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Speaker 1: Welcome to Political Beatdown. I'm Ben Mycellas joined by Michael Cohen.

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We've got a lot to discuss on this episode. First off,

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Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Honka, Happy Kwanza. It's great

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to be here with you. As we approached the new year,

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we were not able to do the show yesterday. Obviously

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we were able to, but we wanted to give people

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times off and ourselves a little bit of time off

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with the family.

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Speaker 2: It's disrespectful on Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Brothers did a show, so it wasn't that

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all right, We did a live show with the Brothers,

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but we wanted to say doing doing two shows is

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clearly disrespectful show. It's the right level of respect, so

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we wanted it. We wanted to make sure we did

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our second show this week though, just to be with

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everybody here in this incredible community. So a lot to discuss.

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Let's just jump into it. You've got Donald Trump moments

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ago before we went live, Cohen, He's posting about issues

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that really matter to the American people. Do you think,

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Cohen and be down Brigadors that he's talking about what

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his healthcare plan is and how he's going to now

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Why would he do that? You think he's talking about

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Affordable Care Act extensions?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's talking about what his plan is

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to reduce costs on day one, which were now basically

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three hundred and sixty days past that promise. You think

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you know what he's talking about is is.

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Speaker 2: The ninety deals in ninety days.

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Speaker 1: No, no, forget about that. No one who really believed

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ninety deals in ninety days. Cod. No, what he's talking

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about potential marble armrests for seating at the Trump Kennedy Center,

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unlike anything ever done or seen.

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Speaker 3: Be four.

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Speaker 1: And then he posts the renovated Palm Room with marble

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flooring there. I guess this is what our taxpayer dollars

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are going to, and this is what he's talking about.

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While so many American people are struggling to get a paycheck,

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those who are getting paychecks are psychologically tortured, living paycheck

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to paycheck. People can't afford their rent. Right now, people

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are defaulting on their credit card, their credit cards and

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picking up credit card debt. You have the Trump regime

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announcing that it will begin garnishing wages of people who

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are not paying their student loans, which could be millions

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of people, and he's posting about marble arm Why would

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you even want that's kind of uncomfortable. A marble armrest

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just doesn't seem all that comes.

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Speaker 2: You know, Ben, I gotta be honest with you here.

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First of all, the place in those pictures looks like

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a mausoleum. But there is actually a reason why Congress

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and Committee are involved in whether it's a renovation of

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a government building or whether it is, you know, the

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renaming of a specific building. Yeah, uh, there's a reason why.

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And this is exactly the reason why. Let me just say,

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Trump has a very particular taste. The ballrooms all look

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the same. The marble on the floor is exactly the same,

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the white marble with the you know, gray veins in

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them and so on. Sure there is a place for it.

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Is this the right place for it? I don't know

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how many how many of you that are here with

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us right now have actually ever been to the Kennedy Center.

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And I suspect probably not too many of you. I

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was there once, you know, obviously many years ago, but

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how many people have actually been there? And yeah, it's

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so important that what you're now going to have marble

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chairs that you can have marble armrests. I mean, you're right, Ben,

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People can afford their lives right now, but at least

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they know that when others who are significantly more fortunate

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financially than they will have very important chairs and armrests

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to relax their arms on very very important.

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Speaker 1: Look, here's the thing. If people ultimately want this right,

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if this is what is wanted, people elect their members

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to Congress, people elect their senators, and they are the

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ones who are supposed to have oversight over these things.

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That's why we have no kings, why we have no dictators.

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And ultimately, if this is how our representatives think that

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our money should be spent, they should be held accountable

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for that. And that's the way our system works. Like

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if you don't like our system, there are other systems

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out there. I mean you're seeing it in Russia. You

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see it in North Korea, you see it in Saudi Arabia,

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you see it in authoritarian regimes that there, you see

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it in Iran, you see it in China. Those those

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are the systems out there. Our system is democracy and

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its deliberative process, and you have checks and balances, or

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you were supposed to. And now we don't have that anymore,

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and so the dictator, the feuror names something the Trump

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Kennedy Center, the Trump Peace Center, Trump RX, the Trump

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Naval vessels, the Trump this, the Trump that.

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Speaker 2: The Trump vial visas, the Trump the Arctic Trump Are

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the Trump, the two sided commemorative two hundred and fiftieth

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coin with his image on both sides. I mean you

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can go on the you know, dropping his face on

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the side of the Uh what the what? What building

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was that? That was the FED? The FED building. I mean,

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you know, there comes.

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Speaker 1: A labor department building, you know, the Kim John Umps.

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Speaker 2: There comes a point in time that people have to

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understand whether you love Trump or you despise him, that's

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not even what this is about. What this is about

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is that you don't name vessels after people who are

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still alive. You don't name There's a reason why that

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the Kennedy Center was named the Kennedy Center. There's a

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reason why there is no American who has ever been

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on whether it's a coin or a bill that is

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still alive. That is something that is uh in this

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sphere for monarch's dictators, rulers, kings, et cetera. And here

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in America. To those of you who may not be

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aware of this, I see that there's a couple of haters,

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of course, always you know, trying to troll America is

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a democratic republic, meaning we don't have kings. That's what

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this is about. Maybe down the road, many years from now, right,

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somebody will name something after him. Maybe they will, but

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not while the individual is still alive. That's just the

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way the rules.

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Speaker 1: Work until now, and until someone doesn't follow a rules

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based system. You know, someone who doesn't follow a rules

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based global order, so whether it's domestic or abroad. Twenty

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twenty five has been defined with the Trump regime side

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of things as destroying the rules right, breaking the system,

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not rebuilding with anything other than this disorganized, incompetent, fascist mess.

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And Trump destroys the world order that existed for you know,

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the better part of a half a century, longer, seventy years,

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you know, really since World War Two. You know, Trump

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shifted that dynamic, and I believe he's made America far weaker.

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He's given the green light to authoritarians to conquer. Hey, look,

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if Trump's saying Greenland is ours or Canada is the

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fifty first state, then China's justified in its view of saying, well,

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if America is doing that and there's no rules based

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order and sovereignty doesn't matter anymore than China says. Okay, well,

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I guess we'll be more aggressive towards Taiwan, and not

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only that, we'll look at Asia in general as a

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sphere of influence.

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Speaker 2: Right, and we will allow Russia to turn around Europe

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tried to conquer again Europe. They're going to course trot

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and they're not doing a good job with it, but

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try to take Ukraine. And after Ukraine, of course we

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all know what's next. I mean, this is not rocket

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science here. They're going to look to Poland, and then

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after Poland the Baltics and to take over all of Europe. Well,

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this is a big problem. In fact, Ben, just to

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prove your point, Europe and our allies, especially the NATO allies,

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are so in tune with what Putin is looking to

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do here that they have actually all gotten together outside

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of the sphere of the United States in order to

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engage in conversation how to protect one another. Ultimately, when

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the United States, when this administration found out that it

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was taking place without them, what did he do, he

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immediately summons Marco Rubio and somebody else to go running

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there in order to right at least be there to

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demonstrate their presence so that you know, the world doesn't

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move on without us. But that's the status part, because

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that's what's happening. The world is going to move on

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without us, and it opens up a massive slot for

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like China or others to step in and to fill it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, just in the past week, you

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have Trump sanctioning Europe, saying that Europe runs a free

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speech censorship regime and not allowing key European officials to

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travel to the United States. I mean, think about it.

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Our State Department issued sanctions against European officials, and Donald

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Trump's posting and bragging about it. Rubio imposes these are

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restrictions on European officials. This is how Trump phrases it,

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who attempted to censor American free speech? And an attempt

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to censor American free speech. Europe has its own laws,

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and to protect their own democracy and to protect their

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freedom of speech, they've enacted consumer protection laws that says,

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if your a social media platform of forty five million

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subscribers are more. You can't be allowing these bots to proliferate.

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You can't be allowing these deceptive ads to reach consumers.

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You can't be allowing foreign interference in elections using your platforms.

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And if you do that, there will be fines to pay.

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So it's common sense regulations, the type of regulations that frankly,

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we should have here in the US. MAGA absolutely hates

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it because MAGA has aligned with a fascist, authoritarian movement

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internationally that wants to spread the disinformation and erode good

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data and information using social media platforms. And Elon Musk

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was pissed and, oh, now you're sanctioning me. I'm trying

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to use x and Twitter to do all of these things,

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and now I have to be fine, that's sanctioned. I

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have to pay a fine because of all of these things,

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because of your European laws. In Europe, it's like, yeah,

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we're sovereign. This is called the European Union. Then there

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are countries within the European Union. This is how we

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this is how we are handling our own affairs. Just

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think about it like this. Though Cohen has the Trump

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regime imposed sanctions on Saudi Arabia for free speech censorship

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where the platform is literally not even allowed. Are they

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doing sanctions against Hungary? Are they doing sanctions against China

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for the result of censorship. You're censoring Europe for free speech,

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and so Europe pass to now think about how it responds.

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Wait a minute, we're getting State Department sanctions against Europe

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at the same time trum is rolling back at sanctions

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against Russia. You remember when we were covering what was

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it three months ago, when Donald Trump and everybody in

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the regime was like, yep, we're gonna do secondary sanctions

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against Russia if they don't agree to a piece deal.

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are sanctions to begin with. So here we are right

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before New Year's Not only is there no secondary sanctions,

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they've removed the underlying sanctions and now they're sanctioning Europe.

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Speaker 2: And what's happened to the primary sanctions against Russia for

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just as the latest in terms of censorship on any

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media or any statements which are made that is not

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beneficial to the Kremlin, beneficial to putin himself. I mean,

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at some point in time, you know this is the problem.

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Right Again, what you're doing is you're cozying up to

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our adversaries at the expense of our allies, and that's

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never going to work out well for us. You know.

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Speaker 1: Just think about the news like as Trump's trying to

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cover up the Epstein files and we'll talk about that

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in a bit. You know, one of the things that

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he does is he strikes inside of Nigeria, Northwest Nigeria.

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He says he's going after ISIS targets there. He says

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that you know, ISIS is out there targeting the Christians,

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that they're focused on the Christians in Nigeria, and he

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said I gave him a warning and I had to

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do it because they keep attacking Christians. So let's be clear, right, Cohen.

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I mean, just think about how this is reported. It's

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reported as Donald Trump engages and strike against ISIS for

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attacking Christians. Why because that's what Donald Trump said, right.

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I did a substack post on this earlier this morning

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at midas plus dot com. By the way, subscribe to

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Coen substack as well. But on midas plus dot com,

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I said, can we just address this critically if we're

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talking about ISIS attacks in Nigeria. It's not uniquely going

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after Christians. Right, you have certain groups like Boca Haram,

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Isle of the West and these groups. First off, didn't

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Donald Trump say that he destroyed ISIS and it doesn't

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exist anymore?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: Right, that's what he said, that he destroyed it. It

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no longer exists. Okay, So or they're so afraid of

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him that they're not doing anything right now, Well, obviously

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that's false. Don't you think that should be pointed out?

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look at the data, it's Christians and Muslims alike. Don't

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you think that should be pointed out? You don't think

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it's suspicious either that he's doing this on Christmas to

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protect the Christians on Christmas. Then that's what he's actually

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said to Politico. I wanted to save it for Christmas.

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So what was this? It was like a pr military

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strike on Christmas to protect the Christians and to say

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that's what's happening. And then it's just it gets digested

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by our media or propagandized as though this is as

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though this is what it is, and it actually creates

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it creates more issues than it actually solves because now

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Nigeria has to save face. So they put out a statement, Oh,

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we knew about this, No, they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Know it, right, That's what I wanted to bring up

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that what happens is post fact they're concerned because you

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have a president who is willing to in an unhinged manner,

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to go ahead and to I don't know, interfear right

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with with Nigeria's I don't know whether it be armaments

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or has oil and lithium, right, and you know they

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don't want to end up being on his shit list

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right now, So let me be very clear. They come

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up with a statement that says, yes, we knew about it.

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Not only did we know about it, we were involved

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how how because my understanding is that this was a

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US This was a US completely sanctioned operation that has

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been pointed out accurately shouldn't even have happened because the

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previous and the current Trump administration has already gotten rid

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of ices all together. They don't exist. They ran for

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the hills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it requires congressional authorization, so it's unlawful to

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begin with without congressional authorization and for all of those reasons.

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And then Nigeria has to put out a statement and says, well,

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we're here to protect all people in Nigeria, whether they're Muslim, Christian, etc.

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So then though, other African nations have to look at

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this and they have to say, you know, do we

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need to more firmly align with China? Do we need

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to more firmly align with others to protect ourselves? Do

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we need to try to access nuclear weapons because we

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need some deterrent against this. So obviously Trump's looking at

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countries that have lithium and oil that he could pick on,

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whether it's Venezuela or whether it's Nigeria or wherever, and

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he's creating pretexts in order to do many invasions or

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invasions there and to attack both for the benefit of

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his bloodlust, for his desire to put his right wing

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oligar billionaires in there to suck up the oil and

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the lithium and all of that, which is what he

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says he's doing also in Venezuela. But we need to

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report on these things the way we just did. Hear

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and ultimately, here's the thing, Cohen, if armed with those

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facts that I just gave Congress, says Okay, we still

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think you should do this or the people watching this go, Ben,

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we appreciate it, but we now understand that there is,

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indeed isis in Nigeria. That's that is true, Yeah, and

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that they have done attacks on Muslims and Christians about

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an equal level. That a lot of this is about, uh,

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you know, should should we try to lower our oil

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prices here by taking Nigeria's oil? And we need rare

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earth elements and we see China cutting us off from

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rare earth elements even though Trump claims they're not, but

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they are. Nigeria has you know, some of the stuff.

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They have, lithium, they have other stuff, you know. Armed

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with those facts, the American people go, you know what, Ben,

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we want war. We're a conquering nation manifest destiny. This

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is what I don't want that. Let me be very clear.

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I don't want that one bit. But shouldn't we have

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the information and isn't that what our checks and balances

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and our system was created for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a reason why you need Congress

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to be involved. That you can't have the decision to

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engage in war in the hands of only one person.

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You know, understand that it's been a very long time

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since the United States had a war on its soil

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up until again until nine to eleven, right when they

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attacked America. So yeah, you know they went, they attacked

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you know isis in this western area of Nigeria. But

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the reason that you have Congress and others getting involved

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is because the last thing we want is for violence

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to take place, for a war to take place here

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on American soil. You know, when you start doing things

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like this, you open up the world, right, you know,

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you open up the attacks in America, uh and against Americans,

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and you know what, it's stupid, especially when it's not

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even necessary.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you gave this example or if

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I heard it somewhere else, but you know John McCain,

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late great senator, courageous, you know when he was when

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he was captured in the Vietnam War and he became

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a prisoner of war. What it yeah? You know, yeah,

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I think, yeah, imagine if they said, hey, look guess

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what the US they're out there killing you know, people

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on fishing boats. They're not taking prisoners of war. They

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don't follow rules of war, rules of surrender, so we're

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just gonna kill him and won't kill any of U.

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And then we go whoa, wha, whoa, whoa, you did it.

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Speaker 2: You did it.

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Speaker 1: You're the US. So a rules based order is important,

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and eroding the rules based order brings us to a

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position that we're in right now. And the position that

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we're in, frankly, is the position where the world was

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kind of right before. Go back and read books on

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World War One to a lesser extent, but saying World

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War two, because the issues of World War One were

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not really fully resolved, leading to kind of World War

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two thereafter. But there's a whole thing there. But like

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you can see what the failure of a rules based

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world order led to world wars. Sure, and so we

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had built these systems, and the United States was at

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the forefront to avoid the exact situations so that history

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wouldn't repeat itself. It's the old adage, right, history repeats itself,

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and you got to be able to see history and

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try to make moves to block it.

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Speaker 2: War is so it's so there's such a finality to war.

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It's what I had said to you in the past

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that at least there is some semblance of honor during war, right, rape, pillage, murder,

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not acceptable right to civilians and so on. That's all

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being thrown out. It's exactly the point that Ben is

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trying to make here, So you know, so Astutelee by

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the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, here's what I want to talk about

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also though too, like there's two things I want to

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talk about Trump's Epstein cover up, because we've got more

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data right now. Midas Touch was the first to report

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about one point two million missing records in the Southern

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District of New York, and then within twelve hours the

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DOJ posted, oh, we found one point two million records

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in the Southern District. No, they knew about that since

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twenty twenty. That was in the existing files. The first

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thing you would do if you were gathering documents for

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a production, as you'd reach out, you'd say, who are

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your custodians? That's the that's the term that's used in

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electronic discovery. Who are my custodians? Southern District of New York.

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Check Southern District of Florida. Check maybe the Treasury Department

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because banking records and suspicious activity reports. Check who else?

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Main Justice? Check all of the civil cases we have.

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All of that, you make you make your production forthwith

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and you go through it takes about ninety days. I

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think to go through all of this if you started

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in February, if you were dealing, if you had five

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people reviewing it probably take ninety days. If you had

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ten people reviewing it, I think it would take sixty days.

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If you had one hundred people or one thousand people,

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it should take you weeks. But I'll give you the

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benefit of the doubt and say forty five days. But

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right now, the way they've handled this couldn't be worse,

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couldn't be worse. So I want to talk about that.

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And then one of the other stories that the Minas

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touched broke, which I don't think it's enough attention, are

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these scammy trump emails that he sends on Christmas and

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in general. And if you look at these emails, the

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scam is so flagrant and it's so abusive, and it's

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so heinous. And just to tease a little bit of

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what we'll talk about, go to that last thing where

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it has you click where you think you're basically clicking,

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like you know the normal box, Like I've read a

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disclaimer right, and it says like alert democrats are gaining momentum,

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keep this box check to support MAGA in this do

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or die battle. You see how that's in red, then

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another color underneath it says donate an additional twenty five

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hundred dollars automatically on December thirty first. So you may

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think you're clicking this box, like let's say you've donated

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X dollars. You think you're clicking a box to say

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I support Trump by clicking this box, then if you

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didn't read it under you just gave the guy twenty

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five hundred more dollars by December thirty first. I mean,

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it's some heinous stuff. Let's talk about that.

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Speaker 2: We go back. Can we just go back to that

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for one quick second. I want you to turn around

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to see you got what forty seven dollars, which of

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course is to represent him as the forty seven president.

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But then it goes to one hundred. Jeremy, can you

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post that for one second? After one hundred, I think

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it goes to two point fifty, right, forty seven one hundred,

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two fifty five hundred, one thousand, twenty five hundred. On

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Christmas when he's telling people your kid doesn't need a

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dozen dollars two is more than enough, or people complaining.

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You could try, you could take that down to people

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complaining that they don't have money for medication, for fuel,

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for insurance. Right, but that's okay, twenty five hundred dollars.

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Look at the numbers that you're talking about. This isn't

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like a five dollars or a one dollar. I mean

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you're talking about. This is real dollars that people don't have.

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Speaker 1: Let's go through this email together, and I'm told we

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actually don't have an ad break today, so we can

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we could. That's good. So let's just take a look

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it right here. So here's the email that you get

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on Christmas from Trump. Let's say you're a Trump supporter.

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You get this right from Trump. I'm in your chimney,

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Merry Christmas, I spent. I sent you a special Christmas letter.

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So you open it up and it says I sent

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you a special Christmas letter from Trump to a very

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loyal MAGA patriot. It says I sent you a special

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Christmas letter. But my team says that it went to

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the wrong address. So I guess I'll stick to emails

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from here on out. So pause right there. It already

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starts with a deception that he sent you a letter

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in the mail, and the reason that you, as a

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Trump supporter, did not get it is because it must

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have been the wrong address. So he's already lying about

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sending you a letter. So then it goes on to say,

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so please consider this my way of saying thank you,

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Merry Christmas, and God bless you for standing with me

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when our country needs it the most. Then it says

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confirm address because he's already lied and says that he

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sent you a letter to the wrong address. So now

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you're like, oh my god, I could have got a

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letter from this guy is in his own handwriting. I

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have to confirm my address. So then you click confirm address, click,

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and then it brings you to this claim a Gift

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from Trump. Then it says claim a gift from Trump.

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So now you click it and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Doesn't even ask you to confirm the address. Now I'm

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gonna get a gift now, Cohen, if you're looking at this,

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and it says claim gift from Trump and then below

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it our dollar amounts, and then it says claim gift

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from Trump. Doesn't that look like to you that he's

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giving you that gift.

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Speaker 2: For Christmas, He's giving you some gift. But what I

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think is the funniest part about that, let's just put

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it up for one second again. What I find to

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be the funniest is if you donate fifty cents, you

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get nothing. If you donate a dollar one you get nothing.

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It starts out, you only get the gift starting at

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forty seven dollars up to the twenty five hundred dollars mark.

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But you want if you want that gift, not sure

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what it is, right if you if you have no

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idea what that gift could possibly be. But in order

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to even find out, you gotta invest forty seven bucks.

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Speaker 1: That's yes, or you yeah, Or you think that you're

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getting a gift in the amount of twenty five hundred

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dollars or one thousand, and you may go, well, h

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I'd want the I'd want a gift for twenty five

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hundred dollars, not that I'm giving Trump twenty five hundred dollars.

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What kind of gift do you give the guy? That's

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not a gift? So so you click twenty five hundred

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and then as you're looking at it, you know how

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all of these emails have like an disclaimer thing that

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you click. So the disclaimer is is this, but it's

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not a disclaimer. It says alert Democrats are gaining serious momentum.

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They're relentless attacks fueled by millions of dollars in dark

476
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money are paying off. MAGA is on the brink of disaster,

477
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and it's time to sound the alarm. Trump can't hold

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back the woke mob alone. Keep this box checked to

479
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support MAGA in this do or die battle. So some

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people may read only that because below it in spacing,

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it's kind of this gray font. But if let's just

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say you check it, what you've just checked is that

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now you're donating an additional twenty five hundred dollars automatically

484
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on December thirty first. So you may have thought you

485
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were getting a gift, and now you've just given Trump

486
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five thousand dollars right now when the economy is And

487
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:07,200
then he sends these though Cohen five six, seven times

488
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a day. I subscribe to the list Serve so people

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don't have to. He sends a barrage of these, and

490
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they're deceptive. Sometimes you're getting a VIP club. Sometimes you're

491
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getting invited to Marrow Lago sometimes you're getting gold status,

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sometimes you're joining his super secret cabinet, and it's all

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throughout the day. And then if you look in the

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very fine print too, it says this and it's green

495
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and heart all the stuff they study over there too

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to find out what font is less likely to be

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rant like, there's a whole method to this scam. And

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then it goes this donation qualifies for the gift offer,

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So you qualify for a potential gift offer. And that's

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how they try to get away with it.

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Speaker 3: I don't get if someone does this to you, and

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I bet you he does this to the I bet

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you some of the same people are clicking that multiple

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times a day, giving them giving him his life savings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's what's crazy. Going back for a quick second

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to the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: No want to talk about the email list anymore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well listen, it's another scam, you know. Listen,

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He's got guys who are making a fortune. I'll never forget.

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I saw Trump explode, And when I mean explode, I

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mean explode. What was say Brad Parscal used to run

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under the first administration he ran in twenty seventeen, when

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Trump had taken It was some event that took place.

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It was during the year of twenty seventeen, and Brad Parscal,

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who basically never in his entire life had made probably

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more than three four hundred thousand dollars a year. He

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had a his Ferrari, which was a brand new red Ferrari,

518
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parked right in front and Trump was like, oh, who's

519
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ferrari is that? So he goes it's mine. He then

520
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found out, I think press Brad Parscal made something like

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seventeen million dollars off of the funds that came in.

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He took a percentage of it, and he was like,

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you know, it wouldn't make a difference. People did it

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for me. He exploded on him. In fact, they were

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getting rid of him. I don't even know if Brad

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Parscal is even there anymore. But you know, this, this grift,

527
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this is all part of the shtick, from the hats,

528
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to the you know, to the gold cards. Listening for example,

529
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to Howard Lutnik turned around and saying that they took

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in what over one and a half billion dollars already

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in the Trump visa gold card at a million dollars,

532
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What is that that's like fifteen hundred people already bought

533
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:11,079
the gold card, you know, something like that. Fifteen hundred. Really,

534
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,440
who are these fifteen hundred? What is it? You know,

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Russian oligarchs, Chinese dissidents and so on, and people on

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fifteen hundred. I'd like to know where that money is.

537
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I would like to be able to confirm that that

538
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money actually came in and it's not in their pocket,

539
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but it belongs in the coffers of America. That's that's

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my spiel on that. But I want to talk for

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two seconds Ben about like, and you guys were so

542
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great on the Midas Touch Networks platform. Yeah, they recently

543
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a couple out of forty minutes ago posted my substack

544
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,039
of today which I called Trump's million document Migraine, because yeah,

545
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it was Midas Touched network that actually was the first

546
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to report it. But think about this for a quick second.

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As I wrote, I didn't just work for I watched

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him in moments when the cameras were off, the bravado

549
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was gone, and the panic set in. And if you

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want to understand what's happening right now with the Epstein files,

551
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:15,000
you don't need actually you do need to understand this

552
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:24,480
one immutable truth, this immutable truth about Trump, that he

553
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:31,719
believes that silence is survival. Accountability is something that happens

554
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to other people. And that's why this sudden appearance of

555
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these one point something million additional DOJ documents obviously tied

556
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to Epstein. It's not just bureaucratic incompetence, because that's what

557
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they're trying to say. It's not. It's psychological exposure.

558
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Speaker 1: Two things. One, I'm reading this Business Insider article that

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talks about FEC filings from twenty twenty companies owned by

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Donald Trump's campaign manager I have received nearly forty million

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dollars from Trump's reelection committee. According to a new report,

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companies owned by Brad Parskell, the president's confident and combative

563
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,760
campaign manager, I, have already collected nearly forty million dollars

564
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this cycle. Pars SkELL was doing coding and website designed

565
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for Trump pre twenty sixteen, but from January twenty seven

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to the end of March, he got thirty eight point

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nine million through those companies. According to FEC filings reviewed

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for a new huff Post report, most presidential campaign managers

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make low six figures Parskell has made some notable purchases,

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including a Ferrari range rover, a four hundred thousand dollars

571
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vote two million dollar condos, and a two point four

572
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:45,679
million dollar waterfront house in Fort Lauder's business insiders reporting there.

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Moving over to talk about, you know, the Epstein files.

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You know, it never made sense to me when people

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were reporting like hundreds of thousands of documents like that

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just never made sense. You and I have talked about

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this before, but I've been involved in cases with very

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big document productions, and when I just my understanding of

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the Epstein case, if you just from all of the evidence,

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there's what about a billion dollars in potential money laundering

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that was being investigated, and they were all of these

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suspicious activity reports that were being flagged by JP Morgan,

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Deutsche Bank and others. And so the bank records alone,

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if we're talking about billions of dollars of transactions taking place,

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the bank records could be millions of pages just the

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bank records, because just think about it, these bank records

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are generated monthly, sometimes even daily or weekly. Just think

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about what those records would look like. And then Epstein

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had all these other LLCs that we know about from

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the various civil cases, and some that we probably don't

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know about. There's at least ten other co conspirators that

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we know about who are being investigated by the DOJ,

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despite cash pattel line during his congressional testimony and saying

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there are so there's likely a whole host of documents,

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bank records, emails that they were required to produce those

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those ten unindicted co conspirators or co conspirators who never

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so to me, I always just intuitively thought, based on

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my experience, that we're talking about millions and millions of records,

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hundreds of thousands make no sense at all. And so

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when I was reviewing the documents, I saw that one

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that said one point two million records that were being

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imaged by SD and Y with the Bates numbers or

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the document numbers SD and Y production zero zero eight

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to zero zero fourteen. So naturally I also asked, okay, well,

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where's zero zero one to zero zero seven, because that's

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probably additional, And is there SD and Y production zero

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zero fifteen to say zero zero fifty? We don't know.

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And that was just the Epstein case in SD and

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why not the Glaye case. So there's another workspace for

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Gilane right. Then there'll be more workspaces for the Florida documents,

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the Southern District of Florida documents, the state case documents

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in Florida as well, and then all of the civil cases,

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the international cases, the Virgin Island cases.

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Speaker 2: All of the ben don't forget all of the depositions

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and all of the testimony from all of the witnesses.

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I mean, think about what. There were hundreds and hundreds

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of people who were questioned by the FBI. Each one

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becomes a report. Each one of those reports, especially in

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a case like this, could be several hundred pages long.

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I mean, that's hundreds of thousands of pages in and

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of itself.

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Speaker 1: At least at least and so you know, so I

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guess how would you go about? People would ask, how

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would you go about? Even knowing the universe of documents,

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Let me tell you how I would do it. As

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a litigator, when I used to do cases like this,

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you would do your document production requests to the other side,

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and you would also do what are called special interrogatories

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or requests for information and then requests for admissions. So

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in my production of documents, and in my request for

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admissions specific and my special interrogatories. Rather, I would ask

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for questions. I would say, tell me all of the

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sources where documents are held, like where are name me

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all of the individuals who have emailed in connection with

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this with the file, send me you know, where are

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the hard drives? Which phones were used? And then you go, well, Ben,

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you ask them what if they lie? Well, oftentimes they do,

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So what do you do Thereafter? You notice the deposition

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of somebody in the law we called a PMK or

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a PMQ, a person most knowledgeable or a person who's

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got the most access, a person most qualified to testify

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on a specific subject. So you would often take a deposition.

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My first depot would sometimes be of the IT guy,

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of the individuals who were involved in this search, and

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I would go and I would ask them under oath,

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tell me all the categories. Boom boom, boom, And you

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would create a list of all of the categories and

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you would figure it out that way. You would also

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issue third party subpoenas, So in this case you would

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do what the Democrats in the House Oversight Committee did, right,

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get that subpoena of the Epstein estate, because we know

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the DOJ has records from the Epstein estate. Then you

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would go say to yourself, Wow, the estate produced all

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of these records. They turned over those same records to

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the d The DOJ didn't turn those over to me.

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There must be something being hidden. And then what you

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would do, Cohen, when all else would fail and you

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would show the judge look at all of their conduct,

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you would then request that what's called a special master

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or a discovery referee be appointed, and the judge would

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appoint a neutral third party who would literally go into

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the documents, and if one side was obstructing, usually that

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side would have to pay for the special master or

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the referee, and they would be reporting to the court

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and almost take it over like a receiver. And by

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the way, that's happened in a lot of Trump cases

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if you go back where special masters had to be

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appointed because they were not providing the information that was requested.

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So that's the process that would take place. How do

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you apply that here? Well, I think that what's needed

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is with some of these federal courts that have jurisdiction,

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a discovery referee or a special master somewhat independent needs

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to be appointed forthwith that needs to be requested and

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that person needs to get in there and make these

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documents available to the public. And you know, unfortunately the

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taxpayers are going to have to pay for it. Going

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what were the taxpayers paying for? As Jason Leopold from

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Bloomberg exposed, when there were one thousand FBI and nine

679
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:28,920
thirty seven is the exact number, it's round up two

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one thousand. I always want to be specific, though, when

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a thousand DOJFBI officials starting from March, we're looking at this,

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what were they doing? What were they what could they

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possibly have been doing? A thousand of them that now

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it's not ready in now it's not ready in I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, because all I know is when the FBI

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came raided my home, hotel, my law office, there were

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more than ten million documents that were seized that we

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had to go through. It took, believe or not, it

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took about five days just to beta stamp each and

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every document and to have it put up into a file.

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We finished that myself with eight different people. We've finished

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going through all the documents, all the all the pictures,

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all the audios, everything. We went through everything in under

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just under thirty days, right under thirty one days and

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thirty days we had we had it finished because we

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worked round the clock. Let me be very clear about something.

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Could they have done it? Absolutely were they obviously not

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providing the documents, absolutely, one hundred percent. But more importantly,

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this is where, this is where we're at. And you

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know what, there's one additional thing, Ben that you could

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00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,480
have thrown in in your incredible analysis here. When you

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depose somebody, the very first thing that every lawyer says

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to the person being deposed is that understand that you

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are being deposed, that you are, that your words are

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being taken down by a by a stenographer. You know,

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you're required to tell the truth. If in fact that

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you're not, you can be held, you know, under the

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penalty of perjury, which carries you know, not just fines

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but also potential incarceration. You know, you can. This is

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how you sort of started off. Let me be really clear.

711
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,840
So those people who turn around and that they lie

712
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,599
and they you know, it's one thing. If you don't

713
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:42,079
know the answer, just say I don't know. You know,

714
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:44,840
it's okay. I know a lot of people here, you know,

715
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,159
they're like, oh, you know, ask Cohen, he knows, he

716
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,760
knows how many times? How many times? When I tell you,

717
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,760
I truly don't know the answer. If I knew the answer,

718
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,920
I would have told everybody. I would have told the courts.

719
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,440
I would have told Congress during the multitude of time,

720
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:05,400
seven congressional hearings, two grand juries, two trials, other depositions

721
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,599
as well. Right, I would have said it. If you

722
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:11,159
don't know, you don't know, that's okay. But it's the

723
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,760
lying which ultimately said, if you do know where the

724
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,000
files are being held, if the it guy turns around

725
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,000
and says that this is it, and that's not only it.

726
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,039
We saw what happened in the documents case when they

727
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:28,000
filed what was that an affidavit that there were no

728
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,920
more documents that were there, and they had this one

729
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:38,039
young female attorney you know, sign that document. She was

730
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:42,280
up for perjury. And that's what ultimately happens. You can

731
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:42,840
go to jail.

732
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: Let me, you know, to tie this all together. Also,

733
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:51,199
let's talk about something that's really getting under reported today.

734
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,239
But hat tip to Josh Gerstein does a really good

735
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,079
job at flagging these things as well. Justin this is

736
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:03,000
from today the Department of just tells the Federal court

737
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:07,440
that it can't delete the classified info from James Comy's

738
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:11,519
friend Daniel Richmond by Monday, as required by the last

739
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:16,320
court order. They ask for another week. Doj can't carry

740
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,719
out deletion by Monday. It's a it's a good tweet,

741
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,599
but I think most people who read that passed by it,

742
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,599
like why does this matter? Like what does that even mean?

743
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,719
And it ties actually into the Epstein files issue, and

744
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,679
it ties into Lindsay hall again, And this is why

745
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,039
we need to make these connections and tie everything, you know,

746
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:40,280
all together. So just just to remind everybody, Daniel Richmond

747
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,480
was James Comy's lawyer and an FBI agent who testified

748
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,159
at the grand jury against Komy was utilizing attorney client

749
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:56,639
communications between Daniel Richmond and Komy, which is a big

750
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:59,800
no no. And that's the sole evidence that was being

751
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,639
used against Komy from Komy's own lawyer, not by actually

752
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,920
bringing in Comy's lawyer Richmond, by bringing in an FBI

753
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,400
agent who was not supposed to see the communications. So

754
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,360
if Lindsay Halligan was not disqualified, I think there were

755
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,400
a lot of other grounds that that case would have

756
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,679
been thrown out on so Daniel Richmond, after the Kobe

757
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,480
case gets dismissed, he files a lawsuit against the DOJ saying,

758
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:29,360
you've engaged in an unlawful search and seizure of our

759
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,599
attorney client information. Delete it, you're not allowed to see it,

760
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:37,880
and return it. And a federal judge said, correct, that

761
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,920
was stolen, that Trump's government stole your attorney client communications

762
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,400
and didn't have a warrant for it. So if they

763
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,440
want to go and try to get a warrant for it,

764
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,519
do that. Make that case to the judges at the

765
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:54,800
Eastern District of Virginia. But delete it by Monday, December

766
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,400
twenty ninth, or whatever the day is. Delete it by then, Cohen,

767
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,440
How hard would it be to just lead it?

768
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: Just delete it, return I don't know, depending upon how

769
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,440
many documents. I know, there's somewhere between thirty seconds and

770
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,679
five minutes.

771
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: Delete it right, return it and delete it. Not a

772
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,239
difficult task. But today the lawyers at the DOJ, Lindsey Halligan,

773
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,679
who signed this, saying that she's still the US attorney

774
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,039
from the Eastern District of Virginia. She's still claiming she

775
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:31,239
has the role after she was disqualified the audacity, right,

776
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:38,079
How crazy is that she goes? She goes emergency motion, emergency,

777
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,119
she says, memorandum regarding emergency for extension of time to

778
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:45,400
certify compliance emergence.

779
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,039
Speaker 2: Let's read it.

780
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,199
Speaker 1: The court on this. This is what it says. The

781
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,320
Court on December twelfth. Cohen, this was weeks ago. Made

782
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,719
this order. The Court on December twelfth order that petitioner's

783
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,679
return property was granted and that the images of Richmond's

784
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:03,559
person computer that the United States made in twenty seventeen

785
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,199
be deleted and it be returned.

786
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:05,559
Speaker 2: Okay.

787
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: Then you go to paragraph seven and it says, However,

788
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:14,079
because of significant operational constraints by the imminent Christmas and

789
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:19,079
New Year's holidays i e. Lack of sufficient technically qualified

790
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,719
government personnel in the Washington DC area for the remainder

791
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,039
of this week and the next, which make the current

792
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:31,239
compliance deadline fall a mere one business day after the

793
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,400
Court's revised clarifying order, the government anticipates that it will

794
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,360
not be able to review all electronic storage devices containing

795
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:47,039
classified information, delete that information, and return those devices to

796
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,880
Richmond's council by December twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, and

797
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,960
then I'll go try to find the document. But this

798
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,199
is signed by Lindsay Halligan. I'll just I'll make the

799
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,639
representation that she signs it along with hod Blanche so Cohen.

800
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,320
They're saying they do not have the technical personnel in Washington,

801
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,679
DC to meet a very basic deadline.

802
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:14,599
Speaker 2: Well that is because they took everybody off of that

803
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,960
in order to review the documents on this one point

804
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,559
two million dollars one point two million documents fined by

805
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:26,679
the Southern District and elsewhere. That's what I mean, that's

806
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:28,559
what they told about. At one point in time, they

807
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:34,360
claimed that there was almost a thousand prosecutors and qualified

808
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,800
individuals to go through the documents for the redaction, despite

809
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,519
not ever making what's called the redaction report. They just

810
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:48,880
redacted it based upon a four page instruction sheet on

811
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,440
what they wanted redacted from these files. This whole entire

812
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,880
process has been nothing shy of a clusterfuck of incompetence.

813
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,639
Speaker 1: It is the worst way to handle this and to

814
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,599
hear from the victims and survivors about how traumatized this

815
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,880
process has made them. And I think about in my

816
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:22,880
past practice having represented victims and survivors in both criminal cases,

817
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,119
working with victims, advocates that the courts appoint to victims

818
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:31,239
and survivors. You know, there was a whole division in

819
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,199
the DOJ and go and look it up that the

820
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,599
Trump regime has gutted that deals with helping victims and

821
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:45,760
providing resources to victims with everything from mental health services

822
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,719
to having dedicated people work with them, like spend time

823
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,840
with them, because the people have recognized how difficult the

824
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,599
process for people who suffer PTSD is, retraumatizing if it's

825
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:06,199
not handled the right way. And with Trump saying it's

826
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:11,079
a hoax and saying, oh, well, these documents are fabricated,

827
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,639
and we produce fabricated documents.

828
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:16,679
Speaker 2: Haha, Well, why just.

829
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:19,519
Speaker 1: Assume for the sake of argument that there are that

830
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,280
for example, and then when you'll give the two fingers Saluto,

831
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,079
just assume our guendo for the sake of argument, that

832
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:30,800
the Epstein Nasser letter is not real despite having lots

833
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,039
of innditia that the FBI in twenty twenty took it credibly.

834
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:41,239
Why would you prioritize the production then, unless you're trying

835
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,119
to hurt the victim's psyche, why would you prioritize the

836
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:51,440
bad documents instead of the victim interviews, survivor interviews, FBI

837
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:55,840
witness statements, depositions, and the stuff that would be elucidating

838
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:02,719
and illuminating. You intentionally picked fabricaded evidence without context and

839
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,519
threw it out there when you said you were prioritizing

840
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:10,760
credible information to then say, gotcha, psych it's actually fabricated

841
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,039
to begin with, unless your goal is to basically make

842
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,960
it so that the entire production is like you can't

843
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,599
trust anything up is down, left is right. War's piece,

844
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,440
you know, but that's the regimes view on everything. Cohen,

845
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:28,559
two finger salute before we go. We've got a big

846
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,800
audience today. Who are you gonna give the two fingers salute?

847
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's a tough one because so many people

848
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:43,199
actually deserve it. The ongoing continuous lies in regard to

849
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,559
the Epstein files, including from the Michael haters that are

850
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:53,039
out there that want to affiliate me with the Katie

851
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,960
Johnson case. Let me be crystal clear once again, since

852
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,920
there is a large audience, I had nothing to do

853
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:03,440
with the Katie Johnson case. In fact, all you need

854
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,840
to do is to look it up yourself. That file

855
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,840
is being handled by Alan Garton, whose general counsel to

856
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:16,199
the Trump organization on behalf of Katie Johnson, it's Lisa Bloom,

857
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,480
who happens to be the daughter of Gloria Already. What

858
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,880
I know, I know, and most of you who are

859
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,039
following us and have been following this program, Political Beatdown,

860
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,119
my Just Touched Network. My appearance is you know, on

861
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:36,199
television or my Maya Kulpa podcasts, which this right now

862
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,280
happens to be with Aaron Parness. So to those of

863
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,800
you that are like, oh my god, what happened with

864
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,960
you on lev all you need to do is listen

865
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,679
to that podcast it's the one with the blue background icon,

866
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,320
or my YouTube wherever I show up. You know, you

867
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:53,760
all who know me know that if I know the

868
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,639
answer to something, I actually put it out there again.

869
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:03,119
Seven congressional committees, sixty three hours of testimony, maybe the

870
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:07,599
most in history, two grand juries, two trials, one civil,

871
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,800
one criminal, and they keep asking me. Don't ask me

872
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,719
if you don't believe it. If you don't believe it,

873
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,559
call up Lisa Bloom. She'll tell you that Katie Johnson

874
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,840
and the case that I dealt with, which was a

875
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,400
Jane Doe, are not the same people. So I don't

876
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,159
know why people want to refuse to understand that at

877
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:31,519
this point in time. To those of you who continue

878
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:35,000
to push this Katie Johnson narrative on me, I want

879
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:39,960
to see Katie Johnson's case actually resolve, and I want

880
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,119
to know who was involved, and I want that individual

881
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,440
or individuals to be held accountable to the fullest extent

882
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:50,639
of the law. So to those that just want to

883
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,840
keep fighting us, hit this finger, all right, the big

884
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,079
fuck you to you, all all right, because I can't

885
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:01,760
say it anymore and I refuse to now the other finger.

886
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,440
The other finger gets left to the cash Ptels and

887
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,840
the Pam Bondi's why, because they know exactly what they're doing,

888
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,079
all right. What they're doing is they are drip drip drippingess.

889
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,440
Whereby again, there the amount of documents that are being

890
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:26,719
duplicative or triplicate or quadruplicate, and so it makes having

891
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,920
the ability to review these documents, It makes having the

892
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,840
ability to review these not by people like Ben or

893
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,880
myself or the entire staff that Minus Touched network, which

894
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,159
is the only place to get truth anymore, all right,

895
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,000
it makes it impossible because you are going through so

896
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,719
many documents. Then you're like, hold, I saw that document before,

897
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,039
not once, not twice. Oh my god, this is now

898
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:52,719
the fourth time I've seen it. Three freaking times. It

899
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,480
is impossible to keep your head straight because the way

900
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:00,000
that they're dropping it out it is designed to frustrate up.

901
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,599
We're not gonna let it happen. But let me be

902
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,719
very very clear to each and every one of you,

903
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:08,800
it is a ton of work, more than what it

904
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,960
already would be if in fact that they released the

905
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:16,400
entire file as requested, as required by law. So to

906
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,639
PAM Bonding and cash Ptel and all of those that

907
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:24,639
are involved in this drip drip drip, fuck you on

908
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:25,199
that one.

909
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,039
Speaker 1: Then I'll leave everybody with this. Let me just take

910
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:34,679
a look at the at the calendar here Cohen, December

911
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,719
twenty sixth, we come back and have another beatdown right

912
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,760
before before New Years. There's one more, so I'll give

913
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,280
a broader reflection on New Year. So I'll give a

914
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,599
shorter reflection right now. Which is one of the things

915
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:55,239
that I've been most proud of at the Mitas Touch Network.

916
00:58:56,119 --> 00:59:01,880
It's doing my best to support independent me generally and

917
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:07,960
inspiring others to build independent media platforms. I don't view

918
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:12,679
the ones that we've inspired out there as competition. I

919
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,559
don't view things that way, And in fact, I love

920
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:19,320
to see a younger generation out there of great hosts

921
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:25,639
who are out there getting truthful information out right. I mean,

922
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:31,519
corporate news has all this right wing oligark money, limitless resources.

923
00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:36,159
But the way independent media is going to thrive is

924
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:38,679
to have a lot of voices out there. Now. The

925
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,440
Minus Touched network is the biggest in the space. We

926
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,199
don't just lead independent news, we lead corporate news. More

927
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:49,519
people watch this than watch Fox or CNN, and so

928
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:53,880
I've always viewed it as a personal responsibility to do

929
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:57,519
my best to promote as best as I can other

930
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:03,199
independent media platforms, and to also use my platform and

931
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,960
my voice here as best as I can to be

932
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:12,639
a unifying force, because right now we need unity and

933
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:17,599
we need unifying forces because what we're taking on, what

934
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,400
the challenges are, it's really a life or death, do

935
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:27,960
or die situation in our country, and so I just

936
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:32,840
think that it bears emphasizing that. What's been an incredible

937
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,599
experience for me is if I've been able to uplift

938
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:40,800
whether someone's on the Midas Touch network or not trying

939
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,280
to trying, you know, and look, it's a big network

940
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,800
right now, with a huge staff at this point and

941
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:49,840
lots of writers and lots of editors, and it's it's

942
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,559
sprawling in scope. But to do the best to unify

943
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:55,920
a unity, I think is one of the most is

944
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,679
one of the most important things that I emphasize, you know,

945
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over and over and over again here forever, for everybody,

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and I think it's what this community deserves, it's what

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this community wants, and to see others thrive in this

948
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space is great. That's kind of If you ask me

949
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what one of the things I want the legacy of

950
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Midas to be, it's really about the movement of independent

951
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media generally during a time when corporate news bent the knee.

952
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That's what I feel strongly about. So from the bottom

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of my heart, Merry Christmas to everybody, Happy Holidays, Happy Honka,

954
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Thank you all so much. We're grateful for you, we

955
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appreciate you, and we'll see you next time on Political Beatdown.

956
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Shout out beat Down Brigaders, and shout out Midas Mighty.

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We appreciate you all so much that we do