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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up

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where we left off with the tovin Owell interview with

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the OIG Inspectors. Question, so you're saying it's common to

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fill them out ahead of time, but it's not common

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not to conduct the counts, Noel, the counts correct question. Okay,

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how often were they when you worked in the shoe.

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How often were the counts not conducted? Noel? They were done? Question?

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They were always done when you were in there before. Noel. Yes. Question.

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And this is again one of those things. If we

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go back to the video from the days prior, because

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we had to get the video from these days, if

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we review that, are we going to is it going

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to show you conducting the counts? Noel? Yeah, I don't

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have to conduct the count because if I'm working with

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two or more people, they could have did the count

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So it doesn't necessarily have to be you're going to

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see me on the video, but you will see the

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counts being done if you get what I'm saying. Question. No,

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I understand what you're saying, Noel. If three of us

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are working, those two could have did it. It doesn't

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have to be me redacted. So when you were in

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the shoe, if you didn't do it, did the two

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other people always do it? Noel? Yeah. Question? All right,

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were you ever on count slips, your assigned count slips

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that you personally didn't conduct? Noel? No question. So you

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never signed? He gets cut off by Noel if I

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ever signed the count slips. But that the night before

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the roundsheet I did? Question? I'm sorry, what was that, Noel?

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The round sheets? I did the account slips, No question.

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The roundsheets? You did? What? Noel? On the ninth when

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I filled out the entire count slips, I didn't conduct

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every single round? Question? You didn't conduct every single round Noel,

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no question. So what about on previous incidents, we can

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switch over to the rounds. That's fine, In previous instances

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when you worked in the shoe, where the rounds conducted

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as displayed on the count sheets, Noel, No question. But

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the count you're saying they were always conducted when you

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worked in the shoe, Noel, yes. Question. So this was

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just a rare instance, Noel, It wasn't rare. It was

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because he was exhausted and he was tired, and he

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didn't want to count, so we didn't count. Question. But

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then you also say redacted at ten pm also was exhausted. Noel. Yes,

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and yes, I know because I did it, and I

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wasn't supposed to do it. That's why I didn't continue

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to do it, because I'm really not supposed to count

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to go down range by myself, so I didn't continue

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to do it. Question, You didn't continue to do what Noel?

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The count by myself question? All right, but you did

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the entire count at ten pm, Noel. Yes. Question. Were

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there other instances that you worked in the shoe where

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other people were too tired to conduct their round Noel, No,

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because I usually she gets cut off or the counts,

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not rounds counts, Noel, Because I usually come in on

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the shift prior. I don't work that, so I don't

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know what goes on. Because there's the tired time question, right, Noel.

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So I usually come in before that, so I don't

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have to deal with that question. All right, But it

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was just he gets cut off by Noel, It was

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just one day. Question. It's the one day no conversations

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were had. You try to wake them up. He didn't

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wake up, so you just didn't do them, and then

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you didn't even have to say like, hey man, we

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need to do these things, or like there was just

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an unspoken thing that he was tired, so you weren't

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just going to do them. Noel, say that again, question,

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I'm just trying to like it sounds like it would

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be common practice to do this. If there's no conversation

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that we're had. Usually it would be like, hey, if

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this is the first time I'm not going to do something,

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I would say like, hey, is it cool that we're

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not doing this, or some kind of conversation, unless it

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was something that you had learned or experienced in the

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past that like we don't do counts at this time, Noel,

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but I had never worked a shoe at that time. Foy.

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This is calling for you to explain your interaction with

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Thomas as it relates to the count in particular. Right redacted, correct, Foy,

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he's asleep. What's the interaction? What did you say? What

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did he what did he say? Did you ask one time,

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did you ask multiple times? Did he affirmatively say no?

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Or did he just continue to sleep. That's the level

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of detail they're asking for. Question. Yeah, we're asking you

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to explain all of your interactions with Thomas with regard

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to the count's Noel. Well, when it was time to count,

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because I remember I'm going upstairs to count, so I

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wake him up to count, and he was like, I'm tired.

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He was like, we have the count slip. I'm tired.

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He went back to sleep. When the lieutenant came, I

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woke them up because the lieutenant was coming. He fell

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back asleep in front of the lieutenant. She said, hey,

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you need to wake up. He couldn't stay awake. I

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went upstairs and I counted, Foy, go back to the lieutenant.

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Explain that in more detail. There's details that you're leaving

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out of the interaction between Thomas and the lieutenant with

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respect to him sleeping. Noel, Oh, I woke him up.

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The lieutenant came. She came, she found the round sheet.

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He fell back asleep in front of her. She said, hey,

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you need to wake up. She had papers and she

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hit him. She says, you need to wake up, Foy.

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That's what I'm talking about, Noel. She hit him with

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a stack of papers. So saying that to say, like

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everybody knows, like, because we're understaffed and overworked. So let's

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say if I was to tell on Thomas, that's who

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I would have to hold it to. She was there

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and she saw it. Question, So she knew, So you

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didn't go as far as like, if you were going

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to report someone sleeping on duty, you didn't need to

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report it because she saw it with her own eyes, Noel, exactly. Question.

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And he was literally fell asleep in front of her. Noel,

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in front of her, Yeah question. How long was she there? Noel,

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maybe like five minutes, ten minutes. Question and that little

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brief interaction, he actually went to sleep in front of her, Noel.

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Yeah question. Okay, so no discussions with Thomas just when

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you would wake him up, He just said that he

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was tired, Noel. Yes. Question. Did you try to wake

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him up for each count? Noel. I tried to wake

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him up for the twelve and three. I don't remember

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if I tried to wake them up for the five

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because by that time he went upstairs. I remember he

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went upstairs to relieve her dacted, and I don't remember

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what happened between there and as far as waking them up. Question,

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all right, and as far as the inaccuracy of the

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one count specifically now we're talking about twelve am that

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it was actually it's off. He got a call, but

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he didn't talk to you about what was said on

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the other line, Noel. No, he said, well, got to

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change the count slip and he wrote it and he

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changed it and I signed. Question all right, Noel. But

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he didn't say like, oh, the lieutenant, this happened or

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that happened? No question? All right? And have you ever

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experienced previous instances where the count was off from when

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it was called in, Like if you give the number

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and they say no, that's not right, Noel, Yes, question,

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And what happened in those instances? Noel? You recount? Question?

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You actually did a recount? Noel on well, not in

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the shoe and other units. Question and other units though,

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but do you know that that's what is supposed to

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be done. If you call in a wrong number, you're

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supposed to do a recount, Noel. Right, But I don't

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think that was the case with that, Like they called

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in and gave okay, that was the case, where like

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if I counted wrong and then they'll say no, it's wrong,

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and then I recount and I got the right number.

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But in this case, they gave him the number because

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of whatever. I guess they knew where the inmate was

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or was supposed to be or wasn't moved. That's what

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I'm saying. I don't know what happened between seventy three

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and seventy two. But when he changed the number, he said,

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the lieutenant said, so I just signed it. Question. But

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he didn't tell you, The lieutenant said, to a new count, Noel,

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no question. He never informed you of that, Noel, no question. Okay.

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So you didn't really get into detail about what he said, Noel,

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no question. Okay. But do you believe at twelve am

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a new slip was created? Just not that one that's

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not attached to that, the one that actually says seventy two,

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Noel indiscernible. Is that at twelve at twelve here it

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says seventy three. Question. Correct, But that was actually the

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top of the page says seventy two. And I thought

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that's the one that you said they made you recreate

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account slip, Noel Wright question, And that's not You don't

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see that new count slip on there? Correct? All right?

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And I know you did. They have the conversation with Thomas,

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because at twelve am he called the count in and

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they said he was wrong? Is that when he had

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the conversation with the lieutenant? Noel know the phone rang?

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Question all right? So who called the count in at

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twelve am? Noel me question And did you call also

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the call at three am and five am in Noel yes.

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Question all right. And obviously you called in without actually

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conducting the counts, correct Noel, yes. Question all right. Now

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it sounds like your attorney has and you have had

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this conversation. But what was the reason you didn't conduct

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the count question? I didn't conduct the count in my

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area because he was tired and were supposed to do

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them together, so I just didn't do them. Question okay,

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So would you have done them if he was awake? Noel, Yeah,

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because I did them upstairs. Question okay. And you're saying

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that you never worked the night shift before, but all

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the other accounts you have conducted that you've documented from

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previous Noel, Yeah. Question documented. You're saying you may have

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work with three other people and two of them may

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have done the counts when you've been present in the shoe,

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all the counts have been conducted. Noel, yes. Question okay.

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And do you know of any other CEOs or employees

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that have falsified count slips, Noel, count no question. No,

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so you don't know any other I know that you

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said you prepopulated them in a sense, but like as

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far as he's cut off by Noel. As far as

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other units, question not conducting the counts and actually writing

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a number then account do you know? Noel? Oh, no question.

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So all counts that have been submitted to this point,

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when you're in the shoe, someone conducted them. Question Noel, yes, question,

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And you said you never actually had a conversation with

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anyone about counts and how they're documented. You just observed

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as well, like on the round sheets, Noel. As far

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as having conversations, question, did anyone train you on how

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to write count slips? Noel, no question. No, So you

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just got it from watching other people fill them out.

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That's how you learned, Noel. Yeah, because it's just your

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name and the number of the count question. Sure, Noel,

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Uh huh question. Okay, do you want to take a

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break now, Foy Yeah, all right, So we're gonna wrap

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up right here as well, and in the next episode

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dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we

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