Speaker 1: You know what my favorite kind of movie is is
Speaker 1: the is the generic action blockbuster that clearly doesn't have
Speaker 1: sequel potential.
Speaker 2: That is your favorite kind of movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, honest to God. And I'll say this, I
Speaker 1: mean this from the bottom of my heart. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all time is Four Brothers because
Speaker 1: you go into it. I saw it in theaters. I
Speaker 1: felt like my heart was beating a mile a minute.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you my Four Brothers. Yeah, hit me
Speaker 2: with this. Okay, so I'm in this. Obviously, not a
Speaker 2: lot of people like this is not like a big
Speaker 2: budget no you know film.
Speaker 1: No. I think my friends and I were the only
Speaker 1: people in the theater.
Speaker 2: I want to come off and say I am not racist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's always a good start. These things actually happened and
Speaker 2: sparsely attended. It wasn't even opening weekend. Yeah, so I
Speaker 2: don't know. There's probably like thirty forty people in there, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's a scene where I think it's Garrett headliner
Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg lifts up the bed and there's all these
Speaker 2: this ammunition. Yeah. Ok, yeah, this guy clearly black, sitting
Speaker 2: two rows in front of me, probably about eight or
Speaker 2: nine seats over. He goes, whoa that looked like my house,
Speaker 2: which I thought was funny. Okay, there is another guy.
Speaker 2: He may or may not have been with him. It
Speaker 2: was coming from the same spot. And this is this
Speaker 2: is so Wisconsin. He's on his phone, like not even
Speaker 2: trying to hide the conversation like it was just like.
Speaker 1: A normal talking.
Speaker 2: I mean, like and not like this, but he's trying
Speaker 2: to like like he was talking just casually, like if
Speaker 2: he's like out in public or was in his house
Speaker 2: or whatever. And finally, some Wisconsin guy in the most
Speaker 2: Wisconsin accent you could imagine, he turns around and I
Speaker 2: didn't see him, but I know he turned around because
Speaker 2: how his voice is coming. And he goes, hey, get
Speaker 2: off your phone, like super loud, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god. And then the guy just kept talking for
Speaker 2: another few seconds. Then I hear him go here goes
Speaker 2: say something like hang on or hold on, and then
Speaker 2: he just says kind of loud, louder than on his phone,
Speaker 2: but not really. He goes, man, shuts your bitch ass up.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and I was like, I will
Speaker 2: never forget what I saw. Four brothers. It was tremendous
Speaker 2: and then everybody laughed when he said that. Of course,
Speaker 2: of course that pulls the whole thing together.
Speaker 1: And like to me, like, I've seen that movie, like
Speaker 1: you described that scene, I can see it perfectly because
Speaker 1: I've seen that movie way too much.
Speaker 2: I would say proud, because it's on TV a lot.
Speaker 2: I bet I've seen it like fifteen.
Speaker 1: Times, easy, easy, and I just absolutely love it. I'd
Speaker 1: even include, just from this podcast, running Man, just a
Speaker 1: generic action movie. You could technically get a sequel out
Speaker 1: of that one. But I love that genre of film
Speaker 1: because when it's done right.
Speaker 2: You could get a sequel out of Four Brothers.
Speaker 1: You won't though, well, I mean I'm gonna be called
Speaker 1: three Brothers spoiler alert.
Speaker 2: No, because then there's like another long lost Oh we
Speaker 2: didn't know he was our brother, and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think who that Who that would be Glenn Powell and like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you were our brother too. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: you could definitely do like somebody obviously took over like
Speaker 2: chowelte Cha four, like somebody took over his cri. Yeah sure,
Speaker 2: Victor Sweet, Yeah yeah, Victor Sweet. And you could definitely
Speaker 2: make a sequel on now it's been too long and
Speaker 2: it won't happen, but I could. Yeah, I could see it.
Speaker 1: It's just a one off. It's just a solid ninety
Speaker 1: minutes of fun movie that was experience ninety minutes, though
Speaker 1: it wasn't one hundred and twenty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The guy, I don't know that it was one hundred.
Speaker 1: I'll look it up later. But my point is is
Speaker 1: that we watched Normal, and I am including this flick
Speaker 1: in that pantheon of movies where it's a ninety one
Speaker 1: minute experience. Yeah, tells a very nice, self included story. Yes,
Speaker 1: you could get a sequel out of it.
Speaker 2: Technically you say original too, Because I'm watching this movie, Ben, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, am I in the right theater? Like for
Speaker 2: how it opened? Oh? Yeah, you know, I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is this is really weird now. I remember then. I
Speaker 2: was thinking back to the trailer and I'm like, okay, wait,
Speaker 2: there was something going on here with the Japanese like
Speaker 2: that that this is not, you know, because it's set obviously.
Speaker 2: Normal is set in the fictional town of Normal, Minnesota,
Speaker 2: which is a very small, po dunk, classic stereotypical Midwestern
Speaker 2: town right well on paper, on paper, that's that's that's
Speaker 2: where it's set. And then at you know, things you
Speaker 2: start to understand like, okay, this is not your average
Speaker 2: run of the mill, meat and potatoes, midwestern town. And
Speaker 2: then the Japanese I remember in the in the trailer,
Speaker 2: like the last part of the trailer, like the button
Speaker 2: on the trailer was were these Japanese business guys with
Speaker 2: the pager And I'm like, Okay, something's going on, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like and I forgot about that
Speaker 2: when I was watching this nice story. Yes, super original
Speaker 2: to me. I agree that there's been nothing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't remember a film that was done that had
Speaker 2: that kind of twist to it.
Speaker 1: I I'm one hundred percent on board with you. And
Speaker 1: I loved their efforts at foreshadowing, like there's so much
Speaker 1: of this because you know, because you've seen the trailer,
Speaker 1: you know something's amiss in the town. And like they're
Speaker 1: just driving through the town and they're like, thanks for
Speaker 1: the eighteen point six million to build this. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm justlexic to rebuild this.
Speaker 2: Uh, this town hall, the town really came together.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and it's like and then they never bring it
Speaker 1: up again. It's just like bop there's a locker with
Speaker 1: a bunch of locks on. He's like, yeah, it's stumper moovers,
Speaker 1: like the old fashioned kind. And I'm sitting there because
Speaker 1: I'm not an outdoorsy guy. I'm like, I wonder why
Speaker 1: you got a lock stumper movers. I'm excited, like you
Speaker 1: definitely it's piqued your interest. You know you're gonna see
Speaker 1: that locker again. But they don't talk about it for
Speaker 1: an hour, and you're just like, it's just such a
Speaker 1: fun way to do a half hour where it really
Speaker 1: it lulls you into the boring small town life kind
Speaker 1: of in the movie in a way that was still
Speaker 1: but I found it engaging. I wasn't bored. I wasn't like, man,
Speaker 1: this is dragging. I was like, I can tell everybody
Speaker 1: is being vague about stuff and weird things are happening.
Speaker 1: But the main character, Bob Odenkirk aka Ulysses just kind
Speaker 1: of he's then he just goes about his business and
Speaker 1: you find out why that is.
Speaker 2: Things with a suspicious eye like court, he can tell
Speaker 2: something's amiss. The other thing too when you talk about him.
Speaker 2: Perfect character for the build up too, because you want
Speaker 2: like he's an interim sheriff number one. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: that was a thing like an interim sheriff like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I knew if something happens to a sheriff,
Speaker 2: you obviously have to have somebody assume the position, But
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that was something you could do where
Speaker 2: he was like a quasi career interim sheriff or is
Speaker 2: this but like this is what he did. He looked
Speaker 2: for interim interim sheriff ships or whatever you call him.
Speaker 2: And the other thing, ben aren't the laws different in
Speaker 2: every little municipality. How does he know what to enforce
Speaker 2: when he's got to learn it anyway? So that to
Speaker 2: me kind of was intriguing to me, like who does this?
Speaker 2: What happened to him to cause him to want to
Speaker 2: do this? He's like sixty in this film. This is
Speaker 2: the time when you're settling in for your last little
Speaker 2: stint of your career, stint of your career, right, like
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be going out and seeking so so clearly
Speaker 2: something was going on with him. We saw some backstory,
Speaker 2: which I'm gonna ask you off air because I don't
Speaker 2: know if I completely understood everything, and I don't want
Speaker 2: to ruin. I got a little touch and go for
Speaker 2: me as well. I think I never understand like his backstory. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll talk off there about that. But yeah, but but
Speaker 2: my whole point was like, while this was a super
Speaker 2: slow burn, at least for the first forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: that's a half hour, half hour is probably accurate. First
Speaker 2: it was super slow burn, but it was an intriguing
Speaker 2: slow burn because it was, like you said, was building
Speaker 2: up the layers of Okay, we're getting you to ask
Speaker 2: these questions and we will answer them later, which they did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for the most part, I don't. I don't have any
Speaker 2: lingering questions really, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: And it was just done in an entertaining and engaging way.
Speaker 1: So you're watching Bob Odenkirk get driven around by and
Speaker 1: I have at least most of the cast in front
Speaker 1: of your Billy Glellan is his partner.
Speaker 2: The who I thought, you know, who I thought that
Speaker 2: was at first was oh, I can't think of his
Speaker 2: name now. He was in he plays a cowboy or
Speaker 2: like a he was in Cana irritate me because I
Speaker 2: know him from Fear of the Walking Dead. But I
Speaker 2: know you don't. Yeah, yeah, no, I'll just I'll you
Speaker 2: tell me more. I'm gonna look this guy up and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna and then you're gonna be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he does kind of look like him even talk like
Speaker 2: him too.
Speaker 1: So they're they're driving around the town, they're basically going
Speaker 1: through some of the most generic officer calls you can
Speaker 1: possibly imagine. Dispute at a hardware store. One woman's knitting
Speaker 1: and she doesn't like the color of yarn.
Speaker 2: It's almost that they center, like like like and then
Speaker 2: and then owen Kirk's like, look, I can't help you,
Speaker 2: And I figured like, oh, it's because he wasn't the
Speaker 2: one who centered, But no, he couldn't tell the difference
Speaker 2: between the colors. That's why he couldn't help her.
Speaker 1: And also which also like, can I just say they
Speaker 1: highlight that he's color blind in that scene, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I wonder how that that's going to
Speaker 1: come into play later in the movie. It has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the rest of the movie. It's just
Speaker 1: a one off line there. But like it does all
Speaker 1: these it really does a great job of world building
Speaker 1: and very quickly, especially if you're familiar with smaller town life,
Speaker 1: like I came from the city in Appleton is by
Speaker 1: no means small relative to this. I believe it was
Speaker 1: a town of eighteen hundred people, is what they end
Speaker 1: up saying. So this is extra small, especially if living
Speaker 1: listening to us anywhere here in the Fox Valley. But
Speaker 1: I think they do a really good job of painting
Speaker 1: the Midwest in a very accurate light. Like that was
Speaker 1: what I was sitting there. I was questioning myself while
Speaker 1: I was watching it because small town, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, would I get as much
Speaker 1: out of this if I still lived in Pittsburgh. Like
Speaker 1: I personally have always found Fargo to be overrated. I
Speaker 1: almost want to watch it again now now that I
Speaker 1: have almost four years of Midwest living under my belt,
Speaker 1: and watch it again and see if I noticed the
Speaker 1: little idiosyncrasies this. I think like I did not expect.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect from this, and I
Speaker 1: think that's why I equate it to Four Brothers. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: action movie, something in town. Sure you guys want to
Speaker 1: go see that, I'll go see it. This is one
Speaker 1: of those as well. Not a cold day in hell
Speaker 1: in a world where off topic doesn't exist, am I
Speaker 1: in theaters watching this movie. It would have went right
Speaker 1: over my radar. I would have caught it later when
Speaker 1: it was on HBO or something. Oh, Bob Odenkirkson, this,
Speaker 1: let's see what that's about. And we kind of go
Speaker 1: from there. But between the trailer and the cast, there's
Speaker 1: enough pieces there. But I'm so happy I went to
Speaker 1: go see it because it's just like one of those
Speaker 1: unique pieces. I saw a little bit of a lot
Speaker 1: of movies. Like you said, it was unique, Like there
Speaker 1: were moments where I was like, oh, this reminds me
Speaker 1: of assault on Precinc thirteen. This reminds me of Fargo.
Speaker 1: This reminds me.
Speaker 2: Of this, And I was kind of running down the list.
Speaker 2: Nobody come up at all.
Speaker 1: No, the trailer made it look like nobody. He was
Speaker 1: not equipped for what was happening. This was more like
Speaker 1: John McClain's style in a situation.
Speaker 2: Hey, exactly, Yeah, because in Nobody he was like you expect, well,
Speaker 2: I mean it's back. You were surprised to learn how
Speaker 2: talented he was as far as I don't say espionage,
Speaker 2: but like you know, he was equipped and trained.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, combat, all these different knickknacks, all that.
Speaker 2: Just totally different in this film where he is not
Speaker 2: only not trained for that kind of stuff, Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: not pretty indifferent towards it quite frankly. Yes. That was
Speaker 2: the other thing too, where I think there was a
Speaker 2: line in the movie something about like why he ended
Speaker 2: up the first place. Yeah, it was because he he
Speaker 2: was very kind of las fair about his gig and
Speaker 2: being a sheriff to begin with. Yeah, okay, I want
Speaker 2: to bring this up. Garrett Dilla Hunt is who is
Speaker 2: the actor I'm talking about. He looked a lot like
Speaker 2: the deputy sheriff that was driving him around. Garrett Dilla
Speaker 2: Hunt was in No Country for Old Men. He was
Speaker 2: in the assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford.
Speaker 2: Did you see that movie? I didn't, dude. That is
Speaker 2: a great movie. He was. He played a sheriff in
Speaker 2: Winter's Bone with Bitch, Yes, totally twelve Years of Slave.
Speaker 2: He was in that one as well. He was Army
Speaker 2: of the Dead where the crawdads sing red right hand,
Speaker 2: and then he's in a bunch of other stuff. That's
Speaker 2: that's coming up. He was in an episode of X Files.
Speaker 2: Uh he did. Uh. He was on Deadwood for several seasons.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he's that guy an Army of the Dead.
Speaker 1: Not in a million years, I know exactly. Have you
Speaker 1: seen Army of the Dead on Netflix? Not in a
Speaker 1: million years. He's like the bad guy running alongside the woman.
Speaker 1: He's huge in that and he is so simple.
Speaker 2: So you have him, you see him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, do you see the similarity in the moment though?
Speaker 2: Right? So? So this, Oh that's not that guy? Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: but he does play like a lot of these, like
Speaker 2: these kind of simpleton characters. Yeah, very but he's a
Speaker 2: talented as squeaky jacket, right so so, and speaking of
Speaker 2: the cast, excuse me, excuse me? So once I realized
Speaker 2: that it wasn't him, I'm like, well, who else is
Speaker 2: in this? Now? We talked about Henry Winkler was in this.
Speaker 2: I forgot Lena Hetty is in this movie too. I
Speaker 2: didn't even know she was in Game of Thrones obviously,
Speaker 2: and she was in three hundred right, And the first
Speaker 2: thing I thought of when I'm seeing her play in
Speaker 2: this film with that accent, what happened to her career? Oh? Really?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't understand how you go from three
Speaker 2: hundred Ben and Game of Thrones to doing this character, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, not a lot of screen time for
Speaker 2: her in this film, and it was so unlike, you
Speaker 2: know what she has played before. And it's fine if
Speaker 2: it's if you're like Nicholas Cage where you're purposefully doing this.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to think, like, God, what else has
Speaker 2: she been in lately? Lately?
Speaker 1: Not so much but in the game. See, that's just it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people just get lucky. She was the wife in
Speaker 1: the first Purge movie, which was like twenty twelve. She's
Speaker 1: the bad guy in Dread from I want to say
Speaker 1: also twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: Did you see that one with Carl Urban.
Speaker 1: No, that's the remake right, yeah? Ooh, well you're suggesting
Speaker 1: one to me. That's one that you absolutely have to see. Okay,
Speaker 1: I watched that anytime it's on. I would file that
Speaker 1: into the Four Brothers. That was more sequel bait. But
Speaker 1: we'll never get it.
Speaker 2: But by the way, because I don't think we'll get
Speaker 2: on this topic maybe until we may not get on
Speaker 2: this the rest of this episode, we talked about doing
Speaker 2: Mortal Kombat too. Oh yeah, absolutely, did you see who
Speaker 2: the star of that movie is? Yeah? And did you
Speaker 2: see who he's playing. Yeah, that's old news. How do
Speaker 2: we get a fifty three year old Carl Urban playing
Speaker 2: John Johnny Cage. I don't know how that's gonna work anyway,
Speaker 2: you know it could work. We'll see.
Speaker 1: Well, that movie review is coming in like two ish weeks.
Speaker 1: But but all that being said, like she's had her roles,
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of times, like you have
Speaker 1: your one shots and then a lot of times you're
Speaker 1: that person. Not to say that she's not a good actress.
Speaker 1: I think she could do other things if she wanted to.
Speaker 1: I thought she did well in this movie. No one
Speaker 1: other than Bob O, Like who had more screen time
Speaker 1: her Henry Winkler. Maybe Henry Winkler buy a hair, but
Speaker 1: really not that much. And I'd say her screen time
Speaker 1: was much more monologuey, like Henry Winkler was playing off
Speaker 1: of other characters, where she would go on these long
Speaker 1: diet tribes about her past or what it's like in
Speaker 1: the town and all these things. It felt like Game
Speaker 1: of Thrones moments in some ways, the way that she
Speaker 1: went talk.
Speaker 2: At Midwestern Game of Throne.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I was even sitting there because obviously
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones is We're ways removed from that at
Speaker 1: this point, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, is that Surce? Like? It is Circe Like it
Speaker 2: was like one of those kind of mind She had
Speaker 2: that line where I mean, again, not to keep harping
Speaker 2: on this, but oden Kirk asked her for a drink
Speaker 2: or yeah, do you have a drink on you? And
Speaker 2: she goes, well, what kind of a bartender would I
Speaker 2: be if I get it? And I'm like, Jesus, yeah right,
Speaker 2: Like you're not coming back from this. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You didn't think I was good? No,
Speaker 2: I mean it was. It shouldn't have been her. I
Speaker 2: just expect more from her from from an acting But.
Speaker 1: As soon as I saw her in the movie, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: she's a bad guy, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because you.
Speaker 2: Know, I didn't. I didn't get that, and I want
Speaker 2: to touch on that in a little bit, but I
Speaker 2: didn't get that at all, because okay, fine, but I
Speaker 2: would This was so out of left field from her
Speaker 2: to for me to see her playing this role that
Speaker 2: to me, all bets were off, Like Okay, maybe she's
Speaker 2: a she's a good person, she's a good guy. Maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know what to expect at this point. And
Speaker 2: quite frankly, and I don't know if we're spoiling anything here.
Speaker 2: We might be that scene in the prison with her.
Speaker 2: I still didn't know really not, I mean, like until
Speaker 2: the very end where you kind of find out where
Speaker 2: her loyalties lie. Yeah, I still didn't know at that point.
Speaker 1: Like anyway, Yeah, can you understand by the because when
Speaker 1: we did our teas for this on my show and
Speaker 1: I said it's a mix of Truman Show and and
Speaker 1: nobody like, I don't see Truman Show.
Speaker 2: Can you kind of see where I got? Okay, did
Speaker 2: I say I couldn't see Truman Show? I said, you
Speaker 2: said Truman Show. Yeah, I didn't really, and then you
Speaker 2: booted that out Fargo. I didn't. And honestly, like the
Speaker 2: first thirty minutes of it, yeah, I mean I wouldn't
Speaker 2: compare it to a Cohen Brothers movie, but it had
Speaker 2: that kind of it kind of had that setup, you know.
Speaker 2: And uh, then as I'm watching it, like that first
Speaker 2: scene at the bank, when Ulysses is going into the bank,
Speaker 2: that's the point I'm like, oh, I see what Ben's saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is there's a Truman Show aspect to.
Speaker 1: This, yeah, which which I definitely appreciated it. It has
Speaker 1: a very good way of having a mystery for half
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry not to interrupt. The other one that
Speaker 2: I totally thought about when I was watching this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Hot Fuzz from with Simon peg and Who's never Remember
Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, you're right, Nick Frost, I think was
Speaker 2: the other name. Yeah, I'm like, dude, this is like,
Speaker 2: like I mean, we said Fargo, Truman Show and nobody,
Speaker 2: but nobody's kind and to me, Hot Fuzz I think
Speaker 2: after seeing this is probably the most the most apt comparison. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like Hot Fuzz without the comedy, although there was
Speaker 2: some kind there's definitely some funny parts. It will have
Speaker 2: you in a cell phone conversations with Henry Winkler. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of moments that I found funny.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of emotional moments.
Speaker 2: But what was.
Speaker 1: Impressive with this movie is it's very easy to set
Speaker 1: up a mystery, it's very difficult to pay off a mystery.
Speaker 1: And this when like the big plot twist comes thirty
Speaker 1: to thirty five minutes into the film and it kind
Speaker 1: of plays out. I don't want to say, like a
Speaker 1: generic action, but you're because like there are still some
Speaker 1: fun twists as the movie goes from there, but it's
Speaker 1: much more formulaic than what you're used to, but it
Speaker 1: still feels fresh and exciting and fun, and it never
Speaker 1: stays too long. Like at one point, I thought the
Speaker 1: rest of the movie was going to be in the bank,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is going to be like
Speaker 1: assault on Precinct thirteen. It's gonna be unlikely allies coming
Speaker 1: together against another entity that wants to take them out.
Speaker 1: And then five minutes later they're out of the bank
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, well, I wonder what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen here. And then you start kind of revisiting all
Speaker 1: these characters that you met at the beginning of the movie,
Speaker 1: but in an entirely different light. I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is fun. And then the unlikely Allies part ways. I'm like,
Speaker 1: well wait a minute, and like so they do a
Speaker 1: fun way of keeping me every ten minutes thinking I
Speaker 1: know where we're headed for the rest of the movie,
Speaker 1: only to take me down a different path, which I
Speaker 1: definitely appreciate when you kind of pull those U turns
Speaker 1: with the last fifteen minutes being like, Oh, get the
Speaker 1: hell out of here. They're gonna pull this off. So
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting conversation in and of itself.
Speaker 2: The other two allies that you're speaking of, were you
Speaker 2: as surprised as I was. I guess you can't answer
Speaker 2: that because you don't know how surprised I was. But
Speaker 2: I was pretty surprised that how they finish their story
Speaker 2: those two.
Speaker 1: Again, I thought they were going to be more involved.
Speaker 1: I didn't think, well, I don't want to say that
Speaker 1: because I don't want to give anything away, but.
Speaker 2: Yes, I well, I don't I don't think you're giving
Speaker 2: anything away. Well, I was about to say something that
Speaker 2: I think would okay, But I was surprised to see
Speaker 2: how when the film ended, and I think back to
Speaker 2: all the characters, and I think about those two characters
Speaker 2: and like, well, that's kind of a weird way to
Speaker 2: tie off the story with those two. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: yeah it is. But it's one of those things sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know, we talk about you mentioned it at the top,
Speaker 2: the layering of setting you up for stuff that you
Speaker 2: should be paying attention to this because they will come
Speaker 2: up later. Yeah, And sometimes I think you need not
Speaker 2: saying that this applies, but I'm saying that it could
Speaker 2: apply in this movie or other films, that you need
Speaker 2: these red herrings where things that you you think are
Speaker 2: something but maybe aren't something, and then things that you
Speaker 2: think are just throw away things like oh wait, well
Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's a callback. Yeah, which I think if
Speaker 2: it's just all callbacks are all red herrings, that's not enjoyable.
Speaker 1: You got to have, which the color Blind one never
Speaker 1: came back, but I never talking about There is another
Speaker 1: moment about about certain decorations that comes up that absolutely
Speaker 1: is relevant later in the movie. So they kind of
Speaker 1: pulled that off there. And I will say Brendan Fletcher
Speaker 1: plays the dude of the Unlikely Allies. There's a woman, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lori and Keith Yeah, and then Rena Jolly. Brendan Fletcher.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's done other movies that are absolute trash,
Speaker 1: but he is in the movie Rampage, which is basically
Speaker 1: like a hyper realistic shooter movie, which is a bit much.
Speaker 2: That's the Rock Are you talking about the one with
Speaker 2: the rock?
Speaker 1: No page No, No, that's like based on the video game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is like a movie that was probably has a
Speaker 1: budget of like forty seven dollars, oh okay, and like
Speaker 1: he's basically just a disgruntled early twenty something that buys
Speaker 1: a bunch of guns, puts on body armor, and does
Speaker 1: some pretty horrific things, but like if you're in the
Speaker 1: mood for that. But then he's also in Freddie Versus Jason,
Speaker 1: and he has kind of carved a niche out himself
Speaker 1: and being in these movies that you've never heard of
Speaker 1: that always end up surprising you with like how much
Speaker 1: fun you have watching them. And anytime I see that
Speaker 1: guy in a movie, I'm like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: at least gonna try it, because he never lets me down,
Speaker 1: and he strikes me as the type that will never
Speaker 1: be a lead and never like make it in mainstream Hollywood.
Speaker 1: But he takes the craft of acting very seriously and
Speaker 1: I love that about him, And anytime I see him
Speaker 1: in anything, I'm like, cool, let's see, let's see where
Speaker 1: this is going from here. So as soon as I
Speaker 1: saw him, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: good movie, isn't it.
Speaker 2: You know? I okay, so obviously I never saw Rampage. Yeah, okay, Well,
Speaker 2: at least not that rampage. Yeah. By the way, there's
Speaker 2: three of them. By the way, I've seen all three.
Speaker 2: Rampage one, Rampage two. Yeah. So I have to mention
Speaker 2: this too off topic. From one of the other companies
Speaker 2: I work with, he had this tournament called the Early
Speaker 2: Rampage Tournament, and I was calling it the Early Rampage
Speaker 2: Tournament rampage over and over and over and over on purpose, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I thought that's what it was. Oh no, okay, wait,
Speaker 2: so you weren't being funny. No, that's that's even funnier. Okay.
Speaker 2: So guy, a guy who's watching this on YouTube hits
Speaker 2: me up on x and he says, Bulky, it's rampage.
Speaker 2: It's not rampage. I'm like, this guy's full of it.
Speaker 2: And I looked it up on Merriam Webster and it
Speaker 2: didn't even have a second like what's a rampage? Like
Speaker 2: in your mind? What did you think you were saying rampage?
Speaker 2: Like like, you know, I thought rampage was the verb
Speaker 2: and rampage was the noun. And yeah, see you're laughing
Speaker 2: like like and and to me, this was like, dude,
Speaker 2: forty six years on this planet. Yeah, I always thought
Speaker 2: it was that way, so he called me out. So
Speaker 2: now anytime I see that word, it's like, uh, like
Speaker 2: one of those it all comes back to Marvel, one
Speaker 2: of those scissors that ebony Ma was putting into those
Speaker 2: points I was putting in a doctor.
Speaker 1: Sat never see that word through any other light again, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it might have changed my my reaction to the word
Speaker 1: now going forward and all.
Speaker 2: That, I don't know anybody who is on my side. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I've been saying we've had this early rampage tournament
Speaker 2: for two years. One guy has called me out on it. Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: and this includes people I work with that.
Speaker 1: See, but you need that. I was an intensive purpose
Speaker 1: guy when I was nineteen years old and someone humiliated
Speaker 1: me in public fashion about he's like intensive purpose. Ben
Speaker 1: described to me what an intensive purpose is.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that caught me up. Uh yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 1: And so but after that, now anytime I hear it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, Drew was a bit of a jag,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad he did that to me because now
Speaker 1: I'm not thirty eight still saying it because people are
Speaker 1: too polite.
Speaker 2: The other or one of the other ones. A family
Speaker 2: guy does this with there's a like a monologue that
Speaker 2: Stewart not a monologue, but there's a piece of dialogue
Speaker 2: where Stewiet like goes off and names like seven or
Speaker 2: eight of those phrases. Yeah, and he mentions all of
Speaker 2: the sudden, which I haven't heard before, all of the sudden, Yeah,
Speaker 2: all of us sudden. I was here, but apparently some
Speaker 2: people say all of the sudden. And then the one
Speaker 2: that really got me. And this is another one, and
Speaker 2: I'll correct people to this day. A whole another whatever. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: a whole another No, a whole nother yeah, ano, there's
Speaker 2: not a word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a whole other person, a whole other,
Speaker 1: whole another whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a Midwestern thing. Take it for granted is
Speaker 2: another one as well. Yeah, that was like that was
Speaker 2: Take it for granted was like pre high school for
Speaker 2: me not to sound like douchey or whatever, but that
Speaker 2: one has not. I have an officer over here. Well
Speaker 2: listen correct me. Okay, I mean Jesus forty six years
Speaker 2: and I finally had somebody called me am I that
Speaker 2: big of a douche that people like to see me
Speaker 2: mispronounced stuff like that. Yeah, maybe like, oh, he's in media.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should just let it happen or something they
Speaker 2: said that. I don't know, but anyway, I don't know
Speaker 2: how we got on this. Yeah, it's what I want.
Speaker 2: I enjoy his performance in anything. You know what he
Speaker 2: looks like? And have you noticed this in commercials? I
Speaker 2: see in commercials like for laundry, detergent, beer, food, whatever,
Speaker 2: some of these casting agencies or these casting directors, I
Speaker 2: think are picking actors who look like big name actors.
Speaker 2: Have you noticed it? And and uh, and obviously that's
Speaker 2: cool because it's like, hey, Brad Pitt's advertising for this,
Speaker 2: but really it's it's just Michael Sherlock. But he looks
Speaker 2: happening to have this resemblance to Brad Pitt. This guy
Speaker 2: and I couldn't place it, but he looks like a
Speaker 2: bigger named actor. He looks like maybe it's a conglomerate
Speaker 2: of like actors who look like they've done bigger things before.
Speaker 2: So I'm watching this and and I'm like, God, that
Speaker 2: guy has to have been into something I've seen before.
Speaker 2: And I went and I looked at him, like nothing's
Speaker 2: really standing out, and so I'm thinking, like, he just
Speaker 2: looks like a guy who is like a bigger, like
Speaker 2: a more of an A list actor or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we both have different interpretations what kind of work
Speaker 2: this guy does, but I think yours is probably closer
Speaker 2: to in reality.
Speaker 1: And I do maintain he's definitely not a lists like,
Speaker 1: he's not at all. It's just but you can tell
Speaker 1: he tries, and I'm all four people, I'd rather watch
Speaker 1: him try and not be as good as like an
Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins who's clearly mailing it in, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like i'd take that in the day of
Speaker 1: the week. And you've got to have these hungry actors.
Speaker 1: We exactly And while we're talking about mailing it in.
Speaker 1: And it pains me to say this, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna preface it. I love Henry Winkler in Barry.
Speaker 1: I think he deserved all the accolades that he got.
Speaker 2: Did you ever win an Emmy for that? He did?
Speaker 1: It was his first Emmy ever. It was a big deal. Wow,
Speaker 1: Like he was he was very emotional. I've heard he's
Speaker 1: a very nice guy in real life. Like I really
Speaker 1: do like Henry Winkler in anything I see him, and
Speaker 1: he really does just play the same character.
Speaker 2: The bronze fawn statue. I have not got to do
Speaker 2: that good to know it's I don't, don't ask me worry.
Speaker 2: I think it's in the Old third Ward district. But
Speaker 2: it's literally a statue of Arthur Fonzarelli from Happiness of Course,
Speaker 2: and it's bronzed and he's just doing the thumbs up.
Speaker 1: What else would he be doing, I'll do jumping a
Speaker 1: shark maybe good one. Yeah, I'm a bridge.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they screwed up, so yeah, he But I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say it, like it just felt like he
Speaker 1: was playing himself as a mayor, like as a corrupt mayor.
Speaker 2: Essentially, was he corrupt? Yeah, yeah, he was corrupt. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't I don't know if I
Speaker 2: especially coming from you, I'm surprised that.
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, let me say this because this is actually
Speaker 1: and I meant to do a monologue about this on
Speaker 1: my show today and I forgot, which means I'll just
Speaker 1: do it tomorrow. But but like, there are towns, without
Speaker 1: giving too much away here, there are towns in western PA,
Speaker 1: like New Kensington is one that I'm sure you have
Speaker 1: never heard of.
Speaker 2: No Old Kensington though in the fifties.
Speaker 1: In the fifties and sixties, it was a town that
Speaker 1: paralleled Pittsburgh like they were growing handed and what was
Speaker 1: propping New Kensington up was mob money. And then eventually
Speaker 1: the mob got busted and New Kensington is now a
Speaker 1: place that you don't want to go and there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity for growth there and things like
Speaker 1: that are going on in New Kensington. Crime ridden, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crime ridden. It's just there's no more money that's
Speaker 1: being invested in it as opposed to a town that
Speaker 1: gets sixteen point eight million to pump into a new
Speaker 1: town hall. And it really shows me, like I think
Speaker 1: there's very large kernels of truth, not necessarily to this
Speaker 1: specific story in the way that it's crash, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the same principles of a lot of these towns, a
Speaker 1: lot of the ones that end up dying, because that's
Speaker 1: one of the major themes is small towns trying to
Speaker 1: find relevance and staying afloat in a country where it's
Speaker 1: becoming more and more difficult to do that. Once the
Speaker 1: one major industry closes down, a lot of the towns
Speaker 1: that size that do find themselves propped up often are
Speaker 1: doing so through questionable means, and as those means, if
Speaker 1: you hold up a newspaper that says mob busted at
Speaker 1: New Kensington, clean Streets going forward, that's a victory in
Speaker 1: the eyes of a lot of people. And then since
Speaker 1: then it's been a downward trajectory ever since, and they
Speaker 1: kind of play with that theme quite a bit. So
Speaker 1: I say on that to say, maybe corrupt not the
Speaker 1: not the correct word, but it's corrupt on paper at
Speaker 1: the very least. If you show a newspaper what was that,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, Oh, that guy's gotta go.
Speaker 2: But if you saw the aftermath from the decision, be like, wow,
Speaker 2: well there, I mean, there's criminal activity that's inarguable. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: But at the same time we have to consider and
Speaker 2: and maybe I thought this would be a bigger issue
Speaker 2: with you the morals that go behind the decision, and
Speaker 2: you know, it goes back to not And for anybody listening,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is what happens in the movie.
Speaker 2: This is just the first analogy that pops up. Where
Speaker 2: you're in your college ethics class or high school ethics
Speaker 2: class or whatever it is, it is it wrong to
Speaker 2: steal a loaf of bread? To feed your starving family, right,
Speaker 2: And so I think that's that's sort of like the
Speaker 2: question people would ask in a similar situation, that it's
Speaker 2: not all. Now, I have this guy I work with
Speaker 2: commit his real name is Bryce. We call him binary
Speaker 2: Bryce because it's either this or it's that. There's no
Speaker 2: spectrum that exists. Oh, I thought he was confused about
Speaker 2: his no no, no, no no. It is either the
Speaker 2: best thing in the world or the worst thing in
Speaker 2: the world, and there is nothing in between. Sure, there's
Speaker 2: nothing in me. And so I think with when you
Speaker 2: bring ethics into this, there there's like you don't know,
Speaker 2: and quite frankly me a person who is a weak
Speaker 2: man who I've I don't know if I've said this
Speaker 2: on this podcast, I say it on my fantasy football
Speaker 2: stuff all the time. I'm a weak man. I change
Speaker 2: my mind on stuff like this all the time, from
Speaker 2: day to day, you know. And I don't Again, the
Speaker 2: decisions that certain characters had to make in this movie,
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're not easy ones, you know. And and
Speaker 2: so now, when when it came to be the execution
Speaker 2: of the result of those decisions, I'm with you, it
Speaker 2: got pretty heavy handed, and it got not heavy handed,
Speaker 2: but it got it got pretty I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's why you didn't have as big of an issue
Speaker 2: with it, because a lot of the people in this
Speaker 2: film turned out to be not great people. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then it got very cartoonish at the end, which we'll
Speaker 2: talk about. But my whole thing was, I guess maybe
Speaker 2: perhaps I was lingering on that idea a little bit
Speaker 2: more than you did, and maybe more so than the
Speaker 2: filmmakers wanted you to.
Speaker 1: And also more so just like the whole reason why
Speaker 1: Bob Odenkirk has to come like eventually lines are crossed
Speaker 1: even off camera that it's like, Okay, maybe you had
Speaker 1: the right intentions, maybe you had these ultimate goals, but
Speaker 1: you obviously allowed it to go to a point because
Speaker 1: in a town of eighteen hundred people, you're never going
Speaker 1: to get eighteen hundred people on board.
Speaker 2: That you can get pretty close.
Speaker 1: You got pretty close, but you're never gonna get all
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred people.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing, too, is like with some of
Speaker 2: the people who are good, some of the people who
Speaker 2: are bad. I think somebody said one of the characters said, oh,
Speaker 2: we still have some stragglers or something like that. MM hmm.
Speaker 2: When it came to people getting on board or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I under who have we met
Speaker 2: some of these stragglers already? Okay, where was I going
Speaker 2: to go with this next point? Oden Kirk's character, I think, ulysses,
Speaker 2: this is a story about him. This is not a
Speaker 2: story about the town. This is this is a part
Speaker 2: of his life, and it's a part of what made
Speaker 2: him who he was. I am surprised, given what had happened,
Speaker 2: at least to the level I understand it in his
Speaker 2: career as a sheriff. I was surprised, mildly surprised that
Speaker 2: this was the thing that sort of turned him into
Speaker 2: John McClain, normal's John McClain. I thought that was that
Speaker 2: was weird to me, that like, oh, okay, so this
Speaker 2: is what's what's going to get him activated. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a little bizarre that he was
Speaker 2: fight or flight. I feel like, yeah, but he had
Speaker 2: his character had always chosen basically almost always chosen I
Speaker 2: guess flight. Oh yeah, he was not a fighter, And
Speaker 2: to me this was kind of a weird thing.
Speaker 1: To but I mean, really think about it, Like the
Speaker 1: the inciting incident was him walking into the You know,
Speaker 1: is that in the trailer, the part that yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: when he's walking into the bank robbery to try and
Speaker 1: negotiate a pretty tense deal where they're nervous about hostages.
Speaker 1: Think about what's happening while he walks into that building,
Speaker 1: Like when that is what's happening. I feel like at
Speaker 1: that point, most people, like, don't get me wrong, my
Speaker 1: flight instinct kicks in. If I'm in like a saw trap,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, what just killed me. I'm not
Speaker 1: digging my eye out with a scalpel. But in this situation,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, it's either that or me. Let's see
Speaker 1: what happens here and we'll go from there. Like I
Speaker 1: think any normal person, I think he needed that kind
Speaker 1: of money.
Speaker 2: Think about the odds. Oh yeah, I mean, and like
Speaker 2: I guess flight was not really an option here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it would have been, well, it was, actually it was.
Speaker 2: It was offered to him by Henry Winkler pretty early
Speaker 2: on in the plot. But he didn't know, but he
Speaker 2: didn't know the level of what was going on with
Speaker 2: normal at that point.
Speaker 1: No, but he said to him, He's like, I can't
Speaker 1: get out of here live He's like, well, you could
Speaker 1: if you just do this, and he was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. That's true, And so
Speaker 1: assuming you trust that that would be the case, and
Speaker 1: I think it would be because I think Dead Cops
Speaker 1: is a pretty hard thing to and they would have
Speaker 1: explained it away, but it's a hard thing to explain away.
Speaker 2: You'd rather not have to deal with that there. Speaking
Speaker 2: of explaining it away, what did you make of the
Speaker 2: plan that was concocted towards the end of this film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've been using the term cartoonish quite a bit. I'll
Speaker 2: be real.
Speaker 1: I like, I want to say what it reminds me of,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that would give away what.
Speaker 2: Happened is cartoonish. Then don't say it is cartoonish, not apt.
Speaker 1: It absolutely is. But in the right hands, I think
Speaker 1: it could have been done well. Like was the ending
Speaker 1: to Django unchained cartoonish? I don't think so. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't look at that as a cartoonish ending, and I'd
Speaker 1: argue it's just.
Speaker 2: Like that was that was that was to me? That was.
Speaker 2: That was a little bit different though, because you're talking
Speaker 2: about literally a slave who had obviously literally a slave,
Speaker 2: but a slave who had literally nothing right. And this
Speaker 2: was all about redemption, revenge. That's what the whole thing
Speaker 2: was about. And so you see this and Django Unchained
Speaker 2: is an epic epic film, right, and this is kind of.
Speaker 1: But I'd argue that even makes the ending to that
Speaker 1: movie stand out even more than it does.
Speaker 2: Again, well it should this. Oh hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: I'm saying the ending to Django Unchained had to be
Speaker 2: super epic, Okay, like like you can't have a soft
Speaker 2: ending to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this film right here, Yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: define it as a slow burn, but it definitely it's
Speaker 1: not like it's a ton of action, but like it
Speaker 1: has its moments.
Speaker 2: But for this, yeah, yeah I thought it was. There
Speaker 2: was a ton dude. The last Yeah, the last half. No,
Speaker 2: I would even say more than that. Yeah, I would
Speaker 2: say at least fifty minutes. Yeah. Again, I don't again
Speaker 2: I want to sound like I'm saying it was boring
Speaker 2: at all. It apps wasn't. But the first thirty minutes
Speaker 2: was like there was a lot of expositions. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and maybe necessary, maybe not, but it didn't stick. And
Speaker 2: I and I think that's because we we've talked about
Speaker 2: this before. What was the movie It's Caught Stealing, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it was Caught Stealing. Yeah. And we brought
Speaker 2: this up with a couple of films where it seems
Speaker 2: like it's got all the makings right and and then
Speaker 2: you like, your appetizer's good, the salad's good, the drinks
Speaker 2: are great, and you get to the main course and
Speaker 2: there's just god, this should have been so much better
Speaker 2: if you put all the effort into the into the
Speaker 2: preamble of this film and of this, of this fictional
Speaker 2: meal I'm talking about. You got to be able to
Speaker 2: get the entree right. And to me or the dessert,
Speaker 2: I guess as it were, to me like this felt
Speaker 2: like a little rushed right. It felt like there there
Speaker 2: should have been a little bit more. Now. I don't
Speaker 2: know what you know, shooting was like and maybe you know,
Speaker 2: they only had so much time and the budget they
Speaker 2: ran out of, but I don't know, but it just
Speaker 2: seemed like this was a little hand to gottish to like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's what we're gonna do. And and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like looking around, like really this is the
Speaker 2: solution here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more and what sticks
Speaker 1: out most.
Speaker 3: And in my opinion, I'm like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: I want to say dumbest, but like I really do,
Speaker 3: like I don't understand why it was in the movie
Speaker 3: what part when they place a bet on whether or
Speaker 3: not the plan will work, he's.
Speaker 1: Like you a betting man, He's like I am. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll bet the lay one hundred bucks, meaning I think
Speaker 1: the plan will fail. And at the end of the
Speaker 1: movies like, I owe you a hundred bucks, and there's
Speaker 1: no why was any of that.
Speaker 2: Movie that was just cheeky and fun. I don't think
Speaker 2: I wouldn't read too much into it, but like to
Speaker 2: bring it back to Marvel, when Samuel L.
Speaker 1: Jackson says to Steve Rogers in the First Avengers, I'll
Speaker 1: bet you ten bucks I can show you something you
Speaker 1: haven't seen, and then like forty minutes later, the ship
Speaker 1: turns into an aircraft and he just like discreetly hands
Speaker 1: him a ten dollars bill and they really don't mention
Speaker 1: anything else about it. That's how you pull that off.
Speaker 1: Like this was such a heavy handed like I will
Speaker 1: bet you money that this will happen. Oh well, I
Speaker 1: will accept that bet that this happens, and then the
Speaker 1: plan goes away. It goes He's like, oh, you owe
Speaker 1: me money for this plan. I mean it's same thing. No,
Speaker 1: it's the dumbest. It was so stupid.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like, that was dumb. I don't know why
Speaker 1: this is in the movie. I thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: I don't think the difference it stuck out to me
Speaker 1: between the example that you gave him what happens in
Speaker 1: this movie. I don't think the difference is that this
Speaker 1: deep yawning chasm that you're thinking.
Speaker 2: It is exactly as yawning as it is.
Speaker 1: It's about to send me on a rampage. I can't
Speaker 1: I I like, I can't wait till someone else sees
Speaker 1: the movie. Somebody please back me up on this because
Speaker 1: it just sticks out. It's just like to bring it
Speaker 1: back to cot stealing. It reminds me of somebody thinking
Speaker 1: they're being clever. It reminds me of a stupid person's
Speaker 1: idea of being clever. Okay, but I'm like this, I
Speaker 1: don't know why this is in the movie. Like, there
Speaker 1: was no man betting beforehand. It's not like this is
Speaker 1: playing off as something that happened earlier in the movie,
Speaker 1: because the whole bet. If they would have placed the
Speaker 1: bet thirty minutes into the movie and then paid it
Speaker 1: off ninety minutes in, I'd be like, Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: fun thing. They placed the bet ten minutes before the
Speaker 1: bet was paid off, and I was like, what was
Speaker 1: the point of any of this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a stupid well I mean okay, So
Speaker 2: for you, it's the time, the running time that between
Speaker 2: said bet, right.
Speaker 1: Just like it, because like the bets placed in Avengers,
Speaker 1: when he's punching the bag, yeah, that's the first thing
Speaker 1: you see him in, and then you meet all the
Speaker 1: other Avengers. There's enough time for you to forget that
Speaker 1: a bet even happened. And then it turns into a
Speaker 1: plane and he doesn't even say anything. He walks up
Speaker 1: sides a ten dollars bet, Fury looks at it like,
Speaker 1: nods his head, and then they keep talking.
Speaker 2: They don't even mention it. That's how that's that's rewarding
Speaker 2: really active viewers. Right, So here's here's what your problem is.
Speaker 2: You are a filetman, young connoisseur, and you're looking down
Speaker 2: on the people that can enjoy a good cheeseburger bun.
Speaker 2: That's what it is. That's not even a cheeseburger. That's
Speaker 2: like you freaking scraped some I don't even know how
Speaker 2: it's not. It's not it's not. You may I understand
Speaker 2: why you don't like it. To me, it wasn't that
Speaker 2: big of a deal. But we didn't make me hate it.
Speaker 2: It made me stink of like why did any of
Speaker 2: that happen? Yeah, that was that was completely It's not
Speaker 2: like you dragged on. It's like thirty seconds total of
Speaker 2: screen time. Like even the pie scene, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got to try those pies.
Speaker 1: That ah, that was better. Yeah, because then he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat that pie now. Like they don't really
Speaker 1: draw attention to it. They just show me in the pies.
Speaker 2: Like you're you're wow. I don't want to ruin it now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that was one thing when when that was sort
Speaker 2: of the seed was planted in my mind. I feel
Speaker 2: like like, ever since we started doing this show, I
Speaker 2: need to have like a notepad yeah and say that
Speaker 2: for weeks and write down things that I think are
Speaker 2: going to be meaningful later on and see how many
Speaker 2: of them actually and and you know, kind of at
Speaker 2: a certain point, Ben, I don't want to keep track
Speaker 2: because I like forgetting them and then remember that in
Speaker 2: the moment, oh suther Than like, well they haven't brought
Speaker 2: up this color blind thing yet. You know. It's so
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want to. We kind of
Speaker 2: knew we were getting going into this, did Yeah. I
Speaker 2: mean the level of quality I should say, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: the level of quality storyline, I didn't know what we
Speaker 2: were getting, yeah, but the level of quality I had
Speaker 2: certain expectations. Yeah, So to see some of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why it doesn't bother me as much, because
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, whatever, and it's do we know who
Speaker 2: the director was? Did you have that up? No? Hold
Speaker 2: on one second, Yeah, And I did not. Normally I
Speaker 2: pay attention to this kind of stuff, and for whatever
Speaker 2: reason I didn't on this film. I don't know if
Speaker 2: this guy Ben Wheatley Wheatly, what is it? What else
Speaker 2: is he done?
Speaker 1: Let's see here and wh there we go? English? She's
Speaker 1: an English filmmaker. Maybe that's why it felt weird. High
Speaker 1: Rise with Tom Hiddleston. The Meg two, which I've never
Speaker 1: actually gotten the whole way through. Meg one was good though,
Speaker 1: movie called hill List that looks like I should probably
Speaker 1: see it just based on the cover, and then a
Speaker 1: bunch of crap we've definitely never heard of Sightseers a
Speaker 1: field in England, something called free Fire in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: How old is he? But but bu fifty three?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he looks like he has about a dozen
Speaker 1: or so titles to his name and really nothing outside
Speaker 1: of Meg going Blockbusters something called Rebecca.
Speaker 2: Hold on, did he do Meg and Meg too? Nope?
Speaker 1: Just Meg two, which I found to be uh sucky
Speaker 1: compared to the first.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that's I'm trying to think. Is
Speaker 2: that the resort one? Yeah? Yeah, it's cool. End Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just like it. When you take it to the
Speaker 2: next level, that's great stuff. Did you see?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've gotten to the ending. If
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I think I just get distracted.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I'm checked out at this at
Speaker 1: this point because like one of my biggest fears in life,
Speaker 1: like in the first Meg, when the when the freakin'
Speaker 1: what do you call that? The giant squid just like
Speaker 1: drapes a tentacle over like that is like, if you
Speaker 1: like tried to pluck some of my greatest fears, like
Speaker 1: love crafty and horror is the horror that cuts to
Speaker 1: my soul, and like when that happens, I'm like, like
Speaker 1: the idea of riding in a tiny submarine and a
Speaker 1: part of the ocean that no one's ever been to
Speaker 1: is absolutely the worst conceivable place.
Speaker 2: Especially what was the thing where the people just died.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah that was a while ago, but well then
Speaker 2: yeah not just.
Speaker 1: But like yeah, years bionaires to the submarine and it
Speaker 1: just impressed. It'll never convince me that wasn't sabotage. But anyway,
Speaker 1: what the hell is sabotage? Like like some the dude
Speaker 1: was a multi billionaire and they have like some ready
Speaker 1: or not two style hyjiinks going on behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: you know what i mean. Like I'm sure they're like,
Speaker 1: oh I heard he's going in a submarine. This is
Speaker 1: our perfect time to make it look like an accident,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like.
Speaker 2: To take over the fortune or whatever whenever, Yeah, out
Speaker 2: of the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's competition over the other. Like it's just a
Speaker 1: suspicious way to die, That's all I'm saying. This is
Speaker 1: why you just shouldn't be going to the bottom of
Speaker 1: the ocean anyway.
Speaker 2: You call it a suspicious way to die? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: call it six people going in a very tiny submersible
Speaker 2: that already had issues with it. Apparently we phoned out later, right,
Speaker 2: I'm sure going to the bottom of the ocean, you
Speaker 2: call it suspicious way to die? I say death wish.
Speaker 2: I mean, you are you're kind of asking for you know, I.
Speaker 1: Got Isn't that James Cameron has like a bit of
Speaker 1: a heart on for her, you know, wanting to die
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the ocean apparently because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did the abyss he did.
Speaker 1: He searched the remains of the Titan himself. Then he
Speaker 1: turned that into a film too, I believe.
Speaker 2: And I never saw the second event or not Avengers Avatar.
Speaker 1: Which we successfully avoided the third one as well for
Speaker 1: the purpose And by the way.
Speaker 2: Like do you hear all these people to clamoring like
Speaker 2: right now, like, oh my god Avatar III? Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: no one's saying that. No. Have you have you seen it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean I told you my experience of the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just was falling asleep. I didn't care for it.
Speaker 2: I never really wanted to watch the second one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but in any event, so I already forgot
Speaker 1: the guy's name, Ben Wheatley. I would argue this was
Speaker 1: his best movie. Have you never seen you know, eighty
Speaker 1: percent of his filmography. I would argue he was.
Speaker 2: He ever nominated for any like British Directing Awards or anything,
Speaker 2: for anything? Not because I mean some of these could
Speaker 2: be like, you know, critically acclaimed it across the pond,
Speaker 2: and then you know they just never.
Speaker 1: So, to be fair to your point, under notable work,
Speaker 1: kill List, sightseers, a field in England, high Rise free
Speaker 1: Fire in the Meg are listed for notable work. So
Speaker 1: so he did do the Meg two? Oh sorry, the
Speaker 1: Meg two? Want to be clear?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, kill list intrigues me, Like that's the only one
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in doing. Any I liked it a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know too much about it except that it
Speaker 1: that this sub kept recommending mixes Folkhore and marriage drama.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm out you like the roses? I did? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did, but that was more for comedic purposes, That's sure.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Although I like together If you didn't see that with
Speaker 1: Dave Franco and Alison Brie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have seen clips. Yeah, I know what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I knew that this was not going to be a
Speaker 2: pleasant watch. Yeah, so I decided that I would just
Speaker 2: find out what happened in it. Well you do that
Speaker 2: for every movie, not every movie the movie there, I've
Speaker 2: never done it with a Marvel movie. Okay, Well, yeah
Speaker 2: that's right. I mean, if I know I'm going to
Speaker 2: see it, ain't no way. I mean like I'm avoiding
Speaker 2: the internet period, you know. But no, so that together movie.
Speaker 2: So they're they're married in real life? Oh really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Alison Brie and Dave Franco are real life husband and wife.
Speaker 2: They got sued. I think I told you this. They
Speaker 2: got sued, oh for stealing the blog, for stealing the plot. Yeah, bastards. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the result of that lossuit was.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they paid that guy off. And then I
Speaker 2: think a Dave Franco in twenty one Jump Street, right, sure,
Speaker 2: and super Bad. Not that he was in super Bad
Speaker 2: a ton but I and the Magic movies. Then now
Speaker 2: you see me. You know, I don't want to see
Speaker 2: him in a horror movie, much less with Alison Brie.
Speaker 2: One of the darlings of community. Yeah, and who is
Speaker 2: the Macy's holiday spokesperson, But like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: see that ye where they're like, weird stuff is happening.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you loved it. It is not my cup
Speaker 2: of tea. Now, if you would have suggested it, yeah,
Speaker 2: we would have watched it. But but that.
Speaker 1: Was Yeah, I think I watched it during the tenure
Speaker 1: of this show, and I was just like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to bring this one because you make some concessions
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: There was another there was another film that actually came
Speaker 2: out right around that same time, and I think you
Speaker 2: saw it too, The Substance. No, it wasn't the Substance,
Speaker 2: but it was another film that had something to do.
Speaker 2: It was like a horror. I wouldn't say romance. It
Speaker 2: was something of the same ilk where it was like
Speaker 2: these two partners that were having issues and bad stuff
Speaker 2: started happening to them, but not what it was happening. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: and together, but there was something and I can't remember
Speaker 2: what it was besides the point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, in any event, so I think we kind
Speaker 1: of took a shot on this director and again, like again,
Speaker 1: I don't want it to sound like the ending was sloppy.
Speaker 1: There's moments this is your run of the mill average.
Speaker 1: I compared it to the style of Four Brothers and
Speaker 1: that it's a random action movie you expect nothing from
Speaker 1: and when those pleasantly surprise you, in my opinion, it
Speaker 1: hits harder. You mentioned it as well during the tease,
Speaker 1: you're like, with no expectations. That's oftentimes when you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I actually enjoyed that. And I think that really plays
Speaker 1: into the hands, like we almost might be doing it
Speaker 1: a disservice, but being like, actually, there there's a lot
Speaker 1: to like in this movie, because you know, we went
Speaker 1: into like this could absolutely suck the.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering, I'm thinking out loud here, and we've
Speaker 2: talked about sloppy endings in the past, Ben, is this
Speaker 2: an US problem where where we watch something, we view
Speaker 2: something and we're expecting certain things or or hoping for
Speaker 2: certain things, and when something falls not necessarily flat, but
Speaker 2: falls differently than what we had hoped for. Is that
Speaker 2: the fault of the filmmaker is that the fault of us.
Speaker 1: I think ending things is very difficult. It's what makes
Speaker 1: stuff like Breaking Bad so awesome. Is that you're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I don't know that a perfect ending could exist, and
Speaker 1: here we are, and like so, so I just think
Speaker 1: this is a matter of you've written yourself into this situation.
Speaker 2: How can you get out of it?
Speaker 1: And then I think this falls more into the vein
Speaker 1: of Game of Thrones because you don't. I think the
Speaker 1: worst thing you can be in filmmaking is predictable, and
Speaker 1: with so much media out there today, it's just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've seen bank heist movies, We've seen you know, violence movies,
Speaker 1: and so many different ways. How can we take this
Speaker 1: in a direction that you definitely haven't seen done before
Speaker 1: in a movie, And.
Speaker 2: That was what they tried to do here. That's a
Speaker 2: good point, and you take a risk.
Speaker 1: Doing that though, because like sometimes you take there's a
Speaker 1: reason why things are cliche because they work. But like
Speaker 1: at the same time, when you're critical of something, I
Speaker 1: don't want the cliches. I say, take your shot, and
Speaker 1: I will always commend. That's why I'm being so nice
Speaker 1: to this movie. I will commend taking a shot and
Speaker 1: missing versus playing it safe and being boring. That's what
Speaker 1: I absolutely That's why I watched the horror movies with
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars budgets, because like, you know what, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll see something here that I've never seen before, Whereas
Speaker 1: you know, you watch your fourth Conjuring movie, You're like,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm getting out of this. And so
Speaker 1: because it works people, Yeah, it makes a billion freaking
Speaker 1: dollars every time it comes out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think another issue I had with the ending
Speaker 2: I was channeling Kill Bill Volume one, sure how that ended, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I thought there was going to be more of,
Speaker 2: not a tribute to that, but I thought there was
Speaker 2: gonna be more similarities to that where rather than just
Speaker 2: kind of what it devolved to at the end. But again,
Speaker 2: I think that's a me problem because I was hoping
Speaker 2: that I would see something that I had enjoyed before,
Speaker 2: and perhaps if I would have seen it in the
Speaker 2: same way, I wouldn't have been enjoyed it as much, Right,
Speaker 2: And being different sometimes requires The thing I get hung
Speaker 2: up on is being different shouldn't mean being sloppy, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And maybe I'm just expecting too much of everybody who
Speaker 2: makes a film nowadays, but I was a little bit disappointed.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean it doesn't reach the depths like
Speaker 1: the worst ending of the existence of off topic was
Speaker 1: the ending to him like I've never Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was just so mad when I was walking out
Speaker 1: of that theater because I expected so much out of
Speaker 1: that movie. It looked like I was and I thought
Speaker 1: there were some cool components. This doesn't reach that level.
Speaker 1: It's just slapstick in a movie that Buying Large does
Speaker 1: have its slapstick moments, for sure, But that was the
Speaker 1: first time that it really felt full blown, just like okay,
Speaker 1: like I'm here for it. It actually was reminiscent of
Speaker 1: Ready or Not in a lot of ways. It's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. That's a good point too. There's movies that
Speaker 1: treat death with a little more I don't want to
Speaker 1: say respect, because you don't have to do it that way.
Speaker 1: It's just like you kind of have to commit to
Speaker 1: one or the other. And this one felt like it
Speaker 1: wanted to have its cake and eat it too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then they shoehorn in.
Speaker 1: I wanted to save this till the end because I
Speaker 1: didn't want people to shut off the podcast as soon
Speaker 1: as you say this, but they definitely shoot like shoehorned in,
Speaker 1: like a gender identity message in there in that the
Speaker 1: second half of the movie as well, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: what does any of.
Speaker 2: This have to do? Hold on? What was the gender identity?
Speaker 1: Like the daughter of the four the share is like
Speaker 1: I self identified as non binary. They don't say it
Speaker 1: in as many words, but like she very clearly was
Speaker 1: in the middle of transitioning and they even at one
Speaker 1: point say, well, this is the new normal.
Speaker 2: See, this is this is the I didn't even pick
Speaker 2: up on that. I think that was on purpose.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there and I'm just like, man, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why any of this has to be
Speaker 1: in here it all and they just kind of leaned
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: Obviously it didn't resonate with you. I promised you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I promise was there. I was okay, I mean I
Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: And then so like then I'm sitting there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: so what does this ending have to do with?
Speaker 2: Like what are they trying to tell me with this ending?
Speaker 2: And I just can't figure it out. My mom My
Speaker 2: mom has said this about certain things that she watches
Speaker 2: now compared to forty years ago, even twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: where different things are shoehorned in for seemingly no. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I'm fine like putting stuff in. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: just felt like extra. Yeah, so and I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe that's something. Hey, if you want this film made,
Speaker 2: you have to put this in.
Speaker 1: Now that I think about it, I think I figured
Speaker 1: out why you were confused about the part you want
Speaker 1: to talk to me about off the air, So we'll
Speaker 1: get into that.
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think it's what you think
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe all right, but I mean I've said about
Speaker 1: all I have to say about h Yeah, we can.
Speaker 1: I've been going back and forth even while talking to you.
Speaker 1: I was prepared to go as high as seven and
Speaker 1: a half and prepared to drop as low as six.
Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, I'll
Speaker 1: just split the diff and go six point five. That's
Speaker 1: not the difference, well, because it's important to be six
Speaker 1: point seven six, six point seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, halfway between six and seven a half. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was gonna give it a seven. So I'm glad that
Speaker 2: you went a little bit lower me because I think
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah. Then, because I think I enjoyed this
Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, I think we both like this
Speaker 2: was fun. Yes, exactly, it's your favorite kind of movie. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It was a pleasant surprise for something that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: expect him. By the way, like I include Precinct thirteen
Speaker 1: on them as well, even though that's a classic. But
Speaker 1: like I'm just like, ah, it's just it's just it's fun.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm engaged right until until the end.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely. It really it really sucks you in
Speaker 2: with the questions you start asking yourself and and then
Speaker 2: obviously when the twist happens, and then the resolution and
Speaker 2: the final part of the story. It had all the elements.
Speaker 1: Well like let's be real, uh, Mark Wahlberg emerging in
Speaker 1: the bright whiteness on the on the Frozen Lake at
Speaker 1: the end of Four Brothers that he knocks out Victor
Speaker 1: Sweet and he goes put him in the hole, Like
Speaker 1: that's stupid, and I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. That's my point is, like, you know, when
Speaker 2: when Victor Sweet's like, oh, who's gonna take me on?
Speaker 2: Who's in it? We all know it was all about
Speaker 2: the entrance. This is like a I've been watching a
Speaker 2: lot of pro wrestlings lately. It was all about the entrance.
Speaker 2: It's all about the pomp and the circumstance of him,
Speaker 2: but objectively cartoonish. Yeah, but we love it, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so like it's a fine line, I guess, is
Speaker 1: my point. And this one just went too far the
Speaker 1: other way. And and to me, that's why I love
Speaker 1: these kind of movies. It's just just like, oh, and
Speaker 1: we'll never see normal too, We'll never see three Brothers?
Speaker 2: Did you hear? By the way of this? I read
Speaker 2: this John Malkovich, and I can't remember who the director was.
Speaker 2: They shot a movie called one hundred Years. They shot
Speaker 2: it in Oh yeah, it's in a time capsule, who whatever,
Speaker 2: and it's not gonna be released till twenty one to fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll never see that, right. Does that irritate you as
Speaker 2: much as it irritates me? Yeah? No, a whole for
Speaker 2: one hundred years from now, and they're gonna have no
Speaker 2: respect for it or not one hundred years now, we're
Speaker 2: like ninety years away. Ah well, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: Maybe I do. People, you've seen how society is devolving.
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna care about a John Malkovich, whoever the director
Speaker 2: it's a well known director too. By the way, I
Speaker 2: guess i'd like you.
Speaker 1: You'd have to struggle to get me to watch a movie,
Speaker 1: just a regular movie.
Speaker 2: From nineteen twenty six. That's definitely you can't compare the
Speaker 2: two because because filmmaking is is so different.
Speaker 1: Now do you hear how you sound? You're telling me
Speaker 1: in a hundred years. Marvel just fired their entire special
Speaker 1: effects crew and they said, yeah, Doomsday is gonna have
Speaker 1: a ton of AI special effects. Yeah, And like you're
Speaker 1: telling me they're not gonna, did you can? I actually
Speaker 1: I'm segueing now, Yeah, Marvel fired like that. This is
Speaker 1: what sucks is I'm very good at ignoring major companies,
Speaker 1: like I don't buy stuff off Amazon. Like my one
Speaker 1: weakness is Disney, and I love this Marvel stuff. They
Speaker 1: fired Disney in twenty twenty five made thirty five billion
Speaker 1: dollars in profit. They fired one thousand people off of
Speaker 1: their spec effects crew, including Andy Park, who has been
Speaker 1: included in every single Marvel movie, creating essentially the visual
Speaker 1: identity of the MCU from twenty ten until twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: over thirty movies, a dozen or so TV shows. Andy
Speaker 1: Park's names on every single one of them, and they
Speaker 1: fired him last week and that just sucks. That just
Speaker 1: sucks because he's an important part of it, all of
Speaker 1: the process. They want to start using AI, They're going
Speaker 1: to have freelance video special effects people. They no longer
Speaker 1: have a dedicated team, laid off a thousand people. Obviously
Speaker 1: they all matter, but this guy really created some of
Speaker 1: the best things in my opinion like that, like in
Speaker 1: terms of movies that I enjoy seeing and the idea
Speaker 1: that nowhere in the Guardians of the Galaxy might not
Speaker 1: look the way that it does were he not there
Speaker 1: giving his insight into what it is and they just
Speaker 1: cast him aside. I hope DC picked him up already
Speaker 1: because I hope he gets back in the industry.
Speaker 2: James Gunn probably has a lot of relationships I would
Speaker 2: imagine from I would have to think so and so.
Speaker 1: But like that kind of you kind of segue me
Speaker 1: there saying that things won't change a bunch in one
Speaker 1: hundred years.
Speaker 2: Oh they will, but that's even going to prove my
Speaker 2: point more like like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the people won't care. I kind of see what
Speaker 1: you're getting from there, but I'm pissed about it.
Speaker 2: There was so this. Watching this film, it got me
Speaker 2: like it's springboard me. I was, I was no Roofman.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about Roofman. And I was googling unsolved
Speaker 2: crime cases or whatever, just to like, you know, like
Speaker 2: you know, because you secretly kind of yeah, you want
Speaker 2: to secretly root for these people to get away with it.
Speaker 2: So I'm reading all this stuff and then I read
Speaker 2: something and I one thing led to another, and I
Speaker 2: was started falling in the rabbit hole of the Thomas
Speaker 2: Crown affair. Remember this film from this is almost thirty
Speaker 2: years old now. Pierce Brosnan renee Russo, I don't think
Speaker 2: I saw it. Pierce Brosnan's an art thief. Oh sure, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and this is a remake of Steve McQueen and I
Speaker 2: want to say, fade done away from like the fifties
Speaker 2: or sixties or whatever. And so I was I read
Speaker 2: I was reading the Wikipeda. Obviously I never saw the
Speaker 2: McQueen one. I was reading the Wikipedia on it, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, God, this sounds cool, but I guarantee if
Speaker 2: I watched it, I'm yeah, it's gonna suck you like,
Speaker 2: because I'm spoiled by modern filmmaking. You know, and and
Speaker 2: there's now there's a lot of stuff too, Like I'll
Speaker 2: go back my my dad raised me and my brother's
Speaker 2: on the Marx Brothers, Like we watched all the I
Speaker 2: thought they're hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, you know, and I was pleasantly surprised one
Speaker 1: of those channels, TMC or something did basically for an
Speaker 1: entire month just whenever you turned it on it was
Speaker 1: a Hitchcock movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's another that's classic. Yeah, that's great stuff.
Speaker 1: And not even the stuff you've heard of, Like there
Speaker 1: was a movie called Rope Rope that's it's so good
Speaker 1: and the way they shot it, they make it look
Speaker 1: like one continuous take. Yeah, and like it's very cool.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, I can't believe this is
Speaker 1: from nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2: It was very cool to work geniuses in every generation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's always gonna be outliars, but yeah, by and large.
Speaker 1: Have I told you the Eric Clifton quote. No, they
Speaker 1: ask him, they say what it's like, what is it like?
Speaker 1: Because you know, he's obviously one of the greats in
Speaker 1: terms of guitar playing. They say, how do you feel
Speaker 1: looking at music today compared to what music was like?
Speaker 1: When you were making it and how far it's fallen
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: He says.
Speaker 1: Well, music, He's like, here's the thing. Music today. Ninety
Speaker 1: eight percent of it is crap and two percent of
Speaker 1: it is good. He says, when I was making music,
Speaker 1: ninety eight percent of it was crap and two percent
Speaker 1: of it was good. You just remember the good part.
Speaker 2: YEP, that's a great point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: South Park played into that because they did a Stranger
Speaker 1: Thing spoof. They're like, oh, and we get to listen
Speaker 1: to eighties music and they played the worst eighties music
Speaker 1: you've ever heard, because you only think of the bangers
Speaker 1: from the eighties and they play a lot.
Speaker 2: They're like, what is this? But like this, did you
Speaker 2: see the trailer? I don't even know if it does.
Speaker 2: It come out tomorrow. Of the Tales from eighty five
Speaker 2: no netflicks. So it's an animated thing, and it's set
Speaker 2: between I think seasons one and seasons two of Stranger Things,
Speaker 2: so it's all all the normal characters, but everything's animated.
Speaker 2: My son made me watch it, lest Oh doesn't this
Speaker 2: look great? I wish it was an an animated I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: no kidding. I wish they could freeze these actors in
Speaker 2: time to keep them the same edge and just keep
Speaker 2: making more stranger things. That's not the way it works.
Speaker 2: But it looked it had a very AI developed five
Speaker 2: more years. It had a very what if vibe? Oh cool? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we'll see what. I have to keep an eye
Speaker 2: out there, all right, uh next week? Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 2: there's two options here. Sure I gotta remember, make sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember. We have the Michael Jackson biopic.
Speaker 2: Sure is it biopic or biopic? Oh, don't even get
Speaker 2: me started. I honestly I use them interchangeably. We have
Speaker 2: not accurate, but I know one way is right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, biopic feels right, but it's also a bio picture.
Speaker 1: So I like, that's why I go back and forth
Speaker 1: on I don't know. The dude who created gifts says
Speaker 1: it's pronounced jiff.
Speaker 2: I still pronounce it jiff because that's what he.
Speaker 1: Said, right, But if I gave you a gift, you
Speaker 1: will be like, no, you didn't, you gave me a gift.
Speaker 2: That dude didn't invent jiffs.
Speaker 1: He invented jiffs anyway. So it's getting review bombed by
Speaker 1: the way. Apparently people are upset about how it kind
Speaker 1: of it doesn't really address uh, the end of his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I okay, I guess it does take us through.
Speaker 2: It's not like a Johnny Cash where it's like one
Speaker 2: part of his life or what have you. Okay, So there's.
Speaker 1: That, and if we actually watched that, we might have
Speaker 1: to go down a rabbit hole where I think he
Speaker 1: was framed.
Speaker 2: But anyway, go ahead, Yeah, do you think he was
Speaker 2: framed for? I don't think. I don't even get me going, man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you going. I just answer this question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, he acted in I don't know that
Speaker 1: he was ever found guilty. So as of right now,
Speaker 1: it's all just accusations as to what ended up happening.
Speaker 2: Okay. O. J. Simpson was found not guilty, Yeah, of
Speaker 2: murdering Nicole Brown Simpson. I know, I know. I think
Speaker 2: that's not an appropriate comparison. Why is it not appropriate?
Speaker 2: They're both innocent or they're both not guilty, right.
Speaker 1: I'm just more skeptical about one than the other, is
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. I'm like, m, this feels like character assassination.
Speaker 1: The further along ago.
Speaker 2: The King of Pop. Yeah, all right, So that's why
Speaker 2: it's getting bombed as well. I'm just saying, all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know it's a sensitive issue for a lot of people. Still, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: So there's that one and then there's the other one
Speaker 2: I mentioned, which I think intrigued you over My Dead
Speaker 2: Body Yeah with Jason Siegel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one appeals to me more because I've never
Speaker 1: been a big bye because like Landon Moore are a
Speaker 1: news Zanchory never had seen any movie. Like I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: clever girl. He's like, what the hell is that? And
Speaker 1: I'm like Jurassic Park. He's like, I've never seen it,
Speaker 1: Like Landing get a freaking VCR man. But but uh,
Speaker 1: he's like, oh do you see Like he never talks
Speaker 1: me about movies. He's like, did you see the Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson movies coming out? And just like I'm really not
Speaker 1: into biopics. I think I said biopics and uh and
Speaker 1: I was, and I was like, but I might be
Speaker 1: seeing it for the podcast, in which case.
Speaker 2: The other thing too, is like you had you had
Speaker 2: walk the line Joaquin Phoenix Academy Award winner, Sure, the
Speaker 2: one with Queen Bohemian Raps. Yeah, Rammy Mallick Academy Award winner,
Speaker 2: even the Elton John one with was an Angle or
Speaker 2: whatever his name is from The Watchman. No he's not.
Speaker 2: He was from Elk Kingsman whatever, that's what I meant, Kingsman, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then you had Elvis with the guy I can
Speaker 2: never he was from Once upon a time in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I can't think of what his name is now, the
Speaker 2: guy who played Elvis in that film Academy Award winner. This,
Speaker 2: this guy playing Michael Jackson is like Michael Jackson's nephew
Speaker 2: or something like, I don't even know if he's like, well,
Speaker 2: he looks so much like him, that's yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 2: you would have Butler Butler, yeah, yeah. So so this
Speaker 2: guy and I think he is an actor, like it's
Speaker 2: not like they just got him. But his chops are
Speaker 2: are his and I should say his chops. His reputation
Speaker 2: is history to me is sketchy at best. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: to put this on him, but maybe it was destined
Speaker 2: to fail, I don't know who knows.
Speaker 1: And again, the audiences are loving it, critics are are
Speaker 1: bashing it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so critics are who's review bombing it? Then that
Speaker 2: critics okay, Then then this is just a case of
Speaker 2: them having an axe to grind about. Uh, upset with
Speaker 2: the ending, clearly well, upset with the non I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't even have to say the ending. Upset with
Speaker 2: with stuff that was not included in the story such
Speaker 2: I guess kind of is the ending. You're right. But
Speaker 2: if critics, if audiences love it, yeah, maybe it is good.
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, we don't have to do it. We don't.
Speaker 1: Inherently, it's much more just like essentially a rundown of
Speaker 1: his greatest hits instead of like actually being a narrative.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the way that it's being described. But
Speaker 1: a lot of people love the music, Like I could
Speaker 1: be talked to you.
Speaker 2: I love the music too, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: go see a musical. Yeah, make there are Michael Jackson
Speaker 2: musicals you can see absolutely. I'm not.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's do over my dead body. Yeah that
Speaker 1: that feels exciting anyway in that premis I think that's
Speaker 1: going to be more fun to talk about.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree, because then yeah, no rabbit holes
Speaker 2: for me. I don't want to be like, oh, remember
Speaker 2: when when Jaffar Jackson or whatever, Remember when he did
Speaker 2: that thriller dance. Yeah, that was Yeah. Nobody wants to
Speaker 2: hear it. We don't want to talk about Yeah. Perfect.
Speaker 1: Then we got we got our solution to that, and
Speaker 1: we'll jump into that with you guys next week.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.