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Speaker 1: Well, another weekend has come and gone, and yet again

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we see a fighter with everything set up for them.

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Below it, we are ready to recap the upset of

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Caleb Plant and a lot more off of the PBC

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on Prime Card, plus Beck the Bully is a winner

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on the Golden Boys Show Friday night, and we also

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had results from Guadalajara, including Khalil Coe getting a revenge

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in his rematch with Manuel Guyegus. We're gonna recap all

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of this. We've got some sad news involving a Hall

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of Fame fighter passing away this weekend.

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Speaker 2: That and a lot more.

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Speaker 1: It is the Fight Freaks Unite Recap Podcast. I am

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the somewhat competent host TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Big Dan, Rayphiel. Fight Freaks Unit is the substack?

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Is the newsletter? Be subscribed on both of those? How

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are we feeling? We got to be feeling a lot

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better than Caleb Plant and PBC. I'm just putting that

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out there in the first two minutes of the pod

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after what we saw the other night, But how are

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you as we begin things here off of It's a

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brand new month, the month of June.

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Speaker 3: It is I'm a little I'm a little bummed out

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about McCallum. I gotta be honest. I mean, Mike McCallum

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is passing, you know, kind of out of the blue.

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I mean, you know, even if it wasn't, it still

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would be unfortunate. But when it comes so sudden like that,

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and he was the greatness of this man that cannot

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be understated. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to that in a little bit. Thank

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Speaker 2: That helps out also.

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Speaker 1: All Right, so we get into it in the recap mode,

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as I said, the second straight weekend where we're trying

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to explain how with everything in front of a fighter

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Josh Taylor last week fighting at home in glass Go

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in this case, Caleb Plant in his home away from

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home where he now lives in Las Vegas. Everything set

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up for him, and he's just out fought beaten. Looked

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like a faded fighter in the last two or three

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rounds of the fight with Rezindez. My hand is up.

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I did not see it coming. Your hand is figuratively up.

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We did not see that coming.

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Speaker 3: What happened, Well, nobody saw that coming. That's why it's

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such a big upset. What was he thirty to one underdog?

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Speaker 1: Something like cost market Place had him twenty eight thirty

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to one. Matten, I mean you're getting in Buster Douglas territory.

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a massive, massive underdog.

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Speaker 3: Resendez, you know, all due respect On had no resume

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to speak of, unless you want to count a stoppage

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against the faded junior midleweight champion Jared Hurd. He had

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only had one fight at super midweight against just a

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knockover opponent to sort of get his feet wet, which

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was against a just a nobody a few months ago.

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And now they put it in with kayleb Plan who

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you know, he has suffered a couple of losses, but

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his previous losses were against the best fighters in the business.

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You talk about a fight where he competed with Canelo

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and got stopped in the eleventh round in a fight

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for the undisputed title back in twenty twenty one. And then,

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as we've discussed, he did lose a decision to David Bennevitz,

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where you know he'd get worked over pretty well the

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last few rounds of the fight. But prior to those

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last few rounds, you know, there was competition in that fight.

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This was no walkover for David Bennet. He is certainly

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not in the first half of that bout, and so

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the lost to Resendas is a much bigger shocker because

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you know, he was the underdog in both of those

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other fights and he did end up losing, but again

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they were the top dogs in the division. Armando Rizendez

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is not in that realm, at least not at the

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moment when he fought him. So, yeah, it's a humongous upset.

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So he looked good the first seven rounds four or five.

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Red put it like this after the seventh round, even

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though Resendas had already started to come on when the

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round seven ended. Now they don't know this because obviously

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they're not using open scoring, but Caleb plant led sixty

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seven to sixty six and all three scorecards, and then

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the wheels came off because the eighth through the twelfth,

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two of the judges gave ors in his every single

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round of the fight. Uh, and you know at that

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point he's not gonna win. And if you watch the fight,

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the stalking, all that stuff was taking its toll on Plan,

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who was slowing down in terms of his output. He

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was dramatically out punched over the last few rounds, especially

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in the last two or three rounds of the fight.

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so to speak. He just seemed a little bit tired.

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step behind. Whereas he was a step upfront in the

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first half of the fight. The second half of the

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fight was pretty much all resients us. He had a

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great uh uh, what do you call it? Motivation game plan.

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to Manny Roebliss, his trainer, who's been a guy that

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he's been a steady trainer with a lot of good

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fighters for a long time. He also, Resendez made the

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point leading into the fight and said it again afterwards

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that he was super motivated because he had just announced that,

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you know, his first son was on the way. He

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was going to be born, you know soon, so that

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was a motivating factor. Although you know, Kayleb Plant said

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the same thing in his own fight because his wife

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is pregnant with their second child, the son who's on

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the way. So they both have their motivations. But the

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difference of course, that Kayla Plant has already cashed a

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ten million dollar check for the Canela fight, Armando Rozendez

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has never sniffed, you know, probably in the in the

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mid six figures, much less, you know, that kind of number. Look,

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you know, that's why they fight the fights. You know,

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you can't you can measure a guy's punching power, you

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can look at his record, but you can't measure what

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the guy's got inside or what the opponent has left.

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soldier for a long time, but you know, he seemed

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a little bit not what he's been, you know, and

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he's had. Is that a tough career. He's had a

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tough life. He's had some hard fights and you know

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that's gonna happen. He's not an old fighter, and you know,

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I felt like that he was very honest with everybody

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after the fight, Like you know, he didn't bitch and

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moan about the decision. He said he thought he won

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a close fight. But again, he wasn't complaining. He gave

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respect to Rizendez. He you know, said he was happy

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for him because he knows what it's like when we

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struggle to get to the level and he's got a

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kid on the way, and he never made the big

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money and all that. So you know, I always like

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the wrong way. I've always got along good with them.

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I've always liked the guy. I respect the background that

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he's come from and how he's pulled himself off, you know,

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from the bootstraps as they say, and and made himself

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into something when you know, I've seen a thousand guys

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like him just fall by the wayside, but he he

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got through and he became something. And you know, we'll

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see if he can get get another run going. But

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you know, the the headline that we're bearing the lead here.

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Is that most likely because of that defeat, that Charlotte

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fight that was supposed to happen in the end of

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the year, that's probably ruined at this point because of

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that loss.

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Speaker 1: More on that in a second. Again, credit Resindez with

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the body work. I mean, it was shocking to look

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in the ninth to tenth round and beyond it, how

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red that plants left side of his chest, his rib cage,

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and even his back where Resindez was hitting him in

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the side and the kidneys on how red it was

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in his and his face too. But I mean the

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body work I think had an effect. And I think

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this is very telling, and I said this to you

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seventy two hours ago on what does he have left

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physically and otherwise? Bred Man Edwards in the corner was

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admonishing him, we need these last two rounds, the eleventh

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round and the twelve rounds.

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Speaker 2: He was honest, but I.

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Speaker 1: Mean you could tell he could not put anything together

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at the end of the fight. Didn't have anything left

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at the end of the fight. Again, some of that

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is credit Resindez, but there have to be real questions

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at this point about what he has left if he

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can't beat and I'll be kind, he's a B level

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fighter the guy he's fighting, all right, we'll be kind

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and say he's a B level fighter. If you can't

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on that a second. At this point, he's not an

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after that loss, I can't see that.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. I hate that because that's that's

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a matter of who he fights. Okay, that's a matter

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of who he would be against. If he's fighting, you know,

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a regular guy, he's still going to be the A side.

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But but I don't I never really gave a shit

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about aside B side is who can fight the fight,

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who can win the fight. But you said that that,

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you made the point about how Rizendez was the one

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that was dominating down the stretch of the fight those

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last few rounds, and I was gonna now get to

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the point where I'm gonna have to savagely attack the judge.

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David Sutherland, of course, just agreed with you because the

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judge David Sutherland. He actually had the audacity to score

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rounds ten eleven and twelve each for one uh Caleb Plant,

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which is a is as terrible a scoring as I

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can think of in my entire career of writing about boxing.

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disagree or have you, uh you know, labeled as the

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as the outlier or the controversial or whatever. I don't know.

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than the most past three rounds of the fight. I

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think even if you put Kayleb Plant under tooth certain

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even if he thought the fight was very close, he

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might even tell you I lost the last three rounds

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of the fight. So, David Sutherland, who's had some shaky

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cards in the past, one fifteen to one thirteen for

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Kayleb Plant is an atrocity in a in a in

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a in a sewer of boxing atrocities beyond your normal atrocity. Okay,

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I don't know how much strongly I can.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're going there have been horrific decisions besides this,

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this is not the most horrific decision as to that point.

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Speaker 3: I'll just interject, but It's not about the decision, TJ.

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It's when you when you go below what the actual numbers,

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understand and you see how he derived the one fifteen one,

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I understand that that is absolutely horrendous.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, because first of all, at the end

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of nine rounds, he actually had Resindez winning the fight

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before he did what he did, all right. Second of all,

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if you're watching on the line broadcast and I scan

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back and watched this again, Larry Hazard, who's highly respected,

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who was giving Resindez every round, actually gave Caleb Plant

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the eleventh round, which I thought was surprising and shocking

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that that's that's a bit surprising, And am I not?

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Speaker 2: Am I not quick?

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Speaker 1: In the eleventh round, Resindez outlanded Plant twenty nine to

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eight in punches. I believe that was the eleventh round.

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How do you get how do you give Caleb Plant

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the eleventh round?

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Speaker 3: For that's not even about like, yeah, that's not even

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about copy box. Anybody with a fucking pair of eyes

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a guy outlands somebody three to one, Yeah, in a

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high energy kind of round, it's not that hard to tell.

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one thing if you miss around. We've all been there.

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I'm guilty. We've all been guilty. He missed three in

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a row at the critical stage of the fight, right,

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and he gave it the plan. I mean again, I'm

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gonna say what I say. Basically, it feels like every

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single week there are a range of acceptable scores in

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this fight. I actually thought you would be perfectly within

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reason to have this fight for Rizenda's one seventeen to

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one eleven, nine rounds to three totally legit. One sixteen

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to one twelve, which was eight to four, seemed to

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be the prevailing score. That was how two of the

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judges had it. That's how I had it. I saw

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plenty of scores like that on social media. If you

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want to make it seven to five, I don't like it.

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I can live with it, I see. Frankly, you'd have

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to really really do everything in your power to find

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it to be a draw.

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Speaker 1: To find five, to find five rounds of Taylor plant one,

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I agree much less a draw, much less him win

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with the five round seven.

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Speaker 3: So here's here's the thing. I'm watching the fight and

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they're announcing the scores, and I know who the judges

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are because they've announced it before the fight. So they

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read the the Sutherland card as one fifteen to one

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thirteen in favor of Kayleb Plant. They had read Max

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Lucas card won sixteen to one twelve, where I felt

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like we weren't going to get a ridiculously hurnd this

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decision and it was going to be the right one.

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Is the last card that was read was one sixteen

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one twelve, and that was the card of Steve Weisfeld,

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who I have said numerous times is the best judge

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in boxing today. So when I heard that he was

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the one with sixteen twelve before they said who he

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scored for, in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, at least

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Rezendas is gonna get the decision. And then of course

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Steve Westfeld was dead on the money and he had

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the fight going for Resendas. So that's a career making

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victory for Zendez. It's a debilitating loss for Kayleb Plan,

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who now has fallen to you know what two and

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three in his last five fights. He's got this loss

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and the losses I mentioned before against Canelo and against

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Ben Avidie's. He has won the knockout which was a

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pretty solid knockout, and a good performance against McCombe. He

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had the win before that when he came back off

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the loss Canelo and he knocked out Anthony Durrell. That

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was a big win for him. Terrible, terrible fight, but

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a spectaguon knockout. And uh, you know, Revenda isn't isn't

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a great position now he's he was calling out Charlotte

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after the fight. He was calling out all the big

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daddy's after the fight. We'll see what he does. But uh,

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you know, cayleb Plant, when when we should notice or

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take notice of the fact that he does have the

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right in his contract who he rematched. This was him

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defending the WBA interim title. Whether you like it or not,

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he did have the right to a remat because it

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was not a mandatory bout and so maybe he'll exercise that.

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We'll see. That'll be you know, a conversation that he'll

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have to have with Al Hayman and with the team

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with PBC and Louis de Coubis Junior and with Tom

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Brown and see what he does. But Resendez, I mean,

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he's a Kyle fight anybody you know, and it's uh,

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and he makes a good fight. I mean, how could

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you not be happy for the guy?

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Speaker 2: He was aggressive?

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Speaker 1: But again, uh, you know, it's more about cayleb Plant

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in the aftermath of this.

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Speaker 3: It's also more about David Sutherland in the aftermath of

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this as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, And I will keep saying what I've

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said with you for the better part of two years

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or more until you start suspending or firing guys with

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horrible cards and gals. I mean, you gotta have some accountability.

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You're not gonna work any more big time fights. If

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you keep having horrible cards, You're gonna be gone what.

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Speaker 3: I would like to see happen. And they just don't

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do this. I mean, I've been asked many times why

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why don't the writers ask the judges about their their

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cards or to get an explanation. And I'll say once again,

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I know for a fact, because I have done it,

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that plenty of us have inquired to get their thoughts,

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and the Commission won't allow it. My my my perspective

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is at the very least allow there to be a

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pool reporter, and that means one person to go and

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ask the questions and then report back to the pool

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meeting the rest of the media corps and they share

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the quotes or the comment. But it's very rare, and

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the Commission does everything their power to protect the judges

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and won't every anything bad about it, and uh, and

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look that there's there's no way. And I'm not saying

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David Sutherland's a bad guy. I'm not saying he's corrupt.

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I'm not saying anything other than on Saturday night he

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turned in a fucking shit card uh in favor of

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Caleb Plant that night, and that needs to be explained

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to the public. We deserved it, as fans and consumers

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who spend our time and money to watch the sport

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and to get no explanation. And it's not like baseball football.

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We're at the very least, even if they don't do

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it exactly right away and there's controversy, there are league

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offices that will make rulings and guys will get fined,

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we'll get suspended, We'll have an explanation given to the public,

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and I think the public deserves an explanation of how

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are you as a supposed championship level judge scoring the

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last three rounds of that doubt for Kayla Plant, which

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gives him a victory, which is a joke.

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Speaker 1: All right, you alluded to it, and that is Jamal

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Charlo did his part. I mean, say what you want

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about level of competition again, he got the win, he

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got the knockdowns, he got the TKO.

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Speaker 2: Give me some quick.

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Speaker 1: Analysis of that with Cornflake Lamana and does this nix

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the Kayla Plant loss?

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Speaker 2: After it? Does this nicks Charlo and Plant?

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Speaker 1: Because there's some belief as we do this on Sunday

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night that they may go ahead and fight anyway.

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Speaker 2: What is your thought first on Holo, look go ahead?

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Speaker 3: My thought is that that fight won't have happened because

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I can't imagine that PBC would will it would do

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that match knowing that they were going to make that

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a pay per view. You cannot make this a pay

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per view fight with him coming off such a bad performance.

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And I have faith and trust in people like Al

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Haman and Tom Brown and Louis Dekoubis that know the

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business very well, that they're intelligent people about boxing. Now,

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if this was going to be a live prime card

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or back in the day a live HBO or showtime card. Okay,

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maybe you do it anyway, but to put it on

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as a pay per view and ask the public, you know,

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for seventy five bucks. No, that ain't gonna happen. So

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they can say that, but I mean, you can never

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say never, I guess, but i'd be al.

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Speaker 2: Just want to Jack Leb will keep it real.

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Speaker 1: That was a garbage pay per view main event anyway

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for those two to charge seventy nine ninety five, eighty

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nine to ninety five or whatever they're going to charge.

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Speaker 3: So that's a different matter. But that was still based

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on their on their business model. That fits their bill

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as a pay per view main event. End of story

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about that. But now after what happened, I don't think

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you can possibly do that. I mean, look, Charlotte did

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what he had to do. He didn't I didn't think

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Charlot looked great. But I'll give him. Cut him the

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benefit of the doubt. He is coming off an eighteen

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month layoff. He is fighting for, as I pointed out,

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only for the fourth time this decade, coming off a

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lot of problems in his life, drinking and arrests and

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all kinds of issues and mental health, you name it.

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Glad to see as a human being, He's got his

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life under some kind of order. At this point he

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seemed to reinvigorated, at least from the pepinist step kind

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of view of it, where he was back with Highland

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Williams Senior, his trainer who was him trained him and

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his brother when they were amateurs as well as in

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the earlier parts of their professional career. But again he

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was fighting Thomas Lamana, who, as I said in the

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bleed up to the fight, was made to order. Thomas

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Lamont is not a world class fighter. He's a nice guy,

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but not much of a fighter. Every time he stepped up,

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he's been beaten decisively. This was no different. He got

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knocked down three times. You know, I credit Thomas Lamana's heart.

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You know, I don't care what your skill. He showed

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all the heart and balls in the world. He kept

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getting up fair enough that they did the right thing

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by stopping this fight, because even though there may not

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have been a singular telling punch where he thought he's

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about to get knocked out cold, he didn't need to

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take more punishment. He lost every single second of every

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single round he was bleeding, he was full, and he

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was taking clean punches. He hadn't landed really anything of consequence.

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And so when they called the time out at the

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beginning of the sixth round and the referee looked at

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him and recommended to the referee Mark Nelson to stop

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the fight, which he did. So that's why it goes

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down as a TKO six at one second. But in

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essence this was ended in the fifth round. He got

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knocked down in the third round, in the fourth round,

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in the fifth round, and they were all like, legit,

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clean knockdowns. I mean, this was like you know, a kid,

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you know, picking wings off a fly. There was zero competition.

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This was Charlotte scraping off the rust, getting used to

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the new weight and doing his thing, and then he

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had to sit by and watch his fight go down

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the foot.

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Speaker 1: All right, So stay tuned on what's going to happen

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or not uh with uh with with a Caleb Plant

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fight with Charlo, or who does Charlo fight next? If

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that's not the if that's not the fight for him?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: So also on the undercart of his PBC on Prime,

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Jonil Hernandez victorious and uh jo En le Jo Joen

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Lee my mistake on that and Isaac Lucero. You can

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tell how much attention I paid to either one of

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these fights. Isaac Lucero was a quick knockout winner as well.

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Recap both of those real quick.

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Speaker 3: Well, you should be paying more attention to Jole Hernandez.

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This kid is tremendous. I've watched a few of his

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fights since he's been shown on some of these streams.

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He is a fantastic prospect. He's a Cuban twenty seven

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years old. He's now eight and zero. This was the

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first time against Kien Davis he went the distance. He

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was actually happy about that because he showed himself that

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I can do it and still feels strong and fast

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and not wind it at the end of the fight.

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So it's always good, uh, you know, to do that

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to get that experience so you know that you can

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go to ten rounds. One of the biggest things about

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young fighters where they get worried is when they've never

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been the distance and they're used to getting quick knockouts

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that they're not sure how they're going to react when

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they have to go ten rounds or they have to

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go twelve rounds. The only Hernandez showed he go ten

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rounds against a reputable, legit professional in Kyron Davis and

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not really feel winded. This guy was tremendous upper cuts, combinations,

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very very strong puncher, good output, good engine, good stamina,

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and Kyroon Davis. You know, I'm not saying he's a

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world class guy in the sense he's gonna be a

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world champion, but you know he had to win over Isaac,

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not Isaac against Elijah Garcia. That was the big upset

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that got him into a fight like this. You know,

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he is a you know, he was a United States

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Olympic alternate back you know, a number of years ago.

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You know, he's not like a bum by any means.

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He's a good, solid professional. You know, he did go

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seven rounds even what he got stopped by Devid Benavidez

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back a few years ago. But Hernandez looked like a

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season professional. He is a outstanding prospect, you know what

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I You and I spent a lot of time over

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the last couple of years, has been doing the show,

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and we moment about the terrible uh nature of the

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middleweight division. You and Lee Hernan is about to put

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some excitement back in this weight class because he's a

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real solid, legit guy to keep an eye on. Like

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he's a top prospect right now. He may be you know,

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contender level by the end of this year if he can,

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you know, continue to stay busy. So he looked really,

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really good in this fight. I have nothing but praise

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for his game. Uh and looks strong as a bull.

473
00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,359
And in the other fight you mentioned about Lucero, he

474
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,519
fought his professional debut in the United States and has

475
00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:31,240
been primarily in you know, all of his fights, I

476
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,160
guess since I had been in Mexico until this fight

477
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,160
where he comes back a product, another guy that's been

478
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,039
sort of uncovered and found by Samson Lukawitz, who's one

479
00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:41,720
of the best guys in the business in terms of

480
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,440
finding talent. And you know, he was fighting a fellow

481
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,200
Mexican also undefeated in Omar Vellezuela, and Isaac Lucero looked spectacular.

482
00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:52,319
He scored you know, a couple of knockdowns in the

483
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,279
second round and just beat him up and U and

484
00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:56,599
that was all she wrote. I mean, this was a

485
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,680
very impressive performance. Uh what can you say. I know

486
00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:02,160
this when you see the end of the show, you know,

487
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,279
we know what Plants and Charlote are, and now we

488
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,839
know more about Zendaz. We you know, Lamana is what

489
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,759
he is. But one of the things that I like

490
00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:12,000
when a show like this ends, it makes you want

491
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,079
to see more of you andle Hernandez makes you want

492
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,799
to see more of Isaac Lucero because they are exciting,

493
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,279
they are young, they are guys on the rise. They

494
00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:20,519
are guys for exciting.

495
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: Say a little future, say a little in the future.

496
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,279
Speaker 3: We like that one hundred percent, I mean, and that's

497
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,559
that's uh. You know, Hernandez has been on at least

498
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,599
one of these previous Prime undercards, so it's not the

499
00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:32,960
first time people have been exposed to him. But he

500
00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:35,680
was definitely taking a step up against Davis, and he

501
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,200
didn't let him in the fight. I mean, it was

502
00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:39,920
legit one hundred to eighty nine on all three score cards.

503
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,519
That extra point was because he scored a knockdout in

504
00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:45,039
the second round of the fight. He did everything you

505
00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:47,039
could ask a guy to do other than get the knockout,

506
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,559
and Lucero look great getting a knockout. So two guys

507
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:54,240
emerge from the show with bigger profiles, and I would

508
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,319
imagine more fans if they tuned in to check it out,

509
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because they look really good.

510
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: Continuing in the recap mode, we go back to Friday Night,

511
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,519
the Golden Boy de oone main event in Las Vegas

512
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:08,839
at the Virgin Hotel and Casinos saw Beck the Bully,

513
00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:14,000
Bekimir Makuziev and Melakuzia.

514
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,599
Speaker 2: Melakuziev I think.

515
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: Before our shows, I'm gonna start to give you a

516
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:17,680
tutorial and I.

517
00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:19,319
Speaker 1: Have to get we have to get all the different names.

518
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,440
So Beck the Bully wins in what was a battle

519
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:27,359
over twelve rounds, an entertaining fight, and he gets the decision.

520
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: What does this mean?

521
00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:31,799
Speaker 3: Number one? This was a spectacular action fight. This is

522
00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:33,559
going to be probably on a lot of people's list

523
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,640
at the end of the year. It won't be the

524
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,759
fight of the year, but when people do their top ten,

525
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,519
top twelve fights of the year. At this moment, it's

526
00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:41,599
definitely on that list. This was from the opening bell.

527
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,680
These guys were back and forth trading. I've been hard

528
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,960
on Melakuzia at that times because he's come with so

529
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:50,000
much hype. He's an Olympic silver medalist. He's had a

530
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,119
lot of hype around him, and every time I watch him,

531
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,079
I leave like, I'm just not impressed. I was impressed

532
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,400
because he made a really good fight and he was

533
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,400
able to gut out a really tough fight. I think

534
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,039
the difference between what he did and his opponent did

535
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,720
is that he just had more experience at the higher level,

536
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,839
and Fulgium was a guy that just is still even

537
00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:10,799
though he's a little bit older. He's twenty nine or

538
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,920
twenty eight. I guess twenty eight that he's not doesn't

539
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,920
have that experience level. He was also a good amateur,

540
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,480
but not on the level of the bully, and that

541
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,680
that showed itself. I felt like, but the big the

542
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,319
big thing was you had. Melikuziev got deducted a point

543
00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:30,200
for holding Thomas Taylor. The referee had warned him a

544
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,599
couple of times. He took a point away from him rightly,

545
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,000
so I thought in round number seven, so now he's

546
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,759
maybe slightly desperate. It was a very close, competitive fight,

547
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:39,920
and he broke through. Biggest moment of the fight came

548
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,799
in round number twelve where he scored a legit knockdown,

549
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,759
and that that was a huge moment in that fight,

550
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:49,400
and in the end he wins one fourteen to one

551
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,440
twelve on all three of the scorecards. And it was

552
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,720
a significant fight, not only because it was exciting because

553
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:59,039
he scores a big win and even in the loss

554
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,720
Fulgium to me, to me, he showed a lot. I

555
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,359
don't care that he lost. I want to see him again.

556
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,359
I feel like he can get better. Definitely gonna learn

557
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,039
from a fight like this, but more notably from Melakuzia.

558
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,160
This was officially a WBA title eliminator. Now, whether that

559
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,559
means he's gonna be mandatory for Kenelo Alvarez or the

560
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,240
WBA will do WBA things and make him the mandatory

561
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,240
for the new interim champion, which is a Rizendez. You know,

562
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,200
who knows what they're gonna do. But the main point

563
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,880
is it puts Beck in a position to fight for

564
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,880
a bigger title, to be in a position to be

565
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,559
in a bigger fight. And this was a really good fight.

566
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,119
And I just I watch a fight like this and

567
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,519
I see these guys lay everything on the line. They

568
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:37,119
go out it tooth and nail. They beat the shit

569
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,200
out of each other. They put on a spectacular fight,

570
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,079
you know, just let it all hang out. And if

571
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:45,200
they made for the fight, I don't know. If this

572
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,920
fight combined there was made. If they made three hundred

573
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,079
grand something like that. And then you watch some of

574
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,640
the shows we've seen where the guys are getting paid

575
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,079
crazy millions of dollars and they just sleep through it.

576
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:57,200
This is what do you want to see. This is

577
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,880
what prize fighting is about. This is what real you know.

578
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:02,519
They they showed skills, but they showed toughness and they

579
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,240
went at each other. They put on a show. And

580
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,920
that's to me, that's that's the name of the game.

581
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,720
I'm not suggesting you out there and recklessly, you know,

582
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:12,400
put your life at risk. But these guys, uh, they

583
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,079
thought the way you're supposed to fight, and uh, the

584
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,000
fans loved it. And when and Lewis, I guarantee you

585
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,960
that both these guys created more fans in that sense,

586
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,359
and so they earned every dollar that they were paid.

587
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,920
I mean, to me, it's the kind of fight where

588
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960
you know, you wish there was like a bonus pool

589
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,440
where you know, the guy that wins can get a

590
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,480
little bit of a bonus for it. But this was

591
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:33,880
one hell of a fight, and I would say that anyway,

592
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,160
who didn't watch this one? If you've got a sour

593
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,119
taste in your mouth from some shitty scorecard you may

594
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,400
have seen recently, some terrible fight that you you know,

595
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,359
you see, you slept through because it was so bad,

596
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:44,519
do yourself a favor and.

597
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: Just went on, Yeah, this is a great Friday.

598
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,559
Speaker 1: And again for Beck the bully, off the loss to Risotto,

599
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,279
off the booming punch a couple of years ago, he's

600
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,400
rebounded nicely for whatever the future holds for him. That's

601
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,480
not all on Friday night, as we referenced, Khalil Coe

602
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,759
in a life heavyweight main event from match Room in

603
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:06,240
his own beat Manuel gegos by TKO. They stopped the

604
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:09,839
fight in between rounds. It's officially a t KO six

605
00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:15,440
and also on the undercard, mj Akmadayev is also victorious

606
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,519
the junior featherweight contender. So give me more on those

607
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:20,480
two fights from Friday in the recap mode as well.

608
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: This was like a career salvaging win for Co. Not

609
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,519
to be overly dramatic, but he'd had inconsistencies in previous fights.

610
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:31,039
He'd shown up where he wasn't on weight in other fights.

611
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,319
He had some medical issues that he kind of kept

612
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,079
a secret before the first fight against Gyges that took

613
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,799
place in November. This was the immediate rematch. Now, in

614
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,720
the first fight, which was on one of the Boutennis

615
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,319
undercards in Philadelphia back in November, he got stopped by

616
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,559
Gagos in the ninth round. That was a big offset

617
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,720
and so I give Khalil call credit. You know, he

618
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,839
really didn't have any choice, but he took it, took

619
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,400
the fight, got himself in good shape. I guess was

620
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,240
healthy year than he was before. And not only did

621
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:03,799
he take the rematch, but he agreed to go to

622
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:08,000
Guadalajara in Mexico, UH to fight the Mexican fighting Guadalahara

623
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,680
is not guy who was his hometown. But he's still

624
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:14,160
fighting in Mexico against a Mexican and he delivered. He

625
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,680
looked really good. This is one of his best I

626
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,559
would say this may be his best performance he's had

627
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:19,680
as a professional. He came into the professionals with a

628
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,359
big reputation. A lot of promoters were looking to sign him.

629
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,519
He had a good amateur career. You know, he's got

630
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:26,799
a little bit of a late start as a pro

631
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:29,160
because he had spent some time in jail. But you know,

632
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,119
when you can show and you know you can put

633
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,279
it all together. When when it's all on the line

634
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:35,880
for you and go and put on this type of

635
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,279
performance against the guy that knocked you out in his

636
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,880
home country, you know, that shows you something. There's something

637
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,440
to work with there. So I don't know how far

638
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,599
he's going to go. He's now nine and one with

639
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,160
a draw, and h this was a you know, this

640
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,680
was a big win for I take it back. Now

641
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,880
he's ten in one with the draw, because that was

642
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,240
the tenth win. This is a This is a an

643
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,640
important step for this guy. So he may only have,

644
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,680
you know, a relatively few amount of fights, but not

645
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:07,480
a guy that's going to need to have, you know,

646
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,799
another ten or fifteen fights to get himself in a position.

647
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,079
This guy can fight. To me, it's not about his ability,

648
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,599
it's about his mentality. Does he put in the work,

649
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:16,839
does he come in shape, and does he fight a

650
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,680
smart fight? He did that. He checked all those boxes

651
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,759
in this rematch.

652
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: All right, and then mj Akmadaiev wins also on this

653
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,039
card and the name Noyoya in a way, the monster

654
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:30,640
is looming down the road as well, so give me more.

655
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,519
Speaker 3: Well, this was obviously the last hurdle. If you will

656
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,799
to get to that fight. We all knew that they

657
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,680
had made a deal for in a way in Acadive

658
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,440
to fight. He is the long awaited mandatory. He's the

659
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,200
interim title holder of the WBA, he's a former unified champion,

660
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,400
and I think if you ask most fans that follow

661
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,799
this weight class, they would tell you without a question

662
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,359
that he's the best guy still in the division that

663
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:55,599
in a way hasn't already beaten. And frankly, a lot

664
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,440
of people if you matched Achandive up with some of

665
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,160
the guys that in a way has beaten, they would

666
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,960
favor Akmadhalia against him. This was the fight that's been

667
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,680
long overdue AKA Dive was getting in his so called

668
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,720
tune up fight. Obviously, in a way fought the defense

669
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,960
he had a few weeks ago in Cardenas, that was

670
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,119
in Las Vegas, and so now that he is safely

671
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,799
through this fight, he scores the eighth round knockout against

672
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:21,920
the smaller and slower and less powerful Luis Castillo. They

673
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,000
obviously weren't trying to match him super tough, but we've

674
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,640
seen what happens, you know, you take it tune up.

675
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,440
We saw what happened with Caleb plant right, it should

676
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,160
happen sometimes, but now that he's safely through this fight

677
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,880
no injuries, gets to win there on September fourteenth, in Japan,

678
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,240
he will challenge in a way for the undisputed title.

679
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,039
The only question is what the exact venue is. Top

680
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:43,400
Rank and the Japanese promoters that work with in a

681
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,839
way it will figure that out, but you have to

682
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,640
assume it'll be in either Tokyo somewhere or the say

683
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,039
Thomas super Arena. That's generally the locations in Japan where

684
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,519
he fights. My big question is where will it be

685
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,319
in terms of a broadcaster, because at that point Top

686
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,079
Rank and ESPN will have parted ways unless there's some

687
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,599
miracle that comes to pass. But the bottom line is

688
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,839
AKMAEDIAV is on his way to Japan in a few

689
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:06,000
months and they'll fight for the title.

690
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,359
Speaker 2: All right. So that leads us to the news.

691
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, when you and I put the podcast

692
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,440
to bed and even the bet Us show on Fridays

693
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,559
one Eastern time on their platforms, when we put that

694
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,279
to bed head of the weekend, I thought that Devin

695
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:24,160
Haney and Taya Femo Lopez, we're going to be able

696
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,079
to be fighting because Taya Femo Lopez had essentially, like

697
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,279
in middle school, angered the bully, angered the guy that

698
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:38,079
you don't want to anger. And so now suddenly here

699
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,279
we are Sunday night into Monday, and what is this

700
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,160
I see on my rundown, in my Dan Rayfield social media,

701
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:43,720
et cetera.

702
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: The fights back on.

703
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: It appears that way. I am told by multiple sources

704
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,240
who are directly involved with this event that look, and

705
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,000
I said this before when we talked about it leading

706
00:31:55,039 --> 00:32:00,359
into this, if Lopez did not apologize to Turkey, that

707
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,759
there was no way that they were going to put

708
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:05,000
this fight back on. And so whoever was responsible for

709
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,519
doing so, whoever put the pressure on, whether it was

710
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,519
Turkey's office or the Haini camp or Tifimo's dad or

711
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,119
management or promoters that top rank or whoever, whoever. You know,

712
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,880
we're all together basically try to talk some sense into him.

713
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,200
Don't be a knucklehead. I know, I think everybody sort

714
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,920
of understood. Look, we know you wanted to fight Ennis.

715
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,960
Turkey wanted to see that fight. But at the end

716
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,519
of the day, Turkey can do a lot of things,

717
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,680
but he can't make somebody fight. And so if Ennis,

718
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,880
for whatever his reasons are decided that he didn't want

719
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400
to do that match because either he just didn't want

720
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,000
to fight you, or they've got something else lined up,

721
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,720
who the heck knows. The point is you cannot make

722
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,640
him fight you, So don't blame Turkey for that not

723
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:51,200
happening and say that he didn't deliver and be upset

724
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,039
where a fight that may not be quite as big

725
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,839
because the fact that there's no title at stake, that

726
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,079
you're going to get paid probably a little bit less money,

727
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,799
but still bigger money than you can make with anybody else.

728
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,799
And so apparently commer has prevailed. And if you take

729
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:09,519
a look at t f MO Lopez's social media, he

730
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,920
did post a full throat apology and I quote to

731
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,400
his Excellency Turkey al Chic, I take full responsibility for

732
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,079
my inappropriate words on the x app. I publicly apologize

733
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,799
to h E, which means his excellency I will conduct

734
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:28,720
myself with greater respect, humility, and professionalism, sending love and

735
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,160
light to all. Thank you. So t f MO Lopez

736
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,079
does his part. And once that happened, as again, I

737
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:38,559
am told by sources who are directly involved, that was like, okay,

738
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,000
we accept the apology. And hey, by the way, guys,

739
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,279
remember those contracts that you already had in place where

740
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,079
everything was agreed to to fight and read on August

741
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,559
sixteenth to do so in a twelve round bout at

742
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:54,680
one hundred and forty five pounds. Now it's okay to

743
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,440
go ahead and sign the paperwork and execute it because

744
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,920
we're now going to do the fight because Turkey accepts

745
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,240
Tiafimo's apology. So I am told that that is the

746
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,880
direction that things move in, and that presumably in the

747
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,840
next short amount of time, all of that paper will

748
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,519
be signed, sealed, and delivered and we'll have a fight

749
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:12,199
August sixteenth.

750
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: As you like to say, it is agreed to, but

751
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,679
it's not signed. You're always very you always say words matter.

752
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,039
It's not done until they sign it. But at least

753
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:27,119
the apology has happened, the apology is accepted, and he

754
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,760
would be nuts not to sign the deal for the

755
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,719
lucrative money and follow through with the fight.

756
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 3: I'm saying that, oh, yeah, you're right about that. I mean,

757
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,920
but the thing about it is, yes, you're right, the

758
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,440
thing has to get signed, obviously, but they'd already gotten

759
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,320
to the point where the camps had the paper as

760
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,119
they all agreed, and so the terms were agreed to.

761
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,440
The paper apparently was okay. They weren't redlining it going

762
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,119
back to make changes. Everything was done the way they

763
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,440
expected it, and now was a matter of signing off

764
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,400
and sending it back. And they were basically put on

765
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,559
hold because of tia Fimo's meltdown. And now it appears

766
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,239
as though that will be that that issue has been

767
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,280
removed and they will go forward and do this fight.

768
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,880
And so again, anything can happen, but at this moment,

769
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,360
as we tape this, I'm told that both sides are

770
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,159
on board. Everything is good. Turkeys has agreed to to

771
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,760
move forward, accepted his apology, and it was a pretty

772
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,199
good apology actually, I mean he didn't, you know, mess around.

773
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,760
I mean a t femo. He's kind of like the

774
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,719
IBF t Fimo doing ta femo things.

775
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Uh So, all things being equal, I think we qualified

776
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:29,840
it enough.

777
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: Looks like they are fighting.

778
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line on Lopez and Hainey until Tayo

779
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,760
Fimo does something else.

780
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: Hopefully he won't help Listen, We'll say we know what

781
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,400
we saw in the recent fights, but if these guys

782
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,760
are going to fight their next fight, and and NS

783
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,840
and Lopez are not going to do a fight. This

784
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,400
is a very reasonable fight. It is an interesting matchup.

785
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,400
I feel like that t Femo is going to feel

786
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,960
like he's got something to prove because of all the

787
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,000
stuff that went on uh to make the match, and

788
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,840
feel like, you know, he's going to show why. Maybe

789
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:04,880
in his mind he believes it and has ducked him.

790
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,920
I have to believe that heiny, you know, he understands

791
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,559
the criticism that's been leveled at him in the post

792
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,360
fight of the Jose Ramirez fight. I don't think he's

793
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,000
too happy about that. He might want to show a

794
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,000
little bit more and so maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised

795
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,039
and get ourselves a good fight. The only thing I

796
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:24,239
say about it is it's just disappointing to me, and

797
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,800
I think to a lot of boxing fans that you

798
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,679
have equality match like that that will be on the

799
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,400
same day as another quality match, which is another pay

800
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,760
per view, which will be the rematch against between Lamont

801
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,280
Roach and Tank Davis. But such as life, at least

802
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,360
the best are fighting the best.

803
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,159
Speaker 1: And that leads us to the next item, which is

804
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,559
on the on the weekend. On the Saturday, they did

805
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,360
officially have Manny Pacquil and Mario Barrios. They're in Las Vegas.

806
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,960
Prior to the pay per view or to the Amazon

807
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,920
PBC on Prime card, they met with the media. They

808
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,480
had them on the pb see on Prime broadcast, and

809
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,559
they also announced the full undercard. So fill in the

810
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:09,760
blanks on Pacquiao being there in Vegas and everything being

811
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,320
announced as it was with the media.

812
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,599
Speaker 3: Not at all surprised. I mean, if you have an event,

813
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:15,800
I mean, this is a tried and true you announce,

814
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,079
you bring your guys together to talk to the press

815
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,079
who's there covering that event, to announce the next event.

816
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,199
This is that event will be at the MGM Grand

817
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:27,519
on July nineteenth. Pacyao will challenge Mario Barrios for the

818
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,000
WBC welterweight title. We've already dissected the good, bad, and

819
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,840
ugly about that situation, but they did make it official,

820
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,599
even though it's been like not even a secret, everybody's

821
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,280
known it's happening. They also had Sebastian Fundora and Tim

822
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,000
Zoo there on hand in Las Vegas to announce officially

823
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,519
that they will meet in a rematch where Sebastian Pandora's

824
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,960
WBC Junior middleweight title in a rematch of their fantastic

825
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,119
first fight that was on short notice but turned into

826
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:54,039
be a bloody classic that Sebastian Pandora was able to

827
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:57,800
win the WBO belt and the vacant WBC title. Obviously

828
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,920
he's been stripped to the WBO because he decided to

829
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,320
go through and do this rematch was Zoom rather than

830
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,519
to fight the mandatory xandersyis. But this is a whatever

831
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,039
beltzer at stake. This is a great rematch. I remember

832
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,559
when they did the first fight with Fendora ZOOTJ, it

833
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:12,719
was the main event. This is the co feature of

834
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,639
a pay per view. So I feel like between the

835
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:18,760
main event seeing Pac Allen Barrios whatever that's going to become,

836
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,280
and then having this as a second fight on the

837
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,000
cart and then as you said, they'd announced officially the

838
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:25,400
other fights that are part of the pay per view.

839
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,920
I've written about these, but they made it official. Tremendous

840
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,679
rematch between Isaac Pittbull Cruz and Angel Fierro back earlier

841
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,360
this year in the lightweight in the junior welterweight division.

842
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,239
I should say they fought absolutely spectacular fight, Fight of

843
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,079
the Year candidate. They're going to do it again. And

844
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,079
they also made official fight that I also have reported

845
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:44,400
about at a very solid featherweight matchup between Brandon Figueroa

846
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,199
and Joet Gonzalez. Figureo is coming off the loss to

847
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,159
Fulton in their rematch. Joe Gonzalez actually is coming off

848
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,760
of a upset mild upset, I guess, in his most

849
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,320
recent fight. And the main thing though is these guys

850
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,519
are both in a position where to get a win

851
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:02,320
it was be very important to them they can shake

852
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,320
off not not that Joet's looking to shake off a loss,

853
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,760
but to get a little bit of a groove going

854
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,960
because he's only lost to the best guys he's faced,

855
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:10,880
and for figure out a chance to get back in

856
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,639
the w column after the loss against us Stephen Fulton.

857
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,559
So this shapes up in my mind. This is a

858
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:18,119
very solid card and it won't be on the main

859
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,199
pay per view And they didn't announce this, but I

860
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,440
talked to his team, but the former featherweight title holder

861
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,840
Mark mcsio is going to be on this card. Also

862
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,880
probably be one of the pulmonary fights I would imagine

863
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,840
that we'll see on the free stream in the junior

864
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,960
lightweight division. He has no oppony yet, but he's excited

865
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,400
because like every Filipino fighter, Pacio is his idol and

866
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,559
to be able for him to be on a Manny

867
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,559
Pacio card is a huge deal for him. So that's

868
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,239
that's what we're looking at. That's you know, lover hate

869
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,119
the main event. The rest of the card is pretty

870
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:44,840
damn good.

871
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: And Paquil again is saying all the right things. But

872
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,800
forty six years of age, four years out of the ring,

873
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,199
we shall see.

874
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: We got plenty were starting to convinced when I was

875
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,639
listening to him talk the other day, So you know,

876
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,599
by the time this fight rolls run in July, we'll

877
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:59,960
see if he's got more people convinced.

878
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,599
Speaker 1: Okay, stay tuned on that sad news unfortunately, and this

879
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:06,800
kind of ties into nostalgia because we're going to get

880
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,599
nostalgic with this guy's Hall of Fame career. Mike McCallum,

881
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:14,400
the body Snatcher, passed away in Las Vegas at the

882
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,880
age of sixty eight. Hall of Fame, Multi division world champion,

883
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,159
and as you said at the top of the podcast,

884
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,920
this was kind of unexpected. I know you have you're

885
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,480
as plugged in as anybody, and you have a network

886
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,400
and different people. But this really, to me, it came

887
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,880
out of the blue. We didn't know that he had

888
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,000
been sick, etc. So if you watched the eighties and

889
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:40,079
the nineties, there were some spectacular KO wins in particular,

890
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,719
Hello left hook bomb on Donald Curry, the body snatcher,

891
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:44,840
Mike mccalum exactly.

892
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,679
Speaker 3: Look, Mike, I don't think it was I don't think

893
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:49,000
he was a matter of in being sick. I mean

894
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,960
the way that that was reported. I actually the first

895
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,079
place I saw this, they had reported it in some

896
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,079
of the press in Jamaica, where even though Mike has

897
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:57,639
lived in Las Vegas for a number of years, he's

898
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,079
one of the great sports legends of the island of Jamaica.

899
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,480
And basically what it said was he was just not

900
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,599
feeling well and he pulled his car over and he

901
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,800
was ended up being found deceased unfortunately. I mean, a

902
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,719
sad situation at that age. But in terms of his boxing,

903
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,800
you know, he is right up there. He didn't have

904
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,280
the ability. I shouldn't say that he didn't get the

905
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,199
opportunity to fight the Big four. Leonard Hearns Duran and Hagler.

906
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,199
But if you asked anybody around in that era, fighters, managers, promoters,

907
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,679
TV people, media people, every single one of them will

908
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,159
tell you the Mike McCallum was on the same level

909
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,960
of those guys and would have competed and perhaps won

910
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,639
some of those fights. And I'm not going to ever

911
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,280
say bad about Sugar Ray Leonard. You know, he was

912
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,599
one of my idols of all time. Sugar Ray Leonard

913
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,599
did not want to fight Mike McCallum because he knew

914
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,400
that was a very, very dangerous fight that wasn't necessarily

915
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,920
worth the kind of money in his prestige that there

916
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,760
was when he took the gambles and took the fights

917
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,119
with guys like like Hearns and Hagler and Durant. Mike

918
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,440
McCallum was on that level. This is a man who

919
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,239
had a phenomenal amate. He was two hundred and forty

920
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:05,599
and ten as an amateur. He was a top level

921
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,440
amateur for a long time before he became, you know,

922
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,000
a top professional. He was an Olympian in nineteen seventy six,

923
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,400
the same Olympic Games that we saw the Sphinx Brothers

924
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,440
and Sugar Ray Leonard and plenty of other greats come

925
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,639
out of and as a professional, you know, he did,

926
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,119
you know, he was with that Lou Duva George Benton group.

927
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:26,400
He had a great team behind him in terms of

928
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,719
his management and the training team that he worked with,

929
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,079
and through the career he also had top guys like

930
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,239
you know, besides lou Duva, he worked at one point

931
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,199
with Eddie Futch. I mean, these are the elite trainers

932
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,960
of that time. Had the great nickname body Snatcher, and

933
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,400
why because he's a phenomenal body puncher. Obviously he was

934
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,000
at one of the great body punchers of all time.

935
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,440
He won titles in three weight classes. Junior middleweight where

936
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,079
he held the title for quite a while, middleweight, and

937
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,320
then eventually he went up and he won the title

938
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,960
in the light heavyweight division. And he beat a whole

939
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,719
bunch of good quality guys. Now, a lot of people

940
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,800
like might remember him because you know, at the end

941
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,960
of his career, you know, he got shut out basically

942
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440
lost every round to Roy Jones. Ah, you know, he's

943
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,079
no good, But that.

944
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,679
Speaker 2: Was one of us. Was in the house in Tampa,

945
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,679
Florida that night.

946
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,599
Speaker 1: That was me, but the body Snatcher against Roy Jones,

947
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,920
and you you appointed that the past that was near

948
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,639
the end of McCollums career, He's not, well, you shouldn't.

949
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: You shouldn't ever think about that as it counting like, oh,

950
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,880
that doesn't really mean a lot. He had a draw

951
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,960
with the prime James Tony, He beat Ayub Kalule, who

952
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,599
was a top jinger. Middleway, he beat Julian Jackson, Milton McCrory.

953
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,840
You mentioned the spectacular knockout against Donald Curry, Stevie Collins.

954
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,320
Stevie Collins split the fights with Sambu Colombay, who was

955
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,440
a guy that should be on the Hall of Fame ballot,

956
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,679
but for whatever reason hasn't been. Jeff Harding in the

957
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,320
light heavyweight division. Uh, he did lose two times in

958
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,519
the in the first two fights against James Tony. He

959
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:51,400
also lost to Roy when he was near the end,

960
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:53,440
and he didn't have the loss to Fabric Tioso, who

961
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,159
had his peak you know back in the day, was

962
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:59,400
another top fighter. It didn't last as long as McCallum's prime.

963
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,519
But I'm saying he mixed with the best guys that

964
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:03,920
were willing to fight him. But the big four of

965
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:06,800
hearns Leonard and Hagler and Duran, the wodn't They didn't

966
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,679
want any part of him. That's just the reality.

967
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:09,519
Speaker 2: You know.

968
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 3: He asked anybody that was around of that time, you know,

969
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,280
basically came down to a one point because he was

970
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,079
with Emmanuel Stewart. Emanuel basically chose Hearns over McCallum. I

971
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,199
don't think it was because Hearns was necessarily more talented,

972
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,559
but you know, Emmanuel could be a business person also,

973
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,559
and not Callum wasn't going to bring him as much

974
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:25,960
money as Tommy Hearns, who was making a fortune because

975
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,199
he was packing the house and scoring big knockouts. And

976
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,559
as great as Mike was as a boxer, he never

977
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:33,840
drew those kind of humongous crowds, but he fought a

978
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,239
lot of top guys, and he also, you know, was

979
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,840
heralded by everybody. You go back and look at the

980
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,960
old publications like the Ring Magazine for example, back in then,

981
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,480
you know, in the day in like the mid nineties

982
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,360
when they were doing like the greatest junior middleweights of

983
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,320
all time, you know, they picked him as the second

984
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,840
best junior midleweight in the history of the division. I mean,

985
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:51,920
I don't think even if you were doing the list today,

986
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,400
you know, thirty years later, I don't know if a

987
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,480
lot of that would change. He was inducted into the

988
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,480
Hall of Fame in two thousand and three. I mean,

989
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,440
he was one of the greats of the great and

990
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,639
unfortunately he's known besides how good he was, the thing

991
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,360
that people know him for is because guys wouldn't fight him.

992
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,559
But he didn't have the Unfortunately. Yeah, like I mentioned

993
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:12,360
a lot of the guys he fought, but he didn't

994
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,480
have the glory of fighting his true peers when he

995
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,119
was at his best. Him and Sugar Ray Leonard would

996
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:20,519
have been obviously a very competitive fight, and I feel

997
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:22,400
like it would have been a classic.

998
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: Well, and it's interesting it's all intertwined to that Donald

999
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,559
Curry knockout, because we've gone over this before, but we'll

1000
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:31,039
just briefly mention it here that that was in and

1001
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,840
around the time period where Leonard was fighting Hagler and

1002
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,840
Donald Curry was mad and suing Sugar Ray Leonard because

1003
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,280
he believed that Leonard misled him into fighting Hagler for himself,

1004
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,519
and so then they are having the fight and the

1005
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:50,639
Curry team is trying to get against McCallum. The Curry

1006
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:53,400
team's trying to get Sugar Ray Leonard off the broadcast,

1007
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,239
and there's all this talk about, well, if Curry wins

1008
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,599
the fight, will you fight Curry, and Leonard's trying to

1009
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,880
stay out of that, and then McCaw with the big

1010
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,880
booming left and I still remember Barry Tompkins, the great announcer,

1011
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,239
the great HBO Hall of Fame announcer, was with us

1012
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,360
previously on the podcast, and he told us the story

1013
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,400
that night that he took a date to the fight

1014
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,000
in Las Vegas, the Caesars Palace pavilion for the McCallum

1015
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,679
Donald Curry fight, and the date who he later married

1016
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,400
somebody else, but the date was sitting behind him on

1017
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,960
the HBO broadcast. He got a great seat right behind him,

1018
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,719
a couple rows behind him, and when McCallum landed the punch,

1019
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,000
he said, I can hear my date on the crowd,

1020
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:29,519
Mike screaming, Oh.

1021
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,639
Speaker 2: My god, he's dead.

1022
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,679
Speaker 1: He's dead, and I know it's her behind me. He's like,

1023
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,880
I'm shrinking. I'm paraphrasing, I'm shrinking in my chair while

1024
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,199
I'm falling the end of the fight because I can

1025
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:40,719
hear her.

1026
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: It was that devastating of a knockout.

1027
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,519
Speaker 1: And one more footnote, Dan Rayphaiel After Sugar Ray Leonard

1028
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:48,000
saw that left hand. I think he probably decided once

1029
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,719
in a frol I'm not fighting Mike McCallum, the body stature.

1030
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: I made the point it's not that Sugary Litter was

1031
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,960
scared to fight anybody. It said, he just made a

1032
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,199
business decision to go in a direction that would pay

1033
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,599
him crazy amounts some money to fight other guys when

1034
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:00,599
the riches were not necessarily in the same in ballpark

1035
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:03,960
to fight against mccount, who, by the way, had long rains.

1036
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:06,320
You know, I look this up. Know one we were

1037
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,639
going to talk about the unfortunate passing of the great

1038
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:12,119
Mike mccownt Thirteen wins, three losses, one draw, and eight

1039
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,079
knockouts in world title fights and you know, over three

1040
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:16,960
way classes. I mean, he was the real deal. I mean,

1041
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,960
there's no doubt about it. He was one of the

1042
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,920
greatest fighters of his time. He is vastly underrated. I

1043
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,840
bet you there's people that maybe listen to our show.

1044
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,800
They certainly know the Big Four and they know the

1045
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,079
modern stars, but then they made a hurt of McCollum,

1046
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,039
but they never really watched his fights. I would say,

1047
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:31,800
you know what, take yourself down a rabbit hole on

1048
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,199
YouTube and go watch some of his biggest fights and

1049
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,159
you'll be impressed, because not only was he a tremendous puncher,

1050
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,519
but he was a tremendous technician and he had a

1051
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:43,400
lot of skills. He was really like I always have

1052
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,519
said this many times that the kinds of fighters I

1053
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,159
like to watch our guys who are good boxers, who

1054
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:50,159
can bring the sweet science but aren't afraid to mix

1055
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,320
it up and can crack also, and he kind of

1056
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,280
fell into that kind of category of guys that could

1057
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,119
definitely fight and could definitely box, and sometimes in the

1058
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:00,920
right certainces he would bring it out and he would

1059
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,760
fight you, and there was other times where he would

1060
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,800
do what he had to do to win the fight

1061
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,400
in box. I mean, he was versatile. He was extremely

1062
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:09,760
capable of fighting in a variety of styles forward, backwards,

1063
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,000
and obviously the body punching was second to none. And uh,

1064
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,440
you know, it's an unfortunate loss. You know, I know

1065
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,800
a lot of people in the business that have been

1066
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,960
around Mike for years and I've seen I've I've been

1067
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,320
around Mike many times in Vegas because he lived there,

1068
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,480
and he wasn't like a you know some guys they

1069
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,159
come to every fight. McCallum would show up at the

1070
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,119
fights occasionally, but it was always, you know, a cool cat,

1071
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,639
you know, had that like laid back sort of Jamaican attitude.

1072
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,920
I remember one time they were doing a fundraiser for

1073
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,920
the Nevada Boxing Hall of Fame that was run by

1074
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,320
my pal Rich Morada, and they were doing some sort

1075
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,639
of like like a mixer like sort of drinks and

1076
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,239
fundraising thing at one of the lounges in Vegas at

1077
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,880
the hotel we were at for the fight, and Mike

1078
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,840
came by, and you know what, there was a lot

1079
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,199
of like pop boxing people there. There was a ton

1080
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,320
of people around Mike McCallum because everybody that was there

1081
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,920
was a diehard and they all knew who the guy was.

1082
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,880
And you could just tell looking at him he was

1083
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,199
having the time of his life and wing being around

1084
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:03,119
because he's been retired at that point for a long time.

1085
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,719
You know, he was the kind of guy who wasn't

1086
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:06,960
super super famous. He could walk, you know, go to

1087
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,800
the store, go to the restaurant. A lot of people

1088
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,199
might not even recognize him, but you put him in

1089
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:12,119
a group of boxing people and all of a sudden,

1090
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,159
you know, he's, uh, you know, he's the center of attention.

1091
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,280
He could tell he was enjoying himself that particular night.

1092
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: And that leads us to other nostalgia, and that includes,

1093
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,559
on this very day, June the first, now six years ago,

1094
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,719
the shocking upset of Andy Ruiz with a TKO stoppage

1095
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,199
of the unified heavyweight champion of the World, Anthony Joshua.

1096
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:39,719
Anthony Joshua was unforgettable US debut and uh, he got

1097
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,119
knocked out. He got knocked out that night at Madison

1098
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,519
Square Garden. Now you were there, we should say to

1099
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:46,800
the podcast audience, we want you to go to the

1100
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,920
YouTube page because we're going to talk about this fully

1101
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,119
on the YouTube page. But suffice to say it's up

1102
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,880
there in all time heavyweight upsets generally speaking.

1103
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: Yes, oh, absolutely, no question about this was a This

1104
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,679
was a shocking shock upset I remembered being we'll get

1105
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:04,079
into it on the on the in the video part.

1106
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:08,960
But like steeled boxing people who've been around for decades,

1107
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,079
the looks on their faces when this fight was over

1108
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:15,360
at the press conference, and even before we left, ringside

1109
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,639
just could not believe what they had seen. That that

1110
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,719
Anthony Joshua, who looked like he's cut from granted, who

1111
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,559
was a heavy duty favorite, who was undefeated, who was

1112
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:28,599
the unified champion against Andy Luiz, you know, the short

1113
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:33,239
fat guy, Dad bah Yeah, yeah, big time dad Bob. Yeah.

1114
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: But he got the win that night as stunning as

1115
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,119
there's been. So go watch the YouTube video. We're pushing

1116
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:41,320
you peeps pod audience, Dan and I talk about this

1117
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,719
fight in full, including Rayphiel having to pick up the

1118
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,440
jaws of many people around ringside after what happened that

1119
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:52,719
night at Madison Fame, Madison Square Garden, June first, twenty nineteen.

1120
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,400
As we do this on the pod, all right, listen,

1121
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,079
we've been here a little bit, great recap stuff. We've

1122
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,639
had the news, We've had a little nostyle. We get

1123
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,119
ready for a key Shawn Davis fight week here in

1124
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:05,519
the new month by coming up later this week in

1125
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:06,760
the top ranked main events.

1126
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 2: Other than that, are we good? Are we ready to

1127
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:09,920
have a good week?

1128
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: Are we good? Yes?

1129
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,119
Speaker 2: Sir, I believe that we are.

1130
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,679
Speaker 1: There, Goes Damn Rayfield, I'm merely TJ Reeves followers. Subscribe

1131
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:20,079
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1132
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:23,559
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1133
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:26,599
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1134
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:28,880
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1136
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