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<v Speaker 1>Big food and be on with Cliff and Bubo.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and

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<v Speaker 2>read it, im Star and me.

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<v Speaker 1>Just on us today listening watching lim always keep.

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<v Speaker 2>Its watching.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Bobo, Matt. How are you guys doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty good? Happy new Year?

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<v Speaker 2>Almost huh it's coming, whether ready or not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why not? Twenty four has been good.

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<v Speaker 3>Though, yeah, no coing plasure for me. Very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, pro you're back there somewhere, aren't you.

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<v Speaker 1>I am indeed celebrating the disclosure of an awesome year.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty twenty four was indeed good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, So end of the year episode. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be looking back at this year and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe a looking at head a little bit to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. Hopefully there's a good couple of good

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<v Speaker 2>things on the horizon out there. So what do you

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<v Speaker 2>guys think here?

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<v Speaker 3>The highlight?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, highlights, I mean a couple of the big ones

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<v Speaker 2>for me of course, or you know, every year we

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<v Speaker 2>start and we're doing it again. This year is squatch

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<v Speaker 2>Fest in January. I love squatch Fest. It's easily one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite gigs. Number One, I can drive there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's always a pleasure. You know, it's an hour and

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<v Speaker 2>a half from the house or something like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate that. But also the roster of people coming

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<v Speaker 2>to speak every year is just fantastic. Last year we

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<v Speaker 2>had Meldrum. He's not gonna be on it this year,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, but but last year we had Meldrum and

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Pruitt and a handful of other people that make

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<v Speaker 2>my day as well. And a lot of people just

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<v Speaker 2>pop by to say hi too, Like where else can

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<v Speaker 2>you go to a conference and you know, have Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Marcel come by to say hi because he wasn't that

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<v Speaker 2>far away, or you know, or Chris Spencer or Shane

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<v Speaker 2>cor Olympic Project guys usually speak there, so if they

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<v Speaker 2>have a booth, that was a great gig. I always

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<v Speaker 2>look back on that one fondly and I always look

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<v Speaker 2>ahead to that one and to a patient.

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<v Speaker 4>Only been to one, and it was that's why I

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<v Speaker 4>met Mark Marcel. I was liket this homeless guy in here.

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<v Speaker 4>Keep an eye on him, so I'm going to steal something,

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<v Speaker 4>and it is Mark Brcell.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, no, way.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a great gift idea for Mark Marcel I

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna and it's a long term one. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if Mark listens to the podcast or not.

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<v Speaker 2>But if he does, sorry Mark, And if you don't, good.

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<v Speaker 1>He strikes me as someone who does not listen to podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I think too.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems like someone who more listens to like the grammarphone,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>He does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, one of those record players with the horn, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of a speaker.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get him a gift. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>buy him like a variety pack of socks, but then

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<v Speaker 2>pull him out and mismatch him so none of them

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<v Speaker 2>match the other one, and then like ball him up

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<v Speaker 2>like we do, you know, And then I'll give him

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<v Speaker 2>like a half dozen socks that don't match one another.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the following year, for his birthday, I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>him the other half, you know, the other set that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't match. Since he matches his socks by thickness instead

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<v Speaker 2>of color.

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<v Speaker 3>The Hill insist to come from a good will and

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<v Speaker 3>be used.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, it'll come with goodwill.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that guy. I think if you could instantiate

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Northwest into a single being. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Murcell.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a pretty good representation.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say Mark is great.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a good gift idea, very creative and generous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of hard to believe that Squatchfest was

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<v Speaker 1>almost a year ago, because I feel like I was

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<v Speaker 1>just there and just at your house, and now we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready to do that again, Like, oh, that was

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<v Speaker 1>like the other day, but now it's happening again because

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<v Speaker 1>it was a year ago, because it's been a crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>hectic year. Well, another great thing about that trip is

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<v Speaker 1>that our friends who were the you know, the Bluff

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<v Speaker 1>Creek Bigfoot guys, Doug Shay and Todd Samples and Carrie,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they came up for that trip and decided

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<v Speaker 1>to make a day trip before squatch Fest started and

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<v Speaker 1>had a sasquatch siding before the conference, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>and I and my wife Emily got to go out

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<v Speaker 1>there with him, and there were still tracks left in

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<v Speaker 1>the ground and Emily got to cast one of those tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>We did a podcast episode about it, you know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of one of our earlier episodes in the year,

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<v Speaker 1>episode two hundred and fifty and so that was a

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<v Speaker 1>super eventful weekend, and I guess your museum members would know,

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<v Speaker 1>like we filmed the video one of the secret spots

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<v Speaker 1>one night and then filmed a lot of this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>from that investigation with Doug and Todd and Kerry, and

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<v Speaker 1>so a lot happened that week.

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<v Speaker 2>I still hadn't even I have not even made that

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<v Speaker 2>the footage that we got up at the sighting location

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<v Speaker 2>into a museum video yet. I've been kind of crunched

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<v Speaker 2>for time, as I always am, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>make that one spectacular because not only did you and

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<v Speaker 2>I and Emily go up there on Sunday after the

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<v Speaker 2>event with the witnesses, I think I went up there

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<v Speaker 2>three more times, at least two, but I think I

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<v Speaker 2>went up there three more times afterwards, and I filmed

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<v Speaker 2>every one of them, and on one of them we

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<v Speaker 2>got a vocalization like Keith and I were there. We're

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<v Speaker 2>on our knees looking at a track and then off

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<v Speaker 2>the hills. So and we happen to be recording video

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. So so much happened with that, and

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<v Speaker 2>we got so many casts, and it was such an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting circumstance because the guys didn't see it for very long,

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<v Speaker 2>but they got a good enough view. We found about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty yards of tracks, We found hand prints,

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<v Speaker 2>we found where the things sat down in the ferns

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<v Speaker 2>and waited for the dudes to go away, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we have vocalization on the follow up stuff. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>much happened. I've wanted to really really focus and make

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<v Speaker 2>that an excellent video because a lot of times I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing these things kind of you know, I got three

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<v Speaker 2>or four days to pieces video together, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel like that one deserves more time and more attention.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've not been able to do that yet, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll do that for the one year anniversary. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll do that for the last one in January.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this week I'm also up against the wall. I

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<v Speaker 2>have another video to make. So Shane Corson and I

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<v Speaker 2>went out to a spot we call it the Outer

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<v Speaker 2>Rim because it's pretty hard to get to and it's

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<v Speaker 2>totally far away. I started going there last May and

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<v Speaker 2>we so found footprints, seventeen inch footprints several times up there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I brought Shane Corson up there with me and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, hey, I want to show you these spots

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<v Speaker 2>where we got these footprints, and we found a ton

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<v Speaker 2>more a ton of footprints cast of like eight or

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<v Speaker 2>nine of them that one day, three different individuals. It

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<v Speaker 2>was fantastic. So that's the one I'm piecing together this

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<v Speaker 2>week for the museum members.

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<v Speaker 4>What was the story that made you send of those

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<v Speaker 4>guys out? There's something that just recently happened there, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, well, it turns out that they wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>hiking at Mount Saint Helens. And this is like on

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday or Thursday, I think Thursday. They wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>hiking at Mount Saint Helens, but the weather was lousy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was raining everywhere. So they pulled up their weather

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<v Speaker 2>app and looked at the radar and there was one

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<v Speaker 2>little patch where there was no rain forecast and it

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<v Speaker 2>was down by Mount Hood Sandy Ridge trailhead about it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, less than ten miles from where I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 2>at this very moment. And they said, well, let's go

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<v Speaker 2>hiking there. You know, we want to go to Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Helen because of the history on that jest, let's

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<v Speaker 2>go hiking there. At least it's not gonna be to rain.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why they chose that spot and they ran

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<v Speaker 2>into they literally saw his assquatch late in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>So cool. Those guys are great. Man.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I just saw I felt so bad. I just

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<v Speaker 4>saw that small town monsters talking to me Alex did

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<v Speaker 4>on the go ro and I was in it, and

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<v Speaker 4>those guys were They're like, they're talking about their snow

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<v Speaker 4>tracks and they're like, yeah, we called. We called Boa

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<v Speaker 4>and he actually got back to us right away. He

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<v Speaker 4>occasionally answers, but not usually, so we knew it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a good fine And I was like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 4>I felt so bad. I'm like, those guys are totally cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I never like to say I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 4>call those guys back and I just stuff I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>like just don't follow up on time and stuff. But

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<v Speaker 4>those guys are super cool. I want I want to

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<v Speaker 4>get those guys involved. That new spot I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>go to on the coast. I'm gonna do that, like

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<v Speaker 4>a get a place where could take the quads in

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of gravel.

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<v Speaker 4>We can you know, kind of hide the tracks a

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<v Speaker 4>the main road. Then have a place set up there

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<v Speaker 4>where we can go to so we're not trying out

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<v Speaker 4>to Bluff Creek two and a half hours, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like drive twenty thirty minutes and we're there for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And Doug, Todd and Carrie don't feel bad Bobo doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>always answer or return our calls either. I think, of

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<v Speaker 1>all my friends, you're the hardest person to get ahold

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<v Speaker 1>of that. I know, Bobo.

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<v Speaker 3>I just didn't have a ringer on. I don't carry

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<v Speaker 3>my phone all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when we first started doing this podcast, like five

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<v Speaker 1>and a half years ago, i'd get your voicemail that

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, I'm going to be out of service

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<v Speaker 1>for a few days. Just leave a voicemail and get

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<v Speaker 1>back to you. And so I'd call Cliff and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, I tried to get ahold of Boo.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he's out in the woods, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>Cliff was like, oh, no, that's been his voicemail for

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<v Speaker 1>like ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'll change it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, Well, what was the thing recently, like you

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<v Speaker 1>you sent me this list of a slew of ceremonial

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<v Speaker 1>rites or rituals. You said, like I can only get

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<v Speaker 1>texts like if I'm in my truck on Bluetooth, and

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<v Speaker 1>I opened my contacts and I clear. So I was thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy get texts when the sun's edit zenith in my

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<v Speaker 1>back is to the thirty fourth parallel, and my left

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<v Speaker 2>When do you think about it, Think of the troubleshooting

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<v Speaker 2>that Bobo had to go through to defind, to actually

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<v Speaker 2>discover the combination of events that needs to be aligned

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I was curious about.

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<v Speaker 4>It was all happens to that. I wasn't trying to

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<v Speaker 4>figure anything. I was just I mean, I was besting

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<v Speaker 4>around like I was in the truck. And also I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, well a text came through and I could

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<v Speaker 4>hit I parked the truck and didn't drive and put

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<v Speaker 3>I could hit view and see it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm saying, Doug Todd, Carey, don't don't take

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<v Speaker 1>it personally. Clip and I don't always get responses or answers,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's funny. This has happened to me

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<v Speaker 1>more than once. I remember the last time it happened

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I was in the theater being Emily went

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<v Speaker 1>and saw a movie. It's like, sometimes I'll call Bobo. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Bobo was like, no, you will be available.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, that's just something excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, getting back to last January when we

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<v Speaker 2>were up there at Sandy Ridge trailhead for that siding,

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<v Speaker 2>again I mentioned I went there at least two or

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<v Speaker 2>three more times after you and Emily had left, because

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<v Speaker 2>both directions, where did it come from? Where to go to?

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<v Speaker 2>We left some good tracks in the ground that Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>when we were out there, so I wanted to go

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<v Speaker 2>see if I can record those and cast those, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>take some GPS coordinates and all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the days, it was Friday, whatever, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was probably February third, or you know, early

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<v Speaker 2>February that whatever that Friday was. After all that I

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<v Speaker 2>was on my way up there, I was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't drive to the spot, you have to walk in.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't that far of a walk, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was uphill. They were probably half mile three quarters of

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<v Speaker 2>a mile or something, probably just shive a mile somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>two trips up with plaster put you know, put the

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<v Speaker 2>plaster in the ground cast mist, and those were drawing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had gone back to the car, maybe dropped

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<v Speaker 2>a castop or something, I don't remember. And there's also

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<v Speaker 2>up too. So I was hoping and I was alone.

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<v Speaker 2>I was alone, and one of these walks up there,

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty tired at that point. I was getting

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<v Speaker 2>close to the spot. I was well more than a

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<v Speaker 2>half mile in there. And then I get a call

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<v Speaker 2>from a fellow research for a friend of mine, and

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<v Speaker 2>I pick up because he doesn't call me very often.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, Hey, what's happening, and he goes, I just

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<v Speaker 2>saw one. I just saw your big foot, blah blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah. But he's freaking out, freaking out, And in

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<v Speaker 2>long story short, he had just observed the two sasquatches

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<v Speaker 2>we have been tracking in one of my other research

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<v Speaker 2>areas for a couple of years. He didn't get a

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<v Speaker 2>great look at him. But he walked in on one

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<v Speaker 2>of the roads that we continually look at that I

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<v Speaker 2>even found tracks there a couple of weeks ago. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he walked in on that road because he had never

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<v Speaker 2>walked down there before, supposedly, like he just never had

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<v Speaker 2>gone down there. He he always works a different area

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<v Speaker 2>a few roads over. So he says, well, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go down Cliffs Road to day, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>he goes down there and there's two large animals down

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<v Speaker 2>slope in the shadows and the cedar shadows down there,

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<v Speaker 2>stomping and breaking branches and whatever and going back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's scared him really really badly, scared him really badly. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>he was afraid to go back to his truck on

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<v Speaker 2>the road because he thought that he'd be They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get him or something, you know like that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds ridiculous right now saying it, but when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in that situation, it's not so ridiculous, honestly, not at all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So he was, he was quite frightened. So he went

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<v Speaker 2>back straight up the hill to the main road and

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<v Speaker 2>think took the long way around basically, and then so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was on the Friday or something, if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember right, maybe a Thursday. I don't remember that

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<v Speaker 2>to look, but so so I got together with this

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<v Speaker 2>guy the next day, him and another friend of his

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<v Speaker 2>that he does a lot of research with out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and we went to the spot. And I know this

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<v Speaker 2>state because the photographs are from February third, so I

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<v Speaker 2>know that, so he must have seen it on the second.

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<v Speaker 2>And we went there and we went down the slope

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<v Speaker 2>to where he said these these things were moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>He said there was a big one and a smaller one.

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<v Speaker 2>He said one was nine feet when was six feet.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was afraid and he was above them, and

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<v Speaker 2>people are bad, you know, estimators of that sort of thing. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't think they were quite that big, because

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<v Speaker 2>he'd seen the smaller one before, and he said, he

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<v Speaker 2>said six feet this time, but he had actually observed

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<v Speaker 2>the smaller one before, and he said the thing was

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<v Speaker 2>probably about my size, a little smaller. And I'm five

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<v Speaker 2>foot eight, so the thing was five and a half

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<v Speaker 2>feet tall or something probably, so not too far from six,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And again he was scared, so we expect

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<v Speaker 2>him to exaggerate a little bit, so a big one

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<v Speaker 2>in a small one basically, and when we got to

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<v Speaker 2>the site, we found sign down there where he observed

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<v Speaker 2>these things, including a handprint on the side because it

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<v Speaker 2>was a steep slope that this thing was moving back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth with on and then broke, breaking the branches

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<v Speaker 2>and all that sort of stuff. There was a handprint

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<v Speaker 2>on the end cline. It wasn't really good, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was clearly a hand more than one actually, and then

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<v Speaker 2>footprints going back and forth. And then we back tracked

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<v Speaker 2>it down to the creek and then up the other slope,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of found the general area where it came from

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<v Speaker 2>before we lost it, and then we hiked up the

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<v Speaker 2>creek a little bit and came back on the road

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<v Speaker 2>that we normally hike in and out on and the

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<v Speaker 2>snow was melting away. It actually had melted quite a

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<v Speaker 2>bit in the rain the previous night. But yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>found tracks. We found tracks, and it was the same

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<v Speaker 2>two I believe it was the same too, that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been tracking for years, the twelve inch in the fourteen inch.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was really encouraging, and it was quite an

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<v Speaker 2>active week. I thought, Man, if twenty twenty four is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be like this, it's gonna be a ridiculous year.

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<v Speaker 2>It hasn't really proven to be that ridiculous of a year.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been actually a smaller number of sidings than what

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<v Speaker 2>we're used to, but two in the first like five

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<v Speaker 2>weeks of the year was quite good, especially since I

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<v Speaker 2>think in the first between those two sidings alone, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I emulated something like twelve or fifteen casts. So

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<v Speaker 2>the year started with the bang.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you that, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 5>beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after

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<v Speaker 5>these messages.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm definitely looking forward to next year's trip in a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks, and hopefully something equally squatchy happens that we

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<v Speaker 1>can go run around and check out and see if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a fire where someone sees smoke, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be great. But it will be great to

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<v Speaker 1>get back to the Northwest and see the NABC again

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. But we I got really lucky to

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of events with you this year, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's plenty of years like we just don't

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<v Speaker 1>see each other. We live you know, you live in

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<v Speaker 1>the Northwest. I live in the Southeast, and pass don't cross,

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<v Speaker 1>but this year, we actually got to do a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>We did four different events together and then we went

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<v Speaker 1>to see Dead and Company in Vegas. But so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that trend will continue to some degree, although I've only

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<v Speaker 1>committed it two making events next year, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try to keep it to that so i can

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<v Speaker 1>work on other sasquatch related projects, you know, specifically field

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and also writing projects too.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's your film?

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be pro North Georgia. Nine out of

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<v Speaker 1>ten trips, I'm still going to North Georgia these days.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some other areas of like Tennessee and Kentucky I like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've just spent so much time, so many years

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<v Speaker 1>in North Georgia and I just might as well drive

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<v Speaker 1>the extra couple hours and get down there and be

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<v Speaker 1>in some of my favorite spots and places I just

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<v Speaker 1>know like the back of my hand, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the county I grew up and alone, I just

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<v Speaker 1>know so many places, let alone the surrounding county. So

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<v Speaker 1>try to get down there as much as possible in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five, for sure, But with Squatch Fest coming up, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to see some of these places that close

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<v Speaker 1>finding tracks because we only got to go to a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of places when I was out there, so I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to see a different spot if possible, if time allows.

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<v Speaker 1>But who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you get in kind of early on Wednesday, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and if we can get out of the report kind

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<v Speaker 2>of early, that gives us a few hours of daylight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can my spot's are only an hour away,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so that's easy. And of course Thursday we

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<v Speaker 2>have that event with you at the Museum's probably going

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<v Speaker 2>to release tickets, probably around the time that this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>airs too, by the way, so like maybe the last

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<v Speaker 2>week of December is what we're kind of thinking at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, at the latest, first week of January, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>But on Thursday, I'll probably maybe wake up early and

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<v Speaker 2>take you out again or something to show you the woods.

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<v Speaker 3>There one who be the tickets available for people that

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<v Speaker 3>hear this, I don't think, well there all the members

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<v Speaker 3>will get them all what.

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<v Speaker 2>They Well, what will happen is that I'll release them

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<v Speaker 2>from museum members first, and then I'll give them about

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<v Speaker 2>a week to buy tickets, and then after that week,

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<v Speaker 2>what we'll do is we'll open them up to the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast members next, you know, and there'll be plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>tickets for people who want to do it. We can

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<v Speaker 2>only sell about forty tickets a little less, actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>usually limit it's about thirty two or so because I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a bunch of dead beat friends that tend to

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<v Speaker 2>show up, and I would too. I'm one of those

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<v Speaker 2>dead beats that would be happy to show up and

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<v Speaker 2>take a free ticket, you know. So like Boba, if

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<v Speaker 2>you show up, you're coming in for free. If Bart

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<v Speaker 2>shows up like he says, he's coming in for free.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, usually the Olympic Project guys want to come

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that for the good speakers, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I try to set aside like a number of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, deadhead tickets so to speak, you know, free tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>So I usually sell about thirty two in person tickets,

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<v Speaker 2>and they sell out pretty quick. With Meldrum and Michael Freeman.

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<v Speaker 2>This past November, I think we sold something like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six tickets to the museum members because you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of our members don't live nearby, so they don't

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<v Speaker 2>go that quickly. About twenty five twenty six tickets for

424
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<v Speaker 2>museum members, and then the last six or so would

425
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<v Speaker 2>go to six or eight of them would go to

426
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<v Speaker 2>podcast members, and so we never have a problem with that.

427
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<v Speaker 2>But what we started doing is that we actually live

428
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<v Speaker 2>stream the events. Now people can buy a much less

429
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<v Speaker 2>expensive ticket because it's you know, we got to pay

430
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<v Speaker 2>for stuff. You know, I got to pay for my

431
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<v Speaker 2>employees and all this other stuff. I got to sell

432
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<v Speaker 2>the tickets for like twenty or thirty bucks somewhere in

433
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<v Speaker 2>there to make any money whatsoever. And we're not making much.

434
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<v Speaker 2>We mostly do these because they're cool and fun and

435
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<v Speaker 2>it's a neat way to get people involved in the museum.

436
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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're not making hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

437
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<v Speaker 2>of dollars or anything like that, don't get me wrong.

438
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<v Speaker 2>But I have expenses we have to cover because it

439
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<v Speaker 2>is a business, and then the business has to make

440
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<v Speaker 2>a little something. So what we've been doing to help

441
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<v Speaker 2>out is we've been live streaming the events on Zoom.

442
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<v Speaker 2>So Nico sets up like a livestream camera and we

443
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<v Speaker 2>hooked the sound system into the computer and so people

444
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<v Speaker 2>buy less expensive tickets and they can watch it from

445
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<v Speaker 2>their living room. We do it over Zoom, and the

446
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<v Speaker 2>Zoom level that we have I can accommodate ninety nine people,

447
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<v Speaker 2>and we've never come even close to that, even close

448
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<v Speaker 2>to that. So if anybody listening out there does want

449
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<v Speaker 2>to see Matt pro At speak, that's a great way

450
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<v Speaker 2>to do it. It'll be probably like I think we

451
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<v Speaker 2>sold tickets for eight bucks or something last time.

452
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<v Speaker 3>I've done a couple of them. It's cool.

453
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<v Speaker 4>I listen to Mark Marcell and Mike Freeman and yeah,

454
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<v Speaker 4>I listen to a few of those are watched whatever,

455
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<v Speaker 4>it's cool.

456
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<v Speaker 3>I liked it.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of a fun way to get people

458
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<v Speaker 2>in different parts of the world who can't come in

459
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<v Speaker 2>person involved. And of course at the end time with

460
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<v Speaker 2>assuming we have time, and we usually do, we take questions,

461
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<v Speaker 2>and people watching in their living room from you know,

462
00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:25.000
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina are asking questions of these people. It's a

463
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<v Speaker 2>neat way to interact with somebody even if you can't

464
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<v Speaker 2>attend in person. So we'll be doing that again with

465
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<v Speaker 2>Matt Preuitt on the on January twenty third.

466
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<v Speaker 1>I think it is so I do hope you'll make

467
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<v Speaker 1>it up because it would be awesome. The three of

468
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<v Speaker 1>us have not done an in person event in almost

469
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<v Speaker 1>four years, and so we're definitely overdue for people who

470
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<v Speaker 1>talk you know, once or twice a week for public

471
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<v Speaker 1>consumption and more than that, like you know, privately on

472
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<v Speaker 1>the phone. We should definitely get together in person. I

473
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<v Speaker 1>just think it'd be super fun.

474
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know another, let's get back to Bigfoot

476
00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:54.359
<v Speaker 2>thing a little bit.

477
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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking. Yeah.

478
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<v Speaker 2>So in February I made a pretty big score for

479
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<v Speaker 2>the museum that reads resulted in knocking down a couple

480
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<v Speaker 2>or at least one historical hoax and exposing it. The

481
00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:12.759
<v Speaker 2>guy named some guy named Walt was selling fake stompers

482
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<v Speaker 2>on eBay and a good friend of mine reached out

483
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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, man, are you Are you aware of this?

484
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<v Speaker 2>And I said no, I never saw this before. And

485
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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at the stompers and you know, they

486
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<v Speaker 2>kind of looked like a Mullins stomper, like Rant Mullins,

487
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<v Speaker 2>and I wasn't sure. But he wanted way too much money,

488
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.759
<v Speaker 2>way too much money, you know. So and the eBay

489
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<v Speaker 2>thing says you buy these, I'll tell you how I

490
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<v Speaker 2>used them and all this other stuff, and it was

491
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<v Speaker 2>just so intriguing. So I wrote him and said, well,

492
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<v Speaker 2>I can't afford what you're asking for them, but I'll

493
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<v Speaker 2>give you this much if they don't sell asking. I

494
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<v Speaker 2>think it was like fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah, it's kind

495
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<v Speaker 2>of a lot for these things, you know. And I said,

496
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<v Speaker 2>I can't afford that, but you know the museum can't either.

497
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<v Speaker 2>So but I run a museum. Maybe you want these

498
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<v Speaker 2>things preserved historically. I can give you this much with

499
00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:58.240
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, well, I'm going to try to sell

500
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<v Speaker 2>for this much, and he did. He didn't sell them,

501
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.039
<v Speaker 2>but he tried to sell them for that much, and

502
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<v Speaker 2>then a week or two and by that nobody bid

503
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<v Speaker 2>at all. He lowered the price a little bit and

504
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<v Speaker 2>I said, hey, my offer still stands. I emailed him

505
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<v Speaker 2>through eBay about it, and he goes, well, I'm going

506
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<v Speaker 2>to try. I'll let you know. And so he didn't

507
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<v Speaker 2>sell it at that price either. So he reached out

508
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<v Speaker 2>to me and said, okay, I'll take your price, which

509
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<v Speaker 2>was cool, and so I said, well, I can drive

510
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<v Speaker 2>out to you. He lived on the coast somewhere. I

511
00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:25.799
<v Speaker 2>can drive out to you and pick him up. If

512
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<v Speaker 2>he said no, no, I want to go. I want

513
00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:29.279
<v Speaker 2>to see your big Foot museum. It's all great. So

514
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<v Speaker 2>he came to the Bigfoot Museum with the stompers and

515
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<v Speaker 2>I sat him down for an interview. I did a

516
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<v Speaker 2>taped interview. One of my great volunteers in my archiving

517
00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:42.839
<v Speaker 2>department transcribed the interview and he told me the story

518
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<v Speaker 2>and he said, yeah, I used him in Idaho, I

519
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<v Speaker 2>used him in southern Oregon. And he was telling me

520
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<v Speaker 2>the story. And I got him from this this guy's

521
00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:54.200
<v Speaker 2>lumber company. He lived in Toledo, Washington, and of course

522
00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Bell started going up Toledo. Well that's where the Wallace

523
00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.079
<v Speaker 2>has lived. But this didn't look like a Wallace stomper

524
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<v Speaker 2>to me. It looked like a Mullins. But I never

525
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<v Speaker 2>could figure out exactly where these stompers came from, although

526
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<v Speaker 2>I am eighty percent sure they are Wallace stompers. Of course,

527
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<v Speaker 2>the museum owns the original Wallace stompers from nineteen eighty

528
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<v Speaker 2>two that he probably carved special just for the little

529
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<v Speaker 2>TV spot that he did. You know, there's a very

530
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<v Speaker 2>the famous picture of Rant Mullins is and doctor Meldrum

531
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:24.759
<v Speaker 2>spoke where he's holding up these stompers. We have those

532
00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.599
<v Speaker 2>exact stompers in the museum, and I know it's those

533
00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>because you can see the marks and the photographs and

534
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<v Speaker 2>you can see the marks on the actual stompers, and

535
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:34.599
<v Speaker 2>in fact, on the back of these artifacts is Rant

536
00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:36.759
<v Speaker 2>Mullins autograph and this is nineteen eighty two. And that's

537
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<v Speaker 2>when the little news item popped up where Randon was

538
00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:44.519
<v Speaker 2>talking about his his pissing match with the Wallaces and

539
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.359
<v Speaker 2>stuff about who's a better hoaxer and stuff. But anyway,

540
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<v Speaker 2>these look a lot like that.

541
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<v Speaker 3>I'm a better lot than you are.

542
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know. It's like, no, you're not, and

543
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.839
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, I invented Bigfoot. No, I see the

544
00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:58.920
<v Speaker 2>whole thing with Mullins and stuff. And of course we can.

545
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<v Speaker 2>I don't if we talked about that when we had

546
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Vince on the podcast back in the day from Pacific

547
00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:09.599
<v Speaker 2>North weird, but I guess somebody promised somebody money for

548
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:11.720
<v Speaker 2>carving these stompers and used them and they got all

549
00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the attention and newspaper coverage and I don't know, just

550
00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:19.000
<v Speaker 2>weird attention stuff, just ego stuff. But anyway, this guy's

551
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.839
<v Speaker 2>telling me about using these stompers at a shake mill

552
00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.519
<v Speaker 2>down in Renton, Oregon, and he's telling me the story

553
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:28.240
<v Speaker 2>and he's saying, yeah, there are these two kids there

554
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.119
<v Speaker 2>and there's a horse corral and and and it's sounding

555
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.920
<v Speaker 2>awfully familiar. And I eventually pieced it together that these

556
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:39.640
<v Speaker 2>actually were the Stompers that were used when Barbara Wasson

557
00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.519
<v Speaker 2>found and cast the only footprints that she'd ever founded cast.

558
00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:47.640
<v Speaker 2>And of course, the museum owns the Barbara Wasson collection,

559
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.359
<v Speaker 2>all of her correspondences, all of her research, all of

560
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:53.599
<v Speaker 2>her book notes, all of the original graphs and stuff,

561
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and also the one original cast that she made. So

562
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.839
<v Speaker 2>I pulled out the original cast and compared to the Stompers,

563
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:05.680
<v Speaker 2>and sure enough, one hundred percent match. So unfortunately, Barbara

564
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Wasson came and went, and now she's passed away. And

565
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:11.319
<v Speaker 2>the one cast that she pulled that was an original

566
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:13.880
<v Speaker 2>cast of her own, turns out was made by these

567
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>same Stompers. So I thought that was fantastic. I think

568
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.759
<v Speaker 2>it's fantastic to bust historical hoaxes.

569
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:22.519
<v Speaker 4>I think it's great that she got to go to

570
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:24.839
<v Speaker 4>her grave without cliff ruining her one cast she.

571
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Got, I know, but because of these casts, I was

572
00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:35.000
<v Speaker 2>put in contact through a wonderful woman named Darlene lives

573
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:39.000
<v Speaker 2>up in Toledo with a member of the Wallace family

574
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<v Speaker 2>and another guy who owned the logging company that this

575
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.039
<v Speaker 2>this other guy who got the stompers worked for. And

576
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.000
<v Speaker 2>so I went up and interviewed both of them. Because

577
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.319
<v Speaker 2>both these guys, one of them that the young one

578
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.000
<v Speaker 2>was like ninety two and the other one was literally

579
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:58.160
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and one years old. There was like two

580
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.920
<v Speaker 2>hundred almost two hundred years of tom foolery in that

581
00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 2>room along with me. And I interviewed them about what

582
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.039
<v Speaker 2>they knew about the hoaxing and all this other stuff.

583
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.839
<v Speaker 2>And Buzzwell was that was the older of the two

584
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.920
<v Speaker 2>gentlemen's names, Don Buzzwell Boswell, one of those two. He

585
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:17.680
<v Speaker 2>talked about using stompers and being and like he said

586
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things that I thought made me think

587
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>it was the Blue Mountain tracks, because the Blue Mountain

588
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Tracks are are I think I mentioned it recently Maybe not.

589
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was on the podcast recently and mentioned

590
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 2>this that I think they're probably probably hoaxed, right, And

591
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>he was mentioning, you know, pulling somebody in a car

592
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>with a rope to simulate longer step length and all

593
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.359
<v Speaker 2>this stuff on a logging side, and thinking, oh, that's

594
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.920
<v Speaker 2>that's Blue Blue Creek Mountain, Blue Creek mountain tracks. I said,

595
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:43.839
<v Speaker 2>blue mountains, really, but I met Blue Creek mountain tracks

596
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:45.519
<v Speaker 2>and it turned I said, well, was that was that

597
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>in the Bluff Creek area? And he goes, oh, no, No,

598
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.599
<v Speaker 2>that was out by Whiskeyville or somewhere. So there's another

599
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:53.279
<v Speaker 2>track thing over there somewhere, and he doesn't remember the date,

600
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:56.599
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, So anyway, it was a really interesting interview

601
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 2>with these two older gentlemen, and I got to I

602
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>really kind of went in trying to find out, what

603
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>do you know about the Blue Creek mountain tracks? Can

604
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>we nail those down as a hoax? And it turns

605
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>out that both these guys knew nothing about those. So

606
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:11.759
<v Speaker 2>even though I think they're probably hoax based on that

607
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.599
<v Speaker 2>line or whatever that's in the casts from that fake

608
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.319
<v Speaker 2>stomper from the Wallaces, neither of these guys knew anything

609
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:19.559
<v Speaker 2>about the Blue Creek Mountain.

610
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Tracks at all.

611
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 2>So I tried to bust two historical hoaxes, but I

612
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 2>only got away with one.

613
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Great work though, and that was a good find and

614
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>we chatted about that a lot back when it happened,

615
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and super cool that you got to meet with him too.

616
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they were a cantanker as bunch.

617
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 2>One of them was full of smiles, the other one

618
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:37.240
<v Speaker 2>was not.

619
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:38.319
<v Speaker 3>Well.

620
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.440
<v Speaker 1>If you can imagine being that like disagreeable and much

621
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:43.440
<v Speaker 1>of a prankster when you're young, and then when you're

622
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that age and you have no f's left to give,

623
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're probably ten times as cantanker as you know.

624
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'll go ahead and I'll send you this

625
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>picture here of the two gentlemens, A gentleman, the two

626
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>gentlemen around the table, and you can tell me what

627
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you think of their attitude. Yeah, they thought I was

628
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 2>They thought I was an idiot man.

629
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 3>For the Bigfoot thing. So they're no gentlemen.

630
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 5>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

631
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<v Speaker 5>We'll be right back after these messages.

632
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<v Speaker 1>When I was digging back through, you know, I was,

633
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>I was scrolling through all the podcasts we've put out

634
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.640
<v Speaker 1>this year, just trying to go through the year recap

635
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:28.279
<v Speaker 1>and looking back at things we discussed and things that

636
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.359
<v Speaker 1>have been happening. You know, we got some great witnesses

637
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 1>this year too. You know, we had Jeff Deisinger back,

638
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 1>and I guess that we had him in April or May.

639
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 3>That was the best one.

640
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, He's somebody I'd been familiar with for years, and

641
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>just through a member of the podcast, found out that

642
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.599
<v Speaker 1>he and I basically lived pretty close to each other,

643
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and so we met up and had started chatting, and

644
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Hey, would you be willing to tell

645
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.519
<v Speaker 1>that story on the podcast. I'm really glad we got him,

646
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>kept in touch with him and hung out with it

647
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>a few times since then. But people really love that

648
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>episode of a lot of people reach out and say, hey,

649
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>if I want someone to hear about the subject and

650
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>they're not familiar with it and they want to hear

651
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>a good signing, that's the episode I send them. So

652
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.119
<v Speaker 1>that was very cool to get him on there.

653
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.359
<v Speaker 2>They had a couple of dead leads too, you know,

654
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 2>like I got called out to the coast for some

655
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>tracks turned out to be elk tracks, But I did

656
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>get to go on a boat with these dudes for

657
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>a while because the tracks were across this big sandbar

658
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:26.720
<v Speaker 2>and a couple of them looked pretty good, and a

659
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.119
<v Speaker 2>couple of them didn't look real really good actually to me,

660
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 2>but it's Bigfoot's one of those things. Man, if you

661
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>don't get out there, you're going to miss some stuff,

662
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, And it's one of the aggravating things about it.

663
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.720
<v Speaker 2>I've wasted a lot of days. Yeah, waste is probably

664
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 2>too strong of a term. Honestly, I've spent a lot

665
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>of days chasing down leads that didn't come to fruition,

666
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and so I got to I did have to go

667
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to the coasts or whatever, but I did make a

668
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 2>good contact out there. Turns out this guy lives a

669
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:55.799
<v Speaker 2>spit in distance from months and Falls outside of Tillamook,

670
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.799
<v Speaker 2>and that's where most of the stuff happens in the

671
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Tillamook areas Munson Falls area. So this guy has eyes

672
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 2>on out for me now and kind of boots on

673
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the ground and with my phone numbers, hopefully that'll turn

674
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>up with something.

675
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 1>So oh no, that'd be great. It kind of reminds

676
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 1>me like we talked about in the last main show episode,

677
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>is you know, some of the regrets that I have

678
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>from the past or are not following up on those

679
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.000
<v Speaker 1>things because I was too quick to go, ah, this

680
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>is probably too good to be true, or just didn't

681
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 1>really sit right. And then as time progressed and more

682
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 1>details came out, it was like, man, that actually might

683
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 1>have been something, and I probably should have dropped everything

684
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and gone and looked, because there's plenty of times I

685
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>have dropped everything, gone and looked, you know, like many many, many,

686
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>many times. And then after enough times of that, you know,

687
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.039
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it pans out. A lot of the times it doesn't.

688
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.359
<v Speaker 1>But there's only one way to know, and that's to

689
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.359
<v Speaker 1>drop everything and go look. So you're still doing good

690
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>work there, even if it just turns out to be

691
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 1>elk tracks.

692
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.799
<v Speaker 4>When I was in the BFR, like, there's times where

693
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 4>people be like this guy sounds nuts, or like all

694
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.920
<v Speaker 4>the reports, like the initial investigators say probable hosts without

695
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 4>even talking to the person, or like the the spelling

696
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 4>and grammar would be so bad you can really hardly

697
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:04.759
<v Speaker 4>understand what they were saying, Like this guy sounds like

698
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.200
<v Speaker 4>an idiot, you know, And then I'd follow up, but

699
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 4>I like those would payoffs. Sometimes you're like, just follow

700
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 4>up because you think it's a dead end, but then

701
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 4>it turns out they're like a great witness, you know.

702
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. There's a couple of my favorite reports that I

703
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 1>got from the BFRO that no one had ever taken,

704
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 1>where someone had submitted it as a report and not

705
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.799
<v Speaker 1>a comment, but they had just said something like, hey,

706
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I'd really love to talk to someone, right, And so

707
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>people never because they're like, oh, there's no information here,

708
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>and they move on. And I was like, well, let's

709
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>just see and then I get to talking to them,

710
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 1>and after they sort of felt it out and realized

711
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.519
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a lunatic, they'd go, hey, man, I got

712
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to tell you what I saw, and it would be

713
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>some incredible report. You know, it's just something amazing. So

714
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I was glad that I followed up on those because

715
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 1>some people are just so reticent, you know, they don't

716
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>necessarily want to lay all the cards on the table.

717
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>They're like, let me see what these people are about first,

718
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 1>and then if I feel like I can trust them,

719
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell them this thing that I saw that no

720
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.119
<v Speaker 1>one would believe under any other circumstances. And so things

721
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.359
<v Speaker 1>like that are definitely worth following up on.

722
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

723
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 4>Then I also had some things happened this year where

724
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.119
<v Speaker 4>if you didn't have recorders, you wouldn't even know there

725
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:11.839
<v Speaker 4>was action going on, or like when I went out

726
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 4>and figued with our buddy from Pennsylvania, you know, it

727
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 4>was all super storm. It was like the biggest storms

728
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 4>of the year. Again that the week we were out

729
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.279
<v Speaker 4>and we were there, we spent the whole night, We

730
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 4>spent several hours into one spot on the coast.

731
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:26.599
<v Speaker 3>And we left the record.

732
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:28.200
<v Speaker 4>He let the recorder go and we came back out

733
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 4>the next day and showed that there was a bunch

734
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 4>of knocks, you know, like twenty knocks over fifteen minute

735
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:34.640
<v Speaker 4>period that came up, you know, got closer to the

736
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 4>recorder and then just stopped when they got.

737
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 3>By the recorder.

738
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 4>But you know, it wouldn't even have known, like would

739
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 4>have done that if you hadn't let that recorder out.

740
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.119
<v Speaker 4>Go on audio, you know, it happened a few times

741
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 4>this year. The audio showed like, oh they were around.

742
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 4>They just weren't being like aggressive or you know, like

743
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 4>they're not being is loud and you know, like whe

744
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 4>they're trying to get the message across to leave, like

745
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.200
<v Speaker 4>these they were more just like doing their own trip,

746
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 4>not trying to engage us.

747
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's cool getting they were still there. Certainly.

748
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, when I was thinking about other evidence that

749
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:06.039
<v Speaker 1>I had seen this year, I only got to see

750
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>him for a couple of minutes, just because it was

751
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.279
<v Speaker 1>at a hectic event, But I thought those tracks that

752
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Eric Alton cast that he brought to the Ohio Bigfoot

753
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Conference were pretty compelling, you know. Like again, I only

754
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>got to spend a couple of minutes with him, but

755
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 1>they were very compelling to my eye.

756
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that was really really cool. Those were probably

757
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll say those were the best tracks out of Pennsylvania

758
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 2>that I'm aware of. Not a lot of stuff comes

759
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:32.000
<v Speaker 2>out of there.

760
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I think it happened in April or right at

761
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the first of May, because that had just happened when

762
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 1>he came to the Ohio conference, which is what on

763
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>May fourth or fifth or something like that, So it

764
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 1>was early May.

765
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, looking back in my text, it looks like I've

766
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:51.559
<v Speaker 2>got photographs of the originals on April twenty ninth, and

767
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I have photographs of them in the ground I think

768
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Speaker 2>from just a smidge before that. So yeah, that must

769
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.799
<v Speaker 2>yea April twenty eighth somewhere in there. You know, Eric,

770
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>if you're listening, by the way, still waiting for my copies,

771
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 2>no pressure, but yeah, so looking for the copies of

772
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>those casts. I really want to get into those. We

773
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 2>spend a little bit of time with them, at the

774
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Ohio Conference, another great event. Super stoked to be involved

775
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>in that. So, yeah, I spend a little bit of

776
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 2>time with them there, but I really really want to

777
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>get into these things. So Eric made great latex molds

778
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 2>of these things. I'm very much looking forward to putting

779
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>my eyes on them and spending a little bit of time,

780
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, because twenty minutes with cast doesn't tell you

781
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>very much. Yeah, you really have to spend some time,

782
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.920
<v Speaker 2>you should. I mean, you guys have both see my

783
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.519
<v Speaker 2>garage and there's castling around everywhere, and so I go

784
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>out there or whatever, and you know, I spend I

785
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 2>get very distracted, very easily. So I spend five or

786
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes looking at a cast sometimes and that's where

787
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I do most of my deep dives, my learning about

788
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>what the footprints are looking like and what the nuances

789
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>would be. So I'm really looking forward to getting my

790
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>mits on these things.

791
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we had him on the podcast shortly thereafter, So

792
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>if people haven't heard that episode you want to go

793
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.199
<v Speaker 1>listen to more of that story, just go back. It

794
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 1>would have been sometime in May, right after that. I

795
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 1>don't have the episode list in front of me, but

796
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 1>we did have Eric on to talk about those. I

797
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 1>was super stoked too, speaking of podcast episodes, to get

798
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.199
<v Speaker 1>John Zada on because I loved his book In the

799
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Valleys of the Not Well Beyond. And you know a

800
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of these authors who were published through like major publishers,

801
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.679
<v Speaker 1>who were not necessarily like enmeshed in the Sasquatch research community.

802
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not like a friend of a friend

803
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. I'd never would have really thought

804
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>about just trying to make contact somehow. And so he

805
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 1>was actually the one who initiated that because I had

806
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 1>I think I had republished maybe I hadn't republished it,

807
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.599
<v Speaker 1>but I had referenced that classic episode, A Terrifying Night

808
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 1>in the Marble Mountains, which I did re release this

809
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>year through the Classics, And John commented on our Instagram

810
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, oh, I recommended this episode to

811
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.119
<v Speaker 1>so many people, And so I messaged and I was like,

812
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised to hear that you listen, because man, I

813
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>loved your book, and would you be willing to come

814
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast? And he was up for it. And

815
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was a great episode, and you know

816
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.159
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people did too, So I hope it

817
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 1>drove a lot of people to read his book if

818
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 1>they hadn't yet, because that's such a great book.

819
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.239
<v Speaker 4>Besides that, Jeff Dice did your interview. The most times

820
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.159
<v Speaker 4>I got this year about a podcast was the rerun

821
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 4>of Sarah's sighting in the Marble Mountains.

822
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.679
<v Speaker 1>People love that episode. I love that episode. I've listened

823
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>to it multiple times me too. That's my favorite boo

824
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 1>surprise because you had just said, hey, I have a

825
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 1>witness lined up, and we said okay, and hopped on

826
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:28.320
<v Speaker 1>a call and started recording. And then as soon as

827
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 1>she started telling the story, I was like, oh my god,

828
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I've heard this, I've read this, I've read this report

829
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.599
<v Speaker 1>before it. So I was just amazed to talk to

830
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 1>her in person and I was like, I can't believe

831
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>you found this person. That's amazing, dude.

832
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's awesome.

833
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Another great witness interview that we had was Irving, the

834
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 1>guy who saw the Sasquatch it close range from his

835
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.880
<v Speaker 1>vehicle and got a really good look at his face.

836
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 1>That money maker hooked you up with, Cliff.

837
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that was very kind of Matt to let

838
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:53.880
<v Speaker 2>us have that one. And he was a great witness,

839
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.559
<v Speaker 2>fully smoked. What a great look and he's all on fire.

840
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Now he goes. I think he's gone back there now

841
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>and heard from him, but he's gone back a couple

842
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>of times, maybe twy. I know he went back initially

843
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 2>and then he's planning another trip I think before ye're in,

844
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if you got back out there

845
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:08.960
<v Speaker 2>or not.

846
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, between his episode and Jeff's episode, I think those

847
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.519
<v Speaker 1>were the two strongest eye or at least two of

848
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>my favorite eyewitness episodes that we had this year in

849
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four.

850
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Jeffs is the one that's one. I want Rugan

851
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 4>to here because he's because Ruggan's always all. I never

852
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.880
<v Speaker 4>heard you know a good hunter say that you know

853
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.599
<v Speaker 4>a good guy? You know, I've never met one or

854
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.800
<v Speaker 4>heard anyone that knows me one. It's like, well here's

855
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 4>one dummy.

856
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

857
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Friend of mine, a really good guy named Allan. I

858
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>actually literally spoke to him this morning. Good friend of mine.

859
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 2>He was he saw one of these things in October,

860
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it was it was October, and he asked

861
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 2>me where to go. He's going to be done by Florence.

862
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>They go, oh, go to the spot over here. I

863
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 2>ran into him there before. I've heard him there at

864
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>least I think, And he went there and he saw one.

865
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 2>He saw a little guy he said, about three four

866
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 2>feet tall or so something like that. He said, would

867
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 2>have been about the size of a he said, like

868
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.599
<v Speaker 2>a six seven year old human something like that. He

869
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 2>was walking and the thing ran across the cliff and

870
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.239
<v Speaker 2>it was upright. It was running on two legs. It

871
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>was all black in color. It just appeared on one

872
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 2>side out of the bushes and dropped down to the

873
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.039
<v Speaker 2>ravine on it. I don't know what it was. It's like, dude,

874
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.760
<v Speaker 2>well what else could it be? What else could and

875
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 2>so why I don't know what it was? Well, it

876
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:20.519
<v Speaker 2>was it was up it wasn't no, no, it was

877
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.679
<v Speaker 2>on four legs. It was on two legs. Man, listen

878
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:25.880
<v Speaker 2>to yourself, you know what it was. It's like, why

879
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 2>would you deny yourself that you.

880
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, have a set of balls, buddy.

881
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.800
<v Speaker 2>And you heard him Allan Bubo says you need some balls.

882
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean I mean in general, not not him not

883
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.679
<v Speaker 4>well yeah, him too, but all these guys that I

884
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Speaker 4>was like, you know, they know they're real, but they're

885
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 4>they're too afraid of the heckling. It's like everyone that

886
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.920
<v Speaker 4>had the settings, you know, came out or whatever. Encounter

887
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 4>is that the like you know of audio encounter really

888
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.639
<v Speaker 4>compelling tracks whatever, everyone if everyone came forward started talking

889
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 4>about it. It's like the UFO thing on the pilots

890
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.079
<v Speaker 4>start going public, you know, it's like stigma lessons and

891
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.840
<v Speaker 4>lessons and more and more info and get closer to

892
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 4>the truth.

893
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you scratch the service and everybody here in the

894
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Pacific Northwest as the story or knows somebody with the story.

895
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 2>One of the cool things about having a bigfoot museum

896
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>for Meles is that you never know who's going to

897
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 2>come by, you know. And we had a couple really

898
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:23.239
<v Speaker 2>notable visitors this year, maybe besides the regutters. Of course,

899
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Bobo and ten ten were work by, and of course

900
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Matt was there. Everybody knows. We had Michael Freeman drop by,

901
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.360
<v Speaker 2>and we did an event with Mark Marcel earlier in

902
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.239
<v Speaker 2>the year, and because of that we had the three

903
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 2>young gentlemen who rediscovered the mind the actual Ape Canyon mine.

904
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.719
<v Speaker 2>We did that event. But you know, of course both

905
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Alex and Eli from Small Town Monsters were in the

906
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.960
<v Speaker 2>museum at various points filming various things. But old friend

907
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Randy Chase dropped by this year. It's always a pleasure

908
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:54.199
<v Speaker 2>to see him. The Wizard though, I had to open

909
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>up Facebook for something in the last couple of days

910
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:00.119
<v Speaker 2>and I saw Randy dressed as Saint Nicholas. And I

911
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 2>don't mean like Santa Claus. I mean like as a saint,

912
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 2>like with the long red robe and the Saint had on. Man,

913
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 2>that guy's so cool, so cool. I love that guy.

914
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:08.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

915
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Of course. We had Clyde lewis well known sort of

916
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.039
<v Speaker 2>paranormal radio host. He's a friend of ours and he's

917
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 2>dropped by the museum for the first time and I

918
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 2>showed him around. He's a real nice guy. But probably

919
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:21.800
<v Speaker 2>the biggest find, I guess, or the biggest name in

920
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.599
<v Speaker 2>my opinion that came by the museum is Ron Olsen.

921
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 3>Now.

922
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Ron is a huge historical figure and doesn't even realize

923
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:31.760
<v Speaker 2>that I'm still trying to nail him down for an interview.

924
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:33.639
<v Speaker 2>He lives a few hours away from me, but I'm

925
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 2>willing to make the drive. Of course, he made that

926
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 2>real schlocky Bigfoot sort of pseudo documentary. You know where

927
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.159
<v Speaker 2>they call a big horse trail? Was it called Sasquatch?

928
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 2>What is it called matt You know the name, isn't

929
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:49.039
<v Speaker 2>it called Sasquatch? The legend of Bigfoot? Yeah, I think

930
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 2>that's about right.

931
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:50.840
<v Speaker 3>It's about right. Yeah.

932
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.519
<v Speaker 2>From the nineteen seventies. It's where these people do a

933
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 2>horse packing trip into some wilderness area and cougar jumps

934
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.559
<v Speaker 2>on him and all this other stuff. But that they

935
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 2>did a reenactment of the Ape Canyon stuff, and it

936
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>was that reenactment that put Mark Mercell on the trail

937
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 2>back in the day. And of course Ron Olson, I'm trying.

938
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I want to get his I want to get the

939
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:15.000
<v Speaker 2>historical scoop, you know, so to speak from what I understand,

940
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 2>and I could be incorrect, which is why I need

941
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to talk to mister Olson about this. I believe Ron

942
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Olson took over Roger Patterson's Northwest like organization thing that

943
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 2>he'd you know, like his little fan club that he

944
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.719
<v Speaker 2>did back in the day. I believe Ron Olson took

945
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 2>that over from Roger Patterson when Roger passed away. So

946
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to find out more about that. He had

947
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>like an actual office for Bigfoot stuff. He's the guy

948
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 2>that would put that initiated the Bigfoot trap down down

949
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 2>in Applegate. Oregan he had. He has so much history

950
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 2>in him. He came in the museum one day and

951
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I was actually not even at the museum. Nico I

952
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 2>think called me, or one of my employees, I think

953
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 2>it was Nico called me and said, Hey, some guy

954
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.079
<v Speaker 2>named ron Olsen's here. You know that name, don't you.

955
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>When I went, holy crap, hold him down. I'll be

956
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>there as soon as I can. And I hopped in

957
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>the car and went down and I met him. It

958
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.039
<v Speaker 2>was fantastic, absolutely fantastic. I look forward to meeting him

959
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 2>again and sitting them down and asking them these questions.

960
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I've been saying that for far too long, but again,

961
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 2>my schedule has been pretty tightly.

962
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and speaking of the small town monsters, folks, since

963
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you brought up Alex and Eli, like two of my

964
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 1>favorite memories from this year, I participated in two different

965
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:31.519
<v Speaker 1>productions with them, one of which Seth directed in western

966
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:33.880
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina that he made a film out of called

967
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>The Ancients. That was so much fun to be a

968
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.719
<v Speaker 1>part of. Myself and doctor Russ Jones. For the most part,

969
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 1>the two of us were there for everything, and then

970
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>some of our friends came through as like talking heads

971
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.159
<v Speaker 1>like Adam Davies and Micah Hanks and my friend Jeff Carpenter.

972
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>But then Alex came out and joined Darryl Callier and

973
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 1>I when we were out in the field in North Georgia.

974
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Daryl and I went out for a week and one

975
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite places, and Alex came out for the

976
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>last few nights. And he's put together a series called

977
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>The Appalachian Bigfoot Files and use some of that footage

978
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:02.800
<v Speaker 1>in the first episode. And I think he's going to

979
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>do a Georgia centric one with more of that footage,

980
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.760
<v Speaker 1>but I could be wrong about that either way. That

981
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 1>would hadn't been released yet. But all those small town

982
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.559
<v Speaker 1>monsters folks are so much fun to be around and

983
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 1>always just a joy to work with, and there's no

984
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 1>pressure and it's just like hanging out with great friends.

985
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:20.239
<v Speaker 1>So and I love the stuff that they shot there

986
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 1>at Mount Hood in the museum, and like Bobo mentioned

987
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 1>that Go Road documentary that Alex recently released, all great stuff.

988
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.360
<v Speaker 4>What's funny is if you don't like I don't look

989
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 4>at it. I look at the you know, the YouTube

990
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.800
<v Speaker 4>home channel whatever, for like a month or two, I'll

991
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 4>click on it. There's nine new titles you know, in

992
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.559
<v Speaker 4>like six weeks, those guys pump out so much stuff

993
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 4>it's crazy.

994
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they're super productive. I mean because you've got

995
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.039
<v Speaker 1>that much talent and that many people just sort of

996
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>doing their own thing, all under that umbrella of small

997
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.679
<v Speaker 1>town monsters or something for everyone, you know, which is

998
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>really great.

999
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, film with both those guys this year. I guess

1000
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>they're they're they're planning on something about the NABC, which

1001
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>would be cool. That's Eli sing And I know Alex

1002
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>was here. And I think a day or two before

1003
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Alex showed up, one of my other employees, Dave, ran

1004
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.639
<v Speaker 2>into a sasquatch up there. He was up there with

1005
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.599
<v Speaker 2>some friends of his, some of the researchers, and something

1006
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 2>was knocking at him pretty close. And again, Dave's the

1007
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>skeptic in our crowd. You know, he's the guy I've

1008
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 2>told talked about him in the podcast before. If Dave

1009
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.320
<v Speaker 2>thinks something is true, it probably is because he'll look

1010
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:26.960
<v Speaker 2>at footprints and go, well, that one's a great one.

1011
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.559
<v Speaker 2>That one's a great one. The next one, I don't

1012
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:30.079
<v Speaker 2>know if that's one, but the one after that is

1013
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.239
<v Speaker 2>a great one too. So it was like number three.

1014
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>You doubt at a four. Come on, man, he's super,

1015
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 2>super skeptical, so if something convinces him, something is going on.

1016
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:40.840
<v Speaker 2>So I know, Alex and I went out with Dave

1017
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.320
<v Speaker 2>to the spot I think a day or two after

1018
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.599
<v Speaker 2>he ran into those things, and we filmed out there.

1019
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen it or anything like that, but it's

1020
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.840
<v Speaker 2>out there if people can go watch it. I know

1021
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.039
<v Speaker 2>we found footprints while we're out there. Hopefully that made

1022
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:54.920
<v Speaker 2>the cut. I don't know.

1023
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone who listens to this podcast should be subscribed

1024
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.519
<v Speaker 1>to Small Town Monsters on YouTube. They just do great staff.

1025
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I imagine most of them already are.

1026
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1027
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:09.039
<v Speaker 5>Probably stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

1028
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 5>and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Of course,

1029
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.079
<v Speaker 5>at the museum again, we rounded out the end of

1030
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 5>the year. Michael Freeman came down did a presentation, a

1031
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:26.480
<v Speaker 5>brand new presentation just for the NABC members. I was

1032
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.679
<v Speaker 5>in November, and of course we're looking forward to the

1033
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.880
<v Speaker 5>museum getting our hands on and becoming the curators of

1034
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:37.280
<v Speaker 5>the Paul Freeman Collection when doctor Meldrum retires. So we're

1035
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 5>looking forward to that, and we made an arrangement with

1036
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:42.719
<v Speaker 5>Michael Freeman, so we'll be the caretakers of those casts,

1037
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 5>the originals. We already have several of the original Freeman

1038
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 5>casts in the museum in various displays, so people can

1039
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:50.079
<v Speaker 5>combine and see those in.

1040
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Whatever they like. But yeah, Michael and I continue to

1041
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 2>be very very good friends and kind of plowing ahead

1042
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.519
<v Speaker 2>and trying to make some plans about some possible projects

1043
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 2>in the future. As they come to fruition. I'll be

1044
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.199
<v Speaker 2>able to share things with people here in the podcast.

1045
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's looking forward to twenty twenty five though,

1046
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess very cool.

1047
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.199
<v Speaker 1>I know we're going to talk about some things we're

1048
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to in twenty twenty five over at the

1049
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 1>members section on the Bonus podcast there. We did that

1050
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 1>last year and I went back and listened to that

1051
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.320
<v Speaker 1>in preparation for this and some of the things we

1052
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.679
<v Speaker 1>were anticipating that we're still kind of waiting on, you know,

1053
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:26.119
<v Speaker 1>not our own projects, but projects other people are working on.

1054
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.960
<v Speaker 1>So we're going to endeavor to get those people back

1055
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.639
<v Speaker 1>on Bigfoot and beyond to maybe give us updates on

1056
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a few of those projects.

1057
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 3>I can say this, We've got James Fox coming up

1058
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 3>in a few.

1059
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Weeks people love that documentary. I haven't gotten to see

1060
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.840
<v Speaker 1>it yet, but a good friend of mine just watched

1061
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it and said it was amazing.

1062
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's that. What is it called?

1063
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 1>It's out, It's called the program.

1064
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.599
<v Speaker 4>But you gotta have a like not who is something

1065
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.599
<v Speaker 4>like that? Yeah, there's some like one of those sign

1066
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.239
<v Speaker 4>up services.

1067
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's on any of the video on demand services

1068
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 1>like Apple Movies or Apple TV, Amazon Prime Video. Yeah,

1069
00:46:59.159 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff.

1070
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I thought I was only on one thing.

1071
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.639
<v Speaker 1>No, No, it's it's available for purchase and then in

1072
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 1>two weeks from the release date, I think it'll be

1073
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.199
<v Speaker 1>available for rent, but you could you could purchase it

1074
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>right now through Amazon, Apple, a lot of those big ones.

1075
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've been discussing. I mean, I normally wouldn't say

1076
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:18.679
<v Speaker 2>what I think is going to happen in the future,

1077
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 2>because I'm very often incorrect about that stuff. But several

1078
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 2>times over the last month or two, Darby has reached

1079
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.280
<v Speaker 2>out to me and mentioned the podcast. I haven't forgotten Cliff,

1080
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>and we want to set outside a date and we

1081
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:33.119
<v Speaker 2>want to do this. He wants to come back on

1082
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 2>and just even if it's a twenty minute update, just

1083
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.760
<v Speaker 2>give us an update. On how that North Carolina study

1084
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 2>is going any of the interesting things about it, because

1085
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Bigfoot community in general is rather impatient

1086
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.320
<v Speaker 2>about these things. He gets a lot of emails saying,

1087
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>what's up with this? How comes whatever? And it's even

1088
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 2>to the point where some people are thinking that the

1089
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.519
<v Speaker 2>whole thing's fake because nothing has happened yet, when the

1090
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>fact is science happens very slowly.

1091
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 4>He told us three to four years, he said, he

1092
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:00.679
<v Speaker 4>goes to three to four years.

1093
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Apparently the Bigfoot community didn't get the message, you know,

1094
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 2>because they're they're you know, sending him emails constantly and saying,

1095
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:08.559
<v Speaker 2>what is up with this? What is up with this?

1096
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.239
<v Speaker 2>So Darby said that as soon as he gets a

1097
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit of time, and maybe even soon. Actually I

1098
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>think he might be on that winter break, but he

1099
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>does have family obligations. But he has not forgotten. He

1100
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.280
<v Speaker 2>mentions it to me probably every two or three weeks.

1101
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.639
<v Speaker 2>I haven't forgot about the podcast. I still want to

1102
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 2>come on. You guys are going to be the people

1103
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:26.719
<v Speaker 2>that we want to go on with and talk about

1104
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the projects and stuff. So that we will be getting

1105
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.519
<v Speaker 2>an update from Darby probably in the next month or

1106
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:32.400
<v Speaker 2>two I think.

1107
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 4>Well, unfortunately, everyone wants to get academic and like scientific

1108
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 4>recognition and you know, involvement. It's like, well this, you

1109
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 4>got it. This is what real science is like. It's

1110
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.320
<v Speaker 4>not like to start yelling all your early results or

1111
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, like what you suspect. It's they're doing the

1112
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 4>real professional academics scientific protocol.

1113
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's extraordinarily, extraordinarily conservative about this, as he

1114
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.559
<v Speaker 2>should be if you rush out of study like this.

1115
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.760
<v Speaker 2>And if he gets any positive results, I don't even

1116
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.840
<v Speaker 2>know if he has. I know he's got some interesting results,

1117
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:04.880
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if he's got any positive results.

1118
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.760
<v Speaker 2>So and you have to be so cautious because if

1119
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.320
<v Speaker 2>he's if if any of this screws up, you know,

1120
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 2>like a false positive is put out there, it's going

1121
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:16.719
<v Speaker 2>to do more damage and good and that's the last

1122
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:18.800
<v Speaker 2>thing he wants to do. So we'll be getting some

1123
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:20.199
<v Speaker 2>sort of update at some point.

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00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 1>That'd be great. I know a lot of listeners are

1125
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:24.639
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to that because we get a lot of

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00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.159
<v Speaker 1>emails about it, so that's good news.

1127
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:30.119
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, twenty twenty four has been a great year. Busy, busy.

1128
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I hope to be a little less busy next time,

1129
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:34.440
<v Speaker 2>but still I'm busy with bigfoot stuff. So have that

1130
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 2>going to be I hope twenty twenty five it produces

1131
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:40.440
<v Speaker 2>a few more sightings I was. We're a little low

1132
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 2>on local sidings in my opinion, you know, three or

1133
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 2>four or five maybe or something like that. I'd like

1134
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 2>to have maybe one a month. First year or two

1135
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 2>of the museum. We're getting about about one a month.

1136
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.719
<v Speaker 2>I think we got nine or something local sightings the

1137
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.760
<v Speaker 2>first year, so a little less than one a month.

1138
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.519
<v Speaker 2>I hope that picks up a little bit. But I

1139
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 2>can't complain as far as footprints go, and I certainly

1140
00:49:58.039 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>can't complain with as much as I've been getting out

1141
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 2>and finding footprints independently of anybody else. So that's always

1142
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 2>a good sign. When you find a footprint and nobody

1143
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 2>told you what was there, you could be fairly sure

1144
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:11.920
<v Speaker 2>it's a reasonable chance that it's not faked.

1145
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:13.440
<v Speaker 1>So there's that.

1146
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.840
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully we'll just keep gathering more data and building

1147
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.840
<v Speaker 2>a mountain of data to stand upon and try to

1148
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:21.400
<v Speaker 2>draw some conclusions out of this, out of these things

1149
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 2>to see where they go, where they move, And as

1150
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.559
<v Speaker 2>long as I'm out there once or twice a week.

1151
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 2>You never know, and it might stumble acron upon one

1152
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.760
<v Speaker 2>of these things. And there is not a day I

1153
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 2>go out that I don't walk around with the camera

1154
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.119
<v Speaker 2>literally in my hand. So if I can get footage

1155
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:35.039
<v Speaker 2>this year, that'd be awesome.

1156
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.079
<v Speaker 3>Leave the camera at home, clip and have a sighting.

1157
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Now, how would you feel about if you saw one

1158
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 2>and I forgot the camera that day.

1159
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 4>I do not expect to ever film one during the daytime.

1160
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:49.320
<v Speaker 4>Only chances are the therm at night.

1161
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know a guy who's seen him three times

1162
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 2>during the daytime in my area in thirteen months.

1163
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:58.199
<v Speaker 4>It's so quick, though, I'd never get the camera ready.

1164
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:00.519
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's always so fat, you know, it's like

1165
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 4>that's till I got that stuff trying to get together,

1166
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:04.840
<v Speaker 4>turn it on, get it focused, and be like gone.

1167
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:06.760
<v Speaker 2>That's why I carry it in my hand and not

1168
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 2>my backpack.

1169
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:09.599
<v Speaker 1>But what would have a camera that only works when

1170
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:11.639
<v Speaker 1>he's in his truck and it's connected to Bluetooth.

1171
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<v Speaker 4>He's all right, folks, Thanks again for tuning in to

1172
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:20.440
<v Speaker 4>Bigfoot and Beyond. We appreciate you spending another year with us,

1173
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.440
<v Speaker 4>and we're gonna get over to our Patreon section for

1174
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:28.159
<v Speaker 4>our members and continue on the fest over there. And

1175
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.360
<v Speaker 4>so you guys, thanks again, have a happy New Year

1176
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 4>or squatchy one and keep it squatchy.

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1179
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1180
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:52.039
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1181
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.679
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1182
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.400
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1183
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