Speaker 1: Welcome friends, podcasts tacky. Now I have to help people
Speaker 1: with my music, like your family.
Speaker 2: No, the guy who brought you Talladega Nights, knock duc
Speaker 2: in super Bad, invite you to meet Dewey Cocks Walk Car.
Speaker 1: It's some devil's music this holiday season.
Speaker 3: There's a rift between the Beatles.
Speaker 1: I've got a song about an octopus.
Speaker 3: I like the other one, walk Hard The Dewey Cox
Speaker 3: story rated R. Welcome to a movie film commentary track.
Speaker 3: My name is Zachie Hassan. And you don't want none
Speaker 3: of this, Brian.
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like I do.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be watching this movie and talking through it.
Speaker 3: You don't want to do this, Brian.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It sounds kind of fun to me.
Speaker 1: Let me in, Let me in. I want to try
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: It's the most fun you can have, Brian. But you
Speaker 3: don't want none of this?
Speaker 1: Are you sure about that? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I'm so excited to do this commentary.
Speaker 1: Need to.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched this in a while, and this was
Speaker 2: really fun to revisit and I was even thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: this is going to be so much fun to talk
Speaker 2: about with Zachi.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: So you know, people often ask like, what are the
Speaker 3: criteria we use to pick the movies that we do
Speaker 3: for our commentaries, And there's a variety of reasons, and occasionally,
Speaker 3: for me, there's a little bit of like, here's something
Speaker 3: that's like really special to me, and I'm hoping the
Speaker 3: rest of the world will appreciate it because I like
Speaker 3: it too.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm.
Speaker 2: This is definitely one of those movies because as I
Speaker 2: was looking back, and I remember this when it came out,
Speaker 2: but it didn't do very well.
Speaker 1: Nope, and this is a total.
Speaker 2: Cult film and I think with good reason, which we
Speaker 2: can get into, but I think for those same reasons,
Speaker 2: that's why the people who this is made for will
Speaker 2: adore it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd like to believe that there is a
Speaker 3: sizeable overlap, you know that Venn diagram of people who
Speaker 3: would like this movie and people who listen to the
Speaker 3: movie Film podcast. Totally totally, So you know, hey, this
Speaker 3: is walk Hard, the Dewey Cox story, and it's been
Speaker 3: in the back of my mind. I'm one of these days,
Speaker 3: right And then of course as we are recording this,
Speaker 3: we're in the lead up to the release of the
Speaker 3: music bio pick Michael about Michael Jackson, And so as
Speaker 3: soon as I heard that movie is coming, I was like, well,
Speaker 3: we'll it pass the Dewey Cox test.
Speaker 2: Which we tend to do with pretty much every musical
Speaker 2: bio pick these days, right, And it.
Speaker 1: Feels like many people do that, and even I.
Speaker 2: See in reviews or listen to podcast reviews, and Walk
Speaker 2: Hard does come up as some sort of measuring stick,
Speaker 2: you know, like.
Speaker 1: Oh, did it do this trope? Did it do that trope?
Speaker 2: It falls into the walk Hard trap, and it feels
Speaker 2: like then biopicks were trying to like subvert it a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, you had that Bruce Springsteen one that came out.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, no, this isn't like he stops and
Speaker 2: thinks about his whole life and then we you know,
Speaker 2: go through all the beats like this is just a
Speaker 2: moment in Bruce Springsteen's life.
Speaker 1: It felt like they were trying to do.
Speaker 3: That deliberately, trying to avoid the Dewey Cos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's Michael looks like I'm like rubbing my hands together.
Speaker 3: I know, and we don't know as we record this,
Speaker 3: if for all we know, we will be entirely surprised.
Speaker 3: But you know, ultimately all This is to say that
Speaker 3: walk Hard is one of the most pointed and I
Speaker 3: would say reverential looks at the solid tropes that undergird music,
Speaker 3: biopicks and it, and it pokes fun at them, but
Speaker 3: you know, affectionately, I agree totally. You know, so well,
Speaker 3: we're watching walk Hard from two thousand and seven. If
Speaker 3: you want to watch along with us, you certainly can
Speaker 3: do that. If you don't have the movie available, which
Speaker 3: as we said, I don't think we'd be surprised by
Speaker 3: because it didn't do particularly well. That's okay. Hopefully we
Speaker 3: keep the conversation interesting enough.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Actually I thought I saw there's an extended version that
Speaker 2: is two hours long.
Speaker 1: This version is about ninety minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just out of curiosity because I do like
Speaker 2: this movie. I was like, oh, you know, I would
Speaker 2: love to see the bonus scenes and maybe it'll be
Speaker 2: like a five dollars Blu ray or something, you know,
Speaker 2: but no, it's like eighty dollars. Like I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is out of print at least on physical media,
Speaker 2: so I know you can stream it so well, not only.
Speaker 3: Can you stream it as of today as we're recording,
Speaker 3: you can see the entire movie on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Oh like YouTube YouTube.
Speaker 3: On YouTube by somebody that ain't Columbia.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, right, And I only.
Speaker 3: Bring that up as to say, like that, that's a
Speaker 3: measure of how not successful the movie was.
Speaker 1: Columbia either doesn't know or doesn't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how sad, because this feels like a real passion project.
Speaker 3: It, you know, it certainly does. I mean, whenever you
Speaker 3: hear the various people involved, be it Jake kas and directed,
Speaker 3: certainly John c Riley who stars in it, who is
Speaker 3: Dewey Cox, and all the other folks involved. I mean,
Speaker 3: and I mean we'll talk about this in the movie,
Speaker 3: but I mean it is a murderer's row of just
Speaker 3: hey that person, Oh look at that, and not even
Speaker 3: hey that guy. I mean like well known people right right,
Speaker 3: who just pop up just just to hang out and
Speaker 3: have fun.
Speaker 1: Yep, So let's watch this, Brian, Let's do it. Let's
Speaker 1: do let's do it.
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Speaker 1: Butting into the flow.
Speaker 3: All right, so we'll do the usual thing. We'll hit
Speaker 3: play on three one two three plate. Ready, Ready, here
Speaker 3: we go, one two three plate.
Speaker 2: Maybe because this is a musical, you should have been
Speaker 2: like and a one and a two two.
Speaker 3: Shay, or I should have just started and you'd be like, Zachy,
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know when you're starting.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, just watch, And what I have to ask,
Speaker 2: when was the last time you watched Walk the Line,
Speaker 2: which I think is one of the bigger inspirations for
Speaker 2: the outline of this movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, this will Walk the Line and Ray most obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because those had come out just a couple of
Speaker 2: years before this one.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, Walk the Line well and Ray, both
Speaker 3: of them I saw when they came out. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't see either of them in the theater. I
Speaker 3: saw them on home video, but it was you know,
Speaker 3: so it's been about twenty years.
Speaker 2: Same same and I know this opening is a lot
Speaker 2: like the opening of Walk the Line, where you have
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash at fulsome prison and he's about to go
Speaker 2: on and play for the prisoners, and they're like Johnny
Speaker 2: kind of a thing, and you know, you're ready to
Speaker 2: go on, and he's got you know, his hand on
Speaker 2: a wall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm it'sac it's I mean, it looks like an
Speaker 3: album cover for like several Johnny Cash albums exactly. And
Speaker 3: then Matt Faxon, by the way, who's searching for Dewey Cox.
Speaker 3: He you know, I had a chance to interview him.
Speaker 3: He wrote and directed the Way way Back.
Speaker 2: Oh, I knew I recognized him, but I didn't know why.
Speaker 3: He goes Dewey Cox thinking about his life. Now, now
Speaker 3: I will assume you did not see this in the theater.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: No, No, I was all over this. I oh, you
Speaker 2: did see in the I was very excited for this movie.
Speaker 3: So you see you beat me to it definitely, because
Speaker 3: I didn't see this until it probably was on cable, you.
Speaker 1: Know what it was.
Speaker 2: Actually I was working at a studio at the time
Speaker 2: and this was during award season, So this was December
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, and we were getting all sorts
Speaker 2: of screeners and I was very excited for this movie.
Speaker 2: And I remember when the screener came in for this,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, let me grab it, and I
Speaker 2: want and I took it home and watched it and
Speaker 2: then I loved it. And then I saw something else
Speaker 2: in the theater the same month, and I remember when
Speaker 2: that was over, I walked over to walk Hard and
Speaker 2: watched it again, really because I wanted to see it
Speaker 2: on the big screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's I mean, it is very much your sense
Speaker 3: of humor.
Speaker 2: Definitely, And I love how into the nuts and bolts
Speaker 2: of music history. It goes right like it is. It's
Speaker 2: having fun with it. But I mean we get into
Speaker 2: like the Brian Wilson smile sessions.
Speaker 1: Right in this movie, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, And and if I may, I mean another
Speaker 3: movie that you have long champion is called Fear of
Speaker 3: a Black Hat. Yes, yes, And and that I mean
Speaker 3: is different from this but similar in that it's a
Speaker 3: very specific kind of parody, right yep. And and I
Speaker 3: know for a long time you've been a big fan
Speaker 3: of that one.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's like all of it, right, it's
Speaker 2: spinal tap, it's the Naked Gun, it is just music,
Speaker 2: you know, music history, it's it's all of it, and
Speaker 2: it's Jutt Appatow. He was this was his moment, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, this year we had forty year old Virgin
Speaker 2: already Freaks and Geeks and all those things that were
Speaker 2: sort of cult hits. But forty year old Virgin he
Speaker 2: had his real breakout. Super I'm sorry knocked Up and
Speaker 2: super Bad also came out this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was on fire, yep.
Speaker 2: And and I loved what he was doing, so I
Speaker 2: was excited also that this was a jet Appatow joint.
Speaker 3: Generally, you don't expect to laugh hysterically when a little
Speaker 3: boy has been chopped in half with the machete, and
Speaker 3: yet here we are.
Speaker 2: But I love the like, matter of fact, do we
Speaker 2: I'm cutting half pretty bad? I don't know that I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make it. And that's the thing, right, This is
Speaker 2: the kind of dialogue you hear in these sorts of things.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like usually someone coughing into their hand
Speaker 2: and there's blood and they're like, you know, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be okay, Like I don't know, man, looks pretty bad.
Speaker 1: You know here, I've been cutting half pretty bad.
Speaker 3: Well, I love this here. The doctor's like, we're not
Speaker 3: gonna be able to sew the top half to the
Speaker 3: bottom half, and.
Speaker 1: That's you know what this does that thing that I love.
Speaker 2: Also, where it's not shot like a comedy right right,
Speaker 2: it looks this is gorgeous. This may as well be
Speaker 2: Walk the Line, like the lighting and the cinematography and everything,
Speaker 2: you know it's And that to me makes the joke
Speaker 2: ten times funnier because they're acting like they're in that movie,
Speaker 2: but they're saying ridiculous things or they're talking about ridiculous things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then this comes from Walk the Line.
Speaker 1: You know, the wrong kid died Yep. She becomes this
Speaker 1: guy's mantra through the whole movie. That's so funny.
Speaker 2: I also love how Kristen Wigg has the you know
Speaker 2: you're never gonna make it, You're never gonna make it,
Speaker 2: and then when she's on the phone, lay're like, okay, Bud,
Speaker 2: you're never gonna make it.
Speaker 3: I love how Margot Martindale's just playing it completely straight.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she's so perfect.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking, man, this really moves so quickly,
Speaker 2: like I was admiring the the script, you know, or
Speaker 2: maybe I should say the editing that because I'm sure
Speaker 2: we know there's a two hour cut, but just you know,
Speaker 2: the flashback, the brother dies every but he's upset.
Speaker 1: Now go to the store, you know, and so then.
Speaker 2: He goes and meets these uh, these blues musicians, and
Speaker 2: then he plays the guitar and sings the blues for
Speaker 2: the first time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just it's so fast, and like any great comedy,
Speaker 2: every scene has at least multiple things that you laugh
Speaker 2: at in it, right, you know, well.
Speaker 3: I I think that that's you know, you were talking
Speaker 3: about Apatow, and you know, I think Apatow at his
Speaker 3: best benefits from from strong editing.
Speaker 1: Yoh, totally right.
Speaker 3: Because because you know you're talking. I mean, I haven't
Speaker 3: seen the extended version fully, but I did see the
Speaker 3: extended version of certain clips. I saw specifically the Beatles scene.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, okay, And and it's like amusing. I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's it's it's not funny, but it's
Speaker 3: Jack Black and Paul Rudd and and you know, Jason
Speaker 3: Schwartzman and and Justin Long. Just I mean, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of them riffing, right, and it is like like
Speaker 3: but on its own it's fun, right, but it would
Speaker 3: just kill the momentum cold in the movie, right, right,
Speaker 3: So it's like you got to know when to let
Speaker 3: some of the stuff go, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it seems like he was doing that less
Speaker 2: and less, that's right, as he went on.
Speaker 3: That's exactly it, yeah, right, because.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Knocked Up in forty old version
Speaker 2: are a bit long for comedies, but I think they
Speaker 2: sustain well. But then his movie's just got like funny
Speaker 2: People is like two and a half hours long, exactly,
Speaker 2: you know, and when you watch it, it does feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of it does feel like outtakes, you know,
Speaker 2: like just stuff he was in love with that he
Speaker 2: couldn't let go of.
Speaker 1: That is slowing the movie down.
Speaker 3: Right, This is so funny here, right, we got John
Speaker 3: c Riley as fourteen year old Dewey Cox, and damned
Speaker 3: if you don't believe he's fourteen years old.
Speaker 2: He is incredible in this movie, right, I mean, because
Speaker 2: he's doing so much, he's like he's he's he's so
Speaker 2: good in comedies because he has this kind of I
Speaker 2: don't know, like dopiness, a little bit in his voice
Speaker 2: that he can like play with and accentuate, you know,
Speaker 2: for comedic purposes. But before this he was mostly known
Speaker 2: for serious movies, right like Paul Thomas Anderson movies, The Hours,
Speaker 2: Gangs of New York, Boogie Knights, Boogie.
Speaker 1: Knights of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so then it feels like this was a
Speaker 2: real sort of breakout moment for him to show like
Speaker 2: a whole new you know, tool in his toolbox that
Speaker 2: he had. And then he does Step Brothers the next year,
Speaker 2: and he I think people probably think of him as
Speaker 2: a comedian now.
Speaker 3: More of a more of a comedy or a or
Speaker 3: animated guy, because he's a you know, he's a recket.
Speaker 3: What's l reckett?
Speaker 1: Ralph? Yeah, what did that guy say? I love that,
Speaker 1: the talent show guy.
Speaker 2: He says some joke like ladies and germs kind of thing,
Speaker 2: and then everyone like laughs a little louder than they shed.
Speaker 1: He us, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: Those are the jokes I love, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: just weird little stories in this universe, Like that's the
Speaker 2: funny guy that everybody thinks it's funny at school.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, the.
Speaker 3: Wrong kid time God damn it just apropos of nothing
Speaker 3: quite dear.
Speaker 2: And this is hilarious because this is what happens in
Speaker 2: these movies, right, you know, Elvis goes Actually this does
Speaker 2: happen in Elvis the baz Lerman one, which came out
Speaker 2: years later. But he sings a song and women just
Speaker 2: can't help it, sort of like oh, like something's moving
Speaker 2: and stirring inside of them, you know, like a like
Speaker 2: a sexual awakening. But he's singing the most chase song
Speaker 2: in the world about holding hands, but women are like
Speaker 2: ripping their dresses open, and you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 2: People punching ministers.
Speaker 3: Rance Howard as the priest.
Speaker 1: Wait, w was he?
Speaker 3: That's Ron Howard's dad.
Speaker 1: Oh guy, k oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Then Kristin Wig, I mean this is like her SNL
Speaker 2: moment right where she's like a superstar in SNL. I
Speaker 2: mean before Bridesmaids and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she had she was in Uh she's a knocked up.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, she's an executive at E Channel.
Speaker 3: That's right, So she she kind of she was already
Speaker 3: in the Apatow Orbit, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I had read somewhere where Yeah, she
Speaker 2: really popped in that moment, and this is like what
Speaker 2: Jed Apatow does. He finds these interesting people who have
Speaker 2: not found a vehicle yet, and he creates vehicles for them, right,
Speaker 2: which is you know, he was doing it more in
Speaker 2: this era, but it was it was kind.
Speaker 3: Of great perfect. You know, Ricky Bobby was just a
Speaker 3: year before this.
Speaker 1: Oh that was for this okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can imagine that's what That's what laid
Speaker 3: the track for John c Riley doing this the other
Speaker 3: you know, we were talking about Riley and and I
Speaker 3: think what what makes his performance work? I was thinking
Speaker 3: about as I rewatched it. I was like, the songs
Speaker 3: are good, like they're all they're all like earworms, right, And.
Speaker 2: That's that's the trick really exactly, because it's not like
Speaker 2: they have funny lyrics, right, Like occasionally they do like
Speaker 2: something that's like a little off kilter or something, but
Speaker 2: they're so perfect, like they're not like just an Elvis
Speaker 2: song or like, oh, this is a fifties rock and
Speaker 2: roll song. Like at one point he is doing like
Speaker 2: the operatic rock of Roy Orbison specifically, you know, and
Speaker 2: like this very very specific like era of Bob Dylan,
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, yeah, it's it's brilliant and almost
Speaker 2: like if you don't have that awareness, you might not
Speaker 2: find it as funny, which is why I think this
Speaker 2: movie really resonates with certain people and other people you know,
Speaker 2: just I don't know, can't get into it as much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this sequence here, it's inspired by, Uh, there's
Speaker 3: a there's an Elvis movie called called King Creole okay,
Speaker 3: and it's basically the same idea. You have a you know,
Speaker 3: a black band and you know the lead singers and available,
Speaker 3: so like, well what about you you sing? And he's like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, and he starts doing his Elvis thing. But
Speaker 3: obviously it's made so much funnier by everything, you know,
Speaker 3: like poor Craig Robinson. You feel bad for him, the
Speaker 3: mistrain for him, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually I did think about that in this when
Speaker 2: I was watching this, like, oh man, that could have
Speaker 2: been his This could have been his movie. And that's
Speaker 2: what's funny too, is I like that it is riffing
Speaker 2: on so many familiar stories and movies and whatever, but
Speaker 2: it is enough of its own thing. You know that
Speaker 2: by the end, when Cox does have his song that
Speaker 2: sums up his entire life, I weirdly like feel something right,
Speaker 2: Like it is enough of its own story as much
Speaker 2: as it's leaning on other things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I I think when when you look at like
Speaker 3: the the ePK material and you know, the interviews and
Speaker 3: things that the filmmakers and cast made that they gave
Speaker 3: when the movie came out, you know, they're they're jokingly
Speaker 3: but very seriously, like, you know, our goal is to
Speaker 3: win Oscars, you know, And it's like that they're treating
Speaker 3: this like it's an Oscar bait movie, right, right, And
Speaker 3: I think that's what makes it hilarious. But it really it,
Speaker 3: you know, it's what I realize about this type of humor,
Speaker 3: and and I think it helps that like you and
Speaker 3: I have very similar like we have a sense of
Speaker 3: what we each find funny, right, But I have to
Speaker 3: remind myself, oh, not everybody finds that type of stuff funny.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah for sure, right.
Speaker 3: And so it's like for the inside group, it's just like,
Speaker 3: oh man, this is it's you know, you're you're you're
Speaker 3: experiencing genius as it's happening.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 3: But again, if you're part of the outside group, it's
Speaker 3: like this is nothing, None of this makes sense.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's that's why I think it's but
Speaker 2: I just have to call it this whole thing where
Speaker 2: he's like, you know, I got to follow my dreams.
Speaker 2: She's like, what about my dreams. He's like, I told you,
Speaker 2: I can't build you a candy house. It won't work,
Speaker 2: It'll melt. She's like, what if it never rains?
Speaker 1: You know, It's like all of it. This thing is,
Speaker 1: it covers all of it.
Speaker 2: It's got the stupid humor, it's got the incisive humor,
Speaker 2: it's got the wit, it's got the parody.
Speaker 3: Well this right here, right the the horriest of tropes,
Speaker 3: which is they the star of the music bio somehow
Speaker 3: stumbles upon their most important hit.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, like all those trip walk Hard Hard you know,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But like I mean, just going back to the audience,
Speaker 2: you know, I was curious. I looked, I want to
Speaker 2: see what critics thought, and it's like seventy five percent
Speaker 2: for critics and fifty seven percent for audience. Interesting, okay,
Speaker 2: And so I saw and just then I looked this
Speaker 2: on Rott Tomatoes and I looked into the audience and
Speaker 2: the two top comments literally side by side on the
Speaker 2: page is this is what passes for comedy and awesome movie,
Speaker 2: one of the best I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Brilliant, which you know said enough said.
Speaker 1: I mean this is kind of what we're saying.
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense because this is so niche
Speaker 2: and it nails its subject matter in a very precise way.
Speaker 2: Like like that it doesn't just go broad and become
Speaker 2: like a rock and roll comedy, right, It digs in
Speaker 2: and gets hyper specific, right, you know, which isn't going
Speaker 2: going to appeal to everyone, but for the people you
Speaker 2: know that this connects with, this becomes an instant classic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, it's you know when we look at our comedic influences, right,
Speaker 3: I mean it's you know, we often point to Conan,
Speaker 3: you know, who himself would point to Monty Python and
Speaker 3: and you know, and you can connect the dots from
Speaker 3: from Conan to here, right, and and I think for again,
Speaker 3: for the things that you and I laugh at, it's
Speaker 3: part of it's part of that continuum, right. And it's
Speaker 3: you know, it's like like Conan has I mean, he
Speaker 3: has many bits, but he has this one which I'm
Speaker 3: sure you've seen where it's from Wait, like season one,
Speaker 3: maybe the first few months of his show where he
Speaker 3: has Scarlett Johansson.
Speaker 1: She's a little kid, yeah yeah, yeah, yes, yes, right.
Speaker 3: And she plays a spelling be champion who keeps misspelling
Speaker 3: words and nobody is willing to call her on it, yes, which,
Speaker 3: like to me, that's just like that is hilarious, so funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, the whole bit everything and the execution, you know.
Speaker 3: And yet I've shown that to people who are like,
Speaker 3: I don't what's the joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Chase Conan is pretending, yeah, it's it's pretending
Speaker 2: like it's an interview, and he is just going with it,
Speaker 2: like playing himself, going with it as if this was
Speaker 2: a real interview and this kid isn't spelling words correctly,
Speaker 2: who's supposed to be a spelling bee champion. But then
Speaker 2: Andy is like, well, you know, I mean I hate
Speaker 2: to be you know it, but that actually is incorrect
Speaker 2: and you can tell like the audience is uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Yep, you know, like and that's that's the joke. That's
Speaker 1: the joke exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: This is by the way, mister Lahai, mister Mazeltov, right,
Speaker 3: the Jewish music executives. Yeah, yeah, literally looks like rabbis
Speaker 3: Harold Ramis ri ip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of a kind, such a unique.
Speaker 2: Warmth seriously, yeah, yeah, dude, and John Michael Higgins in
Speaker 2: this one scene just crushes.
Speaker 3: Stopped at this instant. You have failed conclusively. I quote
Speaker 3: this so much. You've ruined my faith in the Jewish people. Well, sir,
Speaker 3: I'd like to restore your faith in Judaism. Yeah, what
Speaker 3: makes this so funny? So this is this is pretty
Speaker 3: clearly I mean this is like directly parodying Walk Hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or Walk the Line. Yeah, excuse me walk yeah,
Speaker 1: walk the Line. Uh, the way it's shot everything right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But what I love is like how it compresses the
Speaker 3: time frame where like it becomes a hit while he's recording.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, the DJ is playing it on the radio.
Speaker 2: He's like, wow, this was recorded thirty five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: I love, but this is I mean, this is kind
Speaker 2: of what Walk the Line does. It's like, this is
Speaker 2: your last shot. Like what you've done so far isn't working. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I need you to play something that is you
Speaker 2: from your heart. But like this just takes it and
Speaker 2: dials it up to eleven. You know, it's comedically and
Speaker 2: then it's funny because he turns to the band and
Speaker 2: it's just like, all right, well, I've never met these
Speaker 2: people before in my life, but just follow me. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, they know the song and
Speaker 2: they know how to sing back up for it, and
Speaker 2: you know it's.
Speaker 1: Let me give you fifteen more seconds. His voice is
Speaker 1: so good. I was lucky enough to meet him when
Speaker 1: I worked on for Your Consideration. Oh yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: you did, mommy. Yeah, he's part of that Christopher guest troop.
Speaker 1: He's so funny.
Speaker 3: First time I saw him was as David Letterman. Oh
Speaker 3: in the late Shift to that HBO movie. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that I connected that that was him.
Speaker 3: He was a pretty good Letterman.
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, that's a good movie. I think it is.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see like this right here, walk I love this
Speaker 3: look he shoots movie. He knows immediately, like literally, he's
Speaker 3: just like walk hard. And then he's like, people are
Speaker 3: running up. But here's the thing. Walk Hard is a
Speaker 3: banger of a song.
Speaker 1: That's that's the real trick, right right.
Speaker 2: And And you know it's funny because I still stand
Speaker 2: by I think that thing you do being the most
Speaker 2: amazing achievement in like making up a song for a
Speaker 2: fake band in a movie, because that is supposed to
Speaker 2: be like, these guys come up with a hit that
Speaker 2: is undeniable that we're gonna play ten times in this
Speaker 2: movie and you will never get tired of it. And
Speaker 2: I think it's a miracle that song. And then you
Speaker 2: really do have to put this movie really really close
Speaker 2: because it comes up with so many songs that are
Speaker 2: supposed to represent so many different eras of music so specifically,
Speaker 2: and they're funny in the way they're.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Real quick, so we just saw Jack McBrayer as the DJ. Yeah, right, right, right,
Speaker 3: so we got we got to wreck at Ralph and
Speaker 3: fix it Felix.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good god. Well this is so like.
Speaker 2: You know, you're saying, there's so many people in this
Speaker 2: and especially of this moment, right, I mean you have
Speaker 2: so many people from the office, yeah, which I think
Speaker 2: started two years before this and Appatao gang people form
Speaker 2: freaks and geeks just populating this movie.
Speaker 1: Sorry you were saying about the song.
Speaker 2: No, but I mean I think that's the real trick,
Speaker 2: is like the songs aren't like weird al you know,
Speaker 2: trying to be like like it's not the song isn't
Speaker 2: a gag, right, you know what I mean? They're actually
Speaker 2: like really well done, and how well done they are
Speaker 2: is kind of the joke. Yeah right, you know when
Speaker 2: I loved this too, just the way that this has
Speaker 2: played this giraffe in his kitchen. He's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I said sure, but I just want the giraffe.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he's a beautiful creature, you know, like just
Speaker 2: so casual. But I wanted to call out a lot
Speaker 2: of songwriters participated, but primarily these songs were written by
Speaker 2: a guy named Dan Byrne and Mike Viola, and Mike
Speaker 2: Viola produced That Thing You.
Speaker 1: Do, which was written by the late great Adam Schleisinger.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and.
Speaker 2: Viola is produced and written stuff for like Panic at
Speaker 2: the Disco and Mandy Moore, Jenny Lewis and Dan Byrne.
Speaker 2: He's a singer songwriter, you know, I'm looking him up.
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with him, but I saw he was.
Speaker 2: He's been compared to Bob Dylan and Woody Guthrie and
Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen and like those are the people you want,
Speaker 2: almost right, not comed.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly, No, that's true. This right here realka, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna miss some birth are you some Christmas? I'm gonna
Speaker 3: miss some births? Period, Dewey, You're never gonna follow up
Speaker 3: on your dreams.
Speaker 1: He's got all these babies, you know. It's funny too.
Speaker 2: Is like one of the things we sort of criticized
Speaker 2: from this era or something that came out of this era,
Speaker 2: was a lot of improvisation and a lot of it
Speaker 2: kept in that maybe maybe it was fun on the day,
Speaker 2: but if they had a little more discipline, they could
Speaker 2: have cut it out because it's not really it's kind
Speaker 2: of slowing the movie down. I feel like that moment
Speaker 2: about the crow, you know, like I'll get you a crow,
Speaker 2: a talking crow, that feels like the only thing in
Speaker 2: this movie to me that he just kind of made
Speaker 2: up on the spot, and they're like, yeah, that's funny,
Speaker 2: let's just run with that. Everything else does feel pretty intentional,
Speaker 2: and it's a great observation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Frankie Munis as Buddy Holly, that's such a great idea,
Speaker 3: pretty good casting, and I love all they always have
Speaker 3: to be like.
Speaker 1: Look man, it's me Buddy Holly. Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do that, especially during the Beatles scene.
Speaker 2: Right right, what's that guy's name? I can't believe I'm
Speaker 2: blinking on it, Ed Helms, Ed Helms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Andy Dwyer yep.
Speaker 1: And Jack White is Elvis Jack.
Speaker 3: That's good casting.
Speaker 1: That's a really funny idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I love it because it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: an impersonator, right, you know, it's just kind of its
Speaker 2: own thing, but also kind of fun because you're like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Jack White.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't recognize him because I'm not used to
Speaker 3: him with his hair not down, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: But what I love is that his elvis It's like
Speaker 3: it's like barely elvis. You know, it's like an imitation
Speaker 3: of an imitation of imitation, you know, right right, That's
Speaker 3: what makes it funny to me. Yeah, And I should say,
Speaker 3: by the way, Ed Helms was, of course Andy Bernard,
Speaker 3: not Andy Dwyer. Andy Dwyer was Chris Pratt on Parks
Speaker 3: and rec and it was good catch. I know people
Speaker 3: are gonna jump on my ass about that.
Speaker 2: People are slowly backing away from their laptops like all right.
Speaker 3: You son of a bitch.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like we're talking about I mean, you got
Speaker 3: to shoot it like a real movie, you know. I
Speaker 3: think I think what you're saying about, like the comedies
Speaker 3: of that period, there's like a roughly five year window
Speaker 3: from like two thousand and six to twenty eleven where
Speaker 3: there was a lot of what you're talking about where
Speaker 3: it's just like point the camera at the funny people
Speaker 3: and let them be funny. And I think that's only
Speaker 3: part of the trick, yep, because you got yes, you
Speaker 3: got to capture it, but then you got to prune.
Speaker 1: It definitely, and you need the people who have the ability.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look more often than not. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: Jed Appatow is going to assemble a cast that has
Speaker 3: the goods.
Speaker 2: With Apatow, but there was a lot of imitators. I
Speaker 2: think that kind of cruche. That's a good point, and
Speaker 2: it just it was occasionally painful.
Speaker 3: It's weird because I mean there was this surplus during
Speaker 3: that that window, right, and it it feels like brieg
Speaker 3: screen comedies just in general have kind of dwindled, right hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, I theatrically, I don't I the
Speaker 2: last thing I'm probably wrong, but the last thing that
Speaker 2: comes to mind is that Jennifer Lawrence movie. You know
Speaker 2: that felt like something like a throwback, like kind of
Speaker 2: a oh the the like a rated comedy.
Speaker 1: Yes, what was it called No Hard Feelings?
Speaker 3: No Hard Feelings?
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was I liked? That was funny.
Speaker 3: I never saw it.
Speaker 1: I don't I think it did.
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. This is this is my favorite
Speaker 3: runner through the whole movie.
Speaker 1: You don't want none of this. We're smoking reefer.
Speaker 3: So this is this is a reference to Ray right,
Speaker 3: which is a similar thing where that's how he ends
Speaker 3: up addicted to the hard stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: See we're talking about like you know how how trophy
Speaker 3: this movie. It's parroting all these tropes that people knew, right,
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, why does Hollywood keep doing that?
Speaker 1: Well? Because it works? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, Like say what you will about about the artistic
Speaker 3: merit of these, you know, jukebox musicals, right, these these
Speaker 3: jukebox biopics, I mean, people show up totally.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like we talk about this with sports films,
Speaker 2: you know, like underdog sports films. It's like we I
Speaker 2: could tell you how it's going to end before I
Speaker 2: even the movie starts, right. But I love the experience
Speaker 2: of it. I like the root thing, rooting for the
Speaker 2: athlete or the team or whoever, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Like I mean, I mean Ray and walk the
Speaker 3: line obviously, but like you know Bohemian Rhapsody, that's a.
Speaker 1: Big one, right oh yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: A Rocketman, you know, the Bob Dylan one to some extent.
Speaker 3: I like that one, right shoot, No, what is that called?
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I just call it the Bob Dylan movie.
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny?
Speaker 2: There's certain titles that just don't stick. Although I know
Speaker 2: I know what I'm gonna see it.
Speaker 1: Let's see Shelly movie. A complete unknown of course part
Speaker 1: of the lyrics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Tim Meadows like he is just one of
Speaker 2: those guys since SNL all the way.
Speaker 1: Through to today.
Speaker 2: He is just solid, always delivers, always like I love
Speaker 2: seeing him whenever he pops up, Like I would really
Speaker 2: love for him to find something that is, like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, just perfect for him, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So on SNL, you know when he was on it
Speaker 3: for a minute there, he had the rec for being
Speaker 3: like the longest lived, longest lasting cast member on that show.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I think Keenan has lapped him several times
Speaker 3: over that point. Yes, But my point is like keenan
Speaker 3: and and Tim Meadows, right, they they work for the
Speaker 3: same reason. They're not showy, right They they are more
Speaker 3: often than not the straight man, and they're able to
Speaker 3: pull that off with the plumb right Yep, Yep. He
Speaker 3: does very similar here, right, Like he he knows how
Speaker 3: to how to just kind of add that extra sparkle
Speaker 3: to a scene. H he Actually he was just on
Speaker 3: a show that just got canceled. It was on CBS.
Speaker 3: It was very funny. It was called DMV.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about that. I guess that's why
Speaker 2: I was feeling, like, man, what is he going to
Speaker 2: get his thing?
Speaker 3: I know. I mean, in all fairness, that show should
Speaker 3: have run and run. Really it absolutely should have. I
Speaker 3: don't know why CBS canceled it, but but it's a
Speaker 3: damn shame. I love this Just people walking around with
Speaker 3: their wings hanging out.
Speaker 2: It's almost hard to have like a straight conversation with
Speaker 2: like I like his dad just like what the But yeah,
Speaker 2: but like you said, he just adds sparkle to it.
Speaker 2: I mean later in the movie when they're old men. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think he like opens like a his you know,
Speaker 2: door to his trailer or whatever it is. It's just
Speaker 2: him with this like white hair in the sides of
Speaker 2: his head and he just has this smile just like
Speaker 2: you know, like it's it's wordless, but it like pops
Speaker 2: because it's Tim Meadows. And then of course in that
Speaker 2: scene with the joint, you know, and he's like, the
Speaker 2: way you could give someone else those lines and it
Speaker 2: like would be kind of funny, but him being like,
Speaker 2: it's not habit forming.
Speaker 3: Dude, the way the way to his mom dies do
Speaker 3: his music kills again?
Speaker 1: She lost her bounds and the radio crushed her head.
Speaker 3: Now, now we were talking about Tim Meadows, you know,
Speaker 3: you talk in terms of what he was able to
Speaker 3: do on SNL. You know, one of the sketches, there's
Speaker 3: so many, but one of the sketches that I remember
Speaker 3: is a Jingleheimer junction.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: And the whole premise is you've got various characters with
Speaker 3: letters on there. It's like a kid's show, like on
Speaker 3: PBS or something. Yeah, and you've got like you for
Speaker 3: unity and for niceness, you know whatever. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: see for caring, you know. And then and then Will
Speaker 3: Ferrell shows up as the new guy and he's f
Speaker 3: for friendly, so it's f U c K.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: That's the joke is is Tim Meadows is the host
Speaker 3: of the show and he's trying to prevent them from
Speaker 3: lining up in that order.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to spell it the word.
Speaker 3: And it only works because you need an opposite energy
Speaker 3: from Will Ferrell right right, and it's comedy gold.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. If people haven't seen it, look at us.
Speaker 2: I've seen it multiple times. It comes up on my Instagram. Actually,
Speaker 2: oh really occasionally. Yeah, I love this now he's done
Speaker 2: cocaine and he invents punk music.
Speaker 1: That was the thing too.
Speaker 2: I looked up that they learned how to play their instruments,
Speaker 2: and that's I mean, you can tell, you know, in
Speaker 2: a movie like this, I think that's important. It's always
Speaker 2: distracting when you see people I don't know hitting symbols
Speaker 2: when they don't line up for me, it is at
Speaker 2: least do.
Speaker 1: You clock that stuff occasionally?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess in a movie that's about music, right,
Speaker 2: you're seeing it more.
Speaker 1: And then what's the guy Parnell?
Speaker 2: Right, Chris Parnell, Yeah, Chris Parnell, Yeah, the bassist. He's
Speaker 2: another one of those guys. It's just like he's I
Speaker 2: feel like underappreciated.
Speaker 3: I kind of loved that he narrated the Lorne Michael's documentary.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh that's right.
Speaker 3: I mean because he has such a distinct voice. I
Speaker 3: just I know Chris Parnell's voice.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And so as soon as that movie says, we start
Speaker 3: hearing a narration, and reflexively I was like, does this
Speaker 3: movie need narration? And then I hear Chris Parnell. I'm like, oh, well, yes,
Speaker 3: because it's Chris Parnell doing it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 2: He has like he can do announcer voice. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: he has like a slight I mean, how would you
Speaker 2: describe it, like something that undercuts it its seriousness a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just a little hint of sarcasm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sarcasm or smart or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, smart, maybe that's the better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so good at that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love him in hot Rod and I
Speaker 2: thought it was he does a similar sort of role
Speaker 2: in this to Anchorman, where it's like he looks up
Speaker 2: to the big boss man, gets betrayed by them and
Speaker 2: is deeply hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays that really well. Jennif Fisher.
Speaker 3: So, Jennif Fisher so yeah, the Office had just started
Speaker 3: the year prior.
Speaker 1: Right, maybe two year I think two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: Was it, oh five mm hmm. Yeah, she's terrificing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking this, you know, she's very good
Speaker 2: in this. But then I don't know, like she wasn't
Speaker 2: in a ton of movies. I don't I can think
Speaker 2: of well, I think.
Speaker 3: The problem there is that, like Pam is such a
Speaker 3: singular kind of character, like it's easy to see getting
Speaker 3: boxed in by that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's good, you know, kind of the I
Speaker 2: guess the Reese Witherspoon character, right, that's right, Yeah, sort
Speaker 2: of like the virginal type.
Speaker 1: But temptation for him.
Speaker 3: This song though, where yeah, yeah, I'm gonna beat off
Speaker 3: my demons.
Speaker 1: I was like, in my dreams, I'm blowing you kiss.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know it's funny.
Speaker 2: I noticed by the way too, I think, yeah, here
Speaker 2: where she's like sawing, and I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: just funny. Like them like one day they were building furniture.
Speaker 2: But then later in the movie when he gets mad,
Speaker 2: there's a joke of him trying to saw like a
Speaker 2: couch and half. I was like, oh, these guys really
Speaker 2: think sawing is funny.
Speaker 1: That's always like.
Speaker 2: Kind of a funny thing in comedic montages like a
Speaker 2: dating montage or whatever, like the stuff they come up
Speaker 2: with the characters to do, Like it makes me think
Speaker 2: of the Naked gun right where they're on the beach
Speaker 2: holding hands running, but then they like closeline those people
Speaker 2: and the hot dog vendor and squirting stuff all over
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 3: Catch right, like like hot shots right with yes, you
Speaker 3: know similar, it's but it's interesting because because it's it's
Speaker 3: different montage like there there's there's it's different types of humor,
Speaker 3: like this is not airplane type humor, not in the
Speaker 3: same way.
Speaker 2: No, not in the same way, right, but it's like
Speaker 2: in its DNA right, you know, that's what I love
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: It's like a combination of all the stuff we like. Right,
Speaker 1: Look how beautifully lit it is. That's what I love.
Speaker 3: Like, Oh yeah, it's a very CPIA toned you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was going to bring up Jake Kasden because
Speaker 2: he's pretty interesting his career, right, I mean he then
Speaker 2: he start now he did Zero Effect, which I've not seen, right,
Speaker 2: but then he worked with Appatoe with Freaks and Geeks.
Speaker 1: Then undeclared.
Speaker 3: Then he did the Jumanji movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then he has yeah, you know, Walk Hard,
Speaker 2: Bad Teacher, New Girl, and then we get to these
Speaker 2: big blockbuster Jumanji films, right, so very career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm glad. And what's funny is if
Speaker 3: when you hear him in interviews, like he sounds just
Speaker 3: like his dad. Oh really, oh yeah, oh funny, very
Speaker 3: very similar. But I mean I'm glad that, like he
Speaker 3: is talented, right, I mean obviously there's there's the knock
Speaker 3: on NEPO babies. Sure, but you look at like a
Speaker 3: Jason Reightman or a Jake kast and and you're like,
Speaker 3: well they got the goods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it happens. This is a good song too.
Speaker 2: This one's like really a beat.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like I had the soundtrack like it was
Speaker 2: something during Award season. You know, you'd get all these
Speaker 2: screeners and sometimes they used to give you the soundtracks
Speaker 2: like they'd be in Variety Magazine, the disc and I
Speaker 2: kind of remember like having this at my desk for
Speaker 2: some reason, and I'd put it in my car and
Speaker 2: I'd listen to it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I have the album in my library. I listened
Speaker 3: to it all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like good, good song, catchy songs. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's you know when you think about it, right, it's
Speaker 3: like it's like the songs in South Park, Bigger, Longer, uncut, hmmm, right,
Speaker 3: Like they're good songs. What would Brian Boitano do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one slaps totally does. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, it's that same thing, like the songs have to
Speaker 3: be good, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, you know I was curious, Well I should say
Speaker 2: one more stat I had here was they wrote a
Speaker 2: one hundred songs, wow, and they recorded fifty. So that's
Speaker 2: so going back to what we were saying, you know,
Speaker 2: where this movie didn't land and the people who were
Speaker 2: involved I think were kind of like, ugh, like kind
Speaker 2: of crushed. I mean, you can tell this there was
Speaker 2: so much passion put into this, right, I mean I
Speaker 2: think about this sometimes with this is so random, but
Speaker 2: with Star Wars, where when that movie is being made,
Speaker 2: George Lucas probably thought, if I live by the time
Speaker 2: this is finished making this movie and it comes out
Speaker 2: and anyone sees.
Speaker 1: It, that'll be a success. Right.
Speaker 2: You know, his crew thought this movie was going to
Speaker 2: be terrible, and they weren't supporting him, and of course
Speaker 2: it becomes what it becomes, and there's just been a
Speaker 2: never ending supply of behind the scenes photographs and footage
Speaker 2: and whatever. And I'm like, wow, how did they know
Speaker 2: to even do all that if it wasn't even being
Speaker 2: taken seriously when it was being made. So I think
Speaker 2: about all the movies that don't live on, right, and
Speaker 2: how much they must have believed in it and probably
Speaker 2: shot this stuff because they're like, well, the fans are
Speaker 2: gonna want to see this and go behind the scenes
Speaker 2: with us, right, you know, but it just wasn't meant
Speaker 2: to be. And so I think of this movie where
Speaker 2: it's like, man, they made so many songs, that put
Speaker 2: all this effort into it, and it's just too bad
Speaker 2: that it didn't.
Speaker 1: It died on the vine. It died on the vine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the passion is you can just feel it well, And.
Speaker 3: You know, I think this is similar in many ways
Speaker 3: to Office Space, which is another comedy that was ahead
Speaker 3: of its time. Right, the audience eventually found it. It
Speaker 3: died in ignominious death at the box office, right, but
Speaker 3: people came around, right, and yeah, yeah, And you know
Speaker 3: this is something John c Riley has talked about where
Speaker 3: it's like, well, given the choice between like a massive
Speaker 3: box office hit and a beloved cult hit, you know,
Speaker 3: if you can only pick one, you know, it's not
Speaker 3: so bad to be a beloved cult hit where the
Speaker 3: people who love it really love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, they probably had to make a
Speaker 2: lot of hard decisions and fight a lot of battles
Speaker 2: as they were making them to make them as specific
Speaker 2: and you know, the voice of Office Space is so
Speaker 2: Mike Judge and this is so whatever, this is right.
Speaker 2: And maybe when it came out and it didn't do well,
Speaker 2: they might have thought, oh man, maybe we should have
Speaker 2: made this a broader comedy, and yeah, it would have
Speaker 2: brought more people in. But I think you know, time
Speaker 2: proves that they were right, and the right people, you know,
Speaker 2: to enjoy this kind of thing get.
Speaker 1: To enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Well, that that's the thing, right, Like, because it's it's like,
Speaker 3: how many forgettable like mid Level you know, Jason Biggs
Speaker 3: or Dane Cook comedies came out in the nineties and oughts,
Speaker 3: you know, right, just just Walmart Bargain Bin movies right
Speaker 3: that sucked and are forgotten right, right, And and you
Speaker 3: have to imagine for many of them. I'm not discounting
Speaker 3: the level of passion that went into them, but I'm
Speaker 3: also fairly certain that there was a lot of studio
Speaker 3: mandated compromises that went in. It's like you end up
Speaker 3: with neither fish nor foul, right, you know? That was
Speaker 3: so funny. She's like, don't you write a song right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fine, I'm guilty. Guilty is charged.
Speaker 3: To where he starts yelling at the kids, I don't
Speaker 3: need you. I don't need you.
Speaker 2: Oh I guess yeah, he's got a chimp or whatever,
Speaker 2: which is like Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: So the bit here is that he went ahead and
Speaker 3: got married, not realizing that you're not allowed to marry
Speaker 3: somebody while you're already married.
Speaker 1: Right. It's very funny, I know.
Speaker 2: But it's just in his perfect sort of dopey voice
Speaker 2: where he like doesn't know any better. He's like, I
Speaker 2: did it, you know, wait until we were married, did it?
Speaker 1: Right? Can't be married to two people? That's not a
Speaker 1: bad title. But please don't leave me.
Speaker 2: I had forgot about his sink ripping. Yeah thing, the monkey.
Speaker 2: You don't want no part of this shit.
Speaker 3: He's like, the know, logical next step for you, right,
Speaker 3: I think I think what you were saying earlier about
Speaker 3: how like like people try to break out of the
Speaker 3: box of music biopicks or just buy a picks in
Speaker 3: general and do something little different, and and those movies
Speaker 3: have have variable levels of success, you know. I think
Speaker 3: that speaks to like people know what they want, even
Speaker 3: if it's utterly predictable totally.
Speaker 2: I mean, with the upcoming Michael movie, which we haven't
Speaker 2: seen yet, I could probably outline it for you right now,
Speaker 2: but like I I want to see that, right, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, certain things I just I do
Speaker 2: want to see dramatized, you know. Yeah, so you know
Speaker 2: you just have to pick your case pack with your cases.
Speaker 3: What you realize is the majority of these films are
Speaker 3: produced with the ascent of the families and or the
Speaker 3: rights whole love music, who want to sell some music, right,
Speaker 3: you know? And and so for example Bohemian Rhapsody, how
Speaker 3: many soundtrack albums did that sell?
Speaker 1: Right? Right? Right?
Speaker 3: I mean that's the real measure of success, above and beyond.
Speaker 3: You know, Ronie Malock winning an oscar in the movie Winning,
Speaker 3: you know, like that's all fine, but but this is
Speaker 3: about it's about investing in an annuity that'll that'll pay
Speaker 3: dividends down the line. So so, I mean my point
Speaker 3: is this, like these movies are products to a large extent.
Speaker 3: They vary some I mean some some go through the
Speaker 3: paces with a little bit more skill than others. Sure,
Speaker 3: but you know, my question is how how often are
Speaker 3: they revisited? And does that even matter? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: like like like Ray right, which I thought was a
Speaker 3: good movie. I mean I watched it one time. I
Speaker 3: got it, like I got you know, right right right right,
Speaker 3: Like that's not even a critique of the movie. I
Speaker 3: think it does the job. But like they in general,
Speaker 3: they're not really built for return visits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm realizing that as you say that, because they
Speaker 2: hit similar beats, they're just plugged in different artists and
Speaker 2: other movies.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of an example.
Speaker 2: But like, there'll be a certain there's certain moments that
Speaker 2: I connect with, you know, are something that meant something
Speaker 2: to me or revealed something to me or inspired me,
Speaker 2: and that's why I go back to.
Speaker 1: Those certain movies.
Speaker 2: But those movies don't necessarily do that because they are
Speaker 2: a little bit of.
Speaker 1: A mad libs satisfying mad libs.
Speaker 2: But they don't have things that are maybe very unique,
Speaker 2: that really connect with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again like Bohemian Rhapsody. How many times
Speaker 3: have you seen that since the theater?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, just the ones? Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 3: I mean I remember leaving the theater downloading the album
Speaker 3: to my phone, you know.
Speaker 2: And then maybe when it's on TV or something, you
Speaker 2: flip and it's you you stop on it because you
Speaker 2: want to hear the.
Speaker 3: Music, that's right, you know, the thing with Bohemian And
Speaker 3: by then I had seen Dewey Cox, yes, yes, and
Speaker 3: so like I couldn't. I like, all I could see
Speaker 3: was was you know that that template?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: This cracks me up. This so first of all, to
Speaker 3: the point you're making, how how effectively stylistically it it
Speaker 3: evokes the same sequence in Ray.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it all comes down to its either got
Speaker 3: too many blankets or not enough blankets?
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, the woman playing this nurse is very funny.
Speaker 2: He needs more blankets, he needs fewer blankets.
Speaker 3: Where Dave is like my wife sends to recards, asshole,
Speaker 3: they don't they don't even like they don't dwell on
Speaker 3: that too long that he keeps cheating with his bandmates, which.
Speaker 2: Comes from I was looking up. I thought of George
Speaker 2: Harrison and Eric Clapton. There was that whole sort of
Speaker 2: weird triangle going on there with their wives and then
Speaker 2: or whatever that was, I don't know what shape. And
Speaker 2: then also wait, I love this by the way. It
Speaker 2: feels like that was like take five and he's like,
Speaker 2: that'd be funny. But Mac Davis, who was a songwriter,
Speaker 2: used to write hits for Glenn Campbell. I guess Davis's
Speaker 2: wife left him for Campbell. Wow, and it became like this.
Speaker 2: It was like a big story. Okay, so you know,
Speaker 2: I mean there are examples of this and that's another
Speaker 2: just riff that they're doing here on Well.
Speaker 3: It's funny because this is something John c Riley has
Speaker 3: talked about where like people in the music industry are like, man,
Speaker 3: walk hard is tame compared to this stuff that actually
Speaker 3: goes on.
Speaker 1: Jeez.
Speaker 3: You know he talked about Glenn Fry being like, oh,
Speaker 3: you didn't see the Eagles and all the stuff that
Speaker 3: was going on you.
Speaker 1: Know at that time, the Eagles of all people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what exactly. That's the first one I was thinking of.
Speaker 1: This is funny. They're sort of.
Speaker 2: Like leaning in and backing away over and over.
Speaker 1: There's her expression. They're so good. No, no, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: This is like literally Jennie Fisher talked about She's like
Speaker 3: she played it like she was trying to win an oscar. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's what makes it funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So she keeps like hitting him in the crotch and
Speaker 3: hitting him in the face with the shoe and stuff.
Speaker 3: People listening like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Now they're basically yeah, yeah, they got this is not
Speaker 2: just a solid gag, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so do we John c Riley pulls his shirt
Speaker 3: off and we have a cutaway to a big, a
Speaker 3: muscle bound.
Speaker 1: Not John c Riley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly, Yeah, like got a six pack, it's oiled up.
Speaker 2: Is this the of a Manson thing? So they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: where's doing He's Oh, he's hanging out on the barn
Speaker 2: with Charlie Manson.
Speaker 1: Nice guy.
Speaker 2: So did you know this whole connection between Charles Manson
Speaker 2: and the Beach Boys. No, So that's what this is
Speaker 2: riffing on basically, And I've kind of, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: reading off of like some website or something. But in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, the Beach Boys drummer Dennis Wilson, he
Speaker 2: became friends with Charles Manson, Okay, and so then he
Speaker 2: started letting like the Manson people live at his home.
Speaker 2: But they like destroyed the place, brought in all these
Speaker 2: drugs cost him like a ton of money. But as
Speaker 2: he let those people into the Beach Boys circle, they
Speaker 2: actually recorded a song that Manson wrote called Cease to Exist,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, and then later they retitled it
Speaker 2: never Learn Not to Love and release it in sixty
Speaker 2: eight as a as a I guess a B side
Speaker 2: or something. So that's like a weird sort of dark
Speaker 2: footnote in the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1: Hilly Yeah.
Speaker 2: I only learned about that a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, Manson, I mean he wanted to be
Speaker 2: a musician. Yeah, so he warmed his way into at
Speaker 2: least one band.
Speaker 3: Now. What's also funny is that it's nineteen sixty six right.
Speaker 1: Right now in the movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in this point, Yeah, it's sixty I think it's
Speaker 3: sixty six, Yeah it is. And Dewey Dewey is thirty,
Speaker 3: like right right right, and yet he's done all this
Speaker 3: living right right right, the rehab and you name it.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: I like that he goes through all these it's like
Speaker 2: spinal tap right where they started as sort of like
Speaker 2: a flower Power type of band before they eventually got
Speaker 2: to heavy metal. And I like that he goes through
Speaker 2: all these different genres, like this is hysterical, this is
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan.
Speaker 1: The whole Bob Dylan thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just the way his posture and the way
Speaker 2: that it looks like it's on grainy black and white.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. That's that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, it has to incredibly evoke what it's what
Speaker 3: it's satirizing, mm hmm. But it has to be funny
Speaker 3: even if you don't know specifically what it satirized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right right.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit like like Simpson's gags, which we
Speaker 3: talk about all the time, right where it's like later on,
Speaker 3: like maybe a decade later, you'll you'll get the reference.
Speaker 3: But the joke was funny anyway, totally.
Speaker 2: I saw a thing on Instagram that was trying to
Speaker 2: demonstrate that, and they were showing, you know how the
Speaker 2: mister Plow episode is based on the movie Sorcerer, which
Speaker 2: I didn't even know existed to like you know, like
Speaker 2: twenty ten or something.
Speaker 1: And they showed like side by side.
Speaker 2: They literally copy moments from that movie, but they don't
Speaker 2: need you to know that movie, right, Like they're making
Speaker 2: funny moments like the plow dangling off the cliff and
Speaker 2: Homer being able to get it to stop dangling by
Speaker 2: turning the radio knob a certain way.
Speaker 1: That's just funny. But then when you learn.
Speaker 2: What Sorcerer is, you're like, oh, and there's another layer
Speaker 2: to it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Early Simpsons was really good at that m right. This,
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the like I don't want to
Speaker 3: pylon modern day Simpsons, but like, you know, just recently
Speaker 3: they did they did a bit where Santa's little helper
Speaker 3: gets sick, so they take him to the vet, and
Speaker 3: the vet is basically the Pit from from the Pit, right,
Speaker 3: so you got you know, Catherine Lanassa and Noah Wiley
Speaker 3: and Taylor Dard and playing their characters, and it's like,
Speaker 3: it's like funny if you've seen the Pit, it's funny, right,
Speaker 3: But I had that thought watching it. I was like,
Speaker 3: in ten years, this isn't gonna play the same way.
Speaker 1: Mmmm. Because the joke is that it's.
Speaker 3: The pit right right now, right, and there used to
Speaker 3: be a little more layers to the humor.
Speaker 1: Well it should. I mean this scene with the Beatles, yep.
Speaker 2: You know, anyone who hasn't watched this movie, you can
Speaker 2: at least look this scene up on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Walk hard the Beatles. Yep. It's just so funny.
Speaker 2: And this is such inspired casting, isn't it Just as
Speaker 2: long as George Harrison. I mean he could like really
Speaker 2: play him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jack Black is Paul McCartney.
Speaker 3: That's pretty brilliant.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, yeah.
Speaker 2: And they're all doing I mean, his is probably the
Speaker 2: weakest impersonation, but like it's it's right for this movie.
Speaker 1: But for this movie it works. Yeah. Yeah. But Paul
Speaker 1: Rudd is like kind of doing a funny John Lennon voice. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know, great rec.
Speaker 3: You know, apropos of Paul Rudd. I was reading a
Speaker 3: thing about how when Steve Corell was shooting a forty
Speaker 3: year old virgin, he was, you know, in the process
Speaker 3: of auditioning for the Office, and Paul Rudd was like, dude,
Speaker 3: don't don't do that. You're just going to ruin your career.
Speaker 3: No one will be able to look past the original show, right,
Speaker 3: and you talk about like the benefit of hindsight, Like,
Speaker 3: let's be real, the original show has become somewhat of
Speaker 3: a footnote to American Office.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I mean that those things exactly you'd
Speaker 2: never know you just don't know, you know.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine if like and and the thing about
Speaker 3: that is who but Steve Corell could have could have
Speaker 3: been in that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, and he's what Yeah, without him, maybe it
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been that right exactly. He elevated it. I mean,
Speaker 2: they all did all. They're all it's perfect casting that show.
Speaker 3: It should not have worked because because certainly I remember
Speaker 3: when it started and it was like, oh, America, they're
Speaker 3: just gonna ruin it, you know, and for once America
Speaker 3: didn't ruin something. Everybody we did not ruin the Office.
Speaker 2: By the way, I love the Maharishi where he's like,
Speaker 2: Beatles stop fighting here in India.
Speaker 3: This scene made me think of the you know, at
Speaker 3: this moment, upcoming four movie Beatles franchise that we have
Speaker 3: coming right, which one movie each devoted to the respective
Speaker 3: band members, which, man, I I have no idea how
Speaker 3: that's gonna work.
Speaker 1: Same but I would love for it to succeed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the same year, right, Yeah, I think weeks apart.
Speaker 1: That is just wild.
Speaker 3: It's a big swing.
Speaker 2: But if they're good, I mean, if they if they land,
Speaker 2: you know, word here do we like?
Speaker 3: What order are they coming out in?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know, right, because I'm.
Speaker 3: Thinking you gotta lead with you gotta lead with your
Speaker 3: your Ringo mmmm, and then build up to your John
Speaker 3: and Paul.
Speaker 2: You know, I almost would think maybe bookend it like
Speaker 2: with John and Paul, and you get Ringo as the
Speaker 2: one that's like number three, and it surprises everyone. It
Speaker 2: becomes everyone's favorite, you know, because he's so amiable and
Speaker 2: you know, you like spending time with him.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just a guess.
Speaker 2: But by the way, so this riff on Yellow Submarine,
Speaker 2: this sort of psychedelic yeah, sixties animation.
Speaker 3: Have you seen Yellow Submarine?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Oh really, no, have you I have?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I saw I saw it in a film class in
Speaker 3: high school.
Speaker 1: Is it any good?
Speaker 3: It's trippy, man, I mean, this isn't far removed from
Speaker 3: from the way that movie is.
Speaker 2: I'm having I just it doesn't seem like something I
Speaker 2: would really want to see.
Speaker 1: For ninety minutes. Yeah, but I I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: It's he's a good RINGO.
Speaker 3: He's pretty good. Have you seen you've seen the other
Speaker 3: Beatle movies?
Speaker 1: Right, I've seen Hard Days Nights?
Speaker 3: Okay, you haven't seen Help.
Speaker 1: I don't think i've seen Help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've only seen Hard Day's Night. I mean, between
Speaker 3: Yellow Submarine and Hard Day's Night, I prefer Hard Day's Night.
Speaker 3: But O, yeah, they're doing two very different things.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's he's like been solid forever.
Speaker 3: You plug him in, you're gonna get a good performance.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, look at Crumb holds here and then
Speaker 3: you remember him and Oppenheimer just a few years ago.
Speaker 3: M hm, yeah, you talk about a guy who's gone
Speaker 3: from child actor. He had like a penis drawn on
Speaker 3: his face and ten things I hate about you right
Speaker 3: to now he's he's like, hey, Oppenheimer, maybe don't build
Speaker 3: the bomb? You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has like kind of a speech later in
Speaker 2: this movie where I was like, man, he's given a
Speaker 2: really good performance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good actor. I've always liked him. He
Speaker 3: was on that show Numbers. Do you remember I remember it?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it, man, you know, a broken record time,
Speaker 3: just creative, create a creat a procedural with something of
Speaker 3: a quirky premise, sell it to CBS, and just sit
Speaker 3: on the porch sip and mint julips.
Speaker 1: For the rest of you are someday, man, someday.
Speaker 3: It's like, what if we have a math teacher whose
Speaker 3: brother is an FBI agent they solve crimes together.
Speaker 1: Sold dude.
Speaker 2: By the way, this is like, low key, my favorite
Speaker 2: gag in the entire movie, This Brian Wilson era. Yeah, oh, brilliant,
Speaker 2: just so brilliant, like this late well, late sixties moment
Speaker 2: Brian Wilson thing where he was trying to experiment sonically,
Speaker 2: you know, and big wall of sound and so you
Speaker 2: see Dewey he's got like an aboriginal choir and goats
Speaker 2: and people banging large bells and I love I love
Speaker 2: the guitarist where he's like, it sounds like five songs
Speaker 2: on top of each other, and I mean the song
Speaker 2: itself sounds like a Brian Wilson song, like in that
Speaker 2: later kind of crazy chaotic rounding era, the Smile when
Speaker 2: he's trying to do Smile and it just kept going
Speaker 2: and going and was never finished. It's just I mean
Speaker 2: that's the thing, Like I think it is funny on
Speaker 2: the surface, but like knowing what they're doing here and
Speaker 2: how well they're doing it is just so satisfying and delightful.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, it's given I mean, it's kind of what we
Speaker 3: were saying with Simpsons, right, it's given you multiple layers
Speaker 3: to appreciate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the way, we've mentioned the other band members. You know,
Speaker 3: Matt Besser as Dave. He is really funny in this
Speaker 3: as just perpetually exasperated guy.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, his face says it.
Speaker 3: All yep, Chris Barno and he just explodes.
Speaker 1: And I love the Yeah.
Speaker 2: He never once paid for drugs, not once, not once.
Speaker 2: He never once paid for drugs.
Speaker 3: Daves like I have to borrow from the gym to
Speaker 3: pay for my mortgage.
Speaker 2: I love too that he keeps giving him Siamese Glass
Speaker 2: cats his gifts.
Speaker 1: I don't want anymore Siamese Glass cats. Have cats paid
Speaker 1: for drugs? Not once once.
Speaker 3: He slept with me, tookes.
Speaker 1: For ten years. No once. Oh man.
Speaker 2: But see you'll go back to John John c Riley
Speaker 2: like he's doing the comedy so sort of like Leslie Nielsen,
Speaker 2: he knows the right way to sort of well to
Speaker 2: like ring a laugh, but he knows when to be
Speaker 2: completely straight too. And he's performing in this movie. He's
Speaker 2: singing all these songs. I mean, this is a really amazing,
Speaker 2: like underappreciated performance from him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's just an outgrowth of the fact
Speaker 3: that nobody watched this movie when it came out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean even yeah, it's just too bad
Speaker 2: that it's not one of the things I think that
Speaker 2: gets brought up with him a lot, because I think
Speaker 2: this is a real achievement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I remember when it came.
Speaker 3: Out, the Aboriginal singing, oh sorry, let me come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just walking into an argument, just slowly backs away,
Speaker 2: he shuts the doors, just random. When this came out,
Speaker 2: I think the writer's strike was happening, okay, or some
Speaker 2: there's some sort of actor strike or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: I was there was something and they couldn't promote it
Speaker 2: the way that they wanted to, Like, they couldn't go
Speaker 2: on talk shows. Okay, must have been must have been
Speaker 2: a writer strike then, yeah, act actress right, Yeah, writer
Speaker 2: strike was O eight, I believe, Yeah, yeah, or I
Speaker 2: think it might have started to O seven. Maybe it
Speaker 2: was Maybe it was because talk shows couldn't.
Speaker 3: Oh that's going Oh you know that that makes sense? Actually, yeah,
Speaker 3: might have might have that, might that might be it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the way that they tried to be creative and
Speaker 2: promote this was they did a tour Okay, like seven
Speaker 2: or eight stocks across the country.
Speaker 1: We talked about that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah Riley performing as do we cos juey cos I
Speaker 2: really wanted to catch it and I didn't, but I
Speaker 2: think that would have been really fun to see all
Speaker 2: these songs performed live.
Speaker 3: It's interesting how the times have changed, right where the
Speaker 3: notion of oh, we can't go on late night talk
Speaker 3: shows to promote this thing, it's gonna flop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it affects box office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we don't live in that world anymore.
Speaker 1: You know. That is a really good point. It's like
Speaker 1: what viral thing can we get online? Now?
Speaker 3: Basically? I mean that's all people watch, right, Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 3: let's just like eat chicken wings that are getting hot
Speaker 3: and yeah, millions of people will watch it.
Speaker 2: That's really funny because I remember with the fallon his
Speaker 2: thing kind of I don't know if he started it necessarily,
Speaker 2: but it was like the guests came on, but they
Speaker 2: had to play games.
Speaker 1: It'd be like you're.
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise and you're promoting, you know, if you're a
Speaker 2: Mission Impossible or something, but you got to get in
Speaker 2: like an inflatable pool, yeah, you know, and play some
Speaker 2: sort of game where you scored each other with like
Speaker 2: you know, greepe jelly or something like that's going on
Speaker 2: the Tonight show. Now, that's right, And then I mean
Speaker 2: that feels suited for a shorter format where it's like, well,
Speaker 2: skip the talk show, just show the celebrity playing the game,
Speaker 2: and then you get, yeah, the hot ones and things
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Like that's that's how far we've come from the the
Speaker 3: Johnny Carson days, you know, mm hmm, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: We're yeah, we're just be Burt Reynolds and Mark Summer's yeah,
Speaker 2: he duking it out.
Speaker 3: We're gonna play the Smoky in the Bandaid Arcade game here,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, right, right right right As Dom DeLuise is
Speaker 3: like the back just running back and forth.
Speaker 2: That makes me think of like Chris Farley, right, he's
Speaker 2: just like, wheeze, laughing.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: Jonah Hill as grown up Nate hilarious.
Speaker 1: So funny and he's just an asshole. That's yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I've liked Jonah Hill throughout the years.
Speaker 2: He's kind of evolved into different sorts of things, but
Speaker 2: this moment for him, you know, super Bad, this.
Speaker 3: Pre Academy Award nominee Jonah.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it, but like, he just really cracked me up.
Speaker 2: I liked when he was doing this kind of comedy. Well,
Speaker 2: I love the way he says machete too.
Speaker 1: He's like with a machete. I mean this is like
Speaker 1: super Bad era. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same here, right.
Speaker 3: He and he was the babysitter wouldn't at him?
Speaker 1: That was yeah, maybe a couple of years later.
Speaker 3: Right, and then Wolf of Wall Street was a twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, somewhere around maybe fourteen.
Speaker 3: Okay, so what was oh Moneyball that was twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that feels right, right.
Speaker 3: So that's when he starts moving into like dramatic actor mode,
Speaker 3: right right. It's interesting. Yeah, yeah, like he's still I
Speaker 3: mean when he does comed he's still finny. I think
Speaker 3: I think this is the end. He's hilarious. And yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously the Jump Street movies.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those have been on Pluto lately. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: like cycling, and I always stop on them and they
Speaker 2: always crack me up.
Speaker 3: Those I mean the scene in the first one where
Speaker 3: it's they're in Nick Offerman's office and Channing Tatum doesn't
Speaker 3: know the Miranda rights. Yeah right, right right, it's brilliant,
Speaker 3: cracks me up. And then I've said this before so
Speaker 3: many times, but the scene in the second one where
Speaker 3: I iced tea ice cube excuse me, finds out that
Speaker 3: that Jonah Hill slept with his daughter, yes, yeah or
Speaker 3: no chanting, it's Tatum Channing Channing Tatum realizes what Ice
Speaker 3: has figured out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I that's probably the hardest I've ever laughed in my life.
Speaker 3: Like I thought I was gonna pass out from laughing
Speaker 3: so hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this whole Variety show that they do, it's such
Speaker 3: it's such a perfect evocation of what you would see
Speaker 3: in that era, like your Sonny and Cher and you know,
Speaker 3: Flip Wilson and Brady Bunch of Variety show, you know,
Speaker 3: like that that type.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like taking doing covers of songs, beturning them disco.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and doing like comedy skits that aren't particularly funny.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And Johnny Cash did have
Speaker 2: a show kind of like this, the Johnny Cash Show,
Speaker 2: And I think this is a riff on it more broadly,
Speaker 2: you know, like Sonny and Share right like this. I
Speaker 2: love this these graphics, yeah, like the sort of disco starman.
Speaker 1: You know, it's weird.
Speaker 3: Because because it points to a time when TV was
Speaker 3: much more uh uh four quadrant in its approach. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and and as a result, you know, it's weird right
Speaker 3: because we talked, We talk often about how the the
Speaker 3: compartmentalization of TV has taken away the collective experience, right,
Speaker 3: So now there's there aren't these things that everybody grabthers
Speaker 3: a on the TV to watch together. Everybody goes in
Speaker 3: their own direction. Everybody has their own thing that they
Speaker 3: go into their corners, and that's that's bad, right, But
Speaker 3: also in trying to appeal to everybody, you kind of
Speaker 3: appeal to nobody. Hmmm, right, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because I don't I don't know anybody who looks back
Speaker 3: on these shows with like with like, oh, they don't
Speaker 3: make them like this anymore, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like do you see what they were doing here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it was on so they watched.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly right, yep, I think this is what
Speaker 2: I was talking about with Krumholds. By the way, He's
Speaker 2: just so it is great. There's a good performance here.
Speaker 2: So wait, when they were talking about the Incredible Hulk episode,
Speaker 2: was that a real episode?
Speaker 1: Did they actually have the Red Hulk in one of
Speaker 1: them episode? Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's funny is I was like, Brian's
Speaker 3: gonna ask me if that's real?
Speaker 1: EPI Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're my You're my you know go to for
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 3: I got you boo. Jane Lynch, Now this is this
Speaker 3: is while Lee was going on. Was it when was Glee?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: That was somewhere around oh seven or eight, because I
Speaker 2: remember I got to read the script oh of Glee.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, someone gave it to me. He was like,
Speaker 2: this is really good.
Speaker 1: You should read this. And it was before it was made.
Speaker 3: Wow, And you pulled a Paul Rudd. You're like, they
Speaker 3: better not make this show. It's gonna ruin everybody's careers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. It came out two thousand and nine, so
Speaker 1: two years after this.
Speaker 3: Okay. But of course Jane Lynch very well known at
Speaker 3: this time for she was part of the Christopher guest
Speaker 3: posse Right, I was gonna.
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, it was a lot of people that I
Speaker 2: had sort of interacted with, like maybe maybe like a
Speaker 2: year before this.
Speaker 1: Seeing them pop up, and this was kind of fun. Yeah.
Speaker 3: This whole bit is very, very funny, where her reporter
Speaker 3: has done not even the barest amount of research.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, right, right, like every single question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like yeah, asking about his relationship with his parents,
Speaker 2: like well, my mom is dead and.
Speaker 1: I don't talk to my dad. Yeah, but she.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because this is definitely like her lane.
Speaker 2: Oh what she's doing here, the voice, the everything, but
Speaker 2: she's so good at it.
Speaker 3: And she's in the record Ralf movies too.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, playing well kind of contradict myself, playing a
Speaker 2: kind of a very different character and very different Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I do like this thing that she does here,
Speaker 2: you know, this mode. It's very funny, kind of like
Speaker 2: smooth but sarcastic.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: To me, Jane Lynch is never better than when she
Speaker 3: says I believe Richard Kimble is innocent, but if he
Speaker 3: came to me, I would help him.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Doesn't get better than that, I agree, I agree because
Speaker 3: you know what, when she says it, I believe she believes.
Speaker 1: It, and he believes it too. Remember he gives her
Speaker 1: that really warm look.
Speaker 3: That's right. So this is this is playing off in
Speaker 3: in ray where he sees it. I mean, he doesn't
Speaker 3: see his adult brother, but he sees like the ghost
Speaker 3: of his brother.
Speaker 2: You know what's amazing is I was like, has this
Speaker 2: walked the line? Like I don't even remember? Like it's
Speaker 2: because I do remember he has a brother that dies.
Speaker 2: That's where the wrong Kid Died comes from. Is his
Speaker 2: dad actually has played by Robert Patrick, I think and
Speaker 2: walked the line Robert Patrick, Yeah, says I think he
Speaker 2: says like the wrong kid died. And I love that
Speaker 2: they just like keep having the dad repeated over and
Speaker 2: over in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not generally a thing a parent should say
Speaker 3: to a child.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Nah, I'm no expert. Hell, he's singing
Speaker 1: the wrong kid died. He's really good too. I don't
Speaker 1: know this actor's.
Speaker 3: Name, the actor who plays Dewey's dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Raymond J. Berry. Yeah, I've seen him and stuff
Speaker 1: same because then I think of this movie just married
Speaker 1: the ref training Day.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's that might be what I remember him from,
Speaker 3: to be honest, but he's got he's got just an
Speaker 3: armload of credits. My gosh.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one hundred and twenty nine credits on IMDb,
Speaker 2: you know, And it's funny. I I love when a comedy,
Speaker 2: especially like a wackier comedy like this, is trying to
Speaker 2: tell an actual story. And this moment where Dewey apologizes
Speaker 2: to his dad and wants to make amends, it like
Speaker 2: kind of like makes me feel the thing that this
Speaker 2: movie would want me to feel in this moment, like
Speaker 2: it actually kind of works. And then of course they
Speaker 2: you know, you realize that the dad has been training
Speaker 2: with a machete all these years.
Speaker 1: To battle him, to battle him. Yeah, there's only one
Speaker 1: way to settle. I'd forgotten about this.
Speaker 2: Actually, he throws some of a machete you've been practicing.
Speaker 3: But I love that him sawing himself in half is
Speaker 3: what makes him realize he's been wrong this whole time.
Speaker 1: Right, it's a lot easier to do than I realized.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually quite beautiful when you think about.
Speaker 1: It, right, I'm like, I'm just waiting for it to happen.
Speaker 2: Oh No, I love that it's exactly the same. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, seeing the exact same way the legs standing
Speaker 2: standing next to the halved body. Clearly the actor like
Speaker 2: standing half in the ground, right, it's the exact same shot.
Speaker 1: It's very good.
Speaker 3: See all this time. You know, do we just wanted
Speaker 3: forgiveness for cutting his brother in half? I think you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they get their moment.
Speaker 3: And so he's like, I love.
Speaker 1: I love what? Yeah? What one more word? I love this?
Speaker 3: You're a better father, or be a better father than
Speaker 3: I was. Well, shouldn't be that hard?
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you gonna make it? It's the seventies. It
Speaker 2: can attach tops to bottoms to bottoms.
Speaker 1: I love love, you love what? Another sink?
Speaker 3: There goes another sink?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but do we miss it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: This is it demontage right where he's yeah, smashing it.
Speaker 2: And then we get the sawing thing. Oh I love yeah,
Speaker 2: clipping the feather or father flowers.
Speaker 1: His zen garden right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just love it. It's like, you know, what's
Speaker 2: kind of funny saws?
Speaker 3: We need more sawn in this movie. Yeah, this dude,
Speaker 3: the bending the spoons.
Speaker 1: This is funny. And then they do like a little crossfade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, time laps.
Speaker 1: No, he's like tired, but still bending. Each fork must
Speaker 1: be done. This is so funny, and this is so silly.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like the kids that he's not been
Speaker 2: in touch with right now, they're reaching out to him
Speaker 2: and they want to play catch with him.
Speaker 1: And by the way, do you recognize this kid?
Speaker 3: He looks familiar.
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name. You know it. It's the
Speaker 1: kid who Jimmy Olsen in the latest Superman.
Speaker 3: Oh, get out of here, Skyler Gisondo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, that's him. Huh yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, there's something about this kid. He looks
Speaker 2: how funny he resembles somebody and I looked it up
Speaker 2: and it's him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now he's the fokker in law.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. How about that?
Speaker 3: By the way, would you like when that first movie
Speaker 3: came out in two thousand, did you imagine when twenty
Speaker 3: years you'll be watching the fourth one of these?
Speaker 1: You do know?
Speaker 2: And it is the perfect series to do that with generations.
Speaker 2: That's true, and it's it's a it's a conceit that works.
Speaker 1: It's timeless. Yeah, you know, meeting in laws and everything.
Speaker 1: But by the way.
Speaker 2: I love this, but like that the kid isn't catching
Speaker 2: the ball, yeah, because he's never played catch with his
Speaker 2: dad before. It's funny and kind of sad, like it's
Speaker 2: I was thinking, like.
Speaker 1: I love this idea. It's beautiful and funny and heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: it's all of it.
Speaker 3: And then we get a nice little montage with all
Speaker 3: the kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like kind of touching for being such
Speaker 2: a ridiculous story.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what's interesting is we're at the point
Speaker 3: in the film where you know, it's like you have
Speaker 3: to start wrapping things up right, And you can imagine
Speaker 3: the filmmakers having very serious discussions in the planning stages
Speaker 3: of like how do we want to land this plane?
Speaker 3: Like do we want to go heartfelt or do we
Speaker 3: want to go just gonzo? And they found a way
Speaker 3: to kind of like thread the needle between both.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his bus full of children, So this is like
Speaker 2: clearly latter day Johnny Cash that it's shown right.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't remember. That's good dirt.
Speaker 2: That's like such a perfect thing with like him and
Speaker 2: old man makeup, Like what would an old man say
Speaker 2: while he's like showing a kid how to garden.
Speaker 1: He like licks the dirt. He's like, it's good dirt.
Speaker 2: But like, I'm buying this old man performance too, you know,
Speaker 2: like he sells the Yeah, like even though he's done
Speaker 2: a lot of bad things, there's something about seeing someone
Speaker 2: they're older and they've kind of redeemed themselves a little
Speaker 2: bit where you just can't help But like that guy,
Speaker 2: you know, like you feel like a kind of an
Speaker 2: affection for him.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about how, I mean, you can we
Speaker 3: can expand the conversation beyond mere music biopicks to just
Speaker 3: you know, celebrity bios in general, because this is hitting
Speaker 3: those tropes, you know, like, for example, the movie Chaplain
Speaker 3: mm hmm, which you have not I've not seen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that very much follows this trajectory, although it
Speaker 3: is worth watching. I mean I think there's a lot
Speaker 3: in it you'd enjoy. It's great performance by by Robert Downey.
Speaker 1: Worth. A look, okay, I'm sure i'd like it.
Speaker 3: Like history, well, we said to yourself, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how trophy these things are, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, for sure, I think I think you would
Speaker 1: enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, is good older person make up too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like they look like themselves. I'll just you know, more
Speaker 2: naturally aged. It feels like back in the day, they
Speaker 2: went really hard with actors in their old age makeup,
Speaker 2: and then when those people age, they never looked like
Speaker 2: the extreme versions from those films. I feel like they're
Speaker 2: getting better at that. They get a little more subtle
Speaker 2: because people do age a little more subtly.
Speaker 1: Subtly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't look like different people, you know, they
Speaker 2: look like themselves, just with more creases and wrinkles.
Speaker 1: He gets his smell back. That's like a runner I
Speaker 1: forget about.
Speaker 3: It's like doesn't even make sense. I mean, at this point,
Speaker 3: Dewey is only in his.
Speaker 1: Fifty I think he's fifty. Yeah, this is.
Speaker 3: Ninety two, I think, so he'll be like early fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's smelling the horseshit smell that shit.
Speaker 1: Baby. Yeah. I love what she screams.
Speaker 3: That's America. Yeah, there's her oscar clip.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, so now we're in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Yeah, he's seventy something. See, this
Speaker 1: is the thing, right, Like.
Speaker 3: The format of these movies is that you're sort of
Speaker 3: hopscotching over their life, and I think you know you
Speaker 3: mentioned this the Springsteen movie, which I have not seen,
Speaker 3: but say that attempted to be like, well, let's just
Speaker 3: focus in on one specific era, right, which version, which
Speaker 3: approach do you think is more interesting?
Speaker 2: You know what, if I knew more about Bruce Springsteen,
Speaker 2: maybe I would be happy to dig into a moment
Speaker 2: that I'm familiar with, but like, let's really learn what
Speaker 2: that moment was about. But I'm not, and I actually
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind seeing his origin story, right, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't you How do you feel about that that specifically?
Speaker 2: I mean, which version would you prefer about a Springsteen movie?
Speaker 3: Well, I definitely agree with you about Springsteen. I don't
Speaker 3: know enough about Like I know his music quite well,
Speaker 3: but I don't know him enough. I think for me,
Speaker 3: just more broadly, when you have a film that's hopscotching
Speaker 3: over their life, a lot of stuff gets left out,
Speaker 3: Like there's more left to choice in terms of like
Speaker 3: what you what is important enough to put in and
Speaker 3: what you what you leave out? Right, and that that,
Speaker 3: to me, it is is leaving too much to the
Speaker 3: whims of, oh, we got to fit all of this
Speaker 3: into this certain amount of time, right, So just reflexibly
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I think it's more interesting to focus
Speaker 3: in on a specific window and you can really go
Speaker 3: deep into that. Yeah, like the movie Ali is not
Speaker 3: about his whole life, for example, and I think that
Speaker 3: movie works pretty well, you know.
Speaker 2: Totally, or like Steve Jobs, which would be a bitch
Speaker 2: three specific moments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I, as far as I know, Sorkin cited
Speaker 3: this as like I don't want to do that type
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 1: You know. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, I love this concept right where
Speaker 2: he has been out of the game for a while
Speaker 2: and then like a younger agent comes and is like, dude,
Speaker 2: you're like a hit with the kids again because a
Speaker 2: rapper has sampled your song, right, And that reminds me
Speaker 2: of like Kanye when he did gold Digger, which sampled
Speaker 2: Ray Charles's I've Got a Woman you know right, So,
Speaker 2: like I just I thought that was clol is this
Speaker 2: being a story kind of about music through the decades.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a clever way to comment on
Speaker 2: that decade the odds. Yeah, you know what can happen
Speaker 2: with a singer like this where maybe the kids forgot
Speaker 2: about him, but people are sampling him in interesting ways
Speaker 2: and then people are like Oh, my grandpa used to
Speaker 2: listen to him, you know, right.
Speaker 1: He's punched in the mouth, Parnell leaps and hugs him.
Speaker 1: See like, I mean, just this smile. He's just happy
Speaker 1: to have his read.
Speaker 3: Can you blame him?
Speaker 2: He doesn't even open his mouth, but it's just such
Speaker 2: like a sparkling smile.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: See the whole rest of the movie we had, we've
Speaker 3: had actors playing the musicians. But now now that we've
Speaker 3: caught up to the present, here's the real Jewel, the
Speaker 3: real love it.
Speaker 2: Oh, Dackson Brown, Yeah, you're right right right right, like
Speaker 2: not Jack White playing elvis or Yeah. Yeah, And then
Speaker 2: we get Eddie Vedder here in a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's good catch.
Speaker 3: What happened to Jewel?
Speaker 2: Wasn't she on some sort of like American idol type show?
Speaker 1: A minute there? Not long ago?
Speaker 3: That sounds familiar, but that's gonna age me because people
Speaker 3: are gonna be like, yeah, it was eighteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jewel singing show, the sing off?
Speaker 3: What the hell is that?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: She won season six of The Masked Singer. Yeah in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's relatively recently.
Speaker 2: Sing off American Song Contest it's twenty twenty two. I'm
Speaker 2: not singing a year for the sing off though, but anyway,
Speaker 2: she sung in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, still doing stuff.
Speaker 2: To Meadows, still with his drugs, boner pills. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: gives you a boner, dude. I mean this is all
Speaker 2: leading like him when the Temptations, that was really fun.
Speaker 2: I gotta stay away from the Temptations and the like
Speaker 2: the VIAGRAA no, no, it's another Temptation.
Speaker 1: It's like just and then I remember it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is building.
Speaker 2: Toward a hilarious joke, the Temptations. And then you actually
Speaker 2: see the band the Temptations singing in the hallway randomly.
Speaker 1: The Temptations. They're like, what, that's hilarious. I'm glad they
Speaker 1: did that.
Speaker 3: It's such a funny throwaway gag too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think this is another joke, sort of like the
Speaker 2: Brian Wilson smile thing, where this isn't like laugh out
Speaker 2: loud funny. But this is so funny to me at
Speaker 2: how perfect this is with Eddie Vedder, like he's.
Speaker 3: Labeling each of the archetype the musicians represent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like the type of speech that a
Speaker 2: person would give building up to, like an Icon Award,
Speaker 2: and he's like talking about all, yeah, these rock people
Speaker 2: and what figures of the Bible they represent, you know
Speaker 2: if Iggy Pop is Methuselah, and you know, like it's
Speaker 2: just it's so spot on, but it's not laugh out
Speaker 2: loud funny.
Speaker 1: It's just perfect, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Eddie Vetter is perfect too, because he's so
Speaker 2: self serious, right, Like seeing him doing this joke without
Speaker 2: smirking is I don't know, it's very funny.
Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of what we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 3: You have to imagine that the musicians, especially like really
Speaker 3: got this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, kind of like spinal tap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and right.
Speaker 2: It's such a goofy, goofy movie, but there's something kind
Speaker 2: of sweet and moving seeing him.
Speaker 3: And Shamble on stage and yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly because we've spent all this time watching him through
Speaker 1: his life.
Speaker 2: That's it's like the weird, I don't know, amazing thing
Speaker 2: I think they pulled off.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And what a task.
Speaker 2: Like come up with the song that ends the movie
Speaker 2: that's supposed to, you know, be the summation of his
Speaker 2: life and everything that he's learned and have it be
Speaker 2: fun but also actually sincere. And this is actually a
Speaker 2: really beautiful song.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, yeah, it's catchy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'd almost forget you're in a comedy except
Speaker 2: for the stuff that they're showing you round the past,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Well, and the cutaways to the audience too. Wait what
Speaker 1: happens in the audience.
Speaker 3: It's just like the various reactions, reactions the monkey in
Speaker 3: the dress, and right right when I.
Speaker 2: Think if you're not watching along, you're like, you know,
Speaker 2: you know it's a comedy. By the cutaways, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: what do you mean, Give me an example. You're like, well,
Speaker 2: the monkey in the dress, it's funny, Wig and her husband.
Speaker 3: And and you know, the the Jewish executives. We didn't
Speaker 3: mention Martin Starr.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, from Freaks and Geeks and from
Speaker 2: Freaks and Geeks and of course Silicon Valley.
Speaker 3: Yeah uh no. But but the bit coming up where
Speaker 3: crumb Holds has a heart attack, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It such a funny idea.
Speaker 3: So this bit here with the baby coming out in
Speaker 3: this freaking horrific u this monster of a baby. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of these it feels like it's just a
Speaker 3: deleted scenes, right, That's what I.
Speaker 2: Was wondering, Like alternate versions where like Elvis was even
Speaker 2: more aggressive and pulls out a switch blade and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like an opportunity to show all the things they
Speaker 2: could squeeze in.
Speaker 3: That was my thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right here
Speaker 3: how his parents and Nate are force ghosts and then
Speaker 3: we cut to crumb holds and then he's so excited
Speaker 3: to join them as a force ghost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's in the audience watching the show. But
Speaker 2: he has a heart attack and dies.
Speaker 3: Right, so he dies, which is like, that's like funny
Speaker 3: because and then he's looking at me, so he's so excited.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, he's like look at this. This is great.
Speaker 1: Oh man, real quick.
Speaker 2: Just because I wrote them down, I was curious about
Speaker 2: other movies that had been created for films.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a what's that other other music that
Speaker 1: had been created for or songs I should say, okay,
Speaker 1: and uh.
Speaker 2: That thing you do of course, and then spinal tap
Speaker 2: of you know you got flower People's don't hinge all that,
Speaker 2: And then Beck wrote the songs for Scott Pilgrim for
Speaker 2: that band sex Babam, which is great because it doesn't
Speaker 2: really sound like Beck. It sounds like a scrappy garage band.
Speaker 2: It's pretty brilliant the.
Speaker 3: Real quick this scene right here, like, what is this
Speaker 3: where Parnell's getting shot?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you would think it's maybe they were guesting
Speaker 2: on some seventies.
Speaker 1: Cop show or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you don't have that context, so it
Speaker 2: just looks like that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's some fun anyway.
Speaker 1: Sorry, are you well? Yeah? Then sinks now the sinks.
Speaker 3: A lot of sks going down.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm a man of constant sorrow. You know,
Speaker 2: soggy bottom boys, Oh brother.
Speaker 1: Where art thou? Fever Dog? Still Water?
Speaker 2: Almost famous, you know, And I've never seen Josie and
Speaker 2: the Pussycats. That came up on a lot of lists,
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people like that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I need.
Speaker 1: To watch that.
Speaker 3: I've not seen it either.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I thought you said you did.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know a lot of people do. It's become
Speaker 3: quite a cult classic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's by the same folks who made can
Speaker 3: Hardly Wait.
Speaker 1: Oh was it really? Okay, let's check that out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of you were saying, what's the decision do
Speaker 2: you end on a sincere note or a joke.
Speaker 1: Both do.
Speaker 3: He died three minutes after this perform See, this is
Speaker 3: the thing, right, Like, I watched this shortly before I
Speaker 3: saw Bohemian Rhapsody.
Speaker 1: Oh, or I had rewatched it.
Speaker 3: It was recent enough, you know, and and so like
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't take any of Bohemian Rhapsody. Seriously,
Speaker 3: that's hilarious because it's stuck so close to the template.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, you know, yep, Well walk hard, Yeah, how
Speaker 2: about it? Yeah, man, that was really fun to revisit.
Speaker 3: Dude. I think that this is one of those one
Speaker 3: of those films that in a way, it's worked in
Speaker 3: its favor as a movie that that it didn't end
Speaker 3: up performing particularly well because because it sort of exists
Speaker 3: as this thing that people are able to discover on
Speaker 3: their own, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can share it with people, you know, the
Speaker 2: people you know will appreciate it, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's all of you. That's why we wanted.
Speaker 3: To do this, Yeah, I mean seriously, I mean I
Speaker 3: hope that if you have not seen the movie, that
Speaker 3: our enthusiasm is something that maybe compels you to check
Speaker 3: it out, because it absolutely is worth a look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just and and also not one to watch with
Speaker 1: the family. Throw that out there.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of P and I.
Speaker 1: That are yeah, yeah, just pretty much too. Who's like, oh,
Speaker 1: well they said it was fun, I'll rint it for
Speaker 1: the family today.
Speaker 3: This is not one of those seventies variety shows, So no,
Speaker 3: don't don't uh bring in little Jimmy and Debbie Sue to.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Debbie Sue.
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, well this has been a blast, and I
Speaker 2: was glad also that it held up for me, you know,
Speaker 2: I still found it in the same ways.
Speaker 3: That's that's a good point, yeah, because because sometimes I mean,
Speaker 3: we have the we have this conversation where you revisit
Speaker 3: a comedy you laughed uproariously at the nineties thirty years
Speaker 3: later and you're like, Holy mother of God, what kind
Speaker 3: of person was I?
Speaker 2: You know, dude, And there's nothing worse than when you're
Speaker 2: trying to share that with someone.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean, there can certainly be things that haven't aged well,
Speaker 2: but also like maybe it was just I don't know,
Speaker 2: you've changed, Like it seemed funny at the time, but
Speaker 2: it's not that funny now, and it's so painful trying
Speaker 2: to sit through those things where you're like.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't Yeah, we can.
Speaker 3: We don't have to finish this, like the person is
Speaker 3: now judging you, Yeah, right right, in light of what
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Speaker 3: your Dewey cock story. How hard did you walk to
Speaker 3: the to the movie theater? Statistically? Probably not hard at all,
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Speaker 3: And with that on behalf of my partner Brian Hall.
Speaker 3: My name is Zachion. This has been our movie film
Speaker 3: commentary track for walk Hard, the Dewey Cox Story. We'll
Speaker 3: catch you next time. Thanks everybody. Oh I didn't know
Speaker 3: there was a post credits scene here?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love it. It's like the real Dewey cos.
Speaker 3: That's so funny, brilliant.
Speaker 2: It's got like a funny voice that doesn't sound like Riley,
Speaker 2: kind of like Dylan esque.
Speaker 3: Really, I had no idea there was a post credits
Speaker 3: scene that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's just clever.
Speaker 3: It's a very funny bit because you see that in
Speaker 3: those types of movies all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What