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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcast,

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Part two of the James Bond Never Say Never Again

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versus Octopusy Podcasts. Jason, are you ready to jump back in?

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Speaker 2: Okay, man, let's go through the checklist really quick, all right,

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Walter pbka, silenced check, licensed to kill, check, bazooka, pin check,

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jetpack check, weird faberge egg check, and octopus tattoo that

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nobody else can see but me. Ready to go? All right?

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely you Can't Be

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Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten

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of eighties and nineties pop culture with your.

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Speaker 1: Co hosts A. D.

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Speaker 3: Raids and Jason Kolaba.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcast? Okay, Jason,

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Just because kind of all of the James Bond movies

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kind of meld together in my brain, I think we

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should go over a brief plot outline for each of

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these oversimplified as we can get. Okay, So I'll go first.

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We'll do Octopusy. This is straight out of IMDb. When

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Agent Double oh nine turns up dead at the British

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Embassy in East Berlin holding a Russian Faberge egg. Double

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O seven is called to investigate. He soon finds out

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that the egg is being sought by a collector named

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Kamal Khan, who is in league with a psychopathic Soviet

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general or Lav, who is hell bent on Soviet domination

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despite reprimands from his superiors. Orlov's plan involves smuggling an

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atomic bomb into the US Air Force base in West

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Germany in the hopes of crippling the country and leaving

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it an easy target for Soviet conquest. Bond's investigation of

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Khn leads him to India, where he meets a mysterious

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woman named Octopussy who is connected to Khan. The bomb

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is smuggled the board a circus train, and one of

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the men helping Kamal and Orlov is the man responsible

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for killing Double O nine. Bond must race against time

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to stop the bomb from exploding and killing thousands, and

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then running down Kamal Khan before he escapes.

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Speaker 2: Octabusy. Okay, all right, so I'm going to give you

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the plot outline of Never Say Never Again, which, as

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a reminder, is the exact same plot of Thunderbolting. James

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Bond double setup makes his way for one last mission.

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Two American nuclear warheads have been stolen by Specter. The

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British reactivate their double section and send Bond off to

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the Bahamas to recover them. There he meets Maximilian Largo,

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who is a paramad mastermind set on carrying out his

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plan for worldwide nuclear blackmail. On Largo's side, the villainous

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fem fatale Fatima Blush. But Bond does have an ally

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Largo's girlfriend, the beautiful Domino, who falls for Bond. Okay,

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so those are the brief plot outlines.

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Speaker 1: It didn't help me at all. Like it's like, boy,

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could those have been the same movie? Yes, those could

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have been the same movie. You throw out Faberge, Egg

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and Circus and those are basically the same movie. So

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Mond has got a formula here, right, and we're going

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with what works.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: You've got canniping bad guys, you've got cold war atomic danger,

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and you've got beautiful women who may or may not

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be trying to kill Double O seven.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it works. Why change it?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Here's one thing that I want to point out to you.

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It's a little bit confusing for me. Because I've seen

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Thunderball many times. I've seen Never Say Never again many times.

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I've read the novel Thunderball, and I've seen Austin Powers

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many times. Oh hay, yes, essentially this is the same

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plot from Austin Powers. Right, he is holding the world

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ransom for one million dollars? Oh, no, one hundred billion

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dollars right? Oh yeah, Okay, So of these two plots,

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which is the one?

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Speaker 1: It's the same. It's the formula, man, it's the same.

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I mean, we're here, honestly, plot wise, it's not significantly different.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful women both have nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 1: I can say this. Despite having very similar plots, it

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seemed to me that OCTOPUSY had a lot more action

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sequences to it, like you've got I mean, it's you know,

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it's like how Needham was involved with this one? Can

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we have a car chase? Can we have a car

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shooting off a bridge? Can we have a guy dangling

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from a train? How can we have a guy dangling

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from a plane? You know, would you eat it with

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a goat? Would you eat it on a boat? So

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the boat comes up and never say Never? But I

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think that the thematic points make OCTOPUSY a more exciting

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movie to watch. What about you?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the plot of Never Saying Ever Again

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is more interesting holding the world ransom with nuclear weapons.

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eggs and a Afghan prince and this weird octopus cult.

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a Bond adventure for me, I think, I think, I

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think Never Say Never Again for me is the winner

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on just the plot.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so let's let's jump from plot. Let's

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jump into opening song. Every Bond movie has an opening song,

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so let's talk about opening songs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So the opening song for Octopusy is

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All Time High by Rita Kolidge.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, listening to that smooth saxophone sound.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So to me, this one is a slower, it's

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more melodic, it's it's a ballad. I think they're trying

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to capture the Carly Simon feel from the spy who

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loved Me?

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts for sure? That they're they're going

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back to that. This is this is smoothie and jazzy

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all over the place, and you know why they didn't

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why they didn't have a song that was named after

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the title of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Because they can't think of anything that rhymes with Octopussy.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Thanks for ruining that joke. Yes, that's

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the right answer.

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Speaker 2: Don't be a whissy, Go watch Octopussy. So yeah, I

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agree with you. This does have a little bit of

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a yacht rock feel to it. Really Coolidge to me

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is the girl who's sang higher and higher from the

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early eighties, which that was kind of a big hit.

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But it's interesting because this is nineteen eighty three. They

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could have used Duran Duran, they could have used Journey,

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they could have done something a little more young and peppy,

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and they went the opposite way.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, just thinking about this, you got two guys

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who were iconic from the decades past. You've got the

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sixties Bond and the seventies Bond, And I mean it

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makes sense that they would have seventies music with the

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seventies Bond, but these guys were at the end of

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their era. And you know we haven't I mentioned way

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back when we were talking about Raiders the Lost Arc

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that Bond is an outright pig a whole lot of

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the time. That kind of ended with these two guys

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like this. They were they are the They're the dinosaurs,

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even having sex, let alone all the you know, inappropriate

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zooming in on the woman's cleavage, you know, tricking the

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virgin into giving it up by using a trick deck

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of cards. There's just so many or thunderball, you know,

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wouldn't please let the Well, I I suppose my silence

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could have a prized I mean on yeah, oh my gosh,

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you are a pig, and that disappears with this. But

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deal that they are from a time past. They're not

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looking to capture a new audience. They're looking to keep

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the audience that they already have hooked in. And I

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going to turn a whole bunch of the folks that

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Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, But they used Duran Duran

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two years later in nineteen eighty five with a View

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to a Kill, and it's probably the best Bond song

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, according to you and me, it is because

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we were kids of the eighties and so yeah, and

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which was a totally kick. Well, it's a yeah, but

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the song transition started to happen, I guess before they

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completely got out of having these actors in there. But

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it wasn't there yet. There they're still working on that formula.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's switch back to Never Say Never Again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So for Never Say Never Again, we have Never

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Say Never Again by Lonnie Hall.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this one makes James Bond feel even older to me.

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Speaker 1: It's just just copa copa cubana.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it does have that seventies feel to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Fantasy Island or Love.

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Speaker 2: You're right, did you watch the video for this?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna poke fun at her, just a touch.

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Speaker 1: Pretty lady. You don't like the tuxedo.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the tuxedo. I don't like women in tuxedos.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, it depends on the circumstance. But this is not

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the right one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna quit talking. But I think All Time

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I like eighties music, so I'm not gonna poke fun

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at the eighties feel for both of these, even though

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they're both kind of seventies feel. Who's the winner?

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Speaker 1: I probably like Never Say Never Again. No, I don't know, man,

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my playlist anytime soon. Yeah, it's got to be Never

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the Carly Simon song, but this the readA Coolidge didn't

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didn't make it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm gonna say Riata Coolidge by a nose,

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all right?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 2: Okay, here here's one I want to talk about. Okay,

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and it's going to be a little bit hard to

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talk about because Never Say Never Again does not have

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that opening credits scene. Okay, so that doesn't really count.

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We just kind of have to set that one aside.

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Octopus's opening credits scene. Yes, a little bit revealing in

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their silhouettes.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this is the one that made me go

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oh wait a minute, were all of the silhouettes completely

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naked and really really cold? And some of them were

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some you'd be surprised but.

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Speaker 2: I think this one was the one day they'd had

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a little little nipley. It definitely is a little nippley.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, and you know, since we're on songs, we

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should at least touch on the iconic James Bond song,

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which is done by John Barry of course, right He

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was asked by the people who were putting together Never

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Say Never Again to do the music for it as well,

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but out of loyalty to Eon Productions and Kubby Brockley,

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he said, no, thanks, guys, I'm gonna I'm not going

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to get in the middle of that divorce mess. No

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thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So next on the list, let's look at the

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cast a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So for Octopusy we have mod Adams, who've already

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Speaker 2: So I want to touch on mod Adams again. Who

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She had been in the Man with the Golden Gun

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with Roger Moore. She was Scaramonga's girlfriend, right, So she

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is actually a bond girl twice two different characters. Kind

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of interesting. She was a playboy model.

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Speaker 1: Google what's coming?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's talk about a couple of the people

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I found this interesting. They wanted Fade Dunaway, which would

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have been interesting, but she was too expensive, right, And

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Speaker 1: Oh right, who was not in Octopussy.

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Speaker 2: She was in she was Never seen ever again. So

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she plays Fatima Blush from Never Say Never Again?

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Speaker 1: Did you say blush?

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Speaker 2: Fatima's hard?

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Speaker 1: It's real hard not to say bush, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I try to say it like her, because just blush.

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Speaker 1: It's blush. I don't care if she's got an accident.

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It's blush bush bush. Right. Yes, she was interested, but

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then when she found out she could be in a

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movie with Sean Connery, she was like, no, no, no,

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thank you. I'll go act with Sean Connery. And then

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when they said, hey, we can put your body double

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in for this loft scene, and she was like, no,

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thank you, I'll go ahead and do it myself with

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Sean Connery.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Thank you very much, Barbara Kaerr. We appreciate you.

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But when she turned them down to go work with

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Sean Connery and Octopussy, they looked at pursus cambata. Okay,

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not positive I'm saying that right. But you will recognize

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her from Star Trek the motion picture. She plays Aliyah,

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the bald girl that's taken over by Veger.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the bald girl, the old like welcome girl.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's who they wanted to play. OCTOPUSY.

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Speaker 1: Bad guy is Lewis Jordan. He plays Kamal Khan. He

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had been in Gege and this is one from the eighties.

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swamp Thing. Yeah, and I look at him. It's swamp thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, swamp thing all the way for sure.

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Speaker 2: What'd you think of him as a bad guy? I mean,

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who is the bad guy in Octopusy?

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Speaker 1: Is it him? Or is it orlov? I mean it's

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him really to me? Yeah, I mean he's got that

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fantastic scene at the end where he's flying the plane. Oh,

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by the way, I forgot. I didn't mention this. So

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when they're flying the plane. You know, when they're shooting

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the movie. That plane was. The way they were going

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to do that is they had it on like this

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catapult kind of thing, and there's nobody in the plane.

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get a nice big kaboom, an earth shattering kaboom whenever

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whenever it hits. And so they shoot it off in

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the catapult. They're filming in Utah, and when they shoot

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it off, suddenly the wind catches it and it starts

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gliding around like unmanned. I mean, there's no remote, it's

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just gliding and he's gliding over a freeway full of busys.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, you know, falls in a different spot. It

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doesn't even blow up. They had to reshoot the explosion

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scene altogether.

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Speaker 2: It's just that's the scene where Kamal Khan tells Gobinda

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to go go outside and go get him. Yeah, I'd

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be like, sorry, you don't pay me enough money. I'm

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not doing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, he looks at him like out out there, Yeah,

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go out there and get him on the outside of

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the airplane. Okay, So Gobinda, let's talk about him for

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a second, I don't know who this guy is. His

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name is Kamir Bindi. H He to me, he's just

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a recreation of odd Job from Goldfinger. He gets mad

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and he crushes the dice. Yeah, that game very odd

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Job like feel to him. He didn't say anything, I mean,

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just very few lines like out there octopus a villain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, she was much more of a villain in

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the book and this one, I think they kind of

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lightened her up. They gave her a backstory which kind

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of explained why she was the way she was, which

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is her father was the one that James Bond had.

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I guess he allowed him to commit Like he's a

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bad guy that James Bond allowed to commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: But he was thankful for that, so thankful that she

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threw herself at him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she saves him several times during that deal.

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He's you know, they're in bed and then all of

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a sudden, there's a dripping buzzsob yo yo about to

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take your head off. That was a really memorable moment

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for me as a kid. And then of course shortly

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thereafter you and everybody's running in you know, you get

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the girls in the the Incredibles uniform. It's what they

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look like, Natalie, just to shoot off the bad guys.

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But then that guy gets his head smashed through the

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tank and gets the octopus on its face just like Alien.

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I mean, it just looked like, oh my gosh, guys, come.

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Speaker 2: On, Yeah, that blue ring octopus was the really the

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main bad guy. And then you have those ridiculous knive

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throwing twins. Yeah, you have Stephen Berkhoff, who plays General Orloff.

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Hills Cop. He's kind of known during this stretch time

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as playing a great bad guy.

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Speaker 1: So this is interesting. So there's the actor VJ. In

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the movie. The character VJ is played by an actor Vje.

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I believe is how you pronounced his last name. But

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he had been he'd been a tennis player before this, right,

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he was a professional tennis player. And so you've got

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some tennis jokes in there, like when the things are

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being thrown, somehow he gets a tennis racket and knocks

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it away. But he had he'd been a tennis player,

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and hadn't gotten his sag card yet, his screen actors'

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guilt card yet, And so they weren't gonna let him

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do the movie, and so Kubby Broccoli calls in a

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favor to Leonard Goldberg, who is the producer of Fantasy Island.

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There it is, Hey, there we go all connected, and

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gets him a guest spot on Fantasy Island and that

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was enough to get him a SAG card and then

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he could go and be in this movie.

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Speaker 2: That's cool.

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Speaker 1: That's cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about Magda for just a second.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: She's played by Christina Waybourne. She's kind of the red

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haired girl that Bond seduces earlier in the movie. She

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steals the Faberge egg from him and then makes this

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sort of exit by she ties a sash around the

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balcony and then falls over backward and spirals down using

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her dress essentially to escape, right right. Really cool stunt

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and that actress actually did that. Oh wow, it's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't do much else, Like she was on mcgever,

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she was on air Wolf. She became one of the eighties.

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You're in this TV show for an episode or two.

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Speaker 2: A team has to be in there somewhere, probably probably so.

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So you also have Lois Maxwell as Miss Moneypenny.

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Speaker 1: Just another side note. When Lois Maxwell met Ian Fleming

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back in the day when she was first cast, he

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started talking to her about how she was the perfect

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choice there at this like kind of cocktail party and

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he's like and she's like, well, what do you mean

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And he's like, well, just the air of sophistication with

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full and luscious lips. And she was like, oh really

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and kind of leans in a little bit, and she said,

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should I say cheese or prunes? And he said prunes

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and she said they were about to kiss. She was

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ready for the kiss, and then his wife walked, what

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you doing?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the cast of Octopussy. That of course

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leaves out Roger Moore, which we're gonna hold until the end.

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So let's put back to never Say Never again. Let's

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talk about the cast and never say.

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Speaker 1: Never again before we get started the cast the fight sequences.

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Do you know who they hired to be the trainer

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for the fight sequences in this movie?

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Speaker 2: I do know, but give it to me.

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Speaker 1: A young Steven Siegal who broke Sean Connery's wrist.

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Speaker 2: I heard this. He was on the Tonight Show talking

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about this. I know they were training and Steven Skull

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got him just right, and he's like, dang, that hurt,

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and he didn't realize it for like ten years later.

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It just kind of had a constant risk pain and

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it was all the way back to that incident Steven

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Skull broke Sean Connery's wrist. Okay, So, because Sean Connery

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had so much creative input on this movie, he had

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the final say on a lot of these actors. Kim

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Basinger plays I'm Gonna Pataci. She was actually recommended by

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Conrie's wife. She met her at a dinner party. She's

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an upcoming actress, she hadn't really quite broken it big yet,

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and Conyrie's wife thought she'd be perfect for the part.

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Speaker 1: She'd actually been asked to be a bond girl before,

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but was afraid of what kind of corner that would

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paint her in and turned it down. But then by

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nineteen eighty two she's like, Okay, I haven't made it

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big yet. I'm gonna go ahead and do this and

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get some public exposure. And it definitely worked out for her.

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Speaker 2: For me, she's always going to be Vicky Vail from

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Batman eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, yeah, okay, I'm gonna not go ahead

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weeks nine and a half weeks.

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Speaker 2: So rumor has it that Kim Basinger was a holy

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terror on this set, like nobody could get along with her.

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She hated everyone, She didn't socialize. Everybody hated her. Then

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you also have Claus Maria Brandauer, who played Maximilian Largo.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was Phil Collins. I'm just kidding. He

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thought that. When I was a kid, I was like,

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is that Phil Collins? And then I saw him in Buster.

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I was like, I guess it was Phil Collins. No,

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he's okay, he I don't know. He just doesn't He

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didn't strike fear into my heart. I guess him and

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the and the video game face off. It was all

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just kind of dumb to me.

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Speaker 2: We have to talk about the video game. Should we

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do it now or should we wait?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Largo and Bond meet together in this high falutin five

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star fancy casino and they're gonna play this video game

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called Domination, which is it's a really effective scene in

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the movie. If they lose, they get electric shocks from

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the from the game itself. But the funny thing to

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me is right before they sit down to play the game.

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Bond is walking around the casino and stumbles into an

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old school arcade, and then they have like fifteen centipede

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stand up video games all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I Beth, this probably wasn't too far off of the

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truth of what was really going on in some of

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the bigger casinos out there. I mean, we're talking about

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nineteen I mean this the movie came out in eighty three,

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but we're talking about nineteen eighty two. The year before that.

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You had Galagha come out. You had Donkey Kong Junior

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come out, you had Quicks come out, you had Missus

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pac Man come out. I mean, if there was an

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arcade video game peak climax, I bet that was it.

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Speaker 2: You're probably right. You're probably right. By the way, it's

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miss pac Man.

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Speaker 1: Did I send Missus? That's alright, it's very not politically.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Okay. And they hired Max von Sidou to play Blofeld,

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which he doesn't do very much, is not in it

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very often.

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Speaker 1: But but what a great bad guy he is.

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Speaker 2: He plays Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't look like that when

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he played Jesus. I mean, he looked much better back then.

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But let's not forget he was improving.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, cue the flash music right.

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Speaker 1: Now, I feel like I've done that already. Have I

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done that?

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Speaker 2: You did?

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Speaker 1: I did?

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is who I really want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, yeah, there's the Timothy Dalton connection. I was like,

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why did I do that? Oh? Yes, because Timothy Dalton

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was Barren in Flash Gordon.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's it, all right. So Barbara Carrera plays

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Fatima Blush. She is a former Playboy model. She was

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asked to play the character Ocoposy. She turned it down

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for a chance to work with Sean Connery, and we talked,

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this is the type of woman that you're like, I'm

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ninety nine percent sure she wants to kill me, but

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I still want to sleep with her. She's beautiful, she's sexy,

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she's deadly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and her end scene, like her death scene, is

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so much better than her counterpart in Thunderball. I mean

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I in Thunderball, he just uses her as a human

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shield when the assassin is trying to shoot him from

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behind the musicians. But oh my gosh, when she's going

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on her really nutty rant and then he manages to

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pull out the exploding bomb pen that he has, and

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then in her rant he shoots her and it doesn't detonate.

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She starts laughing and then boom and nothing's left but

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her shoes. That's one of the best endings to a

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Bad Bond girl I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: That's my favorite scene in the whole movie. And here's

467
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the deal. She's got the drop on him with the gun. Right, Okay,

468
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there's this huge motorcycle chase that's really awesome. She finally

469
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gets him, she's got the drop on him.

470
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Speaker 1: She has him write it out that she was the

471
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best he ever had. It's so random, it's so dumb.

472
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Speaker 2: Write this down, I James Bond W seven. Yeah, I

473
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mean there.

474
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Speaker 1: Was this girl from Philadelphia. I loved it. I loved it.

475
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Speaker 2: And you're right. When he hits her with that Bazuka pen,

476
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,680
it's a just boom and she actually fires back. She

477
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,039
misses him just barely, and then she explodes and it's great.

478
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,480
What a great death. See a couple of other people

479
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,359
we need to talk about. Bernie Casey plays Felix Lighter, right,

480
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,079
which he that is the same guy who plays mister

481
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,680
Ryan from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

482
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Speaker 1: Right, the history teacher, and he's also the training ops

483
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guy for spies like us. And so this movie's got

484
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Roan Atkinson in his first feature film performance.

485
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Speaker 2: Yes, he plays Nigel Small Fuscet.

486
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Speaker 1: Oh the names it just so so subtle, so subtle Fawcett.

487
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And then of course he goes on to you know,

488
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he's mister Bean. He's got all kinds of success in

489
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various roles, but one of the most memorable ones in

490
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relation to this is, of course Johnny English.

491
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Speaker 2: I love Johnny English. My kids think that is one

492
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of the funniest movies ever.

493
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Speaker 1: And one of the taglines on one of the posters

494
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was the little brother of James Bond.

495
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Speaker 2: Nice. The last one I want to talk about is

496
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Valerie Leone. She plays quote the lady in the Bahamas.

497
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This is the girl who is fishing while Bond is

498
00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:21,599
wrestling sharks and her lure comes by. He grabs the

499
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lure and she reels him into the boat. He's got

500
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this weird scuba gear outfit on, and so the next

501
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:31,319
scene he's wearing her overalls. So seeing Sean Connery in

502
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overalls a little hard for me to take.

503
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Speaker 1: Oh, I goess, yes, we can't leave out of the cast.

504
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,519
The guy who's always in the fight with our action

505
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,279
hero mister pat Roach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who, if.

507
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Speaker 1: You don't know, is the guy who played the big

508
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german in Raiders of the Lost Arc who is fighting

509
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with Indiana Jones. He also plays the guy with his

510
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,200
arms on fire at the earlier scene, the Nepalese guy

511
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fighting with Indiana Jones. He ends up fighting obviously with

512
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James Bond here, and he was also the guy in

513
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Temple of Doom who gets the rock dropped on his head.

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Speaker 2: Masure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He and Bond have this really great fight scene at

517
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,400
the spa where Bond is there getting in shape and

518
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,799
they're wrestling and fighting and you know, he's whooping Bond,

519
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:24,119
He's throwing them all over the place, and they go

520
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,720
and they ended up in this room where Bond picks

521
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up this glass and it's got this unknown substance in there,

522
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and he throws it and splashes it in the guy's

523
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eyes and as he's like screaming about you think it's acid,

524
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,119
he Bond looks at it and says, James Bond, you'urine sample.

525
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,200
This is kind of funny scene, but the thing that

526
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kills him is he backs into all these glass glasses

527
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that kind of stab him in the back. But that

528
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whole scene I thought was great. So for me, Never

529
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:53,799
Say Never Again has the stronger cast. I think Barbara

530
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:57,559
Carrera steals the show. She's way more formidable than any

531
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villain in Oxpossy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that probably the

533
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stronger cast members are going to be a Never Say

534
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Never Again.

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Speaker 2: I agreed, all right, D So let's let's compare gadgets

536
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,319
from these two movies real quick, and Never Say Never Again.

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You've got the laser watch, and you've got the super

538
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,960
cool rocket motorcycle that Q gives to Bond. Right in Octopussy,

539
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you've got the TV watch.

540
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Speaker 1: You've got the TV watch, and you've got the pen

541
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that shoots acid.

542
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Speaker 2: You also have the giant union Jack hot air balloon.

543
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Speaker 1: It's infamous, maybe the best Bond vehicle that has ever been.

544
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I don't know, you.

545
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,799
Speaker 2: Show us up, check me out, can't miss me coming

546
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,000
in to help. I'm not covert at all.

547
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Speaker 1: Right, the whoever makes those how it should have really

548
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,240
ended things at the end of that movie would have

549
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,000
been like, what the heck is that shoot that down?

550
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,599
Speaker 2: Boom?

551
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Okay, movies over all, right, move on.

552
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: One of the coolest vehicles though. From Octopussy, Bond travels

553
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000
around in the submarine that looks like an alligator. That's

554
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,799
it's pretty sweet. Okay, so not much on gadgets, but

555
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,759
other than the really cool early version of the Apple

556
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,960
Watch that Bond has an Octopo.

557
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Speaker 1: Seko TV they actually these were real things. It was

558
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black and white. It wasn't color, and I'm pretty sure

559
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,839
that the cleavage shot would have been much more pixelated

560
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than it appeared in the movie. But there was a

561
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black and white TV watch that existed at that time.

562
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Speaker 2: We keep mentioning the cleavage shot. Let's talk about that

563
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,319
for just a second, okay, because it is so silly.

564
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like if if my if my fifth

565
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:39,160
grader did that, I'd be like, you are grounded? What

566
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,799
were you thinking?

567
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Speaker 2: Okay for those who don't remember, when he Bond is

568
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meeting with Q and they're looking at all these gadgets,

569
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bonfinds a video camera that's hooked up to a TV

570
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console and he zooms in on this girl's cleavage, kind

571
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of going in and out like a like a goofy teenager.

572
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Speaker 1: Would he just leaves it there? It's just you're just

573
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watching four screens of boobs for the next two minutes

574
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of the scene. Here are a couple of things that

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are interesting about Never Say Never again. Number one, this

576
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was the last film where Sean Connery was clean shaven,

577
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and thank goodness, and I think it was the last

578
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,480
one where he wore the hair piece. I mean, it

579
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:20,279
was just like, you're just trying too hard to look

580
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,000
like you did twenty years ago. So good job on that.

581
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,880
You still are a sexy man with your gray beard

582
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and your bald head. Everybody loves you like that, so

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he's stuck with that. This is the only Double O

584
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:34,799
seven movie that was directed by an American. It was

585
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,079
directed by Irvin Kirshner, who we talked about was also

586
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the director of Empire Strikes Back. But it wasn't the

587
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first time that Irvin Kershner had worked with Sean Connery.

588
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He had also worked with him in nineteen sixty six

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on a movie called A Fine Madness.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is super interesting. I think I think I'm

591
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gonna blow your mind on this. You ready for this?

592
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay.

593
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Speaker 2: Largo's ship in the movie is called the Flying Saucer. Okay.

594
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,680
From the book It's called the disco Valante, which means

595
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,839
flying saucer, so they just kind of americanized it. But

596
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,000
it was a super yacht. It was called Kingdom five

597
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:13,359
k R. The closing credits include the line thanks a

598
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k that refers to Adnam Koshagi, the Saudi arms dealer

599
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who allowed them to film aboard his two hundred and

600
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eighty foot yacht. He later sold the yacht too. Drum roll,

601
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Donald Trump, whoa who renamed it the Trump Princess. That

602
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,480
is no joke. It's currently owned by somebody else, but.

603
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Speaker 1: Still, yeah, that's crazy. This was the last movie to

604
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:45,480
feature Specter until twenty fifteen, when Daniel Craig's Spector Bond

605
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:46,240
movie came out.

606
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Speaker 2: Short side story, I remember going and waiting in line

607
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,519
at the movie theater. I'm ten years old, and the

608
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,160
movie people come out to say the seven to fifteen

609
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,839
movie of octopusy has sold out.

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Speaker 1: Right.

611
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:02,559
Speaker 2: These teenagers behind me are like, octa, what octawah? And

612
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:04,880
my dad's like if you ever act that way in public? Okay,

613
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:16,359
So all right, what tidbits do you have on Octopussy?

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Speaker 1: So the Faberge egg is the same Faberge egg that

615
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,440
appears in Ocean's twelve and the scenes we talked about

616
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,559
the stunt scenes, you know, where that he's hanging onto

617
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a plane and he's hanging onto a train. The stunt

618
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,640
man who was who was actually doing the part of

619
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,920
hanging onto the train got seriously injured. The train went

620
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,240
further than it was supposed to and he smashed into

621
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,839
some pylons and had significant damage to his leg and

622
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,880
a hip. He was in the hospital for months but

623
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:49,680
made a full recovery. And then also the actor who

624
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,519
had our Yo Yo Buzzsaw broke his arm when he

625
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:56,440
fell over the balcony onto Octopussy's bed, but he he

626
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,519
didn't stop filming like he broke his arm, and they

627
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,240
finished all of the scenes that in that movie.

628
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Speaker 2: Nice, good for it. Yeah, all right, here's something I

629
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:08,119
got on Octopusy During filming. Roger Moore was misdiagnosed with

630
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heart problems. When he got home, maud Adams had her

631
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,880
boyfriend who was a doctor at the time, gave him

632
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000
a second opinion and pronounced him medically fit.

633
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,599
Speaker 1: We listened to the soundtrack show right yep, and you

634
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,839
remember what diegetic music is? Do you remember what that is? Yeah?

635
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you hear that the characters here as well.

636
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: Yes, so this is the only movie that James Bond

637
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:33,400
actually hears the James Bond tune in and it's you know,

638
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,079
it's being played by VJ at the beginning of Octopusy.

639
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,680
And not only does he hear it, he recognizes, which

640
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,319
is how did he know what his theme music is?

641
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:46,920
That's kind of cool.

642
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,839
Speaker 2: So they had a couple of little things like that.

643
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,200
Here's an interesting tidbit that I found fascinating. So we

644
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,519
already talked about how Sean Connery and Roger Moore were friends. Yes,

645
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,920
Don Connery wanted a closing scene of the movie to

646
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,400
be him down the street, him bumping into a person, right,

647
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and it turns out that that person is Roger Moore,

648
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and they both kind of turn and look at the

649
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,199
camera and smirk and kind of go their separate ways.

650
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But as cool as that would have been, Kubby Brocker,

651
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,559
there's no way he's going to.

652
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,119
Speaker 1: Go for that, right, Yeah, So what you got instead

653
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,199
was the one time in all of the Bond movies

654
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,920
where James Bond breaks the fourth wall right at the end,

655
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,639
you know, gives that little look to the camera.

656
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: I love. What when they break the fourth Wall. It's

657
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,559
very inclusive of the audience.

658
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,119
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, all ah Bert Reynolds, a la Eddie Murphy. So,

659
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,000
of course while they're making these movies, this is a

660
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:38,039
UK production for both movies, and they're making the movies

661
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,920
at the same time. And sure enough in London, Roger

662
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,840
Moore runs into Sean Connery. And these guys are buddies.

663
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,079
I mean they are friends. They've been friends for twenty

664
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,559
years at this point, and so they run into each

665
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,639
other outside of a hotel room as the movies are

666
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,679
being made, and Sean Connery is talking to him and

667
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,000
he says, so where you headed? And Roger Moore is like, wow,

668
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:05,639
I'm going to this awful little town south of London

669
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,119
to shoot some of some country scenes, which is which

670
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,360
is the Cuban part right right? And then Roger Moore

671
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,519
is like, so where are you going. He's like, I'm

672
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:18,400
going to the south of France. Oh okay, Sean Connery,

673
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,320
where are you going after you shoot south of London?

674
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,760
He's like India? And Sean Connery is like oh, and

675
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,280
Roger Moore is like where are you going. He's like,

676
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,360
You're going to Bahamas? All right? Then good luck with

677
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:32,719
your movie.

678
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, have a great time. We talked about this a

679
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,880
little bit the other night. When you are playing Texas,

680
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,880
hold Them, yeah, you've got pocket eights.

681
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: Jason and I were playing Texas Hold Them literally two

682
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,119
nights ago, and at some point I had a pair

683
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:50,880
of eights and I showed him to Jason and I said,

684
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,719
you know what this is? He says, yes, I do.

685
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: Pocket eights are known as an octopussy.

686
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,559
Speaker 1: By the way that one comes up in Casino Royale

687
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,360
when they're playing Texas hold Them at the table. Daniel

688
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,320
Craik's character has pocket eights, and so we hand Yeah.

689
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,039
Speaker 2: I love it when they give a little wink to

690
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:08,840
other Bond movies like that.

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00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,199
Speaker 1: Absolutely So. During during the filming of this, there was

692
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,039
a young production assistant whose job it was to drive

693
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,719
Roger Moore around and he was petrified that he was

694
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,360
going to mess something up or get in a wreck

695
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:29,159
and kill Sir Roger Moore. And at some point he

696
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,880
was being so careful that more you know, tipped his

697
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,599
paper down from the back and said, you can go

698
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:42,599
a little bit faster, And that young man went on

699
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,199
to have his own catch line, which was.

700
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Speaker 2: Because it was Carrie elways from Princess ride Way.

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Speaker 1: Now you know the rest of the story.

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Speaker 2: That is awesome. Okay, here's something I got for you

703
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:04,039
on Octopussy. The acrostar plane used in the pre title

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00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:07,840
sequences now hanging from the ceiling of a restaurant in Clearwater, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Cool, we go.

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00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,599
Speaker 2: That would be awesome. I would love to go there

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00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:12,440
and see that. Yeah, I think that'd be super cool.

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00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,079
Speaker 1: I wonder if the wings are up or down.

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Speaker 2: There was a video game called James Bond as seen

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in Octopussy, and it was developed by Capcom and Parker

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00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,079
Brothers for this movie in nineteen eighty four. It was

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designed for the Atari twenty six hundred.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing that video game.

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Speaker 2: So it was designed for the Atari's twenty six hundred,

715
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,480
the Atari fifty two hundred, the Commodore sixty four, and

716
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,000
Kalico Vision platforms. But it was never released.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's why I don't remember exactly.

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Speaker 2: If it had been, it would have been the first

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James Bond video game associated with the title of a

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Bond movie. All right, let's compare Bonds and move into

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00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,480
final judgment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Sean Conner, cool, sophisticated manly, funny and brief moments,

723
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:10,159
but ultimately almost infallible as James Bond. Your thoughts, I mean,

724
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:11,360
I agree with all of that.

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Speaker 2: And he's tougher, he seems more physical.

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00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,639
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

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00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,159
Speaker 2: I believe him beating bad guys up a whole lot.

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00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,079
Speaker 1: More than I do Roger Moore, or shooting a gun.

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00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: Or running. My gosh, Roger Moore is the slowest runner.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Roger Moore is even said this he doesn't

731
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,719
like shooting guns, which is a terrible I mean, it's

732
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,920
a terrible condition to be in if you're gonna be

733
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,400
playing James Bond. He's like, I always blink before I

734
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,519
shoot the guns.

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Speaker 2: You see.

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Speaker 1: Roger Moore is definitely funnier. I like his self deprecating

737
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,679
sense of humor, but as smooth as he is, he's

738
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,199
just not quite as cool as Sean Connery. What are

739
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:51,559
you thinking?

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is hard for me because I grew up

741
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,119
in the seventies with Roger Moore movies. So my heart

742
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:03,519
says Roger Moore because he is funny, and he is.

743
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:08,599
He is very sophisticated and cool, just not as tough.

744
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,119
I think I favor the Roger.

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Speaker 1: Moore move It's a hard question, isn't it. It's hard

746
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:20,599
Some people are so so stuck in their stance on

747
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,400
this one. But it is a hard question because we did,

748
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,760
we did grow up with the Roger Moore bond, and

749
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,119
so he was kind of bond to us. Going back

750
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,880
and looking at it, he does look a little, for

751
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,920
lack of a better word, prissy in certain circumstances. Yeah, So, honestly,

752
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,760
here's here is my take on it. Right, I would

753
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,360
probably rather watch Roger Moore. Yes, I'd probably rather be

754
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,079
Sean Connery.

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00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I go with that.

756
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: I go with that.

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00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: I think in this movie, though he looks a little old,

758
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,159
they I think they both look old to be to

759
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:58,639
be real both world man, both World. And then Roger

760
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,440
Moore does another one after this it looks even older.

761
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,440
But I think I think you're right. I think I

762
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,360
enjoy some of the Roger Moore movies more, but I

763
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,320
think Connore is a better bond. Okay, you made you

764
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,159
made a come in a few weeks ago, flashback to

765
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,400
our Cannonball Run episode. Yeah you said you enjoyed Roger

766
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,039
Moore and Cannonball Run as and call that one of

767
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:21,679
his best bond performances.

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Speaker 1: I totally I agree with that. I still agree with

769
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,360
that because he was probably cooler in this one and

770
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,760
probably cooler in Cannonball Run.

771
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,639
Speaker 2: Okay, let me throw this out there real quick, all right,

772
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,000
go ahead, Yeah, I'm with you. And everybody has their

773
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,320
own Bond, and everybody has their own opinion, and and

774
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,360
I know that that Connery is kind of the guy

775
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:45,280
for most of our listening audience. You have two of

776
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,559
the most uncool scenes with Bond in all of Bond movies.

777
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:54,239
In both of these movies, Okay, so you have Sean

778
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:00,559
Connery wearing overalls and nothing else, and you have Roger

779
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,480
Moore dressed as a clown trying to undo a nuclear bomb.

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00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: So overall, like in all of Bond history, here are

781
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,280
you picking?

782
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,639
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think the best Bond

783
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:12,440
is Daniel Craig.

784
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,039
Speaker 1: I totally agree, There's no question about it. For me,

785
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:19,079
Daniel Craig is the best Bond that's ever been a Bond.

786
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're I think that's cool that we can

787
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,199
agree on that Daniel Craig is the best Bond. I

788
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,119
think the second best Bond is Pierce Brosman.

789
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: Well, Pierce Brosnan kind of wove together the great parts

790
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:35,800
of Sean Connery and Roger Moore. He was able to

791
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,400
be funny and cool at the same time. He was

792
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,800
able to be self deprecating but wasn't prissy at all.

793
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,480
It was yeah, yeah, he was. It was a perfect meld.

794
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:49,559
It was just he didn't have super great movies. So

795
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,719
the way he played Bond was spot on. That was great.

796
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And we talked. We talked briefly that he

797
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:04,440
was a great Bond, he just had terrible scripts. Right, Okay,

798
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,039
So Never Say Never Again versus Octopusy, which is the

799
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,039
better movie Octopussy?

800
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,599
Speaker 1: Wow?

801
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay.

802
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: I I just in going back and like I've already said,

803
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,320
I've already said how I feel about the Bonds, and

804
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,599
I talked about the plot points, and I talked about

805
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:26,639
the action that's involved. But it's a more engaging movie.

806
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:29,239
It does move, it moves more quickly, it has more

807
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:36,159
action sequences. The characters to me are more interesting in Octopusy. Yes,

808
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,599
I think that Sean Connery is kind of like Christopher Reeve.

809
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:43,400
He will always be the original Bond. But but Never

810
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,400
Say Never Again was not a great comeback roll for me.

811
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:50,920
For for him. I mean, maybe if he this would

812
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,719
have this would have been an interesting idea. What if

813
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,719
he had played the part with his gray beard and

814
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,599
his hair piece gone and played it like that, that

815
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,519
might have been more fascinating. But this one, I just

816
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,800
felt like he was he was trying too hard to

817
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,840
beat the bond of the sixties in his nearly sixties.

818
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,880
I guess I don't know, you know, it was just okay,

819
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:10,760
what are your thoughts?

820
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,559
Speaker 2: Well, so I want to love Octopussy? Right we talked

821
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,159
how for your eyes only? Was my entry. I love

822
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,599
that movie. Octopussy comes around and when I see it, honestly,

823
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:23,679
I was disappointed at the movie theater as a kid.

824
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,440
It's it's silly, and the clowns and the bad guys

825
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,639
aren't very good, and the plot is convoluted.

826
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Speaker 1: You have a yo yo buzzsaw.

827
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,639
Speaker 2: The yo yo buzsaw is pretty cool, and the alligator

828
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:39,880
submarine is pretty cool.

829
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,639
Speaker 1: What about the What about the closing when he's flying

830
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:44,880
in the plane and he's holding on the plane. That's intense.

831
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:46,679
That was cool, awesome scene.

832
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Speaker 2: That was a great scene until the guy says, you

833
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,400
go out there and get him, which is great.

834
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: The guy goes flying off the edge when he hit

835
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:01,679
him in the face at the age.

836
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Speaker 2: A great way to go, which that would hurt like

837
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:08,119
crazy man, oh my nose. So I give the nod

838
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:10,079
to Never Say Never Again. I think the plot is

839
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,800
more interesting. I think you get bonus points for having

840
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,679
a super cool battie. Barbara Carrera kills it as Fatima Blush.

841
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,719
I'd love her in this, so I'd rather have Bahamas

842
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,320
and Barbara Carrera.

843
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: Octopusy grossed more in the box office. Never Say Never Again?

844
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Speaker 2: Did it did? So? So Octopusy we talked about had

845
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,360
a budget of twenty seven and a half million dollars

846
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,800
and made one hundred and eighty seven million dollars. Right,

847
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,480
But not only did it make more, but it was

848
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:43,119
more profitable. I'm sorry. The budget for Never Say Never

849
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,840
Again was thirty six million and the box office was

850
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,159
one hundred and sixty million. Right. It'll a big hit,

851
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,840
just not quite as big as OCTOPUSY. Right. I think

852
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,239
part of that it would have been interesting to me

853
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:58,400
to see how they both would have done if they

854
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,199
had both been released in June.

855
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Speaker 1: It has been great to do this again. I can't

856
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,559
wait for next week's episode, which is which is going

857
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:11,239
to be Motley Cruz Doctor Feel Good versus skid Row's

858
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,519
debut album, skid Row Man.

859
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that one. Those are two of

860
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,280
my all time favorites. I have had a great time

861
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,840
getting into these Bond movies, even though they're not the

862
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,760
best of Bonds that the story to me has been

863
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,519
really fascinating. So I hope you've enjoyed this deep dive

864
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:29,719
into what was going on behind the scenes, and nineteen

865
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eighty three made for a spectacular year.

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Speaker 1: At the box office. If you haven't followed us or

867
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:36,920
liked our page on Facebook, do that now. We're getting

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So let other folks know. D Jason catch you next week.

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Speaker 2: Man, all right, man, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 3: Right the sun Rasp