Speaker 1: Yeah, earlier this week they changed I don't know if
it's gonna be this way for the title.
Speaker 2: Even when I look on my ticking buying thing they
changed the poster, but I think the movie is still
called Thunderbolts. Let me see it's still called Thunderbolts, but
the poster says new Avengers. Taylor, did you think this
happened Monday? So luckily you'd seen it for that? Do
you think this is a good idea of marketing wise?
Do you think this is gonna work out? Do you
think this would.
Speaker 1: Make people that didn't see it the week one go
into it?
Speaker 2: Or you are you personally offended that they spoiled the
movie and stuff like that, Like what do you think
about this? I think they said the official tye of
still Thunderbolts, and yeah, that's what I thought, because I
saw all the people being like, oh, they're gonna change.
Speaker 1: It's like you go first day there and I'll say
something after.
Speaker 3: I do get bothered at how movies are quick to
release things because for the most part, like yeah, we
doing this podcast, we see a movie usually Thursday night,
and that come that weekend by Sunday, Saturday. Even a
lot of people online have spoiled it and they're posting
actual like clips from the movies on social media all
this kind of stuff. But then you know that's just people.
You can avoid people. But then when you see on
Monday in the morning the actual official Marvel and Disney
pages are sharing videos and like updates and all this
kind of stuff, and it's like, what is going on.
Not everyone in the world is seeing your movies the
first weekend, so some of them are waiting to see
it like the following weekend or something like that. It's
just it blows my mind, blows my mind on how
bold of a strategy that is. That being said, I
like what they were doing, and I liked how Sebastian
stan was doing some gorilla marketing and just going out
and taking it and that was definitely a lot of fun.
And I was funny because I was watching the video
of him doing what he was doing. Then you drop
that link in our chat of him doing it. I
was like, Oh, that's sort of coincidence. But yeah, I
like that they've done the name change, and I think
in retrospect that that would actually pull in a lot
more people, because I think a lot of people will
be like, oh, what like new Avengers movie? Oh my god,
let's that's what Let's see what this is? What's going
on here?
Speaker 2: So yeah, for me, like clearly something I had planned
because they had all those posters, all these things ready
to go.
Speaker 1: For the week after.
Speaker 2: It's tough when you get into the whole like, oh
are people like are you ruining for people like like
I don't know, Hang on one second, Emily, have you
have you seen any spoilers from Thunderbolts? Okay, so she
did see that thing, So there you go. I was
just wondering if, like how many people see this and
like I don't think an really cares too much about it,
but like how many people like one way or another
doesn't really sell them or not.
Speaker 1: I think it's something that they want to.
Speaker 2: Going into doomsday, especially Fantastic four as well, Like they
want to get those they already have opening weekends. They're big,
but they want them to be bigger. I think them
dropping that on the Monday is trying to tell people like, hey,
if you really don't want to be spoiled, you better
get your ass there first thing to watch it, right,
So it's almost like snooze you lose you got four
days too bad? Sorry, you know, And I think it
will push a little more people, but I don't think
it's to the point where it's gonna like, oh man,
this is gonna make it a huge profitable movie.
Speaker 1: Like I think if anything in the word or mouth
will still help.
Speaker 2: But clearly, like I said, this was a plan because
like they didn't like see the box office numbers on
Sunday and then call Sam and be like, hey, Monday morning,
you're getting out there and putting posters on the street.
To me, what I liked about is that kind of
fit with the movie, right, because that's how it's like
all just sporadically thrown together that the new Avengers. Right,
So that's what this felt like marketing wise, like oh,
let's make it almost like the movie real World, where okay,
yeah this is Avengers not Thunderbolts, blah blah.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think anybody really believes this, And I think when the
actual vendors movie gets the pre like, I don't think
this is gonna hurt because I seem to be like,
oh man, they're throwing the Avengers title on here. First,
non billion dollars Avengers movie this and that it's like, No,
I don't think that's the point. I think people will
still understand the idea of the real Avengers. And that
also it's just like most of the Thunder trailers, they're
kind of paying them as losers, right, Like I think
most people with half of Rain, if they're really in
the combox stuff, we'll kind of get it. Like even
when the titles they are the new Avengers, there's still
an asterix on it, so I think and again that
doesn't that's not what is great about the movie. And
the movie's not even about that. That's just like a
small addendum. The movie's about all what the characters go through.
Speaker 1: So will work?
Speaker 2: I think you gotta try because they think they're in
the day and age where they're just box office is
so tough, you never know what's gonna hit, and they
just want to make as much money as possible. So
would you ask me, would this get more people?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: I think people for the most part had decided if
they're gonna see it or not. I think most people
decide that nowadays with movies in general, I think sure
there's some that are walking Like with Minecraft, I'm sure
some people went to go see it that didn't plan
it because it was like kind of a phenomenon.
Speaker 1: There's some like fun.
Speaker 2: Stuff about it, right happened or like Barbenheimer same thing, right,
like all let's go see them together. But for the
most time, I think people see trailers and they know
right away if that's at home watch or a theater,
even thout knowing the quality like you have to get
like a universal praise made for people to go and
be Okay, I'm I'm really gonna see like a dune too,
And that had like such a big jump.
Speaker 1: For the first one, so yeah, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'm interesting. As a second weekend goes, there's not much tracking
out there. I hope it held well because, like I said,
I want a sequel, but I don't know if we're
gonna get that if Jake Shreer is doing X Men.
But I hope see these characters around there, so let's
see it specific training field to see all Marvel movies.
The first weekend, they drop a clip of the Earth
exploading Tuesday after Fantastic four. Yeah, that'd be something well,
And that was the thing I can't remember during endgame.
I think it was the RUSS was in her interview,
were asked by something like, oh, what's the spoiler? You know,
like timeframe like when we can start dropping it, and
they are like two weeks.
Speaker 1: Everyone kept that we're not on an age anymore. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like two weeks is turned into four days. And
that's thing like you said to when I got home,
like I read saw the end credits were already on
Twitter all over for Thunder.
Speaker 1: So it's like that same thing. It's like that's who oh,
it's bad. This is where, you know what.
Speaker 2: Another thing where I think it's a good idea and
I'll completely land on that side is the chairs stuff
right with and Avengers Doomsday.
Speaker 1: They did that because a bunch of Scoopers.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find that out first, and you're gonna get
set photos real or not. You're gonna get people flying there.
So it's like instead of those Scoopers getting the moment
for themselves, let's do it themselves.
Speaker 1: So awesome.
Speaker 2: There's still people that night of post the thunderbolts and
credits scene. There's some big stuff going on in all them.
But then with this it's like, well Monday, they know
it's gonna be out there anyways, right, so people like, oh,
I can't believe they'd spoiled. This is like eventually people
are gonna talk about it, Facebook, everything, So it's like
a let's just do it and we can throw it
as actual promotion and marketing. So I know, we'll see
what happens come next weekend and see if it works
if it didn't, because if it held, if it held, well,
I know people are gonna be like, oh, look, that's the reason.
If it doesn't, they oh, look that's the reason. But
I don't think it's that. I think it's the word
of mouth of anything. Will be people going back for
a second time or telling people we'll go see it
because I'm somebody we just don't have the time right now.
But I would see it the second time, you know,
because that's how I liked and I think there's other
people that would. So yeah, well let's say an I break,
we're gonna talk about some other stuff, so'll be right.
Speaker 1: Back and we're back. So let's see did I have
on the right spot. I think I did have in
the right spot. Uh yeah, let's talk about this.
Speaker 2: Supposedly Ryan Reynolds writing a Deadpool an X Men team up,
no specific things on the era, on the character, so
whether that be Fox X Men or the new mcux men.
Speaker 1: The idea is that it's just three to four.
Speaker 2: The article, which that's why it's weird, said that he
hasn't pitched the idea to Marvel yet, but if this
article's out, he's he's talked to Marvel about the idea.
So I don't know if it's like I know, some
people theorize that he's trying to get some good press
for the bad press I've gone. I don't know if
it's something like he's just trying to get other things
in motion, or maybe they were not wanting it so
he's putting it out there, or it is just like
a it just slept through the crap. This up to
the crabs, let's.
Speaker 1: Slip through the cracks. And it is something they're working on.
But obviously we imagine we're gonna see him in.
Speaker 2: Like Doomsday or Secret Wars. But how would you feel
about this, Taylor? As far as like a Deadpool movie
with a few X Men, like is this there? And
the idea is it would be a supporting role. Because
Ryan also said that I don't think there's gonna be
an actual Deadpool four, he says, kind of going forward,
he wants to probably do like what Toby Andrew do you
where you know, is a supporting character and stuff, but
it's never a Deadpool movie.
Speaker 1: Does that interest you? Does it interest you?
Speaker 2: As far as is the route they should go, as
far as should be Fox X Men again, or is
that after Doomsday?
Speaker 1: Should you? Or Secret Wars?
Speaker 2: Should you just say goodbye to all multiverse characters for
a while and it should be Deadpool with our.
Speaker 1: New X Men?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What are you feeling this?
Speaker 2: Because this was very random because I thought, I honestly
thought we'd not hear anything about a Deadpool related movie
for anything until after Secret Wars? Is that okay, he'll
come there, he'll make it an appearance, him and he
will be together, and then we'll hear some other stuff.
But to hear about this now, it feels like kind
of weird timing to me, Which is that why people
theorized that?
Speaker 1: Is this maybe his camp putting it out there?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I'm uh, you know, I know there's some
bad press, but I'm working on another Deadpool movie, you know,
So what do you think about this?
Speaker 3: I think I mean another Deadpool movie. That's I mean,
he's got he's got the money to back. I mean,
it's such a popular franchise and people people would want
that for sure.
Speaker 1: I would say, billion, do our last movie, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill and our last movie. So that's that's a big,
heavy hitter, and it shows that they're doing something right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I don't know, like are we I
feel like this touches upon like them doing an X
Men movie and like picking certain characters instead of just
doing like an x Men movie and putting characters into
that as the ensemble, because like, are you just doing
a single Deadpool movie? Are you gonna be bringing one
of those characters over into it like a collaboration, co
op thing like we did with Wolverine?
Speaker 1: Like you asking my opinion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I thought you were asked rhetorically, Like.
Speaker 1: I really don't know.
Speaker 2: I just Deadpool's such a tricky thing because to me,
with the new X Men, I don't know if I
really want Deadpool around them right now. But I realize
that Ryan Rails is getting older, and I'm assuming because
Howl is he he's like forty six forty seven, right.
Speaker 3: Can you look at that for me, Like he's late forties.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, does he want to be in
a Deadpool suit in his fifties forty eight? He's twenty eight,
so that's.
Speaker 2: Two years, Like five time Secret Wars is done, he'll
be fifty. It's like, does he want to be And
don't get me wrong, there's some fun jokes they can
do like an old man like Deadpool and stuff. But
so maybe that's the idea. I don't know, so be
cause like again, like the natural thing is oh easy.
You just get his gambit, you hat Colossus, you can
bring back Domino, and you could do Cable. They didn't
do Cable right, he was nowhere to be seen in
dead Woo Wolverine, like you could do like a mini
exports like and that does interest me to a point.
Don't get me wrong. I've been void all the Deadpool movies.
I think I've all given them high ratings. They just
like it feels odd timing, and it would just feel
also odd if it's like Secret Wars is the end
of the multiverse and here's your one universe.
Speaker 1: But then guess what Deadpool's doing with Channing Tames gambit.
Because I I'm hoping that Channing tames Gambit is not
our gambit, you know, like when we get to the.
Speaker 2: Mcux men, like I don't want him to be going forward,
so and then again him with the New X Men
feels kind of odd, like I'd much rather, you know,
him be with Spider Man or him or even just
do him and Wolverine again doing some sort of thing.
I I really don't know. Do you have a preference
for which way you'd go?
Speaker 3: I mean with Gambit, like.
Speaker 2: No, just Deadpool, Like, would you rather if they say, hey,
you could do it's gonna be the Legacy X Men
or the new MCUK like the like let's say it's
like Margaret Quaal and Haert Dickinson like those people, Like
what what do you view better?
Speaker 3: If I had to pick, I'd say it would be
a great Well. I always defer to the Force Awakens
kind of scenario here where they didn't include Luke, because
if you included Luke too early on, then it's gonna
pull the attention away from all the other characters. But
at the same time, I think you just gotta you
gotta brace yourself and coax yourself into it slowly. I
think if they use Deadpool. Everyone's gonna be going there
for Deadpool, obviously, but you could maybe use Deadpool to
kind of bridge the fandom and the viewership into getting
to know these new characters. At the end of the day,
if it had to be Axpen, then fine, whatever. But
if I could pick, I'd prefer it to be another team.
And if you were to have Deadpool and like the Thunderbolts,
that'd be freaking hilarious. And I think Deadpool opens up
a whole Like when you've spent so many years with
the character like Iron Men, and you think you already
know this character inside and out through their tribulations and
the movies and everything that we've seen. You throw Deadpool
in there. It changes everything and you get a total
different light of this character. So I think that they
should hopefully lean away from the X Men, even though
Deadpool is heavily attached to the X Men.
Speaker 2: I get that that's what he's writing apparently, is that's
what Reynolds is writing script right now, is him and
other mutants.
Speaker 3: So yeah, then maybe what would be a good if
I had to pick one mutant? I don't need I
think a lot of people would want him in gambit.
I don't need him in gambit. I'd say him and
we've got Wolverine, so him and hmm.
Speaker 1: The script though has three to four. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Supposedly, it's not just like him in a partner, it's
him and multiple people. And that's where it's like, I
don't know if like, because my idea pitch would be, oh, well.
Speaker 3: It's dead Loss, a bunch of yeah, a megasnic teenage warhead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then that's just Deadpool four, Like that's just what
and that's the thing. It's like, you can't do that.
And then for me, I'd go, Okay, we'll put him
with a bunch of seated D tier listers, But I
don't think they'd want that because then that would just
be people waiting to see Deadpool's movie. And also we
have to wait until we see who our X Men
lineup is. But I imagine like Storms got gene or gonna
be in there, and I don't really see Deadpool there,
And Detail says like you have to have gambit. I
agree if it's Tatum's gambit, but I like if it's
if it's not, which I don't want to be. If
Channing does not go forward after Secret Wars, I don't
want Gambit anywhere near Deadpool because I don't want gambuted.
Like gamb it's like comedic character, but he's not a
goof like like like he's not goofy. I'll say, like
Channing Tatum's Gambit is right, so yeah that thing, but
like Detail says like, oh, definitely Channing. But again it's
like I thought Secret Wars was supposed to be the
end of.
Speaker 1: The multiverse stuff, right.
Speaker 2: I don't hate the multiverse like other people. If you
look at their biggest movies Multiverse of Madness, No Way Home, Deadpool, Wilverine.
When people say, oh, the multiverse SOAKA really hasn't worked.
Yeah for us, like not, I mean for me, for
like you hardcore people, for the general audience, those are
the biggest movies of this since Endgames. People like the
multiverse stuff, right, So I'm not opposing. It just feels
like if Secret Wars is to okay, we're gonna condense
the timelines and we're gonna get F four together and
that's how we're gonna explain the X Men, it would
just feel weird to kind of have like a goodbye
maybe to some of these characters and make oh they're
right back, unless there's some world where this comes out
before Secret Wars, because maybe Secret Wars gets delayed or
something like that.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: So I think they're past that now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: But they haven't started shooting Secret Wars, right, They're only
shooting Doomsday right now.
Speaker 1: That's so. Yeah, there could be.
Speaker 2: A situation where maybe they just go, we want some
more time, And I don't know. It kind of feels
like to me if like imagine when James Gunn took
over and the Flash made.
Speaker 1: A billion and you're like, well, what do we do? Right?
Speaker 2: Difference is like I love Deadpool still on round, but
it's it's like Deadpool didn't really fit to come in
when he did.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: But that's why if you look at that movie, they're
completely other than like the Void an other things. They're
completely by themselves. Right, it's not Deadpool over youre trying
to get the MZO. They're just dealing with other folks
and Sony properties that doesn't really know it could so
maybe something like that where it's just like completely nothing
to do with like the main timeline and just something
for fun. This is where I would love it if
Marvel had like a black label or an Elseworld's like
film chain, where it's like, hey, we're gonna do Deadpool
movie with him some X Men has nothing to do
with Cannon. You guys just love Deadpool. He he makes jokes
about that good you know, so