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<v Speaker 1>Here's a question that I am turning over in my

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<v Speaker 1>head over and over again lately. How should we be

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<v Speaker 1>doing content or talking about subjects in relations to Jews

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<v Speaker 1>when the climate is becoming increasingly hostile. What bad things

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<v Speaker 1>are we to talk about? And what should we not

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. I'm not asking this question as an invitation

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<v Speaker 1>for assurances Freeda, It's okay, you cover things sensitively. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not asking it in an attempt to self validate. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>asking it to raise genuine questions about ethical journalism, sociology,

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<v Speaker 1>and storytelling in a changing climate. I'm thinking about this

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. I have to say, my work as a

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<v Speaker 1>content creator who tells the story essentially of people is

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<v Speaker 1>something that I feel. I'm always walking a tight rope

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<v Speaker 1>of moral decisions coupled with, of course, an element of

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<v Speaker 1>self interest. I'm always making decisions and calls. It's not oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the story and I tell it. Storytelling is

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<v Speaker 1>about taking this story is going to skew the narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>this story is going to help frame an effective narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>and making these filtering calls constantly throughout for my entire

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<v Speaker 1>career of documenting the Hasidic community, and I could say

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<v Speaker 1>it's twenty years, because it was twenty years ago when

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<v Speaker 1>I first logged on online in the Citic community and

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<v Speaker 1>made my first blog, and I started to write anonymously

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<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of a Hasidic woman. I've always had

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<v Speaker 1>the same goal to humanize, to tell a story of humans,

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<v Speaker 1>where oftentimes that is a very difficult story for outsiders

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<v Speaker 1>to hear. And over those twenty years, I have always

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<v Speaker 1>made moral decisions about how to tell this story effectively.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also balanced that with self survival with at some

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<v Speaker 1>points that meant being anonymous. When I first started, I

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<v Speaker 1>was Spitzel Shrimpken, and I changed all the details about

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<v Speaker 1>myself because I had to. I was risking everything in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. I didn't intend to blow up my life,

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<v Speaker 1>although it did end up happening, and it was necessary

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<v Speaker 1>for me to protect myself, and so I had to

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<v Speaker 1>lie about my details, changing all where I lived, how

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<v Speaker 1>many children I had, and so on and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>in order to balance self interest with storytelling. Likewise, along

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<v Speaker 1>the way, different personal interests have come in the way

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<v Speaker 1>with my work that I have tried to juggle alongside

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<v Speaker 1>the moral questions. Now, however, I feel i'm at a

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<v Speaker 1>crossroads again where I am trying to ask some really

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<v Speaker 1>hard moral questions of myself, and I had the urge

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<v Speaker 1>to articulate them with you all. I'm very fortunate to

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<v Speaker 1>have an audience that is very thoughtful, that I have

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<v Speaker 1>learned a lot from, and that I feel is able

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<v Speaker 1>to appreciate the importance of these questions and to participate

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<v Speaker 1>in my internal debate and also the external debate we

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<v Speaker 1>should be having about the ethics of journalism and work

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<v Speaker 1>documenting the Jewish people in this current climate. And so

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm juggling right now internally in my ethical questions

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<v Speaker 1>of how do you tell the story effectively? And how

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<v Speaker 1>do I also think about myself as a human being

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to survive and feed myself and my child,

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<v Speaker 1>my son who is no longer a child but is

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<v Speaker 1>in college and still on my dime. As I juggle this,

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<v Speaker 1>I am right now asking the question my work is

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, reaching anti Semites. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I've experienced that before. It is reaching people who have

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<v Speaker 1>preconceived notions about Jews and are looking to validate those

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<v Speaker 1>notions about Jews and to buttress their arguments about Jews.

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<v Speaker 1>We're watching the climate about Jews go from oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot believe someone said the Austrian painter was right

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<v Speaker 1>to it being so commonplace that you're starting to see

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<v Speaker 1>it bleed into everyday life. It's not just the trolls

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<v Speaker 1>on the Internet. It's not just a few people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a sentiment you're starting to see just in everyday life casually,

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<v Speaker 1>a focus on the Jewish people as some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>villain that is at fault for what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. It's something that when I first experienced anti

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<v Speaker 1>semitism in my common section, this kind of anti semitism,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like storybook childhood fantasy anti Semitic villain come

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<v Speaker 1>to life. It's like the witch from Sleeping Beauty has

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<v Speaker 1>walked into your life and you're like pinching yourself. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this real? This is my formative childhood legend of villainy.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this real? And now, of course it's real. It's

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<v Speaker 1>completely normalized. The problem of Jews being blamed for what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the world, of course, is a long one,

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<v Speaker 1>and different people will see different reasons why this has

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<v Speaker 1>come to the four again. But one thing for sure

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<v Speaker 1>is that I want to be very careful in how

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<v Speaker 1>I tell the story of Hasidic Jews in particular, in

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<v Speaker 1>order to be mindful of this climate. There are many

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<v Speaker 1>things that I am turning over in my head. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, how much control do we really have? Anti

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<v Speaker 1>Semites are going to run with anything. Silence will be weaponized,

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<v Speaker 1>words will be weaponized. There will always be something that

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<v Speaker 1>they will use. So should we be asking these questions

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<v Speaker 1>at all? And to that I will say yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>It is still very, very important to publish some things

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<v Speaker 1>and not others, to publish with discretion, to tell stories

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<v Speaker 1>with care, even though no matter what we do, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what we do, those who want to see Jews

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<v Speaker 1>in the anti Semitic narrative will see it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet ethical decision making in storytelling is pertinent, and

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<v Speaker 1>throughout my entire time creating this content, I have made

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<v Speaker 1>these decisions constantly, constantly. So when I started to really

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<v Speaker 1>get into this role as sort of street anthropologists was

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<v Speaker 1>when I became a tour guide fourteen years ago. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when I started to walk the streets, when I came

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that being immersed in a community in a

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<v Speaker 1>world is the right way to do sociology. Instead of

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<v Speaker 1>in the Ivory Tower in academia, and I fell in

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<v Speaker 1>love with this way of seeing the world, especially because

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<v Speaker 1>as this was happening, as I was walking through the

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<v Speaker 1>world and observing it, I could see how wrong media

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<v Speaker 1>narratives were, how detached from reality they were, how much

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<v Speaker 1>the system of journalism where you call three experts who

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<v Speaker 1>are in academia and you get two quotes, completely loses

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of the big picture. I said, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. I'm going to live in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>observe the world, and tell the story and see the

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<v Speaker 1>big picture. When I started to do this, it was

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<v Speaker 1>very fashionable to bash that setic community, very fashionable. Deborah

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<v Speaker 1>Feldman came up with unorthodox people devoured it. There was

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<v Speaker 1>almost no counter narrative, anyone who tried to counter her narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>which was full full of so many issues. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, she went to Germany and became a celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>there something that has always made me feel so uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>and told a story of Jews as terrible people that

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<v Speaker 1>it's always felt to me so morally problematic, so something

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<v Speaker 1>that I felt we should criticize. But at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who criticized Deborah Feldman was ripped to pieces. Ripped

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<v Speaker 1>to pieces. It's amazing how I've watched the climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>Big moment, first moment of being canceled, was when I

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<v Speaker 1>started to share views on Hasidic education. So basically what

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<v Speaker 1>happened like ten years ago in this climate where Hasidic

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<v Speaker 1>Jews are a cult, they are crazy. There were all

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<v Speaker 1>these negative things said about them. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>just want to pause here to point out something that

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<v Speaker 1>I found myself do. When I do this quote Hasidic

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<v Speaker 1>Jews are cult, They're crazy, I find myself stepping back. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>don't say that. It's going to be taken out of

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<v Speaker 1>context by anti Semites. This is how the new climate

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<v Speaker 1>is infiltrating my mind. But back to what happened about

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ago. The first time I was canceled, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hasidic community was being shredded to pieces. I would regularly

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<v Speaker 1>read on the New York Times. People called them a

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<v Speaker 1>drain on the planet. People were saying they're spreading diseases

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<v Speaker 1>because of measles outbreaks in the community. Things that shocked me.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed to call the Jews diseased. I could I

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<v Speaker 1>could see the kernels there. I could see the kernels

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<v Speaker 1>of a narrative that would later sprout fully, and I

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<v Speaker 1>screamed off the rooftop saying, wait, wait, stop blaming them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're vaccinating, many of them are vaccinating. They have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of children. The arguments that they're too many people

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<v Speaker 1>and using up the resources of the planet. It was

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<v Speaker 1>always so scary to me, and I wasn't wrong. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate to say it, I wasn't wrong, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>very unpopular and I would get no audience. I was

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<v Speaker 1>screaming into the void about these things until it came

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<v Speaker 1>to the education issue. So what happened was, in this

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<v Speaker 1>very negative climate towards a Cidic Jews, an organization sprung

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<v Speaker 1>up called yeah Fed that spearheaded by enough to Leye Moster,

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<v Speaker 1>who has gone through his own long journey. I've had

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<v Speaker 1>him on my channel, but anyway, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>go into that. Yafed aimed to change Hassidic boys education.

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<v Speaker 1>The media loved this, They loved this narrative, they loved

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<v Speaker 1>this project. They fully fully gave it the stage. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>the goal was to force the government to force the

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<v Speaker 1>Hasiitic community to change their education. Now me. I did

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<v Speaker 1>not disagree with the fact that the Citic community has

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<v Speaker 1>to think about change, or that people that or rather

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<v Speaker 1>that many people in the Citic community are interested in

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of change, an expansion of education for boys,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the premise of rectifying education for boys wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a negative one to me. However, the way it was approached,

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<v Speaker 1>which was this tremendous negative publicity stunt saying they are

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<v Speaker 1>all uneducated and poor and living off the government. I

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<v Speaker 1>did it again. I regret saying that. But the way

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<v Speaker 1>it was framed I thought was going to be counter effective,

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<v Speaker 1>That it was going to make people close ranks and

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<v Speaker 1>stop the natural pace of change, because they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>become more zealous as a response to outside pressure. As

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<v Speaker 1>I was walking through the community watching street posters crop

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<v Speaker 1>up everywhere screaming help, they're taking us to Auschwitz. Spiritually,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like saying, Oh, I'm seeing it. They're doubling down.

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<v Speaker 1>They are feeling attacked, and they are going to resist change. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when a Hasidic man comes into a boys' school and

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<v Speaker 1>says let's introduce new textbooks, they're going to have their

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<v Speaker 1>antennas up. Why by bah bah Bay change no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not doing change. There's always change in the Acidic community,

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<v Speaker 1>but under pressures from the outside that feel like forced assimilation,

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<v Speaker 1>they become cognizant of the change and more mindful and

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<v Speaker 1>more concerned about it. And this relates to understanding the

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<v Speaker 1>entire Hasidic system. It's like a culture, it's a system.

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<v Speaker 1>There are deep embedded values. This goes back to well

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<v Speaker 1>before the Asidic community came to America and Eastern Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>where they were fighting for their survival and were persecuted,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there's like a deep seated cultural memory about

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<v Speaker 1>what it means like to experience religious persecution and that

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<v Speaker 1>can be awoken if outsiders start to put pressure you

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<v Speaker 1>must change. So this was my argument at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I said two things. One, they are not uneducated. Education

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<v Speaker 1>is a complicated concept and calling them uneducated is extremely offensive. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the boys don't learn secular subject but that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>they're uneducated. It's very, very problematic. And number two, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to shoot yourself in the foot if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to ham fist change like that. That was my argument

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<v Speaker 1>out You could disagree with this argument. It's okay if

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<v Speaker 1>you say, actually, this is the pace of change, or

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<v Speaker 1>this is the process of change, you need a charatenistic

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I am open to hearing other sides. This

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<v Speaker 1>was my argument, and I became persona non grata among friends.

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<v Speaker 1>We had the most heated debates, but basically on Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where the conversation was happening. Then people were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the woman who doesn't want children to be educated.

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<v Speaker 1>She herself greedily left and she doesn't want an education

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<v Speaker 1>for the children. I felt extremely hurt by this. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt extremely hurt by this. I felt misrepresented and definitely ostracized,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely ostracized. I was shocked to experience ostracization for the

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<v Speaker 1>second time in my life. I thought, when I left

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<v Speaker 1>that stated community, I'm done with that. It's a very closed,

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<v Speaker 1>small community. It's a very cohesive community. It's an our

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<v Speaker 1>group world. You get canceled easily. It has good sides

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<v Speaker 1>and bad sides. The good side of the secular world

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be you don't get canceled. Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>was I left before the word canceled became a thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I got canceled, and that was my first taste of

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like to have an unpopular opinion and my

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<v Speaker 1>My views, my opinions, my perspectives, they are what they

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<v Speaker 1>are when they are popular. They are what they are

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<v Speaker 1>when they're unpopular. It's only when they're unpopular it's not

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<v Speaker 1>only extremely painful and isolating, but I become creatively crippled

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<v Speaker 1>and go into hiding. I'll stop being as comfortable speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, I'm about to publish a video with Pearl

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<v Speaker 1>where she says some very unpopular things. She says, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>that the Jews are to blame for the Holocaust in

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<v Speaker 1>so many words. I'm sorry to state it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I'm not framing it incorrectly, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>watch that video. Definitely unpopular. I expect her to be shredded.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the reaction is going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>but I admire her courage. She's cognizant that the climate

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<v Speaker 1>for her views right now is very, very harsh. She

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<v Speaker 1>is cognizant of the fact that this will probably make

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<v Speaker 1>her very unpopular, and yet she shares them. What Pearl

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<v Speaker 1>and I have in common, I feel, is deep convictions.

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<v Speaker 1>Even when the world doesn't agree something that I think

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<v Speaker 1>is admirable. What she has that is so admirable that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have is that she has thick skin and

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<v Speaker 1>she says her bit and goes on her way while

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<v Speaker 1>I shrivel up and hide. And my first experience with

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<v Speaker 1>being canceled was a lesson in how I handle it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it's very disruptive to my work, and that

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<v Speaker 1>I will not change my opinion because of it. I

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<v Speaker 1>will only limit my voice. And I expect it to

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<v Speaker 1>happen again. I don't know what the future holds, but

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<v Speaker 1>I expect it to happen again. I expect at some

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<v Speaker 1>point people to say, oh, I used to like her,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like her anymore because XYZ, and for it

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<v Speaker 1>to hurt a lot, for people to say she she

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<v Speaker 1>was great until she took this position and then no.

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<v Speaker 1>I expect this to happen because at some point people

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<v Speaker 1>will say, I don't like your position. It's only part

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<v Speaker 1>for the course. The tides of the world change, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are popular opinions, and I have watched the climate

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<v Speaker 1>for the Hassitic community's popular opinion go from they are

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<v Speaker 1>the worst people from other Jews saying terrible things from

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to repeat what I heard from other

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<v Speaker 1>Jews about the Actic community during my career as a

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<v Speaker 1>tour guide, but they were very disturbing to suddenly everyone

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<v Speaker 1>being a fan of nuance and acceptance and embracing all

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<v Speaker 1>stripes of Judaism and Hasidic Jews being cool for the

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<v Speaker 1>moment and Exacidam and Hasidam and all sorts of Orthodox

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<v Speaker 1>Jews being very big proponents on the nice things, the

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<v Speaker 1>positive narratives about that Setic community. When that Actic community

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<v Speaker 1>was ripped to pieces by Tyler Oliverira, who was a terrible, terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible video and an example of bad journalism, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction being like it was with Unorthodox no defense

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<v Speaker 1>and silence and a lot of people enjoying it, the

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<v Speaker 1>entire Jewish community basically was upset by that video, especially

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<v Speaker 1>the Orthodox Jewish community. In the past, the Orthodox Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>community was largely silent about acidic Jews. You made them

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable when you talked about acidic Jews. They didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>They felt like, oh, a city Jews are too much

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<v Speaker 1>and we are just the right amount. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a Hasidic, don't become anything else because you make us

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<v Speaker 1>on come it was a touchy subject. Now a city,

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<v Speaker 1>Jews are the cool kids, and it's all a moment

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<v Speaker 1>of rosiness. When I saw the climate change and my

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<v Speaker 1>work pick up and receive so much. Oh, I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>happy that you're doing positive work. I thought to myself, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a transient moment. Let's see what comes next.

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<v Speaker 1>How will the climate change? Maybe the pendulum will swing back,

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be the debrovelpment error again. Well, life is always surprising,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way it has been changing, in my view,

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<v Speaker 1>has been instead an increasingly anxious climate about talking about

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<v Speaker 1>anything problematic. So it went from only the bad things,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm feeling the climate shift towards let's not talk

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<v Speaker 1>about anything bad. Let's not talk about anything that could

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<v Speaker 1>even be construed as bad. And I think this might

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<v Speaker 1>be where things are headed. But it's definitely something I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already receiving feedback on. And I'm actually, in my own

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<v Speaker 1>life receiving feedback in my own moral mind. My own

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<v Speaker 1>work has become more measured, and I thought, with time,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll become more audacious, and I find myself actually becoming

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<v Speaker 1>more self scrutinizing. What I mean to say is, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look At my early blogs, I talked very comfortably

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<v Speaker 1>about things like head shaving, which is the body of

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<v Speaker 1>overseers zelots who can sow terror in the acidic community.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about these things openly alongside the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they are just a part of that world, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>become more measured when I talk about these things. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what the ethical dilemma is. It's becoming really scary

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about anything because A the climate is changing,

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<v Speaker 1>and B the climate is changing in response to real

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitism, and that means B the viewers are changing

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<v Speaker 1>to a viewership that are taking things and using it

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<v Speaker 1>to reconfirm their biases in the most antisemitic framings. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you an example, the air the line that encircles

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<v Speaker 1>a neighborhood to allow Jews to carry on Shabas. On Shabas,

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews day of rest, you're not allowed to push strollers,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not allowed to carry bags, and that is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the halaris, one of the laws, because on Shabas

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to rest. God rested on the seventh day.

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<v Speaker 1>We're supposed to rest on the seventh day, and resting

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<v Speaker 1>means follow in Orthodoxy, means following a number of halaris.

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<v Speaker 1>In Judaism, action oriented observances is very core and there

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<v Speaker 1>are Lama testiments. They're forty nine laws, and among the

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<v Speaker 1>laws there is the law that you're not allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>carry in a public space. You can carry in a

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<v Speaker 1>private space, but not in a public space. You're also

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to drive a car, and so on and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth, turn on switches. There's a lot of rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Not being allowed to carry in a public space means

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<v Speaker 1>that women can push strollers, and it's very difficult law.

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<v Speaker 1>There is, however, a way of making things easier, which

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<v Speaker 1>is to ask the question what is a private space

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<v Speaker 1>and what is a public space? And to define a

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<v Speaker 1>private space as a space that is encircled. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of laws around the air of. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with them, but essentially an air of is an

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<v Speaker 1>encircling So you have a front yard, you encircle it,

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's considered a private space. This can be

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<v Speaker 1>then used to encircle larger spaces like an entire block,

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<v Speaker 1>or even a neighborhood, or even a borough of the

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<v Speaker 1>Borough of Manhattan, borough of Brooklyn are encircled with that

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<v Speaker 1>line called an air of encircling. This is something that

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<v Speaker 1>was always a rather difficult subject for me to explain,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't like talking about it so much on

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<v Speaker 1>my tours. But it's interesting. It is to me the

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<v Speaker 1>most non controversial subject you can talk about until now.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm nervous to make content about the air of

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<v Speaker 1>Why because I can already see it. Oh, the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>are tricking God again? Here we go, here we go?

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<v Speaker 1>How else do they trick God? So this is the Jew,

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<v Speaker 1>the stereotype of the trickster Jew. Envision yourself that image

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<v Speaker 1>that they love to use. That's the association that I

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<v Speaker 1>have come to make with the air of that anti

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<v Speaker 1>Semites will grab anything that I make about the air

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<v Speaker 1>of and they will say, did you hear about these

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<v Speaker 1>Jews that are thinking they're tricking God? Now? That makes

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<v Speaker 1>me think, should I talk about the air of? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it necessary? Should we not talk about the air? What

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<v Speaker 1>if the Arab is in the news, What if there

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<v Speaker 1>is a debate in the Hasidic community of the air

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<v Speaker 1>of is koshure and having that debate means the lives

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<v Speaker 1>of women who are impacted by the laws of shabas

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<v Speaker 1>are not only women women, men and children are enormously

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<v Speaker 1>impacted by the debate we're having. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>very important to have these conversations. It's very important to

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<v Speaker 1>have these conversations carefully and with nuance. Yet at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, every conversation like this we have becomes fodder.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we shouldn't have a conversation, or or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we should only have it if it's an issue in

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<v Speaker 1>the community. So here's an issue in the community right

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<v Speaker 1>now this moment, the issue of magazines. There are all

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<v Speaker 1>these magazines that have been publishing four years now. They're

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<v Speaker 1>free magazines. They were still around in my childhood. In

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<v Speaker 1>my day, there was just the community connections, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was like the bulletin that came in

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<v Speaker 1>the mail for free. But basically these are free magazines

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<v Speaker 1>that are just at They will put in some recipes

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<v Speaker 1>and pictures of kids, toys, these creations, but it really

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<v Speaker 1>started as just ads. They come to you in the

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<v Speaker 1>mail or you can get them from these magazine containers,

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<v Speaker 1>and people like to keep it in the bathroom to

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<v Speaker 1>browse through. Remember, these people don't have the Internet the

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<v Speaker 1>way we have it, so this is very very like scrolling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like mindless scrolling. You mindlessly look through the ads,

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<v Speaker 1>and the companies of these magazines fund themselves through the ads.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been watching these ads get increasingly ostentatious and materialistic,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm not a fan of. And one of my

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<v Speaker 1>first long form videos on my channel, we're actually looking

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<v Speaker 1>through the community connections and remarking on that. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I was remarking on how amazing it is that the

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<v Speaker 1>city community is rising in comfort levels after being such

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<v Speaker 1>a starter community. It's really a community that is an

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<v Speaker 1>immigration success story, and that was something that I remarked

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<v Speaker 1>on in a climate in which everyone was saying they're

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<v Speaker 1>illiterate and they don't and they can't work. So at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, the way that comment was seen was, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>look at them. They actually are not the way the

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<v Speaker 1>simple way that you're framing them. But now the way

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<v Speaker 1>it's being received in the current climate is totally differently

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<v Speaker 1>because now the Jews or no one cares anymore if

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<v Speaker 1>the if the Hasidic Jews are not educated and are poor,

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<v Speaker 1>now they're the villains that are. It's very painful to

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say the words. But back to

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<v Speaker 1>these freebie magazines, I have been interested in them for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, and I've been watching them and looking

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<v Speaker 1>at them, and I've been noticing how worldly they're getting.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been noticing they've been to me good artifact that

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<v Speaker 1>gives an example of how worldly the acidic community is getting.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I have an artifact a hasidic kid's rule

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<v Speaker 1>book for the school, for the sottomore school, that is

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<v Speaker 1>an artifact of how extreme or draconian rule based it

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<v Speaker 1>can be. That is a pull in one direction. On

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<v Speaker 1>the other side, there is a pull in another direction.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a pull towards these magazines. In the middle, there

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<v Speaker 1>are people just living their lives. They're following the rules,

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<v Speaker 1>they're enjoying the trends. You know, if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the middle, you understand people who are navigating life. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not extremists. They're not living these oppressive Dracronian rules, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not living this non stob materialism. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>take it all in context, and all of these artifacts

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<v Speaker 1>interest me. They create the institutions through which people are

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<v Speaker 1>doing normal life like you and me. This particular secular

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<v Speaker 1>this particular free magazine or set of free magazine is

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<v Speaker 1>now the subject of a zealous campaign from I am

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<v Speaker 1>told dis Almali faction of the Southmore sect to cancel

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<v Speaker 1>the magazines. And this reveals the bullish behavior of the

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<v Speaker 1>extremists in the community. I have been told that the

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<v Speaker 1>extremists of not just hung posters everywhere decrying these magazines,

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<v Speaker 1>which by the way, are the livelihoods of quite a

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<v Speaker 1>few people who are not in a position to show

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<v Speaker 1>their faces and fight back, but also they went to

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<v Speaker 1>all the containers and emptied them out and threw the

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<v Speaker 1>magazines out, so created serious financial harm to the people involved.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that this happened. I only heard it

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<v Speaker 1>from people. But I went to check a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of magazine containers and they were all empty, so on

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<v Speaker 1>that grounds I corroborated it. So do I talk about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I talk about this in the past? Of course

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<v Speaker 1>I would talk about this. I've talked about it in

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<v Speaker 1>many contexts. I talk about it, and for me, my

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<v Speaker 1>personal bias is I don't like the people who do

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<v Speaker 1>this bullish things. They terrorize you. They're bullies. But those

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<v Speaker 1>people are one faction, they are one set of They're

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<v Speaker 1>a minority. They're a minority. Most people actually are either

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<v Speaker 1>indifferent or feel terrorized by them. When I represent the

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<v Speaker 1>extremist minority or the modern minority, it's a minority. What

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<v Speaker 1>I hope for you to understand is that somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle, there are people who are living life, grief

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<v Speaker 1>and joy and family and finding a way to thrive

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<v Speaker 1>as best as they can without this being the defining

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<v Speaker 1>factor of their lives. It's a defining factor if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a zealous or if you're coming across those zealots. In

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<v Speaker 1>my own work, I feel like I'm from a place

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<v Speaker 1>of love. I feel I love New York City. I

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<v Speaker 1>love gritty, grimy, real cultures. I love cultures that are

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<v Speaker 1>not like I'm in Park Slope all the time. Great.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Park Slope. It's full of corporate chains, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not full of mom and pop shop life. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean area, Chinatown, the places where people live, Brighton Beach,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cidic community. I have such a great love for

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<v Speaker 1>the city community because they're my people. It's me, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>one of them. But I love in general communities, and

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<v Speaker 1>I make my work from that place of love for societies.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel it's great to share that love. But my

462
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<v Speaker 1>love is not for the rules it's not for the rabbi,

463
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<v Speaker 1>it's not for the zealots. It's for the everyday people.

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<v Speaker 1>And those everyday people are not perfect and are not

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<v Speaker 1>things that their world is perfect. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you're showing love when you tell a story where that

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<v Speaker 1>world is perfect. Here is a community that is perfect.

468
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<v Speaker 1>It's loving, kindness and has said in everything, very nice,

469
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<v Speaker 1>very nice. The people who are navigating these these tricky

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<v Speaker 1>lines in life in order to express individuality and fit

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<v Speaker 1>into a really conformist world, I don't know that they

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<v Speaker 1>are being seen in this narrative. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>you're telling their story. To me that is not a

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<v Speaker 1>positive story to me, that is not coming from a

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<v Speaker 1>place of love, That is coming from a place of

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<v Speaker 1>dehumanization and lack of understanding outsiderness. The ability to speak

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<v Speaker 1>to the negative is to me the way to tell

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<v Speaker 1>a positive story if it's told correctly. However, However, that

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<v Speaker 1>being my work king motto and my ethical guideline, I

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<v Speaker 1>still make decisions every day about what's negative too much

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<v Speaker 1>that it will paint like discolor everything, and what's the

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<v Speaker 1>right amount of contextualization. I don't want to like overapologize.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a line I'm constantly walking alongside. That

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<v Speaker 1>is my self interest of trying to reach an audience

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<v Speaker 1>in a climate where I feel like you're wading through

486
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<v Speaker 1>an enormous amount of content and competition is like the

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard. It's hard to reach an audience. So I

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<v Speaker 1>started out just doing long form, and now I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>these short forms that are supposed to be like. The

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<v Speaker 1>amount of learning I had to do to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>psychology of short form and how to hack that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a whole education itself. I loved it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very challenging, but it also required learning tricks of attention

494
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<v Speaker 1>grabbing that I'm not so one thousand percent sure about.

495
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<v Speaker 1>When I took over my thumbnails from my editor, I

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<v Speaker 1>started to do them on my own. About a year

497
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<v Speaker 1>or two in, I learned how thumbnail psychology works. It's

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing. You're essentially learning how the human brain processes

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<v Speaker 1>information in milliseconds when confronted with a bunch of inputs,

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<v Speaker 1>and which input is most likely going to spark their attention.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a whole bunch of things, we have

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<v Speaker 1>limited attention. Where is the attention going to target? And

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00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to make yourself the target. Wow, that was

504
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.400
<v Speaker 1>really eye opening. I love doing it. I loved playing

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<v Speaker 1>with different thumbnails and learning oh this works, this doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I got a little bit enthusiastic. And my

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<v Speaker 1>son was not a fan. He's in fact been my

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<v Speaker 1>biggest critic. I'm going to make a video about that.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point filmed did I just need to publish it?

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<v Speaker 1>But essentially I would say, ma, mom, I'm disappointed in you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, see, this is a call I'm making.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not one thousand percent sure. I'm constantly making these calls.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I make a call, I'm not one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>percent Surrey. And I go on my comments and someone

515
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<v Speaker 1>is like, I'm disappointed in you. Boom, You've just activated

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<v Speaker 1>the little niggle in my mind that was already disappointed

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<v Speaker 1>in myself. But you know what, at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to survive. People don't realize there's no money

519
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>in many of these videos. A lot of interviews I spend,

520
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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, fifty hours putting together. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even tell you how much goes into an interview. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes seventy dollars. I'm not exaggerating. And I also spend

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<v Speaker 1>on production I spend on software. I make zero money,

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<v Speaker 1>so I want to see it make a living. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be able to keep doing it. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've made some decisions along the way that I was like,

527
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<v Speaker 1>h freedom, Maybe you're losing your moral Maybe you're getting

528
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.840
<v Speaker 1>carried away and greedy and losing your moral center. I've

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<v Speaker 1>asked myself this question a million times, and when people

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<v Speaker 1>say it, it is a big punch in the gut

531
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, maybe, maybe, And I have bypassed so

532
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 1>many opportunities in my life, so many because I sat

533
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<v Speaker 1>at that maybe and I said m. And at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>every single thing I publish I run by other people

535
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>because that maybe is difficult to know. Maybe maybe I'm

536
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:44.280
<v Speaker 1>too careful, maybe I'm being hyper vigilant. But at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe is something that I'm finding is requiring more

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<v Speaker 1>and more courage of me. More and more I feel like,

539
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<v Speaker 1>you know what, let's not talk about anything, because look,

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<v Speaker 1>if anti Semites use the Sile as an opportunity to

541
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 1>reconfirm their narratives, I'm not to blame. But if they

542
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>use my content to say, see, the Jews are tricking God,

543
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>then I'm to blame. So selfishly. Let me opt out.

544
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Let me opt out, so at least I can sleep

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<v Speaker 1>with a clean conscience. And I have to tell myself, no,

546
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<v Speaker 1>that is not the right reason, that is selfish. I

547
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>don't believe in that. I believe journalism is important. Documenting

548
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 1>is important, historical storytelling is important. Silence is not the solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Having a conversation remains necessary. That's the line I draw

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<v Speaker 1>when people say we shouldn't be documenting them, I disagree. No,

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<v Speaker 1>my moral line you have different morals than me. My

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<v Speaker 1>moral line is we should. Yes, we should, with care,

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<v Speaker 1>with care. It is always important to do journalism with

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<v Speaker 1>care in order for the story to transmit correctly, not

555
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<v Speaker 1>to manipulate, but because there's an accurate story that you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to tell. And to tell the story accurately, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to walk a very very fine line of with

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<v Speaker 1>discretion selecting information, just like a museum curates right. If

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<v Speaker 1>a museum will take only all bad images, if it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't tell a story very carefully, the people will not

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<v Speaker 1>hear the truth. So telling the truth requires editorial discretion

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<v Speaker 1>that I believe in, and I am juggling at this

563
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<v Speaker 1>point that editorial discretion with losing courage, more pressure for

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<v Speaker 1>me to take risks to stay in the game, so

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<v Speaker 1>to speak, and at the same time more fear of

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<v Speaker 1>how this kind of work is going to be exploited.

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<v Speaker 1>So I really felt like unpacking this because unpacking is

568
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<v Speaker 1>my way of functioning, of coping, of gaining clarity. And

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you hearing me out and walking with

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<v Speaker 1>me through this. I'm not asking for validation. I'm not

571
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<v Speaker 1>asking for cheerleading. Rah rah rah, You're doing the right thing.

572
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<v Speaker 1>I'm asking for support in thinking through the moral conundrum

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<v Speaker 1>in gentle guidance. Freeda, this, maybe let's think about if

574
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<v Speaker 1>this is too far Freedda here, you need to have courage,

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<v Speaker 1>You need to talk about X. We need to have

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<v Speaker 1>certain conversations, We need to be willing to have conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>What if the climate becomes such that the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>Jews want to allow us to want to see discussed

579
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<v Speaker 1>are the good things, Like with the climate on Zionism,

580
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<v Speaker 1>I would say at this point, Jews do not want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk openly about anti Zionism in religious Judaism or

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<v Speaker 1>writ large. What happens when that becomes the climate? How

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<v Speaker 1>do we handle that? Where is the line and how

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<v Speaker 1>do we gain the courage to keep to that line

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<v Speaker 1>when people are like, it's your fault that there are

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semites, it's your fault that there is an attack

587
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<v Speaker 1>on Jews, It's your fault of what's going on out there.

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<v Speaker 1>This is to me a very important question and conversation

589
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to have right now, and it leaves me thinking about

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00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>so many different things. What should we cover, what should

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<v Speaker 1>we not? And I invite you to give me your

592
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:59.119
<v Speaker 1>honest feedback along the way, to think about it from

593
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<v Speaker 1>my philosophy and to help me navigate it from that place,

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<v Speaker 1>and also to contribute, to contribute your own perspectives. I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned so much from comments and other content creators who

596
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<v Speaker 1>have a similar philosophy of courage and integrity and truthful storytelling,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we should do more of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>not less, but we should do it alongside conversations of

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<v Speaker 1>the ethics of journalism. This was very long. When I

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<v Speaker 1>sat down here, I was really out of it, and

601
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<v Speaker 1>I said to myself, I don't think I have it

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<v Speaker 1>in me to talk this out, and I have to

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00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.360
<v Speaker 1>listen back to this and see if I am going

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<v Speaker 1>to publish it, because I don't know if I'm coherent,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you're still with me right now, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for listening. Bye bye,
