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<v Speaker 1>It's the Opperman Report and now here is investigator at Opperman.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, private

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<v Speaker 2>guest today Michael Parsilli, Mike Parsilli, Mjvictims dot com. I

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<v Speaker 2>met Mike about probably about thirteen years ago, twelve or

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen years ago, man, and he has been on at

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<v Speaker 2>least a couple of times a year since. Incredible content.

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<v Speaker 2>Always the guys we go to expert on Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>and all these kind of cases, an advocate for children

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<v Speaker 2>and survivors and stuff to it. Just pours his heart

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<v Speaker 2>out into his work and a great guest and a

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<v Speaker 2>great friend. Michael PARSIALI are you.

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<v Speaker 1>There, Hied, Yes, I am hey.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to have you back, man. Sure. Remind the audience,

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<v Speaker 2>remind who is Michael Parzilli.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, long, long time ago, Well, you know, right during

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<v Speaker 1>the prehistoric ages. I started a web page at Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>page gold Wade Robson Supporters, because Wade Rosson has come

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<v Speaker 1>forward it made some claims about abuse and he was

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<v Speaker 1>just getting lambasted by everybody and no one believed them.

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<v Speaker 1>And that story resonated with me because I am also

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<v Speaker 1>a CSA survivor, and I said, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do something that's going to support these accusers

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<v Speaker 1>before they get their day and try or if they

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<v Speaker 1>ever do and I started that page and then it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of Boston up to different social media networks, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing it ever since, and it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>very strange ride, to say the least.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, I was just thinking, you seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be like a lone ranger. You're out there fighting a

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<v Speaker 2>good fight. Are Do you have any allies out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Then when you're because the Michael Jackson side of things,

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<v Speaker 2>the brainwashed devoted fans are so organized. Yeah, they're so

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<v Speaker 2>organized that they love each other. They're just so coordinated.

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<v Speaker 2>What about Mike Parsy, Andy, do you have an army

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<v Speaker 2>behind you? I don't think you can promote or recommend.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Well, there's a couple of things. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a new channel out there. I highly recommend. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called Surviving Michael Jackson. It's also on YouTube, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>brand new and there's content I'm sure that people would

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<v Speaker 1>really like to see. The other person is a woman

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<v Speaker 1>by the name she goes by Roxanne Roxanne, and she

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<v Speaker 1>actually just did a protest up in Canada when the

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<v Speaker 1>movie came out. She was outside one of the theaters

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<v Speaker 1>and doing parts. But she also has a great deal

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<v Speaker 1>of content she's been around I want to say, five

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<v Speaker 1>or six years somewhere around there. And then if you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the reddit is a Leaving Neverland reddit that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't run, but I highly recommend. They've used some

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<v Speaker 1>of my work and they've also post all the time

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<v Speaker 1>and so people can get like the latest in a

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<v Speaker 1>written form with them as well and et cetera. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are definitely more more than you know when I

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<v Speaker 1>first started. So at least there's some other people coming

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<v Speaker 1>forward and trying to support these individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>You hook me up at that fellow Z who was

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<v Speaker 2>in the air. He had really some good information.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Z is still. He's usually will show up on

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<v Speaker 1>he has his own little channel, but he also shows

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<v Speaker 1>up on Roxanne Roxanne a lot of times. He'll be

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<v Speaker 1>situation going on. So he's another one. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>one that is kind of unique. His Matt's m A

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<v Speaker 1>T t FTR. Now, he was in originally the Leaving

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<v Speaker 1>Neverland film Bashing Bashing Wade Robson, but he since has

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<v Speaker 1>had a you know, a sort of you know, come

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<v Speaker 1>to Jesus moment where he realized, wait a second, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just what was I thinking, And he's now supports

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<v Speaker 1>the victims, so a total turnaround, which is kind of unique.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are definitely people out there that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>are supporting the the the ec users of Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>So so, Micha, let me ask you a question. We

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<v Speaker 2>we laugh about the supporters of Michael Jackson fans. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you make of them? Are they gullible or do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that they're evil? That they know and they

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<v Speaker 2>they what do you make of it? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>What I can tell is a lot of them are

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<v Speaker 1>just disenfranchised people that have found a community. And that

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<v Speaker 1>from people who got out of that community and went

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<v Speaker 1>back into whatever the story is is there. It's run

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<v Speaker 1>very cultish that you if you say the wrong thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you will get you know, sort of all of them

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<v Speaker 1>will jump on you, and you better, you know, denounce

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<v Speaker 1>what you just said, because you'll be shunned by the community.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're very very like that, and I think they

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<v Speaker 1>they because a lot of their their belief system not

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<v Speaker 1>even really idea. He's more of a belief system of

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<v Speaker 1>what Michael Jackson, the good things that Michael Jackson was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to promote, you know, about taking care of the

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<v Speaker 1>planet and you know, making sure that you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have you know, starving children and the things that

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was putting out there they really believed in.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem was they don't realize he was doing that

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<v Speaker 1>as a smoke screen for his crimes. So and then

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<v Speaker 1>the other part of people that there's a huge r

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<v Speaker 1>there's a public relations bought farm campaign. I am sure

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<v Speaker 1>that it's out there because they use a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the same talking points and it's like, I look at

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<v Speaker 1>these accounts that just pop up after like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they've only been around like three weeks, simball saying the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. So there's no doubt that they have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a public relations team because a lot of people realize

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of public relations is social media. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that was not the case, but now you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>So if they want to resurrect Michael Jackson, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to also use social media to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they got there. It started really around the

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<v Speaker 2>time of who was that guy of Johnny Depp when

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<v Speaker 2>he had his lawsuit and who was that guy Andrew Tate?

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<v Speaker 2>They both Yeah, they had it down to a science

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<v Speaker 2>with those tiktoks and those reels and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So, and then we were just talking off

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<v Speaker 2>there about how with this thing came out about how

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying now that Michael Jackson was saving children from

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein's Island. He was, but I think also too, he

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<v Speaker 2>was saving children from drugs, and he was taking all

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when we get further in there is allegations about

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<v Speaker 1>drugs that is no, he wasn't the only one taking them.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll put it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, what's his name? When I had Vince and

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<v Speaker 2>FM men on the show, he was talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>he got those Casher kids addicted to drugs and.

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<v Speaker 1>All of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't hear that, you know, you don't hear

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<v Speaker 2>people talking about that. And you want if you got

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<v Speaker 2>a young kid on those freaking opiates, man, they it's

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<v Speaker 2>never the same. You're just never the same. And even

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<v Speaker 2>if you kick it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I agree with you, Ed, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, that's a that's part of the destruction.

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<v Speaker 1>They just think it's you know, the use is one

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<v Speaker 1>part but you're right, that's also part of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the total destruction of the of these children.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get into your stuff. You send me some notes,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I know, you always gotta focus and

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<v Speaker 2>you as you your thing. That's why it's always said

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<v Speaker 2>good because you're prepared. You know you're prepared, unlike me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading your notes for the first time now. But

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing you wanted to talk about was this

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<v Speaker 2>this called a biopic. Oh biopic. Okay, I'm making a

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<v Speaker 2>joke like I don't know how to read because this

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<v Speaker 2>person I'm reading it. But so the bio pick, the

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<v Speaker 2>movie that just came out to Michael Jackson movie, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you make of that?

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<v Speaker 1>It's if you want to see it's literally if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to listen to a greatest Hits type album and

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<v Speaker 1>a visual type atmosphere. That's essentially what it was. And

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<v Speaker 1>the peoplen't realize there's so much backstory to that biopick.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reality is is that that biopick originally because

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<v Speaker 1>they knew they were going to get backlash, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have Antoine Fuqua and you have Lions Kate backing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have all these somewhat notable actors that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be starring in it that how do you

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<v Speaker 1>really glorify somebody who has all these allegations against them.

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<v Speaker 1>So originally they were going to address these allegations, and

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<v Speaker 1>the opening scene, if I am correct on this, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I am was supposed to be Attorney John Branca,

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<v Speaker 1>who is now the head of the estate. He was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be featured by one of the only real

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<v Speaker 1>known actors, Miles Teller, to come up and show how

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<v Speaker 1>you were saving Michael Jackson from these puffle allegations and

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<v Speaker 1>what they were trying to do to protect him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to get a central role in that.

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<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately the estate and I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 1>was planned, but the estate somehow I had amnesia and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize they weren't supposed to portray Jordan Chandler in

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<v Speaker 1>any type of film or documentary or anything. That was

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<v Speaker 1>part of the agreement. They were both supposed to stay silent.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Chandler has done that, but they said, oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>now we have to scrap the whole all that part

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie. My firstonal opinion is is I think

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<v Speaker 1>that it was John Bronco was really it was better

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<v Speaker 1>to ask for forgiveness that maybe they can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>get that through and if they didn't, then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they can always just cut that part out. Now becomes

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest Hits movie and everyone's going to be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>And it looks like they were trying to tell part

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<v Speaker 1>of the story but all they got shut down. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I personally believe, because that's that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Brilliant, if that's if that's correct, that that would be

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<v Speaker 2>a brilliant strategy. You know, well, we want, we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it, but we couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we couldn't. Oh I'm sorry, and it's you know it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that part of the movie was taken out.

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<v Speaker 1>They're now saying, well, you know, if Michael Jackson movie

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<v Speaker 1>does good enough, does good enough, we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a part two that's going to resurrect a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the other parts that we weren't supposed to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is is they barely pulled off what

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<v Speaker 1>the the aesthetic of Michael Jackson. So when you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>to part two, you're now going to have to deal

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<v Speaker 1>and they look really bizarre, and that's gonna be hard

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<v Speaker 2>So what about the drugs that they're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the drugs? It was a huge part of

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, they they Well, that's a guess. And the

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<v Speaker 1>part too, you would have to and that's family intervened

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<v Speaker 1>at the very end of his life, So you would

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<v Speaker 1>think that that would definitely be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure they'll also have to somehow come up

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<v Speaker 1>with I know exactly what they're going to say. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson had an accident on the Pepsi commercial fact

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<v Speaker 1>got him addicted to opiates, and and poor Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>was suffering all these years with its excruciating pain, which

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that people who have been burnt have

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<v Speaker 1>but then it goes away. But who am I to

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<v Speaker 1>it in that way. They minimize it, and it really

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't hit fault. It was just useful doctors that were

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's amazing too, because you gotta admit, the

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<v Speaker 2>and the albums were huge, man, what you know what brilliance.

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<v Speaker 2>But they can't put together a freaking movie about this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's life. They can put in they can't put together

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<v Speaker 2>like a real uh uh Academy award, stars and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like that's the estate and the people around

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<v Speaker 2>him were just such always like such a circus from

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<v Speaker 2>beginning to end, from the from his father, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>They they because they knew they were walking on eh

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<v Speaker 1>shows and they also knew that they were hiding something

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<v Speaker 1>from the people who were, you know, essentially funding it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the fact that they had paid other

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<v Speaker 1>settlements secretly. And this was going on during the negotiations

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<v Speaker 1>for the movie, and they even went back We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to fly. And you know, but I,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I saw some of the trailers. I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't personally wasn't that impressed. I thought it looked very

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<v Speaker 1>look really that impressive. I think what carried that movie

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<v Speaker 1>and why it's so it's, you know, making money, is

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that it was all of its hits and

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<v Speaker 1>people are very nostalgic, and well, the music comes on

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<v Speaker 1>and it brings back a feeling and everything else gets forgotten,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I think they would be smart to stop

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<v Speaker 1>at one. That's what I would say. You did it,

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<v Speaker 1>not want to push the envelope here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if they make money, they'll do it all

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<v Speaker 2>over sure. And know what about Paris Jackson, she made

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<v Speaker 2>some statements about this, seeming that she wasn't supporting what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Paris Jackson came out because I get his name,

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<v Speaker 1>Dominic Domingo, I forget his name, but he's playing Joe Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>He made a statement that Paris Jackson, you know was,

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<v Speaker 1>script and she approved, and Paris Jackson heard that and

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<v Speaker 1>she says, well, wait a second. No, she goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>put my notes in the first draft of the script.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys ignored them and threw them out, and she goes,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have nothing to do with the movie, and

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<v Speaker 1>she says, you know, she goes, I just think it's

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<v Speaker 1>more important if, you know, instead of monetary game, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's more important to tell the truth. And the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that was going on right during that statement

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<v Speaker 1>that he had made Coleman Domingo, that's his name, Coleman Domingo,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the fact that it was being released that

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<v Speaker 1>the Cassio family had received the settlements. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>very very close to the Castile family. They grew up

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<v Speaker 1>essentially together, and she was shocked that that was hidden

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<v Speaker 1>from the people who were the heirs of the estate.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the reality is is the people running that state

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to really tell them anything. They can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just run it and you know, oh, well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>running it. We do as we please. But that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing you would think they would tell them about,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't actually funnel the many money through LLCs

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<v Speaker 1>and did it as a life rights purchase. So what

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<v Speaker 1>happened was was that she had no idea that that

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Casio settlements that since I've interviewed Vincent, if I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>In, what was that eving I'm sorry, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I interviewed Vincent, I'm in, and I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 2>this settlement with the Casios came after my interview with him.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, it was before. The first settlement was

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, so that was that was done,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was we'll go, like I said, when

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<v Speaker 1>we get into the Castos, I'll tell we'll discuss like

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the state went back to them, but

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<v Speaker 1>but that that was never told to any of the

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<v Speaker 1>children of Michael Jackson. Then hey, look, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be paying off other accusers because she wasn't They weren't

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<v Speaker 1>the only ones. There was another female accuser that's unknown

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<v Speaker 1>that they also It was that they paid so and

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<v Speaker 1>because she was close to the Casio family, it was

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<v Speaker 1>reported that she reached out to the family and especially

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to Marie Nicole because Paris Jackson was

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<v Speaker 1>a she was assaulted, which I think she was fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>by a stranger, and so she kind of gets it,

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<v Speaker 1>she understands, and I think she was shocked that this

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<v Speaker 1>family that she knew actually had made allegations and that

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<v Speaker 1>one was a female. So I think that really talked

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<v Speaker 1>to her. She's like, I don't want to have anything

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me off that they stayed they stayed at with

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<v Speaker 2>the Cassios air of the nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so after nine to eleven, Michael Jackson I think

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to go anywhere, so he ended up staying

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<v Speaker 1>and they essentially treated him, you know, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like family, and they would watch his children. Not even

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<v Speaker 1>even before this, they would watch his children, but they were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the playmates for the for both you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Paris and I think you know Blanket and Prince number one.

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<v Speaker 1>They would they would do this. And but even before then,

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Cassio was so entwined with Michael Jackson. He knew

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<v Speaker 1>him for so long and was with him all the

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<v Speaker 1>way up into his twenties that and he was also

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<v Speaker 1>like a caretaker for her at times as well, so

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<v Speaker 1>she knew the family and it was probably one of

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, one of the only relationships outside of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, staff that those children had that were other children,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that was consistent in their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>So what what you hear from Paris? What's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with Blanket and Prince?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think Blanket renamed himself to beat either Beg

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<v Speaker 1>either b G or Biggie b I G I S.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you pronounced it, but he renamed

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<v Speaker 1>himself after that, and then Prince. So they are very

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<v Speaker 1>much on the you know, Prince the first is very

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<v Speaker 1>much big on Michael Jackson's charities. They'll do go out

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<v Speaker 1>and do charitable work and he'll be like a front

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<v Speaker 1>man for that and then BEG or Biki or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is he does. He's very quiet, he stays to himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He does from correct. He does like a podcast on

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's gaming or comics or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But so they're they're not the youngest child really isn't

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<v Speaker 1>in the spotlight. The oldest you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are got you got you okay, So then that that

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much ties up the whole story about the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the movie, Like I said, it's they just they

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<v Speaker 1>basically just broke a profit. Now, so people don't realize

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<v Speaker 1>the movie cost. It was one hundred and fifty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in production, cost another one hundred million in in

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<v Speaker 1>in promotion, and people think, oh, well, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>now have made a profit, and they don't realize that

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<v Speaker 1>only fifty usually fifty to sixty percent of that goes

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<v Speaker 1>to the investors. The rest of it goes to the theaters.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like, oh, gee, we no, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to hit a threshold. So their threshold was about five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million before they started seeing a profit and they're

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<v Speaker 1>now into that feel. But it's going to be shown

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<v Speaker 1>on streaming, it's going to be I'm sure there's tons

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<v Speaker 1>of merchandise, so they definitely are going to be making

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<v Speaker 1>a good amount of money with I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to make the billion that they said they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to make, but I think they'll make, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly hefty profit off of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible, man, incredible anyway, the Michael Jackson biopic. So then

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<v Speaker 2>the next thing you mentioned, he was the ridiculous conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>theories what's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we already touched on one, which was the They

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<v Speaker 1>had put out an AI video which is obviously AI

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<v Speaker 1>of mccullay culkin talking about how Michael Jackson based him

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<v Speaker 1>from that evil island when he was a child and

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't go, not realize he met. The island wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>purchased until nineteen ninety eight, which would have made mcully

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<v Speaker 1>culken eighteen. And then it probably wasn't really up and

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<v Speaker 1>running to the ear with two thousands once he had

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<v Speaker 1>to do construction on all of this. But yeah, Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson somehow was come out scurrying children away from going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Epstein Island, which is on its face ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone that does like a five minute Google search,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have put it out and now they put

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<v Speaker 1>out another video about how Michael Jackson knew about Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>and he was trying to save these elites from preying

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to prevent all these like elitists from getting

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<v Speaker 1>a hold of children. And the other theory is is

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<v Speaker 1>that Michael Jackson somehow was killed by evil Jewish, evil

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish cabal of some sort that wanted to take him down.

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<v Speaker 1>So if they were using these awful things to do

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<v Speaker 1>to kill him, and it's just all of it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what people need to realize is that all these

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<v Speaker 1>what I call grifters, they all have a brand, and

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<v Speaker 1>that brand caters to a certain part of the populace

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<v Speaker 1>and a certain part of thinking. So you have people

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, want to believe in Q conspiracies and

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<v Speaker 1>they want to believe in that, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>will form it, formulate a narrative that's going to cater

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<v Speaker 1>to them. And then you have people that want to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that, you know, Michael Jackson was protecting people from

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Island and that they're really good people and they're

419
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<v Speaker 1>trying to save the children. So they'll gear it to

420
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.920
<v Speaker 1>those people. They have all these different factions, but the

421
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<v Speaker 1>one thread is that if you post a positive, glowing

422
00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson, you know, video or thread or whatever it

423
00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.480
<v Speaker 1>may be, it's going to get eyes on that particular

424
00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.400
<v Speaker 1>threat because there's so many people that want to believe that,

425
00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.039
<v Speaker 1>and he has so many fans and it's a built

426
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<v Speaker 1>in audience. You don't lose. By doing that, you will

427
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<v Speaker 1>you will get people that will follow you from me

428
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<v Speaker 1>at eternity because of that fact.

429
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<v Speaker 2>And Okay, but I can guarantee you if I were

430
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<v Speaker 2>to put out a Michael Jackson positive Michael Jackson show,

431
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't I wouldn't get any traffic on it. So

432
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 2>who's ever made that Macaulay Culkin video? Uh? Yeah, has

433
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.480
<v Speaker 2>some juice behind them, they have a PR agency behind them.

434
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<v Speaker 2>But it can't be cheap to do that. Can you

435
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<v Speaker 2>make it a think?

436
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:59.039
<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, AI is really easy to use because

437
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you can prompt it and they're okay, I want Macaulay

438
00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Culkin to say this at this time, or take a

439
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:09.119
<v Speaker 1>video and then manipulate it to make it sound like

440
00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:12.759
<v Speaker 1>he's saying something. But you're right. The part that I

441
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:16.359
<v Speaker 1>agree with is that a lot of this sort of

442
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:21.799
<v Speaker 1>engagement is is false. Is it's fake. It's people just

443
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, bots and things like that that are you know,

444
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.839
<v Speaker 1>because again, I wat times I'll spend I'll look at

445
00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:30.920
<v Speaker 1>a post and say none of this makes sense. I'll

446
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.759
<v Speaker 1>look at the people liking it. I'll go and look

447
00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.359
<v Speaker 1>at their profiles and the profiles are like brand new

448
00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.640
<v Speaker 1>or they you know have maybe you know, two or

449
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<v Speaker 1>three posts in their whole you know, ex Twitter career.

450
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:46.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's but there is money in the sense of

451
00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to get eyes onto your particular brand.

452
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<v Speaker 1>And then if you have a YouTube channel, are a

453
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<v Speaker 1>you know, another way of parlaying that into dollars, You'll

454
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 1>do that and are you just might get enough subscriber

455
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:08.880
<v Speaker 1>to whatever you want to subscribe to. It's but yeah,

456
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:14.319
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of definitely bizarro wacko conspiracy figureies.

457
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.720
<v Speaker 2>But but in reality there is We see in the

458
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Epstein files as pictures of Michael Jackson next to Jeffrey Epstein.

459
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<v Speaker 2>Now you would think that would be like a you know,

460
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 2>some kind of a nail in some kind of a

461
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 2>coffin in some kind of a cemetery. You know, what

462
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>do you because we do know? Okay, I talked to

463
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Vincent FM man. He said Cassio had Epstein's phone number

464
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>in his cell phone. We know Chris Tucker, there's a

465
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.359
<v Speaker 2>there's the nexus stay between Chris Tucker, Epstein and Michael

466
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Jackson and Ron Burkele. I think Ron Burkele today owns

467
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<v Speaker 2>a Netherland right.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Guess yes, he I's got any millions expense on it.

469
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.119
<v Speaker 2>But yes, right, so, and he's an Epstein buddy too,

470
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<v Speaker 2>he's a mix up with and there's that picture with

471
00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Epstein and Jackson set up. We noticed there's many connections

472
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.839
<v Speaker 2>that are not positive one of these rescuing people, but

473
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.559
<v Speaker 2>that there's other type of connections there. So what do

474
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 2>you make of the connection between Epstein and Michael Jackson.

475
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't, you know. My personal belief what they say

476
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.599
<v Speaker 1>is is that Michael Jackson was looking at a property

477
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>in Palm Beach and that property was owned by Jeffrey Epstein,

478
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>So he was going over there to look at that property.

479
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.279
<v Speaker 1>And he also at that time I think there was

480
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 1>one of Epstein's victims that somehow wanted to end up

481
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:37.799
<v Speaker 1>talking to Michael Jackson. I mean, I don't, I don't know.

482
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I just the problem with Michael Jackson, he's such a narcissist.

483
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>I just don't see him sharing the spotlight. I don't

484
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>see him buddying up to other predators that he knows

485
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:53.400
<v Speaker 1>of predators because he has his own sort of thing

486
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 1>going and you know, he doesn't want and I also

487
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>think that he looks at them like, oh, they're the

488
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>bad one. I'm the good one. I don't harm these children.

489
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't really force them to do anything. I'm the

490
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>one that really loves I'm not lustful after them. I

491
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 1>love them and I'm giving them, you know, all this wonderful.

492
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:18.519
<v Speaker 1>It's just the w yes, so he and that's why

493
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I think he also probably wasn't into like child pornography.

494
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>He was into nature magazines and he did have Nature

495
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 1>book in Nature books, and like Vincent Amen was mentioning

496
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>one of the those naturalist videos of children running I

497
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.279
<v Speaker 1>want around and you know, naked, And he had those

498
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>books that were just children like in you know outside

499
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh take pictures taken outside that were more

500
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>I think, and I think I said this before. I

501
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.559
<v Speaker 1>think that for him, he wanted to be he didn't

502
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>want to see anyone else abusing a child. I think

503
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to be because they were abusing a child.

504
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't abuse. He was loving a child. So to

505
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>see someone else do it, that puts it in contact.

506
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:12.279
<v Speaker 1>So the whole thing is just so hard to grasp

507
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes the way Michael Jacks, but you tryn to know

508
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 1>what though.

509
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 2>It strikes me too that he wanted people to know

510
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>what he was doing. He was rubbing it in people's face,

511
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.079
<v Speaker 2>like that incident at the comic book store where he

512
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>took the little boy into the bathroom. Yeah, you know

513
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, he was rubbing it in people's faces.

514
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.759
<v Speaker 2>And another thing that always stuck in my head is

515
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 2>that when he was living with the Chandler family with

516
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 2>the mother and he was living there in thirty days

517
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 2>in that room. Okay it locked in the room with

518
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.759
<v Speaker 2>that little boy, but there was a thing where he

519
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:41.799
<v Speaker 2>would have to take a certain pill at a certain

520
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 2>time of day, and he would turn the whole house

521
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.119
<v Speaker 2>upside down with this drama of oh, I don't want

522
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.519
<v Speaker 2>to take the bills too big, oh you know, running

523
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 2>around and chasing him with the pill, you know what

524
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean. Like he like he had to just rub

525
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 2>it in people's faces and be the center of attention

526
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and drama queen. You know.

527
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was like he was a narcissist.

528
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>He was.

529
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>People say, well, he never liked you know, himself. And

530
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I say, if you don't like yourself, you're not putting

531
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>up two story high, you know, pictures of yourself. You're

532
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>not floating a big, huge, you know, six story statue

533
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>of himself down a river to promote your new album.

534
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>You're not you know, having yourself, you know, basically a

535
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 1>painting of yourself done where you're surrounded by cheribs. I mean,

536
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and and have you had pictures of himself everywhere? And

537
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.759
<v Speaker 1>according to I forget which accuser he would say, one

538
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>of the favorite Michael Jackson's favorite things to do was

539
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>watch videos of himself, watch his own videos, watch his

540
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 1>own content. And so you know, it's this idea that

541
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson was somehow he he he played a good game.

542
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>He's really good at sing. Oh look how altruistic i am.

543
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:00.519
<v Speaker 1>Look I'm going, I'm I'm showing. I'm walking to awesole.

544
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Make sure you have cameras and pictures. Oh look I'm

545
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>doing this. Make sure there's cameras and pictures there. It

546
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>was it was always the facade that Michael Jackson tried

547
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>to present, portray as a sort of you know, holier

548
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>than vow Messiah type, and I think that's why he

549
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 1>has fanatical fans.

550
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's so much similar to Jimmy Saville. The

551
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>same thing visiting the hospital is Jimmy'll fix it almost

552
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of things that seeking out wild attention, and they

553
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 2>were talking about like Jimmy would he had to go

554
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:30.920
<v Speaker 2>to the hospital for his knee or something like that,

555
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:32.440
<v Speaker 2>but he would call all the press when they were

556
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 2>wheeling them in.

557
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, oh god, Yeah.

558
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, it's isn't that bizarre? Like here you got

559
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>this huge secret in your life, but you still you

560
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:42.480
<v Speaker 2>want all this attention to yourself?

561
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? No, I agree. I think he was. I think

562
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.839
<v Speaker 1>he was storing the people's faces because he thought that

563
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 1>it was And I made in one of my videos

564
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>that put out a quote about Michael Jackson what he

565
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:58.359
<v Speaker 1>thought about child marriages, because Michael Jackson he had he

566
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 1>went to India, but he also had an Indian type

567
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:07.079
<v Speaker 1>of guru that he would see that also was into

568
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.920
<v Speaker 1>child marriages. But he went to India and he said,

569
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm just amazed that a parent is willing to give away.

570
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>You know. I think it was like they're eleven year

571
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>old child to a thirty year old man and that's

572
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>perfectly fine. And you know, they say we have it wrong.

573
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 1>They say, you know, we say they have it wrong.

574
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 1>He goes, you know, but essentially I find it really fascinating,

575
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, Okay, most people aren't going to call

576
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>child marriage fascinating. They're going to call it, you know,

577
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 1>just repugnant. And I don't care what country it is.

578
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just a disgusting practice. It should have ended, you know,

579
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:45.319
<v Speaker 1>a thousand years ago.

580
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you same thing too. Yeah, and would say that

581
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 2>in other cultures it's no prominent. But now that's a

582
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>quote or that's a video of Michael.

583
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Jess quote from nineteen seventy nine. He was turning about

584
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>to turn twenty one. And there was another quote that

585
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>was paired with in another article where they asked him

586
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 1>about are you excited to becoming a man, and he goes, well,

587
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't really believe in manhood. I believe that you

588
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.599
<v Speaker 1>can have a seven year old adult or you could

589
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.839
<v Speaker 1>have a thirty year old child. I don't see. I

590
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 1>think man is like a construct. I don't believe in it. Oh,

591
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.359
<v Speaker 1>if this is so, In other words, you could you

592
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.839
<v Speaker 1>could have a five year old, you know, making adult

593
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 1>decisions and you know, to a with a thirty year

594
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>old saying it isventally saying the five year old thinkes

595
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 1>it's okay to have sex with a thirty ye old,

596
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.519
<v Speaker 1>that you'd be okay because the five year old was

597
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 1>really the adult and thirty year old is the child.

598
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just And that's another quote from Michael Jackson.

599
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>And this is way back He's he wasn't even twenty

600
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.559
<v Speaker 1>one yet he was making statements like this.

601
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>What about the other brothers any or even the sisters

602
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:51.799
<v Speaker 2>any any kind of comments like that. Today they have

603
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 2>any words stuff like that.

604
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>No. The only thing I know is, I think we

605
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 1>discussed this before Viatoya was talking about how Michael Jackson

606
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.440
<v Speaker 1>would keep soil divers right.

607
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>But I'm somebody in their their own personal feelings that hey,

608
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 2>this is this kind of thing is okay because Latya,

609
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 2>you look at her life. She got hooked up with

610
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.400
<v Speaker 2>that massive can't murder a guy, you know, come on,

611
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, yes, something happened in that family. You know

612
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 2>that they were exposed to something. And Joe Jackson, Yeah.

613
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, because a lot of his brothers

614
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>they got married really young. So they got married.

615
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Them with the same woman. Two of his brothers.

616
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>At least they were they were adult women. Who knows.

617
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I know that they proposedly were hooking up with fans

618
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.559
<v Speaker 1>all the time, but I don't I don't think that

619
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.320
<v Speaker 1>was they I don't think they have that same you know,

620
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were predators, and I think they

621
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe were predators in other ways, but I don't think

622
00:34:56.880 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 1>I think Michael Jackson was the one where all that

623
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, you can put together all these

624
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>ingredients and then you might get you know, you're missing

625
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.679
<v Speaker 1>an ingredient in this one or that one, but all

626
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.599
<v Speaker 1>the ingredients with Michael Jackson created what he had, which

627
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>was a you know, a child predator who was.

628
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Prolific on such a massive scale. Putting in an amusement

629
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 2>park in the whole thing was such a massive This

630
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:26.639
<v Speaker 2>was the center of his life. It was the focus

631
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>of every waking moment. Now, what about you mentioned here

632
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.039
<v Speaker 2>to the Cassio claims update, what's going on with the

633
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Casio case.

634
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, for anyone, I tell people go onto YouTube and

635
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.559
<v Speaker 1>look up the interview they did with sixteen Minutes Australia.

636
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 1>It actually came out yesterday and it goes over the claims. Now,

637
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about the castos. I think we even

638
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>talked about a year ago. A year plus ago. Nobody

639
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I was contacting guys. This is a major story. You

640
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.039
<v Speaker 1>need to talk about. This why is nobody talking about this?

641
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.559
<v Speaker 1>I went on I don't know, like a like a

642
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>total ex Twitter rant, trying to get people to take

643
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 1>this seriously. So now sixty minutes of Australia has finally

644
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.559
<v Speaker 1>come out, and this is what people need to understand.

645
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 1>It's not one child in this family, it's they have

646
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.639
<v Speaker 1>five children. All five has said that they were abused

647
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>by Michael Jackson. That is something that Okay, maybe one

648
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:29.199
<v Speaker 1>person might be you know, you know, you might have

649
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>one person that might be lying. But to have a

650
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.719
<v Speaker 1>whole family conspire together. I tell people it's hard for

651
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.079
<v Speaker 1>a family to agree on what to have for dinner,

652
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 1>but yet you can have a whole family conspire together

653
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 1>knowing that all those five children are going to be

654
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.599
<v Speaker 1>putting their parents on a spotlight where people gonna be

655
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>why didn't you let them sleep with them? Why did

656
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>you do this? Why did you do that? Thinking that

657
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 1>they don't have any friends, associates, people around them that

658
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>arey' to be questioning this and asking why they have

659
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>businesses that are going to be feted by this, but

660
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>yet they came out for it. And the other thing

661
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Speaker 1>that people don't realize is that believing Neverland had come out, okay,

662
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 1>and this is in twenty nineteen. The estate saw this,

663
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 1>so they decided to hire a private investigator. And what

664
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that private investigator's job was missus in their claim. His

665
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>job his name was Wiseberg, and his job was to

666
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 1>go out and find other potential victims and pretend that

667
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>he was on their side and say, you know what, yes,

668
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 1>I believe it. This sounds awful. We need to go

669
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>to the estate. And the goal was to find these

670
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>potential victims silence them for the least amount of money

671
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:47.119
<v Speaker 1>they possibly could because that present and they and do

672
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>it without a lawyer. Soul yes, timism, then no, you

673
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.239
<v Speaker 1>don't need a lawyer. No, no, no, we have your

674
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>best interest in hand. We're going to do this. And

675
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 1>then they said when they spot well, maybe we should

676
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>get a layer. They said, no, if he decides to

677
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 1>do that, the deal's off the table. So they did

678
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 1>that in twenty nineteen. And what other people also don't

679
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>realize is that it's now the Michael Jackson biopic slash

680
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 1>infomercial is going in the works. So we have to

681
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 1>make sure that we don't have anyone else coming out again,

682
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:25.119
<v Speaker 1>because now the people are realizing that it's been payoffs.

683
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>So what we have to do is we're going to

684
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 1>go back to the Cassios after we had already the

685
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>agreement's already done. Because almost done. It was six hundred

686
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and like fifty seven thousand for each child per year

687
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>for five years. Also they knew that was yes, they

688
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.679
<v Speaker 1>knew that was running out. So they said, we guys,

689
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 1>we did you wrong. This is in two thousand and

690
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.639
<v Speaker 1>two arms. But we're coming back and we want to renegotiate.

691
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>So here's what we're going to do. And they stop

692
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 1>and said, wait a second. You know what, We're getting

693
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer now. So they got a lawyer and the

694
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 1>lawyer was smart enough to realize, we know what's going

695
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.039
<v Speaker 1>on here, and he said, we're asking for two hundred million.

696
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>And the way he came up with that is he

697
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:09.079
<v Speaker 1>paid Jordan Chandler roughly about twenty million. This five of them.

698
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>This went on for decades, So you know what we

699
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:15.320
<v Speaker 1>want for the all five siblings, two hundred million. That's

700
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 1>a bargain because if you look at inflation. So that's

701
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:21.079
<v Speaker 1>how we came up without amounts. But the reality was

702
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and then they and then after that happened. The Jackson

703
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:27.239
<v Speaker 1>State decided, oh, we're going to put this out publicly.

704
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>We're not going to do it, we're not gonna outright

705
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 1>say it, but we're going to file the claim saying

706
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.639
<v Speaker 1>it's extortion. So now it's maybe on files. Now the

707
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 1>names are going to come out. They're going to out

708
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the Cassios, and then that mean all the fandom, all

709
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the crazy fanatics are going to go after them and

710
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 1>attack them. And now they can make this claim of oh,

711
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 1>they're only doing this for money, when they were the

712
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.679
<v Speaker 1>ones that approached them, gave them the money, told them

713
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 1>they believed in the story, and they went back to

714
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 1>them in twenty twenty four to do the exactly same thing,

715
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 1>and they just wiped up and got a lawyer. What

716
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.800
<v Speaker 1>is unreal to me? And then when you try to

717
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>bring it up to people, they say, oh, they're all

718
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.480
<v Speaker 1>just lying. Look at them, they're just it's like no, no, no, no.

719
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>And I said this idea that And the reality is

720
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:18.000
<v Speaker 1>is now that they're came forward because they were threatened.

721
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Now the estates say we're going to take all that

722
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:21.719
<v Speaker 1>money we gave you back, we want we're going to

723
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>see you for it back so it's like, you know,

724
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 1>this idea that they're doing this for money when they

725
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.239
<v Speaker 1>already had money and they had money in the hand,

726
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 1>because they wouldn't give you more money and I said, no,

727
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>we don't want that because we know what you do

728
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 1>with the biopic. Now they're being looked at as money grubbing,

729
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, you know the fraudsters that are looking

730
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 1>to defraud the estate, and nobody knows the story and

731
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.559
<v Speaker 1>the other thing that came out. I'll give you some

732
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 1>of the highlights of what happened, and some of it's disturbing.

733
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>One of the highlights was was that Michael Jackson his

734
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>name was Dominic Cassio, and I put up pictures of

735
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 1>him all over the X because he is one picture

736
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.079
<v Speaker 1>of him where he is sitting in Michael Jackson's lap

737
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and we were talking about conspiracy theories. What the MJ

738
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:11.320
<v Speaker 1>fans did is they digitally removed him and so it

739
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>looks like he's holding nothing, and it's like he's holding

740
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.039
<v Speaker 1>a baby, but nobody's there. He's holding a child, but

741
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:18.480
<v Speaker 1>nobody's in his arms. And they said, oh no, no,

742
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.360
<v Speaker 1>this is the real picture. Even though they digitally removed him,

743
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.800
<v Speaker 1>there's how bad they are, and the Cassio has provided

744
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 1>the picture. But anyways, they Michael Jackson said, you know what,

745
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I want you to know how much you should trust me,

746
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 1>and I want you to know how much I love you.

747
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to drink

748
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>your urine. So that's what Michael Jackson, you want to

749
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 1>all bad this gout. That's one of the things that

750
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 1>is claimed by Dominic Cassio. The other thing that was

751
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:49.599
<v Speaker 1>claimed by Dominic Casio was that Michael Jackson when he

752
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.800
<v Speaker 1>was arrested in two thousand and three, when had the

753
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.519
<v Speaker 1>handcuffs on him, he said the cops brutalized him in

754
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the jail with the cameras everywhere, with his news was

755
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.440
<v Speaker 1>all over the world. They're just going to abuse him

756
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.559
<v Speaker 1>in the jail and all this is going on.

757
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Well. He also said that they kept him in a toilet.

758
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 2>He said thet in it.

759
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.599
<v Speaker 1>He thought they were in a bathroom, and he said

760
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 1>on the walls, there's nothing but do doo this do

761
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:27.280
<v Speaker 1>do people believe this? They believe it. But anyways, he

762
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 1>wasn't dominant, he was an adult. Now he instruct Dominic

763
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.519
<v Speaker 1>to hit him in the arm. And to create a

764
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.239
<v Speaker 1>bruise on his arm. So when he went out with

765
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Ed Bradley, that Bradley talked about this, they would have

766
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 1>pictures of him being abused in the jail. He see, well,

767
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.039
<v Speaker 1>he said, the handcuffs were put on extremely, extremely tight.

768
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 1>But when he's walking in the jail, he's literally you

769
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.519
<v Speaker 1>can see him like I'm pushing his arms out in

770
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>the back to show his handcuffs. And the hackcuffs are

771
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>perfectly fine. There's no just do it whatsoever. So it's

772
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 1>that was put out. And then he found out about

773
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:10.679
<v Speaker 1>how Marie Nicole Michael Jackson abbused her and he wanted,

774
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, he had her undress and all this other

775
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>stuff and I'm not going to get too graphic about that.

776
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 1>And then how he wanted her she was sixteen, I

777
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 1>think she said, and he wanted her to do something

778
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.119
<v Speaker 1>with her. He abused her many times, but she finally

779
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 1>said at sixteen, she says, no, I'm not doing that.

780
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I refuse. I'm not going to be doing anything with you.

781
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>And then how he acbused another one of the one

782
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Cassios when he was seven years old, lying

783
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 1>on a bed, and how he would abuse him continually,

784
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 1>and at one point he woke up and he saw Michael.

785
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 1>He was sleeping in the same bed, and he saw

786
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson sobbing and like you know, probably Messcara running

787
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 1>down his face, going you don't love me, you love me?

788
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 1>And he goes and he goes. He stalked about how

789
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>frightened he was because I was a little boy. I

790
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>was ten years old and I'm waking up to this

791
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>guy and he looks he looks like a monster. And

792
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 1>there's so many claims going on. But if you watch

793
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 1>that interview and if you come out and say, gee,

794
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:24.639
<v Speaker 1>they're really just acting, you have to have your head examined,

795
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.119
<v Speaker 1>because no family is going to put themselves through this.

796
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>What do you make though, because I get a lot

797
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.559
<v Speaker 2>of grief over Amen and Cassio because there were co

798
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 2>defendants and the abuse allegations in Santa Santa Maria. So

799
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>so what do you what do you make of their

800
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:40.320
<v Speaker 2>culpability and all this?

801
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think there was some in the sense of

802
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.519
<v Speaker 1>that they were instructed to do things, But you know,

803
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you got to realize these guys are in their twenties

804
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 1>at this point. You know, they're just beginning to figure

805
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.880
<v Speaker 1>out life. And the other thing is he get Frank

806
00:44:54.920 --> 00:45:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Cassio at that point was still you know, still under

807
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the spell of Michael Jackson and Vincent Amen at the point,

808
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>he's just doing what they're telling him to do, and

809
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:11.519
<v Speaker 1>they you know, I think the reason why they threatened

810
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>to do the co consperity unindicted co conspiracy because they

811
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:18.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted information and they wanted the That was the prosecution's

812
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>way of saying, hey, look, we know you probably know things.

813
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>We want you to cooperate with us, and so we're

814
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>going to put you out. You know, we're going to

815
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.440
<v Speaker 1>call you on an dieded co conspirators, when the reality

816
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:32.880
<v Speaker 1>was they were just really another cog in the wheel

817
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>of Michael Michael Jackson machine. That it's almost like the

818
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 1>government where you you know, it's compartmentalized. We have all

819
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>these different you know, things working at once to hide

820
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:48.239
<v Speaker 1>something else completely. And I you know, I think Vincent

821
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Ahmond is you know, he he has seen things that

822
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 1>disturbed him and that he was he trusted his friend Frank,

823
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.159
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he didn't know at that point one

824
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.199
<v Speaker 1>when he was talking about didn't realize how victims sometimes

825
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.760
<v Speaker 1>will lie about being abused and protector abusers, and that

826
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 1>now that he's married and he has his wife was abused,

827
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 1>she's an Epstein, I am a correct Epstein victim, that

828
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.719
<v Speaker 1>he understands how that all works now, and that he's.

829
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Also they were also addicted to drugs at the time too,

830
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and he was a supplier, So there's that issue too

831
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.719
<v Speaker 2>as well. Now bringing up Rina, Oh, okay, who is

832
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 2>a man's wife who was an Epstein victim. Now, what

833
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 2>do you make of her whole situation with her beef

834
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>with the Virginia Robert Schuffrie.

835
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't, I mean, I don't, I really, I honestly

836
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:50.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't look into what that beef. I know Vincent's very

837
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's very forceful of pushing that argument that

838
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>she was nothing but a handler from correct is what

839
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I think the argument is. But I don't you know,

840
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:10.880
<v Speaker 1>that whole thing has become such a just total fiasco

841
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.519
<v Speaker 1>on how it's been reported in all the different elements

842
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 1>to it and all I don't know, and I don't

843
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 1>know enough of it about it to really comment on it.

844
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, Okay? All right? What's next? Is the physical evidence

845
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 2>of what the physical evidence of?

846
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I want to stress this because this is

847
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 1>the argument you get all the time. There is no

848
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>physical evidence, there is no there's only testimony, and that's

849
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>not true. In nineteen ninety three, and I'm going to

850
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.079
<v Speaker 1>go over some of it. In nineteen ninety three, they

851
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:49.519
<v Speaker 1>found a picture, the polaric picture. It was one of

852
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson's like close little friends. He was his name,

853
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.559
<v Speaker 1>first name was Jonathan and he spent months with Michael Jackson,

854
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:03.480
<v Speaker 1>months with him. That picture was a collerati of a

855
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:08.280
<v Speaker 1>nude they believed Jonathan Spence, and according to the lawyers

856
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>for Wade Robson and James Safchuck, it was a provocative picture.

857
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>He's literally cusping his generals, is what he was doing.

858
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 1>And I was found at Havenhurst, at Michael Jackson's haven

859
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Urs estate, and God doesn't get talked about. And then

860
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>when you bring it up, oh no, no, no, that's

861
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.119
<v Speaker 1>not it is. It was filed, it's in, and even

862
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.039
<v Speaker 1>the lawyer is now going to probably bring that piece

863
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:36.039
<v Speaker 1>of evidence out. The other thing they found was on

864
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson's body. You have a child accurately described markings

865
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.599
<v Speaker 1>on the undecided of Michael Jackson's genitalia. And this is

866
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 1>not me saying this is that the detectives that were

867
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.679
<v Speaker 1>involved in that case. These were people like one of

868
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the lead prosecutors, Lauren Lauren Weiss ron Zonen, who was

869
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the assistant DA. But more importantly, Michael Jackson's own attorney

870
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 1>discussed this. He talked about how it was the you know,

871
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.920
<v Speaker 1>six hundred pound guerrilla in the mediation room, the pictures

872
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and the description that they knew at that point they

873
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:18.719
<v Speaker 1>needed to settle to obviate a criminal investigation. So you

874
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:23.039
<v Speaker 1>have and then you have the books when he arranges me.

875
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.159
<v Speaker 1>More is they had two books. It was called The

876
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Boy and Boys Will Be Boys. Now those books were

877
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 1>legal because they came out in the sixties and there

878
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>were new children, et cetera. People don't realize that child

879
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:40.400
<v Speaker 1>pornography was not illegal until nineteen seventy six. And the

880
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:45.400
<v Speaker 1>people that put out those books were two pedophiles. There

881
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>were two pedophiles, and one of them was named Martin Swithenbank,

882
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 1>and he actually owned the publishing company to these books.

883
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.320
<v Speaker 1>It was called Book Adventures. He was interviewed about these

884
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>books and he was asked directly. He goes, well, why

885
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 1>is your publishing company you haven't put out much material.

886
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Why is it suddenly folding? Why are you now shutting

887
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.800
<v Speaker 1>down the publishing company? And his quote was, well, because

888
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.760
<v Speaker 1>there was not enough boy lovers to buy our material.

889
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.679
<v Speaker 1>So Michael Jackson had that in a locked filing cabinet

890
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 1>with his own inscription on the you know, on the

891
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.519
<v Speaker 1>inside of the book that talked about how wonderful the

892
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>book was, and he that's the boyhood he wants for

893
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 1>his own children. And it's nothing but essentially nude and

894
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.280
<v Speaker 1>semi new children were frolicking around in nature, and a

895
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 1>lot of them again just overt. It would be called

896
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 1>child pornography now, but back then it wasn't classified. And

897
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Speaker 1>back then they that's what they used, and they traded

898
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it and Michael Jackson owned it. Another piece of physical events,

899
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 1>They also found seamanstinct on his mattress, several reidentified males

900
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>well gee, Michael Jackson supposedly was heterosexual male and his

901
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>own bed had demases I couldn't identify on his mattress,

902
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:07.119
<v Speaker 1>you know. And they found magazines with his fingerprints on it,

903
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.519
<v Speaker 1>and nature magazines and all these things. But all of

904
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:13.320
<v Speaker 1>it gets ignored because they want to see a video.

905
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson abusing a child. That's their goals standed. That's

906
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.559
<v Speaker 1>the only thing they'll believe A maybe DNA evidence possibly,

907
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but that's the argument. And I have to

908
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 1>always I always, you know, I haven't brought it up

909
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>in a long time, some of the physical evidence, but

910
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:33.719
<v Speaker 1>there is physical evidence there. And besides that, there are

911
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:38.079
<v Speaker 1>just reams of testimony. And you have mal eleven accusers,

912
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:42.840
<v Speaker 1>seven multi million dollar settlements. You know, there's so much

913
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 1>information that people just choose to ignore because they don't

914
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 1>want to believe.

915
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 2>It in denial so many of them. But I got

916
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 2>the impression of some of them are to the same

917
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:54.920
<v Speaker 2>thing too there, you know, some of them. It's just

918
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 2>they just seem a little.

919
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.559
<v Speaker 1>A little creepy, you know, Yeah, yeah, that's you know

920
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:04.039
<v Speaker 1>some of them. Yeah, it would surprise me some of them.

921
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 1>They have these now these child abusers that cobook go

922
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.039
<v Speaker 1>by minor attractive people. They've now rebranded themselves. Oh look,

923
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.639
<v Speaker 1>we're in new sexuality. We should be we should be accepted.

924
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.280
<v Speaker 1>And the reality is is that I was just looking

925
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:22.239
<v Speaker 1>at a story from some guy. There's this new thing

926
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.079
<v Speaker 1>called look smacking, where people I guess.

927
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, no, no, no, no, look looks looks maxing. That

928
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 2>looks smacking.

929
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Max looks maxing. Okay, It's well, there was one

930
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 1>guy that was like twenty two years old that was

931
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.440
<v Speaker 1>into this and he had and it was all about

932
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, being the perfect male specimen. And

933
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>then you find out that he was getting child pornography

934
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:53.559
<v Speaker 1>and he was just busted by a couple of YouTubers

935
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.239
<v Speaker 1>that busted him and actually conspunted about his house and

936
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 1>he actually admitted to everything. And I'm like, oh, that's right.

937
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.639
<v Speaker 2>I saw that one. Yeah, Alex Rosen confronted him. Yeah.

938
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's but it's like, it's like, you know,

939
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 1>what is going on and it and it just is

940
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.559
<v Speaker 1>shocking to me. It's like this guy could have any

941
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.519
<v Speaker 1>woman or man or whatever he's into he wants, and

942
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like, and this is and they even confronted him saying,

943
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:27.519
<v Speaker 1>you're into watching children's innocence to be stolen, that's what

944
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:31.599
<v Speaker 1>you're into, and and and and the reality is is

945
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:35.760
<v Speaker 1>this there's this bizarre movement, and there are people defending him,

946
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.239
<v Speaker 1>by the way, That's why I kind of brought it up.

947
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.239
<v Speaker 1>There are people defending him saying, oh, it's not that bad.

948
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 1>He shouldn't be.

949
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 2>And and this is you know what, though, man, I

950
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:46.679
<v Speaker 2>looked into that guy. A lot of his accounts and

951
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 2>followers and comments are all fake. Okay, so so that

952
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 2>might be his own comments saying he's not so yeah,

953
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 2>he might be defending himself. You know, I contacted all

954
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.079
<v Speaker 2>years ago. I hate to be one of them, My

955
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Tommy ped Patrol, uh and I I'm in touch with Alex.

956
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 2>But what do you call it that I've contacted all

957
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.360
<v Speaker 2>those predator hunter guys, most of them anyway, and helped

958
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.599
<v Speaker 2>them put their reports together and how to get freaking

959
00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:11.760
<v Speaker 2>convictions on his stuff and tont know how to how

960
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:13.920
<v Speaker 2>to really do this stuff years ago, you know. So

961
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.440
<v Speaker 2>although I get no credit for it, of course, we're

962
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.280
<v Speaker 2>running out of time. But the last thing here is

963
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 2>a Robinson and safe Chuck trial. What's going on with that?

964
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 1>So the one good thing that you know, the light

965
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:28.119
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the tunnel is their trial has

966
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:31.800
<v Speaker 1>not got greenlits, so it should be hopefully they dates

967
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:35.239
<v Speaker 1>can change. But we're looking at November or they're looking

968
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>at November of this year, and it's going to be

969
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a jury trial. And the attorney, John Carpenter, has you know,

970
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:48.480
<v Speaker 1>stated that he was interviewed by Dan Reid, who did

971
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a Leaving Neverland and it was like not really a sequel,

972
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>but an update to that that he did as well.

973
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 1>And he asked him and he looked at Danny Reed said,

974
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's so many things I wish I could

975
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:05.519
<v Speaker 1>tell you right now that you know that I that

976
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I have right. I wish I could tell you, but

977
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I cannot, because obviously it's an ongoing trial. But he's like,

978
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I am one hundred percent convinced that Michael Jackson, and

979
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it is because of the information that we've gathered. I

980
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 1>believe it's probably some physical evidence that wasn't allowed in

981
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.599
<v Speaker 1>the trial that these process because it was there was

982
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:31.599
<v Speaker 1>rumors that they also had other pictures that were obtained

983
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.280
<v Speaker 1>that weren't allowed into evidence. But also I think it's

984
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.840
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of probably other hidden settlements because now with

985
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.280
<v Speaker 1>discovery they can look at the books and there's probably

986
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.679
<v Speaker 1>other And they even say that there is another accuser

987
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 1>that nobody knows about that's going to be very shocking,

988
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:55.960
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna more than likely testify, So there is a there,

989
00:55:56.159 --> 00:56:00.400
<v Speaker 1>there's he's very confident that this is in the burden

990
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of proof is less in the civil trial than it

991
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>is with the criminal trial. But I think he's very

992
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.119
<v Speaker 1>confident that once he gets on stand, our jury on

993
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.199
<v Speaker 1>the stand and presents the evidence because they weren't allowed

994
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 1>to do that. But this whole you know, fourteen years,

995
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>thirteen fourteen years, they have been shot down time at

996
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 1>the time because of standing, so the evidence, the merits

997
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:26.119
<v Speaker 1>were never tested. Now they're finally going to be able

998
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:29.199
<v Speaker 1>to hopefully put on the merits of the case. And

999
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:32.079
<v Speaker 1>that is also going to be I believe they're going

1000
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:36.000
<v Speaker 1>to allow filming from Dan Reid to film that trial

1001
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:38.840
<v Speaker 1>to be like the last installment of the Leaving Neverland,

1002
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, series, to come out so people can see

1003
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:47.199
<v Speaker 1>for themselves. Hey, this is more than just you know

1004
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.039
<v Speaker 1>what the estate's trying to push. And according to all

1005
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the sources, they you know, even if the state feels

1006
00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:00.519
<v Speaker 1>like they there's nothing they at this point to settle

1007
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that they're not going to take a settlement. They want

1008
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:05.599
<v Speaker 1>their day in court. They want everyone to see what's

1009
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:05.920
<v Speaker 1>going on.

1010
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been contacted by the estate like with

1011
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.280
<v Speaker 2>a seasoned to sister can kind of threat or anything

1012
00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:12.480
<v Speaker 2>like that legal.

1013
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.199
<v Speaker 1>No, I haven't, and I think it's because I don't

1014
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:19.400
<v Speaker 1>really mention much about the What I talk about is

1015
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 1>what's been reported, So somebody already has discussed this over

1016
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 1>what's the court documents? And the other thing is Michael

1017
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Jackson dead. You can't really the fame a dead person.

1018
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 2>If the state can come after you, they'll come after you.

1019
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Trust me.

1020
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard anything yet. We'll put it that much.

1021
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll put it that much. I haven't heard heard anything.

1022
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.760
<v Speaker 1>And I also think that their ideas they don't want

1023
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 1>to bring any attention to you know, it just brings

1024
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:48.480
<v Speaker 1>more attention. And I'm such a small fish out a

1025
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:50.719
<v Speaker 1>pond that's like might even bother.

1026
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:56.000
<v Speaker 2>So many accuses out the yet, Michael Parsilli, we are

1027
00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:59.719
<v Speaker 2>out of time. People check out m J victims dot

1028
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:03.719
<v Speaker 2>com and the highly recommended Surviving Michael Jackson YouTube channels

1029
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.039
<v Speaker 2>that's out there with all kind of good information on it.

1030
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:07.760
<v Speaker 2>And Michael, thank you so much, man. I can't. I

1031
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:09.360
<v Speaker 2>can't tell you how much I enjoy having you on

1032
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the show. I really do. Man. Yeah, we gotta come

1033
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:17.119
<v Speaker 2>back more from it. Thank you, okay, only been in

1034
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:22.440
<v Speaker 2>a toga take it. Thank you again, my friend. Good

1035
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:22.679
<v Speaker 2>night