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Speaker 2: Nice n.
Speaker 1: Sot. Hey, everybody, welcome to for crying out loud. I
have a guest in studio. He's my co host for
the day, smiling ear to ear because he's such a pro.
He's a TV veteran.
Speaker 2: That's what I am.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what you are.
Speaker 2: I'm a TV veteran. But in the podcast world, I
feel like I just got call up to the majors,
like so okay, so I'm hoping, I, you know, throw
a couple of good innings here, stay up for longer
than a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: Thank you, while you were kind enough to step in
for Stephanie. Our girl has the COVID. Yeah, she is
down and out.
Speaker 2: Like really feeling terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's really feeling bad. So yeah, so she's got
the day off.
Speaker 2: Sorry to hear that, but really grateful she's sick so
I could be here.
Speaker 1: Very grateful for you to step in. And then I
have Olga, our nanny, coming on on Friday show.
Speaker 2: Well, so the lineup this week, right, I'm surprised I
didn't get bumped for that reminds me, is a vision
in my head of what what that person looks like, right,
And if I could digress. When we were in New
York doing my talk show, which you're aware of, yes,
and we had just we had a almost three year
old or a three year old and a rand new baby,
and we were interviewing for nanny's and I came back
from the studio and on the couch is the nanny
my wife has hired. I had nothing to do with.
And she's wearing ripped jeans that are painted on tight.
She is a buxom blonde from Sweden, like literally cast
out a penhouse to be the nanny.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I walked in and made no comment. Robbie looked
at me, looked at the nanny and she was fire
buddy the other day. She was probably great. But I
asked Robbie what experience she had. She said she worked
at her father's garage in Sweden.
Speaker 1: In Sweden, and that was it. Wow. You know, I
think Robbie probably feels very secure.
Speaker 2: Well, until I walked in the house, I knew better
than to say anything. I didn't say it worse. Yeah,
so wow, she's gone.
Speaker 1: Well, my Olga is a Guatemalan, She's from Guatemala. She's
very motherly. Well, she's she's great, she's great. I never
tried to hit on. I will, but.
Speaker 2: It doesn't take much to paint a picture for the
misogynist that lays deep within all of us find out.
But I'd like to meet Olga.
Speaker 1: Yeahs to the episode? Yeah, oh thank you. Okay, So
let's say hi to our peeps. First, Dick is still
frolicking in the sand, Ashley is so she Kelly, Lottie Da,
Katie's rolling on e which we'll get into now, Aaron,
who is? And Nikki call your girls? Leslie is the
costing people still outside of Petco this time? She's the
costing people, all right?
Speaker 2: Is that her post?
Speaker 1: That's her that's kind of her. The Yeah, she roams
around the valley. Actually, Jacob is very growley, but we
love him. Rita Bassiette Elizabeth Williamson has a ton of kids,
but we love all of them, some of them. Anthony
Athena Ginsurd. We love your dancing Polly, We love your pancakes.
Valerie hits it out of the park. Fenwick, Katerina, check
out Moler. Gabby and Missy still up to no good.
But they got they got a job now. So Ishan
vash Bee is still hot. Rebecca Luvin's so cute. Kelly
Branch your aunt. She'll take it to Planned Parenthood. Alicia
Scalante Leslie is still coughing. Stephanie's a stinker rinker and
she's giving her shout out to plan Parenthood this month.
Speaker 2: Okay, but do you know what this sounds like to me?
What does it sound like? It sounds like in World
War Two, when like Tokyo Rose would do coded messages.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe you just said Tokyo. Okay, Okay, I'm
almost doing you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Though. The Eagles is in the grocery store on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about because this is so
weird that you said that. Okay, Stephanie Stefano, Aaron sanch
she's a dirty Sanchez. Jennifer falls, get up, Sandrat. It's
not easy being green and Christa, you make me mi
a stroop. Okay, this is crazy. I was talking to
my sister and on the phone last night and she
was telling me that she was hearing music inside her condo,
but she'd go outside and then the music would stop.
But when she came inside and she was like, so
it turned out her next door neighbors were playing music
loud with they they share a wall, right, And she says,
I felt like I was, what's the woman that was
doing the messages and in World War two? To torture?
And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
And she's like, oh my god. She's like Rosie Rose something,
and I googled it and I go Tokyo Rose and
she's like, thank you. She was trying to think for
like five minutes. Finally I just googled, like.
Speaker 2: Isn't that funny how that happens though? Like you may
never heard have heard before, or phrase that you haven't
thought of in years, And then it pops up and
then shows up like five times in the next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's insane that I can't wait to tell her that.
You come out of the gate saying Tokyo Rose.
Speaker 2: World War two guns of blazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's insane. You know, Kayleen, you don't.
Speaker 2: Know this is a boomer reference. Right. During World War
two Young kalin As propaganda, the Japanese had a radio
personality named Tokyo Rose who would broadcast on airways that
are troops American troops could hear, and she would say
subversive things like Okay, g I or Joe whatever they
call you. You know, I know you're hungry, and you
would GMA, I'm doing like mixing up wars now. But
it was all just kind of mind fucking. And then
we did through Radio Free Europe our Armed Services of Forces.
We would broadcast and they were broadcast these phrases that
made no sense, but they were coded messages that would
say the apples are on sale on Tuesday and that
was supposed to me, and we're gonna land at Omah
Beach on Friday.
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of that.
Speaker 2: By the way, the amount of fucked up every which
I just gave like, that's not accurate. I think they
give you the idea.
Speaker 1: Yea, that gives you the idea. That's insane that you
just said, Dokyo. That doesn't fucking insane anyway. Mark, so
happy to have you here. Let's talk I Mark, it's
so funny. Didn't I send you that picture I found
of us?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: From the Nappy Convention? Yes, which is I think I
posted it in our face?
Speaker 2: Can you be clear about that that it's the Nasty Convention.
Speaker 1: Not the Nappy Convention, right, it's the national not.
Speaker 2: That we wouldn't attend both of those, whatever they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's well, my hair does get very kinky curly.
It's the National.
Speaker 2: National Association of Television and Abduction Executives.
Speaker 1: Yes, wait, wait, what's the A though, there is a National.
Speaker 2: Association of Television Production.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: It used to be where all syndicated shows were.
Speaker 1: Sold, right, Yes that I'm a big, big party. Yeah.
We used to go every year, my company we go
every year, and then.
Speaker 2: You were the gatekeeper.
Speaker 1: I was the gatekeeper. Yes, that's when I us started
working in show VIZ.
Speaker 2: I know, I was just I saw it happen.
Speaker 1: I know, I was like a fresh, young little chicken.
Speaker 2: You were the talk of the booth. Are you kidding?
Like people showed up to our booth because you were
at the reception of God.
Speaker 1: That is where I saw Jerry Seinfeld too, but I
met him later, but anyway, because I dated him. But anyway, uh,
but yes, you were due we were doing the Mark
Wahlberg talk show. I was, yeah, you were, and we
were the top of the town.
Speaker 2: You were handing out decks of cards. Oh yeah, that
were my face deck. And then there was a love
line deck, right, yeah, because Adam and Drew.
Speaker 1: Right, we did love Line. That's how we.
Speaker 2: Met, and that's how you guys met.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, were you there at the same time with Adam?
Oh my god, that's so crazy. Yes, you were, because
I was looking it up and your TV show was
ninety five, ninety six, ninety five. I met Adam in
ninety five. It was that the night I met him.
He goes, are you going on to that television convention
in Vegas next month? And I was like, yeah, I'll
be there. Yeah, but but that yeah, So anyway, that's crazy,
craz craziness lifetime ago. So you have two kids that
are grown, so grown and you were just talking about
before the MIC's heat it up. As they say in
the business, is what they say. Yeah, just ask me anything, Mark,
I'll tell you. And so so you were talking about
going to see the Grateful Dad at the Spear.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So my son had just retired from the Navy,
which is a long story that I'm not at liberty
to talk about. Okay, all right, but it is an
incredible story.
Speaker 1: That's nice anyway.
Speaker 2: And so while he's and they're in Norfolk, he and
his wife and they're gonna move to California. There's way
too much backstory. But before he has to do anything,
he wants to take a huge motorcycle trip. So he's
going to ride his motorcycle from Norfolk up through Michigan,
across the up down through Wisconsin and then parking in
Chicago for service, fly to Vegas to see the last
weekend of the Dead and Company at the Sphere and said,
do you want to go? Dad? And the truth is
when he called, I'm sitting on the couch going I don't.
I don't want to go to the backyard right now,
right but I think this is when I can't miss
so I'm going. I think Mark de Carlo. Do you
know Mark he's going, which adding that wrinkles that.
Speaker 1: This is so funny that you guys have been friends
all these years.
Speaker 2: It's nice and and have a a storied pass when
it comes to the Grateful Dead in Las Vegas and
mushrooms and mushrooms. Yeah, and so yeah, so that's gonna happen.
So it's gonna be Morgan. Uh, my dear friend's son
from the camping trip. I remember I told you about
the camping trip on that episode. So Graydon, my best
friend's son that they grew up like cousins. He's gonna
come and Mark cha Carlo is coming. And because I
have invited Mark ca Carlo, an unspecified number of strangers
may also show up because he tends to do that.
Speaker 1: Is he married?
Speaker 2: He's married.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's married, Okay.
Speaker 2: Very happy to a very very successful woman, Yanni Alvarez,
who is a big voiceover star really Spanish speaking world
and English speaking. She's right, really, that's great, wonderful person.
Speaker 1: That's great. Good for him.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's happening.
Speaker 1: So that's happening. And you mentioned shrooms.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't mention shrooms. He and the backstory is
that when I was in Vegas to see the Dead
in like two thousand, I don't even know, nineteen ninety eight,
I don't remember, it was a famous Dead show because
a storm came over and threatened the whole thing and
the band started playing the storm. It was really a
great thing. But that was with Mark, and he gave
me shrooms and I ate them, and Robbie was with me,
so I felt safe. But I tripped so hard that
he brought a camera and he videotaped me, and it's
been held over my head for twenty five years because
I was so.
Speaker 1: Gone, really like we like, what were you seeing? Were
you hallucinating?
Speaker 2: And like everything can and to me being as heady
as it happens, that's what happened. Yeah, apparently that's that's
my found.
Speaker 1: Micro Dosing stuff doesn't so does I macro doosed.
Speaker 2: You did like a gobbled a salad full of not
these cute little chocolate things the kids have today, but
actual mushrooms actually grown out of somebody's cowpie. Shit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And I sat there for an hour with my wife
going yeah, nothing, and then in three seconds I was
in the fetal position. Oh my god. And then she's
walking me around. And the thing about mushrooms is that
you remember everything later. It's not like I was a
fucked up. I don't even know what I said. And
I was saying, I just having epiphany after epiphany, and
I'm like, you know, the problem with people is that
we don't touch one another. So I'm walking through the
she's walking me like a dog because I can't still,
and I'm going out to everybody and I'm like petting them,
like good to see you. And then some people were
in my trip and some people were not. It was
like certain characters were cut out, and then every now
and then one of the characters would turn around and
go in this one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, they say though like you you
get kind of lovey dovey, or you get like you
want to touch people like you.
Speaker 2: That's the Molly E experience from what I'm told. I
don't I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, never done that.
Speaker 2: I did ecstasy once at a dead show before it
was Molly whatever that was, and I didn't do a
lot and it didn't really affect me, except at one
point Robbi's like, do you feel anything? You know, Robbie
sober so for her vicarious, it's like funded And she said,
do you feel anything? I said, nope, except a sudden
earth to hug that biker, which I then did you did?
Oh yeah, but that it's not a stretch for me anyway.
I don't really need he to have, Like it's hard
for me not to hug Kaitlin when I walk in
every day. But I sense that's bustling line at this
point in our relationship. But I do want to just
hold him.
Speaker 1: I know he's wow. So and but do you do
any of that microdosing now? No?
Speaker 2: No, So I did this this one experience at the
turn of the century, and I'm still trying to figure
it out. And it was amazing, Like it was once
the first forty five minutes of panic of what have
I done to myself? And why do my hands keep
disappearing every time I put him in my pockets, like
they I don't own them anymore? And why is the
mountain moving that stuff? It then got to be an
incredible journey where I could see, properly dosed now it
would open and expand the mind to get past the
fear and ego of things and really have some psychotherapeutic applications.
So the microdosing concept as it shared with me from
other people in my life. Out out my daughter who
told me about it, sorry Gold that she it really
made a difference to access feelings without guilt or pain
and to see yourself in a different way. So I
get that it wasn't like getting drunk or getting high.
It was like going on a journey where things were
revealed to you about yourself and others, and then when
you were sober the next day or several hours later,
you retain.
Speaker 1: That stuff interesting. So because I've I did like, well,
we talked to it. We recently talked about it on
a show like I did Shroom's way back in the
day probably yeah, in the nineties or something, I don't know,
and it it was okay, I mean we it was
hallucinating a little bit and loved everybody and then but
then it was sad the next minute, but then loved
everybody and happy, then sad the next It was really
roller coaster. And then recently I got chocolate the chocolate
bar things. My girlfriends and I went out and we
did like little like a like I don't know, like
a couple squares, you know, just like three squares or
maybe four, and then got the giggles. We got like
it felt like you were like hi, because I don't
like getting stone. I used to get stone when I
was a kid. I don't. Everybody talks about how, oh,
you know, you relax, and then I don't. I have anxiety.
I feel like the house is gonna burn down.
Speaker 2: That's an absolute truth with weed, is that depending on
the strain and this, that and the other. Although I kind
of laugh at that, Yeah, there's a there is a
possibility and a propensity towards anxiety as it's coming on,
before it settles in. And I have had in my
life where I remember when I was newly married, my
brother in law came over and we smoked a joint
and I'm hanging out in my house and a lot
was going on in my life. I didn't know what
was going to happen. And I remember having to lay
with my head in my wife's lap for an hour
while she stroked my forehead until I kind of shilled.
Speaker 1: And I'm love your wife. She sounds so comforting.
Speaker 2: Well she is comforting, and I guess what happens is
it's just a litany of my bad choices that she
has to com Maybe that's what marriage is basically, somebody
who will hold your head when you fucked up, right, right,
So a lot of that she's been there, and the
fact that she's forty years sober. So she's great when
when you do something like that and she's like, okay,
you know it's it's just the mushy, You're gonna be
all right, right, And she knows exactly what to say.
We're drinking, she's not as taller taller, Oh no, it's
just as ugly. Drinking is ugly. And when I get drunk,
which is rare, like every five years, and whenever I'm
hanging out with my son is when something battle happened.
And her greatest line to me, when I'm getting loud
and like going for it, she just leans over it says, honey,
not a good look for you. Oh I realized she's right.
Speaker 1: She's right, Yeah, that's true. So do you partake in
the THHC too? Yes, yes, quite regularly, quite regular a
lot of.
Speaker 2: People, but not in the recreational way. Like right, Like
I can't get over my friends who like are blunt
smokers and they're like the smoke. I'm like, dude, two hits, right,
are you hit? You're what are you trying to accomplish?
Speaker 1: I now you know, Well, those I think are people
that have been getting stoned since forever, since they were kids,
and now they're adults. I have a male adult friends
that are still we used to smoke pot in high
school and stuff, still getting stoned to this day. Same
But no, but smoking bong loads I got.
Speaker 2: So you know that's not my vibe. Yeah, my vibe
is I do. I mean I didn't realize I was
because you said out myself as the snoop dog of
game shows. Look, I don't like to drink. Yeah, and
I mean I'll drink socially, but it's not really a
high I enjoy. And you know, for me, at nine
o'clock at night or later, when they were kind of
wind down, I might go out in the backyard, the
dogs come out with me, and I'll have a hit
or two off a joint that'll last me.
Speaker 1: The rest of the days. Days yes, wow, days? Really?
So you can go to sleep and wake up high.
Speaker 2: No, what do you think I'm doing? Heroin? No, I
take a couple of hits, go to bed, at midnight
already not high. Yeah, And by the way, so that
you're clear getting high to go to sleep, you don't
sleep as well as if you're sobering go.
Speaker 1: Well, that's another thing too, Like you.
Speaker 2: Think you do, don't remember your dreams. You think you're out,
but you wake up. The truth is if you smoke weed,
you wake up a little more tired and groggy then
if you don't smoke weed. The problem for some and
why wheat is helpful for some, especially the gummy thing, yeah,
is to shut down the monkey mind enough for you
to fall asleep. It's not a problem for me. I
can fall asleep with or with that. I don't. It's
not that you know. Yeah, are you waiting at me?
Speaker 1: No, he wants me to take it.
Speaker 2: I thought you're like, don't say monkey mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Mark, you know it's summertime, right, I am aware.
If you want something refreshing and tropical.
Speaker 2: Stop right there, because I do.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, Well, we got the place for you. It's
called the Tropical Smoothie Cafe and they have an app
by the way, and they have really delicious smoothies, all
kinds of different mocktails for the summer. They have uh
the Island Punch Smoothie, which is peach, guava and fruit,
mango and pineapple. They also have Stephanie's favorite, the Watermelon Mohito,
which is watermelon, mint, strawberries and lime, yummy stuff. We've
had the Tropical Smoothies smoothies and we've also had their wraps.
They have assay bowls.
Speaker 2: Very So here's the thing for me, if every meal
was a smoothie, I would not be upset with that.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you say tropical smoothie cafe. All three of
those words in any order work for me.
Speaker 1: I agree, right, can't go wrong with it.
Speaker 2: I love a cafe. I love everything tropical, and everything
should be a smoothie.
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lot since talked about Tokyo ROSEHS, World War two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've covered you know.
Speaker 1: Hey, Okay, so one of the things I wanted to
talk to you about is you know, Stephanie and I
have eighteen year old while her daughter's a year older.
Our kids are going off to college. Oh minor eighteen
win talk.
Speaker 2: To me girl. Hey know I've sent two children away.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted.
Speaker 2: Yes, And now I'm in a different chapter. I'm a
little on the next chapter past you. Maybe two chapters
are they?
Speaker 1: Are your kids married.
Speaker 2: One's married, one's living with a dude that we love.
But no pressure. I mean you, guys, whatever you need
to do, love you, Tucker. Yeah, so we're there.
Speaker 1: So you're there.
Speaker 2: But seminal moment was my firstborn moving out for college.
Speaker 1: See now I have boy girl twins. So they're both
leaving at the end of summer.
Speaker 2: And are they going to the same place or different places?
Speaker 1: Different She's going to Santa Barbara, he's going to Oregon.
Speaker 2: Both were not not terrible. Mine went East Coast, Well,
my son went. My son went to a military college
in Virginia. Oh really, So he wasn't just going away.
He was going to a place where he couldn't come
home for the first year and we had very little
access to him. Like it wasn't like yeah, texting and
talking all day. And then my daughter went straight out
of high school to Washington, d c. On scholarship with
Washington School of Ballet. So she was now not only
away from us, but not in the college situation where
I got go, oh, she's got a meal plan, she's good.
She was in an apartment with two other girls in
Georgetown having an offend for herself. And so I remember
calling my mother after I moved my daughter in and saying,
I'm just calling to apologize forever leaving you, like, how
could I have done this to you? Yeah, because the pain.
Speaker 1: Was it's all it's painful just thinking about it.
Speaker 2: But but you know what the thing is about parenting, Yes,
I mean several things. Was one of the things, if
we do it right, we raised them to do this.
We raised them to leave, not to stay. Yeah, And
that's the thing that made me want to call my mom.
Is that, Oh my god, the selflessness of raising your
children to feel strong enough for them to fly out
of the nest, even though them flying out of the
nest rips your soul apart. Yeah, and you know, but.
Speaker 1: It is I mean, of course you're right like it
it's you know, we raise them to this is what
all the eighteen years of hard work was for. I
mean most you know, a lot of it. But the
thing that I so, how what's the different in age?
Speaker 2: There are three years apart.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you had one and then you still had
one at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So my son was a senior in high school
when my daughter was a freshman, right, and we had
one at home and went gone, and then in short
time they were both gone.
Speaker 1: They were both gone. Yeah, And so the other thing
that I'm struggling.
Speaker 2: Well is that and they didn't come back.
Speaker 1: And they that Okay, all right, Well, this is what
I wanted to ask you, because you know, I'm newly
divorced and I'm living They live with me full time
pretty much, and I love I love my new life.
I love the house that we moved into. It's on
But now they're going to be We just moved into
this house like a couple of months ago, and now
at the end of summer, they're going to be gone.
And I'm gonna be sitting at my house gone.
Speaker 2: Are you in the crickets man?
Speaker 1: Yes? And my dog fell just just you know.
Speaker 2: I went through, uh a dark month or two when Morgan,
my oldest left, Goldie was still there. But uh, you
know the thought of either child, but him being first,
like him going and when he went his first semester,
when you're at this military college, you can't communicate it.
It's like you're really gone. Yeah, I bet I went
through a lot of like what am Who am I now?
If I'm not the guy who goes to this baseball game,
if I'm not the guy who you know is daily
counsel and you know what I mean, Well, who the
fuck am I now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And so that emptiness was a little difficult at first.
Speaker 1: That's got to be hard to not really have any contact.
Speaker 2: So I then turned all my focus to smothering my daughter.
You love that, I mean, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm now at a place so I'm looking back at
my parenting and especially having watched the Olympics, I'm looking
back at how I was as a coach to the
kids and what I thought was important then that is
not important to me now. And so I'm racked often
with self doubt of how I handle the parenting journey.
But given if I'm gonna love myself a little bit,
given the inexact science of it, I think there are
more wins than losses there And what I always say
to all of my parent friends who are going through
this stuff is that the pain of them leaving is
the joy of them succeeding. And and the only thing
from this point forward that matters, as the chapters start
to unfold in front of you, and I've had some chapters,
is if you're talking, you're okay. If there's communication between
you and your kids, then you're good. Even if the
communication isn't agreement. Yeah, but silence is the silence and distance,
emotional distance is the red flag. And any talk, even
if it's I hate you, mom, is possibility and connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, let's just sob together.
Speaker 2: I know, hold us.
Speaker 1: Calen. You think because your kids are so little right
now that you got all the time in the world
goes by really fast.
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing that shows up is that when
your kids are little, teenage, it's a little bit less.
But we now have a purpose and it allows us
not to look at our own shit because we're busy
and it's about their shit. And quite frankly, us layering
our childhood and teenage losses on their avenging for us
vicariously through their life. If they're successful, that's me successful
and all that stuff, and then in one fell sloop
like kiss some goodbye and move them in the dorm
with the with the twin size sheet, and then all
of a sudden you're left with who am I right?
And oh I have atrophied my self care.
Speaker 1: Yeah is what it was for me.
Speaker 2: Now I'm the quiet. It was like, now I got
to sit with me. Yeah, and that was a lot.
Speaker 1: That's that's a lot. I don't know if I'm that
deep of a thinker like.
Speaker 2: You I am.
Speaker 1: For me, you do, I feel like you. But that's
what successful people do, though, I think a little bit.
Speaker 2: There's both. It's both success and demid. I call it
the rainbow circle you get on your mac. That's my brain. Yeah, yeah,
but it's not that deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I guess I haven't
had time to really think about my like you said,
time to think about myself. I guess. Yeah. But I do,
like like I'm doing things like you know, I want to.
We're having you know, weekly Sunday dinners, the three of us,
you know, and I'm just trying to have you know,
even just for them to bond too.
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, I love that idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, I'm trying to spend as
much time, like if they need me, I'm sure I'll
go with you to the mall or whatever. I'll do
whatever you want, like doing stuff with them, and you know,
hanging out with them. The girl is more easier to
hang out with right now than the My boy has
been kind of you know, would hang out with me
a lot and stuff, but now he only comes out
of his room if he wants me to watch the
UFC fight with fights with him, you know.
Speaker 2: There, But I spoke to chapters, Yeah, that unfold, and
none of them were things I predicted, and some of
them were so out of character for who I thought
they were and I was, and they present And again
here's me going way deep. The way I now can
look back, and even in the moment, was able to
process is that everything's temporary. Relationships are fluid. Acceptance of
what is is greater than forcing it to be what
it was or what it should be. And so, like
I said, the UFC locking his room and coming out
for meals and stuff like that, if there's still communication,
there's a relationship. Yeah, I literally recently my wife and
my wife was providing counsel to somebody, and because I
lived there, it rings true for other council I've given
others where their adult children found somebody there into that
was poarly opposite to what you thought was right for them.
I believed this myself and my counsel to them, which
was easy for me to say. Then when I had
to take it for myself was not so easy. Is
the best and only way for this to run its
course is for you to accept it fully? Is the
only way is to say I love you, and if
this is where you're at, I'm where you're at.
Speaker 1: Because anything even if you don't agree with.
Speaker 2: Especially when you don't agree, because the nature of the
disagreement is when I tell you, without being asked, this
guy's wrong for you, or that job is wrong for you,
then your ego, your child's ego, not yours, but their
child's ego forces them with no doubt but to say
I'm staying despite what I And while it would be
great and healthy for your kids to go, wow, Mom,
thank you. Your advice is always great, I'm going to
follow it. Two things. One is you don't want them
to change their course of action because you dictated it,
and therefore they're appeasing you, and then they resent you
for the rest of your life. And the only way
to eliminate that resistance is acceptance. Yeah, I love you
no matter what. You're gonna make some fucked up choices.
If you ask me my advice, If you come to
me and ask me, that's what I've That's the shift
for me is that when they were in high school,
I offered advice. I guided them, whether they listened or not,
and at some point I got yeah, I'm now an
advisory board. If you want my advice, you're gonna have
to ask me. If you have trouble with each other,
you're gonna have to work it out. If you want
me inserted, you're gonna have to ask me or beg
me to be there, because unsolicited advice is not heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that makes a lot of sense. That's I
love that. That's great advice.
Speaker 2: It sucks because the journey through that takes longer than
you think. So, you got a kid, they're in a
situation that you know is bad for them. You're watching
what you think is important crumble around them. When you
then later learn that what you thought was important wasn't
important either, But nonetheless you're watching demise, right, what you
think is demise. And then you're having to prescribe to
a philosophy which is allow it to happen, allow it
to happen, allow it to run its course. Right, And
that is really uncomfortable and makes you feel helpless.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's ud. That makes a lot of sense. It's
really gonna be hard, I think, especially I you know,
sometimes I see them doing things and like I want
to tell them, this is not the way to do it.
This is this is gonna be the ramifications.
Speaker 2: I literally said to my kids a one time, if
you just do what I tell you, your life will
be far less painful. Right, And then I said, why
would I rob them of the experience of the pain
of life, heartbreak, disappointment, betrayal, all these things that made
us texture incredible? You look at us, Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, it all makes it's common sense, but it's
just so hard. It doesn't It doesn't right when you're
a parent, it doesn't occur to you your instinct. This
could go the other way.
Speaker 2: From the bullet, Yes, yes, yes, it's true that your
own gun.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, now it's a great time to talk about therapy.
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Speaker 1: But yes, our kids like it's just you know, I mean,
I think about you know. I have to say, like,
my daughter had a boyfriend a lot throughout her high
school years. I freaking love this kid. Nice nice Jewish boy,
so sweet to my daughter, so nice, raise the bar
pretty high for her. They had to break up because
he's going to his college. She's going to hurt because
it's a high school boy, right and it's a high
school boyfriend. Yeah the rehearsals, yes, yes, so they worry
like it's I you know, I just hope she she's
never had, like she doesn't go for like the bad boys.
You know, she likes she wants to marry a guy
like Phil Dunfi on modern families.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people don't. But can I put
your mind at ease or actually make you more worried?
Speaker 1: Oh? Great, Okay.
Speaker 2: It's imperative that she gets the chance to fuck up. Yeah,
it's imperative to stretch it out in these years to
then get what she wants.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yes.
Speaker 2: And while I have seen people who have met their
love in high school or younger and that's been their
life and perfect and I love that. And it's an
argument for pre arranged marriage acts. But that I don't popular.
I don't make popular. But if you've experienced nothing else,
then this is the greatest thing ever and you grow
to love. But the point is we want Our instinct
is to protect our children from pain, yep. But that's
not protection, that's sheltering. Where we're better used, possibly is
to be the sounding board of everything's okay when things
crash and burn, for them to reassure them that you're
not the first person to go through this and and
this will not kill you and now what yes right?
Not the not don't go there, right because then they
run there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, you're right, they ask you.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It sucks, It does suck.
Speaker 2: It's not This is like this conversation for you young adults.
It's like birth control, like why would I have them?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: But greatest joy? Ye fear, greatest joy? Yes, yeah, greatest sorrow,
greatest joy.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, you're lucky that you have a good you know,
uh partner in life with Robbie like k well him too.
Tell us about your podcast, by the way.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that old thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's abolution.
Speaker 2: You know you said it that. Here we are having
just idle chat and it gets like deep, yes, that's
kind of sadly. Why why would I you know, I
did a whole thing about self talk. It's kind of
who I am? I guess, well, yes, I thought it
was just a comic like a joker.
Speaker 1: No, oh, I watch you on those Bonfire Talks is
the name of the podcast. But I watch you on
the Bonfire Sessions on Temptation Island, which I'm sure I
know a lot of our audience does has seen you
are so good you're like a therapist for these com.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's not true. So here's but thank you.
So here's the thing. First of all, I never wanted
to call the podcast Bonfire Talks with Mark Wahlberg. Kaylink.
He says, you're just leaning into what is which, by
the way, I hate that he can hear me say this. Yeah,
but he has a very pragmatic, non dramatic way to
approach things that makes things very clear, right, and I
need that because I overthink, as you can hear it.
So I guess what the podcast for me is not
me being your therapist, which I'm not qualified to do,
but maybe letting you into what I'm grappling with, which
you know, if people think I come up something wise
or you know, good advice, or these nuggets that people
say I come up with, they come from somewhere, and
it's not from me sitting on a throne saying I
know these things. It's from me trying to ask the
questions of why am I uncomfortable? Why am I why
is I'm feeling, I'm having feelings, and I'm not successful
here and I have cringe moments here, and so the
conversation of why, why why is not a question everybody asks,
And so I thought maybe the podcast might be a
place where I could just take life as it comes
and joke around with it, but then maybe let you
in on the process of how I come up with
my philosophy on stuff. Is like, it's really comes from
I'm feeling pain. How do I process why and how
and help tell and showing that to others hopefully they hear. Wait,
that's kind of me too. It's all a fucking mess,
and he's a mess too well.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because I would find it. So who
are you talking to? You have guests, sometimes you have guess.
Speaker 2: I have no idea who the truth is. I've had
guests and I will have guests again, and I've been
grateful to have guests. I love that, and you're welcome
and love to have you right now, right just like
what's happening now. But I made a I made a
commitment just a couple of weeks ago that I was
going to take a moment to kind of get my
feet really down on this podcast, and I was gonna
just let it be me and Kaylin to bounce off
of for a little while. And here's why, back to
not having answers but looking for answers. This podcast represents
for me a blind spot in my quiver of arrows,
my toolbox. That okay, And the blind spot is the
constant conversation I have that what I have to say
doesn't matter, that I essentially don't matter, that my thoughts, existence, accomplishments, hopes,
and dreams are either insignificant or less significant than those
I compare myself to. So the cringe for me to
show up and do the podcast without a guest is
that I'm exposing myself by saying, here's something I think matters,
and immediately I feel like and it doesn't because I don't.
So having to sit here and talk about what comes
up with my mind and go to the cringe place,
like Camelin said the other day, if you're cringing it's
a good episode, is really an exercise for me to say, Hey,
regardless of what you think, both of you avid listeners,
what I think matters to me. What I'm doing on
this episode is me saying to myself against every cell
in my body, I have to say I matter, right,
and I know I matter to others.
Speaker 1: Yes, you do.
Speaker 2: I show up for my family. I show up. I'll
show up intimately to a stranger on the street if
they need me. But do I show up to myself
in the same commitment And the answer is no, I don't.
And so even when people I think about my whole career.
When I would show up to be the warm up
guy for a TV show, and for those of you
who don't know what that is, come into a taping
of a TV show, it's relatively boring. They hire a
comedian to entertain the studio audience in the breaks. I
would show up and they say, are you the comedian
like the producers. I go, no, no, no, no, I'm just
the warm up guy. I didn't want them to think
I was a comedian, but in fact and in title
and in action, I was being that. But I say,
I'm not as good as them. Yes, So it's a
recurring theme for me. It is of I'm happy to
celebrate your success, but I mean nothing. I'm a blank.
Speaker 1: Well do you feel yeah, do you feel that you
are making a difference in your own mind by doing
by doing these podcasts, do you feel have you noticed
the change?
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's a little bit. Yeah, I cringe more.
Speaker 1: But that's not getting easier.
Speaker 2: No, No, I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think here's what's getting easier for me is processing
the self judgment. That's getting easier. And when I get comments,
which are not a lot yet, but when I get them,
it warms my I get them on Instagram a lot.
I get an enormous amount of joy when someone says
what you said connected from me, and that that I'm
also grappling with. Is the joy my happiness for you
or my ego saying oh, I'm sure fucking s so
this is and two things can be true at the
same time. So the experience I look from a philosophical standpoint,
I come to believe that everything that's happening in your
world is somehow generated by you, or at least those
things that seem random are happening for you if you
choose that to be. And so maybe the what I
think is a professional reason to do a podcast because
that's what the kids are doing, may not be that
at all. It may be about a bigger thing as
far as my personal growth, and so what's scary for
me is to expose myself intimately in this way. But
maybe that's what it's supposed to be for me to
be the next version of me, right, and I'm constantly
trying to be the next version of me.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I think that's a great I mean, you
can't do anything better for yourself than you know, really
like forcing yourself to do something out of your comfort
zone that you don't want to do. I mean, that's
here's the thing on that that I think takes self.
Speaker 2: When we stop asking questions about why, yeah, why am
I this? Why is the world this? Why is this?
We become that guy we witnessed on the couch that
we thought was what maturity looked like. Ahh, who has
got it all figured out? And this is just what is?
And by the way, the world is fraught with that.
I know what is can't change my mind. And for me,
I've always this has always been weird to me, is
how can I or anybody walk down the same road
as somebody else in your high school, your neighborhood, the
whole thing, and have two entirely different experiences. And to me,
the difference is some people just are what's the word
our discontent with status quo and keep asking why how? Why?
But why? But why? And others go, I know enough,
I'm an asker. I'm not content. I am constantly looking
at my own behavior with judgment on unhealthy judgment and
asking why why do I feel this? Why is this happening?
How can I blah? Yeah? And I guess That's what
the life's journey for me is is a puzzle.
Speaker 1: Have you always been like this?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess really, I think so. I
think yeah. I mean, you know what I was born
out of I always talked about it is born out
of this thing that they love to call as being
an EmPATH. I think that what happened is my childhood.
I was scared a lot, and by the way I
look back on it and say, self, impost fear. But
I was highly sensitive. So I was aware, whether it
was spoken or not, that we have financial issues. I
was aware, whether spoken or not, that I was Jewish
in a world that didn't understand that. In the Deep South,
I was aware that there were big athletic guys and
I was a smaller dude, right, So I was aware
of all the emotions around me. So I I grew
this keen sense of listening, yes, out of so we've
talked about this out of survival and protection and what
that has what is manifest for me is a constant
sensitivity towards others and how the relationship that I feel
the connection between everyone much deeper. So what I'm trying
to grapple with these days is how can I acknowledge
what I feel but bucket that into a healthy interpretation.
Not they're judging me, I'm judging them. I'm feeling it.
That's real. And what and how do I behave in
a a self aware way that's living to others and
loving to me. I've got the loving to others part.
Speaker 1: Figured out, Yeah, you do, definitely.
Speaker 2: Do the loving to me part. All of us is
the same. As to further the analogy and metaphor, it's
the same transition you're going to go through, is that
you know how to be loving and busy for you
your children, But if they're not there, what do you
do now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, full circle to you to me? Wow, I
mean this is a really great interesting advice. And by
the way, if you want to hear more of all
of this great talk. You can listen to that magnanimous.
Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg, Wow, okay.
Speaker 1: On bonfire talks.
Speaker 2: Well you are, thank you you are and thanks you know,
Like my goal was to be funnier. But I don't
know that we're funny all the time. I think it
would get some jokes Kalen every now and then out
there a couple of times. You laugh at me a
lot what we're saying, But the absurdity of the struggle
is often funny to you. And I really need that,
I really, I really need that.
Speaker 1: So, but you bring a lot of like uh like,
because you are such an EmPATH, I feel like you
bring a lot of levity you talk about this stuff.
But you also, you know, you have a very di.
Speaker 2: There's a Jewish thing, culturally, not religiously, that the Jewish
sense of humor is born out of we leugh to
heap from crying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that's specifically Jewish. I think it's
very Catholic as well. But I think there's a looking
for how to twist the phrase into a funny way
to point out the absurdity of the pain of life. Right,
It's kind of interesting to me.
Speaker 1: Well, I you know, I always wanted to marry a
nice Jewish boy, and my dad wanted me to marry
Jewish boy, nice Jewish boy, and he taught me a
lot about the Jewish culture. And I've heard I've heard
that saying from him. He's like a Hollywood guy too,
my dad. But well, I mean, Mark, this has just
been really I love it. I've had it. I had
a great time.
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry that Stephanie's sick.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry she's set sick too.
Speaker 2: But what I wouldn't be upset if it was a
prolonged illness back, I mean, I want her to be well.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, come back anytime. You're always welcome, same saying, yeah,
thank you.
Speaker 2: And thanks for sharing this episode with me.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing it with me. And Bonfire Talks
drops every Wednesday. Wednesday?
Speaker 2: Is that right? Yes, Wednesdays, which by the way, means
that I wake up every morning on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Excited, cringing, cringing. Yes, yeah, Well what did I do?
Speaker 2: Because we record? He had it to posts. I don't
listen until it's can't be taken back, and now it's
out there. And but lately. On these few episodes we've
done recently, which is just you and me, I've listened
to them and found I actually found myself smiling while listening,
as though I'm not listening to me, and I was like, Okay,
that feels like growth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely that is well.
Speaker 2: We did a very fun episode I think it's two
weeks ago about how Mark has throughout his career gotten
confused with the actor Mark Wahlberg. Oh, that's an every
days We talked about that. But we but again to
Kitlin's benefit, to you know why he's a genius. I'm
sitting here in the Wives, but it makes me feel
but I want to try and blah and every time
it's a cringe. And he said, what about you need
to say with this many words? He says, it's just funny.
I'm just laugh And so that was the homework and
so now I'm trying to have every episode, I'm trying
to have a takeaway that, Okay, what's my practice going
to be now for the week, and you can join
me or not. But the practice that week was every
time there's a confusion, every time somebody sends me a
DM with a picture then with their shirt off, saying, look,
working out every time somebody asked me how my hamburgers are.
Every time in the street somebody goes, oh, you're not
that Mark Wahlberg. You're not the real Mark Wahlberg. Every
one of those. Now I get to just laugh out loud.
And I've been doing that, and I've been also not
correcting them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let him just just let him have it, right.
Speaker 2: I would do that. It's not my problem anymore. Yeah,
And I gotta tell you, Kaylin, it's effort, but it's
much better than pretending to be okay with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the you know. I guess I would
do the same thing. I would just let it. Let
them think that I'm Gino Lola Bridgillia or whoever.
Speaker 2: I don't know you were you are, You're the Geno
Lola Brigida of the Valley.
Speaker 1: The Valley, the Valley Girl.
Speaker 2: It literally has been thirty years of me trying to deny,
like trying to be the good This is exactly it,
trying to be the good guy. Oh no, it doesn't
bother me. This his heart. Yeah, yeah, No, I'm not
the I'm not the real one. I'm the famous one.
Speaker 1: I bet that he gets, question.
Speaker 2: It, stop it.
Speaker 1: It would be kind of funny though, right, sure you
mark from from ten Jesi Island and Antique Road, Joe.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it takes up as much manwidth in his
world as it doesn't. Mine is like eighty percent, Like
my hard drive is full a feeling about that, and
he's like, yeah, oh I heard there was a guy.
Speaker 4: Well anyway, so so yeah at Bonfire podcast, at Bonfire
Talks podcast, uh, please come and subscribe and like and
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Speaker 2: Yeah, although it may hurt my feelings.
Speaker 1: Well you should.
Speaker 2: That's why I love listening to you and Stephanie is
that you talk about that. But Stephanie's just a tough
she's wonderful broad. Yeah, and I say that with all right,
and I love to hear both of you process like
you don't hold on to.
Speaker 1: That, Oh you know the haters and stuff. Well, I
mean I think I'm getting I's I'm used to it
because you know, I was married to somebody for years
and I was the wife and bagging why they actually
whatever what you know, getting blamed for shit and it's
like they have no idea what they're talking about they're
just so out out they don't know what they're talking.
Speaker 2: What I should say is what really comes up for
me is whatever your negative comment is is not nearly
as negative as what I'm saying to myself. The fun off.
You can't even register at my level. Yes, I say it.
On the basketball court, was always saying you can't play,
you suck. I'm like, dude, you have no idea. I
can't even hear you right now. My level of how
I feel about how I second basketball is so deep,
much deeper than this bullshit you're bringing.
Speaker 1: So game right right, Well, I think you're wonderful, Mark,
Thank you. I just I could talk to you.
Speaker 2: Forever and I feel the same.
Speaker 1: Just come back anytime.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I know how to get a hold of you. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just sitting by the phone waiting for a focus.
Just thrilled to be part of the aw of col world.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I got to do some shout outs that
Stephanie usually does. Uh, if you're running a small to
medium sized restaurant and feeling overwhelmed by accounting an HR task, well,
Jennifer Posner, a longtime member of the f c o
L community, says take the stress out of your finances.
In HR visit j D Posner P O, S N
E R Business Solutions dot com. There is no S
on the end. It's just J Posner Business Solutions ad
J Did I say what did I say.
Speaker 2: The first time? You said? JD Poser dot com?
Speaker 1: Sorry? Yes, thank you? She very tuned in Jdpostner Business
Solution dot Com. There's no S at the end of solution,
is what she's saying. Yes, we also have let's see
uh Carrie Kibb, Carrie Keebler, she's uh just k Nate
dot com. It's the guy that does the hug or handshake,
guy who gives money to the unhoused. I've seen his videos.
They're really they're really cute. He just gives hugs and
handshakes and they're really sweet. So you can check him
out at just Knate dot com and it's It's knate
dot com is where you find him. We'll do another one.
Let's talk about The Family Skeptical. The Family Skeptical is
a podcast about raising children with religion. So if you're
not of any a non believer of any kind, or
not from any stripe, you're welcome. You You are with that,
they have one episode every three weeks and it shouldn't
really cut into our people's fc OL time. One episode
every three reefs. It's called The Families. Yeah, the Family
Skeptical Podcast. And wow, we have a lot. Okay, let's
do let's do a couple more Kelly from Wilmanfreedo. So,
if you're out in the Palm Desert Palm Springs area
for brunch, you can go into Wilmanfrieda. They we love them.
Their food is delicious. We've been there. And if you
say that you're there for uh, for crying out loud,
they'll give you either a free mimosa or a free latte. Yeah,
and let's also talk about our girl, Basic Becky just
basic beecky dot com. She's the girl that does all
of our t shirts. If you want have anything you
want on a T shirt, mug, mousepad, anything you want,
she she's she's your girl at just basic beecky dot com.
And then we also have Adam Lerner. So if you're
looking for a car and you need a car broker,
he's your guy. You can call him with questions anytime
you want. It's Adam Lerner at three one oh nine
nine eight seven zero four eight or Adam's Got a
Car dot com he's your car broker. And then Ferncandles
dot com. She our girl, Kelsey runs this business. She
sent us these candles that are they smell so good
and they're they they're made by soy, so it lasts longer.
Speaker 2: You made by soya gets together and makes a candle different.
Speaker 1: Stuf so else. Yes, yes, so she's got you know,
all different smells and they have great gift They make
great gifts. So you can go check her out on
Insta at Fern Candle is where you can find her.
And then my friend Mike Gristine and they nice Jewish boy.
He's out in Arizona and Phoenix, Arizona. If you need
a plumber or you have any plumbing questions, you can
call him. He can talk you through it over the phone.
You can go and find him at plumbing at Phoenix
Plumbing Solutions dot com and all his information is right there. Okay,
that's it for today. All right, all right, Mark, thank
you so so much.
Speaker 2: I say thank you, I we love you. I love
you too, and we're gonna repurpose this on my podcast. Yes,
so thank you all of Mike both to bite people
for listening. And we'll see you next week and anytime
you need me.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, we will definitely anytime you want to come.
Thank you, Caylen. Caylen, you're a parent now
Speaker 2: Mating