1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome to our podcast 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,360 for the very first time. But a man I've known 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,279 for I don't know, Frank, about twenty five years or so. 4 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:11,919 It is the Hall of Fame promoter Frank Warren from 5 00:00:11,919 --> 00:00:14,640 Preensburry Promotions. Frank, we got a lot to talk about 6 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:16,480 after all the events you've been involved with recently, a 7 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:18,359 lot of stuff coming up, So thank you very much 8 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:19,800 for doing this with me. Toda, I appreciate it. 9 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,679 Speaker 2: I'll tell us a pleasure that Well. 10 00:00:23,559 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Let's get into it, Frank. I mean we're about a 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,280 little bit, a little bit less than a week removed. 12 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,320 By the time people hear this, it'll be about a 13 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,240 week removed from that massive event that you know you 14 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,560 were involved with co promoting in Wembley Stadium where your 15 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,759 man Daniel duwascort a spectacular victory, massive knockout against Anthony 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,159 Joshua to retain the IBF heavyweight title. Just a terrific fight, 17 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:48,200 all but one sided. And so I think the question 18 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,799 a lot of boxing fans have, Frank is after that 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,799 kind of victory, what is next for Daniel Dubois. 20 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:59,119 Speaker 2: Well, he actually, excuse me, Dan, He went on. He 21 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:02,399 went on dec to day. We're going to sit down 22 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:04,400 when he comes back and look at the options. But 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,920 obviously the big fights taking place on the twenty first 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:15,359 of December in react part of the read season, which 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,439 is the rematch between Busik and Tyson, So we've got 26 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:22,079 an eye on that and there's been a lot of 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,480 We've had quite a few approaches from aj Seen asking 28 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:29,599 about rematch, which you know, I wouldn't have a problem 29 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:32,959 with that because I think I think Dan will deal 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,000 with the rematch the same way as the last fight. 31 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:40,159 And we also look after quite a few other good heavyweys, 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,680 like saying Parker, so there's some good fights there to 33 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:45,719 be made against some good heavyweights. 34 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,719 Speaker 1: So, as a person like yourself that's been involved with 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,920 the biggest events for decades, which do you think from 36 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:55,959 a financial point of view, from a fan interest point 37 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:58,200 of view, which is the biggest one in your mind? 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: I think the biggest one would be would be the 39 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:08,759 winner of the fight in December for obvious reasons. I 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,599 think you know that the four belts would be on 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,360 the line, and it would be and it would be 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,080 an interesting scenario because you know, if it's Tyson that 43 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,879 it put me in a pretty awkward position both the guys, 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,599 and I'm quite close to them, but this is a 45 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,439 business at the end of the day, and the guys 46 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:31,159 if you have to, if they went in that direction, 47 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,719 then it's something we'd do because we've done it in 48 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:36,719 the past with guys that we you know, two guys 49 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:39,199 that we are we haven't you know, we work with 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,520 the other. I believe Tyson will wind a fight, but 51 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:45,199 if it were to be sick, what a great rematch 52 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,400 that would be between him and Daniel because it was 53 00:02:48,479 --> 00:02:52,719 quite controversial last time round, and certainly from my perspective, 54 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:54,719 and I've got my views on whether it was a 55 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:57,439 low blow or not, I think it was a legism 56 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:00,639 of punch. But anyway, he's grown up a lots. I mean, 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,039 he's probably when you look at Daniel, he's had four 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,800 fights in twelve months, which was against Lusik, who was 59 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:14,360 the undefeated heavyweight four belt champion at the time, three. 60 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,759 Speaker 1: Free belt but still still a type evyweight obviously. 61 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he had who was undefeated and he went 62 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,759 in there as an underdog. He then thought Babe Miller 63 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:28,840 who came back, who was undefeated, who was a top 64 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:33,159 ten ranked fighter. He then fought Hergovich for the interim title, 65 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:38,240 who was also undefeated, and again he when he's an 66 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:40,560 underdog in that fight and done a job on her 67 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:44,240 diddition obviously with a j two time world champion, Olympic 68 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:47,479 gold medalist. I can't think of many heavyweights at this 69 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:51,400 stage of the stage of the career. He's at a 70 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,400 fourth literally first of all fault four times in a 71 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:56,879 year against such good quality fighters. 72 00:03:57,439 --> 00:03:59,439 Speaker 1: Well. Also, Frank, think about it like this. When he 73 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:03,120 fought it was he got the opportunity he he you know, 74 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,840 and you and I certainly had a public disagreement about 75 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,199 our thoughts on that, and I'm glad we can put 76 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,000 that aside. Uh, But he didn't win the fight, and 77 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:12,360 it was kind of a low point for him, and 78 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:14,639 then for him to bounce back from that in the 79 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:17,600 manner in which he did, uh, and to dust himself 80 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:19,360 off and not just win the fights like you mentioned 81 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,399 against Jerald Miller and then in the fight after that, uh, 82 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,319 against Philip Perkovic and then obviously Joshua. To me anyway, 83 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,040 as an observer of boxing for you know, decades, myself 84 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:31,319 here covering it, writing about it, et cetera, like to 85 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,639 see a guy go from being basically on the scrap 86 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,519 heap to a lot of people to winning very impressively 87 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:41,199 and then again against Joshua. What does that tell you 88 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:44,160 about like his mentality, that he could kind of recover 89 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,720 from what had to be a very difficult time after 90 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:47,519 the USIK loss. 91 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: Well, he had, I mean a lot of people, let's 92 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,199 say it was people said they basically, you know, he 93 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,040 didn't have out and some people even said, you know, 94 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,800 said things like Quita, I'll never agreed with that. So 95 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,199 and I felt that, you know, since the music fight 96 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,959 done him a favor in many ways, you know, because 97 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:10,079 he had to get he grew up after that fight. 98 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:12,759 I said to him, Look, you knew you had the 99 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:16,959 power to hit, to hurt him, and you allowed your 100 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:21,839 frustration with a referee to get into your mind. And 101 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,000 that's not what it's about. You know, you have to 102 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:27,800 be your own referee. You've got you're very capable, we 103 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,439 got a very good job. You're very fast on your feet, 104 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,480 and you've got and you're very powerful puncher with both 105 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:37,399 hands and that. And we sat and talked about it, 106 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,600 and he watched the fight back, and we watched it 107 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,720 back a few times and I think that's been the 108 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,639 making of him. I think he's at the grittiest teeth. 109 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:48,079 I think he's matured mentally because he's he's quite you know, 110 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:51,879 he's a very introverted guy. I mean, even after this fight, 111 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,040 the last fight, he didn't want to do the press 112 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:55,920 come for us. He said, don't want to go home, 113 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,480 and that's I mean, that's serious. He just wanted the 114 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:02,959 guy he doesn't like, you know, the publicity side of 115 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,399 the sport, he has no time for. It's once you 116 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,480 get him there, you know, you're talk and so forth. 117 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,040 But getting him there is hard work. And you know, 118 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,519 as I say, he mentally, he's really he's really really 119 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,720 has matured. And physically he's got stronger, and he's I 120 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:20,639 mean he's only twenty seven a couple of weeks ago, 121 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,759 and that's quite younger, you know for a heavyweight. And 122 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,160 and you know, I just feel he can go from 123 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,399 strength to shrimps now. I mean, this is exciting times 124 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,879 for him and for the heavyweight division, because one thing's 125 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:36,319 for sure, whether you like him or you don't, you've 126 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:37,759 never seen him in a boring fight. 127 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: That's true enough. And as you mentioned, at age twenty seven, 128 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,240 He's basically the youngest of the top contenders and champions 129 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:46,839 there in the sport, in the division right now. And 130 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,800 you know, look Tyson Fury and Joshua and who was sick. 131 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:52,199 I mean, they're also outstanding fighters, but they're not getting 132 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:53,879 any younger. I mean, Dani or maybe around for a 133 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:57,000 number of years once those guys, you know, exit the stage. 134 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,199 But you know, one thing I got to say, I 135 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:02,199 respect a lot, is that when he lost the fight 136 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,160 the way he did against against Joe Joyce a few 137 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,279 years ago, and then the way he lost against Usik, 138 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,600 Frank Warren never waivered. You stuck by him. You always, 139 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 at least publicly spoke very highly of him, and you know, 140 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:16,920 never seemed to back away from keeping him, you know, 141 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,040 in the spylight and putting him back in fights and 142 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:21,199 building him back up. What was it that you saw 143 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,240 about him? Where in my experience anyway, after the second 144 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:27,319 loss to Usik, the way that that happened, a lot 145 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,639 of promoters might have, like you know, distanced themselves to 146 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,920 some degree or not made him a priority. But that's 147 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,839 not what you did, No. 148 00:07:34,959 --> 00:07:38,279 Speaker 2: Because I genuinely believe them that. You know, sometimes it 149 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:41,959 takes but you can be mature physically and not mature, 150 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:45,360 you know, mentally fight wise. And I just felt that 151 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,480 I just thought it was there. I think I think 152 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,279 he allowed. He allowed in the fight with Usik, he 153 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,720 allowed the referee to get him. I thought the referee 154 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:57,839 was very fussy. He kept stop stopping the fight, you know, 155 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,959 at the low blow stuff. I mean, even when wanted 156 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,120 to continue, he said no, no, take more time, and 157 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,759 went nonsense. And it was nearly it was nearly four minutes. 158 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,439 And there was a couple other moments in the fight 159 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:11,079 which I weren't happy with, and the referee didn't give 160 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,480 the correct instructions at the beginning. But that that that 161 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,480 happens in boxing. We've all been there, We've seen things 162 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,360 like that over the years. But you got to have 163 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,680 if you're a fighter, you've got to have a mindset 164 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,480 that you know you're in the other guy's backyard. I 165 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:26,600 know the fight was in Poland, but the majority of 166 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,720 the I think it's forty seven thousand crowd, you know, 167 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,360 probably ninety percent of them were Ukrainians. So you're in 168 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:35,120 the other guy's backyard. And if you want the title, 169 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:36,519 you've got to go and get it. You've got to 170 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,600 go and fight for it and rip it off of him. 171 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:44,080 And he just he just allowed allowed the referee the 172 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:46,519 fussiness at times of the referee allowed that to get 173 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,399 to him. And that's not acceptable and it's not good enough. 174 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,639 And as I say, you know, you know when he 175 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,159 looked back at the fight, I know he thought hisself 176 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,440 and we had the discussion about this, is that you 177 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,360 know I should have won this. I had the palats 178 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:03,840 to do it. I could hurt him. I gave him 179 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:07,919 up until the tires and unification fight. He gave Usik 180 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,440 He's toughest fight, no doubt about that. He did see 181 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,919 him what nobody else has done, which would really hurt 182 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,480 the man and those Sick's a great fighter, by the way, 183 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,840 but it's it was the making of him. And you know, 184 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,519 for me, it's not the end of the world when 185 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:24,440 a fight gets beat and it's how you get beaten 186 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,759 the more importantly, how you deal with it and come back. 187 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,039 Speaker 1: So when you made the fight with Joshua, I know 188 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,279 you were supportive of Daniel. You thought he had a 189 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,960 great chance to win, that he would win, he had 190 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,399 the power uh to do. Maybe what he did. We've 191 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,120 seen Anthony Joshua had been stopped before when he had 192 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,600 to fight with in Deuries. But Frank, let's be honest here, 193 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,960 I don't think anybody, even if you were a Daniel 194 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,759 Dubois supporter, thought that he was going to go in 195 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,879 the ring and get ten a ten nine, ten eight 196 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:54,120 and then knock him out clean with one shot. Like 197 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,600 nobody thought it would be that easy. You couldn't have 198 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,159 thought it was going. 199 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: To be like that. Now. I felt, I genuinely felt, 200 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,039 and I said before the fight same as I said 201 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,759 before the Hurgovich fight. I know he's got the power 202 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:07,759 to if he catches you, you're in trouble. He's a 203 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:12,080 good finisher. But I felt for the Joshua. Certainly, with 204 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,600 a Joshua fight, it was it was going to be 205 00:10:14,639 --> 00:10:17,480 whoever went on the back foot was going to struggle 206 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,320 because they're both offensive fighters. And for Daniel, he's got 207 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,039 a superb jab and what he was lacking certainly in 208 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,320 the Hurgovich for that fight, was a lot of head movement. 209 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,639 But if you look in that fight, he was three 210 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:32,039 his jab and he was moving he said, like little shimmy, 211 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:34,600 so you know, he was just rolling working his way in. 212 00:10:34,919 --> 00:10:38,639 But the first meaningful jab that he hit AJ with 213 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,279 his head snapped back. That was that was for me, 214 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,759 was the most meaningful moment in the fight because once 215 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,000 he did that, he was I knew that AJ would 216 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:51,720 go on his back foot. And after that, as you say, 217 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:54,559 I mean, he managed to put him down on the floor. 218 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,240 And that was a ten eight round and same in 219 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,000 the neck round. But then if you look at the 220 00:10:59,039 --> 00:11:02,279 penultimate round, a J H were a really good up 221 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,360 upper cut. He caught him with a good upper cut 222 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,200 and he greatly see from come through that. And then 223 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,200 the fifth round he's corner. They used the words they said, 224 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:12,759 you know they're going to come out now and roll 225 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:15,360 the dice, basically go for it, and that that that 226 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,480 for me, was his downfall. 227 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: That was a bad mistake. 228 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:23,039 Speaker 2: Well I think for them at that stage. So you know, 229 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,320 if you look at the scoring of the rounds, what 230 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,840 was he must have been about five rounds behind. 231 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,399 Speaker 1: I know he had lost. He had had three ten 232 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,679 eight rounds against him in a ten nine round where 233 00:11:34,039 --> 00:11:35,519 you know, even though he did get dropped, he still 234 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:37,600 lost the round. So the wires way ahead. 235 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, so seven seven rounds up. But the thing and 236 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,480 that means that at that stage that a J's got 237 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:48,159 to stop him to win. But what when he did that? 238 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,559 And again I said it before the fight, it's going 239 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,639 to be about it's about the counter punch when they 240 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:59,159 when he lets his right hand go, he leaves himself 241 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:03,279 very vulnerable. He leaves hisself vulnerable. The chin's out. And 242 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,559 then and he counted and caught him after a J 243 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,080 caught him with a tremendous shop by the week and 244 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,919 and you know, for me, again it was not just 245 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:13,159 about who's the biggest puncher, who's got the best chin, 246 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,679 and Daniel's got a big, a good chin. I mean 247 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,879 there's one a chin, one a chim. Problem with the 248 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,759 fight with Joe Joyce, I mean he had four fractures 249 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:24,360 of his of his of the orbital bone. 250 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a guy. I may have given him 251 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:29,919 a lot of grief after the USIG fight, but I 252 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,519 was like, you know, anybody given Daniel grief for what 253 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,399 happened in the Joys fight doesn't understand how hard that 254 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:36,799 injury is. That's a legit injury. 255 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a life and you know it's a 256 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,399 career ending injury because he's he's he's retinam was was 257 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:49,480 was coming away. As the doctor said, it was you know, 258 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:53,120 if it had gone on any longer, it would detached completely. 259 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:55,559 And and you know, and as I say in and 260 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,240 again in the other fight, I mean, he got caught 261 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,879 with jab in that fight, and it was just like, 262 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,879 you know, it's a peculiar. It's a very peculiar situation. 263 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,600 It's not like he's taken you know what we was 264 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,159 saying boxing, you know, a belting or anything. He's not 265 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,759 had a good he's not been hurt badly in any fight, 266 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,440 and he has got a good chin. I mean, she 267 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,639 must have caught him with a good I would say 268 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,960 good fifteen jam for sure, fifteen right hands in the 269 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:22,159 first couple of rounds, which is which I didn't like 270 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,440 by the way they absorbed them. And he gritted his 271 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,720 safe and come through. So you know, he's grown up now, 272 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,080 and uh, and he's on a high and he's got 273 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:32,799 and he's got a lot of confidence. And you don't 274 00:13:32,799 --> 00:13:33,919 brow his confidences. 275 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,399 Speaker 1: He looked that way. And I don't make a lot 276 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,759 of the body language when a guy's coming into the ring, 277 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:42,799 but it was very noticeable watching the broadcast. Did he 278 00:13:42,879 --> 00:13:44,279 didn't look like he had a care in the world 279 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,159 coming to the ring, like no nerves, just cool and poised, 280 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,759 like he's just going out for a nice launch with 281 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:53,559 his pals or something like that. And then, uh, you know, 282 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,080 in that kind of atmosphere ninety something that ninety eight 283 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,519 thousand people you know hit the home stadium. Uh, you know, 284 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:02,120 most the Anthony Joshua fans, although I'm sure because he's 285 00:14:02,159 --> 00:14:06,879 also British was definitely were You're right, So can you 286 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,919 just speak to like the atmosphere of that night and 287 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,240 how he handled that spotlight. 288 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: We again when we made the fight, the fight was 289 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:19,759 made that the winner of Ergovich and Daniel would would 290 00:14:19,879 --> 00:14:22,879 fight Joshua, and Joshua's the attraction. He's the more well 291 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,799 known fighter out of them all and it was his 292 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,039 and the part of the deal was and I wanted 293 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,720 the fight, so I believe he'd beat both of them. 294 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:31,639 It was that the winner would have sort of the 295 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,679 winner of that fight would ring walk would be first. 296 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:37,879 Even though you know it's for the interest. It then 297 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:40,679 became for the interim title, and then it was upgraded 298 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:44,759 after Usik vake cases the titled to a four IBS. 299 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,080 So he walks in as the world champion. Second, that 300 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:52,120 he was focused. You know, he was on it, as 301 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:55,320 you quite rightly say. And the crowd, the majority of 302 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,840 the crowd, I would say probably you know, ninety percent 303 00:14:57,919 --> 00:15:00,799 of the crowd were behind a j because let's get 304 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,600 it right, for the Brits, he was a gold Medacine Olympics, 305 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:04,480 two time world. 306 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: Champions, a superstar. That's the bottom moment. 307 00:15:06,879 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's not. He's not just a boxing a champion. 308 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:12,720 He's a sports star over it. You know, he's crossed 309 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:17,639 over to the general public. And but I said, they'll 310 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,320 cheer him going in, but I promise you to cheer 311 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:23,799 cheer Daniel going out because I know the performancey have 312 00:15:23,879 --> 00:15:26,039 put in and that's exactly what happened with him. 313 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:28,399 Speaker 1: If you do a rematch is they're going to be Duir, 314 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:32,519 Joshua and Jubai walk. Second, this time, he's. 315 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,159 Speaker 2: The champion, he's the boss. Now, don't worry. I mean, 316 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,440 I've got to say if he was, if he was 317 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:41,200 to fight the winner of Tyson and Alexandra of then 318 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:42,960 obviously they're they've got. 319 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: The three one of the round, the three belt. 320 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: You know, that is what it is, and that's the 321 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,240 courtesy of it all then, but look, at the end 322 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:54,159 of the day, it was about having getting your getting 323 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,960 the fight, getting that opportunity and showing what he was 324 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,200 all about, and him demonstrating as I say that you know, 325 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,120 he deserved to be there and he's certainly done it 326 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,320 in Stall he'd done it better, stole and authority with 327 00:16:05,399 --> 00:16:06,120 that was for sure. 328 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,879 Speaker 1: Well, the one thing I countented about Frank is when 329 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,240 he beat Joshua the way he did, he beat him 330 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:14,600 way easier and way more decisively, frankly than Alexander Russik 331 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:15,279 did in two fights. 332 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:19,279 Speaker 2: Without doubt, I mean, without a doubt, he absolutely done 333 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,720 a jobble on him. I mean he destroyed him. He 334 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:24,840 absolutely destroyed him. There was you know that was he 335 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:27,960 just you know, as I say, he showed these boxing 336 00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:31,039 goodies in boxing, and what impressed me in that flight 337 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,279 was the head movement because that was lacking in the 338 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Herviivic flight. 339 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,039 Speaker 1: Well, you've mentioned a few times about the upcoming fight 340 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,200 December twenty first that you know you're obviously heavily involved 341 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,840 with that will take place in read the rematch between 342 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,080 Alexander Russik and Tyson Fury for the belts that Usak 343 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:49,639 has and I'm curious if you could just just give 344 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,639 me your take on I know you you know, I 345 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:55,200 saw Tyson was at the fight between Joshua and Dubois. 346 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:59,320 Anything that that's interesting or notable about his preparation for 347 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:01,720 this fight as he goes into a rematch coming off 348 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:03,320 of what was the first defeat of his career. 349 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,559 Speaker 2: Well, he'd be going to camp next month ocs till 350 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,119 she's probably in a bit about the second week of October. 351 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,279 He's in. He's in a very good frame of mind, 352 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,839 good condition. And I think this the fight between Lusik 353 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,880 and Tyson's who what who did it take the most 354 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,599 out of because it was quite a grueling fight for 355 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,440 both of them. I mean I went to the bread 356 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:35,720 dressing room arf was to contract congratulate Usik, And I'll 357 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:37,960 tell you what you know, you knew, he knew, and 358 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,480 I certainly knew looking at and he'd been in a fight, 359 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,279 and certainly with Tyson. You see that ninth round, I mean, 360 00:17:44,319 --> 00:17:47,200 it was quite a devastating ninth round, but he manages 361 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:49,920 to keep himself up with it. Probably would have helped 362 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,960 of his heart on the ropes that he did do 363 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:56,559 and came through, came through a very tough time to win. 364 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,400 He certainly won the last round, but it was a 365 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,920 fight to Halves and for coming away from that fight 366 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:08,160 and having spoken with him, it's how he How can 367 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,240 I put it, you know, is if he can do 368 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,160 which I believe he can do what he did in 369 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,200 the first half of the fight, because going into that 370 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:20,440 it was the eighth round, it was Jake frown. Going 371 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,480 into the eighth round. Seventh round, Tyson caught him with 372 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:26,759 a really good uppercut and his legs went, I mean, 373 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,160 and everybody around me all said the same thing is 374 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,359 stopping him in the next round. But he came out 375 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:34,519 was sick, and I mean, he came out like a 376 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,000 like a great hand coming out of the traps, and 377 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,640 he caught him. He caught Tyson with a shot on 378 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:43,200 it's like on the tip of his nose. And for 379 00:18:43,319 --> 00:18:46,880 some reason Tyson lost all his composure of everything. And 380 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,000 if you watched the fight back, he keeps touching his 381 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,119 nose on the top of his head. And he told 382 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,039 me afterwards when we talked about it, he said, for 383 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,519 some reason he had he caught him. It was like 384 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,799 a shot that hit him on the nose. He said 385 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:01,319 that the pain was very strange that it's shot up 386 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,160 into his into his forehead and that, and it just 387 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:06,839 he didn't look comfortable and obviously had that terrible round 388 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,200 in the ninth round and and managed to get through it. 389 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:12,440 So it's a fight at two ours at the end 390 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,519 of the day. And as I say, for me, I 391 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,799 feel Tyson as the I mean, they're both both got 392 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,680 great boxing brains, they go both got massive arts, as 393 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,839 can Tyson do what? Can Tyson do what he did 394 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,200 in the early part of the finance fight and sustain that? 395 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:31,359 And I believe he can do it, and I do 396 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:32,839 think he'll be well. 397 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are very much looking 398 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,839 forward to the rematch given how outstanding the first fight was, 399 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:38,759 and I wonder, I mean, we've seen the types of 400 00:19:38,839 --> 00:19:42,200 shows that that you and the Saudi's and the Turkey 401 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:44,799 al Chic and everybody involved in these big events have 402 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,440 put on these these wildly deep, excellent undercards. Nothing specific 403 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:51,799 that is there other than they've said that the junior 404 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:54,440 middleweight ser Boachoup will be on this undercard. But I 405 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,759 gotta figure if you're doing another big heavyweight championship fight, 406 00:19:57,839 --> 00:20:00,319 knowing all the heavyweights you rattled off earlier. There's got 407 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,160 to be some other heavyweight action. It's going to be 408 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,519 on this card, whether it's Zang or Uh you know, 409 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,359 Joseph Parker in a fighter or whoever. Can you shed 410 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,119 any light on what we may see on this undercard. 411 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,240 I know a lot of people are instead of one 412 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:13,640 of their maybe fights will be on that shore, particularly 413 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,839 if they're heavyweight fights involved. 414 00:20:16,759 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: There's going to be heavy there be heavyweight fights, and 415 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,920 there'll be another read season early in the new year 416 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,640 as well. So that we've been working on those cards, 417 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,000 there's still some things to be done. And you know 418 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,279 that sat down with with ag And and he's actually 419 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,759 he left he left the UK last night. We've had 420 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,079 had some quite serious meetings and good meetings regarding the 421 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,440 fights that we're putting together. So you're going to see 422 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:53,440 all the heavyweights and you know you've got uh Cab 423 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,200 or be out, You've got Babe Miller or be back 424 00:20:57,279 --> 00:20:59,920 in action, I mean all of them. You know, all 425 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:02,920 these guys are going to be fights in various fights, 426 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,319 so six fights in times once and once we're in 427 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,079 a position that can be announced, I think everybody's going 428 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:08,880 to be over the moon with it. 429 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: So you're talking about. This would be either for either 430 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,960 for December twenty first or for their first card in 431 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,240 the next year, you know early, Well. 432 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,279 Speaker 2: There'd bell be spread across the two dates. There'll be 433 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,319 a big, fabulous undercard for the twenty first, and there'll 434 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:25,799 be a great undercard for the show earlier in the 435 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,920 new year, and they will be there will be quote 436 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,480 always the only shows. 437 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: Have been quality alled away from Yeah, for sure, and. 438 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 2: Adie and I would probably do another another Queensbury b 439 00:21:39,079 --> 00:21:39,759 Metrum show. 440 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought that up because that was 441 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:43,880 the next topic I wanted to ask you. With Daniel 442 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,759 dubir uh not only defeating Joshua but really knocking him 443 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:52,039 out basically cold. You just can't lose, your guys can't 444 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:53,920 lose against the Mattrum guys. I mean, I don't know 445 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,400 the exact number, but you won all five of the 446 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,200 fights in the five v five. You won the fight 447 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,480 between your side, won the fight between josh I'm sure 448 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:06,079 there's some other fights on. Not thinking about how how 449 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,839 many fights in a row has Queensberry fighters defeated matchroom 450 00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:11,440 fighters and do you know the number off the top 451 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:11,839 of your head. 452 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:16,759 Speaker 2: Well, we've done fairly well. I mean Nick Ball, Nick 453 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,799 Catchy beat. 454 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: Cardina, that's true. I forgot about that one. 455 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick Ball came through. We've done. We and ca 456 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:31,680 Catchy one again against Josh Warrenton on the last show, 457 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,200 so we you know, we've done. Okay, we've got We've 458 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,160 got a couple of good fights coming up on the 459 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,200 show on October and twelfth. Got the first women's title 460 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:43,559 fights ever take place in the in the Kingdom, so 461 00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:46,119 that's going to be interesting. It's quite historic as well 462 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,839 as far as women's popsy is concerned. And it's one 463 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,319 of this raven Chapman against guy that the Australian girls. 464 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,279 That's actually a good fight, yes, kind of. That's actually 465 00:22:57,319 --> 00:22:59,720 a very very good fight. So there's some good fights 466 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,160 there's been, you know, I would say it's been for 467 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,160 we're delighted with the results that they have been meaningful fights, 468 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,799 all of them. They've been really good quality fights. And 469 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,160 it's been a bit of an eye opener to be honest, 470 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,759 working with working with Matra and Eddie, because you know, 471 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,000 we're all working hard to make this thing a success. 472 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: But you gotta love kicking his asny fights, don't you. 473 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,240 I mean you know you you're your competitor. You guys 474 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,400 are better than business as well as your guys in 475 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:24,680 the ring. 476 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: Well, I always want my guys to win. And you know, 477 00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:30,319 let's say, when we make the five B five, it 478 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,240 wasn't about you know, their five against our five. It 479 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,599 was about when we picked the wakes, picking a guy 480 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,920 for each of the wakes to win the fights. And 481 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,279 we were and I was asked before the fight and 482 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,920 what was our best chance of winning? And I said 483 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,920 at the time, I think all my guys can win 484 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,039 each of their fights. We've we've picked a team to 485 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,200 win each fight. And you know Amsa Sharans Sharaz, who's 486 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:56,839 come through a good game, won a game on Saturday. 487 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:01,359 I mean, he's he's becoming him. 488 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,799 Speaker 1: Definitely going to ask you about him before I get 489 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:07,960 the sazo. Frank, you gotta love kind of maybe, I 490 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,359 don't know, maybe occasionally rub it into Eddi a little 491 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,079 bit because he talks so much shit, let's be honest, 492 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:13,839 much more shit than you talked about that. 493 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,519 Speaker 2: Well, we have a bit of fun. We have a 494 00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:18,720 bit of fun between us, and it's good. Yeah, it's 495 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:21,319 it's big, it's big good. And he's you know, to 496 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,319 be honest, he's he's he's he's been quite he's taking 497 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,839 it well. And look, it's I just like what's going 498 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,480 on in boxing at the moment. It's taken a long 499 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,400 time for something like this to happen, and it's it's 500 00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,920 just great for everybody involved. Of course, we're all professionals 501 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:41,200 and we're in it to make money, but you know, 502 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:43,839 we actually do it do love the sport like yourself 503 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:48,599 as well, and and more importantly, the fighters are earning 504 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,160 tremendous percy from this real season and he's revitalized the 505 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,359 sport in a big, big, big way, certainly in the UK. 506 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:59,880 And I hope that show don't do out in the 507 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,720 read season show they did in LA that was. 508 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,559 Speaker 1: That was a that was a really good cut that 509 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,359 I was at that card and that was great. I 510 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,799 loved that. I mean, listen, it's one thing from to 511 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,039 do the big events in Saudi Arabia, and I get that, 512 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:13,440 but it would be wonderful if they can you know, 513 00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:15,559 they'll do their fair share of shows there, but if 514 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:18,480 they can at least do some regular shows here in America, 515 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,559 do some regular shows in the UK, that would be 516 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,039 I think even better. You think they'll come back to America, 517 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:24,880 come back to the UK. 518 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've had a great response to it, 519 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,720 and I'm sure down the road that that happened at 520 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,000 the moment that you know, up until the end of 521 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:35,880 Read Season, it's going to be all about Read for 522 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,160 obvious reasons, because that's that's that's how this all came about. 523 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:45,039 I mean Read Season. The Read Seasons is a multicultural event. 524 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,319 Is from It's much just about boxing. It's about all 525 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,039 different sports. I mean they have tennis tournaments and they 526 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,079 have equestrians right the UFC. You know, various very sports, 527 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,960 soccer and and also music, dance, poetry from not just 528 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,880 from Western Europe, the west of the Western world, also 529 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,640 from the Far East to the Middle East. It's a 530 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,160 multi cultural event and it's the good thing about it 531 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,160 is his excellency is a complete boxing junkie, a boxing nut, 532 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,440 and he's made this a major part of the season. 533 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,640 So you know, it's been fabulous. So the next runner 534 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,079 show we'll be in READONEMA. We'll see what happens after that, 535 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,279 you know, and they want to move forward in Dose 536 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:33,200 shows around the rest of the world. But it's it's 537 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,680 just been it's been phenomenal. It's been a phenomenal situation 538 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,319 and it's been quite an eye open and as I say, everybody, everybody, 539 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,160 but everybody's been working together on this and that's that's 540 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,160 refreshing to see. 541 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Hamza Sharaza. You mentioned, 542 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,799 I mean, he looked absolutely phenomenal. He blew away Tyler 543 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,039 Denny to win the European title only two rounds to 544 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:56,079 get rid of him. That was on the undercard of 545 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,319 Daniel Dubois against Anthony Joshua. Before that, you mentioned the 546 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,000 five v five. He had a very very impressive eleventh 547 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:06,839 round knockout against Austin M l williams uh in a 548 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:08,240 in a fight where I think a lot of people 549 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,839 weren't really sure, you know, because that was sort of 550 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,440 like an even fight on paper. It seemed to me 551 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,640 he gets to win. And now you know, he seems 552 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,200 to be like near the top of a middleweight division 553 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,400 that you know, understandably at this moment in time is 554 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,559 you know, it's not making anybody remember the days of 555 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,160 Marvin Hagler, even Bernard Hopkins, but uh, he seems like 556 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,519 a guy that can go an off the long way 557 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:29,640 where do you see him going in his next you know, 558 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,680 a couple of fights as it on to a potential 559 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,319 world championship opportunity. You got a unified champion in Jannebec 560 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,880 who's got a defense coming up. You got Carlos A 561 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,960 Damas who's with PBC. You got Arizoni Laar who just 562 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:44,000 recently defended his title. What do you think for Hamsa 563 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:45,559 down the road in the next fight or two? 564 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: Hink his next flot will be for a world tisle 565 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,960 looking a young man and that fot that flat Gangs 566 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,319 Sama was quite interesting. You'll clips a couple of times 567 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,599 in that fight he dealt with it will and coming 568 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,319 back and big what he had to do that he's 569 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,680 an extremely extremely good fighter, and he's not he didn't 570 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,200 come into the boxing with a massive amateur Pedy Bree 571 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,039 as such. He's done it. He's done it the hard way. 572 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,799 You know, we had every faith in him, kind of 573 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,720 guided him through to where he's at and there and 574 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:18,839 he's he's obviously done the business in the ring. But 575 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,920 I generally feel that he'll be Yeah, I think he'll 576 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,759 be around for a long time and it get better 577 00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:28,519 and better. He does remind me of that Tommy. I 578 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,799 know we're speaking of Tommy Holmes, who one of our 579 00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,519 certainly one of my heroes in boxing. But he's got 580 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:37,000 that sort of look of him that rangy long. No, 581 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,799 he's very loose, lind got long jab and quite tall 582 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:43,920 and for a big you know, for one of those 583 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,480 sort of mostly tall guys, they they sort of keep 584 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,079 it long for him. When he gets inside, it gets 585 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,480 real good upper cuts off a bit like Tommy used 586 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,640 to do, and it's you know, he's an exciting fighter. 587 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,920 He'll be in the exciting fights and I'm hoping that 588 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,200 same bloody end of the year he'd be fighting one 589 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,880 of these girls guys for the world title. 590 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,079 Speaker 1: So you mentioned you brought him along from the beginning. 591 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,440 Another guy that you've had I think his entire career. 592 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,559 I'm not mistaking his nick Ball, who you mentioned earlier, 593 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,160 is now got the WBA featherweight title. I want to 594 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,519 ask you a little bit about him because he has 595 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:17,920 a fight coming up against the veteran Ronnie Rios, who's 596 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,799 challenged for world titles in the past. Always given a 597 00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:22,359 good effort when he's been in the ring, even if 598 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,799 he hasn't won the fight. He fights November the fifth 599 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,480 in that fight against Ronnie Rios, and just tell me 600 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,000 your thoughts. I know, you know you thought that he 601 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,400 he got the draw against ray Vargas. You thought he 602 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,720 won the fight. A lot of people thought he won 603 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,559 the fight. He looked absolutely tremendous in an excellent fight 604 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,440 when he took the title off of ray Ford in 605 00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:41,880 June in one of the five on five wins. What's 606 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,640 what's the ceiling for nick Ball? Because to me, he's 607 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,079 one of the most exciting fighters in boxing. 608 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with it. I mean, he's just he's 609 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,119 like a Dyna bo. I mean, everything is all action. 610 00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:57,480 You know, you think he was Mexican Robert Well, he 611 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,640 walks forward, he's just let's he should us go. He's exciting. 612 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,200 He's hurtful, but he's but he's also a good box 613 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,039 and he's quite hard to hit. He's quite He's not 614 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,720 a very tall, not very tall fighter, but he you know, 615 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,000 he's got very good defense. And I thought, I mean 616 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,000 that that first title fight that he had against Vargas, 617 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:18,759 I thought he won that and I thought as a 618 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,559 bad decision certain from one of the judges score him 619 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:25,400 as atrocious and and obviously he won the next one. 620 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,519 He should really be the two times to to to 621 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,279 belt or two time world champion. I feel, you know, 622 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,000 he's got the homecoming fight in Neverpool. Tickets have gone 623 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,519 extremely well, that's gonna be a good night on the fifth, 624 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,240 that's next Saturday, the fight takes place. He's fight and 625 00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:46,400 that's gonna been very, very exciting. It's gonna be a 626 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,559 great night. We've got some really good young fighters from 627 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,599 that area northwest of in the UK up in Liverpool 628 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,960 and Andrew Kanes on there, got a young Cuban on 629 00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,759 there and he's gonna be a fabulous, fabulous night we've got. 630 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,119 I mean, we're blessed the talent. We made a big 631 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,839 decision as regarding what we've been doing in the last 632 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,680 sort of six years, and that was, you know, to 633 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,160 focus on British talent. That we've done that, and we've 634 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,279 done even Stalin. I think we've got probably the best 635 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:20,359 group of young fighters now, certainly in Europe, may in 636 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,160 America as the amount of them, and we will be 637 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,920 promoting shows America next year. We're coming to the States 638 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,680 to do some shows. 639 00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'm only disappointed unless you tell me otherwise. I 640 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:32,640 don't think that that fight between Nick Ball and Ronny 641 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,400 Rios is on any American outlet unless you tell me otherwise. 642 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: I'll have to check that with that, guys, I mean, 643 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:41,519 I hope he is, or someone's going to be in trouble. 644 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: Well, if you need anybody's number at top rank to 645 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,559 get it on ESPN Plus, let me know. But you 646 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,359 mentioned about the American talent this. I want to wrap 647 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,160 up with this because I think this is very interesting. 648 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,279 You mentioned about your talent base. You have obviously a 649 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,640 vast amount of quality in your stable of fighters from 650 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,279 Europe and the UK, but recently you started to kind 651 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,079 of quietly if if it seems to me signing some 652 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,000 non Brits and including a couple of Americans, You've never 653 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,279 really been a guy to sign Americans. You signed the 654 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,720 one hundred and forty pound unbeaten contender Brandon Lee, who's 655 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,359 I think right on the verge of fighting for a 656 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,000 world title. You signed the excellent amateur who's only I 657 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,720 think had one fight when you signed in al he's 658 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,240 two and oh. You signed the super middleweight Nathan Lugo, 659 00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:24,000 and then recently you signed again not an American, but 660 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:26,839 the Ukrainian heavyweight who's now based out I guess in 661 00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,759 the United States six foot four, two hundred and fifty 662 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:35,400 pounds Vladislav Sirenko, who's twenty one to oh with eighteen knockouts. 663 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,920 I'm wondering from your perspective, I mean, since most of 664 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,359 the shows you do are UK based, even with the 665 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,079 fights you're doing with the folks in read, what was 666 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,720 the sort of the reason to go and pursue non Brits, 667 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:50,559 non Europeans, bringing you know, the American fighters to your. 668 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:56,039 Speaker 2: Stable all of a sudden, jewels to see the baser 669 00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,599 and the view is we've done. We've done what we've 670 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,440 done in the UK, and we're now have an extend America. 671 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,240 You know, I came out to I've done quite a 672 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,759 few shows in America years ago, when we we did 673 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,119 with Jay Lark in the late Jaylark did the show 674 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:17,880 show Box series. We've worked with certainly with with Showtime, 675 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:20,039 you know, very close to all that, a lot of 676 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,799 British fighters and in fact, I remember Barrera. We've you know, 677 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,720 we signed Antonio Barrera, he won the world title, as 678 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,720 we've done Journey Johnny Tapia. We did a show back 679 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,400 up and down in Texas with him, so we've you know, 680 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:37,680 we've we look revisit and all that. 681 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,279 Speaker 1: Now, so that's that's like twenty that's like twenty twenty 682 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:41,640 five years ago. It's been a while as the. 683 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,559 Speaker 2: Point, Yeah, absolutely, as you know, because we we we 684 00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:49,160 we we you know, we've we've changed the direction we 685 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:51,640 was going in. But that's what we're doing that. So 686 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,839 we signed these guys, and these guys will be on 687 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,599 Queens Rey shows in the US. 688 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,839 Speaker 1: Do you have an idea of when you'll do your 689 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,920 first American show and that's sort of where you'll do it. 690 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet, but it'll probably be in in 691 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:05,000 the spring. 692 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,199 Speaker 1: I'll look forward to that. I mean, I've I've followed 693 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,719 Brandon Lee pretty much since he turned pro, and uh, 694 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,159 you know I was there. You know Nathan had his 695 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,760 uh his second fight. You know you were there also 696 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,480 the fighter he had on the Santa Monica up here 697 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,000 a few nights before the Terrence Crawford Madromov card that 698 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,960 was the read season card in Los Angeles. He looked 699 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,960 good in that fight. So I'm looking forward to seeing, uh, 700 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,840 what what you're gonna do with these guys? Is the 701 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,880 plan now to maybe sign a few more Americans. If 702 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:31,960 it's guys that you think have the talent. 703 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, we don't want to overload it. 704 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:36,920 So if we want to, you know, what we want 705 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,239 to do is to be able to you know, if 706 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,800 we sign them and make sure that we can service 707 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,639 the contracts and give them the right files and that 708 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,000 it was not about once a quantity, It's about quality 709 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:48,320 and that's that's where we're and you know, and I 710 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,280 also want to do with some of that farers. Bring 711 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,280 them over there. Let the Americans sim you know, we've 712 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,599 got fans. France has managed as far as he's got 713 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:04,679 Moses A. Ta it was an unbelievably teenage heavyweight project. 714 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,480 Yeah yeah, I mean his kid is unbelievable. I mean, 715 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:13,159 he's very exciting. And then we've you know, he's got 716 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,760 he's got quite a few other fighters. Sat Young Sam 717 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,159 is a good fighter. So we've got quite you know, 718 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:20,480 we've got quite a good group of fighters that I'll 719 00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,239 feel that we can bring out there. They're exciting. I'd 720 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,480 like to see Nick Bull make his debut there as well. 721 00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:28,519 You know, he's the guys that I know that you know, 722 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,880 boxing fans will take to because they're exciting. 723 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:32,599 Speaker 1: I'd have to think if you're going to do shows 724 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:34,920 in America, you're going to need some kind of outlet 725 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:36,880 in terms of for a broadcast in America. I mean, 726 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,400 I know you've done shows, uh in conjunction with Top Rank. 727 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,599 They've put some of your events, even if they weren't involved, 728 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,840 to work with you to bring the fight into ESPN plus. 729 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,960 Are you Is there some kind of broadcast deal brewing 730 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,239 for for Queensberry's shows in America or U to have 731 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,000 a deal where you we know, we can see your 732 00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:56,920 shows regularly in the United States. 733 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, work with with talking about to a couple 734 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,599 of outlets and I'll think, I hope by the end 735 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,400 of the year with being a position to announce who 736 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,800 it's going to be with and then we can go 737 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,280 from now. 738 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: Well, look forward to it. You don't work, you can 739 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,199 always you always call me and drop the news. 740 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 2: Frank, we will do it. But we've we've definitely been 741 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,639 doing it, man. I mean that that is a guy 742 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,519 to happen. There you go. 743 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: I look forward to that. Frank has been a very 744 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,320 informative interview, very covering a lot of topics. I appreciate 745 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,679 your time very much. Thank you so much and good 746 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,320 luck with what's coming up in your big shows with 747 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,239 Nick Ball coming up next week with obviously what's going 748 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,679 to go down in Rea December twenty first, thank you 749 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,519 very much for your time. 750 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, I appreciate it and I's told to seeing 751 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,360 you in this spoint, if not before