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Speaker 1: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hello, Bobo, Matt. How are you guys doing?
Speaker 3: Pretty good? Happy new Year?
Speaker 2: Almost huh it's coming, whether ready or not.
Speaker 3: I'm ready?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? Twenty four has been good.
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, no coing plasure for me. Very good.
Speaker 2: Well, pro you're back there somewhere, aren't you.
Speaker 1: I am indeed celebrating the disclosure of an awesome year.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four was indeed good.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So end of the year episode. So we're
Speaker 2: going to be looking back at this year and hopefully
Speaker 2: and maybe a looking at head a little bit to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Hopefully there's a good couple of good
Speaker 2: things on the horizon out there. So what do you
Speaker 2: guys think here?
Speaker 3: The highlight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, highlights, I mean a couple of the big ones
Speaker 2: for me of course, or you know, every year we
Speaker 2: start and we're doing it again. This year is squatch
Speaker 2: Fest in January. I love squatch Fest. It's easily one
Speaker 2: of my favorite gigs. Number One, I can drive there.
Speaker 2: That's always a pleasure. You know, it's an hour and
Speaker 2: a half from the house or something like that. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate that. But also the roster of people coming
Speaker 2: to speak every year is just fantastic. Last year we
Speaker 2: had Meldrum. He's not gonna be on it this year,
Speaker 2: I guess, but but last year we had Meldrum and
Speaker 2: Matt Pruitt and a handful of other people that make
Speaker 2: my day as well. And a lot of people just
Speaker 2: pop by to say hi too, Like where else can
Speaker 2: you go to a conference and you know, have Mark
Speaker 2: Marcel come by to say hi because he wasn't that
Speaker 2: far away, or you know, or Chris Spencer or Shane
Speaker 2: cor Olympic Project guys usually speak there, so if they
Speaker 2: have a booth, that was a great gig. I always
Speaker 2: look back on that one fondly and I always look
Speaker 2: ahead to that one and to a patient.
Speaker 4: Only been to one, and it was that's why I
Speaker 4: met Mark Marcel. I was liket this homeless guy in here.
Speaker 4: Keep an eye on him, so I'm going to steal something,
Speaker 4: and it is Mark Brcell.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, way.
Speaker 2: I had a great gift idea for Mark Marcel I
Speaker 2: was gonna and it's a long term one. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if Mark listens to the podcast or not.
Speaker 2: But if he does, sorry Mark, And if you don't, good.
Speaker 1: He strikes me as someone who does not listen to podcasts.
Speaker 2: That's what I think too.
Speaker 1: He seems like someone who more listens to like the grammarphone,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one of those record players with the horn, yeah,
Speaker 2: instead of a speaker.
Speaker 3: Totally. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to get him a gift. I want to
Speaker 2: buy him like a variety pack of socks, but then
Speaker 2: pull him out and mismatch him so none of them
Speaker 2: match the other one, and then like ball him up
Speaker 2: like we do, you know, And then I'll give him
Speaker 2: like a half dozen socks that don't match one another.
Speaker 2: And then the following year, for his birthday, I'll give
Speaker 2: him the other half, you know, the other set that
Speaker 2: doesn't match. Since he matches his socks by thickness instead
Speaker 2: of color.
Speaker 3: The Hill insist to come from a good will and
Speaker 3: be used.
Speaker 2: Well, well, it'll come with goodwill.
Speaker 1: I love that guy. I think if you could instantiate
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest into a single being. It would be
Speaker 1: Mark Murcell.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty good representation.
Speaker 2: I'd say Mark is great.
Speaker 1: That would be a good gift idea, very creative and generous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of hard to believe that Squatchfest was
Speaker 1: almost a year ago, because I feel like I was
Speaker 1: just there and just at your house, and now we're
Speaker 1: getting ready to do that again, Like, oh, that was
Speaker 1: like the other day, but now it's happening again because
Speaker 1: it was a year ago, because it's been a crazy,
Speaker 1: hectic year. Well, another great thing about that trip is
Speaker 1: that our friends who were the you know, the Bluff
Speaker 1: Creek Bigfoot guys, Doug Shay and Todd Samples and Carrie,
Speaker 1: you know, they came up for that trip and decided
Speaker 1: to make a day trip before squatch Fest started and
Speaker 1: had a sasquatch siding before the conference, and then you
Speaker 1: and I and my wife Emily got to go out
Speaker 1: there with him, and there were still tracks left in
Speaker 1: the ground and Emily got to cast one of those tracks.
Speaker 1: We did a podcast episode about it, you know. It's
Speaker 1: kind of one of our earlier episodes in the year,
Speaker 1: episode two hundred and fifty and so that was a
Speaker 1: super eventful weekend, and I guess your museum members would know,
Speaker 1: like we filmed the video one of the secret spots
Speaker 1: one night and then filmed a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: from that investigation with Doug and Todd and Kerry, and
Speaker 1: so a lot happened that week.
Speaker 2: I still hadn't even I have not even made that
Speaker 2: the footage that we got up at the sighting location
Speaker 2: into a museum video yet. I've been kind of crunched
Speaker 2: for time, as I always am, and I want to
Speaker 2: make that one spectacular because not only did you and
Speaker 2: I and Emily go up there on Sunday after the
Speaker 2: event with the witnesses, I think I went up there
Speaker 2: three more times, at least two, but I think I
Speaker 2: went up there three more times afterwards, and I filmed
Speaker 2: every one of them, and on one of them we
Speaker 2: got a vocalization like Keith and I were there. We're
Speaker 2: on our knees looking at a track and then off
Speaker 2: the hills. So and we happen to be recording video
Speaker 2: at the time. So so much happened with that, and
Speaker 2: we got so many casts, and it was such an
Speaker 2: interesting circumstance because the guys didn't see it for very long,
Speaker 2: but they got a good enough view. We found about
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards of tracks, We found hand prints,
Speaker 2: we found where the things sat down in the ferns
Speaker 2: and waited for the dudes to go away, and then
Speaker 2: we have vocalization on the follow up stuff. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: much happened. I've wanted to really really focus and make
Speaker 2: that an excellent video because a lot of times I'm
Speaker 2: doing these things kind of you know, I got three
Speaker 2: or four days to pieces video together, and I just
Speaker 2: feel like that one deserves more time and more attention.
Speaker 2: So I've not been able to do that yet, but
Speaker 2: maybe I'll do that for the one year anniversary. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll do that for the last one in January.
Speaker 2: Because this week I'm also up against the wall. I
Speaker 2: have another video to make. So Shane Corson and I
Speaker 2: went out to a spot we call it the Outer
Speaker 2: Rim because it's pretty hard to get to and it's
Speaker 2: totally far away. I started going there last May and
Speaker 2: we so found footprints, seventeen inch footprints several times up there.
Speaker 2: So I brought Shane Corson up there with me and
Speaker 2: I said, hey, I want to show you these spots
Speaker 2: where we got these footprints, and we found a ton
Speaker 2: more a ton of footprints cast of like eight or
Speaker 2: nine of them that one day, three different individuals. It
Speaker 2: was fantastic. So that's the one I'm piecing together this
Speaker 2: week for the museum members.
Speaker 4: What was the story that made you send of those
Speaker 4: guys out? There's something that just recently happened there, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, it turns out that they wanted to go
Speaker 2: hiking at Mount Saint Helens. And this is like on
Speaker 2: Wednesday or Thursday, I think Thursday. They wanted to go
Speaker 2: hiking at Mount Saint Helens, but the weather was lousy.
Speaker 2: It was raining everywhere. So they pulled up their weather
Speaker 2: app and looked at the radar and there was one
Speaker 2: little patch where there was no rain forecast and it
Speaker 2: was down by Mount Hood Sandy Ridge trailhead about it,
Speaker 2: you know, less than ten miles from where I'm sitting
Speaker 2: at this very moment. And they said, well, let's go
Speaker 2: hiking there. You know, we want to go to Mount
Speaker 2: Saint Helen because of the history on that jest, let's
Speaker 2: go hiking there. At least it's not gonna be to rain.
Speaker 2: And that's why they chose that spot and they ran
Speaker 2: into they literally saw his assquatch late in the afternoon.
Speaker 3: So cool. Those guys are great. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just saw I felt so bad. I just
Speaker 4: saw that small town monsters talking to me Alex did
Speaker 4: on the go ro and I was in it, and
Speaker 4: those guys were They're like, they're talking about their snow
Speaker 4: tracks and they're like, yeah, we called. We called Boa
Speaker 4: and he actually got back to us right away. He
Speaker 4: occasionally answers, but not usually, so we knew it was.
Speaker 4: It was a good fine And I was like, oh man,
Speaker 4: I felt so bad. I'm like, those guys are totally cool.
Speaker 4: Like I never like to say I'm not going to
Speaker 4: call those guys back and I just stuff I don't know,
Speaker 4: like just don't follow up on time and stuff. But
Speaker 4: those guys are super cool. I want I want to
Speaker 4: get those guys involved. That new spot I'm going to
Speaker 4: go to on the coast. I'm gonna do that, like
Speaker 4: a get a place where could take the quads in
Speaker 4: and more.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of gravel.
Speaker 4: We can you know, kind of hide the tracks a
Speaker 4: little bit and get the quad sitting off the off
Speaker 4: the main road. Then have a place set up there
Speaker 4: where we can go to so we're not trying out
Speaker 4: to Bluff Creek two and a half hours, you know,
Speaker 4: like drive twenty thirty minutes and we're there for sure.
Speaker 1: And Doug, Todd and Carrie don't feel bad Bobo doesn't
Speaker 1: always answer or return our calls either. I think, of
Speaker 1: all my friends, you're the hardest person to get ahold
Speaker 1: of that. I know, Bobo.
Speaker 3: I just didn't have a ringer on. I don't carry
Speaker 3: my phone all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we first started doing this podcast, like five
Speaker 1: and a half years ago, i'd get your voicemail that
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I'm going to be out of service
Speaker 1: for a few days. Just leave a voicemail and get
Speaker 1: back to you. And so I'd call Cliff and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I tried to get ahold of Boo.
Speaker 1: I guess he's out in the woods, you know. And
Speaker 1: Cliff was like, oh, no, that's been his voicemail for
Speaker 1: like ten years.
Speaker 3: I think I'll change it.
Speaker 1: I guess, Well, what was the thing recently, like you
Speaker 1: you sent me this list of a slew of ceremonial
Speaker 1: rites or rituals. You said, like I can only get
Speaker 1: texts like if I'm in my truck on Bluetooth, and
Speaker 1: I opened my contacts and I clear. So I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: holy get texts when the sun's edit zenith in my
Speaker 1: back is to the thirty fourth parallel, and my left
Speaker 1: foot is pointed west, in my right foot east and
Speaker 1: I use my left thump. It was a lot.
Speaker 2: When do you think about it, Think of the troubleshooting
Speaker 2: that Bobo had to go through to defind, to actually
Speaker 2: discover the combination of events that needs to be aligned
Speaker 2: in order to receive a text.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was curious about.
Speaker 4: It was all happens to that. I wasn't trying to
Speaker 4: figure anything. I was just I mean, I was besting
Speaker 4: around like I was in the truck. And also I
Speaker 4: was like, well a text came through and I could
Speaker 4: hit I parked the truck and didn't drive and put
Speaker 4: it in park.
Speaker 3: I could hit view and see it.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying, Doug Todd, Carey, don't don't take
Speaker 1: it personally. Clip and I don't always get responses or answers,
Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny. This has happened to me
Speaker 1: more than once. I remember the last time it happened
Speaker 1: to me. I was in the theater being Emily went
Speaker 1: and saw a movie. It's like, sometimes I'll call Bobo. Well,
Speaker 1: most times i'll call Bobo, he doesn't answer. But there's
Speaker 1: times when you want to talk to me and you'll
Speaker 1: call like six times in a row until I answer.
Speaker 1: Bobo was like, no, you will be available.
Speaker 3: Now, that's just something excited.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, getting back to last January when we
Speaker 2: were up there at Sandy Ridge trailhead for that siding,
Speaker 2: again I mentioned I went there at least two or
Speaker 2: three more times after you and Emily had left, because
Speaker 2: I was trying to track the animal further and in
Speaker 2: both directions, where did it come from? Where to go to?
Speaker 2: We left some good tracks in the ground that Sunday
Speaker 2: when we were out there, so I wanted to go
Speaker 2: see if I can record those and cast those, you know,
Speaker 2: take some GPS coordinates and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But one of the days, it was Friday, whatever, I
Speaker 2: think it was probably February third, or you know, early
Speaker 2: February that whatever that Friday was. After all that I
Speaker 2: was on my way up there, I was you know,
Speaker 2: you can't drive to the spot, you have to walk in.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't that far of a walk, but it
Speaker 2: was uphill. They were probably half mile three quarters of
Speaker 2: a mile or something, probably just shive a mile somewhere
Speaker 2: in there. And so I had already done I think,
Speaker 2: two trips up with plaster put you know, put the
Speaker 2: plaster in the ground cast mist, and those were drawing,
Speaker 2: and I had gone back to the car, maybe dropped
Speaker 2: a castop or something, I don't remember. And there's also
Speaker 2: no water down there, so I had to drag water
Speaker 2: up too. So I was hoping and I was alone.
Speaker 2: I was alone, and one of these walks up there,
Speaker 2: I was pretty tired at that point. I was getting
Speaker 2: close to the spot. I was well more than a
Speaker 2: half mile in there. And then I get a call
Speaker 2: from a fellow research for a friend of mine, and
Speaker 2: I pick up because he doesn't call me very often.
Speaker 2: I go, Hey, what's happening, and he goes, I just
Speaker 2: saw one. I just saw your big foot, blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. But he's freaking out, freaking out, And in
Speaker 2: long story short, he had just observed the two sasquatches
Speaker 2: we have been tracking in one of my other research
Speaker 2: areas for a couple of years. He didn't get a
Speaker 2: great look at him. But he walked in on one
Speaker 2: of the roads that we continually look at that I
Speaker 2: even found tracks there a couple of weeks ago. You know,
Speaker 2: he walked in on that road because he had never
Speaker 2: walked down there before, supposedly, like he just never had
Speaker 2: gone down there. He he always works a different area
Speaker 2: a few roads over. So he says, well, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go down Cliffs Road to day, you know. So
Speaker 2: he goes down there and there's two large animals down
Speaker 2: slope in the shadows and the cedar shadows down there,
Speaker 2: stomping and breaking branches and whatever and going back and forth,
Speaker 2: and he's scared him really really badly, scared him really badly. Actually,
Speaker 2: he was afraid to go back to his truck on
Speaker 2: the road because he thought that he'd be They're gonna
Speaker 2: get him or something, you know like that. But you know,
Speaker 2: it sounds ridiculous right now saying it, but when you're
Speaker 2: in that situation, it's not so ridiculous, honestly, not at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So he was, he was quite frightened. So he went
Speaker 2: back straight up the hill to the main road and
Speaker 2: think took the long way around basically, and then so
Speaker 2: I think that was on the Friday or something, if
Speaker 2: I remember right, maybe a Thursday. I don't remember that
Speaker 2: to look, but so so I got together with this
Speaker 2: guy the next day, him and another friend of his
Speaker 2: that he does a lot of research with out there,
Speaker 2: and we went to the spot. And I know this
Speaker 2: state because the photographs are from February third, so I
Speaker 2: know that, so he must have seen it on the second.
Speaker 2: And we went there and we went down the slope
Speaker 2: to where he said these these things were moving around.
Speaker 2: He said there was a big one and a smaller one.
Speaker 2: He said one was nine feet when was six feet.
Speaker 2: But he was afraid and he was above them, and
Speaker 2: people are bad, you know, estimators of that sort of thing. Anyway,
Speaker 2: so I don't think they were quite that big, because
Speaker 2: he'd seen the smaller one before, and he said, he
Speaker 2: said six feet this time, but he had actually observed
Speaker 2: the smaller one before, and he said the thing was
Speaker 2: probably about my size, a little smaller. And I'm five
Speaker 2: foot eight, so the thing was five and a half
Speaker 2: feet tall or something probably, so not too far from six,
Speaker 2: you know. And again he was scared, so we expect
Speaker 2: him to exaggerate a little bit, so a big one
Speaker 2: in a small one basically, and when we got to
Speaker 2: the site, we found sign down there where he observed
Speaker 2: these things, including a handprint on the side because it
Speaker 2: was a steep slope that this thing was moving back
Speaker 2: and forth with on and then broke, breaking the branches
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. There was a handprint
Speaker 2: on the end cline. It wasn't really good, but it
Speaker 2: was clearly a hand more than one actually, and then
Speaker 2: footprints going back and forth. And then we back tracked
Speaker 2: it down to the creek and then up the other slope,
Speaker 2: kind of found the general area where it came from
Speaker 2: before we lost it, and then we hiked up the
Speaker 2: creek a little bit and came back on the road
Speaker 2: that we normally hike in and out on and the
Speaker 2: snow was melting away. It actually had melted quite a
Speaker 2: bit in the rain the previous night. But yeah, we
Speaker 2: found tracks. We found tracks, and it was the same
Speaker 2: two I believe it was the same too, that we've
Speaker 2: been tracking for years, the twelve inch in the fourteen inch.
Speaker 2: So that was really encouraging, and it was quite an
Speaker 2: active week. I thought, Man, if twenty twenty four is
Speaker 2: gonna be like this, it's gonna be a ridiculous year.
Speaker 2: It hasn't really proven to be that ridiculous of a year.
Speaker 2: There's been actually a smaller number of sidings than what
Speaker 2: we're used to, but two in the first like five
Speaker 2: weeks of the year was quite good, especially since I
Speaker 2: think in the first between those two sidings alone, I
Speaker 2: think I emulated something like twelve or fifteen casts. So
Speaker 2: the year started with the bang.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you that, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Speaker 5: beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after
Speaker 5: these messages.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely looking forward to next year's trip in a
Speaker 1: few weeks, and hopefully something equally squatchy happens that we
Speaker 1: can go run around and check out and see if
Speaker 1: there's a fire where someone sees smoke, so to speak,
Speaker 1: that would be great. But it will be great to
Speaker 1: get back to the Northwest and see the NABC again
Speaker 1: and all that. But we I got really lucky to
Speaker 1: do a lot of events with you this year, because
Speaker 1: you know, there's plenty of years like we just don't
Speaker 1: see each other. We live you know, you live in
Speaker 1: the Northwest. I live in the Southeast, and pass don't cross,
Speaker 1: but this year, we actually got to do a lot.
Speaker 1: We did four different events together and then we went
Speaker 1: to see Dead and Company in Vegas. But so maybe
Speaker 1: that trend will continue to some degree, although I've only
Speaker 1: committed it two making events next year, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to keep it to that so i can
Speaker 1: work on other sasquatch related projects, you know, specifically field
Speaker 1: stuff and also writing projects too.
Speaker 3: Where's your film?
Speaker 1: We're going to be pro North Georgia. Nine out of
Speaker 1: ten trips, I'm still going to North Georgia these days.
Speaker 1: There's some other areas of like Tennessee and Kentucky I like,
Speaker 1: but I've just spent so much time, so many years
Speaker 1: in North Georgia and I just might as well drive
Speaker 1: the extra couple hours and get down there and be
Speaker 1: in some of my favorite spots and places I just
Speaker 1: know like the back of my hand, and you know,
Speaker 1: like the county I grew up and alone, I just
Speaker 1: know so many places, let alone the surrounding county. So
Speaker 1: try to get down there as much as possible in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, for sure, But with Squatch Fest coming up, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to see some of these places that close
Speaker 1: finding tracks because we only got to go to a
Speaker 1: couple of places when I was out there, so I'd
Speaker 1: love to see a different spot if possible, if time allows.
Speaker 1: But who knows.
Speaker 2: Well, you get in kind of early on Wednesday, you know,
Speaker 2: and if we can get out of the report kind
Speaker 2: of early, that gives us a few hours of daylight,
Speaker 2: and I can my spot's are only an hour away,
Speaker 2: you know, so that's easy. And of course Thursday we
Speaker 2: have that event with you at the Museum's probably going
Speaker 2: to release tickets, probably around the time that this podcast
Speaker 2: airs too, by the way, so like maybe the last
Speaker 2: week of December is what we're kind of thinking at
Speaker 2: this point, at the latest, first week of January, of course.
Speaker 2: But on Thursday, I'll probably maybe wake up early and
Speaker 2: take you out again or something to show you the woods.
Speaker 3: There one who be the tickets available for people that
Speaker 3: hear this, I don't think, well there all the members
Speaker 3: will get them all what.
Speaker 2: They Well, what will happen is that I'll release them
Speaker 2: from museum members first, and then I'll give them about
Speaker 2: a week to buy tickets, and then after that week,
Speaker 2: what we'll do is we'll open them up to the
Speaker 2: podcast members next, you know, and there'll be plenty of
Speaker 2: tickets for people who want to do it. We can
Speaker 2: only sell about forty tickets a little less, actually, I
Speaker 2: usually limit it's about thirty two or so because I've
Speaker 2: got a bunch of dead beat friends that tend to
Speaker 2: show up, and I would too. I'm one of those
Speaker 2: dead beats that would be happy to show up and
Speaker 2: take a free ticket, you know. So like Boba, if
Speaker 2: you show up, you're coming in for free. If Bart
Speaker 2: shows up like he says, he's coming in for free.
Speaker 2: You know, usually the Olympic Project guys want to come
Speaker 2: or something like that for the good speakers, and you know,
Speaker 2: so I try to set aside like a number of
Speaker 2: you know, deadhead tickets so to speak, you know, free tickets.
Speaker 2: So I usually sell about thirty two in person tickets,
Speaker 2: and they sell out pretty quick. With Meldrum and Michael Freeman.
Speaker 2: This past November, I think we sold something like twenty
Speaker 2: six tickets to the museum members because you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of our members don't live nearby, so they don't
Speaker 2: go that quickly. About twenty five twenty six tickets for
Speaker 2: museum members, and then the last six or so would
Speaker 2: go to six or eight of them would go to
Speaker 2: podcast members, and so we never have a problem with that.
Speaker 2: But what we started doing is that we actually live
Speaker 2: stream the events. Now people can buy a much less
Speaker 2: expensive ticket because it's you know, we got to pay
Speaker 2: for stuff. You know, I got to pay for my
Speaker 2: employees and all this other stuff. I got to sell
Speaker 2: the tickets for like twenty or thirty bucks somewhere in
Speaker 2: there to make any money whatsoever. And we're not making much.
Speaker 2: We mostly do these because they're cool and fun and
Speaker 2: it's a neat way to get people involved in the museum.
Speaker 2: You know, we're not making hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 2: of dollars or anything like that, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: But I have expenses we have to cover because it
Speaker 2: is a business, and then the business has to make
Speaker 2: a little something. So what we've been doing to help
Speaker 2: out is we've been live streaming the events on Zoom.
Speaker 2: So Nico sets up like a livestream camera and we
Speaker 2: hooked the sound system into the computer and so people
Speaker 2: buy less expensive tickets and they can watch it from
Speaker 2: their living room. We do it over Zoom, and the
Speaker 2: Zoom level that we have I can accommodate ninety nine people,
Speaker 2: and we've never come even close to that, even close
Speaker 2: to that. So if anybody listening out there does want
Speaker 2: to see Matt pro At speak, that's a great way
Speaker 2: to do it. It'll be probably like I think we
Speaker 2: sold tickets for eight bucks or something last time.
Speaker 3: I've done a couple of them. It's cool.
Speaker 4: I listen to Mark Marcell and Mike Freeman and yeah,
Speaker 4: I listen to a few of those are watched whatever,
Speaker 4: it's cool.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a fun way to get people
Speaker 2: in different parts of the world who can't come in
Speaker 2: person involved. And of course at the end time with
Speaker 2: assuming we have time, and we usually do, we take questions,
Speaker 2: and people watching in their living room from you know,
Speaker 2: North Carolina are asking questions of these people. It's a
Speaker 2: neat way to interact with somebody even if you can't
Speaker 2: attend in person. So we'll be doing that again with
Speaker 2: Matt Preuitt on the on January twenty third.
Speaker 1: I think it is so I do hope you'll make
Speaker 1: it up because it would be awesome. The three of
Speaker 1: us have not done an in person event in almost
Speaker 1: four years, and so we're definitely overdue for people who
Speaker 1: talk you know, once or twice a week for public
Speaker 1: consumption and more than that, like you know, privately on
Speaker 1: the phone. We should definitely get together in person. I
Speaker 1: just think it'd be super fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know another, let's get back to Bigfoot
Speaker 2: thing a little bit.
Speaker 3: I was thinking. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in February I made a pretty big score for
Speaker 2: the museum that reads resulted in knocking down a couple
Speaker 2: or at least one historical hoax and exposing it. The
Speaker 2: guy named some guy named Walt was selling fake stompers
Speaker 2: on eBay and a good friend of mine reached out
Speaker 2: and said, hey, man, are you Are you aware of this?
Speaker 2: And I said no, I never saw this before. And
Speaker 2: I was looking at the stompers and you know, they
Speaker 2: kind of looked like a Mullins stomper, like Rant Mullins,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't sure. But he wanted way too much money,
Speaker 2: way too much money, you know. So and the eBay
Speaker 2: thing says you buy these, I'll tell you how I
Speaker 2: used them and all this other stuff, and it was
Speaker 2: just so intriguing. So I wrote him and said, well,
Speaker 2: I can't afford what you're asking for them, but I'll
Speaker 2: give you this much if they don't sell asking. I
Speaker 2: think it was like fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 2: of a lot for these things, you know. And I said,
Speaker 2: I can't afford that, but you know the museum can't either.
Speaker 2: So but I run a museum. Maybe you want these
Speaker 2: things preserved historically. I can give you this much with
Speaker 2: and he goes, well, I'm going to try to sell
Speaker 2: for this much, and he did. He didn't sell them,
Speaker 2: but he tried to sell them for that much, and
Speaker 2: then a week or two and by that nobody bid
Speaker 2: at all. He lowered the price a little bit and
Speaker 2: I said, hey, my offer still stands. I emailed him
Speaker 2: through eBay about it, and he goes, well, I'm going
Speaker 2: to try. I'll let you know. And so he didn't
Speaker 2: sell it at that price either. So he reached out
Speaker 2: to me and said, okay, I'll take your price, which
Speaker 2: was cool, and so I said, well, I can drive
Speaker 2: out to you. He lived on the coast somewhere. I
Speaker 2: can drive out to you and pick him up. If
Speaker 2: he said no, no, I want to go. I want
Speaker 2: to see your big Foot museum. It's all great. So
Speaker 2: he came to the Bigfoot Museum with the stompers and
Speaker 2: I sat him down for an interview. I did a
Speaker 2: taped interview. One of my great volunteers in my archiving
Speaker 2: department transcribed the interview and he told me the story
Speaker 2: and he said, yeah, I used him in Idaho, I
Speaker 2: used him in southern Oregon. And he was telling me
Speaker 2: the story. And I got him from this this guy's
Speaker 2: lumber company. He lived in Toledo, Washington, and of course
Speaker 2: Bell started going up Toledo. Well that's where the Wallace
Speaker 2: has lived. But this didn't look like a Wallace stomper
Speaker 2: to me. It looked like a Mullins. But I never
Speaker 2: could figure out exactly where these stompers came from, although
Speaker 2: I am eighty percent sure they are Wallace stompers. Of course,
Speaker 2: the museum owns the original Wallace stompers from nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: two that he probably carved special just for the little
Speaker 2: TV spot that he did. You know, there's a very
Speaker 2: the famous picture of Rant Mullins is and doctor Meldrum
Speaker 2: spoke where he's holding up these stompers. We have those
Speaker 2: exact stompers in the museum, and I know it's those
Speaker 2: because you can see the marks and the photographs and
Speaker 2: you can see the marks on the actual stompers, and
Speaker 2: in fact, on the back of these artifacts is Rant
Speaker 2: Mullins autograph and this is nineteen eighty two. And that's
Speaker 2: when the little news item popped up where Randon was
Speaker 2: talking about his his pissing match with the Wallaces and
Speaker 2: stuff about who's a better hoaxer and stuff. But anyway,
Speaker 2: these look a lot like that.
Speaker 3: I'm a better lot than you are.
Speaker 2: I know, I know. It's like, no, you're not, and
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, I invented Bigfoot. No, I see the
Speaker 2: whole thing with Mullins and stuff. And of course we can.
Speaker 2: I don't if we talked about that when we had
Speaker 2: Vince on the podcast back in the day from Pacific
Speaker 2: North weird, but I guess somebody promised somebody money for
Speaker 2: carving these stompers and used them and they got all
Speaker 2: the attention and newspaper coverage and I don't know, just
Speaker 2: weird attention stuff, just ego stuff. But anyway, this guy's
Speaker 2: telling me about using these stompers at a shake mill
Speaker 2: down in Renton, Oregon, and he's telling me the story
Speaker 2: and he's saying, yeah, there are these two kids there
Speaker 2: and there's a horse corral and and and it's sounding
Speaker 2: awfully familiar. And I eventually pieced it together that these
Speaker 2: actually were the Stompers that were used when Barbara Wasson
Speaker 2: found and cast the only footprints that she'd ever founded cast.
Speaker 2: And of course, the museum owns the Barbara Wasson collection,
Speaker 2: all of her correspondences, all of her research, all of
Speaker 2: her book notes, all of the original graphs and stuff,
Speaker 2: and also the one original cast that she made. So
Speaker 2: I pulled out the original cast and compared to the Stompers,
Speaker 2: and sure enough, one hundred percent match. So unfortunately, Barbara
Speaker 2: Wasson came and went, and now she's passed away. And
Speaker 2: the one cast that she pulled that was an original
Speaker 2: cast of her own, turns out was made by these
Speaker 2: same Stompers. So I thought that was fantastic. I think
Speaker 2: it's fantastic to bust historical hoaxes.
Speaker 4: I think it's great that she got to go to
Speaker 4: her grave without cliff ruining her one cast she.
Speaker 2: Got, I know, but because of these casts, I was
Speaker 2: put in contact through a wonderful woman named Darlene lives
Speaker 2: up in Toledo with a member of the Wallace family
Speaker 2: and another guy who owned the logging company that this
Speaker 2: this other guy who got the stompers worked for. And
Speaker 2: so I went up and interviewed both of them. Because
Speaker 2: both these guys, one of them that the young one
Speaker 2: was like ninety two and the other one was literally
Speaker 2: one hundred and one years old. There was like two
Speaker 2: hundred almost two hundred years of tom foolery in that
Speaker 2: room along with me. And I interviewed them about what
Speaker 2: they knew about the hoaxing and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: And Buzzwell was that was the older of the two
Speaker 2: gentlemen's names, Don Buzzwell Boswell, one of those two. He
Speaker 2: talked about using stompers and being and like he said
Speaker 2: a couple of things that I thought made me think
Speaker 2: it was the Blue Mountain tracks, because the Blue Mountain
Speaker 2: Tracks are are I think I mentioned it recently Maybe not.
Speaker 2: I thought I was on the podcast recently and mentioned
Speaker 2: this that I think they're probably probably hoaxed, right, And
Speaker 2: he was mentioning, you know, pulling somebody in a car
Speaker 2: with a rope to simulate longer step length and all
Speaker 2: this stuff on a logging side, and thinking, oh, that's
Speaker 2: that's Blue Blue Creek Mountain, Blue Creek mountain tracks. I said,
Speaker 2: blue mountains, really, but I met Blue Creek mountain tracks
Speaker 2: and it turned I said, well, was that was that
Speaker 2: in the Bluff Creek area? And he goes, oh, no, No,
Speaker 2: that was out by Whiskeyville or somewhere. So there's another
Speaker 2: track thing over there somewhere, and he doesn't remember the date,
Speaker 2: but yeah, So anyway, it was a really interesting interview
Speaker 2: with these two older gentlemen, and I got to I
Speaker 2: really kind of went in trying to find out, what
Speaker 2: do you know about the Blue Creek mountain tracks? Can
Speaker 2: we nail those down as a hoax? And it turns
Speaker 2: out that both these guys knew nothing about those. So
Speaker 2: even though I think they're probably hoax based on that
Speaker 2: line or whatever that's in the casts from that fake
Speaker 2: stomper from the Wallaces, neither of these guys knew anything
Speaker 2: about the Blue Creek Mountain.
Speaker 1: Tracks at all.
Speaker 2: So I tried to bust two historical hoaxes, but I
Speaker 2: only got away with one.
Speaker 1: Great work though, and that was a good find and
Speaker 1: we chatted about that a lot back when it happened,
Speaker 1: and super cool that you got to meet with him too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were a cantanker as bunch.
Speaker 2: One of them was full of smiles, the other one
Speaker 2: was not.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: If you can imagine being that like disagreeable and much
Speaker 1: of a prankster when you're young, and then when you're
Speaker 1: that age and you have no f's left to give,
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably ten times as cantanker as you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll go ahead and I'll send you this
Speaker 2: picture here of the two gentlemens, A gentleman, the two
Speaker 2: gentlemen around the table, and you can tell me what
Speaker 2: you think of their attitude. Yeah, they thought I was
Speaker 2: They thought I was an idiot man.
Speaker 3: For the Bigfoot thing. So they're no gentlemen.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: When I was digging back through, you know, I was,
Speaker 1: I was scrolling through all the podcasts we've put out
Speaker 1: this year, just trying to go through the year recap
Speaker 1: and looking back at things we discussed and things that
Speaker 1: have been happening. You know, we got some great witnesses
Speaker 1: this year too. You know, we had Jeff Deisinger back,
Speaker 1: and I guess that we had him in April or May.
Speaker 3: That was the best one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's somebody I'd been familiar with for years, and
Speaker 1: just through a member of the podcast, found out that
Speaker 1: he and I basically lived pretty close to each other,
Speaker 1: and so we met up and had started chatting, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, would you be willing to tell
Speaker 1: that story on the podcast. I'm really glad we got him,
Speaker 1: kept in touch with him and hung out with it
Speaker 1: a few times since then. But people really love that
Speaker 1: episode of a lot of people reach out and say, hey,
Speaker 1: if I want someone to hear about the subject and
Speaker 1: they're not familiar with it and they want to hear
Speaker 1: a good signing, that's the episode I send them. So
Speaker 1: that was very cool to get him on there.
Speaker 2: They had a couple of dead leads too, you know,
Speaker 2: like I got called out to the coast for some
Speaker 2: tracks turned out to be elk tracks, But I did
Speaker 2: get to go on a boat with these dudes for
Speaker 2: a while because the tracks were across this big sandbar
Speaker 2: and a couple of them looked pretty good, and a
Speaker 2: couple of them didn't look real really good actually to me,
Speaker 2: but it's Bigfoot's one of those things. Man, if you
Speaker 2: don't get out there, you're going to miss some stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, And it's one of the aggravating things about it.
Speaker 2: I've wasted a lot of days. Yeah, waste is probably
Speaker 2: too strong of a term. Honestly, I've spent a lot
Speaker 2: of days chasing down leads that didn't come to fruition,
Speaker 2: and so I got to I did have to go
Speaker 2: to the coasts or whatever, but I did make a
Speaker 2: good contact out there. Turns out this guy lives a
Speaker 2: spit in distance from months and Falls outside of Tillamook,
Speaker 2: and that's where most of the stuff happens in the
Speaker 2: Tillamook areas Munson Falls area. So this guy has eyes
Speaker 2: on out for me now and kind of boots on
Speaker 2: the ground and with my phone numbers, hopefully that'll turn
Speaker 2: up with something.
Speaker 1: So oh no, that'd be great. It kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me like we talked about in the last main show episode,
Speaker 1: is you know, some of the regrets that I have
Speaker 1: from the past or are not following up on those
Speaker 1: things because I was too quick to go, ah, this
Speaker 1: is probably too good to be true, or just didn't
Speaker 1: really sit right. And then as time progressed and more
Speaker 1: details came out, it was like, man, that actually might
Speaker 1: have been something, and I probably should have dropped everything
Speaker 1: and gone and looked, because there's plenty of times I
Speaker 1: have dropped everything, gone and looked, you know, like many many, many,
Speaker 1: many times. And then after enough times of that, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it pans out. A lot of the times it doesn't.
Speaker 1: But there's only one way to know, and that's to
Speaker 1: drop everything and go look. So you're still doing good
Speaker 1: work there, even if it just turns out to be
Speaker 1: elk tracks.
Speaker 4: When I was in the BFR, like, there's times where
Speaker 4: people be like this guy sounds nuts, or like all
Speaker 4: the reports, like the initial investigators say probable hosts without
Speaker 4: even talking to the person, or like the the spelling
Speaker 4: and grammar would be so bad you can really hardly
Speaker 4: understand what they were saying, Like this guy sounds like
Speaker 4: an idiot, you know, And then I'd follow up, but
Speaker 4: I like those would payoffs. Sometimes you're like, just follow
Speaker 4: up because you think it's a dead end, but then
Speaker 4: it turns out they're like a great witness, you know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. There's a couple of my favorite reports that I
Speaker 1: got from the BFRO that no one had ever taken,
Speaker 1: where someone had submitted it as a report and not
Speaker 1: a comment, but they had just said something like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'd really love to talk to someone, right, And so
Speaker 1: people never because they're like, oh, there's no information here,
Speaker 1: and they move on. And I was like, well, let's
Speaker 1: just see and then I get to talking to them,
Speaker 1: and after they sort of felt it out and realized
Speaker 1: I wasn't a lunatic, they'd go, hey, man, I got
Speaker 1: to tell you what I saw, and it would be
Speaker 1: some incredible report. You know, it's just something amazing. So
Speaker 1: I was glad that I followed up on those because
Speaker 1: some people are just so reticent, you know, they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to lay all the cards on the table.
Speaker 1: They're like, let me see what these people are about first,
Speaker 1: and then if I feel like I can trust them,
Speaker 1: I'll tell them this thing that I saw that no
Speaker 1: one would believe under any other circumstances. And so things
Speaker 1: like that are definitely worth following up on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then I also had some things happened this year where
Speaker 4: if you didn't have recorders, you wouldn't even know there
Speaker 4: was action going on, or like when I went out
Speaker 4: and figued with our buddy from Pennsylvania, you know, it
Speaker 4: was all super storm. It was like the biggest storms
Speaker 4: of the year. Again that the week we were out
Speaker 4: and we were there, we spent the whole night, We
Speaker 4: spent several hours into one spot on the coast.
Speaker 3: And we left the record.
Speaker 4: He let the recorder go and we came back out
Speaker 4: the next day and showed that there was a bunch
Speaker 4: of knocks, you know, like twenty knocks over fifteen minute
Speaker 4: period that came up, you know, got closer to the
Speaker 4: recorder and then just stopped when they got.
Speaker 3: By the recorder.
Speaker 4: But you know, it wouldn't even have known, like would
Speaker 4: have done that if you hadn't let that recorder out.
Speaker 4: Go on audio, you know, it happened a few times
Speaker 4: this year. The audio showed like, oh they were around.
Speaker 4: They just weren't being like aggressive or you know, like
Speaker 4: they're not being is loud and you know, like whe
Speaker 4: they're trying to get the message across to leave, like
Speaker 4: these they were more just like doing their own trip,
Speaker 4: not trying to engage us.
Speaker 3: You know, it's cool getting they were still there. Certainly.
Speaker 1: You know, when I was thinking about other evidence that
Speaker 1: I had seen this year, I only got to see
Speaker 1: him for a couple of minutes, just because it was
Speaker 1: at a hectic event, But I thought those tracks that
Speaker 1: Eric Alton cast that he brought to the Ohio Bigfoot
Speaker 1: Conference were pretty compelling, you know. Like again, I only
Speaker 1: got to spend a couple of minutes with him, but
Speaker 1: they were very compelling to my eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was really really cool. Those were probably
Speaker 2: I'll say those were the best tracks out of Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: that I'm aware of. Not a lot of stuff comes
Speaker 2: out of there.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it happened in April or right at
Speaker 1: the first of May, because that had just happened when
Speaker 1: he came to the Ohio conference, which is what on
Speaker 1: May fourth or fifth or something like that, So it
Speaker 1: was early May.
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking back in my text, it looks like I've
Speaker 2: got photographs of the originals on April twenty ninth, and
Speaker 2: I have photographs of them in the ground I think
Speaker 2: from just a smidge before that. So yeah, that must
Speaker 2: yea April twenty eighth somewhere in there. You know, Eric,
Speaker 2: if you're listening, by the way, still waiting for my copies,
Speaker 2: no pressure, but yeah, so looking for the copies of
Speaker 2: those casts. I really want to get into those. We
Speaker 2: spend a little bit of time with them, at the
Speaker 2: Ohio Conference, another great event. Super stoked to be involved
Speaker 2: in that. So, yeah, I spend a little bit of
Speaker 2: time with them there, but I really really want to
Speaker 2: get into these things. So Eric made great latex molds
Speaker 2: of these things. I'm very much looking forward to putting
Speaker 2: my eyes on them and spending a little bit of time,
Speaker 2: you know, because twenty minutes with cast doesn't tell you
Speaker 2: very much. Yeah, you really have to spend some time,
Speaker 2: you should. I mean, you guys have both see my
Speaker 2: garage and there's castling around everywhere, and so I go
Speaker 2: out there or whatever, and you know, I spend I
Speaker 2: get very distracted, very easily. So I spend five or
Speaker 2: ten minutes looking at a cast sometimes and that's where
Speaker 2: I do most of my deep dives, my learning about
Speaker 2: what the footprints are looking like and what the nuances
Speaker 2: would be. So I'm really looking forward to getting my
Speaker 2: mits on these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had him on the podcast shortly thereafter, So
Speaker 1: if people haven't heard that episode you want to go
Speaker 1: listen to more of that story, just go back. It
Speaker 1: would have been sometime in May, right after that. I
Speaker 1: don't have the episode list in front of me, but
Speaker 1: we did have Eric on to talk about those. I
Speaker 1: was super stoked too, speaking of podcast episodes, to get
Speaker 1: John Zada on because I loved his book In the
Speaker 1: Valleys of the Not Well Beyond. And you know a
Speaker 1: lot of these authors who were published through like major publishers,
Speaker 1: who were not necessarily like enmeshed in the Sasquatch research community.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like a friend of a friend
Speaker 1: or something like that. I'd never would have really thought
Speaker 1: about just trying to make contact somehow. And so he
Speaker 1: was actually the one who initiated that because I had
Speaker 1: I think I had republished maybe I hadn't republished it,
Speaker 1: but I had referenced that classic episode, A Terrifying Night
Speaker 1: in the Marble Mountains, which I did re release this
Speaker 1: year through the Classics, And John commented on our Instagram
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, I recommended this episode to
Speaker 1: so many people, And so I messaged and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised to hear that you listen, because man, I
Speaker 1: loved your book, and would you be willing to come
Speaker 1: on the podcast? And he was up for it. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was a great episode, and you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people did too, So I hope it
Speaker 1: drove a lot of people to read his book if
Speaker 1: they hadn't yet, because that's such a great book.
Speaker 4: Besides that, Jeff Dice did your interview. The most times
Speaker 4: I got this year about a podcast was the rerun
Speaker 4: of Sarah's sighting in the Marble Mountains.
Speaker 1: People love that episode. I love that episode. I've listened
Speaker 1: to it multiple times me too. That's my favorite boo
Speaker 1: surprise because you had just said, hey, I have a
Speaker 1: witness lined up, and we said okay, and hopped on
Speaker 1: a call and started recording. And then as soon as
Speaker 1: she started telling the story, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've heard this, I've read this, I've read this report
Speaker 1: before it. So I was just amazed to talk to
Speaker 1: her in person and I was like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: you found this person. That's amazing, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's awesome.
Speaker 1: Another great witness interview that we had was Irving, the
Speaker 1: guy who saw the Sasquatch it close range from his
Speaker 1: vehicle and got a really good look at his face.
Speaker 1: That money maker hooked you up with, Cliff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was very kind of Matt to let
Speaker 2: us have that one. And he was a great witness,
Speaker 2: fully smoked. What a great look and he's all on fire.
Speaker 2: Now he goes. I think he's gone back there now
Speaker 2: and heard from him, but he's gone back a couple
Speaker 2: of times, maybe twy. I know he went back initially
Speaker 2: and then he's planning another trip I think before ye're in,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you got back out there
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, between his episode and Jeff's episode, I think those
Speaker 1: were the two strongest eye or at least two of
Speaker 1: my favorite eyewitness episodes that we had this year in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeffs is the one that's one. I want Rugan
Speaker 4: to here because he's because Ruggan's always all. I never
Speaker 4: heard you know a good hunter say that you know
Speaker 4: a good guy? You know, I've never met one or
Speaker 4: heard anyone that knows me one. It's like, well here's
Speaker 4: one dummy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Friend of mine, a really good guy named Allan. I
Speaker 2: actually literally spoke to him this morning. Good friend of mine.
Speaker 2: He was he saw one of these things in October,
Speaker 2: I think it was it was October, and he asked
Speaker 2: me where to go. He's going to be done by Florence.
Speaker 2: They go, oh, go to the spot over here. I
Speaker 2: ran into him there before. I've heard him there at
Speaker 2: least I think, And he went there and he saw one.
Speaker 2: He saw a little guy he said, about three four
Speaker 2: feet tall or so something like that. He said, would
Speaker 2: have been about the size of a he said, like
Speaker 2: a six seven year old human something like that. He
Speaker 2: was walking and the thing ran across the cliff and
Speaker 2: it was upright. It was running on two legs. It
Speaker 2: was all black in color. It just appeared on one
Speaker 2: side out of the bushes and dropped down to the
Speaker 2: ravine on it. I don't know what it was. It's like, dude,
Speaker 2: well what else could it be? What else could and
Speaker 2: so why I don't know what it was? Well, it
Speaker 2: was it was up it wasn't no, no, it was
Speaker 2: on four legs. It was on two legs. Man, listen
Speaker 2: to yourself, you know what it was. It's like, why
Speaker 2: would you deny yourself that you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, have a set of balls, buddy.
Speaker 2: And you heard him Allan Bubo says you need some balls.
Speaker 4: I mean I mean in general, not not him not
Speaker 4: well yeah, him too, but all these guys that I
Speaker 4: was like, you know, they know they're real, but they're
Speaker 4: they're too afraid of the heckling. It's like everyone that
Speaker 4: had the settings, you know, came out or whatever. Encounter
Speaker 4: is that the like you know of audio encounter really
Speaker 4: compelling tracks whatever, everyone if everyone came forward started talking
Speaker 4: about it. It's like the UFO thing on the pilots
Speaker 4: start going public, you know, it's like stigma lessons and
Speaker 4: lessons and more and more info and get closer to
Speaker 4: the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you scratch the service and everybody here in the
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest as the story or knows somebody with the story.
Speaker 2: One of the cool things about having a bigfoot museum
Speaker 2: for Meles is that you never know who's going to
Speaker 2: come by, you know. And we had a couple really
Speaker 2: notable visitors this year, maybe besides the regutters. Of course,
Speaker 2: Bobo and ten ten were work by, and of course
Speaker 2: Matt was there. Everybody knows. We had Michael Freeman drop by,
Speaker 2: and we did an event with Mark Marcel earlier in
Speaker 2: the year, and because of that we had the three
Speaker 2: young gentlemen who rediscovered the mind the actual Ape Canyon mine.
Speaker 2: We did that event. But you know, of course both
Speaker 2: Alex and Eli from Small Town Monsters were in the
Speaker 2: museum at various points filming various things. But old friend
Speaker 2: Randy Chase dropped by this year. It's always a pleasure
Speaker 2: to see him. The Wizard though, I had to open
Speaker 2: up Facebook for something in the last couple of days
Speaker 2: and I saw Randy dressed as Saint Nicholas. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean like Santa Claus. I mean like as a saint,
Speaker 2: like with the long red robe and the Saint had on. Man,
Speaker 2: that guy's so cool, so cool. I love that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course. We had Clyde lewis well known sort of
Speaker 2: paranormal radio host. He's a friend of ours and he's
Speaker 2: dropped by the museum for the first time and I
Speaker 2: showed him around. He's a real nice guy. But probably
Speaker 2: the biggest find, I guess, or the biggest name in
Speaker 2: my opinion that came by the museum is Ron Olsen.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Ron is a huge historical figure and doesn't even realize
Speaker 2: that I'm still trying to nail him down for an interview.
Speaker 2: He lives a few hours away from me, but I'm
Speaker 2: willing to make the drive. Of course, he made that
Speaker 2: real schlocky Bigfoot sort of pseudo documentary. You know where
Speaker 2: they call a big horse trail? Was it called Sasquatch?
Speaker 2: What is it called matt You know the name, isn't
Speaker 2: it called Sasquatch? The legend of Bigfoot? Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's about right.
Speaker 3: It's about right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: From the nineteen seventies. It's where these people do a
Speaker 2: horse packing trip into some wilderness area and cougar jumps
Speaker 2: on him and all this other stuff. But that they
Speaker 2: did a reenactment of the Ape Canyon stuff, and it
Speaker 2: was that reenactment that put Mark Mercell on the trail
Speaker 2: back in the day. And of course Ron Olson, I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I want to get his I want to get the
Speaker 2: historical scoop, you know, so to speak from what I understand,
Speaker 2: and I could be incorrect, which is why I need
Speaker 2: to talk to mister Olson about this. I believe Ron
Speaker 2: Olson took over Roger Patterson's Northwest like organization thing that
Speaker 2: he'd you know, like his little fan club that he
Speaker 2: did back in the day. I believe Ron Olson took
Speaker 2: that over from Roger Patterson when Roger passed away. So
Speaker 2: I want to find out more about that. He had
Speaker 2: like an actual office for Bigfoot stuff. He's the guy
Speaker 2: that would put that initiated the Bigfoot trap down down
Speaker 2: in Applegate. Oregan he had. He has so much history
Speaker 2: in him. He came in the museum one day and
Speaker 2: I was actually not even at the museum. Nico I
Speaker 2: think called me, or one of my employees, I think
Speaker 2: it was Nico called me and said, Hey, some guy
Speaker 2: named ron Olsen's here. You know that name, don't you.
Speaker 2: When I went, holy crap, hold him down. I'll be
Speaker 2: there as soon as I can. And I hopped in
Speaker 2: the car and went down and I met him. It
Speaker 2: was fantastic, absolutely fantastic. I look forward to meeting him
Speaker 2: again and sitting them down and asking them these questions.
Speaker 2: I've been saying that for far too long, but again,
Speaker 2: my schedule has been pretty tightly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and speaking of the small town monsters, folks, since
Speaker 1: you brought up Alex and Eli, like two of my
Speaker 1: favorite memories from this year, I participated in two different
Speaker 1: productions with them, one of which Seth directed in western
Speaker 1: North Carolina that he made a film out of called
Speaker 1: The Ancients. That was so much fun to be a
Speaker 1: part of. Myself and doctor Russ Jones. For the most part,
Speaker 1: the two of us were there for everything, and then
Speaker 1: some of our friends came through as like talking heads
Speaker 1: like Adam Davies and Micah Hanks and my friend Jeff Carpenter.
Speaker 1: But then Alex came out and joined Darryl Callier and
Speaker 1: I when we were out in the field in North Georgia.
Speaker 1: Daryl and I went out for a week and one
Speaker 1: of my favorite places, and Alex came out for the
Speaker 1: last few nights. And he's put together a series called
Speaker 1: The Appalachian Bigfoot Files and use some of that footage
Speaker 1: in the first episode. And I think he's going to
Speaker 1: do a Georgia centric one with more of that footage,
Speaker 1: but I could be wrong about that either way. That
Speaker 1: would hadn't been released yet. But all those small town
Speaker 1: monsters folks are so much fun to be around and
Speaker 1: always just a joy to work with, and there's no
Speaker 1: pressure and it's just like hanging out with great friends.
Speaker 1: So and I love the stuff that they shot there
Speaker 1: at Mount Hood in the museum, and like Bobo mentioned
Speaker 1: that Go Road documentary that Alex recently released, all great stuff.
Speaker 4: What's funny is if you don't like I don't look
Speaker 4: at it. I look at the you know, the YouTube
Speaker 4: home channel whatever, for like a month or two, I'll
Speaker 4: click on it. There's nine new titles you know, in
Speaker 4: like six weeks, those guys pump out so much stuff
Speaker 4: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're super productive. I mean because you've got
Speaker 1: that much talent and that many people just sort of
Speaker 1: doing their own thing, all under that umbrella of small
Speaker 1: town monsters or something for everyone, you know, which is
Speaker 1: really great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, film with both those guys this year. I guess
Speaker 2: they're they're they're planning on something about the NABC, which
Speaker 2: would be cool. That's Eli sing And I know Alex
Speaker 2: was here. And I think a day or two before
Speaker 2: Alex showed up, one of my other employees, Dave, ran
Speaker 2: into a sasquatch up there. He was up there with
Speaker 2: some friends of his, some of the researchers, and something
Speaker 2: was knocking at him pretty close. And again, Dave's the
Speaker 2: skeptic in our crowd. You know, he's the guy I've
Speaker 2: told talked about him in the podcast before. If Dave
Speaker 2: thinks something is true, it probably is because he'll look
Speaker 2: at footprints and go, well, that one's a great one.
Speaker 2: That one's a great one. The next one, I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's one, but the one after that is
Speaker 2: a great one too. So it was like number three.
Speaker 2: You doubt at a four. Come on, man, he's super,
Speaker 2: super skeptical, so if something convinces him, something is going on.
Speaker 2: So I know, Alex and I went out with Dave
Speaker 2: to the spot I think a day or two after
Speaker 2: he ran into those things, and we filmed out there.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it or anything like that, but it's
Speaker 2: out there if people can go watch it. I know
Speaker 2: we found footprints while we're out there. Hopefully that made
Speaker 2: the cut. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone who listens to this podcast should be subscribed
Speaker 1: to Small Town Monsters on YouTube. They just do great staff.
Speaker 1: I imagine most of them already are.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Probably stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 5: and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Of course,
Speaker 5: at the museum again, we rounded out the end of
Speaker 5: the year. Michael Freeman came down did a presentation, a
Speaker 5: brand new presentation just for the NABC members. I was
Speaker 5: in November, and of course we're looking forward to the
Speaker 5: museum getting our hands on and becoming the curators of
Speaker 5: the Paul Freeman Collection when doctor Meldrum retires. So we're
Speaker 5: looking forward to that, and we made an arrangement with
Speaker 5: Michael Freeman, so we'll be the caretakers of those casts,
Speaker 5: the originals. We already have several of the original Freeman
Speaker 5: casts in the museum in various displays, so people can
Speaker 5: combine and see those in.
Speaker 2: Whatever they like. But yeah, Michael and I continue to
Speaker 2: be very very good friends and kind of plowing ahead
Speaker 2: and trying to make some plans about some possible projects
Speaker 2: in the future. As they come to fruition. I'll be
Speaker 2: able to share things with people here in the podcast.
Speaker 2: I guess that's looking forward to twenty twenty five though,
Speaker 2: I guess very cool.
Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk about some things we're
Speaker 1: looking forward to in twenty twenty five over at the
Speaker 1: members section on the Bonus podcast there. We did that
Speaker 1: last year and I went back and listened to that
Speaker 1: in preparation for this and some of the things we
Speaker 1: were anticipating that we're still kind of waiting on, you know,
Speaker 1: not our own projects, but projects other people are working on.
Speaker 1: So we're going to endeavor to get those people back
Speaker 1: on Bigfoot and beyond to maybe give us updates on
Speaker 1: a few of those projects.
Speaker 3: I can say this, We've got James Fox coming up
Speaker 3: in a few.
Speaker 1: Weeks people love that documentary. I haven't gotten to see
Speaker 1: it yet, but a good friend of mine just watched
Speaker 1: it and said it was amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's that. What is it called?
Speaker 1: It's out, It's called the program.
Speaker 4: But you gotta have a like not who is something
Speaker 4: like that? Yeah, there's some like one of those sign
Speaker 4: up services.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on any of the video on demand services
Speaker 1: like Apple Movies or Apple TV, Amazon Prime Video. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought I was only on one thing.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's available for purchase and then in
Speaker 1: two weeks from the release date, I think it'll be
Speaker 1: available for rent, but you could you could purchase it
Speaker 1: right now through Amazon, Apple, a lot of those big ones.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been discussing. I mean, I normally wouldn't say
Speaker 2: what I think is going to happen in the future,
Speaker 2: because I'm very often incorrect about that stuff. But several
Speaker 2: times over the last month or two, Darby has reached
Speaker 2: out to me and mentioned the podcast. I haven't forgotten Cliff,
Speaker 2: and we want to set outside a date and we
Speaker 2: want to do this. He wants to come back on
Speaker 2: and just even if it's a twenty minute update, just
Speaker 2: give us an update. On how that North Carolina study
Speaker 2: is going any of the interesting things about it, because
Speaker 2: you know, the Bigfoot community in general is rather impatient
Speaker 2: about these things. He gets a lot of emails saying,
Speaker 2: what's up with this? How comes whatever? And it's even
Speaker 2: to the point where some people are thinking that the
Speaker 2: whole thing's fake because nothing has happened yet, when the
Speaker 2: fact is science happens very slowly.
Speaker 4: He told us three to four years, he said, he
Speaker 4: goes to three to four years.
Speaker 2: Apparently the Bigfoot community didn't get the message, you know,
Speaker 2: because they're they're you know, sending him emails constantly and saying,
Speaker 2: what is up with this? What is up with this?
Speaker 2: So Darby said that as soon as he gets a
Speaker 2: little bit of time, and maybe even soon. Actually I
Speaker 2: think he might be on that winter break, but he
Speaker 2: does have family obligations. But he has not forgotten. He
Speaker 2: mentions it to me probably every two or three weeks.
Speaker 2: I haven't forgot about the podcast. I still want to
Speaker 2: come on. You guys are going to be the people
Speaker 2: that we want to go on with and talk about
Speaker 2: the projects and stuff. So that we will be getting
Speaker 2: an update from Darby probably in the next month or
Speaker 2: two I think.
Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately, everyone wants to get academic and like scientific
Speaker 4: recognition and you know, involvement. It's like, well this, you
Speaker 4: got it. This is what real science is like. It's
Speaker 4: not like to start yelling all your early results or
Speaker 4: you know, like what you suspect. It's they're doing the
Speaker 4: real professional academics scientific protocol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's extraordinarily, extraordinarily conservative about this, as he
Speaker 2: should be if you rush out of study like this.
Speaker 2: And if he gets any positive results, I don't even
Speaker 2: know if he has. I know he's got some interesting results,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if he's got any positive results.
Speaker 2: So and you have to be so cautious because if
Speaker 2: he's if if any of this screws up, you know,
Speaker 2: like a false positive is put out there, it's going
Speaker 2: to do more damage and good and that's the last
Speaker 2: thing he wants to do. So we'll be getting some
Speaker 2: sort of update at some point.
Speaker 1: That'd be great. I know a lot of listeners are
Speaker 1: looking forward to that because we get a lot of
Speaker 1: emails about it, so that's good news.
Speaker 2: So yeah, twenty twenty four has been a great year. Busy, busy.
Speaker 2: I hope to be a little less busy next time,
Speaker 2: but still I'm busy with bigfoot stuff. So have that
Speaker 2: going to be I hope twenty twenty five it produces
Speaker 2: a few more sightings I was. We're a little low
Speaker 2: on local sidings in my opinion, you know, three or
Speaker 2: four or five maybe or something like that. I'd like
Speaker 2: to have maybe one a month. First year or two
Speaker 2: of the museum. We're getting about about one a month.
Speaker 2: I think we got nine or something local sightings the
Speaker 2: first year, so a little less than one a month.
Speaker 2: I hope that picks up a little bit. But I
Speaker 2: can't complain as far as footprints go, and I certainly
Speaker 2: can't complain with as much as I've been getting out
Speaker 2: and finding footprints independently of anybody else. So that's always
Speaker 2: a good sign. When you find a footprint and nobody
Speaker 2: told you what was there, you could be fairly sure
Speaker 2: it's a reasonable chance that it's not faked.
Speaker 1: So there's that.
Speaker 2: So hopefully we'll just keep gathering more data and building
Speaker 2: a mountain of data to stand upon and try to
Speaker 2: draw some conclusions out of this, out of these things
Speaker 2: to see where they go, where they move, And as
Speaker 2: long as I'm out there once or twice a week.
Speaker 2: You never know, and it might stumble acron upon one
Speaker 2: of these things. And there is not a day I
Speaker 2: go out that I don't walk around with the camera
Speaker 2: literally in my hand. So if I can get footage
Speaker 2: this year, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 3: Leave the camera at home, clip and have a sighting.
Speaker 2: Now, how would you feel about if you saw one
Speaker 2: and I forgot the camera that day.
Speaker 4: I do not expect to ever film one during the daytime.
Speaker 4: Only chances are the therm at night.
Speaker 2: Well, I know a guy who's seen him three times
Speaker 2: during the daytime in my area in thirteen months.
Speaker 4: It's so quick, though, I'd never get the camera ready.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's always so fat, you know, it's like
Speaker 4: that's till I got that stuff trying to get together,
Speaker 4: turn it on, get it focused, and be like gone.
Speaker 2: That's why I carry it in my hand and not
Speaker 2: my backpack.
Speaker 1: But what would have a camera that only works when
Speaker 1: he's in his truck and it's connected to Bluetooth.
Speaker 4: He's all right, folks, Thanks again for tuning in to
Speaker 4: Bigfoot and Beyond. We appreciate you spending another year with us,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna get over to our Patreon section for
Speaker 4: our members and continue on the fest over there. And
Speaker 4: so you guys, thanks again, have a happy New Year
Speaker 4: or squatchy one and keep it squatchy.
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