1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:07,599 As you're all aware, we are at the Christmas break 3 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:13,039 for the trial, so obviously there's nothing groundbreaking happening in 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,160 the mornings or even in the evenings at this point. 5 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:18,280 But that's okay, because we're still going to be here 6 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:22,480 adding some context, and we're going to do that today 7 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:28,320 by talking about the grand jury transcripts from Palm Beach. Now, 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,120 there was a lot of talk a few weeks ago 9 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:35,960 that this judge was going to release these grand jury transcripts, 10 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:39,920 and that would have been a huge boost in the 11 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:44,920 arm for transparency. We all know that whatever went on 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,479 in that grand jury room in two thousand and six, 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,799 it was not good, all right. Whatever was going on 14 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:57,719 in that grand jury room based on that arrest was 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,880 not up to par. And the the fact that only 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,400 one of those girls was able to give their story 17 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:07,120 in front of the grand jury tells you everything you 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,760 need to know about the prosecutors and about the whole 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:21,719 entire scenario that unfolded this prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein. The 20 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:27,239 original prosecution was legitimately one of the biggest travesties of 21 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:32,959 justice perhaps ever. When you look at the grand scope 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,640 of it all, and you look at the disgusting nature 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,439 of his crimes and the wake of misery he left. 24 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,879 I mean, it's hard not to look at it like that. 25 00:01:48,519 --> 00:01:52,560 And the fact that Barry Krisher and the State Prosecutor's 26 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,120 office in Florida worked hand in hand with Dershowitz and 27 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Lefkowitz and the rest of Jeffrey Epstein's legal team to 28 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:04,799 not only get him off, but to destroy his own witnesses, 29 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:10,479 Barry Kirsher's own witnesses, meaning these girls, is just unbelievable 30 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,639 to me. And you have this judge down there in 31 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,719 Palm Beach, you know, one of the good old boys, 32 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,000 one of the been around forevers, still mucking things up, 33 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:28,599 still not interested in transparency. You would think, after all 34 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,479 these years and all of the scrutiny over the Jeffrey 35 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:34,599 Epstein case, that some of these judges would wise up 36 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:37,800 by now. But like I always say, they think they're 37 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,400 feudal lords and these courtrooms are their fiefdoms and they 38 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:47,439 can do whatever they want. And these lifetime elected, lifetime 39 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:51,759 appointed judges bad news. Folks talk about people who are 40 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,159 power hungry. Every now and then you'll run across one 41 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:57,719 of these judges like this guy, and you just shake 42 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:01,960 your head. But there's been a lot of them when 43 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,560 it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case. A lot of 44 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,479 these judges, a lot of these people in positions of power, 45 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,960 have failed these girls time and time again. And with 46 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,039 this latest blow, this judge not going to release these transcripts. 47 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:24,800 It's just another victory for the scumbags and just another 48 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,759 hurdle in the way of those who are trying to 49 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,280 bring those scumbags to justice. This morning, we have an 50 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,639 article from the Palm Beach Post and the author is 51 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,479 Jane Musgrave. Was the Jeffrey Epstein case intentionally sunk? Judge 52 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,080 won't excuse me, Judge won't release secret grand jury papers. 53 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:53,240 And again it's another blow to transparency. It's another blow 54 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:57,159 to those of us who want the truth, and it 55 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:04,759 just again throws up another over. What everybody perceives at 56 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:09,919 this point is government malfeasans. You would think that they'd 57 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:12,199 want to expose that, right, you would think that they'd 58 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,680 want to put that on blast, But that's not how 59 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:19,040 it works. They're going to cover your ass mode and 60 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,040 they got to protect the other scumbags that they work with, 61 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,720 and it's just such a dog and pony show at 62 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,560 this point, and the illusion that there's a fair justice system, 63 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:34,759 the illusion that there isn't a two tier justice system, 64 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:40,680 is being shattered on a regular basis at this point. 65 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:44,480 A Palm Beach County Circuit judge on Monday refused to 66 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:47,879 release secret documents that could explain why a two thousand 67 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:52,360 and six grand jury indicted serial child molester Jeffrey Epstein 68 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:56,240 on a single charge of prostitution despite evidence that showed 69 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,079 he abused more than a dozen girls at his Palm 70 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:02,040 Beach mansion. Now let that sink in for those of 71 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:05,759 you who aren't really completely up to date on the case, 72 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,439 you know, those of you who have you know, had 73 00:05:07,439 --> 00:05:11,399 a life for the last three years, this might seem like, 74 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:13,759 what the hell are you talking about here? How is 75 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,560 that even possible? But this is what they've been dealing with, 76 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:21,959 meaning the survivors from the beginning, law enforcement has not 77 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,160 been on their side. Law enforcement, in fact, a lot 78 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:29,000 of the time has worked against them. And you see 79 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,319 it here again when you have this judge who makes 80 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,560 the decision that these grand jury documents will not see 81 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,959 the light of day, as if it's some sort of 82 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:44,079 national security issue where nobody should ever see those grand 83 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,439 jury documents. Now, I understand if there was a legitimate reason, 84 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:53,439 a legitimate issue, keeping those documents from the public, But 85 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:57,000 there's no legitimate reason, unless, of course, you're trying to 86 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:00,000 cover for somebody, unless of course you're trying to protect 87 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:07,759 your friends in a tent. In a ten page order circuit, 88 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,639 Judge Donald Haffel rejected arguments by attorneys for the Palm 89 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:15,120 Beach Post who pushed him to release the records, citing 90 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,079 a rarely used state law that allows the secrecy of 91 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,199 grand of the grand jury to be pierced to further 92 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,480 the interests of justice. And if this isn't a case 93 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:29,360 where that hits home, I don't know what is. These 94 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:33,160 grand jury testimony should be on the uh uh uh 95 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:39,879 uh excuse me released. They shouldn't be hidden from the 96 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:45,000 public for all of these years, especially if it moves 97 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,319 the interests of justice, and it certainly would, considering the 98 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,560 non prosecution agreement is based on all of this, So 99 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,920 to get rid of that non prosecution agreement, wouldn't it 100 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,199 stand to reason that having these grand jury documents tints 101 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,839 released would go a long way to making that occur. 102 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:12,240 While Halfel noted the newspaper offered strong arguments, he said 103 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,240 he was bound by the state's law. The court rules 104 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,240 against the newspaper because the established and binding maxims of 105 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:23,759 Florida law constrain it to do so, Halfley wrote. Halfly wrote, 106 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,759 and again we know that that's not one hundred percent 107 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,839 the case. If it promotes the interest of justice, as 108 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,279 according to the state law in Florida, then the documents 109 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,360 can be released, the transcripts can be released. But they 110 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,000 don't have any interest in doing that. Him, the other 111 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,160 judge that's involved in this, Krystal Marx, all of them 112 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,120 had ties to Barry Krisher or other people involved in 113 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,839 the case. That's how these things work with these bureaucrats. 114 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,480 They're all friends, they're all going to the same company functions, 115 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:58,079 and on and on and on it goes. We've discussed 116 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:00,800 it a lot here on this podcast. You're not buying 117 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:03,959 the lawyer for what they're going to do in the courtroom. 118 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,120 For the most part, you're paying for a lawyer for 119 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:11,920 the connections they have outside of the courtroom, for the 120 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,360 access they can get you to the prosecutor's office. Why 121 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,120 do you think in a situation like Maxwell's she hires 122 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,360 somebody like Christian everde ex prosecutor has a lock with 123 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:28,879 the SDNY knows all of the prosecutors. They're all probably chummy. 124 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,839 They probably go to barbecues together, you know what I'm 125 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:38,200 talking about. While state law allows the release of grand 126 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,440 jury records to further the interest of justice, he said, 127 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:45,200 it is clear the legislature intended that exception to be 128 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,399 used only in pending criminal or civil cases. So just 129 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 because this happened a while back, and now Epstein's dead, 130 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,639 let's just forget it ever happened. We'll just move on. 131 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,240 And you know what it is, what it is. Sorry, 132 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,639 the girls who are victimized, no justice for them. It's 133 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,519 basically what this judge is saying. And I mean it 134 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,279 shouldn't shock anybody considering, you know what we see these 135 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,200 judges do on a regular basis from the bench here 136 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,759 in America. But you would think that something like this, 137 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,960 with all of the interests surrounding it, all of the 138 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,360 questions that still need to be answered, that if you 139 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:25,360 were a judge, you'd say to yourself, you know what, 140 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,879 in the interests of justice, in the interests of moving 141 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,840 the truth forward. I'm going to release these transcripts, and 142 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:35,720 that's what the law is put on the books for. 143 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,720 But unfortunately this judge didn't want to interpret the interpret 144 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:44,279 it that way. Instead, the newspaper advocates a more expensive 145 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,720 interpretation of the term. He wrote, the newspaper wants the 146 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:51,759 ability to publish the materials and reference them and its reporting, 147 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,799 and also to make the materials available to the public. Yeah, 148 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,960 that's how this works, judge. Okay, the public is interested 149 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:01,440 in a case that it's probably one of the most 150 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,120 corrupt of all time. So yeah, there is going to 151 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,360 be a bit of hesitancy to trust you. There is 152 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,960 going to be a bit of cynicism when it comes 153 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,279 to court rulings, and the fact that you want to 154 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,000 keep this stuff away from the public is just going 155 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:25,039 to feed into conspiracy theories and outlandish thoughts. The government 156 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,919 plays a huge part in all of that. They could 157 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,759 stem and stop a whole bunch of the conspiracy stuff 158 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:34,200 with a whole lot of different topics if they just 159 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,639 stop their bullshit. But they don't want to ever be transparent. 160 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:42,039 They want to keep everything private. Everything's a national security issue, 161 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,559 isn't it, And that's what they'll say. Or if you're 162 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,399 looking to get information about something, say like Jeffrey Epstein's 163 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,960 first alleged suicide attempt, what they'll say is the information 164 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:56,759 is unavailable because it's still part of an ongoing investigation, 165 00:10:57,159 --> 00:11:01,840 and that ongoing investigation has to do with Tartan. So 166 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,720 they'll just run you in circles for as long as possible, 167 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,000 and if somehow you do get some Freedom of Information 168 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,279 Act information from them, it'll be heavily redacted or partial. 169 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:20,720 You'll never get the full story like the newspapers attorneys. 170 00:11:21,879 --> 00:11:25,600 Haffel said the transcripts could help answer troublesome questions about 171 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:31,320 why the politically connected, multimillionaire pedophile escaped serious punishment. Some 172 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,320 claim that then State Attorney Barry Krisher was improperly influenced 173 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,399 by Epstein's high octang defense team. I agree with that. 174 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,720 I definitely think he was. When you go back and 175 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,360 you look at all of the documentation, and you look 176 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:46,960 at the reporting, and you look at how things broke, 177 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:51,960 it's very obvious that he wasn't working as an advocate 178 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,039 for these survivors, and neither was the Prosecutor's Office of 179 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,679 Florida or hell, the federal prosecutor's office either. Because remember, 180 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,759 while Acosta was the one who was the direction man, right, 181 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:09,000 the guy who was considered the quote unquote boss on 182 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:11,600 the ground, he had people to answer to as well. 183 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:15,200 He's just a mid level bureaucrat. He don't make decisions 184 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,399 like this. He had to kick that up the chain 185 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,039 to move Mukesi and the rest of them. So they 186 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,159 all failed from the top down, from the federal government 187 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:28,080 all the way down to the state, and now all 188 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,960 the way back to this judge. Absolute failures a top 189 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:38,159 of absolute failures. It may very well be that the 190 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,559 disclosure of Jeffrey Epstein's grand jury records could reveal the 191 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,000 fair treatment did not occur, and that mister Epstein might 192 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,799 have escaped appropriate punishment through some failing of our justice system. 193 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:55,759 Haffel said, yeah, well, how about releasing the documents then instead, 194 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:58,679 you'll just sit on them right like a dragon hoarding 195 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,679 its gold. Post hasn't decided whether to appeal, but he 196 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:07,399 said state law can't be ignored on a whim or 197 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,240 to satisfy the public's curiosity. The court's interpretation of the 198 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:14,240 scope of the state law. End of the phrase furthering 199 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,799 justice is governed and constrained by the established rules of 200 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:23,480 statutory construction, Halfley wrote. Attorneys for the Posts said they 201 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,879 were reviewing the order and had not yet decided whether 202 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,559 to appeal. I really hope they do. I mean, I 203 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,559 know it's an extra cost on them to appeal stuff 204 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,960 like this, and you know, the attorney fees get to 205 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,039 be a bit excessive. But you would think that in 206 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,799 the interest of justice, in the interest of transparency, that 207 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,000 they would release this documentation. And really what it comes 208 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:53,679 down to is this judge's interpretation of the law. That's 209 00:13:53,720 --> 00:14:01,399 all it is. But he said state law can't be 210 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:07,159 ignored on a whim or to satisfy the public's curiosity. 211 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,440 In a statement, a comptroller and Clerk of the Courts, 212 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,039 Joe Abruzzo, said that while he hired a top media 213 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,879 lawyer to represent his office in the lawsuit, he wasn't 214 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:20,879 against the newspaper's request. While Florida statute is clear on 215 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:24,600 its prohibition of releasing information from grand jury cases, I 216 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,480 want to be clear that I have absolutely no objection 217 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,120 to releasing grand jury information in the Epstein case if 218 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,759 directed by the court. A Bruso said so what the 219 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,879 comptroller is saying. Look, I'll release this information, but I 220 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,120 have to be directed to do so by the court. 221 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:44,240 That's the only way that I can release this. And 222 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,960 once again it goes back to the judges, these guys 223 00:14:47,039 --> 00:14:55,559 running around like their Taiwin lanister in the courtroom. He 224 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:58,279 hired Shane Voight, a Tampa attorney who won a one 225 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:01,679 hundred and forty million dollars verdict against Gawker on behalf 226 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,840 of retired professional wrestler Hulk Hogan and has represented others 227 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,919 in fights against news outlets, to represent the office. During 228 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:15,080 a hearing on October twenty second, Void argued that if 229 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,639 half of approved the newspaper's request, it would open the 230 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:21,480 floodgates for others to do the same. Well, so what 231 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,279 open the floodgates and then on a case by case 232 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,320 basis decide what should or what shouldn't be released. Why 233 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:30,519 is that so difficult? Oh? Is it going to cause 234 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:36,320 extra work for the clerks? God forbid? I mean, are 235 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,120 we supposed to just slow everything down and you know, oh, well, 236 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,039 let's wait on things here, because you know, we don't 237 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:48,559 have enough time or enough people. I don't even understand 238 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,840 what any of it means the floodgates will open. Well, 239 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,399 if they're legitimate requests, then maybe the floodgates need to 240 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,879 be opened, said he could craft the narrow order that 241 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,840 would assure the clerk wouldn't be inundated with demands for 242 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:08,720 grand jury records. Still, he said, after reviewing the law, 243 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:13,399 he determined the documents must remain secret. State Attorney Dave 244 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,000 Ahrenberg declined to comment on Halfle's decision. While the paper 245 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:20,879 initially named him in the lawsuit, he was dropped after 246 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:24,559 he claimed he didn't have the records. Executives of the newspaper, 247 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,879 which is owned by Gannet Gannet Company, said they were 248 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:31,919 disappointed by Halfle's decision. Yeah, you would think so. Right. 249 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,480 As a newspaper organization, the idea is to get as 250 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:39,960 much information to the public as possible, let the public decide. 251 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,639 And what better way to do that than to provide 252 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:48,159 raw data such as transcripts. I don't need the middleman, right, 253 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,320 provide us with the transcripts, provide us with the information 254 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,879 that we need, and let us decide what's going on 255 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:59,000 here as the public. But no, they'll keep everything hidden. 256 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,759 And then what he'll do is he'll cite some obscure 257 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,559 law here. Oh well, it'll cause a flood of other requests, 258 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,559 and all of it is nonsense. Whenever I hear any 259 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,960 of this stuff, all I hear is no, we don't 260 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,960 want to be transparent. No, you can't know the truth. 261 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,799 That's basically what I hear every time they start in 262 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:23,039 on the nonsense. While the Post appreciates the court's consideration 263 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,920 of the issues, we respectfully disagree with the legal conclusion 264 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,599 that public access to the Epstein grand jury materials is 265 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:35,720 not warranted under the circumstances, said Marrable Perez Wadsworth, president 266 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:39,839 of Gannett News USA Today Network and publisher of USA Today. 267 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,839 It is our right and responsibility to report all aspects 268 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,960 of this case, and we will continue to diligently seek 269 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,200 the facts in our pursuit of transparency. Can't argue with that, 270 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,519 and props to them for doing it. I mean, is 271 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:59,279 it too much to ask to have some transparency or 272 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,599 as the public to have the proper information in a 273 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:11,039 case that is so important. Post Executive editor Rich Christie 274 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:14,839 echoed those sentiments. For sixteen years, the Post has been 275 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,759 driven to report on the heinous acts of Jeffrey Epstein 276 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,640 for two reasons, justice for the victimized girls and accountability 277 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,640 for our readers. He said, today's ruling by Circuit Judge Haffl, 278 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,839 while disappointing, does not deter us from our mission of 279 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,799 furthering justice for Epstein's young victims. The Post will always 280 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,599 fight to shine a spotlight wherever it is needed to 281 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,039 expose the actions or in actions of those charged with 282 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,119 serving and protecting the public period. He concluded, Hey, I'll 283 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,559 tell you what, I'm all for that, and I'll be 284 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,480 right here with you, Ryde and Shotgun as far as 285 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:54,200 trying to get these transcripts, because it's a big deal. 286 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:59,119 It's a huge deal. And I can't express enough how 287 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,559 important that on prosecution agreement is in protecting these people. Still, 288 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:06,680 and all of this plays such a huge part in 289 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,519 that the ruling was a blow to efforts to unravel 290 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:16,960 the sordid case that grabbed international attention. It also came 291 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,480 on a day that a federal jury in New York 292 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:24,799 began deliberating whether Epstein's longtime girlfriend co conspirator Gleain Maxwell 293 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:28,319 recruited in groom teen's for his pleasure. The fifty nine 294 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,119 year old British socialite, co conspirator, general all around scusbag 295 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,400 bipedal serpent faces a lengthy prison term if connected if 296 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,119 convicted of multiple charges in connection with the sex trafficking scheme. 297 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,119 During the October hearing, the newspaper's attorneys argued that the 298 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,400 case was unique. More than fifteen years has passed. Epstein 299 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:50,599 is dead, so none of the information can be used 300 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,880 against him. The sixty six year old financier pedophile who 301 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,319 counted former President Bill Clinton and Britain's Prince Andrew his friends, 302 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,759 hung himself allegedly in a Manhattan jail cell in August 303 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:07,079 twenty nineteen while awaiting trial on dozens of sex trafficking 304 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:12,640 charges in New York. Again, he's dead. None of this 305 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:15,519 information can be used against him or anything like that. 306 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,319 So I don't understand how it won't be released. Now. Look, 307 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,680 if he was still alive and there was a chance 308 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,559 that this information could be used or all right, I 309 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,599 get it. I might not agree with it, but I 310 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,359 get it. I don't agree with it, and I don't 311 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,680 get it in this instance. The guy's dead, he's rotting. 312 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:40,079 It's time for transparency. A dozen girls said they were 313 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,160 sexually abused. Only one testified as part of a twenty 314 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,839 nineteen investigation titled The First Failure. Sources familiar with the 315 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,359 grand jury proceedings told the Post that while more than 316 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,119 a dozen teens told Palm Beach police that Epstein molested them, 317 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,799 only one, a fourteen year old girl, was called to testify. 318 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,000 And this is what I talk about a lot in 319 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:05,200 reference how only one girl was called to give testimony, 320 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,759 and how it flashes shades to what we saw here 321 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:13,319 in the Maxwell trial with only four girls being called. Well, 322 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,119 I understand the scopes a little bit different. It's just 323 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,680 for those of us who have been through this already, 324 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:26,799 it's concerning to see the sources said Krisher's top lieutenants 325 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:29,880 villified the team. Instead of focusing on the abuse she 326 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,000 suffered at the hands of the wealthy pedophile, they quizzed 327 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,519 her about her social media activity, which included references to 328 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:40,000 boys and drinking. Her posts on her MySpace page were 329 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,400 We're given to Kursher by Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, 330 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,680 one of Epstein's top flight attorneys, and that was the strategy. Then, 331 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,680 it's the strategy now, and it'll continue to be the 332 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,839 strategy until these juries wake up and start convicting these people. 333 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,160 We all know that the girl were absolutely destroyed by 334 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:06,960 not only the authorities, but by Epstein's attorneys. Oh they're 335 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,759 talking to boys, they were smoking weed, they drank on 336 00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:14,240 their MySpace page. Really, let me ask you, how many 337 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,880 of you out there, as young teenagers didn't do any 338 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,319 of those things? I know we all did. I know 339 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,640 I did. If you're gonna base my life on what 340 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,759 I did as a young man, then boy, I'll tell 341 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:33,000 you I'd be in big trouble. Her alleged treatment by 342 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:36,799 state prosecutors could explain why grand jurors indicted Epstein on 343 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:40,279 the lone prostitution charge instead of multiple counts of child 344 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:47,319 molestation that were sought by the police. The prostitution charge 345 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:50,319 ignored the tender age of Epstein's accusers and the fact 346 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,200 that teens under the age of eighteen couldn't legally consent 347 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,880 to sex. We've talked about that from the jump too. 348 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:58,799 How can you even call a girl under eighteen a 349 00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:02,440 prostitute when they can't even consent to sex? How is that? 350 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:10,039 Even logical legal experts say prosecutors will tremendous influence over 351 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,680 grand jurors who aren't skilled in the law. Cynically, some 352 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:17,559 embrace a time honored maxim that a prosecutor, if he desired, 353 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:20,799 could indict a ham sandwich. And this is a fact 354 00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:25,480 as well. You know, the grand jury rooms are places 355 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:31,000 where indictments definitely come down at a huge swell. The 356 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,680 statement you get a ham sandwich indicted at a grand 357 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:39,000 jury certainly rings true because it's something that a lot 358 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:43,920 of people talk about who are in the know. After 359 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,160 his death, scores of young women came forward publicly describing 360 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,559 how Epstein sexually assaulted them at his home in Palm Beach, 361 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:54,119 his penthouse apartment in Manhattan, his ranch in New Mexico, 362 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,720 and his private island in the Virgin Islands. Some said 363 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,240 he forced them to have sex with his celebrity friends 364 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,680 while aboard his private jet, the Lolita Express. Many teen 365 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:08,559 victims were from Palm Beach County, like teens from Royal 366 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,240 Palm Beach and John I. Leonard High Schools. Many were 367 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,079 allured to Epstein's homes with the promise of being paid 368 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,400 two hundred dollars to give him a massage. He greeted 369 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,039 them wearing little more than a towel. He offered to 370 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,359 pay them more, to disrobe, let him fondle them, and 371 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,960 to have sex. Boy, what does that all sound like? 372 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,759 Sounds like a bunch of testimony we just heard, doesn't it. 373 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:34,920 Imagine this testimony mirrors that testimony. And if they would 374 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,680 have actually done their job during this first arrest and 375 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:43,079 had more than one of the victims give their testimony 376 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,200 to the Grand Jerry, a lot of this could have 377 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:53,960 been stopped. Perhaps the girls, some from hardscrabble backgrounds, were 378 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,119 promised careers in high fashion college educations or other perchs 379 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,440 that were beyond their reach. The Grand Jerry mark the 380 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,119 beginning of when the case spun out of control. Angry 381 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,359 at Chrishier's handling, at his agent's angry at Chrisher's handling 382 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,240 of his agency's investigation, Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Ryder 383 00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:17,440 went to the FBI. Ultimately, in his secret deal, South 384 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,359 Florida attorney Alex Acosta agreed to shelve a fifty three 385 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,920 page federal indictment against Epstein if he would plead guilty 386 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,799 to state prostitution charges. And now remember it's not just 387 00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,880 a costa here. He's the scumbag with no spine, no 388 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,400 doubt about it, and he deserves his infamy for his role. 389 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,960 But he wasn't the one who made the decision. He 390 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,599 might have been the one who filed it up the 391 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,160 chain of command, but he didn't okay it, that's for sure. 392 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:51,480 As part of the so called non prosecution agreement, Krisher 393 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:54,640 added a charge of solicitation of a minor for prostitution. 394 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:58,799 Federal prosecutors insisted on the second charge because it would 395 00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:01,799 force Epstein to register as a sex offender. How that 396 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,240 workout in New Mexico. Oh, that's right. He didn't have 397 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:08,640 to register there because he knew he planned all of this. 398 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:16,400 He took precautions. On June thirtieth, two thousand and eight, 399 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:20,519 Epstein pleaded guilty in Palm Beach County Circuit Court to 400 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:24,480 both prostitution charges. He served thirteen months of an eighteen 401 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:28,119 month sentence and a largely vacant wing of the county stockade. 402 00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:32,000 He was given liberal work release privileges. He was allowed 403 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,440 to spend up to twelve hours a day, six days 404 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,960 a week working at a private foundation he created months earlier. 405 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,160 The fallout from what one state prosecutor described as the 406 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:46,440 deal of the century was far reaching if delayed, and 407 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,200 not only was Epstein out, according to some of these 408 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,519 other accusers, he was abusing them while he was out 409 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,680 on this work release program. Fantastic job done by the 410 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,640 federal government. Huh, fantastic job done by the Florida state authorities. 411 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,000 After Epstein was charged in New York, a Costa resigned 412 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,720 as former President Donald Trump's labor secretary when questions were 413 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,000 raised about his involvement in crafting the non prosecution agreement. 414 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,799 Before his resignation, a Costa sought to blame Krisher. He 415 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:20,039 claimed he was forced to clean up a mess Krisher 416 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,079 created when the state prosecutor refused to file serious charges 417 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:28,319 against Epstein. Acosta pointed out that Krisher originally offered to 418 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,759 allow Epstein to plead guilty to aggravate an assault, serve 419 00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:34,480 no jail time, and have the felony record a raised 420 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,599 if he complied with the terms of his probation. That 421 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,039 was unacceptable, Acosta said during a nationally televised news conference. 422 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,720 So basically, it's a point him game, right, you did it, 423 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,839 he did it, she did it. And in reality, what 424 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,759 they do is they cause enough confusion then that nobody's 425 00:27:52,759 --> 00:28:01,599 held responsible. Krisher responded that Acosta was attempting to rewrite history. 426 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,599 In a prepared statement, he said, I can emphatically state 427 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,119 that mister Acosta's recollection of this matter is completely wrong. 428 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,319 A federal investigation in twenty twenty found that Acosta place 429 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,119 too much trust in Krisher. A two year state investigation 430 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,279 completed last year concluded that Krisher had little input into 431 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:26,400 the nonprofit prosecution agreement and found no wrongdoing. State investigators 432 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,920 were denied access to the grand jury proceedings. So not 433 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960 only has the public locked out, they locked out the 434 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:40,279 state investigators who were investigating wrongdoing here in the FDL report. Yeah, 435 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,839 nothing to see here, folks, keep on moving. Everything is 436 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:51,200 just fine. We're all fine. After Epstein died, authorities in 437 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,359 the US Virgin Islands worked with those who were administering 438 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,400 his estate to set up a fund to compensate his victims. 439 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,480 They wrapped up their work in August after paying slightly 440 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,920 more than one hundred and twenty one million to more 441 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,680 than one hundred and thirty five people, According to the 442 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,920 New York Times, Look, this is a situation that, obviously, 443 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,000 as you can tell here, has been going on for 444 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,599 quite some time, and there was hope that this judge 445 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,519 was going to release these grand jury documents. Well that's 446 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,519 not going to occur. So the battle continues for transparency, folks, 447 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:27,319 and we'll continue to report on it and we'll continue 448 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,720 to talk about it until there's some movement and we 449 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:37,039 finally get a glimpse behind the curtain. All Right, folks, 450 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,920 that's gonna do it for me today, and I'll be 451 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,680 back later on, obviously with a evening update and expect 452 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:48,480 some more context episodes as well. If you'd like to 453 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,880 contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at 454 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,000 ProtonMail dot com. That's Bo bbu Y c ap Ucci 455 00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,799 at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me on 456 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,400 Twitter at bobbuy Underscore cap Ucci. The link that we 457 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:12,880 discussed can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, 458 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,240 and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Before we dive 459 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,839 into the content for today, I wanted to take a 460 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,400 minute to wish all of you and your families a very, 461 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,119 very merry Christmas. I know that it's been a rough year, 462 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400 rough couple of years for just about all of us, 463 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,680 but hopefully for the next couple of days at least, 464 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,119 we can put all of that stuff to the side, 465 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,920 and we can spend this time with our family, our 466 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,440 loved ones, our friends, whoever it may be, and take 467 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,359 an account on what good stuff we have in our lives. Right. 468 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,119 I know it's easy to focus on how bad things 469 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,559 are and how disastrous the world around us is, but 470 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,359 every now and then we have to take a minute 471 00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:05,039 to appreciate the good things in life and appreciate the 472 00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,799 people who we love and care about and the people 473 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,920 who care about and love us. And what better time 474 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,680 to do that than right here around the holidays. So 475 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,799 I wanted to let all of you know how much 476 00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:22,279 I care about you, because there are a million other 477 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,839 options for you out there, yet you continuously choose to 478 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,079 come to my podcast and hang out with me and 479 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:35,359 shoot the shit about a heavy ass subject. So I 480 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,440 appreciate all of you, and I am very thankful for 481 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,359 all of you as well, and I hope that you 482 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,599 take the time out of your schedule, the time out 483 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,759 of your day, whatever it may be, and carve that 484 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:51,640 time out for yourself and your loved ones. Because guess what, folks, 485 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,359 Life is real short, right, and when it's all over, 486 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,160 it seems like it was just a minute. So if 487 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,359 we don't snatch some of that goodness one wee can. Boy, 488 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,480 oh boy, I'll tell you what. So, I really hope 489 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,599 that all of you, from the bottom of my heart, 490 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,920 have an amazing Christmas, an amazing holiday season, and let's 491 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,119 hope that this upcoming year is the best one that 492 00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:21,119 any of us have ever had. With that said, we're 493 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:26,599 gonna jump into an article today from Insider, and this 494 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,920 article is about the juror notes again. And I figured 495 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,559 that we have this recess time and a little more 496 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:36,559 time to build on this topic, we might as well 497 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:41,799 do that, considering it was probably the most quote unquote 498 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:46,680 important thing to occur during the deliberations. So I figured 499 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,039 we'd dive back into this and spend our morning talking 500 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:55,039 about these notes once again. This article is from Jacob 501 00:32:55,359 --> 00:33:00,480 shamsy in over at Insider, and the headline is notes 502 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:04,119 in Glaigne Maxwell child sex trafficking trial show that they're 503 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,599 taking her accusers seriously, legal experts say. Now, we read 504 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,599 about this previously over at Law and Crime. The day 505 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,519 that this was happening, we had a breakdown from Adam Klasfeld. Now, 506 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:21,599 with a few days to chew on it a little bit. 507 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,200 Let's see what Insider has come up with. On Wednesday afternoon, 508 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,200 the twelve jurors deliberating Glaigne Maxwell's fate gave everyone a surprise. No, 509 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:35,839 they hadn't come to a decision yet, and no they 510 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:39,519 wouldn't reach one before Christmas. That the jurors needed more 511 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,440 than two days to decide whether Maxwell would be found 512 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:48,680 guilty or acquitted of six complicated counts wasn't necessarily unexpected. Maxwell, 513 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,880 a child of the former British media baron Robert Maxwell, 514 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,440 stands accused of trafficking girls to Jeffrey Epstein for sex 515 00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,599 and sometimes participating in sexual abuse herself. She has all 516 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,519 the charges. So at first glance, it would look to 517 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,440 me right as somebody who's sitting in the peanut gallery 518 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,119 and who doesn't even watch Law and Order, never mind 519 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,039 know about procedurals in the courtroom. But it would look 520 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,199 to me as if the jury is just being very 521 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,800 thorough here. They're going over every last bit of information 522 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,800 that they can so that they don't forget anything or 523 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440 leave anything out. And to be honest with you, if 524 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,480 my life was on the line and I was a defendant, 525 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,960 I'd want the jury to take their time too, be 526 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,639 very very meticulous if you will. But you know, the 527 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,559 cynic in me, like I said yesterday, wants me to say, 528 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,800 oh man, this is bad news for the prosecution. The 529 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,400 defense is really going to, you know, find a way 530 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,360 to wiggle off here. And the cynic in me wants 531 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,000 to say that. But who knows what's going to happen 532 00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,639 and who knows what these jurors are thinking. You want 533 00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:00,320 to think that these jurors, you know, I heard the 534 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,400 same testimony that we did and know that Maxwell was 535 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,519 a huge part of it. But again, we're talking about 536 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:12,639 human beings here, and human nature in general is unreliable 537 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:19,559 jurors and other trials have taken longer for less complicated allegations, 538 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,760 but the prosecutors and defense attorneys had both previously expected. 539 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,840 The jurors want to go home before the US District 540 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,039 Court in Manhattan closed its doors on Thursday, ahead of 541 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,239 Maxwell's birthday on Christmas Day, And that's a juror you 542 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,920 would think, right, yeah, I want to get this wrapped up. 543 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,639 I mean, now you got to go to Christmas dinner. 544 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,159 You know your family's gonna have questions you can't talk 545 00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:44,639 about it. You know, you're like, hey, pass me the 546 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,800 ham But you know what I heard about Glenn Maxwell, 547 00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:50,119 and that's what you're thinking as a juror in your 548 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,840 head as you're having your Christmas dinner. Maybe it's just 549 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,920 my anxiety, but there's no way that I'd want that 550 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,159 hanging over me. I'd be like, no, we got to 551 00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,920 get this hammered out, folks. I need to be able 552 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,559 to eat my turkey in peace and not think about 553 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:08,719 Glenn Maxwell's gross ass. But these jurors, they're being deliberate, right, 554 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:19,199 they're being very surgical with what they're doing. Alice and Nathan, 555 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,639 the judge overseeing the case, squeeze closing arguments and her 556 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,280 charging conference into one marathon day on Monday, giving them 557 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,880 a couple of days to deliberate in the late afternoon 558 00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:33,000 before continuing on Tuesday and Wednesday. Once she offered to 559 00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,039 keep the courthouse open for them Thursday, they responded with 560 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:40,079 a note, Nah, no, thank you. The jurors are scheduled 561 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:43,440 to resume deliberations Monday. So far, they've sent just a 562 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,760 handful of juror notes with questions. So the judge was like, hey, 563 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,679 so you guys want to come in on Monday, you know, 564 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,639 do some deliberation. Maybe jury's like, nah, we think we're 565 00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,079 going to pass. It's kind of like when your boss 566 00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:01,119 comes into you, right, it's a holiday weekend and you're like, hey, Bobby, 567 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,480 look bro, I'm gonna need you to put in a 568 00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:06,440 few extra hours here on this holiday. What do you think? Yeah, 569 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,159 the answer is no, my friend, And basically what the 570 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,880 jurors said to the court right there. The jurors are 571 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,559 scheduled to resume deliberations Monday. So far, they've sent just 572 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:23,360 a handful of juror notes with questions. Three legal experts 573 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,079 Insider interviewed caution that the information we have thus far 574 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,599 is too limited to draw strong conclusions about what jurors 575 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,000 may be thinking, except that they're taking the testimony from 576 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:38,480 accusers seriously. And that's important, right. I think that's a 577 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:42,320 huge tell they should be taking that testimony seriously. It's 578 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,159 the most important part of the whole entire witness package here. 579 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,639 So if they're not taking it seriously, Houston, we have 580 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:56,719 a problem. But Lisa Bloom, an attorney representing eight Epstein accusers, 581 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,719 said it may be a bad sign for prosecution that 582 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,760 the still having come to a unanimous conclusion. Yeah. Sorry, 583 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,519 I don't really have any good things to say about 584 00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:10,599 Lisa Bloom. Not really a fan of her or her mother, 585 00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:14,679 Gloria Allred. I'm not a fan. And the things that 586 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,519 they talk about when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case. 587 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,920 I don't want to say that they absolutely clueless, but 588 00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:28,320 they're absolutely clueless. There may be at least one juror 589 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,280 who has reasonable doubt the end over the weekend that 590 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,239 could grow. Bloom told inside her I've watched hundreds of 591 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,079 juries and high profile cases, and many in my own cases. 592 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,639 And when they decide to break and take a long 593 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,519 holiday weekend and come back, I think that's generally a 594 00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:47,400 good sign for the defense. Or flip it around, maybe 595 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,639 that jur is gonna go home, take a look around 596 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,440 at they're family members, their little thirteen year old nieces 597 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:58,480 and nephews, and come to a completely different conclusion. The 598 00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:02,559 request for Carolyn's interview could be good news for Maxwell. 599 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,719 In their time deliberating, the jurors have sent a handful 600 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,199 of notes, two of which have stood out. They requested 601 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,880 an FBI interview of Carolyn, one of Maxwell's accusers who 602 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,440 testified using only her first name, and they asked whether 603 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,239 the testimony of Annie Farmer, the last accuser in the 604 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,800 child could count towards two of the conspiracy counts against Maxwell. 605 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,760 That goes against the defense because they're asking if the 606 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,400 part of Annie's story, the transportation part, can be used 607 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,599 to convict Maxwell. And the judge said yes. So remember 608 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:44,000 that's a big deal because the wrench was Annie being 609 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:50,599 over the age of consent in New Mexico. I think 610 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,800 that probably did make the defense feel pretty good, because 611 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,039 that's really where they focused on challenging the victim's testimony. 612 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,719 Huntley Taylor told Insider and Carolyn in particular, because she 613 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,360 did she didn't mention Maxwell to the FBI. Carolyn has 614 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,000 spoken to the FBI a number of times following what 615 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,880 she said was years of sexual abuse at the hands 616 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,039 of Epstein. In her trial testimony, she said Maxwell sometimes 617 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:19,519 scheduled sexualized massages with Epstein at his Palm Beach, Florida home. 618 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,960 And we know that that's what so many different girls 619 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:28,079 have said. I mean, we're not even talking about the 620 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,519 ones that have given the testimony here. What about all 621 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:34,199 of the unnamed girls that we're never going to hear 622 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,480 from are their voices not important to their stories, not 623 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,679 matter to the fact that they were victimized and abused 624 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,199 by Jeffrey Epstein and Glenne Maxwell, not matter because maybe 625 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,559 they're from Eastern Europe or something. All of it is 626 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:55,679 just an absolute abomination. According to notes from a two 627 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,159 thousand and seven FBI interview, Carolyn didn't name Maxwell as 628 00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,280 one of the people whose scheduled massage, but just a 629 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,440 woman with an accent. Maxwell's defense attorneys have high highlighted 630 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,880 what they viewed as discrepancies in Carolyn's stories as a 631 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,280 way to discredit or testimony. Bloom said, jury notes means 632 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,400 that jurors are taking Maxwell's lawyer's arguments seriously. It means 633 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,800 the jury is very carefully reviewing the evidence, and at 634 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,679 least one of them thinks that that the cross examination 635 00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:28,639 and those FBI statements were significant enough to request them, 636 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:34,280 Bloom told Insider. Because the FBI interviews aren't recorded or transcribed, 637 00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,360 they can't be entered into evidence in a trial. The 638 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,719 agents who sit in on those interviews just have notes 639 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,039 called a three o two document, but not a deposition 640 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,320 transcript that jurors asked for. Yeah, and the three oh 641 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,840 two is what they do whenever they're questioning you, Right, 642 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,519 whenever you get questioned by the FBI, they hit you 643 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:54,800 with that three to oh two, and that ends up 644 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,440 being their report, and they'll use that report to try 645 00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:01,639 and catch you up in aery or whatever it might be. 646 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:15,079 But those reports are not admissible. Nathan declined to give 647 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,159 the FBI notes and instead directed them to the evidence 648 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,639 and trial transcripts they already had. Something Bloom said that 649 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,360 Jerry may find frustrating. Jerry's definitely don't like when things 650 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,519 are kept from them. Bloom said, I don't know who 651 00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,079 they're going to hold this against. Would they hold it 652 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,280 against the prosecution or would they hold it against the 653 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,400 defense that it didn't come into evidence. Of course, it's 654 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,719 not the fault of either, it's just the rules of evidence. 655 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,719 Oh thanks Lisa Bloom. I mean you couldn't find anyone 656 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,719 else to talk to yet to go and find Lisa 657 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,199 Bloom of all people. Good Lord. Moira Penza, a former 658 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,679 federal prosecutor who led the case against Nexium cult leader 659 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,360 Keith Rainiery, pointed out that the process of impeaching or 660 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,320 discrediting a witness was harder than it looked, even if 661 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,000 Carolyn re different details about her story over time. That 662 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,000 doesn't mean HER's story was necessarily inconsistent. She may have 663 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:11,039 simply emphasized elements about Epstein earlier in time because the 664 00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:15,679 FBI investigation and lawsuit she filed were centered on Epstein. 665 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,079 You'll see that even very experienced trial lawyers trying to 666 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,840 say this person changed their story is actually much harder 667 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,400 than you would think, Pensas said, because often it is real, 668 00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:31,679 it isn't really very clear cut. The fact that the 669 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,480 jurors asked for only the FBI three h two of 670 00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,519 Carolyn also bodes well for the rest of the case. 671 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:42,239 Pensas said, after all Maxwell's attorneys grilled the other three accusers, 672 00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,719 Farmer as well as Jane and Kate, who testified under 673 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,880 pseudonyms about their FBI interviews, and jurors didn't ask for 674 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,920 notes about theirs. I don't think that we're seeing evidence 675 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,880 so far, though the excuse me. I don't think that 676 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,760 we are seeing evidence so far through the note process 677 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,559 that the jury is burying this defense. Penza said that 678 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,480 there was a whole conspiracy for all of those victims 679 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,639 to manipulate their story to implicate Glen Maxwell. Right and 680 00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:13,400 that's basically what the defense wants to say, that all 681 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,599 of the stories were manipulated, that the uh, the survivors 682 00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:22,599 are all lying, they're misremembering. Hell, maybe they even all 683 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,320 got together to concoct this through their lawyers. You know, 684 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,519 that's the kind of defense that we're seeing from Maxwell here. 685 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,960 The jury questions Annie farm The jury question about Annie 686 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:38,360 Farmers seems clearcut when for the prosecutors. Later on Monday, 687 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,199 jurors asked Nathan whether they can consider Farmer's testimony as 688 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,960 conspiracy to crime and counts one and three, which would 689 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,360 allow them to find Maxwell guilty of two of the 690 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,519 conspiracy counts against her. So that's important, right, and it 691 00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:59,800 definitely leads into hopefully a conviction. Here, Maxwell's lawyers appear furious. 692 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,519 Her attorney, Christian Everdell, asked Nathan to give a qualified 693 00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:07,559 answer about the limited about the limited nature of Farmer's testimony. 694 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,320 Nathan ultimately sided with Assistant US Attorney Maureen Comy, giving 695 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,599 a simple yes as an answer. Bloom said Nathan's clear 696 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,719 as a bell answer was a victory for prosecutors. Anytime 697 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,000 you can get the judge who's the authority in the 698 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:25,440 courtroom to give a definitive yes to a question that's 699 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,239 a definite win for the prosecution. She said, I could 700 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,559 see that for sure, right. Look, at the end of 701 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,239 the day, it's about getting all of these little w's 702 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,320 and adding them up to a gigantic win that turns 703 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:47,400 into an indictment. Penza said the question may reveal another 704 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,519 element of how jurors worth thinking that they were closely 705 00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:56,079 focused on Maxwell's role in Epstein's sexual abuse operation. Absolutely, 706 00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,239 they want to set it up as, oh, this is 707 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,400 about Jeffrey Epstein. This is to go after Jeffrey Epstein 708 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,440 because he wasn't punished the first time around. Well, guess what, 709 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,440 think what you want. But the fact of the matter 710 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:12,920 is this Maxwell was there every step of the way, 711 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,280 had her hands on the reins every step of the way. 712 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:26,320 She's only getting what she deserves at this point. It 713 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,599 is highly excuse me. Aside from the specific requests about 714 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,800 Carolyn and Annie, the jurors also asked for copies of 715 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,239 transcripts for testimony from all four accusers and the trial. 716 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,000 They also asked for transcripts of testimony from Juana Lessi, 717 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,440 Epstein's former Palm Beach butler for twenty years, who was 718 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,440 one of the prosecution star witnesses. If jurors taking all 719 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,840 the accusers seriously, it may be harder for them to 720 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,280 disentangle Maxwell from Epstein. According to Penza, at the end 721 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,400 of the day, it's going to be difficult for the 722 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,360 jurors to believe that all of these women were lying 723 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,559 about Glaine Maxwell's role, Penza said, And that's what it 724 00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:10,360 comes down to, right The absolute sheer volume of accusations 725 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,000 against Glaine Maxwell is going to weigh heavy with the jury. 726 00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,519 You have to think anyway, all of these people with 727 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:20,039 these same stories coming out and telling them it is 728 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:27,360 not good for you. Maxwell's defense attorneys have argued that 729 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,199 Epstein compartmentalized his life and that Maxwell didn't know about 730 00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:36,599 his sexual proclivities. But Farmer's story is decidedly less complicated 731 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,760 than that of the other accusers in this case. She 732 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,239 testified in the trial that she spent a weekend at 733 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,840 Epstein's New Mexico ranch when she was sixteen years old, 734 00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:50,000 during which Maxwell gave her a sexualized massage and seemed 735 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,679 to groom her for sex with Epstein. Farmer's more limited 736 00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,079 experience with Epstein and Maxwell one weekend rather than years 737 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,159 of abuse that the three other accusers testified about at 738 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,639 the trial. Give jurors a different way to examine Maxwell's 739 00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:07,000 role in Epstein's life. And I've been convinced of this 740 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,719 since the beginning, meaning that Annie's testimony would be the 741 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,280 one that sinks them. They made a very crucial error 742 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,679 targeting Annie Farmer Folks, and it's really coming back to 743 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:20,679 bite them in the ass now. Because she was unshakable 744 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,000 on the witness stand, you couldn't impune her honor or 745 00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:30,239 her integrity, and it gives you a glimpse at what 746 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,199 some of these other girls could have had in their 747 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:40,159 future if they weren't abused by Maxwell and Epstein. It 748 00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:42,960 looks like the jury is concentrating on what evidence is 749 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,760 there that Maxwell knew what was happening when she wasn't 750 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,559 in the room, Penzus said, when she was grooming these 751 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:53,039 girls and recruiting them. With their question, Penza said, jurors 752 00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:56,079 appeared to be zeroing in on exactly what Maxwell knew 753 00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:59,719 about Epstein praying on teen girls. It's not that the 754 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,039 problem section has to prove that she saw what happened 755 00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,440 with her own eyes, she said, even if she was 756 00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:07,880 just burying her head in the sand. It's the law. 757 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,360 If you bury your head in the sand, then you 758 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,199 were just as criminally culpable. And that's the facts. You can't, 759 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,679 you know, say, oh, well I didn't know, I had 760 00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:20,440 no idea, and think you're going to get off. Go 761 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,519 try that after you get a speeding ticket or something 762 00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,679 with the cops. Just doesn't work out well for you. 763 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,199 And I don't think that defense would work out well 764 00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:33,440 here either. Now, I certainly don't have a crystal ball, right, 765 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,960 and I certainly am biased hoping that she gets convicted. 766 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,000 But I would think that on the back of this testimony, 767 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:47,440 especially especially with Annie's testimony bringing up the rear of 768 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:55,039 the way it did, that an indictment is inevitable. And 769 00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,599 you would hope, especially for the survivors, that that's what 770 00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:03,920 happened here, because, boy, let me tell you, maxwell walking 771 00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,440 quite possibly is one of the biggest travesties in the 772 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,119 history of the world. So let's hope that that does 773 00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:14,599 not occur. All right, folks, Well, that's gonna do it 774 00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:20,039 for the second day of Christmas recess here, and we're 775 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,679 only gonna have the one episode today. As far as 776 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,599 you know daily updates, and obviously I'll have more context 777 00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:29,800 episodes for you. I posted the first one, the Khaliff 778 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,119 Browder episode. I have two more that go along with 779 00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:36,760 that series. We're gonna finish off the Women Who Enabled 780 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,159 Epstein series, and then I have a couple of other 781 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,480 things that I'm going to post as well as far 782 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,280 as context goes, to get us prepared for the upcoming week. 783 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:50,360 Now tomorrow, I haven't really decided yet what I'm going 784 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,320 to do if I'm gonna pop on at all or 785 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:55,400 maybe take the day off. I'm leaning towards taking the 786 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,159 morning off and just doing context episodes. But we'll see 787 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,360 what happens. We'll see how I feel, and uh, if 788 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,599 I get up early enough, maybe I'll hop on and 789 00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:06,719 we'll go through a new article as well. We'll just uh, 790 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,400 I guess we'll just have to play it by ear. 791 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:13,239 Either way, there'll be context episodes for you and uh yeah, 792 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,400 all that other good stuff. All right, everybody, So I 793 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,159 hope all of you have an amazing day and hopefully 794 00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,679 you're all relaxing and all of that jazz like we 795 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,519 talked about in the opening, And it is my greatest 796 00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:30,519 wish that this next year coming up for all of 797 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:34,239 us is just the greatest one ever, folks. So with 798 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,920 that said, I hope everybody enjoys their day, enjoys their family, 799 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,360 and I will be back later. 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