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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, everybody, Thank you for being here,
Speaker 2: Thank you for living through the Age of Transitions alongside myself.
Speaker 2: We're all doing the same thing. We're all in this.
Speaker 2: We're all in this strange transitional time. That's for sure
Speaker 2: or nothing. Nobody can be quite sure of anything. Everything
Speaker 2: is in constant flux, always changing. Don't get too used
Speaker 2: to something, because it won't be there for very long.
Speaker 2: It'll be replaced by the new iteration of the same thing,
Speaker 2: will be replaced entirely with a new, better thing that
Speaker 2: goes for everything big and small, from the details of
Speaker 2: your own personal life. Maybe your job you're doing one day,
Speaker 2: maybe it won't be needed to be done tomorrow. Maybe
Speaker 2: it'll go away and you'll have a completely new purpose,
Speaker 2: a new career hoisted upon you because the old one
Speaker 2: just isn't there anymore. That sort of thing is going
Speaker 2: to happen quite a bit. That has happened in the past,
Speaker 2: but moving through the Age of Transitions, that will presumably
Speaker 2: happen more and more that effect, and hell, even in
Speaker 2: higher governments will sort of are in transitional phases where
Speaker 2: they're changing, and certainly technology is I would argue the
Speaker 2: main agent of change, the main alchemical agent of change
Speaker 2: at play here causing these effects on our world, on us.
Speaker 2: We are being changed, we are being altered. The human
Speaker 2: being stands to change. So that would be like the
Speaker 2: biggest scale, largest thing is the actual human being, the
Speaker 2: genetic creature that we know and are we exist as,
Speaker 2: stands to even change itself, which is pretty wild. We'll
Speaker 2: see how that may play out. I guess it's not
Speaker 2: a given that will even make it to that point entirely,
Speaker 2: although you could say it already is happening, it's in
Speaker 2: process due to so many different things, and so many
Speaker 2: changes are honestly unconscious and unintended. We're being swept up
Speaker 2: by this. It's fun to kind of point the finger
Speaker 2: and place blame and like, well, this group or that
Speaker 2: group is causing all these changes, and that can be done.
Speaker 2: That can be done, and certainly I do it. I've
Speaker 2: done that, and I don't think it's wrong to do
Speaker 2: that in instances. But also we have to remember that
Speaker 2: the system itself that emerges out of everything, everything that
Speaker 2: we're doing, all the changes that are being made, it
Speaker 2: starts to take on a life of its own.
Speaker 1: And it starts to.
Speaker 2: Get change in a way that goes beyond our ability
Speaker 2: to do the consciously alter things. And honestly, the life
Speaker 2: of a human being is way more unconscious than it
Speaker 2: is conscious when we're being honest with ourselves. Just as
Speaker 2: a matter of course, And we could take this back
Speaker 2: to the quote unquote natural.
Speaker 1: World before the fall.
Speaker 2: Happened, before we left the garden of Eden. Even if
Speaker 2: we want to look at it that way, I could
Speaker 2: even say, well, back then it would have been more
Speaker 2: unconscious than conscious anyway, because that's just our nature. So
Speaker 2: we do think we act subconsciously, we act unconsciously. We
Speaker 2: have conscious awareness, Yes, can we consciously control things?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Do we do that a majority of the time?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Is it useful to note that we usually are not
Speaker 2: doing things consciously?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I would say yes, absolutely it is because it makes
Speaker 2: whenever we do have conscious choices and we are actually
Speaker 2: aware and affecting things with actual purpose, it makes it
Speaker 2: that much more powerful and useful and purposeful when we
Speaker 2: know how rare and fleeting of.
Speaker 1: A moment it is in our lives.
Speaker 2: That's a time that we're doing it being perfectly aware
Speaker 2: and in the moment and actually conscious for once, because
Speaker 2: we're not usually in that state. This is all fun stuff.
Speaker 2: I had no idea I was going to say any
Speaker 2: of this, but here we are, and I did kind
Speaker 2: of want to make a comment on the Age of
Speaker 2: Transition's title as well. I've done this plenty of times,
Speaker 2: but we can't give credit enough to where credit is due.
Speaker 2: That being our friend Newt Gingrich, he's the one who
Speaker 2: coined the term the Age of Transitions. He wrote an
Speaker 2: interesting essay back in the year two thousand, no less,
Speaker 2: I mean just the year of publication itself is like
Speaker 2: symbolic and interesting. The fact that this thing was written
Speaker 2: in the year two thousand one, year before two thousand
Speaker 2: and one, so it was pre nine to eleven up
Speaker 2: against the post that was the post nine to eleven world.
Speaker 2: There was a post right, it was leaning against that
Speaker 2: post on the other side. Which when we think of
Speaker 2: Gingrich as a person, I think he still retains that
Speaker 2: pre nine to eleven identity that he carved out for
Speaker 2: himself as Speaker of the House in the nineteen nineties
Speaker 2: during like Clinton years.
Speaker 1: We think of him.
Speaker 2: As that quintessential Republican of that era before the neocons
Speaker 2: Raus to prominence, right, it was before any of that
Speaker 2: even happened.
Speaker 1: He was like the.
Speaker 2: Template for the Republican conservative politician in DC on Capitol Hill,
Speaker 2: working Speaker of the House.
Speaker 1: He was that guy.
Speaker 2: So he was very sort of run of the mill,
Speaker 2: very generic in many ways. He exemplified a lot of
Speaker 2: the values ascribed to the Republican Party at that time, absolutely,
Speaker 2: which have changed very much over time and up to
Speaker 2: the present. We're not going to talk about all the
Speaker 2: changes that have occurred, but clearly I think everybody can
Speaker 2: see who's been around this song can see that the
Speaker 2: changes have happened and that we both parties have changed
Speaker 2: quite a bit in this amount of time. So if
Speaker 2: we're talking about the Age of Transitions, things changing, it's
Speaker 2: interesting to see the political the different political changes that
Speaker 2: have occurred in this case political parties, their values, and
Speaker 2: even the way that politicians do business present themselves. The
Speaker 2: presentation of politics has changed. Media has changed. That would
Speaker 2: go a long way, I would say, in explaining the
Speaker 2: changed presentations. So much digital media that has ramped up
Speaker 2: post y two K, right, because y two K was
Speaker 2: the year of the publication of the Age of Transitions
Speaker 2: essay that was the year that technology was supposed to
Speaker 2: just explode and go away and we were going to
Speaker 2: live in the Stone Age from here on out. That's
Speaker 2: not what hurt happened, is it. But just that mere
Speaker 2: idea was something pretty wild. So we made it beyond that,
Speaker 2: and not only did technology not go away, but it's
Speaker 2: more and more become an integral part to daily life,
Speaker 2: like life as we're living in each second, we're constantly online.
Speaker 2: Media is always online, and media is changing. And we
Speaker 2: may return to that point in a minute. But New
Speaker 2: Ginger has gone through some interesting changes himself. He was,
Speaker 2: you know, that very kind of bland Republican guy from
Speaker 2: the nineties Speaker of the House. But now it's fascinating
Speaker 2: to see where he's come because he was the first
Speaker 2: establishment Republican politician that I remember that endorsed Donald Trump
Speaker 2: when he was first running in twenty sixteen. That's my
Speaker 2: memory is that he was the first really big, old
Speaker 2: school Republican guys like, yeah, he's the new face of
Speaker 2: the Republican Party. This is what the Republican voter wants.
Speaker 2: This is what not just what the voter wants, this
Speaker 2: is what we need as a country. He is the
Speaker 2: embodiment of conservative values, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Now he was saying all that.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the point I was making that the party line
Speaker 2: had shifted and was certainly in a period of shifting
Speaker 2: rapidly as Trump and Maga rose to prominence in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen got elected.
Speaker 1: So it's just.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating to see mister Age of Transitions hop on
Speaker 2: that before it was a bandwagon and say, hey, look
Speaker 2: this is the future. He's doing the same thing with
Speaker 2: the Age of Transitions essay, where he talks about transhumanist technologies.
Speaker 1: He talks about all sorts.
Speaker 2: Of converging technologies, artificial intelligence, nanotech, all these things that
Speaker 2: the transium in is talk about all the things I
Speaker 2: talk about on this show in my book in the
Speaker 2: Age of Transitions video that I made all of these
Speaker 2: things about emerging technologies, converging technologies. Jingridge was there in
Speaker 2: two thousand and one at that NBIIC conference the Department
Speaker 2: of Commerce put on.
Speaker 1: He was at that. So he's somebody who very much
Speaker 1: in the Age.
Speaker 2: Of Transitions essay is like, look, this is the way
Speaker 2: that free market capitalism is going. This is the way
Speaker 2: that the American system needs to adapt itself to these
Speaker 2: technologies to be competitive in the world. But also, you know,
Speaker 2: the business capital world.
Speaker 1: Has to.
Speaker 2: Aggressively develop these technologies and integrate them into the governmental
Speaker 2: sector as well. So, as I recall, he does talk
Speaker 2: about that sort of public private symbiosis in that private
Speaker 2: industry has to developed these things and then share it
Speaker 2: with government, et cetera, et cetera. I should go back
Speaker 2: into the notes and look at that, maybe read the
Speaker 2: whole thing again. It's useful to read every now and
Speaker 2: again and see the particulars of that. But I do
Speaker 2: remember him saying that. But anyway, MAGA and MAGA is
Speaker 2: crazy that that became and it now is. The Republican
Speaker 2: Party is this thing that came up from out of
Speaker 2: the fringes, the alternative far right corners of yes online communities.
Speaker 1: All of the different.
Speaker 2: Ideas from there were brought in very purposely into the
Speaker 2: magasphere used as part of the campaign, the original twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen Donald Trump campaign, and used to great effect and
Speaker 2: contributed certainly to him winning the first time around. It
Speaker 2: wasn't the only thing that made him win, but it
Speaker 2: was a big part of It's a big part of
Speaker 2: what MAGA is is this response to the old guard
Speaker 2: system that is corrupt, right, drain the swamp to.
Speaker 1: Get rid of it.
Speaker 2: Here is this new, completely different sort of person that
Speaker 2: we're creating. He's not a politician, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he's a president. So don't think of him as a
Speaker 2: standard politician because he's not that. He's a businessman, right,
Speaker 2: business interesting, So you've got that, You've got to bring
Speaker 2: it back to the subconscious level. The electorate and the
Speaker 2: American people at large have this subconscious realization that we
Speaker 2: have not a politician president, but a businessman president. Now
Speaker 2: we could critique mister world's greatest businessman, but.
Speaker 1: That's beside the point.
Speaker 2: That's his identity, that's who he is, at least in
Speaker 2: the world of appearances. So that's all that matters when
Speaker 2: it comes to propaganda, public perception, that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: mass consciousness. So that was a significant move that occurred,
Speaker 2: and once again media communications, technology technologies, online media not
Speaker 2: only had a huge effect on the outcome of that election,
Speaker 2: but an outcome on the presentation of all politics and
Speaker 2: all political discourse from here on out. We're living in
Speaker 2: a different world from before. And then just as two
Speaker 2: thousand and one. September eleventh, two thousand and one was
Speaker 2: that post. There's many different posts for different sorts of
Speaker 2: things depending on what we're looking at. It at blendsing
Speaker 2: together into one giant continuum of history that we're living
Speaker 2: and through continue to do so. But here we are.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for the next election? Because it's less
Speaker 2: than a month away? And I apologize in advance. Part
Speaker 2: of me doesn't even want to acknowledge this and then
Speaker 2: talk about other, frankly more interesting things. But this is important.
Speaker 1: And we will talk about it.
Speaker 2: And I've I mean, I've been talking about the past
Speaker 2: year here and different ideas about it. I don't want
Speaker 2: to be labor a lot of stuff, I really don't.
Speaker 2: I want to try to give different points of view
Speaker 2: that I don't think I've really discussed yet. And there's
Speaker 2: things that have been on my mind that seem kind
Speaker 2: of obvious at this point. So I'm going to try
Speaker 2: to like address what seems to me to be an
Speaker 2: elephant in the room with this election, so we all know,
Speaker 2: as let me rephrase this, should say, remember remember the
Speaker 2: fifth of November, that's election day. Going back to one
Speaker 2: of our beloved Wachowski Films, which creates.
Speaker 1: That visual.
Speaker 2: The entire Maga movement uses this visuals from those various films,
Speaker 2: and the fringe online community has for over a decade now,
Speaker 2: a couple of decades at this point, has used the
Speaker 2: iconography from the Wachowski films and taking it on as
Speaker 2: their own. If we've mentioned this before, but the fifth
Speaker 2: of November is when the election takes place. Boy, we're
Speaker 2: gonna have a fun time. I hope you all have
Speaker 2: a party planned. I hope you know what live streamer
Speaker 2: you're gonna watch that night, because they're all gonna be
Speaker 2: on there. They're all gonna have their election watch parties.
Speaker 2: In fact, I can't believe I'm not truly recommending this,
Speaker 2: but I would say preemptively trying to find different people
Speaker 2: that you know are gonna be live streaming that thing
Speaker 2: and just you know, uh, make like organize like a
Speaker 2: little list, like Okay, we're gonna go back and forth
Speaker 2: between this person live streaming this person and this person,
Speaker 2: and you know you get to pick if do you
Speaker 2: want to see what the whole maga side has to say,
Speaker 2: and just pick different mega commentators because there's plenty of them,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be thousands of them live streaming, so maybe
Speaker 2: pick out a couple of them that you find interesting,
Speaker 2: or maybe you're a more eclectic your taste, so you're
Speaker 2: gonna oh, sure, we'll get a MAGA streamer, but we'll
Speaker 2: also get somebody on the other side of the AISLESO,
Speaker 2: maybe a streamer that's some left wing streamer, and then
Speaker 2: maybe you'll mix in even uh, you know, the three
Speaker 2: letter networks and stuff like that. I don't know, but anyway,
Speaker 2: that's something to look forward to. All the live streaming
Speaker 2: and the second by second coverage of it. But that's
Speaker 2: a whole lot of whatever. Really, what's going to be
Speaker 2: interesting is when the results come in, and I don't
Speaker 2: know which way it's gonna go.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 2: It seems like it could go either way. It really does.
Speaker 2: I could see either way happening, but I do have
Speaker 2: some ideas about what will happen.
Speaker 1: In either.
Speaker 2: It's important to see what people have already said, how
Speaker 2: they've described this election. It's been described as perhaps the
Speaker 2: last election that we'll have. Our democracy as we know
Speaker 2: it hangs in the balance that it may not exist afterwards.
Speaker 2: People have said this, this is all things that I've
Speaker 2: heard this is just sort of a you've heard it too,
Speaker 2: So we're just you know, going back in our own
Speaker 2: heads repeating these things that we've heard over and over
Speaker 2: and over and over the sole election process. So it's
Speaker 2: likely the end of democracy. Okay, it might be the
Speaker 2: last election we ever have, Okay, And a lot is
Speaker 2: just riding on this. So it's going to be a
Speaker 2: vastly different world depending on who gets in there, and
Speaker 2: it will be that it will be decidedly different going
Speaker 2: forward whoever gets in there. Now that is true, I
Speaker 2: do believe that that there's a difference between these two.
Speaker 2: It's kind of tempting, as you know, doing a show
Speaker 2: like this, to just say that's all the same. There
Speaker 2: are all a bunch of scumbags. It's all going to
Speaker 2: be horrible, and it will be horrible either way. There
Speaker 2: will be a different brand of horrible, There's no doubt
Speaker 2: about it. It's gonna be completely different situation. In one sense. However,
Speaker 2: there is one tie that binds that I see between this,
Speaker 2: no matter what the result is, and that is the
Speaker 2: fact that immediately after the election results are in and
Speaker 2: we know what the result is, when that comes in
Speaker 2: as a certainty.
Speaker 1: This is the winner.
Speaker 2: Be certain is uncertainty because in any case the other
Speaker 2: side is.
Speaker 1: Going to.
Speaker 2: Call foul and say the election was this election was stolen,
Speaker 2: or this election the results are in question because we
Speaker 2: had this and this and this, and of course that's
Speaker 2: gonna happen if Trump goes in there. I mean that
Speaker 2: of course, as we did last time. Was so he's
Speaker 2: gonna do again. We understand that that's not even that's
Speaker 2: a no brainer. And he's been talking about this the
Speaker 2: whole time. They complain about this on TV that I go.
Speaker 2: He's he's saying it's gonna contest the results. He's already
Speaker 2: setting things up. Yes, of course, yeah, that's what he does.
Speaker 2: That's what he will do. That's gonna be a whole
Speaker 2: lot of fun right where. We're looking forward to it,
Speaker 2: we know. But what's what I haven't really seen. There
Speaker 2: must be somebody to just point this out, but I
Speaker 2: haven't noticed it yet. But absolutely, if Trump wins, people
Speaker 2: on the left will be complaining, like, look, Republicans were
Speaker 2: going in in these different states and suppressing votes and
Speaker 2: doing all these different things to make sure that less
Speaker 2: votes come in on the Democratic side than they would
Speaker 2: have if they weren't going in and there were all
Speaker 2: sorts of different initiatives set up where yes, Republicans went
Speaker 2: in to change things so that so that would happen.
Speaker 2: There's so many different stories. I don't have any of
Speaker 2: them in front of me, but that is something that
Speaker 2: has happened. If Donald Trump wins, that will be brought
Speaker 2: out by people on the left. They will say, hey,
Speaker 2: look we need to look at this, and and there
Speaker 2: will be varying degrees to which people are bringing this up.
Speaker 2: There'll be varying degrees to which people are, you know,
Speaker 2: really harping on this. But as you can imagine, people
Speaker 2: are going to be very worked up about the results
Speaker 2: of this election. If Trump gets in, it's a big deal.
Speaker 2: So there's gonna be a lot of strong feelings where
Speaker 2: people are going to want to push this. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: look we have to like look into this, we have
Speaker 2: to do something. So let's think about that situation Trump wins,
Speaker 2: people on the left and going hey, look this could
Speaker 2: have been stolen. Other people are going, hey, look it
Speaker 2: was stolen. Look at this, Look at this, look at this. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's going on. Meanwhile, the Transision team, the Project
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five transition team is doing what it does.
Speaker 2: Trump is ready to get sworn back in in January. Uh,
Speaker 2: what is he? What is that crowd gonna be saying,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be going it was not stolen.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And not only are they gonna be say no, there's
Speaker 2: no way it was stolen. Of course we won. There's
Speaker 2: no way that we could have lost. But they're going
Speaker 2: to point out the hypocrisy from the other side, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, hey, remember when we said that
Speaker 2: the election was stolen the last time around, when Trump
Speaker 2: lost and and and we were telling you over and
Speaker 2: over and over it was stolen, it was stolen.
Speaker 1: It's on.
Speaker 2: Everybody said we were crazy, everybody said we were evil.
Speaker 2: And look look at things now, look at how the
Speaker 2: tide has turned. And now you're we expect you expect
Speaker 2: us to sit here and say, oh, yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: do you see you catch my drift?
Speaker 1: Right? I just there's no way that is not happening.
Speaker 2: If Donald Trump wins, absolutely that is gonna happen, and
Speaker 2: it's gonna feed into all sorts of insanity. It's not
Speaker 2: it's gonna be horrible, and it's gonna be crazy to
Speaker 2: see the Maga crowd go like, yeah, no, not stolen.
Speaker 2: You're a bunch of hypocrites. It was stolen for us,
Speaker 2: it's not stolen for you. It'll be fascinating to see
Speaker 2: if this if this does occur, it's not a given,
Speaker 2: but if it does, it'll be fascinating to see the
Speaker 2: interplay of what the Maga crowd does, like, see, we
Speaker 2: told you so before, but also, no, you're wrong, this
Speaker 2: one wasn't stolen, and we have to we this time
Speaker 2: have to ensure the peaceful transfer of power, Like that's
Speaker 2: what you were all about, So we're we're gonna do
Speaker 2: the peaceful transfer power.
Speaker 1: They'll probably use that line.
Speaker 2: Like look, we're going through with a peaceful transfer of power,
Speaker 2: and they may use those tropes from the previous time
Speaker 2: around and use that in that transitional period. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: Trump's coming in, we have to make sure that our
Speaker 2: democracy is upheld, and like the you know, all of
Speaker 2: our time on our traditions and all this stuff that
Speaker 2: we've heard before, they will use that. Meanwhile, just going
Speaker 2: going to town, like all of these crazy people on
Speaker 2: the left saying it was stolen, it's ridiculous. It's untrue.
Speaker 2: Then when the new guy gets in there, this issue
Speaker 2: doesn't go away as it did with January sixth the
Speaker 2: other time around, and it's sort of culminated, I guess
Speaker 2: you could say in that event. I think similarly it
Speaker 2: will culminate in the left having an outburst that when
Speaker 2: I imagine it, it will be the replay of what
Speaker 2: everybody complained about in the post George Floyd Black Lives
Speaker 2: Matter thing, where the claim from the right was, oh,
Speaker 2: there's all these people in the street destroying every city
Speaker 2: in the nation. There's chaos looking at protesting. They're not
Speaker 2: even protesting over anything, first of all, but second of all,
Speaker 2: they're out there destroying a bunch of buildings. They're starting fires, raping, pillaging, looting,
Speaker 2: societies collapsing, crime rampant. These people are lawless, they're insane,
Speaker 2: they're out of their minds. They have to be stopped.
Speaker 2: That will happen, and it will be at that point.
Speaker 2: What you need to look at is to see the
Speaker 2: incoming administration, what they do, how they jive with law enforcement,
Speaker 2: because they've been talking about Trump has been talking about
Speaker 2: this since before he was even running in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: that the law and order thing and the concept that
Speaker 2: you know, we should be able to do this in
Speaker 2: this in this country. But by we, he means the authorities,
Speaker 2: police security. Anybody with a gun, a badge, and authority
Speaker 2: to block the public, the general public up. Anybody in
Speaker 2: that position should be given more authority to be more ruthless,
Speaker 2: more strong. We need a strong law enforcement to ensure
Speaker 2: law and order is done here in the United States.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing to look for in that situation
Speaker 2: to see what Because there is all sorts of different
Speaker 2: individuals within law enforcement agencies already that are very much
Speaker 2: wanting to side. They're very much on the MAGA side.
Speaker 2: If you're talking about sheriffs that are elected and things
Speaker 2: like this, there are maga ones that have been elected
Speaker 2: on a mega ticket themselves. We have a famous one
Speaker 2: here in Riverside, California. You might know his name. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to even mention it right now. You don't
Speaker 2: think that guy's chomping at the bit to start busting
Speaker 2: heads in the streets, start just dragging people in, especially
Speaker 2: if there's all sorts of lawlessness and riots everywhere, all
Speaker 2: under these false pretenses of them claiming that the election
Speaker 2: was stolen which it clearly was not. This political rest
Speaker 2: is dangerous and it could end democracy. In order to
Speaker 2: save our republic, we need to go out and be
Speaker 2: stronger with our law and order. So that is something
Speaker 2: absolutely looked for. I don't know if that is going
Speaker 2: to be the result. As you're saying, it could go
Speaker 2: the other way and Harris could win, and in that case,
Speaker 2: what's going to happen the obvious, as you're saying, the
Speaker 2: other side is gonna say it was stolen again, and
Speaker 2: then that will play itself out in it's own version
Speaker 2: of chaos and craziness, which we've already seen, but it
Speaker 2: will not be exactly the same as it was the
Speaker 2: first time around. I don't even know or to start
Speaker 2: predicting making predictions on that end. But the that side
Speaker 2: of the equation isn't just gonna go away and just
Speaker 2: accept defeat. We know that much, so I guess long
Speaker 2: story short, we all have a lot to look forward
Speaker 2: to it. It's gonna be a real fun time coming
Speaker 2: up here on the fifth of November. We certainly will
Speaker 2: remember remember if only we could forget. We don't have
Speaker 2: that option, we don't have that luxury. We're all forced
Speaker 2: into this. We all have to deal with this now,
Speaker 2: it's everybody's problem. But democracy on the line interesting and
Speaker 2: the last election that's ever going to occur. In any
Speaker 2: given scenario, you're gonna have so many upset people that
Speaker 2: are just sick of the entire thing.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 2: Franchised with the system, the American government, the political process,
Speaker 2: the electoral process, that there's.
Speaker 1: Going to be.
Speaker 2: Desire to alter the entire thing. I do think that
Speaker 2: that is going to happen. It has been happening. If
Speaker 2: we're looking back over these decades once again, we see
Speaker 2: the changes of our time and just the general sentiment
Speaker 2: about the American political system as a whole. Nobody's happy
Speaker 2: with it. Nobody's happy with our system of government. Clearly
Speaker 2: everything is out of hand. The average person just is
Speaker 2: losing so much and has lost so much over a
Speaker 2: short span of time that we can see that we
Speaker 2: have to do something, say hey, look what the how
Speaker 2: much more can we take out here? And so different
Speaker 2: options being out there, I think people are going to
Speaker 2: be open to them. I don't know what the heck
Speaker 2: they're going to be exactly, but I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: just it's been it's been wild to see the disenfranchisement
Speaker 2: of the average person. The yes, once again, the mainstreaming
Speaker 2: of sort of conspiracy culture ideas have been completely mainstreamed
Speaker 2: across the board. You get all sorts of different news
Speaker 2: stories that just pop up now.
Speaker 1: And they have it seems like.
Speaker 2: The original Trump election. I think that's a post that
Speaker 2: we haven't fully reckoned or come to terms with. But
Speaker 2: if I may be so bold, I'm going to attempt
Speaker 2: to now. I think that post there was the one
Speaker 2: in which once we passed it, those ideas which were
Speaker 2: once seen as fringe, once seen as conspiracy, once scene
Speaker 2: as lunatic, that only the fodder for maniacs who are
Speaker 2: terminally online and out of their damn minds. Only people
Speaker 2: like that were into this material. No, we've gone past
Speaker 2: the post where all that material is just regular common
Speaker 2: knowledge everybody at least knows of it. Looks like Chuck
Speaker 2: has some prompts with his dog, So I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: hear that. Chuck, do whatever you have to when you're
Speaker 2: in there, take care of your dog. I'm good to
Speaker 2: go here on the show and everything's okay. But yes,
Speaker 2: after that point, it's the mainstreaming of conspiracy material and
Speaker 2: really what do you get? What is the result of
Speaker 2: going down the rabbit hole and coming out the other
Speaker 2: side if you even ever do that. Many people never do,
Speaker 2: which is a problem in and of itself. But what
Speaker 2: happens even when somebody dips their toes in gets the
Speaker 2: gist of just about everything, because it's all usually just
Speaker 2: thrown together in one weird format like the qan On
Speaker 2: things like let's throw every conspiracy wacker doodle idea you've
Speaker 2: ever heard, throw it in a one place and jumble
Speaker 2: it all together, mix it all together. It's like this
Speaker 2: is one big thing. And you know, for the quene
Speaker 2: On people, that's their life, that's what they live for,
Speaker 2: their binding the evidence of it all the time.
Speaker 1: Just takes one post uh online for them to get going.
Speaker 2: But for the average person, we've heard all of this.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows about all these things. The Epstein story came
Speaker 2: out during the Trump years. That was something that was
Speaker 2: the fact that that became a mainstream story was really
Speaker 2: wild because that exemplifies so much of this sort of
Speaker 2: out there concept that there is a the elite segment
Speaker 2: of the population of people who are power brokers. They
Speaker 2: have influence either politically, in business, or both entertainment. They're
Speaker 2: involved in that world. They're big shots, they are elites,
Speaker 2: and they have this subversive insider world where they're doing
Speaker 2: really terrible things. Well, the dog is falling down and
Speaker 2: he tries to stand up. He's crying, Oh my goodness. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll take care of it, Chuck. As I said, everything's
Speaker 2: fine here, don't even worry about it. So so everybody
Speaker 2: is sort of on the same page now, not really.
Speaker 2: We all have our own little versions and yeah, you're left,
Speaker 2: you're right, whatever. Everybody has their own take on things,
Speaker 2: which is fine. So not only is it fascinating that
Speaker 2: this has occurred, that this mainstreaming of these really wild
Speaker 2: out there ideas has occurred, but there is a definite
Speaker 2: consequence of that. One of those things is that this
Speaker 2: has just rolled into all sorts of different propaganda campaigns
Speaker 2: that are weaponized against us. And absolutely, when you're interacting
Speaker 2: with a sort of when you're on this territory now
Speaker 2: more than ever, you always have to be careful.
Speaker 1: It was always a mess.
Speaker 2: Frankly, it may have always been more trouble that it's worth.
Speaker 2: But you're really in the long in the long view
Speaker 2: of things. But it's not getting any easier or any
Speaker 2: better for us, just the average person who's trying to
Speaker 2: to educate themselves and understand how the world works, because
Speaker 2: absolutely the stuff is being used as a weapon against
Speaker 2: us now from all different angles. It's used shrewdly. In
Speaker 2: the political world, certainly by the mega political tickets uses
Speaker 2: this as their points by which they run their campaign,
Speaker 2: either explicitly or implicitly, usually explicitly. So they very much
Speaker 2: are telling you, look, we are going to take care
Speaker 2: of your pet issues, which are you know, go down
Speaker 2: the list of pet issues which previously refringe now they're not.
Speaker 2: That is in the mainstream now. And any of those
Speaker 2: issues that are legitimate, I'm not even going to delegitimize
Speaker 2: any of them because all of them at least have
Speaker 2: an element of truth.
Speaker 1: Any given.
Speaker 2: Topic that we might address, we could address, all of
Speaker 2: it is at least based in reality. Okay, The issue
Speaker 2: is how are those issues used, How.
Speaker 1: Are they.
Speaker 2: Thrown together, what other sort of concepts ideas information, what
Speaker 2: sort of general purpose are they being put toward. Are
Speaker 2: are they being put toward actually finding solutions to these
Speaker 2: different issues? Are they more so just being used to
Speaker 2: rile up a population, which yes, has been disenfranchised by
Speaker 2: a corrupt system which is giving everything to more and
Speaker 2: more a tiny minority, and creating advance for large, large
Speaker 2: capital groups just to come in and make more money.
Speaker 2: Clearly the system is set up to do that. So yes,
Speaker 2: of course the average person is upset wanting to do something.
Speaker 1: But to what end?
Speaker 2: What is the purpose of all this? And this is
Speaker 2: the question I've been asking over and over all these years,
Speaker 2: and looking at the dark side of this, seeing what
Speaker 2: side of the conspiracy is the conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Against all of us?
Speaker 2: How is this weaponized and used as a tool of
Speaker 2: dissolution in the alchemical sense, to break down the old system,
Speaker 2: to dissolve it so that it may alchemically be melted
Speaker 2: down in the crucible, only to be recast into something
Speaker 2: else later. What is that something else? It remains to
Speaker 2: be seen. How much later We don't know. We don't
Speaker 2: know where we are in this process. Presumably there's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot of rapid sort of ups and downs.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be very The heat in this alchemical laboratory
Speaker 2: is very high. The flames are burning ever hotter, and
Speaker 2: the prima materia is that what happens when something gets hot, Right,
Speaker 2: It's interesting to see the metaphor of alchemy and how
Speaker 2: it does relate to the natural world. But also, yeah,
Speaker 2: what happens when water gets hot? It boils and it
Speaker 2: literally starts moving quickly. It's not much if you just
Speaker 2: kind of like when you actually look at that metaphor
Speaker 2: and you understand the practical reality of Yes, water gets hot.
Speaker 2: It's hot, and it's literally moving moving quickly because it
Speaker 2: is hot, and the fast movement creates all sorts of
Speaker 2: crazy situations. For one thing, danger You can't get burned
Speaker 2: by this liquid, which previously you just put your hand in.
Speaker 2: Now don't even try because you're gonna get burned by it.
Speaker 2: So it's a volatile it's been turned into a volatile,
Speaker 2: rapidly moving, rapidly changing, dangerous substance.
Speaker 1: And yes, it might.
Speaker 2: Not mean anything, but I just always find those sorts
Speaker 2: of concepts pretty wild and I think useful. To me,
Speaker 2: it means something. It's funny to see how symbolic literacy
Speaker 2: and understanding the deeper sides of occult concepts sort of
Speaker 2: felter the cracks the whole time when we were supposed
Speaker 2: to be pointed towards those topics. All we get is
Speaker 2: the occult means that Satan is here. We're supposed to
Speaker 2: believe that because it doesn't mean anything. You don't have
Speaker 2: to use your mind. Your mind doesn't even work. When
Speaker 2: you're just bringing it to that level, you're being reduced
Speaker 2: to a moron, which is useful to any propagandist who
Speaker 2: wants to have their way with you and steer you
Speaker 2: toward I don't know, maybe a pot of boiling water
Speaker 2: and drop you right in may become one giant American soup.
Speaker 2: Is that what's coming up for us in the coming
Speaker 2: months or years. Our country is going to be made
Speaker 2: into a stew Maybe, so I suppose it would be
Speaker 2: useful to point out that getting hot and bothered isn't
Speaker 2: going to help anything.
Speaker 1: And that's real easy to say.
Speaker 2: And I realize that I can say this and even
Speaker 2: I will get caught up in so many things. But
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to remind myself not too more often
Speaker 2: than not. And we'll see what we can do about
Speaker 2: that as things get wild and crazy. But maybe it
Speaker 2: won't be so bad. Maybe we're reading a little too
Speaker 2: much into this. Maybe all this talk about the end
Speaker 2: of democracy, is itself just a big propaganda push that
Speaker 2: we shouldn't even be putting any merit in hard to say,
Speaker 2: per certain, but uh, yeah, we have a lot. We
Speaker 2: have a lot going on, my goodness gracious. So yeah,
Speaker 2: along the same lines of the Epstein story coming out,
Speaker 2: just recently we had the p Diddy story that's breaking news.
Speaker 2: So that's just another example of Hey, look, these concepts
Speaker 2: which were again lunatic fringe just were years ago, are
Speaker 2: now just common knowledge. And presumably we're gonna get ants
Speaker 2: to these questions if this ever goes to court, that
Speaker 2: remains to be seen. But if Diddy goes to court,
Speaker 2: evidence is brought forward, judgments are made, would be fascinating
Speaker 2: to see what.
Speaker 1: Comes out of that trial.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, yeah, this evidence was entered in, this
Speaker 2: was ered in, this was earned in, and this was
Speaker 2: the verdict.
Speaker 1: He was guilty on this charge. He was guilty on
Speaker 1: this church.
Speaker 2: He's guilty on this charge, and this is all the
Speaker 2: evidence that was stacked up against him. Pretty fascinating to
Speaker 2: see that, to see that happen. And I think that's
Speaker 2: another aspect of the decaying Old world that we see
Speaker 2: are our old world's crumbling all around us, no matter,
Speaker 2: there's nothing we can do about that.
Speaker 1: We are in the midst of that.
Speaker 2: And I think that whole Diddy story, I think what
Speaker 2: we're seeing there an interesting thing to pull out of
Speaker 2: that is the destruction and the disposal of the old
Speaker 2: icons of the old entertainment and media system as we
Speaker 2: knew it. He's a fascinating guy because he came up
Speaker 2: around that same time that I was referencing in the
Speaker 2: year two thousand and then into posts nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: He came to prominence at that time, and I think
Speaker 2: that's feltworthy.
Speaker 1: You know a couple of things, Aaron, I want to
Speaker 1: drop on you right here at the end, because you
Speaker 1: got my mind swirling. You know. On the one hand,
Speaker 1: there is the and appreciate your sentiment about the dogs.
Speaker 1: There's something weird going on with him. I can't sort
Speaker 1: it out, but anyways, but weird thing you got my
Speaker 1: mind swirling about is I'm listening to you. Is that
Speaker 1: on the one hand, the crazy, easiest of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: I brought this up on the call in show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of the craziest of conspiracy theories that we used
Speaker 1: to hear about on fringe radio, fringe, internet radio. It
Speaker 1: turned out to be true, right, and they fuel part
Speaker 1: of this conspiracy industry that's out there that has gone
Speaker 1: way crazy, Like you brought up George Floyd. And of
Speaker 1: course there's the standard, oh, the whole country was on fire,
Speaker 1: but even though that wasn't true, there's that end of it,
Speaker 1: and then there's the real crazy You have you heard
Speaker 1: about the real crazy conspiracy stuff regarding George Floyd.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not sure what you mean, Chuck.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna say, of course when I say this,
Speaker 1: but how about it was all faked?
Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about the George Floyd incident with his death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his death, the video, all of it was faked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's standard. Fair with any given news story,
Speaker 2: there's always somebody saying it was fake, it was an
Speaker 2: actor putting up a scene because fill in the blank
Speaker 2: that any news thing is always like that.
Speaker 1: But being that it's a right wing thing that is
Speaker 1: pissing off the right wing, you figure they would leave
Speaker 1: it alone. But no, there is a contingent out there
Speaker 1: that wants to say it was all stage, none of
Speaker 1: it was real. You know, George Floyd was an actor,
Speaker 1: you know, the same people that came out and said, oh,
Speaker 1: that guy is actually from the cash Cab. Remember that
Speaker 1: they said that one of the cops was actually the
Speaker 1: cash Cab comedian.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, well this is standard fair two.
Speaker 2: Of course you said that, I know, but okay, okay,
Speaker 2: But anyway, but there is a contingency out there that
Speaker 2: swears that there is that it was all fakery. There's
Speaker 2: nothing real there.
Speaker 1: It was just staged. It was a total crisis actor thing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we're used to that, but it's a weird
Speaker 1: one to hit. Usually they don't hit something like this.
Speaker 1: It's always got to be you know, it's a school shooting.
Speaker 1: It's not a real guy. He's mk mind controlled, you know.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the weird thing is that the most far
Speaker 1: out crazy crap gets proven true, and people should be
Speaker 1: able to celebrate that and say, look, you know you
Speaker 1: were calling us crazy a few years ago. This stuff
Speaker 1: is true. A bunch of things you and I used
Speaker 1: to talk about have come to be just oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's common knowledge now. But the weird thing is they
Speaker 1: still push way beyond it. It's still way crazier than that.
Speaker 1: And a whole lot of people that were out there
Speaker 1: saying that to begin with, are not even coming back
Speaker 1: around going see I was proven right. That's odd. Yeah
Speaker 1: you're sure about that.
Speaker 2: There are people praying around like, look, we're right, We're
Speaker 2: always right, because I feel like that's a trip to
Speaker 2: Jones is always said that I'm always right about everything.
Speaker 1: I said this, I remember, that's just him. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that there were a lot of people. Remember
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle said, you know what, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: weird stuff going on. I went to Africa. Yeah I
Speaker 1: got away, but they tried to, you know, do a
Speaker 1: character assassination on me, and that was all true. That
Speaker 1: was really bizarre, the stuff they did to Dave Chappelle
Speaker 1: and the way they manipulated entertainers. But then people get
Speaker 1: into a deeper, darker thing and they go, you know
Speaker 1: why they just black men and drag all the time? Right,
Speaker 1: it's too take away their masculinity all that stuff, And
Speaker 1: they say it's tied to exactly this kind of stuff
Speaker 1: like p Diddy is allegedly has abused was abusing Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber and all kinds like all of the wildest stuff
Speaker 1: that people used to talk about, right, except they used
Speaker 1: to point the gun at Disney. It was always Disney
Speaker 1: is this big, you know, sex factory where they just
Speaker 1: you know, put people through ritual abuse and it's all
Speaker 1: satanic and Disney satanic and well, none of that stuff
Speaker 1: turns out to be true. But some elements in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry were involved in some serious debauchery. And again
Speaker 1: now P Diddy rose up through the nineties and they
Speaker 1: you know, and this is the thing that that BP
Speaker 1: brings up on the show, and I think it's a
Speaker 1: great point is if they get deep enough into P.
Speaker 1: Diddy's criminality, I wonder if there's anything that is going
Speaker 1: to bring us around to maybe the Tupac murder, because now,
Speaker 1: think about it, if he was you know, if he
Speaker 1: was just a goofball who was out there looking stupid
Speaker 1: and running around and you know, a custom made you know,
Speaker 1: sports jerseys, right, because that was his big thing. He
Speaker 1: was out there dancing around everybody's video and he was
Speaker 1: remixing everything.
Speaker 2: And yes, yeah, it was almost a question of like
Speaker 2: what is this guy even doing, Like what's his is
Speaker 2: is he a rapper?
Speaker 1: Producer? Is he a producer? He's got the making the band,
Speaker 1: the TV show all of a sudden, he's got TV shows,
Speaker 1: He's a superstar, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where'd he come from? What's he doing? I don't
Speaker 2: understand this. All of this whole machine is like trl
Speaker 2: MTV and it was on gets all wrapped into one
Speaker 2: giant presentation. It's all very cranny, it's all very stupid
Speaker 2: looking and in the media that nobody will care when
Speaker 2: it's turned in the trash.
Speaker 1: He's garbage to begin with. And even though he wrapped
Speaker 1: a bunch of gangster like guys, he wasn't a gangster, right.
Speaker 1: He was the goofy pop guy, and he launched his
Speaker 1: whole career off of the corpse of Christopher Wallace, who
Speaker 1: everybody else knows is Biggie Small's or the notorious Big Yes.
Speaker 1: And now people wonder, you know, hey, did he have that?
Speaker 1: Did he have Christopher Wallace murdered? How about did what
Speaker 1: about this? Tupac and Biggie both of them unsolved murders? Right?
Speaker 1: We had the recent thing couple about a year or
Speaker 1: two ago. Keithy D finally comes out and says, oh,
Speaker 1: I was in the car when we went to go
Speaker 1: to Tupac and he wouldn't give up the name of
Speaker 1: the other guy. And that was the headline for a
Speaker 1: minute and then it went away. And meanwhile, there's been
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory about Tupac and Biggie Smalls forever. Right. Tupac
Speaker 1: supposedly still alive. He released more music after his death.
Speaker 3: D D.
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, though, this is like a weird pop
Speaker 1: culture kind of twisted thing that has gone on. And
Speaker 1: there is also, let's be honest, you and I are
Speaker 1: you know, basically were considered white guys. There's also the
Speaker 1: black conspiracy theory, uh community, Oh yeah, yeah, that's which
Speaker 1: nich has always exist. He always has, I mean, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you. When when h what's his name? Uh,
Speaker 1: the guy who was you know, the radio guy. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, why a Bill Cooper. When Bill Cooper put
Speaker 1: out his Behold a Pale Horse book, right, it was
Speaker 1: one of the most popular books in penitentiaries. Yes, massive conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Black guys and penitentiaries were reading Bill Cooper more than
Speaker 1: any white guy ever has, okay, in prisons, and they were,
Speaker 1: you know, getting into all of it because for years
Speaker 1: they had said the symbols on various products were, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we're meant to program people against black people.
Speaker 1: Were meant to be racist symbols. Marlborough as the clan. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Snapple, the Snapple bottle, that those are slave ships. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know everything right.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: They have soda out there which is going to turn
Speaker 1: around and uh what was it? It neuters black men, right,
Speaker 1: and it renders them stale? Uh sterol. Excuse me, I
Speaker 1: cann't get the word out sterile.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: All that stuff that was real, Church's chicken poisons black people, right,
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff like this. They had different
Speaker 1: things against products which I quite honestly thought their competition
Speaker 1: was launching against them. You know, why do black men
Speaker 1: drink so much grape soda? They've been programmed to drink it.
Speaker 1: Why do they all smoke menthols? Oh it's a thing,
Speaker 1: it's a mind control thing, etc. They have a deep
Speaker 1: hidden conspiracy thing that they only discuss amongst themselves mainly.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I mean, go ahead and
Speaker 1: try and find, you know, a black guy to talk
Speaker 1: to you about this. You'll be hard pressed. But it's
Speaker 1: a real thing and it exists. Okay, But meanwhile, the
Speaker 1: stuff that gets proven correct, the stuff that is actually real,
Speaker 1: is crazier than any of that, and the guys who
Speaker 1: even were on it originally don't come around to own
Speaker 1: it except Alex Jones, who, no matter what has said,
Speaker 1: always says he was right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even when he didn't talk about it, he said
Speaker 2: that he did, and he said that he's right.
Speaker 1: A back, right. He predicted nine to eleven, supposedly right.
Speaker 1: He didn't predict nine eleven. Bill Cooper said some crap
Speaker 1: about nine to eleven ahead of nine to eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Alex Jones co opted Bill Cooper and then turned
Speaker 1: around into famed him, called him a drunk and said
Speaker 1: he was just you know, some jerk and everything else,
Speaker 1: even though Bill Cooper is the originator of what Alex
Speaker 1: Jones does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he went out in the fashion that
Speaker 2: everybody sort of romanticizes in that world, with like the
Speaker 2: law enforcement coming and gunning him down, which is Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another wild thing is the guy was shot dead by
Speaker 1: you know, these cops and everything. Weird situation, you know,
Speaker 1: on his property, you know, and he's again another guy
Speaker 1: was part of the patriot movement, you know, and there's
Speaker 1: something to it. There's something to that, but I can't
Speaker 1: put my hands around it entirely, you know, did Bill
Speaker 1: Cooper know any of the real deep dark secrets.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: Bill Cooper was selling the wrong end of a lot
Speaker 1: of things, including you know, the driver shot Kennedy, all
Speaker 1: kinds of nonsense which he pushed.
Speaker 2: And he ma, can't it. He's like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: was on the alien stuff before. I'm sorry. That was
Speaker 2: obviously misinformation. So he went back and forth with things too.
Speaker 1: I mean when I saw him in person in I
Speaker 1: think it was around ninety four ninety five, I went
Speaker 1: from Jersey down to Georgia. It was like one of
Speaker 1: the first times I'd ever been to Georgia. And we
Speaker 1: went to go see him at like this high school.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, Like he actually would go to he
Speaker 1: went to weird places to do his presentations where he'd
Speaker 1: show his Kennedy video and then he'd show all these
Speaker 1: documents he said he had. Yeah, he's in the middle
Speaker 1: of showing us documents that are supposedly legit alien secret documents.
Speaker 1: You know, the government's hiding aliens from you, and there's
Speaker 1: bases on the moon and all this kind of crazy crap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in the middle of him explaining it and showing
Speaker 1: you the document, he'd say, here's the document. Then he
Speaker 1: would tell you that he knows the documents are fake,
Speaker 1: and then he would move like it was the weirdest
Speaker 1: thing to watch. It was like, you see this, look,
Speaker 1: it's a legitimate thing. This is what the government's hiding,
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. Oh and also this documents are fake.
Speaker 1: Moving on, here's a picture this has been here's the moon.
Speaker 1: There's a base on the moon. He shows you this
Speaker 1: thing there's like a whole city inside of craters in
Speaker 1: the moon and all this stuff, and then he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know it's a manipulated photograph, Like okay, he
Speaker 1: was telling you both things in person right there. And
Speaker 1: somebody told me that there's a videotape of this somewhere,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if it exists or maybe it's
Speaker 1: another presentation. There has to be.
Speaker 2: There has to be so many videos of him, if
Speaker 2: only people would like their home cameras or VHS cameras
Speaker 2: that were like, I'm gonna go see both, Cooper, I'm
Speaker 2: winning videotape it.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: I saw guys with video cameras there, so I know
Speaker 1: that video was taken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, And honestly that stuff would have value now,
Speaker 2: so I don't know who out there has that sort
Speaker 2: of thing, but I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I don't know. It might be up on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody's decided to sell it by now, because
Speaker 1: at one point, you remember, conspiracy videos were one of
Speaker 1: the most popular things on the Internet. We've talked about
Speaker 1: the you know, the obsolete man and our friend there
Speaker 1: who used to manufacture them in masks so you can
Speaker 1: hand them out for cheap. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a whole interesting time and phenomenon in
Speaker 2: and of itself, without a doubt, But those we're not
Speaker 2: in that time anymore.
Speaker 1: We're in a time of just like everything is just
Speaker 1: always online. There's the physical media.
Speaker 2: Everything is streaming, everything's on YouTube, everything's on YouTube video,
Speaker 2: everything's on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Everything's mashed up together.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 1: That's the amazing thing is I don't know how to
Speaker 1: classify the transitional period we're in now. We're in a
Speaker 1: constant age of transition. I even found your video on
Speaker 1: some website. I put it in the chat room, by
Speaker 1: the way, I don't even know if you know your
Speaker 1: videos On these other websites, people have grabbed up other
Speaker 1: people's material and put it elsewhere, and you've got no
Speaker 1: control over it. Like, unless you're one of these major corporations,
Speaker 1: you can't be hitting people for copyright strikes, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't have the AI system that goes
Speaker 2: out and pulls all this stuff from various channels.
Speaker 1: It's on Youah No, but I guarantee you there's people
Speaker 1: making money off of your work.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, they always have and now they're
Speaker 2: able to do it more. Yeah, I'm sure it's probably
Speaker 2: people use it for TikTok videos and stuff. Probably maybe,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's probably at least in pieces like
Speaker 2: use like a little clip of it or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even been on TikTok. Well, look, ultimately,
Speaker 1: I've made your show run over time, but I just
Speaker 1: want one of these days for you to come up
Speaker 1: with a new term. Yeah, we're always in an age
Speaker 1: of transition, that's true, but we have to name these
Speaker 1: different transitional periods because you got to admit the time
Speaker 1: when you and I were handing out DVDs was one
Speaker 1: time period, the time in which it was difficult and
Speaker 1: we had to manufacture VHS tapes, which I'm a little
Speaker 1: older than you, so you might have not done that,
Speaker 1: but where we actually had to manufacture v D tapes
Speaker 1: on our own and you're sitting there, you know, using
Speaker 1: two different VCRs and trying to sink them up, you know,
Speaker 1: to make your copies of stuff and all that.
Speaker 2: You know what, that might be a useful project to
Speaker 2: like make a visual sort of timeline of this sort
Speaker 2: of stuff and like classify these different periods and these
Speaker 2: different activities, like give them actual classifications, make graphics, make timelines.
Speaker 1: That could be a useful project now that you mentioned it,
Speaker 1: and maybe talk to a couple older I think this
Speaker 1: would be great for like your Patreon or some new
Speaker 1: YouTube video for you, would be to like talk to
Speaker 1: some older people that pre exist you or me, right,
Speaker 1: you know, talk to me a little bit about the
Speaker 1: time period just before you, but talk to a couple
Speaker 1: other guys about like the time in the seventies and
Speaker 1: eighties when people were manufacturing were literally like printing their
Speaker 1: own books, you know, and creating.
Speaker 2: What did they call them back then, the binder like
Speaker 2: the binder ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a name for that though there was
Speaker 1: something that they called them something, but they were like
Speaker 1: one off books. And even Howard Weisberg, who had regular
Speaker 1: published books, turned around and started making copies of his
Speaker 1: own books in his house because the book companies would
Speaker 1: no longer seriously if you sent them way to Howard
Speaker 1: Weisberg and I got one of them and he literally
Speaker 1: like laminated the outer cover.
Speaker 2: Yes, but you could tell it was a homemade job.
Speaker 2: You know, they called a monographs cheap. It's very cheap
Speaker 2: and homemade. But in a way, I mean, those things
Speaker 2: are a piece of history. If anybody cares about.
Speaker 1: It, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean it seems like a niche sort of interest,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, I also view it as
Speaker 2: an important aspect of history.
Speaker 1: That's my pointy on ow. It's like the Internet of things.
Speaker 1: Before there was an internet, you know, is something people
Speaker 1: distributed tapes, like I've talked about the May Brussel tapes
Speaker 1: and Bill Cooper's tapes, and you know, there were people
Speaker 1: that were tape traders, and I did that in the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, but some people did that in the
Speaker 1: seventies when cassette tapes were a little more expensive. You know,
Speaker 1: you couldn't buy them at the dollar store stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and people distributed what they called monographs. That's a name
Speaker 1: for it where you called it, yeah, and people had
Speaker 1: flyers and pamphlets. Pamphleting was a thing sixties and seventy.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that rarefied or controversial information
Speaker 1: or underground information, conspiracy theory, all of these things were
Speaker 1: distributed in the best technology at the time, and every
Speaker 1: single time that technology shifted, it represents a different age
Speaker 1: of transition. Like in other words, there's not just one
Speaker 1: age of transition. There's various ages. And you know, you
Speaker 1: could call the one section of at the monograph time,
Speaker 1: the pamphlet time, the cassette audio cassette time, the video
Speaker 1: cassette time, the DVD time, And eventually we get into
Speaker 1: the Internet, and the Internet graduates from the time of
Speaker 1: message boards and not really being able to distribute you know,
Speaker 1: whole videos to each other and stuff, to now the
Speaker 1: days of like you know, when YouTube was brand new,
Speaker 1: that was the thing, and now it's become ubiquitous. There's
Speaker 1: video everywhere. It's a whole lot easier to platform it.
Speaker 1: Like the days when you know, there was less than
Speaker 1: a hundred of us making podcasts and you know, and
Speaker 1: now there's literally, by the way, just no joke millions
Speaker 1: of podcasts. Oh chuck.
Speaker 2: On that note, Yeah, I went to Best Buy today.
Speaker 2: I have been there in a while. But what they
Speaker 2: have as essentially its own department. But it's own section.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you call a whole department, but
Speaker 2: there's an entire section devoted to podcast product.
Speaker 1: There you go. You see what I mean.
Speaker 2: Iast thing slash live streaming products. It's a whole little section.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dang, this is an entire section of this
Speaker 2: major retail store.
Speaker 1: Now, whereas while yeah, twenty years ago though, it was
Speaker 1: almost a joke. Yeah you know what, are you a podcaster? Okay, whatever, dude,
Speaker 1: that's going to go nowhere? You know, what are you
Speaker 1: going to do? Give it that away for free? Now? Granted,
Speaker 1: get everybody made podcasters.
Speaker 2: They were all losers that Howard Stern trashed him like
Speaker 2: he trashes everything and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, just like the Internet, what is it good for bloggers?
Speaker 1: So what you know? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, anyway, And there
Speaker 1: was a time in which even I uttered the words,
Speaker 1: what the Internet that's the thing for like nerds? Yeah,
Speaker 1: granted it was like nineteen ninety five when I said it,
Speaker 1: but in ninety six, ninety seven. I went, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this might be interesting, and I started getting in and
Speaker 1: that is totally like, it is not recognizable to what
Speaker 1: we have today.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, there's multiple Yeah, nobody, no, when you
Speaker 2: think of it in that sense, nobody really sees what's
Speaker 2: coming next. Even though we really had ought to be
Speaker 2: able to to see and understand what the next iterations
Speaker 2: of things are, we're not.
Speaker 1: We know that they're coming, right.
Speaker 2: I think I have a fairly good sense for what's happening,
Speaker 2: at least compared to the average person. But even even
Speaker 2: I admit I can't predict everything that will change.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, at one time, this is
Speaker 1: hard to imagine, but at one time, people paid about
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen dollars for about a forty five minute
Speaker 1: long piece of vinyl that they called an album. And
Speaker 1: you could get a comedy album this way, spoken word,
Speaker 1: or you could get music. But they were only like
Speaker 1: forty five minutes long. Most of these things.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, forty forty five right, No, no, no, forty five.
Speaker 2: We talked about forty five RPMs.
Speaker 1: Is a forty five, and that's a forty five. That's RPM.
Speaker 1: That's revolutions per minuted or whatever. But you know, that's
Speaker 1: not the same thing. I'm talking about. Forty five minutes
Speaker 1: was like the take a look at an old ACDC album.
Speaker 1: It's how long is it? Forty four minutes, forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: you know, fifty minutes maybe, and that's it. And that
Speaker 1: was the whole thing. Some of them were only thirty
Speaker 1: something minutes, right, Even though led Zeppelin or you know,
Speaker 1: lifted riffs, whatever you want to call them. Sometimes they
Speaker 1: would put out a song that was seven minutes long,
Speaker 1: you know, Iron Butterfly did it a gott DaVita, It
Speaker 1: was a whole album side. But even back from then,
Speaker 1: there was a time when they tried to sell something
Speaker 1: like a home machine where you could cut vinyl. There
Speaker 1: was a time when they sold machines where you could
Speaker 1: cut your own CDs out of anything, but those didn't
Speaker 1: take off. Now on the computer, you could copy music
Speaker 1: all that, and there's the time of Napster in the
Speaker 1: collapse of the music industry. What I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: every time the technology moves, it definitely moves the way
Speaker 1: information travels, and I think influences the nature of that information.
Speaker 1: If you were able to do a presentation that drew
Speaker 1: that out and even gave us just you know, a
Speaker 1: half century worth of the technology. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: go all the way back to the early you know,
Speaker 1: you could do the whole twentieth century if you wanted to,
Speaker 1: and you know, go look, we start with newspapers and
Speaker 1: the telegram, right and then you move on to the
Speaker 1: telephone and TV and radio, and you could go into
Speaker 1: all of that little by little, But I think it
Speaker 1: gets most interesting from you know, nineteen sixty. Let's just
Speaker 1: say on because this is where you know, the first
Speaker 1: TV president, even though Eisenhower really did the first broadcast
Speaker 1: on television as the president, the first TV president is
Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy. And maybe that's what affected us so much.
Speaker 1: And then the revolution that came because of the Beatles
Speaker 1: and Ed Sullivan and how that became pop culture became
Speaker 1: something different right then and there. But again, information and culture,
Speaker 1: I guess both of them. You have to consider them
Speaker 1: both traveling together along the technological trains, you know that
Speaker 1: keep a rolling and keep changing. I think that's a
Speaker 1: fascinating idea in and of itself. Anyway, I've taken you
Speaker 1: way over on the age of transitions time here. But
Speaker 1: I really wanted to get to this with you because
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a valuable discussion, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to give you food for thought because I know you'd
Speaker 1: do a hell of a job with it. Hell, you
Speaker 1: might even be able to write a whole second book
Speaker 1: based on this seed.
Speaker 2: It almost sounds like an academic project potentially.
Speaker 1: But a great one. You could break into different parts.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could put out a video on it,
Speaker 1: you could do podcasts on it, you could do another book,
Speaker 1: and each one of these things could have unique elements
Speaker 1: in it, and I would love to see I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: tell Aaron what you think. I mean, give him some
Speaker 1: feedback here. I think it would be fascinating to see
Speaker 1: Aaron Franz explain not just one age of transitions as
Speaker 1: new Gingrich was looking at it because he's only focused
Speaker 1: on one. But how about the fact that there are multiple,
Speaker 1: continuous and almost unending ages of transitions.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's crazy that that Gingrich was talking about
Speaker 2: one sort of really political aspect of age of transitions,
Speaker 2: but he himself exemplified this weird media and yes, even
Speaker 2: this conspiracy world age of transitions concept in himself, in
Speaker 2: his own identity as a public figure, he almost exemplifies
Speaker 2: it in a very bizarre way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would never imagine that, but he does absolutely
Speaker 1: if you really look at the nuances of it and
Speaker 1: you peel back that entire onion of Nu Gingrich. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: if you take a look at the conspiracy track that
Speaker 1: bolstered his rise, because he had a rise to power
Speaker 1: that comes from basically a right wing talk radio which.
Speaker 2: Again, okay, I guess I hadn't fully realized that, but
Speaker 2: that kind of brings it full circle.
Speaker 1: Full circle. Look, it brings you back to this with
Speaker 1: that fringe of talk radio. AM radio effectively was dead right,
Speaker 1: and people are like, talk radio is garbage, it's no
Speaker 1: good anymore. Nobody wants it. And that's why a guy
Speaker 1: like sorry, but here we go, Rush Limbaugh turned around
Speaker 1: and gave away his show to like one hundred radio stations.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the freaking show, you know. He gave
Speaker 1: it to him for nothing. And then what did he do?
Speaker 1: He said, Oh, I'm now two hundred radio stations strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then let's fast forward to the death of
Speaker 2: Rush limbod just before he was giving the Medal of
Speaker 2: honor or whatever the hell that thing was by.
Speaker 1: President Trump in the Medal of Freedom.
Speaker 2: That was like the culmination of his life's work, which
Speaker 2: he visibly was ecstatic about and proud of he and
Speaker 2: I think he took note and consciously was aware that
Speaker 2: this is a culmination of my life's work. I'm being
Speaker 2: recognized by the highest figure within this and look, I have.
Speaker 1: Achieved my goal. It really felt like that happened. And
Speaker 1: his literal character arc, okay, through the story of the
Speaker 1: political world, is in and of itself an age of transition,
Speaker 1: because he goes from being this guy giving away his
Speaker 1: show basically being just another goofball right wing jerky radio guy.
Speaker 1: And there were a bunch of them, but they weren't
Speaker 1: that successful. They usually were successful in one city at
Speaker 1: a time. But he went and syndicated it through this
Speaker 1: unique I'll give the damn show away and then I'll
Speaker 1: say I'm two hundred radio stations strong. And it worked,
Speaker 1: and then it became four hundred and six hundred, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know how many at the time he died.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, he goes from being a guy
Speaker 1: who was criticizing the bushes. Literally that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1: He was pissed the Bushes were not conservative enough.
Speaker 2: But that also that ties right into the whole thing too,
Speaker 2: is like, that's that's exactly what the whole movement was exactly,
Speaker 2: that's exactly the whole point, right, and it worked.
Speaker 1: That actually worked. And he goes from they're not conservative enough,
Speaker 1: they're not matching our values. Think about Trump for a minute.
Speaker 1: They're not going far enough, they're not matching our values.
Speaker 1: We are maga. We want to make America great again.
Speaker 1: These guys are rhinos, so we're the real deal, even
Speaker 1: though they're the outsiders. So he's doing that. He goes
Speaker 1: from being a guy criticizing them to then being a
Speaker 1: guy who they were going to as a brain trust. Well,
Speaker 1: now we got to see what Russell Limbaugh is gonna
Speaker 1: have to say. He started to influence the conservative politicians,
Speaker 1: the people who actually had the job. He's influencing them
Speaker 1: and starting to influence elections. If he endorsed the conservative candidate,
Speaker 1: they got a way better chance of winning. Even in
Speaker 1: Idaho it didn't matter. So he goes from being a
Speaker 1: guy on the outside to being an influencer to literally
Speaker 1: being at the pinnacle of it, and being a guy
Speaker 1: that these guys are consulting. He's now a voice of
Speaker 1: authority among the people that he once said were not
Speaker 1: good enough and then had to step up and become
Speaker 1: good enough to match his markers. This is Donald Trump again.
Speaker 1: They have to come and be like us. They're rhinos.
Speaker 1: Otherwise they're not real Republicans unless they agree with Trump.
Speaker 1: And he goes from again Trump the joke, the outsider joke,
Speaker 1: ends up being president and now is a guy, well,
Speaker 1: we got to think about this before we vote. Even
Speaker 1: though he's not in office, they're worried about what his
Speaker 1: thoughts are on what they're voting on in Congress. It's
Speaker 1: exactly the same story. The alleged outsider who is banging
Speaker 1: on the outside of the of the tent saying, let
Speaker 1: me in. I deserve to be in there more than you.
Speaker 1: He gets in and takes the joint over. And that
Speaker 1: was the whole point. It's the takeover. It's the hostile
Speaker 1: takeover because that's the true will of the people idea.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what Rush Limbaugh did. Like you said, he
Speaker 1: goes from a guy. He's pissed off. I can't believe
Speaker 1: they're giving into these wacko liberals out there because of
Speaker 1: the spotted owl in the forest. They're not cutting down
Speaker 1: enough trees. I'm going to do a thing about how
Speaker 1: homelessness is out of control. Notice, homelessness didn't go away.
Speaker 1: Homelessness is out of control. So he did a homeless
Speaker 1: update and he had that guy who used to do
Speaker 1: oputus Bill and you remember that guy.
Speaker 2: Well, I never really listened to Rustling Bab but I
Speaker 2: only know of it.
Speaker 1: But you okay, Well, he did a homeless update where
Speaker 1: he would get, you know, do crazy news stories about
Speaker 1: homeless people.
Speaker 2: You know that that ties into what's going on. Now
Speaker 2: there's the modern iteration to that and the same ecosis.
Speaker 1: All of it. But that's my point. It's exactly the
Speaker 1: same program being rerun. Rush Limbaugh's story is Donald Trump's story.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. It's the outsider saying let me in,
Speaker 1: let me in, you're not doing a good enough job.
Speaker 1: He gets in there. Now he says, I've taken over.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to tell you what the real deal is.
Speaker 1: And these conspiracy people have done the same crap, and
Speaker 1: that's why they hijacked every one of these truth movements.
Speaker 1: They're all gone right, yep.
Speaker 2: They've been mainstreamed in a bizarre way, and you take
Speaker 2: same is now fringe, but the fringe is now very
Speaker 2: much mainstream, right.
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, he's one of our guys. Now. He is
Speaker 1: exactly the guy that any of these fringe people should
Speaker 1: never ever back in any way, shape or form, because
Speaker 1: he's the establishment. He's one of these guys who goes,
Speaker 1: I'm part of the establishment, but not really. I'm actually
Speaker 1: you know, Fox News used to say we're not part
Speaker 1: of the mainstream media, even though they were becoming part
Speaker 1: of the mainstream media. So he goes from being part
Speaker 1: of the establishment to saying he's an outsider to coming
Speaker 1: back in and taking over again as a new establishment.
Speaker 1: He's gone full circle. And then continued, Tucker Carlson, you see, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's another weird And.
Speaker 1: Never forget Tucker Carlson was on MSNBC, he was on
Speaker 1: every channel. He didn't matter wherever you're gonna give me
Speaker 1: a platform, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna run with it.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. So anyway, look, it's now twenty
Speaker 1: two after uncle is probably losing his mind waiting to
Speaker 1: get on the mic. That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2: He's got issues where it'll be good to cut the
Speaker 2: show a little short anyway.
Speaker 1: So that's what we'll do.
Speaker 2: Well, we can do a w yeah, yeah, we'll do
Speaker 2: a longer Age of Transitions and a shorter Uncle. That's
Speaker 2: actually kind of perfect. Okay, but yeah, we can switch
Speaker 2: over now, I believe.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's do that. We'll go to a break.
Speaker 1: But I say, guys, tell Aaron, look, if you're really
Speaker 1: annoyed that I hijacked the Age of Transitions, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I think Aaron would be the guy to knock
Speaker 1: this out of the park, to show us. Look, now,
Speaker 1: I got an addendum to the Age of Transitions. It's
Speaker 1: not one age of transitions. It's many ages, and it's
Speaker 1: many transitions. And yet, just like history, they may not
Speaker 1: all repeat themselves, but they all seem to rhyme. Like
Speaker 1: I said, Rush Limbaugh story very similar to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Take a look at Tucker Carlson. He went full circle
Speaker 1: and kept going. Take a look at the other things
Speaker 1: that have gone full circle. Vladimir Putin, g are you
Speaker 1: guys there? At the fall of the Soviet Union, He's
Speaker 1: pissed off about that he's now in control now for
Speaker 1: a little while. According to almost everybody in America, he
Speaker 1: was the mad dictator all of a sudden, though Trump says, no,
Speaker 1: he's smart. He's very smart. He seems to know what
Speaker 1: he's doing. He's a rich man too, he's very powerful.
Speaker 1: He said things in a very strong way. So that's
Speaker 1: why all of my people, he said it very strong.
Speaker 1: He denied it very strongly. So that means I don't
Speaker 1: care what my CIA, my FBI, or anybody else says,
Speaker 1: because Putin said it strongly. Right, it was, it was
Speaker 1: big lely, it was huge, right, it was copefe, it
Speaker 1: was all of that. And now, by the way, John Hankey,
Speaker 1: the guy who thinks that George Bush, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've heard about this, the guy who thinks that
Speaker 1: George Bush was in Deally Placid when JFK was killed.
Speaker 1: I've heard that idea. Yes, that guy also has a
Speaker 1: video out I think trying to say that the Trump
Speaker 1: assassination attempt was a fake somehow.
Speaker 2: And heard many different iterations if it was fake. Yes,
Speaker 2: I've heard all about those.
Speaker 1: Yes. And here's the thing. Nobody will cut, nobody will
Speaker 1: touch my theory on this by the way, everybody hates it.
Speaker 1: You know, my theory is right. What's the quick version
Speaker 1: of that? The quick version of it is very simple.
Speaker 1: This jerky kid was basically a school shooter waiting to happen,
Speaker 1: and since school wasn't in session in the Northeast at
Speaker 1: the time, because July, you know this, in the Northeast,
Speaker 1: they don't have school, you know, in July, in August,
Speaker 1: even in July they might have school in the South,
Speaker 1: but not in Pennsylvania, not in Pittsburgh. Baby, in July
Speaker 1: when this happened, school is not in session. This kid
Speaker 1: would have shot up a school if he could have,
Speaker 1: but he couldn't hold himself back, so he found the
Speaker 1: closest event he could. I don't think he cared if
Speaker 1: he got Trump or not. It would have been a bonus.
Speaker 1: But this is a guy that was looking to make
Speaker 1: a statement with a man killing, and that's all it was.
Speaker 1: I don't think he Oh, he was actually a Democrat.
Speaker 1: He gave twenty dollars to the Democrats. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: Trump's these people are arguing back and forth. I think
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he was just a
Speaker 1: guy who said I'm going to make history there's a
Speaker 1: good gathering of people over here. Let's go get him.
Speaker 1: And you know what else helped him is quite frankly
Speaker 1: again my stand up. My question is did the Secret
Speaker 1: Service people drop the ball intentionally or was it just
Speaker 1: their ineptitude their inability to do their jobs? Did they
Speaker 1: you know, because there was no way in hell that
Speaker 1: that kid should have gotten up there. It should have
Speaker 1: gotten anywhere in there. That is odd. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. Like this, well I know the procedures. There's
Speaker 1: no way in hell that that was not within a
Speaker 1: check perimeter. It should not have been left to local police.
Speaker 1: There should have been an advanced team with their eyes
Speaker 1: on it, not only as Trump was stepping on stage,
Speaker 1: but for hours before. Okay, you know, you don't go
Speaker 1: and find out about a bomb five minutes before somebody's
Speaker 1: coming to a place. Okay, people plant bombs well ahead
Speaker 1: of five minutes. So you have what they call advanced teams, Aaron,
Speaker 1: and there's a whole system by which this is done.
Speaker 1: With the Secret Service. There is no way in hell
Speaker 1: even if they were just doing, you know, protection for
Speaker 1: the President's grandchildren who were going out to a park
Speaker 1: to play, and they decided to close off the park
Speaker 1: to protect the president's grandchildren. Okay, there's no way in
Speaker 1: hell that that perimeter shouldn't have been checked thoroughly. There's
Speaker 1: no way in hell that guy should have got up there.
Speaker 1: The stuff that witnesses are telling you about this guy
Speaker 1: getting up there, that shows me clearly that there was
Speaker 1: multiple people not doing their jobs. Now, whether that was
Speaker 1: on purpose, like, screw it, I don't care what happens
Speaker 1: to Trump. Nobody really wants to shoot him anyway. He's
Speaker 1: at a rally where everybody loves him. If somebody took
Speaker 1: that attitude, or if they intentionally said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want to see the guy get shot, or if
Speaker 1: they were just you know, crap at their job. Let's
Speaker 1: say to me, nice huh. So they were either bad
Speaker 1: at their job or they intentionally didn't give a crap.
Speaker 1: I don't think they set him up. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Secret Service was in on it. But there's your
Speaker 1: two honest answers. It was a crap job, either intentionally
Speaker 1: or unintentionally by the Secret Service. There's no way that
Speaker 1: that kid should have gotten there, and I think honestly
Speaker 1: he wasn't like must kill Trump, must kill Trump. I
Speaker 1: think it was if there was a big enough Miley
Speaker 1: Cyrus concert nearby that was open air, and this kid
Speaker 1: thought he had a shot at it. He would have
Speaker 1: taken a shot at a concert like the guy did
Speaker 1: in Vegas. He would have taken a shot at a
Speaker 1: big event somewhere. It just so happened that the Trump
Speaker 1: rally was there at a time when he couldn't get
Speaker 1: out of school. I really feel that way. I think
Speaker 1: he would have went to his high school or a
Speaker 1: school that represented something to him, and he would have
Speaker 1: done that to get a good amount of people for
Speaker 1: the fish in the barrel effect. That's all there is
Speaker 1: to it. And nobody wants to hear this from me.
Speaker 1: By the way, No, it makes sense. I mean it's
Speaker 1: very it's very It makes sense. It does, it really does.
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me, chuck so. But it's that simple.
Speaker 1: You don't need to reach deep into the conspiracy rabbit
Speaker 1: hole to get this. I think that's the truth.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's it's someone, it's it's Okham's razor.
Speaker 1: You're Akham's razor, exactly exactly. So with that, I'll shut
Speaker 1: up now and you can do your thing, and we
Speaker 1: can get onto Uncle for a half hour so which
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to. But hey, we'll do a half
Speaker 1: hour Uncle, or who knows, maybe we'll run a little
Speaker 1: long whatever, you guys feel like. I'm here.
Speaker 2: We'll see how We'll see how it goes, We'll see
Speaker 2: how Uncle's teeth hold up, We'll see if we have callers.
Speaker 1: We'll see all that. But but with that, I hope
Speaker 1: I hope you're not upset that I hijacked some of
Speaker 1: your time. I hope your listeners aren't too angry at me.
Speaker 1: I think I made a good, solid point and I
Speaker 1: really want you to seriously consider that because and I'll
Speaker 1: help you in any way I can with that work,
Speaker 1: because I think it would be such a valuable, unique
Speaker 1: piece by somebody who is rational and intelligent and has
Speaker 1: a lot to say, unlike a lot of these other
Speaker 1: morons that are out there, whether you know whether the
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of morons out there that just run
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Speaker 2: Sounds good, Let's do that, Chuck. Thank you for the
Speaker 2: kind words, and thank you as always for producing. It's
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Speaker 2: right up, so we will get to that. But I
Speaker 2: will just mention again the Age of Transitions dot com
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Speaker 4: Uncle the podcast.
Speaker 2: You were listening to, Uncle the broadcast. My name is Aaron.
Speaker 2: I'm the nephew in law here. It needs to start
Speaker 2: of the show Uncle La.
Speaker 4: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, I thank you again. This is
Speaker 4: a Funday night forty eight I believe.
Speaker 2: Let's see, that's definitely close. Yeah, it's somewhere around there where. Man,
Speaker 2: we're up there in episode and we're broadcasting live Friday
Speaker 2: night on the o'chelly dot com.
Speaker 1: We're a network.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there too more to make it two fifty right.
Speaker 1: Right now. Look, if you're listening to this on the
Speaker 1: live stream, you might say to yourself, hey, it's a replay. No,
Speaker 1: we went to air real late on the Uncle Show
Speaker 1: here tonight.
Speaker 6: So there's a light shore of mine because and in fact,
Speaker 6: I let it tell you people, I worked in here,
Speaker 6: and it was ten after.
Speaker 4: From from from my watch from my phone, h check watch.
Speaker 6: And as I walked at and I walk up after,
Speaker 6: I say, oh it's ten after, I better be walking up.
Speaker 4: So I'm start walking up.
Speaker 6: This Transition Man, transition start cooking and still cooking.
Speaker 1: Oh, I got transition man though.
Speaker 4: That's his Transmission man. I called him Transmission man.
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 4: That's his nickname. To me, that's his nickname.
Speaker 1: Whatever you say, sidekick, mister sidekick. You know woman kicked
Speaker 1: every now and again.
Speaker 4: All that right, that's a nickname for his show.
Speaker 2: And then we've got of course, not only on Achilli
Speaker 2: dot com, the radio network, but also we're live streaming
Speaker 2: on our video channels at Uncle Podcasts.
Speaker 1: On Twitter, on YouTube, on Twitch.
Speaker 2: We've got creative accents just chatting up the storem on Twitch.
Speaker 1: Uncle, I hear this and for us, what is it?
Speaker 1: I want?
Speaker 4: I want to get him on the line.
Speaker 1: Well, he kind of still talking. He's chatting. He's chatting chatting,
Speaker 1: but that's a form of talking, the storm of talking. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: one of these days, Uncle, I'll tell you this. He's
Speaker 1: supposed to Okay, and he said, and I hope he's
Speaker 1: still going to be able to do it. But he said,
Speaker 1: he's going to meet me in Dallas, Texas. Okay, this
Speaker 1: year when I go to Dallas. So if he meets
Speaker 1: me in Dallas, Texas, again this year. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: a long talk with him. Okay, I'm gonna I'm going
Speaker 1: to see if I get you know, if I get
Speaker 1: enough money to take him or a slice of pizza
Speaker 1: or something, and I'm gonna sit down with him and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to hi about Listen, man, I don't
Speaker 1: care if you call into my show or if you
Speaker 1: want to come on. I got a picture of him
Speaker 1: and me and I haven't published it anywhere. I say,
Speaker 1: I know you want to hide your identity and all that,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what. You gotta call into the
Speaker 1: Uncle Show. Okay, you have to do it just one time.
Speaker 1: Even if you only do it one time and you
Speaker 1: just call time.
Speaker 4: Fine, one time would be fine. Okay, take one time
Speaker 4: for him, all right? So you so you.
Speaker 1: Approved actually just his voice, right. So the thing is
Speaker 1: that I have your approval to go to him and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say what his name is he
Speaker 1: but creative accidents. Well he just use this, you know,
Speaker 1: his on air name, creative Accidents. I want you to
Speaker 1: be able to call in as creative accidents one time,
Speaker 1: all right, and you're happy if I get him to.
Speaker 4: Do that, right, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it. I'm fancy. I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure that I have your approval to do it.
Speaker 1: That's all all right, if you're happy, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: that done. I'm gonna sit down, So Creative Accidents, you're listening.
Speaker 1: You heard me say it. I'm gonna sit down with
Speaker 1: you and on behalf of Transition man and uncle okay,
Speaker 1: and Missus, sidekick and Buster the Dog and everybody. Missus,
Speaker 1: oh missus, Oh be there, Frank, you'll be there. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you the Shelley pressure. We're gonna sit
Speaker 1: down with you and be like, look, we give you
Speaker 1: some pizza. You got some Italian food in you. Now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you an offer that you ain't supposed
Speaker 1: to refuse. You understand me, mister Creative Accidents. You gotta
Speaker 1: come on. That's right. I know, unique voice. I will
Speaker 1: say that. I heard it myself. Yeah you wait, you
Speaker 1: didn't meet him? W wait wait wait, yes, yes, sir, yes,
Speaker 1: Creative Action that came and visited Oh okay, but he
Speaker 1: visited you guys. I thought I thought he met both
Speaker 1: of you. So that's just me. That's just me.
Speaker 2: Just just Tim, just transition myself only transition man, Yes,
Speaker 2: just Tim.
Speaker 4: I didn't see him.
Speaker 1: That's coming directly out of work and we met up
Speaker 1: right then, Yeah, just.
Speaker 4: Behind me.
Speaker 1: So who made that? Please? I didn't see it. Well,
Speaker 1: I he posted on social media, that big cardboard thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't quite know what to do with it. So Uncle,
Speaker 1: So Uncle has been completely frustrated here. He's never even
Speaker 1: heard that. You at least have heard the guy's voice
Speaker 1: you're telling me Uncle. Okay, by the way, I posted
Speaker 1: in the chat room just so you know, and I
Speaker 1: know Uncle always wants to know this. And we got
Speaker 1: to get to the phone calls because this may be
Speaker 1: an abbreviated Uncle tonight. But before we go to the
Speaker 1: phone callers, just a quick thing. I want to let
Speaker 1: people know who's listening, which is an interesting group tonight. Well,
Speaker 1: we have the we have the wonderful people in Germany
Speaker 1: who got on about five hours ago supposedly, and they've
Speaker 1: been listening for five hours in Germany too, Ohl dot
Speaker 1: com radio. But here's a crazy one about the time
Speaker 1: that Uncle started or should have started. Okay, a little
Speaker 1: bit before Uncle Star Time Denmark got on the radio stream.
Speaker 1: I don't often see anybody from Denmark on my radio
Speaker 1: stream and you have h Let's see right now, there
Speaker 1: are what, from what I can see here is possibly
Speaker 1: three people from Denmark all on a weird player, the
Speaker 1: Nemesis player. I don't even know what that is. Some
Speaker 1: you know, some people are listening. It might take a
Speaker 1: look at their user agent. It says Mozilla, it says Apple.
Speaker 1: It's you know, Apple iPad, Apple iPod, Apple iPhone five,
Speaker 1: Apple iPhone thirteen, right, all these different things. Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 1: and a lot of Mozillas. But this is the first
Speaker 1: time I seen this Nemesis player, and it.
Speaker 4: Didn't getting the people listening to me in Denmark, Uncle.
Speaker 1: And that's the weird thing is that we got nobody
Speaker 1: listening in Canada.
Speaker 4: So you know, hey, that's good place in Canada.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, you got some buddies up in Canada,
Speaker 1: and nobody's listening in Canada tonight. They're not, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll have to get the podcast later. But we
Speaker 1: got nobody listening in Canada. We got nobody in the UK.
Speaker 1: And those are usual stops for the Uncle Show. So
Speaker 1: for some reason, these guys are taking the night off.
Speaker 1: We got people all over the United States that for
Speaker 1: some reason, my ID thing is now taken away, letting
Speaker 1: me know exactly what state they're in for the most part,
Speaker 1: and we just whoa one, two, three, four, five. We
Speaker 1: just let five additional people jump on in the US,
Speaker 1: which probably came from us putting on Twitter. And these
Speaker 1: are people that And.
Speaker 2: I've got this weird Instagram I'm live feed going to,
Speaker 2: which I have not done yet before shock, so that
Speaker 2: might be having some kind of effect here.
Speaker 1: It's all it is, is just they can't even hear
Speaker 1: you talking on the Instagram check. That's weird. They're just
Speaker 1: they're just getting us in the room. So that's something different,
Speaker 1: you know. Oh and one more just jumped on international.
Speaker 1: I love this by the way in Corleone, Sicily. Okay,
Speaker 1: well Giorno too. Corleone Sicily could be could be an
Speaker 1: o'celli from over there. There is a handful of living
Speaker 1: Ocelli's in Sicily. Uh, there's an even smaller handful of
Speaker 1: living Ocelli's in America.
Speaker 6: But you might be getting jealous yet, you might be
Speaker 6: getting jealous because if they're coming over.
Speaker 1: To my show, Oh no, no, no, I did hey,
Speaker 1: look uncle I did a thing on the MOB one
Speaker 1: night that I advertised in advance, and it was wild.
Speaker 1: I had a whole gaggle of people from Italy came
Speaker 1: on that night. It was like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: all over Italy, and I'm telling you they were coming
Speaker 1: from I could see it. It was like Rome and Sicily,
Speaker 1: and then there was people in Switzerland. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just outside of Italy. I never get people listening
Speaker 1: live in Switzerland. And there was Germany popped up, not
Speaker 1: the Germany that we usually get, and I went, Wow,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people from Italy and people that
Speaker 1: just had to leave the country probably that are just
Speaker 1: outside of Italy listening tonight when I'm doing a MOB special.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting. And also I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of people in New York that night on
Speaker 1: the stream when I could tell what city they were in.
Speaker 1: So just telling you, though I don't usually get, Denmark
Speaker 1: is like an Uncle thing mainly that's I've never seen
Speaker 1: that country come up. So you got listeners in Denmark
Speaker 1: that tune into the O'Kelly radio network just for Uncle,
Speaker 1: you know, just like there's people that tune in just
Speaker 1: for certain shows I do, and there's people that tune
Speaker 1: in just for Aaron, And when I've had other ho
Speaker 1: they would tune in from different places. And I knew,
Speaker 1: you know, that's Jack Blood's listener, that's you know Chris,
Speaker 1: that's you know, Chris's listener, Chris Graves. Oh, that guy's
Speaker 1: just listening for Pierce Redmond, et cetera, et cetera. Right,
Speaker 1: I knew it, and like a whole bunch of extra
Speaker 1: people from Canada. When I had the Jeffrey Matt Show,
Speaker 1: which by the way, you know, we send we send
Speaker 1: warm healing wishes to Jeffrey Matt. I have not heard
Speaker 1: from him in a while, and last I had heard
Speaker 1: from him, he was quite ill. So I do not
Speaker 1: know what the condition of Jeffrey Matt is. But just publicly,
Speaker 1: I want to say that I still consider you a friend,
Speaker 1: a brother, and I hope that you are okay. But
Speaker 1: but when he was on from Canada, boom, we got
Speaker 1: extra Canadian listeners, and uncle usually gets Canadian listeners.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I knew all of that.
Speaker 1: Having been said, let me turn it back over to
Speaker 1: you and I'll shut off my mic completely because Aaron,
Speaker 1: you haven't even given out the phone number yet and
Speaker 1: we've got a caller that's been waiting. Now, yeah, you
Speaker 1: need to do that. Okay, take them.
Speaker 2: We are live on Friday Night as always. They call
Speaker 2: numbers three one nine, five two seven, five zero one six.
Speaker 1: You can also you skype if you choose. If you do,
Speaker 1: you type a message at Chuck True True sidekick getting
Speaker 1: in there. Now. You got to type a message to
Speaker 1: me and not to Chuck.
Speaker 2: You type it to what Aaron Charles stoutacelly, thank you,
Speaker 2: sir Charles Charles Stout of Shelley on Skype. Type a message,
Speaker 2: he'll call you or call You can just use a
Speaker 2: phone and call three one nine, five two seven five
Speaker 2: zero one six.
Speaker 1: Oh, you'll be talking with us, Jimmy James. You just
Speaker 1: hung up, dude. Come on, we were just getting to Jimmy,
Speaker 1: Jimmy James. Call back in. I was just getting I
Speaker 1: was just tapping. I had my cursor on the button
Speaker 1: to put you on. As soon as Aaron was done
Speaker 1: talking and you went boom, you're gone. Call back in, Jimmy.
Speaker 1: I'll put you on two seconds after you're on the line.
Speaker 1: As soon as I you'll be on live.
Speaker 2: I won't even announce it, or anybody two calls, you'll
Speaker 2: be on with us as soon as you call through.
Speaker 2: One nine zero one six calls every Friday night on
Speaker 2: the show, we take them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, I'll tell you what to do.
Speaker 1: The first people to do that maybe well, you know what, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what, sidekick? What did you call you? Transition man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: transition to all right, transition man. Here's what we're going
Speaker 1: to do a little extra thing is I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: put I'm gonna set it right now so that people
Speaker 1: get right through. I'm not even going to screen them.
Speaker 1: They're just going to go right on. As soon as
Speaker 1: you call in, you'll hear the little announcement. Get ready
Speaker 1: for the Ocelli effect. And anybody who calls after I'm
Speaker 1: done saying this, you're going to be live right away.
Speaker 1: That's it, So be ready when you call in, you're
Speaker 1: going straight to live. I'm not even getting in the way.
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me take this thing off. Let's see
Speaker 1: open mode. That's true. Okay, there we go. All lines
Speaker 1: are open. Hold on one second, because I do need
Speaker 1: to mute one of these lines to make sure right.
Speaker 1: Let's just make sure about this. We're living we're living
Speaker 1: dangerously now with this. This is this is something new.
Speaker 1: We have not done this yet. I haven't heard this
Speaker 1: was open line thing right now? Hang on, let me
Speaker 1: just make.
Speaker 4: Sure open lines. Who are gonna talk to me?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I need to go. We do have a caller. You're
Speaker 1: a live dude, you go, you're on?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Oh the collar? Are you there? I heard a little
Speaker 1: buzzing noise. They didn't make much noise. Hello. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on there, but suddenly I do
Speaker 1: not have Yeah, you're gonna have to call back in
Speaker 1: or you're muted somehow on your phone. Something has gone
Speaker 1: wrong here. My brother.
Speaker 4: Tend to get the first technology going crazy. It doesn't
Speaker 4: know what it's wants to do.
Speaker 1: It ran out of battery. Let me check out here,
Speaker 1: Let me check it out. Hold on, okay, hang on
Speaker 1: a second here because we might have off the line
Speaker 1: or something. Let me let me make sure because I
Speaker 1: see them on the line, but we're not hearing you.
Speaker 1: Hold on, really, somebody is there?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: All right? Interesting. You know what we're gonna do is uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a quick break. Okay, guys, and I'm gonna make sure.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna redo the phone lines and make sure this
Speaker 1: is good, So call her. Hang on. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can hear us or not, but hang on
Speaker 1: and we'll be right with you. And meanwhile, everybody listening
Speaker 1: to the Ocelly dot com Radio Network, UH, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get treated to a little bit of music and uh
Speaker 1: an unusual kind of quick break here, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: come right back with the Uncle Show on Oateelly dot
Speaker 1: com Radio.
Speaker 12: I I.
Speaker 3: I don't do anything.
Speaker 1: We're back to live on Neocelli dot com Radio Network. Sorry, Aaron,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear you picking it up, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if you got it. But we are back to live.
Speaker 1: And anybody who calls in at three one nine five
Speaker 1: two seven five zero one six right now until the
Speaker 1: end of the Uncle broadcast, you're going straight to live
Speaker 1: on air. I'm not even screening you. As soon as
Speaker 1: you call in, it'll say get ready for the Ocelli effect,
Speaker 1: the pre recorded thing you get and then you're on air,
Speaker 1: so I'm not even gonna watch it.
Speaker 16: You show up, all right, all right, all right, Chuck,
Speaker 16: I got it. Man.
Speaker 1: Oh he's in there.
Speaker 5: He is.
Speaker 1: That's one.
Speaker 4: That's not the guy who called the hell stuffing line.
Speaker 16: This is something else, chaos, chaos over the air, k Buncle.
Speaker 16: Is it still baseball season?
Speaker 13: Man?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just talking baseball here.
Speaker 13: This is Zeddi.
Speaker 16: Baseball, right.
Speaker 17: I would none to take care of you guys, know
Speaker 17: about it, the mess the Mets are playing the Dodgers.
Speaker 4: He's going to take care of you.
Speaker 16: Flying taking if you go down to the down to
Speaker 16: the freeway, you could probably wave at the Padres bus
Speaker 16: on the way back to their little border town. They're front.
Speaker 4: You know something by Padres right now, I'll still by bye,
Speaker 4: wooterzone board you on water, zone board waters.
Speaker 1: Water in the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 4: Even I'm saying this, saying that.
Speaker 1: In your talking you you I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: Worry about it because uh still by Bye, I still
Speaker 6: believe your studies ain't that good against this ment.
Speaker 4: They're not gonna be that good. I'm telling you work
Speaker 4: about him. You're they're gonna have a big pulblem you
Speaker 4: that before.
Speaker 16: The last two games. Man, So I might be changing
Speaker 16: my mind about maybe the pitching's coming around just in
Speaker 16: time for the Mets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something something happened. Something worked out, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I saw the beginning game tonight.
Speaker 1: What happened. What happened?
Speaker 12: Is they.
Speaker 4: The fourth game they finally woke up. Let's put it
Speaker 4: that way. I realize the series. But you don't sitting
Speaker 4: on your luck and choose but but but but he's
Speaker 4: butts it. You gotta then we gotta then? Probably good?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 16: The hot No, the Mets are hot.
Speaker 12: I know.
Speaker 16: I'm not sure that the Mets would have been my
Speaker 16: choice to go up against because they're hot right now,
Speaker 16: I would.
Speaker 4: Be I would be having in them to go up
Speaker 4: against him.
Speaker 1: Oh you saw this?
Speaker 4: Kind to me, uncle, because right now we me and
Speaker 4: Chuck good at them.
Speaker 16: Well, wait a minute, I thought you saw. I thought
Speaker 16: you saw the Podrais Mets coming.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Uncle, you've been seeing you. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you this. Oh boy, Chut knows it and I know it.
Speaker 1: What is Chuck? No, I I had to step away.
Speaker 4: Chaos, No chaos, I'm talking to Eddy.
Speaker 1: Okay, I missed a whole lot of the content. Uncle,
Speaker 1: Just let you know. I don't know what happened. I
Speaker 1: don't know what was happening in the past couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: I had to step away because not only is there
Speaker 1: chaos on the phone lines, but I chaos in my house,
Speaker 1: and I got chaos with my dog, and there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of weird stuff. So but now I got it
Speaker 1: settled and go back to Uncle Chaos. Okay, Uncle Chaos.
Speaker 1: That should be your new show, Uncle kaos the podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe that could be Transition Transition.
Speaker 16: Mann with Uncle Man.
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying this Uncle Chaos with the Transition Man. What
Speaker 1: do you have to signing?
Speaker 4: It's it's coming close? Se Mets and the Yankees on
Speaker 4: the Siege series. Under Siege series. Okay, got down again,
Speaker 4: going on this subway come to series. I'm nothing to
Speaker 4: tell the.
Speaker 16: Subway you're predicting the Mets Yankees World series? Is that
Speaker 16: where let's mark it down here. Uncle's predicting the Mets
Speaker 16: Yankees World series, a subway series of Chuck's talking about
Speaker 16: last week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thats what we were talking to, which teams and
Speaker 4: love and I'm still.
Speaker 16: Pulling for the Coast to Coaster man, We're going to
Speaker 16: have a Coast to Coast playoff series here. But then
Speaker 16: you know, the Yankees if they got to go back
Speaker 16: and forth with the Mets.
Speaker 17: The Dodgers are trying to take back they're looking at
Speaker 17: it may even be sweet the Dodgers Eddie, the Dodgers.
Speaker 17: The Dodgers are trying to take back their blue Eddie
Speaker 17: because they got the pitching. They got the pitching Dodgers, Dodgers.
Speaker 1: Dodgers just got slight.
Speaker 4: They don't have it to do it.
Speaker 1: Dodgers don't have the good pitching.
Speaker 16: Yeah, maybe the pitching is coming around now, you know,
Speaker 16: some of those guys were coming off. Maybe they're getting
Speaker 16: their mojo back and we're ready to take on the
Speaker 16: Yankees or whoever else.
Speaker 4: This this is a shock. If they're doing up, well,
Speaker 4: this is a shock. If they're doing up, it's a
Speaker 4: shock because look.
Speaker 16: Hey, I don't know, I don't know. When the Dodger
Speaker 16: pitching is thrown two games in a row, eighteen innings
Speaker 16: plus whatever before the they might have had before the
Speaker 16: other game, shutout innings, that's like, yeah, that's unheard of. Seriously,
Speaker 16: recent time.
Speaker 6: One of those pictures, there was two they were good
Speaker 6: the last week.
Speaker 4: The last well, there was it Thursday, Friday, Wednesday. It
Speaker 4: was when they played it.
Speaker 16: Before yesterday. Some of them that were good because.
Speaker 18: They had one and the bullpriend gang and yeah, the
Speaker 18: one and the one and the one and the one
Speaker 18: tonight and the one tonight.
Speaker 16: So yeah, up at the bullpen stowed up.
Speaker 4: Man, they need them all work.
Speaker 6: But now they realized, Uh, I gotta play though, we
Speaker 6: gotta play those Mets.
Speaker 1: Oh, that could a big problem. That could be a
Speaker 1: problem problem.
Speaker 16: He might have been a bigger problem than the Mets.
Speaker 16: I don't know the Padres. Padres are no slumpers.
Speaker 12: Man.
Speaker 16: The Padres had a really good team this year.
Speaker 1: Still, I'll still a by Padres shot.
Speaker 16: Not an easy thing.
Speaker 12: Oh.
Speaker 4: No, Tigers, Tiger, Tiger, How the tiger is coming along?
Speaker 1: Tiger?
Speaker 4: Let me, how did Tiger's coming along?
Speaker 1: Jimmy, you're asking about the Tigers.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think the Tigers are in, aren't they know?
Speaker 2: The Tigers are still wild.
Speaker 16: But they got they'd be bread and then they will
Speaker 16: be I got it.
Speaker 4: I thought they gotta play tomorrow. They're playing tomorrow. You
Speaker 4: know what they're playing tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, that's what they have that game. Yeah, the Yankees
Speaker 1: opponent is still to be announced. It looks like right
Speaker 1: still to be determined.
Speaker 4: Yankee.
Speaker 1: The Yankees are in.
Speaker 16: The Yankees are in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but their opponent is to is to be announced.
Speaker 1: Looks like to be determined, right, let me see one, two, three, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like, uh, they haven't determined them yet, right.
Speaker 16: Tigers? Are the Indians or Guardians?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tigers Guardians tie two to two?
Speaker 4: Picture and his relief picture that look they're both pitching
Speaker 4: at eight hundred and what your guys is doing.
Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is, how is your.
Speaker 4: Piy staff, Jimmy, how is your pitching staff?
Speaker 1: Detroit?
Speaker 4: I haven't really been watching them. I just told you
Speaker 4: they're doing very good.
Speaker 1: Oh that was them that.
Speaker 4: Average.
Speaker 19: That's why I was wondering, what kind of how's your pictures?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're tied to too with the Guardians, but
Speaker 1: it looks to me like they've kept it pretty low
Speaker 1: scoring so far. Uh you know, let's see they got
Speaker 1: zero Okay, in the first game against the Guardians, they
Speaker 1: gave up no runs. Uh in uh, let's see in
Speaker 1: the next game, what did they do well, let's see, well,
Speaker 1: wait one one, let me go back a little because
Speaker 1: in the first game it was different. Okay, in the
Speaker 1: first game they gave up a lot of runs. Seven
Speaker 1: all right, that's my mistake there. In the first game
Speaker 1: they gave up seven runs. But since then it looks
Speaker 1: like they've been pretty tight. I mean, they gave up
Speaker 1: zero and then uh, let's see next game they give
Speaker 1: up zero again, so you know, and then okay now,
Speaker 1: and the one that they just just beat them out
Speaker 1: on they gave up four. So you know, you're looking
Speaker 1: at it fairly tight. I mean, outside of the one
Speaker 1: aberration there where they gave up seven runs, it looks
Speaker 1: they're running pretty tight. I mean, if you can keep
Speaker 1: the opponent to less than three, you know you're doing
Speaker 1: pretty good. If you got hold them.
Speaker 4: Down for three hits, they hits is what you're looking at.
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at runs. I don't know about that.
Speaker 4: And and the ones, the ones and the hits put together.
Speaker 4: I should have said, well.
Speaker 1: Usually look to the logic in baseball is obviously, if
Speaker 1: you can string together enough hits, you get run.
Speaker 4: Yeah, real hit and runs.
Speaker 6: I mean if they if they row them down and
Speaker 6: do not hit me stuff, that means they slow them down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it looks to me like, uh, you know
Speaker 1: when the one guy okay, the one guy who pitched
Speaker 1: four innings gave up four hits. Uh that's Trevor Biby
Speaker 1: in the one pitching match. I mean, let's see it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look too bad. It looks like they're keeping
Speaker 1: it pretty tight all the way around the Tigers, except
Speaker 1: for that one game. They kind of lost control there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Interesting, Leman still might we still ain't see it in tons.
Speaker 4: I mean those Tigers, we could be.
Speaker 1: All lost up. They can make it all have the
Speaker 1: ability to do that.
Speaker 2: He'll see the bracket in front of No offense to Jimmy,
Speaker 2: but I don't see the Tigers getting through this.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I think the Yankees might
Speaker 1: held him up. No, I think the Yankees will beat
Speaker 1: him up if they can survive this series, which they
Speaker 1: should be able to against uh uh, you know against
Speaker 1: the Guardians. They should be able to beat Cleveland. But
Speaker 1: I think the Yankees will hand them their head. I
Speaker 1: really do look out.
Speaker 16: Yeah, man, big upsets happened.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it would be great to see. I'm serious.
Speaker 1: I'm pushing for the Subway series. But when first the
Speaker 1: Mets have to survive against the Dodgers, which is the
Speaker 1: Mets playing to try and get back. You know, the
Speaker 1: Dodgers are trying to beat up the team that stole
Speaker 1: Dodger Blue from them, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: that was the that's how they came up with the
Speaker 1: Mets colors.
Speaker 4: That is it happened.
Speaker 1: That's what you was talking about that last time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they took the Dodger blue, and they took the orange
Speaker 1: from the from the Giants, and they even took their
Speaker 1: n y exactly their style of n y. It's the
Speaker 1: same one that the that the Giants had. So they
Speaker 1: took Dodger blue and the Giants orange and y and
Speaker 1: there you go. That was the Mets colors. So the.
Speaker 16: Giants fans to go over there, but the Dodgers fans
Speaker 16: that hell no man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they might have caught you know, okay my color,
Speaker 1: but no, no good.
Speaker 4: So what were you saying, Jimmy's.
Speaker 1: No yeah, sum Sammy.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, boy, he played with the Cubs.
Speaker 1: He's got he's got an odd look these days. He's
Speaker 1: it was it was Cuddy. Steroids will do that to you.
Speaker 1: Look at the size of Barry Bond's head.
Speaker 16: You know, Hey, I got a question. Here's a baseball.
Speaker 16: This is something I want to know. How did Big
Speaker 16: Poppy get a pass on on the roids. Man, everybody
Speaker 16: gets gets uh, you know, dirt thrown on him for
Speaker 16: a big Poppy just slid right through man like a
Speaker 16: you know, grease rail man.
Speaker 1: I was looking at Sosa's uh, and he's.
Speaker 16: Known to be he was known to be a juicer.
Speaker 16: Even I've talked to Boston fans at the Mariners Ballpark
Speaker 16: and they tell me he goes through side because you know,
Speaker 16: when he's juicing and when he's when he's laying off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do know, have told me that. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they don't care. They don't care. Look as long as
Speaker 1: we as long as we can beat the Yankees and
Speaker 1: the ghost of Babe Ruth, we don't give a crap.
Speaker 1: That's really what that's about.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Yeah, but didn't Big Poppy go right into the Hall
Speaker 16: of Fame?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problems. Now here's what's funny about Sammy Shosa.
Speaker 2: What you got I don't know?
Speaker 1: You know is I don't know. That's a weirduse. That
Speaker 1: is a big weird question.
Speaker 16: Question I got about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's got, you know, pictures of somebody I don't know,
Speaker 1: but something he's got, that's for sure. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what's funny about Sammy Sosas. You said, he's a Cub,
Speaker 1: and that's when he was at the height of his career. Uncle,
Speaker 1: is when he was a Chicago Cub. But you know
Speaker 1: he was also, yeah, but he was before that, he
Speaker 1: was a Chicago White Sox. And then after the Cubs,
Speaker 1: when the Cubs cut him loose, you know, when he
Speaker 1: had to stop juicing and he stopped hitting home runs,
Speaker 1: they gave him to the Baltimore Orioles. Then he took
Speaker 1: a year off in two thousand and six and came
Speaker 1: back with the Texas Rangers. So he played for a
Speaker 1: bunch of teams. Sammy said, he.
Speaker 4: Did, I know what talking about? Now said, so I
Speaker 4: don't know him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know him. There was another home I heard
Speaker 1: you think. Yeah, they went for the Cubs for a while.
Speaker 1: That it was from ninety two, from ninety two to
Speaker 1: two thousand and.
Speaker 16: Forty, you know, guire were racing for home run records.
Speaker 1: Man, right, yeah, well that was the thing. McGuire was
Speaker 1: the first one to break out, right, and he was, uh,
Speaker 1: well he started with the open A's but then where
Speaker 1: did he go? McGuire's He went to the he was,
Speaker 1: he was a cardinal. He was in Oaklan A. Then
Speaker 1: he was a cardinal.
Speaker 4: He was a cardinal.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, right, you know, he was a cardinal
Speaker 1: for a while, and he was also an Oakland a.
Speaker 1: That's where he got his That's where he got the
Speaker 1: big contract. Is when he was with the Oakland A's
Speaker 1: and he was on that team with Conseco and all that,
Speaker 1: right and the bash brothers. Banilla, the big bust Banita. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: the Mets brought him and he went right in the toilet.
Speaker 1: So the the Mets just finished paying off his contract,
Speaker 1: like last year, that guy Banilla. They had to defer series.
Speaker 1: They had to defer like his one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollar contract for like a decade, just keep paying
Speaker 1: him deferred payments. They paid him like ten years after
Speaker 1: he retired. What's that?
Speaker 4: How long was he there for?
Speaker 1: What with the Mets. He did two stints with the Mets,
Speaker 1: but one of them was like in ninety two or
Speaker 1: ninety one somewhere in there. That's when he signed the
Speaker 1: massive contract. It was the largest contract in like all
Speaker 1: baseball history. But let me see when maguire was with
Speaker 1: which team and then I'll check Benie out, but I
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, he did with St. Louis when he hit the most.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when he's Lewis heard him.
Speaker 1: But he got his fame. He rose to fame initially
Speaker 1: with the A's and they were realized he was a
Speaker 1: power hitter then. But then when he came back to
Speaker 1: when he went to uh, you know, when he went
Speaker 1: to Saint Louis, then all of a sudden, his arms,
Speaker 1: which were kind of big to begin with, they got freakish.
Speaker 1: They started calling him Popeye right because of the big
Speaker 1: freaking forearms. And if you remember MacGuire talking about, yeah,
Speaker 1: he had huge forearms. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was noticeable,
Speaker 1: and like baseball commentators like during spring training were going
Speaker 1: up to him like damn, Mark, you know, how'd you
Speaker 1: get so big? And he's like, oh, I've been training
Speaker 1: in the weight room a lot. I was like, yeah, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see Mark McGuire's teams. Where where is he at?
Speaker 1: They say at some point he played for the Padres too.
Speaker 1: Let's see.
Speaker 4: I would know if.
Speaker 16: Code number the doctor a little while too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just talking about his player days. You know
Speaker 1: he's playing days. He they say something about him being
Speaker 1: with the padres, right, but what teams were?
Speaker 16: So I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, I can't remember. They
Speaker 1: move around so much.
Speaker 4: It's mississid kick.
Speaker 1: So she what you know?
Speaker 2: Maybe she may because she I could have been during
Speaker 2: the era she was watching the game.
Speaker 1: Since she's living there, she may know.
Speaker 4: You may know the good question. May ask her that
Speaker 4: because I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, playoff actions so much. You talk about uncle.
Speaker 2: You're talking a lot more than we thought you might. Huh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's because I'm leaning over to the nice side.
Speaker 6: The tooth is it's on this side, but I'm leaning
Speaker 6: my tongue over.
Speaker 2: Yes, so people know issue with his teeth in the air.
Speaker 2: There's a different set of teeth than usual. But so
Speaker 2: we're working through it, but looking power through.
Speaker 6: I'm walking through it because I know I'm talking now
Speaker 6: not touching.
Speaker 16: The Probably use a drink, man, I'm thinking you could
Speaker 16: use a drink.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if that would help him or
Speaker 1: heard him with his uh talk.
Speaker 16: We have out of it, man, do we do?
Speaker 4: We live in person Joint two? We can let's you
Speaker 4: know what I need them.
Speaker 2: We need to add the mini fridge in this room,
Speaker 2: so I could just grab something. Yeah, I'd have to
Speaker 2: track to the downstairs and.
Speaker 1: Do that. I mean I could, I could.
Speaker 12: I just.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just looking at all the different chords on
Speaker 2: the floor Instagram. Instagram viewers will get to see all cords.
Speaker 2: Aren't those beautiful? All the chords on Instagram.
Speaker 16: We got all of those cords, and not one of
Speaker 16: those cords is going to the mini fridge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Contained that's problem.
Speaker 1: That's what the fridge could be. That would definitely have
Speaker 1: to get one. You got an open slot for the
Speaker 1: mini fridge. Huh yeah, we're all ready to go and
Speaker 1: see him here.
Speaker 4: I assume here it's meant to only use it, Well,
Speaker 4: we only use it on foot so we can put
Speaker 4: the drinks in it. You don't have to up and
Speaker 4: down the stairs.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I know. I know that's hard.
Speaker 4: To take a boat just to get the get drink.
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 4: I mean, so let us think about that.
Speaker 1: On here, think about it we will. I feel like,
Speaker 1: where are we at, Chuck? Is this the end of
Speaker 1: the show?
Speaker 12: Well, where we passed that?
Speaker 4: We don't know what we do?
Speaker 1: We're past that already.
Speaker 16: Who knows about the line.
Speaker 4: Anymore. People on the line start talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're they're on there, they're open. So whatever
Speaker 1: they want, let's go.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 1: People keep calling, keep calling.
Speaker 16: Come on man, Oh right, you can call in anonymous
Speaker 16: right now.
Speaker 1: There you go. Creative accidents could show up.
Speaker 4: Who did man?
Speaker 5: Who's the bent before he broke that record?
Speaker 1: Oh McGuire? Who are we asking about? McGuire?
Speaker 16: Bonds has a record? He had seventy three.
Speaker 4: One Yeah, yeah it was buns. Yeah yeah, it was buns.
Speaker 16: Seventy three home runs.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what McGuire was. Also, McGuire was also
Speaker 1: part of one of the Olympic teams, by the way,
Speaker 1: Oh he was. And according to his Wikipedia, which is
Speaker 1: the only place I found this put together properly. Uh,
Speaker 1: he only played for two teams, the Oakland A's and
Speaker 1: the Saint Was Cardinals. Now he became a coach for
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Dodgers's and the San Diego Padres. As
Speaker 1: I said, I knew he was somewhere in the Padre uniform,
Speaker 1: but this is the way it went. The Oakland A's
Speaker 1: he starts in eighty six and he finished his time
Speaker 1: as a rookie in eighty seven. I remember the eighty
Speaker 1: six card Baseball card was his rookie card. Anyways, that's
Speaker 1: in eighty six, right, So he starts his career in
Speaker 1: eighty six. All the way up to ninety seven, he
Speaker 1: was with the Oakland A's. Then in ninety seven, this
Speaker 1: is when he all of a sudden bulked up and
Speaker 1: his home run stats went from really good to insanely good.
Speaker 1: In ninety seven, he moves over to the Saint Louis Cardinals.
Speaker 1: He was with them for only four years, from ninety
Speaker 1: seven to two thousand and one. Then he returns as
Speaker 1: a coach McGuire. He returns as a coach in Saint
Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals ten twenty twelve, Los Angeles Dodgers from twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen to twenty fifteen, and the San Diego Padres from
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. So he got a bunch
Speaker 1: of two year contracts as like a hitting coach, ah
Speaker 1: hitting coach, he was an all star.
Speaker 16: That tells you if we forget about the Royds, he
Speaker 16: was respected as a guy that knew about hitting well.
Speaker 1: Right, and remember this, I told you he started to
Speaker 1: hit insanely well in ninety seven right, So he made
Speaker 1: the All start. He made twelve All Star appearances, and
Speaker 1: from eighty seven to ninety two he's in there. That's
Speaker 1: way before steroids. And then he got back in in
Speaker 1: ninety five and continued on to the year two thousand,
Speaker 1: So from ninety five to two thousand he's on the
Speaker 1: All Star team, and from eighty seven, which is really
Speaker 1: his first full year, to ninety two he's on the
Speaker 1: All Star team. Plus we got two World Series.
Speaker 16: He was respected in the game beyond the Royds as
Speaker 16: a guy who knew hitting or they're not going to
Speaker 16: hire him as a hitting coache right, and they His.
Speaker 1: First World Series appearance was in eighty nine. If you
Speaker 1: remember that, that was the Great Earthquake game. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: really the Freeway ses he there?
Speaker 4: Eight?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Freeway series between between the A's and what
Speaker 1: was the A's and the Dodgers, right in eighty nine?
Speaker 16: Right, No, No, that was the Giants in the A's
Speaker 16: the Dodgers. He was in the eighty eight series with
Speaker 16: the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: No, he well, he wasn't in that way, Well thought
Speaker 1: the Giants was in that one.
Speaker 16: Giants in the Earthquake. The year before he was with
Speaker 16: the A's when the Dodgers and A's, and the Dodgers
Speaker 16: beat the A's in eighty eight with McGuire.
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, you're correct about that. They swept the Giants.
Speaker 1: The Athletics swept the Giants in four games in eighty nine.
Speaker 1: That's what. That's the series eight nine. That's his first
Speaker 1: World Series appearance.
Speaker 16: So was in eighty eight though, too well with the
Speaker 16: A's against the Giants, I mean as against the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't say that here on his page, so
Speaker 1: I don't know. But let's just check real fast.
Speaker 16: Was he was he on the T I swear him
Speaker 16: and him and him? And what's the other guy? The
Speaker 16: guy that wrote the tell all book about the Royds? Uh?
Speaker 16: Roder clemen in the forearms at all?
Speaker 1: Roger Clemens.
Speaker 16: No, the the A's guy.
Speaker 7: Oh man.
Speaker 16: She starts with a set, yes, you what you want?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 16: Well maybe yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Series.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: You know what it didn't it did not, yes, guys,
Speaker 1: just to let you know. It didn't list it on
Speaker 1: his page. But I went and I checked deeper, and
Speaker 1: I see Mark maguire gets the Athletics their first victory
Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighty eight World Series with a walk
Speaker 1: off home run in game three, so that he was
Speaker 1: there and he participated in the World Series. That's true,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't on his page. I swear to you.
Speaker 1: It's not on his I'll take a screen shot.
Speaker 16: That's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not their career light.
Speaker 4: The Internet it has career highlights.
Speaker 1: You can't not always, no, not always. But I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you. Under career highlights, I'm gonna screenshot it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a screen grab. Under career Highlights, it shows
Speaker 1: All Star Game eighty seven to ninety two, right, And
Speaker 1: the next thing down is says two World Series. It
Speaker 1: only says for two for nineteen eighty nine and twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: It's strange that screwed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he was also the AL Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year in eighty seven. He's got one Gold Glove
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety. He's got three Silver Slugger Awards ninety two,
Speaker 1: ninety six. Again, this is before he's voids.
Speaker 4: I do remember.
Speaker 1: And here's the other Yeah, here's the other funny thing
Speaker 1: is he's the home run leader too. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: home run leader in eighty seven.
Speaker 16: Kind of was semi repentant. You know, he kind of apologized.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, here's the thing, and he was using human
Speaker 1: growth hormone if I remember correctly, which was kind of
Speaker 1: like a gray area.
Speaker 16: Yeah, and that shouldn't even be on the list, man,
Speaker 16: that's ridiculous, true. But here just helps those guys recover
Speaker 16: from any game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's the thing is that helps you recover
Speaker 1: from the injuries. It's not really but then again, so
Speaker 1: does steroids. See to me, some of these steroids are
Speaker 1: not exactly cheating. You know, if they use him to
Speaker 1: recover from an injury, it's not cheating. You know, you
Speaker 1: keep using it to enhance your performance, there's a problem.
Speaker 1: But anyway, in eighty seven as a rookie, remember he
Speaker 1: led the majors in home runs, So he's leading the
Speaker 1: majors in home runs for the steroids in eighty seven,
Speaker 1: ninety six, and ninety nine. Now ninety nine, you could
Speaker 1: say he was using the roids when he led in Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a bit much. He led in
Speaker 1: our RBI's RBI's he led the National League in RBI's
Speaker 1: and also led the majors in home runs. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: also in the Athletics Hall of Fame, the Saint Louis
Speaker 1: Cardinals Hall of Fame, and he's on the Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball All Century Team they call it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys know about that.
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, he should.
Speaker 1: I never heard of that.
Speaker 16: Well, I'm not like approving of the Roid stuff, but
Speaker 16: those those guys were good ballplayers and they deserve to
Speaker 16: be in the Hall of Fame and all that.
Speaker 1: McGuire would have everything.
Speaker 16: Like we said last, yeah.
Speaker 1: McGuire still would have been a great a great power
Speaker 1: hitter and a great hitter in general. You know, he
Speaker 1: did he cheat. I kind of think, you know, you
Speaker 1: could say he did, but honestly, you know, he would
Speaker 1: have been great anyway. It's not like that's the only place.
Speaker 16: Uh you know, they would have hit fewer home runs
Speaker 16: because really, what it does, it gives you. It makes
Speaker 16: you stronger, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I want.
Speaker 16: Maybe a little faster too.
Speaker 1: But you know what I wonder though, is it Bania
Speaker 1: if Bonilla going in the toilet is because he was
Speaker 1: on the Roids at the time. Him and Barry were,
Speaker 1: you know, on the same team, and of course Barry
Speaker 1: Bonds was kind of protecting him because you'd rather pitch
Speaker 1: to him than pitch the bonds. Maybe, you know, so
Speaker 1: you almost want to walk bonds, but you don't want
Speaker 1: to walk Bania and bonds, So it might have gotten
Speaker 1: him juicier chance with.
Speaker 16: The bases loaded.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah right, that's true, because you knew you were
Speaker 1: only going to get hurt for one.
Speaker 16: Run at least once with the bases loaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you knew you But Bana Bania though, he
Speaker 1: might have been on the roids and then you know,
Speaker 1: dropped it when he went to the Mets. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't need the roids anymore because I got I can't
Speaker 1: remember the exact figure, but you know what was the
Speaker 1: what was Bob when he is contract worth? Anyway, as
Speaker 1: we roll through this baseball stuff, but we are way
Speaker 1: over you know, time and whenever Uncle, we've I think
Speaker 1: we've achieved what we were out to achieve.
Speaker 6: The Uncle hit we hit to take that hit when Ed,
Speaker 6: when Eddie gets on the show, he kills my myself up.
Speaker 4: Sure you consider that?
Speaker 6: Yes, on talking and Jimmy for a minute, cold Jimmy
Speaker 6: King and a couple of Winton.
Speaker 1: Well, here's a big question. If Ed is the jackpot,
Speaker 1: what is creative accidents. Oh oh my, the mystery. It's
Speaker 1: like wearing the lottery. The mystery talker, mystery talkers, mystery.
Speaker 16: He's he's the what do they call what do they
Speaker 16: call those mega mega lottery things?
Speaker 1: Man, powerball?
Speaker 16: Not too late, man, the lines are still open. See
Speaker 16: a come on, man.
Speaker 1: And go. You can show up right now. And well,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I think we're.
Speaker 4: Hey, we goodn't have a good conversation, but I honestly
Speaker 4: do it. Who were going with the baseball? But all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, yeah it prow didn't mind. It's just
Speaker 4: but hold don't like to Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you know he is there.
Speaker 4: It is true.
Speaker 1: If Jimmy's still there, I don't know. Let me go
Speaker 1: check the line because I'm not even looking at it
Speaker 1: because people can just get in. Uh, Jimmy's still there
Speaker 1: and uh lines lines are still open. Hey, one quick
Speaker 1: note because I mentioned the whole Bobby Bana thing and
Speaker 1: why am I aggravated? Well, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: Bobby Bonia retired years ago from baseball. Right. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing is, if you read an article on July
Speaker 1: one of twenty twenty four, it says happy birthday Bobby
Speaker 1: Bonilla okay, uh, and why do you say that? Because
Speaker 1: they are paying him. Okay, they have paid Bobby Bonia
Speaker 1: more than a million.
Speaker 4: Dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Okay, on each July first since twenty eleven. So they've
Speaker 1: been paying more than a million dollars a year for
Speaker 1: a guy who hasn't played for them in over a decade,
Speaker 1: because they're still paying off his contract.
Speaker 4: Did he deign to la When did he be telling?
Speaker 4: When did he be saying to tell you?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna take a look now, because
Speaker 1: that was my next question is wait a minute, how
Speaker 1: long has it been? He's not even playing? I know,
Speaker 1: I know, right a minute. I mean, I know it's been.
Speaker 16: Like I used to understand, I sympathize with Chuck because
Speaker 16: baseball stuff gets under your just gets under your skin.
Speaker 16: Back when oh, uh, what's his name? He's on the
Speaker 16: Dodgers now, but he's injured. But he drilled Handley Ramirez
Speaker 16: in the twenty fourteen playoffs in the ribs and cracked
Speaker 16: his ribs. Ohs hit or that your first game, first
Speaker 16: at bat disabled the guy?
Speaker 1: Oh I can't, I can't.
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's the guy who Kelly Kelly Origin. But Benita
Speaker 16: is the thorn in Chuck's side in baseball. I know
Speaker 16: those thorns.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the deal, I.
Speaker 16: Got plenty of them.
Speaker 1: The worst thing, the worst thing about Bobby Banie is
Speaker 1: this ed he retired. Are you ready for this? Bobby
Speaker 1: Bania retired from Major League Baseball after the two thousand
Speaker 1: and one Series season. Yeah, exciting money, So he retired.
Speaker 1: Understand this. He retired twenty three years ago, and for
Speaker 1: the past decade, the Mets have been paying him a
Speaker 1: million dollars a year every year on his birthday.
Speaker 16: Okay, yeah, you know, Toni's huge contract, a huge, record
Speaker 16: breaking you know Tony contract. Most of that is downloaded
Speaker 16: to the end of his career and after his career.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the funny thing about They got.
Speaker 16: Those baseball fines for if you're over too big a payroll. Yep,
Speaker 16: So they deferred a lot of a tiny's money till
Speaker 16: after he's going to be gone.
Speaker 1: Well, there wasn't even a salary cap, you know.
Speaker 16: You know what I'm saying. I think Bonia had a
Speaker 16: thing like that.
Speaker 1: Bonia got at the time in nineteen ninety one or whatever,
Speaker 1: he got the largest baseball contract in history. And here's
Speaker 1: the funny thing. According to this thing on the first
Speaker 1: thing that pops up the AI overview, okay on Google
Speaker 1: says this, you're ready. He will continue to receive payments
Speaker 1: from the New York Mets until ready twenty thirty five,
Speaker 1: when he will be seventy when he will be seventy two.
Speaker 1: Didn't they get into is he's called a pension. Damn
Speaker 1: if that's not even a pinchick.
Speaker 16: You can have more payroll for other players.
Speaker 1: This isn't his pension, Aaron, this is the payments. To
Speaker 1: defer hold on, let me finish the sentence. He will
Speaker 1: continue to receive payments from the New York Mets until
Speaker 1: twenty thirty five, when he will be seventy two years old.
Speaker 1: This is due to a deferred salary arrangement that the
Speaker 1: Mets Pia when he was traded away from the team
Speaker 1: before the two thousand and one series, because he was
Speaker 1: such garbage on the team that they couldn't get rid
Speaker 1: of him, and he had a thing in his contract
Speaker 1: where it was like you, you can't trade me without
Speaker 1: my approval. So the only way the Mets could get
Speaker 1: him to approve is say, look, we'll trade you away.
Speaker 1: Whatever the other team pays, you, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: We're going to backload your pay so that your contract
Speaker 1: from us. We're still going to pay the whole contract,
Speaker 1: but over time.
Speaker 4: So they see what you mean.
Speaker 2: That's what's called nice work. If you can get it,
Speaker 2: is what you call that.
Speaker 4: I see what you mean by that.
Speaker 16: Now, still what the counter to that is?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 16: Good about twelve ten, twelve years ago, they offered Clayton
Speaker 16: Kershaw when he was at his prime. They offered him
Speaker 16: like a ten year, three hundred and fifty million. That
Speaker 16: was the biggest thing anybody every man. He said, Man,
Speaker 16: I yeah, that much per season. I earned that, but
Speaker 16: I can't guarantee I'm going to pitch at this level
Speaker 16: for that long. And he said, let's let's shorten that.
Speaker 16: And now he goes on one year contracts because he's
Speaker 16: always injured and everything. So there's a guy that had
Speaker 16: a little integrity as all you know. And because he said, no,
Speaker 16: I'm not going to take that long of a contract
Speaker 16: I can't get I can't be sure I'm going to
Speaker 16: live up to to the performance that I'm doing now
Speaker 16: that is worth that money. And so let's let's shorten it.
Speaker 16: And that's what they did.
Speaker 19: Well, they're getting some more theys now saying what he said,
Speaker 19: what edged It depends on how you define.
Speaker 16: You know, Bernia. You know, I'm not blaming him. He
Speaker 16: got that contract. You can make him pay it. You know,
Speaker 16: even if he sucked, I.
Speaker 4: Believe he do.
Speaker 1: Well. What was funny is, you know him and Bonds
Speaker 1: both went out into the market at the same time,
Speaker 1: and the Mets were trying to get either one, and
Speaker 1: I remember it, it was like, oh crap, they didn't
Speaker 1: get Bonds because Bonds wanted to go to San Francisco.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to go to the Mets. That was
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 16: And when they went to go get Panilla, I heard
Speaker 16: nobody wanted Bonds. He got black balled.
Speaker 1: No his price Well, okay, so Bond's price was pretty high.
Speaker 1: But the crazy thing is Benia got paid more. And
Speaker 1: the reason why is because it was like, we want
Speaker 1: all these guys from the A's and they wanted to
Speaker 1: like strip the whole thing. Remember it was like we
Speaker 1: want the Bass brothers and that was all of them,
Speaker 1: and they wanted all their heavy hitters and they tried.
Speaker 1: They were all free agents at the same time, and
Speaker 1: Bonds and Benilla. It was like the race the Mets
Speaker 1: were trying to get both of them because I used
Speaker 1: to keep like deep track of that crap at the time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, you're dirting that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, bon he was. He was finally you didn't know
Speaker 16: he was finally diminishing. But he was still going to
Speaker 16: hit you twenty five thirty home runs, yeah, and you know,
Speaker 16: hit two eighty and who doesn't need a guy like
Speaker 16: that in their lineup?
Speaker 1: Well, and the hilarious thing is is that bonds not bonds.
Speaker 1: But his contract starts out as only only twenty nine
Speaker 1: million dollars. And the twenty nine million dollars isn't so bad.
Speaker 1: You're saying yourself, well, why do I got to pay
Speaker 1: him over the course of like twenty years. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It also includes ready interest. There's an interest payment added
Speaker 1: to it. So as that compounds, that's what did it
Speaker 1: twenty five years? They pay it out over twenty five
Speaker 1: years with an eight percent interest. Now think about that.
Speaker 1: If five they're saying about six million dollars of it
Speaker 1: was like he had eight percent on the six million dollars.
Speaker 1: So if you compound that annually, lived.
Speaker 16: Really good off of his interest.
Speaker 1: Man, I'll take his interest listen, pay me to do
Speaker 1: anything for his interest pretty much. Yeah, but it's crazy,
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 16: I could retire a long time ago on his interests.
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah.
Speaker 16: So, so keep it in your mind, uncle, that yeah,
Speaker 16: but so bad. He had a good agent, man, Yeah,
Speaker 16: I know he working for it.
Speaker 1: He did, he had it was that Scott's banker or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was that Scott. Remember that guy. He was the
Speaker 1: biggest agent in the in the nineties. I think it
Speaker 1: was Boris, Yeah, Boris right.
Speaker 16: Yes, Scott. Boris is notorious for getting guys good, you know,
Speaker 16: getting big money for guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 16: The teams won't even deal with Boris, right.
Speaker 1: They don't even want to forget it is that guy
Speaker 1: then we're we're gonna have to find another way and.
Speaker 16: Refused to deal with him. That's why there they never wind.
Speaker 1: Okay, un we hit, we hit that hit. The end
Speaker 1: of the show here, end of the Okay, uncle, one
Speaker 1: one last thing you remember that, one last thing to
Speaker 1: remember before we do shout outs. Uncle. Okay, we'll organize
Speaker 1: the shoutouts and get you out of here. But you
Speaker 1: know that Atani contracts it's twenty three and a third
Speaker 1: times the amount that Bonilla was paid in his initial contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's all deferred to and it's got all these days.
Speaker 6: Yeah, people, Tony can wish he got the series.
Speaker 4: He's got one thing coming ahead of him as much.
Speaker 16: Hey, uncle, one time, when you when you're feeling better, brother,
Speaker 16: we got to talk about your animosity toward towards a Tani.
Speaker 16: It's not his fault. The Angels couldn't be to get
Speaker 16: a winning team around him.
Speaker 1: No, they never did.
Speaker 4: They never came.
Speaker 1: The point is.
Speaker 4: They never could look at look at what the other guys.
Speaker 16: To build around Trout and Otani.
Speaker 4: He's just sitting there.
Speaker 16: Otani's on a team who has a bunch of wealthy,
Speaker 16: rich guys who love baseball, and they're willing to spend
Speaker 16: on putting a good team together. Be happy for a
Speaker 16: time there you go, So Ed good players around him,
Speaker 16: and he's in the playoffs for the first time.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Ed, Ed. Although I love Ed, although I love
Speaker 1: all this, uncle's calling it so I got to help
Speaker 1: him usher it out. Go ahead with your shout out
Speaker 1: and we'll get through you. And Jimmy James is waiting
Speaker 1: on the line. I want to give him a chance.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 16: My shout out is to Uncle himself because feeling as
Speaker 16: bad as he does with the dental work and everything,
Speaker 16: he still came on and let us talk some baseball
Speaker 16: and everything.
Speaker 1: Thank you Uncle, exactly. Uncle still being a trooper. We
Speaker 1: love hearing from Ed. Ed. You know what's funny is
Speaker 1: I put in a special identifier on the switchboard, uh,
Speaker 1: for when Ed calls in, and actually it's it's custom.
Speaker 1: It actually says Ed the mailing guy. I put that
Speaker 1: in years ago because Aaron tells me, hey, look you
Speaker 1: should see these packages, and they's showing me pictures of
Speaker 1: packages that Ed had sent to Aaron. Remarkable stuff. Ed
Speaker 1: would put a whole lot of thought and energy into
Speaker 1: things that he mail pack. I need to I need
Speaker 1: to figure out one that I can actually make it
Speaker 1: to source subject.
Speaker 6: Because I was you hit something? Yeh, you hit something
Speaker 6: because I do this call it uh these letters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, transition man. I'm sorry, transition man. Miss.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to shut it down.
Speaker 2: My shout out is quick to post office boxes and
Speaker 2: the like providers on them, providers of mail boxes.
Speaker 1: Box all of you p O boxes and the people
Speaker 1: that love them. All right, I'm still getting my shout out,
Speaker 1: but we should go to Jimmy. Jim Jimmy, Jimmy James,
Speaker 1: you get to actually speak. Go ahead your shout outs, brother, Yeah.
Speaker 19: Shout out to the Dodgers.
Speaker 6: I uh misspoke earlier.
Speaker 4: Of course you didn't get to Sham and so so
Speaker 4: you've got Tommy so which is even better.
Speaker 20: Okay, all right, the big fat Tommy last.
Speaker 1: Yea, that's a hell of a mix up. Jimmy, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jimmy, that is a hell of a
Speaker 1: mix up between Tommy Lasorda and Sammy Sosa. You would
Speaker 1: never mix those two guys up in a bar, no
Speaker 1: matter how drunk you are. I'm just saying, the guy
Speaker 1: who does the Tom's commercials versus the home run Simon
Speaker 1: and he talked like that. And you got Tommy Lasorda,
Speaker 1: who sounds like the l A version of I don't
Speaker 1: know me. Uh no, Tommy Lasorda. Wow, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a whole other topic. Getting to Jimmy James is so
Speaker 1: shout out to Tom's. Didn't you do the Tom's commercials?
Speaker 1: Tommy Lasorda, right, Tom's commercials?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's doing the Special Lives.
Speaker 1: Oh he did swim fast, swim fast, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember it.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, he did swim fast for the like to
Speaker 4: do because like him, because of the I have a feeling, yes,
Speaker 4: it would. I believe that's what it was because of him.
Speaker 4: I have a feeling I think it was.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 4: Now they're thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Oh, isn't it strange? Isn't it strange when you see
Speaker 1: people like you know, they they just go for a
Speaker 1: product because somebody they like endorses it. In that wild
Speaker 1: it's like, well that musician drinks that soda, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna drink it, or you know, they like that. They
Speaker 1: like Avion. They had rock stars selling Avion bottles of
Speaker 1: water when bottled water was like a rare, like high
Speaker 1: end thing. Right, It's like, go get the Avion. That's
Speaker 1: the good water. That's the water rock stars drink.
Speaker 2: Right, That's that's why they're paid so much to endorse it.
Speaker 1: And long before anybody came up with the word influencers, right,
Speaker 1: there were influenswers out there. It was like, look the
Speaker 1: guy from Metallica, he he eats the ritos, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the guys from Stone Temple Pilots, Love Taco Bell,
Speaker 1: go for It, Go run for the Border with the
Speaker 1: guys from Stone Temple Pilots or what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: making stuff up here obviously, but it's still funny. Next
Speaker 1: next weight, what's coming up?
Speaker 6: We're going to talk about what we're talking only about
Speaker 6: about these guys and.
Speaker 4: Do all in and he can straighten him out.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna try you out. So we're gonna try Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna try and set up my idea. Okay, damn out.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're.
Speaker 4: Gonna talking about right, we're gonna try my idea.
Speaker 1: We talked about it off air, but we're gonna try
Speaker 1: my idea where we're gonna call into other shows that
Speaker 1: are now copying us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about
Speaker 1: it off air. So just for the listeners to know
Speaker 1: what Uncle's talking about, we're gonna call in other shows
Speaker 1: that are now copying us. It seems like they suddenly
Speaker 1: decided to start doing Friday night open mic because they're
Speaker 1: copying the Ocelli Radio Network. So the Uncle Show is
Speaker 1: gonna call them. What do you think of that?
Speaker 4: Open open.
Speaker 1: We'll give you an open line. Here's Uncle. What do
Speaker 1: you what do you want there? Ladies and gentlemen over
Speaker 1: there at that other calling show, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: What do you say?
Speaker 6: That's the p's.
Speaker 2: That could be a good promotional effort by us. There
Speaker 2: you go, Well, okay, well we made it. Uncle, we've
Speaker 2: through Friday.
Speaker 1: Kate Pasa k pasa radio you know, uh Gomsodicia. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, k pasa, Oh I know, k pasa,
Speaker 1: hop along, Kimo sabi. All right, there we go, well
Speaker 1: other there you go, see if they can sort that out?
Speaker 1: All right? Do you speak Uncle ease? Do you speak
Speaker 1: Uncle ease?
Speaker 19: I won't get all right, I say, Uncle, bring us home, brother.
Speaker 1: And talk.
Speaker 4: Can't talk on my laning on my show.
Speaker 1: Now you getting me to go? Okay, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 4: You won't understood it. I know you won't be able
Speaker 4: to talk.
Speaker 1: You got me on that one.
Speaker 4: I know you'd be sitting here listening.
Speaker 1: To go ahead, Uncle, bring us on home with almost
Speaker 1: an hour of the Uncle Show. Anyway, But go AHEADY.
Speaker 4: Three, three hundred and forty eight in the history books.
Speaker 1: Brother, there you go figure out.
Speaker 16: Good Bye,