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Speaker 1: Welcome to the ACR boiler Room, where we're going to
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Speaker 1: us and more importantly to you. There's only one rule
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Speaker 1: I've got Patrick henningson from twenty first Century Wire dot
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Speaker 1: of the pirate airwaves known as podcasting. Welcome Patrick. How
Speaker 1: has the news hounding been going since you wrapped up
Speaker 1: last week's Sunday Wire, which was epic by.
Speaker 4: The way, Thanks? And I think I think, Esher, the
Speaker 4: one rule should be to talk about boiler room for now,
Speaker 4: because you want people to talk about it so that
Speaker 4: they can get interested in share it with their friends.
Speaker 4: So talk about boiler room.
Speaker 1: Right there, you go. I just get hung up on
Speaker 1: that fight club thing when I think there's only one rule.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you hung up on the tile. It's called
Speaker 4: the Tiler Durden Complex.
Speaker 1: The Durdan Complex. I get that sometimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, I've been on the road the last couple
Speaker 4: of days, and we can talk about that later. But
Speaker 4: I traveled from Phoenix to Carson City, Nevada to cover
Speaker 4: the new Land Rights States Rights Land Rights Bill, which
Speaker 4: is being introduced into the Nevada state legislature and being
Speaker 4: obviously backed by the Bundies among other people and ranchers
Speaker 4: and farmers and thousands of other people in Nevada who
Speaker 4: want to see this bill go through. So I was
Speaker 4: kind of embedded on the Bundy bus and so yeah,
Speaker 4: round the clock, last forty eight hours, that's what I've
Speaker 4: been doing. But on the road, going through some interesting
Speaker 4: country in Nevada.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yes, Nevada is a very interesting place. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean some of the towns between Nevada. To put
Speaker 4: between Las Vegas and Carson City. That's like the endless
Speaker 4: bus ride. It's like it could have been twenty four hours,
Speaker 4: but I think it was only about six or seven,
Speaker 4: but it seemed like twenty four hours. It's just the
Speaker 4: longest of the long the drives, and there's a couple
Speaker 4: of desolate towns on that On that road, it's not
Speaker 4: not a double lane highway. It's just you know, one
Speaker 4: lane going up, the other lane coming back with a
Speaker 4: dotted line in the middle. So very small freeway, but
Speaker 4: a couple of towns look like they've been wiped out.
Speaker 4: They look like nuclear test sites. And mind you, that's
Speaker 4: not far away from the area as well, when you're
Speaker 4: passing through the Edge of Death Valley, but literally towns
Speaker 4: that are just there's no activity whatsoever in the buildings
Speaker 4: are just completely dilapidated and grass growing out of the
Speaker 4: roof of some of the house. I mean, it's just shocking.
Speaker 4: I heard you can buy it. You can buy a
Speaker 4: house and a plot of land for two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. You could only beat that in Detroit, right.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, yeah, in Detroit is giving it away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those roads are crazy. I've driven some of those
Speaker 1: roads too, and it's like you can really kind of
Speaker 1: get in that transfixed zone because those roads are so
Speaker 1: straight and narrow and there's so few cars and they
Speaker 1: just go into the horizon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple of oasis towns there, Tone of
Speaker 4: Paul and all these which were great hunting towns back
Speaker 4: in the day, you know, the days of the deer
Speaker 4: hunting and stuff. So gambling, little casino there, saloons hotels,
Speaker 4: so these are historic and also cold mining destinations are
Speaker 4: on the way out for the gold rush. But it
Speaker 4: changed a lot. The state of Nevada has changed a lot,
Speaker 4: and that's what this bill that they're introducing is really
Speaker 4: all about. It's about trying to gain some access back
Speaker 4: to the land because the federal government's pretty much locked
Speaker 4: it up. The name of the bills AB four zero
Speaker 4: eight Nevada State Legislature and there's a story about it
Speaker 4: up on twenty Firs Centric Wire. But it's pretty amazing
Speaker 4: twelve months after the standoff at Bundy Ranch that they
Speaker 4: would be presenting a bill like this in the legislature.
Speaker 4: And there's quite a few assembly men and women who
Speaker 4: are behind it, so it's not just coming out of
Speaker 4: left field. This is something that a lot of people
Speaker 4: in the state want. And there's similar pieces of legislation
Speaker 4: that are going forward in Utah and Arizona, but I
Speaker 4: think the one in Nevada passes constitutional muster better than
Speaker 4: any of them. I don't know about the Arizona one though,
Speaker 4: I need to go do a little research on that,
Speaker 4: but hopefully we're going to cover that on the Sunday
Speaker 4: Wire Show. But so there's something happening. There's a tide building, right, and.
Speaker 1: Is this the type of thing that's going to bring
Speaker 1: farmers back to Nevada, Because I know the Bundys are
Speaker 1: one of the last remaining families that are in that
Speaker 1: particular county, and there used to be a lot more, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as Ryan Bundy on one of the many Bundy sons.
Speaker 4: But as Ryan Bundy said very eloquently yesterday or the
Speaker 4: day before, he said, back when the BLM, the Bureau
Speaker 4: of Land Management is the federal department under the Department
Speaker 4: of Interior near the land managers, will they manage eighty
Speaker 4: five percent of Nevada's land. But some people in the
Speaker 4: BLM have been on record as saying they own the land.
Speaker 4: So when they came into existence sometime in the twentieth century,
Speaker 4: I think nineteen seventies, I'm not sure, but there was
Speaker 4: two BLM agents that were liaising with fifty three or
Speaker 4: fifty six ranchers in southern Nevada, and today there's over
Speaker 4: two hundred BLM agents liaising with one rancher.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that gives you an idea of it, that
Speaker 4: tells you the whole story in a nutshell, is to
Speaker 4: the federal mandate and how large it's become and how
Speaker 4: restrictive it access to the land is. So and these aren't.
Speaker 1: These aren't people that are just liaising. They are taking
Speaker 1: an enforcement role, right, They're actually have armed agents patrolling
Speaker 1: these lands and telling people what they can and can't
Speaker 1: do on what should be public land, what was originally
Speaker 1: public land. And they were just a management agency.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's correct, that's what that's what you have now.
Speaker 4: And as we saw last year, some of these agents
Speaker 4: are better armed than some of our soldiers we'd send
Speaker 4: into places like Iraq or presently in Afghanistan. So this
Speaker 4: is more than just a you know, wilderness agent, you
Speaker 4: know forestry or fish ation. This is something much much bigger.
Speaker 4: So they originally came into being the BLM was to
Speaker 4: settle disputes between farmers and so that is, and also
Speaker 4: to help do some range improvements. And help with the
Speaker 4: infrastruct sure water getting water from A to B, and
Speaker 4: fences and all these things that allow these people to
Speaker 4: work together in the same sort of neighborhood, if you will,
Speaker 4: of the wilderness, and their role and their mandate just
Speaker 4: increases increases as federal government does. So that's what happens,
Speaker 4: and that's where we're at today. So this is a
Speaker 4: bill that it's not a revolutionary bill. It's more of
Speaker 4: a I think the people who wrote it see it
Speaker 4: more as a correction. It's kind of a reset back
Speaker 4: to when Nevada attained statehood back in eighteen sixty four.
Speaker 4: The Constitution was very clear that all lands when Nevada
Speaker 4: was a territory, that was all under federal control, and
Speaker 4: when the moment Nevada became a state, then those lands
Speaker 4: would have to be turned over to the state except
Speaker 4: for essential federal buildings, arsenals, military bases, other youthful federal
Speaker 4: buildings and lands and so forth. So that never happened
Speaker 4: in any of most of the Western states, so California, Nevada, Arizona,
Speaker 4: Utah and others as well, I think eleven in total.
Speaker 4: So each of them with their own individual unique issues,
Speaker 4: is a big thing. If a bill like this passes, Uh,
Speaker 4: it's it's huge. You know, it's really a massive sea
Speaker 4: change in government in the United States, whereby states will
Speaker 4: have you know, retaken some of the original powers that
Speaker 4: they were granted in the US Constitution. So those have
Speaker 4: been all reversed, Uh, you know, two hundred years later
Speaker 4: or whatever how long it's been, and now you have
Speaker 4: a situation where the powers flowing down from Whathington, d C.
Speaker 4: Through the states and into local communities, whereas before the
Speaker 4: power flowed from counties up through states and whatever was
Speaker 4: left they could do and have in Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: That's all been inverted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds sort of like a constitutional republic. I've
Speaker 1: I haven't seen one of those in a long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of the idea behind it. That's the
Speaker 4: difference between a constitutional republic and other forms of government
Speaker 4: or nation states. So so yeah, it's a bold move
Speaker 4: and it's gonna there's a lot of resistance to it.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of convoluted arguments that are going to
Speaker 4: be made against a piece of legislation like that. But
Speaker 4: I think the timing is is right. The timing is
Speaker 4: as good as it's ever been. And I think what
Speaker 4: happened last year on Bundy Ranch, funny enough, has really
Speaker 4: helped people to be more open to this bill and
Speaker 4: more receptive because it really showed last year just how
Speaker 4: completely out of control the federal government really is. Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I couldn't believe some of the images and reports
Speaker 1: I was hearing.
Speaker 4: From that event. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. So, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: what's going on. And I think Basil Valentine sent me
Speaker 4: a message he's wanting to jump into the boy of
Speaker 4: the room.
Speaker 1: All right, okay, let's add him up here.
Speaker 4: If you've got him on your list. I sure do.
Speaker 1: He's coming in right now.
Speaker 4: Who else have you Who else who's jumping in here tonight?
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully we'll have Sean, although I haven't heard back
Speaker 1: from him. And if there's any other ACR regulars that
Speaker 1: want to jump in, they're all welcome to.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's what I've been doing for the last
Speaker 4: two days. So it's been interesting to say the least.
Speaker 4: And you know, the press conference out there was a
Speaker 4: mob scene and they I think they had some paid
Speaker 4: agitators coming in with signs. There was one guy with
Speaker 4: the American Indian guy that came out and his science says, Bundy,
Speaker 4: get off my land. So he's kind of claiming title
Speaker 4: to everything, really, so I thought that's not going to
Speaker 4: go too far. But Cliven Bundy was quite gracious and
Speaker 4: invited him to come up and speak and said, I
Speaker 4: sympathize with your people, and we've both been done wrong
Speaker 4: by the federal government. And he started going into the
Speaker 4: treaties and everything, and the guy was completely disarmed at
Speaker 4: that point and didn't know what to do, and he
Speaker 4: ran away after that because it was just too confusing.
Speaker 4: He was expecting old Cliven to reach out with such
Speaker 4: a kind gesture. But it was interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 1: Way to go Cliven. That's an awesome story right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I saw a few immedia provocateurs, one person
Speaker 4: who was masquerading as a journalist for NBC local affiliate
Speaker 4: up there. I don't know if she was from Vegas
Speaker 4: or Carson City, but that was shocking. She was not.
Speaker 4: She was there with the other the protesters against Bundy
Speaker 4: before and then her camera crew arrived. She jumped out
Speaker 4: and became a journalist. It was amazing to watch, and
Speaker 4: she was incredibly condescending. Told me, I need a lesson
Speaker 4: in civics. But yeah, so unbelievable the things that go on.
Speaker 4: You know, when something and an Apache helicopter came and
Speaker 4: buzzed the press conference and this is the middle of
Speaker 4: the capital of the nevadat Carson City, so that was weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have no business doing that, right.
Speaker 4: That was so weird. Yeah, yeah, I took a photo
Speaker 4: of it, but it wasn't that. The copter's not that
Speaker 4: big in the photo because I was I had a
Speaker 4: tripod set up and I didn't realize the thing was
Speaker 4: going to do a few circles around us, but it did.
Speaker 4: And I don't know why, but they just there's going
Speaker 4: to be a lot of overreaction to anything Bundy related,
Speaker 4: so by the state. But very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely in their best interest to make him
Speaker 1: and his supporters look as bad as possible.
Speaker 4: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're always expecting the worst,
Speaker 4: and you know, it's incredible, but nobody ever wants to
Speaker 4: point any well, some people don't want to point any
Speaker 4: finger or blame whatsoever at the federal government and the
Speaker 4: BLM thugs. That's we can't criticize them. They were within
Speaker 4: their rights. They made up all sorts of stories about
Speaker 4: what Bundy did, what he didn't do, that he didn't
Speaker 4: pay his grazing fees and all this stuff, and you
Speaker 4: keep reading this over and over. Associated Press were there,
Speaker 4: they printed an article and they repeated that same lie
Speaker 4: that he owes grazing fees they have racked up over
Speaker 4: the years, and that's a complete fabrication. I even think
Speaker 4: the BLM hasn't even stated that on record. It's just
Speaker 4: a rumor that circulated through the media that seems to
Speaker 4: have a long lifespan. But he had no contract. I
Speaker 4: believe after nineteen ninety five or ninety three, he had
Speaker 4: no contract with the federal government for grazing fees. So
Speaker 4: how can you owe something when you have no contractual obligation.
Speaker 1: To have had to explain that to so many different
Speaker 1: people about this, it's like that everyone just jumps right
Speaker 1: to that. They've been programmed by the mainstream media to say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he owes federal taxes because that's federal land. No it's not,
Speaker 1: it's public land. And even I heard him say once
Speaker 1: that he tried to pay extra taxes. He said, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: if I owe taxes, I'll pay that to the state
Speaker 1: of Nevada and there was no tax code. Do we
Speaker 1: even accept said taxes correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, into Clark County. Yeah, they had nothing to
Speaker 4: They didn't have a number, uh to file it under.
Speaker 4: So you know that check went uncashed. That is my understanding.
Speaker 4: But they wrote in there. It's another misnomer. People think
Speaker 4: that the BLM wrote in because of unpaid tax as well,
Speaker 4: you know, in the kind of style of the irs.
Speaker 4: That's not true. They came in on a court order.
Speaker 4: It's my understanding from what I've seen. They came in
Speaker 4: on a court order, which is an Environmental Protection Agency
Speaker 4: EPA cord order, which is a stipulating that Bundy ranch
Speaker 4: the public lands which he grazes his cattle. This is
Speaker 4: a large area. You know, ranchers use public lands to graze.
Speaker 4: They don't own all that land, but they're making beneficial
Speaker 4: use of it obviously, So that is it was. It
Speaker 4: was chosen to be a mitigation area for the desert tortoise.
Speaker 4: And again the Associated Press said they're endangered, and I
Speaker 4: don't think they're endangered, they're protected. There's a difference between
Speaker 4: between those two things, is my understanding. If they're in danger, yeah,
Speaker 4: if they were in danger, they wouldn't have euthanized a
Speaker 4: thousand of them at the Las Vegas Desert Tortoise Sanctuary
Speaker 4: this past December, which they did. They wouldn't have euthanized
Speaker 4: them if they were endangered, so they didn't know what
Speaker 4: to do with them. They're protected. So again this is
Speaker 4: associated press. They don't fact check, they don't know what
Speaker 4: they're talking about. Quite frankly, maybe they're nice people, but
Speaker 4: you know, it shows you what passes for a journalism
Speaker 4: these days. It's pretty shocking. So anyway, that's what they
Speaker 4: came in for a turtle. So they moved Bundy's cows
Speaker 4: off the land, or said thought they had an agency
Speaker 4: to do that because this was the new sanctuary for
Speaker 4: the desert tortoise. So that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been out in those deserts before where
Speaker 1: those tortoises are protected, and I've talked to people that
Speaker 1: have worked like outdoors their whole lives there and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never seen one, or i've seen one maybe once.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like they're all over the place
Speaker 1: and they're all getting trampled by cattle.
Speaker 4: Sure, and bundies weren't killing turtles and their cows weren't
Speaker 4: killing turtles. They designated that area for relocation of turtles
Speaker 4: that would be displaced from projects like a solar plant
Speaker 4: with NN Chinese US joint venture energy firm, or the
Speaker 4: Pipe massive pipeline project going from Colorado to California, so
Speaker 4: that there would be some displacement there of species. But
Speaker 4: I mean, this is all basically stuff made up in
Speaker 4: scientific studies. That's best estimate, best estimate, So you don't
Speaker 4: know how many turtles have been killed displaced. They run
Speaker 4: by charts and formulas and based on studies and population
Speaker 4: studies of these animals. But to say so the bundies
Speaker 4: didn't do anything wrong. They're just there minding their own business,
Speaker 4: essentially trying to make a living, and a very meager
Speaker 4: living at that because of the restrictions that they're under
Speaker 4: with the working alongside or on land managed by the BLM.
Speaker 4: So very difficult situation. And that's why this he's the
Speaker 4: last rancher because most of them just couldn't make a
Speaker 4: They couldn't make a living, definitely couldn't turn a profit,
Speaker 4: and that's why there's only one cattle rancher in Clark County,
Speaker 4: and that's a big county by the way, Clark County
Speaker 4: is huge.
Speaker 1: And it's down from it used to be what fifty two,
Speaker 1: fifty one.
Speaker 4: Something, fifty to fifty three. Wow, yeah, fifty three. That
Speaker 4: was the number one beef producing patch of land in
Speaker 4: the world one point. That's my understanding. And now it's
Speaker 4: not even the top whatever, you know, letting in the
Speaker 4: top thousand probably and.
Speaker 1: The rest of these ranchers that have been forced out,
Speaker 1: I assume they've been forced out by similar draconian EPA
Speaker 1: regulations in BLM.
Speaker 4: Yes, the combination of that plus the other technique the
Speaker 4: BLM uses is to reduce the herd, the number of
Speaker 4: herds per head they can have on this land for
Speaker 4: environmental reasons or the BLM the federal government say no,
Speaker 4: you're overgrazing. You need to cut your numbers down. And
Speaker 4: each year they want to cut them down to the
Speaker 4: point where it's not even worth running cattle. And there's
Speaker 4: other other things techniques that are used to get rid
Speaker 4: of them, and there's a big lobby behind that. It's
Speaker 4: like cattle Free by ninety three. This was running in
Speaker 4: the late eighties, and so there's definitely some political organizations
Speaker 4: that were actively seeking and working through some of the
Speaker 4: federal litigation facilities that were established to really their goals
Speaker 4: cattle free by ninety three, and they nearly they've achieved
Speaker 4: it pretty much. And then now there's a couple of
Speaker 4: other sayings, big slogans over the years that they're campaigning
Speaker 4: just want to get rid of beef production. Well, beef
Speaker 4: consumption hasn't dropped, not in Nevada either, but they want
Speaker 4: to get rid of production. So where would you get
Speaker 4: the beef from? Well, there's two places where you could
Speaker 4: import it from Mexico or Argentina, and Brazil is another place.
Speaker 4: But one of the big importers of beef more and
Speaker 4: more as the years goes by, is going to be
Speaker 4: who is going to be China? China's running the huge
Speaker 4: cattle industry and certain parts of China. And you know,
Speaker 4: is that beef going to be a very good quality?
Speaker 4: Is it going to be as good as is naturally
Speaker 4: grazed cows in places like Nevada? And I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I doubt it. I highly doubt that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and not fresh, and you know, long distance transport
Speaker 4: frozen probably expensive as well. Eventually, so you know, people
Speaker 4: don't think about these things. They like going to Applebee's
Speaker 4: and getting their steak, and where's that steak come from?
Speaker 4: How much is that costing?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: How much? You know, And I'm paying for Chateaubrion or
Speaker 4: Flea Mignon. I'm paying thirty forty bucks for a little
Speaker 4: six ounce you know, really a six ounce steak, and
Speaker 4: you know it shouldn't be that much.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: All the while, we're being told that we shouldn't have
Speaker 1: small farms here in the United States, and they're bulldozing
Speaker 1: rainforests in Argentina to build factory farms where they're going
Speaker 1: to import us inferior quality meat.
Speaker 4: Sure. Yeah, and they're opening McDonald lots of McDonald's. Is
Speaker 4: because people say, oh, McDonald's right, this job creation, you know,
Speaker 4: fast food. Oh we need to also get the minimum
Speaker 4: wage up for this McDonald's workers as well. Fantastic, wonderful. However,
Speaker 4: the factory beef industry for that fast food is some
Speaker 4: of the most scorched earth policy type agriculture in South
Speaker 4: America you can imagine. And that's a lot of it
Speaker 4: is to cater for global brands Burger Kings and McDonald's
Speaker 4: worldwide to deliver the volume that they need and quality
Speaker 4: is not essential there. But now if you go to
Speaker 4: any London restaurant or European restaurant, you're pretty sure that
Speaker 4: you're going to be eating Brazilian beef. Most of the
Speaker 4: time it's coming from Brazil, so it's not coming from Scotland.
Speaker 4: There's a few places that serve Scottish grass fed angus beef,
Speaker 4: you know, but it's most of it is coming from Brazil.
Speaker 4: I know because I used to work in that industry,
Speaker 4: so I could see what was coming through and what
Speaker 4: we used to buy. We ended up buying Brazilian beef.
Speaker 4: Is the only way we can get a good fill
Speaker 4: it at a decent price because the volume was coming
Speaker 4: into Europe, so the prices are manageable, you know. But
Speaker 4: that's the globalization, that's where it's heading. That's this is
Speaker 4: the new model inter meat, yeah, interdependency, import export. But
Speaker 4: I don't know enough on that. So that's going on there,
Speaker 4: and we'll be reporting more about this in the next
Speaker 4: coming weeks as well, so we can be down at
Speaker 4: the ranch in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: That's right. So it's the one year anniversary and by
Speaker 1: the way, Patrick, we have Basil joining us now.
Speaker 4: As well, Basil Valentine. Is he still in New York?
Speaker 2: No, but Basil is in London.
Speaker 4: Basil's in London. Okay.
Speaker 1: I like it when you gentlemen.
Speaker 4: I like it when you speaks third person. Basil's in London.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Big Apple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how is how is your staying in the
Speaker 1: Big Apple in general? I mean so I love you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't been there.
Speaker 5: I hadn't been there since nineteen eighty one. Think of that,
Speaker 5: you know, wow, people say it's it's much safer than
Speaker 5: it used to be. That's the zero tolerance policy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Giuliani's broken windows.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's studied even before that. I think
Speaker 5: it started in the nineties. I don't know, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 5: they cleaned out all the hookahs and the ney do wells,
Speaker 5: and you know it's from Second Avenue, you know, just to.
Speaker 2: Come on from the Horse on Second Devin. That's all gone,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Very safe now. You know.
Speaker 5: You can walk around get the subway anytime of day
Speaker 5: and night. The locals complain that the color has gone,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: Oh, is it getting a bit pale.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what the New World Order want, they
Speaker 5: wonder completely homogenized, die cast, blanched out society.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so and so the.
Speaker 2: FOU does and that's it, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And so?
Speaker 4: Also what else is homogenized in New York is also
Speaker 4: you know, food and beverage is becoming homogenized as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I I'd love to patronize the sort
Speaker 5: of name a deli and the corner store, you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: the independent outlets. So I had the greatest burglar I've
Speaker 5: had in a long time at a you know, neighborhood
Speaker 5: deli on a corner, you know. But yes, more and
Speaker 5: more chains, do you know what I mean? It's you know,
Speaker 5: this is the way it's going. Unfortunately, you know, mom
Speaker 5: and pop under pressure.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So what about the bars? Did you did you find
Speaker 4: any any good drinking holes that you could say I could?
Speaker 4: I could, I could park myself here like norm on
Speaker 4: Cheers and uh and drink here on a regular basis.
Speaker 2: Well, I found a place.
Speaker 5: A cigar bar, believe it or not, where you can
Speaker 5: actually smoke cigars indoors.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they've got the I haven't been to one,
Speaker 4: but I know that they've got them. They got little
Speaker 4: everyone's got a little locker and a little key, and
Speaker 4: they keep their cigars in there.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 5: We just went in there and bought a cigar and
Speaker 5: smoked it in there. You know, it's a great place.
Speaker 5: And I ran into former heavyweight boxing contender mister Ronaldo Snipes. Okay,
Speaker 5: fought Larry Holmes for the Heavyweight Championship of the World
Speaker 5: and was robbed after he floored Homes in the seventh
Speaker 5: and the referee took thirteen or fourteen seconds to make
Speaker 5: a ten count.
Speaker 2: Homes got about up off the floor.
Speaker 5: And stop Snipes in the twelfth at a gymnasium in
Speaker 5: Pennsylvania in nineteen eighty six. So dear old Ronaldo, he
Speaker 5: wasn't sore about it, even though he'd been robbed at
Speaker 5: the Heavyweight Championship of the World. It probably would have
Speaker 5: lost it again Homes on a rematch. But great to
Speaker 5: meet a heavyweight legend like that in a cigar bar
Speaker 5: in New York.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Larry Holmes is from eastern Pennsylvania. When you
Speaker 4: drive in there, to coal mining town just outside of Philadelphia,
Speaker 4: and there's a big billboard that you're driving on the
Speaker 4: highway with Larry Holmes giant and says Eastern Pennsylvania the
Speaker 4: home of Larry Holmes. So he's that's their number one.
Speaker 5: That must have been where that must have been where
Speaker 5: Snipes fought him, somewhere near there, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, coal mining Allentown, Eastern.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: But you know, Ronaldo Snipes to call it was good.
Speaker 5: It was great to meet him, met him in the
Speaker 5: cigar bar.
Speaker 4: You know, did he fight Jerry? Did he ever fight
Speaker 4: Jerry Cooney? I think he didn't.
Speaker 2: He good question, look it up, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He could look it up. Yeah, the great White Hope.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, cases boxing, you.
Speaker 4: Know yeah yeah, he was the great White Hope. Jerry Cooney,
Speaker 4: the last White Hope.
Speaker 5: So there's been a kind of trade off in New
Speaker 5: York between safety and I don't want to say diversity
Speaker 5: because that implies something else altogether. These days, I'd rather
Speaker 5: say a trade off between sort of safety and you know,
Speaker 5: sort of general color and sort of beat nick this
Speaker 5: in other words, that the city's been cleaned up, Manhattan's
Speaker 5: being cleaned up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brooke, where are you Brooklyn? You're staying in Brooklyn?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: I was staying sort of lower midtown area, you know, Gramercy.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, still talk elections.
Speaker 5: Or anything like that. No, you know, no, nobody's worried
Speaker 5: about twenty sixteen yet, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 5: way off the agenda, you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, They're starting to heat up down
Speaker 4: here as the candidates will be appearing one after the
Speaker 4: other in the coming weeks. They'll all be announcing their candidacy.
Speaker 5: Well, like any American city, one of the things that
Speaker 5: struck me most of all is the homelessness.
Speaker 4: You know, Oh, it's bad. San Francisco is really bad
Speaker 4: right now too. I heard. I think this is getting
Speaker 4: worse by the day.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I mean going to theay.
Speaker 1: Since I was a teenager and I've watched it just
Speaker 1: exponentially explode. I mean, oh yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Can't find a single candidate who says anything about it,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, let's Bombarran.
Speaker 5: What's the solutions of the drought problem in California?
Speaker 1: Bomb Ran? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, American politics has just got so absolutely us about face.
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable, you know, no attempt to solve any of
Speaker 5: the problems at home. It's all about what we can
Speaker 5: do to fuck up the paper we're supposed to fuck up,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just to take your attention off domestic by
Speaker 4: doing a bombing raid somewhere. It's a tried and it's
Speaker 4: a tried and tested formula.
Speaker 5: Bas I mean, there's no fast rail link to JFK
Speaker 5: from Manhattan, even in London. These days, we've got a
Speaker 5: fast rail link from London to the airport fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: I took the subway to JFK from downtown Manhattan and
Speaker 5: took down forty five minutes somewhere, and it took three
Speaker 5: trains ware to fifteen minutes from one had to walk
Speaker 5: along a platform two feet wide at one point.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? With luggage? Actually nonsense.
Speaker 2: Supposed to be a modern city.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah, it should take what I mean
Speaker 4: On the Piccadilly line from central London to Heathrow. It's
Speaker 4: about fifteen minutes, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sure, But I mean in addition to that in London
Speaker 5: now you've got a very fast train from Paddington takes
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Rail you know.
Speaker 5: And what's more, there's nothing to praise about UK public transport.
Speaker 5: But compared to America, you know, I mean, I know, Patrick,
Speaker 5: you these days, if your arm is twisted.
Speaker 2: You come out as a libertarian Republican.
Speaker 5: But republican objections to public transport in the United States,
Speaker 5: I just share par in the face, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, they're just absolute nonsense.
Speaker 2: You know, they'll be building structure in the States anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they haven't figured out a way to rape the
Speaker 4: taxpayer yet on public transport projects, but they're working on it.
Speaker 4: As soon as they figure out a way they can
Speaker 4: absolutely rape the tax payer forever, they'll they'll be starting,
Speaker 4: they'll start doing them.
Speaker 5: But well, there's a sort of fundamental objection to anything
Speaker 5: that generates anything for the public good, it seems, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's yeah, there's that. Yeah, it's it's so far
Speaker 4: behind it, it really is. There's there are some public
Speaker 4: transit systems that work really well. I don't know, hasher
Speaker 4: what about the You know that some of the train
Speaker 4: along the Pacific Coast, some of the rail services, some
Speaker 4: of them are decent, you know, from Los Angeles up
Speaker 4: through Ventura up to Santa Barbara and some of those
Speaker 4: other commuter links.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a couple of good light rails here
Speaker 1: that you know, hit the capital city and down into
Speaker 1: you know, Mid cal And you know, we have the
Speaker 1: Amtrak system, which is you know, way better than the
Speaker 1: New York subway system, I'm sure, but still a hassle.
Speaker 1: And you know, now we're starting to see TSA agents
Speaker 1: pop up at all these places, and you know that's
Speaker 1: the main reason I want to avoid the airport. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be groped.
Speaker 5: And still no direct rail link from Lax to the city,
Speaker 5: even though they're extending the westbound branch of whatever it is,
Speaker 5: it doesn't go as far as Lax. You go to Lax,
Speaker 5: you got to get in a car. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: absolutely prehistoric.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, Los Angeles is diabolical, really, it really is.
Speaker 4: And you know, Los Angeles had the best public transport
Speaker 4: system in America back in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: It was all ripped out at the behest of the
Speaker 5: oil companies pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Ford or General Motors as well,
Speaker 4: so they gave them a bus system after that, but
Speaker 4: they had a wonderful trolley system that. Of course, the
Speaker 4: development would have worked its way around that system had
Speaker 4: it been allowed to continue and develop them exactly, the
Speaker 4: residential areas would have been built around us. Now, when
Speaker 4: you took that out, Los Angeles became a decentralized megalith
Speaker 4: monster of a city that you can't make headertails of
Speaker 4: it now. I mean, it's just crazy.
Speaker 5: A third of the great a third of the land
Speaker 5: mass is the Greater Los Angeles area is tarmac for roads.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd see that's conservative, it's probably more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great.
Speaker 5: I mean something else I saw somebody posted online is
Speaker 5: for them for the money that's been spent on the
Speaker 5: walls in Iraq and Afghanistan, you could have installed solar
Speaker 5: panels on every household in America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and then some yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Mean no, no, I'm a huge fan of solar panels.
Speaker 2: But it's just like who's running the show, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: It's like, well, there's no money in building or you know,
Speaker 4: collecting energy whatever on your roof. The money is in
Speaker 4: money and wrong, you know, there's reconstruction money it's it's
Speaker 4: it's the economic model where you blow things up, then
Speaker 4: you have to replace the ordinances because they need they
Speaker 4: need replacing and restocking. They cost a couple hundred thousand
Speaker 4: per bomb or a million for a cruise missile. And
Speaker 4: then you have the rebuilding contract for whatever you blew up,
Speaker 4: and then the security contracts to go around to protect
Speaker 4: the rebuilding operation. I mean, this is a genius economic formula. Basel.
Speaker 4: This is wonderful. I mean, there's.
Speaker 1: Lots of profits to be made.
Speaker 4: You know, I think it's absolutely revolutionary. What a great
Speaker 4: uh economic model? Yeah, how can how can you fail? Boy?
Speaker 1: That'll that'll keep money in the investors pockets want it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you build some you knock it down, you build
Speaker 4: it again. You k not get down and blow it up,
Speaker 4: knock it down. You know it's great. Oh, it just
Speaker 4: works so well for certain people. Not for the people
Speaker 4: who were unfortunately in that building, of course, but you
Speaker 4: know who cares about them? I mean, these are just
Speaker 4: the unwashed masses running around like insects and vermin from
Speaker 4: the eye in the sky's view anyway.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a great the great mass of the American public.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, right, their way up through the
Speaker 5: echelons of middle class and upper middle classes. Site they
Speaker 5: just basically work hard. You know, Americans work hard. They
Speaker 5: get up early and go to work in the morning.
Speaker 5: You know, New York's not exactly a sort of party
Speaker 5: city these days. You know, the clubs close early. Compared
Speaker 5: to London or Europe in terms of sort of nightlife,
Speaker 5: it's the days of the eighties and the studio whatever
Speaker 5: it was, and that that's all gone. You know, It's
Speaker 5: it's very much a workaday city these days. It's it's
Speaker 5: Europe that has this sort of the alternative seed in
Speaker 5: the nightlife. America's been very subdued and has become subdued
Speaker 5: in the last twenty years since the Reagan era in
Speaker 5: terms of all turnative culture.
Speaker 4: You know, well it's making a comeback basil. I mean,
Speaker 4: the heroines becoming very trendy on college campuses. You know,
Speaker 4: heroines back in fashion. Obviously, the price has gone down
Speaker 4: low enough that students can afford it, thanks to our
Speaker 4: or in Afghanistan since two thousand and one. That's really
Speaker 4: helped the global opium and heroin markets so that they
Speaker 4: can support an affordable product for US students and so
Speaker 4: so instead of but you're right, Basle, So the party
Speaker 4: is happening in their bedrooms, you know, they're they're shooting
Speaker 4: up and getting strung out. It's not it's not like
Speaker 4: the good old days where they went out and raved together.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what it's the privatization of pleasure.
Speaker 4: You know, you got it. I love that. Oh, yes, exactly,
Speaker 4: the privatization of pleasure, Basil. That's genius.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: I love that. You You. From henceforth you shall be
Speaker 4: credited with that stuff. I agree.
Speaker 2: It's a book, isn't it. Really. It's a book title, you.
Speaker 4: Know, that's a it's a you can tell a business.
Speaker 2: It's a thesis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a privatization of pleasure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I see that as a major piece of literary
Speaker 4: work going forward in the twenty first century, along.
Speaker 5: With consensus for you know, it's consensus reality and the
Speaker 5: privatization of pleasure.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's New York these days, you know,
Speaker 2: And it's very much that you know, a homeless guy. Well,
Speaker 2: that's your fault, mate, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You short of fucking work things out for yourself?
Speaker 4: Fuck you?
Speaker 2: You know, that's basic unless.
Speaker 5: You're sort of a Christian or somebody who genuinely feels
Speaker 5: to reach out. It's like, you know, so you and
Speaker 5: it's very sad that that's the prevailing attitude, to be honest,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because it's so evidence on the streets the homeless. You know,
Speaker 2: LA is just as bad.
Speaker 5: Of course, people move to LA who are homeless. You
Speaker 5: spend your last fifty bucks on a bus ticket because
Speaker 5: it's warmer there, you know. But for a society as
Speaker 5: wealthy as America to see such evident homelessness every few
Speaker 5: yards on the street is just incredible, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, in my experience with the homeless in California was
Speaker 4: you know, when I was in college, I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I was trying to feed them and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But then I realized quite quickly, and my my bubble
Speaker 4: was burst. My reality bubble was burst quite early when
Speaker 4: I realized that they weren't looking for food handouts.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, I mean, you know, but.
Speaker 4: That's another issue about chemical dependency or alcoholic yeah, all that.
Speaker 2: You can always blame the homeless for homelessness, you know.
Speaker 4: But well it's not their fault. It's a lot of
Speaker 4: vets I mean, how sure how many of these guys
Speaker 4: on the streets are war military veterans, like a very
Speaker 4: high percentage.
Speaker 1: Well tons of them, tons of them, especially here in California.
Speaker 1: I see them all over the place, you know. And
Speaker 1: you're right, there's a lot of really destitute people who
Speaker 1: it's really not their fault. But you know, now, we
Speaker 1: also have this other class of homeless people. These the
Speaker 1: like young, entitled and uh you know, the private pleasure
Speaker 1: seekers if you will, who feel like they just have
Speaker 1: this FTW sort of mindset, you know, and that means
Speaker 1: f the world, fuck the world FTW.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's really nihilistic. It's very nihilistic. And these people,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen these guys and gals go up
Speaker 1: to people on the street and say give me a
Speaker 1: dollar or you know things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: they get really confrontational. And these are these we're talking
Speaker 1: people that are between the ages of seventeen and thirty here,
Speaker 1: you people that are able bodied that definitely were not
Speaker 1: military veterans. So it's there's also this like trendy homeless
Speaker 1: type of crust.
Speaker 4: Ball these days here. Yeah. Yeah, that's well. In Britain
Speaker 4: we have a somewhat version of that. It's kind of
Speaker 4: like that aggressive homeless chav. I don't know, Basil, if
Speaker 4: you run into any of them, but they you have
Speaker 4: to cough up. I mean they're they're feel like they're entitled.
Speaker 4: They're quite aggressive. It's almost like a business. Really, it's
Speaker 4: a job in a way, that's their job. And well, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed they were.
Speaker 5: And of course you hear the stories about, you know,
Speaker 5: the homeless guy who's actually collecting, you know, three hundred
Speaker 5: dollars a day and going back to a nice apartment.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, actually there was a guy, do you remember.
Speaker 2: But at the same time you can also spot.
Speaker 4: People, yeah, a Basil, do you remember, I mean, if
Speaker 4: you're how good is your memory? Nineteen ninety ninety one,
Speaker 4: ninety two. If you ever went to a Kadilly circus
Speaker 4: or the Tower of London, there was always a guy
Speaker 4: that made the rounds. He looked like Jesus Christ and
Speaker 4: used to sit there in the lotus.
Speaker 1: Position with the beery.
Speaker 4: And he was famous. Everyone knew this guy. He was Jesus.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it was one of the
Speaker 4: newspapers or someone who hadn't done a story that he lived,
Speaker 4: he actually lived in Philadelphia and he come over on
Speaker 4: a six month tourist visa and he was some I
Speaker 4: don't know, he was making like three or four hundred
Speaker 4: quit a day cash and back then that was a
Speaker 4: good that was a nice wage.
Speaker 5: Actually, absolutely, and of course there were you know, there
Speaker 5: are these sort of.
Speaker 4: That's a freak, it's a freak story, but it's nonetheless
Speaker 4: it's an extraordinary story.
Speaker 5: And I just absolutely, but you know, these people are
Speaker 5: always a good excuse to sort of say, oh, well,
Speaker 5: actually there's no how this problem. Actually they were all
Speaker 5: just uh, they were all on the make and taking
Speaker 5: home fifteen hundred dollars a day, you know. But you know,
Speaker 5: you can tell by looking at somebody when they're absolutely
Speaker 5: on their apples or not, just from the shared overall physical, spiritual, emotional,
Speaker 5: mental condition, the person that approaches you or that is
Speaker 5: in front of you, you know, and in ninety nine
Speaker 5: cases out of one hundred, you know automatically that you know,
Speaker 5: one's own situation is ahead of a lot.
Speaker 2: Better than theirs, do you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's very easy to sort of go, well, you know,
Speaker 5: he's a pro or something, or you know, he's buying
Speaker 5: you to this and I'm getting ripped off. But the
Speaker 5: Christs say is in a civilized society, there shouldn't be
Speaker 5: that amount of absolute destitution that you see on the
Speaker 5: streets of Laja City. And you know, the United States
Speaker 5: could solve the problem with a near wave of a
Speaker 5: hand and compared to what's spent on foreign wars and this,
Speaker 5: that and the other, but there's no political will to do.
Speaker 2: So it's part of the whole, you know.
Speaker 5: Increasingly elitist and ultra wealth distribute, you know, ill distribution
Speaker 5: that's with Western societies now. I don't know if you
Speaker 5: know about it. Russell brand the you know, the Great
Speaker 5: White Home of the British Revolution.
Speaker 4: From one Saint Russell.
Speaker 5: He's were apparently voted the third or fourth most influential
Speaker 5: person in Britain.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Says a lot made a.
Speaker 5: Film recently called He's made a new film called The
Speaker 5: Emperor's New Clothes.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's called.
Speaker 5: The trailers available on Facebook or the things if you
Speaker 5: hunt around for it, and basically it's about wealth distribution
Speaker 5: and he's having a bankers Now, I mean, it's all
Speaker 5: fine for Russell he's got plenty of money himself, but.
Speaker 2: He's trying to have a guy out the whole.
Speaker 5: You know, the fact that you know, I mean, even
Speaker 5: since the seventies or eighties, the distribution of wealth has
Speaker 5: become increasingly skewed towards the super rich, and the fact
Speaker 5: that most people aren't even aware of this, and.
Speaker 2: It's actually the way damaging to society.
Speaker 5: And you know, I mean, I don't know how people
Speaker 5: feel about that or Russell brand, but or what part
Speaker 5: it's going to play in the election for that matter
Speaker 5: in Britain, because we've got a major general election coming up.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well you know, we in the moment.
Speaker 5: If you put a gun to my head and said
Speaker 5: who's going to be the Prime Minister of the election,
Speaker 5: I'd say its probably gonna be David Cameron. Again I'm
Speaker 5: afraid to say, but you know, nothing said in Stone yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to put my money behind Teresa May.
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna go for Hillary. Do a Hillary.
Speaker 4: That'll be to show up a flimsy coalition of some sort.
Speaker 4: But back to the homeless redistributional wealth thing. You know,
Speaker 4: we might be having a very different conversation today had
Speaker 4: the US federal government in Britain too, not gone for
Speaker 4: the bailouts after during the housing crash, So that would
Speaker 4: have sent shock waves through the kleptocracy, greed based bubble
Speaker 4: inflating psycho banking community, and it didn't happen. In fact,
Speaker 4: the opposite happened. The worst possible outcome happened, which is
Speaker 4: that the government ponied up to pay all their bonuses
Speaker 4: for the next four years, so they rewarded them for
Speaker 4: counterfeiting and fraud and other things.
Speaker 1: You know, they just got rewarded for it. Unbelievable.
Speaker 5: But to use another of my favorite phrases, Patrick, there's
Speaker 5: no there's no less money around now than there was.
Speaker 2: Ten years ago or five years ago before.
Speaker 1: There's more money. There's more money around, well.
Speaker 2: A lot more money. It's just in few hands. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just in few hands.
Speaker 5: And if there was to be a major risk of
Speaker 5: redistribution of wealth in favor of the poor and against
Speaker 5: the ridge, that would mean a massive increase in consumption,
Speaker 5: in consumption of jet flights, of cars, of all the
Speaker 5: basic things that people buy. So I can't now I'm
Speaker 5: thinking that the elite want to keep the you know,
Speaker 5: the poor paw basically for reasons of their own kind
Speaker 5: of eugenic and environmental agendas, because there was a danger
Speaker 5: in the nineties and in the early two thousands everybody
Speaker 5: flying around the world all the time, consuming huge amounts.
Speaker 5: Everybody a massive consumer that's going to result in increased
Speaker 5: environmental destruction. You know, I mean, the planet cannot sustain
Speaker 5: seven billion affluent consumers period.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Well, it depends how they're consuming and what they're consuming
Speaker 4: as well. You know, if the combustion engine is the
Speaker 4: be all end all, you know, the petroleum combustion engines
Speaker 4: the be all end all, which I don't think it
Speaker 4: is personally, but that's what industry has mandated for the
Speaker 4: better part of one and a half centuries now, then
Speaker 4: we have a problem. But if we had gone you know,
Speaker 4: the first electric cars, the first cars developed by Henry
Speaker 4: Ford or whoever was an electric car right. Tesla was
Speaker 4: working on a battery solution for that as well, and
Speaker 4: Thomas Edison was involved in that, and that all went
Speaker 4: out the window very quickly. And then you have the
Speaker 4: standard oil monopolies and they took over the automotive industry,
Speaker 4: and that's where we're at today. We haven't we haven't
Speaker 4: progressed very far, still getting lousy mileage as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: The electric cars are finally coming back, you know, Nissan. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they are facts to getting into them, of course, you.
Speaker 1: Know they are.
Speaker 4: But the problem is to produce one of those electric
Speaker 4: cars or to power to charge up the batteries on
Speaker 4: any of those, you're going to have more CO two
Speaker 4: is going to have to be burned or more carbon.
Speaker 4: So so again we have the the base load power
Speaker 4: issue needs to be addressed and worked on, and I
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of potential solutions out there that
Speaker 4: are being mothballed. Uh it's it's a complete catastrophe of
Speaker 4: endeavor right now, and it's there's no coordination and whatsoever.
Speaker 4: But there's also a lot of suppression of technology.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely that's.
Speaker 4: Not going to help us in the long run really.
Speaker 5: Which brings me on to the question of the California drought.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, Well we have to differ to.
Speaker 5: Belong the point of just like, oh, this might be
Speaker 5: a problem in years to come or somewhere. This is
Speaker 5: like California, hooe ran out of water in twelve months time.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Hesher's in California. So Hesher.
Speaker 4: I remember hearing this California drought thing about six times
Speaker 4: while I was growing up in California, and we never
Speaker 4: even had hardly any conservation mandates, household mandates or anything.
Speaker 4: I mean, so, is this just something that keeps coming
Speaker 4: up periodically as a news story or what is it?
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like to me. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: I've been here my whole life, and you know, there
Speaker 1: have been certain times, like Santa Cruz, for example, they
Speaker 1: were not allowing people to wash their cars or to
Speaker 1: water their lawns at certain times a day. But I
Speaker 1: don't know that that was even being enforced by anybody,
Speaker 1: you know. And plus, I mean I drive past some
Speaker 1: of these reservoirs all the time and the aqueduct, and
Speaker 1: the aqueduct is constantly moving water south. It always looks full.
Speaker 1: And the reservoirs are being emptied to companies like Alhambra
Speaker 1: who are dipping into them for all their bottled water.
Speaker 4: Okay, interesting, Yeah, You've.
Speaker 5: Got Nesle bottling water up in the Sacramento Valley and
Speaker 5: selling it to people, and the protesters up there. Now,
Speaker 5: you know, at the Nestle water bottling plant saying hang
Speaker 5: on a moment.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's that famous quote.
Speaker 5: It's all over Facebook, the CEO of Nesle saying water
Speaker 5: is not a human right, it has to be bought.
Speaker 2: But just in terms of the sheer, geology.
Speaker 7: Geography, whatever, you know, the story is that, you know,
Speaker 7: it's got really serious now that even if there's a
Speaker 7: massive rainfall in the next twelve months up in the
Speaker 7: mountains and everything, it's got.
Speaker 2: To a point beyond which we used to as a
Speaker 2: usual news story.
Speaker 5: Now correct me if I'm wrong, but my Californian friends
Speaker 5: are saying exactly that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there is a lot of truth in that.
Speaker 1: I mean, up in the Sierra Nevada foothills, in locations
Speaker 1: where I'd hang out, we used to get hardcore storms,
Speaker 1: I mean full on winter storms, snow, you know, windstorms,
Speaker 1: power lines down. And for the last four years straight
Speaker 1: it has been virtually dry winters. I mean we've had
Speaker 1: very little rain here this year. So I mean, the
Speaker 1: the signs of you know, lack of rainfall are definitely here.
Speaker 1: But you know that gets that leads me into, well,
Speaker 1: what the heck's going on up in the sky up there?
Speaker 1: I mean, I have been watching these planes spraying the
Speaker 1: most absurd amounts of stuff over the coast here, and
Speaker 1: today they were doing hook patterns. They were making question
Speaker 1: marks and things that looked like the letter P and
Speaker 1: the letter Q and you know, okay, so some people say, okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe it is weather modification. If it's weather modification,
Speaker 1: where's the rain, you know, if that really isn't yeah
Speaker 1: their modification program. Is this being done to California? Where why?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, exact good question hasher good question. It should
Speaker 4: be making rain and not stopping it from raining. But
Speaker 4: that's something that there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: It's funny how it's being punted around very gradually. I
Speaker 4: think I saw first reports in twenty thirteen where they're
Speaker 4: talking about, well, the geoengineering this one, we're really a
Speaker 4: good idea. We're going to start testing this out, and
Speaker 4: we think that you are all the good benefits that
Speaker 4: we can achieve from geoengineering. And of course they've been
Speaker 4: doing it for the last fifteen years. So this is
Speaker 4: how whenever you hear these things, like like with the
Speaker 4: French plane crash, perfect example, but they Wolf Blitzer comes
Speaker 4: on CNN four days ago and says, you know, a
Speaker 4: good idea would if they had planes that you could
Speaker 4: remote control from the ground, and that would keep these
Speaker 4: sort of disasters from happening in the first place. And
Speaker 4: of course that's been standard on every Boeing and airbus
Speaker 4: since nineteen ninety six, So they don't want to talk
Speaker 4: about the fact that's already in there. Then they start
Speaker 4: introducing it now, it means they're going to have to
Speaker 4: admit it at some point and then they'll say, who,
Speaker 4: we've got this now. But they've had it all through
Speaker 4: nine to eleven because of course they don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about it. Just like geo engineering, they've been doing
Speaker 4: it forever, but now they're saying, oh, well, this would
Speaker 4: be a good idea, you know, reflect the Sun's rays
Speaker 4: back out into space by putting aluminium particles and bury
Speaker 4: them up in the lower atmosphere. What a wonderful thing
Speaker 4: that could be. But it's a big it's a business.
Speaker 4: All that stuff costs money. Put those planes up cost money,
Speaker 4: spraying costs money, pilots cost money, maintenance costs money.
Speaker 1: Someone's making money.
Speaker 5: Well, the whole German when crash is you know, a
Speaker 5: big question mark. Basically, I mean, I've heard people saying
Speaker 5: that it crashed rights close to the Superhater collider, that
Speaker 5: it was something to do with that. I don't know
Speaker 5: about that, you know, but it's a coincidence and the
Speaker 5: crash near there, that it's an attempt to sort of
Speaker 5: stigmatize depression or gain some further control over air travel,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, it may be completely genuine.
Speaker 5: There's this guy when nats and through the plane into
Speaker 5: the mountain, who knows what I mean.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, there's definitely opportunity, opportunism after the fact.
Speaker 2: But yeah, exactly as always.
Speaker 4: I think personally looking at this case that it's very
Speaker 4: improbable that the official story is what happened. And also
Speaker 4: they're having problems coughing up by the evidence of to
Speaker 4: support the initial claims, even about his mental illness. I
Speaker 4: still haven't seen any evidence to that effect that's really solid.
Speaker 4: A lot of innuendo, a lot of hyperbole. But you know,
Speaker 4: how they find them. How did they find the flight
Speaker 4: record of the first black box within less than I
Speaker 4: don't know, eight to ten hours from the crash, and
Speaker 4: they say it's going to take months to find the
Speaker 4: second box. I mean, it's incredible. So they got everything
Speaker 4: they needed to kickstart the narrative within hours of the crash,
Speaker 4: which is the story of uh, you know whatever, I mean,
Speaker 4: it would crasher. He said he might lose his job.
Speaker 4: That's why he was depressed. I mean, come on, it's
Speaker 4: just that.
Speaker 1: Does to believe. There's no GPS units in these boxes too, Like,
Speaker 1: why would they not put a GPS.
Speaker 4: PingER in all these boxes. Well, the pingers get activated
Speaker 4: when it's submerged in water. Okay, so there is no PingER.
Speaker 4: So and normally for a land crash you wouldn't need
Speaker 4: it PingER because obviously you just shift through the crash site. Yeah,
Speaker 4: things in one trail, Yeah you can find it, you know.
Speaker 4: But so there's no transponder on in the in the
Speaker 4: black box itself, which is interesting. That should be anyway, right,
Speaker 4: But so yeah, it's I think they their first crew
Speaker 4: on the scene, Like cops when they come in to
Speaker 4: do a raid. You know, the first cops in have
Speaker 4: the bag of drugs in the pocket. They just toss
Speaker 4: it or have the gun to toss, you know, say
Speaker 4: oh wait, we're being shot at. There's the gun. It's
Speaker 4: got no prints on it, but hey, so they come
Speaker 4: in with the black box so if you check the
Speaker 4: condition of the first black box that they allegedly found
Speaker 4: on site, it probably is not going to have a
Speaker 4: whole lot of dents. And I don't know, I solve.
Speaker 4: They put out stock photos of a mangled black box
Speaker 4: and I think it's from another crash. That's how deceptive
Speaker 4: the news coverage has been because they couldn't get a
Speaker 4: picture of the real one. So the result is everyone
Speaker 4: thinks that, oh, there's the mangled black box that was
Speaker 4: found within eight hours of the crash that had the
Speaker 4: the guy banging on the cockpit, let me in and
Speaker 4: whatever in German. Uh. And they could hear the breathing
Speaker 4: of the of the pilot not talking as he was descending.
Speaker 4: But they also if you check the standard as well,
Speaker 4: and all the cockpits is ATI system. This is a colorless,
Speaker 4: odorless gas that's designed to calm down pilots. In large doses,
Speaker 4: it can render someone unconscious. Oh god, So if you
Speaker 4: think he wasn't talking but was breathing regular patterns, that
Speaker 4: would suit the ATI system. And so of course I
Speaker 4: haven't heard about anyone talking about that on the news,
Speaker 4: or about uninterruptible autopilot, which is uninterruptible. It means it
Speaker 4: can be controlled remotely. And when that and you know,
Speaker 4: it's funny. When the uninterruptible autopilot is triggered, two things happen.
Speaker 4: One of them is the communications cut off between air
Speaker 4: traffic controllers and the cockpit. That's number one too, the
Speaker 4: transponder is turned off. And I always thought that's weird.
Speaker 4: Why would you disable those two features? Why is that
Speaker 4: a good idea at all? It seems like you would
Speaker 4: want to like have secondaries for all those systems. So
Speaker 4: that should tell you. That should tell you what the
Speaker 4: uninterruptable autopilot is really for. So that's my understanding of this.
Speaker 4: So anyway, we'll see if the truth ever comes out,
Speaker 4: but just deconstructing it from the technological of what's on
Speaker 4: these planes as standard issue. Then of course the Israeli
Speaker 4: airlines they don't have it on theirs, and I think
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if there's one of the airlines they
Speaker 4: have it stripped, I'm not sure. But yeah, it's interesting,
Speaker 4: very interesting. You won't hear about that much on the news, though.
Speaker 2: No No.
Speaker 1: I talked to a guy out and about today and
Speaker 1: we were small talking and he made the comment, well, boy,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to want to be
Speaker 1: flying the airlines anymore. And I said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: the airlines are the safest way to travel statistically. And
Speaker 1: you know, by the way, did you do you know
Speaker 1: about the uninterrupted autopilot boxes or the ATI systems? And
Speaker 1: he said no, I never heard of that, you know,
Speaker 1: And I briefly I gave him a you know, elevator's
Speaker 1: speech on what those two things were, and he just
Speaker 1: like you could just see his eyes glaze over, and
Speaker 1: he walked away and he goes, well, conspiracy theories abound.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, it's not really a theory. You
Speaker 1: can look up the patent number on these things, sir.
Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, Move along and go back to sleep.
Speaker 1: Go take your xnax. Yes, yes, it was definitely a
Speaker 1: Xanax warrior.
Speaker 4: Take your pills. Yeah. Well, you know, that's another thing,
Speaker 4: is that if this guy was so called on depression
Speaker 4: or diagnosed with depression, he would have been on psychotrope
Speaker 4: antipsychotropics or whatever, or psychotropic serotonin uptake reenabitors whatever they're
Speaker 4: called SSRIs, right, and no talk about that, you see,
Speaker 4: but that would have been that you think that all
Speaker 4: these great newshound journalists would have go to the pills
Speaker 4: by now you know.
Speaker 1: On the insert that it could cause suicidal, homicidal thoughts
Speaker 1: and you know, things not recommended for coked.
Speaker 5: The same with the shooters, isn't it. It's the same
Speaker 5: with the shooters. They never talk about whatever pills it
Speaker 5: might have been on unit shoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you can derive two things from that. The first
Speaker 4: thing you can derive is that the first leg of
Speaker 4: the story is bogus because there are no pills. The
Speaker 4: second thing you could derive from that is obviously the
Speaker 4: big pharma doesn't want any mention of this in any
Speaker 4: situation of any shooter or suicide guy or whatever talking
Speaker 4: about what drugs are on or Whitney Houston in a
Speaker 4: bathtub or whatever, because that's going to their share prices
Speaker 4: are going to dive because they're thinking, oh, class action lawsuit.
Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, but those are those are all the
Speaker 4: guys buying all the advertising on all the networks now.
Speaker 4: So they're the biggest source of revenue for probably every
Speaker 4: major US network. So I don't think there's going to
Speaker 4: be a whole lot of digging into their products in
Speaker 4: any of these accidents. I just have an instinctual guest
Speaker 4: there that that's not going to happen. But that's bad
Speaker 4: for business obviously. So yeah, if you take away the
Speaker 4: drugs drug companies, raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, that's
Speaker 4: like ninety percent of your ad revenue. That's war and drugs.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I think I don't know.
Speaker 1: You you made a really good comment on Sunday Wire
Speaker 1: when you were talking to Field McConnell two. That really
Speaker 1: stuck in my mind, and that was basically that especially
Speaker 1: for someone like Field, you know, who has been a
Speaker 1: military aviator and then had a career in aviation, you know,
Speaker 1: someone who is that type of professional. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a person who has put everything into their dream.
Speaker 1: You know, becoming a pilot is not an easy thing
Speaker 1: to do, and once someone achieves that dream, it's very
Speaker 1: hard for me to believe that that person could be
Speaker 1: painted as, oh, he's really depressed because you know, a
Speaker 1: girlfriend left him or whatever the story was, and he
Speaker 1: decided to you know, crash himself and two hundred people
Speaker 1: into a mountain. Have I just don't buy that. That's
Speaker 1: not the type of personality that you would get from
Speaker 1: someone who could pass you know, Annapolis and Naval Flight
Speaker 1: Academy and work for you know something, except for m Yeah,
Speaker 1: John McCain doesn't count. No, No, you're not have been
Speaker 1: flying anything.
Speaker 4: No, you're right top of the world. You're living the dream.
Speaker 4: You're you're you're a pilot. I mean, how how awesome
Speaker 4: is that job? I mean, and it's so easy to
Speaker 4: fly those aircraft as well. I mean it's a no brainer.
Speaker 4: So all you have to do is take off in land.
Speaker 4: I mean, everything in between there is pretty automated, and
Speaker 4: it's great. You know, you get the chicks, you get
Speaker 4: to stay in hotels.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, let's say, maybe it's a little stressful now
Speaker 4: and again, and that's why a lot of pilots hit
Speaker 4: the booze. So it's not off, it's not regular a
Speaker 4: regular occurrence. You know, you'll see them at the bars
Speaker 4: and airports knocking back a few. Maybe that's not good,
Speaker 4: but but they've been doing it forever. And you know,
Speaker 4: the airline safety statistics are incredibly until the last couple
Speaker 4: of years, there's been more more crashes in the last
Speaker 4: couple of years than ever before, and there must be
Speaker 4: a reason for that in terms of statistical trends. There
Speaker 4: has to be another reason, not just bad luck, considering
Speaker 4: the overall record of the ava industry is superb. So
Speaker 4: that's what Field was talking about. So, yeah, they want
Speaker 4: you to believe the unbelievable. All these a lot of
Speaker 4: these stories believe the unbelievable, and that's the norm. Yes,
Speaker 4: it can happen in the Hollywood film, and it can
Speaker 4: happen in real life. Yes, unbelievable can happen. Nine to
Speaker 4: eleven can happen. It doesn't make any sense. You can't
Speaker 4: explain it by science or physics. It's just a credible coincidence.
Speaker 4: But it happened. And to expect crazy impossible things to
Speaker 4: constantly happen. You know Adam Lanza, you know whatever, ninety
Speaker 4: five pound, bug eyed teenager can handle multiple heavy assault
Speaker 4: weapons and reload in half a second and hit all
Speaker 4: his targets without any bullets being lodged on the walls.
Speaker 4: You know, it's Hey, it sounds impossible, but in this wacky,
Speaker 4: wacky world, it's perfectly feasible. Believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, believe I heard they burned his house down. Not
Speaker 1: only they burned the school down now. But now they've
Speaker 1: taken his place of residence down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you ever lived there to begin with. Yeah, really,
Speaker 4: I don't know, Basil, have you been following this Yemen business?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure Basil might have stepped away hesher. The
Speaker 4: Saudis have been bombing the hell out of Yemen, and
Speaker 4: they hit the Russian embassy today supposedly by accident, of course.
Speaker 1: Ooops.
Speaker 4: But this is where it's going, this is where things
Speaker 4: are heading.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what happens when you let the Saudis
Speaker 1: do your dirty work, eh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean the US. I think they hit
Speaker 4: the Chinese embassy during the bombing of Serbia in ninety nine,
Speaker 4: I believe, or nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, they hit
Speaker 4: the Chinese embassy, and obviously we've been probably been paying
Speaker 4: reparations for that and behind through the back door ever since.
Speaker 4: But that's the risks.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, did you hear about the Russian embassy, Basil.
Speaker 4: Saudi's hit the Russian embassy today in Yemen by accident?
Speaker 4: They said, what do you think about that? That dangerous?
Speaker 5: Well, the Saudis play a very dangerous double game all
Speaker 5: the time, you know, I mean they never recognized as
Speaker 5: the state of Israel. For years, they were sort of
Speaker 5: supposedly the most anti anti Zionists of all.
Speaker 2: It's totally refused him. But yet, according to.
Speaker 5: Various sources, the Saudis and Israelis have high level intelligence
Speaker 5: cooperation in these days because they have common enemies in otherwise,
Speaker 5: the Iranians. You know, So when you read Saudi, what
Speaker 5: are you actually reading or you're reading American and Zionist interests,
Speaker 5: do you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Or are you reading she had Muslim interests? What you
Speaker 5: certainly are reading is defense of their own interests, because well,
Speaker 5: you've got to remember with the House of Saudi, is
Speaker 5: that it's basically a fiefdom, you know, basically just an
Speaker 5: extended family that have grabbed hold of a whole land mass.
Speaker 5: You know, why should that it only came up one
Speaker 5: hundred years ago, the House of Sound, you know, why
Speaker 5: should the House of Saud all that land and all
Speaker 5: that oil and control all those people and.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, why why isn't it called Arabia domestic tatorship?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Why is it Saudi Arabia? Why not just Arabia?
Speaker 2: Because it's the House of Saud. It's a family belongs
Speaker 2: to It's like England being called Windsoria.
Speaker 5: You know, or rather Saxico Burgothia, or America being called Bushier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well Texas is no, You're You're absolutely right. And
Speaker 4: there's there's another thing.
Speaker 2: If Jeff gets it, you might as well call America bushier.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Yeah, bushier Clintonia?
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, Clintonia has a kind of interesting Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Can joking apart, that's what That's what Saudi is. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a fiefdom. It's a private fiefdom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. And there's another aspect to this that
Speaker 4: I guess if you have been to the region you
Speaker 4: might some people might not know. A lot of people
Speaker 4: do know this anyway, just from watching and reading. But
Speaker 4: if you go to Saudi Arabia, no one works. Okay,
Speaker 4: no one works. There's a few people that do administrative jobs,
Speaker 4: and there's people who have titles and government jobs, but
Speaker 4: they actually don't do anything. And there's a kind of
Speaker 4: an underclass that performs just about every single task you
Speaker 4: can imagine. So the job of the average Saudi is
Speaker 4: to wake up, to eat, to sleep, to eat, and
Speaker 4: then to go to bed again, and a few other
Speaker 4: things in between, just general things. But they don't do
Speaker 4: any work. And their oil business is completely run by
Speaker 4: the Americans, with a few British and a handful of
Speaker 4: French and a couple of other foreigners thrown in there.
Speaker 4: They do. Saudi Ramco is really a joint venture between
Speaker 4: the government of Saudi Arabia, I think, and all the
Speaker 4: major seven oil companies American. They do everything, so we
Speaker 4: basically practically pull it out of the ground, put it
Speaker 4: in the in the pipeline, put it on the boat
Speaker 4: ship it, and all they do is take their cut.
Speaker 4: So if we have them completely at at our mercy
Speaker 4: the United States and Britain, if we pulled out there,
Speaker 4: they would have no money. We could free also freeze
Speaker 4: all their assets in City Bank in New York overnight
Speaker 4: if they ever went off the reservation. But they do
Speaker 4: have a few cards that they hold. But the main
Speaker 4: thing to understand is that all the emirate countries where
Speaker 4: you don't work for you make the money. It comes
Speaker 4: out of a tap. They take the money. They don't work.
Speaker 4: Very few people are ambitious and want to actually, you know,
Speaker 4: do anything. They like building things, but obviously with money.
Speaker 4: Now you go across the Persian Gulf through Iran and
Speaker 4: these are grafters. These are people that not only these
Speaker 4: people that work and do amazing things with their money. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is competition economically, and if you still to this
Speaker 4: day some of them.
Speaker 2: It's been point you know, it's been pointed out.
Speaker 5: It's been pointed out recently in the negotiations with Iran.
Speaker 5: Iran has never attacked another country.
Speaker 2: In its history. Although the current regime is.
Speaker 5: Rather fundamentalist in its interpretation of Islam, Persia was the
Speaker 5: cradle of a lot of Western intellectualism, you know, alchemy,
Speaker 5: philosophy or sorts of ideas came out of that cradle
Speaker 5: of civilization. As they certainly claim, they've never been an
Speaker 5: aggressor to anyone at all, which is why they're so
Speaker 5: uptight about the fact that if they agree to all
Speaker 5: the Western demands for the cessation of their enrichment program,
Speaker 5: that sanctions re stopped immediately.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, because it's.
Speaker 5: An assumption by the West that somehow their program, of
Speaker 5: the the nuclear program is for aggressive But that's just
Speaker 5: an assumption, there's not not based on anything at all.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a pipe train there's no proof that
Speaker 4: they are pursuing or have a nuclear weapon, and that
Speaker 4: so the people who believe that, the people believe that
Speaker 4: think that they shouldn't be allowed to last another day
Speaker 4: as a sovereign nation. In other words, we should bomb them.
Speaker 4: We should bomb them because they're up to no good
Speaker 4: and they're spinning centrifuges under the concrete under the streets
Speaker 4: of Tehran. I mean, give me a break, right, So,
Speaker 4: and as if, as if you could just you know,
Speaker 4: even if you had a bomb, you wouldn't be wiping
Speaker 4: Israel off the map because you'd kill all the Palestinians
Speaker 4: in the process. I mean, what a stupid, idiotic idea, right,
Speaker 4: That's that you just can't hear enough of in Republican
Speaker 4: circles in America, Benjamin NETANYAHUO and anyone else who's dumb
Speaker 4: enough to sort of fall for all that. So it's
Speaker 4: just ludicrous and childlike understanding of the realities.
Speaker 2: It is. It is absolutely ludicrous and childlike.
Speaker 5: But it's it's very worrying that it is actually a
Speaker 5: prevailing ideology because it's it is it belongs in a
Speaker 5: home for the criminally insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to agree with you there. It's fueling
Speaker 4: a lot of instability. It's it's it's flirting with the
Speaker 4: Third World War. They're even blaming, they're justifying the bombing
Speaker 4: and slaughter and Yemen. I mean, this is a slaughter
Speaker 4: right now. You see the body bags are piling up civilians.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right, that's a Problemly, you know, that's a
Speaker 2: proxy war.
Speaker 5: Apparently the people they're bombing are somehow emboldened or supported
Speaker 5: by Iran, you.
Speaker 4: Know, allegedly allegedly, but you know there's some they got
Speaker 4: The who thes in in Yemen have some major religious
Speaker 4: differences with the Iranian brand of Shiit Islam, I mean,
Speaker 4: irreconsirable differences, I would say. So to suggest that there's
Speaker 4: somehow being puppeteered by Tehran is a crazy idea. Okay.
Speaker 4: The bottom line is the US. The real puppet was
Speaker 4: the president. Hadi is a US Saudi puppet and he
Speaker 4: was overthrown. Okay, so that's all bad and horrible, And
Speaker 4: Saudi rebus want to protect its integrity, its borders. They
Speaker 4: weren't attacked or anything. It's bullshit. Okay. Now Now in Ukraine, uh,
Speaker 4: the same situation you have rebels in the east of
Speaker 4: the Ukraine. But that's not okay there, you see for
Speaker 4: the US, and it's allies, no, no, no, they have
Speaker 4: to smash that. Or or in Syria, oh the rebels
Speaker 4: are okay there for the US. You know, that's okay.
Speaker 4: It's uh, the illegitimate government in Damascus about Charles sat
Speaker 4: So it's this theory of relativity that US has with
Speaker 4: it's what it says is okay and not okay. And
Speaker 4: it's foreign policy and it's it's even more confusing.
Speaker 2: All the basically boiled down to you.
Speaker 5: Either you are a total client state, or you are
Speaker 5: prepared to go along with whatever we say and at
Speaker 5: worst of stain.
Speaker 2: In the in the United Nations, or you will be
Speaker 2: subject of regime change.
Speaker 4: Pretty much, it's like.
Speaker 5: A sort of positive neutral but just about tolerated or
Speaker 5: regime change policy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's colonialism without the name, that's all. It's total
Speaker 4: control and submission, that's it. So so yeah, so you
Speaker 4: know they have a the puppet gets overthrown and they're
Speaker 4: now blaming the Iranians, which is bull and they're invade,
Speaker 4: bombing and invading a country that never attacked at Sara
Speaker 4: Arabia's in the coalition. That's a that's bought bollocks as well,
Speaker 4: because there's no coalition there. They're saying all Egyptians sending
Speaker 4: in troops and Pakistans and troops. To make things more confusing,
Speaker 4: you have a right wing talk show radio guys in America,
Speaker 4: the biggest shows in the country, that are blaming Obama
Speaker 4: for the war in Yemen. Okay, So just to confuse
Speaker 4: you a little bit more. And that because he's friendly,
Speaker 4: he supposedly loves he's Iranian lover that's what Michael Savage
Speaker 4: called him today in Iranian loving whatever a couple of
Speaker 4: other words he used. And he's responsible for Saudi Arabia
Speaker 4: bombing and invading Yemen. So you have idiocrisy extends into
Speaker 4: the media and so the people don't have a freaking
Speaker 4: clue what's going on because no one reads anyway. So,
Speaker 4: I mean, I saw a story Hesher Basil. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you saw this story. It was Russian Russia
Speaker 4: sending weapons to the Mexican drug cartels, some sort of
Speaker 4: proxy invasion in Mexico. Okay, that done. That made the rounds,
Speaker 4: and I was even asked by people about this story.
Speaker 4: There It just came to me over the weekend Nevada saying, oh,
Speaker 4: my daughter, have you heard about this? And I said,
Speaker 4: that's a fake story. And they said, well, how do
Speaker 4: you know? I said, well, first of all, it's not
Speaker 4: in any of the news services, not any reputable website.
Speaker 4: There's people pedaling lies online and it's making its way
Speaker 4: into the hardcore of tea party groups and places like that.
Speaker 4: People believe this stuff. It's unbelievable how many fake stories
Speaker 4: have made it through, you know, and so you have
Speaker 4: this is a dangerous time. There's some real lies that
Speaker 4: are being punted around that are just designed to make
Speaker 4: people a friend. That's all that's right.
Speaker 1: Hey, Patrick, our show goes till ten, right, Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 8: I have a few things, but they might take a while,
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Speaker 5: Go with yours.
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Speaker 1: all of the Anthem and Blue Cross affiliated corporate and
Speaker 1: medical IT systems are putting almost forty million people in
Speaker 1: the crossairs of identity theft. And this is becoming a thing.
Speaker 1: We're at a point now where we've had let's see,
Speaker 1: we had court ventures compromise two hundred million people eBay
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five million people, Heartland one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty million people, TJ Max ninety four million people,
Speaker 1: AOL ninety two million, Sony seventy seven million, JP Morgan
Speaker 1: seventy six million, the US military another seventy six million,
Speaker 1: Home Depot fifty six million, and ever Note fifty million.
Speaker 1: And I'm one of these victims that I'm not happy
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 5: Can I just chime in quickly here with something comparable
Speaker 5: in the UK, which is a big story of the
Speaker 5: last forty eight hours, is the sale of data about
Speaker 5: pensioners and people with various illnesses, basically selling your medical
Speaker 5: records and personal.
Speaker 2: History, et cetera.
Speaker 5: Just as you've said, for as little as ten cents
Speaker 5: per head, as much as thirty or forty cents per head,
Speaker 5: but basically you know, telephone number, address, medical history, et cetera,
Speaker 5: all sold by private companies so that you can be
Speaker 5: the target of unscrupulous drug companies ringing you up or
Speaker 5: other people are claiming to profer solutions to whatever problems
Speaker 5: you have, but basically selling the selling the personal details
Speaker 5: of vulnerable people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a good it's not a good deal.
Speaker 4: I mean, I could have been. I could be a
Speaker 4: victim of identity theft right now as I speak.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: And I've lost a few passports in my stolen from
Speaker 4: me in fact, standing at hotel checkouts. And I'll make
Speaker 4: sure to God, I'm.
Speaker 1: A member at at least three of those those corporate
Speaker 1: entities that I mentioned, including Anthem, you know, and these
Speaker 1: people take so much from us, they're declining in level
Speaker 1: of service. The laws have shifted from protecting injured and
Speaker 1: sick people to protecting the companies, and you know, and
Speaker 1: they put this blast out to their to their customers saying,
Speaker 1: we don't really know whose information is lost, but you
Speaker 1: could have been in there. And and I'm here to
Speaker 1: say that's not true. These people, they I think they
Speaker 1: know darn well whose information was compromised, but they don't
Speaker 1: want to tell specific people they've been compromised, because then
Speaker 1: they're liable to pay those people when their identity gets stolen.
Speaker 1: And you know, this way, they can't people can't sue
Speaker 1: them individually.
Speaker 4: Well i'd go I'd go to I'd still assume individually, Yeah,
Speaker 4: just go find it, find a lawyer to take that one.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can get them under the Terrorism Act.
Speaker 4: I mean they're terrorizing you. Yeah, basically, I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: Check this out, man. I got a letter from Anthem
Speaker 1: and they basically told me that if I really want
Speaker 1: to protect myself, I should put a hold on all
Speaker 1: of my credits so that I would not even be
Speaker 1: able to apply for, you know, a loan or a
Speaker 1: credit card or whatever not that I'm looking to, but
Speaker 1: still to be to completely blackout my what would they
Speaker 1: call that in the movie Falling Down?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: My, I would I would not be financially viable. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm the one that takes the onus for for them
Speaker 1: losing my PII, my personally identifiable information.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what Rudy Giuliani would say answer to
Speaker 4: this would be, that's why you need LifeLock.
Speaker 1: They offered me LifeLock, dude, really competitor to LifeLock. They
Speaker 1: said I could get a two year uh all clear
Speaker 1: ID protect from my identity because of their screw up.
Speaker 4: I take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is kind of a crossover sport here.
Speaker 1: Speaking by the way, I say hi to Basil Spore.
Speaker 8: Hi, Basil, welcome back to London.
Speaker 2: Great to be with you.
Speaker 5: I just want to add one quick thing about this
Speaker 5: whole identity theft thing and the whole sort of thing
Speaker 5: is that it kind of boils things down to sort
Speaker 5: of like who the fuck are you? Do?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: People are just sort of reduced to a number, an address,
Speaker 5: a social Security number, a date of birth.
Speaker 2: All that's for sale, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: It's sort of part of a complete dehumanization process of
Speaker 5: the mass populace, if I can say.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's super super creepy.
Speaker 6: And that's kind of what I was just going to
Speaker 6: bring up, is that I recently had to fold and
Speaker 6: sign up for Obamacare so I didn't get a six
Speaker 6: thousand dollars tax penalty, so I signed up for that
Speaker 6: in January.
Speaker 8: And it's super.
Speaker 6: Creepy because they're crossover in between you know, your credit
Speaker 6: report and then your taxes and then your medical history.
Speaker 5: And so right, yeah, you just become You just become,
Speaker 5: you know, on the phone to god knows who, whether
Speaker 5: it's your bank or I mean in the UK, of
Speaker 5: course we still have National Health Service and God, but
Speaker 5: you just become a combination of mother's maiden name, birth date,
Speaker 5: a couple of other security questions, favorite football team or something,
Speaker 5: and that's who you are, and your whole sort of
Speaker 5: like record is then instantly available like that whoever you are,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's for sale, you know, and as
Speaker 5: soon as it become vulnerable, that becomes cheap.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: And the name of your first stuffed animal. That's one
Speaker 4: of the seriously, that's one of them. That's my security questions.
Speaker 8: But a lot of them are like what's your favorite
Speaker 8: sports team? Like there are so many, like what's your
Speaker 8: favorite video?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, what's your favorite brand of condom? I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just when does it end? But the someone's if
Speaker 4: someone stole my identity. I had just thinking about that,
Speaker 4: if I found out who it was, and if I
Speaker 4: thought they were, like, you know, making money, I just wait, wait,
Speaker 4: wait until they got enough money in the bank, and
Speaker 4: that I'd make my move, do the withdrawal, you know,
Speaker 4: bring the real passport, take all the money out.
Speaker 8: That'd be sweet if that could happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I call, I'm trying to figure out how to
Speaker 6: pay my Obamacare bill yesterday, and I had to. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know this, all this talk about how stupid the
Speaker 6: Obamacare websites are is so true. I mean I had
Speaker 6: to spend. I'm just trying to pay the freaking bill.
Speaker 4: Right, So what's the monthly if you don't mind me asking?
Speaker 8: Mine rate now is two hundred.
Speaker 6: But I might have to update some of my I
Speaker 6: might have I assume that because everything is so connected,
Speaker 6: that I'm going to have to update some income information
Speaker 6: and that might change shortly. So and I'm mean it's
Speaker 6: ridiculous because you have to go through figure out what
Speaker 6: what your Obamacare is called in whatever state you are, yeah,
Speaker 6: through sign up for it, and then they give you
Speaker 6: whatever insurance company. And of course I ended up with Anthem,
Speaker 6: Blue Shield, Blue Cross, And so I'm trying to figure
Speaker 6: out how, I mean, why is this hard for me
Speaker 6: to figure out how to pay my bill?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I took you.
Speaker 4: You must not want your money. They don't want your money, right,
Speaker 4: they don't want you to pay because they.
Speaker 8: Want me to pay so that I can pay a
Speaker 8: penalty for a correct.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 6: I end up finally at the Anthem phone number and
Speaker 6: I get a five minute message. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 6: even exaggerating. It was a five minute message about this fraud.
Speaker 6: And there's no the fraud thing that's going on. You
Speaker 6: know your identity has been stolen. There's no way for
Speaker 6: me to get to just how to pay my bill.
Speaker 6: I have to listen to a five minute brief on
Speaker 6: that in English, and then one in Spanish, and then
Speaker 6: one in Vietnamese, and then finally it says, if you
Speaker 6: want to talk to somebody about fraud, press one, and
Speaker 6: then there's silence. I just want to pay my bill,
Speaker 6: so I press one because I just want to connect
Speaker 6: with somebody, and she's like, yeah, you just have to
Speaker 6: wait for a really long time after it says that,
Speaker 6: press one, and then eventually you're going to be able
Speaker 6: to find somebody that can, you know, you can pay
Speaker 6: your bill with. But yeah, I just sign up for
Speaker 6: Obamacare and apparently my identity has been stolen from everything
Speaker 6: I can understand about it.
Speaker 4: Really wow, How can you find out if your identity
Speaker 4: has been stolen? What is there any service or a
Speaker 4: website you can go to? Do you have to pay LifeLock?
Speaker 8: I think it's like you have to.
Speaker 6: You'll find out when you apply to get a car
Speaker 6: loan or to buy a house, or to you know,
Speaker 6: get any.
Speaker 8: Sort of credit.
Speaker 6: You know, then you'll find out, oh, your credit's totally
Speaker 6: screwed because somebody's been hitting it.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting and interesting. So if you check, if you
Speaker 4: check your credit rating, you should be able to find
Speaker 4: out that way, right, I don't.
Speaker 8: I really have no idea.
Speaker 4: Hope we've got to get an expert on the show
Speaker 4: sometime to explain this. It would be really helpful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only people I've ever known that have had it happen,
Speaker 1: they don't know until it's too late and somebody has,
Speaker 1: you know, locked them out of their credit card or
Speaker 1: got a new credit card in their name or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 6: And then once that's happened, of course, there's not not
Speaker 6: just hours, but day's worth of phone calls and writing
Speaker 6: letters and faxing and trying to prove that you are
Speaker 6: the person that you are because somebody else, who you know,
Speaker 6: from what, who knows where in the world, has taken
Speaker 6: your information.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny. There's another guy who's got my name,
Speaker 4: who's like same age, and because I can't get my
Speaker 4: own thing on Twitter because I have to use another
Speaker 4: you know, he's Gazumpani, right, imagine how dare And so
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe maybe he's been been shopping on
Speaker 4: my ID all these years. You better check with your credit.
Speaker 4: He's married, he's got kids, everything. Man, he's got the
Speaker 4: whole name. I might just show up one day. What
Speaker 4: do you reckon? I think you should. Yeah, I'll just
Speaker 4: show up one day, pay him a visit. We'll go
Speaker 4: bowling and we'll talk about it, negotiate.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Hey, guys, we are at the ten o'clock mark,
Speaker 1: and I think it's time to all of the show.
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Speaker 1: on next week. We will will put your topics into
Speaker 1: the boiler. What do you say, Patrick?
Speaker 4: Sounds good? And I think we got a couple other
Speaker 4: people going to join us next week as well. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it'll be Uh'll be heating up, be heating up next Wednesday.
Speaker 1: We'll heat up the boiler. We'll do it again, all right.
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