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Speaker 1: Well, ladies and gentlemen, we got a real nice another

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MCU topic here. Doomsday Avengers supposed to be having a

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rumored storyline of Captain America kind of paralleling with Doomsday

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or with Doctor Doom here. So do you know anything

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about these these two sharing a storyline together?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't, I really don't. This is kind of

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uncharted territory for your boy.

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Speaker 3: It's unsure a territory for me too.

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Speaker 1: But luckily we got some details here provided by the

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Travis Snelle, like Victor von Doom's wife and son that

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got killed in an accident rip and Victor himself was injured

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and his body damaged. He traced the cause of the

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accident to Steve going back in time, and now he's

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after him to avenge his family. I mean we've already

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covered half of this. Steve has gone through time and

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has mucked around a bit, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe Doom's wife was Peggy, you know,

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maybe that Maybe I don't think that's what I want. Wow,

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I don't think that's where we're going with it. But yeah,

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you're right, Okay, we've set that up, so we could

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you know, connect that back to our last Avengers movie

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a little bit of continuity there, so that makes a

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little bit of sense. But uh, I have a couple

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of questions with this, and maybe I just don't understand

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this the what Doom is doing usually, but I just

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don't see how this concept leads Doom to be going

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all these different worlds interacting with all these different characters,

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Like how how do the original like Fox era X

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Men characters fit into that narrative? That's a very simple narrative.

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It's just a revenge story, right, He's just trying to

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go kill the guy who killed his wife. Like we

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already kind of had that a bit with what's his

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name from Civil War? What's the guy the dancing.

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Speaker 3: From Civil War?

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Speaker 2: Daniel Brule, like the villain in Civil War who kind

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of sticks Tony, Yeah, Zimo. I feel like that's kind

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of why I'm with Zemo, right, Like his uh, his

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wife and kid were killed in the Sokovia thing, and

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that's kind of set up his story, and so I

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just feel like maybe we're retreading ground a little bit there.

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And also that's tied that would also be kind of

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weird because well, shit, I guess that is kind of

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like a full circle moment then, because if that, if

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Civil War is all about Tony versus Cap, and this

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is you know, not Tony anymore, but still Downy versus Cap,

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like maybe that's what they're going for intentionally and they're

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trying to get that idea again.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I'm not gonna lie you

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like it now, yeah, because that's just a weird, distorted

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kind of perspective where it's not Tony's Wow, we don't

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know if this is Tony's doctor Doom, but it's like, yeah,

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Robert and as Tony's parents getting killed and now, oh no,

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it's his wife and kid, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what are we gonna Is the twist gonna

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be that Zemo actually killed Doom's wife and kids in

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the like framed cap for it, he was actually the

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one setting up this whole event too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take more Zemo.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's get him in there.

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Speaker 2: But it's been a bit, he's been on ice for

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a little bit. I feel like we need to break well.

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Speaker 3: He was supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: He was supposed to be yeah, okay, he was supposed

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to be in Bolts too, right, and then he didn't

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end up being the Bolts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, I believe Yeah, he would have been

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great in Thunderbolts.

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Speaker 2: He would have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you highlighting that retreading aspect here, very very good point.

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I didn't actually think about that, so.

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Speaker 3: Hmm. It is something that we have seen before, and

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the only difference that would really really get me jazzed is, yeah,

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if it is the doom of Robert Jenny Junior and

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now I think it was me and Travis were talking

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on a weekly Geek not too long ago where it

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seems like there's rumors of multiple doctor dooms in here

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and like a lady doom as well.

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Speaker 2: So right with anid armis right? Is the potential for that? Uh?

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Speaker 3: Sure, I will believe you.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was on that episode that you were referencing.

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Speaker 1: It might have been. I don't remember that specific. I

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just remember the multiple dooms. But well maybe yeah, maybe

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I do have like a faint memory a ghost memory

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of anid armis being mentioned. But anyways, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Take a ress.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if it is Tony's doom, then that's

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absolutely something you bank on and you run with. I'm

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totally down to see that with just like the table's

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kind of not flipped, but just this him getting the

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short end of the stick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Civil War is my favorite MCU movie.

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So if we're we're going back to that, well, it's

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a good will to be drinking from, so it's right.

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But yeah, I don't know. Something about this just doesn't

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seem grand enough for the premise of an Avengers level

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movie or a Avengers level threat, because like, does he

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care about anyone else? Or is it like are the

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X Men just protecting Cap or something? Like how do

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they get involved in this? He's going to world to world.

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I don't know why he would need to kill these people.

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Like he would go to the World, he'd go to

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X Men Land, he'd see, Okay, CAP's not here. Okay,

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I'll go to the next one. Then he goes, you know,

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to Toby's world. CAP's not here, let me go to

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the next one. Like that doesn't sound like a very

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fun movie. That sounds pretty dull.

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Speaker 1: Actually yeah it does.

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Speaker 3: It does, and the idea too, Like.

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Speaker 1: Touching back on Toby and his universe, we don't have

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all of the Avengers and all the other heroes and

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stuff that exists there, right, So I mean, if we

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get into this storyline here with Doom and Captain America, Like,

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what are there what are their teams are existing in

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the storyline, right, because I'm not even sure if there's

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a Fantastic Four in our main universe or MCU universe here,

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because they're clearly coming from a different parallel right parallel.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean even now, like

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our cap is is not even I guess he's around

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as an old man, right, but like I assume we're

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going back to a young Chris Evans anyway, what.

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Speaker 1: If we're looking at this the wrong way. We're assuming

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it's Chris Evans. What if it's Sam Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Man, I don't I don't think. I don't know if

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you saw The Box Office or Brave New World, but

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I don't know if they're banking on Mackie being the

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big face on the poster here to carry this home.

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Speaker 1: He I think he was, he was hoping. But yeah,

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I mean he does have a team. He's assembling his

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his Avengers, right, he's rebuilding them.

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Speaker 2: So maybe, yeah, I mean maybe maybe maybe we are

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misthinking this. I guess there's like it's confusing because there's

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so many different caps that that it could be. But okay, yeah,

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if it was the Sam one, does that make a

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bit more sense, right, because he, as you're saying, he's

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more insulate, he's got a lot of people around. Still,

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I still don't know how that really involves the multiversal people, right.

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I feel like that would just kind of set up

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our main Avengers of like trying to defend Cap.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, and if this story is the actual story

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where Cap, I mean in the notes says Steve going

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back in time and causing this ruckus, but the rumor though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true because that was not that was

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not Sam. Yeah, and you would think that Doom would

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be smart enough to be able to tell that they're

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different people even though they have the same moniker.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean he kidnaps Flash Thompson thinking Spider Man,

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Speaker 2: That logic us agent he's getting he's getting killed, Like, oh,

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that might be Cap. I'm not exactly sure. Let me

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just kill him anyway that would do? Would say?

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely?

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Speaker 2: And I mean that that would make because he's he's

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on the Avengers, Like if Doom's like, okay, here's what

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I know about Cap. He wears this suit has like

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a shield, and he's on the Avengers. Well who's on

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the Avengers right now? We don't really know, I guess,

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but we know that there's a new Avengers team and

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that involves US Asian and not not Sam Wilson. So

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we'll have to see how that Avengers kind of political

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battle the IP rights, how that evolves also, and by

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the time Doomsday rolls around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right, cool, cool, cool cool. I'm

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trying to think if I have anything else I can

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add to the Doomsday Captain America kind of thing here.

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Speaker 2: If it is this, if it is Doom with the

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revenge tail centered around Cap, which Cap do you want

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that to be? What do you think has more fertile

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ground for juicy content?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it Sam Wilson or is it U Evans?

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Speaker 3: It's Evans for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think if you get that Evans square off with

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Robert Danney Junior's Doom, I mean, oh my god, that's

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just that's the Beasneys. But you're not going to get

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that same Captain America that we had in our main MCU.

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I think you know that Cap is old he's old man.

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Cap so I think you're just gonna get a Captain

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America from a different universe and maybe, yeah, Evans plays

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they don't want him to be old, wrinkly

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cap for this whole movie. So do they go back

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and like pluck him from Like, sorry, buddy, I know

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you're dancing with Peggy and you're having a great time,

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but you kind of killed someone's wife, and now that

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he's coming after you, we gotta bring you back. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Seems messy, but I think I think no matter what

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happens this, these two Avengers movies are gonna be extremely messy,

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and hopefully they're still super fun. But yeah, I just

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think they're It's likely that they're gonna be very very messy.

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But there's too many changes, too much stuff up in

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the air, presumably last minute changes. It see. It sounds

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like for a lot of these things. I wonder if

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Sadie Sink when she got hired, even knew what role

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she was playing. I feel like that could be uh unknown.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I'll play it, I'll play whatever you want.

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I'll be in Spider Man. Sure what character? And they're like,

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we'll tell you on the day we're shooting what character

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you're playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be interesting. Probably didn't even know it

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was a Marvel movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe she did think it was The Odyssey and

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she's like, where's Tom Holland. I don't see Yeah, oh

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you're not Christopher Dolan. Oh Burnhal Holland.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, this is I'm on the Odyssey movie.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, this is not that one.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, he's we're gonna cee g I Tom Holland

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didn't know worry about it?

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah?

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Speaker 1: Uh cool? Alright, Uh do you have anything else you

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want to slide in there for that topic?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I think uh, I think we're well covered on the

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Marvel front.

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Speaker 1: Well covered. Okay, cool. Well