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<v Speaker 1>You know what my favorite kind of movie is is

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<v Speaker 1>the is the generic action blockbuster that clearly doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>sequel potential.

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<v Speaker 2>That is your favorite kind of movie?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, honest to God. And I'll say this, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this from the bottom of my heart. One of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite movies of all time is Four Brothers because

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<v Speaker 1>you go into it. I saw it in theaters. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like my heart was beating a mile a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta tell you my Four Brothers. Yeah, hit me

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<v Speaker 2>with this. Okay, so I'm in this. Obviously, not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people like this is not like a big

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<v Speaker 2>budget no you know film.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I think my friends and I were the only

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<v Speaker 1>people in the theater.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to come off and say I am not racist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's always a good start. These things actually happened and

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<v Speaker 2>sparsely attended. It wasn't even opening weekend. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. There's probably like thirty forty people in there, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a scene where I think it's Garrett headliner

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Wahlberg lifts up the bed and there's all these

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<v Speaker 2>this ammunition. Yeah. Ok, yeah, this guy clearly black, sitting

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<v Speaker 2>two rows in front of me, probably about eight or

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<v Speaker 2>nine seats over. He goes, whoa that looked like my house,

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<v Speaker 2>which I thought was funny. Okay, there is another guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He may or may not have been with him. It

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<v Speaker 2>was coming from the same spot. And this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is so Wisconsin. He's on his phone, like not even

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<v Speaker 2>trying to hide the conversation like it was just like.

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<v Speaker 1>A normal talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like and not like this, but he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to like like he was talking just casually, like if

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<v Speaker 2>he's like out in public or was in his house

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And finally, some Wisconsin guy in the most

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin accent you could imagine, he turns around and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see him, but I know he turned around because

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<v Speaker 2>how his voice is coming. And he goes, hey, get

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<v Speaker 2>off your phone, like super loud, and I'm like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god. And then the guy just kept talking for

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<v Speaker 2>another few seconds. Then I hear him go here goes

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<v Speaker 2>say something like hang on or hold on, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he just says kind of loud, louder than on his phone,

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<v Speaker 2>but not really. He goes, man, shuts your bitch ass up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, and I was like, I will

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<v Speaker 2>never forget what I saw. Four brothers. It was tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>and then everybody laughed when he said that. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>of course that pulls the whole thing together.

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<v Speaker 1>And like to me, like, I've seen that movie, like

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<v Speaker 1>you described that scene, I can see it perfectly because

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen that movie way too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say proud, because it's on TV a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet I've seen it like fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Times, easy, easy, and I just absolutely love it. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>even include, just from this podcast, running Man, just a

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<v Speaker 1>generic action movie. You could technically get a sequel out

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<v Speaker 1>of that one. But I love that genre of film

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<v Speaker 1>because when it's done right.

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<v Speaker 2>You could get a sequel out of Four Brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't though, well, I mean I'm gonna be called

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<v Speaker 1>three Brothers spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because then there's like another long lost Oh we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know he was our brother, and I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>think who that Who that would be Glenn Powell and like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, you were our brother too. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>you could definitely do like somebody obviously took over like

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<v Speaker 2>chowelte Cha four, like somebody took over his cri. Yeah sure,

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<v Speaker 2>Victor Sweet, Yeah yeah, Victor Sweet. And you could definitely

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<v Speaker 2>make a sequel on now it's been too long and

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<v Speaker 2>it won't happen, but I could. Yeah, I could see it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a one off. It's just a solid ninety

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of fun movie that was experience ninety minutes, though

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't one hundred and twenty, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy, I don't know that it was one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll look it up later. But my point is is

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<v Speaker 1>that we watched Normal, and I am including this flick

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<v Speaker 1>in that pantheon of movies where it's a ninety one

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<v Speaker 1>minute experience. Yeah, tells a very nice, self included story. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you could get a sequel out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Technically you say original too, Because I'm watching this movie, Ben, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, am I in the right theater? Like for

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<v Speaker 2>how it opened? Oh? Yeah, you know, I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is really weird now. I remember then. I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking back to the trailer and I'm like, okay, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>there was something going on here with the Japanese like

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<v Speaker 2>that that this is not, you know, because it's set obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Normal is set in the fictional town of Normal, Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a very small, po dunk, classic stereotypical Midwestern

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<v Speaker 2>town right well on paper, on paper, that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>where it's set. And then at you know, things you

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<v Speaker 2>start to understand like, okay, this is not your average

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<v Speaker 2>run of the mill, meat and potatoes, midwestern town. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the Japanese I remember in the in the trailer,

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<v Speaker 2>like the last part of the trailer, like the button

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<v Speaker 2>on the trailer was were these Japanese business guys with

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<v Speaker 2>the pager And I'm like, Okay, something's going on, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like and I forgot about that

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<v Speaker 2>when I was watching this nice story. Yes, super original

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I agree that there's been nothing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember a film that was done that had

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of twist to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I I'm one hundred percent on board with you. And

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<v Speaker 1>I loved their efforts at foreshadowing, like there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>of this because you know, because you've seen the trailer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know something's amiss in the town. And like they're

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<v Speaker 1>just driving through the town and they're like, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen point six million to build this. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm justlexic to rebuild this.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, this town hall, the town really came together.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and it's like and then they never bring it

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<v Speaker 1>up again. It's just like bop there's a locker with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of locks on. He's like, yeah, it's stumper moovers,

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<v Speaker 1>like the old fashioned kind. And I'm sitting there because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not an outdoorsy guy. I'm like, I wonder why

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<v Speaker 1>you got a lock stumper movers. I'm excited, like you

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<v Speaker 1>definitely it's piqued your interest. You know you're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>that locker again. But they don't talk about it for

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<v Speaker 1>an hour, and you're just like, it's just such a

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<v Speaker 1>fun way to do a half hour where it really

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<v Speaker 1>it lulls you into the boring small town life kind

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<v Speaker 1>of in the movie in a way that was still

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<v Speaker 1>but I found it engaging. I wasn't bored. I wasn't like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this is dragging. I was like, I can tell everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is being vague about stuff and weird things are happening.

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<v Speaker 1>But the main character, Bob Odenkirk aka Ulysses just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of he's then he just goes about his business and

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<v Speaker 1>you find out why that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Things with a suspicious eye like court, he can tell

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<v Speaker 2>something's amiss. The other thing too when you talk about him.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect character for the build up too, because you want

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<v Speaker 2>like he's an interim sheriff number one. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 2>that was a thing like an interim sheriff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I knew if something happens to a sheriff,

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<v Speaker 2>you obviously have to have somebody assume the position, But

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize that was something you could do where

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<v Speaker 2>he was like a quasi career interim sheriff or is

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<v Speaker 2>this but like this is what he did. He looked

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<v Speaker 2>for interim interim sheriff ships or whatever you call him.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing, ben aren't the laws different in

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<v Speaker 2>every little municipality. How does he know what to enforce

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<v Speaker 2>when he's got to learn it anyway? So that to

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<v Speaker 2>me kind of was intriguing to me, like who does this?

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<v Speaker 2>What happened to him to cause him to want to

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<v Speaker 2>do this? He's like sixty in this film. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the time when you're settling in for your last little

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<v Speaker 2>stint of your career, stint of your career, right, like

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be going out and seeking so so clearly

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<v Speaker 2>something was going on with him. We saw some backstory,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm gonna ask you off air because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I completely understood everything, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to ruin. I got a little touch and go for

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<v Speaker 2>me as well. I think I never understand like his backstory. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk off there about that. But yeah, but but

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<v Speaker 2>my whole point was like, while this was a super

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<v Speaker 2>slow burn, at least for the first forty five minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a half hour, half hour is probably accurate. First

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<v Speaker 2>it was super slow burn, but it was an intriguing

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<v Speaker 2>slow burn because it was, like you said, was building

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<v Speaker 2>up the layers of Okay, we're getting you to ask

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<v Speaker 2>these questions and we will answer them later, which they did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part, I don't. I don't have any

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<v Speaker 2>lingering questions really, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just done in an entertaining and engaging way.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're watching Bob Odenkirk get driven around by and

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<v Speaker 1>I have at least most of the cast in front

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<v Speaker 1>of your Billy Glellan is his partner.

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<v Speaker 2>The who I thought, you know, who I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was at first was oh, I can't think of his

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<v Speaker 2>name now. He was in he plays a cowboy or

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<v Speaker 2>like a he was in Cana irritate me because I

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<v Speaker 2>know him from Fear of the Walking Dead. But I

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<v Speaker 2>know you don't. Yeah, yeah, no, I'll just I'll you

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<v Speaker 2>tell me more. I'm gonna look this guy up and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna and then you're gonna be like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he does kind of look like him even talk like

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<v Speaker 2>him too.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're they're driving around the town, they're basically going

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<v Speaker 1>through some of the most generic officer calls you can

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<v Speaker 1>possibly imagine. Dispute at a hardware store. One woman's knitting

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<v Speaker 1>and she doesn't like the color of yarn.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost that they center, like like like and then

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<v Speaker 2>and then owen Kirk's like, look, I can't help you,

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<v Speaker 2>And I figured like, oh, it's because he wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>one who centered, But no, he couldn't tell the difference

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<v Speaker 2>between the colors. That's why he couldn't help her.

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<v Speaker 1>And also which also like, can I just say they

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<v Speaker 1>highlight that he's color blind in that scene, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh, I wonder how that that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>come into play later in the movie. It has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the rest of the movie. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a one off line there. But like it does all

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<v Speaker 1>these it really does a great job of world building

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<v Speaker 1>and very quickly, especially if you're familiar with smaller town life,

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<v Speaker 1>like I came from the city in Appleton is by

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<v Speaker 1>no means small relative to this. I believe it was

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<v Speaker 1>a town of eighteen hundred people, is what they end

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<v Speaker 1>up saying. So this is extra small, especially if living

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<v Speaker 1>listening to us anywhere here in the Fox Valley. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think they do a really good job of painting

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<v Speaker 1>the Midwest in a very accurate light. Like that was

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<v Speaker 1>what I was sitting there. I was questioning myself while

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<v Speaker 1>I was watching it because small town, yeah, because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I was like, would I get as much

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<v Speaker 1>out of this if I still lived in Pittsburgh. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I personally have always found Fargo to be overrated. I

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<v Speaker 1>almost want to watch it again now now that I

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<v Speaker 1>have almost four years of Midwest living under my belt,

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<v Speaker 1>and watch it again and see if I noticed the

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<v Speaker 1>little idiosyncrasies this. I think like I did not expect.

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<v Speaker 1>action movie, something in town. Sure you guys want to

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<v Speaker 1>go see that, I'll go see it. This is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those as well. Not a cold day in hell

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<v Speaker 1>in a world where off topic doesn't exist, am I

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<v Speaker 1>over my radar. I would have caught it later when

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<v Speaker 1>it was on HBO or something. Oh, Bob Odenkirkson, this,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see what that's about. And we kind of go

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<v Speaker 1>from there. But between the trailer and the cast, there's

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<v Speaker 1>enough pieces there. But I'm so happy I went to

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<v Speaker 1>were moments where I was like, oh, this reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>This reminds me.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this, And I was kind of running down the list.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody come up at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No, the trailer made it look like nobody. He was

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<v Speaker 1>not equipped for what was happening. This was more like

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, exactly, Yeah, because in Nobody he was like you expect, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's back. You were surprised to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>but like you know, he was equipped and trained.

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<v Speaker 2>Just totally different in this film where he is not

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<v Speaker 2>not pretty indifferent towards it quite frankly. Yes. That was

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<v Speaker 2>being a sheriff to begin with. Yeah, okay, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to bring this up. Garrett Dilla Hunt is who is

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<v Speaker 2>the actor I'm talking about. He looked a lot like

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<v Speaker 2>the deputy sheriff that was driving him around. Garrett Dilla

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<v Speaker 2>Hunt was in No Country for Old Men. He was

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<v Speaker 2>in the assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see that movie? I didn't, dude. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a great movie. He was. He played a sheriff in

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<v Speaker 2>Winter's Bone with Bitch, Yes, totally twelve Years of Slave.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in that one as well. He was Army

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<v Speaker 2>of the Dead where the crawdads sing red right hand,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he's in a bunch of other stuff. That's

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe he's that guy an Army of the Dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Not in a million years, I know exactly. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen Army of the Dead on Netflix? Not in a

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<v Speaker 1>million years. He's like the bad guy running alongside the woman.

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<v Speaker 1>He's huge in that and he is so simple.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have him, you see him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, do you see the similarity in the moment though?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? So? So this, Oh that's not that guy? Okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but he does play like a lot of these, like

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<v Speaker 2>these kind of simpleton characters. Yeah, very but he's a

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<v Speaker 2>talented as squeaky jacket, right so so, and speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>the cast, excuse me, excuse me? So once I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't him, I'm like, well, who else is

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<v Speaker 2>in this? Now? We talked about Henry Winkler was in this.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot Lena Hetty is in this movie too. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even know she was in Game of Thrones obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was in three hundred right, And the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing I thought of when I'm seeing her play in

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<v Speaker 2>this film with that accent, what happened to her career? Oh? Really?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't understand how you go from three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred Ben and Game of Thrones to doing this character, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, not a lot of screen time for

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<v Speaker 2>her in this film, and it was so unlike, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what she has played before. And it's fine if

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<v Speaker 2>it's if you're like Nicholas Cage where you're purposefully doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm trying to think, like, God, what else has

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<v Speaker 1>Not so much but in the game. See, that's just it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people just get lucky. She was the wife in

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<v Speaker 1>the first Purge movie, which was like twenty twelve. She's

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<v Speaker 1>the bad guy in Dread from I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>also twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see that one with Carl Urban.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's the remake right, yeah? Ooh, well you're suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>one to me. That's one that you absolutely have to see. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched that anytime it's on. I would file that

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<v Speaker 1>into the Four Brothers. That was more sequel bait. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll never get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But by the way, because I don't think we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>on this topic maybe until we may not get on

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<v Speaker 2>this the rest of this episode, we talked about doing

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<v Speaker 2>Mortal Kombat too. Oh yeah, absolutely, did you see who

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<v Speaker 2>the star of that movie is? Yeah? And did you

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<v Speaker 2>see who he's playing. Yeah, that's old news. How do

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<v Speaker 2>we get a fifty three year old Carl Urban playing

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<v Speaker 2>John Johnny Cage. I don't know how that's gonna work anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it could work. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that movie review is coming in like two ish weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>But but all that being said, like she's had her roles,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think a lot of times, like you have

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<v Speaker 1>your one shots and then a lot of times you're

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<v Speaker 1>that person. Not to say that she's not a good actress.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she could do other things if she wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought she did well in this movie. No one

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<v Speaker 1>other than Bob O, Like who had more screen time

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<v Speaker 1>her Henry Winkler. Maybe Henry Winkler buy a hair, but

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<v Speaker 1>really not that much. And I'd say her screen time

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<v Speaker 1>was much more monologuey, like Henry Winkler was playing off

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<v Speaker 1>of other characters, where she would go on these long

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<v Speaker 1>diet tribes about her past or what it's like in

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<v Speaker 1>the town and all these things. It felt like Game

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<v Speaker 1>of Thrones moments in some ways, the way that she

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<v Speaker 1>went talk.

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<v Speaker 2>At Midwestern Game of Throne.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And I was even sitting there because obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Game of Thrones is We're ways removed from that at

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<v Speaker 2>Like, is that Surce? Like? It is Circe Like it

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<v Speaker 2>was like one of those kind of mind She had

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<v Speaker 2>that line where I mean, again, not to keep harping

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<v Speaker 2>on this, but oden Kirk asked her for a drink

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<v Speaker 2>or yeah, do you have a drink on you? And

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<v Speaker 2>she goes, well, what kind of a bartender would I

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<v Speaker 2>be if I get it? And I'm like, Jesus, yeah right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're not coming back from this. I mean, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You didn't think I was good? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was. It shouldn't have been her. I

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<v Speaker 2>just expect more from her from from an acting But.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as I saw her in the movie, I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a bad guy, like you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I didn't. I didn't get that, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to touch on that in a little bit, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get that at all, because okay, fine, but I

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<v Speaker 2>would This was so out of left field from her

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<v Speaker 2>to for me to see her playing this role that

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<v Speaker 2>to me, all bets were off, Like Okay, maybe she's

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<v Speaker 2>a she's a good person, she's a good guy. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to expect at this point. And

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, and I don't know if we're spoiling anything here.

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<v Speaker 2>We might be that scene in the prison with her.

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<v Speaker 2>I still didn't know really not, I mean, like until

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<v Speaker 2>the very end where you kind of find out where

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<v Speaker 2>her loyalties lie. Yeah, I still didn't know at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Like anyway, Yeah, can you understand by the because when

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<v Speaker 1>we did our teas for this on my show and

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<v Speaker 1>I said it's a mix of Truman Show and and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody like, I don't see Truman Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you kind of see where I got? Okay, did

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<v Speaker 2>I say I couldn't see Truman Show? I said, you

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<v Speaker 2>said Truman Show. Yeah, I didn't really, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>booted that out Fargo. I didn't. And honestly, like the

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<v Speaker 2>first thirty minutes of it, yeah, I mean I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>compare it to a Cohen Brothers movie, but it had

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of it kind of had that setup, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, then as I'm watching it, like that first

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<v Speaker 2>scene at the bank, when Ulysses is going into the bank,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the point I'm like, oh, I see what Ben's saying. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there is there's a Truman Show aspect to.

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<v Speaker 1>This, yeah, which which I definitely appreciated it. It has

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<v Speaker 1>a very good way of having a mystery for half

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry not to interrupt. The other one that

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<v Speaker 2>I totally thought about when I was watching this, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Hot Fuzz from with Simon peg and Who's never Remember

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, Yeah, you're right, Nick Frost, I think was

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<v Speaker 2>the other name. Yeah, I'm like, dude, this is like,

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<v Speaker 2>like I mean, we said Fargo, Truman Show and nobody,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody's kind and to me, Hot Fuzz I think

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<v Speaker 2>after seeing this is probably the most the most apt comparison. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like Hot Fuzz without the comedy, although there was

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<v Speaker 2>some kind there's definitely some funny parts. It will have

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<v Speaker 2>you in a cell phone conversations with Henry Winkler. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a couple of moments that I found funny.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of emotional moments.

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<v Speaker 2>But what was.

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<v Speaker 1>Impressive with this movie is it's very easy to set

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<v Speaker 1>up a mystery, it's very difficult to pay off a mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>And this when like the big plot twist comes thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty five minutes into the film and it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of plays out. I don't want to say, like a

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<v Speaker 1>generic action, but you're because like there are still some

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<v Speaker 1>fun twists as the movie goes from there, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>much more formulaic than what you're used to, but it

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<v Speaker 1>still feels fresh and exciting and fun, and it never

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<v Speaker 1>stays too long. Like at one point, I thought the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the movie was going to be in the bank,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, this is going to be like

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<v Speaker 1>assault on Precinct thirteen. It's gonna be unlikely allies coming

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<v Speaker 1>together against another entity that wants to take them out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then five minutes later they're out of the bank

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh, yeah, well, I wonder what's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>happen here. And then you start kind of revisiting all

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<v Speaker 1>these characters that you met at the beginning of the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but in an entirely different light. I'm like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is fun. And then the unlikely Allies part ways. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>well wait a minute, and like so they do a

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<v Speaker 1>fun way of keeping me every ten minutes thinking I

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<v Speaker 1>know where we're headed for the rest of the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>only to take me down a different path, which I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely appreciate when you kind of pull those U turns

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<v Speaker 1>with the last fifteen minutes being like, Oh, get the

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<v Speaker 1>hell out of here. They're gonna pull this off. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a very interesting conversation in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 2>The other two allies that you're speaking of, were you

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<v Speaker 2>as surprised as I was. I guess you can't answer

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<v Speaker 2>that because you don't know how surprised I was. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty surprised that how they finish their story

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<v Speaker 2>those two.

417
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<v Speaker 1>Again, I thought they were going to be more involved.

418
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think, well, I don't want to say that

419
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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to give anything away, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I well, I don't I don't think you're giving

421
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<v Speaker 2>anything away. Well, I was about to say something that

422
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<v Speaker 2>I think would okay, But I was surprised to see

423
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<v Speaker 2>how when the film ended, and I think back to

424
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<v Speaker 2>all the characters, and I think about those two characters

425
00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and like, well, that's kind of a weird way to

426
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<v Speaker 2>tie off the story with those two. Yeah, you know,

427
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<v Speaker 2>yeah it is. But it's one of those things sometimes,

428
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<v Speaker 2>you know, we talk about you mentioned it at the top,

429
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<v Speaker 2>the layering of setting you up for stuff that you

430
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<v Speaker 2>should be paying attention to this because they will come

431
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<v Speaker 2>up later. Yeah, And sometimes I think you need not

432
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<v Speaker 2>saying that this applies, but I'm saying that it could

433
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<v Speaker 2>apply in this movie or other films, that you need

434
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<v Speaker 2>these red herrings where things that you you think are

435
00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:50.079
<v Speaker 2>something but maybe aren't something, and then things that you

436
00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:53.279
<v Speaker 2>think are just throw away things like oh wait, well

437
00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:56.359
<v Speaker 2>that's yeah, that's a callback. Yeah, which I think if

438
00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.160
<v Speaker 2>it's just all callbacks are all red herrings, that's not enjoyable.

439
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<v Speaker 1>You got to have, which the color Blind one never

440
00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:04.200
<v Speaker 1>came back, but I never talking about There is another

441
00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.359
<v Speaker 1>moment about about certain decorations that comes up that absolutely

442
00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:10.720
<v Speaker 1>is relevant later in the movie. So they kind of

443
00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.000
<v Speaker 1>pulled that off there. And I will say Brendan Fletcher

444
00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.759
<v Speaker 1>plays the dude of the Unlikely Allies. There's a woman, yeah,

445
00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Lori and Keith Yeah, and then Rena Jolly. Brendan Fletcher.

446
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's done other movies that are absolute trash,

447
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<v Speaker 1>but he is in the movie Rampage, which is basically

448
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<v Speaker 1>like a hyper realistic shooter movie, which is a bit much.

449
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<v Speaker 2>That's the Rock Are you talking about the one with

450
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<v Speaker 2>the rock?

451
00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:39.559
<v Speaker 1>No page No, No, that's like based on the video game.

452
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

453
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<v Speaker 1>This is like a movie that was probably has a

454
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<v Speaker 1>budget of like forty seven dollars, oh okay, and like

455
00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:49.519
<v Speaker 1>he's basically just a disgruntled early twenty something that buys

456
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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of guns, puts on body armor, and does

457
00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:53.799
<v Speaker 1>some pretty horrific things, but like if you're in the

458
00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.759
<v Speaker 1>mood for that. But then he's also in Freddie Versus Jason,

459
00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:00.599
<v Speaker 1>and he has kind of carved a niche out himself

460
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and being in these movies that you've never heard of

461
00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:05.559
<v Speaker 1>that always end up surprising you with like how much

462
00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:08.039
<v Speaker 1>fun you have watching them. And anytime I see that

463
00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.279
<v Speaker 1>guy in a movie, I'm like, you know what, I'm

464
00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.839
<v Speaker 1>at least gonna try it, because he never lets me down,

465
00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and he strikes me as the type that will never

466
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<v Speaker 1>be a lead and never like make it in mainstream Hollywood.

467
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<v Speaker 1>But he takes the craft of acting very seriously and

468
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<v Speaker 1>I love that about him, And anytime I see him

469
00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:25.960
<v Speaker 1>in anything, I'm like, cool, let's see, let's see where

470
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<v Speaker 1>this is going from here. So as soon as I

471
00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:29.279
<v Speaker 1>saw him, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be a

472
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<v Speaker 1>good movie, isn't it.

473
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<v Speaker 2>You know? I okay, so obviously I never saw Rampage. Yeah, okay, Well,

474
00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:37.680
<v Speaker 2>at least not that rampage. Yeah. By the way, there's

475
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<v Speaker 2>three of them. By the way, I've seen all three.

476
00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Rampage one, Rampage two. Yeah. So I have to mention

477
00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:46.960
<v Speaker 2>this too off topic. From one of the other companies

478
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<v Speaker 2>I work with, he had this tournament called the Early

479
00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Rampage Tournament, and I was calling it the Early Rampage

480
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<v Speaker 2>Tournament rampage over and over and over and over on purpose, Yeah,

481
00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:58.559
<v Speaker 2>because I thought that's what it was. Oh no, okay, wait,

482
00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:02.200
<v Speaker 2>so you weren't being funny. No, that's that's even funnier. Okay.

483
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:04.920
<v Speaker 2>So guy, a guy who's watching this on YouTube hits

484
00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.960
<v Speaker 2>me up on x and he says, Bulky, it's rampage.

485
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.839
<v Speaker 2>It's not rampage. I'm like, this guy's full of it.

486
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 2>And I looked it up on Merriam Webster and it

487
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't even have a second like what's a rampage? Like

488
00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.039
<v Speaker 2>in your mind? What did you think you were saying rampage?

489
00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Like like, you know, I thought rampage was the verb

490
00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:28.400
<v Speaker 2>and rampage was the noun. And yeah, see you're laughing

491
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.599
<v Speaker 2>like like and and to me, this was like, dude,

492
00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:33.839
<v Speaker 2>forty six years on this planet. Yeah, I always thought

493
00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:35.680
<v Speaker 2>it was that way, so he called me out. So

494
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:39.240
<v Speaker 2>now anytime I see that word, it's like, uh, like

495
00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:41.319
<v Speaker 2>one of those it all comes back to Marvel, one

496
00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:43.839
<v Speaker 2>of those scissors that ebony Ma was putting into those

497
00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:45.680
<v Speaker 2>points I was putting in a doctor.

498
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<v Speaker 1>Sat never see that word through any other light again, Yeah,

499
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 1>it might have changed my my reaction to the word

500
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:52.799
<v Speaker 1>now going forward and all.

501
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<v Speaker 2>That, I don't know anybody who is on my side. Yeah,

502
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:58.559
<v Speaker 2>but I've been saying we've had this early rampage tournament

503
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:02.279
<v Speaker 2>for two years. One guy has called me out on it. Yeah, like,

504
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and this includes people I work with that.

505
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>See, but you need that. I was an intensive purpose

506
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>guy when I was nineteen years old and someone humiliated

507
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:13.559
<v Speaker 1>me in public fashion about he's like intensive purpose. Ben

508
00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.559
<v Speaker 1>described to me what an intensive purpose is.

509
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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that caught me up. Uh yeah, well yeah.

510
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.319
<v Speaker 1>And so but after that, now anytime I hear it,

511
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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, Drew was a bit of a jag,

512
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>but I'm glad he did that to me because now

513
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not thirty eight still saying it because people are

514
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<v Speaker 1>too polite.

515
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:30.559
<v Speaker 2>The other or one of the other ones. A family

516
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:36.279
<v Speaker 2>guy does this with there's a like a monologue that

517
00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Stewart not a monologue, but there's a piece of dialogue

518
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>where Stewiet like goes off and names like seven or

519
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 2>eight of those phrases. Yeah, and he mentions all of

520
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:50.640
<v Speaker 2>the sudden, which I haven't heard before, all of the sudden, Yeah,

521
00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:52.599
<v Speaker 2>all of us sudden. I was here, but apparently some

522
00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.000
<v Speaker 2>people say all of the sudden. And then the one

523
00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:57.079
<v Speaker 2>that really got me. And this is another one, and

524
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<v Speaker 2>I'll correct people to this day. A whole another whatever. Yeah, oh,

525
00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:05.720
<v Speaker 2>a whole another No, a whole nother yeah, ano, there's

526
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:06.160
<v Speaker 2>not a word.

527
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have a whole other person, a whole other,

528
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>whole another whole thing.

529
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a Midwestern thing. Take it for granted is

530
00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.279
<v Speaker 2>another one as well. Yeah, that was like that was

531
00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Take it for granted was like pre high school for

532
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:22.799
<v Speaker 2>me not to sound like douchey or whatever, but that

533
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>one has not. I have an officer over here. Well

534
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:31.440
<v Speaker 2>listen correct me. Okay, I mean Jesus forty six years

535
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 2>and I finally had somebody called me am I that

536
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>big of a douche that people like to see me

537
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.920
<v Speaker 2>mispronounced stuff like that. Yeah, maybe like, oh, he's in media.

538
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should just let it happen or something they

539
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>said that. I don't know, but anyway, I don't know

540
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:50.839
<v Speaker 2>how we got on this. Yeah, it's what I want.

541
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>I enjoy his performance in anything. You know what he

542
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>looks like? And have you noticed this in commercials? I

543
00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:05.039
<v Speaker 2>see in commercials like for laundry, detergent, beer, food, whatever,

544
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.160
<v Speaker 2>some of these casting agencies or these casting directors, I

545
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>think are picking actors who look like big name actors.

546
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Have you noticed it? And and uh, and obviously that's

547
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 2>cool because it's like, hey, Brad Pitt's advertising for this,

548
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 2>but really it's it's just Michael Sherlock. But he looks

549
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>happening to have this resemblance to Brad Pitt. This guy

550
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't place it, but he looks like a

551
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:36.759
<v Speaker 2>bigger named actor. He looks like maybe it's a conglomerate

552
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.279
<v Speaker 2>of like actors who look like they've done bigger things before.

553
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:42.799
<v Speaker 2>So I'm watching this and and I'm like, God, that

554
00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>guy has to have been into something I've seen before.

555
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:47.480
<v Speaker 2>And I went and I looked at him, like nothing's

556
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.119
<v Speaker 2>really standing out, and so I'm thinking, like, he just

557
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.359
<v Speaker 2>looks like a guy who is like a bigger, like

558
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.799
<v Speaker 2>a more of an A list actor or whatever. Yeah,

559
00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:00.319
<v Speaker 2>so we both have different interpretations what kind of work

560
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>this guy does, but I think yours is probably closer

561
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:03.519
<v Speaker 2>to in reality.

562
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>And I do maintain he's definitely not a lists like,

563
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.319
<v Speaker 1>he's not at all. It's just but you can tell

564
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:10.519
<v Speaker 1>he tries, and I'm all four people, I'd rather watch

565
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>him try and not be as good as like an

566
00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Hopkins who's clearly mailing it in, you know what

567
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:17.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like i'd take that in the day of

568
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>the week. And you've got to have these hungry actors.

569
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>We exactly And while we're talking about mailing it in.

570
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.960
<v Speaker 1>And it pains me to say this, but I'm gonna

571
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna preface it. I love Henry Winkler in Barry.

572
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I think he deserved all the accolades that he got.

573
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever win an Emmy for that? He did?

574
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 1>It was his first Emmy ever. It was a big deal. Wow,

575
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Like he was he was very emotional. I've heard he's

576
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.839
<v Speaker 1>a very nice guy in real life. Like I really

577
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 1>do like Henry Winkler in anything I see him, and

578
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 1>he really does just play the same character.

579
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.160
<v Speaker 2>The bronze fawn statue. I have not got to do

580
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 2>that good to know it's I don't, don't ask me worry.

581
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:51.599
<v Speaker 2>I think it's in the Old third Ward district. But

582
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:56.319
<v Speaker 2>it's literally a statue of Arthur Fonzarelli from Happiness of Course,

583
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.839
<v Speaker 2>and it's bronzed and he's just doing the thumbs up.

584
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>What else would he be doing, I'll do jumping a

585
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>shark maybe good one. Yeah, I'm a bridge.

586
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

587
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe they screwed up, so yeah, he But I'm

588
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say it, like it just felt like he

589
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.680
<v Speaker 1>was playing himself as a mayor, like as a corrupt mayor.

590
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Essentially, was he corrupt? Yeah, yeah, he was corrupt. Yeah.

591
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't I don't know if I

592
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>especially coming from you, I'm surprised that.

593
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, Okay, let me say this because this is actually

594
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 1>and I meant to do a monologue about this on

595
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:32.640
<v Speaker 1>my show today and I forgot, which means I'll just

596
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.759
<v Speaker 1>do it tomorrow. But but like, there are towns, without

597
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:40.079
<v Speaker 1>giving too much away here, there are towns in western PA,

598
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 1>like New Kensington is one that I'm sure you have

599
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 1>never heard of.

600
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:47.279
<v Speaker 2>No Old Kensington though in the fifties.

601
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>In the fifties and sixties, it was a town that

602
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 1>paralleled Pittsburgh like they were growing handed and what was

603
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>propping New Kensington up was mob money. And then eventually

604
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the mob got busted and New Kensington is now a

605
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>place that you don't want to go and there's not

606
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of opportunity for growth there and things like

607
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that are going on in New Kensington. Crime ridden, Yeah,

608
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>it's crime ridden. It's just there's no more money that's

609
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.319
<v Speaker 1>being invested in it as opposed to a town that

610
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 1>gets sixteen point eight million to pump into a new

611
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:20.119
<v Speaker 1>town hall. And it really shows me, like I think

612
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>there's very large kernels of truth, not necessarily to this

613
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>specific story in the way that it's crash, Yeah, but

614
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the same principles of a lot of these towns, a

615
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:31.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of the ones that end up dying, because that's

616
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>one of the major themes is small towns trying to

617
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>find relevance and staying afloat in a country where it's

618
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.480
<v Speaker 1>becoming more and more difficult to do that. Once the

619
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>one major industry closes down, a lot of the towns

620
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.599
<v Speaker 1>that size that do find themselves propped up often are

621
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>doing so through questionable means, and as those means, if

622
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>you hold up a newspaper that says mob busted at

623
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<v Speaker 1>New Kensington, clean Streets going forward, that's a victory in

624
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the eyes of a lot of people. And then since

625
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<v Speaker 1>then it's been a downward trajectory ever since, and they

626
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of play with that theme quite a bit. So

627
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<v Speaker 1>I say on that to say, maybe corrupt not the

628
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<v Speaker 1>not the correct word, but it's corrupt on paper at

629
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<v Speaker 1>the very least. If you show a newspaper what was that,

630
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 1>you'd be like, Oh, that guy's gotta go.

631
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<v Speaker 2>But if you saw the aftermath from the decision, be like, wow,

632
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<v Speaker 2>well there, I mean, there's criminal activity that's inarguable. Yeah, okay,

633
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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time we have to consider and

634
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<v Speaker 2>and maybe I thought this would be a bigger issue

635
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:31.160
<v Speaker 2>with you the morals that go behind the decision, and

636
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, it goes back to not And for anybody listening,

637
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying this is what happens in the movie.

638
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 2>This is just the first analogy that pops up. Where

639
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<v Speaker 2>you're in your college ethics class or high school ethics

640
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.359
<v Speaker 2>class or whatever it is, it is it wrong to

641
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<v Speaker 2>steal a loaf of bread? To feed your starving family, right,

642
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.039
<v Speaker 2>And so I think that's that's sort of like the

643
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:57.799
<v Speaker 2>question people would ask in a similar situation, that it's

644
00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>not all. Now, I have this guy I work with

645
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<v Speaker 2>commit his real name is Bryce. We call him binary

646
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Bryce because it's either this or it's that. There's no

647
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>spectrum that exists. Oh, I thought he was confused about

648
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 2>his no no, no, no no. It is either the

649
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:13.359
<v Speaker 2>best thing in the world or the worst thing in

650
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 2>the world, and there is nothing in between. Sure, there's

651
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.759
<v Speaker 2>nothing in me. And so I think with when you

652
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>bring ethics into this, there there's like you don't know,

653
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>and quite frankly me a person who is a weak

654
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:28.240
<v Speaker 2>man who I've I don't know if I've said this

655
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.279
<v Speaker 2>on this podcast, I say it on my fantasy football

656
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff all the time. I'm a weak man. I change

657
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.960
<v Speaker 2>my mind on stuff like this all the time, from

658
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>day to day, you know. And I don't Again, the

659
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>decisions that certain characters had to make in this movie,

660
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we're not easy ones, you know. And and

661
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>so now, when when it came to be the execution

662
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 2>of the result of those decisions, I'm with you, it

663
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.759
<v Speaker 2>got pretty heavy handed, and it got not heavy handed,

664
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>but it got it got pretty I don't know. Maybe

665
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that's why you didn't have as big of an issue

666
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 2>with it, because a lot of the people in this

667
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>film turned out to be not great people. Yeah, and

668
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>then it got very cartoonish at the end, which we'll

669
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>talk about. But my whole thing was, I guess maybe

670
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.839
<v Speaker 2>perhaps I was lingering on that idea a little bit

671
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>more than you did, and maybe more so than the

672
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.000
<v Speaker 2>filmmakers wanted you to.

673
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 1>And also more so just like the whole reason why

674
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Bob Odenkirk has to come like eventually lines are crossed

675
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.079
<v Speaker 1>even off camera that it's like, Okay, maybe you had

676
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the right intentions, maybe you had these ultimate goals, but

677
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.519
<v Speaker 1>you obviously allowed it to go to a point because

678
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.279
<v Speaker 1>in a town of eighteen hundred people, you're never going

679
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:41.640
<v Speaker 1>to get eighteen hundred people on board.

680
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 2>That you can get pretty close.

681
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 1>You got pretty close, but you're never gonna get all

682
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundred people.

683
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>That's the other thing, too, is like with some of

684
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the people who are good, some of the people who

685
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>are bad. I think somebody said one of the characters said, oh,

686
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.359
<v Speaker 2>we still have some stragglers or something like that. MM hmm.

687
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>When it came to people getting on board or whatever,

688
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh, I under who have we met

689
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>some of these stragglers already? Okay, where was I going

690
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>to go with this next point? Oden Kirk's character, I think, ulysses,

691
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>this is a story about him. This is not a

692
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 2>story about the town. This is this is a part

693
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.680
<v Speaker 2>of his life, and it's a part of what made

694
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<v Speaker 2>him who he was. I am surprised, given what had happened,

695
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 2>at least to the level I understand it in his

696
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:32.799
<v Speaker 2>career as a sheriff. I was surprised, mildly surprised that

697
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.480
<v Speaker 2>this was the thing that sort of turned him into

698
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>John McClain, normal's John McClain. I thought that was that

699
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 2>was weird to me, that like, oh, okay, so this

700
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.119
<v Speaker 2>is what's what's going to get him activated. I don't know.

701
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a little bizarre that he was

702
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 2>fight or flight. I feel like, yeah, but he had

703
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.039
<v Speaker 2>his character had always chosen basically almost always chosen I

704
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Speaker 2>guess flight. Oh yeah, he was not a fighter, And

705
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>to me this was kind of a weird thing.

706
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:03.720
<v Speaker 1>To but I mean, really think about it, Like the

707
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the inciting incident was him walking into the You know,

708
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 1>is that in the trailer, the part that yeah, okay,

709
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>when he's walking into the bank robbery to try and

710
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 1>negotiate a pretty tense deal where they're nervous about hostages.

711
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Think about what's happening while he walks into that building,

712
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Like when that is what's happening. I feel like at

713
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 1>that point, most people, like, don't get me wrong, my

714
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>flight instinct kicks in. If I'm in like a saw trap,

715
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know, what just killed me. I'm not

716
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 1>digging my eye out with a scalpel. But in this situation,

717
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, it's either that or me. Let's see

718
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 1>what happens here and we'll go from there. Like I

719
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 1>think any normal person, I think he needed that kind

720
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:41.639
<v Speaker 1>of money.

721
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Think about the odds. Oh yeah, I mean, and like

722
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess flight was not really an option here. Yeah,

723
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>it would have been, well, it was, actually it was.

724
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>It was offered to him by Henry Winkler pretty early

725
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:55.800
<v Speaker 2>on in the plot. But he didn't know, but he

726
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't know the level of what was going on with

727
00:34:58.280 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 2>normal at that point.

728
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.039
<v Speaker 1>No, but he said to him, He's like, I can't

729
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 1>get out of here live He's like, well, you could

730
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 1>if you just do this, and he was like, oh, well,

731
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do that. That's true, And so

732
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.800
<v Speaker 1>assuming you trust that that would be the case, and

733
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 1>I think it would be because I think Dead Cops

734
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 1>is a pretty hard thing to and they would have

735
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 1>explained it away, but it's a hard thing to explain away.

736
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.599
<v Speaker 2>You'd rather not have to deal with that there. Speaking

737
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.840
<v Speaker 2>of explaining it away, what did you make of the

738
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.920
<v Speaker 2>plan that was concocted towards the end of this film. Yeah,

739
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 2>we've been using the term cartoonish quite a bit. I'll

740
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 2>be real.

741
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I like, I want to say what it reminds me of,

742
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.599
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like that would give away what.

743
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Happened is cartoonish. Then don't say it is cartoonish, not apt.

744
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>It absolutely is. But in the right hands, I think

745
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 1>it could have been done well. Like was the ending

746
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to Django unchained cartoonish? I don't think so. Like, I

747
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>don't look at that as a cartoonish ending, and I'd

748
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>argue it's just.

749
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Like that was that was that was to me? That was.

750
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>That was a little bit different though, because you're talking

751
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 2>about literally a slave who had obviously literally a slave,

752
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 2>but a slave who had literally nothing right. And this

753
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 2>was all about redemption, revenge. That's what the whole thing

754
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>was about. And so you see this and Django Unchained

755
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:21.519
<v Speaker 2>is an epic epic film, right, and this is kind of.

756
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>But I'd argue that even makes the ending to that

757
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>movie stand out even more than it does.

758
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Again, well it should this. Oh hold on, hold on,

759
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying the ending to Django Unchained had to be

760
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 2>super epic, Okay, like like you can't have a soft

761
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:37.920
<v Speaker 2>ending to that.

762
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this film right here, Yeah, I don't want to

763
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 1>define it as a slow burn, but it definitely it's

764
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.320
<v Speaker 1>not like it's a ton of action, but like it

765
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 1>has its moments.

766
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 2>But for this, yeah, yeah I thought it was. There

767
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>was a ton dude. The last Yeah, the last half. No,

768
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I would even say more than that. Yeah, I would

769
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>say at least fifty minutes. Yeah. Again, I don't again

770
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I want to sound like I'm saying it was boring

771
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 2>at all. It apps wasn't. But the first thirty minutes

772
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>was like there was a lot of expositions. Yeah, right,

773
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and maybe necessary, maybe not, but it didn't stick. And

774
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I and I think that's because we we've talked about

775
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 2>this before. What was the movie It's Caught Stealing, Yeah,

776
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Caught Stealing. Yeah. And we brought

777
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.159
<v Speaker 2>this up with a couple of films where it seems

778
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>like it's got all the makings right and and then

779
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 2>you like, your appetizer's good, the salad's good, the drinks

780
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>are great, and you get to the main course and

781
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>there's just god, this should have been so much better

782
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.679
<v Speaker 2>if you put all the effort into the into the

783
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 2>preamble of this film and of this, of this fictional

784
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 2>meal I'm talking about. You got to be able to

785
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 2>get the entree right. And to me or the dessert,

786
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I guess as it were, to me like this felt

787
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>like a little rushed right. It felt like there there

788
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 2>should have been a little bit more. Now. I don't

789
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.079
<v Speaker 2>know what you know, shooting was like and maybe you know,

790
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 2>they only had so much time and the budget they

791
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 2>ran out of, but I don't know, but it just

792
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:08.239
<v Speaker 2>seemed like this was a little hand to gottish to like, Okay,

793
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 2>here's what we're gonna do. And and I'm like, you know,

794
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of like looking around, like really this is the

795
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 2>solution here.

796
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more and what sticks

797
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:19.679
<v Speaker 1>out most.

798
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 3>And in my opinion, I'm like, I don't know if

799
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 3>I want to say dumbest, but like I really do,

800
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:27.840
<v Speaker 3>like I don't understand why it was in the movie

801
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 3>what part when they place a bet on whether or

802
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.360
<v Speaker 3>not the plan will work, he's.

803
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Like you a betting man, He's like I am. He's like, well,

804
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll bet the lay one hundred bucks, meaning I think

805
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the plan will fail. And at the end of the

806
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>movies like, I owe you a hundred bucks, and there's

807
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>no why was any of that.

808
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Movie that was just cheeky and fun. I don't think

809
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't read too much into it, but like to

810
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 2>bring it back to Marvel, when Samuel L.

811
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Jackson says to Steve Rogers in the First Avengers, I'll

812
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.159
<v Speaker 1>bet you ten bucks I can show you something you

813
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen, and then like forty minutes later, the ship

814
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.760
<v Speaker 1>turns into an aircraft and he just like discreetly hands

815
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.760
<v Speaker 1>him a ten dollars bill and they really don't mention

816
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.679
<v Speaker 1>anything else about it. That's how you pull that off.

817
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Like this was such a heavy handed like I will

818
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 1>bet you money that this will happen. Oh well, I

819
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 1>will accept that bet that this happens, and then the

820
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.559
<v Speaker 1>plan goes away. It goes He's like, oh, you owe

821
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.280
<v Speaker 1>me money for this plan. I mean it's same thing. No,

822
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 1>it's the dumbest. It was so stupid.

823
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

824
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that was dumb. I don't know why

825
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>this is in the movie. I thought that was funny.

826
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the difference it stuck out to me

827
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 1>between the example that you gave him what happens in

828
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>this movie. I don't think the difference is that this

829
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 1>deep yawning chasm that you're thinking.

830
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.840
<v Speaker 2>It is exactly as yawning as it is.

831
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:41.679
<v Speaker 1>It's about to send me on a rampage. I can't

832
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.039
<v Speaker 1>I I like, I can't wait till someone else sees

833
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the movie. Somebody please back me up on this because

834
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:47.800
<v Speaker 1>it just sticks out. It's just like to bring it

835
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>back to cot stealing. It reminds me of somebody thinking

836
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 1>they're being clever. It reminds me of a stupid person's

837
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.519
<v Speaker 1>idea of being clever. Okay, but I'm like this, I

838
00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know why this is in the movie. Like, there

839
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.559
<v Speaker 1>was no man betting beforehand. It's not like this is

840
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>playing off as something that happened earlier in the movie,

841
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.199
<v Speaker 1>because the whole bet. If they would have placed the

842
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>bet thirty minutes into the movie and then paid it

843
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 1>off ninety minutes in, I'd be like, Okay, that's a

844
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.079
<v Speaker 1>fun thing. They placed the bet ten minutes before the

845
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:15.400
<v Speaker 1>bet was paid off, and I was like, what was

846
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:16.199
<v Speaker 1>the point of any of this?

847
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a stupid well I mean okay, So

848
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.400
<v Speaker 2>for you, it's the time, the running time that between

849
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:25.159
<v Speaker 2>said bet, right.

850
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Just like it, because like the bets placed in Avengers,

851
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 1>when he's punching the bag, yeah, that's the first thing

852
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you see him in, and then you meet all the

853
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 1>other Avengers. There's enough time for you to forget that

854
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a bet even happened. And then it turns into a

855
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>plane and he doesn't even say anything. He walks up

856
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>sides a ten dollars bet, Fury looks at it like,

857
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 1>nods his head, and then they keep talking.

858
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>They don't even mention it. That's how that's that's rewarding

859
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 2>really active viewers. Right, So here's here's what your problem is.

860
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 2>You are a filetman, young connoisseur, and you're looking down

861
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>on the people that can enjoy a good cheeseburger bun.

862
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.079
<v Speaker 2>That's what it is. That's not even a cheeseburger. That's

863
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 2>like you freaking scraped some I don't even know how

864
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.000
<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's not it's not. You may I understand

865
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:11.320
<v Speaker 2>why you don't like it. To me, it wasn't that

866
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>big of a deal. But we didn't make me hate it.

867
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>It made me stink of like why did any of

868
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that happen? Yeah, that was that was completely It's not

869
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 2>like you dragged on. It's like thirty seconds total of

870
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.280
<v Speaker 2>screen time. Like even the pie scene, it's like, oh,

871
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I got to try those pies.

872
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.119
<v Speaker 1>That ah, that was better. Yeah, because then he's like,

873
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna eat that pie now. Like they don't really

874
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>draw attention to it. They just show me in the pies.

875
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Like you're you're wow. I don't want to ruin it now. Yeah,

876
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 2>but that was one thing when when that was sort

877
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 2>of the seed was planted in my mind. I feel

878
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>like like, ever since we started doing this show, I

879
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>need to have like a notepad yeah and say that

880
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>for weeks and write down things that I think are

881
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.039
<v Speaker 2>going to be meaningful later on and see how many

882
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>of them actually and and you know, kind of at

883
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>a certain point, Ben, I don't want to keep track

884
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 2>because I like forgetting them and then remember that in

885
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.199
<v Speaker 2>the moment, oh suther Than like, well they haven't brought

886
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.800
<v Speaker 2>up this color blind thing yet. You know. It's so

887
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't want to. We kind of

888
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>knew we were getting going into this, did Yeah. I

889
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 2>mean the level of quality I should say, okay, yeah,

890
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the level of quality storyline, I didn't know what we

891
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 2>were getting, yeah, but the level of quality I had

892
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.559
<v Speaker 2>certain expectations. Yeah, So to see some of this stuff.

893
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's why it doesn't bother me as much, because

894
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, whatever, and it's do we know who

895
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.559
<v Speaker 2>the director was? Did you have that up? No? Hold

896
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>on one second, Yeah, And I did not. Normally I

897
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>pay attention to this kind of stuff, and for whatever

898
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 2>reason I didn't on this film. I don't know if

899
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>this guy Ben Wheatley Wheatly, what is it? What else

900
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:45.920
<v Speaker 2>is he done?

901
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Let's see here and wh there we go? English? She's

902
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>an English filmmaker. Maybe that's why it felt weird. High

903
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Rise with Tom Hiddleston. The Meg two, which I've never

904
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 1>actually gotten the whole way through. Meg one was good though,

905
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 1>movie called hill List that looks like I should probably

906
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>see it just based on the cover, and then a

907
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.159
<v Speaker 1>bunch of crap we've definitely never heard of Sightseers a

908
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.400
<v Speaker 1>field in England, something called free Fire in twenty sixteen.

909
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:14.719
<v Speaker 2>How old is he? But but bu fifty three?

910
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, he looks like he has about a dozen

911
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>or so titles to his name and really nothing outside

912
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 1>of Meg going Blockbusters something called Rebecca.

913
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Hold on, did he do Meg and Meg too? Nope?

914
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Just Meg two, which I found to be uh sucky

915
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 1>compared to the first.

916
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean that's I'm trying to think. Is

917
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that the resort one? Yeah? Yeah, it's cool. End Yeah,

918
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 2>I just like it. When you take it to the

919
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.400
<v Speaker 2>next level, that's great stuff. Did you see?

920
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I've gotten to the ending. If

921
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest, I think I just get distracted.

922
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, all right, I'm checked out at this at

923
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>this point because like one of my biggest fears in life,

924
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.440
<v Speaker 1>like in the first Meg, when the when the freakin'

925
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>what do you call that? The giant squid just like

926
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 1>drapes a tentacle over like that is like, if you

927
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>like tried to pluck some of my greatest fears, like

928
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.599
<v Speaker 1>love crafty and horror is the horror that cuts to

929
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 1>my soul, and like when that happens, I'm like, like

930
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.639
<v Speaker 1>the idea of riding in a tiny submarine and a

931
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>part of the ocean that no one's ever been to

932
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 1>is absolutely the worst conceivable place.

933
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Especially what was the thing where the people just died.

934
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah that was a while ago, but well then

935
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 2>yeah not just.

936
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.719
<v Speaker 1>But like yeah, years bionaires to the submarine and it

937
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 1>just impressed. It'll never convince me that wasn't sabotage. But anyway,

938
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:28.840
<v Speaker 1>what the hell is sabotage? Like like some the dude

939
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 1>was a multi billionaire and they have like some ready

940
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 1>or not two style hyjiinks going on behind the scenes,

941
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you know what i mean. Like I'm sure they're like,

942
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.239
<v Speaker 1>oh I heard he's going in a submarine. This is

943
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 1>our perfect time to make it look like an accident,

944
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, like.

945
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 2>To take over the fortune or whatever whenever, Yeah, out

946
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:45.800
<v Speaker 2>of the way.

947
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's competition over the other. Like it's just a

948
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.280
<v Speaker 1>suspicious way to die, That's all I'm saying. This is

949
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>why you just shouldn't be going to the bottom of

950
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the ocean anyway.

951
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.239
<v Speaker 2>You call it a suspicious way to die? Yeah, I

952
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:03.000
<v Speaker 2>call it six people going in a very tiny submersible

953
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:07.559
<v Speaker 2>that already had issues with it. Apparently we phoned out later, right,

954
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure going to the bottom of the ocean, you

955
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 2>call it suspicious way to die? I say death wish.

956
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you are you're kind of asking for you know, I.

957
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Got Isn't that James Cameron has like a bit of

958
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a heart on for her, you know, wanting to die

959
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of the ocean apparently because.

960
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he did the abyss he did.

961
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 1>He searched the remains of the Titan himself. Then he

962
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.639
<v Speaker 1>turned that into a film too, I believe.

963
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.719
<v Speaker 2>And I never saw the second event or not Avengers Avatar.

964
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Which we successfully avoided the third one as well for

965
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 1>the purpose And by the way.

966
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Like do you hear all these people to clamoring like

967
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.079
<v Speaker 2>right now, like, oh my god Avatar III? Yeah, no,

968
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.159
<v Speaker 2>no one's saying that. No. Have you have you seen it? Yeah?

969
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean I told you my experience of the first one. Yeah,

970
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 2>I just was falling asleep. I didn't care for it.

971
00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I never really wanted to watch the second one.

972
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but in any event, so I already forgot

973
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the guy's name, Ben Wheatley. I would argue this was

974
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.639
<v Speaker 1>his best movie. Have you never seen you know, eighty

975
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:11.719
<v Speaker 1>percent of his filmography. I would argue he was.

976
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:15.639
<v Speaker 2>He ever nominated for any like British Directing Awards or anything,

977
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>for anything? Not because I mean some of these could

978
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>be like, you know, critically acclaimed it across the pond,

979
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and then you know they just never.

980
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>So, to be fair to your point, under notable work,

981
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 1>kill List, sightseers, a field in England, high Rise free

982
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Fire in the Meg are listed for notable work. So

983
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>so he did do the Meg two? Oh sorry, the

984
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Meg two? Want to be clear?

985
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

986
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kill list intrigues me, Like that's the only one

987
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that I'm interested in doing. Any I liked it a lot.

988
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know too much about it except that it

989
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 1>that this sub kept recommending mixes Folkhore and marriage drama.

990
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm out you like the roses? I did? Yeah,

991
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I did, but that was more for comedic purposes, That's sure.

992
00:46:58.840 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 2>That's a good point.

993
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Although I like together If you didn't see that with

994
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Dave Franco and Alison Brie.

995
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have seen clips. Yeah, I know what happens. Yeah,

996
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 2>I knew that this was not going to be a

997
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.559
<v Speaker 2>pleasant watch. Yeah, so I decided that I would just

998
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>find out what happened in it. Well you do that

999
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 2>for every movie, not every movie the movie there, I've

1000
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:20.519
<v Speaker 2>never done it with a Marvel movie. Okay, Well, yeah

1001
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 2>that's right. I mean, if I know I'm going to

1002
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.320
<v Speaker 2>see it, ain't no way. I mean like I'm avoiding

1003
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 2>the internet period, you know. But no, so that together movie.

1004
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.480
<v Speaker 2>So they're they're married in real life? Oh really, Yeah,

1005
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Alison Brie and Dave Franco are real life husband and wife.

1006
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.800
<v Speaker 2>They got sued. I think I told you this. They

1007
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:44.159
<v Speaker 2>got sued, oh for stealing the blog, for stealing the plot. Yeah, bastards. Yeah,

1008
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the result of that lossuit was.

1009
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they paid that guy off. And then I

1010
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:54.960
<v Speaker 2>think a Dave Franco in twenty one Jump Street, right, sure,

1011
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and super Bad. Not that he was in super Bad

1012
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 2>a ton but I and the Magic movies. Then now

1013
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:05.960
<v Speaker 2>you see me. You know, I don't want to see

1014
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>him in a horror movie, much less with Alison Brie.

1015
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.360
<v Speaker 2>One of the darlings of community. Yeah, and who is

1016
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 2>the Macy's holiday spokesperson, But like, I don't want to

1017
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>see that ye where they're like, weird stuff is happening.

1018
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you loved it. It is not my cup

1019
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.840
<v Speaker 2>of tea. Now, if you would have suggested it, yeah,

1020
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:26.960
<v Speaker 2>we would have watched it. But but that.

1021
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Was Yeah, I think I watched it during the tenure

1022
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>of this show, and I was just like, I'm not

1023
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.159
<v Speaker 1>going to bring this one because you make some concessions

1024
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>for me.

1025
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.440
<v Speaker 2>There was another there was another film that actually came

1026
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>out right around that same time, and I think you

1027
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 2>saw it too, The Substance. No, it wasn't the Substance,

1028
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 2>but it was another film that had something to do.

1029
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 2>It was like a horror. I wouldn't say romance. It

1030
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.840
<v Speaker 2>was something of the same ilk where it was like

1031
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.400
<v Speaker 2>these two partners that were having issues and bad stuff

1032
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 2>started happening to them, but not what it was happening. Yeah, sure,

1033
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 2>and together, but there was something and I can't remember

1034
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 2>what it was besides the point.

1035
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, in any event, so I think we kind

1036
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 1>of took a shot on this director and again, like again,

1037
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it to sound like the ending was sloppy.

1038
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.239
<v Speaker 1>There's moments this is your run of the mill average.

1039
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.599
<v Speaker 1>I compared it to the style of Four Brothers and

1040
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.480
<v Speaker 1>that it's a random action movie you expect nothing from

1041
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 1>and when those pleasantly surprise you, in my opinion, it

1042
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>hits harder. You mentioned it as well during the tease,

1043
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 1>you're like, with no expectations. That's oftentimes when you're just like, oh,

1044
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 1>I actually enjoyed that. And I think that really plays

1045
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 1>into the hands, like we almost might be doing it

1046
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a disservice, but being like, actually, there there's a lot

1047
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to like in this movie, because you know, we went

1048
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>into like this could absolutely suck the.

1049
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:50.440
<v Speaker 2>And I'm wondering, I'm thinking out loud here, and we've

1050
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 2>talked about sloppy endings in the past, Ben, is this

1051
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.480
<v Speaker 2>an US problem where where we watch something, we view

1052
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:02.079
<v Speaker 2>something and we're expecting certain things or or hoping for

1053
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:06.400
<v Speaker 2>certain things, and when something falls not necessarily flat, but

1054
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 2>falls differently than what we had hoped for. Is that

1055
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the fault of the filmmaker is that the fault of us.

1056
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I think ending things is very difficult. It's what makes

1057
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff like Breaking Bad so awesome. Is that you're like, Wow,

1058
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that a perfect ending could exist, and

1059
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 1>here we are, and like so, so I just think

1060
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.599
<v Speaker 1>this is a matter of you've written yourself into this situation.

1061
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 2>How can you get out of it?

1062
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 1>And then I think this falls more into the vein

1063
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 1>of Game of Thrones because you don't. I think the

1064
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 1>worst thing you can be in filmmaking is predictable, and

1065
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>with so much media out there today, it's just like, Okay,

1066
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 1>we've seen bank heist movies, We've seen you know, violence movies,

1067
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and so many different ways. How can we take this

1068
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>in a direction that you definitely haven't seen done before

1069
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 1>in a movie, And.

1070
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>That was what they tried to do here. That's a

1071
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.599
<v Speaker 2>good point, and you take a risk.

1072
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Doing that though, because like sometimes you take there's a

1073
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.280
<v Speaker 1>reason why things are cliche because they work. But like

1074
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.400
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, when you're critical of something, I

1075
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.719
<v Speaker 1>don't want the cliches. I say, take your shot, and

1076
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 1>I will always commend. That's why I'm being so nice

1077
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.119
<v Speaker 1>to this movie. I will commend taking a shot and

1078
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:18.480
<v Speaker 1>missing versus playing it safe and being boring. That's what

1079
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely That's why I watched the horror movies with

1080
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars budgets, because like, you know what, maybe

1081
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll see something here that I've never seen before, Whereas

1082
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, you watch your fourth Conjuring movie, You're like,

1083
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.159
<v Speaker 1>I know what I'm getting out of this. And so

1084
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.360
<v Speaker 1>because it works people, Yeah, it makes a billion freaking

1085
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>dollars every time it comes out.

1086
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think another issue I had with the ending

1087
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:42.599
<v Speaker 2>I was channeling Kill Bill Volume one, sure how that ended, Yeah,

1088
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 2>And I thought there was going to be more of,

1089
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:46.960
<v Speaker 2>not a tribute to that, but I thought there was

1090
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna be more similarities to that where rather than just

1091
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of what it devolved to at the end. But again,

1092
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a me problem because I was hoping

1093
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.679
<v Speaker 2>that I would see something that I had enjoyed before,

1094
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.039
<v Speaker 2>and perhaps if I would have seen it in the

1095
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 2>same way, I wouldn't have been enjoyed it as much, Right,

1096
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:14.239
<v Speaker 2>And being different sometimes requires The thing I get hung

1097
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:18.320
<v Speaker 2>up on is being different shouldn't mean being sloppy, you know. Yeah,

1098
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:21.719
<v Speaker 2>And maybe I'm just expecting too much of everybody who

1099
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 2>makes a film nowadays, but I was a little bit disappointed.

1100
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean it doesn't reach the depths like

1101
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 1>the worst ending of the existence of off topic was

1102
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the ending to him like I've never Oh my god,

1103
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I was just so mad when I was walking out

1104
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:40.360
<v Speaker 1>of that theater because I expected so much out of

1105
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.039
<v Speaker 1>that movie. It looked like I was and I thought

1106
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:44.679
<v Speaker 1>there were some cool components. This doesn't reach that level.

1107
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just slapstick in a movie that Buying Large does

1108
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.440
<v Speaker 1>have its slapstick moments, for sure, But that was the

1109
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.000
<v Speaker 1>first time that it really felt full blown, just like okay,

1110
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.760
<v Speaker 1>like I'm here for it. It actually was reminiscent of

1111
00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Ready or Not in a lot of ways. It's just like, yeah,

1112
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.880
<v Speaker 1>that's true. That's a good point too. There's movies that

1113
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 1>treat death with a little more I don't want to

1114
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.239
<v Speaker 1>say respect, because you don't have to do it that way.

1115
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:08.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just like you kind of have to commit to

1116
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:10.840
<v Speaker 1>one or the other. And this one felt like it

1117
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted to have its cake and eat it too. Yeah,

1118
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:14.960
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know.

1119
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:16.199
<v Speaker 2>And then they shoehorn in.

1120
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to save this till the end because I

1121
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:19.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't want people to shut off the podcast as soon

1122
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 1>as you say this, but they definitely shoot like shoehorned in,

1123
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 1>like a gender identity message in there in that the

1124
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:28.559
<v Speaker 1>second half of the movie as well, and I'm just like,

1125
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:29.320
<v Speaker 1>what does any of.

1126
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.440
<v Speaker 2>This have to do? Hold on? What was the gender identity?

1127
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Like the daughter of the four the share is like

1128
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.559
<v Speaker 1>I self identified as non binary. They don't say it

1129
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.880
<v Speaker 1>in as many words, but like she very clearly was

1130
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of transitioning and they even at one

1131
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 1>point say, well, this is the new normal.

1132
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.000
<v Speaker 2>See, this is this is the I didn't even pick

1133
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.880
<v Speaker 2>up on that. I think that was on purpose.

1134
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting there and I'm just like, man, like,

1135
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why any of this has to be

1136
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 1>in here it all and they just kind of leaned

1137
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 1>into it.

1138
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Obviously it didn't resonate with you. I promised you, Yeah,

1139
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I promise was there. I was okay, I mean I

1140
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't surprise me.

1141
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:05.480
<v Speaker 1>And then so like then I'm sitting there and I'm like,

1142
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.039
<v Speaker 1>so what does this ending have to do with?

1143
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Like what are they trying to tell me with this ending?

1144
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:13.599
<v Speaker 2>And I just can't figure it out. My mom My

1145
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.199
<v Speaker 2>mom has said this about certain things that she watches

1146
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 2>now compared to forty years ago, even twenty years ago,

1147
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 2>where different things are shoehorned in for seemingly no. Yeah,

1148
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 2>like I'm fine like putting stuff in. Yeah, yeah, it

1149
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:34.639
<v Speaker 2>just felt like extra. Yeah, so and I don't know,

1150
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe that's something. Hey, if you want this film made,

1151
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:37.880
<v Speaker 2>you have to put this in.

1152
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Now that I think about it, I think I figured

1153
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:42.159
<v Speaker 1>out why you were confused about the part you want

1154
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to talk to me about off the air, So we'll

1155
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:44.440
<v Speaker 1>get into that.

1156
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I don't think it's what you think

1157
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:47.159
<v Speaker 2>it is.

1158
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, maybe all right, but I mean I've said about

1159
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 1>all I have to say about h Yeah, we can.

1160
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:54.679
<v Speaker 1>I've been going back and forth even while talking to you.

1161
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I was prepared to go as high as seven and

1162
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.400
<v Speaker 1>a half and prepared to drop as low as six.

1163
00:54:58.440 --> 00:54:59.519
<v Speaker 1>And I think at the end of the day, I'll

1164
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:02.119
<v Speaker 1>just split the diff and go six point five. That's

1165
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.440
<v Speaker 1>not the difference, well, because it's important to be six

1166
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 1>point seven six, six point seven.

1167
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, halfway between six and seven a half. Yeah, I

1168
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:11.360
<v Speaker 2>was gonna give it a seven. So I'm glad that

1169
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>you went a little bit lower me because I think

1170
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:14.760
<v Speaker 2>I did. Yeah. Then, because I think I enjoyed this

1171
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.079
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Yeah, I think we both like this

1172
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:22.639
<v Speaker 2>was fun. Yes, exactly, it's your favorite kind of movie. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1173
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 1>It was a pleasant surprise for something that I wouldn't

1174
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 1>expect him. By the way, like I include Precinct thirteen

1175
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.320
<v Speaker 1>on them as well, even though that's a classic. But

1176
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.679
<v Speaker 1>like I'm just like, ah, it's just it's just it's fun.

1177
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I'm engaged right until until the end.

1178
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately for this one.

1179
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it definitely. It really it really sucks you in

1180
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.880
<v Speaker 2>with the questions you start asking yourself and and then

1181
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:47.559
<v Speaker 2>obviously when the twist happens, and then the resolution and

1182
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the final part of the story. It had all the elements.

1183
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Well like let's be real, uh, Mark Wahlberg emerging in

1184
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.119
<v Speaker 1>the bright whiteness on the on the Frozen Lake at

1185
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the end of Four Brothers that he knocks out Victor

1186
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Sweet and he goes put him in the hole, Like

1187
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that's stupid, and I love it.

1188
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. That's my point is, like, you know, when

1189
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:10.199
<v Speaker 2>when Victor Sweet's like, oh, who's gonna take me on?

1190
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Who's in it? We all know it was all about

1191
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the entrance. This is like a I've been watching a

1192
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of pro wrestlings lately. It was all about the entrance.

1193
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.079
<v Speaker 2>It's all about the pomp and the circumstance of him,

1194
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.559
<v Speaker 2>but objectively cartoonish. Yeah, but we love it, That's what

1195
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

1196
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.760
<v Speaker 1>And so like it's a fine line, I guess, is

1197
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.199
<v Speaker 1>my point. And this one just went too far the

1198
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.559
<v Speaker 1>other way. And and to me, that's why I love

1199
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 1>these kind of movies. It's just just like, oh, and

1200
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll never see normal too, We'll never see three Brothers?

1201
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Did you hear? By the way of this? I read

1202
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:46.559
<v Speaker 2>this John Malkovich, and I can't remember who the director was.

1203
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 2>They shot a movie called one hundred Years. They shot

1204
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>it in Oh yeah, it's in a time capsule, who whatever,

1205
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's not gonna be released till twenty one to fifteen. Yeah,

1206
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 2>we'll never see that, right. Does that irritate you as

1207
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.119
<v Speaker 2>much as it irritates me? Yeah? No, a whole for

1208
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:01.920
<v Speaker 2>one hundred years from now, and they're gonna have no

1209
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:03.960
<v Speaker 2>respect for it or not one hundred years now, we're

1210
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 2>like ninety years away. Ah well, I don't know about that.

1211
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I do. People, you've seen how society is devolving.

1212
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's gonna care about a John Malkovich, whoever the director

1213
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.440
<v Speaker 2>it's a well known director too. By the way, I

1214
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:17.239
<v Speaker 2>guess i'd like you.

1215
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:19.519
<v Speaker 1>You'd have to struggle to get me to watch a movie,

1216
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:20.760
<v Speaker 1>just a regular movie.

1217
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 2>From nineteen twenty six. That's definitely you can't compare the

1218
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.239
<v Speaker 2>two because because filmmaking is is so different.

1219
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Now do you hear how you sound? You're telling me

1220
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.960
<v Speaker 1>in a hundred years. Marvel just fired their entire special

1221
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.920
<v Speaker 1>effects crew and they said, yeah, Doomsday is gonna have

1222
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.599
<v Speaker 1>a ton of AI special effects. Yeah, And like you're

1223
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.119
<v Speaker 1>telling me they're not gonna, did you can? I actually

1224
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm segueing now, Yeah, Marvel fired like that. This is

1225
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:48.840
<v Speaker 1>what sucks is I'm very good at ignoring major companies,

1226
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.039
<v Speaker 1>like I don't buy stuff off Amazon. Like my one

1227
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:53.559
<v Speaker 1>weakness is Disney, and I love this Marvel stuff. They

1228
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.360
<v Speaker 1>fired Disney in twenty twenty five made thirty five billion

1229
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.400
<v Speaker 1>dollars in profit. They fired one thousand people off of

1230
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.679
<v Speaker 1>their spec effects crew, including Andy Park, who has been

1231
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.599
<v Speaker 1>included in every single Marvel movie, creating essentially the visual

1232
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:10.719
<v Speaker 1>identity of the MCU from twenty ten until twenty sixteen,

1233
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.920
<v Speaker 1>over thirty movies, a dozen or so TV shows. Andy

1234
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Park's names on every single one of them, and they

1235
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.000
<v Speaker 1>fired him last week and that just sucks. That just

1236
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:20.079
<v Speaker 1>sucks because he's an important part of it, all of

1237
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 1>the process. They want to start using AI, They're going

1238
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 1>to have freelance video special effects people. They no longer

1239
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.840
<v Speaker 1>have a dedicated team, laid off a thousand people. Obviously

1240
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 1>they all matter, but this guy really created some of

1241
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 1>the best things in my opinion like that, like in

1242
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.440
<v Speaker 1>terms of movies that I enjoy seeing and the idea

1243
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:42.119
<v Speaker 1>that nowhere in the Guardians of the Galaxy might not

1244
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>look the way that it does were he not there

1245
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:46.599
<v Speaker 1>giving his insight into what it is and they just

1246
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:49.159
<v Speaker 1>cast him aside. I hope DC picked him up already

1247
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 1>because I hope he gets back in the industry.

1248
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 2>James Gunn probably has a lot of relationships I would

1249
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:56.519
<v Speaker 2>imagine from I would have to think so and so.

1250
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:58.239
<v Speaker 1>But like that kind of you kind of segue me

1251
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:00.159
<v Speaker 1>there saying that things won't change a bunch in one

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00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:00.679
<v Speaker 1>hundred years.

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00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh they will, but that's even going to prove my

1254
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:04.280
<v Speaker 2>point more like like.

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00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the people won't care. I kind of see what

1256
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.519
<v Speaker 1>you're getting from there, but I'm pissed about it.

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00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 2>There was so this. Watching this film, it got me

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00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:18.320
<v Speaker 2>like it's springboard me. I was, I was no Roofman.

1259
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about Roofman. And I was googling unsolved

1260
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 2>crime cases or whatever, just to like, you know, like

1261
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, because you secretly kind of yeah, you want

1262
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:30.679
<v Speaker 2>to secretly root for these people to get away with it.

1263
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.800
<v Speaker 2>So I'm reading all this stuff and then I read

1264
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:36.199
<v Speaker 2>something and I one thing led to another, and I

1265
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.079
<v Speaker 2>was started falling in the rabbit hole of the Thomas

1266
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Crown affair. Remember this film from this is almost thirty

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00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.320
<v Speaker 2>years old now. Pierce Brosnan renee Russo, I don't think

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00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I saw it. Pierce Brosnan's an art thief. Oh sure, yeah, okay,

1269
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and this is a remake of Steve McQueen and I

1270
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 2>want to say, fade done away from like the fifties

1271
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:58.400
<v Speaker 2>or sixties or whatever. And so I was I read

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00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I was reading the Wikipeda. Obviously I never saw the

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01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:02.960
<v Speaker 2>McQueen one. I was reading the Wikipedia on it, and

1274
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:07.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, God, this sounds cool, but I guarantee if

1275
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.159
<v Speaker 2>I watched it, I'm yeah, it's gonna suck you like,

1276
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.119
<v Speaker 2>because I'm spoiled by modern filmmaking. You know, and and

1277
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.199
<v Speaker 2>there's now there's a lot of stuff too, Like I'll

1278
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 2>go back my my dad raised me and my brother's

1279
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:21.679
<v Speaker 2>on the Marx Brothers, Like we watched all the I

1280
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:22.719
<v Speaker 2>thought they're hilarious.

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01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great, you know, and I was pleasantly surprised one

1282
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 1>of those channels, TMC or something did basically for an

1283
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:31.679
<v Speaker 1>entire month just whenever you turned it on it was

1284
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:32.639
<v Speaker 1>a Hitchcock movie.

1285
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's another that's classic. Yeah, that's great stuff.

1286
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:38.119
<v Speaker 1>And not even the stuff you've heard of, Like there

1287
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:42.119
<v Speaker 1>was a movie called Rope Rope that's it's so good

1288
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and the way they shot it, they make it look

1289
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.800
<v Speaker 1>like one continuous take. Yeah, and like it's very cool.

1290
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:49.239
<v Speaker 1>And I was just like, I can't believe this is

1291
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:50.320
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen forty seven.

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01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 2>It was very cool to work geniuses in every generation. Yeah,

1293
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:57.519
<v Speaker 2>it's always gonna be outliars, but yeah, by and large.

1294
01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Have I told you the Eric Clifton quote. No, they

1295
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:01.880
<v Speaker 1>ask him, they say what it's like, what is it like?

1296
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Because you know, he's obviously one of the greats in

1297
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.079
<v Speaker 1>terms of guitar playing. They say, how do you feel

1298
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:09.039
<v Speaker 1>looking at music today compared to what music was like?

1299
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:11.239
<v Speaker 1>When you were making it and how far it's fallen

1300
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and blah blah blah.

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01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:12.800
<v Speaker 2>He says.

1302
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, music, He's like, here's the thing. Music today. Ninety

1303
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.360
<v Speaker 1>eight percent of it is crap and two percent of

1304
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:20.679
<v Speaker 1>it is good. He says, when I was making music,

1305
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.400
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight percent of it was crap and two percent

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01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.039
<v Speaker 1>of it was good. You just remember the good part.

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01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:27.639
<v Speaker 2>YEP, that's a great point. Yeah.

1308
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.639
<v Speaker 1>South Park played into that because they did a Stranger

1309
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Thing spoof. They're like, oh, and we get to listen

1310
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 1>to eighties music and they played the worst eighties music

1311
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.719
<v Speaker 1>you've ever heard, because you only think of the bangers

1312
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.440
<v Speaker 1>from the eighties and they play a lot.

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01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.159
<v Speaker 2>They're like, what is this? But like this, did you

1314
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:44.039
<v Speaker 2>see the trailer? I don't even know if it does.

1315
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.360
<v Speaker 2>It come out tomorrow. Of the Tales from eighty five

1316
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:50.239
<v Speaker 2>no netflicks. So it's an animated thing, and it's set

1317
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.920
<v Speaker 2>between I think seasons one and seasons two of Stranger Things,

1318
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.280
<v Speaker 2>so it's all all the normal characters, but everything's animated.

1319
01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.639
<v Speaker 2>My son made me watch it, lest Oh doesn't this

1320
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.800
<v Speaker 2>look great? I wish it was an an animated I'm like, yeah,

1321
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.239
<v Speaker 2>no kidding. I wish they could freeze these actors in

1322
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.239
<v Speaker 2>time to keep them the same edge and just keep

1323
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.360
<v Speaker 2>making more stranger things. That's not the way it works.

1324
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:11.559
<v Speaker 2>But it looked it had a very AI developed five

1325
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.079
<v Speaker 2>more years. It had a very what if vibe? Oh cool? Yeah,

1326
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:17.400
<v Speaker 2>so we'll see what. I have to keep an eye

1327
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.039
<v Speaker 2>out there, all right, uh next week? Yeah, okay, So

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01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.880
<v Speaker 2>there's two options here. Sure I gotta remember, make sure.

1329
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I remember. We have the Michael Jackson biopic.

1330
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure is it biopic or biopic? Oh, don't even get

1331
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.400
<v Speaker 2>me started. I honestly I use them interchangeably. We have

1332
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 2>not accurate, but I know one way is right.

1333
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, biopic feels right, but it's also a bio picture.

1334
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:42.400
<v Speaker 1>So I like, that's why I go back and forth

1335
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:44.960
<v Speaker 1>on I don't know. The dude who created gifts says

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01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pronounced jiff.

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01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I still pronounce it jiff because that's what he.

1338
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Said, right, But if I gave you a gift, you

1339
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:52.920
<v Speaker 1>will be like, no, you didn't, you gave me a gift.

1340
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:54.440
<v Speaker 2>That dude didn't invent jiffs.

1341
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 1>He invented jiffs anyway. So it's getting review bombed by

1342
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the way. Apparently people are upset about how it kind

1343
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of it doesn't really address uh, the end of his life.

1344
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I okay, I guess it does take us through.

1345
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not like a Johnny Cash where it's like one

1346
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:15.199
<v Speaker 2>part of his life or what have you. Okay, So there's.

1347
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.800
<v Speaker 1>That, and if we actually watched that, we might have

1348
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:19.199
<v Speaker 1>to go down a rabbit hole where I think he

1349
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:19.639
<v Speaker 1>was framed.

1350
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:23.639
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, go ahead, Yeah, do you think he was

1351
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:27.519
<v Speaker 2>framed for? I don't think. I don't even get me going, man,

1352
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get you going. I just answer this question.

1353
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was, he acted in I don't know that

1354
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:34.719
<v Speaker 1>he was ever found guilty. So as of right now,

1355
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it's all just accusations as to what ended up happening.

1356
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay. O. J. Simpson was found not guilty, Yeah, of

1357
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.079
<v Speaker 2>murdering Nicole Brown Simpson. I know, I know. I think

1358
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:48.239
<v Speaker 2>that's not an appropriate comparison. Why is it not appropriate?

1359
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.719
<v Speaker 2>They're both innocent or they're both not guilty, right.

1360
01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:54.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm just more skeptical about one than the other, is

1361
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:57.039
<v Speaker 1>all I'm saying. I'm like, m, this feels like character assassination.

1362
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:58.320
<v Speaker 1>The further along ago.

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01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:02.599
<v Speaker 2>The King of Pop. Yeah, all right, So that's why

1364
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:04.840
<v Speaker 2>it's getting bombed as well. I'm just saying, all right, yeah,

1365
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I know it's a sensitive issue for a lot of people. Still, yeah, Okay,

1366
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.199
<v Speaker 2>So there's that one and then there's the other one

1367
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, which I think intrigued you over My Dead

1368
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Body Yeah with Jason Siegel.

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01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that one appeals to me more because I've never

1370
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:21.280
<v Speaker 1>been a big bye because like Landon Moore are a

1371
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.920
<v Speaker 1>news Zanchory never had seen any movie. Like I'd be like, oh,

1372
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:26.679
<v Speaker 1>clever girl. He's like, what the hell is that? And

1373
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm like Jurassic Park. He's like, I've never seen it,

1374
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Like Landing get a freaking VCR man. But but uh,

1375
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.159
<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh do you see Like he never talks

1376
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:36.760
<v Speaker 1>me about movies. He's like, did you see the Michael

1377
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Jackson movies coming out? And just like I'm really not

1378
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:42.519
<v Speaker 1>into biopics. I think I said biopics and uh and

1379
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I was, and I was like, but I might be

1380
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:46.119
<v Speaker 1>seeing it for the podcast, in which case.

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01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:48.519
<v Speaker 2>The other thing too, is like you had you had

1382
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.599
<v Speaker 2>walk the line Joaquin Phoenix Academy Award winner, Sure, the

1383
01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:56.599
<v Speaker 2>one with Queen Bohemian Raps. Yeah, Rammy Mallick Academy Award winner,

1384
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:01.480
<v Speaker 2>even the Elton John one with was an Angle or

1385
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:05.440
<v Speaker 2>whatever his name is from The Watchman. No he's not.

1386
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:10.800
<v Speaker 2>He was from Elk Kingsman whatever, that's what I meant, Kingsman, Yes, yeah.

1387
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And then you had Elvis with the guy I can

1388
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:19.119
<v Speaker 2>never he was from Once upon a time in Hollywood.

1389
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I can't think of what his name is now, the

1390
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:26.480
<v Speaker 2>guy who played Elvis in that film Academy Award winner. This,

1391
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:30.719
<v Speaker 2>this guy playing Michael Jackson is like Michael Jackson's nephew

1392
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.760
<v Speaker 2>or something like, I don't even know if he's like, well,

1393
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:37.280
<v Speaker 2>he looks so much like him, that's yeah, yeah, which

1394
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 2>you would have Butler Butler, yeah, yeah. So so this

1395
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 2>guy and I think he is an actor, like it's

1396
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.320
<v Speaker 2>not like they just got him. But his chops are

1397
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:53.079
<v Speaker 2>are his and I should say his chops. His reputation

1398
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.840
<v Speaker 2>is history to me is sketchy at best. Yeah, so

1399
01:05:57.920 --> 01:05:59.880
<v Speaker 2>to put this on him, but maybe it was destined

1400
01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:01.119
<v Speaker 2>to fail, I don't know who knows.

1401
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.400
<v Speaker 1>And again, the audiences are loving it, critics are are

1402
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:05.280
<v Speaker 1>bashing it.

1403
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so critics are who's review bombing it? Then that

1404
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.519
<v Speaker 2>critics okay, Then then this is just a case of

1405
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:18.440
<v Speaker 2>them having an axe to grind about. Uh, upset with

1406
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:24.519
<v Speaker 2>the ending, clearly well, upset with the non I mean,

1407
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:27.199
<v Speaker 2>you don't even have to say the ending. Upset with

1408
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.480
<v Speaker 2>with stuff that was not included in the story such

1409
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I guess kind of is the ending. You're right. But

1410
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 2>if critics, if audiences love it, yeah, maybe it is good.

1411
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't. Yeah, we don't have to do it. We don't.

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01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Inherently, it's much more just like essentially a rundown of

1413
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.880
<v Speaker 1>his greatest hits instead of like actually being a narrative.

1414
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to see that.

1415
01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:48.159
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of the way that it's being described. But

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01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:49.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people love the music, Like I could

1417
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:50.360
<v Speaker 1>be talked to you.

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01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I love the music too, but I don't want to

1419
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:55.159
<v Speaker 2>go see a musical. Yeah, make there are Michael Jackson

1420
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:57.320
<v Speaker 2>musicals you can see absolutely. I'm not.

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01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, let's do over my dead body. Yeah that

1422
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that feels exciting anyway in that premis I think that's

1423
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:04.239
<v Speaker 1>going to be more fun to talk about.

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01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:07.079
<v Speaker 2>I agree. I agree, because then yeah, no rabbit holes

1425
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:08.679
<v Speaker 2>for me. I don't want to be like, oh, remember

1426
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:11.559
<v Speaker 2>when when Jaffar Jackson or whatever, Remember when he did

1427
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.599
<v Speaker 2>that thriller dance. Yeah, that was Yeah. Nobody wants to

1428
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:17.519
<v Speaker 2>hear it. We don't want to talk about Yeah. Perfect.

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01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Then we got we got our solution to that, and

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01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:21.239
<v Speaker 1>we'll jump into that with you guys next week.

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01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening.
