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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, everybody.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you Eye on the Ball here on Fox
Speaker 3: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera in with me the days.
Speaker 3: Look who we have here? Andy Brown? Downtown?
Speaker 2: What's up? Steve? Got me man? Got away from whatever
Speaker 2: you were doing? Uh sweating because everybody else is right now? Yes,
Speaker 2: well I hadn't even gotten to be hot yet. And
Speaker 2: this is covered parking out here, that's not reserved out here.
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm wanna get back on the farm. I
Speaker 2: can check that. I can check that because you don't
Speaker 2: have the reserve spot. But I didn't see it, don't.
Speaker 2: They don't even know who I am?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know you take that parking states right there.
Speaker 2: I saw you like to punch in your coat like
Speaker 2: three times in there and they change Did they change
Speaker 2: it on me? You might have got ray here to celebrate.
Speaker 2: Not much. You would need baby for the summer, because
Speaker 2: everybody else is gone here we are you would need
Speaker 2: because I'll be doing the board, which you're not doing.
Speaker 2: The board. Yep, rare university guy. You're on loan from
Speaker 2: the university. Like all his guys, he gets yeah, nice, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're nice. He's a kid, do that though. He's been
Speaker 2: through the war. You know, you know all the buttons. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do know the buttons. Nice. He's not like a
Speaker 2: he's not like a fresh face. Don't stay near that.
Speaker 2: Stay away from that ejection button right there, raise my
Speaker 2: guy a cough button ready to go though, Yeah, gotcha, No,
Speaker 2: we got right here. We've been knowing to drop some bombs,
Speaker 2: Yes we have. It's been before andy. What's the word? Man?
Speaker 2: Are you? Are you busy?
Speaker 5: The summer?
Speaker 2: We just finished season eighteen. Security just finished uh twenty
Speaker 2: seven graduations at the Universe. Oh oh, because all over
Speaker 2: you to do that? Yeah, so that's we're done. I
Speaker 2: mean QSD was our last big weekend of graduations and
Speaker 2: now we regrew group, re hire, retrain, and get ready
Speaker 2: for the fall season. No concerts coming up, there's a
Speaker 2: few out there. The big one that got postponed was
Speaker 2: Kevin hard Right, so a couple of weeks ago. That's
Speaker 2: all right, should come back. But yes, I think he's
Speaker 2: scheduled for October something it's like it's going to be hot.
Speaker 2: I ain't going I'm gonna I'm gonna come back in October. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hot out there, it does.
Speaker 3: Last year was probably the hottest I's ever been here.
Speaker 3: If I can remember usually that I'm getting too old
Speaker 3: for this stuff.
Speaker 2: That might be right. I'm starting to get warm anyway,
Speaker 2: wrinkling up and yeah, you know, no, there's not a
Speaker 2: whole lot of big stuff going on right now. It's
Speaker 2: a slow season for Tucson. You know how it goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even with you a, it's gonna be a struggle
Speaker 3: for me getting guys who got you luckily this morning? Yeah,
Speaker 3: try to get some guests. But we have a pretty
Speaker 3: good one here in the first hour. Jenny Dalton Dalton Hill,
Speaker 3: she's in the ESPN Softball person. She's not doing the
Speaker 3: games now, but she's gonna be. She's a coach now
Speaker 3: in in the New Women and So Softball. Yeah, she's
Speaker 3: in Chicago, gonna be a coach out there. We'll talk
Speaker 3: to her about that. Talked to her about have you
Speaker 3: been watching softball? I have, okay, so I and I
Speaker 3: love the game. It's last night. Yeah, did you watch well,
Speaker 3: did you watch the previous weekend when she didn't touch
Speaker 3: the plate. And then they said, we know she didn't
Speaker 3: touch the plate, but she's safe. Oh my goodness, I
Speaker 3: don't even know the rule on that one. I was
Speaker 3: I was in communication with said, is this the jit
Speaker 3: that tag out?
Speaker 2: She was gone for by a mile, right, but she's safe.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, when did this happen? The obstruction by the umpire,
Speaker 2: But then there was an obstruction by the batter, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't doesn't matter. I think the girl went back
Speaker 2: to first anyways, Yeah, they call her out. They could
Speaker 2: they could have called the batter was already out. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was just crazy crazy And then and the steal
Speaker 3: or the attemptancy. It was she was in the way.
Speaker 3: How was she in the way? Her foot was in
Speaker 3: the way. That what I said, foot was in the
Speaker 3: Did you play baseball? Did you play ball?
Speaker 2: No? And you you could? You could do whatever you
Speaker 2: get song as they don't reach the base, you're done,
Speaker 2: get it away.
Speaker 3: Remember when they used to have fights, when the case
Speaker 3: came in hard and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, I loved watching the Pete Rose that those are
Speaker 2: the days that you could just run people over, spike
Speaker 2: people slide in the second, legs up. You're not bleeding, bro,
Speaker 2: You didn't slide hard, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not that that happened last night, but it was
Speaker 3: it was like it wasn't excited they got him out,
Speaker 3: No they didn't. I'm thinking, what are they arguing? She
Speaker 3: was out pat.
Speaker 2: And then they scored the run and you're thinking that's
Speaker 2: going to create a problem. But then they came back
Speaker 2: and then they came back to.
Speaker 3: Another What the hell is she doing? What the hell
Speaker 3: is she doing throwing strikes for a pontential? You see
Speaker 3: like she just swinging. She just hit that ball. No,
Speaker 3: but did you see the other pictures? The other pictures
Speaker 3: could have been. I think finally she just kind of
Speaker 3: looked that I wanted to swing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hell with this? What I saw it on today?
Speaker 2: This that hasn't happened in a game, and they replayed
Speaker 2: it like I don't know, thirty years ago. Oh it
Speaker 2: happens in baseball, Oh where somebody actually reached out and
Speaker 2: hit the ball. I think it was the White White
Speaker 2: Sox game. I think, Oh, I just saw this morning
Speaker 2: getting ready they were doing it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Okay, to me, it's been it's been great, great stuff
Speaker 3: watching it baseball too.
Speaker 2: Baseball starts tomorrow. You the Batcats, those were those dudes
Speaker 2: just started hitting dingers left and right. Yeah, and they're pitching. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's coming through. They're they're confident. They get up there
Speaker 2: and you can tell that cow Poly team did not
Speaker 2: want to be there. No, they had already gotten to that.
Speaker 2: First picture was just like, can I sit down now?
Speaker 2: The guy don't want to be here. You can see
Speaker 2: in his face. I don't want to be here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you remember?
Speaker 3: And yesterday we had Lopez on coach Lopez and we
Speaker 3: had uh Wes clements before. Steve Strong the day before
Speaker 3: talked about the Andy didn't talk about this, but the
Speaker 3: other guys how they kind.
Speaker 2: Of got through the catching a break. You know, everyone
Speaker 2: catches a break. Yes, when you were there two years
Speaker 2: at you yes, ninety three, four five, I graduated ninety five. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you were on the team, right, No, I took stats.
Speaker 2: Oh they moved you, yeah that one day your GPA. No,
Speaker 2: they did. They brought in a guy named Ben Davis.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah he was gladly gave him my spot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: loot loot love Ben. That's a good, great, great guy man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I talked chat we chat on Facebook. So yeah, he
Speaker 2: he still thinks he's the best reboundary. Oh yes, and
Speaker 2: he still looks like he can play though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, hey, let's get Pete over here real quick.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he still looks like he could play. Oh Pete, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he just had he did, remember two years ago? Yeah,
Speaker 3: he still he's a grandpa. He's a two time guys.
Speaker 2: He's having great time being a grandpa.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sold my business called him just to get him
Speaker 2: on the phone. Jesse Barky was out there. He's the
Speaker 2: grandpa again. He's your guys. He's my business partner. He's
Speaker 2: doing great, enjoying taking his granddaughter to him from preschool.
Speaker 2: Shout out to you, Jesse, doing a great job. Did
Speaker 2: you hear me questions for us? You have any questions?
Speaker 2: He asked him this? Why the hell are they doing this?
Speaker 2: He usually gives me a whole list of stuff to ask.
Speaker 2: You tell him to tell the truth too. Well, we did. Uh,
Speaker 2: we did go about a month and a half before
Speaker 2: we pulled the trigger on renewing our football tickets. Oh,
Speaker 2: who's the we? Me and Jesse? Oh okay, so you
Speaker 2: have a team, does okay? So we buy basketball and
Speaker 2: football tickets. After last Jesse was like, I'm done, Come on, man,
Speaker 2: give him one more year, bro, one more year? Who
Speaker 2: we did? On more year? We re upped. Well.
Speaker 3: You know the funny funny thing about that is I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people feel the same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they got to sell tickets, you guys.
Speaker 2: They have to have believers like you guys, because if
Speaker 2: they don't, I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Because they need money. They need yeah, and they needed
Speaker 3: it's a it's a catch twenty two. They need to
Speaker 3: give you a good team, yes, and you need to
Speaker 3: spend money to see the good team.
Speaker 2: Right. So how many years can you go without product? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So you got to have a good product, consistent I
Speaker 2: wouldn't even say you just got to be consistent, right,
Speaker 2: consistently good. You can't not be consistently good. I mean right,
Speaker 2: people want to see uh, I mean people want to
Speaker 2: know you have a chance, right right, See, your team
Speaker 2: has a chance going into any game. That's all you need. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, here was the problem last year, and you may
Speaker 3: you and I may have talked about this before the
Speaker 3: season started. What do you think you have you have
Speaker 3: a chance. Yeah, you have a fighting chance.
Speaker 2: Because of the people that came back, right right, And
Speaker 2: then you think, I mean the second game, I went
Speaker 2: as a spectator, not as a as a sports writer,
Speaker 2: and I was leaving the New Mexico game and people
Speaker 2: were saying, we're screwed, and they weren't saying screwed, they
Speaker 2: were saying something else, and I'm thinking you got to
Speaker 2: kind of give them a chance.
Speaker 3: But there were not just one people one person. Well,
Speaker 3: it was a bunch of people say oh, we're screwed you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they struggled. Yeah, and you're thinking, how they struggling.
Speaker 3: You got to put up numbers against that team. That's
Speaker 3: your stat game right there, right, you look at no.
Speaker 7: And there was a season two where it was like,
Speaker 7: you know, Texas leaving, Oklahoma left like well.
Speaker 2: And we were sitting up there with the guys that
Speaker 2: got back and the preseason hoop lot. So, by the way,
Speaker 2: how many tickets you have just in case I need
Speaker 2: to when start? We got to Oh that's all you
Speaker 2: got two football tickets?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I thought you got maybe for the people, Well,
Speaker 3: you've got people working.
Speaker 2: Everybody's working. If you're not working, you're sick. You called out,
Speaker 2: So we got everybody working those games. That makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can get you about fifty people. People more than that.
Speaker 2: Oh at football game. You need to tell me, probably confidential.
Speaker 2: It's north of the way. North of that. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: got a lot. But that's you know, there's more stuff
Speaker 2: going on on football days now. I mean this town
Speaker 2: used to shut down football games on Saturdays. Now there's
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff going on, right, different venues, different events. Yeah. Spreading, uh,
Speaker 2: you're spreading the dollar pretty thin here into something. That's
Speaker 2: that's the other issue.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have a certain amount of dollars in
Speaker 3: your pocket, you having a lot of people asking you
Speaker 3: to do and go and see blah blah blah. Oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, we have nil nil obligations. Sorry, here's
Speaker 3: a dollar from the pizza. Pizza, I mean there's not
Speaker 3: enough pizza to go around, no, or dollars.
Speaker 2: For the pizza. No, not a big piece of pie, right,
Speaker 2: the pie is not thinking in fact, did you mean
Speaker 2: one you met one or other? Intern? Yeah? I remember, Okay,
Speaker 2: so so and rate I don't think is going through this.
Speaker 3: He's grady. The recent grads. Oh, everybody getting calls Hey congratulations,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, can you you know, can you help the
Speaker 3: funny story story. I know the phone number that comes
Speaker 3: up by sixty two six number, right, just put in
Speaker 3: your phone. Sixty two six number comes on my phone
Speaker 3: and go And it's usually about eight o'clock at night.
Speaker 3: Oh really, I'm like, oh, this is where I go.
Speaker 3: So the first few years, I'm like, oh, somebody from
Speaker 3: your base call me because we worked there. And now
Speaker 3: I go, oh, that's a call for money. Oh and
Speaker 3: I just go delete. So the other night I was
Speaker 3: sitting there watching TV and my phone rings and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I swipe it, and my wife goes, what's that?
Speaker 2: I go, ah, this is U a call for money.
Speaker 2: Two seconds later, her phone calls because she's like the
Speaker 2: second number and she's like, oh is that sixty Then
Speaker 2: I go yeah. She was like, yeah, they call me.
Speaker 2: Now there you go, don't you answer? Yeah, it's usually
Speaker 2: seven thirty eight o'clock at night. Feature like a booty
Speaker 2: call me. That's uh, that's that is usually from the
Speaker 2: department that you graduate from. Okay, yeah, that comes from Eler. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Every it's about every other month, yeah, persistence. Yeah, one
Speaker 2: day you can get tired. Just answer the ptentional phones.
Speaker 2: Give them ten dollars, give them undred bucks. Yeah, give
Speaker 2: him on a gibribera right, Yeah, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: I appreciate every pen of the night that you know.
Speaker 2: That keeps my life. Baby nice. Yes, So it's through
Speaker 2: starting to slow down. Sports fly stuff, man. As soon
Speaker 2: as that's what we're talking about this, I know, as
Speaker 2: soon as NBA is over. Yeah, I mean you're a
Speaker 2: baseball guy though, No, no basketball, but I'm not any
Speaker 2: of it anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, are you gonna watch I think
Speaker 3: you're gonna watch tonight's game probably, yeah, absolutely, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: watch the softball game, the softball Trump's NBA.
Speaker 2: Well, I have this fancy TV. Now you can watch
Speaker 2: both of the picture picture. I was always wondering about
Speaker 2: that because I had Picture of picture twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh now it's not now, it's right now that the
Speaker 2: YouTube TV does it for you. Oh, you can select
Speaker 2: I want to watch those four Okay, really look into that. Me.
Speaker 2: I just gotta run new TV that doesn't do that. No,
Speaker 2: you gotta get the YouTube TV subscription. Okay. No, So
Speaker 2: I'll be flipping back and forth. But that's as soon
Speaker 2: as you get that my another hockey guy. So it
Speaker 2: was no not I heard, good. Who was overtime right, Edmonton? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I went to overtime.
Speaker 3: Someone asked me because I was coming to real quick
Speaker 3: about the softball game. So you're not watching the soccer,
Speaker 3: I said me.
Speaker 2: And soccer? Yeah yeah, but I heard, oh it's overtime.
Speaker 2: I watched the friendly the other night the US women
Speaker 2: and Jamaica watch or something like that. Oh my goodness, yeah,
Speaker 2: U S women crushed. They were crushing it. So I watched.
Speaker 2: I like to watch those. So I watched the watch
Speaker 2: a couple of soccer matches.
Speaker 7: Last week Champions League, yeah, Saturday. Yeah, yeah, it was well,
Speaker 7: it wasn't like on score, it wasn't a good one,
Speaker 7: but it was a good storyline.
Speaker 2: Do you see I was watching the I was watching
Speaker 2: the French Open, right, the tennis thing whatever it is,
Speaker 2: and uh and they had to shush the crowd because
Speaker 2: the French team had scored, right, and so everybody in
Speaker 2: there was watching on their phones inside the tennis match,
Speaker 2: and so the umpire in the chair had to go,
Speaker 2: PARTI quiet, please, quiet please. Everybody's like watching the game
Speaker 2: on their phones. At the tennis match. I can't imagine
Speaker 2: what Paris was like that night. That's funny. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like that that they were speaking Spanish. Poor for
Speaker 2: war shut those down. Yeah, I couldn't think of the
Speaker 2: French for poll. I don't know how to say one
Speaker 2: of those. Let's take a break, get ahold of Jenny
Speaker 2: on the other side.
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Speaker 13: Want to take part in the show Call up Steve
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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to the ball Here on Fox Sports
Speaker 3: Fortune fifty, I'm Steve Event and with me today is
Speaker 3: Andy Brown. Now on the phone, we have Jenny Dalton Hill,
Speaker 3: former U of A All Americans Softball players.
Speaker 2: Are you doing Jenny?
Speaker 5: I'm good. How are you guys?
Speaker 2: We're doing well. You all are very popular.
Speaker 3: You did a great job on your ESPN outing when
Speaker 3: you did your stuff a week or so.
Speaker 5: A goal, right, Well, espan is something I do all
Speaker 5: season long.
Speaker 14: It starts with that Clearwater tournament back in February where
Speaker 14: they get all the postseason teams. It feels like that
Speaker 14: start off the season in the second weekend playing against
Speaker 14: each other, and then I go all the way up
Speaker 14: until Super Regionals and uh yeah, I finished off with
Speaker 14: Texas and Clemson for Super Regionals and lo and behold,
Speaker 14: Texas is in the Chance Series this week.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they look fantastically good. Last night I thought, well,
Speaker 3: they were on the ropes until they weren't. Right did
Speaker 3: you did you have a chance to watch it at all?
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, do you even have to ask
Speaker 5: that question?
Speaker 2: Of course, to verify the facts.
Speaker 3: So here we are so nobody who isn't And in fact,
Speaker 3: before you came in, I was telling Andy tonight's NBA
Speaker 3: and softball at the same time.
Speaker 2: I'm watching softball. I've been watching softball for the last
Speaker 2: two weeks.
Speaker 14: Yes, yes, because tonight is can be the deciding factor
Speaker 14: in it, right with Texas winning Game one. If they
Speaker 14: win tonight, it's all over. So Texas tech up against
Speaker 14: the Ropes, has to win tonight to be able to extend.
Speaker 14: But yeah, the thunder obviously putting a little kick in
Speaker 14: the works playing too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the game last night. Well, I was texting
Speaker 3: can Dre throughout the game last night. I think I
Speaker 3: can't remember seeing so many crazy stuff going on in
Speaker 3: the last two three weeks. I mean, you've seen it
Speaker 3: because you've seen a number of games, but maybe not
Speaker 3: to this extent last week. Usually doesn't step on a plate.
Speaker 3: It still doesn't matter. They score the run, all the
Speaker 3: home runs, all the craziness, you lived it, You lived it.
Speaker 2: But have you seen all these crazy things?
Speaker 5: Well, and I think that's the key word. I think
Speaker 5: that stuff always happens.
Speaker 14: It's just now with the visibility of TV, now everybody
Speaker 14: sees it, where before it maybe just kind of fell
Speaker 14: through the cracks and nobody was paying attention. Now you
Speaker 14: can't hide that step.
Speaker 5: You're exposed because everybody's watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the obstruction one was bonkers to me.
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, that can take a long discussion, but let
Speaker 14: me make it short and sweet.
Speaker 5: It was not obstruction.
Speaker 14: I think they missed that call and it absolutely changed
Speaker 14: the trajectory of what could have.
Speaker 2: Been the end of that game, no question, no question.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, since when did that become a rule?
Speaker 3: And yeah, he texted me, Kendre had said to me, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they need to look at look at the up again.
Speaker 2: That needs to change.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that rule has has gone through a couple iterations.
Speaker 14: It's it's tried to find kind of place to protect
Speaker 14: the players, right like we've all we've all seen those
Speaker 14: huge collisions in baseball and they look like they're playing football,
Speaker 14: not baseball.
Speaker 5: So I think the I think the intent.
Speaker 14: Of the rule is in the right spot, but right now,
Speaker 14: the way that it's being interpreted is taking.
Speaker 5: Away from the just the the soul of our game.
Speaker 5: I mean, she played it perfectly.
Speaker 14: The girl was host she was hung out to dry,
Speaker 14: and unfortunately they they ruled in favor of the wording
Speaker 14: of the rule rather the intent of the of the play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm offering wondering you, uh, ninety five, do you
Speaker 3: think I know this, This is dumb question, So apologize
Speaker 3: for dumb questions because I've dumb question. I was there
Speaker 3: for a couple of the championships for you Bay back
Speaker 3: in the early nineties, and I'm sure the game today,
Speaker 3: you guys still would have crushed it.
Speaker 2: You guys would have won a number of titles.
Speaker 14: Well, the crazy thing is everybody like applauds Oklahoma for
Speaker 14: being the first team to win four in a row,
Speaker 14: but if you actually look back in the record books,
Speaker 14: there is an asterisk next to nineteen ninety five because
Speaker 14: that title has been vacated by UCLA. And who played
Speaker 14: UCLA in the finals that year, a little school in Tucson,
Speaker 14: and that would have made actually my career four national championships.
Speaker 5: But that title has been vacated and they have not
Speaker 5: reassigned it.
Speaker 14: So I mean, like if you look at the Olympics,
Speaker 14: if they take a gold medal away from an athlete,
Speaker 14: they give the gold medal to the other team or
Speaker 14: the other person. But so far I have not received
Speaker 14: that national championship trophy. So but I would say that
Speaker 14: that the UFA teams from ninety three to ninety seven,
Speaker 14: because actually they won in ninety seven as well, which
Speaker 14: would have made it five in a row. I think
Speaker 14: those teams were stellar and could have put up a
Speaker 14: pretty good fight.
Speaker 2: Has a game changed since then?
Speaker 5: In your opinion, it definitely has. It definitely has.
Speaker 14: And when you think about how it's changed, it's changed
Speaker 14: in the sense that there's so many more analytics that
Speaker 14: are able to be tracked and watched and viewed and studied.
Speaker 14: And so I mean back in the day, we literally
Speaker 14: had a shirt that coach made that said chuck.
Speaker 5: And duck, meaning like, throw the ball, we're going to
Speaker 5: hit it. And that was the extent of the analytics.
Speaker 14: I don't know that coach Candrea ever talked to us
Speaker 14: about this is a rise ball picture we're facing today,
Speaker 14: or this is a dominant curve ball pitcher that we're
Speaker 14: facing today.
Speaker 5: We never talked about it.
Speaker 14: We literally stood in the box and said throw whatever
Speaker 14: you got because we're going to hit it, basically right
Speaker 14: back down your throat. So now you have these scouting
Speaker 14: reports and the spray charts and the heat maps, and
Speaker 14: teams are studying those and we've seen the evolution of
Speaker 14: a hitter just grow because of the information.
Speaker 5: I will say that the rules need to catch up.
Speaker 14: I think we're calling too small of a strike zone,
Speaker 14: which is giving the hitters the advantage.
Speaker 5: So while the hitters are still strong and powerful, they
Speaker 5: have more information stepping in to the box.
Speaker 14: And then we're really limiting our pitching staff by shrinking
Speaker 14: the zone to a point that we're making them throw
Speaker 14: the ball in very hitable zones rather than expanding the
Speaker 14: zone and making the hitter improve.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, oh, oh, I'm sure she'd
Speaker 3: been watching you. Pay attention, you've been doing all this thing. Hey,
Speaker 3: Today there's a story in the Athletic The Texas Tech
Speaker 3: picture is the face, they said, the face of the
Speaker 3: of the softball world today.
Speaker 2: Would you agree? And I really think she's fantastic.
Speaker 14: Nigerie Kennedy at Texas Tech is who you're speaking of.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 14: So, I had the pleasure of being around Nie when
Speaker 14: she was fourteen years old, and she was a strong
Speaker 14: specimen of an athlete back then, but.
Speaker 5: She was also like a newborn giraffe.
Speaker 14: She had legs and arms going everywhere, and the ball
Speaker 14: would hit the middle of the backstop when she'd let
Speaker 14: it go. She has done such a good job of
Speaker 14: allowing herself to be coachable and teachable, and she's our
Speaker 14: first million dollar athlete.
Speaker 5: In the sport. Right She transferred to Texas Tech for
Speaker 5: a million dollars, and.
Speaker 14: We can talk about how an Il is affecting collegiate
Speaker 14: athletics perhaps for another decade, but with the way that
Speaker 14: she is playing right now, she truly is one of
Speaker 14: the most dominant players in our game. And one of
Speaker 14: the reasons she went to Texas Tech was so that
Speaker 14: she could hit two because she's good on both sides
Speaker 14: of the ball, and when she was at Stanford she
Speaker 14: didn't really hit.
Speaker 5: So is she the face of our game?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Right now, she definitely is.
Speaker 14: But she made a huge mistake last night by not
Speaker 14: knowing how to throw a pitch out to be able
Speaker 14: to intentionally walk a batter and reseat would take advantage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was very bizarre.
Speaker 3: Even when the other pitches, the first two that were close,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, what's she doing because the catcher didn't really
Speaker 3: go for her outside and think, what is she doing
Speaker 3: that's hittable? And then lo and behold that third pitch
Speaker 3: was like, holy crap.
Speaker 14: Well, when you think about it, that's not something she's
Speaker 14: had to work on. She has intentionally walked three people
Speaker 14: in three years. So it's not a skill that she
Speaker 14: unfortunately has been using regularly. Because she's so dominant in
Speaker 14: the circle, she usually attacks everyone. So when that call
Speaker 14: was made last night, not only was she unprepared, but
Speaker 14: so was her catcher. Her catcher didn't didn't give her
Speaker 14: the correct location either to be able to throw that ball.
Speaker 5: In the right spot.
Speaker 14: And reefe Atwood is one of the best catchers in
Speaker 14: the country and just a junior has another year to
Speaker 14: go at Texas. But when you watched the way that
Speaker 14: she was watching how Nijerie Kennedy was throwing her, she
Speaker 14: swung at a three and zero pitch like that was
Speaker 14: supposed to.
Speaker 5: Be ball four, put her on and because of that,
Speaker 5: the defenses on their heels. This is what allowed that
Speaker 5: ball to get through.
Speaker 14: If they were playing that regular Nigerie cannedy defense behind her,
Speaker 14: they would have gotten that ground ball and gotten out
Speaker 14: of the inning.
Speaker 5: But they were all waiting on their heels for her
Speaker 5: to just take the walk.
Speaker 14: And so I appreciate how aggressive refat was was and
Speaker 14: her ability to stay on top of her rise ball,
Speaker 14: but she wasn't throwing with the same velocity either right, Like,
Speaker 14: if she throws that pitch at seventy three seventy four
Speaker 14: miles an hour like she had been humming them in there,
Speaker 14: that's a much different at that. But when she's just
Speaker 14: when she's let off and is just throwing maybe sixty
Speaker 14: four or sixty five. I actually wasn't looking at the
Speaker 14: velocities on those, but she took off, she took her
Speaker 14: foot off the pedal, took some velocity off of it,
Speaker 14: made it a hitable velocity and in a hittable zone.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, she opened herself up to a
Speaker 5: big loss.
Speaker 2: Right, So if you're I'm playing like armchair quarterback here, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that, and you're going eight? Was that a
Speaker 2: coaching error? I mean, if I have a number one pitcher,
Speaker 2: why don't I let her go? Like, let her go,
Speaker 2: let her throw.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I appreciate wanting to throw, like, let her just
Speaker 14: like take the reins and go. That was one of
Speaker 14: those players that's a little bit scary. And you had
Speaker 14: first base open because they stole like after the first pitch.
Speaker 14: It was the first and third situation, and they stole
Speaker 14: the runner at first the second, so first base was open.
Speaker 14: They were intentionally walking her anyway, and the hitter behind her,
Speaker 14: Julie Mitchell, only had three home runs on the year.
Speaker 14: I would much rather throw to Julie Mitchell than I
Speaker 14: would to Reef that would so I appreciate that coaching
Speaker 14: decision to put her on. However, if you have not
Speaker 14: practiced that skill, you're in big trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we saw that last night.
Speaker 3: And not to disregard the Texas pitcher because she was
Speaker 3: fantastic as well, and obviously two of the best teams
Speaker 3: out there, you know, and in my mind the Tennessee
Speaker 3: pitcher may be the better.
Speaker 2: Of all of them.
Speaker 14: Well, and it's hard to say, right because Carlin Pickens
Speaker 14: at Tennessee has now the fastest recorded pitch in the
Speaker 14: history of our sport. It's being said that the equivalent
Speaker 14: of her seventy nine mile an hour pitch is equivalent
Speaker 14: to one hundred and eleven mile an hour Major League fasketball.
Speaker 14: So we've not seen that in baseball. So you can't
Speaker 14: say softball is an easy sport. I challenge anybody to
Speaker 14: face Carlin Pickens to tell me that softball is an
Speaker 14: easy sport. But when you look at the way teague
Speaker 14: in Cavan, the picture for Texas has been throwing at
Speaker 14: the end of her season, She's done such a good
Speaker 14: job of trusting her defense, probably the last through the
Speaker 14: postseason and maybe the last couple games of like during
Speaker 14: the SEC tournament. Her ERA during that span was over seven.
Speaker 14: Like it was like seven point three to three or
Speaker 14: something like that. And so after super Regionals or after
Speaker 14: Regionals heading into super Regionals, she took a step back
Speaker 14: and I think realized she needed to trust her defense
Speaker 14: more and stop putting all the pressure on herself to
Speaker 14: be a strikeout pitcher, and in doing so has relaxed
Speaker 14: in the circle, is throwing more efficiently, hitting her spots,
Speaker 14: trusting her defense, and all of a sudden, you're seeing
Speaker 14: a very dominant Texas team now able to score runs
Speaker 14: and play better. They're starting shortstop in the fall to
Speaker 14: an ACL injury, and with that it created some waves
Speaker 14: defensively for them. They've made more errors than they have
Speaker 14: in the past, and with those errors it gives you
Speaker 14: moments of pause, right Like as a pitcher, you have
Speaker 14: to hold your breath at times if you know you're
Speaker 14: going to throw a hitable pitch that's going to yield
Speaker 14: the ground ball to the left side.
Speaker 5: You think, is it going to be an out or
Speaker 5: is it going to be an error? And they moved that.
Speaker 14: Stuart, who is now playing and left was playing shortstop,
Speaker 14: and she made some critical errors in their Super Regional
Speaker 14: that made them actually lose a game to Clemson and
Speaker 14: pushed it to the if necessary third game. They made
Speaker 14: the change to move Leanne Good into the shortstop slot
Speaker 14: and move the shortstop Stewart into left field, and that's
Speaker 14: made all the difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, be remiss to not to ask you about the juve.
Speaker 3: I thought Clinton had a fantastic year. When you go
Speaker 3: forty eight and thirteen, it's a very very good year.
Speaker 3: And now we have all these transfers. It's happening in
Speaker 3: other places. But what are your thoughts on what's going
Speaker 3: on here?
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, if you want to play for a
Speaker 14: quality coach at a quality school and have a great
Speaker 14: fan base, Tucson is the place to be. Love Arizona
Speaker 14: obviously I chose it myself, But if you're a home
Speaker 14: run hitter, it's where you want to go because the
Speaker 14: ball flies and you get to track a whole lot
Speaker 14: more left turns in your career by hitting at Arizona But.
Speaker 5: More than that, you've got you've got graduation, which.
Speaker 14: Really hit Arizona hard. It really hit the pitching staff
Speaker 14: hard with graduation. Losing Branda Soddard and Devin Nets difficult, right,
Speaker 14: But then you've got the transfers that hit on top
Speaker 14: of it, and obviously everywhere you have to re recruit
Speaker 14: your staff every single year because the transfer portal has
Speaker 14: become just a hotbed and everybody's looking for where they
Speaker 14: can go and put their hand out and ask for money.
Speaker 14: I'm not sure that this is the land. I mean,
Speaker 14: this may be the last year that you can do
Speaker 14: that because of the the rulings of the house that
Speaker 14: are going to be coming out and changing the way
Speaker 14: that nil is done and profit and revenue sharing is
Speaker 14: going to change the way that the money looks in
Speaker 14: the athlete's hands. But I don't know that the transfers
Speaker 14: that you're seeing out of Arizona are a bad thing.
Speaker 14: Sometimes you do need to shake things up, and not
Speaker 14: to say that any of them are bad seeds, but
Speaker 14: sometimes a culture is created that you need to shake
Speaker 14: it up a little bit. And Caitlin Lowe is such
Speaker 14: a good coach. She has established such a great coaching staff.
Speaker 14: It hurts my heart when I see the when I
Speaker 14: see the I'm gonna just call them twitter trolls.
Speaker 5: I'm old, but that come on and bad.
Speaker 14: Mouth the coaching staff because, like to your point, it's
Speaker 14: hard to be an armchair quarter or a just a
Speaker 14: what's it called an armchair quarterback?
Speaker 5: Cude, thank you, I'm like, it doesn't sound right, and
Speaker 5: share quarterback when you can look back on, oh, you
Speaker 5: should have done this.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's easy to see everything in the rear view
Speaker 14: mirror a little bit differently. But moving through a season
Speaker 14: like this, they had a fantastic year. They just ran
Speaker 14: into an old miss team that caught fire there at
Speaker 14: the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. And then now, what are you up to?
Speaker 2: I know you're in Chicago.
Speaker 5: I am. I'm in Chicago.
Speaker 14: I am at the inaugural AUSL, which is the Athletes
Speaker 14: Unlimited Softball League, which has been endorsed by MLB. They've
Speaker 14: invested into this professional softball league. I'm the general manager
Speaker 14: for the Bandits. My head coach is Stacynuveman. Denise who
Speaker 14: was the all time home run queen for over a decade. Now,
Speaker 14: granted she was a Bruin and I'm a wildcat, and
Speaker 14: usually those two things don't mix, but we have chosen
Speaker 14: to put our past behind us and join forces for good.
Speaker 14: But I mean, Stacey's such a good coach. Four teams
Speaker 14: in the league. We've got the games starting this weekend.
Speaker 5: I heard that Joe Torre isn't going to be in
Speaker 5: the house at our.
Speaker 14: Games this weekend here in Chicago. We've also got two
Speaker 14: teams that are starting their season in Wichita. So it's
Speaker 14: a barn storming tour this year of four teams all
Speaker 14: around the country, and then next year we'll be expanding
Speaker 14: to six teams settling in markets all across the country.
Speaker 14: And just really excited to see the way that these
Speaker 14: athletes are being treated like finally treated like professionals, with
Speaker 14: teams of support staff all around them. And every time
Speaker 14: I turn around, I think, well, maybe this is my.
Speaker 5: Job as a GM. I realized, Nope, there's somebody already
Speaker 5: in that position. I don't even have to worry about it.
Speaker 14: So I'm just so encouraged by the way that it's
Speaker 14: being supported and the endorsement of MLB and actually the
Speaker 14: financial backing they became. Like I think, if I read
Speaker 14: the article right, twenty five percent partners in the league.
Speaker 14: So with that kind of support and backing, it's just
Speaker 14: bodes well for the future of our sport that has
Speaker 14: seemed to just taken the country by storm. Everybody seems
Speaker 14: to love the game, and not just those that played
Speaker 14: it are. My boss at ESPN created a shirt for
Speaker 14: us that says, there's those that love softball and those
Speaker 14: who just don't know it yet, and so I think
Speaker 14: that's that's kind of.
Speaker 5: Where the country is at it.
Speaker 14: You're going to probably see higher viewership of the champ
Speaker 14: Series in Oklahoma City over that the NBA game tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, I'll be one of those.
Speaker 3: In fact, I saw a shot of the stadium, the
Speaker 3: overall shot of the stadium, and I'm thinking that wasn't
Speaker 3: the stadium I went to a ninety one when you
Speaker 3: guys are winning the first row.
Speaker 5: No, definitely not. It has added on layers.
Speaker 14: There's no more green berms. Now on the side, You've
Speaker 14: got stadiums all around. Yeah, that place is amazing and
Speaker 14: I'm so grateful. I was a little bit worried with
Speaker 14: Oklahoma or Oklahoma State not in the finals, would they
Speaker 14: really fill the stadium?
Speaker 5: And you know, what they're showing up.
Speaker 12: They did.
Speaker 5: It's the best softball in the country.
Speaker 2: Right, Jenny, appreciate your time. Thank you, good luck than
Speaker 2: you you too, thank you, great stuff, great stuff GM GM.
Speaker 3: I need a title like that. We'll talk about that later.
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Speaker 2: Sports een fifty, Welcome back to.
Speaker 3: One of about here Fox Sports fourteenth of the I'm
Speaker 3: Steve Rivera. You or Andy Brown got ray with us,
Speaker 3: been helping us finish off the show here they thanks
Speaker 3: to Jenny Dalton.
Speaker 2: Jenny's a very impressive lady. Yeah, yeah, that's I was
Speaker 2: reading up. She's still she still holds some records and
Speaker 2: Packed twelve Kids Packed twelve and n C double A
Speaker 2: and for R rby eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was during the tough time when the
Speaker 3: balls weren't flying that there now oh yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 3: is some great some great former players here. Yes, and
Speaker 3: now there's a few of them, you know, doing TV
Speaker 3: our her a couple more probably.
Speaker 2: Well, when you played at the best program for in
Speaker 2: the nineties, you have some credibility. And I still believe.
Speaker 3: I still believe this, and I know that people at
Speaker 3: you maybe if they listen to me, that because they
Speaker 3: were allowed to speak to the media openly and freely
Speaker 3: and communicate like you know, Richard and Steve and all
Speaker 3: these guys you know JT they were, and Richard Jefferson
Speaker 3: that they were. They learned, they learned how to be
Speaker 3: in front of the media, talk like the media. Now
Speaker 3: they become us, you know. Now it's like you go
Speaker 3: behind a podium and send the podium five minutes and
Speaker 3: then you're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I know I talk about that party too much,
Speaker 2: but to me it means something. They're more accessible than
Speaker 2: than the Oh, without question, yeah, you feel we went
Speaker 2: to I won't use that for to go into the
Speaker 2: locker room with you guys, right we yea, you know
Speaker 2: afterwards everybody come in Now, you guys select to they
Speaker 2: go down the hallway. Well, you're walking with them, don't you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're protecting them from the coach.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The coach goes that, who's he walk He's bogging Sean Miller. No,
Speaker 2: I don't do that. I have a guy does that, Jerry.
Speaker 2: Jerry escorts coach around. It's kind of superstitious.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Those coaches they get to their their methods, their methods,
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, what are you doing. You're changing
Speaker 2: my guy. I'm like, he's sick. I'm not changing. He's
Speaker 2: just he needs a break. I mean, yeah, Jerry. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: Jerry's sick. Oh no, it's like I deflated the ball
Speaker 2: or something like that. You're still playing on the basketball.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. It's like looting his superstitions with
Speaker 2: the popcorn. Oh yeah, popcorn. We did I told you,
Speaker 2: I did a. I did a. I did a paper
Speaker 2: on that in one of my psychology classes about superstition
Speaker 2: and how it's not really superstition, it's you getting in
Speaker 2: the right frame of mind to play your best ball.
Speaker 2: So you go through your process, and if you're not
Speaker 2: doing your process, you don't feel like you've prepared right,
Speaker 2: and you just feel off. So what do you feel
Speaker 2: about superstitious fans? Superstitious fans with him? With him? That's
Speaker 2: another paper. I have to sit in that chair, I
Speaker 2: have to watch it from that that angle. I have
Speaker 2: to have this that and that was your extra credit paper. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well the popcorn, right, and then you have some gum.
Speaker 2: Didn't you miss up gum? No? I didn't mess up gumb.
Speaker 2: Nobody he always had. You had red gum or blue gum.
Speaker 2: And he basically you would yell down down the bench
Speaker 2: to me what color I want? Like, hey, Brown, I'm
Speaker 2: like yes, coach Blue. I'm like, okay, Blue, I bring
Speaker 2: a blue stick and go right. Yeah coach, No, you're
Speaker 2: not going in give me the blue gud. No, that's
Speaker 2: the first game, he said Brown, And I jumped up
Speaker 2: like I was going in because we're up like thirty
Speaker 2: two minutes left in the game. I was like, it's
Speaker 2: got to be my turn. I jump up and he's
Speaker 2: like red and I'm like, god, dang it. I turn
Speaker 2: around and coaches like, no, no, no, I'm just messling
Speaker 2: you go in. Did you do that?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't have that sense of humor because he
Speaker 2: was dry. He was right, and I didn't see it,
Speaker 2: and the guys told me it was gonna happen, but
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't see it. Actually had your
Speaker 2: your right uniform. Oh, I had everything ready to go.
Speaker 2: I just didn't get taped. I usually didn't get tape
Speaker 2: for games you were was getting in, especially the Michigan
Speaker 2: game when we got in. Yeah, I wasn't tape. I
Speaker 2: barely have my shorts on. I'm like, should I put
Speaker 2: shorts on underneath these warm ups? Yeah? Better kiss in case.
Speaker 2: I think there was a time or two when someone didn't. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was before me. They warned me, right, you should
Speaker 2: always have your shorts on in case. Yeah, but that's yeah.
Speaker 2: I haven't even got told that. You're probably not gonna play,
Speaker 2: So we're not gonna put tape on you because we
Speaker 2: got a budget. Do you want to I'm a practice.
Speaker 2: Can you wear braces instead of getting tap? Its like,
Speaker 2: no tape cuts this money for you to get at
Speaker 2: the game. It's like, I'm still practicing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're gonna have just the last minute to
Speaker 3: add to the show. I didn't have him on the
Speaker 3: social Pete Williams come on at four seventeen, a good
Speaker 3: friend of ours. Uh, one of the more one of
Speaker 3: the greatest guys ever. Got your lot for the ludols
Speaker 3: in camp. But just eccentric because we all hell too.
Speaker 3: In the last Spy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he he commands the room when he walks in,
Speaker 2: he just has that presence about him and it's yeah,
Speaker 2: you want to be and you want to listen to
Speaker 2: what he says. And I liked watching the this last
Speaker 2: two years. When he sits down in front of him
Speaker 2: and starts talking about, you know what we did, how
Speaker 2: we laid this out for.
Speaker 3: We explained that because Tommy has brought some of you guys,
Speaker 3: the guys in to talk about the history of the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were what nine or ten of us stand
Speaker 2: sitting in front of the whole group. And and Pete's
Speaker 2: the guy that led to charge, right, He's the guy
Speaker 2: that came out and said, listen, the reason why you're
Speaker 2: sitting in these nice chairs, and the reason why you
Speaker 2: have this nice locker room, the reason why you have
Speaker 2: those nice shoes is because of us up here, the
Speaker 2: ones that brought it first. So you're not we don't
Speaker 2: expect you to play for us. We want you to
Speaker 2: play for the guys ten years from now, the guys
Speaker 2: that come in after you, you're playing for them like
Speaker 2: we played for you. And I just like I almost cry.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, Like what was I doing then?
Speaker 2: Was heading out gum? So yeah, guy, it better be
Speaker 2: a good gum passer out our guy that water. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I've known that story, but I didn't know to
Speaker 3: that extent. We'll ask Pete to talk about that. But
Speaker 3: I knew that Tommy had gotten you know, some of
Speaker 3: the guys that were here for Lukeke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's big kudos to tell me about that,
Speaker 2: bringing guys back right to teach and to keep that
Speaker 2: culture going of it's it's it's Arizona basketball right right right.
Speaker 3: Well, Sean didn't erase the past. No, no, for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: you know, he just didn't. And because we had you
Speaker 3: guys in with him too, and he he didn't do that.
Speaker 3: But Tommy, you know, Tommy goes to the event every
Speaker 3: now and again, yeah, and mingles with the guys and
Speaker 3: you know he knows you guys are important, No, he is.
Speaker 2: And then and that's I think that was what was
Speaker 2: missing between Lute and Tommy. That was kind of that
Speaker 2: was missing a lot. Yeah, because obviously Lute loved you
Speaker 2: guys and he loved seeing you guys come back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The biggest I think the biggest kudos are the most
Speaker 2: impressed me the most when Tommy came was the zoom
Speaker 2: that he had with just the players ex players, Right,
Speaker 2: he invited players and managers and guys that and we
Speaker 2: did a zoom. He goes, this is players only. You
Speaker 2: guys can ask me whatever you want. He goes, I'm
Speaker 2: just asking you give me a chance. Because there had
Speaker 2: been some concerns, Yeah, that he was not the guy
Speaker 2: because some other guys thinking, who all, Yeah, he's an outsider. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Pete was a big part of that as well.
Speaker 2: I'm giving his candid response endorsement. But he also asked
Speaker 2: the tough questions, right, So that was that was ideal
Speaker 2: for a coach coming in to say, Hey, what do
Speaker 2: you guys need to see from me? As alumni and
Speaker 2: as guys that built this program, Right, what do you
Speaker 2: need to see from me? Because all I'm asking is
Speaker 2: you give me a chance. Right, And he's done a
Speaker 2: pretty good job. And he also said, if you come
Speaker 2: into town and to come visit and you don't knock
Speaker 2: on my door. I'll be pissed because I want you
Speaker 2: back here, and I asked you to do one thing.
Speaker 2: Is that bring me a story. Bring me a story
Speaker 2: from when you played. Something I can pass on you
Speaker 2: the kids coming in, like why Arizona is such a
Speaker 2: great place. I want to be able to tell these
Speaker 2: kids coming in why Arizona is a problem. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And he's got good, good people, you know, Gamon, Josh
Speaker 3: and these guys who can tell those stories. Ohne, Steve
Speaker 3: Kurrz obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, you get those guys together though, Pete
Speaker 2: and his boys, Joe, Joe Turner and those guys got
Speaker 2: great story. Yeah, well, Joe Turner the story before there
Speaker 2: was social media. Oh my god. Those guys are like,
Speaker 2: if we had social media, we be in jail, probably
Speaker 2: still writing stories about it. Is something over there. And
Speaker 2: it was public already.
Speaker 3: Sewan and Sean and Joe were Shawn and a C
Speaker 3: were driving the car right your car and flipped the
Speaker 3: car and got.
Speaker 2: It after and he looks at me.
Speaker 3: You knew what that? Yeah, of course you knew about it.
Speaker 3: But it became public. He was in the papers and stuff.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, yeh. Yeah, but yeah, those guys
Speaker 2: could write books. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you
Speaker 2: think I'm still trying? Oh yeah, you know some of
Speaker 2: those inside stories you got the tip of the Iceberg books.
Speaker 2: There's stuff that we'll all take to our great It's
Speaker 2: funny with some people. I've had two complaints at least
Speaker 2: one for sure. They said, Rivera, I have one complaint
Speaker 2: about your book is up? How come you didn't write
Speaker 2: more more? I can't even fit so much twenty five guys.
Speaker 2: You can get twenty five more players talking about crazy stuff,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, the problem is we don't. We don't
Speaker 2: go too crazy with the stories though. We kind of
Speaker 2: keep those in the house. But those are the fun times.
Speaker 2: You get to back together and it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: decades you played or what year you played under Loot,
Speaker 2: you still have similar stories. But it was still a
Speaker 2: culture and you have a brotherhood and that's what's cool.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you did pass out gum or
Speaker 2: you scored fifty, right, you're still belonging that brotherhood. And
Speaker 2: that's the fun part. Yeah, meeting guys and talking to
Speaker 2: guys nowadays, it's fun. I mean, it's just it's a
Speaker 2: golden years you look back on sure, no, no, And
Speaker 2: then Pete's exactly right.
Speaker 3: I mean, had it not been for him, the Craig McMillan's,
Speaker 3: the Steve Kerrz, the Sean Elliotts, Kenny Loftons, those guys,
Speaker 3: this thing would never have happened, Especially Pete.
Speaker 2: You know, Pizza cornerstone. To me, he's a cornerstone first.
Speaker 3: And you know, Craig is the first McDonald's all American,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden in eighty eight, the magic kind.
Speaker 2: Of just came about. Craig is no nonsense guy too.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, but he's yeah, he is. I mean, just
Speaker 2: another level of athletes, right. I hang out with a
Speaker 2: guy named John Fiena. You know John, He's got a
Speaker 2: different level of competitiveness. Yeah, even on a golf on
Speaker 2: a golf of course, You're just like, I can see
Speaker 2: why you were in NFL. Yeah, there is, there's a
Speaker 2: different gear level. There's a different gear, a different gear
Speaker 2: or the mentality right now. Yes, and you're like, that's
Speaker 2: that was missing in my game. Dang it, you were
Speaker 2: too nice. It was nice.
Speaker 3: Yeahs doesn't win, man, it wins, but you know, it
Speaker 3: wins to a degree.
Speaker 2: And then you said, you know gets you on the bench.
Speaker 2: Though he guess what color My ring was the same
Speaker 2: color as everybody else. It's your red and blue. We
Speaker 2: gotta go come back and talk about breaking new