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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Utah Jazz have a game tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we have been reacting to the news that

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<v Speaker 2>Craig Smith has been relieved of his duties is the

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<v Speaker 2>head coach of the Utah men's basketball team. As you're

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<v Speaker 2>proud home at the University of Utah, But the Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>welcome in the Blazers. Our next guest knows a thing

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<v Speaker 2>or two about the Blazers. Tom Haverstraw on Monday, Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Monday, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you the Blazers.

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<v Speaker 3>Who just put a fifty three point SmackDown on the

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<v Speaker 3>Charlotte Hornet. It's a franchise record. Watch out for the Blazers. Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's you know, let's pump the brakes a little bit, Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, two teams in a similar position. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, I don't even know this. Do you travel

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<v Speaker 2>with the Blazers broadcast team. I probably should know that

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<v Speaker 2>about you.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a post COVID era where remotely I do

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<v Speaker 3>this out of my house. They put up a studio

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<v Speaker 3>in my garage, like I've had a garage apartment up top,

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<v Speaker 3>and I do it from here in Charlotte, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, that's awesome. How do I get that gig. I

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<v Speaker 2>need to get a side gig like this, Tom, how

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<v Speaker 2>do I do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you got to talk to the jazz. You gotta

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<v Speaker 3>gotta talk to Danny. You gotta talk to Justin, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>Will Hardy. You give a you know, you got to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to them about that that gig where you can

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<v Speaker 3>do it basically TV from your uh, from.

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<v Speaker 2>Your house, probably going to be probably need going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a different team, Tom, But you know we could

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<v Speaker 2>probably talk about why you know another time. But I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your time, man, appreciate your time. So before we

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<v Speaker 2>get to Jazz Blazers, let's kind of jump around a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, do some big picture of NBA stuff. Since

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<v Speaker 2>I've been able to talk to you since the All

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<v Speaker 2>Star Break, and of course since we're both NBA media members,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to do the topic on the show. How

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<v Speaker 2>did you digest the All Star Break and what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about, you know, the conversation surrounding it, and

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<v Speaker 2>is it even a game that we need to have anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>And your thoughts on the new format. I just need

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<v Speaker 2>the Tom Havers show taking on All Star weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the All Star Game died a long time ago, yep.

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<v Speaker 3>And That's true for every sport, not just the NBA.

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<v Speaker 3>So save me the whole. You know, the NBA has

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<v Speaker 3>lost the plot. The NBA doesn't know what it's. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's NFL. Major League Baseball and NHL have had to

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<v Speaker 3>do away in one form or another with the thing

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<v Speaker 3>we all grew up on, which is watching Michael and

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<v Speaker 3>watching Kang Griffey Junior and Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire

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<v Speaker 3>watching all these stars come together for the first time

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<v Speaker 3>all season and having this like spectacle. That's all gone.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to not hold on to the nostalgia of

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<v Speaker 3>it all because two things have changed in the NBA specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>one is the player empowerment era. We don't have the

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<v Speaker 3>same sort of regard for the novelty of seeing all

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<v Speaker 3>the best players play together. You know why, because they

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<v Speaker 3>already are. Luka Danciz just got traded to the Lakers,

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<v Speaker 3>and Lebron has now played with Luca, Anthony Davis, Kyrie, Irving,

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Love, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh. You go on, Dowt

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<v Speaker 3>ray Allen. You don't get the same sort of dopamine

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<v Speaker 3>hit of seeing these guys play in the All Star

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<v Speaker 3>Game together because they already have played together, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>a different era in that respect. And secondly, the social

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<v Speaker 3>media cell phone era has made it so that we

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<v Speaker 3>have instant access to all of these guys, all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>If you wanted to get highlights or see these guys

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<v Speaker 3>in their you know, normal behind the scenes, their personality,

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<v Speaker 3>we already get it. All that used to be where

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<v Speaker 3>you got to see you know them hanging out and

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<v Speaker 3>get this behind the scenes access access is now everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we used to get a to see all

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<v Speaker 3>these guys and around the court and all, look there's

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<v Speaker 3>Shack with his camera out, and look it's KG. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>there's Kobe, that Michael like. That was such a novelty

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<v Speaker 3>back then, but now it's not. And so I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think everyone has to come with the grips on

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<v Speaker 3>the grips with the idea that the All Star Game

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<v Speaker 3>is now obsolete and every sport has figured this out,

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<v Speaker 3>and the NBA needs to understand and they've come around

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<v Speaker 3>to the idea that like three point competition is probably

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<v Speaker 3>going to be the main event going forward if there

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<v Speaker 3>is a one on one tournament. Okay, but I do

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<v Speaker 3>think that the All Star Game as we know it

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<v Speaker 3>that thing died many, many years ago, and that's true

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<v Speaker 3>for all sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Hum.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting because I have not talked to

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<v Speaker 2>you since the All Star Break, and it's exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel about the game. And I'm only aware that

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I had bitch and moan about in belly

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<v Speaker 2>ache about it is for thirty years it was the

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<v Speaker 2>best pickup game in the world, and it was awesome

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<v Speaker 2>for a number of years.

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<v Speaker 1>But to your point, it's a long time now.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's since it's been like that, maybe two decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite frankly, you know, if you want to go back

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<v Speaker 2>that far, is there any meat on the bone? And

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen international versus domestic before, but with the evolution

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, I don't know, however you want to

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<v Speaker 2>rank it, maybe five of the top seven or eight

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<v Speaker 2>players in pro basketball being international players. Yanna's talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe doing this overseas or something. The problem

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<v Speaker 2>with it, as I'm talking and I'm listening to myself

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<v Speaker 2>out loud, is that I don't think you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get these guys to give a rip about it if

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<v Speaker 2>it's played in Paris or Salt Lake or wherever.

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<v Speaker 1>But is there any meat on that bone to.

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<v Speaker 2>An international domestic competition played overseas.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there is. I'll tell you what I was watching.

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<v Speaker 1>Court of Gold, so good, so good, tom awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I talked about access, and I talked about

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<v Speaker 3>how rare it is. You know that we used to

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<v Speaker 3>never see these guys together and now we see it

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<v Speaker 3>all the time. This was a different kind of access

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<v Speaker 3>where you're getting in ways that like they don't normally

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<v Speaker 3>do it with the NBA, Like there is no hard

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<v Speaker 3>knocks NBA. But this Court of Gold was really special

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<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes, getting these guys to talk candidly about

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<v Speaker 3>how big this all felt, and there is a sense

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<v Speaker 3>of pride. Kevin Durant was so emotional that it brought

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<v Speaker 3>him to tears thinking about what this game has brought

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<v Speaker 3>him and how cool it is that there's twenty seven

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<v Speaker 3>thousand screaming fans saying USA and backing Team USA and

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<v Speaker 3>how important that meant to him. He was brought to tears,

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<v Speaker 3>And there is a sense of pride, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>there is something to unlock. There is the idea of

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<v Speaker 3>where you're from and if you were call what Kevin

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<v Speaker 3>Durant was talking about was I came from nothing, and

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<v Speaker 3>how hard it was to survive my neighborhood, and basketball

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<v Speaker 3>gave me a ticket to getting out of that that

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<v Speaker 3>hard life where you're just going to become a statistic.

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<v Speaker 3>And his mother didn't want him to become a statistic,

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<v Speaker 3>and the gave the game gave him life. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>wondering if it's not USA versus World, I'm wondering.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's BC East Coast versus West Coast versus Central

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<v Speaker 4>where you have three you have three different American teams

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<v Speaker 4>East versus West, and then you go Chicago, Texas and

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<v Speaker 4>that and that hole basically the central part of basically

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<v Speaker 4>Coast Seattle Crew, and you go and you play basically

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<v Speaker 4>three three American teams, and then there's an international team

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<v Speaker 4>or you do Team Europe, Team Africa, Team US, and

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<v Speaker 4>then Team Canada something like that. I think there's something there,

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<v Speaker 4>but East versus West. I'm sorry these people who think

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<v Speaker 4>that that's going.

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<v Speaker 3>To revitalize things. No one cares. The players don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>East versus West isn't a thing anymore because teams, players

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<v Speaker 3>are switching teams from East to West all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, I don't think there's a sense of pride

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<v Speaker 3>East versus West anymore, especially in the player empowerment era.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think there might be a foreign Nations

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<v Speaker 3>thing possible with the NBA. But it's gonna have to

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna have to thread the needle, and we probably

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<v Speaker 3>could do eight podcasts on this concept. But I do

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<v Speaker 3>think there is a regional aspect with Foreig nations that

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<v Speaker 3>could be applied to the NBA.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we move off of this, give me your thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>on the presentation and broadcasting decisions. Like if I was

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<v Speaker 2>playing in that format and I played my ass off

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<v Speaker 2>to get a win, and then they came over to me.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, you're gonna sit down for thirty minutes while

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Hart makes fun of sha Shaq's turtleneck, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna bring on some streamer who's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna like, I don't even I'm old.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't know these streamers, and I understand

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to cater to younger audience. But they interviewed Jokich

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<v Speaker 2>Tom and they said, so what'd you do during the break?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I got tight like It was beyond dumb

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<v Speaker 2>to ask these players, some of whom Stephen Curry Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>Durant are in their early to mid thirties, to go

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<v Speaker 2>sit after playing and then have them play again. They're

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<v Speaker 2>lucky somebody didn't tear a an achilles, Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>rip apart of an achilles ten like, tell me your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on the way they elected to go about the

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<v Speaker 2>presentation and the flow of the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's business for president over basketball. That is all that

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<v Speaker 3>is is that they were trying to figure out a

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<v Speaker 3>way to lengthen the broadcast as much as they can

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<v Speaker 3>to fulfill their advertising revenues and their advertising partners and

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<v Speaker 3>their corporate partners. And that's tough, especially because the last

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<v Speaker 3>couple of years I remember, Chris Paul and Steph Curry

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<v Speaker 3>have been talking about it is like we wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>get rid of all the pomp and circumstance, the pageantry

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<v Speaker 3>of the intros, because they'd warm up, then they'd have

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<v Speaker 3>was a musical act and then they would play. And

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Paul brought it up to Adam Silver's like we

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<v Speaker 3>got to do something about that like warming up and

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<v Speaker 3>then sitting for a half hour and standing around before

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<v Speaker 3>the game. We got to get rid of that, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they did. They tried to solve that problem, and

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<v Speaker 3>they went right back into it this year, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just think that it was look, I think Lebron sitting out.

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<v Speaker 3>I had more of an issue with Lebron sitting out

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<v Speaker 3>than a lot of the things that went on. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the fact that he took the last minute and

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<v Speaker 3>didn't even get into his uniform to take the photo.

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<v Speaker 3>It seemed like a sort of statement in me and

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<v Speaker 3>l Hassen on the Basketball Illuminati podcast, we just put

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<v Speaker 3>it out last week and Jamie Fox's commenting on it,

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<v Speaker 3>Draymond Scottie Pippener commenting on our podcast, because the meme

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<v Speaker 3>was like it seemed like Lebron was trying to make

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<v Speaker 3>a statement, like Clutch was like upset with the All

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<v Speaker 3>Star format going bringing me All Star or sorry the

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<v Speaker 3>rising stars into the four team competition and Lebron wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>having it. Draymond Green did the you know the hat

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<v Speaker 3>emoji for cap meaning it's a lie. But the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that Lebron is opening up this conversation of why he

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<v Speaker 3>sat out the All Star Game is not a good

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I've made my sentiment known on the Lebron thing.

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<v Speaker 2>if you're named an All Star, and whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sabonis or Norman Power or whatever, like, if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to play, just say something. Don't make it all

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're not going to play, say something. Let

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And and look, he's forty years old. He gets

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<v Speaker 3>what it's what imagine if that was one of his

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<v Speaker 3>You know, would the conversation be different for Lebron or

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it would be. So I do think that

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<v Speaker 3>that was a miss. I get that if he's injured,

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<v Speaker 3>he's injured, whatever, But you know, it does seem to

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<v Speaker 3>me like that was an unexplainable, inexplicable situation that he

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, they've played really well since since the

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<v Speaker 3>All Star break. So whether that means that he got

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't want to play, I don't know. Whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 3>the Lakers look really good with that with him out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I look, you know, it even continued with the

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<v Speaker 2>not like he was fine, you know, but continue the

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<v Speaker 2>narrative or whatever. But let's move off of this because

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<v Speaker 2>since you and I last spoke, some rough news came

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<v Speaker 2>down the Victor weban Yama's shut down for the year.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I heard blood Clott Tom, I thought bosh.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my first thing, right, I thought, Chris Bosh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, oh no, Now, all of the reporting

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<v Speaker 2>just fine. Of course you got to shut him down

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<v Speaker 2>immediately with something that serious, But you've done some work

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<v Speaker 2>on this, your thoughts on this unfortunate news in the

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<v Speaker 2>future of Victor webben Yama's pro basketball career based off

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<v Speaker 3>I had the same reaction, Oh no, is his career

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<v Speaker 3>in jeopardy now because I covered Chris Bosh in Miami

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<v Speaker 3>and that scared the living daylight time of me. It's

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<v Speaker 3>seeing Victor webin Yama the next great superstar. If he's

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<v Speaker 3>not already the face of the league, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be sooner than we think. And the key here is

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<v Speaker 3>that DVTs vain thrombosis effect the shoulder is potentially and

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<v Speaker 3>I say this potentially just because I'm not a doctor,

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<v Speaker 3>but I did talk to a doctor, Brian Sutter, for

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<v Speaker 3>an article at Yahoo Sports that went into detail about

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<v Speaker 3>why this is different than Chris Bosh and potentially less

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<v Speaker 3>severe of a case because Bosh the blood clot had

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<v Speaker 3>traveled to his lungs. It started in his leg, it

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<v Speaker 3>traveled into his lungs. He complained of chest pain and

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<v Speaker 3>that's like life threatening situation and that also might not

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<v Speaker 3>be a structural issue that can be fixed. Whereas Wemby

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<v Speaker 3>the shoulder blood clot is the same thing that happened

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<v Speaker 3>Orleans Pelicans drafted by the Lakers. He had the same

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<v Speaker 3>issue that Wemby is. From what I can tell, it's

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing, and he had surgery to remove part

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<v Speaker 3>of his rib to basically free up that vein and

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<v Speaker 3>a allow the blood flow to go through okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>by doing that he hasn't had an issue since. And

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<v Speaker 3>so that was right before the ad trade. He had

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<v Speaker 3>the DVT, the same thing that Wenby has, and he

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<v Speaker 3>has he took you know, some time off, and he came,

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<v Speaker 3>he got traded to the Pelicans, and then had an

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<v Speaker 3>all star year the first year. So he's had his

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<v Speaker 3>best years after DVT, which is to say that Wemby

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<v Speaker 3>medical issue that if he does take care of this,

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<v Speaker 3>like brandon Ingram situation was taken care of, he might

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<v Speaker 3>be fine and we might not ever see the words,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, or associate it with career threatening or any

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<v Speaker 3>sort of thing like that. And so Wemby while he

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<v Speaker 3>is having season ending treatment, I do think there is

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<v Speaker 3>optimism from a medical standpoint that if this is a

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<v Speaker 3>brandon Ingram situation, it is not a Chris Boss situation.

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<v Speaker 3>And blood clots are scary, but it is apples and

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<v Speaker 3>oranges in some sense where because this was a shoulder

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<v Speaker 3>deep bay thrombosis thoracic compression syndrome, I believe it's what

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<v Speaker 3>it's called. This is a shoulder issue, blood clot issue,

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<v Speaker 3>not a leg one. And I think that's a very

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, one question about a team out east, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is my beloved new York Knickerbockers that can't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to win against a you know, win a game against

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<v Speaker 2>a really good team, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, at least out that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, ultimately I still think it's a team

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but we all know that Boston is

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<v Speaker 2>still perceived to be the best team out that way,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Cavs just won't stop winning. So it does

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<v Speaker 2>appear that there's a tier of two and then a

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<v Speaker 2>drop off. And maybe it's the Knicks and get into

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<v Speaker 2>the Box and the Pacers or whatever. But what are

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on, for whatever reason, the nixt inability, at

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to playing good teams, they just can't

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<v Speaker 3>One. It is a concern of mine that they are

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<v Speaker 3>not able to play up to the abilities of the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of the cream of the crop in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 3>that they cannot get over the hump. And it's not

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<v Speaker 3>even just being it's not even winning those games that

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<v Speaker 3>they that's been elusive. It's even being competitive in those

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<v Speaker 3>games it's proved elusive. For the new York Knicks. They're

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<v Speaker 3>getting blown out, not just losing, but it's not even close.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's one thing that is the concern, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's the defense, is that when you're playing against

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<v Speaker 3>seventy five percent of the NBA, they can score enough

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<v Speaker 3>that they can basically, in the most purest sense, outscore

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<v Speaker 3>the opponent that they can be an average defense and

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<v Speaker 3>get away with it. Against top ten offenses. The defense

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<v Speaker 3>has the twenty ninth ranked defense according to Cleaning and

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<v Speaker 3>Glass dot Com. That's absurd, like Tom Thibodau's defense being

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<v Speaker 3>the second worst in the NBA against good offenses is

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<v Speaker 3>unheard of. And the second part of this that I

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk about is Karl Anthony town should not

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<v Speaker 3>gone back in that game yesterday and he had a

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<v Speaker 3>knee injury he could barely walk, and then in the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth quarter he's at the scorer's table and comes back

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<v Speaker 3>into the game in a blowout. That should not happen.

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<v Speaker 3>And Tibbs, We've been down this road so many times,

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<v Speaker 3>and I do think there is a Tibbs tax where

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<v Speaker 3>he demands so much of his players in the regular season,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're seeing it with the minutes totals he gets

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<v Speaker 3>really great regular season results, but last year I think

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<v Speaker 3>is more common than not where they just break down.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm worried about the Knicks on two fronts. One

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<v Speaker 3>their ability to play with the best of the best,

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<v Speaker 3>and two, I am worried about Karl Anthony Town's knee.

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<v Speaker 3>And if they've got this investment in Karl Anthony Towns

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<v Speaker 3>and he's got a knee injury, that could be a

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<v Speaker 3>problematic going forward. They got like four more years on

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<v Speaker 3>that contract. And if you can go from a bad

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<v Speaker 3>situation to a really bad situation, if there's any sort

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<v Speaker 3>of issues there with his knee.

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<v Speaker 2>I Tom, before I say you lose Jazz Blazers tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>make it interesting, go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think when you look at the Timani Kamara, this guy,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is going to get a lot of talk

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<v Speaker 3>for all defense, maybe even Defensive Player of the Year.

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<v Speaker 3>He shut down LaMelo Ball a night ago. He shut

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<v Speaker 3>down Tyree Taliburton. This guy, Timani Kamara, He's worth the

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<v Speaker 3>price of admission watching him what he does up and

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<v Speaker 3>down the floor. So this guy was a second round

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<v Speaker 3>pick traded from Phoenix in the DeAndre Ayton deal. Yusuf

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<v Speaker 3>Nurkic Phoenix have been awful this year and Timani Kamara

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<v Speaker 3>the Blazers just put a spa on the Hornets, a

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<v Speaker 3>fifty three point win franchise record. And I got to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you this guy, Timani Kamara, who had a plus

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<v Speaker 3>forty five in the plus minus column, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>see what he does against Isaiah Collier. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>see what he does against the Jazz because what he's

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<v Speaker 3>been doing against the opponent's best player all season long

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<v Speaker 3>has been worth a price of admission. So keep an

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<v Speaker 3>eye on that dude. Timani Kamara from Belgium had twenty points,

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<v Speaker 3>ten rebounds and six assists the other night. Watch out

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<v Speaker 3>for this guy. He's a real gamer.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom, you are the man. I appreciate the time. Good

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up. Have a great call on the broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>tonight and we'll chat soon, buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, s Bence, have a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom haberstrow busy Busy guy writes a piece for Yahoo Sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think he has four different podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>He's on the Blazers analytics team as well on the

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast side of things. On Twitter at Tom Haberstrow is

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<v Speaker 2>where you find him,