WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.120 What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:06.240 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.720 where we left off with Leslie Groffs transcript from her 4 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:14.199 visit to Congress. Question I'd like to ask you some 5 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:18.239 questions about Glenne Maxwell. What was your understanding of her 6 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:22.039 relationship with mister Epstein. Answer? I thought they were dear 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:24.280 friends who had known each other for quite a long 8 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:27.000 time before I arrived there at the office, and I 9 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:30.359 believe that he that she was his office manager. Question, 10 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:33.359 So it was your understanding that she worked for mister 11 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:39.200 Epstein in addition to being his friend. Correct answer correct question. 12 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.359 Do you know what mister Epstein paid Miss Maxwell while 13 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:45.399 she worked there? Answer no question. Do you know when 14 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:49.920 Miss Maxwell stopped working for mister Epstein? Answer I don't 15 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.799 know when she truly stopped, but I think it was 16 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:56.200 around twenty ten, twenty eleven something like that. Question was 17 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:00.439 miss Maxwell you're a supervisor at any point? Answer no question. 18 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.880 Were you ever aware of Miss Maxwell soliciting minor girls 19 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.439 to massage mister Epstein? Answer no question. There have been 20 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.599 reports that Miss Maxwell would say things like quote, I've 21 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:14.480 got to go get girls for Jeffrey, did you ever 22 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:18.000 hear him say anything like that? Answer no question. Did 23 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.959 miss Maxwell ever instruct you to solicit minor girls to 24 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:25.920 massage Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no question. Did miss Maxwell ever 25 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:29.120 instruct you to contact a specific person, a girl or 26 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:33.560 a woman to massage mister Epstein? Answer no question. Do 27 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:37.359 you believe that miss Maxwell should be pardoned for her crimes? Answer? 28 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.439 Knowing what I know now? Question yes, answer no question. 29 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:47.159 I think mister Bell has some questions. Mister Bell, question, 30 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:50.159 good afternoon. I have a few questions. First, I want 31 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:53.480 to talk about surveillance cameras in the Epstein homes. Were 32 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.359 you aware of surveillance cameras in his New York residence? 33 00:01:56.599 --> 00:02:00.319 In mister Epstein's New York residence, Miss Groft, I knew 34 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:03.040 that there were cameras that looked out onto seventy first Street, 35 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:06.000 mister Bell, So that would be a yes, mister Graff, 36 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:09.680 mis Groff yes. Question. What about in his pom Beach home? 37 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.520 Miss Groff? No, And to that, her lawyer Bockner jumps in, no, 38 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.520 you're not aware or no, they didn't exist. Graff, I'm 39 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.400 not aware that they existed, Belle. Do you know where 40 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:23.439 the recordings from any of those cameras were stored Graff, 41 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:27.520 No Bell, And do you know who has those recordings 42 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.840 as of today? Graff? No question. Did you have any 43 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.199 kind of warning or advance knowledge that the Palm Beach 44 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:36.199 Police Department was going to search mister Epstein's home and 45 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:40.319 Palm Beach in two thousand and five? Answer no question. 46 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:46.280 Did you remove any photographs from his home? Answer no question. 47 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:51.319 Cameras answer no question, files, answer no question, hard drives 48 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:56.560 answer no question, or other documentary or electronic material from 49 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:00.840 his home it advanced that search, Miss Groff, No question. 50 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.479 Did you instruct anyone to do so? Answer no question. 51 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.120 Are you aware of anyone removing such items from the 52 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:12.159 home before the search? Ms? Groff? No question? To your knowledge, 53 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.439 did mister Epstein ever hire private investigators? Miss Groff? I 54 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:19.080 don't know. Question. Are you aware now that he hired 55 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:23.759 private investigators? Miss Groff? After preparing for this testimony? I 56 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.879 heard someone say that he yet hired. Mister Bell cuts 57 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:31.280 her off. So you're aware now, Miss Groff? Aware? Now? Yes? Question. 58 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.319 What was your understanding of why mister Epstein hired private investigators? 59 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.599 Miss Groff? I didn't know that he hired private investigators. 60 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:42.919 Mister Bell, what's your understanding now of why mister Epstein 61 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:47.719 hired private investigators? Answer? I don't know. Question are you 62 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:51.120 aware to your understanding? Are you aware of what mister 63 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.960 Epstein instructed them to do? Miss Groff? No question. Did 64 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.800 you have any role in hiring, overseeing, or paying private 65 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:02.680 investigators on mister Epstein's behalf at any time? Ms? Groff? 66 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:06.759 No question. Did you have any kind of warning or 67 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.520 advance knowledge that the FBI was going to search mister 68 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:13.000 Epstein's home in New York City on July sixth and seventh, 69 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:18.000 twenty nineteen, Miss Graff, no question. Did you ever remove 70 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:22.759 any photographs from that home? Miss Groff, No question. Cameras 71 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:30.319 answer no, files answer no, hard drives answer no, or 72 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.199 other documentary electronic material from his home it advanced that search? 73 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.279 Answer no question. Did you instruct anyone to do so? 74 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:41.720 Answer no question. Are you aware of anyone removing such 75 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:46.079 items from the home prior to the search? Answer no question. 76 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.680 Did you have any kind of warning or advance knowledge 77 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.240 that the FBI was going to raid mister Epstein's island 78 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:56.759 Little Saint James on August twelfth, twenty nineteen, answer no question. 79 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.480 Did you remove any photographs from Epstein's island Little Saint 80 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:05.360 James answer no, Files answer no, Any cameras answer no, 81 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:10.759 Any our drives answer no. Any other documentary or electronic 82 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.680 material from his home in advance of that search answer 83 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.240 no question. Did you instruct anyone to do so? Answer 84 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.839 no question. Are you aware of anyone removing such items 85 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.519 from the island before the raid? Answer no question. I 86 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:29.319 think that's all I have now. It's Representative Walkinshaw doing 87 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:33.560 the questioning. Thank you, miss Groff. In January of twenty 88 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.720 twenty four, President Trump posted on truth Social I was 89 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:39.959 never on Epstein's plane or at a stupid island. On 90 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.720 December twenty third, twenty twenty five, the DOJ released a 91 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:47.439 January twenty twenty internal email from an assistant US attorney 92 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:50.439 in the Southern District of New York, reported on by 93 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:55.199 multiple outlets, and the email reads, for your situational awareness, 94 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.279 I wanted to let you know that the flight records 95 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:01.079 we received yesterday reflect that Donald Trump on Epstein's private 96 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:04.720 jet many more times than previously has been reported, or 97 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.839 that we were aware, including during the period we would 98 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:12.160 expect to charge in the Maxwell case. Yikes, not good 99 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.720 for Trump, right? Why are you lying about being on 100 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:18.560 the plane? Bro In particular, he listed as a passenger 101 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.360 on at least eight flights from between nineteen ninety two 102 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:24.560 and nineteen ninety six, including at least four flights on 103 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:29.360 which Maxwell was also present. Miss Groff, Obviously, the flight 104 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:33.199 records described pre date your employment with mister Epstein, but 105 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.120 I want to focus on the time that you were 106 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.000 working for him February two thousand and one and onward. 107 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:43.399 During your tenure working for mister Epstein, did you ever arrange, confirm, 108 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.360 or log any travel for mister Trump or his family 109 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:51.959 Groff No Walkinshaw. Anyone identifying themselves as acting on his 110 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.160 behalf a board any of the aircraft that belonged to 111 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:59.480 mister Epstein Graff no Walkinshaw. Or you ever instructed by 112 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.000 mister Eppstein or anyone else to handle any Trump related 113 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.600 travel or correspondence through any channel other than your normal 114 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:11.839 scheduling procedures. Graff no Walkinshaw. Okay. Were you aware at 115 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.319 any point during or after your employment that mister Trump's 116 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.480 Marra a Lago club had been subpoenaed in the Maxwell case? 117 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:23.560 Graff no. Walkinshaw. Did you ever communicate directly or indirectly 118 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.360 with anyone at Marra a Lago in connection with any 119 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.759 law enforcement or a grand jury inquiry into either mister 120 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:34.639 Epstein or Miss Maxwell's conduct. Miss Groff no, Walkinshaw, Okay, 121 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:39.399 switching gears. During your time of employment with mister Epstein, 122 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:42.600 were you aware of Virginia Roberts at the time known 123 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:45.560 as Virginia Roberts had been recruited for mar A Lago 124 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:48.800 and Epstein's orbit in or around the summer of two thousand, 125 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:54.079 Miss Groff no, Walkinshaw. Did you ever arrange travel, scheduling 126 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.800 or compensation for Miss Roberts in your capacity as mister 127 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:03.519 Epstein's assistant, Graf, I don't recall, Walkinshaw. Did you have 128 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.879 any knowledge or awareness of any meeting between mister Ebstein 129 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:10.879 and Miss Roberts at the time, Graf? Did I coordinate 130 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:13.639 a meeting? Answer or did you have any knowledge of 131 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.399 any meetings? Graf? It's possible. I don't know. It was 132 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.959 a really long time ago, but it's possible, Walkinshaw. So 133 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:23.079 it's possible that you had knowledge of those meetings, Grof. Well, 134 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.560 if I was directed to make an appointment it's possible, 135 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.360 but Palm Beach was not really my area of where 136 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:32.159 I was booking appointments. Lock Inshaw. Okay. So it's possible 137 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:35.519 that you arranged scheduling related to Miss Roberts' role, which 138 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:38.600 you believed was as mister Ebstein one of his assistants. 139 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.919 You might have Grof didn't know what her position was. 140 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.759 Lock Inshaw, But it's possible you scheduled meetings gets cut 141 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.200 off by Groff an appointment. It's possible, lock in Shaw, Okay. 142 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:51.639 Did you arrange or is it possible that you arranged 143 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:54.919 any travel or a compensation for Miss Roberts during that 144 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:00.080 time period? Graf, I don't recall. I don't know Walkinshaw. Okay. 145 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.320 And did you have any awareness of travel or a 146 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.360 compensation being arranged to Miss Roberts? Groff, No, I don't 147 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:10.080 recall Walkinshaw. Okay, thank you. That's all I have. Next up, 148 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:16.440 Miss Taled, do I get recognized or just go go ahead? Taled? 149 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:21.000 Go ahead? Do you have something to say? Groff? No? Question? Okay? 150 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:24.080 Where were you based primarily? Miss Groff? I was based 151 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:27.960 in New York? Question New York? Okay? Did you do 152 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:30.960 travel for him? I know you probably got asked this before. 153 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.720 Did you book travel for him? Groff? I did book 154 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:38.840 some travel for him? Question even for his guests? Answer? Yeah, 155 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.720 for his guests as well as him. Question was President 156 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:45.600 Trump any of his guests that you booked travel for? Answer? 157 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.759 I never booked travel for mister Trump. Question but he 158 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:50.600 was never He was never one of the guests that 159 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.320 you book travel for Groff. Correct question. Okay, what did 160 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.279 you receive from the Epstein of State? I know you 161 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.879 sued them. You sued the Epstein of State. How much 162 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:04.799 money did you receive from them? Mister Whitcomb, Just for clarity, 163 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:09.320 she never sued them. Question Okay, you all sued, Witcomb, 164 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.919 we made no We made a claim, but we didn't 165 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.840 commence a lawsuit. Question okay, Oh, you settled out of court, 166 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:20.120 wouldcom correct to lib? Okay, for the record, he pointed 167 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.360 that you settled out of court. You did get something. 168 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:24.720 Are you allowed to tell us how much you got 169 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.840 through that settlement? Witcomb? Yes, yes, I think several hundred 170 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.840 thousand to lib. Okay, you don't have the exact number, 171 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:34.600 so two hundred thousand, Witcomb, three hundred thousand to lib 172 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:38.399 three hundred thousand would come approximately for legal for reimbursement 173 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:43.279 of legal fees. Question Okay, did you ever witness women crying? 174 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:46.639 Answer no question coming out of because you said you 175 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.200 bood massages forum, right Groff? Early in my employment, yes, 176 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:55.840 question Yes, when you booked the massages, you had to 177 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:58.360 call the women and arrange it, Groff, As directed by 178 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:00.480 mister Epstein. He would tell me you would oh, yes, 179 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.559 question and you call them answer yes, question. You had 180 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.080 all their numbers everything, right Groff. He would sometimes provide 181 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:12.679 a number. Question yeah, answer and the name. And you 182 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:15.960 never saw any of them come out crying. Question Answer, 183 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.080 I didn't work at his home, okay. Question answer I 184 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:25.559 only worked at Helmsley Palace. Question any of them you 185 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:27.759 called them? Said no, I don't want to come. Answer 186 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:30.399 no question okay. And you don't know how old the 187 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:34.360 youngest was that you booked a massage for. Answer no question. 188 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:36.960 Did they even sound young on the phone? Answer, I 189 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.039 don't know. Question Okay, you don't know. Okay. You said 190 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:43.000 you arrange travel for his guests. Were any of them 191 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.720 women that you booked massages for? Answer no question Okay. 192 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.159 During the time that you worked for mister Epstein, what 193 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:53.399 was your understanding of his relationship with President Trump. Groff, 194 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:55.960 I just merely would connect mister Epstein with mister Trump 195 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.279 gets cut off by talib by phone Groff on the 196 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.000 phone on the phone, that was it. Question Did the 197 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:05.960 relationship change over time? Answer? Over time? There were no 198 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:10.519 more phone calls to mister Trump. Question okay, was mister 199 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.440 Trump calling mister Epstein and then mister Epstein telling you 200 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.559 I don't want to talk to him? Answer? I don't 201 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.919 recall no that no question. No, okay. What was your 202 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:24.200 understanding of why their relationship ended? Groff? At the time, 203 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.080 I did not know why their relationship ended? Question okay, 204 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.720 have you ever met President Trump? Answer? No question okay? 205 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:34.879 Or has President Trump ever discussed mister Epstein with you 206 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:38.720 when you called? Answer? No question? Okay, did mister Epstein 207 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:42.799 ever discuss President Trump with you at all? Answer? No question. 208 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.320 Never mentioned, just said, hey, can you get through on 209 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.919 the phone for him? Answer correct question. It was just 210 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.039 like get them on the phone for me. Answer correct question. 211 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:54.320 Was it a number of times per day? Was it 212 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.360 more than one year? Then the other? Answer? No question? Okay, 213 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.559 answer it was sporadic every so often? Question every week, 214 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:08.720 every month? Question I wouldn't say, no, question every month 215 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.399 Groff answer maybe once a quarter. I don't know. To Lib, 216 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.919 you don't know, Grof, I don't know. To Lib. Did 217 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.279 mister Epstein ever discuss President Trump with you? Answer? No question? Okay? 218 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.480 Did Maxwell ever have access to any of mister Epstein's 219 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:26.879 bank accounts or any financial accounts? Graf, I don't know. 220 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:30.559 Question did miss Maxwell ask you to arrange travel for 221 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.840 any of his guests? Answer? I don't know. Question for 222 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:37.360 any young women? Answer no question? Okay? Could you please 223 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.519 describe any accounts that miss Maxwell had access to? Miss Groff, 224 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.200 I don't know what accounts she had access to? Question 225 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:48.279 any financial accounts? Answer? I don't know. Question okay? Would 226 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.519 anything involve visas that you had to deal with like 227 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.120 applying for visas for travel? Groff? The only visas that 228 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.720 I helped apply for were mister Epstein's twice, once for Russia, 229 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:02.759 once for Japan. Sure about that? Answer? Yes, question you're positive? 230 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.559 Answer I never applied for a visa for anyone else? 231 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.440 Answer or question? And you never arranged any travel for 232 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.200 any of his other guests? Answer? While I arrange travel 233 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:16.720 for his guests, question, and that was all domestic travel? Graf? 234 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.720 No question? Did you ever have to apply for visas 235 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:22.200 for any of his guests. Answer, I did not apply 236 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.080 for visas. Question What I mean by that is you 237 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.399 submitted the documents or you gave the documents to the 238 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:30.759 guests and have them like tell them you have to 239 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:34.600 do this or whatever to get the visa. No, Graff, no, never, 240 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.360 question to come to the United States. Groff, correct, I 241 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:42.000 never supplied anyone with visa documents to fill out. Question 242 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.559 when all of this obviously slowly came out, have you 243 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.960 seen photos and images and testimony from some of the 244 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:51.799 survivors of Epstein Graf? I've seen some of it. Question 245 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:55.000 did you recognize any of them? This is my last question? 246 00:14:55.240 --> 00:15:02.559 Did you recognize any of them? Groff? Yes, yes, mister Gross, yes, 247 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:07.360 mister Leid. Did you any of the women? Did you 248 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:10.639 have to arrange massages for him with them? Witcom? Just 249 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.879 objection of form, she said, one woman she recognized so far. 250 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:19.960 Question one woman. Answer by Witcomb Sarah Kellen. Question did 251 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:23.799 you arrange did she arrange massages? Did you arrange massages 252 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:28.919 for him mister Epstein with her? Graf? No question? Okay, 253 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:31.320 that's it, Thank you. All right, folks, We're going to 254 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.559 wrap up right here, and in the next episode, we're 255 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.919 going to pick up where we left off. All the 256 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.960 information that goes with this episode can be found in 257 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.200 the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another 258 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:46.440 episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going 259 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.639 to pick up where we left off with the Leslie 260 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:57.360 Groff interview with Congress question by mister Krishna Morphy. Now, 261 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.279 thank you. I'm Rad Chrysner Morty from Illinois. Look, I 262 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.679 presume that if Jeffrey Epstein ever asked you to arrange 263 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:07.639 a massage with an underage person or a minor, you 264 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:12.639 would have objected, right Ms Groff, Yes, question. And I 265 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:14.879 also presume that if Epstein asked you to contact a 266 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:17.799 minor or underage person to set up an appointment, you 267 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:24.759 would have said something or objected right. Answer absolutely, chrysnal Morti. Okay, 268 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.600 let me introduce you to Exhibit G. Can you please 269 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.600 share that with miss Groff. I'll just show you a 270 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:32.720 couple of emails that we found that have your name 271 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.960 on them, and they're with a couple of different people. 272 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.600 I'm going to direct your attention to the first page 273 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.360 of the stack. It has debates number EFTA, and it 274 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.960 ends with it's our one zero zero seven four four 275 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:51.600 two seven zero, and it says from Leslie Groff to redacted, Hello, redacted, 276 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:54.159 hope you're having a nice weekend. Jeffrey will be in 277 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.200 town on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and would like to 278 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:01.480 see you. Might you have some time, please let me know, Leslie. Question. 279 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:04.799 You see that right at the bottom of the chain. Graf, 280 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:09.279 Uh huh question Okay, and then redacted responds, dear Leslie, 281 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.960 thank you for your email. What about tomorrow evening? Would 282 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.480 you have some time? You see that email, right, Graf, Yes, question, 283 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:21.119 and then you respond, Actually, Tuesday evening work for you 284 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.880 anytime after six pm? You see that email, right, Graf, 285 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:27.759 I do question. And then the last email in the 286 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:31.319 chain Tuesday, I'm at school till ten pm. We have 287 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:35.480 orchestral rehearsal for the concert on Friday. Now, at that 288 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:38.240 moment when you receive that email, did you believe that 289 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:42.640 this person was not an underage person or a minor? Graf. 290 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.160 I would not have suspected at all that this would 291 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.720 be an underage person or a minor. Krishna Morthy. So 292 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.759 it's your testimony today that you would have not suspected 293 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.359 that this person is an underage person or a minor 294 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:57.680 when that person responds that they have orchestral rehearsal in 295 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.000 the evening, in your response to your question about whether 296 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:05.240 they're available. Right, that's your testimony, Graff, Yes, krystnal Morthy, 297 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:09.000 And you're under oath. Graff yes. And look not for 298 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.200 me to jump in here and give Epstein any kind 299 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.319 of defense. But what if that woman that they're talking about, 300 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.759 or a girl, was in college and she was of age. Now, 301 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:19.920 look that doesn't matter if she was being abused, right, 302 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:22.920 But we have to be particular and we have to 303 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:27.039 make sure that we're using the right terminology and we're 304 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:34.319 putting people in the right categories. Krishnal Morthy. Let me 305 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:36.920 just turn your attention to another page in the document, 306 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.160 which is another email. Okay, it has bait stamp. It's 307 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.920 the third page in the stack EFTA underscore R one 308 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.640 zero zero six' one five eight five. Eight do you see, 309 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:51.440 that Miss? GRAFF i, Do Krystal. Morty, okay let me 310 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:54.400 start this text this email chain. Again it, says and 311 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:58.440 this is From, Monday. December i'm Sorry Sunday december, thirteenth 312 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.759 at six oh five, pm twenty, fourteen twenty, Fifteen so 313 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.200 fourteen years into your, Tenure, hi. Redacted jeffrey will be 314 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:09.400 In New york this week and is asking if you 315 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.799 could come see him On tuesday after work five. Thirty 316 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:16.680 do you see? That Ms? Groff uh? Huh question? Okay 317 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:20.359 redacted or? Response, Hello, LESLIE i have School, Monday tuesday 318 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.920 And wednesday. Nights do you see? That you? Respond, uh, 319 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.839 okay how about tomorrow? Day do you see? That? GRAFF 320 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:31.279 i do? Questions Miss? Groff she, Says i'm working eight 321 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.000 thirty to five thirty and school six to. Nine at 322 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.599 that moment when you saw, that it's your testimony that 323 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.279 you did not believe that this person was either underage 324 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:44.279 or a. Minor correct Ms, groff correct question, okay and 325 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.000 you respond you're a busy. Girl i'll Let jeffrey. Know. 326 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:50.759 Thanks so it's your testimony that when you're sending out 327 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.359 these emails and people respond to you that they're in 328 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.480 school or that they have orchestra, rehearsal that you believe 329 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:58.960 that they're not a minor or an underage. Person that 330 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:02.880 is your, testimony, right Miss? Groff that is? Correct Krishnal, 331 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:08.000 morty you're under, Oath Miss. Groff, yes that is, correct Chrysnal. 332 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:10.599 Morthy you want us to believe, that after eighteen years 333 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:13.480 working in the employ of Mister, epstein that not on 334 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:16.039 one occasion did you believe that any of your contacts 335 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.759 in setting up these appointments With Jeffrey epstein were with 336 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:23.119 either a minor or an underage. Person, Correct Miss, Groff 337 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:27.400 that is, correct Krishnal, Morthy and that we should believe 338 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:29.880 that it was reasonable for you to think that none 339 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:32.440 of these people were under, Age Miss. Groff that is, 340 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:37.480 correct Krishnal. Morty, okay this strange, Credibility Miss, GROFF i yield. Back, 341 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:40.799 Garcia thank, You Miss. GROFF i have a couple. QUESTIONS 342 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:43.119 i just want to go back real briefly to something 343 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:46.160 that my colleague just. Said so these conversations that he 344 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:50.000 pointed out for these, emails they happened After epstein's. Conviction 345 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:53.960 is that? Correct? Answer correct? Question so it never crossed 346 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:57.640 your mind after a conviction of an obviously very horrific 347 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:00.480 crime against an underage, woman that these interacts that you 348 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.440 were having with other women that were talking about school 349 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:07.720 orchestra practice never raised any concern to, you Ms. Groff, No, 350 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.000 garcia so not once were you concerned after knowing That 351 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:15.119 Jeffrey epstein was convicted of abuse of a, minor that 352 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.119 you had any sort of concerns that you were having 353 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:21.000 conversations with other women who were talking about school and orchestra. 354 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:24.440 Practice is that? Correct is that your? Testimony Ms, groff 355 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:28.519 that's my. TESTIMONY i never saw anything, Inappropriate Miss, witcombs 356 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.400 she answered the question Ms. Groff, yes Mister, garcia you 357 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.759 never saw, anything But jeffrey had been convicted already and 358 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:39.440 you knew that, information, correct Ms, GROFF i did. Question, 359 00:21:39.519 --> 00:21:42.079 OKAY i just want to go back to something, Else thank, you, 360 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:45.079 so Ms, GROFF i just want to go back to 361 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.599 something that was asked. EARLIER i know you had mentioned 362 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:51.200 that you had arranged multiple phone conversations With Donald, trump 363 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:54.599 not the president yet of, course and Mister. Epstein and 364 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.319 then just for the, record, again you did connect them 365 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:00.799 by phone a few, times, correct Ms. Groff? Correct question 366 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.039 was that more than five? Times more than ten? Times 367 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.200 do you have any idea how many times you connected 368 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:08.960 them by? Phone Ms. GROFF i don't know how OFTEN 369 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:12.279 i connected. Them there would BE i, said once a, 370 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.319 quarter maybe or. Twice If epstein was in town and 371 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.079 he wanted to speak to Mister, trump it might take 372 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:19.880 me four or five times to get the two of 373 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.240 them on the. Phone BUT i don't know how often 374 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.039 that really, occurred Miss. Garcia Mister, garcia and it's safe 375 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.640 to say that you could have done it multiple times a, Year, 376 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:32.640 graff yes, Question, okay so multiple times a year over 377 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.400 a period of ten, Years Ms, Graff, YEAH i don't 378 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:41.079 really recall when they stopped, Talking. Garcia and then did 379 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.079 you also arrange any meetings between Mister epstein and Mister, 380 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:47.000 trump separate of just phone? Calls Miss, groff it's. POSSIBLE 381 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.799 i don't recall anything, offhand Mister, Garcia, okay but it's 382 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.079 possible that you could have arranged. Meetings but you don't 383 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:55.839 recall if there was a. Meeting did you arrange any 384 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:59.279 services for Mister trump that Mister epstein was providing separate 385 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:01.480 of a phone call or a? Meeting Ms, groff no. 386 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.519 Question would you characterize our friendship as a? Friendship? ANSWER 387 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.119 i really don't know what the relationship. WAS i didn't 388 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:12.799 hear them. SPEAKING i don't, Know. Garcia Because epstein has 389 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:16.279 characterized it as a. Friendship in, fact Mister epstein said 390 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:19.119 that he considered them actually best friends for a period 391 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.519 of ten. Years have you heard that in the media 392 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:25.039 or anything else, before Ms, GROFF i have not. Questioned 393 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:28.359 and Miss, groff, earlier when we ask you about Mister 394 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.480 epstein's relationship With Les, wexner you were willing to provide 395 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.200 your opinion that they were friends as well as business. 396 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.400 Partners so to The congressman's, question how would you characterize 397 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:42.359 a relationship of Mister trump And, epstein Ms, GROFF i, 398 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.640 MEAN i suppose they were. FRIENDLY i don't know if 399 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.319 they had any business going. On that wasn't something THAT i. 400 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:51.480 Asked that's not SOMETHING i discussed with Mister epstein or Mister. 401 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.880