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Speaker 1: When she got to that fence at the border of

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China and North Korea, she looked up and it's this huge,

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enormous piece of steel jetting up into the sky and

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there's barbed wire at the top, and she had no

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idea how she was going to get over that.

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Speaker 2: This is The Miracle Files. I'm Emily Jones.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Holly Worthington. We're two sisters who love a

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captivating true story, but we're also seeking more light in

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our lives.

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Speaker 2: So we're on a mission to find and share unforgettable,

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uplifting stories of God's miracles. We hope you'll join us

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on this journey. Welcome back to the Miracle Files. In

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this bonus episode, Holly sat down with author Heidi Tucker.

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She helped Geuon and Too Hyun write their story and

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Necessary Lie and it is fascinating. She shared some really

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cool details about Geon's side of the story. In fact,

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there's a whole new miracle story that we weren't even

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aware of. So we hope that you will enjoy this

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conversation as much as we did.

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Speaker 4: We have Heidi Tucker here, Yeah, so happy to be here. Okay, So,

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how are you affected by this story. I know how

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it affected us completely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like most of you, I knew that North Korea

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was up there above South Korea. I knew that there's

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this crazy dictator named Kim Joe Nun who keeps firing

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off missiles and making everybody nervous. I knew it was

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a communist country, and that's kind of about it, you know.

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So learning everything that I learned about North Korea and

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then just really digging into day to day life in

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North Korea, it completely sort of rewired me. And I

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feel like I'm so grateful for very simple basic things.

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You know, when I step into the hot shower, I'm

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so grateful that the water comes out of the faucet

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and food in my refrigerator. I mean, I think about

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those things all the time now, and I didn't. I

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sort of took them for granted. So I'm so grateful

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for the freedoms. I also have such an empathy for

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what I'll call my brothers and my sisters in North

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Korea who don't know any better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is definitely how it affected us as well.

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We both just sat and cried, honestly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tried writing the book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure you cried a lot. Okay,

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So how did you meet these guys? How did you

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end up being the writer for the book? So?

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Speaker 1: I met them because my publisher heard about their story.

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Someone had talked to him about the story. They had

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heard this person had heard them speak. He says, I

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have your next book. Just hear me out on this, Heidi,

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because this is an incredible story and if you don't

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get out of it, you know someone else will. And

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I was overwhelmed on two different levels. Number One, I

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was overwhelmed with how incredible it was and the miracles

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that I saw that were happening throughout their story. And secondly,

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I was overwhelmed at the prospect of writing this book.

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But I felt called to do that, and I don't

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take writing projects lightly, and so I really have to

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feel sort of spiritually that that's my next project, that

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I've been called to do that, and I felt that

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with this story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what is your favorite part of the story? Oh,

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hard question.

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Speaker 1: Such a hard question. Something that's really incredible to me

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that I just have never forgotten. When I was doing

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some of the interviews with them. Is Gionne talking about

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when she got to that fence at the border of

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China and between you know, North Korea and China. She

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had made it to the to the tall fence and

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she looked up right and it's this huge, enormous piece

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of steel jetting up into the sky and there's barbed

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wire at the top, and she had no idea how

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she was going to get over that, but she began

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to climb. And she told me that all of a

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sudden she found herself, you know, and you you hear

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guards right there coming. I've got to get over this fence,

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she said, all of a sudden, I found myself sitting

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at the base on the other side, and her clothes

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were torn, her hands were bloody, and she doesn't remember

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going over the fence.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And she said, clearly I was helped because she just

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didn't remember. And it gives me goosebumps just to tell

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it again now. And I've known the story for years,

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and so there were so many miracles throughout this story.

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Speaker 4: But that's why so many really.

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Speaker 1: Really affected me when she told me about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so many miracles and their story, and we

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didn't we weren't able to cover them all in our podcast.

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So hopefully people will read the book too, and I

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guess there's a movie coming out as well, Is that right.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So do you have any idea when that will

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come out or what the plan is there?

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Speaker 1: The initial goal was twenty twenty seven. I hope it

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makes that, if not, certainly twenty twenty eight. So I

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know that the script is finished. I haven't read the script,

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but I've been told by the executive producer who has

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that it'll absolutely knock your socks off.

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Speaker 4: So I'm so excited to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many angles to getting it on this

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big screen, but I hope that that really happens, and

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we feel we feel passionate about it and feel like

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we've been called to that work and we just want

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the world to know what's happening on the other side

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of those barbed wire fences. Because when you just read

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a Time magazine article, or you we had a newspaper article,

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or you clue into into some YouTube channel that talks

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about North Korea, you don't get the detail. No, definitely

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kind of get an overview. And in fact, twin when

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the Kims, when we first were sitting down talking about

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how to organize this book. They said to me in

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the beginning, they would say, you know, Heidi, this is

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really a love story. And I remember thinking, yeah, yeah,

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but let's get onto the escape, right, Yeah, there's no way.

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Speaker 3: And as we.

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Speaker 1: Began to really dig and I peeled back the layers

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of that onion and just really learned their story. Now,

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I'm like, yeah, that's a love story. It's a love

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story with an escape. And the fact that it's just

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completely true just blows your mind, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my gosh, Yeah, yeah. I still can't believe

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not only that they went through all of this, but

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that there are so many other people going through similar

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experiences that are just trapped in that, you know, And

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it's really hard to think.

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Speaker 1: Now Kim Jong lun has really clamped down on the

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borders and he's he's really fortified the military.

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Speaker 4: I read it's so much harder to escape now.

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Speaker 1: It's so it's so hard to escape now that you

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know the brokers. It's so dangerous that you can't even

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pay a broker to go in anymore. They just they

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just won't. It's too risky. So those people are really

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trapped and they just you know, who knows how many

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are starving these days. You know what kind of a

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food situation is happening. It's so secretive. Yeah, so we

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just don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, is there anything else you want to share?

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Speaker 1: Just that I I write a lot of inspirational books,

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and there's there's some really great lessons in all of

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the books. But this is the only book that I

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have sort of publicly promised readers and people that learn

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about this story that it'll absolutely change your life. And

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I've never said that about any of my other books.

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And I love my other books, but I've never said

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that it'll change your life, and it really truly does.

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It sort of changes your focus. It makes you feel

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differently about refugees and about North Koreans and and forget

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all the surface level stuff that we hear in the news.

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This story will take you deep into the homes of

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North Korea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, all right, Well, thank you so much. Thank

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you appreciate you just talking with me and sharing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. And we are so excited

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for this to hit the big screen. It's cooed known

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all the developments that are happening. So k n O

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Speaker 5: Okay, great, Well, we want to thank Heidi Tucker for

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sharing her thoughts with us, and if you'd like to

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Speaker 3: Join us next time as we discover more of God's miracles,

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and don't forget to look for His light in your

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own lives