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<v Speaker 1>There are only two teams in the top twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>that have at least seven players averaging seven points per game.

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona's one of them. Michigan State University is the other.

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<v Speaker 1>One of their assistant coaches, Saudi Washington, should be a

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<v Speaker 1>head coach somewhere in this country, but we're glad that

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<v Speaker 1>he's in the state of Michigan. His daughter's very talented gymnast,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's with us here on Exis and bros. On

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<v Speaker 1>this Friday morning. Sadi, my friend, how are you good

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<v Speaker 1>morning sheep? How are you, my man? I'm doing great, buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to hear your voice. I'm so happy for

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<v Speaker 1>your success. It doesn't surprise me, but really happy. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is your team so good? Do you think this year?

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<v Speaker 1>What makes them tick?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? I think we have really embraced this

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<v Speaker 2>idea of just trying to be different in today's culture.

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<v Speaker 2>We really have bought into the strength and numbers concept,

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<v Speaker 2>which leads to the the versatility of our team, our

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<v Speaker 2>ability to kind of mix and match our rotation, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>based on what the game needs. And you know, they've

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<v Speaker 2>just done a really good job of just of just

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<v Speaker 2>sacrificing for one another for the bigger calls, which you

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<v Speaker 2>and I both know isn't always the easiest thing to

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<v Speaker 2>do to convince a bunch of eighteen to twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>year os to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's also not easy to have them buy in

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<v Speaker 1>on a night to night basis for defense. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>your guys do that. You are I would consider you

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<v Speaker 1>guys an elite defensive team. How are you able to

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<v Speaker 1>get them to care so much on that end of

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<v Speaker 1>the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that starts with the leadership. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's always been a staple of a time as OH

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<v Speaker 2>coach basketball team, toughness, rebounding, defending, and running. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of those non negotiables around here in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of how we prepare, and our guys do a really

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<v Speaker 2>really good job of a really investing time in the preparation,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, that's where it really starts, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Show Saudi Washington, assistant coach, Michigan State University joining is

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<v Speaker 1>here on exis and broths. There's only one team in

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<v Speaker 1>the nation that has ten players averaging fifteen minutes or

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<v Speaker 1>more per game, and that's your team. How challenging is

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<v Speaker 1>that for you to keep eight everybody happy and find

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<v Speaker 1>the rhythm. And you know this because you played at

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<v Speaker 1>the collegiate level. How hard is it to create that

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<v Speaker 1>rhythm for guys if they're not logging the type of

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<v Speaker 1>minutes that many times they were used to before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I think it's one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>we really kind of stumbled upon this past summer when

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<v Speaker 2>we were able to go on our foreign trips over

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<v Speaker 2>to Spain and you know, like the distribution of minutes there,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just trying to get everybody minutes play and find

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<v Speaker 2>the rhythm. And then you know, we kind of discovered like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we got a really talented roster and the

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<v Speaker 2>way that we want to play in terms of applying

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<v Speaker 2>pressure defensively and playing fast offensively, Well, if you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>your job like you're supposed to, you're probably not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to, you know, play extended minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>still be really efficient, you know, on both ends of

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<v Speaker 2>the floor. So you know, it kind of was a

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<v Speaker 2>trial and everything that happened this summer. Then obviously winning helps,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with the buy in a lot quicker, and

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<v Speaker 2>guys are really adjusted, made the right adjustment for themselves

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<v Speaker 2>personally for us to be really effective thus far this season.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such an interesting path you have. And I've said

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<v Speaker 1>this before. I don't say it just because you're the

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<v Speaker 1>on our show right now. You should be a head

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<v Speaker 1>coach somewhere and you will be. But you have learned

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<v Speaker 1>from some of the best coaches I would argue in

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<v Speaker 1>college basketball history. Greg Campy at Oakland, John Beeline at

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan and now Tommy Izzo at Michigan State. What do

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<v Speaker 1>those three men have in common that makes them great coaches?

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<v Speaker 1>And what is perhaps one specific thing you will use

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<v Speaker 1>when you become a head coach from each of those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, and I wouldn't exclude you on

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, I've been really fortunate and spoiled to

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<v Speaker 2>work with some really really good folks, and with each

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<v Speaker 2>one of them thus far, we've had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>success in winning winning championships, and I hope to bring

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<v Speaker 2>that here in East Lansingwood. Coach is though, who I've

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<v Speaker 2>known since I was fourteen fifteen years old. But one

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<v Speaker 2>of the consistent characteristics of the things, and they're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of each individual. You know, Campy, you know, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that allows you know, the players to be their

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<v Speaker 2>authentic self. You know, from an offensive standpoint value shooting,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, similar with Coach b Uh. But in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of like day to day preparation, you know, Coach b

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<v Speaker 2>Coachwan obviously coach is a Hall of fame coach. The

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<v Speaker 2>preparation that goes into building great teams is critical and

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<v Speaker 2>not missing the details on both ends of the floor,

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<v Speaker 2>on and off the court, because there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>carryover in that. And you know what I've learned is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you hold up a high expectation to

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<v Speaker 2>the young man in the States to the accountability part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, if you got the right guys in the

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<v Speaker 2>locker room, some really good things can happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love the tough love coaching the Tomzwell develops

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<v Speaker 1>and has done, and Greg Campy has done it, and

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<v Speaker 1>John Beelin has done it as well. A couple more,

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<v Speaker 1>just real quick, because I know you've got film and

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<v Speaker 1>you've got things that you've got to do. I could

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<v Speaker 1>keep you for a long time. Went on, Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching it on when you call, I bet,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet that never stops. And I hope your family's

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<v Speaker 1>doing well. Not everything is rose even though you got

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one wins and twelve conference wins. Three point shooting

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<v Speaker 1>is a problem for Michigan State, no question, right. I

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<v Speaker 1>would guess that as long as you're taking good shots,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys can live with it. But what's the problem

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<v Speaker 1>with a three point shooting from MSU And how do

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<v Speaker 1>you overcome that when the NCAA tournament comes around?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I would call it. I would reframe

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<v Speaker 2>that and just say it's a work in progress. We

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<v Speaker 2>have capable shooters in that locker room the guys. Is

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<v Speaker 2>not because of a lack of effort, is not because

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<v Speaker 2>of a lack of work. You know, you just we

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<v Speaker 2>just really have to get more consistent in terms of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, getting our legs up into our shot, finding

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<v Speaker 2>the right shots, like you said earlier, because you could

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<v Speaker 2>take a lot of bad shots and that obviously lowers

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<v Speaker 2>the percentages. But you know, within the floor of the offense,

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<v Speaker 2>not press and being confident in the work that you

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<v Speaker 2>put in beforehand and just really stepping in and believing

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<v Speaker 2>in yourself and taking the right shots. Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>come March, you know, come postseason play, that's where it

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<v Speaker 2>really becomes critical in the ability to win games at

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<v Speaker 2>a high level. You know when when everything is on

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<v Speaker 2>the line for one night.

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<v Speaker 1>What will be most important tonight, especially against those two

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding bigs and Danny wilsm flag Olden, who are are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of unique because they're not always back to the

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<v Speaker 1>basket guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I think it's they're a really good team.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, their their staff has done a really good

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<v Speaker 2>job of assembling the right roster, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>offense that they run. You know, we just have to

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<v Speaker 2>play spartan basketball. At the end of the day. We

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<v Speaker 2>have to defend, we have to run, we have to rebound,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, then we go on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to make shots. So I really think it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more about our habits being better than

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<v Speaker 2>their habits over a longer period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to sound too old, but are your

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<v Speaker 1>daughters in college? Are they performing in the gymnastics in college?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, my my daughter Sidney, whose birthday is Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty happy birthday birth she's a gymnast at Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually she actually competes tomorrow at Penn State. And

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<v Speaker 2>then my son Calob who you probably remember, well, that's

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<v Speaker 2>junior in high school and he's a trick. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>track guy. He has a big tru state.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you. I can't believe your daughter is

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<v Speaker 1>in college. I remember, I remember talking with your beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>wife and your kids so long ago. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I had read she's I thought she started a pet.

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<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong there, but she did.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye started that pit?

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<v Speaker 1>She did? Okay, good.

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<v Speaker 2>I was Ohio State last year. Yeah, and she's a

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<v Speaker 2>now wow man.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you and your wife. I mean, your

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<v Speaker 1>wife was such a champion, traveling all over the country

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<v Speaker 1>with the gymnastics, and you were always keeping up with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm glad she's living that dream. It's it's awesome

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you. I'm so happy for you that

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing so well, but even happier for Michigan State

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<v Speaker 1>fans so they get to see you on a regular

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<v Speaker 1>basis do the thing that you do so well. Congratulations,

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<v Speaker 1>good luck tonight, and we hope we can see each

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<v Speaker 1>other soon.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, yep, I appreciate you, brother,