WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.679 Yeah, can you dig as. 2 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:09.039 You did? 3 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:25.800 Ladies, gentlemen, friends, pos, murkers, regulars, gm O people, organic people. 4 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:34.520 Boiler room in battles. Why you two? 5 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:35.799 What? 6 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:48.320 Welcome to the ACR boiler Room, where we're going to 7 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:50.679 hash out everything under the sun that is important to 8 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.600 us and more importantly to you. There's only one rule 9 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:58.000 at the ACR boiler room. You don't talk about the 10 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:02.759 ACR boiler room. No, but really, in all reality, the 11 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:06.359 one rule at the boiler room is this brings something 12 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.319 interesting to throw into the boiler My name is Hesher. 13 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:13.599 I've got Patrick henningson from twenty first Century Wire dot 14 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:17.079 com and the Sunday Wire Show, which airs live here 15 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:21.760 at ACR at nine am Pacific noon Eastern every Sunday. 16 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.280 Tune in and catch the best investigative journalism in all 17 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:29.400 of the pirate airwaves known as podcasting. Welcome Patrick. How 18 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.760 has the news hounding been going since you wrapped up 19 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.239 last week's Sunday Wire, which was epic by. 20 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.120 The way, Thanks? And I think I think, Esher, the 21 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:43.040 one rule should be to talk about boiler room for now, 22 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.359 because you want people to talk about it so that 23 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.879 they can get interested in share it with their friends. 24 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:49.719 So talk about boiler room. 25 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:52.359 Right there, you go. I just get hung up on 26 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.799 that fight club thing when I think there's only one rule. 27 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.599 Yeah, yeah, you hung up on the tile. It's called 28 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:01.640 the Tiler Durden Complex. 29 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:03.519 The Durdan Complex. I get that sometimes. 30 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:08.240 Yeah. Now, I've been on the road the last couple 31 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:10.719 of days, and we can talk about that later. But 32 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:15.479 I traveled from Phoenix to Carson City, Nevada to cover 33 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:20.439 the new Land Rights States Rights Land Rights Bill, which 34 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.280 is being introduced into the Nevada state legislature and being 35 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:30.479 obviously backed by the Bundies among other people and ranchers 36 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.039 and farmers and thousands of other people in Nevada who 37 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:35.719 want to see this bill go through. So I was 38 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:40.520 kind of embedded on the Bundy bus and so yeah, 39 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.319 round the clock, last forty eight hours, that's what I've 40 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:47.360 been doing. But on the road, going through some interesting 41 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:49.800 country in Nevada. 42 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:50.560 Oh. 43 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.599 Yes, Nevada is a very interesting place. Yeah. 44 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.439 I mean some of the towns between Nevada. To put 45 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.759 between Las Vegas and Carson City. That's like the endless 46 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:03.120 bus ride. It's like it could have been twenty four hours, 47 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:05.400 but I think it was only about six or seven, 48 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.000 but it seemed like twenty four hours. It's just the 49 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.960 longest of the long the drives, and there's a couple 50 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.199 of desolate towns on that On that road, it's not 51 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:18.039 not a double lane highway. It's just you know, one 52 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:20.240 lane going up, the other lane coming back with a 53 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:22.919 dotted line in the middle. So very small freeway, but 54 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:24.879 a couple of towns look like they've been wiped out. 55 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.039 They look like nuclear test sites. And mind you, that's 56 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:32.840 not far away from the area as well, when you're 57 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:37.080 passing through the Edge of Death Valley, but literally towns 58 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.960 that are just there's no activity whatsoever in the buildings 59 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.120 are just completely dilapidated and grass growing out of the 60 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.879 roof of some of the house. I mean, it's just shocking. 61 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:48.479 I heard you can buy it. You can buy a 62 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:50.919 house and a plot of land for two thousand dollars. 63 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.120 That's amazing. You could only beat that in Detroit, right. 64 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:57.840 Well, yeah, yeah, in Detroit is giving it away. 65 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.439 Yeah, those roads are crazy. I've driven some of those 66 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.080 roads too, and it's like you can really kind of 67 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.000 get in that transfixed zone because those roads are so 68 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.479 straight and narrow and there's so few cars and they 69 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:09.680 just go into the horizon. 70 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.159 Yeah, there's a couple of oasis towns there, Tone of 71 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.920 Paul and all these which were great hunting towns back 72 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:18.519 in the day, you know, the days of the deer 73 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:24.000 hunting and stuff. So gambling, little casino there, saloons hotels, 74 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:29.040 so these are historic and also cold mining destinations are 75 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.800 on the way out for the gold rush. But it 76 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:34.040 changed a lot. The state of Nevada has changed a lot, 77 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:38.600 and that's what this bill that they're introducing is really 78 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:44.360 all about. It's about trying to gain some access back 79 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.480 to the land because the federal government's pretty much locked 80 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:48.959 it up. The name of the bills AB four zero 81 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:52.639 eight Nevada State Legislature and there's a story about it 82 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.079 up on twenty Firs Centric Wire. But it's pretty amazing 83 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:01.079 twelve months after the standoff at Bundy Ranch that they 84 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:04.920 would be presenting a bill like this in the legislature. 85 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:07.800 And there's quite a few assembly men and women who 86 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.959 are behind it, so it's not just coming out of 87 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.199 left field. This is something that a lot of people 88 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.839 in the state want. And there's similar pieces of legislation 89 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:22.240 that are going forward in Utah and Arizona, but I 90 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:27.160 think the one in Nevada passes constitutional muster better than 91 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:29.639 any of them. I don't know about the Arizona one though, 92 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:31.720 I need to go do a little research on that, 93 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.120 but hopefully we're going to cover that on the Sunday 94 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:40.399 Wire Show. But so there's something happening. There's a tide building, right, and. 95 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:42.720 Is this the type of thing that's going to bring 96 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.879 farmers back to Nevada, Because I know the Bundys are 97 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.279 one of the last remaining families that are in that 98 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:51.519 particular county, and there used to be a lot more, right. 99 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.680 Yeah, as Ryan Bundy on one of the many Bundy sons. 100 00:05:56.160 --> 00:06:01.240 But as Ryan Bundy said very eloquently yesterday or the 101 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:04.759 day before, he said, back when the BLM, the Bureau 102 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:08.199 of Land Management is the federal department under the Department 103 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:12.759 of Interior near the land managers, will they manage eighty 104 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:16.759 five percent of Nevada's land. But some people in the 105 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:19.319 BLM have been on record as saying they own the land. 106 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:25.759 So when they came into existence sometime in the twentieth century, 107 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.639 I think nineteen seventies, I'm not sure, but there was 108 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:34.279 two BLM agents that were liaising with fifty three or 109 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:39.839 fifty six ranchers in southern Nevada, and today there's over 110 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.120 two hundred BLM agents liaising with one rancher. 111 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:44.800 Wow. 112 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:50.360 Yeah, So that gives you an idea of it, that 113 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:54.040 tells you the whole story in a nutshell, is to 114 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:58.079 the federal mandate and how large it's become and how 115 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:04.399 restrictive it access to the land is. So and these aren't. 116 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.759 These aren't people that are just liaising. They are taking 117 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:12.160 an enforcement role, right, They're actually have armed agents patrolling 118 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.800 these lands and telling people what they can and can't 119 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.839 do on what should be public land, what was originally 120 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.399 public land. And they were just a management agency. 121 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:25.240 Right, Yeah, that's correct, that's what that's what you have now. 122 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.279 And as we saw last year, some of these agents 123 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.519 are better armed than some of our soldiers we'd send 124 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.879 into places like Iraq or presently in Afghanistan. So this 125 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.519 is more than just a you know, wilderness agent, you 126 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.560 know forestry or fish ation. This is something much much bigger. 127 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:48.920 So they originally came into being the BLM was to 128 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:55.800 settle disputes between farmers and so that is, and also 129 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.480 to help do some range improvements. And help with the 130 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.680 infrastruct sure water getting water from A to B, and 131 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.600 fences and all these things that allow these people to 132 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:10.759 work together in the same sort of neighborhood, if you will, 133 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:14.160 of the wilderness, and their role and their mandate just 134 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:19.720 increases increases as federal government does. So that's what happens, 135 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:23.199 and that's where we're at today. So this is a 136 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.079 bill that it's not a revolutionary bill. It's more of 137 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.279 a I think the people who wrote it see it 138 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:32.120 more as a correction. It's kind of a reset back 139 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:36.759 to when Nevada attained statehood back in eighteen sixty four. 140 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:42.679 The Constitution was very clear that all lands when Nevada 141 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.679 was a territory, that was all under federal control, and 142 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:50.360 when the moment Nevada became a state, then those lands 143 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.639 would have to be turned over to the state except 144 00:08:53.639 --> 00:09:02.559 for essential federal buildings, arsenals, military bases, other youthful federal 145 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:06.440 buildings and lands and so forth. So that never happened 146 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:12.720 in any of most of the Western states, so California, Nevada, Arizona, 147 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:19.240 Utah and others as well, I think eleven in total. 148 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:23.799 So each of them with their own individual unique issues, 149 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:27.840 is a big thing. If a bill like this passes, Uh, 150 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:32.440 it's it's huge. You know, it's really a massive sea 151 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:38.240 change in government in the United States, whereby states will 152 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:44.399 have you know, retaken some of the original powers that 153 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.840 they were granted in the US Constitution. So those have 154 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:51.159 been all reversed, Uh, you know, two hundred years later 155 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.240 or whatever how long it's been, and now you have 156 00:09:55.279 --> 00:10:00.639 a situation where the powers flowing down from Whathington, d C. 157 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.200 Through the states and into local communities, whereas before the 158 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.519 power flowed from counties up through states and whatever was 159 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.720 left they could do and have in Washington, d C. 160 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:15.639 That's all been inverted. 161 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.799 Yeah, that sounds sort of like a constitutional republic. I've 162 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:21.519 I haven't seen one of those in a long time. 163 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.440 Yeah, that's kind of the idea behind it. That's the 164 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:29.879 difference between a constitutional republic and other forms of government 165 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:33.720 or nation states. So so yeah, it's a bold move 166 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.120 and it's gonna there's a lot of resistance to it. 167 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:39.799 There's a lot of convoluted arguments that are going to 168 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.960 be made against a piece of legislation like that. But 169 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:47.679 I think the timing is is right. The timing is 170 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:50.080 as good as it's ever been. And I think what 171 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.080 happened last year on Bundy Ranch, funny enough, has really 172 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:59.679 helped people to be more open to this bill and 173 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.679 more receptive because it really showed last year just how 174 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:07.039 completely out of control the federal government really is. Oh. 175 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.559 Absolutely, I couldn't believe some of the images and reports 176 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:10.759 I was hearing. 177 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:15.799 From that event. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. So, yeah, that's 178 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:21.039 what's going on. And I think Basil Valentine sent me 179 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.320 a message he's wanting to jump into the boy of 180 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:23.679 the room. 181 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.200 All right, okay, let's add him up here. 182 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:30.399 If you've got him on your list. I sure do. 183 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:31.639 He's coming in right now. 184 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.120 Who else have you Who else who's jumping in here tonight? 185 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:38.440 Well, hopefully we'll have Sean, although I haven't heard back 186 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:42.200 from him. And if there's any other ACR regulars that 187 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:43.879 want to jump in, they're all welcome to. 188 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:47.600 Yeah. So that's what I've been doing for the last 189 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:51.080 two days. So it's been interesting to say the least. 190 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:54.440 And you know, the press conference out there was a 191 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.720 mob scene and they I think they had some paid 192 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:02.120 agitators coming in with signs. There was one guy with 193 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:06.799 the American Indian guy that came out and his science says, Bundy, 194 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.279 get off my land. So he's kind of claiming title 195 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.159 to everything, really, so I thought that's not going to 196 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:16.440 go too far. But Cliven Bundy was quite gracious and 197 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.559 invited him to come up and speak and said, I 198 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:24.159 sympathize with your people, and we've both been done wrong 199 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.600 by the federal government. And he started going into the 200 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.120 treaties and everything, and the guy was completely disarmed at 201 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.279 that point and didn't know what to do, and he 202 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:35.120 ran away after that because it was just too confusing. 203 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:40.080 He was expecting old Cliven to reach out with such 204 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:45.639 a kind gesture. But it was interesting, very interesting. 205 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.480 Way to go Cliven. That's an awesome story right there. 206 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:53.200 Yeah, and I saw a few immedia provocateurs, one person 207 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:57.840 who was masquerading as a journalist for NBC local affiliate 208 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:00.720 up there. I don't know if she was from Vegas 209 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:05.039 or Carson City, but that was shocking. She was not. 210 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:10.440 She was there with the other the protesters against Bundy 211 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:13.679 before and then her camera crew arrived. She jumped out 212 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.799 and became a journalist. It was amazing to watch, and 213 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:23.080 she was incredibly condescending. Told me, I need a lesson 214 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:29.919 in civics. But yeah, so unbelievable the things that go on. 215 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.240 You know, when something and an Apache helicopter came and 216 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:36.000 buzzed the press conference and this is the middle of 217 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:40.639 the capital of the nevadat Carson City, so that was weird. 218 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.200 Yeah, they have no business doing that, right. 219 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:47.440 That was so weird. Yeah, yeah, I took a photo 220 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:50.200 of it, but it wasn't that. The copter's not that 221 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.480 big in the photo because I was I had a 222 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.399 tripod set up and I didn't realize the thing was 223 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.879 going to do a few circles around us, but it did. 224 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:03.559 And I don't know why, but they just there's going 225 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:08.320 to be a lot of overreaction to anything Bundy related, 226 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:14.399 so by the state. But very interesting, very interesting. 227 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:18.120 Yeah, it's definitely in their best interest to make him 228 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.799 and his supporters look as bad as possible. 229 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.799 Right yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're always expecting the worst, 230 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:28.559 and you know, it's incredible, but nobody ever wants to 231 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.039 point any well, some people don't want to point any 232 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.919 finger or blame whatsoever at the federal government and the 233 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:41.519 BLM thugs. That's we can't criticize them. They were within 234 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.360 their rights. They made up all sorts of stories about 235 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:47.240 what Bundy did, what he didn't do, that he didn't 236 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.399 pay his grazing fees and all this stuff, and you 237 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.639 keep reading this over and over. Associated Press were there, 238 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.320 they printed an article and they repeated that same lie 239 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:00.279 that he owes grazing fees they have racked up over 240 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.399 the years, and that's a complete fabrication. I even think 241 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.360 the BLM hasn't even stated that on record. It's just 242 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.639 a rumor that circulated through the media that seems to 243 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:12.759 have a long lifespan. But he had no contract. I 244 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.960 believe after nineteen ninety five or ninety three, he had 245 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.519 no contract with the federal government for grazing fees. So 246 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:25.799 how can you owe something when you have no contractual obligation. 247 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.279 To have had to explain that to so many different 248 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.679 people about this, it's like that everyone just jumps right 249 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:35.600 to that. They've been programmed by the mainstream media to say, oh, well, 250 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:40.039 he owes federal taxes because that's federal land. No it's not, 251 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:44.879 it's public land. And even I heard him say once 252 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:47.639 that he tried to pay extra taxes. He said, okay, fine, 253 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:49.799 if I owe taxes, I'll pay that to the state 254 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.080 of Nevada and there was no tax code. Do we 255 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:55.519 even accept said taxes correct? 256 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:00.600 Yeah, no, into Clark County. Yeah, they had nothing to 257 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.480 They didn't have a number, uh to file it under. 258 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.919 So you know that check went uncashed. That is my understanding. 259 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.919 But they wrote in there. It's another misnomer. People think 260 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.399 that the BLM wrote in because of unpaid tax as well, 261 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:17.960 you know, in the kind of style of the irs. 262 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:20.879 That's not true. They came in on a court order. 263 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.960 It's my understanding from what I've seen. They came in 264 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.480 on a court order, which is an Environmental Protection Agency 265 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:32.399 EPA cord order, which is a stipulating that Bundy ranch 266 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:36.279 the public lands which he grazes his cattle. This is 267 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:40.639 a large area. You know, ranchers use public lands to graze. 268 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.639 They don't own all that land, but they're making beneficial 269 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:50.039 use of it obviously, So that is it was. It 270 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:52.919 was chosen to be a mitigation area for the desert tortoise. 271 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.320 And again the Associated Press said they're endangered, and I 272 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:00.000 don't think they're endangered, they're protected. There's a difference between 273 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:04.880 between those two things, is my understanding. If they're in danger, yeah, 274 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:07.640 if they were in danger, they wouldn't have euthanized a 275 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.599 thousand of them at the Las Vegas Desert Tortoise Sanctuary 276 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:16.640 this past December, which they did. They wouldn't have euthanized 277 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.119 them if they were endangered, so they didn't know what 278 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.279 to do with them. They're protected. So again this is 279 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.960 associated press. They don't fact check, they don't know what 280 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:27.680 they're talking about. Quite frankly, maybe they're nice people, but 281 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:30.559 you know, it shows you what passes for a journalism 282 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:36.000 these days. It's pretty shocking. So anyway, that's what they 283 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:38.839 came in for a turtle. So they moved Bundy's cows 284 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.440 off the land, or said thought they had an agency 285 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.359 to do that because this was the new sanctuary for 286 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.519 the desert tortoise. So that's it. 287 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.599 You know, I've been out in those deserts before where 288 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:57.079 those tortoises are protected, and I've talked to people that 289 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.000 have worked like outdoors their whole lives there and say, yeah, 290 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.400 I've never seen one, or i've seen one maybe once. 291 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.359 I mean, it's not like they're all over the place 292 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.160 and they're all getting trampled by cattle. 293 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.759 Sure, and bundies weren't killing turtles and their cows weren't 294 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:17.519 killing turtles. They designated that area for relocation of turtles 295 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:21.880 that would be displaced from projects like a solar plant 296 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:28.880 with NN Chinese US joint venture energy firm, or the 297 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:34.960 Pipe massive pipeline project going from Colorado to California, so 298 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:38.079 that there would be some displacement there of species. But 299 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.200 I mean, this is all basically stuff made up in 300 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:46.279 scientific studies. That's best estimate, best estimate, So you don't 301 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.559 know how many turtles have been killed displaced. They run 302 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:53.839 by charts and formulas and based on studies and population 303 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:58.000 studies of these animals. But to say so the bundies 304 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.960 didn't do anything wrong. They're just there minding their own business, 305 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:05.319 essentially trying to make a living, and a very meager 306 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:08.559 living at that because of the restrictions that they're under 307 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:14.759 with the working alongside or on land managed by the BLM. 308 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.839 So very difficult situation. And that's why this he's the 309 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.079 last rancher because most of them just couldn't make a 310 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:24.920 They couldn't make a living, definitely couldn't turn a profit, 311 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:31.559 and that's why there's only one cattle rancher in Clark County, 312 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.440 and that's a big county by the way, Clark County 313 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:35.160 is huge. 314 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.559 And it's down from it used to be what fifty two, 315 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:38.480 fifty one. 316 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:42.000 Something, fifty to fifty three. Wow, yeah, fifty three. That 317 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.440 was the number one beef producing patch of land in 318 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:49.720 the world one point. That's my understanding. And now it's 319 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:53.559 not even the top whatever, you know, letting in the 320 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:55.039 top thousand probably and. 321 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:57.039 The rest of these ranchers that have been forced out, 322 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:01.279 I assume they've been forced out by similar draconian EPA 323 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:03.160 regulations in BLM. 324 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:10.119 Yes, the combination of that plus the other technique the 325 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:13.039 BLM uses is to reduce the herd, the number of 326 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.559 herds per head they can have on this land for 327 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.920 environmental reasons or the BLM the federal government say no, 328 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.519 you're overgrazing. You need to cut your numbers down. And 329 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:23.400 each year they want to cut them down to the 330 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:27.920 point where it's not even worth running cattle. And there's 331 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:33.279 other other things techniques that are used to get rid 332 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.279 of them, and there's a big lobby behind that. It's 333 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:38.559 like cattle Free by ninety three. This was running in 334 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:44.160 the late eighties, and so there's definitely some political organizations 335 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:49.240 that were actively seeking and working through some of the 336 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:55.640 federal litigation facilities that were established to really their goals 337 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:58.599 cattle free by ninety three, and they nearly they've achieved 338 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:02.279 it pretty much. And then now there's a couple of 339 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:06.160 other sayings, big slogans over the years that they're campaigning 340 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:09.720 just want to get rid of beef production. Well, beef 341 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:14.920 consumption hasn't dropped, not in Nevada either, but they want 342 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.079 to get rid of production. So where would you get 343 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.599 the beef from? Well, there's two places where you could 344 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:25.160 import it from Mexico or Argentina, and Brazil is another place. 345 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:28.680 But one of the big importers of beef more and 346 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:30.720 more as the years goes by, is going to be 347 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:35.839 who is going to be China? China's running the huge 348 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.920 cattle industry and certain parts of China. And you know, 349 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:40.960 is that beef going to be a very good quality? 350 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:44.559 Is it going to be as good as is naturally 351 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:48.559 grazed cows in places like Nevada? And I don't think so. 352 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.839 I doubt it. I highly doubt that. 353 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:54.599 Yeah, and not fresh, and you know, long distance transport 354 00:21:54.720 --> 00:22:02.160 frozen probably expensive as well. Eventually, so you know, people 355 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:04.359 don't think about these things. They like going to Applebee's 356 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:06.960 and getting their steak, and where's that steak come from? 357 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.039 How much is that costing? 358 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:08.799 You know? 359 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:13.160 How much? You know, And I'm paying for Chateaubrion or 360 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:17.400 Flea Mignon. I'm paying thirty forty bucks for a little 361 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.480 six ounce you know, really a six ounce steak, and 362 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:22.759 you know it shouldn't be that much. 363 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:23.319 Right. 364 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:25.759 All the while, we're being told that we shouldn't have 365 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.240 small farms here in the United States, and they're bulldozing 366 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:33.480 rainforests in Argentina to build factory farms where they're going 367 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.400 to import us inferior quality meat. 368 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:38.680 Sure. Yeah, and they're opening McDonald lots of McDonald's. Is 369 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.119 because people say, oh, McDonald's right, this job creation, you know, 370 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.200 fast food. Oh we need to also get the minimum 371 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.160 wage up for this McDonald's workers as well. Fantastic, wonderful. However, 372 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:57.119 the factory beef industry for that fast food is some 373 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:02.839 of the most scorched earth policy type agriculture in South 374 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:06.039 America you can imagine. And that's a lot of it 375 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:10.359 is to cater for global brands Burger Kings and McDonald's 376 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:15.759 worldwide to deliver the volume that they need and quality 377 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.160 is not essential there. But now if you go to 378 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:23.839 any London restaurant or European restaurant, you're pretty sure that 379 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:27.599 you're going to be eating Brazilian beef. Most of the 380 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:33.799 time it's coming from Brazil, so it's not coming from Scotland. 381 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.160 There's a few places that serve Scottish grass fed angus beef, 382 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:40.799 you know, but it's most of it is coming from Brazil. 383 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:42.640 I know because I used to work in that industry, 384 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:46.000 so I could see what was coming through and what 385 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.519 we used to buy. We ended up buying Brazilian beef. 386 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:50.559 Is the only way we can get a good fill 387 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:54.039 it at a decent price because the volume was coming 388 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:57.160 into Europe, so the prices are manageable, you know. But 389 00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:02.200 that's the globalization, that's where it's heading. That's this is 390 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:07.480 the new model inter meat, yeah, interdependency, import export. But 391 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.559 I don't know enough on that. So that's going on there, 392 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.720 and we'll be reporting more about this in the next 393 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.440 coming weeks as well, so we can be down at 394 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:20.599 the ranch in a couple of weeks. 395 00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:23.079 That's right. So it's the one year anniversary and by 396 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.680 the way, Patrick, we have Basil joining us now. 397 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.200 As well, Basil Valentine. Is he still in New York? 398 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:32.799 No, but Basil is in London. 399 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:35.480 Basil's in London. Okay. 400 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.119 I like it when you gentlemen. 401 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.599