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<v Speaker 1>My Bill Cunningham, the great American to course our governor,

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<v Speaker 1>as Governor Mike Dwine finds myself somewhere in Cleveland this

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon trying to get out. I'm sure, and nonetheless, Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Dwine, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, Governor, the last couple of days, I've

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<v Speaker 1>watched the criminal activities of seemingly a deranged, homicidal fool

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<v Speaker 1>who tried to kill your fellow Governor Josh Shapiro by

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<v Speaker 1>fire bombing his home. I'm amazed, first of all, that

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<v Speaker 1>this person can get over a fence, have a Molotov

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<v Speaker 1>cocktails home brew, throw it through a window, walk in,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said he had a mallet with him, that

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was gonna kill Josh Shapiro. If the

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<v Speaker 1>Governor had come down the steps saying what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>we could have had a real tragedy. Part of the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of being in public life that you've been there

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<v Speaker 1>for I guess half century or more, is is there's

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<v Speaker 1>some nut jobs that may want to come after you.

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<v Speaker 1>You've I've been kind enough being invited to your home

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<v Speaker 1>and I noticed there was one or two highway patrolman

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<v Speaker 1>standing around, but not I don't know about two o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, did what happen to Governor Josh Shapiro

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<v Speaker 1>calls you any alarm or concern about your own physical safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, you know, our heart goes out

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<v Speaker 2>to the Shapiro's. Uh, you know, I texted him as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as I've found out. We had worked together on

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<v Speaker 2>different things having to do with the border when we

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<v Speaker 2>had these Palestine train derailment. You know, that was almost

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<v Speaker 2>right on the border, and so we we we got

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<v Speaker 2>to know each other through that. So, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a shocking thing, a very very you know, very very

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<v Speaker 2>sad situation. I think, you know, every governor around the

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<v Speaker 2>country and every governor's security uh you know, probably was

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<v Speaker 2>going to at least in theirs, some assessment of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how well are we doing? Uh, you know that's what

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you always do. And you know, we certainly

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<v Speaker 2>have have security. You know, there are people who write letters.

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<v Speaker 2>We get letters that you know are threatening most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time when they check them out. These are people

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<v Speaker 2>who uh you know, aren't aren't really serious, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are people out there. They're bad people out there, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it certainly is concerned. I mean, when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it, Bill, you know just a few years ago

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<v Speaker 2>that uh, you know, there was going to be an

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<v Speaker 2>attempt on the governor Governor Whimmer of Michigan to kidnap her,

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember that, and they you know, they stopped

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<v Speaker 2>that before it actually took place. Uh, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here you've got Michigan, here you've got Pennsylvania. So it's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very concerning.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's talk about the Bengal deal. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you live in Green County and uh, pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to Cincinnati, far away from Cleveland we are this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>But the deal is, it was positioned by the media

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<v Speaker 1>was that the Cleveland Browns were getting six hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty million to Jimmy Haslam to move the Brownies from

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<v Speaker 1>on the Lake to southern Cauyhoga County as part of

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<v Speaker 1>like a two and a half to three billion dollar development,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the Bengals and the Brown family came hat

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<v Speaker 1>in hands. What about us? So I head on Representative

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Bird of New Richmond, who laid out the plans

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<v Speaker 1>as to why the Bengals aren't going to get the money.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Blessing of Coleraine Township said, the Bengals aren't going

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<v Speaker 1>to get the money. It's a different deal. And you're

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<v Speaker 1>the governor, I would ask you, are the Bengals going

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<v Speaker 1>to get three hundred million dollars or so out of

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<v Speaker 1>either either the general revenue fund or through bonding? And

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<v Speaker 1>so the Bengals can do their one third part. According

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<v Speaker 1>to Denise Treehouse, she said, one third from the state,

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<v Speaker 1>one third from the Bengals slash NFL, one third from

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<v Speaker 1>the county. Where do you stand on this shoe of anywhere?

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Mike DeWine, Well, Bill, thanks for asking. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I am a Bengals fan, uh and season ticket holder

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time, you know, enjoy watching them a

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<v Speaker 2>great deal, and so would be my first confession, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess so. But look here, here's how I look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just kind of walk people through this because

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a it's a good question, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>been a lot written and I want to maybe try

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<v Speaker 2>to clarify some things. You know, First of all, the

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<v Speaker 2>state has put money. Taxpayers of the state have put

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<v Speaker 2>money into stadiums going back, uh, you know, sixty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years ago, and it's been you know, off and on.

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<v Speaker 2>Every few years there's been you know, an expansion of

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<v Speaker 2>a ballpark or reconfiguration or building a new one, and

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<v Speaker 2>the state has put some money into it. It's never

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<v Speaker 2>been a huge amount or not a huge percentage. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it has ever been over fifteen percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the total total cost. But we do that and people say,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you do that. Look, we do that because

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<v Speaker 2>part of the quality of life in Ohio, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we have a great quality of life is we

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<v Speaker 2>have great professional sports that are close to virtually everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in the state. We also have theater, we also have

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<v Speaker 2>the arts. We have you know, all kinds of different

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<v Speaker 2>things that make our lives better and sports is one

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<v Speaker 2>of them. And we want to be able to compete

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<v Speaker 2>and keep these teams here in Ohio. So that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to continue. But we have now more sports teams.

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<v Speaker 2>We have two new soccer teams, not you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>real new, but relatively new, and you know, we like them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's great. It looks like it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a women's soccer team that's going to come to Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's going to be another team. And we could

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<v Speaker 2>go on and on, and the truth has been that

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<v Speaker 2>we no longer can afford to take money from the

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<v Speaker 2>general fund, from directly from the tax payers, because when

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<v Speaker 2>we do it, we're taking that directly away from education,

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<v Speaker 2>We're taking away from mental health, We're taking that away

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<v Speaker 2>from you know, helping people who have addictions. But there

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<v Speaker 2>is there is a pathway, uh, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a good pathway. And this is what I

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<v Speaker 2>have suggested to the legislature, and it's what is in

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<v Speaker 2>the what was in the bill that I sent to

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<v Speaker 2>the legislature, and that is that we increase the fee

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<v Speaker 2>or tax, whatever you want to call it on these

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<v Speaker 2>sports gaming companies that are making you know, hundreds and

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of millions of dollars they're taking out out of

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<v Speaker 2>the state every year. Uh, they don't they don't work

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<v Speaker 2>in the state, they don't have employees in the state.

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<v Speaker 2>It all goes outside. And so getting the fee that

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<v Speaker 2>we charge them higher to help us with these stadiums

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<v Speaker 2>in the future makes sense. Frankly, I have to look

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<v Speaker 2>at this from the Bengals point of view, of the

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<v Speaker 2>Browns point of view, or the Reds. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>look at it from you know, the whole state. So

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<v Speaker 2>here's what our proposal would do. Would we would raise

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<v Speaker 2>this sea that we charge these gaming companies. We would

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<v Speaker 2>raise it, take it from twenty to forty. We would

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<v Speaker 2>still not be the highest in the country New York

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<v Speaker 2>State for examples of fifty. This would not come from

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<v Speaker 2>the gamblers, It would not come from the citizens who

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<v Speaker 2>place a bet. It would come directly from these companies.

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<v Speaker 2>We looked the other day bill, for example, at some

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<v Speaker 2>of the states that have low, low tax versus they

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<v Speaker 2>say New York. The odds that these companies were quoting

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<v Speaker 2>was identical in these states. So by putting his tax on,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to hurt or change the odds for

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<v Speaker 2>our gamers. That this would generate somewhere between one hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty to one hundred and eighty to

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ninety million dollars a year. My plan

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<v Speaker 2>would be to put that into a fund, and that

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<v Speaker 2>would be the fund that would grow every year and

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<v Speaker 2>it could be used for all the things you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to put the state share in. It certainly wouldn't pay

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<v Speaker 2>for the renovation of these ballparks the stadiums completely, but

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<v Speaker 2>it would it would do the state share, which we

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<v Speaker 2>should be doing. And it's I think it's a good proposal,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's proposal that I've asked the General Assembly to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>All right now. On that issue, I asked your friend

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Byrd who's in the leadership of the House, about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also ask him about increasing marijuana, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>different issue, and he said he said he's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for that because that's a tax increase. It

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<v Speaker 1>may be a fee increase, but all these conservative Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>have just said we're not doing that. And so because

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<v Speaker 1>we're increasing taxes, how would you respond to the Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Blessing and others who said we're not doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it certainly is better than taking it from

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayers in Ohio. Uh. This is not taking taxpayers Ohio money. UH.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taking it from these gaming companies. They're out of state.

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<v Speaker 1>UH.

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<v Speaker 2>And and they're they're taking hundreds literally hundreds of millions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars in profit every single year. They can they

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<v Speaker 2>can spend a little that money and it would be

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<v Speaker 2>a tax. And again, they're not going to leave Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>or the sixth largest state as far as gaming. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to continue to be here. And just as

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<v Speaker 2>in New York and New Hampshire and some other states

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<v Speaker 2>that have higher fees than we would have or higher

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<v Speaker 2>taxes than we would have, you know, they're not they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to leave uh And so this money, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some justice that seems to me that these gaming companies

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<v Speaker 2>that really don't have any investment, investment in stadiums or

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<v Speaker 2>anything else, would have to pay you know, some of this,

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<v Speaker 2>some of their profit would go towards maintaining the ballparks

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<v Speaker 2>and the stadiums that we have in this in the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, if you're one third of the deal, you're the governor,

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<v Speaker 1>you got the lawmakers or are saying the ones I've

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to are saying no. Also, the Bengals went the

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<v Speaker 1>money up front governor. In other words, according to Denise Streetthouse,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about nine hundred million. They don't want this over

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<v Speaker 1>the next five to ten or twenty years. They need

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<v Speaker 1>it like immediately, like three hundred million dollars from the

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<v Speaker 1>state as the state's part of the puzzle. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>saying that's a non starter.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wouldn't say it's a non starter. What I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying is we can't pay for it out general funds.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't rob education, we can't rob mental health. We

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<v Speaker 2>just can't do that. Bill. Listen to all the people

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<v Speaker 2>who are lining up for money. So the only way

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<v Speaker 2>we can we can effectively do it, is it again,

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<v Speaker 2>of the fee or tax or whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 2>call it, of these gaming companies that are making such

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<v Speaker 2>a huge amount of money. We can do that. We

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<v Speaker 2>can levy that tax or leave that fee and create

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<v Speaker 2>the money. Frankly, that is necessary to meet some of

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<v Speaker 2>these needs. There are all of these needs as you

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<v Speaker 2>see around the state. Now, what percentage the state ends

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<v Speaker 2>up putting in it, I don't know. That would have

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<v Speaker 2>to be determined in the future. The state has put

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<v Speaker 2>in to my recollection bill, and most of the state

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<v Speaker 2>has ever put in I think was fifty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I may be wrong. I have to check, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's so when we're talking about, you know, six

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<v Speaker 2>hundred million from the from for the Browns and trend

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<v Speaker 2>fifty uh you know for the Bengals, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that's impossible. If possible, you can monetize this money. Know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're having a flow of that money coming out. But

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<v Speaker 2>this money would also be available frankly from the minor

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<v Speaker 2>league baseball teams Dayton Dragons for example. You know this,

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<v Speaker 2>this would be available for soccer, you know what, every

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<v Speaker 2>other major league sport that we have in the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Ohio. So you know, why can't guarante see what

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<v Speaker 2>would be available. But again, at one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>to one hundred and eighty a million a year, that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to flow out month after month after month. People

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<v Speaker 2>are not going to stop gaming as much as you

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<v Speaker 2>know we might want them to, but they're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, and so the money is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be their bill to I think, you know, make a

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<v Speaker 2>major contribution, uh to to all of these stadiums when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes time, you know, for them to be rehabbed

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<v Speaker 2>or if there's a building of a new one.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to talked about the coroner's office being eliminated,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll get to that in a moment. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if you get in an additional one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>to say two hundred million a year and chop it

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<v Speaker 1>up among seven or eight sports teams, that doesn't leave

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<v Speaker 1>a large piece and the bengalsals eight three hundred million

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Billy, you know every everything you know and by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, you know when you talk about Bengals, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that request is coming from the county. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the county has been the ones who have made that request,

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<v Speaker 2>us request to us. But you know it is something

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, Look, the Bengals stadium, uh has has

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<v Speaker 2>to be brought up to speed. We understand that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the other stadiums do as well. But you talked about

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<v Speaker 2>cutting it up amongst seven ways. Uh. The truth of

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<v Speaker 2>is bill that that these stadiums, you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>come to over different periods of time. You could probably

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<v Speaker 2>sit down uh and with a chart, uh and figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how much money would be needed you know every

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<v Speaker 2>single year. Uh. You know you've got some of the

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<v Speaker 2>new ones won't be needed, that money will not be

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<v Speaker 2>needed for a while. Uh and again and again. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just kind of summarize. I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>uh that are paid for buy our taxpayers that would

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<v Speaker 2>normally go to education, that would normally go to other

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<v Speaker 2>other things, and take that away and put it in

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<v Speaker 2>the stadiums. When we have a great opportunity and a

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<v Speaker 2>great alternative, and that alternative is to take it from

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<v Speaker 2>the people who are making the money, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>the sports gaming companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I had one pun. It say that the taxpayer

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<v Speaker 1>who can't afford to go to the Bengal football games

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<v Speaker 1>are going to ATPs to continue to pay a sales

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<v Speaker 1>tax to a billionaires. Does the fact that Jimmy Haslam

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<v Speaker 1>and the Brown family are worth multi billions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>There's a sense by some like Adam Bird, that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they should contribute a lot more money. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Haslam he's contributing about sixteen percent of the deal,

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<v Speaker 1>which is close to your fifteen percent, but looks like

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals would be contributing or the state would be

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<v Speaker 1>contributing more like thirty three percent, which might be a

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<v Speaker 1>non starter. But nonetheless, the governor is saying, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>down this route to see what we can do. You're

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<v Speaker 2>To next bill. Bill, I just have to correct you

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<v Speaker 2>that those are numbers are not right. As far as

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<v Speaker 2>the Browns, I mean their proposal, their proposal. You know

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<v Speaker 2>they're asking for six hundred million, a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>But their proposal I think is for them to put

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<v Speaker 2>in one point three something like that, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's still a lot of money. I'm on both fronts.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, lastly, there's a provision in the legislature to

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate all the county corners offices. My friend doctor last

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<v Speaker 1>me some Marco and Hamiley county corner elected is not

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<v Speaker 1>happy about that. I would think the other corners are

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<v Speaker 1>not happy. Of course they think it's coming that the

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<v Speaker 1>county auditor, treasure or clerk. Of course, maybe the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll drive Richard Richard K. Jones bananas. Uh do you

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<v Speaker 1>support the idea of eliminating the right of the people

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<v Speaker 2>And the No, I don't. I mean, look, this kiss

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<v Speaker 2>came out nowhere. I'm not sure why where it really

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<v Speaker 2>came from. Uh, but look, we elect corners. Now if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at small counties. I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>too far off the point. I'll stay with corners. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, probably what needs to be done in this state,

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<v Speaker 2>UH is we need to help particularly the small counties. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pay for the autopsies. You know, these autopsies

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, if it's in Brown County or Adams County,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Claremont County, none of these are being done.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think in these local counties they have to

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<v Speaker 2>charge the of course charge these counties. So it is

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<v Speaker 2>a real burden, particularly on the on the smaller on

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<v Speaker 2>the smaller counties. You know our our our, our friend

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor of the corner of of your friend of mine. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she does a very very good job. I

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<v Speaker 2>think in regard to Hamilton County. Uh, it's a big operation. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's look, it's important that these autopsies be done timely. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and they be done done well. So corners probably another

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<v Speaker 2>discussion another day. But the idea that we take this

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<v Speaker 2>away from the people's right to vote, I'm not in

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<v Speaker 1>It's the beginning of getting rid of a share of vote,

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<v Speaker 1>getting rid of the auditor treasure's clerk at courts, streamlining government,

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<v Speaker 1>reforming government, all that's good. But when you tell to

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<v Speaker 1>a Republican we're going to take away your right to vote,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a serious problem. You're against that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens. But we got about ten weeks

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<v Speaker 1>to go until June thirtieth. That's the deadline for the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals and a deadline for your capital budget. This will

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<v Speaker 1>be your last one. By the time this thing is

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<v Speaker 1>over with in the summer of twenty twenty seven, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be shall we say, it'll be history, you'll be done. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>We get we have this regular budget, as you say,

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<v Speaker 2>but we also next year will have a capital budget.

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<v Speaker 2>So really in the process of finishing the major budget,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have a ways to go. The Centate, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill is not really taking this up yet. They will

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<v Speaker 2>do that when they come back in two weeks. Ocassee

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<v Speaker 2>where we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, Hi, Governor, thank you very much. But we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens with the Bengals. This is coming to a

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<v Speaker 1>head soon, and stay safe. And Governor Mike DeWine, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And the

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<v Speaker 1>next time I have dinner with you in your home,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be looking over my shoulder.

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<v Speaker 2>H Thank you Bill for talking with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Governor.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think you should probably always look over

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<v Speaker 2>your shoulder. Bill, But we'll see maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right all right, Governor, thank you very much, Thank you, Bud,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you ye bye bye. Let's continue with more and

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<v Speaker 1>if the line becomes available five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand. The Governor has tepid support for the deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but it must be structuring away. The money comes from

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<v Speaker 1>the gaming tax and not from the general fund. Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Cunningham News Radio, seven hundred wu ow