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changed the poster, but I think the movie is still

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called Thunderbolts. Let me see it's still called Thunderbolts, but

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the poster says new Avengers. Taylor, did you think this

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happened Monday? So luckily you'd seen it for that? Do

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you think this is a good idea of marketing wise?

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into it?

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Speaker 2: Or you are you personally offended that they spoiled the

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movie and stuff like that, Like what do you think

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still Thunderbolts, and yeah, that's what I thought, because I

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saw all the people being like, oh, they're gonna change.

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Speaker 1: It's like you go first day there and I'll say

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Speaker 3: I do get bothered at how movies are quick to

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release things because for the most part, like yeah, we

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doing this podcast, we see a movie usually Thursday night,

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and that come that weekend by Sunday, Saturday. Even a

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lot of people online have spoiled it and they're posting

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actual like clips from the movies on social media all

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this kind of stuff. But then you know that's just people.

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first weekend, so some of them are waiting to see

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it like the following weekend or something like that. It's

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just it blows my mind, blows my mind on how

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bold of a strategy that is. That being said, I

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like what they were doing, and I liked how Sebastian

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and taking it and that was definitely a lot of fun.

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of him doing what he was doing. Then you drop

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that link in our chat of him doing it. I

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was like, Oh, that's sort of coincidence. But yeah, I

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like that they've done the name change, and I think

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in retrospect that that would actually pull in a lot

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more people, because I think a lot of people will

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let's that's what Let's see what this is? What's going

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have you seen any spoilers from Thunderbolts? Okay, so she

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did see that thing, So there you go. I was

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just wondering if, like how many people see this and

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but like how many people like one way or another

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doesn't really sell them or not.

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want to get those they already have opening weekends. They're big,

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but they want them to be bigger. I think them

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dropping that on the Monday is trying to tell people like, hey,

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days too bad? Sorry, you know, And I think it

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it's to the point where it's gonna like, oh man,

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this is gonna make it a huge profitable movie.

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non billion dollars Avengers movie this and that it's like, No,

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kind of paying them as losers, right, Like I think

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see it specific training field to see all Marvel movies.

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no specific things on the era, on the character, so

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Speaker 1: Should you? Or Secret Wars?

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Speaker 2: Should you just say goodbye to all multiverse characters for

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for anything until after Secret Wars? Is that okay, he'll

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bad press, but I'm working on another Deadpool movie, you know,

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doing like an x Men movie and putting characters into

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that as the ensemble, because like, are you just doing

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a single Deadpool movie? Are you gonna be bringing one

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of those characters over into it like a collaboration, co

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op thing like we did with Wolverine?

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Speaker 1: Like you asking my opinion?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I thought you were asked rhetorically, Like.

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Speaker 1: I really don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just Deadpool's such a tricky thing because to me,

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with the new X Men, I don't know if I

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really want Deadpool around them right now. But I realize

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that Ryan Rails is getting older, and I'm assuming because

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Howl is he he's like forty six forty seven, right.

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Speaker 3: Can you look at that for me, Like he's late forties.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, does he want to be in

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a Deadpool suit in his fifties forty eight? He's twenty eight,

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so that's.

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Speaker 2: Two years, Like five time Secret Wars is done, he'll

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be fifty. It's like, does he want to be And

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don't get me wrong, there's some fun jokes they can

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do like an old man like Deadpool and stuff. But

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so maybe that's the idea. I don't know, so be

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cause like again, like the natural thing is oh easy.

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You just get his gambit, you hat Colossus, you can

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bring back Domino, and you could do Cable. They didn't

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do Cable right, he was nowhere to be seen in

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dead Woo Wolverine, like you could do like a mini

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exports like and that does interest me to a point.

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Don't get me wrong. I've been void all the Deadpool movies.

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I think I've all given them high ratings. They just

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like it feels odd timing, and it would just feel

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also odd if it's like Secret Wars is the end

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of the multiverse and here's your one universe.

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Speaker 1: But then guess what Deadpool's doing with Channing Tames gambit.

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Because I I'm hoping that Channing tames Gambit is not

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our gambit, you know, like when we get to the.

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Speaker 2: Mcux men, like I don't want him to be going forward,

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so and then again him with the New X Men

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feels kind of odd, like I'd much rather, you know,

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him be with Spider Man or him or even just

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do him and Wolverine again doing some sort of thing.

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I I really don't know. Do you have a preference

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for which way you'd go?

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Speaker 3: I mean with Gambit, like.

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Speaker 2: No, just Deadpool, Like, would you rather if they say, hey,

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you could do it's gonna be the Legacy X Men

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or the new MCUK like the like let's say it's

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like Margaret Quaal and Haert Dickinson like those people, Like

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what what do you view better?

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Speaker 3: If I had to pick, I'd say it would be

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a great Well. I always defer to the Force Awakens

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kind of scenario here where they didn't include Luke, because

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if you included Luke too early on, then it's gonna

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pull the attention away from all the other characters. But

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at the same time, I think you just gotta you

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gotta brace yourself and coax yourself into it slowly. I

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think if they use Deadpool. Everyone's gonna be going there

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for Deadpool, obviously, but you could maybe use Deadpool to

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kind of bridge the fandom and the viewership into getting

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to know these new characters. At the end of the day,

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if it had to be Axpen, then fine, whatever. But

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if I could pick, I'd prefer it to be another team.

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that'd be freaking hilarious. And I think Deadpool opens up

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a whole Like when you've spent so many years with

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the character like Iron Men, and you think you already

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know this character inside and out through their tribulations and

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the movies and everything that we've seen. You throw Deadpool

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in there. It changes everything and you get a total

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different light of this character. So I think that they

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should hopefully lean away from the X Men, even though

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Deadpool is heavily attached to the X Men.

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Speaker 2: I get that that's what he's writing apparently, is that's

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what Reynolds is writing script right now, is him and

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other mutants.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, then maybe what would be a good if

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I had to pick one mutant? I don't need I

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think a lot of people would want him in gambit.

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I don't need him in gambit. I'd say him and

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we've got Wolverine, so him and hmm.

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Speaker 1: The script though has three to four. That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Supposedly, it's not just like him in a partner, it's

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him and multiple people. And that's where it's like, I

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don't know if like, because my idea pitch would be, oh, well.

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Speaker 3: It's dead Loss, a bunch of yeah, a megasnic teenage warhead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then that's just Deadpool four, Like that's just what

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and that's the thing. It's like, you can't do that.

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with a bunch of seated D tier listers, But I

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don't think they'd want that because then that would just

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be people waiting to see Deadpool's movie. And also we

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have to wait until we see who our X Men

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lineup is. But I imagine like Storms got gene or gonna

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be in there, and I don't really see Deadpool there,

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agree if it's Tatum's gambit, but I like if it's

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if it's not, which I don't want to be. If

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Channing does not go forward after Secret Wars, I don't

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want Gambit anywhere near Deadpool because I don't want gambuted.

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goof like like like he's not goofy. I'll say, like

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Channing Tatum's Gambit is right, so yeah that thing, but

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like Detail says like, oh, definitely Channing. But again it's

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like I thought Secret Wars was supposed to be the

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Speaker 1: The multiverse stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't hate the multiverse like other people. If you

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look at their biggest movies Multiverse of Madness, No Way Home, Deadpool, Wilverine.

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When people say, oh, the multiverse SOAKA really hasn't worked.

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like you hardcore people, for the general audience, those are

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the biggest movies of this since Endgames. People like the

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multiverse stuff, right, So I'm not opposing. It just feels

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like if Secret Wars is to okay, we're gonna condense

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the timelines and we're gonna get F four together and

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that's how we're gonna explain the X Men, it would

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just feel weird to kind of have like a goodbye

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maybe to some of these characters and make oh they're

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right back, unless there's some world where this comes out

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before Secret Wars, because maybe Secret Wars gets delayed or

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something like that.

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Speaker 1: But I just I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So I think they're past that now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: But they haven't started shooting Secret Wars, right, They're only

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shooting Doomsday right now.

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Speaker 1: That's so. Yeah, there could be.

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Speaker 2: A situation where maybe they just go, we want some

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more time, And I don't know. It kind of feels

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like to me if like imagine when James Gunn took

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over and the Flash made.

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Speaker 1: A billion and you're like, well, what do we do? Right?

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Speaker 2: Difference is like I love Deadpool still on round, but

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it's it's like Deadpool didn't really fit to come in

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when he did.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: But that's why if you look at that movie, they're

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completely other than like the Void an other things. They're

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completely by themselves. Right, it's not Deadpool over youre trying

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to get the MZO. They're just dealing with other folks

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and Sony properties that doesn't really know it could so

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maybe something like that where it's just like completely nothing

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to do with like the main timeline and just something

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for fun. This is where I would love it if

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Marvel had like a black label or an Elseworld's like

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film chain, where it's like, hey, we're gonna do Deadpool

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movie with him some X Men has nothing to do

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with Cannon. You guys just love Deadpool. He he makes jokes

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about that good you know, so