Speaker 1: Well, ladies and gentlemen, we got a real nice another
MCU topic here. Doomsday Avengers supposed to be having a
rumored storyline of Captain America kind of paralleling with Doomsday
or with Doctor Doom here. So do you know anything
about these these two sharing a storyline together?
Speaker 2: No, I don't, I really don't. This is kind of
uncharted territory for your boy.
Speaker 3: It's unsure a territory for me too.
Speaker 1: But luckily we got some details here provided by the
Travis Snelle, like Victor von Doom's wife and son that
got killed in an accident rip and Victor himself was injured
and his body damaged. He traced the cause of the
accident to Steve going back in time, and now he's
after him to avenge his family. I mean we've already
covered half of this. Steve has gone through time and
has mucked around a bit, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe Doom's wife was Peggy, you know,
maybe that Maybe I don't think that's what I want. Wow,
I don't think that's where we're going with it. But yeah,
you're right, Okay, we've set that up, so we could
you know, connect that back to our last Avengers movie
a little bit of continuity there, so that makes a
little bit of sense. But uh, I have a couple
of questions with this, and maybe I just don't understand
this the what Doom is doing usually, but I just
don't see how this concept leads Doom to be going
all these different worlds interacting with all these different characters,
Like how how do the original like Fox era X
Men characters fit into that narrative? That's a very simple narrative.
It's just a revenge story, right, He's just trying to
go kill the guy who killed his wife. Like we
already kind of had that a bit with what's his
name from Civil War? What's the guy the dancing.
Speaker 3: From Civil War?
Speaker 2: Daniel Brule, like the villain in Civil War who kind
of sticks Tony, Yeah, Zimo. I feel like that's kind
of why I'm with Zemo, right, Like his uh, his
wife and kid were killed in the Sokovia thing, and
that's kind of set up his story, and so I
just feel like maybe we're retreading ground a little bit there.
And also that's tied that would also be kind of
weird because well, shit, I guess that is kind of
like a full circle moment then, because if that, if
Civil War is all about Tony versus Cap, and this
is you know, not Tony anymore, but still Downy versus Cap,
like maybe that's what they're going for intentionally and they're
trying to get that idea again.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I'm not gonna lie you
like it now, yeah, because that's just a weird, distorted
kind of perspective where it's not Tony's Wow, we don't
know if this is Tony's doctor Doom, but it's like, yeah,
Robert and as Tony's parents getting killed and now, oh no,
it's his wife and kid, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what are we gonna Is the twist gonna
be that Zemo actually killed Doom's wife and kids in
the like framed cap for it, he was actually the
one setting up this whole event too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take more Zemo.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's get him in there.
Speaker 2: But it's been a bit, he's been on ice for
a little bit. I feel like we need to break well.
Speaker 3: He was supposed to be.
Speaker 2: He was supposed to be yeah, okay, he was supposed
to be in Bolts too, right, and then he didn't
end up being the Bolts.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, I believe Yeah, he would have been
great in Thunderbolts.
Speaker 2: He would have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you highlighting that retreading aspect here, very very good point.
I didn't actually think about that, so.
Speaker 3: Hmm. It is something that we have seen before, and
the only difference that would really really get me jazzed is, yeah,
if it is the doom of Robert Jenny Junior and
now I think it was me and Travis were talking
on a weekly Geek not too long ago where it
seems like there's rumors of multiple doctor dooms in here
and like a lady doom as well.
Speaker 2: So right with anid armis right? Is the potential for that? Uh?
Speaker 3: Sure, I will believe you.
Speaker 2: I thought that was on that episode that you were referencing.
Speaker 1: It might have been. I don't remember that specific. I
just remember the multiple dooms. But well maybe yeah, maybe
I do have like a faint memory a ghost memory
of anid armis being mentioned. But anyways, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Take a ress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if it is Tony's doom, then that's
absolutely something you bank on and you run with. I'm
totally down to see that with just like the table's
kind of not flipped, but just this him getting the
short end of the stick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Civil War is my favorite MCU movie.
So if we're we're going back to that, well, it's
a good will to be drinking from, so it's right.
But yeah, I don't know. Something about this just doesn't
seem grand enough for the premise of an Avengers level
movie or a Avengers level threat, because like, does he
care about anyone else? Or is it like are the
X Men just protecting Cap or something? Like how do
they get involved in this? He's going to world to world.
I don't know why he would need to kill these people.
Like he would go to the World, he'd go to
X Men Land, he'd see, Okay, CAP's not here. Okay,
I'll go to the next one. Then he goes, you know,
to Toby's world. CAP's not here, let me go to
the next one. Like that doesn't sound like a very
fun movie. That sounds pretty dull.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah it does.
Speaker 3: It does, and the idea too, Like.
Speaker 1: Touching back on Toby and his universe, we don't have
all of the Avengers and all the other heroes and
stuff that exists there, right, So I mean, if we
get into this storyline here with Doom and Captain America, Like,
what are there what are their teams are existing in
the storyline, right, because I'm not even sure if there's
a Fantastic Four in our main universe or MCU universe here,
because they're clearly coming from a different parallel right parallel.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean even now, like
our cap is is not even I guess he's around
as an old man, right, but like I assume we're
going back to a young Chris Evans anyway, what.
Speaker 1: If we're looking at this the wrong way. We're assuming
it's Chris Evans. What if it's Sam Wilson.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't I don't think. I don't know if
you saw The Box Office or Brave New World, but
I don't know if they're banking on Mackie being the
big face on the poster here to carry this home.
Speaker 1: He I think he was, he was hoping. But yeah,
I mean he does have a team. He's assembling his
his Avengers, right, he's rebuilding them.
Speaker 2: So maybe, yeah, I mean maybe maybe maybe we are
misthinking this. I guess there's like it's confusing because there's
so many different caps that that it could be. But okay, yeah,
if it was the Sam one, does that make a
bit more sense, right, because he, as you're saying, he's
more insulate, he's got a lot of people around. Still,
I still don't know how that really involves the multiversal people, right.
I feel like that would just kind of set up
our main Avengers of like trying to defend Cap.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, and if this story is the actual story
where Cap, I mean in the notes says Steve going
back in time and causing this ruckus, but the rumor though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true because that was not that was
not Sam. Yeah, and you would think that Doom would
be smart enough to be able to tell that they're
different people even though they have the same moniker.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he kidnaps Flash Thompson thinking Spider Man,
So I mean he's got kidnapper syndrome, and by.
Speaker 2: That logic us agent he's getting he's getting killed, Like, oh,
that might be Cap. I'm not exactly sure. Let me
just kill him anyway that would do? Would say?
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely?
Speaker 2: And I mean that that would make because he's he's
on the Avengers, Like if Doom's like, okay, here's what
I know about Cap. He wears this suit has like
a shield, and he's on the Avengers. Well who's on
the Avengers right now? We don't really know, I guess,
but we know that there's a new Avengers team and
that involves US Asian and not not Sam Wilson. So
we'll have to see how that Avengers kind of political
battle the IP rights, how that evolves also, and by
the time Doomsday rolls around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right, cool, cool, cool cool. I'm
trying to think if I have anything else I can
add to the Doomsday Captain America kind of thing here.
Speaker 2: If it is this, if it is Doom with the
revenge tail centered around Cap, which Cap do you want
that to be? What do you think has more fertile
ground for juicy content?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it Sam Wilson or is it U Evans?
Speaker 3: It's Evans for sure.
Speaker 1: I think if you get that Evans square off with
Robert Danney Junior's Doom, I mean, oh my god, that's
just that's the Beasneys. But you're not going to get
that same Captain America that we had in our main MCU.
I think you know that Cap is old he's old man.
Cap so I think you're just gonna get a Captain
America from a different universe and maybe, yeah, Evans plays
a bit more of a different Zany personality for that
Captain America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they don't want him to be old, wrinkly
cap for this whole movie. So do they go back
and like pluck him from Like, sorry, buddy, I know
you're dancing with Peggy and you're having a great time,
but you kind of killed someone's wife, and now that
he's coming after you, we gotta bring you back. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Seems messy, but I think I think no matter what
happens this, these two Avengers movies are gonna be extremely messy,
and hopefully they're still super fun. But yeah, I just
think they're It's likely that they're gonna be very very messy.
But there's too many changes, too much stuff up in
the air, presumably last minute changes. It see. It sounds
like for a lot of these things. I wonder if
Sadie Sink when she got hired, even knew what role
she was playing. I feel like that could be uh unknown.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'll play it, I'll play whatever you want.
I'll be in Spider Man. Sure what character? And they're like,
we'll tell you on the day we're shooting what character
you're playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be interesting. Probably didn't even know it
was a Marvel movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe she did think it was The Odyssey and
she's like, where's Tom Holland. I don't see Yeah, oh
you're not Christopher Dolan. Oh Burnhal Holland.
Speaker 3: Oh man, this is I'm on the Odyssey movie.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, this is not that one.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, he's we're gonna cee g I Tom Holland
didn't know worry about it?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh cool? Alright, Uh do you have anything else you
want to slide in there for that topic?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I think uh, I think we're well covered on the
Marvel front.
Speaker 1: Well covered. Okay, cool. Well