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Speaker 1: The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

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Speaker 3: Here is your host s, George Hobbs.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time

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for another edition of our classic audio series, and tonight's

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audio comes from architects and engineers for nine to eleven Truth.

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In their documentary nine to eleven Explosive evidence experts speak out.

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So in this documentary, you're going to be hearing from

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structural engineers, high rise architects, physicists, chemist, firefighters, controlled demolition experts,

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and these folks are stepping up. They're putting their names,

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their faces, and their reputations on the line. So they're

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not going to be debating the planes no plane theory,

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you know, C four Thermite, nuke, Israel, neo cons Saudi

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this and that this is the most basic of arguments

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that these three buildings one, two, and seven were brought

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down by demolition and by proving that to at least

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getting that part over to people who turn a blind

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eye to nine to eleven Truth. Once you get that

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across to them, they have thousands of people, these licensed professionals,

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master's degree who understand what they're doing. Say there's no

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way the official story holds up. Then we can get

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people to understand what we do, demand the reopening of

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the case, and get to the bottom of the actual truth.

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Who was truly behind one of the greatest crimes on

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American soil. So again you're going to hear the true

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stories of what these structures really do under stress. You'll

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hear words like free fall, acceleration, symmetrical collapse, right, total

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failure of critical support, terms that aren't supposed to show

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up unless very specific external forces are at work. So

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this is a really good two hours of information and

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a lot of people telling you the official story of

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World Trade Center one, two and seven. It's impossible for

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it to have happened that way. So, without any further ado,

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our classic audio today from the architects and engineers for

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nine to eleven Truth, nine to eleven, explosive evidence. The

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experts speak out.

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Speaker 5: Tribute Lights in the New York Skyline, an annual memorial

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to the lives lost on nine to eleven. Yet there's

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still more light that needs to shine, revealing truths that

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their family members deserved to know. September eleventh, two thousand

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and one, A day that changed history. Four planes went

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silent and off course. Two of those planes crashed into

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the World Trade Center twin towers. Several columns were severed,

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and the jet fuel ignited fires that spread over several floors.

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About an hour later, millions watched in shock as both

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towers were suddenly and rapidly destroyed, almost three thousand people

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for whom truth and justice may have yet to be served.

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Hi Imrichard Gage, AIA licensed architect of over twenty years

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and member of the American Institute of Architects, a founder

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of Architects and Engineers for nine to eleven Truth, a

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nonprofit organization of well over one thousand technical and building professionals.

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According to official government reports, the fires weakened the structural

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steel framing of both twin towers, leading to sudden, progressive

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and total collapses unknown to most people. A third steel

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frame high rise, World Trade Center seven, was also destroyed.

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Critical questions have been raised by more than fifteen hundred

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architects and engineers about the official exis explanations for the

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destruction of all three of these buildings, along with more

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than ten thousand other concerned individuals. These professionals collectively comprising

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more than twenty five thousand years of experience have signed

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our petition. They're calling for a new investigation into the

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destruction of these three World Trade Center high rises. This

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call is based on evidence that reveals a very different

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destruction scenario than reported by government engineers. This includes abundant scientific,

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forensic data an eyewitness testimony that was omitted from the

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official reports. You'll be seeing this evidence and hearing from

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dozens of these technical experts, including many who are among

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the top in their respective fields. We at a nine

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to eleven truth are inspired by President Obama's affirmation to

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the American people in his inaugural address. How do we

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accomplish this? We've done our best to fulfill the President's

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vision by using the scientific method, examining the evidence from

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the World Trade Center, and developing unbiased conclusions from unbiased

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experts in their fields. Listen to the President provide his

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account of the pervasive political abuse of science, and.

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Speaker 6: We have watched as scientific integrity has been undermined and

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scientific research politicized in an effort to advance predetermined ideological agendas.

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Speaker 5: As coherent sets of scientific facts are brought into focus

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by the experts, the data and the witnesses. In this film,

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you will come to a much greater understanding of the

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events of nine to eleven and will be in a

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position to draw your own informed conclusions. Also, psychologists, therapists

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and count uncilors, along with theologian David Ray Griffin, who

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have a deep understanding of the personal issues associated with

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nine to eleven, will explain why it is so difficult

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for us to come to terms with the reality of

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these events and learn how we can help ourselves and

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others with this difficult yet vital responsibility. Of course, the

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ones still most affected by the events of that tragic

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day are the family members of the victims lost on

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nine to eleven. Several have asked to appear in this documentary.

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Although our focus will be primarily technical, we are deeply

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moved and honored to give them the opportunity to speak

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directly to you. Now, let's hear from the AE nine

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to eleven truth professional petition signers who will share with

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you what conclusions they came to. Among these experts are

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high rise architects and engineers in the fields of structural design,

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material science, chemistry, fire protection, metallurgy, as well as physicists

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explosives experts, and demolition technicians. Joining them will be firefighters

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and nine to eleven victims family members who support our

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call for a new World Trade Center investigation. Now, let's

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hear from the AE nine to eleven truth professional petition

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signers who will share with you what conclusions they came to.

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Among these experts are high rise architects and engineers in

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the fields of structural design, material science, chemistry, fire protection, metallurgy,

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as well as physicists, explosives experts, and demolition technicians. Joining

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them will be firefighters who support our call for a

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new World Trade Center investigation.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to be involved in conspiracy theories. You know,

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there are lots of them that can go on. We

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can speculate on that forever. What we really need.

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Speaker 8: To know.

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Speaker 9: Is how.

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Speaker 7: How those buildings came down.

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Speaker 10: My name is Joel Miller, and I have a Bachelor

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of Architecture degree from Temple University in Philadelphia. And while

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I was there in Philadelphia, I worked for two firms

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on a couple of high rise buildings, the thirteen story

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Federal Detention Center for Ewing Cole Cherry and Broad. I

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spent about two years on that project.

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Speaker 11: And then a year on a.

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Speaker 10: High rise dormitory about fifteen stories for MGA partners. If

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we are to believe that fire brought down three buildings

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on the same day on nine to eleven, that's very

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troubling for all of us in the design professions, architects, engineers,

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even physicists. I'm incredulous that this could have happened and

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very troubled by the implications of this possibility. There are

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thousands of high rise buildings in the United States and

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more being built every day in this country and abroad.

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As architects and engineers, we have a responsibility to protect

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people that are our users of buildings.

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Speaker 5: The New World Trade Center Building seven looms above the

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site of its original Building seven was a forty seven

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story high rise not hit by an airplane, yet it

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was the third modern steel framed skyscraper to collapse rapidly

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and symmetrically on nine to eleven. It was a football

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field away from the North tower and sustained minor damage

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from the falling debris Building sevens, but this collapse was

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blamed on normal office fires.

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Speaker 12: I'm commalobate. I have a messa's degree in Civil and

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structural engineering, from the University of California at Berkeley. I've

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been a practicing engineer for the last thirty years. Building seven,

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to me is really what gives it away, because that's

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a classic case of control demolition.

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Speaker 13: My name is Stephen Dustowal. I'm a licensed professional structural

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engineer with thirty seven years of experience in the structural field.

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I have twenty five years of experience as owner and

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principle of my own structural engineering firm here in Las Vegas.

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I have focused on nuclear power plant design, large commercial

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and industrial buildings. I first became aware of the problems

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with the official account of the collapse when I saw

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a DVD online from What Texan Engineers Final eleven Truth.

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They pointed out various problems with their official story and

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the ones that caught my attention or the rapid failure

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of the connections in order for the building to come

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down at the rate.

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Speaker 9: That it did.

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Speaker 14: My name is Casey Pfeiffer. I am a registered professional

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structural engineer in San Diego, California. I have a Bachelor

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of Science degree in Civil engineering at the University of

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Notre Dame. I have been practicing engineering for fifteen years

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and currently I am the principal of Pacific Coast Structural

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Engineering in San Diego, California. A friend of mine gave

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me a blueprint for nine to Elemon Truth DVD to review,

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and from that the evidence that I saw was so

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compelling that I it became obvious that the official story

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was not correct.

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Speaker 15: I'm William Brice. I worked for one of the nation's

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largest design build construction firms on commercial and industrial and

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institutional projects in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore areas.

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As a professor, taught engineering, materials, structure's lab, and other

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building related courses at Vermont Technical College to architectural engineering

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students for twenty years. I watched Building seven fall at

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an accelerating rate in six and a half seconds. This

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was a massive, forty seven story structure. The only way

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that a building can accelerate as it collapses is by

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having pre engineered, precisely timed, and precisely placed explosives, in

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other words, controlled demolition.

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Speaker 16: My name is David Opete. I have a Master's of

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Science degree in civil engineering. I am a licensed structural engineer.

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I design new structures and retrofit existing structures from concrete

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or masonry or structural steel. In my professional opinion and

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my experience, for World Trade Center seven and two collapse

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straight down upon itself as a video in the case,

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as everything that we've witnessed, the supports at the center,

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essentially all had to be taken out at once. I

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certainly believe that it had to have been controlled demolition,

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control charges, explosives, something of that type, because it was

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a sudden failure.

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Speaker 17: I'm doctor Bob Bowman, Lieutenant colonel, United States Air Force

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retired flew one hundred and one combat missions in Vietnam,

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directed all the Star Wars programs under President's Ford and Carter.

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Belgium in finite element analysis. I taught at five universities

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and colleges, serving as department head and assistant dean. The

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that Building seven had collapsed later that day, and what

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the fact that it looks like a perfect controlled demolition

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of an intact building with no visible fires, I mean,

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that's what I call a smoking gun.

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Speaker 7: My name is Robert McCoy. I'm an architect, a Bachelor

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of Architecture from the University of California in Berkeley in

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nineteen sixty three, been licensed in California since about nineteen

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sixty four. From about nineteen sixty five until about nineteen

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eighty five, my most might experience has been in a

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high rise, multi story steel buildings. This would have us

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to believe that these were was a typical office fires,

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scattered office fires, if you will, that brought this building down.

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Since the mid sixties, I've tried to follow high rise

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fires because they're something we've worry a lot about as

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we designed these buildings, and I'm not aware of any

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high rise building that have come down as a result

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of fires. I can't remember even a partial collapse in

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any of these buildings that I've watched over the years.

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Speaker 18: I'm Steve Barrish, a founder and president of Barish Architects

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and Associates, Inc. A thirty three year old architecture, planning,

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and engineering firm. We have offices in San Luis Obispo

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and Pasadena, California. I hold a Bachelor of Architecture degree

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from the University of Arizona and a Master of Architecture

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and have been designed from Rice University in Houston, Texas.

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Spent three years in London as the first PhD student

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at the Architectural Association. One of the things that really

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interested me is how quickly the Tower seven fell. It

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fell within seven seconds approximately from top to bottom. This

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building was built in the mid eighties apparently, and met

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all the known codes at the time. Buildings just don't

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behave like that.

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Speaker 5: We're here in Sydney with Jan Utsen, son of the

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grave Jorn Utsen, who designed.

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Speaker 19: The Sydney Opera House.

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Speaker 5: What are the features of the collapse of World Trade

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Speaker 9: It looked like it was a demolition more than anything else.

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Speaker 19: My name is Les Young. I'm a licensed architect in

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both New York State and in California. I've been involved

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in many large projects, including overseeing several high rise buildings

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ranging in size from fourteen stories to forty over the

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course of twenty years. I'm mainly called in to help

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with very large, difficult projects. When I watched Building seven collapse,

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it basically left no doubt in my mind that something

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was wrong. Building seven had not been hit by a plane.

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To me, it was obvious that there was some controlled

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demolition and some explosions involved.

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Speaker 5: Was the structural steel from World Trade Center seven preserved, documented,

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analyzed according to standard procedures for investigating engineering failures.

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Speaker 20: It was really clear from the beginning that there was

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this great move to as quickly as possible, get rid

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of all of the rubble and move it off.

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Speaker 21: Because what they did immediately after nine to eleven was

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they started removing the steel that the debris from Tower

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seven and all the towers. Immediately they sent it off

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to China to be recycled.

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Speaker 10: Four hundred truckloads per day of material were taken away

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from the World Trade Center site and sent to China

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for recycling.

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Speaker 22: All of a sudden, they had a big incentive to

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a recycled steel for some reason.

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Speaker 23: Quickly and rapidly they were destroying the structural steel.

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Speaker 22: The steel was hauled away and melted down before it

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could be analyzed.

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Speaker 23: It was already being carted away and destroyed. When the

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FEMA investigators got there about a month after September eleventh.

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Speaker 20: It was being melted down. It was being cut up

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into pieces so that no real thorough investigation could happen,

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and that's that in itself is a crime, and that

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kind of thing needs to be investigated.

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Speaker 23: If the steel was picked up and carted away before

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anybody got a good look at it, and the destruction

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of evidence was a criminal act in itself, it would

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have answered a lot of questions that we can't answer

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because we don't have the structural steel to examine.

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Speaker 24: There were laws violated in the destruction of that evidence,

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and for the American Society Civil Engineers to ignore those

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events is extremely disturbing and is a violation, in my opinion,

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of their professional code of ethics.

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Speaker 22: It was contrary to the way all investigations are done.

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If an airplane crashes, they see it off the entire

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area and nobody touches anything. They move it to a

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secure location and they reconstruct an aircraft.

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Speaker 3: Normally, when you have a structural failure, you carefully go

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through the debris field looking at each item, photographing every

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beam as it collapsed and every column where it is

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in the ground, and you pick them up very carefully

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and you look at each element. We were unable to

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do that in the case of Tower seven.

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Speaker 25: Aside from this one small piece that was found to

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have in a granule mounting. Incredibly, none of the steel,

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none of the other steel from World Trade Center seven,

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was saved for analysis.

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Speaker 9: This is disconcerting.

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Speaker 25: Considering World Trade Center seven would have been the first

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steel framed high rise building in history through a stensibly

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collapse through the fire.

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Speaker 26: See, the government has destroyed much of the evidence, but

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there's still some evidents available in photographs of the evidence.

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Speaker 27: My name is Lynn Marglus. I've been doing science every

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day since I was about sixteen years old. I teach

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at the University of Massachusetts. I have a PhD in genetics.

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I reconstruct the past natural history from clues taken to

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be representational, and that's exactly what we're doing with reconstructing

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of why the buildings were destroyed in nine to eleven.

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In the historical science, that's what must be done. In

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nineteen ninety nine, I was a recipient of the President's

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Medal of Science from Clinton and I received the Da

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Vinci Award, that is the membership in the Da Vinci Society.

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You can't do science when you are deprived of the

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evidence and when your hypothesis is the least valid instead

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of the most likely, when the most likely hypothesis in

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the case of Building seven wasn't even mentioned. This is

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not science, so the claim is that it's something else.

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It's trying to prove preconceived ideas.

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Speaker 5: Was a proper investigation performed that might have revealed the

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use of acceleerate or explosives in Waltroit Center seven's destruction.

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Speaker 28: My name is Stephen Jones, a physicist. I received my

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PhD in physics from Vanderbilt University in nineteen seventy eight,

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so I've been at this for over thirty years, studying

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various subjects.

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Speaker 9: I have published over.

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Speaker 28: Fifty peer reviewed papers in my career. NIST concedes that

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they found no evidence for explosives, So then we asked them,

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well did you look, and they said no, we did

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not look for explosives or residues of explosives.

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Speaker 23: I'm Ron Brookman, licensed structural engineer in California, and I

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received my master's degree in structural engineering from University of California,

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Davis in nineteen eighty six. I've been practicing structural engineering

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ever since then. NIST never did a proper evaluation of

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the collapse site and the debris World Trade Center seven.

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I would have expected they would have tested for explosives

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also because of the nature of the collapse and the

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unprecedented nature of steel framed high rise building collapsing in

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such a fashion.

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Speaker 24: My name is Roland Agel. I'm a civil engineer registered

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in the state of California. I've been practicing in California

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since nineteen sixty seven. I'm a graduate of the University

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of California, and my practice has included, among other things,

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design and testing of structures that were designed to withstand blasts, specifically,

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for instance, the lodge facilities for the mint Man missile system.

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I was a Greenberry for six years during the sixties.

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I was trained in the use of demolitions blew a

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lot of things up. One of the things that we

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did was go out and attack structures, analyze them as

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to where their weak points were, learn how to place

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explosives at points that would cause them to fail, and

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then actually demolish them and analyze our results. So the

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method of how to attack a structure and cause it

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to fail with explosives was one of the things that

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I learned through my military training.

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Speaker 20: Well.

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Speaker 24: The American Society of Civil Engineers was brought into this

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investigation early on. They did a very superficial investigation of

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the site. They issued a report without any significant forensic examination,

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and there were laws violated in the destruction of that evidence,

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and for the American Society of Civil Engineers to ignore

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those events is extremely disturbing and is a violation, in

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my opinion, of their professional code of ethics.

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Speaker 9: I'm Tunny's EMBODI.

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Speaker 25: I'm a mechanical engineer from the Philadelphia area with over

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twenty years of experience in the airspace industry where I

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design structures for aircraft and spacecraft and support equipment. Either

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this or FEMA followed standard protocol for fire and explosion investigations,

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or just fire investigations for that matter. National Fire Protection

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Association GOD number nine twenty one calls for saving the

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evidence and being prepared to justify why you wouldn't. It

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also calls for testing for accelerants and explosives when high

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order damage is evolved.

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Speaker 9: This did not do this.

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Speaker 25: This is often responsible for generating information which the NFPA

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guides are written from. It makes one wonder why the

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NFPA standard would not be followed in this case. This

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does not answer this question publicly.

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Speaker 21: There's national standards that need to be followed. And when

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I started looking into that, I went into the investigation manual.

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And so it's called the NFPA nine to twenty one,

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and it's the Fire and Explosion it's the guide for

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Fire and Explosions investigations. And so what it is, it's

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a national standard. So if an investigator from New York

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has to come out to the West Coast to help

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with something, they can fit right in, seamlessly into the

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system and know where what the role is and what

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they need to be doing. And so I went and

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I got the manual from two thousand and one, and

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I went back and I looked at the footage from

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the original days in t Lonon. There were all kinds

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of firefighters and civilians that were reporting explosions.

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Speaker 29: Okay, all right, we'll call you if you want to

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call you.

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Speaker 30: I want you if your fil and it coming down.

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Speaker 21: Just the fact that there were explosions means they need

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to be investigated. Terrorists used explosives in ninety three. We

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had witnesses to explosions, we have audio reporting on explosions.

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We have overwhelming evidence that there were some explosive events.

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The manual gets into thermite and if it says if

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you have melted steel or concrete, which we had on

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nine to eleven, and there's videos of it, people can

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see it, we should test for it. It says when

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you have melted steel or concrete, you test for thermite.

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So the fact that they're not testing for it is crazy.

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We had three thousand, you know, Americans murdered, and we

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had the first three high rise and steel collapses. We

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have all these reports of explosions, we have the vans

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pulled over, we have the history of terrorists using explosives.

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It's absolutely ridiculous that, I mean, there's no excuse for it.

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It's criminal, in my opinion, it's absolutely criminal that they

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refuse to follow the national standards, and the national standards

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say that they should be testing that for explosives. One

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of the other big issues we have the firefighters that

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are members of the firefighters in eleven truth is that

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just the blatant destruction of evidence. It's it's we're not

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talking about a little bit of evidence. They destroyed all

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the steel, all the basically the bones of the building

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that would have told us how this first high rise

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steel structure in history that hadn't been struck by an airplane.

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All it had was a few fires on several floors

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and it only been burning for a few hours. We've

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had other high rises burn much longer. This was the

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way we could have learned from this was analyzing that,

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looking at the steel and seeing how this collapsed and

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how it failed and which steel members did what. Well,

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we can't do that because what they did immediately after

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nine to eleven was they started removing the steel the

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debris from Tower seven and all the towers immediately. Why

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were they destroying this? I mean they sent it off

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to China to be recycled, so they never had any

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physical evidence to do the investigation. The national standards are

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very clear. We have preservation of evidence, we have spoilation

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of evidence. There's all kinds of basically standards that you

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don't destroy evidence. So that's what we're calling for. We're

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calling for an investigation into the investigators why they destroyed this.

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We're calling for a reinvestigation that follows national standards. And

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the big thing is everybody says this is in the past,

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leave it in the past, and that's not true. We

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have ground zero workers dying today, they're getting cancers and

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several don't have medical insurance then, and why most of

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them are being taken care of by the department. But

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there were so many thousands of volunteers and members of

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other departments that showed up and they were there for

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months afterwards, and they don't have the medical coverage, they

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can't make their house payments. They're sick and dying, and

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we as a country are ignoring them. I mean, we've

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promised we'd never forget, but it looks to me like

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most people have forgotten and they want us to forget.

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And that's what we're here for, is to basically just

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ask people to take another look into this, you know,

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show some compassion and let's help you know, our brothers

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and sisters out and really reinvestigate nine to eleven. I mean,

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we have it's changed our world. It's you know, not

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to mention that there were three hundred and forty three

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brothers murdered. But we're at war over this. We've lost

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a lot of our freedoms over this, and we don't

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have the real story on what happened because there wasn't

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a proper investigation done, as.

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Speaker 5: Reported by the New York Times engineers were baffled by

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the collapse of Building seven. Since no steel frame high

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rise has ever completely collapsed due to fire, how are

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we to understand this mysterious event.

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Speaker 26: My name is Scott Granger. I'm a licensed fire protection engineer.

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I'm licensed in thirteen states. I've been in private practice

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for twenty five years. I've been a practicing engineer for

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thirty nine years. Fifty percent of my practice is in

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forensic engineering. Steel structural frame buildings, high rise buildings simply

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do not collapse.

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Speaker 11: Due to fire.

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Speaker 26: There has never been, until nine to eleven, an experience

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for a high rise building that was steel frame completely collapsed.

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There have been fires burned longer in similar structures without

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any collapse.

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Speaker 19: In my previous career as a firefighter, normally you'd never

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be afraid to go into a Type one building because

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they're not combustible, and you would just charge at it

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and put the fire out. Never in my training where

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we ever taught that these type of buildings could just

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collapse in on themselves. There's definitely much more going on

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than just fire.

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Speaker 31: The way in which steel framed buildings behave in fires

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depends on their construction. In this test done by British

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Steel in nineteen ninety five, a large amount of typical

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office furniture was burned to see what would happen to

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the heavy steel beams that supported the ceiling.

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Speaker 3: When steel is bare, when it heats up, it gets weaker.

482
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It's not that it melts in a fire. In fact,

483
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the normal fires are not hot enough to melt steel.

484
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Even if you were, for example, to use an unusual

485
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fuel like kerosene, you cannot achieve temperatures hot enough to

486
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melt steel. But what happens is it starts to lose

487
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its strength, and as it loses its strength, it starts

488
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to sag. It becomes softer and SAgs it can no

489
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longer support below.

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Speaker 31: This was the largest test of its kind ever conducted.

491
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It showed how unprotected steel can be distorted even by

492
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a normal office fire. But as is typical in steel buildings,

493
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the structural beams only slowly and progressively warped and sagged.

494
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There was no chance of a sudden collapse.

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Speaker 3: In over twenty years, I have not seen until recently

496
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a protected steel structure that has collapsed.

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Speaker 9: In a fire.

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Speaker 10: The World Trade Center seven building reminds me of the

499
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Meridian Bank Building in some ways. In Philadelphia, the Meridian

500
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Bank Building is a thirty eight story skyscraper that burned

501
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for eighteen hours in nineteen nine. Suffered extensive damage from

502
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the fire, but did not collapse.

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Speaker 20: I am Dan Barnumia, a graduate architect from Rice University

504
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with a Bachelor of Architecture degree. For the forty plus

505
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years that I've been practicing architecture, I've designed a variety

506
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of buildings, from small houses to high rise office buildings.

507
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Some of the high rises that I've worked on are

508
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one shell and two shell here in Houston, and I

509
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,400
was project manager for a twenty two story office building

510
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,480
in Akron, Ohio. I'm a fellow of the American Institute

511
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:39,280
of Architects. I've designed high rise buildings, and I know

512
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what they do in fires because I've studied that. Later

513
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in the day when World Trade Center seven collapsed, they

514
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had already showed us pictures of a few fires in

515
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that building. And I mean, they weren't even raging, And

516
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how could that cause a building to collapse? As if

517
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it were employe couldn't happen.

518
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Speaker 2: My name is Jonathan Smullen's pe. I'm a professional structural

519
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,679
engineer in the Boulder, Denver area for the past twelve years,

520
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,960
and one of my specialties is forensic engineering, including evaluation

521
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:18,280
of structures post disaster. What happened to those columns to

522
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,400
all collapse at the same time. The explanation provided does

523
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,960
not match the evidence.

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Speaker 9: That we have.

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Speaker 32: My name is Michael Donnelly PE. I'm a structural engineer

526
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:32,519
with fourteen years of experience. I get involved mostly with

527
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:36,239
the design of steel framed fireproof buildings. We've never had

528
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,079
a steel framed skyscraper collapse in the United States or internationally,

529
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so there's no precedent. I don't think Building seven could

530
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,920
have collapsed by fire, as NIST tells us that this

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collapse mechanism starting with thermal expansion that worked its way

532
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,760
upward and outward through.

533
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Speaker 33: The building in a matter of seconds.

534
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Speaker 32: There's not enough time for the building to collapse the

535
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way that NIST tells us that collapsed.

536
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:08,519
Speaker 22: I'm ed MUNAC licensed fire protection engineer for the at

537
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:12,239
least twenty five years, and I worked for a number

538
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:22,199
of organizations, city, federal, large insurance companies, consultant, always in

539
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,559
the area of fire safety and with the goal of

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00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,760
keeping the public safe and the first responders safe. I

541
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became fascinated with the government's version of the events on

542
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,280
nine to eleven because this is totally contrary to everything

543
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,719
that I've ever experienced, either working in the field of

544
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,960
fire safety or knowing what I know about the mechanical engineering.

545
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:56,760
It defies many fundamentals of mechanics and materials and physics,

546
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and just many fundamental engineering chips.

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Speaker 25: World Trade Center seven mis claims the fires were very large,

548
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:10,119
very hot, and long lasting, when in reality, observation which

549
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,719
has been research by many people shows these fires that

550
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,599
did not last very long. They were not, and then

551
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:20,800
locations were missed claims they were at given times.

552
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Speaker 5: According to lead investigator Sean Sunder of the National Institute

553
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:38,960
for Standards and Technology nissed, World Trade Center seven collapsed

554
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,320
at free fall acceleration for more than one hundred feet

555
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,800
of its fall. What does the speed of the collapse

556
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reveal to us?

557
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Speaker 16: Essentially in less than seven seconds, Tower seven came down

558
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upon it.

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Speaker 24: So Building seven, they missed reports admits, fell at the

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rate of gravity for the first one hundred feet. Well,

561
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that's impossible unless there's nothing resisting it.

562
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Speaker 30: It's just like taking your car keys out and just

563
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dropping them. That's how fast the building came down for

564
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over one hundred feet, which and the only way you

565
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:18,559
can get that is when there's zero resistance. And so

566
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what we're looking at is a building just coming straight down,

567
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falling right through itself with zero resistance. Buildings don't have

568
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zero resistance, which is why you feel comfortable walking into

569
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a building.

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Speaker 2: A building cannot do freefall with a huge structural steel

571
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structural system in place to support it without it being

572
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,800
blown up. That's the only way it could come down

573
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at free fall.

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Speaker 13: The failure of all these connections as the primary means

575
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of structural failure is inconsistent with a natural gravitational collapse

576
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and in the case the presence of other agents which

577
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would dismember these connections.

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Speaker 30: I'm David Chandler. I have a bachelor's degree in physics

579
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from Harvey Mudd College and a Masters in education from

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Claremont Graduate University and another masters in mathematics from California

581
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Polytechnic University. I've been teaching for over thirty years. I'd

582
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heard people say, well, it came down at freefall or

583
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close to free fall and so forth, so I decided

584
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to measure it myself. I have a tool that I

585
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use in teaching which allowed me to take a video

586
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and put a dot on each frame to follow the

587
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,199
motion of things, and so you can make sure speeds

588
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and accelerations and it will do the analysis. One of

589
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the fundamental laws of nature is the conservation of energy.

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In order for it to be falling down with zero resistance,

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it means that resistance had to have been removed by

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something else.

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Speaker 23: And this claims that the columns were buckling in the

594
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first several seconds before the free fall occurred. Now, I

595
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don't see how that's possible.

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Speaker 30: And in the final report they modified it, they tried

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to doctor it up. It still tried to say that

598
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it was essentially correct, but then they modified it and

599
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they actually admitted there was a period of free fall involved,

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but they never changed their model, Like, how do you

601
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all of a sudden allow for free fall when they

602
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,000
just got done explaining how it couldn't have been in

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free fall. If I were a scientists, I'd be endarrassed

604
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to try to put forward something like that. It was

605
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clearly a fraudulent argument.

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Speaker 24: In other words, this is telling us that the building

607
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below it ceased to exist for the first few seconds

608
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of the collapse of the building. Well, things and physics

609
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just don't cease to exist and cease to resist the forces.

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Speaker 23: That are on them, free falling for eight stories, So

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we know that happened.

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Speaker 9: Okay, it's been measured and it's on videos. Everyone can see.

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Speaker 23: It has admitted it free went into free fall for

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eight stories.

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Speaker 9: That it bothers.

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Speaker 23: Some part of the puzzle becauseness never explained.

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Speaker 13: It absolutely no resistance to the scent whatsoever.

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Speaker 24: The building didn't disappear. So the building can fall for

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one hundred feet at free fall speed. That's impossible. That's

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a violation of the fundamental law of physics that says

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that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.

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So that evidence alone would indicate that the official story

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doesn't hold water.

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Speaker 13: There was no time for this elastic defamation and plastic defamation,

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which would have absorbed energy and decrease the descent to

626
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less than free fall speed. As energy is drained away

627
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from the system to deform those members, it would slow

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down the descending mass and cause a descent at less.

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Speaker 9: Than free fall speed.

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Speaker 2: Forty thousand tons of structural steel in its structural system,

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and that is intended to keep it from going anywhere.

632
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,039
A building cannot do free fall with a huge structural

633
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steel structural system in place to support it.

634
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Speaker 7: There's no resistance until the building gets down, maybe halfway.

635
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Speaker 18: Buildings tend to be delayed as they collapse. They don't

636
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just pancake down like this in a very short period

637
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of time.

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Speaker 34: But the pancake theory works. It's going to hit hesitation,

639
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and there was no hesitation.

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Speaker 23: Going from motionless to free fall instantly.

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Speaker 25: One continuous motion, there couldn't have been any structural resistance.

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Speaker 18: Buildings just don't behave like that. If floras fall, they

643
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tend to fall and are braced by the floor directly

644
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beneath it, and there's some delay there.

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Speaker 13: This is inconsistent with the energy redistribution that would be

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required from the descending mass to the remaining structure.

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Speaker 25: Completely impossible, and this themselves have to recognize the implications

648
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of this.

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Speaker 9: The fact that they have is fraudulent.

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Speaker 13: The connections are designed with a safety factor of one

651
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point five to three times the failure load for the member,

652
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so this assures that the member will always fail first

653
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:18,039
first in an elastic mode and then a plastic mode.

654
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Speaker 23: Ideally, the member would fail before the connection. You don't

655
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want the connections to fail first.

656
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Speaker 13: The connections failed first without any of the members exhibiting

657
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large deformations or deflections. Over four hundred connections per second

658
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:40,480
had to fail in order for them for the members

659
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to be released, and for the structure to descend at

660
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almost free.

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Speaker 35: Fall rate to fail at the rate that they did.

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Speaker 14: Progressively across the building.

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Speaker 35: Even if a floor were to collapse, it still wouldn't

664
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be able to collapse all of the connections simultaneously at

665
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the rate that it did without secondary explosion.

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Speaker 9: There's no hesitation.

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Speaker 34: There was no hesitation when it was to hit the

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story after story.

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Speaker 14: If you were to look at a standard moment frame

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steel connection, which is a welded connection between the beam

671
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and the column, it would take on the order of

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around five hundred thousand pounds to shear off one connection,

673
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and if you multiply that by four hundred put maybe

674
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a safety factor of four, you would require fifty million

675
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pounds of force per second in order to collapse the

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building the way it was shown. Based on the Nis

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report and what we saw on the video evidence of

678
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the video of the building that day, it's highly unlikely

679
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don't know how that could ever happen without secondary explosions.

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Speaker 9: It's not logical or reasonable.

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Speaker 30: The fact that it's coming down at free fall says

682
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all of the energy is being used to just make

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it go straight down, which means it's coming down through

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itself and not breaking up the building as it goes.

685
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Something else has to be clearing the way, and that

686
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is smoking gun evidence to me. I think that's one

687
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of the primary pieces of evidence that these buildings really

688
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were demolished. They weren't just accidents that happened.

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Speaker 5: We might anticipate that an unevenly damaged building would fall over.

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Yet videos are the collapse of Building seven show a

691
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fairly symmetrical fall.

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Speaker 19: How do we make sense of this?

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Speaker 25: The exterior of the building comes down fully symmetrically, and

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at one time both sides of the building comes down completely.

695
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This is fully indicative of full structural support being removed

696
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for at least six stories.

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Speaker 9: That could not happen by fire.

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Speaker 2: If you know, if there was some fire in one corner,

699
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it would have collapsed maybe in that corner, but not

700
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the total building. Free falling got.

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Speaker 16: That corner's gonna want to topple over.

702
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Speaker 9: But we didn't see that.

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Speaker 16: We saw it come straight down.

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Speaker 32: If the buildings had come down by fire, we would

705
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have seen a more natural progression of collapse. We may

706
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,119
have seen, you know, the buildings actually topple over to

707
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one side, certainly not coming down in its own footprint.

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Speaker 18: And clearly a more asymmetrical pattern should have been present.

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Speaker 36: I'm Kathy mcgrade. I have a bachelor's in metallurgical engineering

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from New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, which I

711
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got in nineteen seventy nine. I then spent the next

712
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thirty years with three startup companies. The symmetry is the

713
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smoking gun. It cannot happen that when you have asymmetric damage,

714
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you will get a perfectly symmetrical collapse.

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Speaker 11: It would not have been a uniform collapse.

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Speaker 26: The building might have partially fallen over, but the building

717
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would not have collapsed as it did that.

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Speaker 11: This doesn't make any logical sense for.

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Speaker 16: It to come down straight down upon itself. You would

720
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need to basically take out the supports at the center

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at the core.

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Speaker 12: The exterior columns on the outside on the outside as

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well as on the inside at the bottom would have

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to be severed almost at the same time.

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Speaker 16: In my professional opinion from my experience for World Trade

726
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Center seven to two collapse straight down upon itself as

727
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video in the case, as everything that we've witnessed, the

728
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supports at the center essentially all had to be taken

729
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on at once.

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Speaker 37: Well, that's another indicator that this report is very suspect,

731
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because I would have expected in a classic implosion, as

732
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I've seen numerous times, is the core to fail. My

733
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name's Tom Sullivan. I worked for Controlled Demolition Incorporated CDI

734
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,679
and the top rated explosives demolition firm in the world.

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As an explosive floader. My job was to place explosives

736
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in the buildings to prepare them for demolition. I was

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licensed while in New York by the New York Fire

738
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Department to handle explosives and I worked on major projects

739
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such as Seattle Kingdome, the Free River Stadium, Philadelphia Naval Hospital,

740
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and keyspand Gas holders in New York. I would expect

741
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the center of the building to start moving first, and

742
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,920
then as the as the implosion progresses, then the size come.

743
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Then the rest of the building is involved. What I

744
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,800
saw was a classic implosion, the center of the core,

745
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,440
the penthouse area starts to move first and then the

746
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building follows along with it.

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Speaker 23: And there were so many columns in the building that

748
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were not affected by either the fires or the impact damage,

749
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and they all came down just dead once. So it's

750
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a little disheartening and it's implausible.

751
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Speaker 7: When it's all finished, the outside walls from the lower

752
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:21,800
floors are piled one on top of the other right

753
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,159
in the middle of the building, just like a house

754
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,559
of cards if it were coming down.

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Speaker 26: Logic tells you that if you have a single failure

756
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at some random point in the building, that the entire

757
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building is not.

758
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Speaker 11: Going to collapse. They collapsed.

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Speaker 26: Would have been a chaotic, random event. The building would

760
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have partially collapsed possibly, but it didn't. There was a

761
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,760
total collapse. And there's very few things that could explain that,

762
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none of which are addressed by the NIST report. According

763
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,079
to NIST, the failure occurred at column seventy nine on

764
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level twelve. This means basically, yes, they're talking about a

765
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single column their collapse or failure that resulted in a

766
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total collapse of the building.

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Speaker 11: That just does not make any sense.

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Speaker 23: As a structural engineer, I don't believe that the failure

769
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of one column would normally bring down an entire building

770
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in the way we saw World Trade Center seven come

771
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:25,760
down because of redundancy, because of all the other columns

772
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,719
in the building that were not affected.

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Speaker 5: This provided computer animations in support of their fire collapse theory.

774
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But what do independent engineers say about these animations.

775
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 12: When you observe the footage of how the building failed,

776
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and when you look at the animation of the failure

777
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and compare that to what you actually observe in reality,

778
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I think they disproved their own theories. It is impossib

779
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for the fail the way they said.

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Speaker 13: I've seen the animation sequence from the National Institute of

781
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Standards and Technology for their model, the mathematical model of

782
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:13,960
the collapse of building number seven, and they have the

783
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inside members that one column gave way, which they claim

784
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,159
resulted in the collapse of all the surrounding members and

785
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then this precipitated a global collapse.

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00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 23: The NIST computer model. Actually, they had done a bunch

787
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:36,480
of finite element models of the connections individual connections, so

788
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:42,559
they had connections failing before the members failed, four part connections.

789
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:45,960
When three of the four parts failed, they considered it

790
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to be all failed.

791
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,679
Speaker 25: The exterior of the NIST World Trade Center seven computer

792
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,480
simulation model which they put together to try to explain

793
00:51:55,519 --> 00:52:01,000
their theory. So's large, very large deformations are not observed

794
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,840
in the video of the actual event. If they don't

795
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,599
attempt to explain this in the report on why their

796
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,159
model doesn't represent a replicate reality. What's actually happening with

797
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the this computer model. It's behaving like a natural collapse

798
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,199
would it would be deforming the exterior of the building

799
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:23,639
if the whole interior was collapsing prior to the exterior.

800
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,800
What we're seeing is what would happen in natural collapse,

801
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,360
and what we saw, what we see on the real

802
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,320
video is not a natural collapse.

803
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 13: So I think that then model is flawed. Of course,

804
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,119
they won't release all of their parameters that they used

805
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:46,519
to model the collapse, and that is a primary problem

806
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:47,239
for them.

807
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 25: This is also repeatedly refused to release computer input data

808
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:57,199
that was requested through the Freedom of Information Act from

809
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,119
them in the past. Concerning will trates under one two

810
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,280
hand seven, what do.

811
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,639
Speaker 5: These professionals conclude about the destruction of World Trade Center

812
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:09,599
Building seven.

813
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 13: There had to be some agent that was destroying the

814
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connections and building number seven at four hundred connections per second,

815
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,920
and the only thing that I can see that would

816
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,280
be capable of doing this would be explosive devices at

817
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:31,800
the connections. And this is why I think that there

818
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,519
has to be a new investigation to find out the

819
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:38,159
real physical causes for these all these members to act

820
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:40,159
in an atypical fashion.

821
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:42,519
Speaker 16: And I certainly believe that it had to have been

822
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,320
controlled demolition, control charges, explosives, something of that type, because

823
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,239
it was a sudden failure controlled demolition.

824
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,519
Speaker 38: There's no way that fire did what they said it

825
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:54,360
did to that build.

826
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 9: It impossible, couldn't happen.

827
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 38: It just did not make sense that a building that

828
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:04,280
had a few minor fires in it could possibly.

829
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 9: Circum the way it did.

830
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:10,119
Speaker 38: If there was damage, it would have been minor. There

831
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:12,199
might have been some deflection of a beam or two

832
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,119
here or there, but not a total and unequivoable complete collapse.

833
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,320
It just doesn't ring true.

834
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 20: A few fires in that building, and I mean they

835
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,159
weren't even raging, and how could that cause a building

836
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,599
to collapse as if it were imploded.

837
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 19: Couldn't happen to me, It was obvious that there was

838
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,800
some controlled demolition and some explosions involved.

839
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:40,119
Speaker 34: When I saw Building seven fall, it to me appeared

840
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:43,760
to be controlled demolition because it fell in free fall

841
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,480
manner into itself. It is my opinion, as a former

842
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:52,440
twelve Bravo combat engineer, well trained in the use of explosives,

843
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,960
that this building, all three buildings, were brought down as

844
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a control as a result of controlled demolitions.

845
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 5: This is the original site of the World Trade Center

846
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,880
Twin towers. Construction is now underway where dramatic new facilities

847
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,719
are being erected. Just ten years ago, the planes hit

848
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,280
the towers, cutting through some exterior and interiors supporting structural

849
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,639
steel columns. The fuel from the plane's ignited office fires

850
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:32,519
across several floors. According to the official reports, the structural

851
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:37,119
steel frame was weakened and failed, causing a total progressive

852
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:42,159
collapse of each tower. Does the official explanation make sense?

853
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,840
Was there a comprehensive investigation that examined all of the evidence.

854
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,079
Let's look at the details.

855
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:55,039
Speaker 10: These buildings were designed to take multiple impacts from airliners.

856
00:55:55,519 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 20: I walked into the office and the first words that

857
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,199
I heard was planes just run into the World Trade Center.

858
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,599
And my initial thought was, well, that's okay. It's built

859
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:09,840
to withstand A seven oh seven.

860
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,039
Speaker 39: They stated that the fuel would be dumped into the building,

861
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,840
but the building would still be there, although most of

862
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,480
the fuel blew out the opposite side of the building.

863
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 25: These buildings are built to handle several times the load

864
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,639
above them. Those perimeter columns could handle five times the

865
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,280
load above them, and the core columns could handle three

866
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,199
times a load above them.

867
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 19: The majority of the jet fuel was burnt up instantly

868
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,920
in the big fireball and it was gone. The fires

869
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,119
that were left were office furnishings and carpet and things

870
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,199
like that. A lot of things in these kind of

871
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,760
buildings have to be fire resistant by nature. It's required

872
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,639
by code. So there really isn't a whole lot of

873
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,960
fuel in there to begin with.

874
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 22: The media portrayed these fires as being extremely hard, but

875
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,280
the fires were not that hot in World Trade Center

876
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,920
one and two. If you look at in this owned data,

877
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:13,400
you could see this, and to uh, to use our

878
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,480
own powers of observation, you could tell by seeing these

879
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,599
fires and seeing black smoke come out the windows, that

880
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,280
means that the fires were oxygen starved and it was

881
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,559
incomplete combustion, and so it was a low temperature fire.

882
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:32,719
Speaker 9: I am Robert Podolski.

883
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,599
Speaker 40: I have a degree master's degree in theoretical physics from

884
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:43,000
Xavier University in Cincinnati. I worked for ten years as

885
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:51,000
a professional physicist engineer systems analyst for government and for

886
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:58,760
industry companies like Avco, ge Bendix, and also Air Force

887
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:05,039
Avionics Lab and the Coastguard Electronics Division. I looked up

888
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:11,039
in a manual the burning temperature of jet fuel and

889
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:14,760
found that under the conditions that existed at the World

890
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,239
Trade Center on nine to eleven, that jet fuel had

891
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,760
to have been burning at about seven hundred and fifty

892
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,920
degrees fahrenheit.

893
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,199
Speaker 33: I also.

894
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,639
Speaker 40: Noticed that the official explanation of what happened there was

895
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,719
that the heat from the fire supposedly softened the steel

896
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:40,000
and thereby brought the buildings down. If you have a

897
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:43,360
flame at seven hundred and fifty degrees, you can hold

898
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,320
that flame under a steel beam forever and you'll never

899
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,840
reach a high enough temperature to bend steel, let alone melted.

900
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,559
So immediately I knew at that point that the official

901
00:58:56,679 --> 00:59:01,920
explanation was dead wrong. There was no way those flames

902
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:05,800
could have possibly brought about the collapse of the building.

903
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:10,159
Speaker 38: It did not seem possible that these towers that were

904
00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:13,320
designed to withstand the impact of a seven oh seven

905
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:17,239
could possibly collapse in such a short order of time

906
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:19,719
from the time that they were hit. There's no way

907
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,519
the building was designed to take the impact of one,

908
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:27,000
if not more, multiple airplanes. They were designed to withstand

909
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,039
hurricane force winds of up to one hundred and forty

910
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:30,679
miles an hour.

911
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 34: My first reaction was that looks like controlled demolitions. However,

912
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,039
I believe the official story because it was played to me.

913
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:39,039
Speaker 9: Over and over again.

914
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:42,559
Speaker 34: I heard repeated experts telling me that this was terrorists

915
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:44,760
that did this, and that it was planes that brought

916
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,840
those buildings down, so I accepted the official story.

917
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 9: The nest.

918
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:55,119
Speaker 25: Testing of the twenty hour floors seways done at Underwriters laboratories.

919
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,719
This was done per ASTM E one nineteen two thousand

920
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,519
degree fire tests. We're going to test the Main trust

921
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:06,840
Is sagged approximately four inches after sixty minutes and six

922
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:07,400
inches at.

923
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:08,159
Speaker 9: There one hundred minutes.

924
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,079
Speaker 25: Yet this had the Main trust Is sagging well over

925
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:12,360
forty inches in their models.

926
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 5: Rather than a slow growing collapse that we might anticipate,

927
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:33,960
the twin towers show in the videos a very rapid,

928
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,079
sudden onset of destruction.

929
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:38,079
Speaker 31: What does this imply?

930
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,079
Speaker 41: I'm Frank going in. I'm practicing civil engineer in the

931
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:44,840
state of California. I have a Bachelor of Science from

932
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,800
Chico State, which I received in nineteen eighty eight. I've

933
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,119
been a licensed civil engineer since nineteen ninety three. I

934
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:56,239
specialized in bridge construction, pertaining one construction, small building construction,

935
01:00:56,679 --> 01:01:00,440
bridge demolition, and I have experienced in bridge design buildings.

936
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,519
Own structural steal is required by building and design codes

937
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:10,159
to prevent catastrophic failure and lost of public life. Everybody's

938
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,559
seeing the building collapses on nine to eleven, and it

939
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:15,280
was shocking how fast the buildings collapsed.

940
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:18,719
Speaker 20: The way the buildings fell was not indicative of the

941
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,480
way a building that's in distress collapses.

942
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 15: This doesn't happen with structural steel buildings and never has

943
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,320
and never will again.

944
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,079
Speaker 9: We assume that fires could destroy a building.

945
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:34,599
Speaker 15: Why people select steel buildings is because they would destroy slowly.

946
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,280
It would gradually twist and bend and give people plenty

947
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,360
of time and safety in getting out of the building.

948
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,559
Speaker 13: The basic philosophy of the building codes in the last

949
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:48,079
seventy five to eighty years has been to ensure doctal

950
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,559
failure of the members to provide for the public safety.

951
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:58,039
Under this philosophy, members that are overloaded will deform elastically

952
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:05,480
any elastic range of material with increasingly large defamations and deflections.

953
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:10,239
This gives rise to large defamations that are visible and

954
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,199
apparent to the occupants of the structure. This gives them

955
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,920
time to evacuate the structure.

956
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Speaker 19: I would not have expected the whole building to just

957
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:21,599
give in at once, and I thought it rather odd

958
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:30,400
that they fell almost perfectly in very similar ways. It

959
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,400
seemed odd that lightning would strike twice.

960
01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:37,199
Speaker 14: Upon further review of the videos of the tower's destruction

961
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,800
in the nine to eleven Blueprint for Truth DVD, I

962
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,760
was surprised to see the upper floors of the North tower,

963
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,119
the upper fifteen floors of the North Tower implode prior

964
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:55,039
to any destruction of the tower below, because it would

965
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:58,840
be logical that as a result of the plane crash

966
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:03,519
that the that the upper fifteen floors would start to

967
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,760
damage the floors below, not the floors above.

968
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 15: And it certainly would stay in the damage zone. It

969
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:16,119
would not drop down through eighty thousand ton of insulated,

970
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:21,519
undamaged structural steel and do it in twelve seconds.

971
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 25: I discuss the miss claim that the upper section of

972
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,239
each of the towers crossed the lower section. However, when

973
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,039
you watch video closely, in the case of World Trade

974
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:37,599
Center one, you'll see that the upper section disintegrates itself.

975
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:42,519
Its lower stories are breaking up before it even impacts

976
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,440
the lower section. It appears to be a controlled demoition

977
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:47,840
of its own of the upper section.

978
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:53,559
Speaker 20: The tops of the buildings were basically disintegrated.

979
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 30: The top section pushing on the bottom section. It's going

980
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,079
to meet equal forces as it goes. Both sections are

981
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:05,440
going to be demolished at the same rate. So by

982
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,760
the time you've crushed up fifteen stories below it, the

983
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,559
top fifteen stories are also going to be crushed, and

984
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:15,840
so there's nothing left now to crush the rest of

985
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,599
the building. So there's so many paradoxes here. A little

986
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:23,119
tiny chunk of the building can't possibly fall and crush

987
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:24,840
the entire structure below it.

988
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:29,519
Speaker 25: Well, there's demolitions done in France when shoes what we

989
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:33,159
call the Baronet's technique, where they take out a couple

990
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:35,199
floors worth of columns with hydraulics.

991
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 9: They take the columns out and they let the building.

992
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 25: The epersection building drop two full floors, and when it

993
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:47,239
impacts the lower section there's a very definitive, observable deceleration

994
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:49,199
and velocity loss.

995
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,119
Speaker 30: You're looking for a jowler that this thing, if it

996
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:55,159
actually comes down and hits, you should be able to

997
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:59,199
see the point at which they actually impact, because it

998
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:02,960
would actually slow down the motion of the falling blot,

999
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:03,559
and you.

1000
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 9: Can see in the graph it is not there. In

1001
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,239
the case of the North South it.

1002
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,639
Speaker 30: Never slows down. It accelerates the entire time. And that

1003
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,159
was what was extremely significant. So I published a paper

1004
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:17,440
about that. It's in the Journal of nine to eleven Studies.

1005
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:20,760
And so, if you had the top section acting like

1006
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,920
a pile driver, if in fact it actually hit and

1007
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:29,280
made an impact, it was effectively crushing anything pushing hard

1008
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,760
on this core structure below it. The core structure is

1009
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,280
going to push back equally hard, and that's what's going

1010
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,800
to cause the top section of the building to slow down.

1011
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:44,480
But the fact that it's constantly accelerating downward is evidence

1012
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:48,519
that it didn't slow down. It's not actually hitting and

1013
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:53,280
engaging with the structure below it in any way that

1014
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,679
could demolish it. The top section is not crushing the

1015
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,000
bottom section of the building, or it would meet resistance.

1016
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 9: I am Richard Euman.

1017
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 42: I am a retired professional electrical engineer. I went to

1018
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:15,159
Brooklyn Polytechnic Institute and received the Bachelor of Electrical Engineering

1019
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:21,039
degree in nineteen fifty four. I worked for Joseph Loooring

1020
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:27,559
for forty one years and was principal Chief electrical Engineer

1021
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,840
for the World Traits and A Complex. I was very

1022
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:39,280
familiar with the Twin Towers elevator systems because we took

1023
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:46,159
over conceptual maintenance and improvements of the elevator systems after

1024
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:54,039
the project was completed. I actually read and rolled up

1025
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:57,000
and down elevator shafts on the top of a car.

1026
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,159
Calling twelve hundred feet a minut you could imagine the experience.

1027
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:10,400
I'm very familiar with the interior structure that surrounded the

1028
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:17,159
elevator shafts and the accessibility which the elevator companies had

1029
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:18,400
twenty four to seven.

1030
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:24,039
Speaker 9: The only way that I can see that.

1031
01:07:25,639 --> 01:07:31,599
Speaker 42: The towers could have collapsed is that the interior columns

1032
01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:38,320
were compromised in Tower one. Unless my eyes were deceiving

1033
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:45,519
me before the towers started collapsing from the top. The

1034
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:52,199
antenna started to fall, and the antenna, of course, was

1035
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,840
over the middle of the elevator sheriffs, and of course

1036
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,960
their access to the elevator shriff gave them total access

1037
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:04,639
to the surrounding core columns.

1038
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 9: The interior of the core columns.

1039
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,039
Speaker 33: Missed.

1040
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:22,279
Speaker 5: The National Institute of Standards and Technology acknowledges that the

1041
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:27,119
towers came down at essentially free fall acceleration. What are

1042
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:29,039
the implications of that admission.

1043
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 43: The measurements have indicated that Tower one collapsed in about

1044
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,119
eleven seconds and Tower two collapse in about nine seconds,

1045
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,079
and the argument goes that this is essentially the rate

1046
01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:45,039
at which freefall would happen.

1047
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,359
Speaker 32: I had a friend that asked me if it was

1048
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,000
possible for the twin towers to achieve near free fall

1049
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:54,920
speed when they collapsed.

1050
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:59,399
Speaker 39: The twin towers could not have come straight down through

1051
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:04,560
the thousand tons of structural steel, through the greatest resistance

1052
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,039
to the resistance of eighty thousand tons of structural steel,

1053
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,479
at the speed of a practically free fall.

1054
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:13,319
Speaker 11: That just would not happen.

1055
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 20: There are columns of steel around the exterior of the

1056
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,039
building and within the core, all of which are there

1057
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:24,239
to prevent the thing from falling down, and so if

1058
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,119
even if something falls on it, it's not going to

1059
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:30,359
immediately just go pop pop pop pop pop pop, like

1060
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,279
that floor by floor it's going to if it's going

1061
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,439
to collapse, it's going to have to take some time

1062
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:38,239
to weaken the structure below it.

1063
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,319
Speaker 30: This structure was capable of holding three to five times

1064
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,439
the weight, and here it is falling through it with

1065
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,359
the resistance of only one third of its weight. Roughly

1066
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,520
ninety percent of the resistance has been removed, and what's

1067
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,079
happening is the top section is not crushing down the

1068
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:58,319
lower section like a pile driver, which is the picture

1069
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:04,680
that miss basically it is painting. It's actually falling into

1070
01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:09,520
material that's already been pulverized. It's offering very little resistance.

1071
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:15,920
It's just coming down through pre pulverized material. One of

1072
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,279
the fundamental laws of nature is the conservation of energy.

1073
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:24,399
Speaker 13: There was no time for this elastic defamation and plastic defamation,

1074
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:29,199
which would have absorbed energy and decrease the descent to

1075
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,199
less than free fall speed. As energy is drained away

1076
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:37,279
from the system to deform those members, it would slow

1077
01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:41,600
down the descending mass and cause a descent at less than.

1078
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:42,319
Speaker 9: Free fall speed.

1079
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 24: This is high school physics, and our whole society is

1080
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,560
being led to believe that these fundamental laws of physics

1081
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,479
hard science don't apply anymore.

1082
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 9: I think that should really frighten all of us.

1083
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 13: Over four hundred connections per second had the fail in

1084
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:04,119
order for the members, for the members to be released,

1085
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:08,760
and for the structures to descend at almost free fall rate.

1086
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 41: Structural connections not only had to fail nearly simultaneously.

1087
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:21,239
Speaker 44: What do water The buildings fall at a speed which

1088
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,920
can only occur if the structure has been removed the

1089
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:25,840
vertical structure.

1090
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 30: This block accelerates straight down or as it's picking up

1091
01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:36,399
speed downward continually. It doesn't slow down, it just continues

1092
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:37,800
to gain speed.

1093
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:42,359
Speaker 7: From what I what I understand, the buildings actually accelerated

1094
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:45,399
as they came down, meaning they were not getting resistance

1095
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,680
from these massive columns in the center of the core

1096
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,359
of this building. Core of this building was very heavy.

1097
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:51,800
They're huge columns.

1098
01:11:52,079 --> 01:11:52,359
Speaker 9: Huge.

1099
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:57,399
Speaker 19: I couldnt see how those mass of very thick columns

1100
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,279
could just snap like that. I would have expected them to,

1101
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,039
most of them to stay intact with the floors collapsing

1102
01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:05,680
around them.

1103
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 9: I'm Alfred Lopez.

1104
01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 39: I'm a registered professional structural engineer in the state of

1105
01:12:11,079 --> 01:12:15,800
Michigan and have been in private practice for forty years

1106
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:21,439
with Lopez Engineering. I've worked on several high rise projects

1107
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:28,039
with office buildings above parking decks and high rise apartment

1108
01:12:28,079 --> 01:12:34,439
buildings here in the Detroit area. I've done numerous investigations

1109
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:39,279
of failures of buildings because of fire and.

1110
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:42,079
Speaker 11: Wind damage.

1111
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 39: I was shocked at at how the buildings collapsed, but

1112
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:49,600
expected that they would have come down much slower that

1113
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:54,319
they would have tipped over. That the whole thing did

1114
01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:59,439
not make sense, and ever since then a hard time

1115
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:03,960
believing that the fires did drop those buildings.

1116
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 19: I thought that given the way the planes hit the building,

1117
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,600
one side would have given away first and it just

1118
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:18,239
would have fallen off or fallen over at a steep angle.

1119
01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:20,520
But the way the whole thing just gave way at

1120
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:25,520
once and started to plummet down without slowing down as

1121
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,880
it went down again, just like the controlled demolition.

1122
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 15: Eyewitnessed personally the area below the damage zone where the

1123
01:13:34,079 --> 01:13:38,600
planes flew in and where the fire was. That area

1124
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,359
below that, though eighty or ninety stories eighty thousand tons

1125
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,880
of structural steel, was not damaged in any way, Yet

1126
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,119
you stood there and watched it destroy itself, wiping out,

1127
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:54,840
floor by floor all two hundred and eighty seven structural columns,

1128
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,439
as if they didn't exist underneath the damage shown.

1129
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:14,199
Speaker 5: According to the first responders oral histories which were reported

1130
01:14:14,279 --> 01:14:17,560
in the New York Times, over one hundred first responders

1131
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,680
reported sounds of explosions and flashes of light at the

1132
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:27,800
onset of destruction of both towers. These were not discussed

1133
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:32,479
in the mystery report. What did these eyewitnesses actually.

1134
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 33: See and hear.

1135
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,239
Speaker 2: All the other evidence of seeing flashes and explosions, and

1136
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:43,600
the melted metal and the dust particles, and with the

1137
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:49,039
chemical the explosive chemicals found in the debris. There's just

1138
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:51,199
a lot of questions about what's been going on, and

1139
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,600
that these questions have not been answered or even addressed

1140
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,119
in any sort of full way.

1141
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 44: We have eyewitness testimony of firemen, policemen, news reporters and

1142
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,479
occupants of the building to explosions. An enormous number of

1143
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:05,680
eyewitness testimonies.

1144
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 33: Have you due the explosion inside the lobby?

1145
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,119
Speaker 22: Is that a secondary explosion?

1146
01:15:11,279 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 9: Yes, it was.

1147
01:15:12,119 --> 01:15:15,119
Speaker 15: There were numerous secondary explosions taking place in that building.

1148
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:15,359
Speaker 30: It was.

1149
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 9: There were continuous explosions.

1150
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 45: There was a secondary explosion, probably a device either planted

1151
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,000
before or under.

1152
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,199
Speaker 42: Your correct that did not explode and through a hour later.

1153
01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:27,079
Speaker 46: Then it was our secondary explosions and then the subsequent collapses.

1154
01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 31: It's und like gunfire, you know, by bye bye bye bang.

1155
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 17: And then and then all of a sudden, three big explosions.

1156
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,199
Speaker 14: About fifty consecutive bangs, and it went fell down like a.

1157
01:15:37,239 --> 01:15:40,239
Speaker 32: Waterfall, and we heard the noise associated with an implosion.

1158
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 41: We heard a very loud explosion.

1159
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:45,399
Speaker 12: We heard a loud explosion.

1160
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,079
Speaker 33: At that point, we heard a large boom.

1161
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:49,199
Speaker 23: Do you know if it was an explosion, if it

1162
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:50,279
was a building collapse?

1163
01:15:51,399 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 18: To me, it sounded like to me, it sounded like

1164
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:55,319
an explosion.

1165
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 44: There was another major explosion all of a sudden, you

1166
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,600
hear explosion, and he could see the buildings starting to collapse.

1167
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 31: Huge explosion that we all heard and felt.

1168
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,520
Speaker 47: We could hear a rumble which was about five seconds long,

1169
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,399
preceding the actual collapse, and then a boom when each

1170
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,039
of those towers collapsed a fine to seconds ago, there

1171
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:16,159
was a huge explosion.

1172
01:16:16,199 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 48: And it appears right now the Second World Trade Tower

1173
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,720
has just collapsed.

1174
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 4: If I was about five blocks away when I heard explosions.

1175
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:28,319
Speaker 49: Then you heard from far away boom boom, and you

1176
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:29,319
heard the boom.

1177
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:31,239
Speaker 45: It was just.

1178
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,039
Speaker 33: Plans to take down a built.

1179
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 50: And it just started going pop.

1180
01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:40,520
Speaker 15: But it started with boom boom, boom, boo boom, and

1181
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,199
he goes how.

1182
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 8: Fast they go like firecrackers.

1183
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,079
Speaker 21: One of the one of miss other excuses was that

1184
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:48,000
there were no blast sounds heard by witnesses or recorded.

1185
01:16:48,119 --> 01:16:50,840
There's so many videos of witnesses from that day that

1186
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:54,520
report explosions. There's radio transmissions from the FDN Y. We

1187
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,920
have the transcripts that were recorded, you know back in

1188
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,520
two thousand and one, of all these firefighters and first

1189
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,560
responders reporting explosions, there's no doubt they were heard.

1190
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,399
Speaker 25: In the oral histories of the emergency personnel taken down

1191
01:17:06,399 --> 01:17:08,960
in late two thousand and one and early two thousand

1192
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,520
and two, there are over one hundred individuals who make

1193
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,439
comments about seeing, hearing, and feeling explosions in those buildings.

1194
01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:21,079
These oral histories were documented well before this started their

1195
01:17:21,239 --> 01:17:25,159
World Trade Centers investigation in September.

1196
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:25,520
Speaker 9: Two thousand and two.

1197
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 25: This testimony should have caused the presumption that there was

1198
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:32,439
a good chance explosive resident would be found the justified

1199
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,760
testing for it rather than the opposite.

1200
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Speaker 2: Reviewing the.

1201
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 16: Some of the eyewitness accounts and people hearing what sound

1202
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:47,039
like explosions and things like that, again, it didn't seem

1203
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:54,680
very plausible for any other type of cause for such

1204
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,079
an event.

1205
01:17:55,239 --> 01:17:57,199
Speaker 30: So it doesn't look like a collapse. It's like a

1206
01:17:57,319 --> 01:18:03,920
huge mushrooming, billowing kind of an event. That whole thing

1207
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,359
looks nothing like a building falling down. It's a building

1208
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:12,119
being blown up, and it's being blown up progressively from

1209
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:16,159
the top down. That's what the physics.

1210
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,159
Speaker 25: Shows in this acknowledges in their response to a requests

1211
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:22,840
for correction that they are unable to provide a full

1212
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,119
explanation of the total collapse, Yet they refuse to consider

1213
01:18:27,159 --> 01:18:31,079
the possibility explosives or some other form of demolition device

1214
01:18:31,119 --> 01:18:32,760
could have been used to cause of the collapses of

1215
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:38,199
the towers and the fact that controlled demolition is consistent

1216
01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:42,039
with all the available technical evidence. And the response to

1217
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:45,520
that request for correction is this simply saying they're unable

1218
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,159
to provide a full explanation for the total collapse, even

1219
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:52,199
though that was their task given to them by Congress.

1220
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 30: The core structure of the building had to have been

1221
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,000
destroyed by other means.

1222
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:11,119
Speaker 5: FEMA documents a twelve hundred foot diameter debris field around

1223
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:16,439
each tower. Videos show multi ton steel sections of hundreds

1224
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,239
of individual steel pieces ejecting out of the towers at

1225
01:19:20,319 --> 01:19:23,680
sixty miles an hour for a distance of six hundred feet.

1226
01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:28,720
They also show clouds of debris pulverized in mid air

1227
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:34,239
and isolated explosive ejections as many as sixty stories below

1228
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,119
the so called crush soone videos also show.

1229
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:41,159
Speaker 33: The near total destruction of both towers.

1230
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 5: What does all this tell us about the forces and

1231
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:46,600
energies involved.

1232
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 33: In the destruction.

1233
01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:53,319
Speaker 32: The spread of debris in a large radius around each tower.

1234
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:54,520
Speaker 9: What we see is an.

1235
01:19:54,520 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 32: Outward explosion of material beyond the perimeters of each footprint,

1236
01:20:01,159 --> 01:20:03,720
and this is not expected and it's not congruent with

1237
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,000
the reports of our government.

1238
01:20:05,239 --> 01:20:08,039
Speaker 23: Debris that was shooting out for hundreds of feet in

1239
01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:12,680
all directions seventy miles an hour, leaving the the eightieth

1240
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,720
floor of the North Tower and making a fairly level

1241
01:20:18,039 --> 01:20:21,479
trajectory that to me is fairly alarming.

1242
01:20:22,079 --> 01:20:26,399
Speaker 44: Large multi toon beams were hurled hundreds of yards laterally.

1243
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,119
Gravity works vertically, not laterally.

1244
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:31,239
Speaker 30: The number I got was seventy eight miles an hour.

1245
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:36,199
So something's happening to throw these things horizontally at those

1246
01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:39,279
kinds of speeds, and here it is trailing white smoke

1247
01:20:39,359 --> 01:20:44,760
the whole time. It really is syndicative of some kind

1248
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:45,479
of explosion.

1249
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 34: The individual explosions that I noticed twenty and thirty and

1250
01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:52,960
forty stories below the collapsing structure, those are what we

1251
01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:57,159
demolitions guys call squibs, And that's another characteristic that seems

1252
01:20:57,199 --> 01:20:57,920
to be evident.

1253
01:20:58,319 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 30: Well, in the case of the South Tower, you can

1254
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:05,560
see these jets of black smoke being ejected from many locations,

1255
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,399
on many different floors. Above the level of the impact.

1256
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:11,920
There's a whole bunch of these squibs or puffs that

1257
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,640
are coming out the side of the building. And naysayers

1258
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,159
tend to say, well, that's just air being blown out

1259
01:21:18,199 --> 01:21:21,319
the windows because you have, like an accordion effect, been

1260
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:24,159
being compressed. Well, it's going on at a lot of

1261
01:21:24,199 --> 01:21:26,319
different levels at the same time. It's one thing, and

1262
01:21:27,079 --> 01:21:29,199
if you're compressing it out here, if you're blown out

1263
01:21:29,239 --> 01:21:32,840
the windows down here, how are you getting the air pressure?

1264
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,760
I mean, it doesn't really work to say it's just

1265
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,840
air pressure. Some of these are coming out faster than

1266
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:38,840
a hundred miles an hour.

1267
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:45,079
Speaker 19: The impact of the floors pancaking upon themselves would create

1268
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,239
gushes of air out the side, but not the kind

1269
01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:51,239
of explosive force that we saw. They would throw I

1270
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,279
beams across the street into the windows of other buildings.

1271
01:21:54,840 --> 01:22:00,279
Speaker 34: The exection of the materials out of the building in

1272
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:03,199
which it fell, the speed at which it fell exhibited

1273
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:05,800
all the signs of demolitions, and the completeness of the

1274
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,199
destruction down to their individual elements.

1275
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 19: When the South Tower was destroyed, at first it looked

1276
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,279
like it was going to land in the street or

1277
01:22:14,359 --> 01:22:16,920
take a building out next to it, and then all

1278
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,920
of a sudden it disappears in this huge cloud of smoke,

1279
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,199
which didn't seem to make sense at the time.

1280
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 7: How can those steel columns, the massive steel columns that

1281
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:36,800
they are supporting that way to that building virtually disappear.

1282
01:22:38,199 --> 01:22:42,640
Why aren't they poking up straight out of that rubble

1283
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:43,920
at the bottom of the building.

1284
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:49,239
Speaker 18: As an architect, I would expect to see larger portions

1285
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:53,319
of the building floors, the decking, the steel decking, the

1286
01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:59,960
concrete topping, much larger remnants of what the structural components

1287
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:03,640
of this building was. There were just small fragments of

1288
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:09,760
strewn steel components. There should have been much larger pieces

1289
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:13,199
for examination on the ground. After all, there was one

1290
01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:16,720
hundred and ten floors in each building and each floor

1291
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,840
plate was over an acre in size.

1292
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 19: The fact that it was all reduced to rubble and

1293
01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:25,760
powder just did not make sense at all.

1294
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 44: We have no explanation of how the concrete was pulverized.

1295
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,319
It takes an enormous amount of energy way beyond, but

1296
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:33,600
we have an aviation fuel.

1297
01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 42: There were two substations on the one hundred and eighth floor,

1298
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,680
the seventy fifth floor, and the forty first floor and

1299
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:49,279
the seventh floor. At those eight locations, there were four

1300
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:55,319
transformers in each substation that weighed over thirty thousand pounds.

1301
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:59,319
In the substations on the mechanical floors in each tower.

1302
01:24:00,199 --> 01:24:02,680
Transformers would not explode.

1303
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 9: On their own.

1304
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 42: They were air cool dry type transformers, and yet after

1305
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:14,640
the collapse there was from what was reported, there was

1306
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:19,319
no evidence of them being found at the bottom of

1307
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:20,039
the towers.

1308
01:24:22,119 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 12: I wonder why.

1309
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:27,079
Speaker 42: It was a shame that after the collapse, that a

1310
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:33,119
forensic unit, a forensic engineering unit didn't go into the

1311
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:38,039
debris and try to find at that time why the

1312
01:24:38,199 --> 01:24:43,880
towers had collapsed. I'm sure there was other evidence that

1313
01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:48,560
could have given a better indication at the time that

1314
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,640
there was something else wrong.

1315
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:03,159
Speaker 5: In its report on World Trade Center seven, which came

1316
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:06,399
out in May of two thousand and two, FEMA documents

1317
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,279
in Appendix C steel that has been melted and even

1318
01:25:10,359 --> 01:25:15,359
partially evaporated, resembling Swiss cheese. What are we to make

1319
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:15,720
of this?

1320
01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:18,359
Speaker 33: My name is Jeff Fair.

1321
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,359
Speaker 48: I have a PhD in material science and engineering from

1322
01:25:21,399 --> 01:25:24,199
the University of Minnesota. I have a BA in physics

1323
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:28,920
from Brigham Young University. I've worked with solid state reactions.

1324
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:36,840
I've worked characterizing materials, semiconductor materials, thin films. I currently

1325
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,199
do a lot of work with nanoparticles as well as

1326
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:45,000
solid state reactions. So Jonathan Barnett's study, which I thought

1327
01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:49,279
was very well done and quite extensive, is all documented

1328
01:25:49,359 --> 01:25:52,920
by FEMA in Appendix C in their BPAT report that

1329
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:56,960
was May of two thousand and two. Unfortunately, it was

1330
01:25:57,079 --> 01:25:58,800
never used in the NIST report.

1331
01:25:59,159 --> 01:26:02,359
Speaker 51: My name is Jason Cheshure and I'm a licensed professional

1332
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:06,359
engineer in the Province of Ontario in Canada, and I

1333
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,920
have been working in the field of hydro metallurgy for

1334
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,960
the past ten years for a major company here in Canada.

1335
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:18,760
And I'd like to know why NIST excluded the document

1336
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:25,000
from FEMA and Appendix CE that documented this the evidence

1337
01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:29,640
of melting steel. Well, why is this not included? Why

1338
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,239
is this forensic evidence not being included in the report?

1339
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 15: First of all, let's go back to your basic premise

1340
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,359
that there was a pool of molten steel. I know

1341
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,439
absolutely nobody, even to no eyewitness who said so, nobody

1342
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:43,159
who's produced it.

1343
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:50,239
Speaker 38: You'd get down below and you'd see molten steel, a

1344
01:26:50,279 --> 01:26:53,039
little molten steel running down the channel rails.

1345
01:26:54,279 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 6: Like you're in a foundry, actually melted beams where it

1346
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,760
was molten steel that was being dug out underground.

1347
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,039
Speaker 52: It was still so hot that molten metal dripped on

1348
01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:07,279
the sides of a wall.

1349
01:27:07,239 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 11: And it clean up was very difficult.

1350
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 33: In the beginning, steel was coming out red in certain areas.

1351
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,039
Speaker 23: From the first couple of weeks.

1352
01:27:13,079 --> 01:27:17,319
Speaker 5: It's fused element of steel, molten steel.

1353
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 53: And they pulled off the big block or concrete and

1354
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,239
there was like a little River of Steel Flower.

1355
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 54: My name is Mark Basil. I'm a chemical engineer. I

1356
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,359
have a Bachelor of Science and Chemical Engineering from Worcester

1357
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,880
Polytechnic Institute. I've worked for about twenty five years in

1358
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,840
industry and the majority of what I do is analytical

1359
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,920
work and figuring out what materials are composed of, why

1360
01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:47,279
they are what they are, why they do what they do.

1361
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,880
There were sections of them that clearly showed melting. They

1362
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,000
had sections that were thinned away and there were actually

1363
01:27:54,119 --> 01:27:56,279
holes through them, and some of the ends were just

1364
01:27:56,399 --> 01:28:00,600
melted away or even possibly evaporated away mcgrade.

1365
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,359
Speaker 36: I have a bachelor's in Metallurgical Engineering from New Mexico

1366
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,479
Institute of Mining and Technology, which I got in nineteen

1367
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,520
seventy nine. I then spent the next thirty years with

1368
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:18,680
three startup companies. In an office fire, you cannot generate

1369
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:24,000
enough heat to melt steel, and yet we have evidence

1370
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,920
of molten iron in the microspheres in the rubble pile

1371
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:35,239
and the metal pouring out of the side of the tower.

1372
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:38,279
Speaker 55: We could have filled up the twin towers with jet

1373
01:28:38,359 --> 01:28:40,720
fuel and burned it all up, and that does not

1374
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,000
cause a fire hot enough to melt structural steel.

1375
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 53: My name is Gary Warner. I'm a mechanical engineer. I

1376
01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:54,479
hold a professional certification from the Association British Columbia.

1377
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 9: I worked as.

1378
01:28:57,319 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 53: In the project engineering department of the Casting plant of

1379
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,960
alcan the Aluminum Company of Canada, one of the largest

1380
01:29:05,079 --> 01:29:09,880
aluminum smelters on the planet at the time, and in

1381
01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:16,239
that smelter we turned aluminum oxide into aluminum molten aluminum.

1382
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 9: Molten aluminium is silver. It's not yellow. It's silver. It

1383
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:22,840
looks like mercury.

1384
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:27,239
Speaker 53: The yellow molten metal that I saw pouring out of

1385
01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:34,079
the South Tower is indicative of molten iron. I was

1386
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:38,920
a bit incredulous when I learned that disclaimed that the

1387
01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:44,319
molten metal was aluminium. And it doesn't look at all

1388
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:49,159
like molten aluminum. Looks like iron. Molten iron and what

1389
01:29:49,279 --> 01:29:51,319
it looks like, and I've seen tons of it. We

1390
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:55,319
used to cast this in Elcan. They still cast it.

1391
01:29:56,359 --> 01:29:57,840
I spent two years casting that.

1392
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,279
Speaker 46: I'm David Gregg. I have a master's and PhD in

1393
01:30:02,399 --> 01:30:07,279
chemical engineering from the University of Illinois. Afterwards, I went

1394
01:30:07,359 --> 01:30:10,640
to work for Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, where I worked there

1395
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,960
for more than thirty years. It cannot get a flame

1396
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,840
hot enough to start the metal the molten make it

1397
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,840
molten in the first place, so that this other process

1398
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:20,439
takes off.

1399
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,079
Speaker 30: I don't know of a mech for that.

1400
01:30:22,359 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 46: The only way that's known that a carbonaceous material can

1401
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:32,000
cause steel or iron oxide to turned into a molten

1402
01:30:32,039 --> 01:30:37,560
metal is in a blasphemous and that's very different than.

1403
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:38,039
Speaker 9: What we had.

1404
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:42,399
Speaker 56: An incendiary used by the military. Thermite is a compound

1405
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:46,479
of iron oxide and aluminium, which, when ignited, sustains an

1406
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:52,479
extreme heat reaction, creating molten iron in just two seconds.

1407
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,760
Thermite can reach temperatures over forty five hundred degrees fahrenheit,

1408
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:02,640
quite enough to liquefy steel. We know that open air

1409
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:06,880
fires cannot burn hot enough to melt steel, but metal

1410
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,039
had melted at the base of the towers.

1411
01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:12,159
Speaker 48: The next question is how do you get how do

1412
01:31:12,199 --> 01:31:16,560
you get the sulfur in these pieces of steel or

1413
01:31:17,359 --> 01:31:23,319
in the debris, and that question is is unanswered. There's

1414
01:31:23,359 --> 01:31:28,479
a version of thermite called thermate, which has sulfur in

1415
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,920
the in the thermate to on what the what the

1416
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:36,640
sulfur does is it It's sort of like salt on ice.

1417
01:31:37,119 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 56: Appendix SEA of the FEMA report describes sulfur residues on

1418
01:31:41,039 --> 01:31:45,239
the World Trade Center Steel. The New York Times called

1419
01:31:45,319 --> 01:31:50,039
this the deepest mystery of all Sulfur slightly lowers the

1420
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:53,439
melting point of iron and iron oxide and iron.

1421
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:57,279
Speaker 54: Sulfide, and it just basically makes the steel melt at

1422
01:31:57,279 --> 01:31:59,680
a lower temperature. So instead of having to bring the

1423
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,239
steel up to fifteen hundred centigrade, you can slice through

1424
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:06,560
the material that's at nine hundred or one thousand degrees centigrade.

1425
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,680
And if you do a search on Google for thermite

1426
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,640
and building demolition, you can find all sorts of wonderful

1427
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:16,439
devices that have been fabricated and invented that use thermite

1428
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:17,640
for building demolitions.

1429
01:32:18,039 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 29: Thermide is in the old fashioned thermide is a mixture

1430
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:28,399
of pulverized aluminum and polarized rusts. And if you can

1431
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:32,479
get these this mixture to react, which is not so easy,

1432
01:32:33,359 --> 01:32:37,640
it produces tremendous heat. And this is what you call

1433
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:42,680
an incendiary. An incendiary is something which can be used

1434
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:47,119
to destroy something by the means of heat, while an

1435
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:53,800
explosive is something which reacts s with pressure. It knocks

1436
01:32:54,119 --> 01:33:00,600
things apart. Now, the old fashioned incendiary is not an explosive.

1437
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:06,319
It is still used for military purposes for melting AISO structures.

1438
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:12,119
Speaker 54: Practical applications of thermite involve things such as equipment decommissioning.

1439
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:14,920
In the military, when they have a piece of artillery

1440
01:33:15,039 --> 01:33:17,000
or a tank or something like that that they don't

1441
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,399
want to leave behind to the enemy, they throw what

1442
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,960
are called grenades thermite grenades down the barrel. Let's say,

1443
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:27,960
but thermite does not explode. It simply reacts, produces large

1444
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,119
amounts of heat and molten material.

1445
01:33:30,319 --> 01:33:32,520
Speaker 37: In the case of thermite cutting charges, you would have

1446
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:36,680
heard far less noise since they are worked by thermal

1447
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,159
heating melting of the steel rather than an explosive cutting

1448
01:33:40,359 --> 01:33:41,840
as in RDX charges.

1449
01:33:43,039 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 50: I'm Kim Ireland. I have a degree in chemical engineering

1450
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:51,159
from Clarkson University in nineteen sixty three. After graduating, I

1451
01:33:51,279 --> 01:33:54,359
served two years as a reserve officer in the US

1452
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,079
Army Corps of Engineers, where, among other things, I had

1453
01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:02,800
training in flosives such as C four. I was involved

1454
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,720
in the industrial chemical industry for twenty years with major companies.

1455
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:12,319
There were reports of molten steel having been seen in

1456
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:18,239
the rubble pile of all three buildings, and I knew

1457
01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:25,399
that jet fuel, which is essentially kerosene, is not capable

1458
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:33,199
of melting steel nor iron. Kerosene or jet fuel burns

1459
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,920
at less than sixteen hundred degrees fahrenheit, and molten steel

1460
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,960
needs at least twenty seven hundred degrees fahrenheit in order

1461
01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:44,000
to melt.

1462
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,279
Speaker 51: Thing that most struck me about the nine to eleven

1463
01:34:47,359 --> 01:34:53,000
incident was following the incident, how overflights had detected with

1464
01:34:53,159 --> 01:34:58,239
infrared camera fourteen hundred degree fahrenheit hotspots on the surface

1465
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:05,159
of around zero and that being there for a week,

1466
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,800
you know, indicates that there was something very hot going

1467
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:11,079
on below the surface.

1468
01:35:21,039 --> 01:35:24,319
Speaker 5: Another question that may hunt the New Freedom Tower. According

1469
01:35:24,359 --> 01:35:27,840
to USGS, they found as much as six percent of

1470
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,920
the World Trade Center dust consisted of tiny, previously molten

1471
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:36,039
iron spheres. What does this tell us about the temperatures

1472
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:38,279
generated in the tower's destruction.

1473
01:35:40,199 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 57: My name is Adam Parrott and I have a bachelor's

1474
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:47,640
degree in chemical engineering from Queen's University. I've been working

1475
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:51,159
for an environmental consulting firm for a number of years.

1476
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:56,159
When the USGS collected samples of the World Trade Center dust,

1477
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:01,920
they found the iron microspheres. In the USGS does not

1478
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:07,000
have a valid explanation for the presence of these iron microspheres.

1479
01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:10,520
Speaker 54: But I have independently seen thermtic activity within two separate

1480
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:12,840
independent samples of World Trade Center DUSK.

1481
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 58: I'm Jerry Lobdell. I'm a retired physicist and chemical engineer.

1482
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,880
I have a BS and Chemical engineering from Texas Tech,

1483
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:26,000
and I have extensive coursework in mathematics and physics from

1484
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,439
the University of Texas at Austin. I've had broad experience

1485
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:36,199
in analysis and applied research. Thirty year professional history spanning physics,

1486
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:42,920
chemical engineering, statistical analysis, and modeling and operations research. So

1487
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:48,760
what do the microspheres contain? Iron is the main element,

1488
01:36:49,039 --> 01:36:52,840
and then it has smaller portions of aluminum sulfur, a

1489
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:57,279
trace of manganese, a trace of potassium. Most of them

1490
01:36:57,319 --> 01:37:00,359
are less than about a tenth of an anchentye diameter,

1491
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,479
and they're spherical, and they're found in all of the

1492
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,319
dust blown out of the buildings during collapse. No matter

1493
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,119
where in Manhattan that dust is picked.

1494
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,359
Speaker 36: Up, you must have had a much hotter heat source

1495
01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:16,520
for you to get twenty seven hundred degrees fahrenheit in

1496
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:20,840
order to melt the steel, melt the iron. To get

1497
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:25,479
these these spheres, these molten spheres, your heat source must

1498
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:29,119
be something like a chemical reaction, an exothermic chemical reaction

1499
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,119
that reacts, in the case of thermite, reacts at forty

1500
01:37:32,119 --> 01:37:33,439
five hundred degrees fahrenheit.

1501
01:37:34,319 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 54: My contention, based on finding thermite residue in the dust

1502
01:37:38,119 --> 01:37:41,079
is that had happened before, it didn't happen after, in

1503
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,600
the fires that ensued in the rubble pile afterwards. It's

1504
01:37:45,079 --> 01:37:48,000
all the characteristics of the microspheres, along with what I

1505
01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:51,520
see in the attack of the beams that were actually found,

1506
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:55,800
tell me that thermite was involved in melting that those

1507
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:56,520
steel beams.

1508
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 5: Out of the ashes of the World Trade Center devastation

1509
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:15,640
rises the Freedom Tower, whose foundation, however, is shrouded in question.

1510
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,560
For example, in the World Trade Center dust, an international

1511
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:24,720
team of scientists find an advanced form of highly energetic

1512
01:38:25,239 --> 01:38:26,880
nano thermite composites.

1513
01:38:27,399 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 33: What is it and where does it come from?

1514
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 9: My name is Nils Harriet.

1515
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:36,279
Speaker 29: I have a master and a PhD in chemistry and

1516
01:38:36,399 --> 01:38:40,479
I'm associate professor at the University of Copenhagen, and I

1517
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:44,800
have been so for almost forty years. I have published

1518
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:49,960
close to sixty peer reviewed papers in the best journals,

1519
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:57,279
and currently I'm involved with research X ray time resolved

1520
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:02,520
spectroscopy on timescales are one millions or one millions of

1521
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:07,640
a second. In the dust, we found what we characterize

1522
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:16,640
as unreacted thermatic material in the shape of some very

1523
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:22,479
tiny red gray chips which have different properties. Most importantly

1524
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:28,439
is they're still reacting some of them and in the

1525
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:35,560
reaction they produce molten iron, which is the prime indication

1526
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:40,520
of a thematic reaction, and such a reaction can be.

1527
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:46,159
Speaker 9: Used to destroy steel structures.

1528
01:39:47,399 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 29: What we have found is a modern version of thermite,

1529
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:56,000
which we call nanothermide, which is produced in a different way.

1530
01:39:56,119 --> 01:40:01,560
It is not just two powders being mixed. The material

1531
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:06,079
is actually built from the atom scale op. We call

1532
01:40:06,119 --> 01:40:10,199
it the bottom op procedure, which is what you do

1533
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:16,079
in nanotechnology. This has two consequences for the nanotherrmite which

1534
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:22,840
separate distinguishes it from the classical thermite. First, the ingredients

1535
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:27,239
are much smaller, which means they're reacting faster and they

1536
01:40:27,239 --> 01:40:28,960
are more easily ignited.

1537
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 28: The primary elements in the red material are aluminum, iron oxide,

1538
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:42,399
as well as silicon and carbon. The iron oxide appears

1539
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:47,359
in fasted grains approxially one hundred nanometers across. The aluminium

1540
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:52,960
appears in thin platelets about forty nanometers thick. It is

1541
01:40:53,039 --> 01:40:58,680
the small size of the particles involved in this material

1542
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:04,439
that allow us to carree it as nano thermite. In

1543
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,119
ordinary thermite, the particle size is much larger, and hence

1544
01:41:08,399 --> 01:41:12,880
ordinary thermite is an incendiary, whereas as the particle size

1545
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:20,159
becomes smaller and smaller, it can become explosive super thermite

1546
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:23,640
it is sometimes called. This red material contains also a

1547
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:30,039
significant amount of carbon, and the formulation of nanothermite is

1548
01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:35,479
described by National Laboratory publications also implies the presence of carbon.

1549
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,880
Very Typically, the organic is used with nanothermite in order

1550
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:45,960
to produce gas that is a very high pressure gas

1551
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:52,039
that makes the nanothermite an explosive. We do have descriptions

1552
01:41:52,119 --> 01:41:56,560
from the Levermore National Laboratory in particular of how they

1553
01:41:56,640 --> 01:42:02,119
fabricated this material, but to fabricated is not so easy.

1554
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,760
This is discussed in our paper in the Open Chemical

1555
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:10,199
Physics Journal published in April of two thousand and nine.

1556
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:14,279
So far, none of these papers have been refuted in

1557
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:18,600
the literature the scientific literature, so that means they are

1558
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:24,800
unchallenged in the scientific sense. They stand as an indictment

1559
01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:28,279
really of the official story of nine to eleven.

1560
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 54: One of the things I'd like to stress about these

1561
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:34,840
chips is that they really shouldn't be there. They're not

1562
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:41,479
a natural formed agglomeration of aluminum from the aircraft or

1563
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,199
materials that were in the building and iron oxide that

1564
01:42:44,319 --> 01:42:45,119
got knocked off.

1565
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:46,199
Speaker 22: It isn't just a.

1566
01:42:46,279 --> 01:42:50,399
Speaker 54: Haphazard bringing together of iron oxide and aluminum, which is

1567
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,920
the basic components of thermite. This is a material that

1568
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:58,039
is made up of nanosized particles that are all very uniform,

1569
01:42:58,279 --> 01:42:59,079
very symmetrical.

1570
01:42:59,359 --> 01:43:06,479
Speaker 57: The formulation of the Grade chips is nanosized. This cannot

1571
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,880
be paint. Paint does not have these exotic properties.

1572
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 38: It's impossible.

1573
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:15,079
Speaker 29: We do not know which role is played by the

1574
01:43:15,399 --> 01:43:19,119
Grade chips that we found in the dust, but we know,

1575
01:43:20,079 --> 01:43:25,439
and this was already totally clear before we started investigating

1576
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:31,159
the dust, that both explosives and incentiaries were used in

1577
01:43:31,239 --> 01:43:34,319
the control demolition of World Trade Center. This is quite

1578
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:39,319
obvious because of other observations the malten iron and other

1579
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:40,680
findings in the dust.

1580
01:43:41,239 --> 01:43:47,079
Speaker 51: This is material that is of military use that really shouldn't.

1581
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:59,319
Speaker 24: Be there, and our whole society is being led to

1582
01:43:59,399 --> 01:44:04,119
believe that these fundamental laws of physics, hard science don't

1583
01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:07,479
apply anymore. I think that should really frighten all of us.

1584
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 2: Just all the other evidence of seeing flashes and explosions,

1585
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:17,760
and the melted metal and the dust particles, and with

1586
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:23,279
the chemical the explosive chemicals found in the debris. There's

1587
01:44:23,319 --> 01:44:25,159
just a lot of questions about what's been going on,

1588
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:28,319
and that these questions have not been answered or even

1589
01:44:28,399 --> 01:44:30,439
addressed in any sort of full way.

1590
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:32,319
Speaker 11: My name is Rick Folks.

1591
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 55: I'm a structural engineer with over forty years experience in engineering.

1592
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:38,920
I'm a president of my own engineering business here in

1593
01:44:39,079 --> 01:44:42,079
Arizona since nineteen eighty three. Prior to that, I was

1594
01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:45,199
a vice president was prominent engineering firms in the Phoenix area.

1595
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:49,479
I have experienced designing large structures including power plant structures,

1596
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:54,640
shopping center structures, schools, commercial buildings, you name it. I

1597
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,159
know structural design and I know that on September eleventh,

1598
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:01,720
when I saw those twin towers coming down, I knew

1599
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:03,640
there had to be more to the story than just

1600
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:07,560
a fire causing those failures. That had to be a

1601
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:10,960
controlled demolition that we were witnessing. The government has lied

1602
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,960
to us, and we need to get to the truth.

1603
01:45:13,239 --> 01:45:16,800
Those victims deserve the truth, They deserve justice. What we

1604
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:18,840
have right now is a travesty of justice.

1605
01:45:19,079 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 25: A Freedom of Information Act request to this by a

1606
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:27,600
registered structural engineer for calculations and analysis substantiating the walk

1607
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,920
off failures of the horizontal girders from their seats that

1608
01:45:31,039 --> 01:45:34,640
Colm seventy nine to eighty one was denied by this

1609
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:39,520
But the claim that releasing this data might jeopardize public safety?

1610
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,640
How could it possibly jeopardize public safety to tell people

1611
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,079
in the industry, engineers who were responsible for designing these buildings,

1612
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:50,640
how this failure could occur.

1613
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 23: That implies that anybody who requests or demands these calculations

1614
01:46:01,039 --> 01:46:03,439
is a threat to public safety.

1615
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 27: Science is never secret when it's done right. Science is

1616
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,920
a way of finding out that is self correcting and

1617
01:46:11,039 --> 01:46:14,840
involves many people. Sciences and science unless it's published, unless

1618
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:19,000
it's openly published and made available for criticism. The thing

1619
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:21,600
that's most important about science is that it's a way

1620
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:24,840
of knowing, and it's a way of knowing that anyone

1621
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:28,760
can participate in. At the end of any kind of science, activity.

1622
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:36,199
People will agree that they have collected evidence that illustrates

1623
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:41,560
a hypothesis, and if the evidence is contradictory to the hypothesis,

1624
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:44,319
you have to one has to abandon that hypothesis and

1625
01:46:44,359 --> 01:46:45,119
look for another one.

1626
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:50,039
Speaker 10: The explanations from FEMA and from this don't add up,

1627
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:56,199
but there is enormous circumstantial evidence, circumstantial and actually physical

1628
01:46:56,239 --> 01:46:59,640
evidence as well that would lead us to a different conclusion,

1629
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:03,239
and the conclusion is controlled demolition.

1630
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,640
Speaker 42: It was a shame that if the collapse, that a

1631
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:13,720
forensic unit, forensic engineering unit didn't go into the debris

1632
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:17,920
and try to find that that time why the talents

1633
01:47:18,039 --> 01:47:24,880
had collapsed. I'm sure there was other evidence that could

1634
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:28,279
have given a better indication at the time that there

1635
01:47:28,279 --> 01:47:30,000
were something else wrong.

1636
01:47:31,159 --> 01:47:35,239
Speaker 30: Any honest investigator would be looking at this and looking

1637
01:47:35,319 --> 01:47:40,239
for explosives and so forth, and this investigation didn't go there.

1638
01:47:40,359 --> 01:47:43,600
They just would not look for explosives. There have been

1639
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,479
explosives found in the dust and the debris, but this

1640
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,479
has been the work of independent researchers not missed.

1641
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 58: And the physical chemistry of everything that I wrote about

1642
01:47:55,399 --> 01:47:59,960
is consistent with no other hypothesis, and all the testimony

1643
01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:03,960
of eyewitnesses. All of the video evidence supports only controlled

1644
01:48:04,039 --> 01:48:08,640
demolition as the cause of all three World Trade Center

1645
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:10,520
buildings destruction.

1646
01:48:11,079 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 46: You don't have to be a chemical engineer to question

1647
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:18,279
that official story is very very obvious. Both Building seven

1648
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:22,359
and the towers were brought down by demolition. It couldn't

1649
01:48:22,359 --> 01:48:23,800
have been any other possible way.

1650
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 24: That conclusion I come to based upon, first of all,

1651
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:33,880
my training, my education, particularly my experience in.

1652
01:48:36,359 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 9: Blowing up.

1653
01:48:39,039 --> 01:48:43,239
Speaker 24: Major structures that had been designed to withstand blasts. The

1654
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:50,760
experience that I had gained in the military and as

1655
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,520
an engineer was irrefutable.

1656
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:55,560
Speaker 9: Those buildings were brought down by explosives.

1657
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 59: Well.

1658
01:48:56,039 --> 01:48:58,520
Speaker 24: The American Society of Civil Engineers were brought into this

1659
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:05,000
investigation early on issue to report without any significant forensic examination.

1660
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:09,319
For the American Society of Civil Engineers to ignore those

1661
01:49:09,399 --> 01:49:16,760
events is extremely disturbing and is a violation, in my opinion,

1662
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,439
of their professional code of ethics. The only thing that

1663
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,560
you can say about their participation in this is that

1664
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:24,640
it must have been an orchestrated cover up.

1665
01:49:25,239 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 27: So the preconceived notion ofness is that there's no evidence

1666
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,560
for explosives, and so there's no point in looking that

1667
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,399
is the most unscientific thing that you can possibly think of.

1668
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:40,159
Not to look because you don't expect to find evidence,

1669
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:43,640
and in fact the evidence is overwhelming. They state these

1670
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:49,319
conclusions for which there's virtually no evidence, and then they

1671
01:49:49,359 --> 01:49:53,079
ignore conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence.

1672
01:49:53,359 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 34: It is my opinion as a former twelve Bravo combat

1673
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:01,199
engineer well trained in the use of explosives. This building,

1674
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:03,760
all three buildings were brought down as a control as

1675
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:05,800
a result of controlled demolitions.

1676
01:50:06,119 --> 01:50:10,279
Speaker 42: Elevate A company personnel add twenty four to seven access

1677
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,920
to the shafts, which is for normal time in the

1678
01:50:14,079 --> 01:50:17,920
evening and early morning hours when they performed their maintenance,

1679
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:24,279
and of course their access to the elevator sheeffs gave

1680
01:50:24,399 --> 01:50:29,520
them total access to the surrounding core columns, the interior

1681
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:30,720
of the core columns.

1682
01:50:31,039 --> 01:50:35,600
Speaker 30: It took some kind of consciousness raising on my part

1683
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:40,680
before I was willing to look at the possibilities and really,

1684
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,279
you need to go where the evidence leads.

1685
01:50:44,119 --> 01:50:46,199
Speaker 17: We know we've been lied to about nine to eleven.

1686
01:50:48,079 --> 01:50:52,079
Speaker 60: We don't know for sure who did it, We don't

1687
01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:56,479
know exactly how they did everything, and that's why we

1688
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:58,319
need a new investigation to find out.

1689
01:50:59,359 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 33: But in the mean time, there are things we do know.

1690
01:51:04,079 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 17: We do know that there was a massive cover up,

1691
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:12,399
that there was evidence hidden and destroyed.

1692
01:51:15,239 --> 01:51:19,319
Speaker 5: And given these conclusions, what remedy do these professionals recommend.

1693
01:51:22,279 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 29: The three skyscravers were taking down in controlled demolition, and

1694
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:31,760
all we're asking for is a new investigation and the

1695
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:35,159
myst also will investigate the.

1696
01:51:35,279 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 9: Dust for remaining explosives.

1697
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:39,600
Speaker 11: At firefight Shround eleven.

1698
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 21: Truth, that's what we're asking for, is we're asking for

1699
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,279
an investigation that follows national standards.

1700
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:45,560
Speaker 9: I'm Jody Gibbs.

1701
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:49,319
Speaker 44: I was licensed for general building and heavy construction as

1702
01:51:49,359 --> 01:51:51,960
well as architecture over thirty five years ago. I was

1703
01:51:52,079 --> 01:51:55,840
educated at Yale University, the Harvard Graduate School of Design,

1704
01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:59,279
the Yale Graduate School of Art and Architecture, and I

1705
01:51:59,399 --> 01:52:01,560
taught it am I as an adjunct faculty for a

1706
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,239
number of years in the Graduate School of Architecture. My

1707
01:52:04,359 --> 01:52:09,039
reasons for looking and demanding and urging people to see

1708
01:52:09,079 --> 01:52:11,800
that we get a judicial investigation are really very simple.

1709
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,840
No high rise steel structure has ever been destroyed by

1710
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:18,279
a fire in the history of construction. We have eyewitness

1711
01:52:18,319 --> 01:52:22,439
testimony of firemen policemen, news reporters, and occupants of the

1712
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:27,600
building to explosions, an enormous number of eyewitness testimonies. Fourth,

1713
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:32,199
the buildings fall at a speed which can only occur

1714
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:36,319
if the structure has been removed. The vertical structure large

1715
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:41,199
multi toon beams were hurled hundreds of yards laterally, gravity

1716
01:52:41,239 --> 01:52:44,920
works vertically not laterally. We also now have the evidence

1717
01:52:45,359 --> 01:52:48,880
of thermite and thermite explosives. Most of these things were

1718
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:51,640
not even mentioned in the nine to eleven Commission report.

1719
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:55,319
It's for this reason I urge all architects and engineers

1720
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,199
to look into the matter, look at the evidence that

1721
01:52:58,359 --> 01:53:02,399
is available, and sign on to the demands of Architects

1722
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:05,680
and Engineers for nine to eleven Truth in demanding that

1723
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:07,199
we get a judicial investigation.

1724
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 7: I signed the petition for Architects and Engineers for nine

1725
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,600
to eleven Truth because I felt it was an organization

1726
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,640
trying to get it at the truth of what in

1727
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:20,319
fact actually happened, what brought those buildings down. So what

1728
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:24,399
I'm looking for is a new investigation where all of

1729
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:29,520
the original information and tests and hypotheses are re examined,

1730
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,039
as well as the ones that have surfaced since the

1731
01:53:32,159 --> 01:53:36,520
new ones, including the allegations of controlled demolition.

1732
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:40,319
Speaker 19: I don't think any of us are pointing fingers at

1733
01:53:40,359 --> 01:53:44,239
this time. We're just saying, let's reopen it. Let's look

1734
01:53:44,279 --> 01:53:46,960
at it objectively, Let's look at the evidence, not these

1735
01:53:47,079 --> 01:53:52,920
fabricated computer models and hearsay and all these predetermined conclusions.

1736
01:53:54,359 --> 01:53:59,680
Let's really open it up again and investigate this thing

1737
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,399
properly and then come to conclusions.

1738
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:06,079
Speaker 13: In my thirty seven years of experience as a structural engineer,

1739
01:54:06,119 --> 01:54:08,520
I've never seen modes of failures such as have been

1740
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,760
exhibited in the case of these buildings, and that's why

1741
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:15,039
I feel that we need a new, independent investigation to

1742
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:17,880
explain the destruction of these three buildings.

1743
01:54:19,119 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 26: I strongly support an independent investigation into what actually occurred.

1744
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:29,600
There are many problems, and in fact, as a forensic engineer,

1745
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:33,159
I can tell you that unfortunately the government has destroyed

1746
01:54:33,439 --> 01:54:37,720
much of the evidence that we could do an appropriate investigation,

1747
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:42,880
that an investigation could be done that would be independent

1748
01:54:43,279 --> 01:54:46,119
of the government, independent of all of the influences that

1749
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:50,000
obviously were in effect during the inst investigation.

1750
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:53,479
Speaker 14: Based on the evidence available, I feel that we must

1751
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:56,319
demand a new investigation into the destruction of the World

1752
01:54:56,359 --> 01:55:00,039
Trade Center, Towers and NIST itself.

1753
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 16: Need to have an investigation of miss themselves. I believe

1754
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:08,479
that the reports that came out are not true. I

1755
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,279
believe there's a lot of a lot of information that

1756
01:55:11,439 --> 01:55:15,640
was omitted blatantly or otherwise.

1757
01:55:16,239 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 42: I strongly feel that an international commission should be formed

1758
01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:28,319
to look at this matter in an unbiased manner and

1759
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:32,920
come to a conclusion that could be presented to the

1760
01:55:33,239 --> 01:55:34,920
entire engineering community.

1761
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:39,199
Speaker 24: We have a professional responsibility and I urge every engineer,

1762
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:43,159
an architect, and demolitions expert, and anybody that has any

1763
01:55:43,239 --> 01:55:46,359
knowledge in this field to examine the evidence and stand

1764
01:55:46,479 --> 01:55:49,359
up and become because the rest of the world is

1765
01:55:49,399 --> 01:55:50,319
depending upon us.

1766
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:55,199
Speaker 30: I would like to see a real investigation. I'd like

1767
01:55:55,319 --> 01:55:58,000
to see I'd like to see people on the inside

1768
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:02,399
who really know what they're what happened. I'd like to

1769
01:56:02,479 --> 01:56:05,840
see some of those come out. There's some very good scientists,

1770
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:09,239
I'm sure at NIS and their life's work is getting

1771
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:13,119
distorted and used for political purposes.

1772
01:56:13,279 --> 01:56:15,880
Speaker 34: What happened on nine to eleven is not something that

1773
01:56:16,239 --> 01:56:19,319
is just going to go away. This is very pertinent

1774
01:56:19,399 --> 01:56:23,399
to us today. I wish to further the investigation and

1775
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:27,600
I want to make a difference because I want this

1776
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:29,960
to be a safe and better place for my children.

1777
01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 19: I signed the petition on the Architect and Engineer's nine

1778
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:38,960
to eleven Truth website mainly because I wanted to stand

1779
01:56:39,039 --> 01:56:42,840
behind the families that lost people on nine to eleven.

1780
01:56:44,399 --> 01:56:46,880
The nine to eleven Truth Movement was started by the

1781
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:52,359
families that lost loved ones on that day, and they

1782
01:56:52,399 --> 01:56:56,199
were all out there alone screaming for help, and our

1783
01:56:56,239 --> 01:56:59,439
own country was ignoring them and ignoring their needs and

1784
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,840
not taking care of them the way we should have

1785
01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:03,119
after that happened.

1786
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 9: We have not been told the truth. We deserve the truth,

1787
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:07,560
and so did the victims.

1788
01:57:08,479 --> 01:57:12,119
Speaker 19: We need to come together again as a country. I

1789
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:15,359
believe that this one event split our country in half,

1790
01:57:16,359 --> 01:57:18,239
and the only way we're going to come back together

1791
01:57:18,399 --> 01:57:22,119
is to reopen the wound. Talk about this in an

1792
01:57:22,199 --> 01:57:23,039
open dialogue.

1793
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 5: Most of us who have lived with the events of

1794
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:30,399
nine to eleven have, as a result, experienced some kind

1795
01:57:30,479 --> 01:57:33,239
of trauma. It can be very difficult to come to

1796
01:57:33,399 --> 01:57:36,680
terms with what actually happened at the World Trade Center.

1797
01:57:37,319 --> 01:57:40,840
In fact, someone told me recently, I wouldn't believe what

1798
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:44,720
you're telling me even if it were true, our petition

1799
01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:49,880
signers with psychological expertise have stepped forward to offer their insight.

1800
01:57:51,239 --> 01:57:54,279
While this segment is clearly outside the knowledge base of

1801
01:57:54,359 --> 01:57:57,520
the architects and engineers for nine to eleven truth, these

1802
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:01,960
experts in psychology highlight their valuable experience for us as

1803
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:04,920
to why this evidence can still be so difficult for

1804
01:58:05,039 --> 01:58:06,000
people to accept.

1805
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:10,239
Speaker 61: At this point, we have nine years of hard scientific

1806
01:58:10,399 --> 01:58:14,399
evidence that disproves a government theory about what happened on

1807
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:19,159
September eleventh. Then, yet people continue to be either oblivious

1808
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:23,600
to the fact that this information exists or completely resistant

1809
01:58:24,119 --> 01:58:27,680
to looking at this information. So the question becomes why

1810
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:31,680
why is it that people have so much trouble hearing

1811
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:35,520
this information? From my work, I think we would be

1812
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:40,039
remiss not to look at the impact of trauma. My

1813
01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:44,199
name is Marty Hopper and I'm a PhD clinical psychologist.

1814
01:58:44,479 --> 01:58:47,079
I've been working and living for the past thirty years

1815
01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:50,960
here in Boulder, Colorado. For the past eleven years, my

1816
01:58:51,159 --> 01:58:56,199
work has focused on helping people who have experienced personal trauma. Now,

1817
01:58:56,319 --> 01:58:59,520
as we know, the horrors of what happened on nine

1818
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:01,680
to eleven were televised all over the world, and they

1819
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:05,800
were televised in fact live, we witnessed the deaths of

1820
01:59:06,439 --> 01:59:10,920
almost three thousand of our fellow Americans. We know this

1821
01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:16,119
had a very severe and traumatic impact on a large

1822
01:59:17,279 --> 01:59:21,319
majority of the population. I myself cried for weeks after

1823
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:25,199
September eleventh. A friend of mine, who is a psychologist

1824
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:31,239
and practice here in Boulder, said that her caseload increased

1825
01:59:31,279 --> 01:59:34,920
tremendously after nine to eleven, and people that she hadn't

1826
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,479
seen in ten years were coming back into her practice.

1827
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:40,279
Speaker 23: So I think it's safe to say that.

1828
01:59:40,399 --> 01:59:45,439
Speaker 61: Collectively, as a nation, because of what happened on September eleventh,

1829
01:59:46,279 --> 01:59:48,600
we experienced trauma.

1830
01:59:49,079 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 62: I'm friend sure, and I have a master's degree from

1831
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:55,600
the University of Colorado. I've had a private practice as

1832
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:59,680
a psychotherapist and as a licensed professional counselor for about

1833
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:04,560
twenty years. Why do people resist this information, the information

1834
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:07,159
that shows that the official story about nine to eleven

1835
02:00:07,479 --> 02:00:11,640
cannot be true. What I've learned is that as humans,

1836
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:15,920
each of us have a worldview, and that worldview is

1837
02:00:16,119 --> 02:00:18,640
usually formed in great part by the culture we grow

1838
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:21,920
up in. When we hear information that contradicts our worldview,

1839
02:00:22,119 --> 02:00:27,720
social psychologists called the result, the resulting insecurity cognitive dissonance.

1840
02:00:29,039 --> 02:00:32,760
For example, with nine to eleven, we have one cognition,

1841
02:00:33,439 --> 02:00:36,720
which is what the official story of nine to eleven,

1842
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:39,600
what our government told us, what media repeated to us

1843
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:44,079
over and over, that nineteen Muslims attacked us. On the

1844
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:49,760
other hand, we have what scientists, researchers, architects, engineers are

1845
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:53,800
now beginning to tell us, which is that there is

1846
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:56,880
evidence that shows that the official story cannot be true.

1847
02:00:57,359 --> 02:01:01,800
So now we've lost our sense of security. We are

1848
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:05,159
starting to feel vulnerable. Now we're confused.

1849
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:06,439
Speaker 33: Nine to eleven.

1850
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:10,840
Speaker 49: Truth challenges some of our most fundamental beliefs about our

1851
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:15,439
government and about our country. When your beliefs are challenged,

1852
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:20,520
or when two beliefs are inconsistent, cognitive dissonance is created.

1853
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:25,560
Nine to eleven Truth challenges the beliefs that our country

1854
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:29,000
protects us and keeps us safe, and.

1855
02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:30,439
Speaker 33: That America is the good guy.

1856
02:01:31,319 --> 02:01:33,479
Speaker 49: My name is Bob Hopper and I have a PhD

1857
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:36,720
in clinical psychology from the University of Cincinnati.

1858
02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 33: For the past twenty nine.

1859
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:43,560
Speaker 49: Years, I've been a licensed PhD clinical psychologist in Boulder, Colorado.

1860
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:48,399
When your beliefs are challenged, fear and anxiety are created.

1861
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:53,560
In response to that, our psychological defenses kick in and

1862
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:58,720
they protect us from these emotions. Denial, which is probably

1863
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:03,439
the most primitive coological defense, is the one most likely

1864
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:04,399
to kick in.

1865
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 33: When our beliefs are challenged.

1866
02:02:08,319 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 52: I'm Daniel dupere PhD originally from Switzerland, where I studied

1867
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:17,760
psychology and psychoanalysis. For the past fifteen years, I've been

1868
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:23,319
empowering people who have experienced significant trauma. America is a

1869
02:02:23,399 --> 02:02:28,439
powerful nation. It has never been attacked. We were confident,

1870
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:33,279
we felt secure, and all of a sudden that security collapsed.

1871
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:36,800
People started to be fearful with all those rumors, those

1872
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:40,439
news people didn't know what to think about, and it's

1873
02:02:40,479 --> 02:02:44,319
a very, very uncomfortable state to be in. And eventually

1874
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:47,800
our mind shuts off. Just like when a computer is overloaded,

1875
02:02:48,279 --> 02:02:51,600
our minds get overloaded. We can't handle it anymore, and

1876
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:55,760
we shut down. It's easier to deny it and move

1877
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:56,800
on with our lives.

1878
02:02:57,359 --> 02:03:00,720
Speaker 62: What some of us will tend to do is deny

1879
02:03:01,399 --> 02:03:04,000
the evidence that's coming our way and stick to the

1880
02:03:04,079 --> 02:03:07,960
original story, the official story, and to try to regain

1881
02:03:08,039 --> 02:03:11,319
our equilibrium in that way. Another thing we can do

1882
02:03:12,119 --> 02:03:16,520
is decide to look at the conflicting evidence and be

1883
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:20,119
sincere and be open minded and look at both sides

1884
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:22,840
of the issue, and then make up our own mind

1885
02:03:23,319 --> 02:03:24,640
about what reality is.

1886
02:03:25,239 --> 02:03:28,079
Speaker 59: I'm Dorothy Louric. I have a master's degree in counseling

1887
02:03:28,119 --> 02:03:31,800
psychology from the University of Colorado, and I've been practicing

1888
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:36,159
reevaluation counseling for over sixteen years. If we can think

1889
02:03:36,159 --> 02:03:39,479
of our worldview as being sort of our mental and

1890
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:42,720
emotional home, I think all of this will do just

1891
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:45,640
about anything to defend our homes, to defend our families.

1892
02:03:46,279 --> 02:03:48,840
And so I see that with people, and I saw

1893
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:51,000
that with myself when my brother tried to talk with

1894
02:03:51,119 --> 02:03:53,880
me about it, of don't mess with me, don't mess

1895
02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:56,720
with my home, don't mess with my comfort with how

1896
02:03:57,399 --> 02:04:01,640
how things are and at A week later, I read

1897
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:05,840
a lengthy article by Professor Griffin about why he believes

1898
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:08,159
the official account of nine to eleven cannot be true.

1899
02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:12,199
And it was a very well researched article. Or I

1900
02:04:12,279 --> 02:04:14,000
was in my office at the time. I sat there

1901
02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:17,319
and I felt my stomach churning. I thought maybe I

1902
02:04:17,479 --> 02:04:21,039
was going to be sick, and I leaped out of

1903
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my chair and ran out the door and took a

1904
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long walk around the block, around several blocks, and just

1905
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broke down. I understand now that what was happening was

1906
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my worldview about my government being in some way, my protector,

1907
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almost like a parent, had been dashed, and it was

1908
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like being cast out into the wilderness, I think is

1909
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the closest way to describe that feeling. And I sobbed,

1910
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and I sobbed, felt like the ground had completely disappeared

1911
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beneath my feet. And I knew at some point during

1912
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the walk that I knew that I was going to

1913
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have to become active in educating other people about this,

1914
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that there was that for me to retain any sense

1915
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of integrity, I.

1916
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Speaker 54: Was going to have to take some action.

1917
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Speaker 36: I couldn't just let something like this go.

1918
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Speaker 49: Many people respond to these truths in a very deep way.

1919
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Some have a visceral reaction, like they've been punched in

1920
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the stomach. To begin to accept the possibility that the

1921
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:27,239
government was involved is like opening Pandora's box.

1922
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Speaker 33: If you open the lid and peek in a little.

1923
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Speaker 49: Bit, it's going to challenge some of your fundamental beliefs

1924
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about the world.

1925
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Speaker 62: Well, here are a few of those spontaneous initial reactions too.

1926
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Hearing the contradictory evidence about nine to eleven, I don't

1927
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want to know the.

1928
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Speaker 49: Truth, or I'd become too negative and psychologically go downhill.

1929
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Speaker 33: I'm not sure I want to know. If this is true, then.

1930
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Speaker 49: Up would be down and down would be up. My

1931
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life would never be the same.

1932
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Speaker 62: Friend. I refuse to believe that that many Americans could

1933
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be that treasonous. Someone would have talked. But these are beliefs.

1934
02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:12,760
They are not scientific facts. But these beliefs do keep

1935
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us from looking at the empirical evidence.

1936
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Speaker 63: I'm David ra Griffin. I taught philosophy, religion, and theology

1937
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at the Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University.

1938
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I published about thirty five books in my field, but

1939
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then starting in two thousand and four, I started publishing

1940
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about nine to eleven, and since that time I have

1941
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published ten books. About nine to eleven.

1942
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Speaker 45: You have.

1943
02:06:45,960 --> 02:06:49,600
Speaker 63: Empirical people who will simply say, look at the evidence,

1944
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and if it's convincing, I will change my mind. Other

1945
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:59,479
people are paradigmatic people. They have a paradigm. They say

1946
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:03,640
this is the way the world works, and I'm convinced

1947
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:07,119
this is the right way the world works. Nine to

1948
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eleven doesn't fit into that paradigm, so I don't need

1949
02:07:11,239 --> 02:07:15,960
to look at the evidence. It's paradigmatic. And then there

1950
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:20,119
is a third type of person that we often call

1951
02:07:20,319 --> 02:07:26,920
wishful thinkers. I call it wishful and fearful thinking. So

1952
02:07:27,319 --> 02:07:32,439
they simply will not believe something that they fear to

1953
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:37,720
be the truth. And I found that maybe to be

1954
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the most powerful factor of people rejecting nine to eleven

1955
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:47,800
truth and not even entertaining the evidence.

1956
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Speaker 62: So whenever we say I refuse to believe, we can

1957
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:56,600
be sure that the evidence that's coming our way is

1958
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not bearable and that it's going it's conflicting with worldview

1959
02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:01,279
much too much.

1960
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:04,560
Speaker 49: Denial protects people from this kind of anxiety.

1961
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Speaker 62: As I thought about all of these responses, I realize

1962
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that what is common to every one of them is

1963
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the emotion of fear. People are afraid of being ostracized.

1964
02:08:20,119 --> 02:08:23,000
They're afraid of being alienated. They're afraid of being shunned.

1965
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:28,039
They're afraid of their lives being inconvenience they have to

1966
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:31,600
change their lives. They're afraid of being confused. They're afraid

1967
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:37,800
of psychological deterioration. They're afraid of feeling helpless and vulnerable,

1968
02:08:39,039 --> 02:08:41,119
and they're afraid that they won't be able to handle

1969
02:08:41,159 --> 02:08:43,760
the feelings that are coming up. None of us want

1970
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:48,800
to feel helpless and vulnerable, so we want to defend ourselves,

1971
02:08:49,319 --> 02:08:51,600
and the way we often do that is with anger.

1972
02:08:52,479 --> 02:08:55,760
So then we become angry, and when we become angry,

1973
02:08:56,640 --> 02:09:04,079
then we become indignant, become offended. We want to ridicule

1974
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:07,760
the messenger, we want to pathologize the messenger, and we

1975
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:09,560
want to censor the messenger.

1976
02:09:10,079 --> 02:09:13,119
Speaker 33: So how can we overcome this resistance and denial.

1977
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:16,359
Speaker 49: The first thing is to meet people where they're at.

1978
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:19,319
Speaker 64: One thing is that we need to raise people's awareness

1979
02:09:19,319 --> 02:09:21,800
about this through what I would call gentle dialogue and

1980
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:25,399
gentle questioning. My name is John Freedom. I'm a counselor

1981
02:09:25,439 --> 02:09:28,239
in private practice here in tucsona Arizona, right, you've been

1982
02:09:28,279 --> 02:09:30,840
for the past twenty years. I hold a master's level

1983
02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:34,560
certification in NLP, which is neuro linguistic programming. So it

1984
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:37,159
doesn't work to challenge people's belief or immediately tell them

1985
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:38,760
you know, I know the truth about nine to eleven.

1986
02:09:39,039 --> 02:09:42,600
But good way is to ask questions, ask open end

1987
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:44,760
to questions and lead them into a dialogue and discussion

1988
02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:45,079
about it.

1989
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:52,039
Speaker 8: Healing comes through ex facing the truth, experiencing it, allowing

1990
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:55,039
the feelings to come in. So if there are feelings

1991
02:09:55,079 --> 02:10:00,439
of fear that perhaps these events were caused something that

1992
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:04,640
we haven't thought about yet, dark elements within our society,

1993
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:08,319
for example, we'll let that come in and explore it.

1994
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:12,720
Let the light shine on whatever happened. This will be

1995
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:17,119
the most healing process. The Germans did this after their war.

1996
02:10:18,199 --> 02:10:22,359
The South Africans did this after apartheid. Reconciliation through the

1997
02:10:22,479 --> 02:10:27,520
truth is what is a deep path to psychologic recovery

1998
02:10:28,159 --> 02:10:32,800
from the myths and lies around which this historical event

1999
02:10:32,920 --> 02:10:36,760
has been cloaked in the official view. I am Professor

2000
02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:41,079
William Woodward. I'm trained in the history of science with

2001
02:10:41,159 --> 02:10:45,239
a PhD. I also have a master's in experimental psychology.

2002
02:10:46,199 --> 02:10:51,479
I've edited four books and published well over twenty peer

2003
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:56,239
reviewed papers. I've taught for thirty five years at a

2004
02:10:56,319 --> 02:10:59,960
state university, University of New Hampshire. I think as a psychologist,

2005
02:11:01,159 --> 02:11:06,600
to overcome our fear of the traumatic event with new

2006
02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:13,239
information would be the best healthiest route to our collective recovery.

2007
02:11:13,319 --> 02:11:15,800
Speaker 11: From the trauma of nine to eleven.

2008
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:21,800
Speaker 8: That, by the way, is a psychotherapeutic insight that to

2009
02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:26,319
gradually uncover the truth in your own life the sources

2010
02:11:26,359 --> 02:11:31,079
of anxiety, to make them conscious is the royal road

2011
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:31,880
to recovery.

2012
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:35,159
Speaker 52: One of the ways to deal with the trauma is

2013
02:11:35,279 --> 02:11:37,479
to find the answers. That's why I think it is

2014
02:11:38,039 --> 02:11:42,880
of such importance to have a comprehensive investigation.

2015
02:11:43,319 --> 02:11:47,479
Speaker 8: To work together to expose what happened, regardless of where

2016
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:50,840
the evidence takes us. That's what we expect in our

2017
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:55,960
state government law enforcement. I think that by putting science

2018
02:11:56,079 --> 02:11:59,840
together with the law, we will have a psychological healing

2019
02:12:00,640 --> 02:12:08,319
around the impossible cognition that has been produced on that day.

2020
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:10,680
Speaker 49: I believe that to be the kind of country that

2021
02:12:11,079 --> 02:12:14,359
we think we are, we have to face some of

2022
02:12:14,479 --> 02:12:15,479
the things.

2023
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:17,279
Speaker 65: That are not as we think they are.

2024
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 33: I'm Robert Griffin.

2025
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:24,520
Speaker 65: I am a licensed psychologist practicing in Pennsylvania for twenty

2026
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:25,159
five years.

2027
02:12:25,399 --> 02:12:27,640
Speaker 33: I am a member of Psychologists for.

2028
02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:32,520
Speaker 65: Social Responsibility, and I am past president of the Northeastern

2029
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:34,560
Pennsylvania Psychological Association.

2030
02:12:35,439 --> 02:12:40,039
Speaker 45: After World War Two, part of the way that Jewish

2031
02:12:40,119 --> 02:12:44,880
people honored the dead was by making sure that the

2032
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:49,560
truth was known and that the value of these people

2033
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:56,319
was respected. Not pursuing the truth about nine to eleven

2034
02:12:56,720 --> 02:12:59,640
disrespects the value of the life.

2035
02:12:59,439 --> 02:13:01,119
Speaker 33: Of the people that died.

2036
02:13:02,079 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 45: Thinking that we're above such things that it could happen

2037
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:08,960
in other countries but it couldn't happen here. That's a

2038
02:13:09,039 --> 02:13:13,079
lack of humility and that success of pride, and so

2039
02:13:13,279 --> 02:13:14,880
not being able to see our dark.

2040
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 33: Side or our weaknesses is the most dangerous thing.

2041
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:24,279
Speaker 63: The observation that pride is one of the basic human

2042
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:34,119
flaws is absolutely correct. This is especially true for Americans

2043
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:41,000
because we long for a long time looked at other

2044
02:13:41,159 --> 02:13:46,640
nations and say, oh, in such bad shape. But luckily

2045
02:13:47,399 --> 02:13:50,800
we don't have those problems. We don't have leaders who

2046
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:57,199
would do those things that were done in the Soviet Union,

2047
02:13:57,520 --> 02:14:01,560
or done in Germany, or done in Japan and on

2048
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:06,279
down the list. So this is a type of pride

2049
02:14:06,920 --> 02:14:11,920
that Americans have. A feature of American history that makes

2050
02:14:12,039 --> 02:14:19,800
us particularly liable to this pride is this notion that

2051
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:27,560
it's called exceptionalism, that America is the exceptional nation, and

2052
02:14:27,960 --> 02:14:31,159
that it began from the beginning as they as this

2053
02:14:31,359 --> 02:14:36,159
country was formed. The people would say, well, there was

2054
02:14:36,279 --> 02:14:42,319
so much evil in the European country, so much cheating,

2055
02:14:43,079 --> 02:14:48,439
so much lying, so much using the people for the

2056
02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:54,840
rulers' purposes. But not in America. We have leaders that

2057
02:14:55,000 --> 02:15:00,199
are free from those sins. So I think I think

2058
02:15:00,319 --> 02:15:07,239
this has made nine to eleven particularly difficult for Americans.

2059
02:15:07,399 --> 02:15:10,479
Speaker 45: Anyone can make mistakes, but our ideals and our principles

2060
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:12,760
get us back on track.

2061
02:15:13,239 --> 02:15:15,319
Speaker 64: This is one of the defining issues of our time.

2062
02:15:15,800 --> 02:15:22,640
Speaker 45: So we need to understand that questioning is patriotic. Questioning

2063
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:24,960
is what we're supposed to do with citizens. That's our

2064
02:15:25,079 --> 02:15:25,960
duty when.

2065
02:15:25,880 --> 02:15:29,560
Speaker 62: We come to the national level when something like nine

2066
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:32,800
to eleven happens, we need to be sure that we

2067
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:38,319
have a real investigation into who the perpetrators are, and

2068
02:15:38,520 --> 02:15:41,199
then we need to be sure that those perpetrators are

2069
02:15:41,239 --> 02:15:44,800
how legally accountable. It's part of the healing process on

2070
02:15:44,920 --> 02:15:48,960
the individual level as on the collective level. We need

2071
02:15:49,039 --> 02:15:50,560
the truth in order to heal.

2072
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:54,239
Speaker 5: Ten years later, the deep wounds from nine to eleven

2073
02:15:54,399 --> 02:15:58,119
have yet to heal. Nothing hits closer to home than

2074
02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:02,720
the loss that these famili men continue to endure. Along

2075
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:05,840
with the torment of their unanswered questions.

2076
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:07,920
Speaker 19: My name is Bob McIlvain.

2077
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:11,800
Speaker 66: I'm from right outside of the Philadelphia area, and I'm

2078
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:14,640
the father of Bobby McIlvain, who was killed in the

2079
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:17,399
lobby of the North Tower on September.

2080
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:18,119
Speaker 19: Eleventh, two thousand and one.

2081
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:22,079
Speaker 66: But I've been searching to get the truth of exactly

2082
02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:24,640
what happened to Bobby, and Bobby is a very interesting story.

2083
02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:27,640
Bobby was one of the first ten bodies found.

2084
02:16:29,279 --> 02:16:30,560
Speaker 9: We took him home that week.

2085
02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:34,280
Speaker 66: We were one of the few well I finally found

2086
02:16:34,319 --> 02:16:37,479
the doctor who examined him. He gave me an outline

2087
02:16:37,520 --> 02:16:40,079
of a body, and he described all the injuries he had.

2088
02:16:40,840 --> 02:16:42,959
But the fact is that all his injuries were in

2089
02:16:43,000 --> 02:16:44,040
the face, the.

2090
02:16:44,079 --> 02:16:44,799
Speaker 43: Front of his face.

2091
02:16:44,879 --> 02:16:48,159
Speaker 66: His face was blown off, massive cuts in his chest,

2092
02:16:48,360 --> 02:16:51,559
and his right arm were blown off. To me, that

2093
02:16:51,799 --> 02:16:52,680
means explosion.

2094
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:56,440
Speaker 47: My brother was my best friend. David has always been

2095
02:16:56,479 --> 02:16:59,959
a firefighter. My brother went in to save people's lives.

2096
02:17:00,719 --> 02:17:03,000
I'm a family member trying to find out the answers

2097
02:17:03,399 --> 02:17:05,920
to the murder of three thousand plus people.

2098
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm Jane Polosino. My husband Steve, was forty eight years

2099
02:17:11,319 --> 02:17:14,799
old when he was killed on September eleventh, I had

2100
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:19,600
no identification. You know, why is that? And you sort

2101
02:17:19,600 --> 02:17:22,159
of left with all these question marks, which it's harder

2102
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:25,520
to deal within the pain of losing somebody in that way.

2103
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:30,879
It seems to me we should know why over a

2104
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:36,239
thousand victims there are no trace for and no identification,

2105
02:17:36,440 --> 02:17:38,559
no trace of over a thousand victims.

2106
02:17:40,239 --> 02:17:42,200
Speaker 47: Just a few years ago there were still finding body

2107
02:17:42,239 --> 02:17:43,920
parts on the roofs of buildings.

2108
02:17:44,920 --> 02:17:45,399
Speaker 37: What is that?

2109
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:49,200
Speaker 1: We should know why there are over seven hundred bone

2110
02:17:49,319 --> 02:17:53,280
fragments found on the top of Deutsche Bank building, less

2111
02:17:53,319 --> 02:17:57,079
than a half an inch long. We should have that information.

2112
02:17:57,239 --> 02:18:00,040
Why were they up there, Why weren't they found? What

2113
02:18:00,159 --> 02:18:01,360
kind of explosion was there?

2114
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:05,000
Speaker 66: And the explosions were brought up many at times, talking

2115
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:08,879
to fireman, talking to medics, talking to everyone. Everybody talked

2116
02:18:08,879 --> 02:18:10,159
about these explosions.

2117
02:18:11,559 --> 02:18:15,120
Speaker 1: I want the officials that are in power to ask

2118
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:18,879
the questions. I want answers. We never had answers. Nobody

2119
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:23,760
ever stopped to have a scientific investigation.

2120
02:18:24,239 --> 02:18:28,479
Speaker 66: Please look at architects and engineers, people all around the world.

2121
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:33,360
Scientists all around the world are questioning this, that these

2122
02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:36,719
towers could not have come down. But when you bring

2123
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:40,760
science into the equation. That's so important because you can't

2124
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:45,399
argue against science, and there's some deep, deep explaining to do.

2125
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:49,719
Speaker 47: The bottom line is that it needs to be investigated properly.

2126
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,959
Speaker 5: The forensic evidence that you've seen is very real.

2127
02:18:54,879 --> 02:18:56,079
Speaker 33: New light has been shown.

2128
02:18:56,760 --> 02:18:59,440
Speaker 5: A third being now reaches into the pitch black sky

2129
02:19:00,159 --> 02:19:05,040
stands in for the still officially unexplained free fall destruction

2130
02:19:05,639 --> 02:19:09,959
of the World Trade Center Building seven. The obvious dark

2131
02:19:10,079 --> 02:19:11,600
truth about Building.

2132
02:19:11,399 --> 02:19:14,159
Speaker 33: Seven may very well provide.

2133
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:17,360
Speaker 5: The key to justice for the victims of the destruction

2134
02:19:17,799 --> 02:19:18,840
of the twin Towers.

2135
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:26,319
Speaker 56: The country owns this.

2136
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:27,959
Speaker 24: We're all victims.

2137
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:32,200
Speaker 1: All you want answers, it's not just hours, not just mining.

2138
02:19:33,879 --> 02:19:35,319
Speaker 18: Were almost up many.

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Speaker 33: You're listening to the fact hunter radio network.

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Speaker 9: Just the facts, ma'amy h