WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:13.160 Hello, plastic pills listeners, We're back trying this again. 2 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:17.120 We're back in our country. You're back in our country. Actually, 3 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:18.480 Eric is not. 4 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:20.719 Eric is not in our country. 5 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:24.239 I'm in a foreign land speaking of gooning. And you 6 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.239 can answer this or not. Do you have to do 7 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.280 you have to sign in with your I D to 8 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:34.000 watch porn in Britain. Oh that's right, yeah, or you haven't. 9 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:36.640 I there's like i D laws here. 10 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:40.799 No, you can't look at anything without doing some kind 11 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:43.880 of I think it's either you have to upload your 12 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:48.039 like driver's license or take a photograph of yourself and 13 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.679 like give it to AI and it will like judge 14 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.880 your age based on your like the I think there's 15 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.000 a couple of methods I think. But yeah, it's this 16 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:00.520 like UK wide policy where like yeah, progress, he's like 17 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:05.799 strictly controlled here and you have to do the age verification. 18 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:06.280 Kind of thing. 19 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:10.040 So so people are like screw that. So gooning is 20 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:13.760 extra hard here. No, not really. I was on the 21 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:16.519 bus the other day on my way to work and 22 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.760 some person who's sitting in front of me gooning real hard, 23 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.159 like they had an open they were fucking I guess 24 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.840 does that qualify you're on a hinge or whatever, a 25 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:29.680 dating site in the likes six thirty in the morning, 26 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.159 just hitting hinge hard on the bus on the way 27 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:32.519 to work. 28 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.920 That feels like coming, That is. 29 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.519 Having it, giving your brain a dopamine bath at like 30 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.000 fucking six am. That is goooning in my books. I 31 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:44.079 had to move away because I'm like, I'm not watching 32 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.560 this guy. I'm kind of sitting in a seat that's 33 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:49.640 like sort of raised up over, so I'm just watching 34 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:52.840 this person on like just trying to crush dates. So 35 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.159 I'm thinking, no, fuck, I've got to move to another 36 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:56.760 part of the bus. I'm not watching this in the 37 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:00.480 morning because I'm trying to slow my brain down. 38 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.280 He was not masturbating, No, not not. 39 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:10.599 Not literally, not ala Lett, but just just the more 40 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.919 the wider version of gooning that the that that that 41 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.639 guy proposed what's his name on. 42 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:23.759 The Daniel College so he's he's metonymically gooning, like like 43 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:24.599 what Drake. 44 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.560 Was doing when that drone spotted him on the in 45 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.360 the middle of the day, gambling and drinking. What was 46 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:34.680 he drinking? So yeah, that was that's qualifies as gooning. 47 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.400 Or when Kanye goes around with his naked wife at 48 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:39.560 public events. 49 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.240 I'm going to pretend I understand those references and say, 50 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.560 just when I thought we were done with Lacan, I 51 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:49.280 found something else that I wanted to talk about. 52 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:51.039 And look, I don't want. 53 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.800 To be too strict about the Lacinian concept that we're 54 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:57.680 introducing today, because Lacan himself. 55 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:58.759 Is not very strict about it. 56 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.039 He never I guess he never fully finished it. But 57 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:07.599 I think it has a lot in common with other structuralists. 58 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.439 And the term is signifying chain. Now, I think that 59 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:18.039 the signifying chain will help us understand a troubled young 60 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.680 man by the name of Nick Quines. 61 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.120 I think the signifying chain helps us understand all right 62 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:25.960 wing discourse. 63 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:27.560 What about left wing discourse? 64 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.039 We use this term, he used it specifically, but discourse 65 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:35.439 discourse means like whatever's happening on Twitter to us. But 66 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:39.639 you're right that the signifying chain is is what discourse 67 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:41.280 is largely. 68 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.120 I think a lot of left wing discourse too. But 69 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.000 I think a lot of left wing discourse tries to 70 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:50.439 be like full speech, not not empty speech. 71 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.639 Tries you but do you think that's kind of batting 72 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:55.680 for the home? Batting for the home? Team over there 73 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:55.919 are you. 74 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:57.960 It's a little I don't know. I'm not sure I'm 75 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:00.080 super confident about that. 76 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.159 I think I'm not either. I'm just I'm just making 77 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:05.080 simple binaries. 78 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:07.479 Making because I guess I just feel like I prefer 79 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:09.080 the signifying chain of the left. 80 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.039 But they're both like, yeah, same, that's my chosen chain. 81 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.199 Change chain me up. 82 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.839 Congrats tore On my mom. Dammy, that's good. At least 83 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:21.480 that's some good left wing news. 84 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.560 But yeah, that should be interesting. I mean, it feels 85 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:28.560 like it's more interesting to hear about than it's actually been. 86 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:33.279 But yeah, maybe I haven't been I haven't been getting 87 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:34.279 my fix of politics. 88 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:38.439 I haven't been following it much either. But Fuentes I 89 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.399 have somewhat been following. 90 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:45.160 He's uh, he's on what they're calling a meteoric rise, 91 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.519 which is a turn of phrase I never understood because 92 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:50.600 meteors do not rise. 93 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.560 They do not I've never never heard that that. I've 94 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.839 never noticed that. That also, Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. 95 00:04:59.240 --> 00:04:59.839 That's true. 96 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.399 They're either like going in the direction they were going, 97 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:07.160 or they're falling into like a gravity going fast. 98 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:11.240 I hate inaccurate metaphors. I hate in metaphors. It don't 99 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:15.000 make sense. Yeah, he's the opposite of socialism or. 100 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.120 Some my so Fuetes, I've been like just my own 101 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.480 sick curiosity with like weird right wingers online. He's someone 102 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:24.480 I've been I mean, I don't want to say i've 103 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.279 been like following him, but I've been like kind of watching. 104 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.639 I remember the first time I noticed his stuff was 105 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.120 after the Gjacques Peterson debate. He reacted to it, and 106 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:36.399 I had no idea who he was. 107 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.959 Oh wow, you've been on this this bit for a while. 108 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.639 Yeah, for a while, And I didn't know who he was. 109 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:45.959 And he was like this young kid and I'm supposedly 110 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.279 on the right, And I just remember finding it amusing 111 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:50.519 that he thought that the stuff that Jacques had made 112 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:51.319 more sense to him. 113 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:54.000 Wasn't he like twelve when that debate happened. 114 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:57.360 I think he was like nineteen, okay, and he was 115 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.600 talking about how like this, how like at least was 116 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:04.040 saying some stuff that made sense, But Peterson was just 117 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.199 fixated on this fantasy of individualism. 118 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:10.439 Yeah, if I were to try to do some hegalienism, 119 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.000 I'd say that Nick Fuentes is the alf Habong of 120 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:19.000 the current right wing discourse. And I'm not committing to that, 121 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.560 but it sounds like that's something that would be right 122 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:22.000 to say. 123 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:29.639 Yeah, I think historically it overcomes, it cancels, it preserves. 124 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:30.920 It's the next thing. 125 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:34.680 I guess. I guess the way that I would make 126 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.439 sense of him and the way that he's situated in 127 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:42.279 right wing discourse right now is I think there was 128 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.759 a time when, especially like kind of neo kon conservatives 129 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.759 in America, we're like very pro Israel. I guess. Look, 130 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:53.639 the way that I see, like if we want to 131 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:57.360 think about Fuentes as being some kind of rift or 132 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.000 leading to some kind of rift, is that he flowed 133 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.199 with racism and anti semitism in like a pretty pretty 134 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:07.040 overt ways. But I think also like the fact that 135 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:10.879 he's gaining some steam, and you know, he went out 136 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.000 he did that long interview with Tucker Carlson, which I 137 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.079 did listen to. I don't know why, I just hate 138 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:17.439 myself so I wanted to listen to them. 139 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:19.560 I watched that too, So that's where I'm getting most 140 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:20.920 of my information from as well. 141 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.079 Yeah, and I think, like what's kind of interesting about 142 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.879 him is I do think that, like some people who 143 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.720 are just critical of Israel for like legitimate reasons that 144 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:33.959 probably all three of us would want to be critical 145 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.279 of Israel about, right, Like the fact that, for example, 146 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:40.199 the US just gives them, you know, billions of dollars 147 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:45.240 for weapons, you know, discomfort with obviously the way that 148 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:47.279 they've handled more than just discomfort with the way that 149 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:50.439 they've handled like the October seventh Gaza response, So all 150 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:55.839 these things that all of us would probably be critical 151 00:07:55.959 --> 00:08:00.399 of Israel for. It's almost like Fuentes, is you using 152 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.839 that and then getting right wingers to be like, yeah, 153 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:05.959 maybe Israel kind of sucks, like why are we paying 154 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:08.560 them so much money? And that also is related to 155 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:12.120 another theme I think emerging with Donald Trump of kind 156 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:15.680 of protectionism America first. It's like which was always sort 157 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:19.399 of a subtext in American conservative I mean Ron Regan 158 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:23.040 used to say America first, but this kind of more 159 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:26.120 over America first discourse is like why would we give 160 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:29.680 money to anyone else? But that's so, you know, it's 161 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:35.600 almost like he's using like kind of legitimate criticisms of Israel, 162 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:41.000 but then to use those legitimate criticisms to basically be like, 163 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.600 but maybe it's the Jews, right, it's not just like Israel, 164 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.879 Like maybe it's actually like Jews that suck and not 165 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.080 just Israel that sucks. Like that's kind of my sort 166 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:54.399 of common sense like oversimplification of I think what's happening. 167 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.840 It's like use legitimate criticisms to be like, you know, 168 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:00.000 my stuff about because like cause Fuentez, I think is all. 169 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.720 I don't know enough to say for sure that he's 170 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.080 like come out and question the Holocaust, but he's probably 171 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.080 questioned like the numbers, and this is. 172 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:10.919 Obviously flirted with questioning it. 173 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.440 Yeah, he's flirted with questioning the numbers. And this is 174 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.440 like the classic thing that I think some conservatives do 175 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.960 is kind of like these days is you know, kind 176 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.720 of not go all the way or at least like 177 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.559 far right is sort of flirt with it and be like, 178 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.720 you know, I'm not saying that they're the Holocaust didn't happen. 179 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.720 I'm just asking questions, you know, I'm just like, well 180 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:37.000 do those numbers really make sense? And like you know, okay, yeah, 181 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:38.799 I get that it's like the Israeli government, but like 182 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.519 maybe there's something about Jews also that like is the reason. 183 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:43.559 I'm just you know, asking questions here, I feel like 184 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:45.600 that's sort of the move right. It's not it's not 185 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:49.159 as overt as like classical kind of ku klux Klan 186 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:53.360 Nazi racism. It's more like I'm just trying to be 187 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:56.679 critical and like, notice that we're giving all this money 188 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.320 to like Israel and the Jews and banks, and it's like, 189 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:01.919 you know, it's this step and I don't know if 190 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:06.000 how we can apply signifying chains to that. Whereas before, right, 191 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:09.399 I think that in the past, conservatives, like even the 192 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.679 Christian conservatives would have been like, no, like Israel good 193 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.840 because Israel is like a partner in Western civilization and 194 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:22.240 Judeo Christian values, and like fucking you know, conservative evangelicals 195 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:28.240 had a huge heart on for you know, like the 196 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:32.200 evangelicals because when the Jews returned to Israel, that's supposedly, 197 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.200 you know, supposed to be when christ might come back. 198 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:38.639 And like I know Mike Huckabee is like one of 199 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:42.200 those evangelical I think he's the American ambassador to Israel 200 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:46.279 right now, and he's like huge pro Israel guy. And 201 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.159 again I think that's motivated by this. So that's I 202 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:51.919 feel like I see like this rift in like this 203 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.639 isolationism like America first and like why are we giving 204 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.399 the money? And then that can and then people can 205 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.399 be like, yeah, Israel, why are we giving some much money? 206 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.720 But then like that's sort of in the background underneath 207 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:05.840 being pushed towards the like why do we like the 208 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:07.759 Jews kind of thing, Like that's being pushed that way, 209 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.480 whereas the other is still more either neocon, but then 210 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:15.519 also with this kind of religious evangelical drive toward like 211 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:19.360 loving Israel because it's because it fits with Judeo Christian values, 212 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.120 and maybe there's some kind of I don't know, is 213 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.000 it is it correct to say missionic kind of like 214 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:30.200 motivation towards liking Israel, like wanting it to be maintained. 215 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.519 So I don't know. That's sort of my summary overview 216 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:35.120 of sort of how I see this, and maybe we 217 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.960 can now start applying theory to it. Or maybe there's 218 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:39.759 something I missed that you wanted to cover, because I 219 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:44.919 know pills you also watched the Fuenttez Tucker discussion, so 220 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:46.960 maybe there's more in there that I didn't touch on. 221 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:48.200 I did more than that. 222 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.960 I did homework, I did, I watched I watched three 223 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.039 hours of Fuentes actually this week. 224 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.600 Oh nice, I think I know. 225 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.919 Exactly how theory fits with that. Like what you were 226 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:05.200 saying about how Fuentas like, we're we we be questioning 227 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.440 the allegiance with Israel, but for very different reasons. But 228 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:15.159 it's essentially like the same objective critique but coming from 229 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:16.360 different ways. 230 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:16.519 You know how. 231 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:19.840 In in that article like the Agency of the Letter 232 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.240 that look on Wright near the beginning. 233 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.799 For listeners who are unfamiliar, Agency of the Letter in 234 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.759 the Unconscious is an essay by about. 235 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.519 Yeah, oh yeah, context, we have an. 236 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:34.559 Introduced to yet it's in uh a tree. 237 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:38.519 It's about it's about how structuralism fits into psychoanalysis. 238 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:40.639 Well, he puts that. 239 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:45.200 Picture near the beginning, right, Well, I think if you're 240 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.759 a theory fan anyway, you know you might be aware 241 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:54.879 of so serves signify or signified. You have the signifier 242 00:12:55.000 --> 00:13:01.200 the sound image connected to a concept, and it's represents graphically. 243 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.080 In Lakhan he puts a big S and then like 244 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:08.519 a bar, and then a small S underneath it. The 245 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.080 bar just looks basically like a bar in like a 246 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.399 math equation like one over two, but it's big s 247 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.919 over little less and near the beginning. He doesn't like 248 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:22.039 this sort of barred picture, so he puts the two doors, 249 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:27.039 you know, the two doors, and puts ladies and gentlemen 250 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.279 over top of it, over the bar. Like so the 251 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.000 two doors on the bottom are identical, but you see 252 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.120 gentlemen and ladies above it, and those are different. So 253 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:42.799 you know, okay, he's talking about men's bathroom and women's bathroom, 254 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.200 but the two bathrooms under the bar are the same, 255 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:51.120 but the two signifiers on the top are different. And 256 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:56.120 he's using this to illustrate how the signifier enters into 257 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.279 the signified, and how that there's a slippage of the 258 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:04.840 signified underneath the signifier. And that is what I wanted 259 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:10.200 to say applies to this. Right, we're both like there's 260 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.240 a left wing way and a right wing way of 261 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:15.720 being critical of Israel, and it shifts over time. There's 262 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:19.360 a slippage there, and now the right has sort of 263 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:23.200 launched its own criticism. And you have the same situation, 264 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:27.159 these two identical doors on the bottom, door on the left, 265 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:29.799 door on the right, and the only difference between them 266 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.960 is the signifier written over top of it. Right, It's 267 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:38.240 like how wearing a poppy has become controversial lately. You know, 268 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:42.279 you have two identical poppies on the bottom. Well, some 269 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:45.519 people are there's been these debates about like it has 270 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:49.840 the right like co opted wearing poppies now and there's 271 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:55.200 now this like debate around wearing a poppy and whether 272 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.559 this expresses like some kind of political allegiance. But in 273 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.480 the end, you just have the two identical poppies on 274 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.559 the bottom and the only difference is the signifier written 275 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.399 on the top. Part's that's how And you know the 276 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:16.200 slippage of the signified in the signifying chain and how 277 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:21.559 the signifier enters into the signified. That's how I thought, Yeah, 278 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:23.840 I realized I didn't set the context there. I just 279 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.360 we had a power outage earlier and we'd already started 280 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:30.279 talking about this, so like in my mind, context had 281 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:31.600 been set right. 282 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.799 And context of the poppy is in Canada from World 283 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.879 War One, there was poppies that grew on the graves 284 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.600 and then we're supposed to wear one on November eleventh. 285 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.639 We wasn't it? Also the poppy fields in Flanders Fields 286 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.360 where they fought and like is it Belgium or or 287 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:49.240 did maybe. 288 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:53.399 Belgium in the Battle of World War One. Yeah, well they. 289 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.919 Do it in the UK too. There's the poppy and 290 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.279 they read it over the announcements in the morning in 291 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:01.679 Flanders fields. The poppies grow between the crosses row on row. 292 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:06.399 It was written by John McCrae, a Canadian poet. Yeah, Canadian. 293 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.720 I'm was sure everybody was aware of that. 294 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:12.279 Canada was part of Britain basically during World War One, 295 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.919 right like we had to go if they started, if 296 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:17.120 they declared war, we were automatically declared war. 297 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:18.679 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 298 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.840 We did automatically independent country still, but yeah. 299 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:24.720 But I think that wasn't true during World War Two. 300 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:26.600 I think world War Two we had more independence where 301 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.200 we could have chosen not to. But I think we 302 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.600 just did a declare war at the same time. 303 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:32.919 And we're very proud of that, which is we did 304 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:35.679 right wing coded. I guess when it comes to poppy anywhere, 305 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:36.480 it's for America. 306 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.039 Of course, it's America first. 307 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:40.799 That's why it took them years to even enenter the war. 308 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.960 So if you didn't catch that, Eric gave kind of 309 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.080 a critique of so sirs signified that explains how the 310 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.159 one meaning can like have multiple meanings depending on its 311 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.440 place in the and here's the key term, the signifying chain. Now, 312 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.360 we can't really abuse the signifying chain concept all that 313 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.120 much because, like I said, it's not fully fleshed out. 314 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.039 But what he does say about it is that it's 315 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:10.119 made of signifiers. And these signifiers they're they're linked together. 316 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.200 So you can see this when you get a term 317 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.000 like Nick Fuentz likes to talk about, when you get 318 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.799 the term white has a very important meaning to Nick 319 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.200 Fuentes and then it's attached to different links for him 320 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:24.559 that it may not be attached for me. 321 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.839 I'll just I'll say that I'm I'm. 322 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:31.680 Not in my mind all that concerned about whiteness as 323 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:36.079 much as Nick Fuentes seems to be. But everyone, well 324 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.759 I should. This is this is where it gets a 325 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.400 little tricky. It's like, does everyone have their own signifying chain? 326 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.240 Kind of yes, but you don't build it from scratch. 327 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:47.000 It's not like you're special and unique. 328 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.599 No, it's socially constituted. 329 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.440 This is why we're bringing it into terms with like discourse, 330 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.720 because basically, you have a you have a signifying chain 331 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.519 that organizes your beliefs based on signifiers, and the signifiers 332 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.440 that are most important to you. But Lecan says, like, 333 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:07.240 your knowledge of these signifiers and your experience with these 334 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:14.240 signifiers matters very little because actually these are pre constructed 335 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:15.720 and you find yourself in them. 336 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:17.559 And yeah, you could probably change. 337 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:21.759 Like if your parents are religious and conservative, you can 338 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:27.519 definitely adopt a signifying chain that is, I don't know, 339 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:33.240 atheist and not conservative. However, you don't make these connections yourself. 340 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:38.480 You're basically given these connections. So one thing that's really 341 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.039 a consequence of this is that so much of speech, 342 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:45.640 I think Eric earlier called it empty speech. So much 343 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.039 of speech when you get in a discourse which is 344 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:51.240 like managed by social rules that are particular to that community, 345 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.799 So much of speech in that context is automatic, like 346 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:58.039 you don't choose what said. And part of the reason 347 00:18:58.039 --> 00:18:59.759 that this got set off for me was because we 348 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.559 said after that h after mister Kirk had his little 349 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.079 accident over there, I said, I was so frustrated because 350 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:14.039 it was an exciting event, an exciting there's no moral content. 351 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:15.920 I'm not saying there's any moral excitement. 352 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:17.359 Yes, that's just it was. 353 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.359 It was exciting, like adding heat to a solution. It 354 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:23.839 was an exciting event. But all the responses to it 355 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.079 were so rote, like you could have predicted what everyone 356 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.039 would have said in advance, like we condemned violence, blah 357 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.920 blah blah blah blah. This is part of the signifying 358 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.400 chain when you get this automatic type of space. 359 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.119 Well, and it's the same thing I think with like 360 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.160 the kind of lefty Twitter verse. I think it was 361 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:42.480 also predictable to see that there would be like a 362 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:44.599 bunch of woke leftists would be like, I'm glad he's dead. 363 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.359 He got what he deserved. Like that was also its 364 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:50.720 own kind of automatic response, I think, right. I mean 365 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:55.240 like I was nod and like, and I guess I 366 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.640 was also thinking about, yeah, okay, so it's okay, So 367 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:01.920 it's like an automatic response. I was also just kind 368 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:03.960 of thinking about what what is like what is like 369 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.880 a conservative like signifying chain of like and I guess 370 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.079 it's like things that I was like, try, So there's 371 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.119 two things I was trying to disentangle because I guess 372 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:16.200 there's like one sense in of it in which like 373 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:19.079 you think, like one concept kind of like leads to another, 374 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.000 like for you might say like family, and then that 375 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:23.000 makes you think about values, and that makes you think 376 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:27.039 about like morality, and then Christian and like I don't know, 377 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:32.359 like law and order, freedom, patriotism, troops, like I don't know, 378 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:35.359 just like things that like would lead you to other concepts. 379 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.640 But then it seems like there's another sense if I'm 380 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:44.240 remembering this correctly, in like a Lacanian point where there's 381 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:48.839 like in sentences, there's like a there's like a retroactive 382 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.599 meaning where like where like as you're saying hearing the 383 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:57.039 words or hearing a sentence, it's like meaning isn't Maybe 384 00:20:57.079 --> 00:20:59.559 it's a point about meaning like that that it's not 385 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:02.119 to side it into like the end word of a sentence. 386 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:03.480 And I thought that that also had to do with 387 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:05.160 signifying change. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? 388 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:06.519 I don't know. I feel like this is maybe maybe 389 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:07.720 I'm getting two things mixed up. 390 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:08.720 No, that's right. 391 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:12.519 It's because the idea of the chain is these links 392 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.119 is it's not a closed system, which is a different 393 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.720 view of language or meaning is that you can have 394 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:20.359 closed systems, but this one is because there's links in 395 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.799 a chain, you can always continue to add to it. Yeah, 396 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.640 so then because you can add to it, then the 397 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:31.680 meanings can change, and that's how you kind of explain 398 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.799 the evolution of discourses, which, to bring it back to 399 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:40.000 our current topic, FWENT is getting attacked by the other 400 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:47.839 conservatives on the grounds of changing one of the signifiers 401 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.640