Speaker 1: All Star to Yoda presents Off the Bench with Jacob
Hester and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go where.
Speaker 1: The plays get broken down and science gets denied to.
Speaker 2: Come off the bench.
Speaker 1: Our two of Off the Bench Live from the Raisin
Caines Studio.
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back, and I went over to OTV
here live from the Raising Kane Studio. U.
Speaker 4: It was a good question in the chat, Jake, how
was the coaching interviews in meetings this morning? You don't
fool me. I know where you were. You were at
football Ops. It went well, it went good. We're just kidding.
That would make too much sense. I don't want to
do that. Uh, that lo'king weird now.
Speaker 3: Doctor Stephen Etheridge here with us as he is every
single Wednesday.
Speaker 2: What's up, Doc? How are we doing doing well?
Speaker 5: How y'all doing?
Speaker 2: Uh? Doing good? Doing good?
Speaker 3: Much better than Matt as you know that old man
over there.
Speaker 2: Yep, I made that back. He out of me.
Speaker 3: Doc got his own he's got his own special chair.
Speaker 2: He's sitting on him. He's sitting on a blanket.
Speaker 4: Tick blanket. Though he's formed nicely. Gives me a little
pressure relief on the lower lumbar.
Speaker 5: All we can do.
Speaker 4: That's all we can do, Doc, and take you know, pills.
Speaker 3: Not much worse, doesn't I just I don't know that
it does get worse.
Speaker 2: Then when you have back.
Speaker 5: Problems, that's rough back at the you know, you hear
about it all the time.
Speaker 2: But there's a reason, Yeah, Doc, why do I have
shooting pains into my legs?
Speaker 5: It's the nerves, got Doc?
Speaker 3: When my hamstrings are throbbing because my back hurts, what
does that mean?
Speaker 2: Mine was I don't know, growing hamstrings about a.
Speaker 3: Year maybe maybe longer than a year ago, maybe a
year and a half ago. I was in the same
spot and I had to go see Doc as well,
and it was my groin, My growing was tip. I'm like,
wait a minute's on the other side. What's going on here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: The back's a mystery. It's always a it's a it's
always in play there.
Speaker 3: Why would any why would anybody want that to be
their specialty?
Speaker 6: Though, Oh gosh, I give a lot of credit to
our guys upstairs. We got the spine guys, and they
I couldn't do what they.
Speaker 3: Did because I don't I don't know how this stuff connects,
but it shouldn't be connected.
Speaker 2: I don't think, but it does.
Speaker 6: It's it's a mystery. Like I said, it's it's always
in play. The back is always always part of it.
Speaker 3: Oh so, uh, how was your trip to UH to
Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.
Speaker 5: Trip? Trip was good?
Speaker 2: Was good.
Speaker 5: The game, you know, we all saw it, so a
lot of fight out there.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 5: I was proud of the guys. They they gave their effort.
Speaker 2: It was still like to win. Yeah, the effort was
good to see though. It was Yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 5: It was a good vibe and.
Speaker 2: It just you got to execute. That's it. Yeah, we'll
get there healthy. We come out pretty pretty good.
Speaker 5: Not too bad.
Speaker 6: You know, we had a few little Nixon bobo's, nothing
too crazy this week, So I think, you know, in
a game like that, that's that's a win.
Speaker 5: So we'll take that victory.
Speaker 3: Uh you mentioned I know you said Travis Hunter is
out for the year.
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that.
Speaker 4: For LCL. Uh yeah, kind of explained the l c L.
And I know we've all heard of like the big meniscus,
a C, L M c L, all that stuff, but
LCL is kind of one you don't really hear a
lot about. But he's out designated out for the season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a little bit of a weirder injury,
for sure. You do see it.
Speaker 6: Obviously. We have a great example we're talking about right now.
You know, the the initial reports with the Travis Hunter
or that he had a non contact knee injury, and
that's always one that makes us cringe. Yeah, guy leaves
the field for a non contact knee. I mean, the
first thing we typically think is it's an a c L,
and that's just where our brains go. And in this scenario,
it was a ligament injury. The lcls the lateral collateral ligament.
It's the ligament on the outside of the knee, so
it kind of runs kind of along that outside joint line,
keeps the knee from going right, it's the lower leg
from going in and it's an unusual isolated injury. Usually
if you have an LCL injury, you're gonna see that
as part of a bigger knee injury where you've had
a multi ligament injury or meniscus and lots of other things.
In his case, all the reports are just an l CL.
It's it's a still a surgical repair though, so he's
still he's still gonna be out, he'll miss the rest
of the year. It's you know, about a six six
months or so before he's football already. You know, there's
some variability there, so it's not as long as an ACL,
but it's typically gonna be a season injury. Do you
ever see lcls with non contact? You know, I actually
have not. That's not one I've seen personally. It is
obviously again we see him, but that's a pretty rare injury,
so it's kind of kind of unique to see that
when isolated. You wonder if maybe he'd had a previous
injury where maybe it was already a little bit loose
or something. But but yeah, it's not one that I've
I can recall, at least ever seeing isolated. I'm sure
there may than one that I'm forgetting, but it's not
not very common, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Why do you think so we see the non contact
all the time, and usually the movement that an athlete
makes when they hurt their knee is really innocent. Why
it doesn't look like anything?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 4: Why, like your opinion, it gets a cut that a
running back or receiver a dB makes tens and thousands
of times in practice games.
Speaker 2: They've done it for their entire life, and they just
keep doing it. Why is it that one time?
Speaker 4: Like every I'm assuming it's got to be a perfect
storm of so many different things coming together at the
same time in a bad way, of course, why is
it that one time? And you're opaying like, what has
to happen? Is the ligament like flip over? Does it?
Like what is going on inside the body to make
it happen? Well, I think you kind of hit the
nail on the head. That is a perfect storm, and
so I think to look for any one specific might
be kind of hard. There's there's obviously going to be
certain scenarios, you know, maybe you're playing on a surface
that isn't as good, maybe the cleats or something are
going to be different. You can always look for certain
things that might point to that, maybe in the scenario
where the athletes really fatigued, maybe situations where maybe their
response times a little bit different.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: There's actually a really an interesting sellon years ago where
they looked at guys that came back too soon after
concussions and their appropriate reception and spatial awareness was diminished,
so lower extremity injuries were actually higher. So there's a
lot of variables, but I think more often than not,
it's just bad luck, you know, And that's never things
that from a medical explanation. People want to hear that
just because explanation, But I think at the end of
the day, you know, bad things are going to happen.
You know, we've seen the injury, we've seen you know,
you know, you think about the Mason Smith had just
a you saw it. He jumped after you know, and
the game gets Florida State in the dome and he
jumps in his lands a little funny and you could see it.
And I remember watching that replay on the screen as
I'm running out there and you can see that knee
buckle and just my heart just plummeted in that moment.
Speaker 5: And it's just a fluky thing.
Speaker 2: They happened. I feel like.
Speaker 3: Achilles tears ruptures, like are the ones that happened like
that more than any It was like recently apparently for
the Cardinals, it was like kind of just like backing up,
like getting out of the way of something, and then
he just steps and you can just see it.
Speaker 2: Just Yeah, that's just like that.
Speaker 6: That's a lot of them you know, with the Achilles,
you'll have the ones. You know, we've seen the Aaron
Rodgers one from a couple of years ago. Uh, and
that one made sense. You watched the play he's on
the turf, his foot kind of got one, and that
one made sense. But but you're right, most of them
are these kind of weird you know. You know, I
think about that one. I remember the one with Kevin
Durant just kind of running down the field. And you know,
anytime I have somebody come in and they said, I
thought somebody kicked me or shot me in the back
of the leg, that's always like dang.
Speaker 5: It's especially if they kind of.
Speaker 6: Right behind the ankle, because you know, more oft than
not what you'll see if you watch the guy will
look behind him because they think somebody literally kicked him.
That's the description I get, And that was what Durant said,
as I thought somebody kicked me, But then you turn around,
nobody's there. Yeah, and that's you know, but yeah, they're
they're kind of flukey too. Again, that just because.
Speaker 4: We've kind of talked about Achilles too, like we are
when back when we were playing, but forever in sports,
like watching sports and Achilles ten it was a rare injury. Yeah,
Like it didn't happen very often, and when you did,
you're like, oh my god, wow. But like it's pretty
standard procedure. Why is it have you seen Is it
just our kind of like vision of it because it's
more hyper aware of it now because it's more of
the public media or whatever. But have you seen more
Achilles injuries in the last couple of years than previous?
Speaker 6: I definitely feel like I have. You know, I don't
know for sure if that's accurate. You know, sometimes we
got kind of get caught up in the moment, but
it definitely feels like it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: And in addition to my work with football, I work
with gymnastics.
Speaker 5: We see a lot of them gymnastics. Yeah, so so
I feel like I see a lot of them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: It's interesting, you know that there's a lot of theories
for why we've talked about surfaces and things like that
with football. You know, I sometimes wonder if exposures, you know,
that the sports becoming more year round and we're starting
to see that transcend or there's more exposure.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of possible reasons, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Covid chat absolutely answer that what people are asking. You know, Doc,
we're sorry about out there. Hey, we're sorry about him.
Speaker 5: Unaware of any direct correlation, but so there needs.
Speaker 2: To be some stuff he's done on then Achilles Chat.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Bruce Braid's Jackson Dart, he's somebody that's already
had a couple of concussions early in his career. I
love his style of play. I love the way that
he goes about his business. But I don't know how
long you can do that at the quarterback position. I
get that, like when you're looking for that, like when
you have somebody that's kind of going through obviously concussion protocol,
but it's not his first time. You know, the position
he plays, Like what like, maybe what process do you
go through if a guy's had multiple concussions. Knowing he
plays a position that's going to be pretty physical.
Speaker 6: It makes it more difficult for sure. You know the
things that I look at with concussion. You know, obviously
one of the questions we always ask how many is
too many concussions?
Speaker 5: Is their number and really there's not.
Speaker 6: Obviously the bigger that number gets, the more we're concerned
we become. But the things I worry about is the
proximity if you have a lot of concussions in a
short time frame, the ease with which you got them.
So if somebody you watch the play, you're like, man,
that was not a big hit, that should not have
caused a concussion. At least wouldn't have thought that. The
house of your the symptoms, how long the symptoms, because
sometimes you just bad luck happens. You might have that
guy gets two in a year but may never get another,
you know, documented concussion in his career. Yeah, but you
do have to take any consideration. This guy has had
a couple in a short timeframe. He plays a higher
risk position, his style of play. Yeah, you know, I'm
with you. I love I love seeing your quarterbacks and
they get the grit and they're going after it, or
really anybody you love.
Speaker 5: You love seeing that in an athlete.
Speaker 6: But then there's the other side of it, that's the
safety of medical And I think you at least got
to talk to that guy and say, look, man, we
need to slide.
Speaker 5: You know you have that conversis, so.
Speaker 3: You better make sure you have the first down before
you slide, because God forbid, your hips start to go
towards the ground and then they don't use common sense
and say it's not a first down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: And Doc was very sure to say diagnosed concussion there too,
because I'm sure people are playing as close as we
as people keep an eye on him. There are people
that play pay through that play through some headaches out there, certainly,
so I'm sure there are some undiagnosed. We had the
same conversation a couple of years ago with two and
they're like, if he gets one more, we're talking about
some serious brain damage and all this stuff, and it's
you just have to be hyper aware of it. And
so I wanted to ask, like, are because people on
our show they call us CTO t B sometimes, are
people genetically more like dispis, like genetically more likely to
get long term effects from a concussion or multiple concussions
than other people?
Speaker 2: Because I know people.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're looking at one across the table that
had multiple I had friends that played linebacker for a
long time that had multiple, multiple, multiple concussions. But the
brain works as clear, like as good as it did. Well,
not you friends, but then you see some that have
had a couple and you see the brain damage. You
see the long term after effects with the CTE and
all these things like are pre like, are they just
more likely? Is it a genetic thing? Is it a
type of concussion? Are there different types of concussions?
Speaker 6: Well, I think it's a discussion that you know, look,
we could open up a whole show talking about this
specific topic. There's a lot of information out there, and
then there's a lot of there's also a lack of
information to be fair, and you know, the way I
look at really any medical condition and concussions are definitely
not unique to this is you know, the way I
describe it a patient of my clinic, I'm like, look,
you get you get this scenario where you get a
bowl and you throw all your genetic predispositions all into
this bowl and then all of your life experiences and
that's what comes out and the medical presentation we see
and what I mean by that is absolutely there there's
got to be some kind of genetic pre existing conditions
that probably make some people more susceptible to receiving concussions
and then having more severe outcomes from said concussions. But
I don't know that we've specifically identified those yet. And
sometimes it might be a mixture of so many different
things that it's not that simple. And then of course
the severity of the concussion, how how bad was it,
how many of you had that we talked about a
moment ago, And there's a lot of things that go
into it, because there's a lot of people that have
had a lot of concussions that don't develop CTE. If
you go back and you look at some of the
studies where they looked at some of these NFL players,
they've gone back and look, part of the problem is
the only way that we've to this point been able
to truly diagnose is with the biopsy, which means after
you've died, so at autopsy. And they've done biopsies on
brains of guys that played in the NFL or played
college ball, and they said, oh, they had CTE. But
then you go look at this individual's life and they
lived a very normal life. They didn't have any symptoms,
or maybe they had very mild dimension symptoms when they're
in their nineties or something, which we probably all get.
Speaker 5: Let's just be honest, you know.
Speaker 6: I think with Frank Gift Gifford, that was one I
remember they did his post mortem they said, oh, yeah, CTE.
This is a guy who was in the public limelight.
He was on television his whole life. He died from
colon cancer. So did you have CT just because he
had an abnormal brain biopsy? That a guy that seemed
pretty normal. Yeah, yeah, his famine. I said, he forgot
where his keys were every now and then. But you know,
and I don't mean to be insensitive when I say that,
but the reality of it is, we don't know. So
I think sometimes the CT narrator's probably gone a little
too far my personal opinion, but it's it's also a true,
real thing.
Speaker 5: So how do we navigate that?
Speaker 6: And look, we're still figuring it out, and what I'm
saying now may be wrong tomorrow, but that's kind of
where we're at the moment.
Speaker 5: So sort of an answer, but.
Speaker 4: Not exactly now. It is, I mean, it absolutely just
I mean, it's just like anything in life. Everything is
some people are more likely to get this, get that,
whatever it is. It just you kind of get pigeon
holed into all right, well, you hit you banged your
head against the wall for fifteen years in a career,
you're definitely going to have some sort of long term
and I just feel like some people you looked at
was a junior stay out that was like, yeah, I
wanted to study, study his brain, Like, yes, that was
the thing.
Speaker 2: And it's some people were more affected by it.
Speaker 6: And you know, he was with del with mental health
and unfortunately a suicide. And how much of that was CTE?
How much of that might have been some pre existing
you know, depression, how much of that is you know,
if you're you're a professional athlete and you remove that
individual from the their career, you know, all of a
sudden you have to be a normal human and that
that can't be easy for any of us to deal with.
I think we've probably all dealt with no matter how
long you played sports, even just through high school. I
know friends that their first year not playing high school ball,
it's like, oh gosh, this is rough. I've been a
football player my whole life, even if you're only nineteen,
that's still your whole life.
Speaker 5: That's what you know.
Speaker 6: So so it's it's it's there's a lot of very
is that sometimes get overlooked, and I think it's very
easy to say, well, it's because this person had concussions,
but mental health exists and people who never played football
mental health problems and dementia and all these things. So
I think we need to be a little careful to
make that you know, correlation, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's why I like when things like this with
Jackson Dart happened, and it happened with two like you
get you see two concussions and what four weeks, five
weeks something like that, It's like, man, just John, it's
just put like, let's be careful with it right now.
Let's teach this guy to play the position a little
bit safer. Just still lose it because of just I mean,
there's like examples because is it going to be example
of CT down down the road? Is it you know,
more like disposed to some mental health things. I don't know,
but you just got to be careful with the Absolutely.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Doc. We appreciate your time as always.
Speaker 2: Thanks for helping with my back too.
Speaker 3: Absolutely well, he can't help with your brain. That's he
heard the first forty five minutes of the show today.
Speaker 2: You know we're here though, we made it. We're alive, Doc.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 3: No problem, all right, we'll take a break more OTV
when we come back here live from the Raisin Kane
studio off the bench. All right, now is a great time,
as it always is, to go forward dose. You've got
a tailgating weekend coming up here in Tiger Stadium. So
when you're packing everything up ready to go, your tents,
your generators, your TVs, make sure you grab your dose sech.
Speaker 2: Ease so you know it's a nerdy kick. Yeah, sure
we'll stand that. Ear and breakfast yeah why not?
Speaker 3: You know it can be you know, whatever food you
want to go with the beer, but as long as
you have it cereal, sure that's what you want to do.
But just make sure you're ready to go. Whenever the
Tigers kick off. Don't allow that clock to fool you.
It's always a great time to go for do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an early kick, but you still got to
get your mind right. You still got to get ready.
You still got to beat loud. So when you're getting
ready for tailgating, you know, maybe go buy you a
little six pack, maybe twelve pack, and then ask everybody
around that rounds you what they're drinking today, because you're
gonna be drinking.
Speaker 2: Do sekis.
Speaker 4: If you see Jake and I walking around camust be
sure to hold it up. Say cheers, go for dose,
trink responssibly.
Speaker 1: Thanks selection.
Speaker 7: Speaking so long, Amida as you call. I know this
sh I've had your wing. I've been so busy, but
I've been thinking about what want of doing you.
Speaker 2: I know them money guys.
Speaker 7: If they've been talking about the way I do.
Speaker 1: I do from the locker room to the airwaves, it's
off the bench with Jacob Ester and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 7: I want to get you.
Speaker 2: I can see you on me.
Speaker 8: Too, and make them.
Speaker 2: Hello, what's up much? Hey, welcome back to the show.
But just a heads up. He did no floaters again, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on me and I didn't get none, none,
not a single one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my bad. Guys.
Speaker 4: I'm still getting used to hosting the show when I
have to.
Speaker 2: You did great.
Speaker 4: I'm more of like a color commentator kind of guy.
So there's some like techniques and things that you gotta
do when you're kind of hosting it. That's you know
that I'm just not used to. It's okay, we did it,
we made it.
Speaker 2: I thought you did great.
Speaker 4: I thought we did better yesterday than today. Like I said,
right now, grade yourself Okay, it's good. Grade myself yesterday
I would give myself.
Speaker 9: I agree, I would give you like a seven and
a half yesterday.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know I'll take that right out of the gate.
Speaker 3: You're probably pretty excited, you know, you're like, oh, Jake's
not in.
Speaker 2: I got this then it saw me, me, me, me,
And that's a little bit o crap it me me right.
Oh boy, I don't know about this. I appreciate it.
Like we're gonna talk about the Brian Kelly thing again,
I appreciate you all holding it down. Yeah. The yeah,
the old sickness going through the.
Speaker 3: House, I got you, brother, that's yeah, it's going around,
like I know, and we usually avoid it, like we're
usually really like really good. Maybe maybe one of the
seven of us gets it this time, my friend, right, not.
Speaker 2: This time when it goes to the Flint household. Yeah,
if one person had something ever like and it usually
takes about four weeks to get through everybody. I like
it it happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, you know, you know, it's like we
don't have we don't have family in like anywhere in
the area, right, So like for us.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, these kids got to get to school.
Probably need to find something. How's that going? Somebody some
sort of help, right, got somebody?
Speaker 4: I mean it's a city full of people, you know,
but I know you don't have family either though I don't.
Speaker 2: But we got people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people, Yeah, people I got I got a
guy that has a guy has a Nick Sabeman's coming.
Speaker 9: But the coach, hairstylists and barbers know, they do, know,
they do consation. I mean, you're sitting in the chair me,
I'm sitting there for like six hours. We're going to
have a conversation. I'm getting my hair done.
Speaker 2: You do have lots of hair, a lot of hair.
Speaker 9: I'm getting it done tomorrow. I'm really excited because you're
when you leave it Sunday, I'll be back Friday.
Speaker 2: That's right, some week long deal. Yeah, we just take
Friday off. What you doing? I just come back, just
hang out with Taylor. That that's bad, but also having
to come to work.
Speaker 9: Forday ah, we'll just do it on remote.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, it's fine. Ill will add to the timeline.
Speaker 8: That's actually that's actually true, the way this is going,
they'll add to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be nice to release it though, and then
just add to it as we go. Needs.
Speaker 8: She needs to make some them and then have like
blank slides at the end of there's more coming.
Speaker 3: No, you're doing the work. You gotta you gotta present that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Were you listening to the show first hour? Though?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I told I broke the new we broke news again?
You did? Yeah? Oh no, what was this? I have
a have a buddy, let's get his haircut. Hair stylace
said Nick.
Speaker 9: Saban is gonna be the coach, So I'm saying hair solace.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: This might have been before the odds went to two
to one too. I don't know. People are talking though,
people that cut hair.
Speaker 3: Again, like this is one of those ones that and
I hope y'all know this about this show by now.
Speaker 2: We do like we do not.
Speaker 3: Care to admit if we were wrong, if we're wrong,
like we're gonna be like, oh my god, we screwed
that up.
Speaker 2: That's us are bad end up.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's even a remote possibility, but I
would love to be like, oh my gosh, I was wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love it.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm biased, obviously, it's the man that
gave me every opportunity in life.
Speaker 2: Because he brought me here. So that's what we were
talking about.
Speaker 4: Like what you know, Taylor asked me the question before
he entered his agism thoughts about like what I would feel,
and it was I don't. I would be excited because
it'd be a it'd be a switch, it'ld be like
a certainly an energy boost. You like, there's you can't
it's the trump card, right, Like, there's nothing you could
say about it besides does he really want to? But
that was my thing, like why would he want to?
Why would he want to? And I think that's everybody's opinion,
but hell, if he really wants to, let's ride. If
he wants to, I'll go pick him up. Yeah, that's
a little tricky situation. Your name's on another team in
the SEC's field. Yeah, but that is This is one
of the things that he always said was one of
his biggest regrets was leaving LSHU. Now that's a loaded statement,
of course, because it was the NFL switch and all
that stuff. But look, if I don't know, but at
Lante brought up the point too, it's like you left
college football because of the state of college football. Really, yeah,
it's not any different maybe there's a little bit more
guardrails on it now, and there's going to be more
guardrails each.
Speaker 2: And every year.
Speaker 4: But it was like with the s show, that's happening
with the LSU situation from the top down in Louisiana. Yeah, Governor, President,
Border supervisors, all that stuff. I said, any head coach
that comes in is going to be at the bottom
of that pecking order unless it's Nick Saban. And I
think everybody in Louisiana would say yes, sir to Nick Saban.
Speaker 3: And that means everybody, oh even yes, like even if
like we had questions about okay, like I don't know
what Taylor said, but you know he was hating on
his age, which rude.
Speaker 2: Anybody's age, but wow, Taylor, but like yeah, I mean
we've been talking about Nick Saban coming back to LSU
since he left. It was twenty years ago. R right,
Oh my god, it was twenty years yeah yeah, I
mean shut up.
Speaker 3: So yeah, even though he's seventy four, Like, no, he
cares about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean think I think the governor would even
say yes sir, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well say like that would be the only one
yeah initially or would save it and eventually make him right.
Speaker 9: Right, because it's like such Napoleon what do they call it?
Napoleon's and yeah, yeah, I just don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Saban walks in a room, it's like a
few energy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have never seen somebody of of of his
size and statue like walk into a room and immediately
everybody sits up in their chair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. It doesn't matter who you are. He
would walk into that.
Speaker 3: He would walk into that loting room and the biggest
Marcus spears straight up in his chair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't matter who it was.
Speaker 4: He can walk into that board of supervisors and everybody,
including the person at the.
Speaker 2: Top, would sit up in their chairs. Yep.
Speaker 4: No, is that the same way because the Taylor's takes
I don't know.
Speaker 3: At question, did Taylor have him one foot in the
nursing home?
Speaker 2: He did, so, Jake.
Speaker 8: What I was asking was like, okay, like it's Saban's age,
how long is he going to want to do this?
So I was like, my question would be, like a
lot of people have brought up Kelvin Shepherd, like some
people have said he hadn't had to coaching experience.
Speaker 2: That's a concern of mine. So my question was, like,
if say it only wants.
Speaker 8: To be here two or three years, would he bring
a younger guy with him that LSU loves like learn
under him for a few years and then that guy
take over.
Speaker 4: Maybe, But then at that point you're kind of hiring
two head coaches at once. Let's just stick, all right,
you'd have to know for sure. Well, that's what I'm saying,
savings some time to like pick I don't know, seventy
five to one to two to one overnight.
Speaker 2: From the list of people that I have heard, at
least it is exciting.
Speaker 3: I mean, coach Saban's probably one of those names where
maybe you don't think it's gonna happen, but you're gonna
you're gonna do your due diligence, like you're gonna kick
the tires on it.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying he wouldn't be intimidated about what's happening.
Speaker 3: Is that let me ask you all, this, is that
the only person that y'all could hire and talking about
the board like and kind of make some of all
the drama that's led us to this point go away.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's the only hire. Nobody can poke holes in. Yeah,
it's ultimate trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody can forget about how we got here. Yeah,
and nobody, nobody could put a timeline that a Launders
having to put together.
Speaker 9: It would be water under the bridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the timeline would dissolve, it would just disappear, like
that's silly old thing. That's silly old thing. It was
ages ago. That wasn't even real.
Speaker 9: You never said family.
Speaker 2: We heard and Kelly multiple years we could get saving back.
It was all part of the plant or the plan.
Mhmm yeah, mhm mule Odds makers. We appreciate the content.
Speaker 9: It feels like Vegas just taking advantage of LSU fans
that are hoping for the best.
Speaker 2: That's what I think it is. That's a good take
right there. I like that.
Speaker 3: I think there's there is some limits on how much
you can place on future headco ching Odds.
Speaker 9: Really yeah, did you see they put yeah, we put
that that limit on there, and people were like they
put caps on beds before they did a salary cap.
Speaker 2: Was it two hundred?
Speaker 4: Because those those two cats are what for the guardians
or facing years and sixty five years in prison.
Speaker 9: It's a long time, but you're making millions of dollars
and you risked it for like what fourteen grand?
Speaker 2: Yeah sixty five show.
Speaker 8: Has pissed about the two hundred dollar cap. Yeah, I'm
never going to be over that. M m fact that
they were like show how we don't care.
Speaker 4: But if you were baseball, I would wipe that so
far they did on the rug.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Yeah, that's the cash cow. Getting back to.
Speaker 3: The whoever the coach is going to be, I hope
they take a hard look at the defensive staff before
they they make it.
Speaker 2: Let's not make any snap decisions on that. Now.
Speaker 3: On the other side of the ball, do what you want,
but whatever you want, whatever you want there. But like
the defensive staff, like I'm sitting there calling the game
on Saturday, and I'm like, man, God, they are trying
everything they possibly do now right, They're pushing so many
right buttons and outside of the like the play before
half where you're a man coverage and you just get beat.
You shouldn't have even been in that situation because the
often should have helped you out and rent the clock
out or at least ran it down. So I hope
they take it like whoever comes in, well, they'd be foolish,
not too right, I know, because like that defensive staff
wants to be here, Like Corey Raymond played here, Kyle
played here, Blake played down the road.
Speaker 2: But Blake's you know, got strong ties to l s U.
Speaker 3: Jake Golsen's been here multiple times. Kevin Peeple's done have
to ties it all the other people have, but he's
done a good job here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a defensive staff.
Speaker 4: Att It's a defensive staff that like if they were
to get let go, they could all go as a
group together and go get any defensive coaching job in
the country, right anything, So like you would be foolish
for a head coach not to at least I'm not
I'm not gonna say kick the tires because I think
that's disrespectful, but then at least not give them a good, good,
good hard look, Like what are you going to bring
to the table, Like maybe you're loyal. Maybe a head
coach comes in and he's loyal to a coordinator or
a linebacker's coach something that's been with him forever and
they came up the ranks together.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 4: I get that, But like keep as much in place
as possible because like you said, most of the guys
on this defensive staff are LSU people. Now they're coaches,
so they'll coach anywhere. Yeah, but they're LSU people. They
want to be here and they are good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: You know, it's what we're talking about Eli drinkers the
other day off air, Like if his name comes up,
I know what I think about drink.
Speaker 2: I'm more to drink. He knows.
Speaker 3: He knows all the defense staff because that's where they
came from. That's where Jake, Uh, Blake, Kevin, they all
came from Missoo to l s U.
Speaker 2: Right, So he's staff changes at all.
Speaker 4: It should it shouldn't. It shouldn't change with anybody, Like,
who're you gonna get to replace Corey Raymond? Yeah, the
bright spot of this entire team.
Speaker 3: Somebody made that mistake before he goes he's.
Speaker 8: Yeah, did replace Cory Raymond?
Speaker 2: I forgot?
Speaker 3: Well, Uh, Carrie way Is Cooks, Kerry Cooks, Harry Cooks,
he's a Rice now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: By the guy that has been the architect of dB
U for a long time, brought in people, loyal people,
l s U guys through and through, and the bright
spot of our team this year has been the defensive backs,
the effort they're playing with, the technique they're playing with,
making plays all over the field, Like if they if
our defensive backfield wasn't as good as it has been
this year with some of the like there's been some
effort moments. We pointed some effort moments out in some
of the film review. Now that that was gone, maybe
that was a game or two we only seen it,
but that defensive backfield's played fantastic. I thought the defensive
lines played really good for the pieces that they have.
Speaker 2: They don't have like any.
Speaker 3: No, because they were Bo Diddley was recruiting a different
defensive tackle that didn't fit the needs of this scheme, right,
so you're kind of putting it together with dug tape
and super glue of Yeah, Jacobin.
Speaker 2: Gillery's gotten a lot better.
Speaker 3: And that's an older veteran player that you kind of thought,
Okay at this point he is the player that he is.
But Kyle's done a really nice job with him.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you that. Well, everyone was kind of
glimming dam with Bo Davis decided to leave. Oh she
got an upgrade.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: As far as technique, Yeah, for a guy that's played
it a long time.
Speaker 2: Oh Man speaks to a group of men. I'm not
saying Bo was not great at that, but like Kyle Williams,
to me, is a special hire for that situation, and
a guy that, like again Lsu, he didn't have to
do this right now.
Speaker 4: He just wants to help Lsue, wants to coach Lsue
be a part of the game, give back. So I
think any defensive coach that came out would be lucky
to have a lot of that stuff.
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Speaker 3: You know the best part about the whole coaching search thing.
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Speaker 2: Turkeys haven't even been slaughtered yet.
Speaker 3: Y'all know, there's a real there's a chance that we
could be over forty days away from hiring a new coach. Depending, yeah,
it could be forty days.
Speaker 4: Well, they said today, as long as possible. If they're
going after Wane might be until January.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just have forty I figured like almost January, good,
good round number.
Speaker 2: That didn't get us a January buddy. I mean it's
almost thirty one.
Speaker 3: Let's see how many more days we got to EATSK
fifty fifty okay, fifty days of speculation, fifty days of wondering,
fifty days.
Speaker 2: Of timeline betting odds. That'd be fun.
Speaker 3: No, even if you hire somebody that is not in
the Coege football playoff or not in conference championship weekend,
you're probably looking at maybe three weeks. Three weeks sounds
a lot better than fifty days of knowing who the
leader of your program is going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look happened.
Speaker 3: This happens like John Summerrall last year probably would have
gone to a power forward job, but Tulane was still
playing for things, he still had a conference championship, and
he's like, hey, the timing's just not right right now,
and he decided to delay to here.
Speaker 2: And John Summer is gonna get one of these jobs.
I don't know which one.
Speaker 3: He's gonna get one of them, but he could have
done it last year. He just he's like, yeah, you
know what, we're still playing all right, it's not right,
Like I want to be here for this conference championship
game and we'll kick the can down the road a.
Speaker 2: Little bit that so we did so.
Speaker 3: Not just let me ask you this your timing, it's
theirs too.
Speaker 4: If now we what we saw against Aldam was the
lack of execution, it was you saw a change I
thought of just the feel of the way the LSUE
is playing. Can they keep that up? It's a week
it's going to be the game two with an interim coach.
You've kind of the interm bump is gone. That's usually
just the week after h But can they keep playing
like that? I believe they will. I believe they're t
You know, you got to understand what to play for.
You're playing. These individuals are playing for themselves right now,
for the team as a whole. But like they have
to put good tape out there, so there's things to
motivate this team with. Now, let's just play it hypothetical
here that no one expects to see or wants to see.
But let's play a hypothetical where they don't go and
put a product out on the field that's improved and
they don't execute and bad things happen on the outcome
going forward this season, does that timeline or urgency speed
up for you and the hiring process for LSU? Like,
I know you said all the things, We're going to
get the best head coach as long as it takes
whatever that is. But if things start to slide, is
that urgency pick up? Because I think I think it's
like Frank Wilson can write the ship. From a recruiting standpoint,
let's show some five like we can still maintain our recruits,
can we maintain our current players? All this stuff? But
if it starts a slide, are you like, okay, now
let's cast a bigger net. Let's make sure. Let's now
start eliminating people that we know are going to take
fifty days.
Speaker 2: Because we have to do something. Now, that's actually a
good question. Thank you, Good for you, Thank you. I
just came up with it.
Speaker 3: On the old nugging and I actually I think there's
something to it because to your point, let's say it's
the worst case scenario.
Speaker 2: Let's say you lose to Arkansas. We don't think it
will be, but you beat.
Speaker 3: Western Kentucky and know, yeah, there's nothing you can do, and.
Speaker 2: Then you lose to Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Do you want to sit and let that just fester
for four or five weeks? Probably not even because if.
Speaker 4: You lose to Arkansas and the only makeup game you
have to wait two weeks to play a real game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, even if that happens. So to your point,
if it's sliding, you don't want to crash. Do you
become less picky?
Speaker 3: Yeah, not even less picky. Not because I think there's
I think there's plenty of people on this list. I
think there's five guys right now that you could hire
that would come in here and win and be a
great hire. We got five, So I wouldn't say less picky.
I would just say less patient with waiting on that
person because of their situation.
Speaker 2: And I agree.
Speaker 3: If you have no momentum and it's like you got
this high school signing class, and let's not forget you
still got some Jimmy's and Joe's in that class, it's
it's still a top class. Yeah, you might want to
make sure that you go ahead and get some positive
momentum and get a leader in front of the building.
Speaker 2: It's not wait to old misk it's knocked out of playoffs, right, Yeah,
I don't think. I don't. I don't. I just don't
believe that's what I get past.
Speaker 8: In a perfect world for me. December third. You have
to have a coach. I know you don't, but I
would like.
Speaker 2: One, especially if you slide.
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Speaker 9: Going I think, yeah, I think the defense, said staff
is so strong, and the defense, even though there were
a couple of games where they kind of faded a
little bit, which again is I feel on the offense
because they could stay on the field long enough. But
I just feel like our foundation on the defensive side
of the ball is perfectly fine how it is. So
I would like an offensive mine because we obviously don't
have that now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd prefer offense for sure. But look, if there's
a guy out there that's a defensive mind that you
love that wants to call him.
Speaker 2: Like, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 8: But I prefer offense.
Speaker 4: I really don't care. We have to improve on offense. Obviously,
the foundation of our current offense is poor to quite poor.
I want I want somebody or a head coach. I
just want somebody to come in that's going to reset
the standard and accept nothing less than that. Said standard
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Speaker 2: All right, hour three and you're coming back your way
on O TV.
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