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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>KFI AM six forty Bill Handle. Here it is a

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday morning, February nineteenth. Some of the stories we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at President Trump President Putin are expected to meet before

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the month.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, first Amendment case really a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>We start with the head of the FCC, newly appointed

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<v Speaker 2>head of the SCC, Brendan Carr, and he is well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me put it this way. He was on a

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<v Speaker 2>Fox show, strangely enough, and he was appointed by the president.

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<v Speaker 2>And he announced that the FCC is investigating KCBS San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco AM station over its coverage of the administration's mass

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<v Speaker 2>deportation raids in San Jose. And here's what happens, or

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<v Speaker 2>here's what happened. You have kcbas read looking at a

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<v Speaker 2>raid that is happening in real time and saying, there's

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<v Speaker 2>an undercover car over there, here are agents over there,

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<v Speaker 2>all of this in real time, and he is arguing

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<v Speaker 2>that got in the way of law enforcement. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. Of course, First Amendment people are going, wait

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, we sure as hell can. What we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>is reporting what is happening So that is one issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other issue, which I think is more fun,

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<v Speaker 2>only because I have a personal experience with this, is

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<v Speaker 2>there was against CBS. There's a move that's being taken.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a civil suit Trump is doing for ten

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars because sixty Minutes in an interview with Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris and edited it to look like she was answering

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<v Speaker 2>the question one way when she was answering a question

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<v Speaker 2>the other way. And he wants ten billion dollars of

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to see what damages they are because what happened

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<v Speaker 2>as a result. Oh, I don't know. He won. So

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<v Speaker 2>where's he going to get his ten billion dollars even

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<v Speaker 2>if a jury agrees with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, KSEBS or CBS.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrongly edited the Kamalay Harris interview.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now what you won?

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<v Speaker 2>So case in point because I have some experience with this,

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<v Speaker 2>not particularly running for president or winning, but being interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>by sixty minutes. And this happened in the early eighties

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<v Speaker 2>when sixty Minutes I was doing a doing one of

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<v Speaker 2>his segments on surrogacy, and I was a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of it because there were two of us on the

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<v Speaker 2>planet that were doing surroget parenting law, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>was I was a guest. I was featured on sixty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes and they ran I don't know, forty seconds of

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<v Speaker 2>me saying things and then an interview there. I was

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<v Speaker 2>filmed for three hours. That's how long. The interview ran

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<v Speaker 2>three hours, and they ran about a minute and a

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<v Speaker 2>half of it. And that's simply the way they operate.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is no such thing as unbiased. It doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a question of how much bias there is.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to Fox, MSNBC, that's biased. You go to Newsmax,

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<v Speaker 2>that's crazy bias. It's all biased. And case in point,

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you about a story that broke another

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<v Speaker 2>personal story and goes to show you that there is

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<v Speaker 2>bias no matter what, and just one word can change

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<v Speaker 2>everything much less a series of questions. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing one of my clients was Tag Romney, who was

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<v Speaker 2>Mitt Romney's son in the middle of his run for presidency,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was a client of ours and had a

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<v Speaker 2>kid with us and was on a second child. And

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<v Speaker 2>what we do is we have a ten plate, an

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<v Speaker 2>abortion template, an abortion clause in our contract that says

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<v Speaker 2>that the surrogate mother will not have an abortion under

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<v Speaker 2>these circumstances. Child is anomaloust or whatever has a genetic

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<v Speaker 2>disorder such that the child will not have a quality

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<v Speaker 2>of life, and the parents make that decision, followed by

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<v Speaker 2>a paragraph in font into the world headline saying that

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<v Speaker 2>this clause cannot be enforced under Roe v Way, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no such thing as enforcing.

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<v Speaker 1>These this clause. Okay, fair enough with that.

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<v Speaker 2>The Romneys, who are very conservative Mormons and are not

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<v Speaker 2>particularly pro choice. What happened was that to remove that clause,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's our general clause.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be removed manually from my contract.

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<v Speaker 2>And since it was the same surrogate and only the

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<v Speaker 2>dates were different, the clause ran in the second tract

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<v Speaker 2>that says the parents will decide if.

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<v Speaker 1>The surrogate is to have an abortion. Yeha, okay Romney.

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<v Speaker 2>Romney's son just sighed a contract that says he has

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<v Speaker 2>the right to abort a child not even carried about

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<v Speaker 2>his own wife.

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<v Speaker 1>How controversial is that?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the run for the presidency that Mitt

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<v Speaker 2>Romney was engaged in at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>TMZ picked up that story.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone got hold of the contract and sold it to TMZ,

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<v Speaker 2>and there it was his signature the abortion clause. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, that was going to break wide open. Now

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<v Speaker 2>the good news is Harvey Levin is a friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine who I have known, who runs and heads and

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<v Speaker 2>created TMZ. I've known him for over thirty five years. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>he was my ethics professor in law school. Now let

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<v Speaker 2>me repeat that, the guy who created TMZ was my

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<v Speaker 2>ethics professor in law school. In any case, I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to him and said, the story has to break. But

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<v Speaker 2>here is the difference. One word difference, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>I explained to him what happened, that the paralegal just

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<v Speaker 2>put in the wrong paragraph and it was a mistake,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we crossed it out and did a new contract.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here's how that line ran. Bill handle coma

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<v Speaker 2>director of the Center for Surrogate Parenting, explains what happens

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<v Speaker 2>versus claims what happens? You could use both, because I

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<v Speaker 2>made the claim and I explained, And which word do

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<v Speaker 2>you think has well I get the benefit of, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the word explained as opposed to I claimed there was

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<v Speaker 2>a clerical error.

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris was interviewed for Ours.

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<v Speaker 2>And choosing what she says is biased no matter what

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<v Speaker 2>you do unless you run all the raw footage. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what Trump wants, by the way, he wants

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<v Speaker 2>all the raw footage, and he will see and you

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<v Speaker 2>know you have stutters. Oh here's another one. You get

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<v Speaker 2>the raw footage, and you have the interviewee going uh

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of missing a word, either either a malapropism

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<v Speaker 2>or missing the sentence completely, and you know, missing misconstruing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what's run goes to show you what a

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<v Speaker 2>moron she is versus a tight, well conducted answer that

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<v Speaker 2>is cogent. You can do anything with that. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening is the FCC is going down hard on

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<v Speaker 2>KCBS right now and CBS, and it's you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>media is biased. By the way, the argument that the

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<v Speaker 2>media is biased towards the left I completely agree with.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's been going on forever because all the reporters

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever met are pretty left wing. Okay, airplane crashes.

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<v Speaker 2>Two things that come to mind whenever I say airplane crashes.

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<v Speaker 2>One is a look at the number of crashes that

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<v Speaker 2>have happened recently. Look at the number of incidents at

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<v Speaker 2>airports where there have been collisions or there have been

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<v Speaker 2>near collisions up in the air. You have the possibility

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<v Speaker 2>of collisions, you know, the planes missing each other by

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<v Speaker 2>a few hundred feet. Okay, scarier the hell airplane accidents.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're just bound to happen. The other phrase

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<v Speaker 2>is flying airplanes is probably the safest way to travel

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<v Speaker 2>that's ever been invented. Second is true. First, not so much,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you look at the statistics in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>airplane debts, they are actually less than the last year

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<v Speaker 2>and less than they have been in decades. People just

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<v Speaker 2>don't die in airplanes. They don't fall out of the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't usually see pilot error, you don't usually see

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<v Speaker 2>mechanical problems that cause deaths. It just doesn't happen, did it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it just happened in at Reagan International. We know that

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<v Speaker 2>at Pearson International Airport in Toronto, we had that plane

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<v Speaker 2>that flipped over and they're trying to figure out what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It maybe came in too hard, don't know. No deaths

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<v Speaker 2>in that one, and of course all the deaths occurred

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<v Speaker 2>in the at Reagan International Airport. The reality is there

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<v Speaker 2>have been years in which no deaths have occurred, not

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<v Speaker 2>only in the United States, but all of the world

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<v Speaker 2>on scheduled airlines, it still is extraordinarily safe going out

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<v Speaker 2>on the road, and driving is far more dangerous statistically.

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<v Speaker 2>But even I don't get frightened when I drive on

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<v Speaker 2>the road. Do I think what's going to happen if

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<v Speaker 2>the plane goes down? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I do, even though I'm very comfortable flying.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've told you many times, George Norry and I

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<v Speaker 2>have flown together a few times on the way to

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas, and we always have George Norri does the

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<v Speaker 2>overnight for people that don't know. He does the coast

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<v Speaker 2>to coast business with Poltergeist and Martian Anal.

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<v Speaker 1>Probes and whatever the hells he does.

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<v Speaker 2>And we always argue about who's going to get Number

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<v Speaker 2>One building if the plane goes down, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>say he is going to and he always says I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>To The point is I do consider that. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>consider that when I'm driving at all. Maybe it's because

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<v Speaker 2>a lack of control, maybe because I don't do it

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<v Speaker 2>every day. And I think most of us are in

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<v Speaker 2>the same position. And some people are scared to death

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<v Speaker 2>of flying because of the possibility. Because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things you get in a car accident, you're good chance

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to survive or not be injured.

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<v Speaker 1>You fall out of the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye airplane accident, You're not making it out on that one,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. But the reality is it is safe

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<v Speaker 2>to fly. It is safer to fly now. So now

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<v Speaker 2>what ends up happening. You have these possible mid air

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<v Speaker 2>collisions where planes get too close to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that does happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it because it's being reported now because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>much bigger deal now, Yeah, I think that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, the vast majority of deaths that do occur,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're talking in a bad year of a couple

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred, are in small planes. They're all in small

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<v Speaker 2>planes two three passenger little cessens or occasionally you have

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<v Speaker 2>a leered jet or a corporate jet. But those pilots

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty good. Plenty of young pilots two three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>hours in the air, not even forty hours in the air,

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<v Speaker 2>that are flying private planes. Those guys get in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Little bit of trouble. But even so, it's so rare.

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<v Speaker 2>So next time you get on an airplane, let me

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<v Speaker 2>put it this way, I'm going to make you feel

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit better. There are so few deaths that

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<v Speaker 2>occur so rarely that I want you to think, when

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<v Speaker 2>you get on an airplane, you're due. Okay, statistically it's

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<v Speaker 2>about to happen to you. Have a good time, enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>your vacation. I want to go back to the fires, because,

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<v Speaker 2>about the fires and one of the things and this

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<v Speaker 2>is Altadan, and we're going to talk about because Altadena

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<v Speaker 2>has a whole history of First of all, to say,

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<v Speaker 2>many African Americans live there.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not a wealthy area like the Palisades.

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<v Speaker 2>It is going to need more help probably, and rebuilding

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<v Speaker 2>all those thousands of homes is no easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Trick, and it can't be the traditional way of building.

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<v Speaker 2>Hire an architect, you go back to Department of Planning,

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<v Speaker 2>Building in Safety for the permits.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not going to be done. They're looking at alternatives.

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<v Speaker 2>How are we going to do this, Well, let's make

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<v Speaker 2>the building process easier, let's make it faster, Let's figure

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<v Speaker 2>out some way of financing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Another way of doing it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to what happened at the turn to the

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<v Speaker 2>last century when sears.

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<v Speaker 1>The sears catalog sold homes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's not a question of listing homes, not a

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<v Speaker 2>question of selling them on the open market.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a kit that you bought to build your house.

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<v Speaker 2>For those people that buy model airplane kits for example,

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<v Speaker 2>which I did as a kid. Right, you got all

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<v Speaker 2>the pieces and you put them together and it took

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the glue and in this case was glue.

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<v Speaker 2>But with the kits that you bought to build your home,

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<v Speaker 2>it was nails and lumber was all pre cut. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a kit where everything was supplied, the nails,

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<v Speaker 2>the screws, the electrical panels, I mean, everything other than

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<v Speaker 2>the foundation which had to be poured. And people built

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<v Speaker 2>their own homes. And if you think that was a

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<v Speaker 2>rare occurrence, they sold one hundred thousand of these homes.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was in a day and age where and

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<v Speaker 2>it was right out of the Seers catalog. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you've ever seen a Sears catalog. It got

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where Sears, and this Sears was the

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon of its day. It went from a brick and

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<v Speaker 2>mortar store to a catalog store. Amazon started as a

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<v Speaker 2>catalog store on the internet. So the two have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in common and everything that Amazon is today. Sears,

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<v Speaker 2>Roebuck and Company was that in the early nineteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>through the thirties, and it got to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>the Sears Catalog was four hundred pages and they would

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<v Speaker 2>be sent out and people would I mean, they couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to get it. It was second only to the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible in people's homes. They would be used at outhouses

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<v Speaker 2>on a nail. The pages, the covers were framed and

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<v Speaker 2>put inside people's homes. I mean, it was extraordinary what

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<v Speaker 2>that was. And so you're looking back. They're looking back.

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<v Speaker 2>People are saying, Okay, do we go back to kit homes?

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<v Speaker 2>And they had a lot of them, but and they

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of them, but the design was already there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. There was no building process other than putting

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<v Speaker 2>them together. And what I want to do, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to spend a few minutes just talking about the Sears

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<v Speaker 2>catalog itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And the homes you could buy in talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>The Altadena fires and rebuilding thousands of homes. New methods,

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<v Speaker 2>new ways of doing this simply have to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>And the talk is.

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<v Speaker 2>All about speeding up the process, building permits architectural absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe pre manufacture manufactured.

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<v Speaker 1>Homes, No one really knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Manufactured homes modernly are the closest thing to what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about, and that is Sears catalog, the

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<v Speaker 2>kit homes that you put together yourself. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to digress on the history of this because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>great fun when we're talking about it. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the Sears Catalog page of a home, a kit home

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<v Speaker 2>that was sent to you or sent to customers. Every nail,

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<v Speaker 2>every screw, every panel, every piece of wiring. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the lumber all sent via kit and it was delivered

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<v Speaker 2>on a railroad car and delivered to your house, to

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<v Speaker 2>your site. And I'm assuming you had to pour your

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<v Speaker 2>own foundation. They didn't ship a foundation. And so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking looking at a home and this is the Barrington

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<v Speaker 2>model home kit small house, one small bedroom, a living room,

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<v Speaker 2>not bad, by the way, fifteen by thirteen. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>let's go back and get into why Sears was doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Sears was selling everything under the planet, everything, home goods,

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<v Speaker 2>farming equipment, virtually everything, jewelry.

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<v Speaker 1>It started with jewelry, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Modern Homes catalog was a separate catalog that

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<v Speaker 2>sold these kids. Nineteen o eight to nineteen forty is

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<v Speaker 2>when the homes were sold. At the beginning of nineteen eight.

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<v Speaker 2>The prices ranged from one hundred and seven dollars for

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<v Speaker 2>a home. That's thirty five hundred dollars today for a home,

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<v Speaker 2>a kit home. It's just ridiculous. Then you had the

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<v Speaker 2>highest level at that time with thirty five hundred dollars today.

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<v Speaker 2>No one hundred and thirteen one thousand dollars today, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the Saratoga Flush. Toilets were not also included

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<v Speaker 2>because they were a luxury, although it did say any

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<v Speaker 2>of the houses in this book, this catalog can be

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<v Speaker 2>arranged with bathroom for a small additional charge. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen oh eight catalog. So Seares introduced three lines,

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<v Speaker 2>the simplex sectional, the Standard Built, the Honor Built, the

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<v Speaker 2>simplest sectional, the cheapest two rooms, no bathroom. It was

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<v Speaker 2>basically a cottage, a small cottage. However, it did have

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<v Speaker 2>ancillary buildings included outhouses, chicken coops, hoghouses were included in

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<v Speaker 2>the price. Different kind of clientele. Standard Built was built

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<v Speaker 2>for warmer climates because they couldn't retain heat. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a little tougher now. The Honor Built was the finest,

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<v Speaker 2>and it had cyprusiding, cedar shingles and maple trim that

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<v Speaker 2>went for in today's dollars, one hundred and thirteen thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was a different, different world.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen eighteen, the Magnolia, a ten room Honor built mansion,

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<v Speaker 2>sold for fifty one hundred dollars. In this we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighteen dollars, about one hundred and one thousand dollars today.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen thirty nine. The last one, the Winnona Bungalow, the

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<v Speaker 2>cheapest model, sold for effectively today sixteen thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>The Malden, the kind of house that puts a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lift in your soul, sold for what today would be

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<v Speaker 2>fifty six thousand dollars. It's just completely crazy. Handle.

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<v Speaker 3>I was checking this out looking you up because it

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<v Speaker 3>fascinates me as well. So apparently they sold over seventy

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<v Speaker 3>thousand of these homes between nineteen oh eight and nineteen forty,

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<v Speaker 3>and then.

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<v Speaker 2>I show one hundred thousand, but that's okay, okay, roughly,

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<v Speaker 2>but okay, they say roughly seventy percent of them are

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<v Speaker 2>still standing to this day and that nuts. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're a catalog home. That is a bit of history

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<v Speaker 2>that is extraordinary. But then I was sorry. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to be pretty handy to put together a house.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they apparently destroyed Seers destroyed their sales records. No

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<v Speaker 3>one knows exactly. But there are these little there's these

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<v Speaker 3>little stamped these stamped wood on the unfinished areas like

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<v Speaker 3>the attic that apparently that you can tell if they

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<v Speaker 3>were one of these houses or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that insane? Yeah, it's just the history of this

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<v Speaker 2>is an incredible Sear sold cocaine, Sear sold heroin. No, now,

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<v Speaker 2>these were Yeah, these were medical miracles at the time

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<v Speaker 2>when you had nothing but quackery there and these were

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<v Speaker 2>doctors that produced these quack remedies and Sear sold them.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember when they were when you'd get the Sears

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<v Speaker 3>wish book before Christmas and that's what you'd look through.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd look through and that's what you picked.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad worked at Sears when in the seventies doing displays,

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<v Speaker 3>design and displays, and so we always got what you know,

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<v Speaker 3>stuff from Sears and it was always scratching dent.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I am going.

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<v Speaker 2>To end with a personal memory. I was, uh, what's

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<v Speaker 2>Cono doing. It was in the nineteen fifties. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just very, very small, and I remember this that in

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<v Speaker 2>the Sears parking lot in North Hollywood, they had a

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<v Speaker 2>very large Sears. Then we lived a couple of blocks away.

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<v Speaker 2>Sears was selling bomb shelters against atomic attacks, and they

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<v Speaker 2>put a bomb shelter in the parking lot that you

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<v Speaker 2>could walk through. That was their display because there was

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<v Speaker 2>such a fear of the Russians attacking us with nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the the.

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<v Speaker 2>Height of the Cold War, when everybody was afraid that

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<v Speaker 2>Russia was going to launch. And there was the bomb

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<v Speaker 2>shelter that you could buy from Sears. That was a

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<v Speaker 2>great that great store. And then of course Sears went

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<v Speaker 2>under and they went bankrupt, and it was and they

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<v Speaker 2>had Craftsmen tools, they had ken More, their own name

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<v Speaker 2>in appliances, Craftsmen tools, and they kept selling those off

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<v Speaker 2>because Sears couldn't function anymore. All right, So much for

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<v Speaker 2>that coming up. A generation of young people have gone

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<v Speaker 2>far right. Donald Trump picked up young people. But wait

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, young people are left wing. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>in college, man, it was communism, it was socialism. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted people to I want a government to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>everything I did. What's happened one overriding factor and just

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<v Speaker 2>the way the world is going. And I'll come up

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<v Speaker 2>with that. And then what was that saying?

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<v Speaker 3>If you're young and conservative, you have no heart. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're old and liberal, you have no brain. Yeah, isn't

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<v Speaker 3>that the old saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's another one. If you're young and hung you

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<v Speaker 2>do very well in bars. Do I have that wrong? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, sorry, right, okay, let's go ahead and pick up

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<v Speaker 4>the right wing and it comprises young people.

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<v Speaker 2>KF I am sixty. You've been listening to.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bill handle the show.

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