WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.559 It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and carn 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:07.639 s e O and JP Sorrow. 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.199 He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling, 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:21.480 I never seen anything. 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:23.039 And it's the laps fan name by the one in 6 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:23.480 the ring. 7 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:24.960 Forget about Slado. 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:26.160 He the real king of swing. 9 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:26.960 When the bell. 10 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.000 Goes in and the kick like me throwing in the corner. 11 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:31.280 But it's lash like stick. 12 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:33.880 Even Jerry King can sake off the crowd. 13 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:36.640 Nodded in his head like it. Steve low Brown, would 14 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:37.560 you get low down? 15 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:39.079 Go even high up? 16 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:40.200 Flipp you on your head? 17 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:42.960 But you know cool driver, you speak more now and 18 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:45.920 dragon spits fire give you more shock than when head 19 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.640 treats higher drop a more truth than the con of 20 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.359 sniper unless you would a coconut. 21 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:53.039 Roddy Piper, Jack a JP. 22 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.479 He like j Y d drop the cupcakes and gold 23 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.799 the brain Bob means the best podcast. Frost start the 24 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.039 close cloud if you all it's a classic a pose. 25 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.480 You know it's been it's been some time since we 26 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:10.280 promised the Lapsed Fan Solar system. This week's episode buff Yes, yes, 27 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:13.599 it happened. The untimely passing of Sid last year. It 28 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:17.200 was perhaps easy to forget that we had promised listeners 29 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.159 another show that we pulled it random out of the hat. 30 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.560 We run a roll in that regard before we decided 31 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.560 to go all in on SID And I don't know, 32 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.040 did we forget what happened to World War three nineteen 33 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:26.640 ninety six? 34 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:29.959 Well, I don't think we forgot. I think, you know, 35 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:32.159 it's actually been on the table quite a few times, 36 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:36.120 but then just something's come up and it's like, well, 37 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.239 we should probably do this first, and then well, you know, 38 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:40.840 we'll do it after that. And then well, you know, 39 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:42.599 we should probably do this first, and then we'll do 40 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:45.920 it after that. And you know, I mean, hey, better 41 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:47.760 late than never, you know, it is I guess we 42 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:49.799 can always try to push World War three back. Isn't 43 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:50.480 that a good idea? 44 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:53.280 Yeah, we should probably uh prolong that as long as 45 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:54.879 we can, not the war, but the arrival of it. 46 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:58.480 Exactly after watching the show, I kind of feel like 47 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:01.640 we should have waited another future. It's not that bad. 48 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:03.799 We probably should have just said, you know what, we 49 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:05.079 did it, you know, don't you remember. 50 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.439 But it's so funny how like people are still every 51 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:09.680 you know, so many days they just send a message 52 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:12.159 to us, like it isn't gonna like day well, we 53 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.400 say we're gonna do a show like there is a 54 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.840 there is an hitch that needs to be scratched out 55 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:17.080 of there. 56 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.800 There is, there is, there is I mean, it's it's 57 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.199 and then you know, it's funny that I mean, I 58 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:26.319 guess this would be you know, in prime nWo era, 59 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:28.280 So I understand that. But it's like, you know, it's 60 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:30.319 just a fucking World War three, right is that? 61 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:30.520 Other? 62 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.520 Like we promised to do one of the most notable 63 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:36.360 wrestling pay per views of all time, but here we are. 64 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:40.400 It's back to nineteen ninety six w CW World War Three. 65 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.240 We've done a few of these, the second World. 66 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:45.520 War three and the chronology of the World War three 67 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:48.120 pay per view. Shouldn't this be World War four? 68 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:48.360 Then? 69 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.479 If we've already had World War three, it would be 70 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:55.840 funny if they did actually do that would be world 71 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.080 you know, at world War three, then world War you know, 72 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.680 obviously no World War one or World War two, but yeah, 73 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.719 world War three, four or five. That would be really 74 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:03.319 funny if they did. 75 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:05.439 But I highly supported it, because all you're doing is 76 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:09.639 invalidating what you called World War three. If the next 77 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:11.560 one doesn't have to be next. But you know there 78 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:13.919 are completists out there over ten years doing the show. 79 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.280 And maybe, maybe maybe if it was World War four, 80 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.479 that'd have to have four rings, a four ring Battle Royal. 81 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:20.719 It'd be the World War format. 82 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:22.439 Every time they add a year to it, they have 83 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:27.599 to add a ring six men won, six rings one 84 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:32.520 hundred men. It'd probably be just as easy to follow 85 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:33.719 as three ring sixty men. 86 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:35.560 It probably would at that point. 87 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.319 What's the difference And we'll get into all that because 88 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:40.479 we've done World War thres in the past, but completists 89 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.240 have noted. I mean this about finishes nineteen ninety six 90 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:44.719 WCW in the catalog. 91 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:46.280 Wow, does it really? 92 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:48.800 I think we're just about there done. Slam Burree is 93 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.680 missing an other than that, maybe Slare and what a 94 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:54.080 transformative year. We haven't done Halloween? Have we haven't done 95 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:58.319 Halloween Havoc? No, Only so that there's two with Hogan 96 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:02.080 and Savage and Piper Wan Svagy and the fucking the wig. 97 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.280 Oh oh, that's gonna be a good moment we get 98 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:09.280 to that. Hogan better be on cameo by then. I 99 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:11.520 story behind that fucking hair piece. 100 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.000 Yep. But Savage grabbing it and walking around like a 101 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.439 goofball with it, and in so many ways, I got 102 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:22.839 your fucking hair in so many ways. It explains a 103 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:23.399 lot of this show. 104 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:25.600 Piper comes in at the end, and here's the follow 105 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.160 on the contract signing at World War three to set 106 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:31.120 up the match between Hogan and Piper at Starcade. Yeah, 107 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.839 we also have the contractual status of Randy Savage being 108 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.079 way up in the air Halloween Havoc ninety six being 109 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:39.639 his last appearance for some time in WCW. Like legit, 110 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:43.800 legit contract, WWF was making a play. I'd invite you 111 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.439 to consider Randy coming back in ninety seven and WWF, 112 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.519 Oh my god, right in there with Austin and Hard. 113 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:57.120 What a fucking could you a Hogan? I mean, in 114 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:03.199 Austin Savage programs. Fuck my fucking that's insane. I mean, 115 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:05.319 that's insane. 116 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:09.759 But now WSW made it work, and Savage would soon 117 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.439 enough being the nWo in his own right. But it 118 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:14.439 was a fascinating time in WCW. 119 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:15.199 It really was. 120 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.199 The nWo was just starting to show signs of being 121 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.639 a ratings behemoth. Because as hot as the hoganhel turn is, 122 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.079 as hot as Hollannash coming in were it was still 123 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:25.720 kind of neck and neck with WWF for a little 124 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:27.639 while in terms of ratings, in terms of a sense 125 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:31.000 of company momentum, certainly ww was closing the gap. But 126 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:33.519 now by the fall as be under the Winner of 127 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:35.360 nine ninety six and A ninety seven, it's becoming clear 128 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:37.079 that they're running away with it. And then not only 129 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.279 is WWF losing ground, they are losing the war, right 130 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:42.399 it's because of the nWo, and one of the recent 131 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:45.519 additions to the stable right before the show was indeed 132 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.519 the Giant who of course Paul White triumphs in the 133 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.560 World War three Battle Royal to secure a shot at 134 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:53.360 the world title on this show, and that sets up 135 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.040 that ill fated NWA sold out pay per view that 136 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:01.079 we did in January nine ninety seven where awful, awful, 137 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.360 truly awful. And what that signals to us is that 138 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.279 a lot of what happens in WCW on this pay 139 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.879 per view and all the nitros around it and the 140 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.920 pay per views around it, is this blossoming idea which 141 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:13.959 is ill fated from the start, which we've talked about 142 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.519 for years on TLF, that the nWo starts to have 143 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:19.519 to become its own program, with its own roster, its 144 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.399 own announcers, its own television show, its own hour of nights. 145 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:25.160 Stupid and stop stop it. So just stop it. 146 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.639 On that pretense, Bischoff turns heel despite being WCW's executive 147 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:32.240 vice president because WCW needs an announcer. Apparently, No, they 148 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.439 don't with these guys going to wrestle. 149 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:39.959 Exactly that. I mean, it always comes down to that. 150 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:41.600 It always comes down to who the fuck are these 151 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:42.480 guys gonna wrest. 152 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.600 The nWo wrestles WCW ANDWCW shows, and WCW wrestles the 153 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.439 nWo and nWo shows. Aren't they both the same show? 154 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:50.360 Well? 155 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:51.759 I think that's the whole idea. They weren't going to 156 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:56.519 wrestle on oh my god, on on WS on nWo shows, 157 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.639 the nWo versus nwos. That's great? How that work? Which 158 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.120 how would that work? Sounds It's like, if you get 159 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.759 a whole faction of guys who are teaming together, doesn't 160 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:10.319 that kind of kind of make the whole point moot? 161 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:11.839 If they're feuding with each other? 162 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.120 What have we always said? Why was the nWo angle money? 163 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:18.000 It's because WCW is eventually going to beat them. Yes, 164 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:21.000 it's not because they become WCW. 165 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.439 And and and the other thing is there's a big 166 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:29.480 difference between between you know, loving to hate somebody and 167 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:33.079 actually loving them, like you know, they weren't babyfaces. They 168 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.360 were just guys you love to hate and you enjoyed 169 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:40.399 them for sure. But even though they were cheered, there 170 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.240 was no doubt in fans' minds they wanted them to 171 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.879 lose eventually. It was just a cool moment, right. 172 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.160 Any anybody you can point out in any audience at 173 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.319 WW at this point in time who was channing nWo, 174 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.279 And there were lots of them. I would bet donuts 175 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:54.879 to dollars that if you pulled every single one of 176 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:56.959 them aside and said, do you want the nWo to 177 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.199 beat Sting when Sting finally wrestles, they would all say 178 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:03.720 absolutely not right, because that would be fucking steamatch. Yes, 179 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.839 I want someone to show up and defeat this invading force. 180 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.439 But for now, it's such a hot angle and it's 181 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:11.560 so cool and it's so unpredictable that we're gonna cheer 182 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:14.879 for that because that's what's electrifying us right now. And 183 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.800 so they really drank that kool aid and just felt like, Okay, well, 184 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:19.759 no one cares about WCW because as soon as we 185 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:21.879 did the nWo angle, that's when we actually started winning 186 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:24.120 the ratings war. So now you know, nWo is the 187 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.399 only thing that really matters. So we're in that really 188 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.680 weird zone. It was funny when we covered the Who 189 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:32.440 Killed WCW series last year that weiss did. Remember Brian 190 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.919 Alvarez said, as far as he is concerned, w CW 191 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:42.320 started making decisions that would harm instead of help when bishoff, 192 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.679 turnheel and join the NBO, And that's right here, and 193 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:46.559 that's so early in the nWo angle that it seems 194 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.600 kind of silly to say that, like the die was 195 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.000 cast at that point. 196 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:55.320 He's not wrong. I don't know if he's right, but 197 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:57.639 he's not wrong. Yeah either, you know, I don't know 198 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.000 if that would have been a better choice or not. 199 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.000 I can see I can see the idea that once 200 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:08.080 you get somebody who's who's not a wrestler, who is 201 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:12.159 the real, you know, executive vice president of the company, 202 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.960 it kind of takes it kind of becomes a little 203 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.360 goof hokey in a way. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, 204 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:24.960 although you know it certainly the Vince McMahon heel idea 205 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:28.159 before Vince micmahon turned heeling. You know, so there is 206 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.720 there isn't him already doing it in nineteen ninety four 207 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.519 in Memphis, right, and I don't Right of course, listen 208 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:35.399 if I if I didn't see, it didn't happen. So 209 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.639 that's the way it goes. Yeah, but you know, like 210 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:42.679 there's there's they're like, it's it's weird. It's like it's great, 211 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.240 but it's also like it's just like you said, it's 212 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.159 o key, it's it's it. It kind of takes it 213 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:57.159 because because then really it allows for way more plot holes. Yeah, 214 00:09:57.519 --> 00:09:59.519 in the scenario because now you've got a guy, you 215 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.840 got the guy who runs WW so, like why doesn't 216 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:03.840 he just shut WWS? 217 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.360 Well where everyone has like a certain period of time 218 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.919 to declare their allegiance, but it's like why would so 219 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.399 what happens to the people who declare allegiance to WCW. 220 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.559 They never made that clear. They just kind of laid 221 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:17.159 that out. I said, you know, it's good drama, like 222 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.600 Bagwell turns the Night after World War Three on nitro, 223 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.159 but everyone agrees that the nWo started to kind of 224 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:27.679 get goofy when they added too many people. Everyone's list, though, 225 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:31.240 is different as to who represented one person too many, 226 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.240 and for some it's Bischoff. I didn't feel that way 227 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:34.960 at the time, but I mean, if you look at 228 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.639 it with the benefit of hindsight, it was kind of 229 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.120 the point where it's like, okay, so they're going to 230 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:41.559 like be the company, They're going to be the promotion. 231 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.279 Now, like right, no one wants that. No one. And 232 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.440 when they tried it and NBO took over Nitro, the 233 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:49.159 ratings took such a shit and the NBO sold out 234 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.159 pay per view with such a piece of shit that 235 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:53.679 it's abundantly clear that it's not going to work to 236 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:56.360 tear down all the WCW signs and put nWo banners 237 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.720 up that it is not it's money about this angle. 238 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:02.000 It was so money that they were able to still 239 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:06.679 realize incredible returns on this angle despite kind of that 240 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:10.919 off center aim that they seemed to have Teddy Byassi 241 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.080 was still in the mix. They were trying to, you know, 242 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.759 foster the idea that it was Teddy Byassi who was 243 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:19.200 bankrolling all of these ship jumps to the nWo like 244 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.639 the Giant and others right, And they had a in 245 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.519 mind for Teddybiyassi a role where he would be a 246 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:27.000 color commentator for the nWo Hour of Nitro or the 247 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.159 nWo television show Visa vis supposedly Eric Bischoff, who's talked 248 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:32.200 about his role in his mind being more of a 249 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.039 Gene Okerland like and he kind of does play that role, 250 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:36.759 Like when the NBO swarms the ring and does a 251 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:39.559 big promo, it's Bischoff holding the mic just like Gene 252 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.679 Okerland would if it was right. So that was the concept, 253 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.159 but eventually they learned, and it was wouldn't have took 254 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.279 much research to know this ahead of time that Teddy 255 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.440 Byassi is shit in the commentary position, like he's just oh, of. 256 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.600 Course, there's no idea how to get anybody else over. 257 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.639 He can't talk about others. He's about himself, which makes 258 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:01.080 him an absolutely wonderful pro wrestler, which he is. But yes, 259 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.840 not everybody's cut out to, you know, talk about others 260 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.799 in ways that elevate them and get storylines across et cetera. 261 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.320 It's not everyone's gift. They're making a play for mister 262 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.440 Perfect as well, who was doing color on WWF at 263 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.639 the time and who would be coming in quite soon. 264 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:17.639 But this is that weird period where oh yeah that 265 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:19.440 it was like he disappeared from WWF but he didn't 266 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.759 show up in WCW for like six months. 267 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:26.000 Yeah, that was that was so strange, wasn't it, Like 268 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:29.200 he just didn't he just wasn't there, and like he 269 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.399 was gone but he wasn't. Yeah, well, hey, you know 270 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.960 you gotta milk that Lloyds of London as much. That 271 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:34.399 was part of it. 272 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.399 Yeah, And there was also this There was also this 273 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:42.519 kind of showdown where McDevitt was sending legal letters saying, like, 274 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:45.679 you know, he is not eligible to leave right now, 275 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.440 you know, he's not out of his contract, and they 276 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:51.240 were taking issue with the Lloyds of London. Somehow headig 277 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.440 held it against WWF that they compromised his ability to 278 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:57.399 collect the full amount from Lloyds of London by making 279 00:12:57.440 --> 00:12:59.559 some representation or the other that would make Lloyds of 280 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:02.120 London thing that he actually wasn't as permanently disabled as 281 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.919 the insurance payout that he was due to get were indicated. 282 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.519 So he never had any love loss for them over 283 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.519 that whole thing. Eventually, he came in, but there was 284 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.480 some legal volleys before it could be consummated. But that's 285 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.000 something else that could have taken full shape. Here at 286 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.320 the end of nineteen ninety six, Roddy Piper comes in, 287 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.440 shows up at the end of Halloween Havoc and here 288 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:21.679 has the contract signing with Hogan and gets attacked by 289 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.200 the nWo. A ton of stuff going on. I remember 290 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.159 it very warmly because I was looking into WCW in 291 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:30.440 a way I never had before. It was Halloween Havoc 292 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.559 ninety six was the first ww pay per view where 293 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.600 I like insisted on getting it. I was just like, 294 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.240 I must get this, and really, yeah, it was. It 295 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:40.720 was an odd feeling because I was like, why do 296 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:42.519 I care so much about a WCW pay per view? 297 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:45.480 Why am I so dialed in on pay per view night? 298 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:47.559 And it was because, slowly but surely, the nWo stuff 299 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.320 on Nitro was getting the lion's share of my attention 300 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:52.159 on Monday nights. 301 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.200 Sure, sure, yeah, that happens. 302 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.080 And it's a fascinating time. But you know, World War three, 303 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:58.720 We've talked about this when we did the nine ninety 304 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.320 five edition and others. Well, there's only three of them right, 305 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.600 ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven, and ninety eight. 306 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.919 So ninety eight is the last one. Yeah, four total. 307 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.559 It's it's a tough watch the Battle Royal itself. Oh, 308 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.000 it's it's they're always hard. It's just it's not a 309 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.399 good it's not good. You know, it's not a fun 310 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:25.200 not a fun fucking event. It's because it's not a 311 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:27.600 three ring battle. That's just tough shit. You know, it's 312 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.440 tough shit to watch because you don't you can't focus 313 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.360 on three and they always have the split screen and 314 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.360 then they stop it for a little while and it's 315 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.720 just not you just got to knock it off. 316 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:39.200 Well, is there a better way to do it or 317 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.360 is it just an irredeemable concept from a production? 318 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:43.480 I don't know. I really don't know if if there's 319 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:47.519 a better way to do it or not. I I 320 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:49.600 want to say that there is, but I just don't 321 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:51.559 know what it is. Yeah, I'm not sure either. 322 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:53.960 They had three announced teams, one on each ring, two 323 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:57.039 guys each, and they had you know, situations where you'd 324 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.000 be having you know, three screens on at the same time, 325 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.039 and like the announcers are like, oh he went out, 326 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:03.840 he went out and you don't even see it. Like, right, 327 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:06.360 most of the eliminations in a World War three Battle 328 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.320 Royal you do not see. I don't have to say 329 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:09.919 I don't have to see all of them, but how 330 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.360 about I see more maybe half of them? 331 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:13.879 Right? 332 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:14.480 Is it really? 333 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:14.600 Like? 334 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:16.799 Why do we even care until the last ten minutes? 335 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:17.559 If that's the way it's. 336 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:19.960 Gone, I know, why do we care until they fucking 337 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:25.679 have the last twenty men join the one ring? 338 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:26.600 Yeah? 339 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.440 Right, which is always a good moment because it's like 340 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.480 clearing out, and from a live event perspective, if you're 341 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.279 sitting there in the Norfolk scope, I'm sure it's kind 342 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.000 of cool because you know, you can make the decision 343 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:38.519 about where you cast your gaze and you can focus 344 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:40.399 on three rings at once when you're there in person. 345 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:43.240 But on TV it's just it's a non starter. And 346 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:44.879 this drove it home all the more when I watched 347 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.080 it again here for this for this episode, it was like, 348 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.799 my god, like, you want full screen takeovers of whatever 349 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.720 ring they choose to focus on. Nobody wants that three 350 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:59.720 ring view. Not a soul alive that would select that. 351 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.360 Besides apparently Craig Leathers and the ww production team of 352 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.600 course demerit to them. Definitely a failure of imagination there, 353 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.279 or you know what it is, It's it's imagination running 354 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:13.799 rampant instead of doing it simply. 355 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:18.960 Well, it's it's imagination running rampant. It's also it's also 356 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:27.720 just I don't know how to say it. I really 357 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:29.519 don't know how to say it. I mean, it's like 358 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.559 it's it's lack of focus. It's lack of I mean 359 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:35.720 in a wad way, it's lack of a lack of imagination. 360 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:37.240 It's just like just just it's not the foresight. 361 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:39.840 You have the foresight to realize and you're gritting out 362 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:41.679 the production this way that this is going to kind 363 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.399 of be a kind of going to be a pointless 364 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.879 watch at home for a while, right, right, And we 365 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.639 might just bite the bullet and have full screen takeover 366 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:51.320 of whatever ring we choose to focus on it in 367 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.440 a given time, running the risk, because the point is 368 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.480 even with three screens, you don't you still don't even 369 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.799 see most of the eliminations. If you're doing that so 370 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.279 that the fan has eyes on everything, so that theory 371 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.679 they don't miss anything, they miss so much more because 372 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:04.519 the picture's so damn small. I mean, I'm looking at 373 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.319 this on an HD television in modern times. I mean, 374 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.359 can you imagine like watching this on a small screen. 375 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:12.079 Oh my god, it'd be an nineteen ninety six, how small. 376 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:14.799 Some of those views would have been absolute night man. 377 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.119 So it's interesting because Tony Shavanni on his podcast with 378 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.920 Conrad reviewed this show and they were talking about that 379 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.319 criticism of the World War th reapproach of Shavanni, in 380 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:25.559 addition to being the had announcer for ww was also 381 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:26.359 the producer. 382 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:28.279 I'm sure he didn't. I'm sure he didn't fucking care. 383 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.599 Now there's he thought was I'm sure there, you know, 384 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:32.519 if he didn't fucking like it, just didn't, don't watch 385 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:33.119 the fucking show. 386 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.839 It's always that's always a nice way to deal with criticism. 387 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.200 If if only all of us had that option. Well 388 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.240 we do, yeah, we do. So that's fine. We actually 389 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.960 understand where he's coming from there. But here's I guess 390 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.640 it's a box you always have to check when you 391 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.119 review a World War three episode. Is this this this 392 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.240 issue of how tough it is to watch at home? 393 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:52.599 And here is Tony Savanni relative to the criticism of 394 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:54.559 how they handled the nineteen ninety six production. 395 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:56.200 Yeah, he took the commentary. 396 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:58.160 I thought the commentary team did a pretty good job 397 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.519 of throwing it around. I don't think we stepped on 398 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.279 each other. We had six guys working, which was probably 399 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.039 too much. I thought that Lee Marshall bump was pretty 400 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:12.920 hilarious because we all love Lee and he sold it 401 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:13.400 quite well. 402 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:14.160 How are you doing over there? 403 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:14.359 Lee? 404 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:15.359 Not good? 405 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:17.839 But the hell, you know, I just got hit and 406 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.680 Zibisco was tremendous. Well, you know, it was too many people, Yeah, right, sure. 407 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:27.680 I mean when you have sixty people, you are going 408 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.559 to get a lot of guys who mean nothing and 409 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.640 know nothing. And you know, with all these guys going 410 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:35.599 out at the same time and all these different announcers, 411 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.480 I think as an announced crew, we did probably as 412 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.559 good as we could do with announcing all these guys. 413 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:42.400 I mean, we're watching it. 414 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.720 Look, we're all watching the same thing, and we've always 415 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.279 did We've always done this. We're watching the same thing 416 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.839 the fans were watching. We're watching the screen, the monitor, 417 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:55.559 and we're watching three little boxes. So we don't know 418 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:59.240 who was all going out. And you know, if we 419 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.359 missed the guys, now, then what the fuck did that? 420 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:02.559 Did that mean anyway? 421 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.680 Was that important that we hit every guy who's going 422 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.799 out that we talked about every guy that we gave 423 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.039 a background of, every guy who went out. Oh here 424 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.319 out goes Psychosis, and you know, Psychosis had his head 425 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.119 stuck up his ass back in nineteen ninety five, pulled 426 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.279 out by de Malenko and sniffed by Dave Meltzer and 427 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:23.480 make sure it smelled right. 428 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:28.240 I think I'm going back and listening to that. 429 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:30.200 I think we did a good job of not talking 430 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.640 over each other, and I think the finish of it, 431 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:36.640 as Meltzer said, was good because it got over what 432 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.640 we wanted to get over. And I think if you 433 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:41.519 go back and you watch the end of that, the 434 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.759 fans were pretty much into it at the end. They 435 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:47.039 were all mixed up as we were. But if you're 436 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:48.960 in the arena, you see sixty guys go at it. 437 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.799 There's something pretty cool about that. I thought production wise, 438 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:55.960 that we fucked up by just staying on that three 439 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:57.759 shot all the time. 440 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:00.839 I think that was one of the mess And of. 441 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.839 Course basically they had to do what I guess because 442 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:05.440 they didn't know who was going out and what to order. 443 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.359 I mean, you kind of get a rundown of who 444 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.319 you think's going out when, But will the guys actually 445 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:16.200 pull it off? I mean, if we say that Diamond 446 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:19.599 Dallas Page, for instance, is the first man going out. 447 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.160 Suppose somebody else goes out and you miss that shot. 448 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:24.799 So they probably had it with three rings do that, 449 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:27.160 But I thought maybe they should have pulled off that 450 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:31.240 three shot and taken maybe a one shot of you know, 451 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:32.920 maybe a ring number one at one time, a ring 452 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.920 number three. I agree, it was a big cluster fuck, 453 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.759 no question. There were too many slots and not enough, 454 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.599 not enough pieces of talent to fill that slot. So 455 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:44.880 if we missed some of those guys, then it didn't 456 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:46.920 matter to where we were going anyway. And that was 457 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:48.480 further in the nWo angle. 458 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:50.720 Yeah, that's what happens when you have to hit this 459 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:54.559 artificial number at sixty entrants, right right, It's like, yeah, 460 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:56.519 that's the point. If it didn't matter if they went out, 461 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:57.640 why are they in the match? 462 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:00.720 I know, it's not like you're going to fucking see 463 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:05.920 uh uh, you know, I don't know, Alex right win 464 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.359 the fucking Yeah, I know you need fucking you need 465 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.440 dead wood in there for sure, But also you know, 466 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:16.359 Shemney didn't say this, you know, he he failed to 467 00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:20.359 mention the fact that after uh uh uh, after Lee 468 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.839 Marshall took the bump, there was just cocaine all over 469 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.119 his mustache. Yeah, he took the bump, all right. 470 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:30.559 I mean that is such a silver lining of this 471 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:32.680 pay per view, Like this is the most Lee Marshall 472 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:33.279 you're gonna get. 473 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:35.240 Like, I know, it's so true. 474 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:38.440 Because he's he's unleashed, because they need the announcing help 475 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:39.720 and he's like third straight, you. 476 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.119 Know, Tony, I'm here, Tony, I've got a nice bump 477 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.160 of cocaine sniffing up my nose. And I'll tell you 478 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.160 right now, I've got women waiting for me in the 479 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:51.759 back already, pants down, pants down. I've got my pants 480 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.000 down right now. In the arena of. 481 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.519 Six times he was on all fours that night in Norfolk, Virginia, 482 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.519 only one, however, in the arena he fucked. He after 483 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.880 the show. I think that's been I think the history 484 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:03.480 is established. 485 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.279 Just imagine, just imagine, like Lee Marshall after like two 486 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:12.680 hours of sex, just a sweaty, you know, like hair 487 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.519 drenched from all the just the the rough houses, but 488 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:21.960 not the slightest sign of fatigue on his face. None, none, none, 489 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.799 and he's still fat. Right, that's the thing too, despite 490 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:30.440 all that exercise, you know, just fucking loads of colm. 491 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:33.640 Let's send him the week ahead to another college campus 492 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:38.440 for nitro party. Right, he's ready, I mean, Lee Marshall, listen, listen, 493 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:41.680 he listen. He has his way for a few nights 494 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:43.599 and then and then you know what, right in the 495 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:46.039 fucking plane, he's off to another one. He's ready to 496 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:48.759 go to that next nitro party and start fucking again. 497 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:52.240 Stop us the way to stop us lying? 498 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.200 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Lee Marshall and all of his glory 499 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:58.400 on this show, not just holding a microphone backstage, but 500 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:01.440 holding court in the commentary. Oh yeah, and he can't 501 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:04.200 hear his colleagues, so he's just talking over people and 502 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:08.240 he's making sounds and he's yelling at Larry's Abisco for 503 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.839 doing nothing while he's being attacked by pro wrestlers. He's 504 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:13.839 trying to sell and do commentary at the same time. 505 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.279 He doesn't know how to do either, so that it's 506 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.920 very challenging for him. Just a fucking mess, that's the thing. 507 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.960 It's just a mess. It's not enough there's sixty guys 508 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.880 in there, you know, throwing each other around. And remember, 509 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.319 unlike a Royal Rumble, they don't enter at intervals, right, 510 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:29.000 maybe sixty men entering at intervals to work. You might 511 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.119 want to do that instead. It'd be a two hour match. 512 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:32.720 But that's fine. 513 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.200 I mean that might that might not be too bad. Honestly, 514 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.559 you know, have something, have something different. I mean, I 515 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:42.039 appreciate again the idea behind them trying to have their 516 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:47.279 own version of the Royal Rumble, but it's like, I 517 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:48.920 don't know how to do it. I really don't know 518 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:50.920 how to do it, to make it. I mean I 519 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:53.759 know that that even aw does literally does the Royal Rumble. 520 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:55.359 They just call it, what is it, the casino, Yeah, 521 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:59.440 the Gauntlet the yeah, yeah, you know, that is the 522 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:01.359 exact same things. I mean, maybe they could have done 523 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:04.920 it with sixty men doing that, and you know, that 524 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:06.960 might have been interesting, but that would have a gain. 525 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:08.279 You know, what you could do You could have like 526 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.440 three men enter every two minutes and one goes to 527 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:13.720 the ring. Yeah, you know, and that way the rings 528 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:17.000 aren't so full that it's completely impossible for the production 529 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:19.519 to zone in on a ring where something important is happening, 530 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.000 But it sounds like to hear them tell it, like 531 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:25.960 they were just so not like deep logistically in terms 532 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.720 of like you know, organization, they probably couldn't do something 533 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:31.240 that complex. They probably would have just fallen apart. I mean, 534 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.160 it really sounds like the sixty is double what WWF 535 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.880 does and let's just put him in there. Yeah, let's 536 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:38.720 only book the last ten minutes of the thing. Other 537 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:40.519 than that, it's just you know, a fly by the 538 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.200 seat of our pants. And it's not enough that there's 539 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:46.359 you know, they did put some things, but it's out 540 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.160 of the ring extracurriculars like Ben wi right and Kevin 541 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:50.960 Sullivan battling into the crowd and stuff. 542 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:53.640 That's that's what they would do. They would do these 543 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:57.079 extra little things way way way down the line. 544 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.559 And it's like, eh, you know, like okay, some didn't 545 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.000 even get in the ring because of that, right right, 546 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:04.640 there's not enough we can't even follow what's going on 547 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.079 in the ring. But you're going to add a fourth 548 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:09.599 dimension in and around ringside where Lee Marshall shitting himself 549 00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:12.000 and Ben was beating the shit out of Kevin. It's like, 550 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.079 you know, you're actually not doing yourself favors by adding 551 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:19.000 more more dimensions where shit is happening that these cameramen 552 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:22.000 directors have to follow. But it did give us a 553 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:23.880 little bit of a nice glimpse because the way the 554 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.960 rings were positioned, having three teams out there, we were 555 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.880 able to see a couple of shots. You probably saw 556 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.759 this where there's like a blonde woman at the end 557 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:32.720 of the announced table with a headset on, kind of 558 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:33.240 directing them. 559 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:34.880 Yes, yea, hear from her. 560 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.000 But that's a rare glimpse at a woman by the 561 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.160 name of Annette Yothera who's a fascinating little story in 562 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:46.440 her own right. It's been mostly like backhanded comments and 563 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:48.440 things on podcasts, of course, so we don't know what 564 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.440 a ton but Bobby Heenan went in on her, not 565 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:52.000 by name, but. 566 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:53.400 It's pretty clear that's what he was talking about. 567 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:58.279 In his book, Chavani said at one point she and 568 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:00.759 Craig Leathers, apparently they were together even though Craig Leathers 569 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:02.480 was married, thought that they could make a play to 570 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.759 take over WCW entirely, that they had designs on somehow 571 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.799 grabbing the reins of OW. I have no idea, I 572 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.839 guess talking the head of TNT Sports and Entertainment, you're 573 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.480 Harvey Schiller. Brad Siegel types into giving them the ball 574 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:19.160 just like you know, the same way you know, guys 575 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:20.839 like Bill Bush and. 576 00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:24.519 Stuff got the ball. So that's insane. 577 00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:29.519 So that created an interesting challenge there. But Bobby Heenan 578 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.920 from his book, after production meetings in the WWF, Vince 579 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.480 McMahon would say, let's go have some fun. After WCW 580 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:36.440 production meetings, we'd say, let's go see if there's any 581 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:41.160 free food left life in the announcement here from the Brain. 582 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.799 Well, well you know he doesn't. I mean they also 583 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:48.799 said that in W two. Yeah, especially Jim. You'd go 584 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:50.599 there and it would be all gone. People from production 585 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:52.240 would walk by you and they would never say hello 586 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:54.240 or talk to you. There was this makeup girl who 587 00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:56.519 was promoted to executive producer because she was taking it 588 00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.160 from one of the other producers. 589 00:26:59.240 --> 00:26:59.359 Right. 590 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.759 She looked like Rushmore and smelled like gray poupon. She 591 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.640 couldn't put her own face on. What she was gonna 592 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:10.279 make you look like Mount Rushmore. I guess big tits. 593 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.960 And she smelled like gray poupon. And it's not a 594 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.359 good smell, right, I mean, well. 595 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.880 Listen, I don't I don't mind the smell of gourmet, 596 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.160 you know, the Dijon mustard, but like not in a person. 597 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.039 You know, I don't want to like get near a person. 598 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:27.240 Really. 599 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.519 It's a strange thing, though, to say someone smells like 600 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.039 that as a knock, Like, yeah, no one wants to 601 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:36.519 smell like mustard, except except Kendrick Lamar. But you know, 602 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.480 it's it's it's it's like it's also not like a 603 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.759 universally reviled thing. It's a condiment people put our food 604 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.400 to enjoy, right, you know, we've all had that. We've 605 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.359 all dripped it on ourselves. You know, at some point 606 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.039 hot dogs fallen off or whatever. 607 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:51.279 You know, you like a little spice in the hot 608 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.079 dog mustard, you know, like just straight yeah, yeah sometimes 609 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.839 sometimes you know, I mean I'm in the mood for that. 610 00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.559 That's kind of the that's the that's the New York 611 00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.920 Street why, I'll tell you solutely. They put on the 612 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.279 they put on the spicy, not the not dijon per se, 613 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:06.079 but they they put on the. 614 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.359 Little texture in there, the brown mustard. Yeah, sure, absolutely. 615 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.000 She couldn't put her own face on. She was gonna 616 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.519 make me look good. There was another girl that worked there, 617 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:15.519 whom we called Mondy Turnbuckle was another person. 618 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:16.559 She was just a slob. 619 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.400 She was clumsy and always spilling water. She'd grab a 620 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:21.440 rag to clean it up, and she'd pull our headsets off. 621 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.599 One day I saw it. One day I saw at 622 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.079 the airport. Apparently Wendy was a diabetic. She was lying 623 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:28.559 on the floor of the terminal and gave herself a 624 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.359 shot and her ass through her genes. Of course, there 625 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:32.960 was a croissant from Burger king Line next to her. 626 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:34.279 Rain. 627 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.759 Don't fucking cross him, man, No, listen exactly, don't don't. 628 00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:39.440 Don't. 629 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.359 He will fucking come for you. Were you all right? 630 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.599 Like he the moment you cross him, he is on 631 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.880 the hunt, all right. He will find you, and he 632 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.200 will take you down. Picture a big pig, he writes, 633 00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:56.000 lying on the floor with a needle sticking out of 634 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.599 her ass. I leaned over to the guy sitting next 635 00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:00.640 to me and said, usually when they use those dark guns, 636 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:08.640 they'll take the tusks right off of roll fuck interminal 637 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.720 o' haair, you know, like fucking like leaning over to 638 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.839 some stranger and like leaning over to Steve Martin in 639 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:15.559 plain strange. 640 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.680 Everybody hated their jobs. He writes, it was the funniest place. 641 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:21.559 For example, if someone was in charge of tapes and 642 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:23.680 someone was in charge of pens, the person in charge 643 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.599 of tapes would say, don't touch that tape. I'm in 644 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:27.359 charge of it. I have to move that. The person 645 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.319 in charge of pens would say, would you like to 646 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.440 use my pen? The tape person would say, I don't 647 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:36.720 want to get involved in that. They would only do 648 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:38.759 what they had to. No one would ever help anybody. 649 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.000 So yeah, I bring that up because that would also 650 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.400 add a challenge to producing something like a World War 651 00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.400 three three ring battle Royal. If nobody can stand each other, 652 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.000 you know, they're not going to get together and game 653 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:49.200 plan how to do this thing perfectly. 654 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:50.759 They're going to show up by. 655 00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:52.359 The seat of their pants and do as little preparation 656 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.160 as possible because they don't want to be accused of 657 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:55.799 trying too. 658 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:58.480 Hard because that would be ridiculous. And there we go. 659 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.000 Yeah, but yeah, so I Fannie had a lot to say, 660 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:03.920 not a lot, but he had things to say that 661 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.599 earlier interesting strings to pull on. He said that the 662 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.279 other and Craig Leathers wanted to run WCW, that they 663 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.480 got Kevin Sullivan fired at one point in time and 664 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:16.720 had Eric Bischoff's ear and were political animals. He was 665 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.319 quick to point out that he couldn't confirm that they 666 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.000 were dating, but people always said that of course Craig 667 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:23.799 was married and she was not, so that was probably 668 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:28.640 probably if it was true, not something people were volunteering necessarily, right. 669 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.920 But as for Craig Leathers, who, you know, if we're 670 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.559 going to talk about production in WCW, world War three 671 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.359 is probably a good time because that's like the ultimate challenge, 672 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.519 the ultimate test is trying to produce one of these 673 00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.160 battle royals. And he's like, you know, the what the 674 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.680 Kerwin Sylphie's or the Kevin Dunn of WW him and 675 00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.119 sure the other guy Keith Mitchell who works for aw 676 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.799 now and came from World Class originally. But I love 677 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:54.440 this because I was you know what about Craig Leathers. 678 00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:57.519 Can we say anything more than that? I know, it's 679 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.559 really yeah, there's never a lot said there. And he's 680 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.039 got he's got a Wikipedia that I have to say, 681 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.759 looks like he edited it. Do you ever have you 682 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.400 ever read a Wikipedia entry where you feel like the 683 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.240 subject of the Wikipedia has been in the weeds. 684 00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:13.279 Yes, yes, yeah, like somehow he like knows somebody who 685 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.599 has a connection at fucking Wikipedia. Well yeah, I mean 686 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.519 anybody can edit a Wikipedia. You can edit your own Wikipedia. Yeah, 687 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:24.359 but you can't get like why, like he doesn't need 688 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:24.839 a fucking p. 689 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:28.200 In the first place, you know, right, Yeah, he created 690 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:32.119 it and then edited it, but it says Nitro brought 691 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.000 an intense rivalry between w CW's Monday Night program and 692 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.960 the World Wrestling Federation's Monday Night Raw program. This rivalry 693 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.240 is known It's the Monday Night War, directed by Leathers 694 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.359 and produced by Eric Bischoff. Okay, like anyone is ever, 695 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.920 but anyone is ever when talking about the Monday Night 696 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:50.160 Wars brought his name up, Craig Leather's name Never Never, 697 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.839 directed by Leathers and produced by Rick Bishoff. W W 698 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.440 Nitro started surpassing Raw in the television ratings and held 699 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.279 the highest ratings and cable for eighty three consecutive weeks. Bischoff, 700 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.400 along with Leathers and Nett Yoder in there, Kevin Salt, 701 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.519 another person no one's ever said the name of Kevin 702 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.759 Sullivan and Terry Taylor wrote the majority of the storylines 703 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:07.960 and content for Nitro. 704 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:08.839 And ww pay per views. 705 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.000 Bishoff and Leathers came up with the idea that many 706 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.599 commercial break should be taken during live matches. This is 707 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.279 not this. This is not cited anywhere. There's no citation 708 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:20.000 like this has just stated as if it's like common knowledge, 709 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.680 and it's like, I've never heard that before. So Tim 710 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.960 in there like trying to put his little resume points 711 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:26.079 in his Wikipedia is my. 712 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.200 Because the first one, the first the first pair I'm 713 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.039 looking at right now, the first paragraph has cited us. 714 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.799 There's a Eric Bischoff chat from Prodigy. Oh my god, 715 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.880 from like nineteen ninety five. There, I got to see that. 716 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.000 The fuck. This is the following. The following is an 717 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.039 exclusive Prodigy chat Triumph. 718 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:48.359 The following announcement is a transcript by the Prodigy World Order. 719 00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:54.640 Brings Shah, Yeah, they get a whole fucking thing here. 720 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.039 And there's a moderator. Eric Bischoff, VP of ww is 721 00:32:58.039 --> 00:32:59.680 now currently with US answering your case. I do that 722 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.400 every month like WWF would do on their AOL channel. Hey, Eric, 723 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.759 did you purposely bid up Brett Hart's contract causing the 724 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.000 wwe to offer him an insame amount of money and 725 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.279 hopes that that he would it would result in other 726 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.960 workers getting upset and leaving. Somebody asked, no, no, not 727 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.319 at all. I offered Brett a deal. Whoa, he offered 728 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.440 Brett a deal? Now he says it here. Oh, I 729 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.200 offered Beretta deal that I could make work financially for 730 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.319 both him and my company. God no, he actually can 731 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.559 never happen. That's something. Uh huh, that's right. There must 732 00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:34.640 be some legal shit there. 733 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:35.519 Yeap. 734 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:40.160 Oh, he says. Have you talked to Sean Michaels at all? 735 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.839 He says, I haven't talked to Sean since sometime in 736 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.799 nineteen eighty eight, when Sean and I were both working 737 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.799 for Verne Gagne. He might have been eighty seven. Since 738 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:50.920 that time I had I haven't had any conversations with 739 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.480 Sean Michaels. Based on what I've heard and the information 740 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.480 out there has been presented by Dave Meltzer and Wade Keller. 741 00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.720 Based on the inaccuracy of Wade's information about the Roddy 742 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.559 Pipe Kevin Nash incident, I don't think any of us 743 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.319 can tell if the Heart Michael's incident was real or illusion. 744 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:09.599 All right, So this is post Montreal screw job or 745 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:11.880 or or post their fight in a. 746 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.159 Their fight, Rodford, I feel like it's that, all right. 747 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.960 So it keeps intact my point that he's making reference 748 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.719 to a ninety six play for Brett and not the 749 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:20.880 ninety seven. 750 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:21.440 Yeah. 751 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.039 Let's see here, let's get Yeah, the Piper Nash fight 752 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:27.400 was backstage at a Nitro in Boston and June or 753 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.599 ninety seven. Yeah, yeah, so that would be it was June, right, 754 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.000 It's definitely mid ninety seven. It was definitely before Brett came. 755 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.480 What made you think of the idea for the New 756 00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:39.480 World Order rather, I really don't remember anymore. It was 757 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:42.000 just something I knew people would like. People like renegade 758 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:46.000 organizations and renegade people. Funny enough, they didn't like the renegade. 759 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.840 Yeah, that was the last person they wanted to see. 760 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.079 In my mind, that's what the NWOR represented, people who 761 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:57.519 would rewrite the rules. That was really the idea going in. Yeah, 762 00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.679 that was the idea. Okay, that's funny. 763 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.800 I so how you know it's always been like, oh, 764 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.079 I didn't copy it from the japan UW A fine 765 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.440 invasion angle. But then like I saw something recently where 766 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.519 he was like totally talking about Yeah, he's in his 767 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.599 book and his uh contvers creates cash. He's talking about 768 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.440 getting the idea from Japan. And WWF always insists on that, 769 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.159 like when they do a documentary. 770 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.440 Controversy creates cash. Isn't that a line in that uh 771 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.880 in that movie that's out right now? 772 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.360 Then that's right. Your co chairman saw Queen of the Ring. 773 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.400 If you're wondering the movie about Mildred Burke, and you 774 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:28.760 probably won't get a chance to see it if you 775 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.559 haven't seen it yet, because it'll probably out of theaters, 776 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:31.440 but it'll be streaming. 777 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.119 Soon or notough, and you probably don't want to either. 778 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.840 There's a moment where they force and it's supposed to 779 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.239 be nineteen fifties pro wrestling one day looks then another 780 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.920 promoter and says, controversy creates cash. I mean, dude, and 781 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:45.719 they say shoot match like. 782 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:47.719 They say shoot does this mean? What does this mean? 783 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:48.079 Billy? 784 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:55.639 Shoot beach and and and and the entire movie. You 785 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.079 could have a drinking game with how many times they 786 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.159 say is that in the script? Is this part scripted? 787 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:02.079 What's the screen? Yeah? 788 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.480 She leans over the milderd Berg character and like goes 789 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.440 up to the promoter to the ropes and goes, what's 790 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:11.519 the script? I mean, that's the the dialogue is the downfall. 791 00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.519 It's actually pretty. It's a pretty movie. The performances are 792 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:18.079 really good. But well she's good, yeah, Mildred, Yeah she's good, 793 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:21.199 Josh Lucas is, Yeah, that's true. Well, they the Billy 794 00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.559 Wolf character like is not even anywhere near and they 795 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.519 keep calling him Billy do Wolf, like he's the fucking 796 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.440 magician in the Frosty cartoon. Billy d Wolf's a different guy. 797 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.559 I don't know if my years were deceiving me, but 798 00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.119 at some point I was like, they keep calling him 799 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.920 Billy de Wolf. It was Billy Wolf. Really yeah, I 800 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:40.280 don't know, so I have no no fucking idea, but 801 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.000 it was a dialogue, just so like if. 802 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.480 You and then and then there's this, there's this moment 803 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.559 they have this bizarre press conference at the end, and 804 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.480 and Josh Lucas stands up and gives the end the 805 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.199 final line of Scott Hall's Hall of Fame induction speech. 806 00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.880 So like word for word, I watched YouTube for six 807 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.719 hours before writing the script, right, like what the fuck? 808 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:05.320 Uh? 809 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.599 It's bad times don't last, but bad guys do right, right, Yeah, exactly, 810 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.239 but awful. It made these like nineteen fifties press conferences 811 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.760 seem like you're like standard modern wrestling, like, you know, 812 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.519 here's here's your ten minutes to speak promo time, when 813 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.360 there's like no indication that that's how they went at all. 814 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.519 It would just they would take questions the press conference. 815 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.400 They would take any questions. They just like cut promos right. 816 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.119 Everyone just like writes down what they're saying. Let me 817 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:30.760 give me a break. 818 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:33.199 I don't know, it's just it's weird to make a 819 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:37.360 movie about nineteen fifties pro wrestling and kind of not 820 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.360 adjust the portrayal of the business to that day and 821 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.800 kind of kind of make it seem like how modern 822 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.480 wrestling works, you know, and how modern matches play out. 823 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.039 You know, the clips they showed, it's of the actual 824 00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.280 archival footage. It's like they did not do all these 825 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:52.760 spots and all that shit not at. 826 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.840 All right exactly. It didn't seem that hard to get right. 827 00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.719 But you know what wrestling movies can't get right is 828 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:02.599 like explaining if it's real or not, like right, they 829 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.800 want to say it's fake, But then they don't. They 830 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.840 leave the audience that doesn't know or care clueless as 831 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.320 to whether this is supposed to be a real fight 832 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.079 and this one isn't. Well, it's like they can't really 833 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.760 get understand the drama behind the scenes at times, right 834 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.079 like that that's where that's where the real interest is. 835 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.239 That's where the real drama happens. You know, it's like 836 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.079 they're either unwilling to accept that or they just can't 837 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.760 fathom how crazy it actually is. Yeah, I mean, all 838 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.159 you have to do is whoever the main character is, 839 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.119 when he or she has their first training session, you 840 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.960 have the trainer explain to the main character what is 841 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.760 and isn't real in the ring, and you do the 842 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.079 rest of the movie from there. It's iron Claw. You know, 843 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:42.960 you got Fritz subwhere to win the world title like 844 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:45.400 and then in the next breath, every match is pretty 845 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.400 tarb It's awful, So not that hard to get, right, 846 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.719 I don't think maybe it is, but that's always tough 847 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.079 when you're watching, like a mainstream attempt at a wrestling 848 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:54.880 movie is it's like, you know, the people in the 849 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.599 theater watching it with you have no earthly idea if 850 00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.320 this is supposed to be real or not the matches 851 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.280 when they shut are showing the matches themselves. I mean, 852 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:04.400 Darren aaron Off, you got it right, he did. That's true. 853 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.360 There's not one moment in there that that that you 854 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.280 think it's real. But I mean, I don't understand. I 855 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.840 don't know say why it's so hard, bi chef, But 856 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.400 I will, I will. I want to say here I 857 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:18.360 did find the the Craig Leathers part here, So it's 858 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.159 not that whole paragraph, it's the last phrase. 859 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:21.559 This is what. 860 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.880 Uh, this is what Bischoff says. He says right now, 861 00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:31.599 Terry Taylor, Craig Leathers, and a nette author work together 862 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.320 with me to lay out to lay out our television 863 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.480 and pay perviews. I have the final say on everything 864 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.199 that goes on television, good or bad. But it is 865 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:42.800 sincerely a team effort and all the people I mentioned 866 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.400 contribute to the final product. The same will be true 867 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.400 when and if Kevin Sullivan returns to w CW fascinating. 868 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:50.400 So there we go. 869 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.559 Yeah, then who's gonna who's going to remember that and 870 00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.280 find that and put it in a Wikipedia besides Craig himself. 871 00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:57.679 I don't know. 872 00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.880 Maybe I'm off on an island tiers aulating. 873 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.840 But sorry to keep on this, but this is fascinating, 874 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:08.840 this little chat. But someone asks whose name is hbk rissas. 875 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.920 That sounds like a nineteen ninety six screen name if 876 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:12.400 I've ever heard once or ninety seven? 877 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.039 Eric, how do you feel about Nash and Sean doing 878 00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.679 the click nWo sign on TV to say hi to 879 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:22.920 each other? And he says, I don't have a strong 880 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.199 feeling one way or another. I know it bothered some 881 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:26.800 people in my company, but honestly, I don't think it's 882 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.679 that big of a deal. I suppose I wouldn't want 883 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.519 it to happen on a regular basis, wouldn't it happen 884 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.159 on a regular bass But it really didn't register with me. 885 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.960 That became like the signature thing in WCW for a 886 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:43.079 year wolf Pack's eend sign. Bischoff and Leathers came up 887 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:44.880 with the idea that many commercial break should be taken 888 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.840 during live matches. While some fans at the time found 889 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.360 it distressing, this gave the matches it reads here an 890 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:52.039 unpredictable feeling to the show. Many times Nitro would go 891 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.199 overtime when ratings were high sometimes even up to fifteen 892 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.480 minutes past their schedule time slot. Yeah, this happened at 893 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.400 World War three. Rare on the time that WWF I 894 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.400 think started going to eight fifty seven at the three 895 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.679 minute jump. That this is when they were like moving 896 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.599 the time slots around to figure out how to compete. 897 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.519 A few interesting shots from the ninety five ninety eight 898 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.159 Enter telecast include a station this is definitely him, a 899 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.239 stationary camera with surrounding crowd high in the rafters giving 900 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.719 a wide, panting view of the arena. A jib camera 901 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.119 framed on props, Oh my god, in pieces of equipment 902 00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.639 on the set that would boom or whippan onto the entranceway. 903 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:24.079 Oh yeah, all fans definitely definitely writing that in his 904 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.079 Wikipedia yeah exactly. And various steadycam shots following wrestlers to 905 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.480 the ring, with the jib and steadycam both having wide It's. 906 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.719 Like, it's like he found out I bet there was, 907 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.079 Like I bet he found out that there was a 908 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:40.039 page that was dedicated to him, you know, because they're 909 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:41.960 I don't know, they seem to be always added at random, 910 00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.079 and you never know who the fuck and and he's 911 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.400 just like freaking out. 912 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.000 Like Oh, wait a minute, Wait a minute, that's not 913 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.039 that's not right. I gotta tell him what I did exactly. 914 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:56.400 This revolutionary shit starts talking the inside lingo with no 915 00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.960 citations about jibcams and steadycams and wide angle length. 916 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:03.880 Oh my god, look at home. My hold on, I'm 917 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:08.760 reading this thing now, and with the jib instead, He 918 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.840 describes his techniques. Yes, with the jib, nobody else. Having 919 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.639 wide angle lenses right in there, right, and in close 920 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.000 proximity on the set, there was a high risk of 921 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.320 one camera capturing another. Depending on the position of the jib. 922 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.639 Leathers would sometimes have the steadycam frame a shot on 923 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.320 the ground. When cross dissolved to the steadikam, the operator 924 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.119 would tilt up and quickly move towards the subject. Yeah, 925 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.880 this would prove to be a stylish wipe sequence between 926 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.599 both cameras, and it gave the effect, and an effect 927 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:42.440 gave the jib move more time to swing out of view. 928 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.480 Wow, I mean, that's just that's what you'd expect any 929 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.960 TV producers wikipedia to sound like. When Bischoff was removed, 930 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.280 it further says from Power in September ninety nine, Leathers 931 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.239 would continue to direct the show for the remainder of 932 00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.559 the year, but with creative restrictions put upon him. With 933 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.400 the new management in charge, they wanted to change ww's 934 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:04.719 format to resemble WWF nowww style of broadcast. Changes in 935 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.639 production included tinkering of camera angles, such as the removal 936 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.920 of the steady cam from the entranceway to be replaced 937 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.119 by a standard hendheld camera zoned zoomed in from ringside. 938 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.239 Although that change and angle may not have been as 939 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.679 visually pleasing to some, the new management did so to 940 00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:19.679 better ebulate the look to him. 941 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.119 Some not as visually pleasing to him. 942 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.639 It's almost like, you know, his signature's got taken away 943 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.719 and he's like explaining it here, you know. On the 944 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.920 Februy nineteen, two thousand and one, Nitro Broadcast, Leathers resumed 945 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.880 position of television director, around the time Bischoff regained some 946 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.280 control of the company. I didn't know that interesting. With 947 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:40.840 WWF for sale, Bischoff and this investors deal to purchase 948 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:44.199 the company failed when Turner executives canceled ww's timeslots. Eventually, 949 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.800 WFWWWE would go on to purchase several assets of WCW 950 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:49.880 In late March two thousand and one, forcing many employees, 951 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:51.079 including Leathers, to be laid off. 952 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.280 Where you at, Craig, Where are you at right? Testify? 953 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.320 We'll do a podcast with you find us? Yep, Why 954 00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.920 are you afraid? Why aren't you talking? Where's a net? 955 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:01.440 Mmm? 956 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.320 You ready for a list of everyone in the Battle 957 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:05.079 Royal or at least? 958 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.000 Uh? This is the first report in. 959 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:08.320 The Observer of who is going to be in the 960 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:15.159 nineteen ninety six World War Three Tony Rumble? Did you 961 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:16.800 see him in the fucking Bledsoe jersey? 962 00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:18.800 Yeah? 963 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.480 Behind the Patriots jersey coming to the ring? Yeah, unbelievable. 964 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.559 I mean, I thought we would have a reason to 965 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.159 talk about the Boston bad boy indie legend Tony. 966 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:34.360 Rumble, No fucking idea. Who's We'll get to it. Luger Anderson, 967 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.960 Arn Anderson, Ben wah D DP, Steve McMichael, Chris Jericho, 968 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:42.960 Eddie Guerrero, Jim Powers, Jeff Jarrett, Dean Malenko, Conan Bubba 969 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.880 that is uh, who's Bubba? That must be? It must 970 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.880 be uh Ray Trailer. But he was was he big 971 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.960 Bob at the time? Yeah? He probably was. Oh yeah, 972 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.920 he was bout yeah, yeah, Carlan Heat French Canadians. Jack Boot. 973 00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.199 Do you know what jack boot is? No fucking jack boot. 974 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.760 That was one of many names that Buddy Lee Parker 975 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.159 used in WCW. We're named Dwayne Bruce. So when you 976 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.000 see Buddy Lee Parker come out to the to the 977 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.960 World War three, know that that is jack Boot and 978 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:12.320 not Sergeant Buddy Lee. 979 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.360 All right, well, thank you. I was I was confused. 980 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.159 Both American males Buff Bagwell and Scottie Rigg, Steve Regal Hove, 981 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:26.159 Entude Guerrera humorous. Did you see Big Ron Studd in there? 982 00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.079 Aka Ron Reese aka the Yeta? 983 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:30.840 I did see. 984 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.639 I did see Ron goofy Ass, Roadblock, La Parker, David Taylor, 985 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:40.079 Disco Inferno, Jim Duggan, Bobby Eaton, Meng Barbarian, Joe Gomez 986 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:41.280 is in World War Three. 987 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.239 You didn't even remember these people. This was like an 988 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:48.320 exercise on payroll. Joe Gomez. I do remember being such 989 00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.840 a regular on Nitro at the time. Oh yeah, all 990 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:58.480 throughout like the the the Yeah, probably like summer to 991 00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.119 the round this time in ninety six. He was all 992 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.280 over doing jobs all the time. Yeah. 993 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.599 He went on to sue WW for his portrayal as 994 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:09.679 a Native American idiot. No that they didn't have to 995 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.199 portray anything to get that across Sullivan High Voltage. Both 996 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.599 members of the team Ice trained Prince Akaia Johnny Grunge 997 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.880 from The Public Enemy Renegade was in the World War Three. 998 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.679 Mike Enos Mikey knows is a good trivia question because 999 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.320 he was wrestling when Scott Hall hit the ring on 1000 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.559 that first time on Nitro. Is Mike Enos in the 1001 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.280 ring against two? I don't recall, but I do remember 1002 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:35.079 his mike Y knows. Yeah. We also have Luscious Luther. No, 1003 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.519 but that was of course I put that in there 1004 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.280 because it was in the Observer with a question marked 1005 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.519 next to it. Even Dave Meltzer, covering the business as 1006 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.199 closely as he did back then, did not know who 1007 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.760 Luscious Luther was supposed to be. And I'm pretty sure 1008 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.400 he does not actually come out, because we're going to 1009 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.800 read you next the fullest who actually was in the 1010 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:54.800 match and see if it compares bunkhouse Buck, Michael wall Street, 1011 00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:01.280 Alex Wright, Mark Starr, Ceclope, Galaxy super Low, Who doesn't 1012 00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:06.159 who doesn't end up making it? Felino Felina was listed 1013 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.440 and wasn't there. Now Fellini wasn't there either. 1014 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:11.320 Craig. You know, the way he talks about his work. 1015 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:13.880 Could a cool fool? Honestly I think he. Yeah, I 1016 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.440 wouldn't doubt that he thinks he is Felleenie about Jimmy Graffiti. 1017 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.599 How about not? Who was Jimmy Graffiti, Jimmy del Ray 1018 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.360 Oh get yes, yes, he's in a painter's cap. 1019 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:28.559 When he comes to the ring. Fucking Christ Raymond, Stereo, 1020 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.559 Junior Ultimore, Dragon, Scott Norton, Craig Pittman, j L. 1021 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:33.039 Buck. 1022 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.480 I don't even know who that was. I think it's 1023 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.480 supposed to be Oh no, excuse me, let me let 1024 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.360 me rewind that j L is one wrestler. That was 1025 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:46.679 Jerry Lynn Jerry and then Buck but they had already 1026 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:49.599 but they already listed him earlier in what I just read, 1027 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.519 so they listed him twice on parallel unless there was 1028 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.199 a wrestler named Buck was supposed to be in at 1029 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:56.960 one point, Mike Winner, Vic Steamboat who wasn't in there, 1030 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:02.000 and Kevin Nash and in the Vic Steamboat brother, Oh 1031 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.199 my god, Steamboat and indeed you heard it right, No 1032 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:11.079 giant in the original lineup that was circulated and Giant 1033 00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:11.960 goes on to win the thing. 1034 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.639 So that's wild. And apparently there was advertising out at 1035 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:18.079 one point that Sting was going to be in the 1036 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:22.239 nineteen ninety six World War three. Yeah, I can imagine that. 1037 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.000 They were still in that weird place and we'll get 1038 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.239 to it where they knew Sting was going to be 1039 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:29.519 this brooding, you know, rafter dwelling character who is going 1040 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.000 to do mysterious things and attack people for reasons that 1041 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:34.400 left you scratching your head. But the idea that he 1042 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.199 wouldn't wrestle until December of nineteen ninety seven was not 1043 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.360 necessarily set in stone. Yet he was doing matches on 1044 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:48.559 television tapings as crow Sting. He is really yep, he's 1045 00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.360 a playable character in that gear in the first video 1046 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.559 game WCW Versus the World that they came out with 1047 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:54.760 in this era for the PlayStation. 1048 00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:56.039 No shit. 1049 00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:57.880 Here he is in like a black cut off top 1050 00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:59.800 with the scorpion on it, in black long pants and 1051 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:04.519 just that almost entirely white face like the Marcel Marceau 1052 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.639 look he's got going this before he got much more 1053 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:12.159 detailed with the black stripes on his face, and he's wrestling. 1054 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.159 I mean, I just God, those guys at the ww vault, 1055 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.719 this YouTube thing, that's your challenge. You got to find 1056 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.519 me a match. Sting working in the gear he was 1057 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:21.960 wearing in. 1058 00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.679 The fall of that. Yeah, gotta see it. 1059 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:27.639 There was a worldwide taping he wrestled. Will detail it 1060 00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.480 in a moment. There was several house shows that he 1061 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:36.079 wrestled as this sting. I'm completely obsessed with, like how 1062 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.559 he presented himself, you know what I mean, Like was 1063 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.880 he doing the old move set? Was he was he 1064 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:44.519 still howling or was he just acting like a brooding 1065 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.039 kind of emo guy. I have no idea, but I 1066 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:51.880 must know, must Yeah, that is that is crucial. So yes, 1067 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.400 very interesting. And they added the Canadians Versus Harlem heat 1068 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.719 match quite late in the running, and as we know, 1069 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.639 ultimately the lineup doesn't differ tremendously. I'm just gonna try 1070 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.039 to hear point out anybody who came out that wasn't 1071 00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.960 in that lineup, although it does note here in The 1072 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.519 Observer that Ron Studd was called John Studd several times 1073 00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:14.440 by Dusty Rhodes on commentary. Yes he was, Yeah, John 1074 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:17.519 Studd was definitely not in the nineteen ninety six World 1075 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:18.519 War three Battle Royal. 1076 00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:24.079 Yeah, yeah, I missed that one. Was he dead or as. 1077 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.159 Wattley was in the World War Three and he wasn't 1078 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:30.840 in that initial lineup? Steve McMichael, Let's see, how about 1079 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:34.320 the Galaxy made it? But yeah, the Giant was actually 1080 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:40.119 in there, Jack Boot Okay, check that box, and uh, 1081 00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:43.880 that's pretty much reck Steiner was in there. Scott was hurt. 1082 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.159 Pardon me, Scott Steiner was hurt at the time. Even 1083 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.639 that doesn't stop Lee Marshall from one point telling us though, 1084 00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:51.559 that Scott Steiner was just eliminated. 1085 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.559 That was hilarious. I'm like, Scott Steiner wasn't even the match. 1086 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:55.519 What is he talking about? 1087 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.760 Sure enough he called somebody else Scott Steiner, Yeah, of course, 1088 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.880 who wasn't. Meltson noted at the time the lineup changed 1089 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:03.760 in the last week as they added most of the 1090 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.719 nw WILL members, including Giant who ended up winning, that 1091 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.360 weren't scheduled originally to be part of it. Even though 1092 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:11.960 Sting was in all the advertising as a participant, the 1093 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.480 decision was made weeks ago against him being in it. 1094 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.360 I mean, that's crucial. If they put Sting in this 1095 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:24.000 thing after launching the Crow Death disaster to tell us why. 1096 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.519 I mean, I think it's intuitive, but why would it 1097 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:29.000 be a disaster? Because I mean, the whole idea is, 1098 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.480 why would you the character? You know, why would he 1099 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:36.639 come into this match after he just said he doesn't 1100 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:41.360 trust anybody? You know, why would he Why would he. 1101 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.599 Get in the ring with sixty guys or fifty nine 1102 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:50.239 other guys? How would that be a fight he'd been 1103 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:53.360 interested in having right now, right he'd already did the 1104 00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.079 you know, the only thing that's for sure about Sting 1105 00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:57.920 is nothing for sure. And line walking out on Team 1106 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.239 WCW with the Fallbrell war games as if it's the 1107 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.039 fucking first time you ever said that, it's then a 1108 00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:03.679 million guns. 1109 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:08.079 Well this time it actually resonated, right, and he had 1110 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:11.519 stopped talking, and he shows up during the match between 1111 00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:14.760 the Giant and Jeff Jarrett for the US title earlier 1112 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.480 in the show and reverse DDT's Jeff Jarrett, and that 1113 00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.119 was like, oh my god, he's in the nWo. He 1114 00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.239 just did that to Jeff Jarrett. He's in the nWo. 1115 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:23.360 But he would walk. 1116 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:26.159 Away, He wouldn't stand shoulder to shoulder with the nWo. 1117 00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.079 They had yet to bring out the nWo Sting. I'm 1118 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.039 pretty sure they hadn't done that that thing of agg yet. 1119 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:34.639 Oh yeah, no, yeah, wait you have they had they had, okay, 1120 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.840 because they did it at Fall Brawl. He just isn't 1121 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:42.119 on this show. So I felt like he hadn't debuted yet. Look, 1122 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:46.039 that's what started the whole thing. Yes, they they thought 1123 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.440 he was Sting and then Sting came out. 1124 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:49.679 That's right, Yep, that's right. 1125 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.199 Yeah, yeah, and then you know what though, I think 1126 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.960 while they did do that, I don't think they introduced 1127 00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:58.679 nWo Sting as a weekly character yet. I was like, 1128 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.320 you know, and they're all like grouped together, they are 1129 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.440 like making faces at the camera like he's not in 1130 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:07.519 there yet. He definitely didn't come before well, I'm almost 1131 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.599 certain he didn't come before Buff Marcus Bagbell joined, which 1132 00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.760 was the night after on Nitro he turns on Scottie 1133 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:15.840 Riggs and he wasn't in the ring for that. So 1134 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:20.199 I think NBO Sting making another appearance and actually wrestling 1135 00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:22.360 for the nWo and Black and White was still on 1136 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.519 the cover, because I think he was there when wall 1137 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.880 Street joined and Virgil, well, Virgil was already there they 1138 00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:28.639 already had Virgil, which is a good deal. 1139 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:29.039 I like that. 1140 00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.400 I forgot all about that that like Tedy Biassi brings 1141 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.639 Virgil and Teddy Biassi's the money man in the nWo. 1142 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:36.320 That made a lot of sense to me, totally did. 1143 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:38.000 I was a fan of that. 1144 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.880 TBIASI had more uh to contribute as a manager as 1145 00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.639 opposed to this, sure this television announcer idea they had 1146 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:46.840 for him, and but that by ninety seven he's like 1147 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.199 a baby face manager managing the Steiner brothers, Like. 1148 00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.400 What is going on here? So fucking weird, so weird. 1149 00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:53.400 Tobiasci was one guy you could convince what was key 1150 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.360 to THEWO besides the giant that which was kind of 1151 00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.239 a weird one. You could convince yourselves that these guys 1152 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.280 had loyalty to do. At the end of the day, 1153 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.519 they were Wolfson Sheep's clothing on the WCW. 1154 00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.679 They were actually the like kind of the big ones 1155 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:09.880 at least for sure. And then you can start recruiting 1156 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:12.000 goofballs like Bagwell and stuff. 1157 00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.400 Right, So it's it's a fascinating time in WCW and 1158 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.079 it's it's a quite nice flip side of the coin 1159 00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.039 having just done the nineteen ninety six WWF Royal Rumble. Earlier, 1160 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.119 we get to take a look at WCW's Battle Royal 1161 00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:26.760 pay per view from that same year. It's it's definitely 1162 00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.440 nineteen ninety six vibes around here for some reason this 1163 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:29.920 year on. 1164 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.119 I know it's been all over. Seriously, we had so 1165 00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:35.599 many ninety six shows last year, thirty six or eighty six, right, 1166 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.119 you take your pick. Yeah, right, seems to be that six. 1167 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:41.719 It is Sean Waltman included, and we're finally getting here 1168 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:47.039 to World War three, and we're finally getting to the 1169 00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.920 opportunity to let you know that once again, you're co 1170 00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.679 chairman TLF are partnering with the folks at Dark Side 1171 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:55.679 of the Ring. You probably have seen by now the 1172 00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:59.159 announcement for season two of Unheard, the Dark Side of 1173 00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.719 the Ring companion podcast that will be rolling out weekly 1174 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.360 along with Season six of Dark Side of the Ring, 1175 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:05.760 which premiere is here at the end of the month 1176 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.679 on Weiss. Hopefully you tuned in last time. It was 1177 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:12.480 a smash as we go through the deep archives of 1178 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:16.840 Dark Side interviews with people in and around the wrestling business, 1179 00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.719 so many fascinating subjects that they've sat down with and 1180 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.039 just try to pick out little nuggets that didn't make 1181 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.119 the show or just didn't fit the theme of the show, 1182 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.320 but deserve to be surfaced. Wrestling fans deserve to hear 1183 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.039 some of these insights from some of these folks. 1184 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:30.480 You may have. 1185 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.960 Yeah, by the time this dropped, heard our interview with 1186 00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:36.440 Josh Nason on the Wrestling Observer side about this project. Yes, 1187 00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.239 but definitely a pleasure. You do want to check it out. 1188 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.079 It's going to be video two, so your co chairman 1189 00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.039 are on camera, unlike last season, which was audio only. 1190 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:45.880 My gosh, this is something they tell us, boss, we 1191 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.039 must do, right, isn't that the current wisdom and podcasting? 1192 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.599 And that's what they say you must do it. But 1193 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:54.800 I'll be the judge of that. Thank you very so. 1194 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.559 Waiting to meet the person who watches a podcast instead 1195 00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.320 of listens to it while he's doing other. 1196 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:00.960 Things, you know, that's the thing. That's one thing I 1197 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:03.320 don't understand that logic. I mean, I know, obviously people 1198 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:06.519 do because everyone's doing their podcast on camera and stuff 1199 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:08.760 like that. I just don't. It's just not something that 1200 00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:11.119 I'm interested in doing. Yeah, I'm just I gotta see 1201 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.679 these people. I want to watch real shows, yeah right, 1202 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:18.440 but I want sitting down. Yeah, I don't want to 1203 00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:22.639 watch a podcast. I want to watch fucking uh you 1204 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:23.280 know whatever. 1205 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:25.480 And I'll let you know, by the way, if you 1206 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.320 put YouTube on in the car and you listen to 1207 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.679 a two hour podcast via YouTube in the car, I 1208 00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:32.400 don't care. If the video's on, that doesn't count as video. 1209 00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:33.519 And if that's what all this. 1210 00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:34.679 Right, you didn't watch it. 1211 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:36.880 And if that's what all this hooplab about video is 1212 00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:39.199 about and podcasting all of a sudden, not knowing the 1213 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.440 difference between someone watching it on YouTube and not watching 1214 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.599 the video, just using it for the audio because it's easy, 1215 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.239 versus actually watching the video, then I don't know what 1216 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:48.440 to tell you. Yeah, but I do know that advertisers 1217 00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:50.760 struggle to understand anything but video. And so if they 1218 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:52.679 say video is it, all of a sudden, everyone says 1219 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:53.199 video is it? 1220 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:54.239 So here you go. 1221 00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.000 You get what you asked for, and we're excited to 1222 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:58.320 do it, and it's going to be a really nice 1223 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:01.639 companion piece to the next season, A dark side of 1224 00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:03.960 the Ring, which you know, yeah, for sure, Chairman have 1225 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:06.480 played no small part in helping along the way certain 1226 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.079 dedicated episodes that we had expertise in because of the 1227 00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:11.119 stuff we've been able to do here on the main 1228 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.840 feed for everybody. So it's it's a wonderful deal, So 1229 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:15.920 do check it out. I think it's going to be 1230 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.760 every Wednesday on the Vice TV and Dark Side of 1231 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.719 the Ring YouTube channels and let us know what you think. 1232 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:23.760 It's also going to be available in audio form and 1233 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:25.840 all your typical podcast catchers like the one you used 1234 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.599 to listen to this show, So no excuses as far 1235 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.480 as that goes. But we're gonna have some fun and 1236 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:34.679 we do hope you joined us. And thanks to the 1237 00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.639 folks at Vice TV and Dark Side of the Ring 1238 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:41.280 for deeming the twenty five wrestling podcast of the year worthy. 1239 00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:47.880 Absolutely, I mean it's a it's we're worthy and we're deserved. 1240 00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:48.199 Ye. 1241 00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.119 Doubters are going to have to go quiet for another 1242 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.559 twelve months. Sorry, Ye, So that's worth checking out. You 1243 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.519 also want to know that Patreon's rocking and rolling here 1244 00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:59.840 in WrestleMania season pion dot com slash elapsed Fan not 1245 00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:01.920 just for those live calls as we head into the 1246 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.559 big one to night live call coming your way on 1247 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:09.840 Easter weekend as we hive at WrestleMania, but also of 1248 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.360 course under the cinemat where we just see we can 1249 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.480 see the peak, Yeah, yes we can. 1250 00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.880 And there are two of them, and uh we are 1251 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:24.320 you know, listen, it's been uh, just scheduling in life. 1252 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.280 I'll just say that has been in the way and 1253 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:30.760 it'll be wrapping up of course, are our twin peaks. 1254 00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:37.760 David Lynch tribute with a nice look and also you know, 1255 00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:40.320 a look beyond. You know, we kind of it's it's 1256 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:45.159 gonna be a real a real uh uh uh coming 1257 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:48.559 like a real great conclusion to to David Lynch. And 1258 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:50.800 I'm sure we'll be able to revisit him at some point, 1259 00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:55.800 but you know, it's it's really amazing the longevity that 1260 00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.320 he did have, and uh, it's it's gonna be fun 1261 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.519 to be fun to to to get there. 1262 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:19.280 I agree, it's the lawn Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast 1263 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:23.039 that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. 1264 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.639 He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Cano 1265 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:43.119 m JP SOROW. 1266 00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.440 I agree, it's been a wonderful introduction to David Lynch, 1267 00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:48.440 and now every time I see you, I make you 1268 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:52.480 do David Lynch, and that's a good thing. Last time 1269 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:54.039 we heard from him, he was commenting on the John 1270 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:56.719 Cena Hill Turn and we had a hell of a 1271 00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.840 chat when putting one hitting the road to film unheard 1272 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:03.039 about the scene of heel turned. And you know, I 1273 01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:06.840 was hoping that it wouldn't be too late to quickly 1274 01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.880 surface this because by the time people listen to this, 1275 01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:12.320 I think Sena is scheduled to make his first appearance 1276 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:15.000 since turning heel on raw, so the presentation will be 1277 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:18.239 pretty clear. But man, we got you remember that episode 1278 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.559 we did after Star K ninety eight, how the nWo 1279 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:23.679 should have ended? We did that with how the scene 1280 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.079 of heel turn should go right? I mean, this was 1281 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:29.800 like what we were doing was was was classic din 1282 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:33.639 dining hall booking. Yes, that we would do in college. 1283 01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:36.400 We booked how you know Goldberg should come into WWE 1284 01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:39.440 after WSW was folded and all that, and how to 1285 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.000 do the invasion angle perfectly? But here, I mean we 1286 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:45.559 landed on a million money ideas, but just what's what's 1287 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.920 most important if they're doing it right, which is how 1288 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.559 we think they should do it. What should Seenea do? 1289 01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:56.920 What should he emphasize the main thing. And and I 1290 01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:01.000 don't think I don't think he should show up until 1291 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.239 Russell Mate. Yes, I never thought of that until you 1292 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:06.280 said it. That is the absolute thing to do, especially 1293 01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.719 if he's winning and his title reign is going to 1294 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:10.719 be something that takes you through four or five months. 1295 01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.840 I see him rain until SummerSlam at least. I agree 1296 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.159 he should not show his face until he makes he 1297 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:17.440 parts that curtain in Vegas. 1298 01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:21.039 What I am hoping I know that, I've even seen 1299 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:24.559 that he's supposed to be on TV on Monday. What 1300 01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:29.519 I am hoping happens. What I am hoping happens is 1301 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:31.880 that they and it'll be all over by the time 1302 01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:34.519 you listen to this. Is that is that you know, 1303 01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:36.920 they say he's going to come out, but it's Rock. 1304 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:40.960 Instead Rock comes out, and that's what happens. There are 1305 01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:43.519 these like every time John Seene is supposed to make 1306 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:45.440 an appearance, Rock says no no no no. 1307 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:47.079 No no no no no no no no no. 1308 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:52.199 Cotins it's not time. Wow And what is that a cone? 1309 01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.960 It just it's like it drives people crazy. It makes 1310 01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.599 you want to see him more, you know, it makes 1311 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:03.480 you want to say, see because they because what's what's 1312 01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:09.000 gonna be money, and what people are interested in is 1313 01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:16.400 how he looks. That's the key. And we we thought, 1314 01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:20.079 because to me, what you have to do is go 1315 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:24.039 completely opposite of everything we've ever seen of John c. 1316 01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:27.639 Yeah, I was I had in my mind black shorts 1317 01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.119 that go past his knees, like almost to his shins, 1318 01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:32.519 like capri almost pants. But you were like, no, he 1319 01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:34.280 shouldn't even wear shorts. And I was like, I don't 1320 01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:36.199 know what to do right now, because. 1321 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.079 That's the thing. It's very hard. You don't know how 1322 01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:41.559 to dress him. But I think he should go bald. Yeah, 1323 01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:44.920 number one, I think he should grow a beard. My god, 1324 01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:49.639 And like I want to see John Cena the first time. 1325 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:53.440 We like in a way, like we see him come 1326 01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:55.880 out at WrestleMania the first night and the first time 1327 01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:59.480 he comes out to talk. He walks out again, shaved head, 1328 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:04.159 full beard, sunglasses, three piece suit, and he comes out 1329 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.599 with the World Championship on the night after Wrestleman. 1330 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:07.760 And I think it'd be a nice touch if it 1331 01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:09.679 was one of those three times too big for him 1332 01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:11.480 suits that he used to wear in Total Divas, which 1333 01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:13.840 is the heel, right there. I mean, the way he 1334 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:16.599 behaves on that show is what he has to bring 1335 01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:18.960 out of himself right now. Why does he have to 1336 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.440 be bald? Why is that important to you? Because the 1337 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:24.800 hair is a problem. We've been saying it. 1338 01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:27.960 That doesn't help him. He has problematic hair if he's 1339 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:29.880 a heel. No, I don't think so, I don't think. 1340 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:35.800 I don't think seeing healed John Cena with his hair 1341 01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:40.639 parted and the bald spot, it does not work. It 1342 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:42.719 does not work. He still looks goofy. So you want 1343 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:44.119 like a buzz cutter, you want all the way down 1344 01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.639 to the skin, like Steve Austin. He can do either one, 1345 01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:50.519 either one like maybe the buzz cut that he had before. 1346 01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.360 I think the facial hair is crucial. How long of 1347 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:55.360 a beard? I mean, at a certain point, if I 1348 01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:57.880 picture him with like a mountain beard, I actually started no, no, no, no, 1349 01:03:57.920 --> 01:03:59.760 no no, not like not like a fisherman beard, like 1350 01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:03.119 going you know, like hanging off, not like trying wants in, 1351 01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:07.000 you know, castaway. No, I mean it's gotta be a 1352 01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:09.280 I think a full beard maybe just now, it's gotta 1353 01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:12.960 be a full beard. But it's like clean, it's very clean, 1354 01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:18.320 you know, like it's it's very very well like stubble. 1355 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:23.239 No no, no, no, full beard like full beard like 1356 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:28.800 you can yeah ish sure again, I don't think it 1357 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:30.280 needs to be as bushy. I think it can be. 1358 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.000 It can be very well like groomed, but it needs 1359 01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:39.159 to be a full beard. And uh, you know, if 1360 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:44.079 I'm gonna be completely honest, I was. I I took 1361 01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.599 some time over the weekend to kind of tinker with 1362 01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:52.280 what Johnsena would look like in uh video, sure, because 1363 01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:55.239 you can change their costumes and stuff. Now, unfortunately, you 1364 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:57.039 can't change their hair, which I don't understand at all. 1365 01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.679 I think that should be one of the prime features 1366 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.840 in any wrestling game. You should be able to change 1367 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:06.679 their hair because their hair changes all the time, you know. 1368 01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:09.639 Like that Why you can't change hair ad phasian la 1369 01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.239 or take it away makes no sense to me. But 1370 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.280 I think but I took off, you know, I like 1371 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.360 put him in a number of outfits and I'll tell 1372 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.519 you you know what, he actually did not look bad. 1373 01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:25.480 And I had him with plain old black trunks, black 1374 01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:30.840 knee pads, black boots, black elbow pads, and he didn't 1375 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:32.480 look awful. See. 1376 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.480 I think if he looked like the gear he had 1377 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.679 when he first came in as ruthless aggression with just tights. 1378 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.280 I just I just don't see that as as heel. 1379 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:47.920 I also tried. I also tried with with with Hogan's 1380 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:53.719 Hollywood Hogan long tights also worked. It works. That makes 1381 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:56.119 me so nervous because he's gotta wear boots. He can't 1382 01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:59.079 wear sneakers anymore. Yeah, I can't wear sneaks. It can't 1383 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.639 be any John seens. It's gotta be real. I mean, 1384 01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:03.800 but it's not actually awful because he could wear like, 1385 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:06.880 you know, like Kurt Angle's wrestling boots. They're so short, 1386 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:08.039 like real wrestling boots. 1387 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:09.039 You know. 1388 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.639 These are huge questions. Yeah, I mean I assume it'll 1389 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:16.280 be questions will be answered by the time you hear this, 1390 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:19.280 but I will be disappointed. Yeah, he shouldn't show up 1391 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:21.199 do Mania. I totally agree. I just don't think he should. 1392 01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:23.000 I think that would be just an amazing thing that 1393 01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:25.800 he because then it also gives you the chance to 1394 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:30.039 really change his look like you know you can. You 1395 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:34.719 can make it go crazy like you can, because because 1396 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:36.480 it'll be it'll be so weird to see. 1397 01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:39.760 He's like big leaguing Cody by not showing up exactly, 1398 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:43.480 it's Hollywood. Why is Hollywood important here? Because that's the 1399 01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:45.280 thing you screamed when we did a live call of 1400 01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:46.840 the Heel Turn available now in Patreon. 1401 01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:52.480 Hollywood. Yes, yes, that's because that's like you got Rock, 1402 01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:56.840 you get Sina, that's your Hollywood connection. You know, it's 1403 01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:00.840 it's great, it's great, it's great. 1404 01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.920 Let me tell you something. That's the way you should 1405 01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:10.280 do organic phenomena for the ages. It's organic phenomena. 1406 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:11.960 I love it. 1407 01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:17.519 I sat around the house, I drank coffee, and I 1408 01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:26.639 decided exactly how John Cena should look as I heal. 1409 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:33.599 He should dress like Frank Silva as Bob and. 1410 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:36.039 He comes out with sunglasses and he what he does 1411 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.559 he talk to the people? Does he talk down to them? 1412 01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:43.000 Does he does he have like a serious voice or 1413 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:44.440 does he kind of talk street again? 1414 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:49.119 No, I mean he's got to just talk normal but 1415 01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:53.639 very very very money. 1416 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:55.880 Tell That's where I was going, kind of like I 1417 01:07:56.039 --> 01:08:04.800 think of, uh, what's like he's kind of in a 1418 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:06.000 trance almost. 1419 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.480 Like like like like Jericho did when he was wearing 1420 01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:14.440 the suit, you know, like just uber serious, wow, uber 1421 01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:18.359 serious Johns. What does that belt look like on his shoulder. Oh, 1422 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.119 it's got to be the Spine belt because that's the 1423 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:24.279 real that's for him, the real championship. That was his championship. 1424 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.119 And he can say that, he can say he can say, 1425 01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:32.399 you see what I did, Cody, I got my belt. Hack. 1426 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:35.960 You had yours for like a little you know, a 1427 01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:39.039 little whatever, a little playtime at the Saturday's main event. 1428 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:41.520 But this is mine that it's going to be here, you. 1429 01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:45.079 Know, with a suit, sunglasses, beard, spinner belt on his shoulder. 1430 01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:49.199 I think me fucking money, huh. I hate the Spinner belt, 1431 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:52.239 but I hate it my least favorite championship. All. I 1432 01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:54.239 kind of like that, you're kind of but I like 1433 01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.880 the idea of having it happen like he's right exactly, 1434 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:02.359 you're doing exactly. I mean, they've done I'll say this, 1435 01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:06.800 they've done well enough having him off TV for now. 1436 01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:08.119 I think that was that's good. 1437 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:10.359 It's worked out. That's why I believe in the idea 1438 01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:12.880 because it hasn't hurt. It's actually increased interest in him. 1439 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:13.319 Right. 1440 01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:16.319 And I I don't know if he hasn't been on 1441 01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.119 TV because that's strategic, or if it's just you know, 1442 01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:22.560 he wasn't available but this is how you do it. 1443 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:23.199 You know he does. 1444 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:26.039 You don't see him UNTI WrestleMania. You heard it here first, 1445 01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.319 I mean it's it's Hogan, Hogan turning heel. I mean 1446 01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:33.000 they did there. He didn't show up for like a 1447 01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:34.159 week or two himself. 1448 01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:36.880 And I had a suggestion for that week one or 1449 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:39.039 two maybe, where he's in the ring and carrying on 1450 01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:41.399 and Rocks there and they're acting like huge big shots 1451 01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:45.880 and who comes to the ring Nikki Bella, Yes, oh my, 1452 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.039 oh my god. And you give her license to say 1453 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:52.159 everything to his face that ever bothered her when they 1454 01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:56.239 went out, and why she ultimately couldn't marry him. And 1455 01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:59.920 that was enough for me to be an electrifying segment. 1456 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:01.560 But you took it a step further, which had seem 1457 01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:02.279 to do from there. 1458 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:03.079 I. 1459 01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:09.960 Said, to really to really make himself to be a 1460 01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:14.560 crazy ass heel. She's done, she's done talking. She says, 1461 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:16.399 you know, what do you have to say for yourself? 1462 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:19.279 And he just stares at her for a while. Keep 1463 01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:21.840 mine still sunglasses on, it's not taking them a nice touch. 1464 01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:25.640 Still get sunglasses on, just like rock And after a 1465 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:30.079 few a few yep, after a few moments, grabs her 1466 01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:32.840 by the fucking oh my god, grabs her by the hair, 1467 01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:36.520 pulls her into his face. The microphone drops. It's gonna 1468 01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:38.439 one of those classic moments where he's talking to her, 1469 01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:41.439 but we don't hear it. We just see him like 1470 01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:44.039 he's pointing a finger, pointing a finger, you know, like 1471 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.520 kind of you know, almost ragged all on her by 1472 01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:52.119 the by the head. And it probably can't happen in 1473 01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:55.680 twenty twenty five, but I was like, you have to do. 1474 01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:00.840 He's got to go jake on her and paintbrush across 1475 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:02.399 the face and knock her to the ground right across 1476 01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:02.720 the face. 1477 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:06.039 And you want to be a heel, I think that 1478 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:08.279 would want to be. I think you want to cook 1479 01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:12.159 with gas. I don't say we didn't tell you how 1480 01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.479 to do it, just telling you. I think that would 1481 01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.920 be an absolutely absolutely lose money. Yeah, they would be 1482 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:20.640 hot on the rail. 1483 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:27.399 They would I mean it would be it would be Yeah, 1484 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:32.960 it would be just classic heel heat from like Puerto Rico. 1485 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:37.119 Heel just stands over her. She is she's stunned, she's 1486 01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:40.159 not knocked out. She's holding her face. Yeah, yeah, and 1487 01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:44.039 you know, tears and stuff like she's just bawling. I 1488 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:45.840 think it'd be money. I think that would be I 1489 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:49.640 think you'd you'd have a fucking game. Yeah you would. 1490 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:53.319 That's accelerant right there, That is accelerant. And then of 1491 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:58.479 course I'd take a step further, didn't I. I said 1492 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:00.319 to him, what about this? We're riding in the car, 1493 01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:03.560 coming back from taping on her, what about this? 1494 01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:05.800 Just like you said? 1495 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:08.920 I replayed to JP everything he just said, right up 1496 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:13.039 to the point grabs her, pulls her in and then 1497 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.159 takes out a nine milimeter and shoots her in the head. 1498 01:12:18.199 --> 01:12:23.399 Gets so dark, and then and then and then I added, 1499 01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:27.119 yes that he looks to the hard camera, he's got 1500 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:29.960 this a crazy face on. There's blood all over him. 1501 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:32.239 And then he puts the gun of his head and 1502 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:38.479 he shoots himself, and you're just and then you just 1503 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.520 sit on the hard camera for like longer than it 1504 01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.079 should be, to the point that it makes people uncomfortable, 1505 01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:48.439 Like everyone is silent, like nobody's moving, Like what did 1506 01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:52.199 we just fucking see two dead blood in the fin 1507 01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:56.680 and the camera just like that medium that not the 1508 01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:59.439 full wide but the one that kind of is like 1509 01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.399 just a little bit shorter than the ring you're waiting 1510 01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:05.319 from Craig Leathers Wikipedia again, Yes I am. Yes, we 1511 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:10.000 use the jib and we'll dissolve into the steady cam. No, 1512 01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:13.520 but we like and just hold it and then you 1513 01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:17.199 cut the black w B Entertainment. Hey, bring that back, 1514 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:19.800 just for that. I haven't seen it in like ten years. 1515 01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:25.640 I mean, it's amazing, it's amazing. Oh my god. 1516 01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.239 Like he's like the next week he comes out, I 1517 01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:30.560 don't care what you think of me for doing that 1518 01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.560 to her. She deserves it and not you know whatever 1519 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.199 you have to say to like double down, and this 1520 01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:39.760 is if we erase the suics the murder suicide. 1521 01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:41.479 Yeah, of course, yes, of course that was just a 1522 01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:45.600 that was just a what if modernism in a box. 1523 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:49.000 And he's like, you know, I treat women, you know, 1524 01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:51.199 the same way I treat anybody else. If you don't 1525 01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:53.640 respect me, blah blah blah, and he's going off. He's like, 1526 01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:54.600 who's gonna stop me? 1527 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:55.000 Anyway? 1528 01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:57.399 I got the rock right here, he's the boss man, 1529 01:13:57.640 --> 01:13:58.920 triple H, gonna do shit. 1530 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:00.199 And then. 1531 01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:07.000 No chance, no chance, Oh yeah that's right. Vince comes out. 1532 01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:10.920 You don't have what it takes. Ah, you don't have 1533 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.880 what it takes no that that would be a bad idea. 1534 01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:18.520 But I did find myself, you know, we thought Brock yes, 1535 01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:21.399 and then Brockwinn did think, but yes, because Brock should 1536 01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.479 come back and ruin his moment, like he ruined Brock's 1537 01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:27.720 moment by beating him in extreme rules, right, he came back, Yeah, 1538 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:31.239 and Brock would be the guy that's absolutely like so 1539 01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:34.079 like sick of the of what sick to his stomach? 1540 01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:37.239 What scena did you could be you know, it could 1541 01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:39.119 he could be the lesser of two evils in this 1542 01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.000 scenario because you know, Brock did a lot for Cody, 1543 01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.000 shook Cody's hand like when he lost to him at SummerSlam. 1544 01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.159 He he has equity in Cody, and he'd endorsed Cody, 1545 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:49.840 and to see what Sina did to Cody would make 1546 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.000 sense that Brock would come back and kill Sina. And 1547 01:14:52.079 --> 01:14:54.119 that'd be a hot program because that would be the flip. 1548 01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:56.039 I'd be the inverse of the two thousand and three 1549 01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:58.600 when Brock was the face you know, or that'd be revisioning. 1550 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.479 Oh yeah, that dynamic. Yeah, I mean think about this 1551 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:04.199 one thing. Think about there that that Brock and scene 1552 01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:05.680 a go way back to two thousand and three back 1553 01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:10.880 in Let's book, Let's book, Baby Brother, Brother, that's it. 1554 01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:16.000 That's exactly right. I know that's right. 1555 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.199 And I got another idea too, one more on this. Yeah, 1556 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:20.960 if you're running out of things for seeing it to say, 1557 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:23.600 you know, week ten, all you got to do go 1558 01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:26.680 back on his Twitter, go back on his Twitter and 1559 01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:31.760 have him read those obnoxious, faux faux motivational tweets that 1560 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:34.359 would be in a heal voice like he did, like 1561 01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:36.239 you know, like I didn't mean any of it, or 1562 01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:39.640 I meant it to the point that it's completely obnoxious. 1563 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:41.960 And he's still giving us life advice even though he's 1564 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.840 doing like the absolute least ethical things in the world. 1565 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:48.399 He's still giving us life advice. He still doesn't get 1566 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:52.039 that we don't turn to him for motivation and we 1567 01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:54.960 have no idea why he anointed himself motivator in chief. 1568 01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:58.159 But apparently that's part of the of the of the 1569 01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:00.600 grift these days is you also have to be motivator 1570 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:04.279 in addition to being a multimillionaire movie star. So, uh, 1571 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:06.439 that would be great. Well, he's a you know, he's 1572 01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:09.039 a lot of people look up to his people look 1573 01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:09.479 up to me. 1574 01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.720 He's a role Model's let's get people going to work 1575 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:14.560 at the mina key because they read a scene of 1576 01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:18.760 tweet and felt motivated to get up. Yeah right, get 1577 01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:22.960 motivated and fucking change of muffler speaking of the Rhodes family. 1578 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:27.920 But you're welcome for all those ideas, and I look 1579 01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:31.119 forward to them subtly turning to them as the as 1580 01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:33.199 the well runs a bit dry and pretending they never 1581 01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:33.600 heard us. 1582 01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:36.159 They're gonna say, you know, they'll, they'll, you know, he'll 1583 01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:39.199 come out on Monday and then but you know, like 1584 01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:44.800 what if we don't have him come out again? Oh man, 1585 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:45.640 that's good stuff. 1586 01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:50.279 So that's the kind of thoughts starters that uh, some 1587 01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:52.920 of these Patreon live calls can can birth. So you 1588 01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:54.600 want to be with us for the whole evolution through 1589 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:58.199 Wrestle maybe that, and of course also for the moat tier, 1590 01:16:58.279 --> 01:16:59.720 the tip top tier, the one that we know is 1591 01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:01.439 rich for a lot of people's blood, and we respect 1592 01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:03.640 and understand that. But for those who can't afford, we 1593 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:05.880 give them Wrestle. Mamia every Monday, back to the living 1594 01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:07.840 room carpet with Boss Man and Mama Sorrow. 1595 01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:11.920 We do, we do, indeed, and you know, WrestleMania season 1596 01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:16.279 is upon us, and uh so you know we're we're 1597 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:20.119 we're doing that with with wrestle Mamia as well. We 1598 01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:25.760 keep that ship moving along because I believe I believe 1599 01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:29.399 in a good theme. I believe in a good theme. 1600 01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:33.239 And uh, coming up, let's see here, what do we got? 1601 01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:35.359 What will be coming up? 1602 01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:36.119 Is? 1603 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:47.239 Oh? Oh wow, really wow? Yeah, I guess wow, I 1604 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.399 guess it hasn't really happened. Hogan versus under the giant. 1605 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:53.800 Holy shit. Yeah, that's a spot on. This is a 1606 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:59.079 giant coming up. So that's what you're here next. Big ship, 1607 01:17:59.239 --> 01:17:59.880 big ship there. 1608 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.600 Definitely check all that out for your Patreon dollar. Of course, 1609 01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:04.399 you also get add free versions of this show. 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So big shout outs 1638 01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:36.720 there for that higher level apparel, and we appreciate your support. 1639 01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:38.359 We're also on cameo of course if you need to 1640 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.159 send a message from one of our laps rogue gallery 1641 01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:45.279 of characters, someone special in your life, Cameo dot com, slash, 1642 01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:48.800 the lapsed fan. All those things help this flywheel. We 1643 01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:52.600 call that fucking cast that we turn our attention back 1644 01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:55.520 to World War Three in nineteen ninety six. It was 1645 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.359 a time when Hollywood was trying to come to terms 1646 01:19:58.399 --> 01:19:59.039 with Hollywood. 1647 01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:00.920 That is to say, indeed, we all know. 1648 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:03.319 The big hold up about turning heel is what happens 1649 01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:06.479 to your baby face, press appearances and merchandise sales to 1650 01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:09.239 the kids. And you know, do Regis and Kathy Lee 1651 01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:10.479 want to have you on if you're not the red 1652 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.319 and yellow superhero anymore? But you're a dastardly bad guy. 1653 01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:17.359 And Hulk navigated those waters masterfully because I can't think 1654 01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:19.319 of a single thing he missed out on at the 1655 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:19.880 end of the day. 1656 01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:23.520 Yeah, no, I agree, I think he was. He was 1657 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:28.199 as That's the thing right there, You could You don't 1658 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:33.720 You don't really lose out. You know you're not gonna 1659 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:36.760 There are enough people who probably don't watch wrestling who 1660 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:42.560 still know who you are, and you know who they 1661 01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:44.760 won't even know that you're a bad guy. 1662 01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:47.640 You know, he'll turn happening in July and by November 1663 01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:49.920 when World War three happened. I think it's becoming pretty 1664 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:52.800 clear now the returns are coming in. In fact, people 1665 01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:56.000 are leaning in. People want Hulkogan on the cable Ace 1666 01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:59.359 Awards on Entertainment tonight on Readis and Kathy Lee. They 1667 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:01.720 want to earn what this whole thing is about. He 1668 01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:04.520 went on QVC, I remember, shortly after turning heel and 1669 01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:07.319 he did perfectly fine, just explaining to the host that 1670 01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:10.079 he's now, you know, singing a different tune, but he's 1671 01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:12.640 still Hull Kogan. He's still the legend. Who's to say, 1672 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:15.880 maybe some endorsement came along, But what was so key 1673 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:18.479 is a lot of that well had run dry. It 1674 01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:21.079 wasn't like it wasn't like there was like right in 1675 01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:24.439 front of him. You know, six clients, let's say, six 1676 01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:26.800 people who bought into the superhero Hull Coogan, who were 1677 01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:29.960 going to be suddenly faced with an existential decision. It 1678 01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:33.159 was already over and seeing this case, it's not too 1679 01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:35.600 dissimilar in that, you know, since he's been gone so 1680 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:38.680 long and intermittently involved, the WWE has moved on from 1681 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:41.520 a merchandise standpoint, It's not like right, that was always 1682 01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:43.279 the big hold up when you know Vince was in 1683 01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:44.960 power and seen it was on top for so long, 1684 01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:46.760 even though crowds were rejecting him. It was like he 1685 01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:48.920 was far and away the number one merchandise seller, and 1686 01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:52.159 that is real revenue. You would compromise, would you? I 1687 01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:54.760 don't know, I mean would less people would probably buy, 1688 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:57.079 like the kids wouldn't buy John Cena merchandise if he 1689 01:21:57.119 --> 01:22:00.800 turned heel back. Then now it's Cody merchandise, it's punk merchandise, 1690 01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:04.439 it's Roman and Bloodline merchandise. It all takes care of 1691 01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:08.039 itself there. You know, they're not as relying on seen 1692 01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:10.039 as once a year new T shirt. So it's a 1693 01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:12.880 perfect time from that perspective. You're not even sacrificing anything, 1694 01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:15.800 which one wouldn't expect to be able to say about Sina, 1695 01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:18.319 But here we are. And so this is instructive in 1696 01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:20.560 that context to go back and look at what November 1697 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:22.720 nineteen ninety six was like for hul Kogan. He had 1698 01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:25.760 appeared on Entertainment Tonight and a Regis and Kathy early 1699 01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:28.439 in the month of November because he's on the road 1700 01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.720 too at the same time building up what Boss what 1701 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:34.039 comes out at the end of nineteen ninety six, Oh, 1702 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:37.600 Sandwar's Muscle with Muscles, the very first movie ever to 1703 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:40.479 get the under the cinemat treatment. That is correct, the 1704 01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:42.920 movie that inspired the whole concept in so many ways, 1705 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:46.680 and indeed indeed it was you know, kicking it off 1706 01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:49.239 with a Christmas season right now, tell the people kind 1707 01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:52.319 of how the nWo angle was stitched into your coverage 1708 01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:52.840 of that movie. 1709 01:22:54.880 --> 01:23:02.079 Well, the the angle. It's interesting because the the the 1710 01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:07.079 angle itself wasn't almost as involved. Well, the there were 1711 01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:12.399 a couple of things, there was the mustache and there 1712 01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:15.680 were but mainly that's where it was on set that 1713 01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:21.760 Bischoff came and said, you know, and Hogan did the 1714 01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:26.760 brother who's the third guy. Yes, that's where it all. Yeah, 1715 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:30.000 in reality, it happened on set, like he called him out. 1716 01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:33.800 Michell flew out the right, Bischoff flew out to meet 1717 01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:36.640 to meet with the Hogan and it was on It 1718 01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:39.800 was on that fucking uh movies. 1719 01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:42.319 But he also sent in videos, didnting out that they 1720 01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:45.159 played on Nitro from the Santa with Muscles future movie 1721 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:46.119 sets right where he's. 1722 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:48.279 Talking or is that is that one of the that's 1723 01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:50.239 I think that's later, that's one of his later ones. 1724 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.079 I don't think he did. I don't think he did that. 1725 01:23:54.439 --> 01:23:56.600 Yes, that's what played into the Hollywood thing is yeah, 1726 01:23:56.600 --> 01:23:58.560 I'm not even on Nitro this week, I'm on set, 1727 01:23:58.640 --> 01:23:58.800 you know. 1728 01:23:58.840 --> 01:23:59.439 And it was legit. 1729 01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:01.399 He wasn't a movie set by a movie that he 1730 01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:03.680 booked before he decided to turn heel. And they just 1731 01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:04.359 leveraged it. 1732 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:08.319 Right right. I think they they they they they leveraged it. 1733 01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:10.680 I yeah, it was later on that they would do 1734 01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:15.000 sulta Devil's Island kind of movies. Yeah. Specifically, the one 1735 01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:20.520 that I remember that we that we uh we definitely 1736 01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:24.680 used was when he was filming McKinsey's Islands Island. That 1737 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:29.319 was it with with what's this fucking uh Vaughn Robert 1738 01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:34.000 Voss jo. Yeah, that was that was. 1739 01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:35.960 What was one of the surprising things about Hogan going 1740 01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:38.000 out into the wider entertainment world now as a heel 1741 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:40.720 is that there were celebrities who were kind of into 1742 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:44.560 the idea of like a bad guy wrestler rubbing shoulders 1743 01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:48.119 with him and like being in the nWo was like funny, 1744 01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:50.359 like not funny but like it was kind of a 1745 01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:52.920 cool thing to do. And you look back now and 1746 01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:55.840 all this nineties Instalgia, the nWo T shirts coming back 1747 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:59.039 a few years ago and like everyone like loving that 1748 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.199 as like an icon their childhood. 1749 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:02.640 Because and it's kind of interesting because the movie would 1750 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:04.920 have and I do remember them hyping this movie up 1751 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:10.520 too around this time because it happened in November is 1752 01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:13.319 when it came out. Yes, it came out in November, 1753 01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:18.640 and it was you know, it's only in theaters for 1754 01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:23.359 two weeks, Santa's muscles. It's fucking horrible two weeks. And 1755 01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:32.039 then he did he also did uh the fucking thing. Oh, 1756 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.279 I know he did do a like a there wasn't 1757 01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:38.479 like an ap video piece about it, Like there's video 1758 01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:40.680 if you go onto YouTube. I remember finding it like 1759 01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:43.680 they actually they had people on set, like they had 1760 01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:47.439 video and like news reports on set. It's such fucking bullshit, 1761 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:50.319 but it's there. They're they're covering him turning heel or 1762 01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:52.680 they're covering the movie. No, covering him the movie because 1763 01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:54.800 he hadn't turned here yet. This would have been in 1764 01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:58.359 May May of ninety six, when he was filming the movie. 1765 01:25:58.439 --> 01:25:59.199 That's like so weird. 1766 01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:01.279 It's like an anacron It's like, Wow, no, that's not 1767 01:26:01.359 --> 01:26:04.720 Hall Coogan anymore. Guys, you're showing me something that's dead 1768 01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:05.399 to me. 1769 01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:07.760 And uh but yeah. 1770 01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:10.199 So by the time this came around, as fate would 1771 01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:13.239 have it, Hulks got all these promotional obligations for this 1772 01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:16.199 movie that, to your point, was shot before the Heel 1773 01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:17.840 Turn and now he's got to go around and be 1774 01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:20.439 Hollywood Hogan in these formats and it's it's fascinating to 1775 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:23.439 see play out. The Cable Ace Awards were in its 1776 01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:25.439 second to last year. Do you remember the Cable Ace 1777 01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:25.960 Awards at all? 1778 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:26.479 What those were? 1779 01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:27.760 Yeah? 1780 01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:31.600 I do, I do, vaguely. I remember them having them, 1781 01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.840 But I mean, was it just for ta cable programming 1782 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:37.760 or was it exactly? It was celebrating the best in 1783 01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.319 cable and it was a it was a Turner production, 1784 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:43.680 but it was involving HBO and everything in cable as 1785 01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.800 opposed to the Emmys, which you know, the EM's doesn't 1786 01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.039 have anything but against cable, but it's you have to 1787 01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:51.359 compete against network shows as well, right in the Emmys, 1788 01:26:52.199 --> 01:26:53.880 I mean at the time, Yeah, yeah, you have to 1789 01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:55.840 compete against network shows. Yet so here, you didn't have 1790 01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:59.319 to compete. Nothing was yeah. Yeah, so because nothing was 1791 01:26:59.359 --> 01:27:07.000 really that, you know, like it wasn't that cable shows 1792 01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:09.720 weren't as hot as they are now, obviously, and at 1793 01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:11.479 the time, what was the hottest showing cable It was 1794 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:14.439 Nitro and right it was wrong. It is because you 1795 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.640 you know, when you exclude network, you exclude the big 1796 01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:18.239 network hits, but you also exclude a lot of the 1797 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:19.800 sports that would be on the big networks. There were 1798 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:22.359 some cable sports, but you know, all of a sudden, 1799 01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:25.479 ninety six ninety seven, wrestling is the toast of the 1800 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:28.159 cable world. And yeah, certainly if you know it's a 1801 01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:30.640 Turner production, the Cable Ace Awards, they're going to celebrate 1802 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:33.600 what they particular in TN T and TBS have on 1803 01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:36.800 cable that that's a hit, and that is Hull Cogan, 1804 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:39.600 and that is Kevin Nation, Scott Hall, that is the nWo. 1805 01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:40.279 Yeah. 1806 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:42.159 So there's a period of time in November nineteen ninety 1807 01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:45.680 six where like, you know, the Turner itself was saying, 1808 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:47.760 here are our wrestling stars. Here, here's the heart of 1809 01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:50.960 why we're doing such incredible ratings on Monday nights. Yeah, 1810 01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:53.319 so here's a piece that aired on E Entertainment Television 1811 01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:57.399 that kind of looks at, you know, the nWo such 1812 01:27:57.399 --> 01:28:01.039 as it was in November nineteen ninety six, along with 1813 01:28:01.079 --> 01:28:04.479 the Sandal with Muscles and kable Ace Awards hype. It's 1814 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:08.279 fascinating to think about just the mainstream media covering this 1815 01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:10.760 heel Hogan. You know, probably where they wouldn't have covered 1816 01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:12.640 the baby face Hogan. They probably wouldn't given a shit 1817 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:15.199 if he stayed babyface to do a piece like this. 1818 01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:19.039 Well wrestling champ Hulk Hogan's career could now be aptly 1819 01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:21.640 titled the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. All our 1820 01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:24.760 E cameras caught up for the New Hollywood Hulk Hogan 1821 01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:28.479 and his band of vigilantes who call themselves the nWo 1822 01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:31.640 or the New World Order as they crashed last month's 1823 01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:33.399 kable As Awards here in Los Angeles. 1824 01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:36.520 All these people here, along with Ted Turner, got a 1825 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:39.079 lot of gold Man. We are the heartbeat of honors 1826 01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:43.479 cable show on TV today. They call it w CW 1827 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:48.560 Monday Nitro soon to be nw OH Life for Life. 1828 01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:52.439 So tonight we decided they're playing man. They know the 1829 01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:55.439 deal going going the back door hunk a few guys 1830 01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:58.760 pushed him out of the way and grabbed ted Turner 1831 01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:00.920 by a skinny little neck and take What's. 1832 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:04.439 Hard Spinner Broadcastings WCW Monday Night Nitro has become one 1833 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:06.960 of the hottest two hours of live programming each week 1834 01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:08.720 on cable television. 1835 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:11.039 And once again w c W. 1836 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:14.239 Shut the world. 1837 01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:19.439 Executive vice president and producer of WCW Monday Nitro, Eric Bishaff, 1838 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:22.119 brought wrestling out of the doldrums and into the mid 1839 01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:25.600 nineties by taking the beloved Holster and turning him bad. 1840 01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:29.920 I'm not surprised at all at the popularity of the nWo. 1841 01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:32.479 You know it all started with Scott Hall and Kevin 1842 01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:35.359 Nash came along, and then hul Cogan abandoned that red 1843 01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:36.319 and yellow stuff that he. 1844 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:37.359 Was doing for so long. 1845 01:29:37.640 --> 01:29:41.319 I did everything for the kids in the recept. 1846 01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:43.600 I got why I came out here. 1847 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:46.359 You fans him, decad brother. 1848 01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:49.279 This from the man who's soon to be seen portraying 1849 01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:54.199 Santa at Christmas time now says, spits defiled and beats 1850 01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:55.520 up anyone in his path. 1851 01:29:56.119 --> 01:29:57.600 Hogan has his own unique. 1852 01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:00.359 View on his dual career, So you don't wander. The 1853 01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:01.760 kids are so much smarter. 1854 01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:03.560 Than you people here at ETV, man, I mean, give 1855 01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:04.000 me a break. 1856 01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:06.640 The kids know the nWo is cool. 1857 01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:08.279 They know what it takes to get by. But then 1858 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.720 when it's time to take care of business, you step 1859 01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:14.119 in the rain, you make the first move. When it's 1860 01:30:14.159 --> 01:30:16.680 time to be Santa, you step up to the mark 1861 01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:19.680 and chop down the first tree. We just got them 1862 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:23.279 body slam and Turners organizations, big high rise in Atlanta 1863 01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:27.279 and the whole WCW. Now the nWo, we're gonna bodyslam 1864 01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:30.560 Beverly Hills and then we'll click around here just like 1865 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.680 we did the whole wrestling world. 1866 01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:35.079 Man, we make a garn with a win. 1867 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:37.439 You do, guys, and Samson, maybe you could be Caesar, 1868 01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:39.359 I mean, rankly, I don't give a. 1869 01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:42.000 Darn Scott Off. 1870 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:46.760 Hogan just bow guarding the whole thing, like, oh yeah, 1871 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:49.159 as much of that swags as Holland Nash gave to 1872 01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:51.399 the nWo before, well it wasn't even called the nWo 1873 01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:52.560 yet before Hogan turn heel. 1874 01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:54.079 He just took up all the oxygen. 1875 01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:56.079 That was one of the cooler the things that Bishops 1876 01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:57.720 had in his book. I thought was that you know 1877 01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:00.800 the reason those black and white videos with those jump 1878 01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:03.119 cuts with Hogan halland National Studio. Remember the one where 1879 01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:06.159 they're holding up an inflatable globe and all that. Yeah, 1880 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:08.760 the reason that's so jump cutty and like so stylized 1881 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:13.000 is because they just couldn't get a cut where Hogan 1882 01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:15.840 it was ho guarding the whole conversation, right, It's like 1883 01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:17.439 they had to cut it up because otherwise it would 1884 01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:19.760 be ninety percent Hogan and the stuff they did have 1885 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.960 from Holland Nash wouldn't have wouldn't have been able to 1886 01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:24.479 get a word in edgewise. So they ended up with 1887 01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:26.680 this really cool, like stylized thing when it was really 1888 01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:31.239 just a way to break up Hogan's filibuster and here 1889 01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:34.479 grabbing the camera and taking over, and you can kind 1890 01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:36.520 of see like if they're getting that kind of attention, 1891 01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:39.800 like an epiece, like yeah, yeah, let's let's keep this 1892 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.880 grave of train going. Let's not just let the WSW 1893 01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:45.840 come back anytime soon, because the right guys are making 1894 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:47.039 the right money. 1895 01:31:47.159 --> 01:31:50.560 You know, right, I mean, hey, it makes it makes 1896 01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:51.439 a little sense. It does. 1897 01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:55.640 So you have Hogan there kind of talking to America man. 1898 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:58.840 That brings back memories like that whole I was talking about, 1899 01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:00.680 like the kids think it's cool that he's so right, 1900 01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:05.359 like yep. It was like, no one thinks it's a 1901 01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:08.760 bad thing that he turned heel. It's fucking awesome, yeah right, 1902 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:11.279 And and the mainstream media was like coming to terms 1903 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:13.039 with that, like this, the scene of reaction has been 1904 01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:16.399 so different because people now enough generations have turned. They know, 1905 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:18.840 like turn heel is just like a big moment in wrestling. 1906 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:22.479 It's not like it's not like kids are crying anywhere, 1907 01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:24.520 although I'm sure some did, and we've seen videos of 1908 01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:26.760 kids crying, but that's not the focus. The media is 1909 01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:28.600 like glad to cover it as a heel turn. You know, 1910 01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:31.319 they're asking Nikki Bella on the red carpet what she 1911 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:34.079 thinks about her ex's heel turn, and she's saying it's great. 1912 01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:38.039 She said, you know, I think it's a gift he's 1913 01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:40.239 giving to his fans because now he actually can do 1914 01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:43.399 it without any you know, give them that what what 1915 01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:45.720 a scene of heel heel seen it would look like 1916 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:48.800 before he says goodbye, And they're like, you know, Rock's 1917 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.720 doing a press conference talking about it as a creative decision. 1918 01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:54.199 You know, oh my god, what a fucking phony. 1919 01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:57.680 Where was you know, where was Hogan out there doing 1920 01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:01.439 a breast conference about how they you know, decided for 1921 01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:04.520 storytelling purposes this was the best option available to them 1922 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:08.720 and an immediate climate that come on, No, we didn't 1923 01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:10.199 do that. We just looked at the camera and we 1924 01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:12.960 talked like a fucking right bastard. 1925 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:16.079 Right right, that's what you do. And Drew Carrey made 1926 01:33:16.119 --> 01:33:16.760 people believe. 1927 01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:18.600 Drew Carey was big too at the time in cable 1928 01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:22.159 and he did the This Drew Carrey Show, right if 1929 01:33:22.199 --> 01:33:25.840 we have a channel it was on Yeah, okay, so it. 1930 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:26.800 Was network, wasn't Cable? 1931 01:33:27.239 --> 01:33:27.439 Yeah? 1932 01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:28.760 No, no, yeah, his show isn't it. 1933 01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:32.079 He was hosting and he was the host, I should say, 1934 01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:34.840 of the Cable Ace Awards the year that this all 1935 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.399 was going down, Gary Shannling won for the Gary Channeling Show. 1936 01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:40.680 I think it was best show or whatever. The no 1937 01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:42.880 for Larry Sanders, not for the good that's what he said, 1938 01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:45.079 right for his show, the Larry Sanders Show, which I'm 1939 01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:47.000 sure Kevin Nash took close notes. 1940 01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:48.760 You know, oh absolutely, he was all over that. 1941 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:51.560 Try to do Gary Shandling in WCW. When he would 1942 01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:54.960 get the book infamously in nineteen ninety nine, and they 1943 01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:56.960 actually showed during the course of the Cable Ace Awards, 1944 01:33:57.039 --> 01:34:00.560 Roddy Piper in the audience scowling in a tuxedo. Wow, 1945 01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:03.039 no shock, the nWo is getting all this attention. The 1946 01:34:03.159 --> 01:34:05.760 idea was that, like the nWo showed up and I 1947 01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:07.560 love how they used the Turner thing there. That's so 1948 01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:12.359 great because they're supposed to be the WWF guys. They're 1949 01:34:12.359 --> 01:34:14.319 supposed to hate Ted Turner. They're supposed to be here 1950 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:17.800 to tip over Ted Turner's apple cart and fuck up 1951 01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:21.359 his day, and they call him billionaire Ted. I mean, 1952 01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:24.600 that's so brilliant. They take WWF using billionaire Ted and 1953 01:34:24.640 --> 01:34:25.279 they just use it. 1954 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:26.039 Oh. 1955 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:30.159 I mean, it's also amazing that it's it's really amazing 1956 01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:34.840 that I mean that that Turner allowed, yeah, them to 1957 01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:38.800 kind of run rampant on a major program. Well, Turner 1958 01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:40.079 was a maverick man. He got it. 1959 01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:42.520 He did he he loved Ric Flair, you know, it's 1960 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:45.119 like he loved babyfaces. He understood like that edge, that 1961 01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:47.279 wrestling broad and that's what he would do. He would 1962 01:34:47.319 --> 01:34:50.359 go in the press and call out somebody like that's 1963 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:52.960 so perfect because they had just done the billionaire Ted skits. 1964 01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:54.479 In the spring of ninety six, we just started talking 1965 01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:56.640 about him. We did the Royal Rumble. Yep, they'd just 1966 01:34:56.760 --> 01:34:59.399 done those. And and then Hall comes right away and 1967 01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:02.119 Nash come right after him. Yeah, and it's like you 1968 01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:06.439 could believe that these guys were over there helping the 1969 01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:09.399 company that created these billionaire ted skits and then went 1970 01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:12.720 over there and tried to you know, that's the new 1971 01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:16.079 front in the battle right now, right And it was 1972 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:18.319 a shame for years because there was a lawsuit that 1973 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:21.079 they would downplay Bishoff in particular, would downplay the idea 1974 01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:23.600 that these were supposed to be WWF invaders because it 1975 01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:26.239 was legally sensitive because there was a lawsuit over whether 1976 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:30.199 WCW was really practically using WWF's intellectual property to get 1977 01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:32.680 an angle over by pretending this is Razor Ramone and 1978 01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:35.359 Kevin Nash. And we know how ridiculous that got when 1979 01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:37.720 they brought back Razor and Diesel and w I know, 1980 01:35:38.319 --> 01:35:40.680 another piece of nineteen ninety six we've touched on recently, 1981 01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:43.760 But so the Cable Ace Awards, Drew Carrey's there and 1982 01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:48.840 the nWo, Hogan, holland Nash are doing segments with Kathy Kinney, 1983 01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:51.840 who was Mimi on the Drew Carry Show. Yeah, she's 1984 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:55.039 there too in character and just throughout the course of 1985 01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:57.479 the awards. It's not like they're there just for, you know, 1986 01:35:57.600 --> 01:35:59.880 to present an award. They do like an angle through 1987 01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:01.600 the whole Cable Ace Awards where they're trying to get 1988 01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:03.600 into the building and they're not supposed to the end. 1989 01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:08.880 That's so crazy that the larger organization and cable television 1990 01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:12.239 written large was taking notice of what the nWo angle was. 1991 01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:14.439 Not just that these guys were a stable of wrestlers 1992 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:17.239 and Hogan it's a bad guy. They got into like 1993 01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:20.000 the idea that they were an invading force and built 1994 01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:21.960 the Cable Ace Awards in some ways that year in 1995 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:24.800 nineteen ninety six around them. So here's a compendium of 1996 01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:28.000 all the stuff that the nWo trio did in November 1997 01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:30.319 nineteen ninety six ahead of World War Three on the 1998 01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:32.319 Cable Ace Awards. Let this take you back. 1999 01:36:35.079 --> 01:36:37.920 Oh this is bad, I know, television outsider and we're 2000 01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:39.560 on being at let us. 2001 01:36:39.479 --> 01:36:41.600 Set billionaire pet open up. 2002 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:42.960 We know you're in there. 2003 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:45.840 We got this a new world, or pumping out they 2004 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:47.560 do because we're new. 2005 01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:48.199 Or let us. 2006 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:51.279 We're taking over the one and attainment orders because we 2007 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:53.880 get yours and we want our cable Ace award. 2008 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.680 And what do we do? 2009 01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:56.399 What do we do? 2010 01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:57.560 I'll tell you what. 2011 01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:00.840 It's all round back by the stage door, talk a 2012 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:02.640 few people, get him out the way, then we'll get 2013 01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:03.600 our hands on Ted Turner. 2014 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:04.760 Hey, that's a perfect plan. 2015 01:37:05.239 --> 01:37:07.840 We are the hottest thing on cable and the cable 2016 01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:08.880 Ace ghost. 2017 01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:13.119 To the world going forward with those accents, Why don't 2018 01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:17.279 we wow Gerry Shanley two percent? No, no better yet? 2019 01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:20.199 That nonother talk show? Who's that done? The don King died? 2020 01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:23.680 Larry King, Larry King, I'm taking him? 2021 01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:31.720 Then, let's do it. Come on, they're down GM, I'm 2022 01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:32.600 up in this place, a. 2023 01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:34.199 New world Order in the he's ol. 2024 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:36.640 Hey, well what we got a program here? 2025 01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:39.279 Hey, they're billionaire Ted right on. 2026 01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:40.680 The gallow Where's where's our picture? 2027 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:40.840 Man? 2028 01:37:40.880 --> 01:37:41.279 Were in there? 2029 01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:42.399 And then we weren't invited. 2030 01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:44.119 We weren't invited. Who's in this thing? 2031 01:37:44.800 --> 01:37:45.000 Well? 2032 01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:48.560 Coming up, there's Mark Harmon, Eric will Sell, a couple 2033 01:37:48.640 --> 01:37:49.760 of Woolsey, Doc. 2034 01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:53.199 Steve Webber, Jeffery Damn, who's that TAM's that ball guy? 2035 01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:57.079 And it was in some kind of whim Convention. We 2036 01:37:57.319 --> 01:37:59.199 have Rita Wilson, sheryl A. 2037 01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:04.560 Leyla Shawn, many lead Thoms and Laylah or Sean whatever 2038 01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:07.800 they're all. There's baby who ram I had, Walter crock Hey, 2039 01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:09.520 I want to meet Walter cronk. 2040 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:17.159 Water, but he could get away from me by doing 2041 01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:18.840 Cable what four? 2042 01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:24.119 Oh yo yo yo, it's Hollywood's favorite damseling distressed much 2043 01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:24.520 for me? 2044 01:38:24.720 --> 01:38:24.760 Me? 2045 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:27.279 Hey, Sugar, Britzy's looking good? 2046 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:29.199 Look sweet? 2047 01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:31.039 Oh no, don't tell me the w. 2048 01:38:31.319 --> 01:38:38.039 Is here to do some butt kicking you guys for 2049 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:40.680 the reason that I watched Cable. I even have an 2050 01:38:40.760 --> 01:38:41.760 NW tattoo on. 2051 01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:43.520 Well when I get to. 2052 01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:44.319 Know you, wow. 2053 01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:46.159 School. 2054 01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:48.319 But how do we get in there? 2055 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:49.159 Oh? 2056 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:50.119 Well that's easy. 2057 01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:53.680 First you need one of one of these where we're gonna. 2058 01:38:53.439 --> 01:38:54.079 Pick one of those. 2059 01:38:55.399 --> 01:39:00.119 Hey, bridey, come here the slim. 2060 01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:06.720 Thanks, smooth, very very smooth, and next to any of 2061 01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:09.119 these because you don't want to, you know, get any 2062 01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:13.800 makeup on. And if anybody comes up to you and 2063 01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:17.960 you know what here just pretends to speak English and 2064 01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:19.640 you don't say slay. 2065 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:21.880 Oh it's my bred band of LA. 2066 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:25.680 I don't know George Hamilton tan Man, This surface to Sola, 2067 01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:31.039 come on your birthday. 2068 01:39:32.279 --> 01:39:38.640 A little live like, Hey. 2069 01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:39.279 That was pretty fun. 2070 01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:41.880 This is the very end of the show. Andrew Carey 2071 01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:42.680 is coming off stats. 2072 01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:51.279 Hey, porkmeister, these guys didn't get their awards yet. 2073 01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:51.800 What's up? 2074 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:54.640 I'm I don't vote on any awards or anything. 2075 01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:58.680 William no billionaire, Ted says, you choose each and every 2076 01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:02.199 single award or well, yeah, I know where he is if. 2077 01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:03.079 You want to go to his house right now. 2078 01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:04.439 I know that Todo was gating everything. 2079 01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:17.800 Thanks for watching the Cable Ace Awards tonight. That'sn't that fuck? 2080 01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:22.039 Oh my god, I feel so I reach for the 2081 01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:26.960 mood of the time. I want it so bad, just 2082 01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:30.159 that that was just like, you know, so innocently, like 2083 01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:33.359 presented in a way just I just love it. I 2084 01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:34.720 just love going back and watching. 2085 01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:36.960 That kind I mean yeah, because it's I mean, and 2086 01:40:37.239 --> 01:40:40.039 the fact that that that they were able to kind 2087 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:47.479 of cross into that world so easily, you know, that's immediate. 2088 01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:49.399 You know, it's like they just did the angle in 2089 01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:53.560 July and by November. They would never put w CW 2090 01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:55.960 wrestlers on the Cable Ace Awards before this, no way, 2091 01:40:56.399 --> 01:40:59.399 of course, not no, never, Why such cool stuff happening. 2092 01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:03.359 So yes, In fact, the giant had recently turned heel 2093 01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:05.279 and joined the nWo. He was like the big fourth 2094 01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:08.640 member and it was it was fascinating. There hasn't met 2095 01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:10.399 a lot from Paul White over the years about this. 2096 01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:12.000 One thing he did say on the Monday Night Wars 2097 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.640 documentary is it seemed like that there was one or 2098 01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:17.960 two options. Either he joined the nWo or he starts 2099 01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:21.159 chopping down the nWo one by one on behalf of WCW. 2100 01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:26.239 And he called it a political move really that caused 2101 01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:29.119 him to join the nWo instead of WW because you know, 2102 01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:32.079 the other scenario would be him, you know, forcing the 2103 01:41:32.159 --> 01:41:34.039 nWo guys to lose, and they weren't there for that. 2104 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:36.920 So as much as we can criticize it a Bischoff 2105 01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:39.760 or whatever for leaning into an nWo concept that was 2106 01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:43.640 kind of doomed to fail vsavwcw's viability, he also can't 2107 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:46.039 forget that the big money owners in the nWo had 2108 01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:48.800 all the incentive in the world to make everything nWo 2109 01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:49.840 and nothing WCW. 2110 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:53.159 It was kind of real in that sense. It really was. 2111 01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:55.720 It was like, yeah, I believe that it didn't have 2112 01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:58.760 a lot of the nWo guys didn't have a lot 2113 01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:01.439 built up in how strong WCW was. They didn't really 2114 01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:03.039 care because all they had to do was show up. 2115 01:42:03.560 --> 01:42:05.479 And they're getting invited to Cable Ace Awards to show 2116 01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:07.880 up on Nitro, you know, and kick some ass, right, 2117 01:42:08.439 --> 01:42:10.479 you know, the traditional like okay, where's the heat and 2118 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:12.000 what are they going to get there? It's like we 2119 01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:13.600 can we can worry about that later. 2120 01:42:13.880 --> 01:42:14.239 Right now. 2121 01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:16.680 All we do is show up and talk and look 2122 01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:19.399 cool and beat some people up. And I mean you 2123 01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:21.920 show up, you talk, and you get heat beating WWF, 2124 01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:23.439 which you no one thought we'd be able to do 2125 01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:27.399 six months ago. So it's it's something to remember as well. 2126 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:31.479 Giant had recently shown up in Jingle all the Way 2127 01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:32.319 with Arnold. 2128 01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:37.439 Yes, yep, that that happened as well. I mean again, 2129 01:42:37.479 --> 01:42:45.520 it would have happened, not necessarily right right there. I 2130 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:47.439 mean happened earlier as well. 2131 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:52.199 You know, so he was also Hollywood adjacent. He's in 2132 01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:55.479 Santa with Muscles as well. Right, No, it's in Sanda 2133 01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:57.520 with Muscles. I'm thinking of, No, that's Jingle all the Way. 2134 01:42:57.520 --> 01:42:59.640 I'm thinking of, yeah, yeah, Jingle all the Way where 2135 01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:00.199 he comes in. 2136 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:06.239 But yeah, like he yeah again that would have been done, 2137 01:43:07.079 --> 01:43:11.039 is he? Like, can fine when I'm gonna take my 2138 01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:13.720 notes here from when we did jingle? Sure, when they 2139 01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:17.880 filmed the actual movie, you. 2140 01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:20.359 Know, of course he'd come in in ninety five and 2141 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:26.920 wrestled Hogan. I'll even happened and Hogan's andre right, and 2142 01:43:27.039 --> 01:43:27.960 he was still red and yellow. 2143 01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:32.399 He's still gonna do the fucking same things all over again. 2144 01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:34.279 It already won the world title from Rick Flair in 2145 01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:36.239 April of nineteen ninety six, so we'd already been a 2146 01:43:36.279 --> 01:43:40.119 top guy when this happened. But yeah, he suddenly choked 2147 01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:44.600 slams WCW guys one night on Nitro when the ring 2148 01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:47.319 is absolutely filling up with garbage. This is before even 2149 01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:49.840 Bishoff returns, and Bischoff delivered the no no no, no, no, no, 2150 01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:53.039 no no no as Giant actually choke slams at WCW 2151 01:43:53.159 --> 01:43:55.640 guy I think was barbarian instead of an nWo guy. 2152 01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:57.199 But you thought he was hitting the ring to save 2153 01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:00.720 WCW from the nWo menace because they were making over again, 2154 01:44:01.359 --> 01:44:02.560 and that was a big one. That was like, oh 2155 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:05.479 my god, like they're going to start picking off WCW 2156 01:44:05.640 --> 01:44:08.479 guys too. It's not just x WWF guys we got. 2157 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.680 To worry about. And so now why won't Sting join? 2158 01:44:11.840 --> 01:44:12.000 You know? 2159 01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:15.960 That was part of it. It's like Giant did it? Yeah, exactly. 2160 01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:19.239 So in this world where people are literally turning on WCW, 2161 01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:21.960 not just joining NBO, turning on ww to join the nWo, 2162 01:44:22.000 --> 01:44:26.000 now everyone's fair game and everyone's under suspicion. So he 2163 01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:28.920 does that, and it sets up this convoluted scenario because 2164 01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:30.439 of course, the winner of World War three is to 2165 01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:33.359 get a world title shot. Giant wins haul Cogan is 2166 01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:35.640 the champion. House is going to get worked out. So 2167 01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:38.039 as the weeks go, Hogan kind of makes intimations that 2168 01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:40.319 they really don't expect the Giant to go for the belt. 2169 01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:42.279 They expect them and him to just take one for 2170 01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:46.439 the team, right, I remember that and just not actually challenge, 2171 01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:49.000 And that pisses him off, and so he leaves the 2172 01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:51.600 NABO as quickly as he joins it and wrestles Hogan 2173 01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:53.680 and the January nine ninety seven sold out where he 2174 01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:55.840 hits some of the choke slam and then Nick Patrick, 2175 01:44:55.880 --> 01:44:57.479 who is already as you can see on this show 2176 01:44:57.520 --> 01:45:00.479 as well, the evil what referee doing things that were 2177 01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:03.359 very questionable that favored the nWo. He would eventually become 2178 01:45:03.359 --> 01:45:06.319 the NBO's official ref again towards this idea that we 2179 01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:10.880 need a whole crew announcers, wrestlers to be nWo guys 2180 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:15.039 for an NWOTV shows. So dumb, just every time I 2181 01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.039 say it, I can't believe they thought that that was 2182 01:45:17.119 --> 01:45:19.359 the direction to go in. And I lived through it. 2183 01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:23.119 I remember, I remember what I watched Nitro Ford. 2184 01:45:23.159 --> 01:45:23.720 It was not for that. 2185 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:27.159 It was not for the nWo to become WCW. So 2186 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:30.800 Nick Patrick doesn't do the count that sold out, and 2187 01:45:30.840 --> 01:45:33.119 then nWo hits the ring and attacks him. He chokes 2188 01:45:33.199 --> 01:45:35.159 lams all of them, and then Hogan hits him of 2189 01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:38.399 the guitar and no contest. Hogan retains the title. And 2190 01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:40.640 it's after that the Bischoff does his big heel thing 2191 01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:45.680 where he fires Randy Anderson on TV. And that's that 2192 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:48.159 as far as the set up here and the prelude 2193 01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:51.560 to Paul White winning the World War three. He also 2194 01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:53.399 would go on to say that there was a moment 2195 01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:56.960 where he kind of went to Bischoff and was concerned 2196 01:45:56.960 --> 01:45:58.479 about how much less he was being paid than the 2197 01:45:58.520 --> 01:46:02.079 other guys in the nWo and just didn't really like, 2198 01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:04.439 this is the way Paul White is kind of characterized it. 2199 01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:06.520 Just didn't really like the lack of urgency and trying 2200 01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:09.479 to match what WWF might come up with for his services. 2201 01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:13.039 Definitely kind of felt slighted by that, and Bischoff would 2202 01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:14.680 say it is and has said it, as you know, 2203 01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:16.840 I said, absolutely the amount of money they're offering you, 2204 01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:19.039 I'll fly you there go. You got to take that offer, 2205 01:46:19.359 --> 01:46:21.840 whereas Paul White talks about it like they were just 2206 01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:24.479 blowing him off and big leaguing him and perhaps not 2207 01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:26.680 even believing that WWF would make that kind of a 2208 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.439 play for him. But they had strengthened considerably in nineteen 2209 01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:32.960 ninety eight and he comes in there in nineteen ninety nine, 2210 01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:35.079 Does Paul White becomes the big show? 2211 01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:37.000 And that is the end of that. 2212 01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:40.840 They had signed Roddy Piper right before Halloween Havoc, Yeah 2213 01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:42.800 d being he would to work four or five matches 2214 01:46:42.800 --> 01:46:46.880 a year, fifteen interview appearances throughout the year, And there 2215 01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:48.720 was also this idea of in the deal, which I 2216 01:46:48.760 --> 01:46:51.560 don't think anything came of it, where Turner would be 2217 01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:55.520 developing a syndicated TV show for Piper as part of 2218 01:46:55.560 --> 01:46:59.920 the deal, much like Thundering Paradise. Yeah, much like Bolstering 2219 01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:01.560 thunder and Paradise. It's part of Hulk Steel. 2220 01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:05.159 Yeah, he'd be a bounty bounty hunter or something. Was 2221 01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:07.279 the idea of this TV show. That nothing ever happened. 2222 01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:11.039 A big money contract, and I'm sure part of the 2223 01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:13.760 big money was whatever he would be paid from off 2224 01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:17.159 WCW's books for the Turner television show. There's always that 2225 01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:19.600 component to make that numbered flame. Remember Brett was gonna 2226 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:20.439 get movies. Remember that. 2227 01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:24.720 They got loads of dob Well, this is w'sw. 2228 01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:28.000 Contract and nothing happens, you know, but you just always 2229 01:47:28.039 --> 01:47:29.920 hear that, like there's movies in the deal, and it's 2230 01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:33.159 like nothing consummates. We've read Hogan's contract. It's all there 2231 01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:35.239 for wrestling. It's there's nothing in there with movies. But 2232 01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:38.840 I maybe it's probably separate paper. But yeah, Bischoff had 2233 01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:42.640 just turned as well. This is a part of the 2234 01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:45.159 stipulation of Fall Brown ninety six where w CW face 2235 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:47.039 the nWo and the War Games, was that they would 2236 01:47:47.079 --> 01:47:50.399 get an hour of Nitro. They had said that, and 2237 01:47:50.439 --> 01:47:53.479 they didn't quite get around to doing it for until 2238 01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:56.880 December of nineteen ninety seven, but that's fine. They were 2239 01:47:56.920 --> 01:47:58.880 toying with it, and they had plans on doing it 2240 01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:02.520 and accelerating in that direction. And Bischoff ends up playing 2241 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:06.359 a key role in the Piper thing because when Piper 2242 01:48:06.439 --> 01:48:10.239 comes in, he's demanding audience with Hulk Hogan. He's demanding 2243 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:13.600 a match with Hulkogan. And on the Nitro, I think 2244 01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:16.359 it's November eighteenth, nineteen ninety six where Bischoff turns heel. 2245 01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:20.800 It's in the ring with Piper in a segment not 2246 01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:22.960 unlike what we see in the ring at World War Three, 2247 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:26.560 except by that point Bischoff is freshly in the nWo category. 2248 01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:30.399 But you can see Bischoff is still kind of jittery 2249 01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:33.159 about playing the heel, so you know it's he's kind 2250 01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:35.520 of finding his voice here in this segment that took 2251 01:48:35.560 --> 01:48:38.359 place on Nitro. This is where the world came to 2252 01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:42.039 realize that the WCW boss was in the nwo's pocket 2253 01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:42.399 as well. 2254 01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:44.159 What airline? 2255 01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:47.319 Throw it airline. He's in his face about the contract terms, 2256 01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:48.239 and you have. 2257 01:48:48.279 --> 01:48:49.479 To go on up to my ranch. 2258 01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:51.920 When you come up to my ranch, tell me is 2259 01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:54.680 a road crooked or if the road straight, tell me 2260 01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:55.560 it's a road crooked. 2261 01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:56.319 I don't remember. 2262 01:48:56.439 --> 01:48:57.479 I don't remember. 2263 01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:02.760 Your piece, I said, nor. 2264 01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:26.199 So Bishop still with w W at this point. Ye oh. 2265 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:39.359 Now now that everybody realizes who everybody's working. 2266 01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:46.640 For, I mean, my god, this guy here was the 2267 01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:52.279 foundation of the w c W. Now he works for 2268 01:49:52.399 --> 01:49:53.119 the nWo. 2269 01:49:55.359 --> 01:49:55.960 I'll tell you what. 2270 01:49:56.159 --> 01:50:06.319 Stand him up, but watch him, watch him real close. Hey, 2271 01:50:07.039 --> 01:50:13.840 you know something, Piper. You're a loser fighting a losing battle. 2272 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:23.000 You have never been anything in the wrestling business. And 2273 01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:28.319 until you wrestled me, Piper, nobody even knew your name. Now, 2274 01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:35.159 rowdy Roddy Piper is such a coward he won't even 2275 01:50:35.239 --> 01:50:38.239 sign a contract to wrestle me. And since you won't 2276 01:50:38.319 --> 01:50:41.760 get in the ring with me, Piper, you will never 2277 01:50:42.640 --> 01:50:51.239 be anything. My man, I think it's time to teach 2278 01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:52.720 you who will respect Piper? 2279 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:02.399 Mm hm hm h. 2280 01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:20.720 H h h. 2281 01:51:22.199 --> 01:51:24.199 Listen to all those nWo as opposed to w c 2282 01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:39.119 W fans. Yeah right, mm hmm deebs, Are we on? 2283 01:51:39.399 --> 01:51:39.680 Are we on? 2284 01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:45.119 Today? I think I don't even know if they're on 2285 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:48.840 the air or not. Did you see what I saw? 2286 01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:49.119 Was that? 2287 01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:51.680 Now they don't have Bischoff. Now they're like rudderless. They 2288 01:51:51.680 --> 01:51:54.319 don't know what to do in the announcement, it's so 2289 01:51:54.479 --> 01:51:56.159 good association. I'm gonna go crawl off. 2290 01:51:57.000 --> 01:51:59.960 Oh my god, I just throw up because remember bish 2291 01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:02.880 Off was lead an answer for hour two of Nitro, 2292 01:52:03.039 --> 01:52:04.159 so Shivanni is not even there. 2293 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:10.399 He leaves after hour one. I just can't believe what 2294 01:52:10.399 --> 01:52:10.800 I'm saying. 2295 01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:11.520 I can't eat this. 2296 01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:13.680 We gotta go, we gotta go. 2297 01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:15.039 We'll see everybody next Monday. 2298 01:52:15.359 --> 01:52:15.760 Sick ning. 2299 01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:17.239 It's a sick excell. 2300 01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:25.560 Did did. 2301 01:52:27.199 --> 01:52:36.680 Did little, did didn't North Virginia. 2302 01:52:37.600 --> 01:52:44.760 I'll have a contract in my cake, no surrender, no drat. 2303 01:52:48.119 --> 01:52:50.159 Hey, well they. 2304 01:52:57.119 --> 01:53:09.319 Slaps his ass, I kiss my ass. Oh man, that 2305 01:53:09.439 --> 01:53:12.560 combination of like enthralling, that's they're ending with a hot 2306 01:53:12.600 --> 01:53:13.920 angle and that you have to go to bed for 2307 01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:14.680 school the next day. 2308 01:53:15.279 --> 01:53:20.039 Yeah. Music is triggering for me in that way. Yes, yeah, yeah, 2309 01:53:20.119 --> 01:53:22.680 it's like you know, because you're also on a HT 2310 01:53:24.359 --> 01:53:28.159 you know, it's not like they you know, back in 2311 01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:30.560 the day, they kept they let you. They left your 2312 01:53:30.600 --> 01:53:31.079 wanting more. 2313 01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:35.760 Imagine that, yeah, not wishing it not hard, not wishing 2314 01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:38.640 it was over, which it tends to be more often 2315 01:53:38.680 --> 01:53:40.119 than not. Now by the time you get to the end, 2316 01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:41.800 the lapsed. 2317 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:57.439 Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys 2318 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:15.840 need their candy, it's the Lapsed He's an lapsed fan 2319 01:54:15.960 --> 01:54:20.239 wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and JP Sorrow. 2320 01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:25.279 But my god, the Piper there obviously calling out Hogan 2321 01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:27.600 for this very pay per view World War three and 2322 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:30.439 the contract signing, and he's ready to do the damn thing. 2323 01:54:31.439 --> 01:54:33.520 Piper would do a lot of that at the end. 2324 01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:36.199 He would like go longer than the TV times allow, 2325 01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:38.880 and unfortunately he was able to get in the key 2326 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:40.640 points there at the very end. 2327 01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:41.039 But that's it. 2328 01:54:41.159 --> 01:54:45.079 That's Bishoff turning there on on WCW in the Whole Company, 2329 01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:47.119 and you heard the discuss in Bobby Heenon and Mike 2330 01:54:47.159 --> 01:54:51.600 Today's voice. He did an absolute MVP like, oh yeah, 2331 01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:54.119 if we did an nWo journey, like Bobby Heenan be 2332 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:57.760 the hero because he's the guy that makes those Shawanni 2333 01:54:57.800 --> 01:54:59.319 does a wonderful job as well at this. I mean, 2334 01:54:59.359 --> 01:55:00.800 you know, of course, I'll Coogan can go to hell 2335 01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:01.479 all those lines. 2336 01:55:02.399 --> 01:55:08.039 Yeah, but what's he doing Heenan because because this what 2337 01:55:08.239 --> 01:55:14.319 what makes Heenan stand out in this situation is Heenan's 2338 01:55:14.359 --> 01:55:19.199 a heel, he's a steal and he's against the and he's. 2339 01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:21.720 Been right all along about Huld Cogan, So it's like, 2340 01:55:22.319 --> 01:55:25.199 you know, he's the heel that like everyone has to 2341 01:55:25.279 --> 01:55:27.720 kind of shut up and listen to. Now, that was 2342 01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:33.319 the greatest, greatest element that they did was to also 2343 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:38.319 make Heenan be against the LU because it added it 2344 01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:43.439 added a whole different layer to it, because if Heenan's 2345 01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:47.520 against the nWo, Holy YEA. Logically you would say Heenan 2346 01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:50.199 would have to support the nWo because he's a heel, right, 2347 01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:53.479 But thereafter his job, he's too good, he's too good 2348 01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:56.479 to to go that way. Because I'm sure he had 2349 01:55:56.600 --> 01:55:58.279 quite a bit of leeway and what he said out there, 2350 01:55:58.760 --> 01:56:01.520 I'm sure he's set the tone. I mean, I'm sure 2351 01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:03.760 they didn't expressly tell him to support the nWo and 2352 01:56:03.800 --> 01:56:05.479 he went against it. But at the same time, he 2353 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:07.239 gave texture to what it would sound like if he 2354 01:56:07.359 --> 01:56:09.520 was against the nWo, and it was money from the beginning, 2355 01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:10.920 so you would never second guess it. 2356 01:56:11.399 --> 01:56:12.199 And that was his instinct. 2357 01:56:12.279 --> 01:56:13.880 He was dead on. It's like I have to be 2358 01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:16.640 I have to feel under siege. And Heenan's good at that, 2359 01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:18.560 especially because he had that next surgery, and he was 2360 01:56:18.600 --> 01:56:21.159 horrified of even being touched. And everybody knew that, at 2361 01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:23.359 least in the inside of the business and the famous 2362 01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:25.279 Brian Pilin thing in the clash where he drops the 2363 01:56:25.399 --> 01:56:27.680 F bomb because Pillman goes into business himself and grabs 2364 01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:30.840 Heenen's headset, and Heenan was very persnickety about his neck. 2365 01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:33.560 I was really worried that it could reaggravate an injury. 2366 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:36.800 And so there's that too, Like there's this frailty about 2367 01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:42.119 Bobby Heenan that the nWo just absolutely could exploit, Like, 2368 01:56:42.520 --> 01:56:44.560 you know, if they did rough him up, if they 2369 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:47.560 did smack his head. That's a serious situation for Bobby Heenan, 2370 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:50.399 way more so than anybody else. They were attacking in 2371 01:56:50.479 --> 01:56:52.560 a lot of ways, so you almost could you could 2372 01:56:52.600 --> 01:56:55.640 believe the fear he had over and above just what's 2373 01:56:55.720 --> 01:56:57.680 the right play here as an announcer to get this 2374 01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:00.359 angle over r But for his personal safety, they would 2375 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:02.720 show up and just you wouldn't know where it was going. 2376 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:03.079 You know. 2377 01:57:03.159 --> 01:57:05.199 It's not like these guys were included on very much. 2378 01:57:05.239 --> 01:57:07.159 They didn't know who was going to win the pay 2379 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:09.840 per view matches and stuff. Shavanni's talked about this, so 2380 01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:11.399 they don't know what Dannabal is going to do when 2381 01:57:11.439 --> 01:57:15.680 they're out there and they're invading the announced desk. Wonderful, 2382 01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.680 wonderful stuff. Heen and heen and heen and heen and heenan. 2383 01:57:18.920 --> 01:57:21.399 It's it's kind of a thing, you know when I 2384 01:57:21.600 --> 01:57:25.239 when when I probably mentioned it when we were doing 2385 01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:37.119 the ninety seven shows, but I I uh, I actually 2386 01:57:37.199 --> 01:57:39.880 thought that that would that that would be what made 2387 01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:45.279 the Heart Foundation in ninety seven be like the nw 2388 01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:49.680 ROW because I thought there was no way once they started, 2389 01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:54.039 once they turned Brett hard heel, there's no way Jerry 2390 01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:58.920 Lawler can be a fan right the history they have 2391 01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:02.760 him insulting the family, like he would have to turn it, 2392 01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:07.319 like Lawler would have to be against the Heart Foundation. 2393 01:58:08.640 --> 01:58:10.800 He didn't. It kind of wasn't. I was going to say, no, 2394 01:58:10.960 --> 01:58:12.920 he didn't, he didn't. It was what I thought they 2395 01:58:12.920 --> 01:58:16.159 would they would do, but they didn't do it. I 2396 01:58:16.239 --> 01:58:19.640 was kind of bummed. I was really bummed about that. 2397 01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:21.279 I thought I thought that would have been a great 2398 01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:24.800 another added element. I mean, I know probably now they 2399 01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:30.520 didn't want to like copy the nWo too much, you know, 2400 01:58:30.560 --> 01:58:33.640 because it's always funny how everyone equates d X as 2401 01:58:33.680 --> 01:58:40.479 being the nWo kind of mirror the W's because it 2402 01:58:40.560 --> 01:58:42.920 was that was never it for me. I mean, it 2403 01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:47.680 became it eventually, but in reality, for me, it was 2404 01:58:47.720 --> 01:58:52.039 the Heart Foundation. The Heart Foundation was that they were 2405 01:58:52.079 --> 01:58:58.279 the nWo for me in every stable that I formed 2406 01:58:58.319 --> 01:59:01.880 in the business after the WO was compared TOWO. So yeah, 2407 01:59:01.880 --> 01:59:06.359 I remember people talk about that ANNWO ripoff. Yeah, but 2408 01:59:07.039 --> 01:59:13.680 like the Hart Foundation symbolized the major baby face turning 2409 01:59:13.680 --> 01:59:18.680 the heel and forming and bringing together his family, and 2410 01:59:19.079 --> 01:59:21.359 that's what I always thought was kind of what made 2411 01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:24.399 it different, what made it more nWo like then, say 2412 01:59:24.479 --> 01:59:26.319 the Nation Domination, where that was just a bunch of 2413 01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:27.119 guys coming in. 2414 01:59:27.239 --> 01:59:29.199 Can I revisit Can I revisit something we talked about 2415 01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:31.199 a little earlier. It just occurred to me, you know, 2416 01:59:31.319 --> 01:59:35.520 the night after WrestleMania fourteen, when Steve Austin finally wins 2417 01:59:35.560 --> 01:59:37.399 the championship. We know at the tail end of that, 2418 01:59:37.479 --> 01:59:41.239 dude Love comes out like a maniac in attacks Austin. 2419 01:59:41.560 --> 01:59:45.119 Thus Austin's first Programs champion is set in stone against me. Fully, 2420 01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:47.199 I do invite you to consider a world where instead 2421 01:59:47.199 --> 01:59:49.239 of dude Love attacking Steve Austin on that raw, it's 2422 01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:50.479 macho man, Randy Savage. 2423 01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:55.000 Oh fucking me, I've been amazing. That would have been 2424 01:59:55.319 --> 02:00:02.119 amazing if they fu uh just punching him in the 2425 02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:04.600 head like a madman on the table, yeah, and drop 2426 02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:07.800 on the elbow and it was like, you know, like 2427 02:00:08.079 --> 02:00:10.399 like he doesn't he just comes out of no well way, 2428 02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:12.920 he comes out of the crowd and he starts fucking 2429 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:16.439 wailing on him. That would have been amazing. 2430 02:00:18.840 --> 02:00:21.159 Oh what a time to be a wrestling fan when 2431 02:00:21.359 --> 02:00:23.199 like you could dream up things like that and it 2432 02:00:23.359 --> 02:00:24.000 might happen. 2433 02:00:23.920 --> 02:00:26.199 Right, because it could happen. I mean they would, they 2434 02:00:26.239 --> 02:00:28.039 would kind of tease shit like that. 2435 02:00:28.159 --> 02:00:28.319 You know. 2436 02:00:28.399 --> 02:00:31.520 We talked to you know, fucking XPOC coming out the 2437 02:00:31.600 --> 02:00:35.279 night after wrestling Hea fourteen and saying that Hall and 2438 02:00:35.359 --> 02:00:38.560 Nash would be here if they weren't locked up in 2439 02:00:38.600 --> 02:00:41.479 their contract. It's like, oh, yeah, you actually thought that 2440 02:00:41.600 --> 02:00:44.640 was just a pretty a prelude to them coming. I 2441 02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:46.279 thought by the summertime they were going to be in 2442 02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:54.279 the company. Uh, those were those were the days. No question. 2443 02:00:56.239 --> 02:00:57.560 They made a note in The Observer that the only 2444 02:00:57.640 --> 02:00:59.880 hint of a turn that Bischoff had before doing that, 2445 02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:02.119 and that Nitro was Mike Today the first hour, asking 2446 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:05.800 Bischoff why would he ever make a deal before wargames 2447 02:01:06.079 --> 02:01:08.560 to give the nWo their own TV show if they won, 2448 02:01:08.920 --> 02:01:11.079 Like to your point earlier, like you're the president, Like 2449 02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:14.600 why would you even make that offer? And now it 2450 02:01:14.720 --> 02:01:20.760 became clear why? Yeah, And Meltzer notes the angle came 2451 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:22.680 off good on television and probably could be used to 2452 02:01:22.680 --> 02:01:25.439 answer lots of questions about why nWo was able to 2453 02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:28.119 do whatever it wanted, but also makes no sense and 2454 02:01:28.199 --> 02:01:30.399 that the entire idea of the feud was because of 2455 02:01:30.520 --> 02:01:33.439 Bischoff's remarks, and it was Bischoff who was attacked to 2456 02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:35.720 start the feud. Of course, they could say that was 2457 02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:38.079 all the work, right, They didn't. They didn't talk about that. 2458 02:01:38.119 --> 02:01:40.479 They never talked about like, well, were you in on 2459 02:01:40.600 --> 02:01:43.359 it when Kevin Nash powerbombed you with Great American bash? 2460 02:01:44.279 --> 02:01:46.199 You know, were you already nWo for life? 2461 02:01:46.239 --> 02:01:46.399 Then? 2462 02:01:47.079 --> 02:01:49.640 I feel like didn't we kind of maybe maybe this 2463 02:01:49.800 --> 02:01:56.960 was our hypothesis that it was that that that that 2464 02:01:57.199 --> 02:01:59.560 he wasn't nWo at that time, but he was nWo 2465 02:02:01.239 --> 02:02:02.960 after that, and Mike was like, you know what, I 2466 02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.960 got to join up with these guys. They're fucking you know, 2467 02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:06.920 they're too much. 2468 02:02:07.000 --> 02:02:09.359 Now I think that's probably it. But they didn't make 2469 02:02:09.399 --> 02:02:12.159 that abundantly clear and a memorable promo like you would expect. 2470 02:02:12.359 --> 02:02:14.359 There wasn't like one of those unless I'm forgetting it, 2471 02:02:14.359 --> 02:02:16.039 and I don't think I am. There wasn't one of 2472 02:02:16.119 --> 02:02:19.520 those like why Eric, why moments. He just kept coming 2473 02:02:19.560 --> 02:02:21.439 out with them and holding the mic for Hogan, you know, 2474 02:02:22.039 --> 02:02:24.439 and making the face and everything. But there was never 2475 02:02:24.640 --> 02:02:27.000 like an explanation as there's a lot of holes in 2476 02:02:27.039 --> 02:02:28.720 it because he still has to be the president. We're 2477 02:02:28.720 --> 02:02:31.359 going to talk here about how you talk about Hogan 2478 02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:34.159 having like this awkward position of going on QVC and 2479 02:02:34.279 --> 02:02:36.640 Entertainment tonight and Regis and Kaffe as a heel. Bischoff 2480 02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:40.880 is the fucking real legit president WCW, budget authority, corporate 2481 02:02:41.119 --> 02:02:43.840 officer at Turner Broadcasting, and now he's got to go 2482 02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:47.119 out into the world after having just you know, said 2483 02:02:47.239 --> 02:02:50.920 WCW sucks death to WCW on Monday Night and now 2484 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:54.039 cut deals as the WCW head man. You wouldn't think 2485 02:02:54.039 --> 02:02:55.840 it would be that big of a deal, but it 2486 02:02:55.920 --> 02:02:58.319 did put people like Harvey Schiller in an awkward position, 2487 02:02:58.359 --> 02:03:01.680 as he talks about here from Controversy creates cash. I 2488 02:03:01.720 --> 02:03:03.560 think we're going to hand this over to the boss 2489 02:03:03.640 --> 02:03:06.359 Man for a little bit of reading from Eric's book, 2490 02:03:06.359 --> 02:03:11.479 which always makes for fascinating compare in contrast to what 2491 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:14.640 he says now about the same events on his podcast. 2492 02:03:14.760 --> 02:03:27.199 So here we go. Finding my inner thrill a gradual thing. 2493 02:03:27.760 --> 02:03:32.520 Often in life, there aren't really clear defining moments or transitions. 2494 02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:36.560 A lot of times, concepts are the amalgamation of days 2495 02:03:36.680 --> 02:03:40.319 or weeks or months of conversation and collaboration. It's always 2496 02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:42.760 difficult for me to look back and pinput exactly where 2497 02:03:43.000 --> 02:03:46.760 or how a certain storyline or angle was born. They 2498 02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:48.960 have all over time. You'll be at a meeting and 2499 02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:52.079 someone will throw out the kernel of an idea, and 2500 02:03:52.239 --> 02:03:55.239 someone else throws out something that changes the idea, which 2501 02:03:55.319 --> 02:03:59.119 is how I, or rather my on screen character, joined 2502 02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:03.800 the New World Order. I can be dishonest about it 2503 02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:05.720 and blow smoke up my ass like so many other 2504 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:07.720 people do, and make up a story, but the truth is, 2505 02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:11.680 I don't remember where the decision was. That's not so 2506 02:04:11.880 --> 02:04:14.800 fucking that's so fucking bus He doesn't stopped using I 2507 02:04:14.880 --> 02:04:18.760 don't remember where the decision was made or how it 2508 02:04:18.880 --> 02:04:20.920 came about. And you know, I don't doubt him, but 2509 02:04:21.039 --> 02:04:23.840 I also always have to wonder he might know exactly 2510 02:04:23.880 --> 02:04:25.319 where it came from. It doesn't want to give that 2511 02:04:25.359 --> 02:04:28.680 person credit. We always have to consider that possibility too, 2512 02:04:28.720 --> 02:04:30.439 as to when he has these memory holes. You know, 2513 02:04:30.800 --> 02:04:32.640 maybe Kevin Sullivan came up with it and he didn't 2514 02:04:32.720 --> 02:04:35.960 like him. You know, I was gonna say, and doesn't 2515 02:04:35.960 --> 02:04:38.279 want to give someone credit, right, or it doesn't doesn't 2516 02:04:38.279 --> 02:04:39.640 want to have give them credit, but it also doesn't 2517 02:04:39.640 --> 02:04:41.760 want to have a battle when they if they if they, 2518 02:04:42.520 --> 02:04:46.039 you know, backlash waiter. That's my idea. 2519 02:04:46.960 --> 02:04:51.159 I think have Biscotti something that I understand when he 2520 02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:54.520 says he doesn't remember some storyline six matches down, you know, 2521 02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:57.039 but it's his heel turn, and he doesn't remember who 2522 02:04:57.119 --> 02:04:59.439 put that on the table, his own heel turn. 2523 02:04:59.680 --> 02:05:02.199 I don't. I don't remember, and I didn't I don't 2524 02:05:02.239 --> 02:05:11.359 know that The second half is the truth. Yeah, right, Uh. 2525 02:05:11.960 --> 02:05:13.880 We were looking for a plot twist, something that would 2526 02:05:14.159 --> 02:05:17.119 shock the so you do remember you're looking for a 2527 02:05:17.159 --> 02:05:18.880 plot because don't remember whether it is in a game. Well, 2528 02:05:18.880 --> 02:05:20.560 you're looking for a plot twist. That's you. That's a 2529 02:05:20.760 --> 02:05:24.840 nice who, something that would shock the audience a little bit. 2530 02:05:24.920 --> 02:05:28.159 Up until that point the camera. Up until that point 2531 02:05:28.199 --> 02:05:32.560 on camera, my character represented the traditional pro wcw faction. 2532 02:05:33.239 --> 02:05:35.720 I was AGAs at the nWo invasion and everything the 2533 02:05:35.800 --> 02:05:39.199 outsiders did and represented. I was trying to fight them off. 2534 02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:41.840 When I revealed myself to be part of the nWo 2535 02:05:41.960 --> 02:05:45.439 in November nineteen ninety six, the thinking was that this 2536 02:05:45.680 --> 02:05:49.239 nWo cancer had gotten so deep inside the executive structure 2537 02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:52.560 that they'd finally gotten to me. As the head of WCW, 2538 02:05:52.720 --> 02:05:55.600 I was the ultimate turncoat, the boss who turned out 2539 02:05:55.640 --> 02:05:57.800 to be part of the evil invasion. In some ways, 2540 02:05:57.840 --> 02:06:00.359 though it was a very natural move for the character, 2541 02:06:00.960 --> 02:06:03.239 the audience didn't like me that much anyway. I was 2542 02:06:03.279 --> 02:06:06.640 the outsider, the guy who hadn't paid his dues. The 2543 02:06:06.760 --> 02:06:11.680 decisions I made in power were counterintuitive and against conventional wisdom, 2544 02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:14.439 so the fans who claimed to be insiders are purest 2545 02:06:14.520 --> 02:06:18.319 despised me. I embraced that, turned up the volume on it, 2546 02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:21.159 and made it work for us. I found my inner heel. 2547 02:06:21.199 --> 02:06:23.319 I knew people would say things like, oh, Bischoff just 2548 02:06:23.399 --> 02:06:26.439 wants to be in the limelight and part of something successful. 2549 02:06:26.880 --> 02:06:29.520 I it's kind of funny that I never thought that 2550 02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:32.159 about Bischoff. Maybe I was the only maybe I was 2551 02:06:32.279 --> 02:06:35.479 naive about it, but I never thought that, you know, 2552 02:06:35.680 --> 02:06:40.000 like the whole Ken Doll wanta be thing like, Yeah, 2553 02:06:40.039 --> 02:06:43.119 I just didn't see him as being this kind of 2554 02:06:43.279 --> 02:06:47.479 guy who needed the attention. Yeah, well up until this 2555 02:06:47.680 --> 02:06:49.560 I mean like back and I'm talking about when he 2556 02:06:49.600 --> 02:06:51.760 first came to the company and up until this point. Yeah, 2557 02:06:51.800 --> 02:06:52.560 well it's. 2558 02:06:53.920 --> 02:06:55.960 It's kind of curious that he even put himself in 2559 02:06:56.000 --> 02:06:58.399 the announced position on Nitro in the first place. You know, 2560 02:06:58.520 --> 02:07:00.319 I think it kind of goes back to that, like 2561 02:07:00.680 --> 02:07:03.399 why do you have to be the lead voice? You know, like, no, 2562 02:07:03.720 --> 02:07:05.399 to me, he was the lead. Why does Vince sig 2563 02:07:05.439 --> 02:07:07.640 Man against it? But he would he would want to 2564 02:07:07.640 --> 02:07:09.520 be on TV when Vince was on TV. That was 2565 02:07:09.560 --> 02:07:10.880 a big thing for him to be able to say 2566 02:07:10.960 --> 02:07:12.760 what he needed to say to counteract what was going 2567 02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:17.760 on on television, but on the WWF TV if that 2568 02:07:17.880 --> 02:07:21.560 became necessary. But I think that's maybe where it started 2569 02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:24.039 people saying like he's just thrusting himself into the into 2570 02:07:24.079 --> 02:07:27.039 the forefront. Not against it, not say it's a bad idea. 2571 02:07:27.039 --> 02:07:28.920 I'm just trying to figure out why people would say 2572 02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:30.840 that about him before he turned heel. 2573 02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:33.119 It was he didn't do commentary beforehand, and he was like, 2574 02:07:33.159 --> 02:07:35.119 he wasn't on TV before here he was, I know, 2575 02:07:35.359 --> 02:07:35.760 but he was. 2576 02:07:36.840 --> 02:07:39.319 He was much more running the show behind the scenes 2577 02:07:39.359 --> 02:07:41.520 than he was. He wasn't first string, It wasn't on 2578 02:07:41.600 --> 02:07:45.680 pay per views for example, as a lead commentator. And 2579 02:07:45.760 --> 02:07:47.279 then they do Nitro and he's right there in the 2580 02:07:47.359 --> 02:07:50.720 center of the desk. It seemed like abrupt. It seemed 2581 02:07:50.760 --> 02:07:53.000 abrupt that he would be now the lead voice of 2582 02:07:53.000 --> 02:07:56.079 the whole company as the boss, right, I mean Rob. 2583 02:07:55.920 --> 02:07:59.039 Bartlett wasn't you know, you know when they put him 2584 02:07:59.119 --> 02:08:04.800 fucking front, Steve mcmongo, Steve mcmongoe, Steve m Bartlett for sure, 2585 02:08:04.880 --> 02:08:07.720 those early Nitro days. Oh absolutely absolutely was. 2586 02:08:09.680 --> 02:08:12.319 But yeah, he's saying, you know, because it's true, like 2587 02:08:12.439 --> 02:08:16.920 he's the nWo absolutely catches fire and like he's got 2588 02:08:16.960 --> 02:08:22.520 to join him. Really You're like why, yeah, yeah, I 2589 02:08:22.600 --> 02:08:26.079 mean because it'll annoy people. You know, Yeah, that's Bishop. 2590 02:08:29.439 --> 02:08:32.560 I knew there'd be personal attacks and barbs from the 2591 02:08:32.840 --> 02:08:37.640 from the dirt sheet writers and read and never pays 2592 02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:39.840 attention to. He brought him up three times and one 2593 02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:46.720 paragraph who were quite frankly jealous. I didn't care, because 2594 02:08:46.760 --> 02:08:50.359 to me, it just made sense. My career was going, 2595 02:08:50.680 --> 02:08:53.039 was going. I wasn't going to be defined by my 2596 02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:56.640 character but by how the company, but by how the 2597 02:08:56.720 --> 02:08:59.880 company did so I had nothing to lose, and every 2598 02:09:00.279 --> 02:09:03.720 the game. You can't have babyfaces without people. The fans 2599 02:09:03.800 --> 02:09:08.079 really hate, and they hated me blowing the line I 2600 02:09:08.199 --> 02:09:10.840 was in fairly. I was in a fairly unique position 2601 02:09:10.920 --> 02:09:14.600 for a character in pro wrestling or any entertainment medium. Frankly, 2602 02:09:15.640 --> 02:09:18.039 I was Eric Bischoff, the president of a high profile 2603 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:20.640 division of Turner Broadcasting and the executive producer of one 2604 02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:24.079 of the most successful shows on cable television, playing Eric Bischoff, 2605 02:09:24.119 --> 02:09:27.960 the evil, self serving bastard. I was running the real 2606 02:09:28.079 --> 02:09:31.000 company and the fictional one. It was confusing for people. 2607 02:09:31.039 --> 02:09:34.239 It was certainly confusing for the limited intellectual bandwidth of 2608 02:09:34.359 --> 02:09:37.760 the dirt sheet community. It brought them up, but it 2609 02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:43.359 was again again, But it was equally confusing for people 2610 02:09:43.720 --> 02:09:47.560 who thought they knew what was going on and in wrestling, 2611 02:09:47.680 --> 02:09:50.720 but weren't quite sure. That included a lot of executives 2612 02:09:50.760 --> 02:09:54.199 at Time Warner. There were definitely people walking around who 2613 02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:59.960 thought an absolute lunatic was running the company. They couldn't 2614 02:10:00.039 --> 02:10:03.960 distinguished between reality and the fiction we had created. It 2615 02:10:04.039 --> 02:10:06.039 can still be a problem these days when I deal 2616 02:10:06.079 --> 02:10:09.600 with entertainment executives on non wrestling projects, but I've learned 2617 02:10:09.640 --> 02:10:12.920 to accept it and sometimes use it to my advantage. 2618 02:10:13.039 --> 02:10:15.560 Even in business. When I sense that I may be 2619 02:10:15.640 --> 02:10:17.680 in the room with someone who may be confusing the 2620 02:10:17.840 --> 02:10:21.199 character Eric Bischoff with the person Eric Bischoff, I point 2621 02:10:21.239 --> 02:10:23.039 out in a fun way that there's a big difference 2622 02:10:23.039 --> 02:10:25.079 between the guy on television. 2623 02:10:26.039 --> 02:10:29.279 And the guy in the wa I wish whatever someone 2624 02:10:29.359 --> 02:10:32.159 called me out in a professional setting for bullshit, I 2625 02:10:32.199 --> 02:10:33.600 could just say that was my character. 2626 02:10:35.119 --> 02:10:40.000 Right, Well, confusing, that's that's the character on television. This 2627 02:10:40.079 --> 02:10:41.720 is I'm the guy in the room. Different. 2628 02:10:42.159 --> 02:10:43.960 Me is the one that has never offended you, and 2629 02:10:44.279 --> 02:10:47.000 we'll always do what you want. Yeah, right, So so 2630 02:10:47.159 --> 02:10:49.760 pick and choose the things that I that didn't offend you, 2631 02:10:49.840 --> 02:10:54.000 that me right, No, No, that didn't offend me. The 2632 02:10:54.079 --> 02:10:55.640 things that are real, the things that offended you. 2633 02:10:55.760 --> 02:10:58.039 That's that's the character. That's what I am on A 2634 02:10:58.159 --> 02:11:03.880 nice option to have huh until I leave the house? Brother? 2635 02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:06.439 What that really? 2636 02:11:06.600 --> 02:11:08.439 That really started freaking him out when they started doing 2637 02:11:08.520 --> 02:11:11.840 zoom because he couldn't you, brother, I'm in the house, Like, 2638 02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:13.640 but I want to be hul hoging, but I'm in 2639 02:11:13.680 --> 02:11:13.960 the house. 2640 02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:17.279 Well, I don't want to be hul Hogan. I'm the house, 2641 02:11:17.680 --> 02:11:19.279 but you need me to be hul Hogan. Well, I'm 2642 02:11:19.279 --> 02:11:23.279 in my house. Brother, This just can't happen. Dude, Dude, 2643 02:11:23.279 --> 02:11:26.600 I can't zoom. Dude, he has to zoom outdoors so 2644 02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:29.840 that so we can he can keep the delineation clear. 2645 02:11:31.720 --> 02:11:33.520 Mad him on his front, stupid. He kind of fucking 2646 02:11:33.560 --> 02:11:35.399 sneaks out, like making sure no one's there, so does 2647 02:11:35.479 --> 02:11:37.800 not that fucking hulk up for everybody else. Like you know, 2648 02:11:37.880 --> 02:11:40.399 anytime Rick Flair got in trouble with the ladies, that 2649 02:11:40.520 --> 02:11:43.840 was Ric Flair, that was not Richard Fleer. That's right, 2650 02:11:44.079 --> 02:11:46.640 no one's actually seen Richard Flair. We were joking about 2651 02:11:46.640 --> 02:11:46.920 that too. 2652 02:11:47.359 --> 02:11:49.960 It's like how many documentaries there had to be at 2653 02:11:50.039 --> 02:11:52.680 least six of them that that hinged on. I don't 2654 02:11:52.680 --> 02:11:56.159 even think Rick Flair knows who Richard Fleeer is such 2655 02:11:56.199 --> 02:11:59.720 a tired concept, you know. How about that the same person? 2656 02:12:00.880 --> 02:12:01.039 You know? 2657 02:12:01.159 --> 02:12:01.560 How about that? 2658 02:12:01.840 --> 02:12:04.119 How about everything Rick Flair is guilty of? Richard Fleer 2659 02:12:04.239 --> 02:12:04.520 is too? 2660 02:12:04.920 --> 02:12:07.640 How about Richard Fleer is dead? How about it's just 2661 02:12:08.239 --> 02:12:11.520 talk about it exactly? How about your fucking shut up? 2662 02:12:11.560 --> 02:12:13.239 You get Sean Michaels like sitting at a bar on 2663 02:12:13.399 --> 02:12:15.760 like ESPN thirty for thirty. I don't think Richard. I 2664 02:12:15.800 --> 02:12:18.359 don't think Rick even knows where Richard Fleer begins. And 2665 02:12:18.479 --> 02:12:20.479 Rick clare I'd like to meet, I like to meet. 2666 02:12:20.720 --> 02:12:24.239 Oh he said that, he said that, Oh god stop, 2667 02:12:24.880 --> 02:12:27.920 please stop. Such an idiot. Sewn Michaels, this guy whose 2668 02:12:27.960 --> 02:12:29.680 own family calls him Sewan even though it's not his 2669 02:12:29.760 --> 02:12:36.319 birth name. Yeah right, yeah, Michael, what's up? Mike hick 2670 02:12:36.399 --> 02:12:42.880 and Bottom. You see, I understand what's happening here. You're 2671 02:12:42.920 --> 02:12:43.399 not able. 2672 02:12:43.600 --> 02:12:47.319 You're not distinguishing the character from the real Eric Bischoff, 2673 02:12:47.359 --> 02:12:47.520 and I. 2674 02:12:47.520 --> 02:12:50.039 Get Look, I get it. He's in a leather jacket, 2675 02:12:50.119 --> 02:12:54.039 you know, and I get it. Yeah. Hey, the conference 2676 02:12:54.119 --> 02:13:03.199 table water water picture on it. Oh god, oh, oh 2677 02:13:03.479 --> 02:13:05.560 fucking leather. He's you know, he's standing up at the 2678 02:13:05.560 --> 02:13:08.479 head of the table. I get it, I get it, 2679 02:13:08.960 --> 02:13:11.880 But we have an opportunity confusing. What you're doing is 2680 02:13:11.880 --> 02:13:16.920 you're confusing the Eric Bischoff on Television's the Eric Bischoff 2681 02:13:17.079 --> 02:13:18.600 in the Yeah, I guess that's what I'm doing. Can 2682 02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:20.359 we just figure out who you are and get on 2683 02:13:20.479 --> 02:13:24.159 with it, please, I got six more meetings today. Just 2684 02:13:24.199 --> 02:13:26.279 fucking tell me which one you are and I'll believe it. Exactly. 2685 02:13:26.439 --> 02:13:29.479 Let's get past this point. Can we just agree which 2686 02:13:29.520 --> 02:13:32.199 one I'm talking to? No, not really because I have to, 2687 02:13:32.600 --> 02:13:34.960 I don't. I don't really care which one I'm talking to. 2688 02:13:35.039 --> 02:13:36.760 I just want to fucking talk to him and get 2689 02:13:36.800 --> 02:13:39.800 the fuck out of here. My daughter is a graduation party, 2690 02:13:39.880 --> 02:13:44.600 you know. Oh does your daughter have a graduation party? 2691 02:13:44.680 --> 02:13:47.520 Or does your daughter's character have a graduation. 2692 02:13:48.640 --> 02:13:48.800 Yeah? 2693 02:13:48.840 --> 02:13:50.359 I'm out of here, Thank you very much. This has 2694 02:13:50.399 --> 02:13:51.520 been a great fucking meeting. 2695 02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:54.960 FU meaning one of those dict Cheatham types is like 2696 02:13:56.079 --> 02:13:59.279 people who are forced to deal with ww TRU exactly. 2697 02:14:00.560 --> 02:14:01.680 Yeah, I'm done here. 2698 02:14:02.039 --> 02:14:02.319 Wow. 2699 02:14:05.039 --> 02:14:08.680 Whatever it is, just the toy Bis deal is going 2700 02:14:08.720 --> 02:14:14.239 to be massive yeah, right, we are in control. Fish 2701 02:14:14.279 --> 02:14:18.520 off tremendous with the black hair Jet black. 2702 02:14:19.239 --> 02:14:26.039 Oh for sure, that's just in big fucking shitty grin. 2703 02:14:27.880 --> 02:14:28.640 So we finished that. 2704 02:14:28.840 --> 02:14:31.600 That's it right, Yeah, there's a big difference between the 2705 02:14:31.680 --> 02:14:34.920 guy and television and the guy in the room. So 2706 02:14:35.039 --> 02:14:40.199 Nitro is riding high man twenty three weeks running. Let's see, 2707 02:14:41.159 --> 02:14:46.239 they replayed the Hogan Piper World War three angle the 2708 02:14:46.319 --> 02:14:51.039 next night on Nitro and almost its entirety interestingly enough, really, 2709 02:14:51.640 --> 02:14:53.840 and that did the peak number in the second hour, 2710 02:14:53.920 --> 02:14:56.640 four point zero for a tape that used to really 2711 02:14:56.720 --> 02:15:00.840 work for them at WCW. Remember the showing the Goldberg 2712 02:15:01.119 --> 02:15:05.399 DDP holloween havoc match that everyone lost out on. Yep, 2713 02:15:05.479 --> 02:15:08.159 not everyone, but that was the last time they ever 2714 02:15:08.199 --> 02:15:11.000 won the Monday Night Wars. It's a fucking tape of 2715 02:15:11.119 --> 02:15:12.800 the main event of a pay per view airing. They 2716 02:15:12.800 --> 02:15:15.359 should have just done that. Wow, I'd hurt their pay 2717 02:15:15.359 --> 02:15:17.159 per view bys But man, that was always great when 2718 02:15:17.239 --> 02:15:21.000 people could get a full kind of unadulterated glimpse at 2719 02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:22.920 what happened on the pay per view. They would watch 2720 02:15:22.960 --> 02:15:26.239 that shit, they would soak that up. So the way 2721 02:15:26.279 --> 02:15:28.359 it was going at the time. Let's see Ra's numbers, 2722 02:15:28.479 --> 02:15:31.159 Meltzer reported continued to be disappointing since the show featured 2723 02:15:31.159 --> 02:15:34.479 Brett Hart's first television match against Owen. That's after, of course, 2724 02:15:34.520 --> 02:15:38.199 he announced he was staying. All right, all right, yeah, 2725 02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:42.039 all right, that's a live interview with Michael's head to headquarter. 2726 02:15:42.399 --> 02:15:44.800 Nitro open two point five to two point one edge, 2727 02:15:45.159 --> 02:15:47.039 but increased its lead to three point Oher to one 2728 02:15:47.079 --> 02:15:50.520 point nine Nitro three point zero Raw one point nine 2729 02:15:52.119 --> 02:15:54.520 during a Bischoff interview angle. The gap narrowed after that, 2730 02:15:54.640 --> 02:15:56.600 but Nitro never had less than a point five lead. 2731 02:15:57.079 --> 02:15:57.359 Again. 2732 02:15:57.720 --> 02:15:59.880 This is the night after World War Three. Nitro's peak 2733 02:15:59.920 --> 02:16:01.840 in the second hour was four point zero for the 2734 02:16:01.880 --> 02:16:03.520 tape of the Piper Hogan angle from the pay per 2735 02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:06.640 view the night before, and the Mysterio Junior Varsity Coosis match, 2736 02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:10.479 dropping to a three point four for Jeff Jarrett versus 2737 02:16:10.680 --> 02:16:13.880 Alex Right and minging the Barbarian versus Harlem heat and 2738 02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:16.560 the ending angle. And I think that's the Nitro hour unopposed, 2739 02:16:16.600 --> 02:16:19.079 I think at that time, because Rob wasn't two hours 2740 02:16:19.159 --> 02:16:24.520 yet that started until the night Sid won the belt. Right, 2741 02:16:25.520 --> 02:16:26.760 that was the first two hour raw. 2742 02:16:27.680 --> 02:16:30.399 Yeah. Yeah, and then replay of Nitro even would do 2743 02:16:30.479 --> 02:16:32.120 good numbers. That was cool. 2744 02:16:32.479 --> 02:16:34.520 Bischoff always talks about that, like they would they would 2745 02:16:34.520 --> 02:16:36.520 wrap TV and they'd go to the bar at the 2746 02:16:36.559 --> 02:16:39.479 hotel and they'd watch the replay and like kind of 2747 02:16:40.040 --> 02:16:42.479 you know, game plan, like a tape review. 2748 02:16:42.600 --> 02:16:43.360 Yeah. I thought that that. 2749 02:16:43.559 --> 02:16:45.079 I can picture all the guys being in a bar. 2750 02:16:45.200 --> 02:16:46.879 They have it to themselves. It's a Monday night at like, 2751 02:16:46.920 --> 02:16:48.959 you know, eleven thirty, so it's not like anyone's around 2752 02:16:49.040 --> 02:16:51.920 and everyone's watching their shit back and making comments and 2753 02:16:52.000 --> 02:16:54.120 oh that actually got over, and everyone's eating and drinking. 2754 02:16:54.840 --> 02:16:58.040 I like to picture that. It was simply that the 2755 02:16:58.120 --> 02:16:59.920 Nabour of Nitro be the first hour. Okay, yeah, this 2756 02:16:59.920 --> 02:17:02.319 is what's going on in the newsletters at the time 2757 02:17:02.399 --> 02:17:05.040 around the idea of the nwo's own television show or 2758 02:17:05.079 --> 02:17:06.079 their own hour of Nitro. 2759 02:17:08.200 --> 02:17:09.639 Yeah, go ahead, I want to hear what peop want 2760 02:17:09.639 --> 02:17:09.799 to say. 2761 02:17:09.840 --> 02:17:11.399 It was simply that this is reporting on it. It 2762 02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:13.319 was simply that the nWo hour of Nitro will be 2763 02:17:13.360 --> 02:17:15.799 the first hour. Because the theory at WCW, and we'll 2764 02:17:15.840 --> 02:17:17.879 certainly find out if it's correct, is that people watch 2765 02:17:17.959 --> 02:17:20.399 the shows now mainly for nWo. Judging from the reaction 2766 02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:22.520 of the arenas, I'd guess it's a logical assumption. So 2767 02:17:22.559 --> 02:17:24.399 they wanted to put nWo head to head with RAW, 2768 02:17:24.680 --> 02:17:26.399 and Eric Bischoff wants to be on the air at 2769 02:17:26.399 --> 02:17:28.959 the same time as Vince McMahon. It's that simple and 2770 02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:30.479 there's nothing more to it than that. So in the 2771 02:17:30.639 --> 02:17:32.719 nWo hour starts, which should be in a week or two, 2772 02:17:32.760 --> 02:17:35.200 which did end up happening, Bischoff and Larry's Obisco will 2773 02:17:35.239 --> 02:17:37.120 do that hour and the second hour will be Tony 2774 02:17:37.159 --> 02:17:39.319 Shavanni who walked off the first hour this week after 2775 02:17:39.360 --> 02:17:42.319 an argument with Zibisco, Bobby Heenen and Mike today. So 2776 02:17:42.399 --> 02:17:44.520 they're saying that the head to head hour, which is 2777 02:17:44.600 --> 02:17:46.440 nine to ten, because they were on an hour after 2778 02:17:46.680 --> 02:17:49.120 Raw was during nine to ten they wanted to have 2779 02:17:50.479 --> 02:17:53.600 Bishoff on the air, and so that's the because WWF's on, 2780 02:17:53.879 --> 02:17:56.559 and so that's the reason the nWo would have gotten 2781 02:17:56.600 --> 02:17:59.760 hour one instead of hour two. I think great stuff 2782 02:18:00.680 --> 02:18:02.799 didn't happen. Wonder why, I know why, because this is 2783 02:18:02.799 --> 02:18:07.920 a stupid idea. Yeah, I mean, it's not a company, 2784 02:18:08.200 --> 02:18:12.600 it's a fucking it's a stable. How hard is that 2785 02:18:12.680 --> 02:18:14.319 they want their own television show? They just want to 2786 02:18:14.360 --> 02:18:17.360 fuck with people? Why do they want their own television show? 2787 02:18:18.239 --> 02:18:19.200 This didn't make any sense. 2788 02:18:20.079 --> 02:18:22.680 It makes no sense, and it starts. 2789 02:18:22.760 --> 02:18:24.959 This is the beginning of basically a year of this shit. 2790 02:18:25.079 --> 02:18:27.639 Like his nWo show going to start soon. It just 2791 02:18:27.719 --> 02:18:30.639 would go on week after week. The date would be 2792 02:18:30.680 --> 02:18:33.440 pushed out. This reads the word we got this isn't. 2793 02:18:33.440 --> 02:18:35.959 The observer was the nWo R of Nitro would start 2794 02:18:36.040 --> 02:18:38.879 on December second. However, on the November twenty fifth show, 2795 02:18:38.879 --> 02:18:40.719 there was no mention of that happening next week. The 2796 02:18:40.799 --> 02:18:43.799 last word was that Dbias and Bischoff would announce the 2797 02:18:43.840 --> 02:18:47.920 first hour. And this is of course the plans that 2798 02:18:48.079 --> 02:18:50.879 fell to the wayside. Bishoff on his podcast, talking about 2799 02:18:50.879 --> 02:18:52.920 how Ted DIBIASI just was not comfortable in the role 2800 02:18:53.159 --> 02:18:57.680 of nWo color commentator, Bishoff remembers DBAs as being awkward 2801 02:18:57.719 --> 02:19:00.879 as part of the nWo. Originally, Bischoffs had his intent 2802 02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:04.040 in bringing him in was to do color commentary, and 2803 02:19:04.159 --> 02:19:06.520 he felt that Debisi was kind of so so in 2804 02:19:06.639 --> 02:19:08.719 that role, and then he thought he'd be part of 2805 02:19:08.760 --> 02:19:12.600 the nWo, So it was not that day one Dbisi 2806 02:19:12.639 --> 02:19:13.719 would be nWo, but that. 2807 02:19:13.760 --> 02:19:14.559 He'd be color. 2808 02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:18.079 And he said, yeah, he hate a great voice and 2809 02:19:18.120 --> 02:19:19.799 a great look and all the credibility in the world. 2810 02:19:20.920 --> 02:19:22.760 And he could have been the mouthpiece because he could 2811 02:19:22.760 --> 02:19:24.440 cut great promos. So they figured he could be a 2812 02:19:24.600 --> 02:19:29.399 WO mouthpiece, but it just wasn't something he was comfortable doing. 2813 02:19:29.760 --> 02:19:32.360 So I guess to be the mouthpiece of the nWo 2814 02:19:32.520 --> 02:19:35.200 just wasn't a role. Debis had just found God and 2815 02:19:35.280 --> 02:19:35.719 all that too. 2816 02:19:36.040 --> 02:19:36.879 There was that I. 2817 02:19:36.920 --> 02:19:40.879 Remember, right, it came out about you know, Jesus saving 2818 02:19:40.920 --> 02:19:44.559 his life and all that shit. So so maybe that 2819 02:19:44.719 --> 02:19:47.520 that played into it too, So it didn't end up happening. 2820 02:19:47.639 --> 02:19:51.120 But that's kind of the the lot the dynam dynamism 2821 02:19:51.159 --> 02:19:53.200 of what's happening at the time in WCW around World 2822 02:19:53.239 --> 02:19:55.760 War Three. Here's Bishoff on his podcast talking a bit 2823 02:19:55.799 --> 02:19:56.200 more about it. 2824 02:19:57.280 --> 02:19:59.120 Well, I mean there was a dual purpose. I think 2825 02:19:59.360 --> 02:20:02.680 my role in the nWo, at least on paper, and 2826 02:20:02.799 --> 02:20:06.000 I think, you know, trying to be as subjective as 2827 02:20:06.040 --> 02:20:08.520 I can or objective as I can. I think I 2828 02:20:08.600 --> 02:20:12.879 did a pretty decent job and it was a necessary role. 2829 02:20:13.879 --> 02:20:16.799 nWo needed their version of Gene Oakland, which is really 2830 02:20:16.879 --> 02:20:21.600 all I was. But I was the president of the company. 2831 02:20:21.760 --> 02:20:25.639 The underlying storyline is the outsiders nWo were coming in 2832 02:20:25.799 --> 02:20:29.120 to take over WCW. What better way to take over 2833 02:20:29.319 --> 02:20:33.520 WCW than to, you know, have the owner or excuse me, 2834 02:20:33.639 --> 02:20:37.239 the president of the company betray the very company he's 2835 02:20:37.319 --> 02:20:40.040 president of inside with nWo. So I think from a 2836 02:20:40.159 --> 02:20:43.639 storytelling point of view, it made sense. From a functional 2837 02:20:43.760 --> 02:20:47.600 point of view, nWo needed their gene Oakland, and that's 2838 02:20:47.680 --> 02:20:51.719 really what my role was. And I think moving me 2839 02:20:51.840 --> 02:20:54.639 away from commentary, the only way that that role would 2840 02:20:54.680 --> 02:20:58.639 have been effective would be for me to leave commentary. 2841 02:20:59.239 --> 02:21:01.399 The other part of the and I'll be honest about it, is, 2842 02:21:02.840 --> 02:21:05.280 you know, doing commentary while. 2843 02:21:07.079 --> 02:21:08.440 Yeah, was tough. 2844 02:21:08.719 --> 02:21:10.959 Yeah, there was a lot of other things going on 2845 02:21:11.079 --> 02:21:11.959 that needed my attention. 2846 02:21:12.159 --> 02:21:12.600 So it was. 2847 02:21:14.319 --> 02:21:16.680 It was kind of a necessary move in some respect. 2848 02:21:17.719 --> 02:21:17.920 Yeah. 2849 02:21:17.959 --> 02:21:19.879 So he also kind of says that he was getting 2850 02:21:19.959 --> 02:21:23.319 tired of, you know, announcing on Nitro while backstage a 2851 02:21:23.360 --> 02:21:25.399 million things are happening that kind of require his sign 2852 02:21:25.920 --> 02:21:27.600 which I can see is it got live and more 2853 02:21:27.639 --> 02:21:30.639 dynamic and live every week, and all the things that 2854 02:21:30.639 --> 02:21:32.879 happened with Nitro is they did all kinds of experimental 2855 02:21:32.920 --> 02:21:34.959 stuff and risky stuff. One thing that doesn't get talked 2856 02:21:34.959 --> 02:21:37.920 about a lot in this context at this time period 2857 02:21:38.040 --> 02:21:41.760 is that Gene Okerland's WCW contract had come due. He 2858 02:21:41.840 --> 02:21:45.600 had made his last appearance in I think November of 2859 02:21:45.680 --> 02:21:49.079 ninety six. Obviously he's on this pay per view, but 2860 02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:51.200 that was kind of like a return. He had been 2861 02:21:52.399 --> 02:21:54.239 kind of in contractual limbo for a little while in 2862 02:21:54.360 --> 02:21:55.879 late ninety six. It wasn't clear if he was going 2863 02:21:55.920 --> 02:21:59.680 to resign with WCW. So my kind of theory is 2864 02:21:59.719 --> 02:22:01.600 that what happened is they're all sitting around trying to 2865 02:22:01.600 --> 02:22:04.639 figure out what they could do if Gene Okerland leaves WCW, 2866 02:22:05.399 --> 02:22:08.079 and they start talking about, well, maybe Bischoff could be 2867 02:22:08.120 --> 02:22:10.879 the stick man, be the Oakreland. Not for the nWo, 2868 02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:13.719 but just you know, he'd have to be the Oakreland 2869 02:22:13.760 --> 02:22:16.280 of WCW because Oakland was going to be gone, right, 2870 02:22:16.520 --> 02:22:18.319 So it wasn't just a question and he'd done that job, 2871 02:22:18.399 --> 02:22:20.559 you know, he had done the Genie Oakerland backstage interviewer 2872 02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:24.760 job before at WCW. And then I bet what happens 2873 02:22:24.879 --> 02:22:27.639 is not I bet, but I can imagine what happens 2874 02:22:27.760 --> 02:22:30.319 is as time goes and it becomes clear that Jean's 2875 02:22:30.639 --> 02:22:33.079 sticking around, someone says, what about if you were the 2876 02:22:33.159 --> 02:22:36.399 nwo's guy that did this, and it goes from there, 2877 02:22:36.719 --> 02:22:38.600 but no one seems to mention that, you know, gene 2878 02:22:38.639 --> 02:22:41.040 Oakerland When Eric Bischoff says he was going to be 2879 02:22:41.040 --> 02:22:43.360 the NWOS Gen Oakland, that at the time they would 2880 02:22:43.360 --> 02:22:46.799 have been discussing this, Gene Oakland would have his status 2881 02:22:46.799 --> 02:22:48.959 would have been up in the air anyway. Yeah, so 2882 02:22:49.079 --> 02:22:51.239 that's going to be part of it. And another part 2883 02:22:51.280 --> 02:22:53.159 of dealing with the heal, Eric Bischoff, is that it 2884 02:22:53.239 --> 02:22:55.840 kind of makes the WCW higher brass. I'm talking about 2885 02:22:55.840 --> 02:23:00.440 the Turner executives looked like morons because if yeah, right, 2886 02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:02.520 if like you just said, the guy who runs ww 2887 02:23:02.639 --> 02:23:04.600 turns on the group, shouldn't you fire him immediately? 2888 02:23:05.559 --> 02:23:05.719 Yes? 2889 02:23:05.760 --> 02:23:08.760 Why would he be allowed to continue as WCW president 2890 02:23:08.799 --> 02:23:11.280 if he did this? It kind of boxes in a 2891 02:23:11.319 --> 02:23:14.760 Harvey Schiller in his Whole Division here, Beschoff talks a 2892 02:23:14.760 --> 02:23:15.840 little bit about that dynamic. 2893 02:23:17.559 --> 02:23:18.840 It did create some. 2894 02:23:21.680 --> 02:23:23.520 I don't want to say chaos, but there were different 2895 02:23:23.600 --> 02:23:26.879 opinions of it. You know, I think there were Internally 2896 02:23:27.040 --> 02:23:29.479 it was like, Eric, are you going a little too 2897 02:23:29.559 --> 02:23:30.000 far with this? 2898 02:23:30.719 --> 02:23:30.760 No? 2899 02:23:31.000 --> 02:23:33.040 I mean, really, you are the president of the company. 2900 02:23:33.120 --> 02:23:35.280 Do you think it makes sense for you to take 2901 02:23:35.360 --> 02:23:38.920 on this particular role? Might be a little too much. 2902 02:23:39.440 --> 02:23:40.920 There was a lot of that. Harvey Shuler was a 2903 02:23:40.920 --> 02:23:44.920 little concerned about that because I was literally the guy, 2904 02:23:45.079 --> 02:23:48.159 you know, when we weren't doing nitro, right, we weren't 2905 02:23:48.200 --> 02:23:48.879 at a pay per view. 2906 02:23:49.000 --> 02:23:49.200 I was. 2907 02:23:49.520 --> 02:23:52.479 I was the guy out an airplane meeting with advertising executives, 2908 02:23:52.600 --> 02:23:55.879 or a meeting with potential sponsors, meeting with the head 2909 02:23:55.920 --> 02:23:59.000 of EA Sports, for example, and walked away with a 2910 02:23:59.040 --> 02:24:03.120 ten million dollars check hand when I did. But it's 2911 02:24:03.159 --> 02:24:06.200 a little challenging to play a character like I was 2912 02:24:06.319 --> 02:24:09.559 playing and then put on a different hat and go 2913 02:24:09.680 --> 02:24:13.280 out and conduct business in the real world without creating 2914 02:24:13.319 --> 02:24:16.719 a little bit of confusion. So there was some concern, 2915 02:24:16.959 --> 02:24:19.959 but it was worth the risk to me. Really didn't 2916 02:24:20.040 --> 02:24:22.040 understand wrestling. You've got to remember that there were a 2917 02:24:22.079 --> 02:24:24.079 lot of people, including you talk about people in a 2918 02:24:24.120 --> 02:24:25.879 North Tower that were concerned. 2919 02:24:26.319 --> 02:24:26.440 You know. 2920 02:24:26.520 --> 02:24:28.879 I would go back to the scene where I fired 2921 02:24:28.959 --> 02:24:31.840 Randy Anderson in front of his wife and kids, and 2922 02:24:31.920 --> 02:24:33.760 I looked down at his kids and tell your daddy, 2923 02:24:33.760 --> 02:24:37.079 he still fired. You know, I actually got a phone 2924 02:24:37.120 --> 02:24:40.440 call from Harvey, who was concerned because he thought, or 2925 02:24:40.479 --> 02:24:43.319 people in a North Tower thought that I actually really 2926 02:24:43.440 --> 02:24:47.440 did fire Randy Anderson on national television. I thought it 2927 02:24:47.520 --> 02:24:51.520 was going to be a pr human resource nightmare because 2928 02:24:51.639 --> 02:24:55.920 even people within Turner became confused as to whether or 2929 02:24:55.959 --> 02:24:59.159 not I was really the president of the company acting 2930 02:24:59.239 --> 02:25:01.120 in such a way, or if I was the president 2931 02:25:01.159 --> 02:25:04.079 of the company playing a character. So you can I 2932 02:25:04.319 --> 02:25:06.920 have to assume that if people with in Turner Broadcasting 2933 02:25:07.000 --> 02:25:11.159 were confused, people probably outside of the company might be too. 2934 02:25:11.760 --> 02:25:14.600 And that was Harvey's concern. But again, Harvey was a 2935 02:25:14.639 --> 02:25:17.399 great dude man. He was a good leader. He expressed 2936 02:25:17.399 --> 02:25:19.319 his concern. He wanted to make sure that I knew 2937 02:25:19.319 --> 02:25:21.680 what I was doing and that I was prepared for 2938 02:25:21.799 --> 02:25:25.479 the fallout if there was any. He laid out his concerns, 2939 02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:29.319 I laid out my position, and I carried on Harvin's 2940 02:25:30.680 --> 02:25:32.399 That's right. I mean, let's be clear about that. 2941 02:25:32.760 --> 02:25:33.079 Harvin. 2942 02:25:33.799 --> 02:25:36.239 Remember Harvey Schiller, he would actually kind of do what 2943 02:25:36.319 --> 02:25:38.680 we were just suggesting and come on television. First, they 2944 02:25:38.719 --> 02:25:41.399 did JJ Dillon. He was like the commissioner who'd come 2945 02:25:41.440 --> 02:25:44.239 out as the guy above Eric's head and funck with 2946 02:25:44.319 --> 02:25:49.479 him but not fire him, kind of like resolved to 2947 02:25:49.520 --> 02:25:51.760 torture him instead of fire him, and they had Schiller 2948 02:25:51.879 --> 02:25:54.319 himself come out. He was later replaced by Brad Siegel, 2949 02:25:54.360 --> 02:25:56.120 of course, and that's when a lot of things change 2950 02:25:56.120 --> 02:25:58.920 to WCW and kind of tongue lash Eric Bischoff as 2951 02:25:58.959 --> 02:26:01.000 well as for Tony Shavanni. 2952 02:26:01.079 --> 02:26:04.200 He loved this angle. Do you know why what I'm on? Nitro? 2953 02:26:05.520 --> 02:26:05.639 Oh? 2954 02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:06.479 Right about that? 2955 02:26:06.639 --> 02:26:09.840 Right now Eric is no longer in the announced position, 2956 02:26:10.319 --> 02:26:12.159 and we go on to think if Tony Shavanni as 2957 02:26:12.200 --> 02:26:14.479 the indelible voice of Nitro, And that wasn't the case 2958 02:26:14.520 --> 02:26:16.799 for the first year of the program. He was just 2959 02:26:17.520 --> 02:26:20.000 the second hour announcer, and now the whole show is his, 2960 02:26:20.159 --> 02:26:23.079 even when it expands to three hours. So that was 2961 02:26:23.399 --> 02:26:25.000 that was a plus for him, as he's talked about 2962 02:26:25.120 --> 02:26:29.000 on his podcast, and he thinks eventually, actually a bit 2963 02:26:29.040 --> 02:26:31.159 of overexposure hurt him too much, because it hurt him 2964 02:26:31.159 --> 02:26:34.000 a bit because he was doing too much. But yeah, 2965 02:26:35.360 --> 02:26:38.200 that's that's that's a Shavanni's perspective on it. Let's also 2966 02:26:38.280 --> 02:26:41.559 remember well, I should also note I should say that 2967 02:26:41.639 --> 02:26:44.840 Bischoff said on a podcast with Conrad that this was 2968 02:26:45.079 --> 02:26:48.239 this heel turn was planned two months out. So yeah, 2969 02:26:48.440 --> 02:26:51.479 that puts me pretty much right where they were worried 2970 02:26:51.479 --> 02:26:54.760 about Gene Okerland in his status and whether he wou returned. 2971 02:26:55.319 --> 02:26:57.239 So he's out there doing interviews now. And not only 2972 02:26:57.319 --> 02:26:59.000 is Hulk Hogan out there trying to figure out how 2973 02:26:59.040 --> 02:27:02.879 to navigate the public as a heel, Bischoff's got to 2974 02:27:02.920 --> 02:27:05.280 worry about that too. And here's an article that I'd 2975 02:27:05.360 --> 02:27:07.399 like you to share with the Solar System Boss where 2976 02:27:07.520 --> 02:27:09.920 Eric Bischoff kind of tries to wear a new skin 2977 02:27:10.000 --> 02:27:12.360 in doing a media interview. This is from the posting courier, 2978 02:27:12.440 --> 02:27:15.360 Oh Boy, Mike mooneyham over in Charleston, South Carolina. 2979 02:27:15.440 --> 02:27:18.360 This is from November twenty fourth, nineteen ninety six. So 2980 02:27:18.520 --> 02:27:22.239 I believe World War three day. Indeed, here he is 2981 02:27:22.520 --> 02:27:26.840 as a heel doing a press interview. WCW Executive vice 2982 02:27:26.879 --> 02:27:30.079 president Eric Bischoff took the NW angle one step further 2983 02:27:30.280 --> 02:27:34.200 Monday night in Florence. Bischoff's done the Monday nitro audience 2984 02:27:34.239 --> 02:27:36.120 by joining forces with the Hulk Hogan in the New 2985 02:27:36.159 --> 02:27:39.840 World Order. The move sets up the nwo's upcoming quote 2986 02:27:40.000 --> 02:27:43.319 takeover unquote of Nitro's First Hour, which will feature Bischoff 2987 02:27:43.399 --> 02:27:49.000 and Teddy Biassi in the heel announcing roles. Ww's philosophy 2988 02:27:49.079 --> 02:27:52.239 of rapid fire hotshot angles, however, has produced a dilemma 2989 02:27:52.760 --> 02:27:56.280 with his latest development. How will Bischoff, long acknowledged on 2990 02:27:56.440 --> 02:28:00.959 areas WW Boss, ever regain his credibility as a legitimate executive. 2991 02:28:01.479 --> 02:28:05.479 Why isn't he fired by WCW owner Ted Turner. Those 2992 02:28:05.799 --> 02:28:08.559 these and other important questions may never be answered as 2993 02:28:08.719 --> 02:28:12.319 WCW continues to look for short term ratings victories over 2994 02:28:12.360 --> 02:28:16.159 the World Wrestling Entertainment. But make no mistake about it, 2995 02:28:16.280 --> 02:28:20.200 Bischof's main real life rival is WW owner Vince McMahon. 2996 02:28:20.840 --> 02:28:23.399 W CW, behind the expanded two hour Nitro show in 2997 02:28:23.440 --> 02:28:27.440 the successful NW angle has thumped the WWE twenty three 2998 02:28:27.479 --> 02:28:30.600 straight weeks in the Monday Night ratings war. The credit, 2999 02:28:30.680 --> 02:28:33.559 in large part goes to Bischoff for his aggressive style 3000 02:28:33.639 --> 02:28:36.840 and risky but successful initiative to go head to head 3001 02:28:36.879 --> 02:28:41.319 with the once dominant WWE. Ironically, Bischoff once interviewed for 3002 02:28:41.399 --> 02:28:44.200 a job with the WWE, but McMahon maintains that he 3003 02:28:44.319 --> 02:28:48.920 never even remembers Bischoff. I really don't know him, McMahon said. 3004 02:28:49.440 --> 02:28:51.520 I'm told I met him when he came up here 3005 02:28:51.639 --> 02:28:54.559 for an audition as an announcer. I don't even remember 3006 02:28:54.639 --> 02:28:59.280 that Bischoff. However, an interview earlier this year often offered 3007 02:28:59.319 --> 02:29:04.840 a different account of that meeting in June of nineteen ninety. 3008 02:29:04.879 --> 02:29:07.239 I was down there for an interview and audition and 3009 02:29:07.479 --> 02:29:10.680 talked to Vince for probably half an hour. If he 3010 02:29:10.719 --> 02:29:12.840 doesn't remember it, perhaps he was engaged in some of 3011 02:29:13.079 --> 02:29:16.399 his admitted chemical activity during that time. 3012 02:29:17.719 --> 02:29:18.479 But I was there. 3013 02:29:18.719 --> 02:29:21.959 He was there. What is clear is that McMahon didn't 3014 02:29:22.040 --> 02:29:26.159 know Bischoff, then he certainly does now. Bischoff, key behind 3015 02:29:26.280 --> 02:29:29.520 key talent hirings and innovative measures, has been the driving 3016 02:29:29.680 --> 02:29:34.079 force behind ww's phenomenal success during the past year. The 3017 02:29:34.280 --> 02:29:37.280 forty one year old Eric Bischoff is candid to the 3018 02:29:37.319 --> 02:29:41.879 point of being brutally frank when discussing the opposition the 3019 02:29:42.079 --> 02:29:44.959 nonsense of perception of reality that Vince mcman, a guy 3020 02:29:45.319 --> 02:29:47.840 who has admitted using steroids to try to beef up 3021 02:29:48.159 --> 02:29:51.600 what was otherwise a scrawny, frail little individual. I think 3022 02:29:51.680 --> 02:29:53.200 when he wakes up in the morning, he looks in 3023 02:29:53.280 --> 02:29:56.719 the mirror and sees that eighty pound bird face punk 3024 02:29:57.079 --> 02:29:59.479 that nobody wanted to play with, and he has to 3025 02:29:59.520 --> 02:30:02.159 deal with that every day. And the way he's trying 3026 02:30:02.159 --> 02:30:06.879 to deal with it with is trying to create this perception. 3027 02:30:07.159 --> 02:30:09.120 And I just hope people are smart enough to see 3028 02:30:09.159 --> 02:30:13.440 through this nonsense and deal with Rich War. This was 3029 02:30:13.520 --> 02:30:17.319 war Bischoff's views on the other assorted issues and personalities. 3030 02:30:17.639 --> 02:30:20.360 Bischof's future in the business. I'm pretty happy where I am. 3031 02:30:21.040 --> 02:30:22.920 One of the neat things about w W is that 3032 02:30:23.040 --> 02:30:25.360 I can stay here and grow this business in ways 3033 02:30:25.399 --> 02:30:28.399 that no one is even thinking about. I've gotten offers 3034 02:30:28.479 --> 02:30:30.959 to do other things for more money, but it's not 3035 02:30:31.200 --> 02:30:33.399 the money they keep that's keeping me here. It's a 3036 02:30:33.479 --> 02:30:36.159 love for what I do, and also the people I 3037 02:30:36.280 --> 02:30:40.479 work with. Paul Orendorf, Kevin Sullivan, Jimmy Hart, and Arn 3038 02:30:40.479 --> 02:30:42.920 Anderson stand out in my mind a lot. The booking 3039 02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:44.879 is one thing, but the thing that I've grown so 3040 02:30:45.000 --> 02:30:48.559 attached to is the people in the office. Craig Leathers 3041 02:30:48.799 --> 02:30:53.520 David Crockett, Tony Shavani. There are people there there who 3042 02:30:53.600 --> 02:30:56.079 have been there since nineteen eighty nine, have suffered through 3043 02:30:56.079 --> 02:30:58.399 the reigns of Bill Wats, Jim Hurd, keep Fry, and 3044 02:30:58.479 --> 02:31:04.799 Dusty Rhodes and others. Bishop's vision for the future. I 3045 02:31:04.840 --> 02:31:07.719 don't have a wrestling background. I understand wrestling. It's not 3046 02:31:07.879 --> 02:31:10.840 rocket science, despite what people think. But I've always looked 3047 02:31:10.840 --> 02:31:13.479 at wrestling as one of the purest forms of entertainment 3048 02:31:13.520 --> 02:31:16.120 on the planet. I've always looked at wrestling as just 3049 02:31:16.239 --> 02:31:19.799 the tip of the iceberg. WCW is not a wrestling company, 3050 02:31:20.200 --> 02:31:28.319 Oh god, Oh my god. Our mission statement says that 3051 02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:38.360 we aren't action based, oh character driven entertainment company. Fucking hell, 3052 02:31:39.399 --> 02:31:41.319 and that means a whole lot more than a whole 3053 02:31:41.319 --> 02:31:44.399 lot less than wrestling. Yeah right, I know Vin snick 3054 02:31:44.440 --> 02:31:46.879 Mahn talks about them being an entertainment company, but we're 3055 02:31:46.920 --> 02:31:51.920 actually executing my vision. Bishop's response to critics who claims 3056 02:31:51.920 --> 02:31:55.360 he's using ww as a springboard for more lucrat positions. 3057 02:31:55.840 --> 02:31:59.079 When people say I'm just using wrestling to get somewhere 3058 02:31:59.120 --> 02:32:03.280 else in turner, that's bullshit. There's nothing else I'd rather 3059 02:32:03.399 --> 02:32:06.120 there's nowhere else I'd rather be. I have more freedom 3060 02:32:06.120 --> 02:32:08.399 of WW than probably one percent of the people at 3061 02:32:08.440 --> 02:32:10.879 my level of turn want to work somewhere else in Turner, 3062 02:32:12.440 --> 02:32:14.399 I'm not working somewhere else than Turner, and I wouldn't 3063 02:32:14.440 --> 02:32:17.719 want to work somewhere else other than the Turner. The 3064 02:32:17.799 --> 02:32:22.000 competition between WW and WWE. I love competition. I like 3065 02:32:22.159 --> 02:32:24.520 having someone to fight with. This would be a really 3066 02:32:24.600 --> 02:32:26.920 boring situation if it were not for the opportunity to 3067 02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:29.600 beat the incumbent, to prove to the world that this 3068 02:32:29.799 --> 02:32:32.520 guy everybody thinks is a genius is basically an insecure 3069 02:32:32.559 --> 02:32:34.440 person who was in the right place at the right 3070 02:32:34.520 --> 02:32:37.000 time and quite frankly, took some very big risks and 3071 02:32:37.040 --> 02:32:42.079 were good risks. But he's not the genius people think 3072 02:32:42.159 --> 02:32:43.520 he is. I love it. 3073 02:32:43.680 --> 02:32:47.040 I love it so much. I mean gloves off, and 3074 02:32:47.120 --> 02:32:49.600 Vince was not ready for that. Vince was not accustomed 3075 02:32:50.079 --> 02:32:52.639 to being called out as the owner like that. I mean, 3076 02:32:52.719 --> 02:32:53.799 not newspapers. 3077 02:32:54.200 --> 02:32:56.399 You know, I believe that, you know, we as a 3078 02:32:56.719 --> 02:33:01.079 as a as an entertainment organization, have the obligation to 3079 02:33:01.399 --> 02:33:05.239 do just that. Entertainment and the personal attacks of one 3080 02:33:05.399 --> 02:33:09.079 Eric Bischoff I don't know what his beef is, but 3081 02:33:09.399 --> 02:33:11.319 I can tell you right now that as an individual 3082 02:33:11.360 --> 02:33:14.680 who has prospered in the field of entertainment and on 3083 02:33:14.799 --> 02:33:18.920 a global level with global ramifications, that I do believe 3084 02:33:19.040 --> 02:33:25.639 that with global ramifications, that we will continue to strive 3085 02:33:25.799 --> 02:33:28.920 to do exactly what we do best, which has put 3086 02:33:29.000 --> 02:33:36.719 smiles on faces in and around the world great response. 3087 02:33:36.840 --> 02:33:40.000 Talk about a clap back, I mean, that's basically like 3088 02:33:40.120 --> 02:33:42.920 Eminem's closing wrap in eight mile. That's how much of 3089 02:33:42.959 --> 02:33:47.399 a a mic drop that was global impact wherever you 3090 02:33:47.479 --> 02:33:51.719 said global consequence. But at the end of the day, 3091 02:33:52.239 --> 02:33:55.719 we can thank Bischoff for forcing WW to change and 3092 02:33:55.879 --> 02:33:58.920 you know, laying that groundwork for the heel Vince. 3093 02:34:00.120 --> 02:34:03.520 Again, we didn't know, None of us knew that the 3094 02:34:03.639 --> 02:34:06.399 end of you Want a storyline was going to become. 3095 02:34:06.479 --> 02:34:09.040 When it became, we thought it was a pretty cool idea. 3096 02:34:09.120 --> 02:34:11.440 We thought it would last six months or so, three four, five, 3097 02:34:11.520 --> 02:34:14.000 six months. We thought it was a hot angle. Obviously, 3098 02:34:14.120 --> 02:34:17.479 Hogan turning was a big deal, but none of us 3099 02:34:17.520 --> 02:34:20.079 saw it coming. And then as it got bigger and 3100 02:34:20.159 --> 02:34:23.280 bigger and bigger and more and more powerful, more successful 3101 02:34:23.479 --> 02:34:26.399 crowds were going up. Television ratings were going up, pay 3102 02:34:26.399 --> 02:34:28.479 per view by rates were going up, merchandise was flying 3103 02:34:28.520 --> 02:34:29.120 off the shelves. 3104 02:34:29.440 --> 02:34:31.159 It was like, whoa wait a minute. We didn't see 3105 02:34:31.159 --> 02:34:32.440 this coming. How do we keep it going? 3106 02:34:32.600 --> 02:34:35.680 How do we continue to build this? So I would 3107 02:34:35.719 --> 02:34:38.319 say to answer your questions succinctly as I can, probably 3108 02:34:38.600 --> 02:34:41.360 about two months it would be my guests, because we 3109 02:34:41.440 --> 02:34:43.559 did have to plan. We did have to think about, Okay, 3110 02:34:43.600 --> 02:34:45.680 if I do this, what happens next? How do we 3111 02:34:45.760 --> 02:34:48.959 handle broadcast? How do we handle certain things? What's the 3112 02:34:49.040 --> 02:34:52.360 role really going to be? David McClay says, why is 3113 02:34:52.399 --> 02:34:54.520 it that nobody really talks about how you came up 3114 02:34:54.639 --> 02:34:58.319 with the heel real life boss persona a year before 3115 02:34:58.399 --> 02:34:59.000 Vincement ran? 3116 02:35:01.200 --> 02:35:01.879 Oh, I don't know. 3117 02:35:02.120 --> 02:35:06.799 You know, revisionist history, you know, bullshit, dirt sheet, narrative, 3118 02:35:07.879 --> 02:35:10.520 biased coverage, all kinds of reasons. 3119 02:35:10.600 --> 02:35:11.680 But it really doesn't matter. 3120 02:35:12.079 --> 02:35:12.200 You know. 3121 02:35:12.840 --> 02:35:15.920 It used to bug me a little bit, but I'm 3122 02:35:15.959 --> 02:35:16.280 over it. 3123 02:35:17.520 --> 02:35:21.079 It's just another example of the things that WCW did 3124 02:35:21.200 --> 02:35:24.719 first and did better. Then eventually the wwe had to 3125 02:35:25.360 --> 02:35:26.399 follow our pattern. 3126 02:35:26.399 --> 02:35:26.559 You know. 3127 02:35:26.600 --> 02:35:30.760 Somebody asked me recently, very recently, what am I most 3128 02:35:30.879 --> 02:35:34.200 proud of. And that's a hard question with regard to 3129 02:35:34.319 --> 02:35:37.680 my career in wrestling, and particularly during the Monday night work. 3130 02:35:38.040 --> 02:35:40.200 And there's a lot of things, some of them really little, 3131 02:35:40.479 --> 02:35:42.719 some of them probably don't mean anything to anybody but me, 3132 02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:45.600 and some of them very big. But at the core 3133 02:35:45.680 --> 02:35:52.319 of it, I would say it's because I forced WWE 3134 02:35:52.440 --> 02:35:55.920 and Vince McMahon to change the way they did business. 3135 02:35:56.559 --> 02:35:59.239 And anybody that knows Vince McMahon or worked for Vince 3136 02:35:59.319 --> 02:36:02.920 McMahon knows that that's not an easy thing to accomplish. 3137 02:36:04.079 --> 02:36:08.280 And not only did I get vincemicmahon to sell and 3138 02:36:08.399 --> 02:36:13.000 to react when everybody told me for so long, you know, 3139 02:36:13.120 --> 02:36:16.120 Vinch will never sell anything. He'll never acknowledge the competition. 3140 02:36:16.479 --> 02:36:20.000 It's not the way Vince McMahon does business. Well, it 3141 02:36:20.159 --> 02:36:22.799 wasn't the way Vince McMahon did business until I forced 3142 02:36:22.879 --> 02:36:25.799 him to change. And I'm proud of that because it 3143 02:36:26.120 --> 02:36:29.799 made WWE a better place, a stronger company, a more 3144 02:36:29.879 --> 02:36:33.559 successful product in the audience benefit as a result. That's 3145 02:36:33.600 --> 02:36:37.399 why you saw vincmacman become the evil boss that I 3146 02:36:37.479 --> 02:36:40.159 had done a year sooner. That's why you saw the 3147 02:36:40.799 --> 02:36:44.639 DX in the Attitude era, which was nothing more than 3148 02:36:44.719 --> 02:36:48.239 a derivative, and I'm being behind of the nWo and 3149 02:36:48.319 --> 02:36:48.920 it was nothing. 3150 02:36:49.040 --> 02:36:52.639 I mean, look at he forced him to go live 3151 02:36:52.719 --> 02:36:53.520 each and every week. 3152 02:36:54.319 --> 02:36:58.799 All of those things were things that I did and 3153 02:36:59.239 --> 02:37:03.760 I was solely, in many respects responsible for. And it's 3154 02:37:03.879 --> 02:37:06.920 not because on a personal level, I was proud that 3155 02:37:07.040 --> 02:37:10.719 I've forced Vincent Man to react to me. I'm proud 3156 02:37:10.799 --> 02:37:13.079 because I forced them to react to me, and it 3157 02:37:13.280 --> 02:37:17.360 improved the industry. That's what I'm proud of. It made 3158 02:37:17.360 --> 02:37:20.559 it a better product. It made wrestling during the Monday 3159 02:37:20.639 --> 02:37:24.520 Night War era probably still today the most talked about 3160 02:37:24.600 --> 02:37:28.120 thing in the wrestling industry on an ongoing basis. It's 3161 02:37:28.200 --> 02:37:31.399 the reason why there are there's an nWo merchandise out 3162 02:37:31.440 --> 02:37:33.920 there that is some of the top selling merchandise in 3163 02:37:34.040 --> 02:37:37.399 the wrestling industry today twenty five years after the fact. 3164 02:37:38.559 --> 02:37:41.159 All of that was because. 3165 02:37:41.959 --> 02:37:46.440 Nitro changed the industry and forced the WWE to change 3166 02:37:46.520 --> 02:37:51.559 their approach, and I think everybody benefited benefited from It's 3167 02:37:51.600 --> 02:37:54.280 not an ego thing. The industry is a better place 3168 02:37:54.360 --> 02:37:56.559 as a result of it, and I'm very proud of that. 3169 02:37:58.680 --> 02:38:03.760 Certainly, the hell off was some of the groundwork for Vince. 3170 02:38:04.399 --> 02:38:07.840 The Vince thing is weird because he was the He 3171 02:38:08.000 --> 02:38:10.399 was the actual final boss, you know what I mean, 3172 02:38:11.040 --> 02:38:12.280 you didn't have anybody above him. 3173 02:38:13.120 --> 02:38:14.920 Who wha whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. 3174 02:38:15.319 --> 02:38:17.920 You can create this kind of you can believe more 3175 02:38:17.959 --> 02:38:20.600 when Vince went nuts trying to stop Steve Austin, but 3176 02:38:20.639 --> 02:38:23.399 he didn't. It's not like one night Vince like kicked 3177 02:38:23.440 --> 02:38:25.479 the top, baby face and the balls and joined a 3178 02:38:25.559 --> 02:38:26.239 heal stable. 3179 02:38:28.120 --> 02:38:28.280 Well. 3180 02:38:28.319 --> 02:38:32.760 Also, I mean there is a difference, Like I think 3181 02:38:32.840 --> 02:38:35.719 people people have always wanted to hate Vince nick Mann, 3182 02:38:37.079 --> 02:38:39.479 you know, I think that's especially in the in the 3183 02:38:39.559 --> 02:38:42.760 in the in the nineties. Throughout the nineties, people really 3184 02:38:42.840 --> 02:38:45.360 really wanted to hate Vince pick Mahn. So it's a 3185 02:38:45.440 --> 02:38:47.920 little bit not sure they had hatred for Bishoff. You know, 3186 02:38:47.959 --> 02:38:49.879 he talks about the dirt sheets and stuff. Right, Well, 3187 02:38:49.920 --> 02:38:52.799 I don't think he had enough. I mean, yeah, dirt 3188 02:38:52.840 --> 02:38:55.040 sheets might have had, but but fans didn't. Fans I 3189 02:38:55.040 --> 02:38:59.280 don't think cared nearly as much anything to him. You know, 3190 02:38:59.360 --> 02:39:04.719 he was just like right right, Carnival Barker guy on Nitro, Yeah, yeah, 3191 02:39:04.879 --> 02:39:07.680 he's not like he could be annoying, but he wasn't. 3192 02:39:08.399 --> 02:39:13.600 I think people had some deep issues with Vince McMahon. Yeah, 3193 02:39:14.040 --> 02:39:21.360 that helped make that be a much bigger deal than 3194 02:39:21.600 --> 02:39:24.719 Bischoff turning joining with the NW. I do wonder two 3195 02:39:24.799 --> 02:39:27.600 because when Vince joined, when Vince turned on on Austin 3196 02:39:27.719 --> 02:39:30.159 and became a heel, they had already done, you know, 3197 02:39:30.440 --> 02:39:33.079 a year plus worth of television. That made it abundantly 3198 02:39:33.159 --> 02:39:36.760 clear to the people watching that the announcer, Vince McMahon 3199 02:39:36.840 --> 02:39:39.200 was the actual boss and owner of the company. Right. 3200 02:39:39.639 --> 02:39:41.840 I do wonder if the average WCW fan that was 3201 02:39:41.879 --> 02:39:45.399 watching that Nitro even knew that Bischoff was more than 3202 02:39:45.479 --> 02:39:48.959 just the ww announcer and that he was the owner. 3203 02:39:49.360 --> 02:39:52.920 And well I knew because his his name came up 3204 02:39:52.959 --> 02:39:56.159 with the Crows what it was. Yeah, I knew there 3205 02:39:56.239 --> 02:39:57.920 was that there was more to meets the eye with him. 3206 02:39:58.559 --> 02:40:02.559 When because I remember seeing you know, executive producer Eric 3207 02:40:02.639 --> 02:40:06.040 It's interesting, or executive vice president of whatever it was, 3208 02:40:06.079 --> 02:40:08.879 what the fright you was the executive. 3209 02:40:08.440 --> 02:40:11.120 Of That's that's that's a good point. I never thought 3210 02:40:11.120 --> 02:40:13.079 about that. I just never watched the credits back then. 3211 02:40:13.159 --> 02:40:16.040 But or paid punch attention. Well I needed to. I 3212 02:40:16.159 --> 02:40:18.239 needed to to get the whole thing on tape. 3213 02:40:18.440 --> 02:40:21.159 Oh so you're sitting there waiting to press stop. That's 3214 02:40:21.280 --> 02:40:22.479 huge too. You just time that. 3215 02:40:22.520 --> 02:40:24.600 You had to time that perfectly, Like if you got 3216 02:40:24.639 --> 02:40:26.319 a second of the next thing, it was a failure. 3217 02:40:26.760 --> 02:40:29.319 Oh, I'd be fucking miserable, Like, oh, you. 3218 02:40:29.360 --> 02:40:32.319 Wanted to start on black screen and end on black screen? Yep, 3219 02:40:32.799 --> 02:40:36.120 so that so that the next show could like just 3220 02:40:36.239 --> 02:40:38.840 pick up. And it was like, see, God, never was 3221 02:40:38.920 --> 02:40:39.280 the case. 3222 02:40:40.520 --> 02:40:40.959 Never was. 3223 02:40:41.040 --> 02:40:44.680 I never stopped trying. I tried to the day I 3224 02:40:44.799 --> 02:40:45.959 fucking stopped the truth. 3225 02:40:46.920 --> 02:40:47.040 Yea. 3226 02:40:47.159 --> 02:40:48.399 So as far as like you know, the kind of 3227 02:40:48.440 --> 02:40:50.559 business transformation is talking about it, it was a real thing, 3228 02:40:50.600 --> 02:40:53.319 of course. WW year over year stats we have here 3229 02:40:53.559 --> 02:40:55.959 when from an estimated average attendants in November of nineteen 3230 02:40:56.000 --> 02:40:58.760 ninety five of two thousand and seven fifty by November 3231 02:40:58.840 --> 02:41:01.799 ninety six, thirty six, a forty six point eight percent 3232 02:41:01.879 --> 02:41:04.719 increase year over year in their live attendance, to say 3233 02:41:04.760 --> 02:41:07.280 nothing of the gate, which was up one hundred and 3234 02:41:07.399 --> 02:41:10.319 ten percent from an average gate of twenty four thousand 3235 02:41:10.360 --> 02:41:12.680 bucks in November ninety five to fifty thousand bucks. In 3236 02:41:12.719 --> 02:41:15.639 November of ninety six, house shows sold out one from 3237 02:41:15.760 --> 02:41:19.399 zero to twenty percent, and the cable television rating bumped 3238 02:41:19.440 --> 02:41:21.120 up ten percent, not as much as you might think 3239 02:41:21.200 --> 02:41:23.520 November ninety five two point zero November ninety six two 3240 02:41:23.520 --> 02:41:27.719 point two, but still going in decidedly one direction. 3241 02:41:28.079 --> 02:41:29.399 The pay per view haul also up. 3242 02:41:29.440 --> 02:41:32.079 The nineteen ninety five World War three did a one 3243 02:41:32.120 --> 02:41:34.680 point one to one million dollars in overall revenue. The 3244 02:41:34.760 --> 02:41:36.920 nineteen ninety six World War three did one point three 3245 02:41:37.079 --> 02:41:40.159 seven million dollars in overall revenue, with a point five 3246 02:41:40.159 --> 02:41:42.239 to five by rate in ninety six compared to a 3247 02:41:42.360 --> 02:41:45.280 point four to three in nineteen ninety five, So we're 3248 02:41:45.319 --> 02:41:48.639 looking at twenty thirty percent increases year over year. Ww 3249 02:41:48.760 --> 02:41:51.239 begins to climb. WWF is also improving in ninety six. 3250 02:41:52.200 --> 02:41:54.280 Big and important to remember, of course, ninety five was 3251 02:41:54.319 --> 02:41:56.959 the absolute doldrums for them. Doesn't get much worse than 3252 02:41:57.040 --> 02:41:58.639 ninety five, so to say that numbers were up in 3253 02:41:58.719 --> 02:42:01.760 ninety six isn't saying all that much. But it's looking 3254 02:42:01.760 --> 02:42:05.079 pretty good. The TV ratings, though, we're we're kind of 3255 02:42:05.079 --> 02:42:09.040 getting hit from ninety five to ninety six, as they 3256 02:42:09.120 --> 02:42:11.879 went from an average cable rating in November of ninety 3257 02:42:11.920 --> 02:42:14.600 five of one point seven between average cable rating and 3258 02:42:14.600 --> 02:42:16.760 November tow eighty six of one point three, which is 3259 02:42:16.799 --> 02:42:19.399 Meltzer notes at a twenty three percent decrease is an 3260 02:42:19.440 --> 02:42:23.440 all time low monthly average for the promotion cable, So 3261 02:42:23.600 --> 02:42:26.680 they are definitely feeling it. It's not like both ships 3262 02:42:26.680 --> 02:42:28.799 are going up and nitros going up a little more. 3263 02:42:29.360 --> 02:42:32.479 It's that WWW's going way up in WWF's going way 3264 02:42:32.559 --> 02:42:35.680 down in rating, So there's no no games you can 3265 02:42:35.719 --> 02:42:37.440 play to try to pretend that that's not the case. 3266 02:42:38.040 --> 02:42:39.639 But some REVERER series was up for them year over 3267 02:42:39.760 --> 02:42:41.879 year as well, so bright spots. I guess on both 3268 02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:45.159 sides of the ledger. As form World War Three, it 3269 02:42:45.280 --> 02:42:48.840 goes from and its short existence, a one point one 3270 02:42:48.920 --> 02:42:51.000 one million dollar haul to a one point three million 3271 02:42:51.040 --> 02:42:53.920 dollar hall. By nineteen ninety seven it's one point eight 3272 02:42:54.040 --> 02:42:57.520 four million dollars. The wiring continues to climb and by 3273 02:42:57.639 --> 02:42:59.719 ninety eight, the final World War three, which was the 3274 02:43:00.079 --> 02:43:03.440 cold revenue year for WCW two point eight million dollars, 3275 02:43:04.399 --> 02:43:06.959 no ship making one point one million. On World War Three, 3276 02:43:07.000 --> 02:43:09.360 the first one to two point eight in just four years. 3277 02:43:09.479 --> 02:43:13.639 Well, it's it's the only one. It never went never 3278 02:43:13.680 --> 02:43:17.360 went down. That's amazing. We mentioned Sting. He was in 3279 02:43:17.440 --> 02:43:20.239 a weird place too, mentioned Gene Oakland. One of the 3280 02:43:20.280 --> 02:43:22.440 reasons the Observer reports that this whole angle with the 3281 02:43:22.479 --> 02:43:24.520 Sting is going on where he's showing up mysteriously in 3282 02:43:24.559 --> 02:43:27.479 the white paint is because apparently Sting had a specified 3283 02:43:27.639 --> 02:43:30.319 amount of dates that were max in his contract, and 3284 02:43:30.520 --> 02:43:32.399 ww ON had a few dates left and they needed 3285 02:43:32.440 --> 02:43:34.239 him for some major house shows, so they had to 3286 02:43:34.239 --> 02:43:38.440 get him off of television. So you know, necessity is 3287 02:43:38.440 --> 02:43:41.760 the mother of invention. Yeah, I don't remember who suggested it. 3288 02:43:41.920 --> 02:43:44.079 Yeah, you don't remember who suggested it, because the whole 3289 02:43:44.120 --> 02:43:47.000 reason you did it was because you fucking maxed out 3290 02:43:47.040 --> 02:43:47.600 his contract. 3291 02:43:48.520 --> 02:43:51.600 I don't remember who. Who's the disident, Yeah, just like. 3292 02:43:51.639 --> 02:43:55.200 He can't remember why they took the TNA title off 3293 02:43:55.280 --> 02:43:58.319 Van Damn so quickly when he's because this contract had 3294 02:43:58.360 --> 02:44:00.520 reached the maximum dates and people weren't paying enough attention. 3295 02:44:00.959 --> 02:44:02.200 Now that that's too much for me. 3296 02:44:02.239 --> 02:44:04.120 That one of the great, one of the great gimmicks 3297 02:44:04.159 --> 02:44:06.520 everyone wrestling, and particularly the Mondy A War's era, Sting 3298 02:44:07.520 --> 02:44:10.159 happened because they didn't have dates on him anymore, so 3299 02:44:10.239 --> 02:44:12.440 they needed a storyline reason that he would not be 3300 02:44:12.479 --> 02:44:16.399 at Nitro every week full of stuff. But yeah, the 3301 02:44:16.479 --> 02:44:20.159 history of WWWW website and the ww section does have 3302 02:44:20.360 --> 02:44:24.920 Sting working a television taping. They went to Disney MGM 3303 02:44:24.920 --> 02:44:26.600 as they used to do for you know, three four 3304 02:44:26.719 --> 02:44:28.920 nights of taping and they would tape syndication for like 3305 02:44:28.959 --> 02:44:32.799 two months in just those days. So November seventh, eighth, ninth, 3306 02:44:32.840 --> 02:44:34.680 and tenth of ninety six there they were in on 3307 02:44:34.760 --> 02:44:37.280 the tenth and I think other nights as well. The 3308 02:44:37.600 --> 02:44:39.879 results aren't really in for those tapings. These were the 3309 02:44:39.959 --> 02:44:43.040 free tapings opened to park goers. It wasn't like people 3310 02:44:43.079 --> 02:44:45.159 were taking very close notes on winners and losers. They 3311 02:44:45.200 --> 02:44:48.280 were just randoms walking into the park. Occasionally though, someone 3312 02:44:48.399 --> 02:44:49.879 would you know, go in who was a fan and 3313 02:44:50.000 --> 02:44:51.280 send results to the newsletters. 3314 02:44:51.760 --> 02:44:55.079 And we do have that. On November tenth, nineteen ninety six, okay, 3315 02:44:55.280 --> 02:44:59.280 at the Disney MGM studios, Sting wrestles and beats Hu 3316 02:44:59.360 --> 02:45:02.760 Morris on these tapings. Watch exists on tape find it 3317 02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:07.879 vault now now is it that number? Tenth ninety six 3318 02:45:07.959 --> 02:45:12.879 Sting is Wrestling Boss three months almost three months after fall, bro, 3319 02:45:14.000 --> 02:45:17.040 I need to see it. What's he wearing, what's he doing? Yeah, 3320 02:45:17.040 --> 02:45:23.799 it's his mannerisms. What's his finish? What's his music? That's 3321 02:45:23.840 --> 02:45:27.280 a question. What still a man called Sting? Well, let's 3322 02:45:27.319 --> 02:45:29.079 talk about it. What's what should see his music be? 3323 02:45:29.239 --> 02:45:32.840 That's one piece we didn't touch. I've seen his music 3324 02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:37.079 should be. Oh shit, did you have like a slow 3325 02:45:37.479 --> 02:45:38.920 violin idea or something? 3326 02:45:39.479 --> 02:45:39.680 Yeah? 3327 02:45:39.840 --> 02:45:41.879 Well, oh yeah, I did have kind of like a 3328 02:45:43.000 --> 02:45:52.760 classical music type thing, something very very different. Or I 3329 02:45:52.959 --> 02:45:54.760 was thinking that it could be like, yeah, like a 3330 02:45:54.879 --> 02:45:59.639 violent version of his theme. You know, that could be 3331 02:45:59.719 --> 02:46:01.399 kind of a question, you know. 3332 02:46:01.440 --> 02:46:03.440 Of course, he had this heel track that he had 3333 02:46:04.000 --> 02:46:05.879 created in case he went heel against the Rock and 3334 02:46:05.920 --> 02:46:07.959 that back to back Wrestling Ania series they did, which 3335 02:46:08.040 --> 02:46:10.000 was an idea that was being considered, and I guess 3336 02:46:10.000 --> 02:46:12.760 it got leaked this and I don't know, I listened 3337 02:46:12.760 --> 02:46:14.440 to it. I guess it sounds like it's just like 3338 02:46:14.520 --> 02:46:17.120 a more aggressive rap. It's not like a departure from 3339 02:46:17.159 --> 02:46:19.360 the rap theme, which I'm not saying it has to be, 3340 02:46:19.520 --> 02:46:21.200 but I do. 3341 02:46:21.319 --> 02:46:24.000 Feel like the rap. I feel like the rap is 3342 02:46:24.040 --> 02:46:26.920 going to be too close familiar. 3343 02:46:27.239 --> 02:46:30.520 Yeah, okay, all right, that's established something else that's going 3344 02:46:30.600 --> 02:46:32.760 on in this whole vein of like you know, Hogan 3345 02:46:32.799 --> 02:46:35.200 turns heel and has to still do media bishof turns 3346 02:46:35.239 --> 02:46:37.639 heel and still has to do business deals. Sting has 3347 02:46:37.680 --> 02:46:39.639 to pretend to be a fucking recluse and he still 3348 02:46:39.719 --> 02:46:42.959 got obligations based on when he wasn't a recluse, including 3349 02:46:43.040 --> 02:46:45.319 this appearance here. This is from October second of nineteen 3350 02:46:45.399 --> 02:46:48.559 ninety six. Sting races the nWo Threat at the All 3351 02:46:48.680 --> 02:46:52.559 Pro Bumper to Bumper three hundred. Okay, this is what 3352 02:46:52.639 --> 02:46:54.760 Stings up to. Wrestling Action hits top speeds at the 3353 02:46:54.840 --> 02:46:58.639 racetrack on Saturday, October fifth, as former World Championship Wrestling 3354 02:46:59.319 --> 02:47:02.159 w W number twenty nine car driven by Elliott Sadler 3355 02:47:02.399 --> 02:47:05.559 becomes a new Sting car with a signature face paint 3356 02:47:05.639 --> 02:47:08.120 design at the Busch Series All Pro bumpered of Mumper 3357 02:47:08.120 --> 02:47:10.760 three hundred at the Charlotte Motor Speedway. The new number 3358 02:47:10.799 --> 02:47:12.639 twenty nine Sting car design will be seen for the 3359 02:47:12.719 --> 02:47:15.200 remainder of the Bush season season. This I think is 3360 02:47:15.239 --> 02:47:17.639 the black and white Sting. They changed the car to 3361 02:47:17.719 --> 02:47:20.440 look like the new Sting. This radical look is a 3362 02:47:20.479 --> 02:47:25.200 defiant challenge to the Kyle Perry Kyle Petty driven number 3363 02:47:25.239 --> 02:47:28.360 forty nine Champion Motorsports Monte Carlo sponsored by the New 3364 02:47:28.399 --> 02:47:31.319 World Order that will compete at the Busch Series All 3365 02:47:31.360 --> 02:47:33.520 Pro Bumper of Bumper three hundred. The NWOL led by 3366 02:47:33.520 --> 02:47:36.479 Hollywood Hulkogan, along with the Giant Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, 3367 02:47:36.520 --> 02:47:39.799 have threatened World Championship Wrestling with a hostile takeover by 3368 02:47:39.879 --> 02:47:43.600 challenging WCW superstars Macho Manraady Savage, Sting, Lex Luger and 3369 02:47:43.680 --> 02:47:45.959 Rick Flair. Sting, who will be in the number twenty 3370 02:47:46.079 --> 02:47:48.760 nine pits on race day so he showed up at 3371 02:47:48.840 --> 02:47:51.520 the Charlotte Motor Speedway to make a promotional appearance as 3372 02:47:51.559 --> 02:47:56.000 Sting after becoming the Crow Guy in October. Yeah welcomes 3373 02:47:56.040 --> 02:47:59.280 the nWo challenge. Bring it on hard and fast, said Sting. 3374 02:47:59.600 --> 02:48:01.920 The Numberumber twenty nine car is out to win the race. 3375 02:48:02.040 --> 02:48:04.719 Beating the nWo will take care of itself. W SEW 3376 02:48:04.799 --> 02:48:07.280 superstar Marchumin Ready Savage will also be at the October 3377 02:48:07.319 --> 02:48:09.600 fifth race representing the number fifty seven slim gym car 3378 02:48:09.840 --> 02:48:12.920 driven by Jason Keller. The number twenty nine WCW car 3379 02:48:13.040 --> 02:48:16.280 has experienced solid success in ninety six with two Busch 3380 02:48:16.479 --> 02:48:19.559 Series victories at the Goodies three hundred and Daytone and 3381 02:48:19.600 --> 02:48:22.319 thirty eighteenth and the Hummingbird fish Finder five hundred K 3382 02:48:22.440 --> 02:48:25.520 in Talladay Go on July twenty seventh. Diamondridge Motorsports and 3383 02:48:25.520 --> 02:48:28.159 World Championship Wrestling are a powerful tag team on the 3384 02:48:28.239 --> 02:48:31.719 NASCAR Busch Series circuit. World Championship Wrestling, where the Big 3385 02:48:31.760 --> 02:48:40.000 Boys play, produces in markets, television program markets, television programs, 3386 02:48:40.040 --> 02:48:43.120 and live events featuring wrestling superstars, and is operated by 3387 02:48:43.200 --> 02:48:48.280 Turner Sports, a subsidiary of Turner Broadcasting System Incorporated. WCW 3388 02:48:48.479 --> 02:48:50.479 programming can be seen in ninety four percent of the 3389 02:48:50.559 --> 02:48:54.639 US television households each week on TBS superstation TNT and 3390 02:48:54.879 --> 02:48:59.879 in syndication. Howry l language use couple big fucking thumbs 3391 02:48:59.920 --> 02:49:02.559 up up there to the press release. Big fucking thumbs 3392 02:49:02.600 --> 02:49:05.000 up to the Alan Sharp press release. Alan Sharp, by 3393 02:49:05.000 --> 02:49:09.360 the way, the WBPR agent who also plays the lawyer 3394 02:49:09.879 --> 02:49:14.719 in the Nick Patrick Chris Jericho stuff. Yes, in between guys, 3395 02:49:14.799 --> 02:49:18.079 so you know, reading the riot Act of Chris Jericho 3396 02:49:18.200 --> 02:49:19.239 for various misdeeds. 3397 02:49:19.440 --> 02:49:19.840 Of course. 3398 02:49:20.159 --> 02:49:23.520 This is also nWo World Tour Day's Baby WCW versus 3399 02:49:23.639 --> 02:49:28.079 nWo World Tour and n sixty four changed to Everything 3400 02:49:28.479 --> 02:49:31.440 the Prey concursor to No Mercy in so many ways. 3401 02:49:31.520 --> 02:49:32.040 Oh for sure. 3402 02:49:32.200 --> 02:49:34.760 I remember playing WSW Versus the World on PS one 3403 02:49:34.879 --> 02:49:36.559 with a Stark ninety six hype on. 3404 02:49:36.639 --> 02:49:37.200 In the background. 3405 02:49:37.239 --> 02:49:40.280 I remember that Nitro wow I trose before Stark ninety 3406 02:49:40.319 --> 02:49:43.440 six and I'm another TV we had in the living room. 3407 02:49:43.479 --> 02:49:46.159 We had the PlayStation on which we rented, so it 3408 02:49:46.319 --> 02:49:48.399 was like vital that you get as much time in 3409 02:49:48.520 --> 02:49:52.079 playing as you could. I believe WW versus the World 3410 02:49:52.360 --> 02:49:55.239 with that's amazing nitrol on in the background behind me. 3411 02:49:56.479 --> 02:49:58.440 This is from the Business Wire, also from this time period. 3412 02:49:58.479 --> 02:50:02.520 I remember seventh, nineteen ninety six, Nintendo signs THHQ as 3413 02:50:02.680 --> 02:50:06.840 newest Nintendo sixty four member World Championship Wrestling Stars to 3414 02:50:06.879 --> 02:50:10.600 be found on N sixty four. Nintendo of America Thursday 3415 02:50:10.639 --> 02:50:13.879 announced that THHQ Inc. Is the latest member to join 3416 02:50:13.959 --> 02:50:16.680 the team to develop or publish video games for the 3417 02:50:16.719 --> 02:50:19.719 company's mega hit Nintendo sixty four home video game system. 3418 02:50:20.040 --> 02:50:23.840 Well over one half million units of Nintendo sixty four, 3419 02:50:24.079 --> 02:50:26.879 the world's first true sixty four bit home video game machine, 3420 02:50:27.079 --> 02:50:29.159 have sold in the United States since its debut on 3421 02:50:29.200 --> 02:50:32.319 September twenty ninth, selling a new industry record, setting a 3422 02:50:32.360 --> 02:50:34.559 new industry record, you believe n sixty four came out 3423 02:50:34.600 --> 02:50:37.719 in nineteen ninety six, Like it was way after that. 3424 02:50:38.239 --> 02:50:41.399 God, well, not way after that, because I was definitely 3425 02:50:41.399 --> 02:50:44.680 playing in high school and that was ninety eight or something. 3426 02:50:44.799 --> 02:50:49.159 But in sixty four, No, yeah, it was like ninety seven. 3427 02:50:49.319 --> 02:50:51.120 You need it? Do you remember getting excited about it? 3428 02:50:52.680 --> 02:50:52.920 Umm? 3429 02:50:54.000 --> 02:50:58.840 No, no, because you know, my mindset was I'm not 3430 02:50:58.920 --> 02:51:00.920 going to get it. My parents are any going it 3431 02:51:01.000 --> 02:51:01.159 for me? 3432 02:51:02.239 --> 02:51:02.399 You know. 3433 02:51:02.639 --> 02:51:05.319 I never fucking got Yeah, never got the new thing. 3434 02:51:06.159 --> 02:51:06.319 You know. 3435 02:51:06.520 --> 02:51:09.520 I was always you know, Nintendo came out and what 3436 02:51:09.760 --> 02:51:13.639 ninety five eighty five the original Nintendo. Yeah, I got 3437 02:51:13.680 --> 02:51:17.159 my Nintendo right before the SNS came out. It's like, 3438 02:51:17.559 --> 02:51:19.879 you know, I was always the very fucking end of 3439 02:51:19.959 --> 02:51:24.479 the of the road before I got a new incredible 3440 02:51:24.600 --> 02:51:31.600 and yeah. So but I do remember that, I I 3441 02:51:31.719 --> 02:51:37.719 forget it was for my birthdays when my mom they 3442 02:51:37.760 --> 02:51:44.799 gave me a PlayStation PlayStation one and I liked it, 3443 02:51:45.680 --> 02:51:49.479 but I was like, you know, if it's all the same, 3444 02:51:50.799 --> 02:51:53.159 can we bring this back and get an N sixty four? 3445 02:51:54.760 --> 02:51:58.280 And we did because I had all my friends were 3446 02:51:58.280 --> 02:52:02.239 playing gold Mine, you know, and GoldenEye was the fucking thing, 3447 02:52:02.479 --> 02:52:04.280 like everyone was doing that, and they didn't have that 3448 02:52:04.360 --> 02:52:06.719 on PlayStation. Was only on N sixty four, and I 3449 02:52:06.840 --> 02:52:08.520 really wanted to get GoldenEye, and so we did. We 3450 02:52:08.559 --> 02:52:12.000 brought it back, and you know, I got the N 3451 02:52:12.040 --> 02:52:14.360 sixty four, but I and the first wrestling game I 3452 02:52:14.440 --> 02:52:18.200 got on that was Attitude. Oh my god, Yeah, claims 3453 02:52:18.200 --> 02:52:21.719 coming back? Did you hear that? Worse? I did hear 3454 02:52:21.799 --> 02:52:25.719 that Jeff Jarrett is involved in financing it? Somehow? That's 3455 02:52:25.840 --> 02:52:30.600 insane as coming back? Why? I don't know, like what 3456 02:52:30.680 --> 02:52:31.719 does that do for anybody? 3457 02:52:32.079 --> 02:52:34.399 But I know I can tell you that ww VERSW 3458 02:52:34.639 --> 02:52:38.280 World Tour is a huge reason why nitro ratings started 3459 02:52:38.319 --> 02:52:41.479 blowing up and why WCW's business started going through the roof, 3460 02:52:41.520 --> 02:52:44.319 because people were discovering that WCW was a hot brand 3461 02:52:44.360 --> 02:52:47.280 and had the best wrestling game. It wasn't just necessarily 3462 02:52:47.399 --> 02:52:49.399 the case that WWF was going to have the best 3463 02:52:50.040 --> 02:52:52.920 marketing collateral. All of a sudden, maybe ww was worth 3464 02:52:52.959 --> 02:52:56.040 looking at. I remember friends down the street, and one 3465 02:52:56.079 --> 02:52:58.159 guy in particular was like, he did not believe me 3466 02:52:58.200 --> 02:53:00.959 when I told him that this nWo that everybody was 3467 02:53:01.000 --> 02:53:03.920 talking about was not a WWF angle because he couldn't 3468 02:53:03.920 --> 02:53:06.079 wrap his head around the idea that WCW would do 3469 02:53:06.079 --> 02:53:07.120 the highest thing in wrestling. 3470 02:53:07.799 --> 02:53:12.280 Nobody could, unreal, nobody could. That shit's fucking you know, 3471 02:53:12.879 --> 02:53:15.440 he can't be. It can't be. There's no other wrestling 3472 02:53:15.479 --> 02:53:16.399 federations all out. 3473 02:53:17.479 --> 02:53:20.000 No, it's just getting started here right around this time, 3474 02:53:20.200 --> 02:53:23.440 just reving up the video game side. Well over one 3475 02:53:23.440 --> 02:53:26.000 half million units of Nintendo sixty four, the world's first 3476 02:53:26.040 --> 02:53:28.760 true okay, have been sold since debut Setember twenty ninth. 3477 02:53:29.120 --> 02:53:31.360 Many stores still earned short supply of the product as 3478 02:53:31.399 --> 02:53:34.479 consumers wait for new shipments to arrive. Thhq's game for 3479 02:53:34.520 --> 02:53:36.639 the n sixty four system will be an exclusive version 3480 02:53:36.799 --> 02:53:39.319 of World Championship Wrestling, one of the top ranked syndicated 3481 02:53:39.319 --> 02:53:42.399 television programs according to October Nielsen reports. The game will 3482 02:53:42.440 --> 02:53:46.000 incorporate signature moves and voices of wrestling superstars including Nature Boy, 3483 02:53:46.040 --> 02:53:49.600 Rick Flair, Rick Sting, Lex Luger, the Giant in Hollywood, Hulkogan. 3484 02:53:49.799 --> 02:53:52.159 THQ has been a strong supporter of Nintendo for many 3485 02:53:52.239 --> 02:53:55.120 years at Howard Lincoln Sherman, Nintendo of America were thrilled 3486 02:53:55.120 --> 02:53:57.360 to have them join the Nintendo sixty four team. This 3487 02:53:57.559 --> 02:54:01.239 license confirms THHQ as a select publisher of games for 3488 02:54:01.360 --> 02:54:04.399 all game console platforms, said Brian J. Ferrell, President and 3489 02:54:04.479 --> 02:54:07.280 CEO of THHQ. Our success has and will continue to 3490 02:54:07.319 --> 02:54:10.399 be based on publishing strong game content for hardware systems 3491 02:54:10.440 --> 02:54:13.760 with an established customer base. World Championship Wrestling, our first 3492 02:54:13.799 --> 02:54:16.680 release for the Nintendo sixty four, is another example of 3493 02:54:16.719 --> 02:54:19.079 our commitment to enter a new market with a major title. 3494 02:54:19.360 --> 02:54:23.319 World Championship Wrestling, a subsidiary of TBS Incorporated, produces eight 3495 02:54:23.399 --> 02:54:27.000 hours of original television programming each week broadcast What's this? 3496 02:54:27.079 --> 02:54:30.079 What's that? I heard? Eight hours and multiple We are 3497 02:54:30.280 --> 02:54:34.399 writing this year down right down numbers and we get it, 3498 02:54:34.440 --> 02:54:39.399 write down market stats. What we have is we provide 3499 02:54:40.159 --> 02:54:46.399 colorful characters in a multitude of platforms across varying countries 3500 02:54:46.920 --> 02:54:51.600 in about say, we put it in maybe five thousand languages. 3501 02:54:51.360 --> 02:54:54.879 A multitude of characters that we produce a multitude of characters, 3502 02:54:54.920 --> 02:54:58.479 not television shows it's the characters. We produce the television 3503 02:54:58.479 --> 02:55:00.879 and just follows on naturally. But at its heart, what 3504 02:55:00.959 --> 02:55:02.479 we do is create those characters. 3505 02:55:02.200 --> 02:55:06.440 That, oh, you know, the television is created with a 3506 02:55:07.280 --> 02:55:10.959 sense of pride and dignity that I think translates into 3507 02:55:11.159 --> 02:55:17.959 an outcome that is visible and viable from a multitude 3508 02:55:18.000 --> 02:55:26.719 of individuals watching television, watching entertainment, watching vehicles that create characters, 3509 02:55:26.840 --> 02:55:31.399 tell stories, and they love it to integrity. You say 3510 02:55:31.479 --> 02:55:35.159 that they have integrity? Is that what he said? I said, well, 3511 02:55:35.319 --> 02:55:38.520 you know, I do believe that I have integrity. So 3512 02:55:38.600 --> 02:55:42.440 how many countries worldwide? I believe we are currently in 3513 02:55:43.040 --> 02:55:44.159 eight thousand. 3514 02:55:44.319 --> 02:55:46.760 WW as it says right here, broadcast throughout the United 3515 02:55:46.799 --> 02:55:48.959 States and more than twenty five countries worldwide. 3516 02:55:49.600 --> 02:55:53.840 Oh no, no, eight thousand. Easily we have you know, 3517 02:55:53.959 --> 02:55:54.639 we are. 3518 02:55:55.520 --> 02:55:56.079 What we do. 3519 02:55:57.760 --> 02:56:00.239 Is what we do exactly, and what we do and 3520 02:56:00.399 --> 02:56:02.360 we do it better than what anyone else can do. 3521 02:56:03.559 --> 02:56:10.840 In a very diplomatic, dimatic diplomatic sense. Yeah, I mean, 3522 02:56:11.040 --> 02:56:14.799 I mean eight thousand countries has to be diplomacy involved. Yes, yes, 3523 02:56:14.879 --> 02:56:20.040 we we we involved diplomacy when it comes to producing entertaining. 3524 02:56:19.719 --> 02:56:22.440 Telephone As somebody who didn't get the sn E S 3525 02:56:23.159 --> 02:56:26.760 during its you know, height of relevancy, did it? Did 3526 02:56:26.799 --> 02:56:28.879 it hurt to see the Royal Rumble on the shelf 3527 02:56:28.920 --> 02:56:32.440 with Hogan on it? It hurt to see money? 3528 02:56:34.520 --> 02:56:40.159 Well, I got the Genesis later though later if I 3529 02:56:40.239 --> 02:56:45.799 got the if I got the Nintendo in ninety one, 3530 02:56:46.079 --> 02:56:52.959 I probably got my Genesis in like ninety four. Right 3531 02:56:54.239 --> 02:56:59.559 like when I after I got the Genesis, Segacy D 3532 02:56:59.680 --> 02:57:01.799 came out, it was it was paid until you got 3533 02:57:01.799 --> 02:57:05.520 that Genesis. Yeah, absolutely, listen. It was awful because I 3534 02:57:05.680 --> 02:57:10.719 wanted you know, they had the uh, the Royal Rumble 3535 02:57:11.079 --> 02:57:14.680 with Hogan only on That's what I wanted because because 3536 02:57:14.719 --> 02:57:19.760 that's why I I when when it came time that 3537 02:57:19.879 --> 02:57:23.520 the Hogan was only on the s n E S four, No, 3538 02:57:23.840 --> 02:57:29.040 the Genesis version, right, so that that that right, So 3539 02:57:30.040 --> 02:57:31.760 when it came time and I was able to get 3540 02:57:31.760 --> 02:57:40.360 an upgrade, I wanted. Yeah, I wanted the Genesis because 3541 02:57:41.040 --> 02:57:46.600 the Royal Rumble game for Genesis had Hogan in it, 3542 02:57:47.120 --> 02:57:51.239 and as opposed to the the and the and for 3543 02:57:51.360 --> 02:57:55.239 that matter, the uh, the Super WrestleMania game for Genesis 3544 02:57:55.360 --> 02:57:59.959 had Warrior in it, Christ, which was different than both 3545 02:58:00.239 --> 02:58:05.079 of course I didn't get the natural disasters, you know 3546 02:58:05.200 --> 02:58:10.399 they were in and the Super that's right, exact amazing stuff. 3547 02:58:10.440 --> 02:58:12.680 So you know they're given to you. You remember these things. 3548 02:58:12.719 --> 02:58:15.399 It's so fucking much. Oh yeah, I mean, and then 3549 02:58:15.479 --> 02:58:17.719 this is the reason why I fucking took them. I 3550 02:58:17.840 --> 02:58:23.000 needed I needed Hogan and it was hard to buy Raw. 3551 02:58:23.520 --> 02:58:27.319 When the Raw game came out, that was hard to buy, Yeah, 3552 02:58:27.440 --> 02:58:30.280 because Hogan wasn't it because he was in the other 3553 02:58:30.360 --> 02:58:34.040 company at the time, to be Super Brawl. Oh that 3554 02:58:34.120 --> 02:58:35.520 what They didn't have Hogan in it either, exse that 3555 02:58:35.600 --> 02:58:38.879 came out before. No, I didn't even know that existed. Honestly, 3556 02:58:39.079 --> 02:58:42.680 I just like I later on my sixteen bit game 3557 02:58:42.799 --> 02:58:46.000 system era. Man, good luck ever getting back there. 3558 02:58:47.799 --> 02:58:48.159 You can't. 3559 02:58:48.559 --> 02:58:50.239 That's the whole that's the whole. 3560 02:58:50.079 --> 02:58:53.159 Fucking combat, you know, like all these games breaking the mold. 3561 02:58:53.280 --> 02:58:55.520 Every two months something came out that broke the mold. 3562 02:58:56.399 --> 02:58:58.879 He just scrambled to find a friend who had it. 3563 02:58:59.000 --> 02:59:02.520 And oh yeah, i'd you rented out. 3564 02:59:02.559 --> 02:59:04.040 You'd go to a Blockbuster or eight weeks in a 3565 02:59:04.120 --> 02:59:07.559 row wouldn't be there, fucking hell, and then it would 3566 02:59:07.639 --> 02:59:09.360 be and that would be the greatest weekend of your 3567 02:59:09.440 --> 02:59:10.360 life and that's gone. 3568 02:59:11.559 --> 02:59:11.920 You have it. 3569 02:59:12.159 --> 02:59:15.319 And then I rented I rented King of the Ring. 3570 02:59:15.440 --> 02:59:19.399 The only the only, yeah, I rented the was awful. 3571 02:59:19.799 --> 02:59:22.520 The w King of the Ring game terrible play. That 3572 02:59:22.639 --> 02:59:25.360 was absolutely awful. They had like the. 3573 02:59:27.600 --> 02:59:29.920 Other one that had the ring at like a if 3574 02:59:29.959 --> 02:59:32.559 a perpendicular angle, like you were looking at it like 3575 02:59:32.680 --> 02:59:33.959 it's a diamond instead of. 3576 02:59:35.360 --> 02:59:41.360 I know that, uh, WrestleMania Challenge, have that steel Cage Challenge, 3577 02:59:41.440 --> 02:59:45.799 don't know? Steel Cage Challenge was Regular, which, honestly the 3578 02:59:45.879 --> 02:59:48.920 worst fucking steel cage match you could possibly have where 3579 02:59:49.040 --> 02:59:51.040 you win by climbing to the top of the cage. 3580 02:59:51.200 --> 02:59:53.479 You don't climb to the floor. You stand on the 3581 02:59:53.520 --> 02:59:55.440 top of the Yeah, on the top of the cage, 3582 02:59:55.479 --> 02:59:59.280 and you raise your arm in victory. It's so fucking dumb. 3583 03:00:00.000 --> 03:00:00.120 Oh. 3584 03:00:00.639 --> 03:00:02.239 Now I had King of the Ring for Game Boy. 3585 03:00:03.440 --> 03:00:06.479 I didn't have it. Wow, even worse, even worse. 3586 03:00:06.479 --> 03:00:09.120 It's right, It's like they were like they were trying 3587 03:00:09.159 --> 03:00:11.319 to get comfortable putting Brett on the on the cover 3588 03:00:11.399 --> 03:00:14.559 of the game instead of Hulk, you know, right right right? 3589 03:00:16.600 --> 03:00:16.719 Was it? 3590 03:00:16.879 --> 03:00:20.799 Luger and King of the Ring? Yeah, I remember that Yeah, 3591 03:00:20.959 --> 03:00:23.440 he was weird roster for King of the Ring if 3592 03:00:23.440 --> 03:00:24.200 I remember correctly. 3593 03:00:24.799 --> 03:00:26.879 So one more thing about World War Three that comes 3594 03:00:26.959 --> 03:00:29.840 to mind, and this isn't because the match itself that 3595 03:00:29.879 --> 03:00:32.639 happens in Norfolk, Virginia is emblematic of this, but it's 3596 03:00:32.959 --> 03:00:35.719 it happens during the time period, and it's probably the 3597 03:00:35.799 --> 03:00:37.440 only opportunity we're going to get to look at this 3598 03:00:37.559 --> 03:00:40.559 dynamic because it's the only pay per view match really 3599 03:00:40.600 --> 03:00:43.920 that that would count for. It is the saga between 3600 03:00:44.000 --> 03:00:46.079 Jerry Saggs and Scott Hall. Do you do you know 3601 03:00:46.239 --> 03:00:47.000 or remember any of this? 3602 03:00:49.040 --> 03:00:50.840 Ah, I know a little. 3603 03:00:50.879 --> 03:00:52.920 I don't know, always touched on it before in the past. 3604 03:00:53.719 --> 03:00:55.520 I'm not sure exactly in which context to tell you 3605 03:00:55.600 --> 03:00:57.120 the truth, but some of this will be a little 3606 03:00:57.120 --> 03:00:58.840 bit of a visiting. But I look more deeply into 3607 03:00:58.879 --> 03:01:01.520 it because it was during this era when the Nasty 3608 03:01:01.520 --> 03:01:03.239 Boys would mix it up with the Outsiders, because the 3609 03:01:03.280 --> 03:01:06.559 Outsiders were WCW Tag Team champions and were working the 3610 03:01:06.600 --> 03:01:09.239 Faces of Fear and working the Nasties and other tag 3611 03:01:09.319 --> 03:01:11.639 teams on the house show circuit. Something that's always so 3612 03:01:11.680 --> 03:01:13.959 important to remember about those early nWo days that after 3613 03:01:14.040 --> 03:01:16.639 Hogan turned heel and won the world title. Like the 3614 03:01:16.719 --> 03:01:19.239 outsiders were just going to be like mid card guys. 3615 03:01:19.520 --> 03:01:22.479 You know, they were important right, characters for sure, but 3616 03:01:22.799 --> 03:01:24.879 when it came time to wrestle, their match was not 3617 03:01:24.920 --> 03:01:27.520 going to be the main event, right. They were just 3618 03:01:27.520 --> 03:01:28.600 going to be the tag They were just going to 3619 03:01:28.639 --> 03:01:30.280 be the guys that held down the tag team titles 3620 03:01:30.479 --> 03:01:33.200 while Hogan held down the World Giant or whoever held 3621 03:01:33.200 --> 03:01:36.799 down the US six held down the cruiserweight. It was 3622 03:01:36.920 --> 03:01:39.319 never that Hall and Nash were of equal stature to 3623 03:01:39.360 --> 03:01:42.319 Hogan as it regards the position on the cards. Crucial 3624 03:01:42.399 --> 03:01:45.159 to remember that. So here they are mixing it up 3625 03:01:45.200 --> 03:01:47.520 with all these WCW tag teams because that's how they 3626 03:01:47.559 --> 03:01:50.280 were slotted, and among them were the Nasty Boys. And 3627 03:01:50.440 --> 03:01:53.399 there was an incident. It all starts, actually, now that 3628 03:01:53.479 --> 03:01:55.680 I looked closely at it, on the same nitro that 3629 03:01:55.719 --> 03:01:57.879 we just heard We're Bischoff turns Heel. At the very 3630 03:01:58.120 --> 03:02:01.000 top of that episode, they jumped right into action and say, 3631 03:02:01.120 --> 03:02:05.239 ladies and gentlemen, we're live here in Charleston and it's chaos. 3632 03:02:06.079 --> 03:02:08.079 Hall and Nash have hit the ring and started attacking 3633 03:02:08.200 --> 03:02:11.000 people with chairs. This is during like a Luca six 3634 03:02:11.079 --> 03:02:13.879 man tag match, and for some reason the Nasties come 3635 03:02:13.920 --> 03:02:17.040 out as well, and Hogan Hall hits the ring and 3636 03:02:17.040 --> 03:02:19.399 absolutely cracks Jerry Saggs in the back of the head with. 3637 03:02:19.399 --> 03:02:22.760 A steel chair. You know, there's a huge goose egg. 3638 03:02:22.680 --> 03:02:24.799 On Sags's head, and there was real concern that he 3639 03:02:24.840 --> 03:02:28.120 suffered like a very serious concussion and like a career 3640 03:02:28.159 --> 03:02:31.920 altering injury. And that was kind of you know, the 3641 03:02:32.040 --> 03:02:35.600 first shot across the Bow and what would become a serious, 3642 03:02:36.639 --> 03:02:40.239 a serious series of disputes and even a lawsuit involving 3643 03:02:40.319 --> 03:02:43.840 these parties. He claims SAgs does to have suffered a 3644 03:02:43.840 --> 03:02:48.079 concussion and a spinal injury in that in a subsequent situation. 3645 03:02:48.559 --> 03:02:51.639 So what happens here World War three is between that 3646 03:02:51.840 --> 03:02:56.239 one nitro first fire across the Bow and the fateful 3647 03:02:56.440 --> 03:02:59.959 January nineteen ninety seven WW House show in Shreveport, Luisiana 3648 03:03:00.239 --> 03:03:03.319 where things got so out of control that Jerry Saggs 3649 03:03:03.319 --> 03:03:05.000 beat the shit out of Scott Hall and punched a 3650 03:03:05.079 --> 03:03:07.719 tooth out of his face. Wow, Because he felt like 3651 03:03:07.959 --> 03:03:11.360 despite the prior warnings about avoiding Jerry Sagg's neck and 3652 03:03:11.440 --> 03:03:15.600 despite the prior instances where he was hurt like by 3653 03:03:15.639 --> 03:03:19.040 a Scott Hall attack and then perceiving that Nation Hall 3654 03:03:19.120 --> 03:03:22.079 were laughing about it backstage, although certainly a National Hall 3655 03:03:23.079 --> 03:03:26.040 would dispute the characterization of them laughing at the fact 3656 03:03:26.040 --> 03:03:28.239 that Jerry Saggs was hurt, but more laughing at kind 3657 03:03:28.239 --> 03:03:32.760 of the circumstance overall. But that led to SAgs getting 3658 03:03:32.879 --> 03:03:35.600 really you know, harboring deep resentment and just straight up 3659 03:03:35.600 --> 03:03:37.799 attacking Scott Hall. And it was kind of the talk 3660 03:03:37.840 --> 03:03:39.959 of the business for a little while, and it caused 3661 03:03:40.120 --> 03:03:42.440 Jerry Saggs to just sit out to try to claim 3662 03:03:42.600 --> 03:03:44.719 career ending injuries and try to sue the pants off 3663 03:03:45.239 --> 03:03:49.239 Scott Hall on WCW for this whole you know, workplace situation. 3664 03:03:49.559 --> 03:03:52.719 So we do see several moments, I don't know if 3665 03:03:52.760 --> 03:03:54.600 you if you would agree, of course, at World War 3666 03:03:54.680 --> 03:03:57.680 three it was Nation Hall versus the Barbarian and Meng 3667 03:03:57.920 --> 03:04:00.520 and the Nasties and a triangle tag team match for 3668 03:04:00.639 --> 03:04:02.719 the titles. Yeah, and do you feel like there are 3669 03:04:02.719 --> 03:04:04.520 several moments in this match where these guys are just 3670 03:04:05.319 --> 03:04:08.520 throwing way too recklessly and it's getting like really out 3671 03:04:08.559 --> 03:04:08.959 of control. 3672 03:04:10.799 --> 03:04:12.399 Yeah, it did feel a little bit like that. 3673 03:04:13.159 --> 03:04:14.639 It had me like do a double take on like, 3674 03:04:14.879 --> 03:04:17.479 is this the match that all this shit stemmed from? 3675 03:04:17.559 --> 03:04:20.200 Because people talk about it like it was on TV? 3676 03:04:21.520 --> 03:04:23.760 Really it it? 3677 03:04:24.200 --> 03:04:24.239 It? 3678 03:04:25.399 --> 03:04:29.079 It also felt very sloppy, right, you know, And and 3679 03:04:29.200 --> 03:04:35.360 to me, if it's sloppy, something's up, I think unless 3680 03:04:35.399 --> 03:04:38.719 you're just really really bad. And the thing is, well, 3681 03:04:38.799 --> 03:04:42.440 none of these guys are, you know, excellent workers. They're 3682 03:04:42.479 --> 03:04:49.239 all seasons the typically I've you know, I've seen good 3683 03:04:49.639 --> 03:04:53.159 and bad Nasty Boy matches, I've seen good and bad 3684 03:04:53.719 --> 03:04:57.360 Barbarian mag matches. I've seen good and bad Outsiders matches, 3685 03:04:57.600 --> 03:05:01.280 but I've never seen them really sloppy. And that's what 3686 03:05:01.600 --> 03:05:03.879 I noted was that it was very, very sloppy. 3687 03:05:03.920 --> 03:05:05.840 There are several moments where the match kind of devolves 3688 03:05:05.879 --> 03:05:08.559 into one guy cornering another guy and just throwing, and 3689 03:05:08.600 --> 03:05:10.879 then two other guys get involved in just fists are 3690 03:05:10.879 --> 03:05:13.559 flying like it's a bar fight, and it's pretty intense. 3691 03:05:14.000 --> 03:05:17.760 But it also seems against type, like you're saying, for 3692 03:05:17.840 --> 03:05:19.959 all these guys, it seems like something's a miss, like 3693 03:05:20.040 --> 03:05:23.600 they're lost or something's going wrong. And it's interesting to 3694 03:05:23.680 --> 03:05:26.639 know that there had already been that initial conflagration between 3695 03:05:26.680 --> 03:05:28.879 Scott Hall and Jerry Sag. So maybe we are seeing 3696 03:05:28.879 --> 03:05:31.040 a little bit of live rounds being thrown. Maybe we 3697 03:05:31.120 --> 03:05:33.040 are seeing a little bit of a preview of what 3698 03:05:33.200 --> 03:05:35.159 was to happen in January at that house show that 3699 03:05:35.239 --> 03:05:38.680 blew this whole thing up. But watch this one closely 3700 03:05:38.680 --> 03:05:40.440 at World War three because I think you see a 3701 03:05:40.479 --> 03:05:43.120 little bit of a hint at wants to come as 3702 03:05:43.159 --> 03:05:45.399 they kind of test each other's limits a bit. And 3703 03:05:45.959 --> 03:05:48.520 here we're going to go through it and what the 3704 03:05:49.239 --> 03:05:51.319 parties have said about it over the years. Here's Scott 3705 03:05:51.399 --> 03:05:54.159 Hall in a shoot interview on RF video and he's 3706 03:05:54.200 --> 03:05:57.879 describing an incident that I'm pretty sure is the aforementioned 3707 03:05:58.200 --> 03:06:03.120 November nitro where that chair shot cracked SAgs in Duscott 3708 03:06:03.159 --> 03:06:05.760 Hall as only he can takes us from there. 3709 03:06:06.840 --> 03:06:09.879 I mean you and Jerry SAgs and wcw In in 3710 03:06:09.959 --> 03:06:10.520 the matter up. 3711 03:06:12.239 --> 03:06:12.440 Well. 3712 03:06:12.680 --> 03:06:14.639 One of the things that happened that started to out 3713 03:06:14.760 --> 03:06:18.200 the grief was Kevin and I got paid real well 3714 03:06:18.360 --> 03:06:20.600 when we came in and a lot of guys were 3715 03:06:20.639 --> 03:06:24.440 there took pay cuts and not because of us, and 3716 03:06:24.479 --> 03:06:26.760 we didn't know anything about it, but some guys were 3717 03:06:26.840 --> 03:06:29.120 making like three hundred and fifty grand a year, and 3718 03:06:29.200 --> 03:06:31.239 they came to and they weren't working. Back then, they 3719 03:06:31.239 --> 03:06:34.040 didn't even run housees because they couldn't they couldn't draw, 3720 03:06:35.079 --> 03:06:38.600 and so they said, we can't give you three fifty, 3721 03:06:38.639 --> 03:06:41.120 but we'll give you three hundred. So a lot of 3722 03:06:41.159 --> 03:06:44.120 guys agreed to it. Apparently the Nasty Boys agreed to 3723 03:06:44.200 --> 03:06:46.719 take a pay cut. And when they bitched about it. 3724 03:06:47.000 --> 03:06:48.559 By the way I heard it was Terry chefs. So 3725 03:06:48.600 --> 03:06:50.200 we had a hall of dash gin all the money. 3726 03:06:50.760 --> 03:06:54.879 So right away we get heating. Wow, it's just I 3727 03:06:54.959 --> 03:06:55.879 get heat anyway. 3728 03:06:55.959 --> 03:06:58.920 I don't care, you know, I like it, of course not, 3729 03:06:59.079 --> 03:07:01.799 you know, but sciat. 3730 03:07:01.159 --> 03:07:05.000 Seeing because we're obnoxiously happy, you know we are. We're 3731 03:07:05.079 --> 03:07:08.239 walking around smile and laughing because we getting paid and 3732 03:07:08.319 --> 03:07:08.799 we don't care. 3733 03:07:08.840 --> 03:07:09.360 Who knows it? 3734 03:07:10.879 --> 03:07:11.239 All right? 3735 03:07:11.399 --> 03:07:14.959 So word again heat in other words, like everyone hates us. Okay, 3736 03:07:15.559 --> 03:07:18.760 So that's necessary precondition Terry Taylor walking around. That's the 3737 03:07:18.799 --> 03:07:21.159 way telling people they're making real money. So that's why 3738 03:07:21.159 --> 03:07:23.520 they really pissed the Nasty Boys, at least to hear 3739 03:07:23.559 --> 03:07:24.000 Hall tell it. 3740 03:07:24.079 --> 03:07:24.680 So here's some more. 3741 03:07:25.159 --> 03:07:26.399 We were told to hit the ring. 3742 03:07:26.600 --> 03:07:30.479 We're somewhere and they're wrestling some Mexican wrestlers and me 3743 03:07:30.479 --> 03:07:33.120 and Ken are supposed to hit the ring and lay 3744 03:07:33.200 --> 03:07:33.920 them out with chairs. 3745 03:07:34.719 --> 03:07:37.319 Go first and faster than cav So I slide in 3746 03:07:37.360 --> 03:07:37.840 with the chair. 3747 03:07:37.959 --> 03:07:40.120 I straddled one of the Mexican guys who was down, 3748 03:07:40.440 --> 03:07:45.639 and I waffled sacks with a chair and swing a chair. 3749 03:07:45.799 --> 03:07:47.239 I swim to me. 3750 03:07:47.319 --> 03:07:48.639 It's like, don't ask me to hit you with a 3751 03:07:48.680 --> 03:07:51.239 gimmick because I'm gonna hit you. I'd rather not do it, 3752 03:07:51.360 --> 03:07:53.000 or I'm gonna do it, and I'll take it the 3753 03:07:53.040 --> 03:07:53.479 same way. 3754 03:07:54.559 --> 03:07:54.840 I don't. 3755 03:07:54.879 --> 03:07:57.879 I don't do that, I said it. So I hit him. 3756 03:07:58.719 --> 03:08:00.600 I didn't know that I potato them. He rolled out 3757 03:08:00.600 --> 03:08:02.719 of the ring and he had his back like this, 3758 03:08:02.959 --> 03:08:05.559 and I thought he was feeding me. I almost hit 3759 03:08:05.680 --> 03:08:07.879 him again from inside the ring to the fore because 3760 03:08:07.879 --> 03:08:10.319 I thought he wanted another one, because before we went 3761 03:08:10.360 --> 03:08:10.840 out and I was. 3762 03:08:11.040 --> 03:08:12.879 Let make sure you lay it in, la it in. 3763 03:08:14.200 --> 03:08:17.719 So what happened was now he comes back and he's 3764 03:08:17.760 --> 03:08:20.360 got a big goose egg on his head, and as 3765 03:08:20.879 --> 03:08:23.079 he's like turning the corner and I'm sitting there talking 3766 03:08:23.120 --> 03:08:24.239 to Ken, and I said. 3767 03:08:24.040 --> 03:08:26.440 Oh, Ken man, I said, I potatoed SAgs. 3768 03:08:26.520 --> 03:08:29.959 Man, I said, I am so happy because I guess 3769 03:08:30.040 --> 03:08:32.120 he was delirious and I thought he was feeding me 3770 03:08:32.239 --> 03:08:34.239 for a second one. But I didn't do it, And 3771 03:08:34.319 --> 03:08:36.159 I said, man, I am so happy I didn't hit 3772 03:08:36.200 --> 03:08:37.600 him again. I said, I almost hit him again. I 3773 03:08:37.680 --> 03:08:40.280 was kind of doing a nervous laugh. And at that moment, 3774 03:08:40.920 --> 03:08:43.079 SAgs turned the corner with a big goose egg and 3775 03:08:43.120 --> 03:08:45.639 he sees me and kid going out, and he's thinking, 3776 03:08:46.920 --> 03:08:49.799 they're taking my money now, they're taking the liberties with me. 3777 03:08:50.319 --> 03:08:53.120 They got potato me on purpose, and he thinks it's funny, 3778 03:08:54.760 --> 03:08:56.920 is the way I perceived that. He perceived it because 3779 03:08:56.920 --> 03:08:58.079 I've known him a long time. 3780 03:08:59.239 --> 03:09:01.760 And they knew each other back from the AWA days. See, 3781 03:09:02.200 --> 03:09:03.840 so you get that, like he's saying, like him and 3782 03:09:03.959 --> 03:09:05.959 Kevin are like laughing, Man, I'm just glad I didn't 3783 03:09:06.000 --> 03:09:08.440 hit him, you know, harder or anything like that. And 3784 03:09:08.680 --> 03:09:10.719 Sag sees that and thinks they're laughing about the fact 3785 03:09:10.719 --> 03:09:13.719 that they hurt him, which, of course, Kevin Ash Scott 3786 03:09:13.719 --> 03:09:14.319 Hall wouldn't do that. 3787 03:09:14.360 --> 03:09:17.840 They wouldn't laugh about that at all. No, never, I mean, listen, there, 3788 03:09:17.879 --> 03:09:21.040 they're great guys and they're very considerate of others or 3789 03:09:21.280 --> 03:09:25.719 you know, they would never ever make forgot anybody very good. 3790 03:09:26.040 --> 03:09:28.920 Here's Brian Knobbs talking to Hannibal about the whole episode. 3791 03:09:28.959 --> 03:09:32.079 See if we can detect any overlaps or contradictions here. 3792 03:09:33.239 --> 03:09:37.200 You know, it was you know, it was what issue 3793 03:09:37.200 --> 03:09:40.600 where you know, it was all done before cameras were 3794 03:09:40.639 --> 03:09:43.399 even coming on. You really ain't even have to get 3795 03:09:43.520 --> 03:09:46.079 hit that hard. So when he got hit, he cracked 3796 03:09:46.079 --> 03:09:48.159 a couple of his vertebrae in the back of his neck, 3797 03:09:48.840 --> 03:09:52.840 and you know, from then on, and Sag came back 3798 03:09:52.920 --> 03:09:59.120 and he was there with Kevin Suloman and and Kevin 3799 03:09:59.239 --> 03:10:01.600 Nash and out we're there and they were laughing, but 3800 03:10:01.639 --> 03:10:03.920 I don't think they were laughing about that. And then 3801 03:10:04.079 --> 03:10:06.120 Sag took it because he had a big a I 3802 03:10:06.200 --> 03:10:10.360 mean his neck, there's a big I mean goose egg 3803 03:10:10.479 --> 03:10:13.200 like a sawtwaterback, So Sag didn't know how to take it, 3804 03:10:13.360 --> 03:10:15.799 like did they do that on purpose? So that kind 3805 03:10:15.840 --> 03:10:18.120 of kind of stirred it up. And then after that 3806 03:10:18.319 --> 03:10:20.360 everything was calmed down to they put us back on 3807 03:10:20.479 --> 03:10:23.840 the road again where we were supposed to wrestle. So 3808 03:10:24.159 --> 03:10:26.760 that situation was totally w CW's fault. 3809 03:10:27.239 --> 03:10:28.799 But Kevin and. 3810 03:10:28.879 --> 03:10:32.799 Scott, I mean especially Scott. Scott's been friends of ours 3811 03:10:32.879 --> 03:10:37.719 since way back Awa. I mean, we were good friends. 3812 03:10:38.040 --> 03:10:41.200 He was one of the guys with Austin, Marty and 3813 03:10:42.000 --> 03:10:44.719 Sean and you know Kurt, so we were all a 3814 03:10:44.799 --> 03:10:47.840 little crew ourselves. So and Kevin never had a beef 3815 03:10:47.920 --> 03:10:50.639 with him in my life. So it's all good, man. 3816 03:10:50.719 --> 03:10:54.000 I mean, things happen, and you know, that's life. 3817 03:10:54.840 --> 03:11:10.719 He's a weft fand wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 3818 03:11:10.879 --> 03:11:14.319 knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed Fan. 3819 03:11:29.000 --> 03:11:32.920 He's the lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco 3820 03:11:33.319 --> 03:11:34.319 and JP Soorro. 3821 03:11:36.000 --> 03:11:36.559 That's life. 3822 03:11:36.719 --> 03:11:39.360 So yeah, he's speaking the point that that chair shot 3823 03:11:39.440 --> 03:11:41.200 didn't have to land that hard because they weren't even 3824 03:11:41.239 --> 03:11:44.079 on TV yet. They were, however, filming it to show 3825 03:11:44.120 --> 03:11:46.239 as what happened before we went on the air, and 3826 03:11:46.319 --> 03:11:48.920 it's weird. If you watch that Nitro at the beginning, 3827 03:11:49.159 --> 03:11:51.200 Hall runs in swings a chair and then they freeze 3828 03:11:51.239 --> 03:11:53.399 frame it and you can hear the crack, but they 3829 03:11:53.440 --> 03:11:55.680 don't show the impact. I don't know if that was 3830 03:11:55.719 --> 03:11:58.399 like a decision made on the fly, like he just 3831 03:11:58.479 --> 03:12:00.920 really hurt SAgs. Let's show but let's not show it 3832 03:12:01.040 --> 03:12:03.719 kind of thing, or if maybe when they went back 3833 03:12:03.760 --> 03:12:07.159 and edited that episode of Nitro, if it wasn't freeze 3834 03:12:07.159 --> 03:12:07.840 framed initially. 3835 03:12:07.879 --> 03:12:08.440 I think it was. 3836 03:12:09.040 --> 03:12:11.000 It's based in the commentary that you hear Shamanei and 3837 03:12:11.159 --> 03:12:14.840 Zubisco doing. But yeah, it starts with total chaos as 3838 03:12:14.879 --> 03:12:16.760 if like before cameras went on the nWo hit the 3839 03:12:16.840 --> 03:12:18.040 ring in the match they had nothing to do with, 3840 03:12:18.159 --> 03:12:21.719 and somehow Jerry Saggs gets caught in the crossfire. And 3841 03:12:21.799 --> 03:12:23.399 Knobbs's point is, you know, if it's not going to 3842 03:12:23.440 --> 03:12:25.280 be on television, why do you have to crack him 3843 03:12:25.319 --> 03:12:27.600 that hard. I mean, it's not even like anyone's. 3844 03:12:27.200 --> 03:12:27.680 Going to see it. 3845 03:12:28.399 --> 03:12:30.040 But you know, all's good in the hood there as 3846 03:12:30.079 --> 03:12:32.719 far as Knobs Knobs, they talk about him as just 3847 03:12:32.760 --> 03:12:35.040 being like trying to reconcile and say, you know, this 3848 03:12:35.239 --> 03:12:37.000 is a my deal and trying to say, like you 3849 03:12:37.000 --> 03:12:39.040 don't want to come after me Kevin and Nash was like, no, 3850 03:12:39.200 --> 03:12:42.399 it's it's on everybody. I'm coming after everybody. Because Nash 3851 03:12:42.440 --> 03:12:45.000 gets really pissed off about this whole thing, and grabs 3852 03:12:45.040 --> 03:12:48.239 a baseball bat and all that. When Hall gets attacked 3853 03:12:48.239 --> 03:12:50.639 in the middle of that match in January ninety seven. Yeah, 3854 03:12:50.840 --> 03:12:53.840 so here's Kevin Nash on KFAB commentary is talking about it. 3855 03:12:54.920 --> 03:12:59.280 Hey, Suberry a friend. But there was a spot for 3856 03:13:00.440 --> 03:13:03.719 Sean Waltman to come in on a run in and 3857 03:13:04.520 --> 03:13:09.399 he was in Shawn's defense. He was blind, so the 3858 03:13:09.520 --> 03:13:16.120 run in was misceued. And uh, there was also a 3859 03:13:16.319 --> 03:13:18.680 ming and Barbarian were also. It was a six man 3860 03:13:18.920 --> 03:13:28.360 tag match, so it turned into a cluster and SAgs 3861 03:13:28.440 --> 03:13:32.399 did SAgs did something. SAgs threw the chair into the ring, 3862 03:13:35.600 --> 03:13:41.360 and if I'm not mistaken, it was like a Brunswick 3863 03:13:41.559 --> 03:13:45.239 bowling chair. It wasn't a folding Yeah, it wasn't a 3864 03:13:45.319 --> 03:13:49.399 folding chair. So when Scott you know, and the way 3865 03:13:49.440 --> 03:13:51.559 they used to light back then, wasn't you know, some 3866 03:13:51.719 --> 03:13:56.760 kind of a trust situation. It was basically the ring 3867 03:13:57.000 --> 03:14:00.319 was lit and then outside of that it was sickly 3868 03:14:00.479 --> 03:14:03.399 dark space. So to take an object and throw it 3869 03:14:03.520 --> 03:14:07.239 from that light down to somebody, it was like once 3870 03:14:07.319 --> 03:14:11.600 it came through that light and the chair hit Jerry 3871 03:14:11.799 --> 03:14:15.319 like if this was the seat of the chair, it 3872 03:14:15.399 --> 03:14:21.000 hit him like almost like that. So he slid back 3873 03:14:21.079 --> 03:14:23.639 in and I was in the corner and you know, 3874 03:14:23.719 --> 03:14:28.799 and things are getting elevated in physicality and Ming's starting 3875 03:14:28.799 --> 03:14:30.920 to lay it in and I'm like, I'm thinking, like 3876 03:14:32.799 --> 03:14:38.120 like like starting to get pissed. And I said to him, 3877 03:14:38.159 --> 03:14:41.360 I said, hey, easy, like, you know, like, what are 3878 03:14:41.399 --> 03:14:43.520 we doing here? To me? 3879 03:14:44.000 --> 03:14:48.520 Yeah, to Ming, and you know, and now. 3880 03:14:48.479 --> 03:14:51.000 It's one of those situations of we have to So 3881 03:14:51.120 --> 03:14:53.440 I'm trying to get loose from Ming and barb in 3882 03:14:53.520 --> 03:14:59.360 the corner, and then sat our knobs peeled a barb 3883 03:14:59.479 --> 03:15:04.200 off and I'm just turning to the referee and going, 3884 03:15:04.719 --> 03:15:09.200 fucking deq it. You know, it's turned into it. It's 3885 03:15:09.239 --> 03:15:12.280 like this is would be a DQ fucking DQ the match. 3886 03:15:13.559 --> 03:15:16.520 So in the meantime, SAgs comes under the bottom rope 3887 03:15:16.639 --> 03:15:19.280 and I see him in Scott exchange and blows in 3888 03:15:19.319 --> 03:15:24.079 the middle of the ring, and finally, you know, I 3889 03:15:24.280 --> 03:15:29.760 got I went outside outside, folded at the announced table, 3890 03:15:30.000 --> 03:15:32.399 came in and pick opened it up and picked the 3891 03:15:32.399 --> 03:15:35.719 announced table up over my head and they all bailed 3892 03:15:35.799 --> 03:15:39.680 on it. And I turn around and Scott is just 3893 03:15:40.040 --> 03:15:42.159 pouring blood out of his nose and his mouth. 3894 03:15:43.120 --> 03:15:43.680 It's eesus. 3895 03:15:45.479 --> 03:15:48.200 I mean, I was living and I went in the 3896 03:15:48.239 --> 03:15:50.200 locker room. I grabbed a bat, and I think it 3897 03:15:50.319 --> 03:15:53.120 was Knobs or SAgs was sitting there, and I swung 3898 03:15:53.239 --> 03:15:56.239 the bat like right above their head, like that far 3899 03:15:56.319 --> 03:15:58.360 above their head. And I was gonna fucking mean, I 3900 03:15:58.440 --> 03:16:03.879 was gonna kill him, and because it's my boy, and 3901 03:16:06.120 --> 03:16:09.840 Scott said, no, man, He said, he thinks he's right, 3902 03:16:11.520 --> 03:16:13.360 you know. He said, that's one thing about Scott, you know, 3903 03:16:13.440 --> 03:16:21.440 he's just like he thinks he's right. So Scott went home, 3904 03:16:21.479 --> 03:16:23.239 he had to get donal work done because he busted 3905 03:16:23.319 --> 03:16:26.959 some teeth and shit. And so then I kept the bat. 3906 03:16:27.799 --> 03:16:33.120 And then the next night we were in maybe Alexandria 3907 03:16:33.360 --> 03:16:37.879 or someplace else. I remember that Dugan walked the nasty 3908 03:16:37.959 --> 03:16:40.840 boys in the back and I was sitting on a 3909 03:16:41.479 --> 03:16:48.399 car with the baseball bat and what Doug looked at 3910 03:16:48.440 --> 03:16:50.000 me and said, he said, I'm not a part of this. 3911 03:16:52.280 --> 03:16:55.440 I said, fine, I get out a part of it. 3912 03:16:55.639 --> 03:16:57.559 And I just looked the other two motherfuckers. I just 3913 03:16:57.680 --> 03:17:01.840 just looked at him. And then Knobs, who wasn't involved 3914 03:17:01.840 --> 03:17:03.559 in the situation, came up to me later and said, 3915 03:17:03.600 --> 03:17:05.920 any way, we've been friends for a long time. You 3916 03:17:06.000 --> 03:17:08.879 know this is between those guys. That's about it. Man, Yes, 3917 03:17:10.840 --> 03:17:16.319 that's the same. So then we went to New Orleans 3918 03:17:16.399 --> 03:17:21.799 for Nitro and Eric was going to fire the Nasty 3919 03:17:21.879 --> 03:17:29.159 Boys on the spot, and it was basically Scott's call, 3920 03:17:29.239 --> 03:17:30.159 and Scott said no. 3921 03:17:33.479 --> 03:17:35.399 So there there, you got got real serious. 3922 03:17:35.479 --> 03:17:39.159 There is Nash the bat and uh and Hall has 3923 03:17:39.319 --> 03:17:41.799 a bit of a same recollection about this, this generary 3924 03:17:41.879 --> 03:17:42.280 house show. 3925 03:17:44.479 --> 03:17:46.840 So then now we're in some other town. 3926 03:17:46.920 --> 03:17:49.799 We're in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, stuff like that, and it's 3927 03:17:50.159 --> 03:17:53.920 it's it's ming and Barbarian nasty boys and me and 3928 03:17:54.040 --> 03:17:58.159 keV and a like one of those cluster six man. 3929 03:17:58.959 --> 03:18:00.680 Three three acting deals. 3930 03:18:00.840 --> 03:18:03.520 Yeah, and the finishes kid who'd wrestled earlier, are supposed 3931 03:18:03.520 --> 03:18:06.000 to run down, throw us a gimmick. We're supposed to 3932 03:18:06.079 --> 03:18:08.440 knock everybody out and keep the belts that kid got. 3933 03:18:09.600 --> 03:18:12.239 He doesn't come down. So now it's time to go home, 3934 03:18:12.319 --> 03:18:14.760 and there's no kid. So we're going, what is going 3935 03:18:14.799 --> 03:18:15.200 on now? 3936 03:18:15.280 --> 03:18:16.920 It's really getting out of control. 3937 03:18:17.520 --> 03:18:20.079 So the Nasty Boys start throwing furniture in the ring, 3938 03:18:20.799 --> 03:18:24.799 so they throw SAgs, goes stomping down the steps. Those 3939 03:18:24.840 --> 03:18:26.840 are plastic chair in the ring. Go stomping back on 3940 03:18:26.959 --> 03:18:28.840 the steps. Now I pick up the chair. You slew 3941 03:18:28.840 --> 03:18:31.520 it in a ring yet, dumby, So I pick it up. 3942 03:18:31.760 --> 03:18:34.440 He comes walking in, looks right at me. I got 3943 03:18:34.520 --> 03:18:37.520 the chair like this, and I did like like Saboo does, 3944 03:18:37.680 --> 03:18:40.200 like Kevin Salomon does. It's a plastic chair. He's looking 3945 03:18:40.280 --> 03:18:42.799 right at me. I think he's paying attention. So I 3946 03:18:43.040 --> 03:18:44.799 pushed the chair at him like that and it hits 3947 03:18:44.879 --> 03:18:47.360 them and it rattles when people go oh. By this time, 3948 03:18:47.440 --> 03:18:50.600 now Ming is hitting me, you know, because we're the 3949 03:18:50.639 --> 03:18:53.000 heels and now there are other two teams are like bayfas. 3950 03:18:53.159 --> 03:18:56.159 So Ming's hit me with working shots and SAgs is 3951 03:18:56.440 --> 03:18:59.920 drilling me with live rounds. But see he's stiff anyway. 3952 03:19:00.280 --> 03:19:02.959 Yeah, I don't think I'm sorry. He's drilling him with 3953 03:19:03.200 --> 03:19:06.920 live Jesus Christ. 3954 03:19:07.079 --> 03:19:07.280 Wow. 3955 03:19:07.840 --> 03:19:10.600 Finally look at him and I realized he's raging. He's mad. 3956 03:19:10.719 --> 03:19:13.760 He's seriously mad. So I just pushed him away, like 3957 03:19:13.879 --> 03:19:14.559 what's your problem. 3958 03:19:14.639 --> 03:19:17.280 He knocked my tooth out, even lost the tooth when 3959 03:19:17.319 --> 03:19:20.440 he knocked it out into the fifth row, and it 3960 03:19:20.559 --> 03:19:22.639 punctured my cheek, and you know, your mouth is so 3961 03:19:22.799 --> 03:19:24.799 filled back to here that my face was like this 3962 03:19:25.559 --> 03:19:28.200 and instantly, so I turned back around. 3963 03:19:28.920 --> 03:19:30.399 You know, now blah blah blah, it's over. 3964 03:19:30.520 --> 03:19:30.639 You know. 3965 03:19:30.719 --> 03:19:32.440 They finally get them out of the ring. I'm standing 3966 03:19:32.479 --> 03:19:34.079 at me and keV got the staff or stay out. 3967 03:19:34.079 --> 03:19:36.760 I turned around to Kevin. Kev's my face all messed up. 3968 03:19:37.360 --> 03:19:40.959 He goes, what the F And I said, his SAgs. 3969 03:19:41.079 --> 03:19:41.280 Man. 3970 03:19:41.680 --> 03:19:44.760 keV goes marches back in the locker and picks up 3971 03:19:44.799 --> 03:19:48.079 Stink's baseball bat and he goes say the word he's dead. 3972 03:19:48.760 --> 03:19:52.719 That's your keV. He thinks he's right, man. He thinks 3973 03:19:52.760 --> 03:19:57.120 he's right because he thought that I. 3974 03:19:57.280 --> 03:19:58.040 Was doing that. 3975 03:19:58.159 --> 03:20:00.799 I was taking liberties with him again because Ken was 3976 03:20:00.879 --> 03:20:03.159 going to kill keV walked in there and just swum 3977 03:20:03.239 --> 03:20:04.520 the baseball that right above. 3978 03:20:04.360 --> 03:20:06.479 His head and said, you want to find out who's 3979 03:20:06.479 --> 03:20:07.680 got stroke around here? 3980 03:20:07.799 --> 03:20:07.840 You? 3981 03:20:10.040 --> 03:20:11.239 And oh God. 3982 03:20:11.479 --> 03:20:12.479 So I go to the hotel. 3983 03:20:12.840 --> 03:20:15.000 We're all going to go out party bat Rouge that night, 3984 03:20:15.040 --> 03:20:16.719 because this is a sweet little party town. 3985 03:20:17.120 --> 03:20:18.879 All the Mexican boys, Braver Stei On. 3986 03:20:18.920 --> 03:20:20.879 Hoovie and Cone and they all come in my room 3987 03:20:20.959 --> 03:20:23.079 with keV and I'm sitting there with this my face 3988 03:20:23.280 --> 03:20:24.879 was sow and I can't laugh as it hurts. 3989 03:20:25.200 --> 03:20:27.079 And they'll go, come on, let's go out, and and skew. 3990 03:20:27.120 --> 03:20:30.680 You ain't going anywhere like this, you know, you know, 3991 03:20:30.879 --> 03:20:34.719 And they so Bishoff called my room that night and 3992 03:20:34.840 --> 03:20:36.399 he goes, hey, hear what happened? You know? 3993 03:20:36.639 --> 03:20:38.520 My god? He goes, you know, he's fired. He's fired. 3994 03:20:38.760 --> 03:20:40.840 I'll fire him instant, I said, I I'll fire him. 3995 03:20:41.040 --> 03:20:44.799 I've known twenty years. Said he's got kids. I said, 3996 03:20:44.799 --> 03:20:46.799 I don't want to work with it anymore. But I said, 3997 03:20:47.040 --> 03:20:47.559 fire him. 3998 03:20:48.680 --> 03:20:51.360 And you know that was and I think what happened 3999 03:20:51.399 --> 03:20:52.879 was he ended up sitting at home for a long 4000 03:20:52.959 --> 03:20:55.200 time and he got paid. And I mean i've seen 4001 03:20:55.280 --> 03:20:57.879 him since then, you know, And it was just it 4002 03:20:57.959 --> 03:20:59.879 was it's just something to happen, you know, it was. 4003 03:21:00.079 --> 03:21:02.879 And I didn't intend for that to happen to him. 4004 03:21:02.959 --> 03:21:05.799 And he intended to hurt me, which is wrong. I mean, 4005 03:21:06.120 --> 03:21:07.799 the way I look at it is, if you had 4006 03:21:07.799 --> 03:21:09.079 a problem with me, you. 4007 03:21:09.040 --> 03:21:09.600 Should have took it. 4008 03:21:09.680 --> 03:21:11.840 You should have fought me in the locker room. Don't 4009 03:21:11.959 --> 03:21:14.079 don't hit me live rounds in the ring when I'm 4010 03:21:14.120 --> 03:21:16.360 giving you my body. I mean I'm leaning my face 4011 03:21:16.399 --> 03:21:18.200 out there and he's hitting me with everything he has. 4012 03:21:18.639 --> 03:21:20.360 And when you're supposed to be that man like you 4013 03:21:20.399 --> 03:21:23.280 can lift their car off a baby itself. One thing 4014 03:21:23.280 --> 03:21:25.479 I'm proud of this dude's hitting me with everything he got. 4015 03:21:26.120 --> 03:21:30.840 He can't even knock me out, still taking shots at 4016 03:21:30.920 --> 03:21:34.520 him after all this making up and everything knock me out. 4017 03:21:35.120 --> 03:21:38.760 I do love Scott saying he thinks he's right, and 4018 03:21:39.079 --> 03:21:42.840 what I mean, I don't even know what that means. 4019 03:21:42.600 --> 03:21:44.719 That he thinks he's in the right for attacking me 4020 03:21:44.879 --> 03:21:47.719 like that because I hit him with that chair and 4021 03:21:47.840 --> 03:21:53.280 hurt him. He's paying me back. But it's this happens 4022 03:21:53.319 --> 03:21:55.159 after World War Three, so it's hard for me to 4023 03:21:55.239 --> 03:21:57.239 like watch this magic World War three and figure out 4024 03:21:57.280 --> 03:21:59.760 if what I'm watching is like the first draft of 4025 03:21:59.799 --> 03:22:01.920 what he would do to him in January and Louisiana 4026 03:22:02.120 --> 03:22:05.520 or right if it escalates from there. Here's another perspective 4027 03:22:05.559 --> 03:22:07.680 we like to get all uh, you know, Carosawa on 4028 03:22:07.799 --> 03:22:11.639 you here. Yes, here's a barbarian on the Wrestling Shoe 4029 03:22:11.639 --> 03:22:13.760 Interviews channel show. 4030 03:22:14.520 --> 03:22:18.479 The deal was Nesty Boy was working some guys in 4031 03:22:18.559 --> 03:22:22.040 the ring and Horror Nest supposed you know, you know, 4032 03:22:22.360 --> 03:22:25.239 supposed to you know, slide in and in the field. 4033 03:22:25.680 --> 03:22:29.920 So what happens Scott Hall great a chair, great a chair. 4034 03:22:29.840 --> 03:22:30.600 And hit the. 4035 03:22:32.639 --> 03:22:36.840 Sacks, says Cherry. Cherry in the bag of the brada. 4036 03:22:37.879 --> 03:22:39.879 You don't come with the and hit the guy in 4037 03:22:39.959 --> 03:22:41.760 the back of the head. You don't do that, you know, 4038 03:22:42.040 --> 03:22:44.399 hit him in the front so he can protect himself. 4039 03:22:45.159 --> 03:22:47.479 You and he hit him so hot, brother. 4040 03:22:48.879 --> 03:22:49.040 Man. 4041 03:22:50.239 --> 03:22:53.600 The thing swallow like a grapefruit, like a grape foot 4042 03:22:53.600 --> 03:22:57.840 the bag. So they rush from the hospital concussion. So 4043 03:22:58.319 --> 03:23:01.920 it peeled up the you know up the build them 4044 03:23:02.000 --> 03:23:05.959 up and until we do the you know, the the 4045 03:23:07.200 --> 03:23:09.360 day team eliminate show what happened? 4046 03:23:10.840 --> 03:23:11.399 Me and Ming? 4047 03:23:11.920 --> 03:23:18.479 So those four so those two guys, they tumbled team Scott, yes, 4048 03:23:18.479 --> 03:23:23.520 Scot Scott all outside, Cherry and Brian of state up date. 4049 03:23:23.959 --> 03:23:28.200 They beat They beat him up so bad, you know, 4050 03:23:28.520 --> 03:23:31.200 I mean for real, not to work for real. They 4051 03:23:31.399 --> 03:23:35.319 beat them bloody. I mean, so and me and Ming 4052 03:23:35.440 --> 03:23:38.799 we are working on the big guy Kevin on the corner. 4053 03:23:39.319 --> 03:23:42.440 I said, I said, guys, guys, guys, please please stop 4054 03:23:42.799 --> 03:23:47.760 stop so so our pack, our our pack to them 4055 03:23:48.399 --> 03:23:52.079 so but nest his face. He short the whole thing. 4056 03:23:52.239 --> 03:23:56.040 I said, guys, guys, please stop, I do help you. 4057 03:23:56.280 --> 03:24:01.920 I said, what do you mean, brother? They beat here 4058 03:24:01.959 --> 03:24:03.959 are so bad? Yeah, yeah, we were there. We were 4059 03:24:04.000 --> 03:24:05.840 there in the ring with them, and we were there 4060 03:24:06.479 --> 03:24:09.879 and there, and what happened The giant what's your name? 4061 03:24:09.959 --> 03:24:10.200 Paul? 4062 03:24:11.079 --> 03:24:15.840 Yeah, yeah, Paul, Yeah, he came and they gave it 4063 03:24:15.959 --> 03:24:18.799 nasty somehow. He grabbed a baseball bed. He wanted to 4064 03:24:18.920 --> 03:24:22.959 kill the nasty boy. So so me and Ming, Me 4065 03:24:23.079 --> 03:24:26.040 and Ming we you know, we grabbed him. We talked 4066 03:24:26.079 --> 03:24:28.319 to him. You know, everything was good, you know, finally 4067 03:24:28.360 --> 03:24:31.959 they share a done and but yeah, well what a night, 4068 03:24:32.520 --> 03:24:35.360 what a night? You know, the people start it's a 4069 03:24:35.479 --> 03:24:38.600 big house. The people start leaving because they knew all 4070 03:24:38.760 --> 03:24:43.040 this for real, so they start leaving, you know instead yeah, 4071 03:24:43.079 --> 03:24:46.760 instead of entertained them for let's start leaving. I mean 4072 03:24:47.600 --> 03:24:50.760 they yeah, I mean, yeah, I like Scott, I like 4073 03:24:50.959 --> 03:24:53.319 I like their love letty boys, but I don't want 4074 03:24:53.319 --> 03:24:56.799 to see, you know, and anything happened, you know like that. 4075 03:24:57.120 --> 03:24:59.760 You know, I was with him until he said people left. 4076 03:25:00.079 --> 03:25:04.239 It got real. I don't understand then, Yeah, well does that. 4077 03:25:05.760 --> 03:25:09.399 But yeah, there's barbarians perspective on all that went down. 4078 03:25:09.440 --> 03:25:12.879 They were in the ring as well, and finally we 4079 03:25:13.000 --> 03:25:16.280 hear from at least in SoundBite format here. Finally, Kevin 4080 03:25:16.319 --> 03:25:20.159 Nash further on the KFABE commentary's interview about this, taking 4081 03:25:20.239 --> 03:25:24.479 us back to the the aforementioned March ninety six night 4082 03:25:24.760 --> 03:25:28.959 Pardon Me November ninety sixth Nitro where Hall cracked SAgs 4083 03:25:28.959 --> 03:25:29.399 with the chair. 4084 03:25:30.520 --> 03:25:32.920 It was an incident that happened earlier with Scott had 4085 03:25:33.000 --> 03:25:35.840 thrown a chair at him in another televis of that 4086 03:25:37.079 --> 03:25:43.559 and hit Jerry in the head and Jerry we were 4087 03:25:43.760 --> 03:25:49.319 like it was the next TV. Jerry looked right at 4088 03:25:49.440 --> 03:25:52.840 JJ and said, I can't work man, my next bad 4089 03:25:53.680 --> 03:25:57.200 and fucking JJ said to him, just fucking go out 4090 03:25:57.239 --> 03:26:00.280 there and work, uh like, basically forced him to whoa. 4091 03:26:01.520 --> 03:26:07.479 And I was I witnessed that. I mean I witnessed that. 4092 03:26:07.840 --> 03:26:10.360 And I when when all this shit went down and 4093 03:26:10.440 --> 03:26:14.719 they sued and everything else, I said, you stupid motherfucker. 4094 03:26:16.360 --> 03:26:20.520 I said, you put us in a lawsuit. I said, 4095 03:26:20.520 --> 03:26:23.760 if you just would have went after the company, the 4096 03:26:23.879 --> 03:26:26.200 guys that were involved in the incident, one of them 4097 03:26:26.239 --> 03:26:28.600 would have said, oh, by the way, he should have 4098 03:26:28.680 --> 03:26:32.120 never been in either of those two. Had he been 4099 03:26:32.280 --> 03:26:35.559 pulled at that point with the neckidge, you can recount 4100 03:26:35.600 --> 03:26:38.600 what you heard, yes, and I would have it would 4101 03:26:38.639 --> 03:26:43.280 have deposed me. I mean, it's a never fucked the boys, 4102 03:26:43.760 --> 03:26:45.600 you know, sue the boys. You don't fuck the boys. 4103 03:26:46.000 --> 03:26:49.159 It's the boys versus the promoter. That's the way it's 4104 03:26:49.159 --> 03:26:53.040 always been. They broke the golden rule. I think fucking 4105 03:26:53.120 --> 03:26:56.079 SAgs gotta fuck it, didn't work for fucking three years 4106 03:26:56.120 --> 03:27:01.200 and got a twelve dollars settlement. You know, so nice, 4107 03:27:01.360 --> 03:27:04.440 nicely fucking played match. 4108 03:27:05.559 --> 03:27:09.879 Nice nicely fucking played so point there is that part 4109 03:27:09.879 --> 03:27:11.399 of the reason there was such a blow up about 4110 03:27:11.399 --> 03:27:13.479 Hall hitting SAgs in the neck was not because it 4111 03:27:13.559 --> 03:27:17.319 was an honest mistake, but because it was known beforehand 4112 03:27:17.479 --> 03:27:19.879 that SAgs was having real tenderness in the neck and 4113 03:27:20.200 --> 03:27:21.760 was telling people that he didn't even think he could 4114 03:27:21.799 --> 03:27:24.159 go out and work with the neck problem. He was having, 4115 03:27:24.559 --> 03:27:27.760 let alone take a blindside chair shot to the neck. 4116 03:27:28.319 --> 03:27:30.360 And so you know, it gets all legal about like, well, 4117 03:27:30.360 --> 03:27:32.000 if Dylan told him he had to go out there, 4118 03:27:32.040 --> 03:27:32.719 whose fault is it? 4119 03:27:32.840 --> 03:27:33.120 Really? 4120 03:27:33.280 --> 03:27:36.200 You know, there's all that wrapped up in it. Sas 4121 03:27:36.239 --> 03:27:37.639 has never talked as far as I can tell on 4122 03:27:37.760 --> 03:27:39.959 camera about this, but there is an interview that he 4123 03:27:40.040 --> 03:27:42.440 did with a website called wrestlshark dot com that used 4124 03:27:42.479 --> 03:27:44.680 to exist where he talks just a little bit about it, 4125 03:27:44.760 --> 03:27:46.920 and he says Scott was different when he came down 4126 03:27:46.959 --> 03:27:49.280 to WCW. I don't know if it was chemically altered. 4127 03:27:49.319 --> 03:27:51.280 Everyone changes when they come out of that pressure cooker 4128 03:27:51.319 --> 03:27:54.319 in WWF. It's stressful. Some of the guys turned into backstabbers. 4129 03:27:54.399 --> 03:27:56.319 Some guys deal with the pressure in different ways. We 4130 03:27:56.399 --> 03:27:58.280 were doing a thing at a house show. I felt 4131 03:27:58.319 --> 03:28:00.000 this blow to the back of my skull that way 4132 03:28:00.120 --> 03:28:00.600 in the house show. 4133 03:28:00.719 --> 03:28:01.399 That was the nitro. 4134 03:28:01.680 --> 03:28:03.159 I felt this blow to the back of my skull 4135 03:28:03.239 --> 03:28:05.760 and knocked me out at a concussion the whole nine yards. 4136 03:28:06.040 --> 03:28:07.639 I was mad about it, almost the kind of thing. 4137 03:28:07.680 --> 03:28:09.200 I was going to fight him then, but I let 4138 03:28:09.280 --> 03:28:11.319 it go. JJ called me and said, we just need 4139 03:28:11.399 --> 03:28:12.879 you to make the rest of these bookings. You're on 4140 03:28:12.920 --> 03:28:15.520 the marquee. So we get into the match. I tried 4141 03:28:15.559 --> 03:28:17.239 to stay out as much as I could. It got 4142 03:28:17.280 --> 03:28:19.719 all screwed up because six Pack was supposed to run 4143 03:28:19.760 --> 03:28:22.120 down and do something, but he never showed up suddenly. 4144 03:28:22.200 --> 03:28:23.959 I didn't know what hit me and went down. I'm 4145 03:28:23.959 --> 03:28:25.680 seeing stars. I felt like there was a cut on 4146 03:28:25.719 --> 03:28:27.399 the back of my neck, but I'm feeling back there 4147 03:28:27.440 --> 03:28:29.399 and there's no cut. I look around and I didn't 4148 03:28:29.440 --> 03:28:31.399 know who hit me from behind. I see Scott with 4149 03:28:31.479 --> 03:28:33.319 a chair and he throws it in my face. 4150 03:28:33.440 --> 03:28:34.120 I go, that's it. 4151 03:28:34.600 --> 03:28:36.200 So that's kind of like what they leave out on 4152 03:28:36.239 --> 03:28:39.120 the whole, you know. There was another provocation in the 4153 03:28:39.159 --> 03:28:41.920 body of this match. The match where SAgs attacked Hall, 4154 03:28:42.319 --> 03:28:44.559 there was another moment where SAgs thought, the son of 4155 03:28:44.600 --> 03:28:47.760 a bitch hit me again in the back of the head. Jesus, 4156 03:28:47.920 --> 03:28:49.479 I walked in the ring and just started hitting him 4157 03:28:49.479 --> 03:28:51.440 with punches, knocked him out. It just happened like that. 4158 03:28:51.600 --> 03:28:53.360 I didn't want to fight him, It just happened. Something 4159 03:28:53.479 --> 03:28:55.159 was building up there from the first time he hit me. 4160 03:28:55.440 --> 03:28:57.879 Then it happened again. I heard this noise from the shower. 4161 03:28:58.040 --> 03:28:59.959 Kevin Nash comes in the locker room with a back 4162 03:29:00.079 --> 03:29:01.799 and he was saying, we'll see who has the stroke 4163 03:29:01.879 --> 03:29:04.239 in this company. That was pretty much him telling us 4164 03:29:04.280 --> 03:29:06.680 we were getting fired. At the time, they were practically booking, 4165 03:29:06.719 --> 03:29:08.600 and I've just knocked the booker's teeth down his throat. 4166 03:29:08.840 --> 03:29:09.479 When we watch the. 4167 03:29:09.479 --> 03:29:11.719 Tape back, we see, oh my god, it wasn't Scott 4168 03:29:11.799 --> 03:29:14.159 with the chair, it was Kevin Nash with the tag belt. 4169 03:29:15.239 --> 03:29:17.440 So that thing, according to SAgs, that set him off 4170 03:29:17.479 --> 03:29:19.399 to attack Scott halland knock his teeth out of his 4171 03:29:19.479 --> 03:29:22.719 face was not another blind side cheer shot from Scott Hall, 4172 03:29:22.799 --> 03:29:25.639 but in fact a belt shot from Kevin Nash. Thus 4173 03:29:25.680 --> 03:29:27.360 why there was probably a bit of confusion when he 4174 03:29:27.399 --> 03:29:34.040 absolutely went completely crazy there. So that's that's that. Hall 4175 03:29:34.120 --> 03:29:36.719 has also said, you know, I think we heard it. 4176 03:29:36.760 --> 03:29:38.959 When I swing a chair, I swing it. Don't ask 4177 03:29:39.000 --> 03:29:40.440 me to hit you with something because I'm gonna hit 4178 03:29:40.440 --> 03:29:42.239 you with it. I'd rather not do it, but if 4179 03:29:42.239 --> 03:29:44.760 I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it, and I'll 4180 03:29:44.840 --> 03:29:48.840 take it the same way. So that whenever I see 4181 03:29:49.879 --> 03:29:52.000 the outsiders mix it up with the nasty boys, I 4182 03:29:52.040 --> 03:29:55.399 cannot help but think about this story in this history. 4183 03:29:56.399 --> 03:29:59.920 Yeah, I mean, that's that's the truth. I mean, Jesus Christ, 4184 03:30:00.120 --> 03:30:00.639 and you know, like. 4185 03:30:00.680 --> 03:30:03.319 He says, they are Jerry Saggs, Hall and Nash were 4186 03:30:03.319 --> 03:30:06.639 already making a reputation for themselves in WCW in the 4187 03:30:06.680 --> 03:30:09.120 locker room as people that would throw their weight around, 4188 03:30:09.280 --> 03:30:13.360 throw their salaries around, and throw their influence around. Here's 4189 03:30:13.399 --> 03:30:16.559 another snapshot of that from the same time period. WCW 4190 03:30:16.680 --> 03:30:19.120 did a show in tupeloam Misissippi on October thirteenth, nineteen 4191 03:30:19.200 --> 03:30:21.399 ninety six, and in the main event, National Hall beat 4192 03:30:21.600 --> 03:30:24.920 Harlem Heat via dq Dave Penzer, in his recently released 4193 03:30:24.920 --> 03:30:27.600 book with Guy Evans, Friend of the Show, talks about 4194 03:30:28.120 --> 03:30:31.040 this night, and I think it says a lot about 4195 03:30:31.360 --> 03:30:33.760 the outsiders at this particular point in time and kind 4196 03:30:33.760 --> 03:30:37.120 of how they were conducting themselves in WCW. I remember 4197 03:30:37.159 --> 03:30:39.600 one meeting that happened after house show in Tupelo, Mississippi. 4198 03:30:39.639 --> 03:30:41.840 Penzer writes a little backstory. First, I was in charge 4199 03:30:41.879 --> 03:30:43.680 of overseeing the music for the show, and as we 4200 03:30:43.760 --> 03:30:46.920 previously established, it was all triggered via cassette tapes. A 4201 03:30:46.959 --> 03:30:48.520 lot of times the cassette machine was up in the 4202 03:30:48.559 --> 03:30:50.479 sound booth near where the suites were located, and as 4203 03:30:50.520 --> 03:30:53.399 a result I didn't always have full control over it. Nonetheless, 4204 03:30:53.559 --> 03:30:56.879 we typically had individual tapes queued up with individual entrance themes, 4205 03:30:57.000 --> 03:30:59.120 so sting song would be on one tape, while another 4206 03:30:59.159 --> 03:31:00.360 would have Randy Sabas just theme. 4207 03:31:00.440 --> 03:31:01.000 You get the idea. 4208 03:31:01.159 --> 03:31:03.600 As long as the tapes were round correctly, the sound 4209 03:31:03.680 --> 03:31:05.440 guy just had to press play and the song went 4210 03:31:05.479 --> 03:31:07.840 off without a hitch. Well, on this night, Kevin National 4211 03:31:07.840 --> 03:31:09.639 Scott Hall wanted to come out to the Fuji song 4212 03:31:09.760 --> 03:31:12.840 Ready or Not. Okay, they would come out to Ready 4213 03:31:12.920 --> 03:31:14.239 or Not on house shows. I don't know if you 4214 03:31:14.280 --> 03:31:15.920 know this as opposed to the nWo theme. 4215 03:31:16.000 --> 03:31:17.399 No, I did not know. 4216 03:31:17.639 --> 03:31:21.239 Later, when Hall made one memorable appearance in ECW, this 4217 03:31:21.440 --> 03:31:23.280 is like a viral clip. He came out to Ready 4218 03:31:23.360 --> 03:31:23.520 or Not. 4219 03:31:23.639 --> 03:31:23.959 As well. 4220 03:31:24.639 --> 03:31:26.840 As WCW didn't have an official license to use the 4221 03:31:26.920 --> 03:31:28.719 music Penzer rights, we didn't have a tape with that 4222 03:31:28.840 --> 03:31:31.520 specific song prepared. Instead, we had to purchase the actual 4223 03:31:31.559 --> 03:31:33.639 retail album that Ready or Not was featured on the 4224 03:31:33.719 --> 03:31:36.200 score and have the tape queued up in the right position. 4225 03:31:36.239 --> 03:31:38.120 Imagine setting someone to the music store at the mall 4226 03:31:38.159 --> 03:31:41.600 in Mississippi so they could have their song. That's just 4227 03:31:42.120 --> 03:31:43.879 It was the third song on saide A. I'll never 4228 03:31:43.959 --> 03:31:46.000 forget it. Unfortunately, while I was in the ring to 4229 03:31:46.040 --> 03:31:48.040 introduce Kevin in Scott's match, the sound guy put the 4230 03:31:48.079 --> 03:31:49.920 tape in the wrong way. If you know anything about 4231 03:31:49.959 --> 03:31:52.239 cassette tapes, that obviously meant that we were now playing 4232 03:31:52.280 --> 03:31:54.920 side B the wrong side. Once you start doing that, 4233 03:31:55.040 --> 03:31:56.879 it's not so easy to get your Q point back, 4234 03:31:57.000 --> 03:31:59.559 especially in a live environment, and the sound guy had 4235 03:31:59.639 --> 03:32:02.200 no idea year where the song was located. Meanwhile, Kevin 4236 03:32:02.239 --> 03:32:05.600 and Scott were still backstage, refusing to come out until the. 4237 03:32:05.680 --> 03:32:09.840 Error was resolved. Refusing boss, refusing to come out until 4238 03:32:10.520 --> 03:32:12.840 this song. That doesn't make sense. I don't see the problem. 4239 03:32:12.920 --> 03:32:15.399 In turn, that led to five of the most uncomfortable 4240 03:32:15.399 --> 03:32:17.120 minutes of my life as I tried in vain to 4241 03:32:17.200 --> 03:32:19.600 stall in the ring for time while simultaneously getting on 4242 03:32:19.639 --> 03:32:21.600 a headset and attempting to fix it. At some point, 4243 03:32:21.639 --> 03:32:23.920 I guess Sting finally turned to those guys and said, dude, 4244 03:32:24.040 --> 03:32:25.600 just go out there. How long are we going to wait? 4245 03:32:25.680 --> 03:32:26.440 We need our music. 4246 03:32:26.520 --> 03:32:29.559 Kevin and Scott shot back, Wait a minute, how long 4247 03:32:29.600 --> 03:32:31.479 are we going to wait? We need our music? 4248 03:32:31.639 --> 03:32:34.239 Kevin and Scott shot back, you know what, Sting respond 4249 03:32:34.719 --> 03:32:40.440 Sting responded, it's only two below. This is the yeah 4250 03:32:40.520 --> 03:32:42.920 that would go on to be a thing, a phrase 4251 03:32:42.959 --> 03:32:46.600 as Penzer explains in WCW to typify at the times. 4252 03:32:47.000 --> 03:32:49.079 This is the reason, he writes, by WCW is where 4253 03:32:49.120 --> 03:32:51.200 it's been, has been, where it's been, they said, you 4254 03:32:51.280 --> 03:32:53.959 don't value a town like Tublo, Mississippi. For the next 4255 03:32:54.040 --> 03:32:56.559 Nitron Monday, Era called a meeting with all the boys. 4256 03:32:56.600 --> 03:32:58.120 I want you to know, he began, that I brought 4257 03:32:58.159 --> 03:32:59.879 Kevin and Scott in for more than just their talent. 4258 03:33:00.159 --> 03:33:02.840 We've not had a history of being successful in this company, 4259 03:33:02.879 --> 03:33:04.600 and for the most part, if we drew a thousand 4260 03:33:04.680 --> 03:33:06.799 fans that was considered a good house, that can't be 4261 03:33:06.959 --> 03:33:09.879 he continued. These guys have sold out Madison Square Garden 4262 03:33:10.200 --> 03:33:12.000 and they come from a machine that knows how to 4263 03:33:12.040 --> 03:33:14.159 do it right. I don't have all the answers, he said, 4264 03:33:14.200 --> 03:33:15.959 but we've got to take from their knowledge to grow 4265 03:33:16.000 --> 03:33:18.239 as a company. That's all they're doing, Boss, They're just 4266 03:33:18.319 --> 03:33:21.239 in parting home works in New York. That's all these 4267 03:33:21.280 --> 03:33:23.639 guys are doing. They're not trying to stir shit up. 4268 03:33:23.879 --> 03:33:25.840 They're not trying to be prima donnat. So everyone was 4269 03:33:25.959 --> 03:33:28.639 just you know, everyone's just making a big y. Know 4270 03:33:28.680 --> 03:33:31.479 how it works in New York as evidenced by the 4271 03:33:31.639 --> 03:33:36.680 remarkable returns in nineteen ninety five when Kevin was on top. Yes, 4272 03:33:37.079 --> 03:33:39.520 I don't have all the answers, he said, but we've 4273 03:33:39.559 --> 03:33:41.760 just got to take from their knowledge as a company, 4274 03:33:41.799 --> 03:33:43.559 and Bishoff is get in liney. We got to be 4275 03:33:43.639 --> 03:33:46.799 like WWF. You know, mister, I'm taking it to vince 4276 03:33:47.520 --> 03:33:49.479 what we did in the past didn't work. In essence, 4277 03:33:49.479 --> 03:33:51.600 what Eric told us had some validity. Kevin and Scott 4278 03:33:51.639 --> 03:33:53.719 really did a lot add a lot to our company. 4279 03:33:53.799 --> 03:33:55.479 They helped us in areas people wouldn't even think of, 4280 03:33:55.559 --> 03:33:58.159 such as public relations or helping Zane Breslov with first 4281 03:33:58.200 --> 03:34:00.360 day ticket sales. They provided a lot of assistance and 4282 03:34:00.440 --> 03:34:02.040 in that sense Eric was right. But then, of course, 4283 03:34:02.079 --> 03:34:04.000 with Eric being Eric, he had to add a parting shot. 4284 03:34:04.360 --> 03:34:05.840 And by the way, he said, if I ever hear 4285 03:34:05.920 --> 03:34:08.920 it's only two below again, I'll fire that person on 4286 03:34:09.040 --> 03:34:12.399 the spot. He's usually a very laid back guy. You 4287 03:34:12.440 --> 03:34:14.600 could see the steam coming out of Sting's ears. I 4288 03:34:14.639 --> 03:34:16.280 don't even think he meant the initial comment in the 4289 03:34:16.280 --> 03:34:18.280 way it was received. He's basically saying, what are we 4290 03:34:18.360 --> 03:34:19.920 going to sit here all day while they flip a 4291 03:34:19.959 --> 03:34:22.399 casseet tape? Back and forth at some point, as they say, 4292 03:34:22.440 --> 03:34:24.559 the show must go on. But when Eric made that statement, 4293 03:34:24.600 --> 03:34:26.799 I'll fire that person on the spot. Sting got hot. 4294 03:34:27.079 --> 03:34:29.040 He left the room, and I can only assume that 4295 03:34:29.120 --> 03:34:31.600 there was a conversation or two thereafter. More than anything, 4296 03:34:31.680 --> 03:34:33.520 the incident underscored the fact that it was a new 4297 03:34:33.639 --> 03:34:36.440 day in WCW. The mainstays of the company like Staing, 4298 03:34:36.559 --> 03:34:38.799 lex or Rick, Flair and the Four Horsemen had been 4299 03:34:39.520 --> 03:34:41.440 used to doing business in a certain way, but now 4300 03:34:41.520 --> 03:34:44.799 Kevin and Scott had returned from up north saying yeah, 4301 03:34:44.920 --> 03:34:47.479 there's some things that could be improved down here. At 4302 03:34:47.520 --> 03:34:50.280 the time, I think some feelings were definitely hurt, and 4303 03:34:50.319 --> 03:34:52.319 the incident may have started some of the tension between 4304 03:34:52.360 --> 03:34:55.200 the various factions backstage. Adding fuel to the fire was 4305 03:34:55.239 --> 03:34:57.399 the fact that the nWo were getting cheered as if 4306 03:34:57.399 --> 03:34:59.760 they were babyfaces. In the meantime, though, it only served 4307 03:34:59.799 --> 03:35:02.520 as for a popular joke at the bar. Hey, someone 4308 03:35:02.559 --> 03:35:04.680 would say, if a guy was looking down, it's only 4309 03:35:04.719 --> 03:35:11.280 two below. That's only two below. Indeed, it is only 4310 03:35:11.360 --> 03:35:14.840 two tenser. So that is the table being set for 4311 03:35:15.040 --> 03:35:18.680 a World War three. For the ages, it's the nineteen 4312 03:35:18.760 --> 03:35:19.840 ninety six installment. 4313 03:35:20.319 --> 03:35:22.120 That's for sure. To deep dive this thing. Now, I 4314 03:35:22.159 --> 03:35:25.559 don't know what a death toll would look like. You 4315 03:35:25.680 --> 03:35:27.639 had a lot of names to go through. My friends 4316 03:35:29.200 --> 03:35:32.239 there there are. It's not it's not awful. I mean 4317 03:35:32.280 --> 03:35:36.719 it's bad, but it's not awful. Nineteen that's nothing out 4318 03:35:36.719 --> 03:35:41.280 of sixty participants, I know, out of sixty's nineteen and 4319 03:35:41.719 --> 03:35:44.639 you know, including everybody who's not even in the match. 4320 03:35:44.799 --> 03:35:48.280 So there's very Todnight. 4321 03:35:48.399 --> 03:35:48.600 Yeah. 4322 03:35:49.079 --> 03:35:56.559 Randy Anderson, Mark Curtis, Bobby Heenan, Dusty Rhodes, Lee Marshall, 4323 03:35:57.040 --> 03:36:04.520 gene Oakerland, Sister Sherry, Scott Hall, Ben Wah, Bubba, Bobby Eaton, 4324 03:36:05.319 --> 03:36:11.440 Jimmy Graffiti, Oh my God, Johnny, Johnny Grunge, Eddie Guerrero, 4325 03:36:11.879 --> 03:36:16.840 Ice Train, the Rene God, Tony Rumble, Mark Starr, and 4326 03:36:17.319 --> 03:36:24.040 Pez that's nothing. Yeah. W CW. You know the surprising thing. 4327 03:36:24.680 --> 03:36:30.239 W CW never really has a crazy ass. Yeah. I've 4328 03:36:30.239 --> 03:36:31.319 always been surprised about the. 4329 03:36:31.319 --> 03:36:33.399 No adults died In two thousand and one was Jerry 4330 03:36:33.440 --> 03:36:40.280 Sagg's lawsuit against World Championship Wrestling Scott Hall BACKUS, so 4331 03:36:40.399 --> 03:36:44.440 he sued them all. The lawsuit was filed in November 4332 03:36:44.479 --> 03:36:47.399 of nineteen ninety seven, so a year after this, and 4333 03:36:47.840 --> 03:36:50.040 you know what, eight months after the January ninety seven 4334 03:36:50.079 --> 03:36:53.719 house show incident. And it was in the courts from 4335 03:36:53.799 --> 03:36:57.639 nineteen ninety seven till two thousand and one, till two 4336 03:36:57.680 --> 03:37:00.600 thousand and one, at which point it was, uh, it 4337 03:37:00.760 --> 03:37:04.799 was dismissed. Nash made the comment that he got a 4338 03:37:04.840 --> 03:37:06.040 two dollars settlement or whatever. 4339 03:37:06.120 --> 03:37:06.520 I don't know. 4340 03:37:06.920 --> 03:37:09.120 It's clear that it's dismissed as of August of two 4341 03:37:09.120 --> 03:37:11.280 thousand and one, and the case file has been destroyed, 4342 03:37:11.440 --> 03:37:13.719 so we don't have any more detail than that as 4343 03:37:13.760 --> 03:37:16.600 to how it played out down there in Florida. But yeah, 4344 03:37:16.760 --> 03:37:19.520 I mean, this thing, this thing would not die. They 4345 03:37:19.559 --> 03:37:24.159 took depositions from Harley Race, Dory Funk, the position of 4346 03:37:24.280 --> 03:37:29.639 Eric Bischoff, the company was deposed, Nash and Hall were deposed. 4347 03:37:29.719 --> 03:37:31.200 Let's see who else. I don't know, if there's a 4348 03:37:32.600 --> 03:37:37.639 way to well, I don't know. Bischoff's deposition may have 4349 03:37:37.680 --> 03:37:40.159 been canceled according to the record. I think at one 4350 03:37:40.200 --> 03:37:43.040 point he was scheduled to do it and then they didn't. 4351 03:37:43.040 --> 03:37:46.840 Steve Kern was deposed. Yeah, Dorry Funk is mentioned a 4352 03:37:46.959 --> 03:37:52.000 doctor who apparently was the doctor who examined, examined, Jerry Saggs. 4353 03:37:54.120 --> 03:37:56.639 Just man, well, those must be some depositions, man. 4354 03:38:00.319 --> 03:38:00.840 Of a lifetime. 4355 03:38:00.879 --> 03:38:02.600 I don't know what the fuck Dory Funk and Harley 4356 03:38:02.639 --> 03:38:05.040 Race would get deposed for, but there it is in 4357 03:38:05.120 --> 03:38:09.440 black and white. So yeah, that's the legacy of the 4358 03:38:09.520 --> 03:38:12.159 SAgs haul Heat. And with that now behind us and 4359 03:38:12.200 --> 03:38:14.479 the death toll rendered, we will take a break and 4360 03:38:14.520 --> 03:38:16.879 come back. And when we do, it's the deep dive 4361 03:38:17.239 --> 03:38:22.479 into your WWE Peacock archive. WCW World War three nineteen 4362 03:38:22.559 --> 03:38:25.159 ninety six is on the docket, boss, and we're gonna 4363 03:38:25.159 --> 03:38:26.319 fill these three rings up. 4364 03:38:27.559 --> 03:38:28.399 Let's fucking do it.