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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone, It's me and Courtney. Courtney gonna say hello, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we wanted to have a chat, have a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with some really cool co host of their own show,

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<v Speaker 1>Elephant in the room, and without further ado, we would

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<v Speaker 1>like to talk to them. Please bring them to the

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<v Speaker 1>stagey DJ's hanging in the background. Today is a little busy,

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<v Speaker 1>so and Courtney's on the road. So it's an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>day today. But so can you guys tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about your show?

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<v Speaker 2>Harry, I, why didn't you start?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, I knew you were going to do that. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 3>of course.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was kind of in the UFO Twitter space

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<v Speaker 4>for a while, and Chris was too, and I had

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<v Speaker 4>kind of dabbled off and on with my own sort

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<v Speaker 4>of YouTube channel. I'd done a little bit of blogging

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<v Speaker 4>here and there just about the topic, and from there

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<v Speaker 4>I was just sort of feeling stuck and I wasn't sure,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, what I was going to do next and

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<v Speaker 4>where my journey was going to take me. And then

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<v Speaker 4>out of the blue one day Chris dms me and

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<v Speaker 4>says basically just said, hey, I have a crazy idea.

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<v Speaker 4>How about you and I start a podcast? And I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, you know what, Yes, let's do it. And

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<v Speaker 4>so we I mean, we did not know each other

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<v Speaker 4>at that point, and we hopped on Zoom like a

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<v Speaker 4>week later just to kind of meet and greet and

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<v Speaker 4>get to know each other, and we instantly knew We're like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is the vibe. We we just had so much

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<v Speaker 4>in common, there were synchronicities, and yeah, from there we

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of jumped in and we talk about UFOs.

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<v Speaker 4>We talk about all other connecting aspects, you know, consciousness,

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<v Speaker 4>high strangeness, science, spirituality, you name it. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 4>just so many, so many topics that are connected to

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<v Speaker 4>the UFO phenomenon. So we just kind of like to

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<v Speaker 4>cover it all. Although I will say that we do

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<v Speaker 4>very much gravitate to it's the actual UFO phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Chris, you want to add anything to that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, that's exactly what happened. I just kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I got back from actually dead from

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<v Speaker 2>DC and it was shortly after that I just felt

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<v Speaker 2>really like, Okay, I want to do something. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what I want to do, to be honest, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt like, Okay, this is something I can do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't want to do it alone, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just I looked out and I had been, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously on Twitter for a long time, and I really

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<v Speaker 2>felt a camaraderie with Ariel just through Twitter, and you know, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of a risk taker. So I reached out

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<v Speaker 2>and we made the connection and and you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>just haven't looked back. Neither of us are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to like change the world or anything with our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We're really we want to number one, learn from from

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<v Speaker 2>our guests, and it's kind of more of an exploration

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<v Speaker 2>for ourselves, to be honest, and obviously we want to

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<v Speaker 2>share that with the world because when I see the world,

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<v Speaker 2>whoever in our little world wants to listen. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of where we're at with the podcast. That's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what generated it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I just want to point out to those

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<v Speaker 1>who do not know, Chris was at the hearing and

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<v Speaker 1>I was there and I got to meet Chris and

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<v Speaker 1>she has extremely positive energy. She's also done an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with me before for uap MED, so she's doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more than the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Feed on the ground. They're at the hearing meeting people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, putting her information out to like get this

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<v Speaker 1>progress that we were all hoping to have with this topic. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know Courtney, Courtney's able to chime in or not. Courtney,

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<v Speaker 1>is there something you wanted to ask?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I swear Courtney's there, She'll be back, okay. So okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So the next thing I wanted to ask you guys

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<v Speaker 1>about the show is in this exploration that you're doing together,

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<v Speaker 1>what is sort of like standing out for you is

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<v Speaker 1>something that people should be focusing on more like in

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<v Speaker 1>this topic, Like you mentioned consciousness, that one's sort of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, controversial for people. But what is like really

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<v Speaker 1>like this this is something we really need to dig

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<v Speaker 1>into more.

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<v Speaker 4>I the first thing that comes to mind for me is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I have not dug too far into the

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<v Speaker 4>work of Jacques Vallet, but I'm just you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>aware of what his you know, the brief overview at it,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know his his idea is that we need

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<v Speaker 4>to look and we need to try to find a

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<v Speaker 4>way to account for all of the aspects of the

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<v Speaker 4>UFO phenomenon that we sometimes brush aside, you know, even

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<v Speaker 4>things like you know, missing time, you know, things like that,

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<v Speaker 4>or just orbs or you know, entities and just strange

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<v Speaker 4>high strangeness that often accompanies a quote unquote nuts and

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<v Speaker 4>bolts sighting.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to find a way to account for that.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I know he's a proponent of the

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<v Speaker 4>interdimensional theory and he thinks that maybe that is something

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<v Speaker 4>that can account for, you know, grouping everything together. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's something that some people tend to shy

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<v Speaker 4>away from, is they want to just focus on the

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<v Speaker 4>nuts and bolts. But once you really get into this topic,

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<v Speaker 4>you realize that there's just so much more to it

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<v Speaker 4>and we can't just keep brushing that high strangeness stuff aside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, I think that's I remember when when

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<v Speaker 2>I first got on UFO Twitter, it was like in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one and spaces were just starting and we

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<v Speaker 2>jump onto spaces and I remember we would call it

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<v Speaker 2>the WU. Back then, you know, it was like no

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<v Speaker 2>one wanted to talk about the WU, but a few

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<v Speaker 2>of us wanted to like go there because there were

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<v Speaker 2>their experiences included high strangeness. But now I do see it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more common as a topic that people are willing

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<v Speaker 2>to engage. But I think from a like a scientific perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be very difficult for that shift to

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<v Speaker 2>happen because of the scientific method, and it's very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to repeat right these types of events. But I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much hope I think. And I just saw

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<v Speaker 2>that episode last night of Ross Coltheart. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you guys saw it, and I apologize because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the man's name, but he had one of

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<v Speaker 2>the scientists from Skinwalker Ranch, like the early the bass

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<v Speaker 2>ASA program, Skinwalker Ranch, guy on and he talked about

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<v Speaker 2>a study and court you may be familiar with this

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<v Speaker 2>of like six hundred patients where they've got correlation data

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<v Speaker 2>from like three data points with personal devices. These these

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<v Speaker 2>individuals where and record not only like biological like body response,

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<v Speaker 2>but environmental response, and then they also have anecdotal experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>So three out of thousands of patients, they didn't they

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<v Speaker 2>only picked the ones that had these three data points,

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<v Speaker 2>which they had several that had like two data points,

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<v Speaker 2>which was still a strong, you know, correlation, but they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't accept that. So I'm just starting to see that

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<v Speaker 2>there's just there is more data out there. Than we

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<v Speaker 2>were aware of than has been made public, and those

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<v Speaker 2>types of studies are taking into account the anecdotal data

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<v Speaker 2>that identifies the high strangeness, you know, the experience. Or

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<v Speaker 2>they did a great case study there where they showed

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this experience are waking up and saying, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, like if I was ever abducted, it was

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<v Speaker 2>last night, and they were able to correlate it with

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<v Speaker 2>the other two data points to like the second it's

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<v Speaker 2>just amazing, what's happening, what's starting to happen? I think anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that was.

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<v Speaker 5>Jim Sigala study, Chris, I think that you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 5>and they did they did like a multiple prong approach

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<v Speaker 5>where they gave the experiencers and correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>But I read through all the slides and everything, and

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<v Speaker 5>I've been following the data that's come out from that.

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<v Speaker 5>But what I thought was really novel in that research

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<v Speaker 5>is they gave them like a personal a personal device

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<v Speaker 5>to take with them to work and also in their home.

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the things that they found was there

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<v Speaker 5>was twenty two times the gamma ray signature out of

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<v Speaker 5>their sensor data with the experiencers. So I thought that

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<v Speaker 5>that was really interesting. I didn't get to watch the

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<v Speaker 5>recent video, but I really like their the way they're

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<v Speaker 5>the way they're collecting their data, and how they're doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>He did a really interesting study, so I'm waiting to

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<v Speaker 5>hear more about it. I've asked a couple people who

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<v Speaker 5>we've had on CAV about that data, and they've all

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<v Speaker 5>just said, asked Jim. So I need to go to

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<v Speaker 5>Jim and ask how he did the Gamma ray collection,

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<v Speaker 5>because that, to me is the most interesting part so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it sounds like we can purchase this device

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<v Speaker 2>from him, so, I mean, I have no idea how

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<v Speaker 2>much it is, but I was definitely tempted to look

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<v Speaker 2>it up because you know, like Jared on UFO Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>and he's doing a project that that incorporates different like

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<v Speaker 2>EEG data, He's trying to study the same thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like, well, there's already somebody out there doing

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<v Speaker 2>some of this. This is really interesting, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, I don't know. I just found that that recent.

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<v Speaker 5>Who is that individual?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you say his name again? I'm sure I'm aware

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<v Speaker 1>of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Dr BO D D A y A R B O.

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<v Speaker 2>I think on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've actually interviewed him as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he works Joel from the Future Future folk

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<v Speaker 2>your folklore, I got your girl, thank you. There goes

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<v Speaker 2>my name thing my my brain. But yeah, anyways, he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing some early investigations in that manner. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just really interesting where it's going. So I agree, Areel,

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<v Speaker 2>that is something that needs to be addressed and from

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<v Speaker 2>a multi you know, multi dimensional uh way, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to approach the topic because there's just too many, too

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<v Speaker 2>many fingers, you know, too many areas and impacts and

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<v Speaker 2>uh we can't ignore the anecdotal and the like you said, the.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, my favorite part about this so is like

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<v Speaker 1>people try to say there's one fight or the other,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is possible to merge them with things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, the device, there's one called the Muse.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not sponsoring me, but it's on Amazon. I seen

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<v Speaker 1>mixed reviews about it, but supposedly it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just read your own brain waves at home,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was fascinated by it. And when they did

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<v Speaker 1>use something similar at Skinwalker ranch On. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>his name either, I have probably yes, thank you I'm surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember it only because I recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Watched it talked about the theta brain wave state, and

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<v Speaker 1>the theta brain wave sate is fascinating because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>one where people will have like these epiphanies of great ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also the one that's when people are meditating their

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<v Speaker 1>each sure having deep prayer. So I feel like if

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<v Speaker 1>we meditate or have deep prayer, we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>like these deep revelations if we access that data brain

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<v Speaker 1>wave state. So it is interesting how often, like when

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<v Speaker 1>we put science to the woo, there's actually something underneath

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<v Speaker 1>it that can be helpful to everyone. So I agree

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Very much.

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<v Speaker 1>So, So I wanted to ask, now that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have been underway with this exploration and you've identified some

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that really need to be looked at,

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<v Speaker 1>what still strikes you it's just like really weird, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what is just like too weird for you at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>or or like something that makes you go what oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Because sometimes we hit something that even I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go down that rabbit hole. But what is

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<v Speaker 1>it that you guys are dealing with.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, Ariel, do you have anything yet,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean, to me, there's a few things.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>For me, time traveling humans gets me every time, Like

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<v Speaker 4>when that theory is brought up.

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<v Speaker 3>My brain, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I feel like that would just fundamentally because yes,

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<v Speaker 4>visitors from another planet. Absolutely, that would fundamentally change everything too.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying that wouldn't you know, be just crazy,

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<v Speaker 4>but being able to travel time, I mean that would

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<v Speaker 4>just that would change everything, and that would really just

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it would just I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>That just for me is something that is kind of

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<v Speaker 4>blows my mind to think about when that theory gets

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good one. Yeah, for me, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think the thing I personally struggle with the most

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, we we understand, no big Well.

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<v Speaker 3>What about you guys, what's your strength? What's like, what's yours?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>The non corporal thing. There's the theory that NYHI has

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<v Speaker 1>gotten to the point where they don't need bodies. Oh. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that one freaks me out because actually Courtney knows him

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Scott talked about these entities entering craft to navigate them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that freaked me out because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>That's like, yeah, deep, like who thought of that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it doesn't seem like it wasn't implied that it

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<v Speaker 1>was enslavement or anything like that, but that idea freaks

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<v Speaker 1>me out. That's one that like, if I go into

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<v Speaker 1>that thought too much, I'm like, no, I when I

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<v Speaker 1>pass I want to have some say and what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the entities coming through the wall for me

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<v Speaker 5>is one of the hardest and it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>falls in in that whole body of work with abductions,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I'm still one of the hardest things for

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<v Speaker 5>me to reconcile as abductions. And I know there's a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of I know, there's a lot of opinions about

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<v Speaker 5>that and even you know, in Kit Green's one famous quote,

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<v Speaker 5>he said, there are absolutely no abductions, right, And so

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<v Speaker 5>that's one of the things that really gets to me

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<v Speaker 5>because I go into my you know, dark thoughts at night,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, when I'm going to bed wondering, well, what

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<v Speaker 5>did he mean? You know, if there are no abductions,

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<v Speaker 5>And I just saw a recent comment about it, a

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<v Speaker 5>new take on it that I'm not ready to talk

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<v Speaker 5>about yet. But I just was reading something as of

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<v Speaker 5>yesterday that would kind of explain away the idea of

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<v Speaker 5>abductions not being from the visitors but being a whole

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<v Speaker 5>nother kind of like corporeal phenomenon. So once I look

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<v Speaker 5>at that and can kind of tease that apart a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit, I'll be more ready to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I just don't feel as articulate right now because I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just coming upon it. So anyway, Yeah, abductions, the beings

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<v Speaker 5>coming through the wall, having no control, that's one of

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<v Speaker 5>my biggest problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Going through the wall thing touches on my thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>the no body like they're beyond bodies, they're at the

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<v Speaker 1>next stage, which leads to something I brought up in

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<v Speaker 1>a recent episode, probably the last one. What if all

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<v Speaker 1>of us at some point are those entities and we

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<v Speaker 1>just temporarily visit being in a body and it like

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<v Speaker 1>goes into a hole like see that the rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>It leads to, Yeah, Chris, you didn't answer this yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you come up with some of them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, it's too hard for me to nail it

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<v Speaker 2>down to one thing. I mean, it's not it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting because I'm hearing what you guys are saying, and

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<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, they don't spark any like emotion in me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh my god, what's wrong with me?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it might be terrified because I've thought about it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times, Like I just as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, I totally believe that not only have I

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<v Speaker 2>encountered aspects of the phenomenon, I just there's something that

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<v Speaker 2>still blocks me from thinking I will have some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of entity experience. I don't know why, because I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that they do happen, and I you know, heard people

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<v Speaker 2>out you know that I trust that I think have

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<v Speaker 2>had these experiences. But I don't know. Maybe it's just

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<v Speaker 2>this weird curiosity in me just to try and understand

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<v Speaker 2>it more like it would be more, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>more of like I mean, I'm sure I would be terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it'd be horrified, but there's just this curiosity

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<v Speaker 2>to understand it, So I don't I think the worst

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<v Speaker 2>case scenario would obviously be if they were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a manvolent invasion of some sort would be probably because

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what I dreamed about as a child

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<v Speaker 2>before I was into this phenomenon, and I was terrified

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<v Speaker 2>of them as children as a child, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really have any other years between of really like connecting

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<v Speaker 2>the dots. So I think that would probably be my

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<v Speaker 2>biggest fear now that I think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is always interesting to me how often children report

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<v Speaker 1>seeing something in their room and people brush it aside

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<v Speaker 1>and say, oh, there's nothing there, and they go and

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<v Speaker 1>they put the flashlight under the bed. This happened to me,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, because I would I was so scared

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<v Speaker 1>about something being under my bed that I would jump

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<v Speaker 1>to my bed right so. And and I actually still

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<v Speaker 1>don't like gnomes because I told my family that there

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<v Speaker 1>were nomes under my bed. And to this day, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get why there are nomes everywhere. It's like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is going on? Why do people have gnomes and decorations like.

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<v Speaker 5>The little gnomes and people's lawns are like Deb's worst nightmare.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, go ahead, I have a couple of those, like,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is this is a different like the little

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are like squished that are at like, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all over the dollar to either all over the

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<v Speaker 1>dollar store, right, Like, why are they a thing now

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<v Speaker 1>for every holiday?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Well, I was just going to add on to

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<v Speaker 5>you to what you said, deb that one of the

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<v Speaker 5>things that really stood out to me when I read

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<v Speaker 5>one of John Max's books. I'm not exactly sure which

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<v Speaker 5>one it is right now because it's been a long

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<v Speaker 5>time ago, but he went into the children's cases and

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<v Speaker 5>one of the things that he said when he was

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<v Speaker 5>talking about his abduction syndrome was that the kids were

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<v Speaker 5>most of them, their stories were very similar. That was

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<v Speaker 5>one of the things that I liked his analysis on that.

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<v Speaker 5>And then he also said a lot of them are

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<v Speaker 5>too young to have like psychiatric disorders at that point

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<v Speaker 5>in their life, like delusional disorders or other kinds of serious,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, psychiatric problems that they just that they don't clinically.

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<v Speaker 5>So that was the other thing about max work that

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<v Speaker 5>I really liked, when you talk about the kids cases

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<v Speaker 5>and how it brought abduction syndrome into the light. So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure how many people have picked up on that,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think the kids studies that he did were

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<v Speaker 5>raw authenticity and validity into the field.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So you know, I go back to what

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<v Speaker 1>you said before about Kit Green saying they're not abductions,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you don't want to say what your

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<v Speaker 1>new information on that is and a new perspective, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's pull this out for Ariel and Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think like this is just my take on that,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's something else, like maybe it's not malevolent malevolent, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe it's like almost an agreement, a partnership or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe it's back to what I say with the

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole, like this is just us, we're connecting back

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<v Speaker 1>with ourselves and like the body is just like a

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<v Speaker 1>temporary thing. I don't know, man, the whole thing about

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<v Speaker 1>that freaks me out. But what do you guys think?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I will, I might My view is a little

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<v Speaker 2>out there, to be honest with you, but I I

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<v Speaker 2>tend to think when you say there's an agreement, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if there if there's either an agreement with someone

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<v Speaker 2>above our pay skill that you know, if that exists

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<v Speaker 2>or not about what they do with us, or I

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<v Speaker 2>think deb you're probably talking about like a personal agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that that's the case, But is there a also

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<v Speaker 2>or is there is it just that you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's simple, but we you know, we're the lab

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<v Speaker 2>rats and they just we even if they explained it

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<v Speaker 2>to us and tried to express why maybe they're doing things,

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<v Speaker 2>we would not have a concept or understanding or ability

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<v Speaker 2>to comprehend. I mean, it could be manevolent, it could

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<v Speaker 2>be for our own good. They could be studying our

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<v Speaker 2>food supply, and you know, why do they always study?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a curious thing. So and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying it's okay, but I also think like we do that.

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<v Speaker 2>We do that to our animals, We do it to

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<v Speaker 2>our pets. We put them on tables, like we test them.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't give them, we don't they don't give consent.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, these are sentient beings and we make that

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<v Speaker 2>decision for them. Is that something that could be happening

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<v Speaker 2>to us is just another question I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like afraid to give them that role of being

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<v Speaker 1>superior parentalfied entities, you know what I mean, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like that when and I'm saying it's not the case,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying it makes me really uncomfortable when people

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<v Speaker 1>someone has a better car, it doesn't make them better

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<v Speaker 1>than me. So I just it's like a self righteousness

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think, Ariel, I tend, I tend to

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<v Speaker 4>I I feel like and I understand, but I don't

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<v Speaker 4>necessarily I see levels of sentience and so we are

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<v Speaker 4>much more sentient self aware than animals, and so like,

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<v Speaker 4>like with the self awareness that we do have, that

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<v Speaker 4>they would need to, like we would need to give consent.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That's just kind of where I'm at

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<v Speaker 3>with it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, then there's the hypothesis that it's the my labs

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<v Speaker 5>that they're you know, they're overlaid, that there is possibly

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<v Speaker 5>an h eye contact or an encounter, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 5>usually after that there's you know, my lab, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I have to be real honest and trans parent and

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<v Speaker 5>say that I didn't used to believe in you know,

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<v Speaker 5>my labs because it was just too horrifying I think

421
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<v Speaker 5>for me to actually believe that our own government might

422
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 5>be abducting. But you know, once you start to look

423
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.079
<v Speaker 5>at all the studies and things that have been done

424
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.720
<v Speaker 5>and ethically, you start to figure out real quick that

425
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.960
<v Speaker 5>it's very possible and also likely. And so I think

426
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 5>that there is a you know, a compounded traumatic you know,

427
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.759
<v Speaker 5>layer there when you're talking about NHI encounters potentially and

428
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.079
<v Speaker 5>what that's all about. But then also the my labs.

429
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.440
<v Speaker 5>So I have heard for a lot from experiencers saying

430
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 5>that they believe that it's the government, that one part

431
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:44.839
<v Speaker 5>of this is the government, And so it's horrifying, right,

432
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:48.559
<v Speaker 5>it's horrifying to think that that's happening, but that it's

433
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:54.279
<v Speaker 5>all being done supposedly, even legally right for studying the

434
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:57.480
<v Speaker 5>phenomenon and studying the NHI. So I have a problem

435
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 5>with all of it actually because I think that it's

436
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 5>it's not only consent, it's like violations right, physical, mental, emotional,

437
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Speaker 5>and being violated and then being left with having no

438
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 5>answers to any questions at all. And so I think

439
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 5>that's why I have such a hard time with that

440
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 5>part of the field of study, is because it's all unethical.

441
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 5>It's all horrifying, and to be knowing that, you know,

442
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.359
<v Speaker 5>the my lab phenomena is real for me now has

443
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:29.319
<v Speaker 5>even taking me many years to process and absorb and

444
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.480
<v Speaker 5>to come to grips with it because so many people

445
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 5>have similar experiences. So I don't know how you feel

446
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 5>about that deb about you know, the my lab part

447
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 5>of it. We've never really talked about that, but I

448
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 5>imagine you probably don't.

449
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, we're going to bring that to the table.

450
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>But before we do, and a non et, by the way,

451
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>mentioned mys and the chat high and on, I just

452
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.559
<v Speaker 1>wanted to say, before we bring my labs out and

453
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>some of the things that are behind that, I wanted

454
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>to mention the con sent part that even if we

455
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.799
<v Speaker 1>were in some way giving consent to these entities, it's

456
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 1>sort of like getting consent from a drunk person. Because

457
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>we hear about them manipulating people with a sense that true,

458
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:19.039
<v Speaker 1>that such a good right, Like they get like people

459
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>this wave of euphoria, right, And I'm like, that's manipulation,

460
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Like we could we don't know, Like they're suddenly feeling

461
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 1>really happy to see this giant ship over their house.

462
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, that there's something's not right there, like

463
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.279
<v Speaker 1>they manipulate because it's not that actually hard to do,

464
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Like they do that now with a type of therapy

465
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 1>that's like a magnetic wand that they put over someone's head.

466
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And imagine having greater technology, like you can easily manipulate

467
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 1>people if you know how to do it. So it's scary.

468
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.319
<v Speaker 1>So myla, I want to go a step farther down.

469
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if you don't mind. This is something that just

470
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 5>really gets in my craw a lot. And I am

471
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.279
<v Speaker 5>going to be controversial in saying this, but we're all

472
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Speaker 5>women here, so we have a stake in this, and

473
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 5>nobody ever talks about it. But I think it's time

474
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 5>we finally start, especially as women like spearheading some of

475
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 5>this together. And I didn't think this would come up,

476
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 5>but it's a good segue and nobody has to make

477
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.279
<v Speaker 5>a comment on this. It's just something that I've been

478
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:26.880
<v Speaker 5>really upset with lately. Is I hear Danny Shean, you

479
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.680
<v Speaker 5>know on the Circuit, you know, in the podcast Circuit

480
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 5>talking about disclosure and talking about you know, are intergalactic

481
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 5>family and being part of citizens right of this larger universe.

482
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 5>And one of the things that comes up crops up periodically,

483
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 5>is that he's talking about abductions, and he talks about

484
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 5>how if women were allowed to give their material right

485
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.839
<v Speaker 5>their give their material, then a lot of these abductions

486
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 5>might not happen anymore because they're giving consent to give

487
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:02.680
<v Speaker 5>their reproductive material, and men too, And he speaks about

488
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.279
<v Speaker 5>it in a way that's like we're already there. For one,

489
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:09.720
<v Speaker 5>which gives me a real strong gut you know no,

490
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 5>And then the second is that you know we we

491
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 5>should be allowed to talk about this right, women should

492
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:18.000
<v Speaker 5>be allowed to have a vote and discuss this. I mean,

493
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.279
<v Speaker 5>we live in a democracy, for goodness sake, We're very

494
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 5>lucky for that. But when I hear those concepts come up,

495
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.960
<v Speaker 5>like if women and men just were giving their reproductive material,

496
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 5>we wouldn't be in this situation anymore. I also think

497
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 5>that needs to be discussed, especially by women. So that's

498
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.400
<v Speaker 5>one of the things that I've been discouraged by recently

499
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 5>on the podcast circuit when it comes up and there's

500
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 5>no women in the room or on the podcast talking

501
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 5>about this or addressing it, so you guys don't have

502
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:46.359
<v Speaker 5>to comment in it. But it's just something I see

503
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:50.240
<v Speaker 5>like a wave happening in the sound bites and stuff, and.

504
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>It speaking to it personally, Courtney, but I can tell you, you know,

505
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>my close friend who who's an abductee, is a may

506
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 2>But one of the things they they struggled with was

507
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 2>intimate relationships with women, especially during certain during the women's

508
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>reproductive years, because it would impact them and they would

509
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 2>have visitations and sorry, So it is something you know

510
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 2>that even is in men's conscious awareness. I'm sure experiencers

511
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>may have thought about that, and yeah, nobody's really talking

512
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>about it.

513
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:46.200
<v Speaker 1>And there's also the equation where women are introduced to

514
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>beings that are supposed to be their children. I haven't

515
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>heard a lot of cases of men being introduced to

516
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 1>those children and it doesn't go well, and it's almost

517
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.799
<v Speaker 1>treated like an experiment. And can you imagine, like I

518
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>don't have this experience, but can you imagine being introduced

519
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>to a child that you're not raising and that you're

520
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>actually afraid of and may have somewhat scary abilities but

521
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 1>still be partly human and want you to take care

522
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 1>of them, but not be able to express like it's

523
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>so complicated, right, Imagine you're introduced to that kid and

524
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>then you're like taken away.

525
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 5>I think that's the horror behind it. I think, honestly,

526
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 5>I think that's the horror behind it that I have

527
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:33.839
<v Speaker 5>the most fear inducing like response about, you know, And

528
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 5>I can be honest about that, that that's part of

529
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 5>it that I've always just been the most tenuous about

530
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 5>of all.

531
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>And Chris, you were muted, but I saw you trying

532
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 1>to chime in on that.

533
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I yeah, I can see that as being very

534
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>difficult and dark, and I I, you know, I think

535
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I can understand, I guess having a little bit of

536
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.079
<v Speaker 2>that fear because after you know my recent experiences, you know,

537
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>you start to think back over your life. And the

538
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>one thing that I know is that I used to

539
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 2>have reoccurring nightly paralysis and hear footsteps coming upstairs to

540
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>my room and then I would black out and I

541
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 2>don't remember anything else. And that was happening quite frequently,

542
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>and I was pretty young at that time. I was

543
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:37.119
<v Speaker 2>in the Navy, and but it totally left my memory.

544
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I talked about it very actively when it

545
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>was happening with my husband and my family because it

546
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 2>was scaring me, but I didn't have any connection. So

547
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.240
<v Speaker 2>now I look back, and that is something I do

548
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>think about, like what you know, was something happening that

549
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about? And I think obviously there's more

550
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.319
<v Speaker 2>fear in that unknown because my husband was leaving, he

551
00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.119
<v Speaker 2>was gone. He would go to work at one in

552
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the morning at that time, so it's like me alone

553
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>at home and hearing these whatsteps come up and then

554
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I black out. So I don't know if there's anything

555
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.679
<v Speaker 2>to it, but I just I think that maybe I

556
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.559
<v Speaker 2>do shut down on some of those thoughts.

557
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had to give a shout out to Geraldine

558
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>who did a movie about this. I think it was

559
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 1>called The Seating. I've spoken to her before, and that's

560
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 1>a prave move to come out and just put this

561
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 1>out in the open, that this is an issue that

562
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>some experiencers are talking about and it's a whole ball

563
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of wax that we're not actually bringing out into the

564
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:42.360
<v Speaker 1>community and dealing with. Like that's traumatic and on a

565
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.199
<v Speaker 1>personal level, I did try to meditate on this, and

566
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I was kind of like given the impression that these

567
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>are not children that you can nurture, like they are

568
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>as needy as a human, but they can manipulate and

569
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 1>control you and can you imagine even a human child

570
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.800
<v Speaker 1>being like that has like special telepathic abilities and can

571
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>manipulate like that's a horrific it was. You're muted again, Chris.

572
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I'm worried about the dogs. No, Yeah, that's hard

573
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 2>to imagine.

574
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:23.039
<v Speaker 4>To be honest, I guess I would ask Danny sheehan.

575
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 4>I mean, so he's he's saying that if we just

576
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 4>had the ability and freedom to give our material for them,

577
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:41.159
<v Speaker 4>they would not abduct us. But I mean to what end?

578
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, what woman is going to want to give

579
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 4>that to them? If they're creating a hybrid race that's

580
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Speaker 4>gonna like eventually take over the planet. You know, that's

581
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 4>one of the theories. So I would say, how, I mean,

582
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 4>how is that any better? I mean, I guess you're

583
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 4>not being violated and invaded at that point, but it's

584
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 4>still wouldn't be like the end product would still not

585
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 4>be okay, right is?

586
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean? I'm confused why he.

587
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 5>Comes up in context with the agreements that we're signed.

588
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 5>This is the this is the context, and how it

589
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 5>comes up, and then how how he segues into if

590
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:19.960
<v Speaker 5>we had, you know, the choice to give it, people

591
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.840
<v Speaker 5>would give it over He goes from the agreements that

592
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 5>were signed with our government potentially with another with another

593
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Speaker 5>species that you know, we're still waiting for disclosure on,

594
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 5>and then he goes from that potential executive order that

595
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 5>was signed that we're working with them, and so if

596
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.760
<v Speaker 5>we've been working with them, the abductions are being taken

597
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:47.599
<v Speaker 5>place essentially underneath that agreement that historical you know, essentially

598
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.800
<v Speaker 5>understanding or partnership between these groups, and then that's how

599
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:56.480
<v Speaker 5>abductions are made possible. So then he talks about if

600
00:36:56.480 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 5>we were to change this and disclosure happens and those

601
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.679
<v Speaker 5>agreements are made public and people understand what's been going on,

602
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 5>then he goes into well, then we could have potentially,

603
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, people possibly giving their reproductive material in order

604
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:19.239
<v Speaker 5>to prevent abduction style harvesting or gathering of reproductive material.

605
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 5>So that's how he kind of strings it together in

606
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.920
<v Speaker 5>context like that, and in a sense you could see, okay, yeah,

607
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 5>well that would make sense. But my problem with it

608
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 5>is that we need to get through, essentially, if that

609
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 5>is to happen, a truth and reconciliation process with our

610
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:35.559
<v Speaker 5>own government about the fact that it's happened in the

611
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 5>first place, and then we should be able to decide

612
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 5>rather than just proposing that as a potential alternative without

613
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 5>even you know, discussing that. Especially with the people who

614
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 5>have been harmed by this program.

615
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I have to say there are people who would do

616
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 1>it one hundred percent that is correct. Like I was

617
00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:00.800
<v Speaker 1>watching a documentary recently about some guy who has an

618
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 1>enormous amount of children because he was cheating the system.

619
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 1>I think it was in Norway, going around to different

620
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>places to have and not charging. By the way, he

621
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to have like hundreds of children for some reason.

622
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.079
<v Speaker 1>So there are people who would do it. And I'm

623
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 1>thinking also of the lady and independence say who went

624
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 1>on the roof with a sign. You know, she probably

625
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>would have volunteered too, But that was a movie and

626
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>in reality, that's not what's happening right now. People aren't

627
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 1>being asked and it's not voluntary. And I think of

628
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a story in Artise six Killer Clerk's investigations where she

629
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 1>asked people what happened to them, and one lady said

630
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<v Speaker 1>she had to talk to these entities and say I

631
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>don't want to do this, but they kind of made

632
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.519
<v Speaker 1>a deal with her and said, well stop when you're

633
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:02.039
<v Speaker 1>like twenty five. But it wasn't like we're stopping now

634
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 1>when you don't want to do it. We're going to

635
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 1>keep going, you know. And and Whitley strike. Streeper also

636
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:11.119
<v Speaker 1>talked about how damaging it was for him when that

637
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:18.280
<v Speaker 1>particular aspect was part of his experience, like he's mortified

638
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that people made fun of what happened to him. It

639
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 1>was not voluntary. So I'm going to switch gears if

640
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.360
<v Speaker 1>if I can. I'm going to talk about my labs.

641
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Not an easier topic, by the way, but I just

642
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.599
<v Speaker 1>before I throw this around for us to chat about this,

643
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and want to bring up two things. One that some

644
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>of these experiences with people who appear to be tressed

645
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>as soldiers indicate that these soldiers may not actually be

646
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>conscious when they're participating in this, so they may not

647
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Speaker 1>be the villains. They may actually also be victims because

648
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:04.039
<v Speaker 1>there's stories about people seeing soldiers lined up and they

649
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 1>are in a trance, so it's not just they're coming

650
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>in and grabbing people. They're completely not aware of what's happening.

651
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 1>And then the second piece was Rick Doody mentioned in

652
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the documentary that he did that some of these quote

653
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:31.320
<v Speaker 1>abductions are actually happening to fake people out, they're not

654
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.000
<v Speaker 1>actual abductions. So both things are happening in addition to,

655
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, what other people are reporting. So let's see

656
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.119
<v Speaker 1>what people want to add to that. You want to

657
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<v Speaker 1>go first, Ariel, which is randomly picking.

658
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I would not be surprised to find out that,

659
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.679
<v Speaker 4>like you said, that they were under some sort of trant,

660
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:03.400
<v Speaker 4>some sort of drug, some sort of manipulation, that they

661
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 4>too were a victim. I mean, I just I mean,

662
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 4>just thinking about like about a month ago, my daughter

663
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 4>slept walk and she slept, walked all the way downstairs,

664
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.719
<v Speaker 4>and she had no idea the next morning, you know,

665
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.760
<v Speaker 4>but she was in control to an extent, but she

666
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:21.719
<v Speaker 4>didn't know what she was doing at the time, and

667
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 4>she couldn't remember. So, I mean, I just don't think

668
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 4>that would be very hard to replicate.

669
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<v Speaker 3>But I do.

670
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.960
<v Speaker 4>I think that's I think that's interesting and important to

671
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 4>consider as something that could be going on.

672
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 3>So I'm glad you brought that up.

673
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Chris, you want to go next.

674
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I haven't heard too much about the program specifically.

675
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 2>I know my understanding is that these are usually typically abductees, right,

676
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 2>and then the military somehow comes back and also abducts

677
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>them and then tests them to see what or whatever

678
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:09.599
<v Speaker 2>they're doing. I'm assuming testing them and obviously under some

679
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of covert operation. I don't really know of anyone.

680
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I haven't really spoken to anyone who's had that experience,

681
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 2>but I have spoken to people who have had definite

682
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 2>like intimidation tactics by the military after being, you know,

683
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 2>an abductee, of following, tracking, other things like that. So

684
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:34.199
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't surprise me that it's going on.

685
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that what Carla Turner spoke about. Do you know?

686
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.559
<v Speaker 3>She was an abduction researcher, and.

687
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.960
<v Speaker 4>I think she spoke a lot about the military involvement,

688
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.119
<v Speaker 4>and I think she said something like she felt like

689
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.800
<v Speaker 4>the military involvement and what they did to her and

690
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.840
<v Speaker 4>her family was worse than the abductions themselves.

691
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.159
<v Speaker 5>Well, Chris, I think you were there for this. I

692
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.440
<v Speaker 5>think we were in the room together down at Contact

693
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.679
<v Speaker 5>in the desert and we were there. Were you there

694
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.679
<v Speaker 5>for the women's panel because I thought I saw you? Okay, Well,

695
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 5>Yvonne Smith talked about this, and she said that she's

696
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.920
<v Speaker 5>seeing a recent phenomenon in her practice where she's noticing

697
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 5>a lot more abductions recently, even in the in the

698
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:25.519
<v Speaker 5>last few months. And so there is this idea, you know,

699
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 5>out in the community that abductions used to happen in

700
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.079
<v Speaker 5>the seventies, you know, and hit a peak and then

701
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.239
<v Speaker 5>you know, waaned. But she said that's not the case,

702
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 5>that she's seeing a lot more. So I'm not you know,

703
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 5>like commenting on the first question, but I'm wondering, deb like,

704
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 5>has anybody heard what Yvonne because she says she has

705
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 5>a new hypothesis about this. Has anybody heard what her

706
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 5>new hypothesis is? Or is that too new of a

707
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 5>research area.

708
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she even mentioned it to me when

709
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I spoke to her. I know it's too new.

710
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:03.480
<v Speaker 2>No, But I think, you know, just tying in some

711
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 2>of these loose pieces on abductions, like the missing for

712
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.400
<v Speaker 2>one one, and I mean, I just you know, Native

713
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 2>American women, I just feel like there's got to be

714
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:20.239
<v Speaker 2>a tie in to to where they're going. How is

715
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 2>nobody reporting them missing? How are they just I just

716
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 2>don't understand some of these missing person cases. And it

717
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.599
<v Speaker 2>does make me think that there's and I don't know

718
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 2>if it's government or you know Nhi, but there's some

719
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:34.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of connection. I think.

720
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.400
<v Speaker 5>My sister's always constantly reminding seven thousand people missing in

721
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 5>national parks every year.

722
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's ridiculous if you go to the number. Yeah,

723
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.920
<v Speaker 1>if you go look at a missing person's page, it's

724
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>extremely depressing. It's like all ages. You know, it's clearly

725
00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 1>not just you know, obviously there's some cases that involve

726
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>human trafficking, but would they take people who are a

727
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>certain age and beyond for human trafficking? Like, that's not

728
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>what's happening to them, right, It's just excessive, and you know,

729
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 1>it gets into really dark things. So I'm trying to

730
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.039
<v Speaker 1>switch gears again because I don't want us to go

731
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.239
<v Speaker 1>there too much. I don't even want to talk about it.

732
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>But Report thirteen keeps going through my head. Why isn't

733
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.480
<v Speaker 1>that one out in the public yet? You know from

734
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 1>blue Book? Have you guys heard about that?

735
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Tell us, Oh.

736
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 1>It's supposedly if you look at the sequence with blue Book,

737
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 1>fourteen is the one that's out in public, And then

738
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you go back, you see you know, one, two, three, four, whatever,

739
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.159
<v Speaker 1>But thirteen's missing, And I'm like, that's not like when

740
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.639
<v Speaker 1>they used to make elevators and being superstitious, Right, it's

741
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 1>missing for a reason. There's a rumor and some people

742
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>have said they've seen it, that it goes into really

743
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>dark things that have happened to humans, and that it

744
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.559
<v Speaker 1>may eventually come out.

745
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 5>Oh wow, were you suspecting deb along with that rumor

746
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:11.039
<v Speaker 5>with the other rumor that we heard that some classified

747
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:14.639
<v Speaker 5>Project Blue Book files might come out in the declassification

748
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:19.760
<v Speaker 5>through the through the archiving process or is that separate it?

749
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Maybe? And maybe that's where thirteen is right and super

750
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 1>classified because if you guys have read Rubolt's book, he

751
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>said that some files he couldn't even process, they couldn't

752
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>even investigate, they took them from him. He also said

753
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 1>that others that involved you know, entities often got tossed

754
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.559
<v Speaker 1>in the trash, that they didn't want to talk about it,

755
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.800
<v Speaker 1>that they he definitely didn't really get to investigate a

756
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:52.159
<v Speaker 1>lot of those, right. So yeah, it's it's pretty much

757
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 1>a trend. You notice in looking at Foya's Blue Book

758
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:57.960
<v Speaker 1>that that's minimized.

759
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 5>Wow, I think it's ongoing. I mean, I know you

760
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.559
<v Speaker 5>guys know this, but you know, at the Soul Symposium

761
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 5>that was one of the things that was told to

762
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:09.840
<v Speaker 5>Whitley Streeper because he wanted to be able to talk

763
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.880
<v Speaker 5>right about his experience and being an experiencer and being

764
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 5>someone in this field for so long raising awareness about

765
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.920
<v Speaker 5>these topics, and he was just told, look, it's not

766
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 5>palatable for DC. We're not even bringing up experience or issues.

767
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 5>And so it's ongoing, right, I mean, it's we're still

768
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 5>experiencing this moratorium on ex experience or issues. But I

769
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 5>think that's really where the battle is at, to be honest,

770
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.079
<v Speaker 5>is the human encounters.

771
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it's also something Courtney and I have worked

772
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 1>on before, is just trying to prepare people for this

773
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:50.199
<v Speaker 1>reality because you know, at some point in time, like

774
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I still know people who do not believe that there

775
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>could be life on other planets, Like they cannot wrap

776
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.760
<v Speaker 1>their brain around that. And there's people who don't understand

777
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.719
<v Speaker 1>that we're already hybrid humans. And I'm not talking about

778
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 1>necessarily an hi. I'm saying we have multiple types of

779
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.679
<v Speaker 1>humanoids in our blood right now, and like they can't

780
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 1>understand that we used to coexist next to other intelligent beings,

781
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Like there's this huge ego thing they like they just

782
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:29.760
<v Speaker 1>can't grasp it. Like you see people resisting AI intelligence

783
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 1>and it freaks them out if it like the AI

784
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.599
<v Speaker 1>looks human, you know, so I can't imagine. So that's

785
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.320
<v Speaker 1>something we're concerned about too. It's just getting everyone on

786
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 1>board and ready.

787
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 2>And how do you do that. It's like this impossible

788
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.960
<v Speaker 2>task of like I don't even know, because I mean,

789
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I talk about it obviously regularly, and

790
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I have family members, you know, Mom, they'll talk to

791
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 2>me about this. I don't and the things you mentioned,

792
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:03.599
<v Speaker 2>and you know, going through the walls and you know,

793
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.519
<v Speaker 2>female issues, those are all the things that scare her

794
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.199
<v Speaker 2>as as they should. And so but but then what

795
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 2>do I say, Because in a weird way, I do

796
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.239
<v Speaker 2>feel that some of my experiences were positive, not necessarily,

797
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 2>like I didn't have an encounter with a being and

798
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have, you know, anything traumatic like that happened

799
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 2>to me. So I can't speak like other people, but

800
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the process that happened to me as

801
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.599
<v Speaker 2>a result of the sightings and as a result of

802
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 2>my encounters, the change in my consciousness and the shift

803
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 2>in like how I see the world, and that is

804
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the part that I think I value out of the

805
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.159
<v Speaker 2>whole thing, even though it was very painful going through it,

806
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 2>There's something about it I value, I think, so it's

807
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of hard not to talk about it, right.

808
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm thinking about David Grush talking about

809
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.440
<v Speaker 1>like this huge styop that has happened with us, right,

810
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Like is a society and you see it all the time.

811
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Here's an example. My dad used to work at the Pentagon,

812
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 1>So I asked him, Hey, Dad, can you tell me

813
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.440
<v Speaker 1>about those underground bases. I'm just curious. And it's like,

814
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 1>of course we have underground bases. And then he said,

815
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.480
<v Speaker 1>we have to stop talking about this. You're going to

816
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:30.719
<v Speaker 1>ruin your career. Like he has never said that this

817
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:34.559
<v Speaker 1>is real, like, of course, not right, but he has

818
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 1>definitely said this is career ending conversations. And then ten

819
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:43.239
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes later, my sister was talking about a ghost

820
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 1>tour and he was all in on that conversation. That's

821
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.639
<v Speaker 1>a weird psychology thing. What about the conversation we just

822
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:55.400
<v Speaker 1>had outside about UFOs. Why is that a career ending conversation?

823
00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:01.079
<v Speaker 1>But we're cool with ghosts, Like everyone's cool with ghost tours, right,

824
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.079
<v Speaker 1>that's a public thing. If we had like Melinda Leslie's

825
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 1>tour everywhere in every town, like we have ghost tours

826
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 1>would be cool.

827
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<v Speaker 5>Probably, I'm thinking of turning my Montana property into the

828
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:22.679
<v Speaker 5>Montana UFO Ranch, basically because Melinda was like, anybody can

829
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.679
<v Speaker 5>do this. But I just want to say this before

830
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 5>we move on. Devin, correct me if I'm wrong, But

831
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.440
<v Speaker 5>I remember us having a conversation about how your dad

832
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 5>kind of came around, didn't he, or he's at least

833
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 5>willing to be more open about it with you, wasn't

834
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.360
<v Speaker 5>he like down the line.

835
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Give me a UFO book, which frankly gave me a

836
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<v Speaker 1>UFO book that was him coming around. The rest of

837
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:49.320
<v Speaker 1>my family still treats it kind of like a joke.

838
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 1>They just give me alien gifts. They don't know that

839
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I actually appreciate them, and I decorate my house with

840
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.679
<v Speaker 1>some of them, but they aren't taking it seriously. And

841
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.320
<v Speaker 1>they're so interested in NASA and all of that. It's

842
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.800
<v Speaker 1>fascinating to me that they're not open to this idea.

843
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>So there's a weird psychology. And another example of this

844
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.519
<v Speaker 1>weird psychology that I can't get over is someone is

845
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>always very very credible, like everyone's respecting them and have

846
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Speaker 1>great esteem for them until they talk about this topic

847
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:31.800
<v Speaker 1>and then suddenly all of that credibility apparently disappears. And

848
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 1>it's so weird to me. So what do you guys

849
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:39.760
<v Speaker 1>think about this psyop weird psychology movie manipulation that also

850
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>happens thanks to the CIA, et cetera, that we're all

851
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:44.079
<v Speaker 1>dealing with.

852
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 2>I when you said weird psychology, I think this is

853
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that we should mention. And I

854
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:57.039
<v Speaker 2>hope I'm not taking it off topic. But one of

855
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the things that I've found the most fascinating is talking

856
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.440
<v Speaker 2>to an abductee and and to talking to like Travis Walton.

857
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 2>I sat down with him for like an hour at

858
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the conferences, and one of the things that

859
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I do find fascinating is this idea of the initial

860
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:19.679
<v Speaker 2>trauma of the situation, but the later endearment that is

861
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:25.360
<v Speaker 2>built and again maybe that is manipulation that that could

862
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:28.280
<v Speaker 2>be some curious what your guys thoughts on that? And

863
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 2>also but so there's this weird psychology thing, I mean,

864
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 2>is it what's that that that syndrome called when somebody

865
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.440
<v Speaker 2>abducts you and you you know Stockholm Center. I mean,

866
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 2>could it be that could it be. I mean, because

867
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 2>they'll legitimately tell you they even appreciate the experience. But

868
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the thing that traumatizes them now is the stigma and

869
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:54.039
<v Speaker 2>the public response and the military response. So I'm just

870
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 2>curious about that. Sorry.

871
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, because if we didn't respond that way,

872
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.960
<v Speaker 1>and if we let these people talk and it wasn't

873
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 1>snickers in the audience or snickers by someone talking to them,

874
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it would not be traumatic. And actually that is what

875
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I've done with some of my clients. I just let

876
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:18.480
<v Speaker 1>them talk and then we move on. They tell me

877
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 1>about experiences that they have, and a lot of them

878
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:27.199
<v Speaker 1>are kids, and they just talk about them. I don't

879
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.440
<v Speaker 1>tell them about my interests, I don't tell them my

880
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.599
<v Speaker 1>point of view. I just let them talk, and then

881
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:36.000
<v Speaker 1>five minutes later we're talking about a video game or something.

882
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 1>It's not traumatic at that point if you just let

883
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:43.719
<v Speaker 1>them speak. But the snickers, the stigma, Yeah, it continues.

884
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Ariel What did you Courtney? What did you want to say?

885
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 5>I just wanted to say that I was just watching

886
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 5>this morning. I saw something on ex about Elon Musk's

887
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.920
<v Speaker 5>patient who had the neuralink and he was talking to

888
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:03.119
<v Speaker 5>Chris Cuomo and he's into UFOs and UAPs, and so

889
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.000
<v Speaker 5>he was talking about his perspective on it, what's happening,

890
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 5>and don't you know, Chris Cuomo comes out and says, well, look,

891
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, there are some people that I can't exactly

892
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:14.440
<v Speaker 5>what he said, but he threw in the little green Man.

893
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:16.360
<v Speaker 5>He had to do it. He threw the little Green

894
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:19.360
<v Speaker 5>Man into the into the narration, and I thought, man,

895
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:21.760
<v Speaker 5>we're beyond that, Like, just leave the little man green

896
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 5>Man behind, or the tinfoil hats or whatever stigmafied stigmafying

897
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.719
<v Speaker 5>thing you're you're gonna say next. And I wish we

898
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:30.559
<v Speaker 5>could just drop all that now. And I think that

899
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.920
<v Speaker 5>just shows us we're not there yet. That's that's all

900
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 5>I wanted to say about the OP. You know, it's

901
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.519
<v Speaker 5>been very effective, very effective.

902
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, l.

903
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.800
<v Speaker 4>I yeah, I find I find that very interesting because

904
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:56.599
<v Speaker 4>in in the context of like personal conversations with family

905
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 4>and friends, it's like people can kind.

906
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:02.199
<v Speaker 3>Of, you know, be more open to it.

907
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 4>Like I feel like I don't get the snickers, I

908
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.880
<v Speaker 4>get more just the kind of like, oh that's that's nice.

909
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.079
<v Speaker 4>That's nice. So that's interesting, that's nice, and then move on.

910
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:14.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't get like you're weird or you know.

911
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Any of that.

912
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:20.280
<v Speaker 4>But when it comes to media, we still have these

913
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.840
<v Speaker 4>news anchors just pushing the stigma, like you said, throwing

914
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:27.239
<v Speaker 4>in the tinfoil hat comments and the green little men comments,

915
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:31.000
<v Speaker 4>and it just it drives me crazy because I just

916
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:34.119
<v Speaker 4>don't know if that's representative of what's going on in

917
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:36.079
<v Speaker 4>people's like personal conversations.

918
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Does that make sense?

919
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you know what, I'm just gonna say this,

920
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>like I did this. I started from a point of

921
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:49.360
<v Speaker 1>research and just reading the investigations that were happening, Like

922
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the Army has a PDF that a lot of people

923
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:56.119
<v Speaker 1>don't read. It was fascinating. That was like real life

924
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:00.960
<v Speaker 1>movie stuff right there. They went all over to Germany trying

925
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 1>to figure out if the Germans were doing the flying

926
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.920
<v Speaker 1>saucers that were being reported, and it was right after

927
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Kenneth Arnold sighting, and they took it really seriously. There

928
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:14.280
<v Speaker 1>was like page after page of all these things that

929
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.960
<v Speaker 1>they did to investigate, and I'm like, that's serious stuff.

930
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 1>That's not joking. Stuff like that was manpower and money

931
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and woman power going out there trying to figure out

932
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:31.320
<v Speaker 1>what was going on. And those stories are being missed.

933
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:34.400
<v Speaker 1>They're missing them because they're not paying attention. Another one

934
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.880
<v Speaker 1>that's fascinating was that someone who worked for the US

935
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Air Force tried desperately in the fifties to have the

936
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:47.599
<v Speaker 1>public know more about this topic. And she wrote to

937
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.599
<v Speaker 1>people talking about the US Air Force wants to come

938
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:55.000
<v Speaker 1>out and open to the public information about this topic.

939
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.960
<v Speaker 1>And guess who stopped them. Guess who stopped the US

940
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Air Force? It was the CIA. Just real stuff that happened,

941
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and the media is missing it because they're making jokes.

942
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:12.559
<v Speaker 1>There was also stuff that scandals about people lying and

943
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.480
<v Speaker 1>politicians and you know, things the politicians were doing with

944
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.960
<v Speaker 1>their money, which was really interesting. Actually, there was a

945
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:25.639
<v Speaker 1>whole article about someone who worked for a senator and

946
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:31.159
<v Speaker 1>senators that created conventions like they spent their money on that.

947
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.599
<v Speaker 1>It was pell by the way, who did that. In

948
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:36.880
<v Speaker 1>part he wasn't the only one, I think like Rockefeller

949
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and some other people were involved. But you know, these

950
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:44.079
<v Speaker 1>are really interesting, real things that happened, and people just

951
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:49.440
<v Speaker 1>want to make jokes and it leads down to like, oh, seriously,

952
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 1>bad things that people did. I found out about Japan

953
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:58.159
<v Speaker 1>and MacArthur and we made a deal to cover up

954
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:03.519
<v Speaker 1>the experiments that they did on people that were horrific,

955
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's a real thing that happened, and the media

956
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:11.039
<v Speaker 1>never reports on that, and they just made that deal

957
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 1>so that we could get the data from it and

958
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:19.480
<v Speaker 1>let all those people off the hook. So yeah, Courtney,

959
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:21.559
<v Speaker 1>I could tell you wanted to chime in, go ahead.

960
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:24.760
<v Speaker 5>No, we only have a couple of minutes left, and

961
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.400
<v Speaker 5>so I want to make sure we give enough time

962
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.159
<v Speaker 5>because I have some comments to say in the goodbye part,

963
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.239
<v Speaker 5>so I'll go ahead and pass it back to you.

964
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I guess since we do have to wrap up,

965
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 1>if you would like, could you please tell us what's

966
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:42.519
<v Speaker 1>going to happen in the future with your show, because

967
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure people are going to want to chime in.

968
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:49.679
<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, Chris, gotcha.

969
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're just plugging along, just doing what we're doing.

970
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:57.960
<v Speaker 2>We try and have a show every couple of weeks,

971
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:01.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, and depending on schedules and things. So we

972
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:06.960
<v Speaker 2>just dropped an episode today with the Ancient Enigma Files,

973
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and it was a really fun episode to actually talk

974
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:13.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot about Christianity, religion, some beliefs that he holds on,

975
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, just different theories. It was it was a

976
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:22.039
<v Speaker 2>really good, uh full topic. And then we have I

977
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:26.039
<v Speaker 2>have I think Joel is going to come on in August,

978
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:32.280
<v Speaker 2>and we have another deep dive we're going to do

979
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:33.920
<v Speaker 2>at the end of August. So we're going to bring

980
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.480
<v Speaker 2>on actually a couple of brothers is what I understand,

981
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.079
<v Speaker 2>and they are going to deep dive a case with us,

982
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:42.679
<v Speaker 2>so that'll be fun. And then we have some really

983
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.760
<v Speaker 2>cool step in September. So Ariel's got in on a

984
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:51.880
<v Speaker 2>really big name on simulation theory. So I don't even

985
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 2>know why I'm going to be on the show just

986
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.639
<v Speaker 2>to listen because I probably can't even have a dialogue.

987
01:00:58.280 --> 01:00:59.039
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be fun.

988
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:02.760
<v Speaker 5>You need to start searching for Mendela effects in your

989
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.840
<v Speaker 5>life so that you can ask your ask your host

990
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:07.679
<v Speaker 5>about your Mendela effect experience.

991
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:11.079
<v Speaker 4>Oh thank you for that tip.

992
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Do you want to get that? Do you want to

993
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:18.679
<v Speaker 3>give the address of our YouTube channel you're meeting?

994
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I think Truly has put it in the chat at

995
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:24.119
<v Speaker 1>least once.

996
01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh perfect, Yeah, it's I always get confused. It's the

997
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:29.840
<v Speaker 2>elephant in the room for one one. I don't remember

998
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 2>if it's elephant in the room for one one on

999
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.679
<v Speaker 2>YouTube and you can find Ariel and myself on x

1000
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.679
<v Speaker 2>most of the time. That's pretty much where we're at,

1001
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:42.639
<v Speaker 2>and Ariels on Instagram, so she'll post some updates and

1002
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.599
<v Speaker 2>things there. Yeah. So we're just kind of taking it

1003
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:47.880
<v Speaker 2>easy and slow and doing it at our own pace

1004
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.679
<v Speaker 2>as I'm going to school and Ariels going to be

1005
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.119
<v Speaker 2>busy in this fall as well.

1006
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, but thank you so much for having us on.

1007
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 4>I have been wanting to meet the both of you

1008
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 4>for so long. Now I'm just getting to, you know,

1009
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:05.360
<v Speaker 4>put faces and voices with names and just kind of

1010
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.360
<v Speaker 4>getting to know your personalities. This has just been so

1011
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 4>much fun. So just really appreciate it.

1012
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Well. I will say before Courtney gets to say goodbye

1013
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.519
<v Speaker 1>that I think we're going to need a part two

1014
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.480
<v Speaker 1>at some point because I am thinking we need to

1015
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:20.440
<v Speaker 1>talk more about women in this community and some of

1016
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:24.079
<v Speaker 1>the issues that we're looking at, because it isn't a

1017
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:28.559
<v Speaker 1>topic that is addressed nearly enough. I can tell you

1018
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.159
<v Speaker 1>there are some podcasts that I stopped watching because I

1019
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:37.119
<v Speaker 1>never saw them interview a woman ever. And there's plenty

1020
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:41.519
<v Speaker 1>of women doing this work behind the scenes. Besides the

1021
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 1>people like Sheehan, there were women working with him and

1022
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.079
<v Speaker 1>for not seeing them. So yeah, definitely should talk about

1023
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:53.840
<v Speaker 1>that some more in the future. Your turn, Courtney with

1024
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you got Chris.

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01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:58.079
<v Speaker 5>I just want to say, and you probably don't remember this,

1026
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:01.159
<v Speaker 5>but I have a really good memory when you came

1027
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 5>into the Mothership, the women's research group that we did

1028
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:07.679
<v Speaker 5>so all the women in the field who were available

1029
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:10.280
<v Speaker 5>could highlight their work. One of the things that deb

1030
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:13.800
<v Speaker 5>and I noticed was that it really quickly got into

1031
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:16.559
<v Speaker 5>experience or issues. It was like we had a couple

1032
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:18.840
<v Speaker 5>of people come in share their work, you know, do

1033
01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:21.519
<v Speaker 5>their introduction, and then it was like heavy with experience

1034
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.679
<v Speaker 5>or issues. And so I just want to say this

1035
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:26.679
<v Speaker 5>to you because it's something that I remember. One of

1036
01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:31.840
<v Speaker 5>the participants was a husband who had experiences that didn't

1037
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:34.320
<v Speaker 5>believe in his wife experiences and then he did eventually,

1038
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:37.440
<v Speaker 5>and he was really struggling with that, and you know,

1039
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:40.440
<v Speaker 5>I remember kind of addressing it but then moving on

1040
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:42.239
<v Speaker 5>to the next person for time, and I just want

1041
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.519
<v Speaker 5>to say that you really addressed his issues, you know,

1042
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:50.280
<v Speaker 5>and gave him a lot of positive feedback and support,

1043
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 5>and I wanted to thank you for that. And I

1044
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:55.320
<v Speaker 5>know that you're not like an experience or support person

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<v Speaker 5>or you know, not running the groups or anything. But

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<v Speaker 5>I really I saw that in you. I thought, wow,

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<v Speaker 5>that's remarkable that she took the time to address this

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<v Speaker 5>person's real feelings and offered support and help and even

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<v Speaker 5>said there's a lot of great people in this community

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<v Speaker 5>that will help you. So I learned from that, and

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<v Speaker 5>that was just you being present and aware and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>really listening to what was needed and providing it. So

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<v Speaker 5>I've followed you guys since and all your work, and

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<v Speaker 5>I just want to say keep doing the good work.

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<v Speaker 5>I love that you guys are on Twitter and you

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<v Speaker 5>don't get into the Twitter wars. You're very balanced and

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<v Speaker 5>even and and Ariel, that's what I wanted to say

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<v Speaker 5>to you. You seem to be able to stay out

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<v Speaker 5>of the fray and keep it classy, and I really

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<v Speaker 5>like that about you, you know, but you continue to

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<v Speaker 5>do good work, So both of you, I just I

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<v Speaker 5>regard you very highly and keep up all the good

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<v Speaker 5>work that you're doing in the field. It makes a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. That was really nice for you

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<v Speaker 2>to notice.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, and thank you from myself as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that some Pe people probably really appreciated this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation today and the fact that we touched on some

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<v Speaker 1>things that maybe don't regularly get touched on and should be.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm hoping that more people will go check out

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<v Speaker 1>your channel and absorb all the information that you have,

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<v Speaker 1>including some presentations. I saw that there are some presentations.

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<v Speaker 1>People come prepare to your channel with presentation. So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you again from all of us. I have thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for writing in the cab today and to everyone who

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<v Speaker 1>came to listen, thank you and have a wonderful, wonderful night.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh love you ladies. Thank you so much, appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye.