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Speaker 2: about the weird and wonderful world of the dark comedy
Speaker 2: anthology series Inside number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheersmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
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Speaker 1: Tiring? First day back? Yeah? Yeah, So I'm update for
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Speaker 1: my first day back after Christmas, and I'm leaving in
Speaker 1: a few weeks. And let's just say today cemented that
Speaker 1: I'm pretty glad I'm leaving. You reade the right choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exciting times ahead, Yeah, hopefully. How long have you
Speaker 2: got left?
Speaker 1: Three and a half weeks? Not long? That's good. Now,
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Speaker 2: over Christmas, which feel battling through, but we're nearly there.
Speaker 2: We'll by the end of this week we back up
Speaker 2: to normal cool.
Speaker 1: Last week's hair was love is a Stranger It just
Speaker 1: shows like love is a stranger thing than anything else
Speaker 1: in this world, even if it is for a bloody
Speaker 1: football club. Did you spot it? Nicely done?
Speaker 2: I didn't actually spot it. Now there will be another
Speaker 2: one somewhere in today's episode.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye out, of course, as always.
Speaker 2: And today we are back with episode two of series five.
Speaker 2: Quite a big one. I feel death be not proud.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: The summary from Instavnum nine wiki. Young couple Beat and
Speaker 2: Sam are finally on the property ladder, but the only
Speaker 2: flat that they can afford has a darkened, sinister past,
Speaker 2: one that demands to be heard. This episode of the
Speaker 2: crossover seaquel to Shearsmith and Peberton's previous projects. Indeed, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess we get it out the way immediately. So
Speaker 2: for people that haven't seen it, this is a return
Speaker 2: of two characters to very popular characters from their previous
Speaker 2: series Psychovill Yeah, which I believe you've seen as well.
Speaker 1: I have. Now, I was going to bring this up
Speaker 1: the fact that obviously, you know, when they made this,
Speaker 1: there's an element of some people will have seen psycho Villains.
Speaker 1: Some people won't. Yeah, And when I was first watching
Speaker 1: through Inside Number nine, i'd not seen it.
Speaker 2: No, and I debated with you how much I should
Speaker 2: tell you in advance, and like whether I should say anything.
Speaker 2: I'll just let you see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you told me anything, did you know?
Speaker 1: I don't think I did. And from what I remember,
Speaker 1: I still enjoyed it. I mean, having gone back and
Speaker 1: watched Psychoville since I think it's enriched it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think it still works even if you haven't seen it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they sort of tell you everything you need to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of obviously little nin jokes that
Speaker 2: you probably wouldn't get. Yeah, but yeah, Inside of Nine
Speaker 2: I think was the first of their works that I saw.
Speaker 2: But by the time of this series, I think I
Speaker 2: had already gone back and watched the Gentlemen' Psychoville, so
Speaker 2: I didn't know about them obviously. And that moment when
Speaker 2: the door opens and the music and the theremin kicks
Speaker 2: in or whatever it is, yeah, like oh wow, because
Speaker 2: I hadn't had it spoiled for me at all. I
Speaker 2: think this is when I watched live. Yeah, it was awesome, fantastic,
Speaker 2: But we're jumping ahead, we're jumping ahead.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah. I was curious as to why why
Speaker 1: they chose to do this though, Why they chose to
Speaker 1: bring back two characters from another show. Well, I sort
Speaker 1: of have answers. Ah.
Speaker 2: So apparently their plan they'd always thought the crux of
Speaker 2: the story being wouldn't it be interesting to have a
Speaker 2: story about someone that moves into a flat where some
Speaker 2: serial killers lived, and like I think it was Steed
Speaker 2: had grown up like in close proximity to where Dennis
Speaker 2: Nielsen had lived and apparently used to walk past this
Speaker 2: house and wonder like what the subsequent occupants of this
Speaker 2: house would think? Mmm, and like, yeah, you've got a bargain.
Speaker 2: But you also know that people died here horribly and
Speaker 2: that's sort of spark the episode.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And then they kept going on the line, you know,
Speaker 2: working it out, and they were like, well, we've got
Speaker 2: to come up with who the serial killers are? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then they were like, well we've got some. They
Speaker 2: were like, okay, this would work. And apparently the line
Speaker 2: of get that baby boiled was what sold into them
Speaker 2: when they came up with that, Yeah, and they were like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: we've got to do it now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I suppose because obviously Psychoville got kind of
Speaker 1: terminated and not renewed when they had ideas of what
Speaker 1: they wanted to do. So I think maybe this gave
Speaker 1: them the chance to. Yeah, they explore some of that.
Speaker 2: There was always the plan apparently that David and Emily
Speaker 2: would end up together have a baby. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: it's nice they got to sort of carry on in
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 1: Yes, So should we kind of go from the beginning then, yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably should because so we've got, you know, this
Speaker 1: nice young couple being sam sweet couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, moving into the recently renumbered number two to number nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, is that how realistic is that
Speaker 1: to be people do that?
Speaker 2: Oh no, but I think I remember them saying somewhere
Speaker 2: on an interview or something that they'd gone back and
Speaker 2: looked and hoped against Hopia would have been a nine
Speaker 2: by chance.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately it wasn't. It's just a bit like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a stretch that they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, because of what happened, they had to change
Speaker 1: all the numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone in the whole building now lives in a
Speaker 2: different flat exactly. Yeah, the confusion with people turning up
Speaker 2: and knocking on the wrong doors later, Yeah, for the
Speaker 2: next six six months, Grandma's two flows down because you
Speaker 2: don't know where you live anymore. I identified so hard
Speaker 2: with the like bagging the nail in the wall, like can.
Speaker 1: You do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we owned the thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Yeah, she's quite a sweet character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they both are. Actually I buy them as a couple.
Speaker 2: I mean you don't get to see them together for
Speaker 2: very long. No, there's not many scenes where they're actually together.
Speaker 1: But no, it's sort of a fake one in a way,
Speaker 1: Like not fake, but you think the whole story is
Speaker 1: going to be just about them. Yeah, and you've got
Speaker 1: no idea that it's this other thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They said that they're trying to treated it a bit
Speaker 2: of a Janet Leey situation in Psycho that they build
Speaker 2: Jenna Coleman as being this main character and it kind
Speaker 2: of isn't really that much to do with her, and
Speaker 2: used that to mask what the real story was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because they desperately tried to keep the actual story a secret.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Apparently it did leak though, because of some Chinese YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: Oh you coup the Chinese YouTube. They did their own
Speaker 2: Inside and nine trailer for the series airing, knowing that
Speaker 2: needed to be kept secret. I see, and they tried
Speaker 2: to keep it like hushed it up. But yeah, they'd
Speaker 2: try and really push the pictures of Jenna Coleman and stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because especially I guess.
Speaker 2: Around this time she'd have been in Doctor Who not
Speaker 2: long since she was still probably riding that a bit
Speaker 2: in the public consciousness. But apparently because obviously they recent
Speaker 2: her had worked together in Sleep No More, of course,
Speaker 2: and she'd said that she was a big fan, so
Speaker 2: they'd managed to her. Oh nice, find an episode for.
Speaker 1: Her, that's nice, yeah, lovely? Yeah yeah, an episode that
Speaker 1: you're hard. Yeah. Well I did see as well that
Speaker 1: Steve was saying that for any sort of super fans
Speaker 1: and eagle eyed people, when the titles get released and
Speaker 1: you know that it's called death being not Proud, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a chance for you to work it out
Speaker 1: if you know the famous scene in Psychoville, Yeah, which
Speaker 1: gets replicated here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to sound really bad, like I have
Speaker 2: watched Psychoville, but it's that long ago that I'm struggling
Speaker 2: to remember everything about it.
Speaker 1: I've only watched it once same as well. I watched
Speaker 1: it probably about a year ago. I think I watched
Speaker 1: one episode today to sort of refresh myself a little bit.
Speaker 1: The rope one, Yeah, that is a great which apparently
Speaker 1: was the kind of catalyst for the whole series of
Speaker 1: Insnumber nine, wasn't it doing something in one? Yeah? One room?
Speaker 1: It's nice.
Speaker 2: It's sort of come full circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, anyway, so spooky stuff starts happening to
Speaker 1: be Am.
Speaker 2: I reading too much into it that it being four
Speaker 2: fourteen adds.
Speaker 1: Up to nine? Are you what was four fourteen?
Speaker 2: That's when the clock show is four fourteen on earth
Speaker 2: alarm clock. When she wakes up and crap happens.
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, but actually probably not. You probably
Speaker 1: aren't reading too much into it. Yeah, probably they needed
Speaker 1: a time. They thought, I'll make the digit set up
Speaker 1: to nine. Why not. Yeah. So this is one that
Speaker 1: obviously on a first watch, is completely different to when
Speaker 1: you know what's going on, Because on a first watch,
Speaker 1: I think all that spooky stuff happening to her in
Speaker 1: the night is quite terrifying. Yeah, but when you actually
Speaker 1: know what's happening, and you know the character that's coming
Speaker 1: so stupid, it's kind of funny, like the ping rolling
Speaker 1: down the corridor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really know why the hoover's on the table.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing there's some reference that I can't remember. I
Speaker 2: don't know one little nippick. Why is the I CGI
Speaker 2: that's rolling down the hallway? M I don't know why
Speaker 2: it needs to be And it's so jarring for me
Speaker 2: now every time I watch it, I'm like, why is
Speaker 2: this really obviously CGI eyeball ping.
Speaker 1: Pong pole rolling down the hallway?
Speaker 2: Because I was watching the second time, second re watch
Speaker 2: a day and I was like, oh, well, maybe it's
Speaker 2: because they need it to end facing upwards or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they couldn't do it, but it doesn't. It just
Speaker 2: cuts while it's rolling. I don't know why they couldn't
Speaker 2: have done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, because it probably costs more to
Speaker 1: do it in CGI than you just roll a ping
Speaker 1: pong ball along the floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that shot costs fifteen p you've already got the
Speaker 2: ping pong.
Speaker 1: Who knows? Who knows? I don't know how much for
Speaker 1: listeners who haven't seen Psychoville Because they might not understand
Speaker 1: a lot of these references. But then I don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil anything. Wo, that's a good point to me
Speaker 1: that you go and watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll spoil what we absolutely have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get it on Amazon, I believe. Yeah, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would recommend it.
Speaker 2: Then Sam turns up and they have a little chat. Now,
Speaker 2: I want to know what that you are susceptible line means, well,
Speaker 2: what has happened in the past to them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What she done?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I have no idea what she might
Speaker 1: have done in the past, But I feel like it's
Speaker 1: there for two reasons, like obviously to give us a
Speaker 1: bit of foreshadowing for the end, and then also, like
Speaker 1: I was saying, like this, it's sort of like a
Speaker 1: slight fake out of a story that you think so
Speaker 1: that they think there's more going on than there actually is. Yeah. True,
Speaker 1: that's going to be explored before the other characters come in.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, susceptible to what susceptible to being possessed?
Speaker 1: I assume she's being possessed at something or been haunted. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've just moved out of the Amityville house.
Speaker 1: But the thing is he's he's really skeptical, like he
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in anything's going on. So does he just
Speaker 1: mean she's like gullible and suggestible and believes in all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Maybe that's what he means. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Yeah, maybe she's massively into tarot cards and
Speaker 2: mediums and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, he says they're going to get in
Speaker 1: touch with the previous owner, see if they can shed
Speaker 1: any light. Yeah, which, you know, give a what we
Speaker 1: find out later. I'm like, how how do they get
Speaker 1: in touch with the previous owner? Yeah? I don't know,
Speaker 1: and he comes very quickly as well.
Speaker 2: I don't want to find plot holes because I love
Speaker 2: this episode. Yeah, but there are a lot of weirdness
Speaker 2: of like, well, if they've just renumbered the flats, surely
Speaker 2: then the previous owner is this serial killer. That's the
Speaker 2: reason their house is cheaper.
Speaker 1: No, oh, I see what you mean, like that they've
Speaker 1: only just done it, so it must have just happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, surely the previous owner is the.
Speaker 1: It was about ten years ago that this all happened.
Speaker 1: I think so, because I think they did it in
Speaker 1: time in the timeline of when the actual show aired.
Speaker 2: But wouldn't you just think that the massively cheapened house
Speaker 2: would only really stand for the next seller, and then
Speaker 2: after that they brush it under the carpet and plhen
Speaker 2: it never happened and put it back up to its
Speaker 2: nobel price.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's been empty for all this time? Oh true? Maybe? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one wanted it, who knows. I have a question.
Speaker 1: I don't really understand why why her dinner looks like
Speaker 1: a face then turns the sausage around to make it smile.
Speaker 1: It's such a weird little bit. It's something I would do,
Speaker 1: something I would do. I always think of this.
Speaker 2: I was wondering, is it just coincidence that it looks
Speaker 2: like a face and then she's noticed it and she's
Speaker 2: gonna we'll correct that and turn the sausage around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, what's the point of putting it
Speaker 1: in the episode?
Speaker 2: Like I'm guessing it's, like you said, it is trying
Speaker 2: to build the being some sort of other plot and
Speaker 2: maybe she's a bit crazy or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, possibly, But it's so bizarre, isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's that hot and cold showers thing. Again, if
Speaker 2: you just had a creepy scene we'll have a joke
Speaker 2: here and light in the mood for a moment. I
Speaker 2: also imagine there's some runner somewhere cooking a sausage, trying
Speaker 2: to make it curl into a smiley face when it
Speaker 2: fetching of the pack. That's old. He's all cooked straight.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is the moment the reveal lock at
Speaker 1: the door.
Speaker 2: It's the fact that you already know who it is
Speaker 2: by the terrible haircut, terrible even turn. Yeah yeah, good
Speaker 2: old David's Towerbut yeah, this.
Speaker 1: Is very weird because the Psychoville universe. Obviously this takes
Speaker 1: place in the Psychoville universe. Yeah, and the characters in
Speaker 1: that are so cartoonish and like sketch characters, and we've
Speaker 1: had Beattie and Sam they feel so real. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's very strange when David comes in, and I feel
Speaker 1: like Steve's toned it down a bit for the for
Speaker 1: this scene, like he's playing a slightly realer version of David.
Speaker 1: Then you get in the flashbacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he is ten years older. Some shit's happened
Speaker 2: to him, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's it's just very funny that you've got
Speaker 1: these very real characters like Jenna Cormon is playing this
Speaker 1: really real woman and she's sitting there having this conversation
Speaker 1: like trying to act how she would act meeting this
Speaker 1: person in real life, like who is out of a
Speaker 1: sketch show basically, But yeah, I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: It is I'd say, I love this episode so much
Speaker 2: that I'm willing to overlook Oh yes, so many things
Speaker 2: to be like we got it, Like it doesn't work. Really,
Speaker 2: we have to accept a lot of things for this
Speaker 2: to really play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, should we talk about David a little bit as
Speaker 1: a character. He's a very interesting character, fun character.
Speaker 2: Bless him. He's so innocent but obviously not but so
Speaker 2: innocent as well.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's a child in a man's body essentially,
Speaker 1: isn't it. And I feel listeners drawing in their breath
Speaker 1: and thinking, oh god, here he's going to bang it
Speaker 1: bang has drum about this. But he's obviously an autistic stereotype,
Speaker 1: right to me? Okay, and you know I say stereotype,
Speaker 1: but like you know, people not dissimilar to this do exist.
Speaker 1: And obviously he's he's played for laughs largely, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a problem with that necessarily. But I
Speaker 1: just thought it was. It's funny, isn't it. How A
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the tropes that we laugh
Speaker 1: at and characters do come from neurodivergence, like his his
Speaker 1: complete misunderstanding of social norms, like when Emily gives him
Speaker 1: the smoothie and he just takes it and shuts the
Speaker 1: door in her face, and he takes things literally, like
Speaker 1: when you know, he says about his mum died and
Speaker 1: bees like, I'm so sorry, and he's like, well, it's
Speaker 1: not your fault. And obviously the hyperfixation and special interest
Speaker 1: in serial killers. Yeah, like it's I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's deliberate and intentional, but whether they deliberately thought where
Speaker 1: he's an autistic character or not, that is the kind
Speaker 1: of person that they're basing him on. So I just
Speaker 1: thought that was I just thought i'd call that out,
Speaker 1: yeah and say, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that tricky thing that it probably wouldn't work
Speaker 2: with certain characters. Like when you have it, you bring
Speaker 2: a character back from years ago and like then they're
Speaker 2: under modern lens and they're down to modern scrutiny. These
Speaker 2: don't feel too bad, but there certain characters that you
Speaker 2: couldn't bring back like I don't know if I can.
Speaker 2: They've gone into League of Gentlemen and you can't have
Speaker 2: Babs from the taxi. No, you can't know certain characters
Speaker 2: like that. It's awkward, yes, but I think they get
Speaker 2: away with it here just about Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not don't get me wrong. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that this is this is bad or anything that they've
Speaker 1: done anything wrong. I'm just I just wanted. I feel
Speaker 1: it's my duty as a recently diagnosed autistic person to
Speaker 1: sort of point out the traits that I noticed and
Speaker 1: be like, it's it's interesting how because so much you know,
Speaker 1: watching TV shows, so many of the characters that we
Speaker 1: find entertaining they do have neuro divergent traits. Like again
Speaker 1: I've mentioned before, I'm watching Buffy, one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 1: There's a character in that called Anya, who was a demon,
Speaker 1: a vengeance demon for a thousand years, and then she
Speaker 1: gets trapped in the body of a teenage girl and
Speaker 1: she has and she basically is to grow up living
Speaker 1: as a human. But she's this person who doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to be human, doesn't know how how to get
Speaker 1: along in the world. And it's like well, she's she's
Speaker 1: literally just like an autistic person. You know, she's far
Speaker 1: too blunt and too honest with people and they don't
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, I guess a lot of comedy is
Speaker 2: just subverting expectations and people doing things you don't expect
Speaker 2: them to do exactly, and that often ends up looking
Speaker 2: like or is I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and taking things literally, like so much humor
Speaker 1: just comes from taking things in the in the literal
Speaker 1: way rather than yeah. But yeah, he's a very entertaining character. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is he just doing that with his mouth? Or has
Speaker 1: he got any teeth in or anything?
Speaker 2: Oh? I assume they're not real.
Speaker 1: Oh he's got fake teeth in. But he's doing something
Speaker 1: with his mouth as well asn't he?
Speaker 2: Like you know, they all aren't they Emily? I don't
Speaker 2: know what the hell she's doing with.
Speaker 1: Her mouth, Emily. I love what she does with her
Speaker 1: mouth is constant, sort of.
Speaker 2: Like half of it's kind of like lost its hinge.
Speaker 2: It's just bless her. I don't think I've seen the
Speaker 2: actor in anything else, and I struggle to imagine her
Speaker 2: as a normal person. Yeah, I mean, so that character.
Speaker 1: Apparently she lives in La and she came back for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm assuming that means she's she's busy working as
Speaker 1: an actress over there. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I saw that, Yeah, that her and the
Speaker 2: so the director of this also directed all of Psychoville. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that both of them sort of fell over themselves
Speaker 2: to come back and do it, and that they were like,
Speaker 2: we'll move heaven and earth to make sure that we
Speaker 2: can be in it. Amazing, which, you know, testament to
Speaker 2: the show and how good an atmosphere it must have
Speaker 2: been working on it, which is really nice to hear.
Speaker 2: So many of these shows you find out were awful
Speaker 2: places to work on. It's nice to get the gang
Speaker 2: back together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I listened to the official podcast for this one and
Speaker 1: they were saying about how they had to get I
Speaker 1: had a different set designer from Psychoville, but the person
Speaker 1: had to kind of try and replicate the set from
Speaker 1: ten years previously with no there were no surviving plans
Speaker 1: to go on, so it was all just from watching
Speaker 1: the show and trying to recreate it and.
Speaker 2: Working out, well, the fridge is this high, and later
Speaker 2: therefore extrapolate Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it's seen.
Speaker 2: I guess there is a little bit like I was
Speaker 2: reading up on it and how they went into storage
Speaker 2: and god knows where you store these things, but apparently
Speaker 2: like the kitchen existed, that's the real kitchen, oh right,
Speaker 2: And the beds were real. They just somehow were still
Speaker 2: kept in storage so they could reuse them. But a
Speaker 2: lot of it obviously had to be made from scratch.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I sposed find It.
Speaker 2: Wild, that TV series from probably ten or more years
Speaker 2: before this still has some of it's set in storage somewhere.
Speaker 2: There must be so many warehouses full of literally old shit.
Speaker 2: That's just they're waiting that someone might possibly want need
Speaker 2: it one day, or they can sell it for a
Speaker 2: charity auction.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They do a great job though of like redressing it
Speaker 2: and you're not being able to tell that it's the
Speaker 2: same space, but when you know, it's kind of obvious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can see it's the same like floor plan
Speaker 1: and all that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Half my notes are just quotes that I really enjoy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my favorites is the did she make the smoothies in
Speaker 2: a blender?
Speaker 1: No, her name was Maurie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were more than flatmates. Yeah, you were
Speaker 2: mother and son.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well the rest of that scene questionable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So my partner Ben, who when I first started
Speaker 1: watching Inside Number nine, he watched the first couple of
Speaker 1: series with me and then he kind of said, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is for me, you can
Speaker 1: carry on with it on your own. So he hadn't
Speaker 1: seen this episode, but I rewatched it again just before
Speaker 1: recording to keep it refreshed for myself, and he was
Speaker 1: he was in the room doing bits and bobs, and
Speaker 1: he kept stopping what he was doing and looking around
Speaker 1: and being like, Okay, Yeah, it's one of those, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I did say, so this is probably one of the
Speaker 1: weirdest episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have an odd relationship they do.
Speaker 1: It's very worrying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously he's that we assume in the he's the
Speaker 2: bad one, but Maureene is by far worse.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's the cause of all of this. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been thinking, I don't know if I want to
Speaker 1: commit to this, but I think it's how I'm feeling
Speaker 1: right now. I will say that I think Maureen might
Speaker 1: be my favorite Reese character. Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the most removed from Reese as well. Yes,
Speaker 2: Like it's such a character, yes, and I buy her totally.
Speaker 1: Oh completely.
Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful cost like down to the padded
Speaker 2: ankles and lake.
Speaker 1: Oh god, the cankles. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: The horrible cardigan.
Speaker 1: Yes, one of my favorite lines is when she's you'll
Speaker 1: love this as well, I know. But when she's she's
Speaker 1: given him her recipes. You could do a carbon Rah
Speaker 1: spaghetti hoops in salad cream with a bag of frazzles
Speaker 1: mixed in. And for pudding you can add my New
Speaker 1: York Cheesecake Deamily Changle and a digestive. So funny, that's.
Speaker 2: Just what I'm having for all of time now. There's
Speaker 2: two recipes, the New.
Speaker 1: York Cheesecake Daily Triangle and a digestive. It's just so
Speaker 1: sort of graciously served up, you know. Before The thing
Speaker 1: is they're so weird and she is horrible to him
Speaker 1: a lot of points, but there's also a huge amount
Speaker 1: of love there. Oh yeah. Like it's quite touching at
Speaker 1: some points as well. Yeah, and like.
Speaker 2: Clearly how sad he is to be losing her and
Speaker 2: we find out she's caught cancer. Yes, she went out
Speaker 2: with wet hair.
Speaker 1: It's a funny turn of phrase, isn't it, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sweet, like he's worried about her, and
Speaker 2: obviously she's worried about him, that he has no life.
Speaker 1: Skills because she does everything for him. Yeah literally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did you count? Best to tell? You? Don't tell anyone,
Speaker 1: be prepared. I also love how you know, we're sort
Speaker 1: of getting in this introduction to Maureen in their relationship
Speaker 1: and she's she's going on about the serial killer and
Speaker 1: how she should have painted a silver vagina on my face,
Speaker 1: and then it just cuts the beauty, going like she
Speaker 1: sounds lovely. I've got to say something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say she sounds like sounds horrific. You're
Speaker 2: better off without her.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We also we haven't mentioned the Soldier Boy, which
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a thing, isn't it. They commit so
Speaker 1: hard to love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said he wanted to have the entire song.
Speaker 1: Apparently, So we also get the black lace at the
Speaker 1: end Superman and that one was in Psychophlle, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: But the Soldier Boy one was new for this, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: I think? But the reason being because that also has
Speaker 1: a reference. It's a Superman in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they will dance apparently to any song that
Speaker 2: has the word Superman in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so the reason for that is for
Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't know, is that so the psych of
Speaker 1: an episode I mentioned earlier that was based on rope
Speaker 1: the Alfred Hitchcock film, which is in turn based on
Speaker 1: a play for Patrick Hamilton Layers of the Onion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is a great play and one I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to direct but never got around to. But anyway, that
Speaker 1: is in turn based on a real life case of
Speaker 1: two students called Leopold and Loebe who were convinced that
Speaker 1: they could commit the perfect murder and sort of brag
Speaker 1: about it and get away with it, basically because they
Speaker 1: read a lot of Nietzsche and his idea of man
Speaker 1: and superman, and they thought they could be Superman or
Speaker 1: be better than man, and they were the best. That's
Speaker 1: a really rubbish explanation, but no, I didn't know that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, So that was a real life thing and
Speaker 1: that then inspired the play, which then inspired the Hitchcock film,
Speaker 1: which is famous for being for appearing to be all
Speaker 1: in one take. Yeah. And so the Superman why they
Speaker 1: chose the song Superman for them to dance too. I
Speaker 1: love learning new things.
Speaker 2: We've have to dance and through all the routines starting
Speaker 2: about in our year five Christmas parties.
Speaker 1: She's cool. Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 2: They play all those horrible, cheesy songs from back then,
Speaker 2: like Star Treking and all that sort of stuff. I
Speaker 2: think that had an action or a repeatable Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but yes, Steve said he wanted the entire song of
Speaker 2: Soldier Boy, but they could that. This is the most
Speaker 2: they thought they could get away with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but apparently they've released YouTube videos of themselves doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw they did it.
Speaker 2: I think was it at the BFI or somewhere that
Speaker 2: they were doing some interview on stage. I think it
Speaker 2: was at the BFI or somewhere like that, with a
Speaker 2: screening and answering questions. And yeah, there's a video of
Speaker 2: them doing that routine in suits of many people.
Speaker 1: Oh. I think that what I heard was that they
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them, but apparently they've also done the
Speaker 1: main character and in costume. Oh, just not connected to
Speaker 1: the show, but just uploaded randomly. I think that's what
Speaker 1: question and I got. Yeah, and yeah, you were saying
Speaker 1: about they've got a strange relationship, and I feel like
Speaker 1: we do have to kind of mention the toilet scene. Sorry, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to know how that ends.
Speaker 1: No, that was one bit Ben was watching and he
Speaker 1: was like, he basically came right out and said to me,
Speaker 1: are they incestuous?
Speaker 2: Well, there are other lines that imply things, So, yeah, what.
Speaker 1: About I was filling a hole where mum had been
Speaker 1: and something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the toilet scene is a good shortcut
Speaker 2: of they're really messed up.
Speaker 1: They're really messed up. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I think if this is sort of normal, what else
Speaker 2: is going on?
Speaker 1: Yes, But also I mean it's it's like it's very
Speaker 1: unsettling obviously, like because because David is so innocent and
Speaker 1: so at her mercy basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's fully taken advantage.
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't understand what's going on, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's just like, oh, thank You's draw No, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's the way makes eye contact with him.
Speaker 2: That's one of the life Skilty just doesn't have.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately not.
Speaker 2: But yeah, then we get to I don't think anything
Speaker 2: else happens before she dies, does it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember that this scene was a recreation of
Speaker 2: the scene from Psychoville. Apparently quite faithfully, just from a
Speaker 2: different camera angle.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I don't know why, what the what
Speaker 1: the need was to recreate it.
Speaker 2: I guess they needed the scene she died in to
Speaker 2: make the story work.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, But because because re said on the podcast
Speaker 1: he said he assumed they were just going to drop
Speaker 1: the footage in from Psychoville unless I guess it just
Speaker 1: didn't look enough camera quality, Maybe yeah, it would have
Speaker 1: been jarring. Maybe I'm guessing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Plus they all presumably now we'd look a
Speaker 2: bit younger in it and it'd be look weird, never
Speaker 2: mind the camera quality true, and it would show the
Speaker 2: setup as well potentially as being a bit yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, ye, lots of reasons then sorry, But yeah,
Speaker 1: this has one of the best, one of the best
Speaker 1: funniest jokes in it, and I can't believe. I mean,
Speaker 1: surely someone's made that joke before. It's so begging to
Speaker 1: be done. No pun intended, John did, David's John did. Yes.
Speaker 2: If those that aren't aware, it's the title of the
Speaker 2: episode comes from the title to the poem that David.
Speaker 1: Reads the last two lines.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Death be not Proud by John Donne
Speaker 2: because it is an odd title if you don't know
Speaker 2: where it comes from.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is, I suppose, Yeah, but yeah, I just
Speaker 1: think that joke is so perfectly crafted and set up,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Did you just make that up such a serious moment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And he's trying to be all philosophical.
Speaker 1: And also the way she dies like she's she's fairly
Speaker 1: with it, and then she suddenly just slumps.
Speaker 2: I must impart this grammatical information, and then that will
Speaker 2: be it.
Speaker 1: That will be me or my deathbed, I'll be correcting
Speaker 1: someone's grammar, which there did you just use? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: then we've got this sort of continuing sad music after
Speaker 1: the death over a montage of David trying to cope
Speaker 1: on his own, with some hilarious scenes of him put
Speaker 1: a potato in the microwave but it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Turn it on. Not only doesn't turn it on, thinks
Speaker 2: it only takes about three seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way he just tries to bite it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bless him. And there blood when he's cutting himself in.
Speaker 1: It is poor little face he needs looking after, doesn't he.
Speaker 1: Poor sausage sasage.
Speaker 2: So Emily comes around. I'd forgotten that she was in
Speaker 2: Taigerville as well, But Yeah, so, like you said earlier,
Speaker 2: knocks the door, thanks for the smoothie her face, and
Speaker 2: then the fact that she just knocks and he lets
Speaker 2: her in.
Speaker 1: It's like she doesn't react to that. Actually, no, exactly,
Speaker 1: That's what I think. Like she knows him and she
Speaker 1: understands him, and she's also probably on the spectrum, and
Speaker 1: so this is it's like a beautiful sort of autistic
Speaker 1: love story. You know, they share special interests together and
Speaker 1: they can just be themselves with each other. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: to our eyes, it's very weird and they're very weird people,
Speaker 1: but to each other, they don't seem weird, and I
Speaker 1: just think it's very sweet. It is quite sweet.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, from that point of view that they probably
Speaker 2: just found someone else that understands them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they can just be themselves. Yeah, mostly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they obviously have a shared interest in the macarb because
Speaker 1: they both in psychable. They both work for this murder
Speaker 1: mystery evening company, don't they.
Speaker 2: But don't think that the murders are realistic enough?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, they have great interactions and like we
Speaker 1: were saying, with her mouth, she kisses him and then
Speaker 1: she does this weird sort of ooh off to the
Speaker 1: side that was strange, so weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the teaching her about all the Jack the
Speaker 2: Ripper stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like how he his personality kind of changes
Speaker 1: when he gets really into his special interests and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, no, no, no, whoever it was was not
Speaker 1: considered one of the canonical five come on and again
Speaker 1: that there's something this episode does a lot is the
Speaker 1: kind of framing something as really sad and serious but
Speaker 1: actually being hilarious. Like again the montage of you need
Speaker 1: to move on with your life, pack away the things
Speaker 1: that around you, of your mum, and it's just the
Speaker 1: ping pong ball eyes like sadly you know it's time
Speaker 1: for them to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Like it's I don't know her most prized possessions,
Speaker 2: it's the probably were because you know, the little dress
Speaker 2: that she was christened in some family heirloom.
Speaker 1: No on them. I love in this scene.
Speaker 2: I hate a trope that's done loads of things, but
Speaker 2: the photo that changes from being happy to unhappy.
Speaker 1: M of Maureen. That's very funny.
Speaker 2: It will never not make me laugh when someone does
Speaker 2: that joke in anything.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 2: I know it's so stupid and silly, but Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's a good example of where I was saying, like,
Speaker 1: this is obviously the psychovill universe, which is a bit
Speaker 1: surreal and doesn't have to necessarily make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the laws of reality don't need to worry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got Jenna Coleman just like this very
Speaker 1: real woman just listening to this story of being like
Speaker 1: what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could do like a little picture and picture
Speaker 2: in the corner with her reactions to the Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like a YouTube reaction like BT reacts to. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The director did say that they like intentionally shot it
Speaker 2: differently the scenes that are in the modern flat to
Speaker 2: the scenes that in the past, and like how his
Speaker 2: directing style and like how everything was a lot more
Speaker 2: close ups and things and the old scenes, which is
Speaker 2: quite cool, which I guess adds to the weirdness.
Speaker 1: Mmm. I mean it feels a lot more sort of
Speaker 1: static and plain in the modern ones. M like the
Speaker 1: kind of star you would expect from that kind of
Speaker 1: episode of in so number nine.
Speaker 2: More grounded, more inverted commas boring, like yeah, just like
Speaker 2: and then you cut back to the fantastical world of
Speaker 2: weird people. Yeah, reality doesn't really matter. Yeah, Speaking of which,
Speaker 2: m So this would be where ghost boring turns up. Yes, well,
Speaker 2: I guess firstly, the self playing bond Tempe that must
Speaker 2: have been quite expensive. Presumably they don't make those like
Speaker 2: they have had to presumingly Jerry rig a bon tempey
Speaker 2: to be able to because it looks like it's actually playing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was wondering this. They must have. They must
Speaker 1: have done something clever to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, assuming there's whir like threads in it, like fishing
Speaker 2: wire and stuff that having to pull keys down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks really cool though. Yeah. And I just
Speaker 1: love that touch to her character as well, that she
Speaker 1: used to just sit and play U bon tempee. It's
Speaker 1: such a.
Speaker 2: Silly word as well, I know it's a real thing.
Speaker 2: It sounds so her as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing it on tempe. Yeah. And also the funny
Speaker 1: thing is when it's playing by itself, and obviously it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be her ghost is playing it and she's
Speaker 1: playing abide with me. It's not perfectly played. It's slightly
Speaker 1: sort of oh I'm trying my best or not quite
Speaker 1: very good, you know, but the sort of sloppy I
Speaker 1: like that bit in the montage when she's playing and
Speaker 1: David's turning the pages for her, and she's just playing
Speaker 1: one note over and over over.
Speaker 2: I think it was I'm sure it said Superman on
Speaker 2: the on the sheet music. I did it, so I'm
Speaker 2: not sure she's playing the Superman theme music, but I
Speaker 2: couldn't recognize it as being the beginning of anything. No. Yeah,
Speaker 2: ghost Maureen turns up at this point. She's been on
Speaker 2: a cruise ship of the dead.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is brilliant, isn't it? Absolutely brilliant?
Speaker 1: I mean so much to say, where do we start?
Speaker 1: I like the choice that they didn't make her a
Speaker 1: transparent yes figure, she's just lit a bit ethereally, very weirdly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very beautiful effect they've done. And it
Speaker 2: doesn't bleed into anything else. It's it's oddenly on her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they've done it very nicely, very simply, but very nicely.
Speaker 1: Really well done. Then, I just I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you're so used to ghosts traditionally being so sort of
Speaker 1: elegant and you and she's literally just herself. Could you
Speaker 1: go see the Queen of the Poe? Oh, I've done
Speaker 1: she takes edges. I look a bit when she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's totally tied. Do I and be on the veil?
Speaker 1: I can do this, So then just makes a draw
Speaker 1: fly out.
Speaker 2: It's so matter of fact. Yeah, the line before do
Speaker 2: you hide in the cupboard? And wood Green gets another
Speaker 2: show out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't notice that, but yes.
Speaker 2: The blowerse that he got her is in Woodgreen Dog's
Speaker 2: trust for thirty p How does that make me feel?
Speaker 1: David? Maybe pouline or buy it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or what's his face from cold comfort with the other
Speaker 2: branch of what?
Speaker 1: Yah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that Stephen Reese just really liked the
Speaker 2: name Woodgreen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, obviously she's in hell mm hmm, because.
Speaker 2: She would be with all the best people.
Speaker 1: But the way she explains about oh, it's like a
Speaker 1: cruise ship. I haven't got access to what you'd call
Speaker 1: the upper deck, but I tell you it's much more
Speaker 1: fun down below.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey did this cat noises for me?
Speaker 1: We're going to, obviously, you know, address the fact that
Speaker 1: this story really is about. It's a classic trope of
Speaker 1: this jealousy between a partner and mother in law and
Speaker 1: the like, oh feels that the partner is taking the
Speaker 1: son away from her, and how you know, she gets
Speaker 1: jealous and she calls her a whore and all that
Speaker 1: very normal baits. Yeah, and the fact obviously that she
Speaker 1: essentially her goal is to for him to die so
Speaker 1: that he can join her in eternity, and so she's
Speaker 1: tempting him with all his favorite serial killers that she's
Speaker 1: met down here exactly so well written and well performed,
Speaker 1: very funny.
Speaker 2: And then so in the seeds about like you know,
Speaker 2: she's not old, she thinks you think she is, Like
Speaker 2: why she got a second phone early Wednesday to her clark, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what'll happened then?
Speaker 1: Because obviously you think you immediately think, well, affair, yeah,
Speaker 1: dog standard affair. But it turns out to be something
Speaker 1: a little bit different to that. Yeah, just a little bit.
Speaker 1: This was another moment where Ben turned round was.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, yeah, so we walk it. Yeah, well it
Speaker 2: starts as you think it's an affair as well as
Speaker 2: you can just get the audio off the side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a little suck on that. Yeah. Oh
Speaker 1: you are a big boy, aren't you. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: we round the corner and no, you describe it.
Speaker 2: I've got a load of grown adult people dressed as children.
Speaker 2: One not a changing that I think, like, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: apparently that was the other thing. They had it in
Speaker 2: their notebook of the whole adult babies thing, and like
Speaker 2: wanting to get that in an episode somewhere, not knowing
Speaker 2: where it would come in, and they were like, it
Speaker 2: works perfectly here, let's use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, of course it does, because the weirdness
Speaker 1: of Psychoville.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything they can get, you can get away with
Speaker 2: doing any It is.
Speaker 1: An interesting concept and I know, obviously you know it
Speaker 1: happens in this world. I'm sure it does. And not
Speaker 1: to make myself sam, but I can sort of understand
Speaker 1: what he means when he explains it, Like I.
Speaker 2: Didn't want to say in case I come across as
Speaker 2: a weird out. Yeah, but yeah, he puts it quite eloquently,
Speaker 2: he does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm I'm not going to go and do that,
Speaker 1: but I can understand where he's coming from. Sure you're not, well, yeah.
Speaker 2: Emily's available for hire. Yeah, Wednesday, he.
Speaker 1: Said, what you knew job is? Oh yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a reason I was keeping that quiet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we should say as well. This is obviously
Speaker 1: another returning character from Psychoville. Their boss Robin hm nice
Speaker 1: for another face to come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting as an actor playing that scene.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean he does a brilliant job, doesn't
Speaker 1: he The way he switches between the dis owner of
Speaker 1: the baby and then just as himself just explaining the time,
Speaker 1: brilliant and where he's like, you know, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear about your mother and all that.
Speaker 2: And then just starts sucking on a bottle and walks off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please excuse me, but I will have to just
Speaker 1: say before we move on, I have to just do
Speaker 1: the me, not Robin me, Sally Anne, Sally and frightened
Speaker 1: Sally and go poop.
Speaker 2: I've just changed it doing that again.
Speaker 1: Is the little pink bow in his hair? I love
Speaker 1: that he's got an entire character. Yes, and he's not
Speaker 1: just himself as a baby. He's this character called Sally
Speaker 1: Anne likes very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could dissect that so many ways. Who knows
Speaker 2: what's going on in his private life. Yeah, but this
Speaker 2: scene also has possibly one of it's up there with
Speaker 2: the Operation You Tree thing from Bernie Clifton and one
Speaker 2: of my favorite jokes of the entire thing. No, David,
Speaker 2: don't throw the babies out with the bathwater. How seriously
Speaker 2: she says it, not in any way you think, realizing
Speaker 2: what she's said.
Speaker 1: It's a joke. Yeah, for me, it's the you know,
Speaker 1: talking about the funny things she does with her mouth.
Speaker 1: It's that when he calls her a whore and that
Speaker 1: very strange noise she makes as she goes off to
Speaker 1: the side. Oh, I don't remember that. So he called.
Speaker 1: He says, Mum was right, you are a whore, and
Speaker 1: she just her face starts to crumble. Then she just
Speaker 1: goes off. They're so strange.
Speaker 2: There aren't words, how strange they are. Yeah, so she
Speaker 2: packs up and leaves, and then he realizes made a
Speaker 2: terrible mistake by not taping his favorite a documentary and upset.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the thing, isn't it. We were saying before,
Speaker 1: But like just somebody having somebody not having the sensitivity
Speaker 1: that you expect humans to have is just funny. You know.
Speaker 1: You just assume, oh, of course he's talking about this,
Speaker 1: this his partner leaving him. But no, it's about videoing
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously that's more important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very funny. But yeah, they they sort of
Speaker 1: decide on pretty much a whim that they're going to
Speaker 1: make a baby.
Speaker 2: This is worrying. So anyone can have a child. It's
Speaker 2: it's concerning that you don't have to have a license
Speaker 2: for it or be vetted well or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's not get started on that, because you
Speaker 1: know the things that couples who adopt have to go through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know, people who are able to have
Speaker 1: children can just pop them out by any thing. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's an entirely different conversations, an entire different conversation. I
Speaker 1: like how they're like, you know, I'd like to have
Speaker 1: a barber bery, I'd like to have a baby, and
Speaker 1: shall we make one? If it's just like, oh, shall
Speaker 1: we just make up a tea?
Speaker 2: I like cake, You like cake, Let's make a cake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: slightly more responsibility. I like to think that obviously they
Speaker 2: have to go to hospital and have this baby, and
Speaker 2: like all the ravocations, like the social workers around their
Speaker 2: house every other day. The social workers are terrified of
Speaker 2: this couple I mentioned looking after this child. Yes, find
Speaker 2: any excuse to take this child off before they kill it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: through utter negligence.
Speaker 1: And so we get another big reveal m which ties
Speaker 1: into Psychoville. Yep. And I just love that moment because
Speaker 1: again it's that classic thing. So they're having to live
Speaker 1: with his mother, like, oh, one condition, you've got to
Speaker 1: get rid of your mother, as if she's just there
Speaker 1: getting in the way, but actually knows she's been fucking
Speaker 1: her body's been rotting in the bar.
Speaker 2: For years presumably at this point. And it's the way
Speaker 2: that Evily just doesn't seem to care, well, not doesn't care,
Speaker 2: but like it's just been it's normal. Yeah, oh well,
Speaker 2: I guess I'll deal with it. Yeah, like he doesn't
Speaker 2: take the bins out. It's a fat Oh yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: I've had enough. You've got to get rid of mum.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, that body is is something, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I forgot that you get the close ups of in
Speaker 2: the topperware as well.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I tried to kind of put that
Speaker 1: out of my head, but yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: the it's the head and the sort of recognizable hair
Speaker 1: that amuses me.
Speaker 2: I think when she's in the bar in the same costume.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The designer on the podcast was saying that they
Speaker 1: had many conversations about how much hair she would still
Speaker 1: have and this and that. Yeah, like I don't think
Speaker 1: realism is really that important in an episode like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably not. Yeah. And also apparently in Psycho her when
Speaker 1: she'd been left in the bath, she was the other
Speaker 1: way around. Her head was the other end. Oh, but
Speaker 1: they needed.
Speaker 2: Her, oh, because he was sat on the toilet talking
Speaker 2: to her, I think.
Speaker 1: But obviously they needed her that end for the opening
Speaker 1: the door, for that reveal. Yeah, so they decided that
Speaker 1: at some point in the intervening years, he must have
Speaker 1: got her out and turned around and put her back in.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he did with her in the meantime,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe I had to take her out to pull the
Speaker 2: plug out because she was full of water from all
Speaker 2: the melted ice or something.
Speaker 1: True. Yeah, but yeah, it's quite a prop, isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They have a picture somewhere I saw of them, just
Speaker 2: like in between shots of them just sat around filming
Speaker 2: with her, just in like a director's type chair.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's grim. And again another moment for
Speaker 1: Jenna Coleman of just like sorry, what David is, Just like,
Speaker 1: oh sorry.
Speaker 2: I've just noticed in the picture of her in the
Speaker 2: bath there's a bottle of mate next to her. Still,
Speaker 2: you know, she loves MATI.
Speaker 1: Of course there is. That's a nice easter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, he just thought it just not across
Speaker 2: his mind to tell her at any of this point.
Speaker 1: And apparently he'd been keeping her because he thought that
Speaker 1: he'd be able to bring her back.
Speaker 2: To life yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so they take her to the dump in
Speaker 1: separate pieces.
Speaker 2: The recycling center in wood Green.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well that's what we That is a dump,
Speaker 1: isn't it. That's what we is? That what you call it? Well,
Speaker 1: we have a recycling center down the road that is
Speaker 1: just known as the dump, the tip.
Speaker 2: It's the tip, Yeah, I suppose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I have questions because I'm thinking back to
Speaker 1: how Beattie and Sam know that this house is this
Speaker 1: flat is cheap because there was a dismembered body found
Speaker 1: in the bath. Yeah, so when was this found by whom?
Speaker 2: Has he heard of other people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, doesn't quite make sense.
Speaker 2: Yes, they've taken her and split the beca garden waist,
Speaker 2: general rubbish and metal which bits that they have to
Speaker 2: split between garden waist and general rubbish?
Speaker 1: I don't like. Yeah, what's garden waste? I suppose she's organic? Yeah,
Speaker 1: general robbish could be her clothes.
Speaker 2: I guess a metal for a hip. Yeah, I've taking
Speaker 2: it seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like to hope that they at least dumped the
Speaker 2: top of wear or gave it a good wash.
Speaker 1: I hope they got rid of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope so, but who knows.
Speaker 1: Although knowing them, they probably just had sandwiches in it
Speaker 1: the next day. Yeah, So we get the arrival of
Speaker 1: baby John. Baby John, Baby John.
Speaker 2: Is there reading a bedtime stories for the Ripper book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's so unbrand.
Speaker 2: It is fun story though. Did you ever watch Whitechapel
Speaker 2: back in the day, So there was a ITV series
Speaker 2: called Whitechapel with I want to is it Rupert Penry
Speaker 2: something Jones?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that the name Jones?
Speaker 2: So he was playing a detective in Whitechapel. And there's
Speaker 2: like a Jack the Ripper copycat person like recreating the
Speaker 2: entire thing as closely as you can, the same locations,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And so they call in a ripperologist
Speaker 2: who's likes someone a more normal version of David who
Speaker 2: is played by Steve And in that series, Steve's written
Speaker 2: Steve's characters written a book, which is that book Oh
Speaker 2: that is fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that's very fun. That's nice.
Speaker 2: It's nice that all this is sort of a three
Speaker 2: series crossover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it even crosses over to V Yeah. That
Speaker 1: really is beyond the veil.
Speaker 2: If any permission for it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a good series. I recommend. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think my parents watched it.
Speaker 2: A few of them obviously. The first one was about
Speaker 2: chat the Repper, and then I think they went off
Speaker 2: a bit. I think that the second one might have
Speaker 2: been the craze, but I can't remember.
Speaker 1: So they have the brilliant idea of giving a newborn
Speaker 1: baby a birthday party.
Speaker 2: I suppose it's his first birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his zero birthday. And who did they get, of
Speaker 1: course mister Jolly. No.
Speaker 2: The fact that you recognize it immediately, just the hook
Speaker 2: is all you need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you would if you'd seen Psychoville. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I've watched this for the first time, I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck am I watching?
Speaker 2: Now? Is what we wanted to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say this is one bit that again,
Speaker 1: I can forgive it now that I've seen Psychoville and
Speaker 1: I understand what's going on, But first time I watched it,
Speaker 1: I wasn't too keen on this because the fact that
Speaker 1: it was Reese playing an entirely separate character, so he's
Speaker 1: playing two characters in the same episode. That took me
Speaker 1: out of it slightly. The first time.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, for what was the character does he play?
Speaker 1: Maureen is so a person? She is? She's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Genuinely looking for a character that Reese was playing.
Speaker 1: Yea, but yeah, so I thought that was I found
Speaker 1: that tricky the first time, that when I didn't know Psychoville,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, they've never done this in
Speaker 1: Soudem I'm for and whereas obviously in League of Gentlemen
Speaker 1: and even in Psychoville they do multiple characters all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just go with it, sometimes even interacting
Speaker 2: with each other.
Speaker 1: So exactly. Yeah, and that's Psychoville, like it's it's sort
Speaker 1: of it's more of a drama, but it's also got
Speaker 1: as they I think they put it themselves. It's got
Speaker 1: one foot in sketchiness. Still. Yeah, it's remotely real, yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, mister Jelly was great to see again,
Speaker 1: great character. Yeah, and Ben actually laughed at him. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was the line about you know he can do
Speaker 1: balloon animals. He's like, what's his favorite animal? Monkey? Oh?
Speaker 1: Fuck that, I can do sausage, dog, snake, or giraffe.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a great joke, isn't it. They're just
Speaker 1: they're long, thin balloons, and it's like, I could do
Speaker 1: a snake, sausage, anything that doesn't require any manipulation at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's his favorite animal as well? To in like
Speaker 2: he's like a day old favorite anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also love where he says, oh, what's its name?
Speaker 1: And they say John is like John imagine shift.
Speaker 2: This performer that utterly hates his audience.
Speaker 1: Yea every time. Yeah, wonderful character. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she's going working nights, David's having to look after
Speaker 2: the baby, and we get more in pop back up again,
Speaker 2: another great line of but we recycled you to rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I suppose that's all any of it
Speaker 1: is when you bury or whatever or cremate recycling, isn't it.
Speaker 1: So it turns out that he hadn't actually fully recycled her.
Speaker 1: He's kept one important piece of the puzzle, a big toe.
Speaker 1: He's kept his mother's head and bricked it up in well,
Speaker 1: and she says to him. You did an Edmund Kemper,
Speaker 1: which I was a bit curious about, so I googled
Speaker 1: Edmundkemper and went down a bit of a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: And I won't give too many details because it's quite upsetting,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a different podcast.
Speaker 2: Is enough of those podcasts?
Speaker 1: Yes, but it does seem he had he had a
Speaker 1: thing about heads, and he hated his mother, and one
Speaker 1: of his victims apparently he buried their head in the
Speaker 1: garden facing up at his mother's window because apparently she
Speaker 1: always liked people to look up to her.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then he later killed and decapitated his motherly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the thing that all those horrible things that he's
Speaker 1: done to people like obviously awful. But the thing that
Speaker 1: really upset me was that apparently when he was a
Speaker 1: child he killed the family cat.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: And I was like, it's's just whenever you hear about
Speaker 1: an animal, it's like sunt outs. Some how seems worse,
Speaker 1: doesn't it, because they seem so much more innocent, Not
Speaker 1: that you know you should kill anyone, but yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a cat that made me feel bad. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that says about me. I mean, they are supposed
Speaker 1: to have nine lives cats aren't they even? So I
Speaker 1: don't think that helps in this one. No, sorry, tittles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the one, the one circle that I
Speaker 2: mentioned that I didn't Actually I don't think i'd heard
Speaker 2: of before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, yeah, yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: interesting reading up about. But yeah, people are there are
Speaker 1: some awful people in this world.
Speaker 2: There are, But I can I can.
Speaker 1: Say, you can understand being I can.
Speaker 2: Understand David being obsessed with them. Oh, I find them
Speaker 2: fascinating to read about, as awful as it all is.
Speaker 1: I can understand to capitate people and.
Speaker 2: Well, when you've worked in customer service.
Speaker 1: But bless him, he says he wanted her close by
Speaker 1: so she could keep an eye on me. Mm. So
Speaker 1: he's bricked her up in the wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, like, I don't know if you are
Speaker 2: you find of sure?
Speaker 1: Shank not seeing it? I need to, I need to.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't. I shouldn't say then, Oh, sorry, a spoiler.
Speaker 1: It's a spoiler for anyone else listening as well, if
Speaker 1: they haven't seen it, well, it.
Speaker 2: Is, but it's also such a well known spoiler it
Speaker 2: was considered a spoiler anymore.
Speaker 1: But I won't say anymore. You sure if you know?
Speaker 1: You know? Okay, does it? Does it actually ruin it? No?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah it does. Okay, I won't say anymore.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry once again, my.
Speaker 2: Lack of it is a fantastic film. Please watch it, Steven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly, there's so many films I need.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite films. Yeah, it's a masterpiece. I
Speaker 2: think it often gets ranked in like IMDb and stuff
Speaker 2: has been the best film ever made. Yeah, it is
Speaker 2: an awesome film.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So she then throws out her biggest sort of lore
Speaker 2: for him to join her beyond the veil that she's
Speaker 2: now best friends with. Jack knows who he is. He's lovely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that how she just calls him Jack
Speaker 1: like first name terms, and he's like the Ripper and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, it's a lat's be called that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's certain protocols. Yeah, it's like she's had
Speaker 2: to sign out of like sign out of Hell or
Speaker 2: something to come visit him. Oh, well there's a logging
Speaker 2: out book.
Speaker 1: She needs to be back by six. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he can't kill himself because he's got the baby. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I would if I could. But you know responsibilities
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I generally think if the baby wasn't there, he
Speaker 1: would have probably just done it. He's so he so
Speaker 1: looks to his mother foot to tell him what to
Speaker 1: do for everything.
Speaker 2: Especially if Emily wasn't in the picture as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you're still living in that flat on his own,
Speaker 2: I think he'd made it to this point.
Speaker 1: No, but yeah, she is an evil bitch really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some great lines here though. If he doesn't
Speaker 2: want to kill the baby, you'll do words you're told
Speaker 2: kill the baby. Yeah, we're gonna get it boiled. But
Speaker 2: very luckily Emily pops in, Yeah, and find him dangling
Speaker 2: poor baby John over the I mean, how many carrots
Speaker 2: he was planning on cooking.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure?
Speaker 2: This is enormous.
Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't mention as well when she when Maureen
Speaker 1: appears in that scene, and she's just like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: want assault than that, damn it, like even beyond death.
Speaker 1: She's commenting on his cooking.
Speaker 2: All right, missus New York cheese cake and yeah, crackers.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so thankfully she catches him. Yeah, pretty baby boiling,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's horrific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he never sees poor little little Baby John again,
Speaker 2: and in.
Speaker 1: The voiceover he's talking to thingy. He says that he
Speaker 1: get he gets taken away, but it's not made clear
Speaker 1: whether that's what that is, whether that's prison or like
Speaker 1: a sort of mental institution or hm.
Speaker 2: I would probably guess the latter.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you know, why is it after all
Speaker 1: this time that he is free to come and come
Speaker 1: to the flat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of this that now I'm analyzing,
Speaker 2: it doesn't add up. Yeah, but in psychovil it wouldn't
Speaker 2: need to.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, we'll just forget it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've said enough stuff that you can sort of
Speaker 2: square the circle in your head if you don't pause
Speaker 2: on it for more than ten seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah. Then Mauran appears in the present with
Speaker 1: David and Beattie. We find out she's in the wall,
Speaker 1: she's what's been causing this.
Speaker 2: Crack, it's time to do a bad murder, and that
Speaker 2: she's not talking to David and suddenly Beattie's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and stabbed him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, when they mentioned earlier that she was susceptible,
Speaker 1: apparently she's extremely susceptible. Yeah, she's literally only just met
Speaker 1: this ghost woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, within twenty four hours she's murdering someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Weird though, isn't it, Because obviously David had the
Speaker 1: incentive of you know, or you can find out Jack
Speaker 1: the Ripper and all that, whereas Vice's got nothing. She's
Speaker 1: just it's just just randomly just killed this man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and unfortunately this is when Sam turns back up again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great timing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and cut to black. How long are you meant
Speaker 2: to thinks pasted?
Speaker 1: At this point, I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's not leaves on the trees anymore, so it's quite
Speaker 2: a while. Oh okay, and you think that I guess
Speaker 2: she's gotten help. They've covered it up together. But no,
Speaker 2: she has also murdered Sam. Yeah, and left him in
Speaker 2: the bathtub.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's done a coffeecat. Yeah, in a way.
Speaker 2: She did another bad murder. But she'll leave the radio
Speaker 2: on for him so he's not lonely, which is.
Speaker 1: Of course that's just so we can have a song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to finish.
Speaker 2: Off full circle back to Superman. Yeah, even if it
Speaker 2: does end worryingly.
Speaker 1: What happens at the end of Forgotten, Well, one of
Speaker 1: the lines is kiss oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: See them going very lovingly too lovingly. Well, and then
Speaker 2: it cuts away.
Speaker 1: What happens in the afterlife stays in the afterlife?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, oh yeah, and they both goes at this point, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've I've got the glowy green thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, thoughts, how much had this happened? Are we
Speaker 1: meant to.
Speaker 2: Take it all as actually happening? Because if it weren't
Speaker 2: for the bit at the end with bat killing them,
Speaker 2: I would have taken it as this is all in
Speaker 2: David's head and he's imagined all of this because he
Speaker 2: can't cope to be without his mother. I don't know,
Speaker 2: what do you think I had?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so you one of your catchphrases. I hadn't
Speaker 1: considered that.
Speaker 2: Say that that waight you do?
Speaker 1: Actually? But yeah, no, I I had just I just
Speaker 1: assumed it was all yeah, as it is. But no,
Speaker 1: that's a good point.
Speaker 2: All of the flashback stuff could have just been in
Speaker 2: David's head.
Speaker 1: He could absolutely, yeah, And like he's.
Speaker 2: Wanting to get back with it, No, I guess he is.
Speaker 2: But he's wanting to get back to his mother. So
Speaker 2: she comes to him, and he's thinking of ways to like,
Speaker 2: if he kills himself, maybe you will get to see
Speaker 2: her again, And it could just be beat is just
Speaker 2: a bit unhinged and she's heard all this crazy stuff
Speaker 2: and just kills him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could well be. Yeah, that's a good point actually,
Speaker 1: because he's he's now filled her head with with all
Speaker 1: this stuff of Maureen. Maybe she's now hallucinating Maureen.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Marean and her never interact, so as
Speaker 2: far as we know, she doesn't see Maureen. Well no,
Speaker 2: but but apparent just David talking to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see what he means, so she doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: even she just stabs him just for her own shits
Speaker 1: and kiggles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then gets caught so obviously stabs the boyfriend
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe, or she could be she could hallucinate Maureen
Speaker 1: to tell her potently Yeah yeah, but then who's David
Speaker 1: talking to when he turns. I don't think we need
Speaker 1: to think over it that much. No, probably not, But yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go. I love this one so much. It's
Speaker 1: a very fun one, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's so stupid. I just find myself earlier watching it again.
Speaker 2: This is so silly, but I love it so much.
Speaker 2: But how seriously it tries to take itself at the start. Yes,
Speaker 2: and like when you're watching it not knowing it's actually
Speaker 2: quite creepy.
Speaker 1: Did you spot the hair?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Sorry, no I didn't either. I was too engrossed.
Speaker 2: It is on the white squares divider thing between the
Speaker 2: bedroom and the kitchen in the modern day. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: you can most easily see it at the end when
Speaker 2: they're doing their Superman dance. Okay, it's just there behind
Speaker 2: them and one of the boxes.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, you know, I said, I watched the psych
Speaker 1: of An episode earlier today. There's a little ornament in
Speaker 1: that that she picks up at one point that is
Speaker 1: a It's a dog, not a hair, but it looks
Speaker 1: very similar to the hair. And I was like, oh
Speaker 1: that's funny. Yeah, so rating, M let you go first.
Speaker 1: I have actually bumped it up a notch from what
Speaker 1: I had earlier. Right earlier, I was ready to give
Speaker 1: it a seven. M. I think I'm going to give
Speaker 1: it an eight. Yep, yeah, good choice.
Speaker 2: I think i'll probably. I think I'm going to give
Speaker 2: it an eight as well. Okay, I feel like a
Speaker 2: nine is too strong. Okay, I really want to, but
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I'm going to give it an eight
Speaker 2: as well. Okay, I think I think I'm going to
Speaker 2: dock it one point for the sheer number of nonsense
Speaker 2: things that you have to accept exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 2: It's like when it's like when someone falls over in
Speaker 2: an ice skating thing and they don't knock them loads
Speaker 2: of points because the fellow over you get a cursory
Speaker 2: one point knocked off. We'll carry on as if it
Speaker 2: didn't happen.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, so yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to do that, even though I ultimately don't care
Speaker 2: that there is.
Speaker 1: No exactly crazy things. But yeah, eight out of nine
Speaker 1: not to be sniffed at.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. I'm conscious of giving out too
Speaker 2: many nines as well. Yeah, I don't want to cheapen them.
Speaker 1: No, it's like your Paul Hollywood handshake. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: give the nine out of that easily. We have a
Speaker 1: shout out to do, don't we. The lovely Livy, who
Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you will be aware of from
Speaker 1: TikTok and the like. She is a big fan of
Speaker 1: recent Steve and she's given us a couple of shouts
Speaker 1: outs on the socials. It was so sweet, very very sweet.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, And yeah, I would highly recommend
Speaker 1: checking her out as well on TikTok.
Speaker 2: Lots of Task Master, Vampire Talk, Yeah, and yeah general
Speaker 2: TV stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic And she knows what she's talking about, yes,
Speaker 1: having worked in TV as well. But yeah, the other
Speaker 1: thing this is sort of tied in as well. At
Speaker 1: the time of recording, last night was the final performance
Speaker 1: of Stage Fright, and Livy was lucky enough to be
Speaker 1: in attendance.
Speaker 2: I'm so jealous.
Speaker 1: The Hamma Smith Apollo. So this is so funny, isn't it.
Speaker 1: You said to me the other day that you had
Speaker 1: a prediction for the final guests they were going to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it was a
Speaker 2: prediction or a This would be the most perfect person
Speaker 2: they could have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as in, how realistic was it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was ever going to happen,
Speaker 2: but if it did, that would be the of every
Speaker 2: person on the planet. This will be the best person
Speaker 2: to have, yeah, which was obviously Bernie Clifton.
Speaker 1: The Bernie Clifton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bernie Clifton. Now, all I knew about him
Speaker 2: at this point is that he's eighty nine, and for
Speaker 2: all we know, he could be very frail and barely
Speaker 2: leaves his house. Yeah, so I didn't have a clue.
Speaker 2: Turns out you were right.
Speaker 1: I was right, You're right.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that would have been so special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just for all three of them as well.
Speaker 2: Like you get to eighty nine, you are used to
Speaker 2: being this big comedian back in the day, have an
Speaker 2: audience and blah blah blah, and then you, you know,
Speaker 2: you retire and you don't ever get that again, and
Speaker 2: then you suddenly get the Hammersmith Apollo all loving you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that must have been incredible, amazing. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: very jealous me too, if anyone who got to witness that. However,
Speaker 1: we do have a voice note from Livy which we
Speaker 1: have permission to play out. So here is her explanation
Speaker 1: of Bernie Clifton.
Speaker 3: So so much happened in that Bernie Clifton bit. So
Speaker 3: they basically just kind of let him run it, which
Speaker 3: totally understandable, but it meant it ran twenty minutes over.
Speaker 3: But it was really really funny. He sang, impossible, dream
Speaker 3: Reese gave up being in character. Steve held it together
Speaker 3: until about like the very last moment. He also said,
Speaker 3: as a family entertainer, what the fuck. He then also
Speaker 3: called them a pair of twats, and yeah, I realized
Speaker 3: it was Bernie when they started doing the charades. It
Speaker 3: was when they said bear and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: could it be him? And then I second guessed myself.
Speaker 3: And then it got to the Clifton part and they
Speaker 3: said Lyft and I literally yelled out, Oh, my fucking god,
Speaker 3: they've done it. And it was just really cute, and
Speaker 3: he got like a massive round of applause.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was really nice. It was like perfect, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that sounds.
Speaker 1: Awesome, amazing, It must have been such an experience. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just sent you the clip earlier as well of
Speaker 2: them from the wings, like that Leon masking. I'm so
Speaker 2: glad we got to see at least that.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you were saying, how you know each night
Speaker 1: when they do it, Reese doesn't know who's coming.
Speaker 2: Well, as far as I'm aware. Yeah, that's at least
Speaker 2: what they've said is the case. Whether it's Jo or not,
Speaker 2: who knows, But from his reaction and the fact that
Speaker 2: he seemed to drop all of the accent and everything,
Speaker 2: I think he was genuinely else.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's literally the perfect way to wrap
Speaker 1: it up, isn't it.
Speaker 2: And presumably evil have known this for days, weeks, possibly months, who.
Speaker 1: Knows, who knows? Yeah, because I.
Speaker 2: Did see them doing an interview on BBC Breakfast, I
Speaker 2: think where someone asked, like, what would your dream person
Speaker 2: for the last night be? And they said a load
Speaker 2: of names, but they never mentioned him, So I wonder
Speaker 2: if you even knew back then.
Speaker 1: Who it was going to be. Yeah, well, very happy
Speaker 1: that that happened. Yeah, that's lovely, amazing, And also given
Speaker 1: that it was the final performance, apparently there were a
Speaker 1: few other notable things that happened, So I do have
Speaker 1: I do have a second voice note.
Speaker 3: Because it was the final show, there was just like
Speaker 3: more applause and like really nice vibes in general. The
Speaker 3: Chekhov's pun line got a really big cheer and Steve
Speaker 3: went finally and yeah, he was really happy with that.
Speaker 3: In the second act, when bav Joshi's characters being all
Speaker 3: method actor and stuff like that, Steve just turns around
Speaker 3: and says, fuck you, asshole, and I don't think that's
Speaker 3: ever happened before, and Reese had to turn his back
Speaker 3: to the audience because he almost corpsed at that point.
Speaker 3: And then right at the end when they're doing the
Speaker 3: Afterlife Cloud nine bit when Reese and Steve raised their
Speaker 3: coffee cups to each other, they actually just went up
Speaker 3: to each other and just hugged, and it was so cute,
Speaker 3: and the entire audience went h and started applauding, and
Speaker 3: the bowels went on for a bit longer. There was
Speaker 3: also a standing ovation and rightfully.
Speaker 1: So oh amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm so jealous. Yes, it was my birthday as well.
Speaker 2: I wish had gun for it.
Speaker 1: You know, it would have been perfect, wouldn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I've already spent a lot of money
Speaker 2: in this and seen it twice. I don't think I
Speaker 2: can quite justify trying.
Speaker 1: To get tickets.
Speaker 2: But it would have been so nice as well, because
Speaker 2: obviously it's going to be mainly fun at these things,
Speaker 2: but for the final light, it's going to be exclusively
Speaker 2: die hard fans.
Speaker 1: That really love this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that would have been nice, a nice sort
Speaker 2: of atmosphere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, what a nice ending for them as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to go out on a real bang. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: Livy for sharing your experience. We were there with you
Speaker 1: in spirit. Apparently. Death Being Not Proud was the first
Speaker 1: episode of Insidem nine that she ever saw as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she did say that. Yeah, it's a good
Speaker 1: reason for bringing her up on today's episode.
Speaker 2: What an episode to start with?
Speaker 1: Well quiet? Yeah? Yeah, so this has been huge fun.
Speaker 1: We will be back next week for an entirely different episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look forward to that one. I'm sorry no spoilers. No,
Speaker 2: you guess which one it is. And in case I
Speaker 2: forgot do it earlier? Did you spot our hair? We'll
Speaker 2: point it out next week if you did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But for now, I think it's time to close
Speaker 1: the door on number nine. But you never leave, do you,
Speaker 1: especially if your head spricks up in the wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll happen.
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