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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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My livers all twisted up, and you know what I did.

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Speaker 2: I loaded up with alcohol, more specifically vodka, whiskey, beer, tequila,

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more beer, more vodka, more whisky, and more beer.

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Speaker 3: Once an orange whipp ounch whip ounch whip, three orange whips.

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Speaker 1: So you're fur I've come here to break your monotony.

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Let me have my piece because I'm shooting with this one, folks,

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I don't fare man the unsprinted, uncensored, loose tannon of

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common tanner. Didn't you say that? Why you come out

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with stink like that? Poop can poop out? O? See son,

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Old legends never die, They just.

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Speaker 3: Lose weight like a legend out of work from with

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a lot of light day.

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Speaker 2: I've got a midget friend and albino friend and another

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friend who thinks Lord of the Rings is real.

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Speaker 1: Together we call ourselves the Unforgotable. Which toon is it?

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Let the fun begin, Helen, we have heard of Van Halen.

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It is party time. It is time for another f podcast.

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It's name of the show. I'm Mazie Presley. I'm the

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host of the program. Welcome and uh just got done

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with a great interview which you can hear in just

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just a few minutes with Jason McMaster from Dangerous Toys

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and so many other bands, and we dive deep into

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his background, we dive deep into metal metal, and we

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go all over the place and it's a lot of

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fun and we find out. You find out if there's

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going to beat Dangerous Toys records in twenty twenty six.

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You gotta wait till the end to find that out,

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but it's definitely worth it. And you know, we do

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the interview. I hammer beers because that's what I do.

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But I'm going to kick this off right now. Cheers.

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Shot tequila? Why not? Shot tequila? Rip it up? God,

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I fucking hate tequila. Tequila all tastes like tequila. It's

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like vodka. Vodka tastes like whiskeys. You can, yeah, they

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all taste different. Vodka tastes like vodka, Tequila tastes like tequila. Anyways, welcome.

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I'm glad you're here. And if you're new here, welcome

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to the program. If you've been listening for a while, yeah,

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you're on the audio side. You're getting annoyed with the ads,

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you're getting with the commercials. I get it, I understand.

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But here's your chance to just jump onto the Patreon

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Patreon dot com slash real Lizy Presley. It is Thursday.

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It is Thursday at is three point thirty pt PM

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as I'm recording this intro. Just got done recording with Jason,

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phenomenal interview guy can Talk Talk Louder podcast and Dangerous

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Toys and all. You know, Jason, dude's got history, knows

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what it's all about. But if you're sick of the ads,

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go to the Patreon Patreon dot com Slashelzy Presley. It's

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only five dollars. About a lot of you spend five

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dollars a day or more on your daily copy. This

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is five dollars a month to get all this all

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this great stuff and you get extra shows, all that

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kind of stuff. So check it out Patreon dot com

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slash Realizy President and like, if you if you sign up,

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and then just go back to yesterday and you'll hear

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a show where I'm talking about into the void, life,

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death and heavy metal. Do we get into that a

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little bit with Jason, but deeper Yesterday, well, at least

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on the first few episodes. Zoom meetups, chance to be

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on the UH listener, drunken something. It just goes on

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and on. Check it out, enjoy it and have fun.

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Jump on the Patreon. I also dive into spinal tap

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on the last show. Dude, just check it out. Look,

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I'm not gonna sit here and talk for twenty minutes

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and make you wait for the Jason McMaster interview. I

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mean I would because I could, but I won't because

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I think you're swell. So let's do this. Here's a

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little thing. You heard it on the last week with

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Bruce Kulick, and there's a lot of thank you everybody

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that enjoyed the Bruce Keek interview. Almost up to five

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thousand views on the YouTube, and I appreciate that. And

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that's what happens when you have good guests and good interviews.

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I'm going to keep bringing those to you, probably next

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week Fingers crossed. Brian Slagel got other stuff that I'm

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trying to line up as well. So let's just do this.

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Let's listen to the beautiful voice of the one and

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only Mike Dawson and we'll be right back with Jason

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McMaster from Dangerous Toys. A reading from the Gospel of

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mister Big Chapter, lean into it verse to.

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Speaker 1: I'm the one who wants to be with you deep inside.

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to be the next to be with you. Praise be

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have never done this before, My ginger brethren, the one

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and only Jason McMaster Dangerous Toys. Good morning, sir, Good afternoon.

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It's afternoon. That's right, it's afternoon. How the hell are you?

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Speaker 3: I am fine? How are you?

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but I forgot.

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but they don't have the light. They just have the regular,

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Speaker 3: That's always Austin is great until you live there.

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roll hang. It's like they're they're doing some shows at

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things are things. All things must pass.

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Speaker 1: Know, absolutely. Jason. So you are a part of the

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Talking Louder podcast and I just came across this. I

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named this another fucking podcast twelve years ago and now everybody.

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have thought you were talking about spinal tap or seeing

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snatchers or a cocoon, you know, fishing with larvae. I

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don't know. I think that I think that I found

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out about what a podcast actually was when Danko Jones

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on three times. And you get a free patch when

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you're on three times. Yeah, I got this cool Danko

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Jones patch because anyway, and he invited the first, I

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my podcast, my podcast, and sure, anything you want, Danko,

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because I love Danko Jones and we have mutual respect and.

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does a Peter Cris tribute. Uh?

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and puts some makeup on and does it.

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but I seem to have heard that, probably from him. Yeah,

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regularly anyway. I have one, of course, I've you know,

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because I'm not saying that I do it correctly at all.

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long story, so we'll get into that equipment for podcasting. So, uh,

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not really knowing what the hell it was really all

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my guitar player songwriting partner Jared Tutan from Broken Teeth

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he says, hey, you know when you guys get together

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at a party or whatever and you guys start nerding

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out on Motorhead or kiss or whatever, then Lizzy, you

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guys just start talking about something and you either clear

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the room or you bunch the room. Like everybody comes

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in like flies, and you are the shit, right, and

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everyone's landing on you because they're amazed at the nerd

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I understand. You either clear the room or you draw

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them in. And Jared said, that's a fucking podcast. Yeah,

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that's that's how that works. All you need is a

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couple of nerds and some good topic and people will

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check it out because people like to play with their

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So why wouldn't we have a podcast of just a

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bunch of nerds talking bybe blah blah, Bye bye, he

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Freely Bye bye bye bye, Paul Stanley, Bye bye bye.

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You know that's a podcast. And I'm like, oh right, okay,

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so we get a couple of them in the canon.

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It's just me and Dave, you know, shooting the show.

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We'll pick a topic. Hey man, what do we talk about? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Cool?

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Speaker 3: So we you know, we did like two or three

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episodes of us just nerding out on something and then

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went on for hours and my buddy Jared would adedit

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them and they were great, and we were like, wow,

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that was fun. Cool, Hey, what's for dinner? And Jared's like,

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hold the phone, no, no, no, We're talking hundreds of these.

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decades of doing and we're like, oh my god, you

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know it was it was something else to realize that.

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in order to understand what he was asking of us,

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the commitment. Here we are five years into it, the

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Talk Louder podcast, and we've had our idols on there,

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from Wolf Hoffman to Graham Bonnett to Ripper Owen's to dude,

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every once in a while we'll go back and do

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the original idea, which was just Beavis and Butt heead

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Wayne's World type, you know, rip off that metal show

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and turn it into Wayne's World kind of thing. So,

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which is great. That's all great programming, and especially if

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you like rock and roll, because when rock and roll

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people get together, cool shirt, dude, you know, it's like

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some people just watch it. I think to see my shirt,

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you know, which I am wearing. Which I am wearing

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quite an awesome fucking shirt right now.

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Speaker 1: I can't see the bottom of it. Is that Is

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that a Metal Blade shirt?

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Speaker 3: It's a Metal Blade record shirt.

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Speaker 1: And ironically, when's the last time you've been to Vegas

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because there's a Metal Blade museum museum.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I've never been. I've had Brian Slego on

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Paclouder podcast. I've worshiped probably a little too much. He's

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one of my idols, Brian slegl Uh. You know, I

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used to bug him a lot and now I don't

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bug him anymore. But he's he's uh, he's really created.

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I don't have to tell anybody. Everybody knows Brian, and

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if if you and if you don't, you need to figure.

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Speaker 1: Out, uh right, Brian's great and uh. Actually, ironically how

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this ties into you. Last year he had me moving

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his some stuff from his Phoenix apartment because the Coyotes

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left to Dallas. And when I'm pulling into Texas, I'm

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bright and early in the morning, I'm wearing my uh,

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I'm wearing my Dangerous Toy shirt.

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Speaker 3: Nice and I.

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Speaker 1: Stop at a gas station to get like a breakfast burrito,

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and there's this black kid, probably twenty three years old.

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He's like, dude, dangerous Toys. I'm like, hold on, fuck,

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you know, dangerous Toy. It's like, dude, everybody on the

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job side, think, listen to this shit. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Well, young rockers unite, I know, you know, and and

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keep the old dudes alive. That's what that's what that's.

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You know, old dude pull pulls in to get some gas.

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Young dude goes, dude, your shirt rule you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's how the vikings recognize it's a flag. I

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get it, man, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So you said the start this thing, this podcast started

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during COVID, and a lot of podcasts starting during COVID,

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and a lot of them in away. Yeah, and it

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props to you for keeping it going because a lot

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of people like, all right, I'm just doing this to

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fill time, and all a sudden life starts again. It's like, yeah,

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I don't have time for this shit anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well again I get that, and I understand that.

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You know, our numbers are not great. I feel like

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we do it because we have fallen in love with it. Yeah,

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and that's enough. That's just enough.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I think that it keeps your chops up. I think

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that it's important to talk about the things that you

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care about, whether they're new or old. There's always a topic.

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We're always meeting new people. We've got some great guests

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coming up. Do you know who Dorothea Taylor is?

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Speaker 1: She does she just by Dorothy? Is this this singer

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gal that's out there now? Like big numbers? Okay, No,

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she's the drummer.

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Speaker 3: She's the old drummer, lady down with the sickness. She's

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been on Jimmy Fallon. She's in the new new new

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Spinal Tap movie show.

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Speaker 1: Spinal Tap. Did you see the new Spinal Tap yet?

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Speaker 3: Did you want to have it?

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Speaker 1: You? Do you want to go see it?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I do, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: Well. I mean if you go to the theater, you

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can pretty much have a private screening because it's not

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selling tickets. But you get a private screening a spinal

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tap dumb down here's and a lot of people are

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like complaining about it. It's like, dude, it's not the

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original fucking film, you know, come on, I have a

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little common sense here, I say, if you're gonna see it,

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have the mentality of your watching it behind the music

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of a band reuniting that does not like each other,

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and just it's the awkwardness that makes it phenomenal. I

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loved it. I thought he was great.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to see it just because it has

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all the legendary people on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, that's great too. I mean yeah, I

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mean Paul McCartney, you know, yeah, John Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's phenomenal. So the thing that I love about doing

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this talking to people like you who I know, who

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I'm you know. I don't know if you know this,

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but like even in the MySpace days, we were messaging.

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Speaker 3: Oh far out uh yeah, I think, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Think you're broken Yeah, your broken teeth.

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Speaker 3: Page I think I recall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But because I like getting the stories, you know,

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It's like I like having the conversation I don't have

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questions like for this one, I got a couple of

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things written down. A lot of times it's just boom,

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let's just shoot the ship and see where it goes.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: What I mean is it that the cool part for

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you too is like talking like to your friends and

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learning about them that you don't need.

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Speaker 3: That's right. I think that where you're going with this is,

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you know, scripting everything is bullshit. It's not gonna work

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for you because I've done I've guessed it on podcasts.

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I've checked out podcasts that have fucking incredible numbers, like

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annihilate my numbers. I've got, like, you know, a couple thousand.

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I don't have shit. And there's a dude who has

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you know, tens gazillion you know, trillion followers and subscribers,

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and they're reading the question off of the paper and

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they sound like this, and I'm like, really, dude, and

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their mic sounds like shit and just the whole thing.

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And I'm not I'm not being a dick. I'm just

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I'm being a production manager. That's all I'm being. I'm

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I'm listening, uh, to the topic, to the format, to

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the delivery, which there's none there's no delivery and this,

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and and sometimes the guest is like, wow, I'm wondering

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if they fucking paid them to be there.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think my problem with because, like I'm not

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gonna lie. When I first started doing this, I had,

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you know, I had history and radio, I had history

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in print. But when I first started doing this, I

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had questions and I had them written out. But you can,

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like you said, you guys, first tell and but the

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problem is a lot of these people that do this,

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they have the questions written out, but they don't have

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the ability to ask the follow up questions. And that's

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where the good stuff comes out. And they just just

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like boom, they're just reading their questions, all right, cool,

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thank you see you later. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's where metal Dave comes in, isn't The

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real name is David Glessner. His mother did not name

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him metal well.

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Speaker 1: Would be pretty badass of he's.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing is about about Dave is he's more

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into like Hanoi Rocks and the Ramones and Aerosmith than

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he is you know, an ac DC anything with like

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swagger and shit than he is fucking you know. But

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he likes Voivod too. So I get it. I get it.

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But he's more like you know, Ramones, Aerosmith and not

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so much uh, you know Celtic Frost and Slayer. You know,

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so Uh. He is a journalist. He's interviewed David Bowie

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and David Lee Roth and Angus Young and Ozzy Osbourne

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and is he wanted, Gene Simmons and Lemmy and you know,

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you know he's he's a fucking journalist. Yea. Now he does.

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It's a side hustle for him now because he works

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for a corporate company and he probably writes reviews for

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you know, sofa people who make sofas or something. I

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don't know what it is, cars or something, who knows.

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he can get because he's a writer. But he's a

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journalist and he knows how to talk to people, ask

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questions and read the reviews and make assumptions and and

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and lay it out for the consumer or whatever it

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is he's doing, which is what a fucking journalist does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Him being a hardcore rock and roll fan is important

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to what it is you and I are doing here.

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So he's the real journalist between the two so he

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would be the Wayne and I the Garth. He would

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be the butt head and I would be the Beavis.

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You know, he would be he would be the Eddie Trunk,

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and I would be probably Florentine.

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Speaker 1: No reason for that, that's brutal. I don't know. I

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don't know that he's the reason for that. But he

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you know, he's a Ginger too. He's a yeah, you know,

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as Ginger's. We get along, that's what we do.

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Speaker 3: That's does he have the lowest voice you ever heard?

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Speaker 1: Jesus, it's just down there. It's like, you know, he

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just does you know, no reason.

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Speaker 3: It's like lower than that though anyway, I know I

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love those guys so much. Anyway, the point is you're

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not wrong. When COVID hit everybody, I'll start a podcast,

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you know. And we were part of the sheep that

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followed us. So the great thing is is between me

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and Jared, and between me and Jared, we had enough

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gear to just set it all up and go. And

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I was already in the process of learning being teaching

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myself as well as learning from the company I worked

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for the School of Rock how to teach musical lessons online. Yeah,

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because we couldn't leave the house. We couldn't leave the house.

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So I'm sorry, even in Texas, even in Texas. Wow,

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So we had we had enough gear. Of course, the

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gear has gotten a little bit better as we've gone through,

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but I've I've had to buy minimal stuff. You know.

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Speaker 1: First, if you have all the recording gear, you've got

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the gear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, However you can use it if you have

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a mixer that's got that takes a USB cable into

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your into your uh, your router, You're done. Yeah, you're

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you're kind of done. That's all you really need. But

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you know, I need to hear it back a certain

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way and la la la. So anyway, the and then

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Jared does all the editing and it's never live, so

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you know, we can edit, Uh, we can go long winded.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: We've had Todd Lttory on the show, you know, four

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times or three times or something, and he'll go for

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three hours. You know, he's got a lot to say.

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I love that dude. I am such a huge fan

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of that dude. And anyway, it's been great. The Talk

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Ladder podcast dot com. You can see a list of

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all of our guests and it's going strong and we've

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got some fun stuff coming up. And yeah, that's just

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one of the many, many, many things that have going on.

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There's actually a link that came out today. I'll just

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segue into this because it's super fresh. It just hit

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the internet a few hours ago. I've been working and

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we started this probably a few years ago with Jack Frost,

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who plays guitar in Aldanova. Okay, but he was also

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in Sabotage back in the day and he's played with everybody.

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I think he just filled in with the Bullet Boys

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like a few months back. Anyway, Jack Frost, he's been

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around forever. Ace Guitar Player released a couple of records

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Got a decade ago, fifteen twenty years ago. Alan Techio

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did one or two. He's a Jersey singer. He replaced

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me in Watchtower when I jumped to the Toys. It's

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the band it's called Seven Witches. Stay with me. He

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also did another seven Witches, maybe two seven Witches records

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with my buddy James Rivera, who sings for hell Star

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and they're a legendary Texas metal band too. So he

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gets these Jersey meets Texas guys to be on this

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seven Witches band project type thing. Well, he contacted me

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and we've always wanted to work together. Started sending me songs.

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We have an EP that came out digitally or is available.

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You get a bundle of vinyl, a T shirt, a

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CD of blah blah blah. But the project, he changed

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the name of it. He wanted to tie it in,

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but he wants it to be a band. And it's

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called Night Terror. Okay, that's what it's called Night Night Terror,

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and he decided to call it that after the fail.

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Oh and the EP is called Return of the Witches.

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So in with this seven Witches, but it's not seven

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Witches because it's different people kind of and uh, it's

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got members from you know, the drummer was in Diamond

464
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:12,240
Head for a minute.

465
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,079
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

466
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's all this there's this stuff. There's these

467
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:20,319
dudes that he has, you know, that he works with,

468
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,359
and he just anyway, night Terror. Check it out. It's

469
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,440
it's information is flowing on the web as we speak,

470
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:33,359
and it's fresh pickings. Yeah yeah, and it's fun. It's

471
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:39,640
power metal kind of stuff. It's it's very sabotage, it's

472
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,680
you know, it's it's metal. Yeah, you like it's groovy.

473
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:44,640
It's groovy met.

474
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Like a metal metal guy, like, do you dive into

475
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,359
like the death metal? Do you dive into the real

476
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,039
heavy shit?

477
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? I go way back when you know, I could

478
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,160
name two hundred metal bands and there wasn't. You can't.

479
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,039
You couldn't name two hundred and one metal bands because

480
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:06,720
there wasn't two hundred and one there was on I go,

481
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,880
I've been a metal head forever. So at the when

482
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,759
the dam broke, as I like to say, around eighty

483
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,319
one and eighty two, I started to get into a

484
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:20,759
lot of early underground metal. And this goes back to

485
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,839
you know, I mentioned Voivod before and Celtic Frost and

486
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,279
hell Hammer and anything that was sort of esoteric and underground.

487
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:33,160
This is pre Metallica and pre you know, this is

488
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,839
earlier type of things that I started to get Venom,

489
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,839
you know, motor had you know, you find Motorhead, you

490
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,599
find Motorhead added you know in nineteen eighty well, Asus

491
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:47,240
Spades was brand new in eighty so you start finding

492
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,599
out all about all this other new waver British heavy metal,

493
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:54,359
right and the dam breaks. After that you become a

494
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,039
giant Saxon fan from there, you're just my angel Witch

495
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,759
and just all of this stuff and Merciful Fate and

496
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,359
then American bands like Queens Reich and I was already

497
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:10,559
into bands like Riot and stuff like that. So you know,

498
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,200
if my friends know I'm into all of that stuff,

499
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,359
it just rains. And I was big on the tape

500
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:25,079
trading thing, underground tape trading anything I say, pre internet.

501
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:31,000
So you know, I remember hearing a Los Angeles Slayer

502
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,920
for the very first time and going wow, you know

503
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,680
what I mean, And just like the first time you

504
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:39,759
heard Kill Them All and Metallica, Wow, you know. And

505
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,519
I like to make the somewhat of a joke and

506
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:48,079
I'm not trashing anybody's record collection. But when you hear

507
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,880
that kind of stuff, first thing you say is, I

508
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,839
didn't know that you could do that with guitars and drums.

509
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,480
I didn't know that you could play guitars and drums

510
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,480
and sing like that. And then it also earns it

511
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,880
is this punk rock, you know what I mean. People

512
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720
don't know, They just don't know, and then they start

513
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:09,400
to really wonder why do I like this kind of

514
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,079
a thing, And eventually it makes you want to throw

515
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:14,240
away your docking record.

516
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,599
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I know that far.

517
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,119
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm in. That's why I prefaced it

518
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,480
with That's why I prefaced it with, like, hey, I

519
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,880
love butt rock. I'll take I love button Obviously I'm

520
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,880
a butt rock king. But the point that I'm making

521
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:33,200
is the dirgier, doomier and faster and when you get

522
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,519
to the ceiling, I want to break the ceiling and

523
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:39,839
go faster. It's impossible with the music that's out there now.

524
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,720
As far as Sabbath Worship goes, and the doom and

525
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,480
the sludge and the you know, you break out the

526
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,079
floor and let's go to hell and go as low

527
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,559
and as slow as we get, you can't do it.

528
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:56,640
It's been done already. So that's how metal I am is.

529
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,799
I have been called omnivorous to my metal like. I

530
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,680
like it all. I'll lead at all. I don't care.

531
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,599
I like it all. Yeah, I can find something good.

532
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,559
I love music. So in nineteen eighty two I joined

533
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:13,759
a band. It was my first singing gay ever. I

534
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:21,559
joined a band called Watchtower, the most weirdo progressive arguably

535
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:29,200
arguably created PROGM thrash metal. Arguably I'm throwing quotes saying

536
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:36,440
arguably pioneers, arguably pioneered progressive thrash metal. Now you can

537
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:40,880
ask You could ask Chuck Shuldener of death, but he's

538
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,480
no longer with us. Championed, championed, championed the band his

539
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:52,000
entire career. People that were in his band, like Gene Hoagland,

540
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,440
who plays drums in Dark Angel, who's been in opethan Testament,

541
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,839
sat in with Anthrax, and he's in that clock. He's

542
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,720
he's fucking Gene Hogland. If you don't know who Gene

543
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,319
Hogland is and you're missing out, especially if you're a drummer.

544
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,360
He's probably next to Chuck Shuldener, our biggest fan, been

545
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,000
championing Watchtower forever. So in eighty two, I joined this band,

546
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:21,440
cut my teeth as a singer in this prag thrash band,

547
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:27,280
and me liking ac DC and Silly Slow. You know,

548
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,320
I like tiny tim and you know Sesame Street songs

549
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,760
and country and thrash, and while like it, oh the

550
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,119
country too, Yeah, I love it. So so moving forward,

551
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,400
I start Moonlighting and the rest is history. I joined

552
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,239
the Toys and that would have been like Spring of

553
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,679
eighty eight. Record comes out in eighty nine and everybody

554
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:57,000
knows the toys history. So staying on Watchtower, we are

555
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:03,199
in the middle of sell brating a five show run

556
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:09,000
in September of twenty twenty five, celebrating our fortieth year

557
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,760
anniversary of our debut record, which came out in eighty five. Wow,

558
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,440
so forty years of Energetic Disassembly. The first record is

559
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,440
called Energetic Disassembly and it had Billy White on guitar,

560
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:27,159
founding member who ended up on Don docin Up from

561
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,639
the Ashes with Mickey Dion drums, John norm on second guitar.

562
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,519
Billy played most of the solos Peter Balti is from

563
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:37,679
except on bass boom. What a band. Speaking of Dowcin, Yeah,

564
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,199
so that would have been in eighty eight, eighty nine,

565
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,920
ninety as well, so me and him. He jumped ship

566
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:50,159
watch Hour in eighty six to do other things and

567
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,079
then got a call from California and went in an

568
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:55,920
auditioned for Dowkin and got the gig and played in

569
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,000
a killer band with half of his record collection, which

570
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:06,239
is awesome. For Billy. I was moonlighting and someone walked

571
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,440
into a bar and saw the toys and said, got

572
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,360
a bag of money if you want it. You know, yeah,

573
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,360
and I took it, and you know, I had a chance.

574
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,880
Here's here's something. And I mean no disrespect to Watchhower,

575
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,679
but I had a chance to write my own songs,

576
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,400
which was attractive to me too, right of course, because

577
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,480
Watchtower had its own thing and I didn't want to

578
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:31,079
mess with that when I joined Watchhower. These were these

579
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,320
We were in high school, you know, it's like eighty

580
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,840
one eighty two, that's high school.

581
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: So I walk into the room and they need a singer,

583
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,239
and I'm their singer, and they play me their original

584
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,840
material and it's like Frank Zappa meets Rush in a blender.

585
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,159
You know. It's fucked up, you know, and I'm going, wait,

586
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,920
what where's the downbeat? You know, because it's just all

587
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,360
of the instruments falling down the stairs in time on

588
00:36:54,559 --> 00:37:01,280
rapid fire, right right right? Love it? And uh, you know,

589
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,480
our biggest fans, Our biggest fans have always been Mike Portnoy,

590
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:09,039
Chuck Shuldener, uh and uh and Gene Hoagland and then

591
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,719
there's a you know, and anything that's related to those

592
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,920
guys just turns into branches, right right.

593
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this because I want to

594
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,760
dive into this a little bit after this. But so

595
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,119
you said, the thing that was that really excited you about,

596
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,000
you know, the toys thing is you got to write

597
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,760
your own music. How did you develop as a songwriter

598
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:34,760
if you weren't writing the songs with with that?

599
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,519
Speaker 3: Well, I had, I had obviously dabbled, and I knew

600
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:45,400
how to structure a song of course, you know, but

601
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:48,360
as far as like I was terrible at writing lyrics,

602
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:53,760
I was. I could play guitar, okay, so I could

603
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,119
write riffs and and you know, find melodies. Yeah, zero

604
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,079
training in anything. And now I've been working for School

605
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:06,880
of Rock twenty years. How does that compute right anyway? Well,

606
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,239
I don't have a degree. I have ped degree, right,

607
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:16,039
So yeah, that's a great that's a great question. I

608
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:19,880
kind of just fell into it, you know, man. I

609
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,559
think that it's because I'm such a fan of just music. Yeah,

610
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:28,639
and and you know, knowing what should come next and

611
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,679
in the way that a song feels, in a way

612
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:33,800
that a song as much as it feels as much

613
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,719
as it sounds, and how long a rest should be,

614
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,159
you know, counting your measures, you know, what's long enough

615
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,400
to get that emotional value in a song where the

616
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,960
pin drops and then the explosion happened. You know that

617
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,320
that kind of shit is important to know other than

618
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,679
just like strummy, strummy strum. I've written a hundred songs, Well,

619
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:58,920
how many of them are good? Are any of them

620
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,480
going to make me cry or get mad or dance

621
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,519
or because if they're not calling some kind of like

622
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:12,159
pulling the audience heartstrings and emotional things, then you're not

623
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,239
doing anything right.

624
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,599
Speaker 1: You know. It's weird because I was working with this

625
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,840
eighties band and they were like an eighties cover band.

626
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,960
It was the singer, the male singer was from this

627
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,519
He was from a vocal band called I can't remember

628
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,760
their name, but they're from Fargo. But they did the

629
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,199
song McDonald's Girl, which was in the commercial Yaha YadA

630
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,000
YadA f McDonald's. And their female singer was Johnny Lang's

631
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,920
sister Jesse, who was top ten on American Idol. And

632
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,039
it was just it was all eighties pop stuff, you know,

633
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,719
So there was a lot of tracks to fill it

634
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,159
up because with that stuff you have to you can't

635
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,159
bring a full fucking band playing bars, but I'd bring

636
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,320
up songs. He goes, well, what's the crowd gonna do.

637
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,360
Are they gonna dance? They're not gonna dan, so that

638
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,559
what are they going to do? So that when you

639
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,719
just said what are they going to do? That's what

640
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,480
made me think of that.

641
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,679
Speaker 3: Well, the song. You know, in a cover band, the

642
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,559
song has to be right for your band. Do you

643
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,519
does your band sound good playing that song is? If not,

644
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,679
you need to get rid of it. If you have

645
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,639
to use too many tracks because you can't reproduce that

646
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,480
song with the band that you've got, you need to

647
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,599
get rid of it. The songs need to apply with

648
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:31,239
the band, with the band's agility, availability, what they look

649
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,400
and feel like when they're singing it, when they're playing it.

650
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,400
If it's not just about oh, we need to drop

651
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,920
that because the audience doesn't doesn't have anything to do

652
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,559
well first off, going to a rehearsal. I'm not telling

653
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,719
anybody what to do. I'm just saying if you have

654
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,519
a band and for some reason you're going, man, something's

655
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,679
just not right. You know what? You know that if

656
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,079
the song doesn't fit, you need to need to find

657
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,079
the kind of song that works for for your band

658
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,079
and for what it is that you're trying to do

659
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,480
That's that's important stuff right there.

660
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ye.

661
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 3: But but back to your question about you know, well,

662
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,159
you know you wanted to write your own songs, and

663
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,000
you know, dude, I didn't like any This might fuck

664
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,599
your mind a little bit. I didn't really like any

665
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,599
of the songs I was part of, you know, the

666
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:30,719
writing process until I was about thirty years old. Well,

667
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,519
that First Toys record came out, and you know I

668
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:34,280
was twenty two.

669
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so think.

670
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 3: About that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I wasn't really

671
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,840
happy with what emotionally I was my output was, and

672
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,960
how it came back to me and how it felt

673
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,840
when I sang it or when I played it, or

674
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,760
when I wrote it or when I even fucking listened

675
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,920
to it. Now, yeah, I didn't really, I mean yeah,

676
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,239
I mean, the First Toys Are record is great, it's fun.

677
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,159
It's a classic now if I may say so myself,

678
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,199
I'm bias, of course, but it's a classic rock album

679
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,360
and sold the shit done and blah blah lah. But

680
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,079
the point, the point is the point as a writer.

681
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,000
You know, it took me a few more years to

682
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:21,000
actually go I'm proud, I'm this one. I could play

683
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,519
for your grandma you go check this out. See what

684
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:24,960
I'm saying.

685
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, are there song like talking about that First

686
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,199
Toys record? Are there songs that you're not proud of?

687
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: Well, I think that there's songs on there that are

688
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,840
better than the song before it or the song after it,

689
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,480
if that makes any sense. My favorite song is probably

690
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,800
Bones in the Gutter, And I think that that the

691
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,880
band writing that you know, that funky rift and it's

692
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,480
Bones in the Gutter is totally different than anything else

693
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:54,840
on the record too, when you kind of really spin

694
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,679
your brain around it. Yeah, maybe the chorus you know,

695
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,440
sounds like quote dangerous Toys when you're broken. Oh, then

696
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,679
you know you can kind of feel the band right there.

697
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,840
But there's some crazy, funky aerosmith he kind of weird,

698
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,679
I don't know, something going on in the verses and

699
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,159
the bridges, And it's the lyric, it's the storytelling that

700
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,000
I'm proud of on that. It's not so much of

701
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,400
the same emotional value that I might be talking about

702
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:32,639
that it's a little more delicate. Yeah, there's no power

703
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,440
ballads really on that First Toys record. But I did

704
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,880
write the lyrics to Feels like a Hammer, which is

705
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,639
probably the closest thing to a power ballad on there,

706
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,800
but it's still kind of heavy. It's just dirgy, and

707
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,679
it has a breakdown and you know, and you know,

708
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,960
there's some emotional things. I mean, a young person going

709
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,800
through some things and writing it down and oh, okay,

710
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,239
well this will work for that that song, you know,

711
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,599
teasing Police, And I didn't write the lyrics for that. Outlaw,

712
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,239
did not write the lyrics for that ten Boots. I

713
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,039
did not write the lyrics for that. So I wrote

714
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,559
Scared Bones in the Gutter.

715
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: At that dog, Uh sporting a woody?

716
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: Uh, just sporting a woody, Take me drunk.

717
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: You know.

718
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,599
Speaker 3: I was writing these silly, funny things that just became

719
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,880
easy for me to write. And I was around, you know,

720
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:29,639
the the band. The guys in the band, we were

721
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:33,760
fun to bounce things off of because they talked like that.

722
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,599
You know, each every band has its own language, and

723
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,280
so there was, you know, there was some silliness going on,

724
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,840
and so I felt like some of that crept its

725
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,440
way in.

726
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: Uh oh oh no, oh no, we lost them. We're

727
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,159
gonna pause.

728
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: So, you know, writing songs was new to me to

729
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,360
an extent, but it wasn't completely foreign because of the

730
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:32,159
experience that I had working with these incredible musicians in Watchhower,

731
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:37,239
which you know was literally like having Alan Holdsworth on guitar,

732
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:40,480
Geddy Lee on bass, and Neil Purt on drums.

733
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: Right right, Well that's what it was like. Yeah, So

734
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:48,199
getting back to the metal thing, it's like sometimes when

735
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,800
I do this, I just kind of go off in

736
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,320
weird tangents. I jump all the fine. I like it.

737
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,920
You're talking about the metal metal stuff. And I texted

738
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,079
you earlier asking if you had had a chance to

739
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,559
see the End of the Void on the Hulu. If

740
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,760
you don't have Hulu, one of the rod you brought

741
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,360
up one of the bands. They have an episode on Death.

742
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,519
There's an episode on the band Death. And that's all

743
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,719
new to me. Enemy new to me. I mean the

744
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,880
Dimebag thing, the Randy Rose thing, the Judas Priest trial.

745
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:26,079
So so you knew about Death, you knew about did

746
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,880
you know about Enemy? Did you know about bands like that?

747
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,199
Speaker 3: I don't think I know Enemy, but but I know

748
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,079
Death because you know they were they were called something else.

749
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,199
There was there were fanzines. The tape t mentioned the

750
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,400
tape trading thing. The fanzine thing was really big. And

751
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:50,119
that's you know, I remember burning, you know, to two

752
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,880
cassette deck, burning all day long cassettes of my demos, Watchtower,

753
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,360
ship whatever, and putting them in regular envelopes and licking

754
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,199
and puttings and hoping that it wouldn't get smashed in

755
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,760
the machine at the post office. And the whole tape

756
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,920
training thing was big. The fansying thing was big. And

757
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:13,320
I had heard about Death and there they were called

758
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,519
something else before they were called Death. But there were

759
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:19,199
kids just like me. Yeah, so that was a big,

760
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,760
big deal. So you know, as we, you know, work

761
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,960
on our silly metal band here in Austin, Texas, and

762
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,320
Chuck's over there working on his silly metal band, and

763
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,599
you know, we don't have training. I don't know how

764
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:37,159
to really sing, you know, Okay, guitar player may have

765
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,400
had a couple lessons, you know, la la la. Everybody's

766
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,079
just figuring it out on their own. And these are people,

767
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:47,960
you know, like Chuck became a great heavy metal singer

768
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:52,119
as he figured it out album to album. Yeah, and

769
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,719
he was always looking for something new and different. He

770
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,880
loved Queens Reich, he loved Watchtower, he liked these bands

771
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,159
were always sort of pushing, you know, the envelope until

772
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,559
they found something that really worked for their band. I mean,

773
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:10,400
I feel like Queenswid really peaked and found this thing

774
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:14,239
that they were great at and they're still phenomenal at.

775
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,039
And they've even got this whole other leg now on

776
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,840
their Monster with the Todd Littoria out front. Of course,

777
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:26,000
of course, yes, amazing, and that rarely happens. So, you know,

778
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:28,679
Chuck was one of those guys. He's just one of me.

779
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,039
He's just one of us. So when he found out

780
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:33,400
about Watchtower and I found out about death, it was

781
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:38,360
it's fast friend, you know, wow, and there were knew him?

782
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: Did you know him?

783
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:45,559
Speaker 3: It was yeah, really yeah, hold on here you go.

784
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: Wow, dude.

785
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: That was taken in h two thousand. That photos twenty

786
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:56,239
five years ago.

787
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:57,199
Speaker 1: Wow.

788
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: So six months before he six months before he before

789
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,400
he passed away, watch Hower was doing a reunion and

790
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,760
we were playing this festival in Germany called Bang Your Head,

791
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,639
and we did some warm up shows around here. Him

792
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,760
and his people flew to Texas and came to both

793
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,119
of our warm up shows, and that's when that was taken.

794
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:25,599
Due he passed away six months later. Yeah, to be clear,

795
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,280
to be clear, we were not close. We were not

796
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,119
you know close, but so much admiration and and he

797
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,440
you know, Gene Hoagland plays on two or three of

798
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:42,239
his albums. Geene Hoagland was in Death. So Gene Hogland

799
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,440
and Chuck, you know, two of the biggest Watchtower fans

800
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:50,639
in the fucking world in one band. It's kind of well, I.

801
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: Tell you this is this is why it's so wildly

802
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:59,199
watching this series is I had no idea who Death was. Okay,

803
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,719
this was just behind them, is basically behind the music

804
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:03,599
stuff about.

805
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,639
Speaker 3: Can I interrupt for one moment please? On Amazon, there

806
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,880
is a full linked documentary film called I don't want

807
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,119
to get the title wrong, I'm probably gonna oh it's

808
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:21,159
called Death by Metal, okay, and it's a movie about Chuck.

809
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,079
It's a movie about the band Death And like two

810
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:28,559
or three of the interviews in the movie he's wearing

811
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:32,079
a Watchtower shirt. Two or three of the interviews in

812
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:34,679
it that made it into the film, they're like the

813
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,679
interviewers like, so what are you into? What do you? Oh? Man,

814
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,800
I like a lot of stuff, but I'm really into

815
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,159
this band Watchtower.

816
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: It's wild.

817
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: So it's okay that you're late. But this documentary called

818
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:55,239
Death by Metal has been on Amazon Prime for years and.

819
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: It's so funny also watching these things, you know what

820
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:03,480
ties all of this together? Kiss Kiss, It's all fucking

821
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:04,719
kiss thisss.

822
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: Is the gate all together? Kisses the Gateway band, for sure?

823
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,079
Speaker 1: It really is. You discovered kiss in the seventies, obviously,

824
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,159
and that's why you started playing bass.

825
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:20,679
Speaker 3: That's correct, you wont yeah, I still want to be Gene.

826
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,199
So the funny thing about that is is, well, it's

827
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,440
not funny, it's it's it's a pretty normal story. You know.

828
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,840
You know, you have a bunch of little forty five's

829
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,559
when you're a little kid and you're like five years

830
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:39,039
old or whatever, and you know, and I was five

831
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,480
years old in nineteen seventy, so you know, La la la,

832
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,400
babysitter lives across the street, starts playing Yellow Brick Road.

833
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:48,559
Speaker 1: Wow, what is that?

834
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: That's all. I was totally drawn to Elton Man, just

835
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,280
the tone of his voice and whatever.

836
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:54,599
Speaker 1: You know.

837
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: My brothers were all into the Beatles and that's great,

838
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,840
but it didn't it wasn't really talking to me. Elton

839
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:08,159
did and uh and then I uh, I uh, you know,

840
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,159
was asking the babysitters like, hey, what you know, start

841
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,000
checking out the album and stuff. Man boom, I was hooked.

842
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:18,840
I started bagging birthdays and Christmases for full for you know,

843
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,000
twelve inch LP, you know. And I just had a

844
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,360
stack of Elton And I would stay in my room

845
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,719
all summer long and just listen to it all day,

846
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,280
come out to eat, go right back in a you know.

847
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,400
I practice riding to you know, popping a wheelie all

848
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,480
the way down the link to my street too, because

849
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,039
that's you were cool if you could do that. Yeah,

850
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,360
so I kept up, you know, appearances by doing that.

851
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:43,119
But man, I was in there listening to records. Well,

852
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:47,239
some neighborhood kids had older brothers as well. I had

853
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,960
older brothers. I have younger too, older their record collections

854
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,079
were phenomenal. My it was my younger brother that turned

855
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:58,000
me onto priest and ac DC. Figure that one out, Yeah, dude, And.

856
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: That wasn't the older brothers. It was the younger brother's wild.

857
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 3: Younger brothers sometimes can be cooler than the older brothers.

858
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,320
But I know, hey, there's no contest. So I'm down

859
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,159
the street at some neighborhood friends. You know, they're my age.

860
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,079
There are a man, my younger brother. There are our

861
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:16,280
age and they have older brothers, and there were in

862
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:19,079
their room. They have to share a room. Yeah, and

863
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:21,960
he puts on kiss Alive. And I'm like, what the

864
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,679
is that? I heard the crowd screen, you know, yeah, no,

865
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,920
I was like, what what does this? You know, I

866
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,639
was very young still, you know, I don't know eight, yeah,

867
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,840
you know whatever, it was seventy five, you know, I

868
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,960
was ten. There you go, I was ten because it

869
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:39,599
was it was it was alive, it was kiss Alive

870
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,280
and maybe it might have been early seventy six whatever,

871
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,719
And I was in sixth grade there you go, fifth fifth,

872
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,400
fifth grade, and he goes check it out and I'm

873
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,360
holding the album cover and the same thing that happened

874
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,079
when I heard Elton, the same fucking thing. You know,

875
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:01,000
your your heart races, you start to in a different color,

876
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,639
and you know, I got the rock and pneumonia and

877
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:12,079
the what's the song? Yeahog flew that's right? So so

878
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,480
I can't I stack a Kiss record?

879
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:15,039
Speaker 1: So right?

880
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: And in the and in the interim, Alice Cooper tons

881
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:27,840
of Queen because Queen was like Kiss meets Elton. Queen

882
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,119
was like that Queen is a metal band. Queen is

883
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:34,440
a metal band. They're a pop band. They're orchestral. There,

884
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:40,880
they're punk rock, sometimes they're pop. They're everything, right, kind

885
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,519
of like Pink Floyd. You had said the same kind

886
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:47,320
of thing about Pink Floyd anyway, never totally got into

887
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,519
Pink Floyd, but mad respect. So all of that, right,

888
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,519
all of that stuff just is the reason. But Kiss

889
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:59,119
is the gateway. I noticed. Kiss is having all the

890
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,199
fun right right, Yeah, you Kisses sound all the fun.

891
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: So you remember the first time you met anybody from

892
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,039
Kiss And what was that experience?

893
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll never forget because they couldn't give a shit.

894
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

895
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,079
Speaker 3: Yeah. I met. I met Gene and Paul at a T. J.

896
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:26,400
Martell Foundation fundraiser. Drummer Mark Gary Dangerous Toys was on

897
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:29,719
the team. He was on Alice Cooper's team playing softball

898
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,280
raise money. People bought tickets, la la, la, la la.

899
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,599
There was a bowling alley and our publicist took us

900
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:37,880
in to meet Gene and Paul and they just looked

901
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,840
straight over my head into the sky and while I'm

902
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,800
shaking their hand, Oh my god, you guys fucking changed

903
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,800
my world. They could. They were busy, they didn't care. Yeah,

904
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,280
I have a pretty funny Paul Stanley story, and he's

905
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,760
you know, I'm not hating, not throwing any shade. I

906
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:04,880
have never figured this mystery out. It's years later, nineties,

907
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,199
early nineties. I know the date I ever written down somewhere.

908
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,559
Kiss was no makeup years yep. And I don't think

909
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,880
it was Revenge era.

910
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: It would have been the would have been the Revenge

911
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,559
tour if it was early nineties, unless it was ninety

912
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:22,000
it would have been hot in the shade.

913
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: Might have been hot in the shade. Sounds more correct.

914
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:27,159
Speaker 1: Okay, so hold on, hold on, hold hold on, I

915
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:28,639
can tell you who is the opening band.

916
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's not it's it wasn't a they surely they

917
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,039
were on tour, but it was a festival, so there's

918
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,000
all kinds of ship you know. Lead of Ford and

919
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:40,559
Pat Travers could have been who knows, you know. And uh,

920
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,440
I don't have any you know, posters or all my

921
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,119
Kiss albums. I don't have any of that stuff with me, right.

922
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,440
Some friends of mine were on the on the Actually,

923
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:55,519
the producer of my podcast, Jared Tutan, was in a

924
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,800
band on Geffen called Pariah and they were they were

925
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,000
one of the they were one of the opening bands. Anyway.

926
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,159
So I'm there hanging with Pray. I think I got

927
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,840
up and sang a song with him or something. So,

928
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,400
you know, Kiss plays, it's after they play, it's still

929
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:12,400
daylight out and because it's this big outdoor thing, and

930
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,360
Paul Stanley's out just out in the back Commons area

931
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:19,800
by himself, just walking from like a trailer to somewhere

932
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,880
Kate who knows, and there's just a few people walking

933
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,519
around and I'm back there, probably coming from the porta potty. Yeah,

934
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,280
and I've got the stick on, you know, the paper

935
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,800
stick on pass you know, a thing on my shirt,

936
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:39,880
and uh, people are back there with posters and albums

937
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,599
and you know, they got a satchel and he's signing

938
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:44,360
all of it. He's just standing in the middle of

939
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,000
the Texas Sun signing all of this cool shit and

940
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:50,440
being cool as fuck to everybody. And I'm like, wow,

941
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:54,320
this is awesome. I'm at arms linked with one of

942
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:00,159
my people, and and uh, you know, this is after

943
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:04,280
my MTV hey Day and everything, right, So so I peel,

944
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,079
I peel the pass off, I stick it on my hands.

945
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,800
So there's a little mini desk for him to sharp

946
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,280
be on my pass and I hold it up like

947
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,000
this and he looks up at me and he looks

948
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:18,840
at he looks at that, and then he looks at

949
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,559
that and he has the pen in one hand and

950
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:25,000
the cap in the other and he goes click and

951
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:27,840
puts it together and turns around and walks away.

952
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have the same story. Yeah, the

953
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:38,760
convention tour that they did in ninety five Bloomington, Minnesota,

954
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,039
were there. They do the Q and A, they do

955
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:47,039
the do the acoustics show. Then they just said come up,

956
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,719
you know, we'll say hi, you can, We'll sign stuff,

957
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,639
you know, go up to Gen. Hey, you doing. It's

958
00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:52,119
good to see you.

959
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: You know.

960
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,519
Speaker 1: It does his thing and Bruce and Eric was super

961
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:58,360
nice that I get up to where Paul is and

962
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,480
this happened twice within two days. And there's just he's

963
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,920
signing for all these girls, you know, with the pout

964
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:11,920
mm hmm. I get up to Paul with my the

965
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:13,760
hat that I was wearing. Then I had the other

966
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,599
guy signed and he looks at me and just starts

967
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:21,719
walking away, and I turned into Sebastian. Dude. I've been

968
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:27,039
waiting for this my whole life. And he stops with

969
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:32,639
the pout, signs it and disappears. The next morning because

970
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,719
we stayed at the hotel that they had this at.

971
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,599
It was the Bloomington the Ratison South in Bloomington. And

972
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:42,840
I get up. I'm dressed like a complete fucking kiss tard.

973
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,000
I got my convention shirt on, I got my kiss

974
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:48,760
hat on. Going down to get a mountain dew elevator

975
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,519
was up. Jeans in the elevator, nice, and there's a

976
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:56,679
bunch of few people. It was like, come along. I'm like, okay,

977
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,760
Jeans Simmons and I said something to him and he

978
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,440
was super cool. And we get down to the lobby

979
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:05,880
and I go down and I'm sitting on a couch

980
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:11,480
with Gene Simmons having a conversation, and all of a sudden,

981
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:14,360
this gal comes up. He goes excuse me, like, oh,

982
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,760
this is fucking over. And I remember he said to her,

983
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,320
He's like, how are you. She's like, I'm good. How

984
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,320
are you? He goes, good, did you get laid last night?

985
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,159
She goes, yeah, did you? He goes of course, fucking Jeane, right,

986
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,159
So all of a sudden, Bruce and Eric come down,

987
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:32,519
and then I realized, oh, they're meeting to get on

988
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:35,159
the bus to get the fuck out of here, and

989
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:39,280
somebody had a silver sharpie. My kiss hat is down

990
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:41,760
like it's not a reach, but it's down here. It's

991
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,920
the one that had him all signed that morning, that morning,

992
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:46,920
And all of a sudden, Paul comes out of the

993
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,280
elevator and by this time the word had gotten out

994
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:55,679
that kisses downstairs. Elevator opens up. There's Paul. He's wearing

995
01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:57,920
that fucking bomber jacket with the middle finger on the

996
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,199
back that I still want so fucking bad. His hair

997
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,559
is all fucked up, he's got his sunglasses on. He

998
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:08,199
walks on, He's like, sees people start signing, gets right

999
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,880
to me and starts walking away. And I did the

1000
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:15,719
exact same thing. I turned back into Sebastian Bach. Don't

1001
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,920
have been waiting for this my whole life. And he stopped.

1002
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,440
He signed the hat, biggest signature on the hat disappeared.

1003
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,599
Same fucking thing, same thing. We have the same story.

1004
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,760
But let me ask you this. Who was playing drums?

1005
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:31,639
Was it Eric Singer or Eric carr.

1006
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm gonna say Eric Singer, Okay, so it would

1007
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:38,119
have been hot.

1008
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: That would have been revenge. That would have been revenge.

1009
01:01:41,199 --> 01:01:45,039
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I uh, it just seems like it was

1010
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:49,800
earlier than that. But anyway, nonetheless, that's my Paul Stanley story.

1011
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,280
So of course I remember to your question. Of course,

1012
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,360
I remember how I felt when I met those guys,

1013
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,480
and then you know, in ninety one, which was would

1014
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:04,480
have been just prior to that, I was on tour

1015
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:08,079
with with Uh. That's why it's I'm telling you it's

1016
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:11,119
not revenge, because I was just on tour with Eric

1017
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:13,280
Singer when we were supporting Alice.

1018
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: Cooper, gotcha, gotcha? Well that makes sense.

1019
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:20,239
Speaker 3: On the shade then I guess, Yeah, I would have

1020
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:20,880
been on the shade.

1021
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: Then I guess. Like I said, we're flopping all over.

1022
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:25,960
But I don't want to keep you way too long.

1023
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,480
How long did it take you to find your voice vocally?

1024
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 3: Well, I started singing. I moved to Austin from Corpus Christie,

1025
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:46,159
Gulf of Mexico in like nineteen eighty and I only

1026
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,800
I've been playing bass for a few years. I got

1027
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:56,239
a bass when I was about twelve and self taught

1028
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,199
and just playing with my records in my room. It

1029
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,960
was these kids from you know, in the neighborhood that

1030
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,760
were a few years older than me. They were probably

1031
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,119
seventeen eighteen and I was fourteen, you know, ish and

1032
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:16,599
by that time anyway, and been playing, you know, messing

1033
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:20,199
with it for a couple of years. And they heard

1034
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,679
that I played bass and they needed a bass player.

1035
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,960
I was convenient, so, you know, they came over and

1036
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,639
guitar player and singer came over and brought a little

1037
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:34,840
lamp and they came up to my room. We played

1038
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,000
some Jews, priest or whatever. A couple hours later, they're like, yeah, man,

1039
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:41,159
this will work, this will work. So they really liked

1040
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:44,760
having me around because at my mom's house we had

1041
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,360
this room in the back where we could practice. So

1042
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:51,039
I talked to my mom and say, hey, man, these

1043
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:52,800
guys want me to be in their band. Can we

1044
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,400
prec Oh sure, no problem. So that was great and

1045
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,559
I did that for you know, it's seem like it

1046
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:04,840
was just gonna last forever, your first real band, you know.

1047
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:09,800
And I remember we played well, I just I guess

1048
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,320
you could call it top forty. We played hold the Line,

1049
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:16,840
but now now you know, and we played a ton

1050
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,079
of priests and a ton of ac DC, and I

1051
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:24,199
don't remember really doing any kiss. We may have done

1052
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,639
like a Legs Diamond song. Who knows. It was fun,

1053
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:29,480
it was great.

1054
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: We played.

1055
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:36,519
Speaker 3: I think I remember playing one gig with him, and

1056
01:04:36,800 --> 01:05:03,440
it was at a backyard party high school. Oh no, hey, yeah, hi, Hi,

1057
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:07,039
let's do this again. So I'm are you recording?

1058
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:07,599
Speaker 1: Oh?

1059
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I'm playing. I'm playing bass in this band

1060
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:13,360
at this high school party with my first band. We're

1061
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:18,719
called Rampage. We play everything we know. We're taking a break.

1062
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:22,679
It's probably nine o'clock at night, ten o'clock at night,

1063
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:27,119
and I'm like, I'm like fIF I'm young, fourteen or

1064
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:30,119
fifteen or something, and I'm you know, it's in my neighborhood,

1065
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,800
you know whatever, and we put I put down my

1066
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,360
base and I start tugging on T shirts and my

1067
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,800
bandmates going, we're gonna play anymore. We're gonna play again.

1068
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,320
And it was kind of like, get away from me, kid,

1069
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,000
you cramping my style because there's girls everywhere. Of course,

1070
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:50,559
well I'm not. I don't know girls yet.

1071
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

1072
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,039
Speaker 3: I think that that was my That was it. I

1073
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,239
think that they were done with me because as I

1074
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,239
was little too, like they you know, it got weird

1075
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,960
for them, and I was innocent.

1076
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,079
Speaker 1: And the words of the Great Chips enough you're scoring

1077
01:06:10,199 --> 01:06:10,800
all the trim.

1078
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 3: Maybe I didn't. I didn't know about that, and I

1079
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:19,119
was I was fine with not knowing about that. I

1080
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,320
wanted to fucking play rock and roll.

1081
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:22,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1082
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:28,119
Speaker 3: So you know, it's funny, you know how thirty years

1083
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,639
later they mentioned the band still stayed together years later

1084
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,079
a version of the band, same singer, I think, and

1085
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:38,880
they mentioned on the website Jason McMaster Dangerous Toys used

1086
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,679
to be in our band, but they leave out the

1087
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,920
story about how they canned me cause I wasn't cool enough.

1088
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:46,960
It's kind of funny.

1089
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,239
Speaker 1: Actually, usually it's usually how it happens. Just three more

1090
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,559
things I want to touch on, because, like I said,

1091
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:53,599
I don't want to keep you wait.

1092
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:55,559
Speaker 3: You were asking me about how I found.

1093
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,239
Speaker 1: My voice, your singing voice.

1094
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I moved to Austin a

1095
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:04,719
few years later. I've formed a band with some dudes

1096
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,599
I met who I'm still friends with. We were called

1097
01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:12,000
Fallen Angel and kind of the same thing. Bunch of priests,

1098
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:15,280
a bunch of rush, bunch of cool stuff like early Crocus.

1099
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,760
You know a bunch of cool fun stuff. We tried

1100
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,480
out all our high school buddies who said they were singers,

1101
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,639
and me and my buddy Mike the drummer, we're looking

1102
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:27,679
at each other during like a rehearsal, going, are you

1103
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,360
hearing this thought? They said they were a singer, and

1104
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,119
we're not even singers, but we know we're better than

1105
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:36,400
the singer that's in there auditioning. So me and him

1106
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:39,480
just took up vocals. We didn't try to, you know,

1107
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:44,360
learn anything. We just did our best. Well. Six months later,

1108
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:48,880
we we're looking for a guitar player and I find

1109
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,440
this card at a music store on the bulletin board

1110
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,760
pre Internet. Of course, this would have been in nineteen

1111
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,079
eighty one or eighty two, eighty one, early eighty two,

1112
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:05,800
maybe eighty one, and uh, you know, seventeen or some shit, right,

1113
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,840
And I thought, oh, watch hour, I think I've heard

1114
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,039
about that. And it says heavy metal and available for parties.

1115
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:14,679
And it had their mom's phone number. Remember when you

1116
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:17,359
could put your mom's fucking phone number one?

1117
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: You still do?

1118
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:19,199
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1119
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: I hate it?

1120
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, of course, so anyway, uh, you can't do

1121
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,560
that shit anymore. I called him and I said, look,

1122
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:30,000
you know, I said, can I talk to Billy? And

1123
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:32,720
they're like, hold on a second. And Billy gets on

1124
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,199
the phone. He's like hello, and I'm like, you don't

1125
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:40,039
know me. My name is Jason, but I'm kind of

1126
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:42,479
only been in Austin for a little while, less than

1127
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,079
a year, and I have this band and we've heard

1128
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:49,359
of you, and I'm like, how is wait? Stop? So

1129
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,159
I'm not trying to headhunt you as a guitar player.

1130
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,399
I'm asked calling to ask, Hi've minded people? Do you

1131
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,760
know any guitar players that want to play heavy metal

1132
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,479
and hard rock with me and my drummer dude? Because

1133
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:09,720
when we want to keep it going, you should come over. Okay, awesome.

1134
01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:13,880
I came over. I brought my bass. This is where

1135
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:18,119
Watchtower ended up rehearsing the first few years of its infancy.

1136
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: And.

1137
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 3: And I walk in. I set my bass down. I'm

1138
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,079
wearing a leather jacket, you know. But Billy answer answers

1139
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:29,000
the door. Here's this sixteen year old kid with hair

1140
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:33,680
down to his ass. I go in his room is

1141
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,279
the converted garage. There's Iron Maiden in UFO and Randy

1142
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:41,000
Rhads posters everywhere. Whatever would have been eighty one eighty

1143
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:43,680
two by then, because Randy Rhodes, he was all about

1144
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,439
Randy Rhoads. Yeah, And before I can really get my

1145
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,279
bass out of my case, he turns on his vamp

1146
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,520
and gets his guitar and starts playing eruption perfect note

1147
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,720
for note Randy Rhodes solos and shit, and I'm going

1148
01:09:57,159 --> 01:09:59,760
hold on the set, put the bass back in the case,

1149
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:02,840
lifted to put it aside, and I'm like, all right, cool,

1150
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:06,119
So how about you know any numbers. I don't want

1151
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,119
to take up your fucking time.

1152
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: I am not.

1153
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 3: I am potatoes and you are fucking delicious fried chicken.

1154
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:20,640
Uh you know, I'm the side dish. And so we

1155
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,880
end up we got along great man, and we ended

1156
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,159
up introduced me to his bass player. We ended up

1157
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:27,279
hanging around at it a week later. I was their

1158
01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:31,920
singer fast forward. That means I'm not playing bass, yeah,

1159
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,359
because they have a bass player. Doug Keezer is the

1160
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:40,520
bass player. He's like Getty Lee on Crack anyway, So uh,

1161
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,399
and I'm the singer Getty Lee on Crack. Take two

1162
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:48,800
of us to make one Getty on Crack. So yeah,

1163
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,960
I went, oh, here you go. I got invited to

1164
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:54,279
a rehearsal. That's what it was. Just a couple of

1165
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:56,399
days after we met and hung out, and that's the

1166
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,720
first time I met the drummer extraordinary, Rick Kola Luka,

1167
01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:03,960
who's an alien from another planet. No one plays like him,

1168
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,880
No one would want to because it's like what wait,

1169
01:11:07,039 --> 01:11:10,760
what what It's like drums falling down the stairs in time.

1170
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:15,399
Mike Portnoy goes, no one plays like him. Geene Hoagland goes,

1171
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,199
no one plays like him. So anyway, I love you, Rick,

1172
01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:22,960
So anyway, I show up to the rehearsal. They had

1173
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,960
a singer prior to me, someone named a ghost named

1174
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:32,760
Travis Allen. I've never met the man. He didn't show

1175
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,880
up to rehearsal that day. So I'm in Billy White's room,

1176
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,720
the room I was hearing him just shred on, you know,

1177
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,760
seventy two hours prior. And I'm there for like an

1178
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,840
hour just going, oh my god, awesome, listen to him

1179
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:52,520
play all this original, crazy, wicked, crazy metal music. That's

1180
01:11:53,079 --> 01:11:58,319
like I said, rush on dope. And there's a set

1181
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,119
list next to my head on the wall, like I'm

1182
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:03,000
leaning in the kind of in the doorway and there's

1183
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:07,319
this you know, three foot set list of tons of shit.

1184
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,199
I knew, you know, yah, Stack and Priest keep going

1185
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:17,439
Van whatever, Van Halen, Ufo whatever, tons of rush, you know,

1186
01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:20,800
and they go, hey, it doesn't look like he's going

1187
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,560
to show up. You want to sing a song with us?

1188
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:27,600
And I'm like, I would love to. Yeah, So I

1189
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,479
grabbed the mic and I The first song I ever

1190
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,079
sang with Watchtower was Motorcycle Man by Saxon.

1191
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:36,079
Speaker 1: Wow.

1192
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No. I wouldn't even try to impress them.

1193
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,960
I was just a massive Saxon fan and they were like,

1194
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:45,920
you know, you know Sack, Well, it's on their list,

1195
01:12:46,119 --> 01:12:50,119
It's on their set list. Yeah, so that will always

1196
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:53,439
go down in history. You know, I had only been

1197
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,760
really singing, like fronting a rock of course, I was

1198
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,199
a singing bass player. Yeah, but I had no ever

1199
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,279
like just held the mic like what do I do?

1200
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:08,479
Until that day and so, you know, a bunch of

1201
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,760
gigs later, here I am still doing it, and I

1202
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,600
owe it all to Watchtower finding my voice. You know,

1203
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,000
I have old tapes from back then, eighty two, eighty three,

1204
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:23,680
eighty four boombox recordings of us singing like you know,

1205
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,720
here's one that came out last week. It's Black Sabbath

1206
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,520
with their new singer Ronnie James Dio. This is called

1207
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,800
Heaven in Hell. You know, it's that kind of shit,

1208
01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:36,199
you know what I mean? This record no one's heard yet.

1209
01:13:36,359 --> 01:13:38,960
This is called this is off a record called Too

1210
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:42,279
Fast for Love. This is called Live Wire. I dare

1211
01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:44,920
you to tell me the name of the band. No

1212
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:45,439
one could.

1213
01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: Do you still have those? I do?

1214
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 3: I do? Oh wow, So I sound fucking awful, So

1215
01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:56,760
you know I'm still I had like this little kid

1216
01:13:57,079 --> 01:14:01,119
chest voice and then nothing in between, and then I

1217
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:04,359
had this high pitch like Mickey Mouse. So I had

1218
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,520
no bridge. You know, I had no like middle mid

1219
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,159
range crooning voice. I had as high as I.

1220
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:14,119
Speaker 1: Can go with my chest voice, and then nothing.

1221
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:17,199
Speaker 3: And then, you know, so I could go, you know,

1222
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:20,000
I could sing a Judas Priest with the screams, but

1223
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,680
if it was too high in the middle somewhere, I

1224
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,159
just had to fake it. Until one day I didn't

1225
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,520
you know, I'd built the bridge and I found a

1226
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,119
way to sing in the break and realize that a

1227
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:37,199
lot of my favorite singers do use that. Janice Joplin

1228
01:14:37,359 --> 01:14:41,640
used the break. Uh, Stephen Tyler sings on the break.

1229
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,720
Rob Harvard has you know, ten voices that he uses.

1230
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,760
He's got one, he sings on, I just had to

1231
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,800
figure it out on my own, you.

1232
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,520
Speaker 1: Know, dude, it's wild. So we just saw davely Roth

1233
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:58,600
here in Vegas. I'm sorry, well, hold on, it was fun.

1234
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,239
It was fun. Yes, it was fun. It's what you

1235
01:15:02,279 --> 01:15:03,520
would expected.

1236
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: Davidie Roth supposed to be fun.

1237
01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. But because if it's not fun, why are we

1238
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,159
doing it? So I was talking to hell Sparks, who

1239
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,760
fronts of Van Halen tribute called Your.

1240
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 3: Love Love how Sparks don't know him personally, but he's great.

1241
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: Great dude. He's a great dude. And we were talking

1242
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:23,239
about it after outside after the show, and he goes,

1243
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:27,079
you know, what would actually help Dave is to do

1244
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:31,199
it in standard tuning because you just bring him up

1245
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,600
that half step and it would be easier for him.

1246
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:39,000
And I'm like, oh, that's an interesting concept. And he's like,

1247
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:43,319
I'm actually thinking about doing that with nerd Halen because

1248
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:46,159
it would be easier for me to sing it. It's like, wow,

1249
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:48,720
that's an interesting concept as a singer. What is your

1250
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:49,239
thought on that?

1251
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 3: That means that that's a personal preference, because that means

1252
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,239
that their the break and their voice is in a different,

1253
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:03,720
entirely different place, and mine would be right. Not every

1254
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,560
singer has the same range, right, here's your range, here's

1255
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,840
my range, here's his range, here's her range. So wherever

1256
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:16,800
the notes needed to sing this song or that song,

1257
01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:19,760
they might be in like this danger zone where your

1258
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,119
weakest point in your range is and you're in danger

1259
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:27,319
of ruining that part because you're not strong there. Right,

1260
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:31,960
So Hal is suggesting that David Lee Roth's voice has

1261
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:35,359
changed so it'd be easier for him to sing that

1262
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,159
melody in a higher pitch than it was back in

1263
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:39,560
the day.

1264
01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:44,079
Speaker 1: I find that very interesting. Yeah, yeah, I just wanted

1265
01:16:44,119 --> 01:16:46,840
to throw that by another singer, you know, sure.

1266
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 3: No, that's it's very interesting the fact that how would

1267
01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:54,920
would would feel strongly enough about that to bring it

1268
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:58,439
up in a conversation as a trip, because usually it's

1269
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,920
the other way around. If a singer can't if a

1270
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,920
singer can't sing right there where they've worn a hole

1271
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,199
in the rug, it's like dancing to one place your

1272
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:11,159
whole life. Well, you've worn out that note in your

1273
01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:13,960
range and you can't hit it anymore, so you got

1274
01:17:14,079 --> 01:17:16,680
to move it over a little bit. Maybe he means that,

1275
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,720
but usually it's a lower note and not a higher note.

1276
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I just I just thought it was an

1277
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,520
interesting concept being a Texas guy. Do you have any

1278
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,239
good Pantera stories? I don't.

1279
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:34,279
Speaker 3: Those guys. You know, we're more of like on the

1280
01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:37,560
glamy side when I was more of on the thrash

1281
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,560
metal side. And then we sort of do some role

1282
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,600
reversal a little bit, right when you don't think well,

1283
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,159
like I said, we started this convo with me saying, look,

1284
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:52,600
I'm omnivorous. I write Christmas music, I write country songs.

1285
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,800
You know the point is that I'm making when when

1286
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,760
you bring up Pantera is they were this cover band

1287
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:04,159
that was like these young guys that threw it in

1288
01:18:04,279 --> 01:18:07,560
a van and went all around Texas all the way

1289
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,199
up to Tennessee and turned around and did it again

1290
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:13,800
all the way back. And Darryl, this guitar player kid,

1291
01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:17,520
was winning all these shred contests yep. And he never

1292
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,439
had to buy any strings or picks or guitars or

1293
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:25,000
amps because they the prizes were money and gear. So

1294
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,520
who was legend about this band? Pantera? For all these

1295
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,039
and also back then they didn't have Philip and Zelmo, right,

1296
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,119
I mean until they did. But they didn't have Philip,

1297
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:39,319
they had Terry Glaze. So when they lost Terry Glaze,

1298
01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:45,600
this would have been wet eighty six, seven eighty six

1299
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,479
or seven eighty six or eighty seven, guessing. I don't

1300
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:55,680
know the timeline. Mister Abbott, Darryl and Vinnie's father called

1301
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:01,920
me to ask me to audition for Pantero, and I

1302
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,359
said no, and I had good reasons. I was still

1303
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:10,880
in Watchtower. That was maybe one of the reasons. Unfortunately,

1304
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,680
with the departure of Billy White and the entry of

1305
01:19:16,279 --> 01:19:22,760
phenomenal virtuoso guitar player Ron jar Zombek, whose brother is

1306
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,560
the drummer for George Strait, as well as Fate's Warning

1307
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,600
who used to play with Sebastian who has played with everybody,

1308
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,479
Bobby jar Zambac anyway, Ron jar Zombac had just They're

1309
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,279
from San Antonio, their families down the road. I had

1310
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:42,239
just gotten Ron to replace Billy. I don't know of

1311
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:47,119
anybody else in Texas anyway that would have fit in

1312
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:51,880
Watchtower because it's very esoteric. So I needed a Steve

1313
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,439
I Frank Zappa type of a weirdo, and Ron was

1314
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,479
perfect to when he was already friends of ours, He's

1315
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:02,520
friends with Billy. Everything was lead Domino's were going to

1316
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,800
Ron anyway. That was probably a reason. Hey man, I

1317
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,279
just got this back, you know, on the rails. I'm

1318
01:20:09,319 --> 01:20:12,319
trying to you know, Da Da Da Da Da. And

1319
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,640
it was shortly after that I started to moonlight with

1320
01:20:16,119 --> 01:20:20,079
these guys that ended up becoming a band called Dangerous Toys.

1321
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:27,800
But yeah, but beside the fact, a week later after

1322
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:32,520
I hung up with mister Abbot, Vince called me. Vinnie

1323
01:20:33,399 --> 01:20:38,199
Vinnie Paul Abbott called me, and he was pretty much like, hey, man,

1324
01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:41,960
are you sure you know sure?

1325
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: You know what this is.

1326
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 3: To be clear for internet cyber world, this is not

1327
01:20:48,079 --> 01:20:50,520
an offer to join the band. This is an offer

1328
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:56,079
to audition. And I turned it down. And then you know,

1329
01:20:56,119 --> 01:20:58,079
I ended up in the Toys and they ended up

1330
01:20:58,079 --> 01:21:02,760
getting fill up and just explosions going on, which I

1331
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,399
think is great. Obviously they got the right guy, and

1332
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,319
I made a great decision, and obviously everything worked out

1333
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,920
and we were all friends in the end, and Da

1334
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,800
Da Da, which is really great. And the same thing

1335
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,039
happened with skid Row. Snake called me twice. Yeah, it

1336
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:22,800
would have been ninety ninety four right.

1337
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:27,520
Speaker 1: After Ah, it would have been late they got rid of.

1338
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:32,279
Well it was ninety four five, Yeabasha got fired. Yeah,

1339
01:21:32,399 --> 01:21:35,840
because yeah, you wanted to do the Kiss Reunion tour.

1340
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they So I'm sticking with I'm sticking with

1341
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:39,960
ninety four.

1342
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 1: Well no, no, because that Kiss Reunion tour didn't happen

1343
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:44,960
till ninety six.

1344
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,399
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I had just recorded the Pissed album, which

1345
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,520
was recorded in Los Angeles in March of nineteen ninety four.

1346
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,199
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, so you got the call when Sebastia

1347
01:21:56,279 --> 01:21:56,760
was still in the.

1348
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 3: Band after Well, it's much, it's probably it's probably in

1349
01:22:01,279 --> 01:22:03,880
the middle of ninety four. I don't think our tour

1350
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,600
it started, but somewhere in between, I'm saying ninety somewhere

1351
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,880
between early ninety five and ninety four, let's call middle

1352
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:17,880
mid to late ninety It doesn't matter. Well, it doesn't really.

1353
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,279
Speaker 1: Match, no, Jason, it actually really does.

1354
01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: As far as to me, because I'm not I'm not involved.

1355
01:22:25,039 --> 01:22:27,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I just want to because as far

1356
01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:30,079
as timeline goes, because being the Kiss TRD, that I am,

1357
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,920
well that Hold on the Kiss tour was in ninety.

1358
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 3: Five's what's important to me and the answer to some

1359
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:43,520
questionnaires here is the fact that that snake called me

1360
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:48,359
to offer me an audition for skid Row and Funny.

1361
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,960
Two weeks later, same as Pantera, he called me again,

1362
01:22:52,119 --> 01:22:55,119
are you sure? And I said, and I told him

1363
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:58,119
the same thing. I go, Look, you know, we still

1364
01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:00,439
trying to keep the toys together. We just recorded a

1365
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,119
new studio record. We're in between things. It's you know,

1366
01:23:04,199 --> 01:23:05,600
I want to sing my songs.

1367
01:23:06,399 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.

1368
01:23:07,119 --> 01:23:09,039
Speaker 3: I wrote songs. I write song. I want to sing

1369
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:12,920
my song. Yeah, you know. Was deep down part of

1370
01:23:13,039 --> 01:23:17,239
the reason why I have any Thank you very much.

1371
01:23:17,399 --> 01:23:20,640
I'm honored, but I can't do it because I've got

1372
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:23,600
I want to sing these songs. Who's going to sing

1373
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,560
Who's going to sing these songs? If I don't sing them,

1374
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,960
I don't want someone else singing them. I want to

1375
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,079
sing them. So there was a little bit of that

1376
01:23:32,079 --> 01:23:36,279
with the Watchtower thing. You know, I didn't write those lyrics.

1377
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,960
I wrote all those melody lines and all those old

1378
01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:42,800
Watchtower songs on the first two records, even well ninety

1379
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,159
percent of the second record. But the point is the point,

1380
01:23:46,279 --> 01:23:49,479
the bulk of it. That's that's my influence on Watchtower.

1381
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,479
When I left the band, it's like, I want to

1382
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,239
write lyrics. I want to write songs that d d

1383
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:57,079
d da dah. This was part of a reason I

1384
01:23:57,159 --> 01:24:00,880
could go. And there's a bag of money. And you know,

1385
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,439
when you're a kid, yeah, got shit in your early twenties,

1386
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,600
you don't want to flip Burger's or go to college,

1387
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,760
kind of gotta do what you gotta do. It was

1388
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:13,560
all of these different little things that were building up

1389
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,000
that could have been helping me make that decision. And

1390
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no regrets, right right, no regrets. So yeah, it's been

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01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:29,680
a wild, a wild, wild wild world. I'll always remember

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01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:30,960
you with just a smile.

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Speaker 1: Girl, I love it. Dude, simple man, you gotta record,

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01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:36,319
simple Man.

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01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:39,319
Speaker 3: Who did you play with Leonard Skinner?

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01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:41,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cover?

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01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 3: So the guy that produced the Pissed album from the

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01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,920
Dangerous Toys Pissed album from nineteen ninety four. His name

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01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:50,720
is Billy Sherwood. Do you know who that is?

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01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,359
Speaker 1: I know Billy Sherwood.

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01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:57,159
Speaker 3: Yes, Billy Sherwood was or is in the band in

1404
01:24:57,279 --> 01:24:58,279
the Prog band.

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01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,399
Speaker 1: Yes, and he's a this guy now, and I read

1406
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,680
the grocery like a month ago.

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01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 3: Tell him. I said, hello, I will. I love that

1408
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,800
dude so much. That's him playing that on Simple Man.

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01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:15,119
That's him playing drums, guitar, bass, that's him playing it all.

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01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:16,119
Speaker 1: Wow.

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01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 3: So he called me, go, hey man, I'm doing some

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01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,119
side gig for Cleopatra or whatever label that was that

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01:25:22,319 --> 01:25:25,079
was doing that that stuff. And you know, I got

1414
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:27,000
a few hundred bucks for you to just cut some

1415
01:25:27,119 --> 01:25:29,000
vocals and said, you know, I did a couple of them.

1416
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:31,800
I did Tush, I did Simple Man. I think it

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01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,520
was for the same company and it was Billy Sherwood. Yeah.

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01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,640
He he produced the the third studio record, Dangerous Toys.

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01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: Such a Small World Dude, Oh yeah, oh yeah.

1420
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,319
Speaker 3: And then he put me on the guest list when

1421
01:25:44,359 --> 01:25:47,600
I went and saw Yes and Austin. Years later, when

1422
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:56,039
he was he either replaced Trevor Raven on guitar or

1423
01:25:56,199 --> 01:26:00,720
Chris Squire on bass because he's done both. Replace Yeah,

1424
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,479
you replaced Trevor Raven on guitar and Yes, and then

1425
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,760
years later he replaced Chris Quiet.

1426
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:13,520
Speaker 3: So let me just say, you gotta be the baddest

1428
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:19,239
motherfucker at the grocery store. If you can say, yeah,

1429
01:26:19,239 --> 01:26:23,399
I've replaced two different members of Yes, that's just I

1430
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,840
just knew I didn't not at the same time, not

1431
01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:28,079
at the same time.

1432
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,039
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's wild.

1433
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,039
Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of those I love those cover

1434
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:40,880
songs for tribute albums. It's just you know, grocery money.

1435
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, And I'm just leave you with this.

1436
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:50,920
And we didn't even dive into Oh dude, there's so much. Well,

1437
01:26:51,239 --> 01:26:53,159
we're gonna we're gonna save this for a second, but

1438
01:26:53,239 --> 01:26:55,319
we're gonna. I'm gonna have you back, Okay, if you

1439
01:26:55,359 --> 01:26:56,439
would like to come back.

1440
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:57,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.

1441
01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: According to Wikipedia in twenty twenty six, there are two

1442
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:10,000
Dangerous Toys records coming. Is this true? And is this true?

1443
01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:16,520
Speaker 3: I don't believe it myself. I don't believe it. You

1444
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:23,159
want it, yeah, So I'll start on the I'll start

1445
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:27,479
on the current end of it. Dangerous Toys doesn't have

1446
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:33,199
quite enough material yet. I'll throw nets. I'll throw nets

1447
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:36,720
here and there to catch the believers who just want

1448
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:41,359
to drink the kool aid. No matter what, we don't

1449
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:45,319
have enough new material to call it a full album yet.

1450
01:27:47,359 --> 01:27:49,279
But we do have some new songs. As you know,

1451
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,279
we've been playing a couple of great new Dangerous Toys

1452
01:27:52,359 --> 01:27:55,319
songs on the past few cruises and whenever we play out.

1453
01:27:55,479 --> 01:28:00,680
And those songs are Hangman Boogie and Whole Your Horses,

1454
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,239
and they are strong and they sound like Dangerous fucking

1455
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:07,520
Toys and we are proud of those. So we've raised

1456
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,840
the bar on those writing those two tunes in our

1457
01:28:12,079 --> 01:28:15,000
age age group now, which I just call long in

1458
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:16,960
the tooth, right, I love it?

1459
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:18,199
Speaker 1: Uh so?

1460
01:28:19,399 --> 01:28:25,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe on the brand new material release. I fuck yes,

1461
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:29,560
because I was fully on, fully invested and involved in

1462
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:37,319
the producing and making an archival discovery of a Dangerous

1463
01:28:37,399 --> 01:28:49,600
Toys rejected demo recordings songs album. Oh yeah, rejected material.

1464
01:28:50,079 --> 01:28:50,600
Speaker 1: I love it.

1465
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we have an album, we have the album cover,

1466
01:28:54,199 --> 01:29:00,399
are done everything. I'm looking at late January pop possibly

1467
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:05,600
as some sort of announcement of release date. Okay, ten

1468
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:14,960
songs I can give some titles please, Rhapsody and barbed Wire,

1469
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,920
Total Dangerous Toys, absolutely Shot to Hell This which was

1470
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,119
written way before Zach Wilde had a Shot to Hell

1471
01:29:24,199 --> 01:29:28,159
with Black label. But you know it was rejected. It

1472
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:31,800
never came out. Let's see what's another one? Oh, here's

1473
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:37,880
one your sista, Yes, sista, I love it. That's a

1474
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:38,560
song title.

1475
01:29:39,079 --> 01:29:39,520
Speaker 1: I love it.

1476
01:29:40,319 --> 01:29:47,159
Speaker 3: Uh burning Bridges. Uh no, it shows a softer side

1477
01:29:47,279 --> 01:29:52,760
to the band. Uh yeah, I don't. I don't have

1478
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:54,760
any care. I don't have anything to go on that.

1479
01:29:55,039 --> 01:29:56,279
That must be an inside joke.

1480
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: Well, they had a song called Burning Bridges on their

1481
01:29:59,199 --> 01:29:59,800
first record.

1482
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 3: Didn't know that. I'm innocent, let's see. Uh anyway, ten

1483
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:17,840
tense oh uh? Backstreet Girl, rock Shock Cowboy Uh uh

1484
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:19,560
come out swinging.

1485
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: That's very dangerous toys.

1486
01:30:23,119 --> 01:30:28,079
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but it's not what you think. It's very

1487
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:33,680
uh brotherly, it's very tribal. It's not necessarily about, you know,

1488
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:34,760
related to sport and a.

1489
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,079
Speaker 1: Witty Okay, and so I'm assuming that all these songs

1490
01:30:38,119 --> 01:30:41,000
are being or have been re recorded.

1491
01:30:41,399 --> 01:30:47,279
Speaker 3: No, no, these are demo. These are old. During the act, Jason,

1492
01:30:47,359 --> 01:30:50,880
what did you do during COVID? I digitized a ship

1493
01:30:51,039 --> 01:30:55,640
ton of old cassette four track and eight track maybe

1494
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:02,680
recordings of old never recorded proffessally dangerous toys demos.

1495
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: Dude. That's great.

1496
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and you know what, it was really fun

1497
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:13,199
putting this compilation of rejects together. The record is called

1498
01:31:13,359 --> 01:31:14,560
Demo Lition.

1499
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:16,359
Speaker 1: Smart.

1500
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,640
Speaker 3: I like it. You gotta call it something catchy it works,

1501
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:25,600
or demolition demolition right, and it's a I'll tell you

1502
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:29,199
it's the clown with a giant hammer smashing a giant

1503
01:31:29,279 --> 01:31:30,600
oversized cassette tape.

1504
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:35,359
Speaker 1: It's fucking awesome, perfect, absolutely perfect, dude.

1505
01:31:36,039 --> 01:31:40,359
Speaker 3: Claudio Claudio Bergermann did the art, he did Judas Priest, Firepower.

1506
01:31:41,039 --> 01:31:45,319
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, He's a king, brother. I appreciate this. I'm

1507
01:31:45,319 --> 01:31:47,159
gonna hit my ultro music just so I know I

1508
01:31:47,279 --> 01:31:50,800
have my cue, and I think you will appreciate the

1509
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,199
ultra music if you ever hear it. It is the

1510
01:31:54,279 --> 01:31:58,720
live ending from nineteen eighty four is animlyzed live on

1511
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:05,640
censer of Black Diving, Jason McMaster, Dangerous Toys and every dude.

1512
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,159
We didn't even touch on the on the bands that

1513
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:09,520
you fucking jumped in on.

1514
01:32:10,199 --> 01:32:12,079
Speaker 3: I told you about it. I told you about a

1515
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:16,479
new one. Yes you did Night Night Terror, Night Terror, Yes,

1516
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:16,960
go get it.

1517
01:32:17,079 --> 01:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Can't to accept you didn't jump into right, we didn't

1518
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:20,439
jump into any of that.

1519
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,119
Speaker 3: Deep into the arts, Armored Saint and except I was

1520
01:32:25,159 --> 01:32:28,239
a band aid'.

1521
01:32:27,039 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: You're liking the bull deck and we'll dive into that.

1522
01:32:30,079 --> 01:32:33,720
So when when this demolition is ready to come out

1523
01:32:34,039 --> 01:32:37,119
or when you announce it, we'll have you back on okay,

1524
01:32:37,159 --> 01:32:39,279
and then well then we'll dive deep into the toys,

1525
01:32:39,319 --> 01:32:41,720
we'll dive into this other stuff. Jason. If people want

1526
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,000
to find you, where can they find you? And where

1527
01:32:44,039 --> 01:32:45,079
can they fight? All your stuff?

1528
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,199
Speaker 3: Well, it's not all updated at Jason McMaster dot net.

1529
01:32:50,399 --> 01:32:54,000
But I'm easy to find. You can google me, you

1530
01:32:54,199 --> 01:32:58,039
can go to your socials. I'm pretty much all over

1531
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:02,800
the place. Uh. I'm not very good at social media.

1532
01:33:04,039 --> 01:33:09,399
I pride myself in that. But you know, my stuff

1533
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,640
is out there. There's a shit ton of it listed

1534
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,640
on my website. Probably a good place to start, Jason

1535
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:24,479
McMaster dot net. I am fronting the forty three year

1536
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:29,319
old version of San Antonio Slayer. Their singer passed away

1537
01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:32,880
in six There used to be two bands called Slayer,

1538
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,600
so san Antonio Slayer, Uh, they're my some of my

1539
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:41,520
oldest friends, Watchtower and and Slayer. San Antonio Slayer used

1540
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:46,920
to play shows together all the time before the other

1541
01:33:47,039 --> 01:33:50,720
Slayer was like, hey dude, we're called Slayer too. Okay,

1542
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,760
y'all can have it. And then San Antonio Slayer, the

1543
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,880
bass players in Riot, the drummers in Sacred Reich. He

1544
01:33:59,039 --> 01:34:03,239
was in Machine Head for twenty three years, so obviously

1545
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:07,319
everybody got real bit. Ronjar Zombek, who plays in Watchtower

1546
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:11,880
since eighty seven, is from SA Slayer. See what I

1547
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:16,399
mean By the way. Ronjar Zombik was Marty Friedman's touring

1548
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:20,000
guitar player, second guitar. That'll tell you how good Ron jars.

1549
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1550
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,520
Speaker 3: So everybody just check it out out Saslayer dot com,

1551
01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:30,880
Watchtower band dot com, Jason McMaster dot net. That's plenty.

1552
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 1: And uh, don't forget about Talk Louder Talklouder podcast dot com,

1553
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,840
Broken Teeth dot com.

1554
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:46,079
Speaker 3: See we have hours, we use things to talk about.

1555
01:34:46,399 --> 01:34:51,079
Speaker 1: It has been an honor, it really has. I'm proud

1556
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,680
to call you a friend and I'm proud of job.

1557
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:58,399
Finally welcome you to another fucking podcast. Uh you guys

1558
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:01,159
know the drill hit up ball his socials, hit up

1559
01:35:01,239 --> 01:35:05,560
my socials, Real, Izzie Presley, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook show page,

1560
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,640
another refor podcast, and of course, most importantly, the fucking

1561
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,960
Patreon real is he Presley on page part It's only

1562
01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:14,760
five dollars a month it's less than your cup of coffee,

1563
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,119
and you can get every fucking day. And then, uh,

1564
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:20,479
you guys will be on the Monster's of Rock Cruise

1565
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:20,920
next year.

1566
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:22,199
Speaker 3: That is correct.

1567
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:25,079
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna now that I know you're a bass player,

1568
01:35:25,119 --> 01:35:27,600
I'm gonna tap you because I do that cruiser jam.

1569
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,720
We have artists and cruisers playing together. I think we're

1570
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,920
gonna get you up to play some bass. I think

1571
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,720
we're gonna have to be a glorious idea. We'll talk

1572
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,920
about that, Ladies and gentlemen. Is Presley dot com. Everything

1573
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,800
is right there, and don't forget the show's another referent podcast.

1574
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,680
My name is Izzy Presley. When I lack in talent,

1575
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:49,079
I make up for the cock.

1576
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:54,560
Speaker 3: Is that true?

1577
01:35:56,039 --> 01:35:56,520
Speaker 1: Not really