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Speaker 1: All Star to Yoda presents Off the Bench with Jacob

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Hester and Matt Flynn.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go where.

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Speaker 1: The plays get broken down and science gets denied to.

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Speaker 2: Come off the bench.

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Speaker 1: Our two of Off the Bench Live from the Raisin

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Caines Studio.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back, and I went over to OTV

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here live from the Raising Kane Studio. U.

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Speaker 4: It was a good question in the chat, Jake, how

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was the coaching interviews in meetings this morning? You don't

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fool me. I know where you were. You were at

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football Ops. It went well, it went good. We're just kidding.

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That would make too much sense. I don't want to

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do that. Uh, that lo'king weird now.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Stephen Etheridge here with us as he is every

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single Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Doc? How are we doing doing well?

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Speaker 5: How y'all doing?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Doing good? Doing good?

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Speaker 3: Much better than Matt as you know that old man

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over there.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I made that back. He out of me.

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Speaker 3: Doc got his own he's got his own special chair.

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Speaker 2: He's sitting on him. He's sitting on a blanket.

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Speaker 4: Tick blanket. Though he's formed nicely. Gives me a little

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pressure relief on the lower lumbar.

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Speaker 5: All we can do.

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Speaker 4: That's all we can do, Doc, and take you know, pills.

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Speaker 3: Not much worse, doesn't I just I don't know that

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it does get worse.

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Speaker 2: Then when you have back.

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Speaker 5: Problems, that's rough back at the you know, you hear

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about it all the time.

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Speaker 2: But there's a reason, Yeah, Doc, why do I have

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shooting pains into my legs?

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Speaker 5: It's the nerves, got Doc?

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Speaker 3: When my hamstrings are throbbing because my back hurts, what

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does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Mine was I don't know, growing hamstrings about a.

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Speaker 3: Year maybe maybe longer than a year ago, maybe a

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year and a half ago. I was in the same

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spot and I had to go see Doc as well,

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and it was my groin, My growing was tip. I'm like,

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wait a minute's on the other side. What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: The back's a mystery. It's always a it's a it's

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always in play there.

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Speaker 3: Why would any why would anybody want that to be

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their specialty?

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Speaker 6: Though, Oh gosh, I give a lot of credit to

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our guys upstairs. We got the spine guys, and they

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I couldn't do what they.

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Speaker 3: Did because I don't I don't know how this stuff connects,

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but it shouldn't be connected.

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Speaker 2: I don't think, but it does.

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Speaker 6: It's it's a mystery. Like I said, it's it's always

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in play. The back is always always part of it.

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Speaker 3: Oh so, uh, how was your trip to UH to

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Tuscaloosa and Birmingham.

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Speaker 5: Trip? Trip was good?

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Speaker 2: Was good.

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Speaker 5: The game, you know, we all saw it, so a

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lot of fight out there.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 5: I was proud of the guys. They they gave their effort.

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Speaker 2: It was still like to win. Yeah, the effort was

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good to see though. It was Yeah, it was it was.

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Speaker 5: It was a good vibe and.

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Speaker 2: It just you got to execute. That's it. Yeah, we'll

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get there healthy. We come out pretty pretty good.

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Speaker 5: Not too bad.

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Speaker 6: You know, we had a few little Nixon bobo's, nothing

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too crazy this week, So I think, you know, in

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a game like that, that's that's a win.

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Speaker 5: So we'll take that victory.

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Speaker 3: Uh you mentioned I know you said Travis Hunter is

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out for the year.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that.

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Speaker 4: For LCL. Uh yeah, kind of explained the l c L.

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And I know we've all heard of like the big meniscus,

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a C, L M c L, all that stuff, but

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LCL is kind of one you don't really hear a

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lot about. But he's out designated out for the season.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a little bit of a weirder injury,

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for sure. You do see it.

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Speaker 6: Obviously. We have a great example we're talking about right now.

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or that he had a non contact knee injury, and

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that's always one that makes us cringe. Yeah, guy leaves

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the field for a non contact knee. I mean, the

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first thing we typically think is it's an a c L,

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and that's just where our brains go. And in this scenario,

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it was a ligament injury. The lcls the lateral collateral ligament.

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it kind of runs kind of along that outside joint line,

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keeps the knee from going right, it's the lower leg

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from going in and it's an unusual isolated injury. Usually

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as part of a bigger knee injury where you've had

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a multi ligament injury or meniscus and lots of other things.

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It's it's a still a surgical repair though, so he's

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still he's still gonna be out, he'll miss the rest

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of the year. It's you know, about a six six

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months or so before he's football already. You know, there's

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some variability there, so it's not as long as an ACL,

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but it's typically gonna be a season injury. Do you

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ever see lcls with non contact? You know, I actually

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have not. That's not one I've seen personally. It is

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obviously again we see him, but that's a pretty rare injury,

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so it's kind of kind of unique to see that

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when isolated. You wonder if maybe he'd had a previous

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injury where maybe it was already a little bit loose

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or something. But but yeah, it's not one that I've

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I can recall, at least ever seeing isolated. I'm sure

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there may than one that I'm forgetting, but it's not

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not very common, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think so we see the non contact

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all the time, and usually the movement that an athlete

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makes when they hurt their knee is really innocent. Why

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it doesn't look like anything?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 4: Why, like your opinion, it gets a cut that a

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running back or receiver a dB makes tens and thousands

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of times in practice games.

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Speaker 2: They've done it for their entire life, and they just

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keep doing it. Why is it that one time?

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Speaker 4: Like every I'm assuming it's got to be a perfect

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storm of so many different things coming together at the

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same time in a bad way, of course, why is

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it that one time? And you're opaying like, what has

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to happen? Is the ligament like flip over? Does it?

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it happen? Well, I think you kind of hit the

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nail on the head. That is a perfect storm, and

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so I think to look for any one specific might

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be kind of hard. There's there's obviously going to be

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certain scenarios, you know, maybe you're playing on a surface

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that isn't as good, maybe the cleats or something are

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going to be different. You can always look for certain

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things that might point to that, maybe in the scenario

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where the athletes really fatigued, maybe situations where maybe their

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response times a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: There's actually a really an interesting sellon years ago where

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they looked at guys that came back too soon after

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concussions and their appropriate reception and spatial awareness was diminished,

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so lower extremity injuries were actually higher. So there's a

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lot of variables, but I think more often than not,

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it's just bad luck, you know, And that's never things

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that from a medical explanation. People want to hear that

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just because explanation, But I think at the end of

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the day, you know, bad things are going to happen.

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You know, we've seen the injury, we've seen you know,

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you know, you think about the Mason Smith had just

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a you saw it. He jumped after you know, and

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the game gets Florida State in the dome and he

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jumps in his lands a little funny and you could see it.

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And I remember watching that replay on the screen as

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I'm running out there and you can see that knee

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buckle and just my heart just plummeted in that moment.

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Speaker 5: And it's just a fluky thing.

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Speaker 2: They happened. I feel like.

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Speaker 3: Achilles tears ruptures, like are the ones that happened like

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that more than any It was like recently apparently for

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the Cardinals, it was like kind of just like backing up,

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like getting out of the way of something, and then

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he just steps and you can just see it.

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Speaker 2: Just Yeah, that's just like that.

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Speaker 6: That's a lot of them you know, with the Achilles,

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you'll have the ones. You know, we've seen the Aaron

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Rodgers one from a couple of years ago. Uh, and

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that one made sense. You watched the play he's on

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the turf, his foot kind of got one, and that

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one made sense. But but you're right, most of them

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are these kind of weird you know. You know, I

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think about that one. I remember the one with Kevin

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Durant just kind of running down the field. And you know,

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anytime I have somebody come in and they said, I

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thought somebody kicked me or shot me in the back

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of the leg, that's always like dang.

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Speaker 5: It's especially if they kind of.

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Speaker 6: Right behind the ankle, because you know, more oft than

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not what you'll see if you watch the guy will

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look behind him because they think somebody literally kicked him.

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That's the description I get, And that was what Durant said,

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as I thought somebody kicked me, But then you turn around,

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nobody's there. Yeah, and that's you know, but yeah, they're

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they're kind of flukey too. Again, that just because.

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Speaker 4: We've kind of talked about Achilles too, like we are

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when back when we were playing, but forever in sports,

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like watching sports and Achilles ten it was a rare injury. Yeah,

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Like it didn't happen very often, and when you did,

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you're like, oh my god, wow. But like it's pretty

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standard procedure. Why is it have you seen Is it

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just our kind of like vision of it because it's

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more hyper aware of it now because it's more of

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the public media or whatever. But have you seen more

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Achilles injuries in the last couple of years than previous?

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Speaker 6: I definitely feel like I have. You know, I don't

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know for sure if that's accurate. You know, sometimes we

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got kind of get caught up in the moment, but

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it definitely feels like it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: And in addition to my work with football, I work

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with gymnastics.

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Speaker 5: We see a lot of them gymnastics. Yeah, so so

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I feel like I see a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting, you know that there's a lot of theories

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for why we've talked about surfaces and things like that

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with football. You know, I sometimes wonder if exposures, you know,

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that the sports becoming more year round and we're starting

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to see that transcend or there's more exposure.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of possible reasons, you know, and.

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Speaker 2: Covid chat absolutely answer that what people are asking. You know, Doc,

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we're sorry about out there. Hey, we're sorry about him.

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Speaker 5: Unaware of any direct correlation, but so there needs.

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Speaker 2: To be some stuff he's done on then Achilles Chat.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Bruce Braid's Jackson Dart, he's somebody that's already

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had a couple of concussions early in his career. I

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love his style of play. I love the way that

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he goes about his business. But I don't know how

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long you can do that at the quarterback position. I

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get that, like when you're looking for that, like when

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you have somebody that's kind of going through obviously concussion protocol,

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but it's not his first time. You know, the position

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he plays, Like what like, maybe what process do you

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plays a position that's going to be pretty physical.

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Speaker 6: It makes it more difficult for sure. You know the

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things that I look at with concussion. You know, obviously

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one of the questions we always ask how many is

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too many concussions?

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Speaker 5: Is their number and really there's not.

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we become. But the things I worry about is the

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proximity if you have a lot of concussions in a

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short time frame, the ease with which you got them.

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that was not a big hit, that should not have

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caused a concussion. At least wouldn't have thought that. The

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house of your the symptoms, how long the symptoms, because

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sometimes you just bad luck happens. You might have that

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guy gets two in a year but may never get another,

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you know, documented concussion in his career. Yeah, but you

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do have to take any consideration. This guy has had

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a couple in a short timeframe. He plays a higher

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risk position, his style of play. Yeah, you know, I'm

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with you. I love I love seeing your quarterbacks and

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they get the grit and they're going after it, or

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really anybody you love.

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Speaker 5: You love seeing that in an athlete.

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safety of medical And I think you at least got

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to talk to that guy and say, look, man, we

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need to slide.

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Speaker 5: You know you have that conversis, so.

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Speaker 3: You better make sure you have the first down before

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you slide, because God forbid, your hips start to go

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towards the ground and then they don't use common sense

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and say it's not a first down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right.

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because I'm sure people are playing as close as we

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as people keep an eye on him. There are people

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that play pay through that play through some headaches out there, certainly,

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so I'm sure there are some undiagnosed. We had the

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same conversation a couple of years ago with two and

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they're like, if he gets one more, we're talking about

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some serious brain damage and all this stuff, and it's

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you just have to be hyper aware of it. And

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so I wanted to ask, like, are because people on

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our show they call us CTO t B sometimes, are

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people genetically more like dispis, like genetically more likely to

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get long term effects from a concussion or multiple concussions

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than other people?

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Speaker 2: Because I know people.

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had multiple I had friends that played linebacker for a

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long time that had multiple, multiple, multiple concussions. But the

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brain works as clear, like as good as it did. Well,

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not you friends, but then you see some that have

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had a couple and you see the brain damage. You

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see the long term after effects with the CTE and

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all these things like are pre like, are they just

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more likely? Is it a genetic thing? Is it a

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type of concussion? Are there different types of concussions?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's a discussion that you know, look,

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we could open up a whole show talking about this

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specific topic. There's a lot of information out there, and

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then there's a lot of there's also a lack of

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information to be fair, and you know, the way I

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look at really any medical condition and concussions are definitely

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not unique to this is you know, the way I

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describe it a patient of my clinic, I'm like, look,

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you get you get this scenario where you get a

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bowl and you throw all your genetic predispositions all into

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this bowl and then all of your life experiences and

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that's what comes out and the medical presentation we see

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and what I mean by that is absolutely there there's

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got to be some kind of genetic pre existing conditions

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that probably make some people more susceptible to receiving concussions

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and then having more severe outcomes from said concussions. But

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I don't know that we've specifically identified those yet. And

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sometimes it might be a mixture of so many different

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things that it's not that simple. And then of course

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the severity of the concussion, how how bad was it,

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how many of you had that we talked about a

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moment ago, And there's a lot of things that go

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into it, because there's a lot of people that have

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had a lot of concussions that don't develop CTE. If

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you go back and you look at some of the

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studies where they looked at some of these NFL players,

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they've gone back and look, part of the problem is

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the only way that we've to this point been able

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to truly diagnose is with the biopsy, which means after

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you've died, so at autopsy. And they've done biopsies on

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brains of guys that played in the NFL or played

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college ball, and they said, oh, they had CTE. But

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then you go look at this individual's life and they

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lived a very normal life. They didn't have any symptoms,

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or maybe they had very mild dimension symptoms when they're

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in their nineties or something, which we probably all get.

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Speaker 5: Let's just be honest, you know.

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remember they did his post mortem they said, oh, yeah, CTE.

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This is a guy who was in the public limelight.

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He was on television his whole life. He died from

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colon cancer. So did you have CT just because he

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had an abnormal brain biopsy? That a guy that seemed

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pretty normal. Yeah, yeah, his famine. I said, he forgot

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where his keys were every now and then. But you know,

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and I don't mean to be insensitive when I say that,

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but the reality of it is, we don't know. So

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I think sometimes the CT narrator's probably gone a little

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too far my personal opinion, but it's it's also a true,

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real thing.

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Speaker 5: So how do we navigate that?

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Speaker 6: And look, we're still figuring it out, and what I'm

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saying now may be wrong tomorrow, but that's kind of

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where we're at the moment.

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Speaker 5: So sort of an answer, but.

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Speaker 4: Not exactly now. It is, I mean, it absolutely just

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I mean, it's just like anything in life. Everything is

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some people are more likely to get this, get that,

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whatever it is. It just you kind of get pigeon

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holed into all right, well, you hit you banged your

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head against the wall for fifteen years in a career,

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you're definitely going to have some sort of long term

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and I just feel like some people you looked at

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was a junior stay out that was like, yeah, I

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wanted to study, study his brain, Like, yes, that was

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the thing.

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Speaker 2: And it's some people were more affected by it.

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Speaker 6: And you know, he was with del with mental health

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and unfortunately a suicide. And how much of that was CTE?

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How much of that might have been some pre existing

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you know, depression, how much of that is you know,

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if you're you're a professional athlete and you remove that

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individual from the their career, you know, all of a

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sudden you have to be a normal human and that

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that can't be easy for any of us to deal with.

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I think we've probably all dealt with no matter how

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long you played sports, even just through high school. I

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know friends that their first year not playing high school ball,

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it's like, oh gosh, this is rough. I've been a

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football player my whole life, even if you're only nineteen,

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that's still your whole life.

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Speaker 5: That's what you know.

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Speaker 6: So so it's it's it's there's a lot of very

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is that sometimes get overlooked, and I think it's very

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easy to say, well, it's because this person had concussions,

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but mental health exists and people who never played football

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mental health problems and dementia and all these things. So

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I think we need to be a little careful to

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make that you know, correlation, you know.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I like when things like this with

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Jackson Dart happened, and it happened with two like you

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get you see two concussions and what four weeks, five

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weeks something like that, It's like, man, just John, it's

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just put like, let's be careful with it right now.

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Let's teach this guy to play the position a little

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bit safer. Just still lose it because of just I mean,

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there's like examples because is it going to be example

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of CT down down the road? Is it you know,

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more like disposed to some mental health things. I don't know,

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but you just got to be careful with the Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks Doc. We appreciate your time as always.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for helping with my back too.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely well, he can't help with your brain. That's he

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heard the first forty five minutes of the show today.

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Speaker 2: You know we're here though, we made it. We're alive, Doc.

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We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: No problem, all right, we'll take a break more OTV

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when we come back here live from the Raisin Kane

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studio off the bench. All right, now is a great time,

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as it always is, to go forward dose. You've got

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a tailgating weekend coming up here in Tiger Stadium. So

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when you're packing everything up ready to go, your tents,

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your generators, your TVs, make sure you grab your dose sech.

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Speaker 2: Ease so you know it's a nerdy kick. Yeah, sure

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we'll stand that. Ear and breakfast yeah why not?

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Speaker 3: You know it can be you know, whatever food you

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want to go with the beer, but as long as

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you have it cereal, sure that's what you want to do.

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But just make sure you're ready to go. Whenever the

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Tigers kick off. Don't allow that clock to fool you.

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It's always a great time to go for do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an early kick, but you still got to

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get your mind right. You still got to get ready.

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You still got to beat loud. So when you're getting

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ready for tailgating, you know, maybe go buy you a

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little six pack, maybe twelve pack, and then ask everybody

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around that rounds you what they're drinking today, because you're

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gonna be drinking.

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Speaker 2: Do sekis.

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Speaker 4: If you see Jake and I walking around camust be

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sure to hold it up. Say cheers, go for dose,

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trink responssibly.

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Speaker 1: Thanks selection.

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Speaker 7: Speaking so long, Amida as you call. I know this

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sh I've had your wing. I've been so busy, but

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I've been thinking about what want of doing you.

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Speaker 2: I know them money guys.

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Speaker 7: If they've been talking about the way I do.

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Speaker 1: I do from the locker room to the airwaves, it's

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off the bench with Jacob Ester and Matt Flynn.

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Speaker 7: I want to get you.

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Speaker 2: I can see you on me.

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Speaker 8: Too, and make them.

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Speaker 2: Hello, what's up much? Hey, welcome back to the show.

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But just a heads up. He did no floaters again, so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on me and I didn't get none, none,

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not a single one.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my bad. Guys.

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Speaker 4: I'm still getting used to hosting the show when I

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have to.

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Speaker 2: You did great.

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Speaker 4: I'm more of like a color commentator kind of guy.

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So there's some like techniques and things that you gotta

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do when you're kind of hosting it. That's you know

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that I'm just not used to. It's okay, we did it,

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we made it.

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Speaker 2: I thought you did great.

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Speaker 4: I thought we did better yesterday than today. Like I said,

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right now, grade yourself Okay, it's good. Grade myself yesterday

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I would give myself.

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Speaker 9: I agree, I would give you like a seven and

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a half yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know I'll take that right out of the gate.

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Speaker 3: You're probably pretty excited, you know, you're like, oh, Jake's

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not in.

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Speaker 2: I got this then it saw me, me, me, me,

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And that's a little bit o crap it me me right.

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Oh boy, I don't know about this. I appreciate it.

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Like we're gonna talk about the Brian Kelly thing again,

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I appreciate you all holding it down. Yeah. The yeah,

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the old sickness going through the.

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Speaker 3: House, I got you, brother, that's yeah, it's going around,

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like I know, and we usually avoid it, like we're

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usually really like really good. Maybe maybe one of the

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seven of us gets it this time, my friend, right, not.

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Speaker 2: This time when it goes to the Flint household. Yeah,

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if one person had something ever like and it usually

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takes about four weeks to get through everybody. I like

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it it happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, you know, you know, it's like we

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don't have we don't have family in like anywhere in

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the area, right, So like for us.

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, these kids got to get to school.

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Probably need to find something. How's that going? Somebody some

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sort of help, right, got somebody?

475
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 4: I mean it's a city full of people, you know,

476
00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:22,440
but I know you don't have family either though I don't.

477
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 2: But we got people.

478
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people, Yeah, people I got I got a

479
00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:30,240
guy that has a guy has a Nick Sabeman's coming.

480
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 9: But the coach, hairstylists and barbers know, they do, know,

481
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,079
they do consation. I mean, you're sitting in the chair me,

482
00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:43,279
I'm sitting there for like six hours. We're going to

483
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,079
have a conversation. I'm getting my hair done.

484
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,079
Speaker 2: You do have lots of hair, a lot of hair.

485
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 9: I'm getting it done tomorrow. I'm really excited because you're

486
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:58,079
when you leave it Sunday, I'll be back Friday.

487
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,079
Speaker 2: That's right, some week long deal. Yeah, we just take

488
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,720
Friday off. What you doing? I just come back, just

489
00:21:01,319 --> 00:21:05,160
hang out with Taylor. That that's bad, but also having

490
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:05,960
to come to work.

491
00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:12,279
Speaker 9: Forday ah, we'll just do it on remote.

492
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,039
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, it's fine. Ill will add to the timeline.

493
00:21:16,079 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 8: That's actually that's actually true, the way this is going,

494
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,079
they'll add to it.

495
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be nice to release it though, and then

496
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,079
just add to it as we go. Needs.

497
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 8: She needs to make some them and then have like

498
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,960
blank slides at the end of there's more coming.

499
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 3: No, you're doing the work. You gotta you gotta present that. Yeah.

500
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 2: Were you listening to the show first hour? Though?

501
00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:36,599
Speaker 1: No?

502
00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: I told I broke the new we broke news again?

503
00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:42,359
You did? Yeah? Oh no, what was this? I have

504
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,680
a have a buddy, let's get his haircut. Hair stylace

505
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,359
said Nick.

506
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 9: Saban is gonna be the coach, So I'm saying hair solace.

507
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: No.

508
00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: This might have been before the odds went to two

509
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:02,000
to one too. I don't know. People are talking though,

510
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,519
people that cut hair.

511
00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 3: Again, like this is one of those ones that and

512
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,039
I hope y'all know this about this show by now.

513
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: We do like we do not.

514
00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: Care to admit if we were wrong, if we're wrong,

515
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,240
like we're gonna be like, oh my god, we screwed

516
00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:20,000
that up.

517
00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: That's us are bad end up.

518
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 3: I don't think it's even a remote possibility, but I

519
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,400
would love to be like, oh my gosh, I was wrong.

520
00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love it.

521
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm biased, obviously, it's the man that

522
00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:38,079
gave me every opportunity in life.

523
00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:40,519
Speaker 2: Because he brought me here. So that's what we were

524
00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:41,000
talking about.

525
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 4: Like what you know, Taylor asked me the question before

526
00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:47,079
he entered his agism thoughts about like what I would feel,

527
00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:52,119
and it was I don't. I would be excited because

528
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,359
it'd be a it'd be a switch, it'ld be like

529
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,079
a certainly an energy boost. You like, there's you can't

530
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,359
it's the trump card, right, Like, there's nothing you could

531
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,680
say about it besides does he really want to? But

532
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,880
that was my thing, like why would he want to?

533
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,000
Why would he want to? And I think that's everybody's opinion,

534
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,240
but hell, if he really wants to, let's ride. If

535
00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:13,920
he wants to, I'll go pick him up. Yeah, that's

536
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,160
a little tricky situation. Your name's on another team in

537
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,119
the SEC's field. Yeah, but that is This is one

538
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,480
of the things that he always said was one of

539
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,759
his biggest regrets was leaving LSHU. Now that's a loaded statement,

540
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,279
of course, because it was the NFL switch and all

541
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:35,680
that stuff. But look, if I don't know, but at

542
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,960
Lante brought up the point too, it's like you left

543
00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:41,680
college football because of the state of college football. Really, yeah,

544
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:43,839
it's not any different maybe there's a little bit more

545
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,599
guardrails on it now, and there's going to be more

546
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,599
guardrails each.

547
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: And every year.

548
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: But it was like with the s show, that's happening

549
00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:58,880
with the LSU situation from the top down in Louisiana. Yeah, Governor, President,

550
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,319
Border supervisors, all that stuff. I said, any head coach

551
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,839
that comes in is going to be at the bottom

552
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,720
of that pecking order unless it's Nick Saban. And I

553
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:09,279
think everybody in Louisiana would say yes, sir to Nick Saban.

554
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:16,079
Speaker 3: And that means everybody, oh even yes, like even if

555
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:18,279
like we had questions about okay, like I don't know

556
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,960
what Taylor said, but you know he was hating on

557
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,000
his age, which rude.

558
00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: Anybody's age, but wow, Taylor, but like yeah, I mean

559
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,160
we've been talking about Nick Saban coming back to LSU

560
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,880
since he left. It was twenty years ago. R right,

561
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,960
Oh my god, it was twenty years yeah yeah, I

562
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,519
mean shut up.

563
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, even though he's seventy four, Like, no, he

564
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:44,039
cares about that.

565
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean think I think the governor would even

566
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:47,039
say yes sir, right.

567
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:51,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, well say like that would be the only one

568
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:56,440
yeah initially or would save it and eventually make him right.

569
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 9: Right, because it's like such Napoleon what do they call it?

570
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,279
Napoleon's and yeah, yeah, I just don't think.

571
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Saban walks in a room, it's like a

572
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:07,079
few energy. Yeah.

573
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: Oh, I have never seen somebody of of of his

574
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,759
size and statue like walk into a room and immediately

575
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,240
everybody sits up in their chair.

576
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. It doesn't matter who you are. He

577
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:21,880
would walk into that.

578
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: He would walk into that loting room and the biggest

579
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,359
Marcus spears straight up in his chair.

580
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't matter who it was.

581
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: He can walk into that board of supervisors and everybody,

582
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,440
including the person at the.

583
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: Top, would sit up in their chairs. Yep.

584
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 4: No, is that the same way because the Taylor's takes

585
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,279
I don't know.

586
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: At question, did Taylor have him one foot in the

587
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,039
nursing home?

588
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,559
Speaker 2: He did, so, Jake.

589
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 8: What I was asking was like, okay, like it's Saban's age,

590
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,359
how long is he going to want to do this?

591
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,880
So I was like, my question would be, like a

592
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,039
lot of people have brought up Kelvin Shepherd, like some

593
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:01,839
people have said he hadn't had to coaching experience.

594
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: That's a concern of mine. So my question was, like,

595
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000
if say it only wants.

596
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 8: To be here two or three years, would he bring

597
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,000
a younger guy with him that LSU loves like learn

598
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:10,680
under him for a few years and then that guy

599
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:11,279
take over.

600
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:13,839
Speaker 4: Maybe, But then at that point you're kind of hiring

601
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:17,039
two head coaches at once. Let's just stick, all right,

602
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,759
you'd have to know for sure. Well, that's what I'm saying,

603
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:25,000
savings some time to like pick I don't know, seventy

604
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,279
five to one to two to one overnight.

605
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,279
Speaker 2: From the list of people that I have heard, at

606
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,000
least it is exciting.

607
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: I mean, coach Saban's probably one of those names where

608
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,359
maybe you don't think it's gonna happen, but you're gonna

609
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,160
you're gonna do your due diligence, like you're gonna kick

610
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:45,920
the tires on it.

611
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,599
Speaker 2: But I'm saying he wouldn't be intimidated about what's happening.

612
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:54,599
Speaker 3: Is that let me ask you all, this, is that

613
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,559
the only person that y'all could hire and talking about

614
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:02,640
the board like and kind of make some of all

615
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720
the drama that's led us to this point go away.

616
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:09,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's the only hire. Nobody can poke holes in. Yeah,

617
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:11,359
it's ultimate trump.

618
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody can forget about how we got here. Yeah,

619
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,960
and nobody, nobody could put a timeline that a Launders

620
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:17,759
having to put together.

621
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 9: It would be water under the bridge.

622
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, the timeline would dissolve, it would just disappear, like

623
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,240
that's silly old thing. That's silly old thing. It was

624
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:28,359
ages ago. That wasn't even real.

625
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 9: You never said family.

626
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: We heard and Kelly multiple years we could get saving back.

627
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,319
It was all part of the plant or the plan.

628
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:45,039
Mhmm yeah, mhm mule Odds makers. We appreciate the content.

629
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 9: It feels like Vegas just taking advantage of LSU fans

630
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,200
that are hoping for the best.

631
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: That's what I think it is. That's a good take

632
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,279
right there. I like that.

633
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: I think there's there is some limits on how much

634
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,799
you can place on future headco ching Odds.

635
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 9: Really yeah, did you see they put yeah, we put

636
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,279
that that limit on there, and people were like they

637
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,400
put caps on beds before they did a salary cap.

638
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: Was it two hundred?

639
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 4: Because those those two cats are what for the guardians

640
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,880
or facing years and sixty five years in prison.

641
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,319
Speaker 9: It's a long time, but you're making millions of dollars

642
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,079
and you risked it for like what fourteen grand?

643
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah sixty five show.

644
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 8: Has pissed about the two hundred dollar cap. Yeah, I'm

645
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,640
never going to be over that. M m fact that

646
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,160
they were like show how we don't care.

647
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: But if you were baseball, I would wipe that so

648
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,519
far they did on the rug.

649
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:52,839
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? Yeah, that's the cash cow. Getting back to.

650
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:02,079
Speaker 3: The whoever the coach is going to be, I hope

651
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:06,680
they take a hard look at the defensive staff before

652
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:07,519
they they make it.

653
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,839
Speaker 2: Let's not make any snap decisions on that. Now.

654
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,359
Speaker 3: On the other side of the ball, do what you want,

655
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,839
but whatever you want, whatever you want there. But like

656
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,720
the defensive staff, like I'm sitting there calling the game

657
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,119
on Saturday, and I'm like, man, God, they are trying

658
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:24,240
everything they possibly do now right, They're pushing so many

659
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:27,279
right buttons and outside of the like the play before

660
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:29,200
half where you're a man coverage and you just get beat.

661
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,279
You shouldn't have even been in that situation because the

662
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:33,759
often should have helped you out and rent the clock

663
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,720
out or at least ran it down. So I hope

664
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,400
they take it like whoever comes in, well, they'd be foolish,

665
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,599
not too right, I know, because like that defensive staff

666
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,960
wants to be here, Like Corey Raymond played here, Kyle

667
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,240
played here, Blake played down the road.

668
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:50,839
Speaker 2: But Blake's you know, got strong ties to l s U.

669
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: Jake Golsen's been here multiple times. Kevin Peeple's done have

670
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,119
to ties it all the other people have, but he's

671
00:29:58,119 --> 00:29:59,359
done a good job here.

672
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a defensive staff.

673
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: Att It's a defensive staff that like if they were

674
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:08,240
to get let go, they could all go as a

675
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,039
group together and go get any defensive coaching job in

676
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:17,720
the country, right anything, So like you would be foolish

677
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,680
for a head coach not to at least I'm not

678
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,200
I'm not gonna say kick the tires because I think

679
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,440
that's disrespectful, but then at least not give them a good, good,

680
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,880
good hard look, Like what are you going to bring

681
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,160
to the table, Like maybe you're loyal. Maybe a head

682
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,039
coach comes in and he's loyal to a coordinator or

683
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,279
a linebacker's coach something that's been with him forever and

684
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:37,440
they came up the ranks together.

685
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,079
Speaker 2: That's fine.

686
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,759
Speaker 4: I get that, But like keep as much in place

687
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,240
as possible because like you said, most of the guys

688
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,680
on this defensive staff are LSU people. Now they're coaches,

689
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,839
so they'll coach anywhere. Yeah, but they're LSU people. They

690
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,440
want to be here and they are good.

691
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

692
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,279
Speaker 3: You know, it's what we're talking about Eli drinkers the

693
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,160
other day off air, Like if his name comes up,

694
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,000
I know what I think about drink.

695
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm more to drink. He knows.

696
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: He knows all the defense staff because that's where they

697
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,599
came from. That's where Jake, Uh, Blake, Kevin, they all

698
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,799
came from Missoo to l s U.

699
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: Right, So he's staff changes at all.

700
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: It should it shouldn't. It shouldn't change with anybody, Like,

701
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:24,319
who're you gonna get to replace Corey Raymond? Yeah, the

702
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,839
bright spot of this entire team.

703
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: Somebody made that mistake before he goes he's.

704
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, did replace Cory Raymond?

705
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,359
Speaker 2: I forgot?

706
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: Well, Uh, Carrie way Is Cooks, Kerry Cooks, Harry Cooks,

707
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,119
he's a Rice now.

708
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:45,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

709
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Speaker 4: By the guy that has been the architect of dB

710
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U for a long time, brought in people, loyal people,

711
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,920
l s U guys through and through, and the bright

712
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,039
spot of our team this year has been the defensive backs,

713
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,759
the effort they're playing with, the technique they're playing with,

714
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:05,720
making plays all over the field, Like if they if

715
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,160
our defensive backfield wasn't as good as it has been

716
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,599
this year with some of the like there's been some

717
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,119
effort moments. We pointed some effort moments out in some

718
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,079
of the film review. Now that that was gone, maybe

719
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:18,720
that was a game or two we only seen it,

720
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:22,319
but that defensive backfield's played fantastic. I thought the defensive

721
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,720
lines played really good for the pieces that they have.

722
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: They don't have like any.

723
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: No, because they were Bo Diddley was recruiting a different

724
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,200
defensive tackle that didn't fit the needs of this scheme, right,

725
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,160
so you're kind of putting it together with dug tape

726
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,240
and super glue of Yeah, Jacobin.

727
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: Gillery's gotten a lot better.

728
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: And that's an older veteran player that you kind of thought,

729
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Okay at this point he is the player that he is.

730
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,839
But Kyle's done a really nice job with him.

731
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: Let me tell you that. Well, everyone was kind of

732
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,799
glimming dam with Bo Davis decided to leave. Oh she

733
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,640
got an upgrade.

734
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

735
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Speaker 4: As far as technique, Yeah, for a guy that's played

736
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,480
it a long time.

737
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Speaker 2: Oh Man speaks to a group of men. I'm not

738
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,119
saying Bo was not great at that, but like Kyle Williams,

739
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,920
to me, is a special hire for that situation, and

740
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,440
a guy that, like again Lsu, he didn't have to

741
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do this right now.

742
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Speaker 4: He just wants to help Lsue, wants to coach Lsue

743
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,240
be a part of the game, give back. So I

744
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think any defensive coach that came out would be lucky

745
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to have a lot of that stuff.

746
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Speaker 3: All right, well, step way more OTB when we come

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and it's like we still have to shower, we still

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got to do dishes, we still got to do laundry.

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If you don't have a tangless water heater. Well, you

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Are you just gotta take cold shower? But if you

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Speaker 2: They can install that central plumbing dog you mean never

765
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eventually it runs out? Right, No, it does not. You

766
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can tell you a year it would never run out. Yeah.

767
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I don't know why you do that, but yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: From the locker room to the airwaves gets off the

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bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.

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Speaker 2: That's not.

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Speaker 7: Because I need Bobby.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 2: Hello, is sound getting a chat? Uh? Uh uh?

787
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Speaker 3: You think they ever do that? Like when they're like

788
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hiring some new staff, like a team building moment.

789
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Speaker 4: Yeah, like a safety meet, like a week in safety meeting.

790
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Star started to finish it with pala, Yeah, uh, finish it.

791
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They all put their hands in the middle. Yeah, Pala

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on three, Pala on me one two three, pala pala.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There you got it.

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Speaker 3: And if they don't, if they don't do that, then

795
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I'm gonna be disappointed now, So hopefully they do that.

796
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It's back litt report.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Warming up today. You know the best Oh

798
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it's Louisiana.

799
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Speaker 3: You know the best part about the whole coaching search thing.

800
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It's November the twelfth.

801
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Speaker 2: Turkeys haven't even been slaughtered yet.

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Speaker 3: Y'all know, there's a real there's a chance that we

803
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could be over forty days away from hiring a new coach. Depending, yeah,

804
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it could be forty days.

805
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Speaker 4: Well, they said today, as long as possible. If they're

806
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going after Wane might be until January.

807
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just have forty I figured like almost January, good,

808
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,719
good round number.

809
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Speaker 2: That didn't get us a January buddy. I mean it's

810
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almost thirty one.

811
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 3: Let's see how many more days we got to EATSK

812
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fifty fifty okay, fifty days of speculation, fifty days of wondering,

813
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:40,159
fifty days.

814
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Speaker 2: Of timeline betting odds. That'd be fun.

815
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: No, even if you hire somebody that is not in

816
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,880
the Coege football playoff or not in conference championship weekend,

817
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:03,719
you're probably looking at maybe three weeks. Three weeks sounds

818
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,599
a lot better than fifty days of knowing who the

819
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:09,960
leader of your program is going to be.

820
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look happened.

821
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,679
Speaker 3: This happens like John Summerrall last year probably would have

822
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,440
gone to a power forward job, but Tulane was still

823
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,440
playing for things, he still had a conference championship, and

824
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,239
he's like, hey, the timing's just not right right now,

825
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,679
and he decided to delay to here.

826
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: And John Summer is gonna get one of these jobs.

827
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,079
I don't know which one.

828
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: He's gonna get one of them, but he could have

829
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,559
done it last year. He just he's like, yeah, you

830
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:40,079
know what, we're still playing all right, it's not right,

831
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,119
Like I want to be here for this conference championship

832
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:44,840
game and we'll kick the can down the road a.

833
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,039
Speaker 2: Little bit that so we did so.

834
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,039
Speaker 3: Not just let me ask you this your timing, it's

835
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theirs too.

836
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:56,679
Speaker 4: If now we what we saw against Aldam was the

837
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,239
lack of execution, it was you saw a change I

838
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,280
thought of just the feel of the way the LSUE

839
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,960
is playing. Can they keep that up? It's a week

840
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:07,159
it's going to be the game two with an interim coach.

841
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,920
You've kind of the interm bump is gone. That's usually

842
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,840
just the week after h But can they keep playing

843
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,920
like that? I believe they will. I believe they're t

844
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:19,519
You know, you got to understand what to play for.

845
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,360
You're playing. These individuals are playing for themselves right now,

846
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:24,440
for the team as a whole. But like they have

847
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,119
to put good tape out there, so there's things to

848
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:30,199
motivate this team with. Now, let's just play it hypothetical

849
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,719
here that no one expects to see or wants to see.

850
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,639
But let's play a hypothetical where they don't go and

851
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:36,880
put a product out on the field that's improved and

852
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,760
they don't execute and bad things happen on the outcome

853
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,599
going forward this season, does that timeline or urgency speed

854
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:48,679
up for you and the hiring process for LSU? Like,

855
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,360
I know you said all the things, We're going to

856
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,920
get the best head coach as long as it takes

857
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,159
whatever that is. But if things start to slide, is

858
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:57,679
that urgency pick up? Because I think I think it's

859
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,639
like Frank Wilson can write the ship. From a recruiting standpoint,

860
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,280
let's show some five like we can still maintain our recruits,

861
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,880
can we maintain our current players? All this stuff? But

862
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,559
if it starts a slide, are you like, okay, now

863
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,280
let's cast a bigger net. Let's make sure. Let's now

864
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,719
start eliminating people that we know are going to take

865
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,119
fifty days.

866
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: Because we have to do something. Now, that's actually a

867
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,480
good question. Thank you, Good for you, Thank you. I

868
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:27,280
just came up with it.

869
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,519
Speaker 3: On the old nugging and I actually I think there's

870
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,599
something to it because to your point, let's say it's

871
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:36,800
the worst case scenario.

872
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: Let's say you lose to Arkansas. We don't think it

873
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,880
will be, but you beat.

874
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: Western Kentucky and know, yeah, there's nothing you can do, and.

875
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,199
Speaker 2: Then you lose to Oklahoma.

876
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 3: Do you want to sit and let that just fester

877
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,639
for four or five weeks? Probably not even because if.

878
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,559
Speaker 4: You lose to Arkansas and the only makeup game you

879
00:40:58,599 --> 00:40:59,960
have to wait two weeks to play a real game.

880
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, even if that happens. So to your point,

881
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:08,480
if it's sliding, you don't want to crash. Do you

882
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:09,360
become less picky?

883
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:14,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, not even less picky. Not because I think there's

884
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,920
I think there's plenty of people on this list. I

885
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,400
think there's five guys right now that you could hire

886
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,119
that would come in here and win and be a

887
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,440
great hire. We got five, So I wouldn't say less picky.

888
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:32,360
I would just say less patient with waiting on that

889
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,599
person because of their situation.

890
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: And I agree.

891
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,599
Speaker 3: If you have no momentum and it's like you got

892
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,800
this high school signing class, and let's not forget you

893
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,760
still got some Jimmy's and Joe's in that class, it's

894
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:50,840
it's still a top class. Yeah, you might want to

895
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,400
make sure that you go ahead and get some positive

896
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,800
momentum and get a leader in front of the building.

897
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Speaker 2: It's not wait to old misk it's knocked out of playoffs, right, Yeah,

898
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:01,800
I don't think. I don't. I don't. I just don't

899
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,840
believe that's what I get past.

900
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Speaker 8: In a perfect world for me. December third. You have

901
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to have a coach. I know you don't, but I

902
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would like.

903
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Speaker 2: One, especially if you slide.

904
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Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a break, continue that conversation when

905
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we come back here on O TV.

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943
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make sure you reach out to them if you're you know,

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a law firm, if you're a hospital, a university, engineering firm,

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so many different things they can.

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Speaker 2: Help you with.

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Speaker 3: Go to gcopnet dot com. Do we care if it's

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an offense or a defensive minded head coach for olishue,

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because I'm.

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Speaker 9: Going I think, yeah, I think the defense, said staff

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is so strong, and the defense, even though there were

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a couple of games where they kind of faded a

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little bit, which again is I feel on the offense

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because they could stay on the field long enough. But

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I just feel like our foundation on the defensive side

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of the ball is perfectly fine how it is. So

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I would like an offensive mine because we obviously don't

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have that now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd prefer offense for sure. But look, if there's

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a guy out there that's a defensive mind that you

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love that wants to call him.

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Speaker 2: Like, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 8: But I prefer offense.

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Speaker 4: I really don't care. We have to improve on offense. Obviously,

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the foundation of our current offense is poor to quite poor.

966
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I want I want somebody or a head coach. I

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just want somebody to come in that's going to reset

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the standard and accept nothing less than that. Said standard

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that he sets. I don't care if he's offensive defenses,

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but yes, we do have to improve the offense because

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it's poop.

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Speaker 2: All right, hour three and you're coming back your way

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on O TV.

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Speaker 1: Off the bench,