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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, thats are hello and welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jacob and today we have a long awaited show

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<v Speaker 1>that has been in the works for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if we could have thought of

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<v Speaker 1>a better person to get on this show than Robert

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<v Speaker 1>mordem from True Devil Worship on TikTok if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go check them out. I see you go live

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, and I love when people are coming

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<v Speaker 1>and battling you. It is the best. Dude. Could we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of go down the path of understanding how you

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<v Speaker 1>got here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I get as that every day a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually start off forgive me what brand of Satanists

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<v Speaker 3>are you? Because we have so many different nuances. We

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<v Speaker 3>just did an episode last week where there was like

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<v Speaker 3>ten different types that we were speaking about a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of them were very Levey, you know, spin offs or transhumanism,

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<v Speaker 3>worship of oneself or the divine being within us and

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<v Speaker 3>all of these things and not shitting on those. But

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<v Speaker 3>for your specific brand of Satanism or devil worship, I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard you use both of these interchangeably.

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<v Speaker 4>What specifically would you classify yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>As yeah, yeah, this is this is actual devil worship.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's theistic satanism, which is the earliest form in

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<v Speaker 2>the term itself. Like I don't agree with Anton Leavay

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<v Speaker 2>or atheistic satanism. I think that's like a self contradicted

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<v Speaker 2>concept earliest sources. I mean I got Arthur Waite, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eleven reference to Satanism under the umbrell of

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<v Speaker 2>Satanism coinciding with the grim warrion barm, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>Latin tex where we get the sigial elucifer from. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I'm part of that as far as I

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<v Speaker 2>know all other uses of the word satanism, as it's

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<v Speaker 2>after the pantheistic form.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so when you are worshiping your higher power, you

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<v Speaker 3>are in fact talking to the dark Lord. You're talking

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<v Speaker 3>to the bad guy from the Bible, not like a

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<v Speaker 3>metaphor of the bad entity, like you fully are speaking

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<v Speaker 3>to that guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>That is actually right of the Greek term Satinus, which

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<v Speaker 2>coincides with the same root prefix and our word for

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<v Speaker 2>Saturn Greece before that. So we don't worship the biblical satan.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the way Christians view gods is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>different kind of view them. Like people, we are animists,

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<v Speaker 2>we are pantheism, so we look to nature's mystical attribute

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<v Speaker 2>for like the divine and any pantheistic theology wook.

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<v Speaker 3>So how would this differ from wicca or nation a

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<v Speaker 3>nature worship so to speak, or even gnosticism. How does

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of differ from that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd say it's all matter for me. For like

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<v Speaker 2>sources like who was doing this the earliest as far

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<v Speaker 2>as we take it back to the earliest pantheistic cultures

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<v Speaker 2>worship devil statues, as far as we could take it back. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as gnosticism, I think that that could just

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<v Speaker 2>go hand in hand as devil worship, just like you

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<v Speaker 2>could kind of have witches practice in astrology practice and magic.

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<v Speaker 2>It all goes hand in hand. So gnosticism, devil worship, occultism,

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<v Speaker 2>and actual satanism all coincide.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, So you put astrology also in the

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<v Speaker 3>realm of satanistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, being a pantheist, and so that's how we

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<v Speaker 2>tap into nature. And now I would say that some

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<v Speaker 2>brand like a lot of pagans come in my chat

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<v Speaker 2>in my lives of all time, and we love it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, We're very eclectic. We go to all

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<v Speaker 2>cultures theology to look for Satanism, and so yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>So to uh, let's say a Nordic pagan who's reaching

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<v Speaker 3>out to you and is asking about how your beliefs

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<v Speaker 3>might coincide with their beliefs, you might draw comparisons to what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got, buddy. In the Nordic they love the

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<v Speaker 2>show Loki. Of course, many people familiar with it described

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<v Speaker 2>as what many would admit as kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>devil figure. But I would also say, with the sky

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<v Speaker 2>wolf Skull, you have a motif tapped into of the

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<v Speaker 2>solar ecliptic lunar worship of Skull the skywolf, which fits

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<v Speaker 2>with Rahuik serpentine worship in the East practiced by Hindus invaders.

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, that's very satanic and rooted in the

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<v Speaker 2>same kind of stuff we see. So would I would

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<v Speaker 2>draw the parallels in Norse veganism, the nature focus things

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<v Speaker 2>like that I think we see.

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<v Speaker 3>Old I might have missed this when you said that

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<v Speaker 3>you compare the the sun wolf and lunar wolf in

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<v Speaker 3>the Nordics to did you say a serpent to the east.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea Rahu is a solar ecliptic sky serpent, coinciding with

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<v Speaker 2>all devil theology, that all of these Satanistic cultures that

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<v Speaker 2>were dating back, like I said, all view like the

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<v Speaker 2>solar eclips the lunar clips as, like the centrality of nature,

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<v Speaker 2>the equilibrin of correspondence. That's what the baphomet really entails,

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<v Speaker 2>is that kind of balancing process of me.

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<v Speaker 3>So yes, okay, so you brought the baph met. I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard a lot of people say that that is not

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<v Speaker 3>true satan worship. That is more of a hermaphroditic sigil

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<v Speaker 3>or symbol, if you will, that people have kind of

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<v Speaker 3>taken and made into a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Where are you at on this?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, That's why I love source work. I go

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<v Speaker 2>back to eighteen fifty four, the guy who actually drew

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<v Speaker 2>that famous, the most famous drawing of the Bathmint Bribe

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<v Speaker 2>as a pantheistic the explanation of the figures right in

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the book. This would coincide with the

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<v Speaker 2>goat of Mendez, which I would say, I'd argue was Ahmit,

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<v Speaker 2>And just like the clip thing I told you moment

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<v Speaker 2>ago that the notion of baptism we're so accustomed to

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<v Speaker 2>you today is derivative in the Greek term baptizzo and

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<v Speaker 2>other inflectuble forms. So what I would say is that

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<v Speaker 2>was to immerge and cover the bap of omits in

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<v Speaker 2>the sky is the Bafomet. It is the immersion of

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<v Speaker 2>the sun and moon. And this was also had to

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<v Speaker 2>do something called kansu, which was the moon and water

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<v Speaker 2>element in Egypt. So the goat of Mendez, the bafa Met,

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<v Speaker 2>the sun and moon are all esoteric and animistic depictions.

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<v Speaker 2>People who take this picture and just turn it into

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<v Speaker 2>like a guy that they worship, and it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a perversion of the batman. But the initial stuff

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, now, who is the devil to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Just out of curiosity. I mean, I know that you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the book earlier. So is the devil not properly

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<v Speaker 1>depicted within any of the religious books?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not in the Abrahamic religions, because they're too late

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<v Speaker 2>in the game. We have the term devils derivative in

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<v Speaker 2>the stands for it dev diva, which had to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the light bear like Lucifer again with comparisons, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Debies and Devas were a masculine, feminine application of

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<v Speaker 2>the Baphomet. You could say, which is the all encompassing

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<v Speaker 2>reality of nature itself. So we look at that the

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<v Speaker 2>same I would say the term Satan likewise prefixed. You

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<v Speaker 2>have the Greek, you have some Hebrew and later forms

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<v Speaker 2>that would argue all this stuff is going before the Christians.

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<v Speaker 2>So the elites, I get asked that all the time

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<v Speaker 2>in life. What about the Playboy cardy? What about the government?

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<v Speaker 2>What about all this stuff? I'm not convinced as ran

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<v Speaker 2>by satan is. Look at Looching Greece in the Satanic Temple,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm not a part of. But that whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>they're making about the Ten Commandments in Washington, That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean is this is a Christian country.

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<v Speaker 3>You could say, no doubt, no doubt. You said earlier

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<v Speaker 3>that it was mentioned in Sanskrit. Now most scholars would

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<v Speaker 3>argue that Hebrew predates Sanskrit.

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<v Speaker 2>So Aaron I agree with scholars like I'm in Hilman

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, who's also studied the Cony Greek language. Over

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<v Speaker 2>I think like fifteen along with me, and we say,

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<v Speaker 2>guys like that We're gonna put the Greek before that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got a why I think Greek predates Hebrew. The

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<v Speaker 3>Greeks took over Israel. Bro, Like, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look at the sophistication in the etymology, at each

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<v Speaker 2>breaking down from Greek, Latin and English. There's a takeaway.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot get the sophistication and meticulous details of the

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<v Speaker 2>Greek language out of what the Hebrew gets. You can

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<v Speaker 2>get the Hebrew detailed out of the Greek, though, And

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<v Speaker 2>so when you're understanding how transliterative process of transmitting text works,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say the Greek goes before that. And all the

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<v Speaker 2>guys who actually take the courses in Greek or teach

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<v Speaker 2>Greek agree with me on that. Like I'm and Hillman

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<v Speaker 2>for instance. You know, the guy may be into whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but as a Greek scholar, he knows his stuff too.

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<v Speaker 3>That is one common Hillman's the guy that went on

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<v Speaker 3>saying Christos was the ointment thing correct.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the one that basically said that Jesus was

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<v Speaker 1>a pedophile leading little kids into a park.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, that was Danny Jones show.

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<v Speaker 3>I think is when I first heard him speak on it,

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<v Speaker 3>and then later there was like five scholars that broke downe.

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<v Speaker 3>That is actually where the example of like how language traverses.

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<v Speaker 3>Even within the Greek language, words don't mean the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing every single time they're being used the same way

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<v Speaker 3>that in our language we have a butt dial in

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<v Speaker 3>a booty call. Somebody reading American English two thousand years

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<v Speaker 3>from now would look at these texts and think somehow

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<v Speaker 3>these are the exact same thing because the words combined.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's not how language works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The reason that I'm in Hillman when my mod sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>Never heard of a guy before. But what caught my attention.

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<v Speaker 2>But he said is that the sept tuigen predates the Hebrew. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been saying that for fifteen years that there's no

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<v Speaker 2>evidence to the sept two agents of translation. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>underlying text. It doesn't match them as a retic or.

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<v Speaker 2>That's these grows exactly. There's a lot of textual variance

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<v Speaker 2>there that lends credence and I'd say balance in our

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<v Speaker 2>direction that the Greek is earlier than the Hebrew.

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<v Speaker 1>So the septuagen is written in Greek. Argument, Okay, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Sept tuigin is written in Greek.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I mean you also have to keep in

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<v Speaker 3>mind and when the Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt, like

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<v Speaker 3>before Greece was even what we even think of is Greece.

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<v Speaker 3>They were using the Hebrew language, they were speaking the

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<v Speaker 3>same That's okay, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>We can we can go in there the Egypt the

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<v Speaker 2>Greco Egyptian connection, like you brought up her Meticism, Hermes

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<v Speaker 2>Tursm of Justices a Greco. It was the Greek magic papyrus.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was all well after the Hebrews left Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily, because the earliest sources we have of the

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrews is presumably three hundred PCE or so in the

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<v Speaker 2>Dead Sea scrolls. I would argue way before that we

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<v Speaker 2>have evidence with the Egyptians with the cuneiform tablets, even

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<v Speaker 2>with the Canaanites with the cycle of bail tablets. El Elion,

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<v Speaker 2>this was their deity. It pops up in Genesis fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we could root it back there. Just like

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't say that Greek comes out of the Canaan language.

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<v Speaker 2>We wouldn't argue that, we'd say no.

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<v Speaker 3>But we would also say that the Egyptians didn't use

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<v Speaker 4>Did the Egyptians use their own version of.

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<v Speaker 2>Hieroglyphsifix though, which is of the same branch, I would argue,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's very similar. And I'd say a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people are traveling back and forth to Greece and Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have a lot of evidence and manuscripts for that.

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<v Speaker 4>This is true.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean even still, we didn't even know how

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<v Speaker 3>to read cuneiform b until the nineteen fifties. We've learned

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<v Speaker 3>how to read hieroglyphics since Napoleon. And it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>those are a one to one comparison by any stretch

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that the Rosetta Stone's a good example

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<v Speaker 2>that at any point in time an etymologists could tap

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<v Speaker 2>into parallelism in a language, especially as a comparative theologian,

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<v Speaker 2>where you could draw theology matching it as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's often, like the means, I rely on a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of scholars just rely on maybe like one method, I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen the barge well, you know, like you say, the

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew this is famous. Here we have some Greeks translating

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<v Speaker 2>in the culture here. Here's the issue with that. Why

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<v Speaker 2>in the hell would they be translating a Hebrew monotheistic

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<v Speaker 2>language into a pagan encoded polytheistic language. Keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, words today or not like back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then they were used sacredly, They were used cannotatingly

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<v Speaker 2>with their spirits. So Hebrews cannot intermingle in this strict

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew only God, these pagan words. I would think, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you, But the Rosetta Stone is not a

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<v Speaker 3>religious text, Like, there's nothing on it that speaks about God.

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<v Speaker 3>It is hieroglyphs, it's Hebrew, and it's Greek, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>none of that speaks about any kind of deities or

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<v Speaker 3>after life of that stuff. We use that as a

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, it's it's not the same like.

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<v Speaker 2>A polyglod is. What i'mant is that methodology could be

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<v Speaker 2>used to figure that out. I would say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>but they.

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<v Speaker 3>Weren't translating the Hebrew into pagan languages for the purpose

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<v Speaker 3>of proselytizing. If anything, the Hebrews and the Jews have

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<v Speaker 4>They don't really take many conference.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a whole process that doesn't work. Isaiah fourteen twelve

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<v Speaker 2>as a graphic example. Hebrews repudiate the notion that Lucifer

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<v Speaker 2>does that translation justice there of Hallau in the Hebrew,

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<v Speaker 2>but like you just said, they take in the Hebrew

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<v Speaker 2>and going to pagan languages like Latin. I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>how that's consistent, but you know, some people see it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm glad that you brought up the Book of Isaiah,

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<v Speaker 3>because there's examples of the Old Testament where they bring

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<v Speaker 3>up Satan and Lucifer, and then later on they even

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<v Speaker 3>use these words interchangeably. Hell, the Book of Enoch uses

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<v Speaker 3>snake and Saraphim almost interchangeably at times, and Saraham is

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<v Speaker 3>a rank of angel and snake. They meant to mean,

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<v Speaker 3>at least in the context and all that to mean

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<v Speaker 3>one of the dark lords of not Satan or one

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<v Speaker 3>of his demons or something.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have to look at the direct quote.

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<v Speaker 3>But they use this interchangeably a lot, and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of that goes back to the like you said, the

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<v Speaker 3>etymology and the symbolism that was used. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the I would even say not Christian obviously, but the

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<v Speaker 3>early Hebrew sigils that they would use to refer to Yahweh.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them, I'm drawing to blankle the name, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was a scribe for a has the King. His

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<v Speaker 3>schigul for Yahweh actually was like a circle with a

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<v Speaker 3>crown on top of it, with two winged serpents on

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<v Speaker 3>either side. But those were meant to be seraphim, the

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<v Speaker 3>angels that would be on either side of God, not

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<v Speaker 3>wing snakes type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's from Isaiah chapter six. The Sarah are serpents there.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the assumption I'd say being made, if anything,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in a compound form of the suffix, is that, hello,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something called a nominous sacra, which is more of

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<v Speaker 2>an abbreviated utilization of the letter in these manuscripts, to

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<v Speaker 2>save space, to save time, what have you. You could

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<v Speaker 2>argue technically that the hallel saraf that the howling serpent

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<v Speaker 2>is depicted and included there, and hence Lelucifer and Lucifer

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<v Speaker 2>would fit to the Latin at least as far as

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<v Speaker 2>the phonetics and the constant.

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<v Speaker 3>It depends on the context, right, because Lucifer in some

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<v Speaker 3>cases means light bringer, and sometimes it does refer to

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<v Speaker 3>the dude running hell.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're according to the story and all that. So

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<v Speaker 4>it depends on in what context.

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<v Speaker 2>That is true, of course in all cases. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would say at least a word in Latin, because keep

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<v Speaker 2>in mind, Jesus is called Lucifer in the Latin vulcate

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<v Speaker 2>and Second Peter, chapter one, verse nineteen, kind of hard

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<v Speaker 2>to translate these Christian values into these Pagan words because

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<v Speaker 2>it caused a lot of confusion.

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<v Speaker 3>He's referred to as the morning star. That's that's not

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<v Speaker 3>the word for that would be Lucifer, but it's not

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<v Speaker 3>calling him the name of but it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Call him the name of Lucifer in the Latin bulgate.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to check the Latin vulgate though it's Second

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<v Speaker 2>Peter one nineteen.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, okay, I'll definitely check this out.

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<v Speaker 3>But okay, so let me let me ask you this,

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<v Speaker 3>how did you get into this? And you know, not

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<v Speaker 3>the whole backstory of your childhood, although if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to go that route, we can no doubt, but most

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<v Speaker 3>people don't get brought into this type of thinking, this

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<v Speaker 3>type of would you call it worship?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's on, you know, with that Greek term plasta

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<v Speaker 2>net owent tales as far as worship, Like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>I have nothing to do with the way the Christians

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<v Speaker 2>are using that term. I'd argue, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So how did you get started in this and get

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<v Speaker 3>as concrete in your beliefs as you did or as

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<v Speaker 2>Christian theologian or fifteen years ago and coming, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just a debating basically every single denomination we could come across,

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<v Speaker 2>every single religion we can, and just knowing it. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you just start getting used to it and

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<v Speaker 2>realize that you start expanding. I guess what happened. So

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<v Speaker 2>gnosticism and ancient Egypt is exactly what I started looking into,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as Elfis Levi, which was very influential on me,

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<v Speaker 2>and the occult and the association of the bathman and

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<v Speaker 2>how everything that these likewise former theologians. So I can

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<v Speaker 2>relate to these guys on that Heiner Cornelie is the grip,

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<v Speaker 2>but elf Is Levi, you know, even Alista Crowley's writings

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<v Speaker 2>that caught my attentions as a guy coming out of Christianity.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how I got into it. And I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>the occult and just taking it serious and knowing how

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<v Speaker 2>people bullshit around in the church, I was able to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of diverge through the bullshit of like pseudo occultism

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<v Speaker 2>that's on the internet very early on as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's how i'd say I got more advanced disperspective faster.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, at what age were you really starting to become

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<v Speaker 1>interested in learning about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was raised Christian, so since I was born,

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<v Speaker 2>so about age twenty or so, I started, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hopping into the stuff serious, debating guys like from different

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the world on an app called Paltov that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually software on a computer and start you know, debating

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible, debating the Muslims, debating the Jews and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were just doing this for like sometimes twelve

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight or so sevento and eight. So you

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<v Speaker 2>know the stages. And I say that I'm confident that

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<v Speaker 2>the fear that promotes the subjugating process of staying to

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus not going to other demons and spirits, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have that fear because I know the bullshit involved with

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible translations. I know that word for hell is

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<v Speaker 2>like five different breaking words, and they're fucking around. So

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<v Speaker 2>that had me more open to say, like looking into

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<v Speaker 2>the devil and noticing a lot of weird things. Since Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>in this Bible I was believing at the time, says

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<v Speaker 2>to be wise his serpents? Why not wise is God?

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<v Speaker 2>Whis his angels? Why is the prophet? Why is his serpents?

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<v Speaker 2>The serpent is a very prodatory term in the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>and emphasized for that reason. So this was a contradiction

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<v Speaker 2>in me. I'd say that Adam and Eve knowledge and

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<v Speaker 2>Genesis and God got mad at that fact, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he apparently lied and said they would die in

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<v Speaker 2>that day lam in the Hebrew, in the day they

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<v Speaker 2>eat of it, they would die. They didn't lie, serpent

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<v Speaker 2>told the truth. They would become like God's and meaning

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<v Speaker 2>in the narrative at least they did Genesis three twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>So that also was more examples of just how bad

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<v Speaker 2>is the serpent? The gnostic or Marciones eating of that,

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<v Speaker 2>I could say, is what had me open my mind

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<v Speaker 2>more to the serpent Satan think from the right perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, what is your argument towards us. Now we're bringing

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<v Speaker 3>up the Gnostics here. They didn't even come around util

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<v Speaker 3>the first or second century a d. And all they

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<v Speaker 3>did was basically plagiarize certain books of the Bible and

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<v Speaker 3>throat on their own deities and their own pantheons to it.

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<v Speaker 3>They took a little snippet here and a little snippet there,

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<v Speaker 3>but most, if actually all, of the Gnostic texts were

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<v Speaker 3>understood to be not canon and not based in any

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<v Speaker 3>kind of reality. Literally before like the first Christians got

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<v Speaker 3>together at their first meeting here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the first meeting with the canon was Council of

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<v Speaker 2>Carthage and the Council of Hippo, and the late three

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds before that, Marci started the whole can. The pre

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<v Speaker 2>eminent Gnostic, if you will, he was, if anything, influencing

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<v Speaker 2>the Antoniciene early Church fathers to do a canon, because

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<v Speaker 2>he had a different idea of a cannon, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was teaching the same things I was just saying, So

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<v Speaker 2>I disagree with scholars that couldn't keep in mind at

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<v Speaker 2>for a time the sources from Gnostic for a while

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<v Speaker 2>were simply based on the Catholic Church fathers. That's like

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<v Speaker 2>asking the joker about the Batman for a good source

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<v Speaker 2>of fucked the motherfucker God. I don't agree with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotta get this, but I mean, the Catholic Church didn't

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<v Speaker 3>start in the late three hundreds. They can argue that

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<v Speaker 3>because the first meeting happened, but the u the stan

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<v Speaker 3>Neil Binn said, all the shebang of the Catholic Church

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<v Speaker 3>didn't come around until way later.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what I'm saying is there is that they were

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<v Speaker 2>relying on the Catholic Church of sources, Gnosticism, the heresiologists

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<v Speaker 2>and people writing against them, and doctism in the practice time,

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<v Speaker 2>these are the sources. My point is when they discovered

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<v Speaker 2>the Nagamadi, that is when we actually have first hand

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<v Speaker 2>tapping into the gnostics own sources. And that's what matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying there was a meeting, there could be a meeting

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<v Speaker 2>of a bunch of pagan candle burning guys at the

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<v Speaker 2>Christian sea. I don't think the Christians will take those

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<v Speaker 2>meetings to series. It's not them, it's their enemies. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>cultures like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you, but I mean even the Nagamati texts

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<v Speaker 3>perfect example that was there discovering nineteen forty five by

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<v Speaker 3>Muhammad Ali in Egypt. And when they were discovered, no

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<v Speaker 3>one really it wasn't earth shattering information. Now granted, in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen forty five when they were discovered and brought forward, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>there was other shit going on on earth at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a whole Hitler situation. So like people weren't

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<v Speaker 3>worried about ancient texts, and I get that, but all

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<v Speaker 3>of the texts within the Nagamatis, that all of it

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<v Speaker 3>the Gospel of Jesus Wives, the whole nine. They already

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<v Speaker 3>knew these to be forgeries and fakes. And hell, half

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<v Speaker 3>of those didn't even exist until the fourteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>A d well, I would dispute a lot of us.

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, the ascension of Isaiah's quarterly first century, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's coded as dulis. I would say that the Gospel

422
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<v Speaker 2>of Thomas. Some juggle that this is not gnostic. I disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say that you have in the very first complete

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<v Speaker 2>New Testament Codex Codex ana Atticus, you have the Epistle

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<v Speaker 2>of Barnabas. People actually say that this is not gnostic.

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<v Speaker 2>The entire thing is worst being sacred notices. Basically anyone

427
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<v Speaker 2>read it for themselves. They removed that from their own

428
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<v Speaker 2>New Testament. So these inconsistencies showed that we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>like the Gospels really how they say it until the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth century after those canonizations. Coincidentally, we don't really have

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<v Speaker 2>that in the papyri. Those are just little fragments in

432
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<v Speaker 2>public he says, with no cannotated context. We could argue

433
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<v Speaker 2>that was Gnostic. I agree with Robert M. Price that

434
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<v Speaker 2>he put a lot of his Paul stuff being written

435
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<v Speaker 2>before that influenced by Gnostic teachings. Based on the fact

436
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<v Speaker 2>that A Paul says the Arkans crucified the Lord first

437
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<v Speaker 2>Garuthians two eight. I believe in the Greek and these

438
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<v Speaker 2>are the arcticons that are not flesh and blood and

439
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<v Speaker 2>effhesion sticks. We could argue arctent time, and so therefore

440
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<v Speaker 2>we know that that ship was just something going on there,

441
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<v Speaker 2>It was not an actual crucifixion. I could argue many

442
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<v Speaker 2>of the arguments in the Knakaimodi and the Gnostic texts

443
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<v Speaker 2>show that whoever's writing the Gospels, it's a better argument

444
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<v Speaker 2>to say they're influenced by the gnostics by it for

445
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<v Speaker 2>that reason because inclusions of people like Simon the Sirene

446
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<v Speaker 2>who carries his cross makes no sense. God pops out

447
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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere, just like it's his cue to hop in

448
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<v Speaker 2>a scene. Go ahead, Mel Gibson hops in and that

449
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<v Speaker 2>in uh is it the Great Spirit text or whatever?

450
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<v Speaker 2>The treaty is a great step. This is this is

451
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<v Speaker 2>like gnostic intentitism that Jesus is not actually Christmas by

452
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<v Speaker 2>someone else. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that as a matter of fact, they are

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<v Speaker 3>a very Gnostic based which is why they weren't added

455
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<v Speaker 3>in the Bible. They were in nowhere. This clearly why

456
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<v Speaker 3>they shouldn't. Gospel of Thomas perfect example. You look at

457
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<v Speaker 3>the way it's written. It is a conversation for one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fourteen lines and two extra sideddendums. None of

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<v Speaker 3>it goes into the pattern of how Jesus spoke, how

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<v Speaker 3>he teached, how he worked at any of that. And

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<v Speaker 3>the very early Christians knew about the Gospel of Thomas

462
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<v Speaker 3>and knew that it was heretical and threw it out.

463
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<v Speaker 3>The Gospel of Peter, for instance, the entire Gospel of

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<v Speaker 3>Peter makes it seem like Jesus wasn't even there. He

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<v Speaker 3>floated from place to place, which is why when he

466
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<v Speaker 3>was on the cross, he wasn't bugging, because like he

467
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<v Speaker 3>wasn't actually there. It was like a hologram. Clearly that

468
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<v Speaker 3>wasn't true. Jesus worked on people, He touched people, Thomas

469
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<v Speaker 3>put his fingers in the hands in the whole nine. So,

470
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<v Speaker 3>like there's clear reasons why these weren't added to the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's not even a point of contention. It's very clear.

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<v Speaker 3>If anybody would like to read these for yourselves, go

473
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<v Speaker 3>for it. I'm not saying people shouldn't read them, but yeah,

474
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<v Speaker 3>it's clear why these wouldn't be included.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a completely different level of understanding. If you can

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<v Speaker 1>read the Bible and you know, kind of get through it,

477
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<v Speaker 1>it's it's very different than than whenever you're reading the

478
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<v Speaker 1>nostig I actually got to say that I believe that

479
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<v Speaker 1>there is a more spiritual understanding to the Gnostic text

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<v Speaker 1>than there is throughout most of the verses in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro Like there is a certain present, there's a certain

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<v Speaker 1>resonance that whenever you read it, you're like, Okay, I

483
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<v Speaker 1>get this, it makes sense. But that's just my own

484
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<v Speaker 1>personal understanding. I'm not judging one way or another, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did have a question for you though. What is

486
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<v Speaker 1>very interesting to me is that the nagamadis Yes, they

487
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<v Speaker 1>were found in nineteen forty five, was it? Yeah, out

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<v Speaker 1>in Egypt? And yeah, dude, these these were originally written

489
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<v Speaker 1>between the second and fourth century.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, some of them are than thirteen and fourteen hundred,

491
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<v Speaker 3>but continued, most of them were older, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly translated. Yeah, mostly written between the second and fourth century.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, let's just say that they were Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just say hypothetically they were all written in between the

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<v Speaker 1>second and fourth century. Okay, don't you find it interesting

496
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<v Speaker 1>that this was an original let's call it a gnostic

497
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<v Speaker 1>plagiarism that somehow survived that many centuries. But the original Bible,

498
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<v Speaker 1>like quotes and books and works and all that stuff,

499
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<v Speaker 1>nobody can get their hands on that because it just

500
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<v Speaker 1>withered to time. Nobody could get there.

501
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<v Speaker 3>Like you know what I'm saying, It's not weird scholars

502
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<v Speaker 3>that are dealing with the ancient original versions of the Bible,

503
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<v Speaker 3>like Codex Sinetica. Billy Carson went on and on about

504
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<v Speaker 3>the Sinai Bible. It's Codex Sinetica, and yeah, people work

505
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<v Speaker 3>with that daily.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, bro, like the original book that

507
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<v Speaker 1>was written, I'm talking about the guy that wrote the book.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bible isn't a book. It is a compilation of

509
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<v Speaker 3>books and books. It's it's combinations of things, and it

510
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<v Speaker 3>was written over you know, hundreds, if not arguably over

511
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<v Speaker 3>a thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they date those biasedly though, like they're separating all

513
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<v Speaker 2>the Gnostic findings into different datas, and the Bible in

514
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<v Speaker 2>the fourth century they found on Codex. So I say

515
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<v Speaker 2>it's inconsistent. What I'd say is what I was reference.

516
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<v Speaker 2>There was the actual Snoptic Gospels, Gospel John, things like this,

517
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<v Speaker 2>not the Gospel Thomas necessarily earlier that those sources are

518
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<v Speaker 2>drawing off gnism. And of course any any people that

519
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<v Speaker 2>I've seen actually show a tremendous gnosticism based knowledge, like

520
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<v Speaker 2>doctor Robert M. Price, who was mocked by bart Erman

521
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<v Speaker 2>as Bardierman mocked the nunciations of Zoroastrian language in their

522
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<v Speaker 2>debate Whenever a Goo. My point being is that the

523
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<v Speaker 2>people take the subject serious agree with me, and there's

524
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<v Speaker 2>reason for that too. There's things like saying, hey, this

525
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<v Speaker 2>is obviously not with the teachings of Jesus. It's dosstism.

526
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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't natural crucifixion in the gospels. That shows otherwise

527
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<v Speaker 2>that Simunce slides in replaces Jesus. That first Christian Is

528
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<v Speaker 2>fifteen described the cruise of fiction as this spiritual based

529
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<v Speaker 2>concept for First Christians too accurate, and that is a

530
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<v Speaker 2>different type when they say, oh, those who deny Christ

531
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<v Speaker 2>in the flesh are the gnostics. Even Christians fifteen shows

532
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<v Speaker 2>christ flesh was not of this same nature that it was.

533
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<v Speaker 4>He was half to vine.

534
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<v Speaker 2>Yeahsta, that's nastic.

535
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<v Speaker 4>Is How was that gnostic? Though?

536
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<v Speaker 2>That First Christians emphatic and Robert Price would agree with

537
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<v Speaker 2>that as an emphatic example of gnosticism influencing Paul. I'd say,

538
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<v Speaker 2>and so that's why I'm going to go back to there,

539
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<v Speaker 2>and people who disagree have to get past barriers like that.

540
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<v Speaker 2>The other thing I think he was asking about, what

541
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<v Speaker 2>was I'm sorry, sir, the other Uh didn't he say

542
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<v Speaker 2>he was asking something? I thought there was one more

543
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<v Speaker 2>point one to address. I'm sorry, Oh, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, I was just kind of talking about like how

545
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<v Speaker 1>the Nagamadi was able to stand the test of time.

546
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<v Speaker 1>But somehow the original books of the Bible weren't able

547
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<v Speaker 1>to which I just find interesting.

548
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<v Speaker 2>They have all right, go on, because yeah, I was

549
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<v Speaker 2>just addressing what he was mentioned before. I believe like Nasis.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a very good, healthy dispute that a lot

551
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<v Speaker 2>of scholars have changed their minds on over more recent discoveries.

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<v Speaker 3>Like he said, now, talk to me about Paul. How

553
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<v Speaker 3>are you saying that he was gnostically inspired? You said

554
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<v Speaker 3>it a few times now. Paul was a rabbi, and

555
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<v Speaker 3>not just a lower level rabbi. He was seen before

556
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<v Speaker 3>he had his epiphany and all these things. This wrote

557
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<v Speaker 3>most of the New Testament and got thrown in jail

558
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<v Speaker 3>and all these things. For what he was saying before

559
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<v Speaker 3>that he was a very righteous dude per the Hebrew Law.

560
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<v Speaker 4>He was a rabbi.

561
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<v Speaker 3>He was actually the one burning Christians in their churches

562
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<v Speaker 3>at one point in time. Then did a whole phase change.

563
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<v Speaker 3>You're saying that what he did after that was very

564
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<v Speaker 3>gnostically inspired.

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<v Speaker 4>Break this down for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Elements with hex I'm not saying there's no Christian theology

567
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<v Speaker 2>in there. At the same time, the guys just seriously

568
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<v Speaker 2>saying that the Arkans, which are not a flesh and

569
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<v Speaker 2>being concept.

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<v Speaker 3>But he sticks I thought he was calling the Pharisees

571
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<v Speaker 3>the arcons like he was like calling them a bad word,

572
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<v Speaker 3>so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not based on this, the first Christ called the

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<v Speaker 2>rulers of this eon, I believe, which is a specific

575
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<v Speaker 2>application siding on the darker side of things John twelve

576
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<v Speaker 2>thirty one. For instance, the ruler of the world, Satan

577
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<v Speaker 2>got it as world. Some embark you, So I would

578
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<v Speaker 2>say at that point those are spiritual concepts crucifying Jesus.

579
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<v Speaker 2>It comes down in Ephesian six. If the arc and

580
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<v Speaker 2>tie the alleged authorities and archons, like the hyposthesis text

581
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<v Speaker 2>teaches us as anosena, if these are the ones crucifind Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>it can't be a flesh and blood crucifixion unless we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to say they're flesh and blood like Ephesian six

584
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<v Speaker 2>says they're not. And so that's Paul's usage consistently, and

585
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<v Speaker 2>anyone saying otherwise I just don't think is being fair

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<v Speaker 2>with that.

587
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<v Speaker 3>So it's not just him calling them evil dwellers. Same

588
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<v Speaker 3>as how Jesus told he literally said Peter would be

589
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<v Speaker 3>the guy that I built my church upon then the

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<v Speaker 3>next line said get behind me, Satan.

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<v Speaker 4>That that was something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Addiction that I would say, uh is going to put

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<v Speaker 2>the crucifixion to Peter if any in that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Satanic We see this with things like Samuel one text

595
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<v Speaker 2>and the grimare Barmadale. He's a nice arcane Alex Sigel

596
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<v Speaker 2>over here, Samel is the Satanic cabalistic character banging Lilith

597
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<v Speaker 2>the pride of Satan, which in my opinion, that just

598
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<v Speaker 2>demonstrates that.

599
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so we kind of got off here. How did

600
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<v Speaker 3>you get started all this? You said it was you

601
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<v Speaker 3>were You said you got involved with a theologian or

602
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<v Speaker 3>you worry theologian.

603
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<v Speaker 1>I could know it was a It was a software

604
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<v Speaker 1>program that he had that he had on his computer

605
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<v Speaker 1>and basically he was on there twelve hours a day

606
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<v Speaker 1>and they were basically debating, which I think is a

607
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<v Speaker 1>really good way of learning other religions and different types

608
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<v Speaker 1>of philosophies. And you know, and that's uh, that's interesting

609
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<v Speaker 1>that that was kind of like the gateway, if you will,

610
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<v Speaker 1>to what led you to, uh to devil worship?

611
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<v Speaker 3>Were you raised with some sort of a religious uh

612
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<v Speaker 3>flavoring in your household growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Christian, he said what brand.

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<v Speaker 2>Applic initially later Protestant. What I was going to say, Theologian.

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<v Speaker 2>All the theologians are two thousand and seven. And even

616
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<v Speaker 2>the most famous Christian YouTubers like Venom fang X and

617
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<v Speaker 2>the Amazing Atheist will go to Pound Talk to debate,

618
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<v Speaker 2>And so I was there debating Keith Thompson, another famous

619
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<v Speaker 2>old YouTuber, one of the smartest Christians Calvinists. I was

620
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<v Speaker 2>debating in three hours twenty ten and so yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>would go on there to doctor White, was there, Matt Slake.

622
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<v Speaker 2>A lot of guys are on that software and we

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<v Speaker 2>would debate all the time, and some guys that were

624
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<v Speaker 2>not known were just really fucking good and New Greek.

625
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<v Speaker 2>Some guy in Australia would just hop on bring up

626
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<v Speaker 2>shit I've never heard before as a twenty year old

627
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<v Speaker 2>at the time, and so I'd say that was kind

628
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<v Speaker 2>of the gateway of how I got started. But being

629
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<v Speaker 2>aware of that kind of environment is when I delt

630
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<v Speaker 2>into the occult side of things. Have me for the

631
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<v Speaker 2>occult I did at a much speedier level.

632
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<v Speaker 3>I guess, okay, okay, So when would you say you

633
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:48.119
<v Speaker 3>really did the whole phase change, like you completely left

634
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<v Speaker 3>behind any kind of Christian.

635
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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

636
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 3>How you worshiped back when you would consider yourself a Christian,

637
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 3>if you prayed daily or however you did. But at

638
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.960
<v Speaker 3>what point did you fully say all right, no longer

639
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 3>praying to that guy.

640
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and eight where I draw the line. I

641
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.839
<v Speaker 2>thought I was saved, and I talked to some guys

642
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.359
<v Speaker 2>who really knew to Bob good there now you're not saved,

643
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.839
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, you know, God's very wrathfuling God

644
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 2>does all this stuff. You better fear it. In the fact,

645
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 2>that was a false God. Your files just like that's

646
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.559
<v Speaker 2>what shattered to like start questioning to like false like prophets,

647
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.400
<v Speaker 2>false teachers, all this shit. To see that early on

648
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 2>I just backed office saw it was all like bullshit.

649
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 2>But in that strong Christian upbring, I think it was

650
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>like gradually just coming off me around that time. And

651
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>then that's no fear and study in the occult, because

652
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>keep in mind, Christians are afraid to look in the

653
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>occult me and don't want to go to Hell. I

654
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.960
<v Speaker 2>was a big believer of Hell at the time, no doubt.

655
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:50.720
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So worshiping and you don't pray to Satan, do.

656
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>You, Lord?

657
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 4>But I asked this out of ignorance.

658
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 3>I completely asked this out of ignorance, because again, the

659
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 3>only types of Satanists or Luciferians or whatever else are.

660
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:04.519
<v Speaker 4>The leavey type.

661
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 3>I've actually, to my knowledge, never spoken to a true

662
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Satan worshiper. So I don't even know what the mechanics

663
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.200
<v Speaker 3>look like of how you worship, how you would pray,

664
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 3>how you would ask for intervening, intervening into your life.

665
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea how that looks like.

666
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>On this side of the coin antative ceremonial evocationalism, some

667
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>authors like as Conley and the book, they'll get invocations,

668
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 2>evocations just trying to need someone writing on it on Amazon.

669
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 2>But I would say even the LaVeyans that Anton Lavay

670
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 2>had a book called the Satanic Rituals right after next

671
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 2>playing that one to me, atheistic ritualism that right, And

672
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I would say that's why Aquenna left the Church of

673
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Satan informed the Temple of set which I'm not saying

674
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.240
<v Speaker 2>I agree with him necessarily on everything, but I'd say

675
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>at least he's going to a more pagan description to Satan.

676
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 2>There It shows exactly what I would argue that we

677
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 2>don't worship the Christianity state for that kind of reason.

678
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 3>So you're worshiping more or less the all encompassing across

679
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 3>all platforms, all paganistic, all whatever versions of it. They've

680
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 3>got a dark lord that they talk about. That's the

681
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 3>guy you're talking to.

682
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Also polytheistic demonologists a cultd But you know in that

683
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.199
<v Speaker 2>in the midst there's a lot of devil worship, and

684
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 2>that's the initial form of Satanism was devil worship. And

685
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.639
<v Speaker 2>there's a great devils and evil spirits and Babylonia I

686
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>think from like nineteen oh three or so, and ken

687
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 2>Waite for antonmib was putting out Stantic Bible and sources

688
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.320
<v Speaker 2>like that. You know, use the term devils. In fact,

689
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the pseudo to monarchy uses they spelt the div e

690
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>l and that's archaic English that's going to come side back.

691
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.639
<v Speaker 2>The Sanskrit diva says, you know, the the light bearing

692
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of one that we see with lucifer, phosphorus, hesters,

693
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

694
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So fascinating, dude, Like just learning all of the

695
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>almost like the etymology of all these words is like

696
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy because we know that that the Bible and

697
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Christianity has been kind of a grouping,

698
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>a bringing together of sorts of all different cultures and

699
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 1>and and beliefs and paganistic beliefs and stuff like that. Right.

700
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>It's the reason why we we uh celebrate Christmas. That's

701
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the reason why we celebrate Easter. It's like, you know,

702
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>they had to bring in all of these other cultures

703
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 1>for one, in order to squash those cultures, and for two,

704
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>in order to kind of bring everybody together almost like

705
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.159
<v Speaker 1>a like a like a cattle corral.

706
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and no, dude, but I mean, okay, for instance,

707
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 3>Easter being celebrated as the you know, good Friday and

708
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:43.039
<v Speaker 3>the Resurrection all that, that's not based in paganism. That's

709
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.400
<v Speaker 3>because Jesus was taken after Passover, which is around that

710
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 3>time of year, December twenty fifth being used as to

711
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 3>celebrate his birthday. Yeah, we understand that we don't actually

712
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 3>have his birth date. We have a lot of beliefs

713
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 3>on that. But if you look at like how Christmas

714
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.559
<v Speaker 3>to celebrate the Christmas Tree, everybody swears up and down

715
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.000
<v Speaker 3>that that's paidagan but it's actually based in Christianity that

716
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.880
<v Speaker 3>the Pagans took from the Christians, and then the Christians

717
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.119
<v Speaker 3>retook it from the Pagans.

718
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>The Pagans took the Christian the Christians tree from the Christian.

719
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Show around I say it was three hundred to four

720
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:18.400
<v Speaker 3>hundred to five hundred a d.

721
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 4>There was a a not a.

722
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Ritual, but there'd be a celebration that would happen. It

723
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.239
<v Speaker 3>was kind of a They would have a pole in

724
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 3>their home and they would decorate it with little trinkets,

725
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 3>little ornaments and whatever. Right, this was done as a

726
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.519
<v Speaker 3>way to celebrate Jesus. The Pagans had a version of

727
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 3>that of their own, and they took it. And that's

728
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 3>when the evergreen trees came into the mix, and all

729
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.119
<v Speaker 3>these things that wasn't a Christian thing, but celebrating with

730
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 3>some sort of a gift giving and all these things

731
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 3>around that time was Christian based. The Pagans did something

732
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 3>with that, and then later on the Catholic Church appropriated

733
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.159
<v Speaker 3>their version of it from them. So yeah, I mean,

734
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 3>it's it's not like Christianity is a amalgamation of paganistic beliefs.

735
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 3>If anything, it's one of the only on the theistic

736
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.599
<v Speaker 3>religions that there's ever been ever on earth.

737
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>So you know, man, what I'd say is that, well,

738
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I would say, you know, Mythrism the whole December twenty fifteen,

739
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that's Rsia.

740
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Myth, no doubt Mythrism was if you're not mistaking the

741
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 3>Silk Road religion, which is fascinating to look at. Not

742
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 3>gonna lie, but I mean the Persians are more into Zoraster.

743
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.639
<v Speaker 3>They had their Mythra people, but they were more into

744
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 3>Heramazda and and that's.

745
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Why these guys like Richard was it Richard Carrier are

746
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>pointing out like in these presentations with the fucking projector

747
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 2>out like that. That was that kind of dualism, that

748
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.800
<v Speaker 2>polarity at the time. And then out of nowhere in Isaiah.

749
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, you got all these gods like God's just

750
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 2>getting like oc about it. Numb besides me. I'm the

751
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 2>only one by the way that I mentioned there's numb

752
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 2>besides me. Where these come from? You know, yeah, we

753
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>know that God Israel types of you know, the God

754
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>is one here. He's just popping out of nowhere as

755
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 2>if there's some competitor or something like that. So I'd

756
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.599
<v Speaker 2>say they're tons of and staff the Pagans say. At

757
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, like you said, certain things

758
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>could be added to Christmas, clearly Christian things. I could

759
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 2>sader Christian holiday utilizing a lot of pagan esthetic for

760
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.320
<v Speaker 2>some of those reasons of like we were saying, the

761
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 2>tree Jeremiah tendsay is not to do ship like that

762
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 2>OVA's witnesses did. We were like strict Christians back in

763
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 2>the day. So yeah, it's an interesting topic.

764
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 3>It is, especially when you look at what the early

765
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Christians I'm talking about, the ones that actually were being

766
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:27.599
<v Speaker 3>persecuted in ethicis and shit, what.

767
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 4>Their practices and rituals looked like.

768
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Catholic Church isn't a fan of that because

769
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.880
<v Speaker 3>it has nothing to do with the mechanics of the

770
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 3>mass at all.

771
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.599
<v Speaker 4>That was all added on way later.

772
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 3>The early Christians were, you know, just worshiping the dude

773
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 3>who just died and shit, and it was they were

774
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.679
<v Speaker 3>dealing with first and if not second, if not third

775
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.280
<v Speaker 3>hand accounts of what happened. They weren't going off of

776
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.639
<v Speaker 3>a written word. Some of them later were going off

777
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 3>for written words, but a lot of them were going

778
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 3>off of you know, the grandfather of this Church who

779
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 3>literally walked with Jesus in his grouping. Shit, what polycarp Well,

780
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, sure we could go that route, but I

781
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:06.159
<v Speaker 3>mean we can even look at Antioch, We could even

782
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 3>look at uh John, John the Young, that John the

783
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Beloved excuse me, because he was the only one that

784
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:15.840
<v Speaker 3>died of old age, and of course because he was

785
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.480
<v Speaker 3>writing the narrative, he always mentioned how Jesus loved him

786
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 3>the most.

787
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:20.159
<v Speaker 4>That's why we know him as John Beloved.

788
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 3>I get it, all right, there's there's things with this,

789
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:26.239
<v Speaker 3>but like, that's not to say that the the like

790
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I said, the adoption of a lot of these pagan

791
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.000
<v Speaker 3>beliefs and these types of envelopments of it. I believe

792
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 3>that's also why the Catholic Church believed in starting to

793
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.599
<v Speaker 3>praying to saints and things like that, because they wanted

794
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.960
<v Speaker 3>to appeal to a wider audience of like, oh, you

795
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:41.719
<v Speaker 3>got a pagan god that does this, and this, dude,

796
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 3>we got a saint that has a very similar story.

797
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.280
<v Speaker 4>It's wild, but and I don't agree with that by

798
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:47.840
<v Speaker 4>any means.

799
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.280
<v Speaker 3>But I also don't believe that is indicative of the

800
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.280
<v Speaker 3>entire Christian faith. I believe that's one denomination. You know,

801
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Sunnis and Sheites are still fighting over one misunderstanding of

802
00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:58.199
<v Speaker 3>the same fucking.

803
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Kuran's Martin Luther came out I think in the fifteen Hunters, right.

804
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was just like it was. It was

805
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a rat. Now there was a different kind. But the

806
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Catholics were kind of the Christians throughout history, and then

807
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 2>you had some Orthodox but I would say that they

808
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.440
<v Speaker 2>were those early church fathers teaching the Eucharist, and anyone

809
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.119
<v Speaker 2>who studied the Antonicene Church Fathers knows they do that.

810
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Now some Protestants get upset with that because they want

811
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.800
<v Speaker 2>those church fathers, so they'll say, no, that was them

812
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.440
<v Speaker 2>right into the Gnostics ear this and that, and Catholic

813
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>theologians go, no, it wasn't. Here's why and things. And

814
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:28.960
<v Speaker 2>that was always interesting to see too. As the Satan

815
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 2>is looking back, I see a lot of Catholic Christian

816
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>history taken from pagan shit, and I see Protestants coming

817
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 2>out at the Catholics. At the end of the day.

818
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.320
<v Speaker 2>The Bible, I would say, it's a very contradictory, problematic

819
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.400
<v Speaker 2>source at the end of the day, and that's kind

820
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.039
<v Speaker 2>of the basis of the Abrahamic.

821
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Is it the Bible that is contradictory or is it

822
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 3>the humans that are working with it that are contradicting themselves?

823
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Because Martin Luther is a perfect example of that. Of

824
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.519
<v Speaker 3>his ninety nine ethos that he nailed on the door,

825
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 3>fifty four of them, the Catholic Church changed the rules

826
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.159
<v Speaker 3>for they agreed with what he was saying, and they

827
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.440
<v Speaker 3>actually made changes like over half of what he said.

828
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 3>It was the other shit that he wouldn't let go

829
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 3>that they said, all right, fine, dude, fuck you.

830
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 4>And let's keep in mind Martin Luther wasn't exactly.

831
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:16.199
<v Speaker 3>A great guy. He wrote a very very controversial book

832
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Speaker 3>on the Truth on the Jews, which good luck finding that.

833
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.960
<v Speaker 3>It's actually kind of a hard book to find. You

834
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.760
<v Speaker 3>can buy it, you can get it. It's difficult. But

835
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.239
<v Speaker 3>even Martin Luther, the guy really really was an anti

836
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 3>Semite as well. A lot of people don't know this,

837
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 3>but it's like, you got to draw your sources from

838
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.639
<v Speaker 3>where you can. And a lot of what he had

839
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.199
<v Speaker 3>nailed on the door was about buying your way into heaven,

840
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 3>which the Catholic Church was like, yeah, all right, you

841
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:43.480
<v Speaker 3>got a point on that.

842
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 4>That's kind of fucked.

843
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I think like guys like John Calvin were coming out

844
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and when his Bible's getting translated, you know, William Tindale,

845
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>all that jazz. You know, you start getting these reformers

846
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.320
<v Speaker 2>in there going, whoa God, We're just hands like clay

847
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 2>and he's just predestined in us, and shit, roma's not

848
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>early guys. I think like, uh, fucking what's his name was?

849
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Was kind of Augustine was when some of the convinist

850
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of shit you could earn. But like E reading that,

851
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was just his interpretation personally, you know,

852
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.199
<v Speaker 2>if anyone reads a lot of that shit, that plainly

853
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>says And so for me, that's what I mean, is

854
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>like the character that God is very opposing in certain

855
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 2>spots that if you could justify reconcile contradictions. I used

856
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to be pro with that with atheism, like two thousand

857
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and seven, but some of them being honest with just

858
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the opposite of each other, and it's very conflicting and

859
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 2>the answers are very desperate, And so that's what I mean.

860
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Like you said earlier moment, you said that the Bible

861
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 2>is not a book, it's a compilation of sources exactly.

862
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.039
<v Speaker 2>So it's no surprise for the contradictions, and I think

863
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 2>it's mythology we could learn from where they took a

864
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:47.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of that stuff.

865
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Well in contradicting as far as the Old Testament the

866
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 3>New Testament, yeah, they're supposed to. They're not supposed to

867
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:57.119
<v Speaker 3>necessarily jive together. They're supposed to lead one into the other.

868
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of things that Jesus spoke about that

869
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.119
<v Speaker 3>the Hebrews disagreed with, even though they couldn't disagree with

870
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:03.599
<v Speaker 3>it per.

871
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.119
<v Speaker 4>Their own law.

872
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 3>There was ways of why he spoke the way he did,

873
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 3>why he preached the way he did, But yeah, he

874
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 3>was there to the New Testament was the new way

875
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 3>that we're supposed to live. And yet there's even Jews,

876
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 3>I forget what it's called the uh not Kavanaugh, what's

877
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 3>their book that's actually like their Bible, And they have

878
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 3>less books than us because they don't have like first

879
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.880
<v Speaker 3>and second Kings or first and second chronicles. They just

880
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 3>have kings and chronicles and Samulans. I'm trying to remember

881
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 3>the name of it.

882
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Shit. Well, the Jewzis tore the Penitude source.

883
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's the first five books of the Bible. But

884
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 3>they still have the rest of the Old Testament in

885
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 3>their texts. They just don't see it as necessarily canon,

886
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.519
<v Speaker 3>the same way that the Book of Enoch is referenced

887
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.079
<v Speaker 3>later on in the Book of Jude in the New Testament,

888
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:46.519
<v Speaker 3>but it's not in the Bible, reason being it was

889
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.239
<v Speaker 3>a very well known and understood text that pretty much

890
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.599
<v Speaker 3>everybody of the day and age would have known. So

891
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.760
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't like you necessarily needed to reference it in

892
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 3>the like to have it in the Bible for people

893
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:57.719
<v Speaker 3>to understand it the way he saw it.

894
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 4>Everybody knew what.

895
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.039
<v Speaker 2>It was tradictions, not just hey, God's given a new

896
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>covenant and it's going to be the opposite of the

897
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 2>last one or whatever. We're kind of showing them a

898
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.679
<v Speaker 2>subjectivity in morality. In my opinion, I would say that

899
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:10.679
<v Speaker 2>what this shows is like, for instance, I think Isaiah

900
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:13.679
<v Speaker 2>sixty five gets this display just like Revelation, one of

901
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>those glints back in times that God's can crate a

902
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 2>new avenue earth and after that there is death for

903
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>one hundred years. In Revelation, after the first heaven first earth,

904
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>there's no more death, and he wipes the tears, and

905
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 2>this is a big problem that I know not because

906
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>we're just picking up because as a Christian, we would

907
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.639
<v Speaker 2>sit down and try to figure ones like that out.

908
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.079
<v Speaker 2>We would see, does God lie in the Bible when

909
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Titus says he can't, I'd say he does by any honest,

910
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:42.519
<v Speaker 2>non liar reading it. That's how I see it, though.

911
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 3>But you're also referencing books that are meant to be interpretive.

912
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.239
<v Speaker 3>The Book of Isaiah and the Book of Revelations. These

913
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.079
<v Speaker 3>are meant to be interpreted and dug deeper, and they're

914
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.519
<v Speaker 3>not supposed to be so clear cut.

915
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Brought our best to get the best interpretations, but at

916
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, I'd say, the way it's

917
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.440
<v Speaker 2>worded just kind of traps things, let's say, And that's

918
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.920
<v Speaker 2>a couple examples I was given with godline as well

919
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 2>as about getting me. But these things, to me are

920
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.039
<v Speaker 2>not like a problem for like truth seekers. I think

921
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:11.960
<v Speaker 2>it's just some people are raised or spend a lot

922
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:15.280
<v Speaker 2>of time Christian or for whatever reason their bias and

923
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 2>just need to somehow make all that hit. And I say,

924
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.400
<v Speaker 2>if you just let it go, it just it doesn't.

925
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:22.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's just an honest view a mount it.

926
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 3>So all right, I know you have to roll here

927
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 3>in a bit, and I appreciate the time that you've

928
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.440
<v Speaker 3>given us today for sure. So all right, And then

929
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.280
<v Speaker 3>again this is I'm asking this completely out of ignorance

930
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 3>to a person who is, let's say, no religious bias whatsoever,

931
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 3>very agnostic towards things. Why would they want to get

932
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.280
<v Speaker 3>involved in Satanism or at least your brand of it,

933
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 3>Like what's the end goal? There's a lot of speculation

934
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 3>to say that, like, oh, well, Satanists are doing what

935
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.000
<v Speaker 3>they're doing so that they can achieve.

936
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:58.800
<v Speaker 4>Power and wealth on earth, or they're.

937
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Doing it so that they can have a set of

938
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:03.320
<v Speaker 3>hierarchy when they get to Hell, because they know the

939
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.960
<v Speaker 3>book and they know where they're going at the end.

940
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:06.760
<v Speaker 3>They just want to be in the like the smoking

941
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 3>section of Hell, not the non smoke It's it's something

942
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm joking on that one, but you see what I'm saying.

943
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.079
<v Speaker 4>What would be like the end goal on this one?

944
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.519
<v Speaker 2>I want luxury in the back could burn me a

945
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>little out, that's it though. No, No, A few with

946
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Satanisms that never study it usually and everyone in my

947
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 2>live stream every day knows that. But the point is is, like,

948
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:29.199
<v Speaker 2>why should they do it, I'd say for the knowledge

949
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.679
<v Speaker 2>aspect of it, they're going to get much better results.

950
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Being a pantheis and the earliest pantheas worship devil statues

951
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>as far as the evidence goes from my studies, and

952
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 2>so many people are coming side for that reason. Seeing yep,

953
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to have faith. It's not based on faith.

954
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Like the Gnostics, we utilize sacred knowledge. Keep in mind

955
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.559
<v Speaker 2>the heresiologists called them evil for that. Keep in mind

956
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the serpent got at them and need knowledge. It's going

957
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to help people advance them. And I think the more

958
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:58.559
<v Speaker 2>we step back and are skeptical, those agnostics and atheists

959
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that are sitting there like I'm examining, I'm examining that,

960
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 2>but I'm just going to trust whatever this thing said

961
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:07.679
<v Speaker 2>without sourcing sciences work for it. Satanists are there to go.

962
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 2>You should have questioned this too and found this source. Actually,

963
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.039
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like the speed of it, I would say,

964
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.239
<v Speaker 2>because we live as our own gods and that's an

965
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 2>application many call sin and stay away from that mentality,

966
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:20.559
<v Speaker 2>you're going to get difficult of that mind.

967
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.239
<v Speaker 3>So it's basically for the knowledge that you can gain

968
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.960
<v Speaker 3>from it and therefore you can apply to your life

969
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 3>and just live a better life as a result of it.

970
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Statanisms for people that care about this life yet, and

971
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I would say, the end goal is the now goal,

972
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.760
<v Speaker 2>and in the now, live in the now, live with

973
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 2>a wise mind. The future is the future. It's in

974
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 2>their mind as far as we can tell, we're in

975
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>the press. And the more people just worry about the

976
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 2>end day Buyer pit Pool party of the Lake of Fire,

977
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 2>have anxiety and fear and get vulnerable and start getting

978
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 2>down to just believe the stuff and a mere fact

979
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:01.039
<v Speaker 2>that just escape a fire sentence, not because it's true.

980
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of people really take that whole Lake

981
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:05.400
<v Speaker 3>of Fire thing to think that hell is a giant

982
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 3>oven like nah, that that is mentioned only a couple

983
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 3>of times, and it's you look at the context, that's

984
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:13.199
<v Speaker 3>not what it is. But that hole has brought up

985
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.599
<v Speaker 3>a couple of times, and that's also a whole other

986
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 3>other thing.

987
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.679
<v Speaker 1>But just to ask you something first, uh there, Robert,

988
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.079
<v Speaker 1>just out of curiosity, I know that a lot of

989
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>people will attach uh satanic ritual abuse to your brand

990
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.320
<v Speaker 1>of Satanism or really Edd.

991
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 3>On the show talk about performing abortions in the name

992
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 3>of satan to get things one hundred percent brow.

993
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.440
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts on that whenever that's going on,

994
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Is that's really going on, or there's some people that

995
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe you don't claim as far as all

996
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:51.480
<v Speaker 1>that shit kind of goes, or is it is it misconstrued?

997
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.920
<v Speaker 2>If the human sacrifice comes from the Bible Actually Genesis

998
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, godm a had this idea to take your

999
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:03.199
<v Speaker 2>son at sacrifice them, and evidently, being ignorant the obvious

1000
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>morality of being the person, actually goes to go along

1001
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.519
<v Speaker 2>with this. I think perhaps knowing it's a bad idea,

1002
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.800
<v Speaker 2>things like that, I would say from the Bible, JPS

1003
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 2>sacrifice his daughter to God. It was done. This culture

1004
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 2>is doing animal sacrifice. I would say it's cruelty to

1005
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.000
<v Speaker 2>do things like that to animals to appease from God.

1006
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.880
<v Speaker 2>In your head's read, we don't do that. Satanism. People

1007
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.719
<v Speaker 2>doing those things, those are not Satanist sources, None of

1008
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 2>us sort of this seeks to do those things. Those

1009
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.199
<v Speaker 2>people saying that are from the Satanic temple. A Catholic

1010
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 2>guy the other day, as we went to the page

1011
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.400
<v Speaker 2>it said what it said, this is the Satanic Temple doing.

1012
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I think the Abordin that's them. We're not the Satanic Temple.

1013
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:43.119
<v Speaker 2>And really I don't know what the hell they're doing

1014
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:43.840
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes.

1015
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm with you to a degree here, but

1016
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Abraham didn't do that just out of nowhere. Every tribe

1017
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.400
<v Speaker 3>around where he lived, we're sacrificing their firstborn sons to

1018
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.800
<v Speaker 3>ball and that was a whole thing. There was a

1019
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.159
<v Speaker 3>whole ovens that they would throw their children into. That's

1020
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 3>not indicative of just that region of the world. For instance,

1021
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:06.440
<v Speaker 3>the Astechs also sacrifice their children to their rain God.

1022
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.920
<v Speaker 3>It was a very painful thing. The more the baby scream,

1023
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.079
<v Speaker 3>the more rain would come. That's been done for many

1024
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 3>cultures around the world. That's never heard of the Bible.

1025
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.559
<v Speaker 2>The source is that what people do is they'll take

1026
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.519
<v Speaker 2>like Kronos for instance, they look, he's eating the planet.

1027
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.920
<v Speaker 2>The planet's eating something. Raho eats the sun. It's called

1028
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.039
<v Speaker 2>an eclipse. People reading those texts, like Christian texts, are

1029
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:29.239
<v Speaker 2>not sourcing improperly. The Christians say this is historical. They

1030
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.639
<v Speaker 2>say God told Abraham go into the mountain and do this,

1031
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and so that idea to do something like that. As

1032
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 2>far as we can source it this from the Christians

1033
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 2>or at least the Hebrew and then the Christians have

1034
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Jesus have a douicinal sacrifice that he laid his own

1035
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:45.679
<v Speaker 2>life down on. And so in my opinion that as

1036
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:47.840
<v Speaker 2>long as they keep it in the Bible, that's them.

1037
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Satanists have no sources teaching you stuff like that, and

1038
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.760
<v Speaker 2>at a people like I was just going to say

1039
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.239
<v Speaker 2>one more point is that that's like me saying, David

1040
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Koresh the Heaven's Gate cult, the People's Temple. Look what

1041
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:03.079
<v Speaker 2>the Christians did. We are so fair in the debate.

1042
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to source that as Christians, and to

1043
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.400
<v Speaker 2>try to be fair, go to the Bible debate. I

1044
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 2>think people doing that trying to pin on us is

1045
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>from like the Satanic panic bullshit. They were banned at

1046
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.880
<v Speaker 2>horror movies in the eighties as well.

1047
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 4>Fair enough, fair enough, the Satanic panic was a big

1048
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:17.360
<v Speaker 4>thing with you.

1049
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:19.880
<v Speaker 3>So okay, yeah, you're saying that it's about living in

1050
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.960
<v Speaker 3>the now, and I could understand that on a humanistic

1051
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:25.039
<v Speaker 3>or not humanistic, on a human aspect.

1052
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 4>As a dude living and talking to you right now,

1053
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.199
<v Speaker 4>I get where you're coming from. You do believe that

1054
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 4>you have a soul.

1055
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Correct, Well, soul is the Hebrew word in the fashion

1056
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:35.119
<v Speaker 2>has to do with living consciousness. I think consciousness of

1057
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Buddhism and cyclic consistence incarnation makes more sense personally.

1058
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you don't believe that after we die we

1059
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.559
<v Speaker 3>go somewhere else. You think we just kind of rinse

1060
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:45.039
<v Speaker 3>and repeat.

1061
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, the resurrection thing, now that means like to walk

1062
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.519
<v Speaker 2>in dead. I like the idea for movie aspect of it.

1063
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe.

1064
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not resurrection, just you personally take away all the

1065
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 3>other what people believe. When you die, you believe that

1066
00:51:58.800 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 3>you get reincarnated.

1067
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying this, This Abrahamic idea of heaven has to

1068
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>do it a resurrection, and for things like this, we're

1069
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:06.880
<v Speaker 2>going to make stuff up and believe in it. What

1070
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:11.159
<v Speaker 2>are we really doing in heaven for getting bored? If not,

1071
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I guess we got a non boredom. Shot what I

1072
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.920
<v Speaker 2>would say psyclic existence. Things like deja vous are very intrigued.

1073
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I think death is very mysterious. I think studying necromancy

1074
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 2>and spiraitistic seances is appropriate. Ecdoplasms, medium ship, things like

1075
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.039
<v Speaker 2>this is fine. I think the fact Christians call stuff

1076
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 2>like this evil is atrocious, And although I agree with

1077
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the Bible, thou out murder those statements, right, I would

1078
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.280
<v Speaker 2>say that at the same damn time, we don't need

1079
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Caveman to tell us that we don't need the rest

1080
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.119
<v Speaker 2>of the Bible. That's a very atrocious things.

1081
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.159
<v Speaker 3>So you say that the necromancy, perfect example, you're talking

1082
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 3>about communing with the dead.

1083
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 4>You're talking about not to varying degrees.

1084
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's a weigi board, maybe it's a full on

1085
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 3>SaaS to talk to you, mama, to whatever level.

1086
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:55.639
<v Speaker 4>Fine, I also.

1087
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Agree with you, by the way, that that is real,

1088
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.679
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent acknowledge that is real shit. But how

1089
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.039
<v Speaker 3>does that tie into reincarnation? Because if you die and

1090
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:06.599
<v Speaker 3>go right back into or do you go to like

1091
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 3>a waiting room for a little while and then come

1092
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.199
<v Speaker 3>back down, and like in that waiting room is when

1093
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:12.000
<v Speaker 3>people can holler at you, like, how does this go?

1094
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, there's an elevator. I swear I don't just

1095
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 2>make shit up on that. I'm just saying that that

1096
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:19.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the stuff in the Borrow total that

1097
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.039
<v Speaker 2>book did makes more sense and the resurrection stuff to me,

1098
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:24.719
<v Speaker 2>So I leave more in that direction, necromancy is practicing

1099
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 2>those cultures. That's tapping into nature's animism. I would argue,

1100
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Elfis Levi writes great on that stuff, very skeptical, very

1101
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.280
<v Speaker 2>esoterically scientific. Just read what I was going to say

1102
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>is I don't just make up beliefs, like if I

1103
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.360
<v Speaker 2>do this, I'll come back as one of those lines,

1104
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.639
<v Speaker 2>go around and get those zebras Nature's cyclic consciousness. I

1105
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:45.679
<v Speaker 2>don't see how it's just going to diminish, Okay.

1106
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:48.760
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not saying you make up something. I mean,

1107
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.280
<v Speaker 3>but you have dug into so many books, You've dung

1108
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 3>into so many beliefs, and you have formed at least

1109
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:57.719
<v Speaker 3>a belief structure for yourself personally. So you're saying that

1110
00:53:57.800 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 3>a reincarnation just makes more sense based off of the

1111
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.280
<v Speaker 3>the information that you have found across all all regions,

1112
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:04.760
<v Speaker 3>all cultures, all religions.

1113
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:06.840
<v Speaker 2>That's what I like to belief on it, because the

1114
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.760
<v Speaker 2>term belief in religious stuff usually needs assumption like I

1115
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 2>proof of God, believe in uh not like that. It

1116
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>seems more like an ideology, like an application experience this

1117
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:19.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of way. I'd say that its yeah, it seems

1118
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.840
<v Speaker 2>to fit with the alchemical cycle of nature. Seasons are cycling,

1119
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 2>the sun and moon cycling. Why all these things like

1120
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm a new regrets and a guy, you know, getting

1121
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.840
<v Speaker 2>a job at the lawn. It's all gonna work out

1122
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.599
<v Speaker 2>for every sense to me, and and dharma and things

1123
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:35.719
<v Speaker 2>like that. And that's just an honest view mine.

1124
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.719
<v Speaker 4>So it's not a this is a belief that you have,

1125
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:41.800
<v Speaker 4>but do you have faith in this?

1126
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Really?

1127
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.800
<v Speaker 4>Where are you at with the belief versus faith debate?

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00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say I believe I'm coming back as a

1129
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.480
<v Speaker 2>or B. No, I don't think science necessarily even works

1130
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.599
<v Speaker 2>that way. We have tr to be consistent, have an

1131
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.519
<v Speaker 2>hypothesis and a conclusion. That's it. Other than now, it's

1132
00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 2>a mystery and so.

1133
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 4>Near that the experiences. For instance, when somebody and depending on.

1134
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 3>The culture, there's people that born and raised in India,

1135
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.800
<v Speaker 3>they have a near death experience, they see Vishnub, they're

1136
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 3>raised in Germany they have a near death experience, and

1137
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:14.360
<v Speaker 3>they meet Jesus and everything in between. Oh, what do

1138
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.039
<v Speaker 3>you personally attribute these two? Because I mean, on this

1139
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 3>and there's really no wrong answers. I'm just curious.

1140
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:21.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm just really not sure, and I think that just

1141
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>gloss on them over here, say, wouldn't be the best

1142
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:25.039
<v Speaker 2>way to go about it. We know that the Amity

1143
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Bill horror sounded like there was some truth to the

1144
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.199
<v Speaker 2>actual stories until skeptics came in and started saying, oh, yeah,

1145
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 2>what happened with dead child's he and well the windows

1146
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:34.880
<v Speaker 2>fail and then he went to the hospital. Where could

1147
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.280
<v Speaker 2>we check the records? You know what? We put bandiates

1148
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.880
<v Speaker 2>on them? Actually, how do I know it's not? People

1149
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:43.280
<v Speaker 2>like that saying fact? I think for these testimonies the

1150
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 2>fact they're contradicting may show, just like when Christians say, hey,

1151
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.679
<v Speaker 2>there's a bunch of red water like revelation. People apparently

1152
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 2>looked into some of those locations, though it had to

1153
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.639
<v Speaker 2>do with algae in certain cases and iron inclusion of

1154
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:58.400
<v Speaker 2>waters and others. I'd say that people that I you

1155
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.639
<v Speaker 2>could see what they say about it high consciousness into it.

1156
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps similar to a coma. There's a lot of people

1157
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:07.360
<v Speaker 2>that appear to be dead come back and claim have experience.

1158
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 3>Who knows, no doubt we I actually know a couple

1159
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.199
<v Speaker 3>of coma Uh I would say victims, but people that

1160
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:15.079
<v Speaker 3>were in a coma and when they came out there

1161
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.159
<v Speaker 3>pineal Gland had been decalcified, and they were clearly seeing

1162
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 3>angels and demons around them, and they only a couple

1163
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Speaker 3>of days later recalcified because adults do that and they

1164
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.920
<v Speaker 3>couldn't see it anymore. But absolutely, coming out of a

1165
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 3>coma is something that people have a lot of experiences with,

1166
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:30.639
<v Speaker 3>for sure, and.

1167
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Stuff like that just give examples of the mind states

1168
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.440
<v Speaker 2>that who knows what other mind states and not have

1169
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.000
<v Speaker 2>tapped into for a while. People may not have been

1170
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 2>aware of how, you know, cognition works. So we're just

1171
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.239
<v Speaker 2>being ship and so in the Bible. And then when

1172
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.840
<v Speaker 2>they saw desert with an angel a I saw, wasn't it.

1173
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:49.360
<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, yeah, I think

1174
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.239
<v Speaker 2>it's great study these things, question them and if we're

1175
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 2>just going to just make up hell and be afraid,

1176
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of people didn't know if they're going

1177
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 2>to get the best results in that study.

1178
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:00.880
<v Speaker 3>If you're living in fear, then you're living the right way,

1179
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 3>that's for sure. And I say that to a lot

1180
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:04.920
<v Speaker 3>of Christians too, like, yo, if you're living this way

1181
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.199
<v Speaker 3>and you're doing this because you're afraid of the alternative,

1182
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.639
<v Speaker 3>then you're you miss the fucking point by a long shot.

1183
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel the same way because people will ask you,

1184
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:19.360
<v Speaker 1>are you a god fearing man? It's like, I mean,

1185
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.760
<v Speaker 1>should that be how you are viewing God as fearful?

1186
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:25.159
<v Speaker 1>First off? Like that's the first thing that you think

1187
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:26.760
<v Speaker 1>of whenever you're thinking about God?

1188
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Is that?

1189
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:28.280
<v Speaker 4>Dad?

1190
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:29.000
<v Speaker 2>He don't hit me?

1191
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Like it shouldn't be like that. It should be like

1192
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.199
<v Speaker 1>he's a loving god, He's a caring god. He created

1193
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.159
<v Speaker 1>this world, he created this universe. But for some reason,

1194
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.679
<v Speaker 1>he wants us to know that, Like he's a fearful guy. Right,

1195
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>It's weird.

1196
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:43.079
<v Speaker 4>It's fear and respect.

1197
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean again, even the ancient Greeks feared and respected

1198
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:49.159
<v Speaker 3>all of their gods, like you should like at least acknowledged.

1199
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:51.800
<v Speaker 3>It's the same as like, Okay, a dude that is

1200
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 3>three times your size. You don't need to be afraid

1201
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 3>of him, but you need to acknowledge that he could

1202
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:58.639
<v Speaker 3>fuck your world up if he so chose.

1203
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.519
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I welcome living in welcome that what it is.

1204
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.199
<v Speaker 1>No, I love the challenge. That's how I look at it.

1205
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Though that's just from a football standpoint. I'm not saying

1206
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.679
<v Speaker 1>in a fight, I'm just saying, you know, I always

1207
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>like taking on the bigger boys, just for the challenge

1208
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:12.000
<v Speaker 1>of it.

1209
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Nature is very fearful. Look at thunder, look at a

1210
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:18.280
<v Speaker 2>lightning bolt, striking the lightning bolt the same as a

1211
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.559
<v Speaker 2>person doing it. No, nature is fearful. I have no

1212
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:23.000
<v Speaker 2>problem with you, I'd say. The Bible promotes fear in

1213
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the way of light people believed to be kind of

1214
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:28.320
<v Speaker 2>like a person away. The Bible promotes hey, the fear

1215
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:31.159
<v Speaker 2>of the lord's beginning of knowledge. Proverbs one seven. Job

1216
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 2>describes this being afraid and terrified in the Book of Job,

1217
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.280
<v Speaker 2>and Jesus says, not to fear those who killed the body,

1218
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:43.039
<v Speaker 2>but he cast you hanner fear beyond people killing the

1219
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:45.880
<v Speaker 2>boxy error and afraid they were flying am it God?

1220
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.480
<v Speaker 2>At least in served passes, because other ones, Jesus says,

1221
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.360
<v Speaker 2>do not fear it, go away and me or is I?

1222
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.639
<v Speaker 2>And and then they think it was a fantasma, which

1223
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:55.719
<v Speaker 2>is something the Greek fashion.

1224
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.639
<v Speaker 3>That's a fair point though the Book of Job old

1225
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 3>test and also we know that it's a story and

1226
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:04.119
<v Speaker 3>not a true story that happened. It was like a

1227
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 3>parable because the very beginning of it Satan goes up

1228
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:09.920
<v Speaker 3>to God and communes with him and makes a deal

1229
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Speaker 3>with him. God doesn't make deals, and Satan can't be

1230
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 3>in the same room as God. That's the whole reason

1231
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.599
<v Speaker 3>he's not allowed within God's presence. So, like we know,

1232
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 3>the Book of Job is in fact just a story,

1233
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:22.360
<v Speaker 3>and there's an argument to say that it's actually the

1234
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.519
<v Speaker 3>earliest written book in the Bible, because that goes back

1235
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.199
<v Speaker 3>before the actual transcribing of the Book of Genesis.

1236
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.000
<v Speaker 4>There's an argument to say that it was a part of.

1237
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 3>The oral Torah, because there's an oral Torah in a

1238
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:36.400
<v Speaker 3>written Torah, and they always said that you had to

1239
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.280
<v Speaker 3>have both to understand the entirety of it. The oral

1240
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Torah was passed down orally as it does. And I

1241
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.599
<v Speaker 3>think that the Original or the Old Testament mentions Job

1242
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:47.960
<v Speaker 3>so much, and the New Testament mentions Job's enough times

1243
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:48.559
<v Speaker 3>where they were like.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we actually have to add the entire story to

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<v Speaker 4>the book.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that even if it's like some kind of metaphor,

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00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what that will be teaching as a

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00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.000
<v Speaker 2>metaphor if God looking like that, But at the end,

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00:59:59.079 --> 00:59:59.320
<v Speaker 2>to have.

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00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Faith, to have faith and trust in God, and no

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01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.239
<v Speaker 3>matter what the circumstances, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess the way they painting him was evil in the process,

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01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.480
<v Speaker 2>be cause Joe forty two to eleven. It says God's

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01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:11.239
<v Speaker 2>one brought all the evil upon it on Job. Even

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01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 2>though this alleged abolvement of Satan, it seems to be

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01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.360
<v Speaker 2>God got his hands with bloody there. But what I

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01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:17.880
<v Speaker 2>was going to say is that at the end of

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01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.480
<v Speaker 2>the day, I think that the New Testament Jesus statement

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<v Speaker 2>as well saying don't fear those who killed the body

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01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:24.559
<v Speaker 2>to fear him. And then if you look at the

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01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Book of Job, you could see that they were terrified

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01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.360
<v Speaker 2>God like a healthy thing in their mind. People today

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01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I often hear say, no, it just means respect, like

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01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.079
<v Speaker 2>your parents or something. I just don't see some of

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01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 2>those pastors.

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<v Speaker 3>And to that point about in the Book of Job

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01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 3>where they're saying like God's the one that did all

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<v Speaker 3>this to you. That was his wife who was talking

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01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.599
<v Speaker 3>shit and basically saying like, why are you still praying

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01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:45.719
<v Speaker 3>when all this is happening to you.

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01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:46.880
<v Speaker 4>God's the one that did it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the narrative talking Joe forty two eleventh.

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01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.719
<v Speaker 2>The narrative in the beginning. Yeah, the wife was one

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01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:55.280
<v Speaker 2>talking shit too, but I think she was right in

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01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:58.119
<v Speaker 2>a sense. But that's just my opinions, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Though there's not many times where women are brought up

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01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.559
<v Speaker 3>with reverence, there's a few. There's a few, the Book

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01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:05.559
<v Speaker 3>of Ruth, Book of Vester, I get it. But there's

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01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.880
<v Speaker 3>also a lot of u there's a lot of old

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01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.159
<v Speaker 3>school ways of thinking as far as like dealing with

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01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:13.159
<v Speaker 3>women and dealing with your wives and shit. And then

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01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.400
<v Speaker 3>you look at how Paul wrote about them, and I

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01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.079
<v Speaker 3>think he kind of had to stick up his ass

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01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:20.920
<v Speaker 3>as far as how women should be treated. But I mean,

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01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:23.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's that's its own thing. Because he was

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<v Speaker 3>a traditional rabbi and so he was of the belief

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<v Speaker 3>that women were supposed to be basically silent and submissive

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01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:30.920
<v Speaker 3>and all these things. And it's like, Okay, who was

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01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.000
<v Speaker 3>he writing that to, because we know that the Bible

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01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 3>wasn't written to us. It was written for us, but

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01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.800
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't written to us. The Bible was written to

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01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:41.000
<v Speaker 3>the people of the day and age that it was

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<v Speaker 3>being written to. Right, Like when in Timothy when he

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01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.159
<v Speaker 3>talks about women being silent, submissive, he wasn't speaking to

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<v Speaker 3>all of womenkind. He was talking about the exact church

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<v Speaker 3>because the women of that church were acting in ass

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01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:54.599
<v Speaker 3>and he was telling them to chill the fuck out.

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<v Speaker 3>But people will take that and be like, yep, we're

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to just no, no, no, look at the context,

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01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:00.400
<v Speaker 3>look at the time, place and audience.

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01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.360
<v Speaker 4>It's very important to get the meaning from it.

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01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I think when when we look at that too, like

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01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.159
<v Speaker 2>as somebody's I think they still hold them accountable for

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01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the stories, don't they. They're like, you know, for instance,

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01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.199
<v Speaker 2>like just telling a story like yeah, Abraham and all

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01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 2>this stuff happened, happened in Hades burning and here's a story,

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01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and you know you're accountable for that. What happened with

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01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.000
<v Speaker 2>them two? Or you know is that the Christians us?

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01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:26.199
<v Speaker 2>So I think sometimes like reference in Old Testament stories,

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01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:29.280
<v Speaker 2>they're supposed to be some fine value like Jesus like

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01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.400
<v Speaker 2>you will be given the Sign of Jonah, like have

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01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.000
<v Speaker 2>you not read the scriptures? Type of shit, like like

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01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.599
<v Speaker 2>are you not accountable? In other words, I think they

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01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:38.760
<v Speaker 2>were holding them accountable even though they were writing about

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01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:41.000
<v Speaker 2>stories to other people like you said, but I just

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01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:42.679
<v Speaker 2>want to see more. Thing is I think that even

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01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.880
<v Speaker 2>though you could argue some stuff like that, I think

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01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Christians and choose that conveniently sometimes, like which commandments there

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01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:51.840
<v Speaker 2>to obey and which ones are written at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think because today people are more smarter than no

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01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.119
<v Speaker 2>misogyny for obvious reasons that I figured they should have

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01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.559
<v Speaker 2>known that. They say that was just for the time.

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01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:02.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, we argue that, But I do have to

1324
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:04.239
<v Speaker 2>get out of here soon. So if you guys wrap

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01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:06.400
<v Speaker 2>it up with me involved, and I don't know how

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01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 2>to tap me out of here, but we give you out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, brother, Well, look, we appreciate you coming to hang

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01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:12.880
<v Speaker 1>out with us, and we hope that we can maybe

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01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:14.719
<v Speaker 1>get you on again sometime and maybe we can go

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01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.559
<v Speaker 1>a little bit longer, get weird on here, dude, like,

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01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.920
<v Speaker 1>because I feel like you do. You've done your research.

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01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.360
<v Speaker 1>You bring a lot of knowledge, a lot of great perspectives,

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01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.199
<v Speaker 1>and I like the idea. Actually, I'm not saying that

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01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be converting to devil worship by any means,

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01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:33.199
<v Speaker 1>but that being said, But that being said, I like

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01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:37.320
<v Speaker 1>the idea behind It's it not being a faith based thing,

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01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:41.280
<v Speaker 1>that it actually being a more gnostic kind of way

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01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.559
<v Speaker 1>of understanding. That's kind of the way that I've always

1339
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:46.519
<v Speaker 1>really been pulled to is just more of the nosis,

1340
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:50.039
<v Speaker 1>more of the understanding and knowing rather than just like

1341
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:56.599
<v Speaker 1>being I don't know, kinda led by what other people

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01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:00.119
<v Speaker 1>have said to be led by I don't know either way.

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01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Love you, man, and this was great and we can't

1344
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:05.400
<v Speaker 1>wait to do it again. If you could, could you

1345
01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:07.840
<v Speaker 1>tell our cult members where they can find you.

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01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're waiting on to see what TikTok does with

1347
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing with the band, but you know that's

1348
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.760
<v Speaker 2>that true devil worship is the main account on TikTok

1349
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:20.519
<v Speaker 2>the Instagram's Robert Mortem and so those two you could

1350
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:20.920
<v Speaker 2>go to.

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01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.079
<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, bro, I appreciate your time today and I

1353
01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:28.360
<v Speaker 3>really look forward to having you back on here here

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01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:29.320
<v Speaker 3>hopefully soon.

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01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Man. Yeah, I had a lot of fun discussing topics.

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01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:34.320
<v Speaker 2>You guys seem to be into them a shit, and

1357
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:36.280
<v Speaker 2>most people aren't, you know. They come to the mic

1358
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:38.639
<v Speaker 2>and people bitch at me like I'll bring some you know,

1359
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:41.440
<v Speaker 2>smart people aware, open to discussions with anybody as you

1360
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:44.719
<v Speaker 2>see them right here, and so we try to get

1361
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.800
<v Speaker 2>more people into these concussions, even those who disagree with us,

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01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:49.920
<v Speaker 2>You're welcome to them all the time and love it

1363
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:52.760
<v Speaker 2>because they although they may not agree with everything, they

1364
01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:54.840
<v Speaker 2>understand a lot of shit, I'm saying. At least it's

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01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.119
<v Speaker 2>making a lot of sense. That's the value of it.

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01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh dude, you learn a lot more from people you

1367
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:02.960
<v Speaker 1>disagree with then people you do agree with. Right, very

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01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.760
<v Speaker 1>well said, thank you, thank you, So all right, well

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01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:09.079
<v Speaker 1>yeah we'll do it again. But anyhow, Yeah, Robert, we'll

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01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:17.559
<v Speaker 1>see you next time. Brother. Those books that were found

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01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:21.760
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty five are the books from the second century.

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01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:25.039
<v Speaker 1>It's not like a replica, it's not like a reprint.

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01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 1>It's literally that was from that time, right.

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01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not denying that, but that's my point. Whenever

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01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:33.960
<v Speaker 3>these are discovered in the forties, it's not like, oh,

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01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:35.800
<v Speaker 3>we found this new thing. It's like no, no, no,

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01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:38.199
<v Speaker 3>you found this old thing that has already been talked

1378
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:40.159
<v Speaker 3>about and debated and thrown out.

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01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, I mean known.

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01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.280
<v Speaker 1>My point being is that how could that survive? But

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01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.559
<v Speaker 1>the most important book ever created couldn't?

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01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:50.880
<v Speaker 4>Did the Dead Sea Scrolls not survive?

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01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Sir?

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01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and that's not the original I'm talking about

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01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:58.719
<v Speaker 1>the original Bible. That was put to put together of

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01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the sixty six books, I could see the Old Testament

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01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the New Testament. You couldn't keep some of that shit around.

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01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:08.239
<v Speaker 4>They're more of the New Testament is in existence than

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01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:08.639
<v Speaker 4>the Old.

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01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:08.960
<v Speaker 2>None.

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01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:10.679
<v Speaker 4>There's zero like the original.

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01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's zero of it. There's not a single book

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01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.079
<v Speaker 1>that is still around that. That's what that page that

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01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:17.920
<v Speaker 1>just said, hold.

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01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:20.440
<v Speaker 4>On, hold on, you're all right, let's fucking do this

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01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:21.440
<v Speaker 4>I put in.

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<v Speaker 1>Do the original books of the Bible still exist? Even

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01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Google AI says no, the original manuscripts of the Bible

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01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.000
<v Speaker 1>do not exist, but there are many copies of the

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01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Bible that are considered to be accurate. They're all gone.

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01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, now it makes sense seeing as to how the

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01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Romans did everything they could to kill the Christian cult

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01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 3>before it could spring, and then just Sinian finally made

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01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.039
<v Speaker 3>it legal to be a Christian, then the next year

1405
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 3>made it hey was a Christian, and then the next

1406
01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.400
<v Speaker 3>year it made it the national religion of Rome. But like,

1407
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.320
<v Speaker 3>up until that point, they were seen as enemies by Rome,

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01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.239
<v Speaker 3>so it makes sense that they were like torching them

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01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:57.159
<v Speaker 3>alive in their.

1410
01:06:57.079 --> 01:06:58.039
<v Speaker 4>Books and all that stuff.

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01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.599
<v Speaker 3>But the Bible didn't say anywhere in there that the

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01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.480
<v Speaker 3>original words, the original scrolls will be preserved.

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01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:06.000
<v Speaker 4>It said the original word would be preserved.

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01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:09.880
<v Speaker 1>But don't you find that fucking weird? Like the the

1415
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.800
<v Speaker 1>literal original, the original print. I mean, you want to

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01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:16.559
<v Speaker 1>talk about whoa what was the Bible originally written as?

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01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Was it Hebrew? Was it Greek? Was it Latin? Was

1418
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.119
<v Speaker 1>it English? Who gives? I mean, was it Spanish? A

1419
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:25.719
<v Speaker 1>fucking knows. We'll never know. Nobody has probation.

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01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yes, but we also know that it was referenced

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01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:33.880
<v Speaker 3>from the people of the day and age that were

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01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:37.519
<v Speaker 3>looking at the original, the original if you.

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01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Can believe those people, and we.

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01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:44.400
<v Speaker 3>Can because it's all been verified. How do you verify

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01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.079
<v Speaker 3>something that's not around. Okay, we're gonna have to do

1426
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:49.920
<v Speaker 3>a deep dive on that one if you want, dude,

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01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:53.880
<v Speaker 3>because that's very convoluted and I get it, But the

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01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:56.400
<v Speaker 3>words themselves, and then when it did these grolls are found,

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01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:59.000
<v Speaker 3>it's like, wait a minute, it is a perfect representation

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01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.159
<v Speaker 3>of the King James by but it predated all of this.

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01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.000
<v Speaker 3>It's like, wait a minute, So the real words did

1432
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:06.800
<v Speaker 3>get preserved. Yeah, the books maybe not, but like the

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01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.280
<v Speaker 3>message was preserved.

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01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:11.880
<v Speaker 1>When did the Dead Sea scroll date back to? When

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01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:15.239
<v Speaker 1>was that book originally written from the Dead Sea Scrolls?

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01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a it's a copper scroll. I'm trying to

1437
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:20.920
<v Speaker 3>remember now because they did carbon dating on it. And again,

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01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.760
<v Speaker 3>carbon dating's very yeah, I know, up to conjecture. But

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01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:27.680
<v Speaker 3>if I'm not mistaken, because the Dead Sea Scrolls, they

1440
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:31.800
<v Speaker 3>they knew their whereabouts the entire time, I think they

1441
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:34.039
<v Speaker 3>might have had a decent shot at carbon dating it.

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01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:36.319
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, I don't.

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01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:42.520
<v Speaker 1>It says carbon dating says between the third century BC

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01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and the first century AD.

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01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:50.560
<v Speaker 3>So we're around the time when Jesus was alive. So

1446
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:54.960
<v Speaker 3>these these things survived that long somehow. And then we

1447
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.800
<v Speaker 3>look at it compared to the King James Bible converted

1448
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:01.119
<v Speaker 3>to Greek, and it's a perfect one to one translation.

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01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Dead Sea Scrolls were written in what language?

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01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:10.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to say, Aramaic or Hebrew. Maybe it could

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01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 3>have been Greek. I could believe it if it was Greek,

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01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.119
<v Speaker 3>But for some reason, off the top of my head,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say they were written in Hebrew, which

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01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:22.560
<v Speaker 3>is the oldest spoken language on Earth.

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01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:25.439
<v Speaker 4>And he's saying Sanskrit predates that, and it's like bro

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01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:28.239
<v Speaker 4>calm down with that one.

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01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:34.239
<v Speaker 1>The Dead Sea Scrolls were written in multiple languages, including Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin,

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01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:35.000
<v Speaker 1>and Arabic.

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01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:38.880
<v Speaker 4>Okay, great, so I was on some of that anyway.

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01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Some scrolls are written in Aramaic, the language spoken by

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01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.960
<v Speaker 1>many Jews between the sixth century BC and the Siege

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01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:47.119
<v Speaker 1>of Jerusalem in seventy eighty.

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01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was the language that was mostly spoken. Hebrew.

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01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:53.600
<v Speaker 3>The language itself was more of the like proper language

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01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.359
<v Speaker 3>that would be spoken of or spoken in synagogues or

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01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:01.479
<v Speaker 3>when you're praying and stuff like that. It's more it's

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<v Speaker 3>like the difference between like the King's English and American English.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus is not in the Dead Sea scrolls?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it mostly Old Testament?

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01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.920
<v Speaker 1>It says, is Jesus mentioned in the Dead Sea scrolls? Uh? No,

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01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Jesus is not in the scrolls, nor is the uniqueness

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01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:23.399
<v Speaker 1>of Christianity in doubt. But the scrolls do tell us

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01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.520
<v Speaker 1>a great deal that we had not previously known about

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01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the situation of Judaism at the dawn of Christianity.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, I mean, now it makes sense. Jesus wasn't

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01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.920
<v Speaker 3>mentioned in the Torah. So it's you know, they said

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01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:40.279
<v Speaker 3>the Savior would come, but they didn't like name him.

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01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:42.239
<v Speaker 1>So it's mainly Old Testament.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, yeah, And you were just saying like none of

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<v Speaker 3>that survived? Are you saying the New Testament? None that survived?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think the Dead Sea Scrolls didn't. They

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01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:53.479
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have New Testament in them because most of that

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01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:58.399
<v Speaker 3>was written by Paul after Jesus died and his disciples

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01:10:58.479 --> 01:10:59.319
<v Speaker 3>after his death.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So it makes sense, But isn't that interesting?

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01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Didn't we just read that the Dead Sea Scrolls were

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01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:08.520
<v Speaker 1>dating back to what was it, three.

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01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:10.479
<v Speaker 4>Four hundred BC before Jesus?

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01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:14.760
<v Speaker 1>So how could have it wouldn't have had the New Testament?

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01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.199
<v Speaker 4>Then that's what I'm saying, It wouldn't have mentioned Jesus.

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01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:18.960
<v Speaker 4>That makes sense, right?

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01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:23.319
<v Speaker 1>And also, I mean, are we to believe that the

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01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Dead Sea Scrolls were the first version of that book

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01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:28.239
<v Speaker 1>that was written that was put together.

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01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:29.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't think so.

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01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:31.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean that'd be like saying, well, where's the Jews

1497
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:35.880
<v Speaker 3>original Torah? Where's their original big fat scroll? They have

1498
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:38.560
<v Speaker 3>them in all the Senagogue, where's the original? Probably was

1499
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:42.520
<v Speaker 3>burned by the Romans or the Phoenicians or the Egyptians

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01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:45.319
<v Speaker 3>or the Babylonians or the Persians.

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01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.000
<v Speaker 4>It could be a number of people who did this.

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01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:47.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:52.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we're talking about the most hated group of

1504
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:56.680
<v Speaker 3>people historically ever, and the Christians are kind of the

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01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:59.920
<v Speaker 3>second cousins to them.

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01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:04.079
<v Speaker 1>There are several ancient Torah scrolls and fragments that have

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01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:07.039
<v Speaker 1>been discovered, but the original Tora is not known to

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01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:07.800
<v Speaker 1>have survived.

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01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.239
<v Speaker 3>There you go, at least, where's the original Vedics, where's

1510
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:15.560
<v Speaker 3>the original Vedic texts? Where's the original Buddhist texts? And

1511
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.199
<v Speaker 3>it's like, well, Buddha came. It's a bad comparison. Buddha

1512
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.319
<v Speaker 3>was a Hindi, so that's a bad one. That was

1513
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 3>a spinoff.

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01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:27.600
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter. What point saying is that, Like, you know,

1515
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like the Jews and the Christians and everybody is

1516
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:35.199
<v Speaker 1>is so like, well here it was documented and see

1517
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:37.600
<v Speaker 1>this is the actual proof and all this, and it's

1518
01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:40.560
<v Speaker 1>like all this proof you say you have, but you

1519
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:43.199
<v Speaker 1>don't have the og fucking book that was put together.

1520
01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Like that would make me question my entire belief that

1521
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.840
<v Speaker 1>there's not a original, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1522
01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:54.880
<v Speaker 1>because what if the original was nothing like what you're

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01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:55.479
<v Speaker 1>reading today.

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01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, this is where we have faith, especially when you

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01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:01.399
<v Speaker 3>look at the writing of people from three hundred and

1526
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:05.600
<v Speaker 3>four hundred AD that were like two or three generations

1527
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:06.640
<v Speaker 3>removed from.

1528
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:09.039
<v Speaker 4>The disciples themselves, you know what I mean.

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01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Like, it's not like this was a written text handed

1530
01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.039
<v Speaker 3>down for like three thousand years and like they're trying

1531
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.479
<v Speaker 3>to decipher it. No, these dudes were talking with the

1532
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:19.760
<v Speaker 3>people that walked with Jesus and they were writing down

1533
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:22.039
<v Speaker 3>what they said. This guy took those writings and then

1534
01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:24.640
<v Speaker 3>passed it down to that next guy. That guy wrote

1535
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:27.119
<v Speaker 3>about it. That's not like that far of a source. Hell,

1536
01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:29.960
<v Speaker 3>even the Book of a Thessalonians they mentioned some that

1537
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.439
<v Speaker 3>we now believe was like three years after the death

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01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:34.680
<v Speaker 3>of Jesus. I mean, how much more of a first

1539
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 3>person account do we really need other than the dudes

1540
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:38.600
<v Speaker 3>that you know walked with him.

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01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:40.159
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

1542
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:42.640
<v Speaker 1>The oldest surviving text of the Christian Bible is the

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01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Codex Sinatiicus, which dates back to the fourth century CE,

1544
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:50.039
<v Speaker 1>the Old test No, I'm not talking about what specific version.

1545
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about like the oldest one in life.

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01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:57.560
<v Speaker 3>That's the oldest one that we currently have. As far

1547
01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:59.840
<v Speaker 3>as the New Testament's concerned because it was written in Greek.

1548
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:01.319
<v Speaker 4>Reason why it was written in.

1549
01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Greek is because because of Alexander the Great and his

1550
01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:08.840
<v Speaker 3>massive conquest, Greek was the understood spoken language across People

1551
01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:11.199
<v Speaker 3>in Egypt spoke Greek, People in Pursias spoke Greek, people

1552
01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:14.319
<v Speaker 3>in India spoke Greek. People in Greece spoke Greek because that's

1553
01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:18.640
<v Speaker 3>where he conquered. Why did Latin become the next language over,

1554
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:20.000
<v Speaker 3>because that's where Rome conquered.

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01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, this was a shorter episode. We wanted to go

1556
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:26.479
<v Speaker 1>a little bit longer with your boy Robert Mordom. He

1557
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:29.199
<v Speaker 1>was somebody who we were trying to get on here

1558
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:32.880
<v Speaker 1>for a while. We were trying to find somebody who

1559
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:37.319
<v Speaker 1>was an actual devil worshiper. And I gotta say, I mean,

1560
01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:42.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe you didn't agree with his understandings or philosophies, but

1561
01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:45.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, he came with it, and that's all we

1562
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.720
<v Speaker 1>wanted from him in the first place. He was he

1563
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.079
<v Speaker 1>was really cool, and you know, in having us on here,

1564
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I think that he kept us cool. Anytime somebody disagreed

1565
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:55.359
<v Speaker 1>with him, he didn't get but hurt or anything like that.

1566
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.399
<v Speaker 1>That's that's good. That's that's good for him, and a debate,

1567
01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:01.000
<v Speaker 1>not saying this was a debate, but you know there

1568
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.880
<v Speaker 1>were people disagreeing and bouncing off ideas back and forth,

1569
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and that was cool of him.

1570
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:07.319
<v Speaker 3>But that's also what he does, you know what I

1571
01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:09.800
<v Speaker 3>mean for the content that he puts out. He has

1572
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:11.479
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people, like he said, jump in, some

1573
01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:13.319
<v Speaker 3>of them agree what he says, some of them come

1574
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:15.319
<v Speaker 3>at him, and he's here for all of it.

1575
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:17.239
<v Speaker 4>And so yeah, man, that was fun.

1576
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and I'm bummed that we couldn't get longer out

1577
01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:22.520
<v Speaker 3>of it, But we will be having him back on

1578
01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:25.520
<v Speaker 3>good cult members, I promise you. I cannot wait to

1579
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:28.039
<v Speaker 3>talk more about the gnostic texts. I cannot wait to

1580
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:31.039
<v Speaker 3>talk about original translations. I can't wait to talk about

1581
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:35.239
<v Speaker 3>other pagan entities that he also is like drawing in

1582
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:38.600
<v Speaker 3>and bringing into to compile what he sees and what

1583
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:39.239
<v Speaker 3>he believes.

1584
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:41.359
<v Speaker 4>I thought this was fascinating, bro.

1585
01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah dude, Yeah he was. He was pretty cool. I

1586
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.760
<v Speaker 1>feel like, you know, could could could really just be

1587
01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:51.520
<v Speaker 1>like one of the homies. I like him. But anyway,

1588
01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna wrap it up right there, and uh, look,

1589
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:57.119
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1590
01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:59.359
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1591
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:02.840
<v Speaker 1>to support the ship and to have completely commercial free time.

1592
01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And if you want to be able to join us

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01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:09.479
<v Speaker 1>every Tuesday night at nine pm Central for the Cult

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01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Live shows is that is also at patreon dot com

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01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:15.880
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1596
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:17.800
<v Speaker 1>up for the third Eye all the Way Open tier

1597
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, how about some Knife fans Jacob.

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01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, if you haven't already good Cult members, please do

1599
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:28.159
<v Speaker 3>this for us, especially as we're bringing in these types

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01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:31.399
<v Speaker 3>of guests and we are talking about these controversial topics

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01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:33.359
<v Speaker 3>and maybe you want to let us know what your

1602
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:35.720
<v Speaker 3>thoughts are on this, then please let us know. And

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<v Speaker 3>at this time hit the five stars, sit the shares,

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<v Speaker 3>the like, subscribes to comments, leave a post, leave review,

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01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:43.199
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01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:45.520
<v Speaker 3>The more activity the algorithm sees across all of our

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01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:48.079
<v Speaker 3>listening platforms, the more we get promoted to more potential

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01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:50.239
<v Speaker 3>listeners who could that become potential Cult members.

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01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:51.199
<v Speaker 4>Like the rest of you, fine ladies and.

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01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:53.479
<v Speaker 3>Gentlemen, and why you're ready to go check out Metamisteries,

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01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:05.560
<v Speaker 3>thank you for everybody's already gone and done so.

1616
01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:09.479
<v Speaker 1>And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode

1617
01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:13.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Cult of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan,

1618
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm Jacob and there's one very important, extremely vital piece

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01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:18.119
<v Speaker 1>of information we need you to learn just as soon

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01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:19.520
<v Speaker 1>as humanly possible.

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<v Speaker 2>No bed off that are seen s