Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
Speaker 1: where we left off with Leslie Groffs transcript from her
Speaker 1: visit to Congress. Question I'd like to ask you some
Speaker 1: questions about Glenne Maxwell. What was your understanding of her
Speaker 1: relationship with mister Epstein. Answer? I thought they were dear
Speaker 1: friends who had known each other for quite a long
Speaker 1: time before I arrived there at the office, and I
Speaker 1: believe that he that she was his office manager. Question,
Speaker 1: So it was your understanding that she worked for mister
Speaker 1: Epstein in addition to being his friend. Correct answer correct question.
Speaker 1: Do you know what mister Epstein paid Miss Maxwell while
Speaker 1: she worked there? Answer no question. Do you know when
Speaker 1: Miss Maxwell stopped working for mister Epstein? Answer I don't
Speaker 1: know when she truly stopped, but I think it was
Speaker 1: around twenty ten, twenty eleven something like that. Question was
Speaker 1: miss Maxwell you're a supervisor at any point? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Were you ever aware of Miss Maxwell soliciting minor girls
Speaker 1: to massage mister Epstein? Answer no question. There have been
Speaker 1: reports that Miss Maxwell would say things like quote, I've
Speaker 1: got to go get girls for Jeffrey, did you ever
Speaker 1: hear him say anything like that? Answer no question. Did
Speaker 1: miss Maxwell ever instruct you to solicit minor girls to
Speaker 1: massage Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no question. Did miss Maxwell ever
Speaker 1: instruct you to contact a specific person, a girl or
Speaker 1: a woman to massage mister Epstein? Answer no question. Do
Speaker 1: you believe that miss Maxwell should be pardoned for her crimes? Answer?
Speaker 1: Knowing what I know now? Question yes, answer no question.
Speaker 1: I think mister Bell has some questions. Mister Bell, question,
Speaker 1: good afternoon. I have a few questions. First, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about surveillance cameras in the Epstein homes. Were
Speaker 1: you aware of surveillance cameras in his New York residence?
Speaker 1: In mister Epstein's New York residence, Miss Groft, I knew
Speaker 1: that there were cameras that looked out onto seventy first Street,
Speaker 1: mister Bell, So that would be a yes, mister Graff,
Speaker 1: mis Groff yes. Question. What about in his pom Beach home?
Speaker 1: Miss Groff? No, And to that, her lawyer Bockner jumps in, no,
Speaker 1: you're not aware or no, they didn't exist. Graff, I'm
Speaker 1: not aware that they existed, Belle. Do you know where
Speaker 1: the recordings from any of those cameras were stored Graff,
Speaker 1: No Bell, And do you know who has those recordings
Speaker 1: as of today? Graff? No question. Did you have any
Speaker 1: kind of warning or advance knowledge that the Palm Beach
Speaker 1: Police Department was going to search mister Epstein's home and
Speaker 1: Palm Beach in two thousand and five? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did you remove any photographs from his home? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Cameras answer no question, files, answer no question, hard drives
Speaker 1: answer no question, or other documentary or electronic material from
Speaker 1: his home it advanced that search, Miss Groff, No question.
Speaker 1: Did you instruct anyone to do so? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Are you aware of anyone removing such items from the
Speaker 1: home before the search? Ms? Groff? No question? To your knowledge,
Speaker 1: did mister Epstein ever hire private investigators? Miss Groff? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Question. Are you aware now that he hired
Speaker 1: private investigators? Miss Groff? After preparing for this testimony? I
Speaker 1: heard someone say that he yet hired. Mister Bell cuts
Speaker 1: her off. So you're aware now, Miss Groff? Aware? Now? Yes? Question.
Speaker 1: What was your understanding of why mister Epstein hired private investigators?
Speaker 1: Miss Groff? I didn't know that he hired private investigators.
Speaker 1: Mister Bell, what's your understanding now of why mister Epstein
Speaker 1: hired private investigators? Answer? I don't know. Question are you
Speaker 1: aware to your understanding? Are you aware of what mister
Speaker 1: Epstein instructed them to do? Miss Groff? No question. Did
Speaker 1: you have any role in hiring, overseeing, or paying private
Speaker 1: investigators on mister Epstein's behalf at any time? Ms? Groff?
Speaker 1: No question. Did you have any kind of warning or
Speaker 1: advance knowledge that the FBI was going to search mister
Speaker 1: Epstein's home in New York City on July sixth and seventh,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Miss Graff, no question. Did you ever remove
Speaker 1: any photographs from that home? Miss Groff, No question. Cameras
Speaker 1: answer no, files answer no, hard drives answer no, or
Speaker 1: other documentary electronic material from his home it advanced that search?
Speaker 1: Answer no question. Did you instruct anyone to do so?
Speaker 1: Answer no question. Are you aware of anyone removing such
Speaker 1: items from the home prior to the search? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did you have any kind of warning or advance knowledge
Speaker 1: that the FBI was going to raid mister Epstein's island
Speaker 1: Little Saint James on August twelfth, twenty nineteen, answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did you remove any photographs from Epstein's island Little Saint
Speaker 1: James answer no, Files answer no, Any cameras answer no,
Speaker 1: Any our drives answer no. Any other documentary or electronic
Speaker 1: material from his home in advance of that search answer
Speaker 1: no question. Did you instruct anyone to do so? Answer
Speaker 1: no question. Are you aware of anyone removing such items
Speaker 1: from the island before the raid? Answer no question. I
Speaker 1: think that's all I have now. It's Representative Walkinshaw doing
Speaker 1: the questioning. Thank you, miss Groff. In January of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, President Trump posted on truth Social I was
Speaker 1: never on Epstein's plane or at a stupid island. On
Speaker 1: December twenty third, twenty twenty five, the DOJ released a
Speaker 1: January twenty twenty internal email from an assistant US attorney
Speaker 1: in the Southern District of New York, reported on by
Speaker 1: multiple outlets, and the email reads, for your situational awareness,
Speaker 1: I wanted to let you know that the flight records
Speaker 1: we received yesterday reflect that Donald Trump on Epstein's private
Speaker 1: jet many more times than previously has been reported, or
Speaker 1: that we were aware, including during the period we would
Speaker 1: expect to charge in the Maxwell case. Yikes, not good
Speaker 1: for Trump, right? Why are you lying about being on
Speaker 1: the plane? Bro In particular, he listed as a passenger
Speaker 1: on at least eight flights from between nineteen ninety two
Speaker 1: and nineteen ninety six, including at least four flights on
Speaker 1: which Maxwell was also present. Miss Groff, Obviously, the flight
Speaker 1: records described pre date your employment with mister Epstein, but
Speaker 1: I want to focus on the time that you were
Speaker 1: working for him February two thousand and one and onward.
Speaker 1: During your tenure working for mister Epstein, did you ever arrange, confirm,
Speaker 1: or log any travel for mister Trump or his family
Speaker 1: Groff No Walkinshaw. Anyone identifying themselves as acting on his
Speaker 1: behalf a board any of the aircraft that belonged to
Speaker 1: mister Epstein Graff no Walkinshaw. Or you ever instructed by
Speaker 1: mister Eppstein or anyone else to handle any Trump related
Speaker 1: travel or correspondence through any channel other than your normal
Speaker 1: scheduling procedures. Graff no Walkinshaw. Okay. Were you aware at
Speaker 1: any point during or after your employment that mister Trump's
Speaker 1: Marra a Lago club had been subpoenaed in the Maxwell case?
Speaker 1: Graff no. Walkinshaw. Did you ever communicate directly or indirectly
Speaker 1: with anyone at Marra a Lago in connection with any
Speaker 1: law enforcement or a grand jury inquiry into either mister
Speaker 1: Epstein or Miss Maxwell's conduct. Miss Groff no, Walkinshaw, Okay,
Speaker 1: switching gears. During your time of employment with mister Epstein,
Speaker 1: were you aware of Virginia Roberts at the time known
Speaker 1: as Virginia Roberts had been recruited for mar A Lago
Speaker 1: and Epstein's orbit in or around the summer of two thousand,
Speaker 1: Miss Groff no, Walkinshaw. Did you ever arrange travel, scheduling
Speaker 1: or compensation for Miss Roberts in your capacity as mister
Speaker 1: Epstein's assistant, Graf, I don't recall, Walkinshaw. Did you have
Speaker 1: any knowledge or awareness of any meeting between mister Ebstein
Speaker 1: and Miss Roberts at the time, Graf? Did I coordinate
Speaker 1: a meeting? Answer or did you have any knowledge of
Speaker 1: any meetings? Graf? It's possible. I don't know. It was
Speaker 1: a really long time ago, but it's possible, Walkinshaw. So
Speaker 1: it's possible that you had knowledge of those meetings, Grof. Well,
Speaker 1: if I was directed to make an appointment it's possible,
Speaker 1: but Palm Beach was not really my area of where
Speaker 1: I was booking appointments. Lock Inshaw. Okay. So it's possible
Speaker 1: that you arranged scheduling related to Miss Roberts' role, which
Speaker 1: you believed was as mister Ebstein one of his assistants.
Speaker 1: You might have Grof didn't know what her position was.
Speaker 1: Lock Inshaw, But it's possible you scheduled meetings gets cut
Speaker 1: off by Groff an appointment. It's possible, lock in Shaw, Okay.
Speaker 1: Did you arrange or is it possible that you arranged
Speaker 1: any travel or a compensation for Miss Roberts during that
Speaker 1: time period? Graf, I don't recall. I don't know Walkinshaw. Okay.
Speaker 1: And did you have any awareness of travel or a
Speaker 1: compensation being arranged to Miss Roberts? Groff, No, I don't
Speaker 1: recall Walkinshaw. Okay, thank you. That's all I have. Next up,
Speaker 1: Miss Taled, do I get recognized or just go go ahead? Taled?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Do you have something to say? Groff? No? Question? Okay?
Speaker 1: Where were you based primarily? Miss Groff? I was based
Speaker 1: in New York? Question New York? Okay? Did you do
Speaker 1: travel for him? I know you probably got asked this before.
Speaker 1: Did you book travel for him? Groff? I did book
Speaker 1: some travel for him? Question even for his guests? Answer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for his guests as well as him. Question was President
Speaker 1: Trump any of his guests that you booked travel for? Answer?
Speaker 1: I never booked travel for mister Trump. Question but he
Speaker 1: was never He was never one of the guests that
Speaker 1: you book travel for Groff. Correct question. Okay, what did
Speaker 1: you receive from the Epstein of State? I know you
Speaker 1: sued them. You sued the Epstein of State. How much
Speaker 1: money did you receive from them? Mister Whitcomb, Just for clarity,
Speaker 1: she never sued them. Question Okay, you all sued, Witcomb,
Speaker 1: we made no We made a claim, but we didn't
Speaker 1: commence a lawsuit. Question okay, Oh, you settled out of court,
Speaker 1: wouldcom correct to lib? Okay, for the record, he pointed
Speaker 1: that you settled out of court. You did get something.
Speaker 1: Are you allowed to tell us how much you got
Speaker 1: through that settlement? Witcomb? Yes, yes, I think several hundred
Speaker 1: thousand to lib. Okay, you don't have the exact number,
Speaker 1: so two hundred thousand, Witcomb, three hundred thousand to lib
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand would come approximately for legal for reimbursement
Speaker 1: of legal fees. Question Okay, did you ever witness women crying?
Speaker 1: Answer no question coming out of because you said you
Speaker 1: bood massages forum, right Groff? Early in my employment, yes,
Speaker 1: question Yes, when you booked the massages, you had to
Speaker 1: call the women and arrange it, Groff, As directed by
Speaker 1: mister Epstein. He would tell me you would oh, yes,
Speaker 1: question and you call them answer yes, question. You had
Speaker 1: all their numbers everything, right Groff. He would sometimes provide
Speaker 1: a number. Question yeah, answer and the name. And you
Speaker 1: never saw any of them come out crying. Question Answer,
Speaker 1: I didn't work at his home, okay. Question answer I
Speaker 1: only worked at Helmsley Palace. Question any of them you
Speaker 1: called them? Said no, I don't want to come. Answer
Speaker 1: no question okay. And you don't know how old the
Speaker 1: youngest was that you booked a massage for. Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did they even sound young on the phone? Answer, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Question Okay, you don't know. Okay. You said
Speaker 1: you arrange travel for his guests. Were any of them
Speaker 1: women that you booked massages for? Answer no question Okay.
Speaker 1: During the time that you worked for mister Epstein, what
Speaker 1: was your understanding of his relationship with President Trump. Groff,
Speaker 1: I just merely would connect mister Epstein with mister Trump
Speaker 1: gets cut off by talib by phone Groff on the
Speaker 1: phone on the phone, that was it. Question Did the
Speaker 1: relationship change over time? Answer? Over time? There were no
Speaker 1: more phone calls to mister Trump. Question okay, was mister
Speaker 1: Trump calling mister Epstein and then mister Epstein telling you
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to him? Answer? I don't
Speaker 1: recall no that no question. No, okay. What was your
Speaker 1: understanding of why their relationship ended? Groff? At the time,
Speaker 1: I did not know why their relationship ended? Question okay,
Speaker 1: have you ever met President Trump? Answer? No question okay?
Speaker 1: Or has President Trump ever discussed mister Epstein with you
Speaker 1: when you called? Answer? No question? Okay, did mister Epstein
Speaker 1: ever discuss President Trump with you at all? Answer? No question.
Speaker 1: Never mentioned, just said, hey, can you get through on
Speaker 1: the phone for him? Answer correct question. It was just
Speaker 1: like get them on the phone for me. Answer correct question.
Speaker 1: Was it a number of times per day? Was it
Speaker 1: more than one year? Then the other? Answer? No question? Okay,
Speaker 1: answer it was sporadic every so often? Question every week,
Speaker 1: every month? Question I wouldn't say, no, question every month
Speaker 1: Groff answer maybe once a quarter. I don't know. To Lib,
Speaker 1: you don't know, Grof, I don't know. To Lib. Did
Speaker 1: mister Epstein ever discuss President Trump with you? Answer? No question? Okay?
Speaker 1: Did Maxwell ever have access to any of mister Epstein's
Speaker 1: bank accounts or any financial accounts? Graf, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Question did miss Maxwell ask you to arrange travel for
Speaker 1: any of his guests? Answer? I don't know. Question for
Speaker 1: any young women? Answer no question? Okay? Could you please
Speaker 1: describe any accounts that miss Maxwell had access to? Miss Groff,
Speaker 1: I don't know what accounts she had access to? Question
Speaker 1: any financial accounts? Answer? I don't know. Question okay? Would
Speaker 1: anything involve visas that you had to deal with like
Speaker 1: applying for visas for travel? Groff? The only visas that
Speaker 1: I helped apply for were mister Epstein's twice, once for Russia,
Speaker 1: once for Japan. Sure about that? Answer? Yes, question you're positive?
Speaker 1: Answer I never applied for a visa for anyone else?
Speaker 1: Answer or question? And you never arranged any travel for
Speaker 1: any of his other guests? Answer? While I arrange travel
Speaker 1: for his guests, question, and that was all domestic travel? Graf?
Speaker 1: No question? Did you ever have to apply for visas
Speaker 1: for any of his guests. Answer, I did not apply
Speaker 1: for visas. Question What I mean by that is you
Speaker 1: submitted the documents or you gave the documents to the
Speaker 1: guests and have them like tell them you have to
Speaker 1: do this or whatever to get the visa. No, Graff, no, never,
Speaker 1: question to come to the United States. Groff, correct, I
Speaker 1: never supplied anyone with visa documents to fill out. Question
Speaker 1: when all of this obviously slowly came out, have you
Speaker 1: seen photos and images and testimony from some of the
Speaker 1: survivors of Epstein Graf? I've seen some of it. Question
Speaker 1: did you recognize any of them? This is my last question?
Speaker 1: Did you recognize any of them? Groff? Yes, yes, mister Gross, yes,
Speaker 1: mister Leid. Did you any of the women? Did you
Speaker 1: have to arrange massages for him with them? Witcom? Just
Speaker 1: objection of form, she said, one woman she recognized so far.
Speaker 1: Question one woman. Answer by Witcomb Sarah Kellen. Question did
Speaker 1: you arrange did she arrange massages? Did you arrange massages
Speaker 1: for him mister Epstein with her? Graf? No question? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it, Thank you. All right, folks, We're going to
Speaker 1: wrap up right here, and in the next episode, we're
Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off. All the
Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off with the Leslie
Speaker 1: Groff interview with Congress question by mister Krishna Morphy. Now,
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm Rad Chrysner Morty from Illinois. Look, I
Speaker 1: presume that if Jeffrey Epstein ever asked you to arrange
Speaker 1: a massage with an underage person or a minor, you
Speaker 1: would have objected, right Ms Groff, Yes, question. And I
Speaker 1: also presume that if Epstein asked you to contact a
Speaker 1: minor or underage person to set up an appointment, you
Speaker 1: would have said something or objected right. Answer absolutely, chrysnal Morti. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me introduce you to Exhibit G. Can you please
Speaker 1: share that with miss Groff. I'll just show you a
Speaker 1: couple of emails that we found that have your name
Speaker 1: on them, and they're with a couple of different people.
Speaker 1: I'm going to direct your attention to the first page
Speaker 1: of the stack. It has debates number EFTA, and it
Speaker 1: ends with it's our one zero zero seven four four
Speaker 1: two seven zero, and it says from Leslie Groff to redacted, Hello, redacted,
Speaker 1: hope you're having a nice weekend. Jeffrey will be in
Speaker 1: town on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and would like to
Speaker 1: see you. Might you have some time, please let me know, Leslie. Question.
Speaker 1: You see that right at the bottom of the chain. Graf,
Speaker 1: Uh huh question Okay, and then redacted responds, dear Leslie,
Speaker 1: thank you for your email. What about tomorrow evening? Would
Speaker 1: you have some time? You see that email, right, Graf, Yes, question,
Speaker 1: and then you respond, Actually, Tuesday evening work for you
Speaker 1: anytime after six pm? You see that email, right, Graf,
Speaker 1: I do question. And then the last email in the
Speaker 1: chain Tuesday, I'm at school till ten pm. We have
Speaker 1: orchestral rehearsal for the concert on Friday. Now, at that
Speaker 1: moment when you receive that email, did you believe that
Speaker 1: this person was not an underage person or a minor? Graf.
Speaker 1: I would not have suspected at all that this would
Speaker 1: be an underage person or a minor. Krishna Morthy. So
Speaker 1: it's your testimony today that you would have not suspected
Speaker 1: that this person is an underage person or a minor
Speaker 1: when that person responds that they have orchestral rehearsal in
Speaker 1: the evening, in your response to your question about whether
Speaker 1: they're available. Right, that's your testimony, Graff, Yes, krystnal Morthy,
Speaker 1: And you're under oath. Graff yes. And look not for
Speaker 1: me to jump in here and give Epstein any kind
Speaker 1: of defense. But what if that woman that they're talking about,
Speaker 1: or a girl, was in college and she was of age. Now,
Speaker 1: look that doesn't matter if she was being abused, right,
Speaker 1: But we have to be particular and we have to
Speaker 1: make sure that we're using the right terminology and we're
Speaker 1: putting people in the right categories. Krishnal Morthy. Let me
Speaker 1: just turn your attention to another page in the document,
Speaker 1: which is another email. Okay, it has bait stamp. It's
Speaker 1: the third page in the stack EFTA underscore R one
Speaker 1: zero zero six' one five eight five. Eight do you see,
Speaker 1: that Miss? GRAFF i, Do Krystal. Morty, okay let me
Speaker 1: start this text this email chain. Again it, says and
Speaker 1: this is From, Monday. December i'm Sorry Sunday december, thirteenth
Speaker 1: at six oh five, pm twenty, fourteen twenty, Fifteen so
Speaker 1: fourteen years into your, Tenure, hi. Redacted jeffrey will be
Speaker 1: In New york this week and is asking if you
Speaker 1: could come see him On tuesday after work five. Thirty
Speaker 1: do you see? That Ms? Groff uh? Huh question? Okay
Speaker 1: redacted or? Response, Hello, LESLIE i have School, Monday tuesday
Speaker 1: And wednesday. Nights do you see? That you? Respond, uh,
Speaker 1: okay how about tomorrow? Day do you see? That? GRAFF
Speaker 1: i do? Questions Miss? Groff she, Says i'm working eight
Speaker 1: thirty to five thirty and school six to. Nine at
Speaker 1: that moment when you saw, that it's your testimony that
Speaker 1: you did not believe that this person was either underage
Speaker 1: or a. Minor correct Ms, groff correct question, okay and
Speaker 1: you respond you're a busy. Girl i'll Let jeffrey. Know.
Speaker 1: Thanks so it's your testimony that when you're sending out
Speaker 1: these emails and people respond to you that they're in
Speaker 1: school or that they have orchestra, rehearsal that you believe
Speaker 1: that they're not a minor or an underage. Person that
Speaker 1: is your, testimony, right Miss? Groff that is? Correct Krishnal,
Speaker 1: morty you're under, Oath Miss. Groff, yes that is, correct Chrysnal.
Speaker 1: Morthy you want us to believe, that after eighteen years
Speaker 1: working in the employ of Mister, epstein that not on
Speaker 1: one occasion did you believe that any of your contacts
Speaker 1: in setting up these appointments With Jeffrey epstein were with
Speaker 1: either a minor or an underage. Person, Correct Miss, Groff
Speaker 1: that is, correct Krishnal, Morthy and that we should believe
Speaker 1: that it was reasonable for you to think that none
Speaker 1: of these people were under, Age Miss. Groff that is,
Speaker 1: correct Krishnal. Morty, okay this strange, Credibility Miss, GROFF i yield. Back,
Speaker 1: Garcia thank, You Miss. GROFF i have a couple. QUESTIONS
Speaker 1: i just want to go back real briefly to something
Speaker 1: that my colleague just. Said so these conversations that he
Speaker 1: pointed out for these, emails they happened After epstein's. Conviction
Speaker 1: is that? Correct? Answer correct? Question so it never crossed
Speaker 1: your mind after a conviction of an obviously very horrific
Speaker 1: crime against an underage, woman that these interacts that you
Speaker 1: were having with other women that were talking about school
Speaker 1: orchestra practice never raised any concern to, you Ms. Groff, No,
Speaker 1: garcia so not once were you concerned after knowing That
Speaker 1: Jeffrey epstein was convicted of abuse of a, minor that
Speaker 1: you had any sort of concerns that you were having
Speaker 1: conversations with other women who were talking about school and orchestra.
Speaker 1: Practice is that? Correct is that your? Testimony Ms, groff
Speaker 1: that's my. TESTIMONY i never saw anything, Inappropriate Miss, witcombs
Speaker 1: she answered the question Ms. Groff, yes Mister, garcia you
Speaker 1: never saw, anything But jeffrey had been convicted already and
Speaker 1: you knew that, information, correct Ms, GROFF i did. Question,
Speaker 1: OKAY i just want to go back to something, Else thank, you,
Speaker 1: so Ms, GROFF i just want to go back to
Speaker 1: something that was asked. EARLIER i know you had mentioned
Speaker 1: that you had arranged multiple phone conversations With Donald, trump
Speaker 1: not the president yet of, course and Mister. Epstein and
Speaker 1: then just for the, record, again you did connect them
Speaker 1: by phone a few, times, correct Ms. Groff? Correct question
Speaker 1: was that more than five? Times more than ten? Times
Speaker 1: do you have any idea how many times you connected
Speaker 1: them by? Phone Ms. GROFF i don't know how OFTEN
Speaker 1: i connected. Them there would BE i, said once a,
Speaker 1: quarter maybe or. Twice If epstein was in town and
Speaker 1: he wanted to speak to Mister, trump it might take
Speaker 1: me four or five times to get the two of
Speaker 1: them on the. Phone BUT i don't know how often
Speaker 1: that really, occurred Miss. Garcia Mister, garcia and it's safe
Speaker 1: to say that you could have done it multiple times a, Year,
Speaker 1: graff yes, Question, okay so multiple times a year over
Speaker 1: a period of ten, Years Ms, Graff, YEAH i don't
Speaker 1: really recall when they stopped, Talking. Garcia and then did
Speaker 1: you also arrange any meetings between Mister epstein and Mister,
Speaker 1: trump separate of just phone? Calls Miss, groff it's. POSSIBLE
Speaker 1: i don't recall anything, offhand Mister, Garcia, okay but it's
Speaker 1: possible that you could have arranged. Meetings but you don't
Speaker 1: recall if there was a. Meeting did you arrange any
Speaker 1: services for Mister trump that Mister epstein was providing separate
Speaker 1: of a phone call or a? Meeting Ms, groff no.
Speaker 1: Question would you characterize our friendship as a? Friendship? ANSWER
Speaker 1: i really don't know what the relationship. WAS i didn't
Speaker 1: hear them. SPEAKING i don't, Know. Garcia Because epstein has
Speaker 1: characterized it as a. Friendship in, fact Mister epstein said
Speaker 1: that he considered them actually best friends for a period
Speaker 1: of ten. Years have you heard that in the media
Speaker 1: or anything else, before Ms, GROFF i have not. Questioned
Speaker 1: and Miss, groff, earlier when we ask you about Mister
Speaker 1: epstein's relationship With Les, wexner you were willing to provide
Speaker 1: your opinion that they were friends as well as business.
Speaker 1: Partners so to The congressman's, question how would you characterize
Speaker 1: a relationship of Mister trump And, epstein Ms, GROFF i,
Speaker 1: MEAN i suppose they were. FRIENDLY i don't know if
Speaker 1: they had any business going. On that wasn't something THAT i.
Speaker 1: Asked that's not SOMETHING i discussed with Mister epstein or Mister.
Speaker 1: Trump SO i don't really. Know it's possible that they were, Friendly,
Speaker 1: garcia even though you connected them multiple times a year
Speaker 1: by phone and pop meetings that you're not aware, of, Correct. Graf,
Speaker 1: YES i don't know what they discussed or what the
Speaker 1: meetings were. For it's possible they were. Friendly it's possible
Speaker 1: they spoke. BUSINESS i don't know what it's, About. Garcia
Speaker 1: did you ever see a photo of Mister epstein and
Speaker 1: Mister trump on Mister epstein's, Desk, GRAF i don't. Know.
Speaker 1: Question you don't BECAUSE i know you worked right outside
Speaker 1: of his, Office, GRAF i did. Question did you oftentimes
Speaker 1: go inside Mister epstein's, Office. GRAF i would go in
Speaker 1: his office after he would leave to pick up the
Speaker 1: garbage that he threw on the floor and put it
Speaker 1: in the trash. CAN i didn't go in there very, Often.
Speaker 1: Garcia but after working for him for eighteen, years in
Speaker 1: a different period of, time in different, locations you don't
Speaker 1: recall what photos may have been on his, Desk Miss,
Speaker 1: Groff it's been too long. AGO i don't. Know he
Speaker 1: did have photos of important people on his desk with
Speaker 1: them and important, people Mister, garcia but you never heard
Speaker 1: it reported that he had a. PHOTO i, mean it's
Speaker 1: been widely reported by every major news outlet that he
Speaker 1: had a photo Of President trump on his. DESK i
Speaker 1: know that you worked in his. Office you don't recall
Speaker 1: or never heard that there was a photo Of President
Speaker 1: trump on his. Desk. Groff it's very possible that there,
Speaker 1: was BUT i don't recall seeing an actual photo per
Speaker 1: se with Mister, Trump, garcia and don't recall hearing in
Speaker 1: the media apparently, Right Miss, GROFF i don't, question, okay,
Speaker 1: NO i appreciate. That are you familiar with the birthday
Speaker 1: book that was provided to Mister ebstein for his? Birthday
Speaker 1: that's been widely, Reported Miss. GROFF i am now after
Speaker 1: his death And i've heard about, That, Yes, garcia but
Speaker 1: during your, employment you were not involved or aware or
Speaker 1: made any sort of inquiries about the book at the
Speaker 1: time The Miss maxwell? Project is that? Correct? Groff? Correct
Speaker 1: from WHAT i? Understand question and you have no information
Speaker 1: about the book or its? Creation answer that is. Correct,
Speaker 1: question would it be possible at the Time Miss maxwell's
Speaker 1: assistant or anyone else you think could have been involved
Speaker 1: in the process of that book Besides Miss? Maxwell, GROFF
Speaker 1: i don't. Know it'sossible she could have had an assistant
Speaker 1: help her with, something BUT i don't. KNOW i wasn't
Speaker 1: involved in, that but it wouldn't be unlikely that someone
Speaker 1: might have been helping. Her question just last BEFORE i
Speaker 1: turn it, BACK i just want to go back BECAUSE
Speaker 1: i think it's an important point that's been brought. Up you,
Speaker 1: know it's difficult to understand how after knowing What Jeffrey
Speaker 1: epstein had done and up to a, minor that you
Speaker 1: would continue to set up appointments with other young, women
Speaker 1: other women to Mister, ebstein and not ever once doubt
Speaker 1: that there could be something happening in those. Moments you
Speaker 1: never thought that you completely regardless of what. Happened, Again
Speaker 1: i'll give you another opportunity to explain, it but you
Speaker 1: never once had any doubt that there could be something
Speaker 1: there happening to these, Women Miss. Groth at the, TIME
Speaker 1: i felt like everyone in the office he was lying.
Speaker 1: To and he was a very good buyer and a
Speaker 1: very good, manipulator and he brushed things under the. Rug
Speaker 1: he led me to believe that the accusations were. False
Speaker 1: and WHEN i looked around everybody who was so, smart
Speaker 1: all his business, associates all His garcia Continue, Groff, yeah
Speaker 1: all his associates remain friends with, them you, know kept
Speaker 1: meeting with, them et. Cetera, garcia Ms. Groff you also, admit,
Speaker 1: though that you know he pleaded, Guilty Miss. Groff, Yes,
Speaker 1: garcia so he pleaded, guilty that he was guilty of the.
Speaker 1: Crime yet you still didn't believe, That Plea. GROFF i
Speaker 1: believe that he was. Tricked it was Something it was
Speaker 1: not his. Fault it was tricked and it was a big. Scheme. Garcia,
Speaker 1: okay thank, you thank, You Miss. Groff we will stop
Speaker 1: here for. Clarity for the, record we had questions From
Speaker 1: Representative bell and Also Representative talib who did previously who
Speaker 1: didn't previously introduce themselves into the. Record, well now go
Speaker 1: off the, record all, Right so that means we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap up as, well and in the next episode dealing
Speaker 1: with the, topic we're gonna pick up where we left.
Speaker 1: Off all the information that goes with this episode can
Speaker 1: be found in the description Box, up, everyone and welcome
Speaker 1: to another episode of The Epstein. Chronicles in this, episode
Speaker 1: we're going to pick up where he left off With
Speaker 1: Leslie groff and her transcript from her meeting With. Congress
Speaker 1: and now it's Miss tolan asking the. Questions in our last,
Speaker 1: hour we talked a lot and we're getting into the
Speaker 1: details about scheduling all kinds of appointments for Mister. Epstein
Speaker 1: just a general. Question we mentioned the schedules and we
Speaker 1: reviewed the schedule as. Well but Mister epstein took multiple
Speaker 1: appointments a, day every single. Day is that? Correct? Answer correct?
Speaker 1: Question do you know why what the purpose had taken
Speaker 1: so many meetings was, ANSWER i don't know why he
Speaker 1: was a. Businessman question and NOW i would like to
Speaker 1: introduce Majority exhibit. Seven this is a compilation of some
Speaker 1: of those individual calendars that were sent from your email
Speaker 1: account To Jeffrey. Epstein there are examples that we received
Speaker 1: from the estate Of Jeffrey. Epstein the first. Calendar The
Speaker 1: bates number Is House oversight zero zero one one. Zero,
Speaker 1: OH i can give you a moment to. Review answer
Speaker 1: you want me to look at all of? Them? Question,
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm gonna ask you some questions about specific individuals
Speaker 1: on this, list but, again these are a representative of
Speaker 1: what a normal day in Mister epstein's life looked like
Speaker 1: and what you were responsible for. Scheduling. Answer, yeah, Question
Speaker 1: i'm gonna start on the first. Page i'm gonna work
Speaker 1: through a couple individuals on this list and ask you
Speaker 1: a set of questions for each. Individual i'm gonna start
Speaker 1: With Tom. Pritzker what did you understand his relationship With Jeffrey?
Speaker 1: Epstein to be, ANSWER i think he Knew Tom pritzker
Speaker 1: even before my. Time they were, friendly BUT i don't,
Speaker 1: know we didn't discuss. It question was he a frequent
Speaker 1: visitor of Mister. Epstein ANSWER i wouldn't say. FREQUENT i
Speaker 1: guess when he was in, town they'd get. Together question
Speaker 1: and what was the purpose of those? Meetings ANSWER i don't.
Speaker 1: Know question were you ever present in any of these?
Speaker 1: Meetings answer. No. Question did you ever overhear parts of
Speaker 1: the meetings or were you told about what was? Discussed answer.
Speaker 1: No my office was way in the front of the.
Speaker 1: House his meetings all occurred in the dining, room which
Speaker 1: was on the other side of the. HOUSE i was far.
Speaker 1: Away question and did you ever engage with Mister pritzker?
Speaker 1: Directly answer not THAT i. Recall Question i'm going to
Speaker 1: move next To Frederick forkai what did you understand his
Speaker 1: relationship with Mister epstein A B. ANSWER i guess they were.
Speaker 1: FRIENDLY i don't really. Know question and he was a
Speaker 1: frequent visitor of Mister. Epstein ANSWER i wouldn't say, frequently
Speaker 1: probably whenever he was in. Town same sort of, Thing
Speaker 1: answer and do you know the purpose of their? Meetings answer.
Speaker 1: No Question were you ever present in any of the?
Speaker 1: Meetings answer. No. Question did you ever overhear discussions from the?
Speaker 1: Meetings answer? No. Question did you ever interact or engage
Speaker 1: in conversation with Mister. Fokai answer, NO i don't THINK
Speaker 1: i ever met. Him question did you ever see any
Speaker 1: unusual or concerning activity taking place during his meetings with Mister?
Speaker 1: Epstein answer no. Question, Next i'm going to ask About Leon,
Speaker 1: black same set of. Questions what did you understand his
Speaker 1: relationship to be with Mister? Epstein? ANSWER i thought they
Speaker 1: had business. RELATIONSHIP i thought he was one Of epstein's.
Speaker 1: Clients question and was he a frequent visitor of Mister? Epstein?
Speaker 1: Answer leon was probably more. Frequent. Yes question was there
Speaker 1: any frequent basis with meetings with Mister epstein? Monthly? Weekly
Speaker 1: answer not? Weekly monthly? Probably question and what was the
Speaker 1: purpose of their? Meetings ANSWER i don't. Know question anything
Speaker 1: besides business as you? Mentioned, ANSWER i don't. KNOW i
Speaker 1: don't know what they were meeting. About question and were
Speaker 1: you ever present in any of these meetings with Mister?
Speaker 1: Black answer no. Question did you ever overhear discussions or
Speaker 1: were you told about conversations from any of these? Meetings
Speaker 1: answer no. Question did you ever speak or engage with
Speaker 1: Mister black? Directly answer no. Question did you ever see
Speaker 1: any unusual or concerning activity taking place during his meetings
Speaker 1: with Mister. Epstein answer no. Question were any young women
Speaker 1: or girls ever present for his meetings with Mister? Epstein?
Speaker 1: Answer some traveling assistants may have been around the house
Speaker 1: and brought in, coffee BUT i don't. KNOW i didn't
Speaker 1: sit in the, meeting SO i don't. Know Question, Next
Speaker 1: i'm going to turn To Larry. Summers what did you
Speaker 1: understand Mister summer's relationship with Mister epstein to? Be answer
Speaker 1: friendly question and the same lines of. Questioning was he
Speaker 1: a frequent visitor of Mister? Epstein ANSWER i wouldn't say. Frequent.
Speaker 1: Question do you know the purpose of his meetings with Mister?
Speaker 1: Epstein ANSWER i do. Not. Question and were you present
Speaker 1: for any of the? Meetings answer no? Question did you
Speaker 1: overhear any? Conversations answer no. Question and Now i'm going
Speaker 1: to ask about his name appears on page, two but
Speaker 1: it's just. Daily what did you understand his relationship to
Speaker 1: be with Mister? Epstein? ANSWER i thought that was. Business
Speaker 1: question do you know what kind of? Business? Answer, no,
Speaker 1: BANKING i don't. Know question was he a frequent visitor
Speaker 1: of Mister? Epstein? Answer when Mister epstein would be in,
Speaker 1: town they would probably get. TOGETHER i wouldn't say every
Speaker 1: time that Mister epstein was in, town But jess would come.
Speaker 1: By question do you know the purpose of his meetings
Speaker 1: with Mister? Epstein ANSWER i do. Not Question were you
Speaker 1: ever present for any of the meetings Between epstein And?
Speaker 1: Staley answer. No. Question did you ever overhear conversation or
Speaker 1: discussion about the meetings With? Staley answer. No. Question did
Speaker 1: you ever speak with or engage with Mister staley? Directly
Speaker 1: ANSWER i might have been passing said al to, him
Speaker 1: but we didn't engage in. Conversation question did you ever
Speaker 1: see any unusual or concerning activity take place during his
Speaker 1: meetings with Mister? Epstein answer. No Question were young women
Speaker 1: or girls present for the? Meetings answer? NO i MEAN
Speaker 1: i could be the same traveling assistance that brought in
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee or something like, that BUT i
Speaker 1: wasn't back. There question AND i think we're just going
Speaker 1: to go through another name to be name or so
Speaker 1: here on page. Three back of page, Three Bill gates is.
Speaker 1: Listed what was your understanding of Mister gates' relationship with Mister? Epstein?
Speaker 1: ANSWER i didn't know what their relationship. Was friendly is
Speaker 1: WHAT i. Assumed question was he a FREQUENT i know
Speaker 1: this is a meeting at a different, location but was
Speaker 1: he a frequent visitor of Mister? Epstein answer Mister epstein
Speaker 1: tended to go and meet Mister. Gates question? Elsewhere answer?
Speaker 1: Elsewhere he was like the one person that Mister epstein
Speaker 1: tended to go and, meet versus have him at his
Speaker 1: own question do you know? Why? ANSWER i. Don't question
Speaker 1: did Mister gates ever come To New york residents for? Meetings?
Speaker 1: ANSWER i don't. Know question do you know the purpose
Speaker 1: of their? Meetings answer no. Question were you ever present
Speaker 1: for any of the? Meetings answer no? Question did you
Speaker 1: ever overhear discussions about what went on in the? Meeting
Speaker 1: answer no. Question did you ever engage with Mister gates?
Speaker 1: Directly answer or no. Question do you know if young
Speaker 1: women or girls wherever present in their? Meetings answer no?
Speaker 1: Question and one more Here Ariander rothschild answer uh. Huh
Speaker 1: question what was the nature of his relationship to Mister? Epstein?
Speaker 1: ANSWER i thought she was a? Client question? Her? Sorry
Speaker 1: was she a frequent visitor of Mister? Epstein answer no.
Speaker 1: Question do you know the purpose of their? Meetings answer no.
Speaker 1: Question were you ever, present answer no. Question did you
Speaker 1: ever overhear? Conversation answer no. Question did you ever engage
Speaker 1: with her? Directly answer no? Question and then, Sorry one
Speaker 1: more name, Here Alan. Dershowitz what did you understand his
Speaker 1: relationship to be with Mister? Epstein answer he was his.
Speaker 1: Attorney Question was he a frequent visitor of Mister? Epstein
Speaker 1: answer no. Question do you know the purpose of their?
Speaker 1: Meetings answer? No did you overhear? Discussions answer? No did
Speaker 1: you engage with Mister dershowitz? Yourself answer, no maybe in passing,
Speaker 1: hello but that was? It question and then we've already.
Speaker 1: Covered Ms rumler would be the last ONE i would
Speaker 1: like to ask, about but we already covered the nature
Speaker 1: of their, Relationship SO i just have one general question
Speaker 1: around her for. Scheduling were young women or girls ever
Speaker 1: prohibited from being scheduled on the same day or around
Speaker 1: the same time As Miss rumler would come to meet Mister.
Speaker 1: Epstein answer, No, brignac did you ever believe that Miss
Speaker 1: rumler had a romantic relationship with Mister? Epstein Miss, Groff,
Speaker 1: No Mister timmins asking the, Question, so from two thousand
Speaker 1: and one to two thousand and, six you were responsible
Speaker 1: For epstein's, Schedule is that? Correct? Graff, Yes, timmins and
Speaker 1: you scheduled many? Massages just approximately how many a day
Speaker 1: or a? WEEK i mean a couple times a week every? Day.
Speaker 1: GRAF i would, say you, know possibly, daily but there
Speaker 1: were definitely times when he would not have a Massage
Speaker 1: timmins on average three or four times a. Week, Graff,
Speaker 1: well it would be when he was In New, york
Speaker 1: which was typically three. Days, timmins, okay and you said,
Speaker 1: Earlier remind me how many during that period of. Time
Speaker 1: how many different massage therapists do you think we're scheduled
Speaker 1: Ballpark graf Different it's difficult for me to, SAY i don't.
Speaker 1: Know timmins Dozens graf, Ten timmins cuts her off Hundreds
Speaker 1: graf twenty. Fifteen Timmins, OKAY i think you said thirty,
Speaker 1: earlier but, Okay, graff, okay Thirty, Timmins so just a Dozen, graf, Yeah,
Speaker 1: timmins a dozen or two? Dozen and you never did
Speaker 1: you ever interact with a massage therapist individually during the time, Period,
Speaker 1: Graf no question By. Timmins so he was arrested in
Speaker 1: two thousand and, six when did you you, said you
Speaker 1: never scheduled a massage after he got out of jail
Speaker 1: in twenty, ten after his, arrest before he went to,
Speaker 1: jail did you ever schedule any massages during that time
Speaker 1: between two thousand and six and twenty? Ten groff two
Speaker 1: thousand and, six twenty, Ten, NO i, mean, well he
Speaker 1: Was timmins cuts her. Off he was in jail from
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight sort Of, Graff, Right so it's
Speaker 1: possible between two thousand and six and two thousand and.
Speaker 1: EIGHT i don't recall question By, Timmins, okay but you
Speaker 1: do recall specifically that when he got out of jail
Speaker 1: there were no more. Massages groff correct, Question, Okay and
Speaker 1: are you aware when did you read the non prosecution?
Speaker 1: Agreement when were you made aware of? That? ANSWER i
Speaker 1: believe after he went to Jail timmins. Okay and what
Speaker 1: is your current when he went to jail and got,
Speaker 1: Out what was your understanding of the reason that he
Speaker 1: went to? Jail? Graff the reason he went to jail
Speaker 1: was procuring an underage prostitute or solicitation of a. Prostitute, Timmins,
Speaker 1: okay did you know anything surrounding the incidents that they
Speaker 1: were charging him with Graff, No, timmins did you then
Speaker 1: or do you? Now Graf, NO i don't know how it,
Speaker 1: occurred is that what you? Mean? Tim and? Sure so,
Speaker 1: basically he had a number of different people that were
Speaker 1: procuring underage women or of age women and scheduling massages
Speaker 1: and then either soliciting them by paying them extra money
Speaker 1: or physically sexually assaulting them and raping. Them and someone
Speaker 1: finally told, somebody and that's how he got, arrested and
Speaker 1: there were issues with the, case and so he pled
Speaker 1: guilty and here we. Are SO i, MEAN i would
Speaker 1: imagine that his lawyers included the people that were scheduling these.
Speaker 1: Massages Sarah kellen was horrified that she was on there as,
Speaker 1: well but she acknowledged that she scheduled massages as, Well
Speaker 1: so his attorneys probably included. That so what time of,
Speaker 1: day generally, speaking between two thousand and one and two
Speaker 1: thousand and six were the massages scheduled? Generally were they
Speaker 1: in the morning graff daytime? Question were they in the? Evening?
Speaker 1: Daytime graff? Daytime Timmin's, Okay i'm going to fast forward
Speaker 1: to post twenty. Ten it seems that from twenty ten
Speaker 1: really to twenty twelve, thirteen he went on a sprint
Speaker 1: to find a group of women that he would leverage
Speaker 1: to put in his. Service i'm going to refer to
Speaker 1: them as the seven. SURVIVORS i don't really consider redacted
Speaker 1: to be a. SURVIVOR i think she was elevated above
Speaker 1: what she was originally brought in. For so these seven
Speaker 1: survivors were brought into THE, us they were all, young
Speaker 1: they were all very, attractive and they are methods of,
Speaker 1: control and they are tools of. Control and whether you
Speaker 1: realize that you were critical to the tools and the
Speaker 1: methods of control is one. Question BUT i, MEAN i
Speaker 1: GUESS i just want to talk about. Them so there's credit.
Speaker 1: Cards So epstein In Dyke well redacted would take out
Speaker 1: credit cards in their. Names they would create businesses in their.
Speaker 1: Names these seven women that were quote unquote, assistants and
Speaker 1: he would then leverage their. Finances he gave him a
Speaker 1: place to, stay and you were aware that they all
Speaker 1: stayed in the same, house with the exception of. REDACTED
Speaker 1: i asked you earlier about the pin, numbers so it's
Speaker 1: my understanding that you controlled the pin numbers for the
Speaker 1: doors of their. Apartments and to be very careful because
Speaker 1: they did you have the ability to? Change did you ever?
Speaker 1: Change did you? Control did you know the codes into their?
Speaker 1: Apartments Miss? GROTH i never changed any, Codes. Timmins did
Speaker 1: you know the codes of their? Apartments? GROTH i did
Speaker 1: know the codes on the, apartments BUT i had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with. Them. Timmins did you ever change the? Codes? Groff, No.
Speaker 1: Timmins would you be surprised if there's an email from
Speaker 1: you stating that you changed the? Code? Groth well maybe
Speaker 1: there was something wrong with the. CODE i don't, Know. Timmins,
Speaker 1: okay so you could have changed the, Codes, Groff, well
Speaker 1: there were very difficult. MACHINES i don't. KNOW i never
Speaker 1: went in and changed them, Myself. Timmins so you have
Speaker 1: the tools of control and methods of. Control epstein would
Speaker 1: tell the victims the survivors that THEIR pin number would
Speaker 1: be changed if they didn't do what he. Said he
Speaker 1: did not give them. Leases they were at his, benevolence
Speaker 1: just yet another one of his. Methods the. Control the
Speaker 1: tool was the, apartment the ability to control whether they
Speaker 1: were able to go into their. Apartment and he did
Speaker 1: that through. You but again you didn't. Know so, computers
Speaker 1: end Phones he gave them computers and their cell, phones
Speaker 1: and he told them that they were being survelled and
Speaker 1: that they could do whatever they. Wanted but just know
Speaker 1: that he was. Watching so does that surprise you that
Speaker 1: he would say that to, Them, GROTH i did not
Speaker 1: know that that's what he was telling. THEM i had
Speaker 1: zero knowledge of. That all, right, folks we're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: up right, here and in the next, episode we're gonna
Speaker 1: pick up where we left. Off all the information that
Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description.
Speaker 1: Box