WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.719 I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.719 and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird 3 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.320 that people are going to have to talk about how 4 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:14.119 weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what 5 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:19.120 the hell is going on? It's not enough to say 6 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.519 it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts. 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:27.679 The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, 8 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:34.560 possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place 9 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:40.479 to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to 10 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.359 the forces that have been unleashed. 11 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:47.759 Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host to 12 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:51.640 Chris Matthew. Today. My guest is Vicky Joy Anderson. First, 13 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.640 be sure to watch my film Doors of Perception. Vicky 14 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:58.039 Joy Anderson is featured in the film. You can now 15 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:01.200 get it on Amazon Prime. It will soon be available 16 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:05.040 on the other streaming platforms as well. We are booking 17 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:07.599 guests for August. If you have suggestions or you'd like 18 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:10.239 to be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledge Neews at 19 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:13.400 gmail dot com. Today, I want to welcome back to 20 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.959 the show Vicky Joy Anderson. She is author and speaker 21 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:23.319 that researches sleep paralysis and the metaphysical possibilities surrounding the phenomena. 22 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:25.480 Vicky Joy, welcome back. 23 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:26.120 How you doing. 24 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:29.120 Hey, great to be back doing great. 25 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.840 It's great to have you. Always a fascinating conversation, and 26 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:36.319 today we're going to get deeper into the sleep paralysis 27 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:40.040 phenomena that you've been looking at for very long time. 28 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:45.159 You and I were discussing the possibilities of how technology 29 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.519 and AI may be affecting the phenomena. You are also 30 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:54.799 looking at the connections between Nosferatu, the new film, and 31 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.640 the sleep paralysis phenomena overall. So that's a lot to 32 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.760 discuss today. Before we get to any of that, just 33 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:04.680 remind the audience a little bit about yourself and let 34 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:06.519 them know how they can find out more about you. 35 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:11.400 Yeah. Absolutely, Vickyjoy. Anderson dot com is going to be 36 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:14.680 your hub for everything. You can find my books there, 37 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:17.919 my podcasts where I'm traveling around the country doing about 38 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.439 four conferences here coming up. If I'm in your area, 39 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:22.879 I'd love to see you. You can get all the 40 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.879 direct links to my social media that there. You can 41 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.439 email me, so that's kind of the best place to start. 42 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:32.439 Whatever you need, you're going to find on Vickijoyanderson dot 43 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:39.120 com author researcher I dive into the fringe, spiritual warfare, 44 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:44.400 the demonic, biblical demonology, sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, but all 45 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:45.960 through a biblical lens. 46 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.639 Excellent, great introduction. Since it's been a little while since 47 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:52.000 you've been on and for the audience that may not 48 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.680 be familiar, could you talk a little bit about how 49 00:02:55.759 --> 00:03:02.319 you've made the connections between biblical demons and sleep paralysis. 50 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:08.800 Yeah. Absolutely so. Obviously there's been this age old debate 51 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:11.520 and it's a debate that's never going to go away. Chris, 52 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:14.879 even if an angel on high came down and said 53 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:18.759 this is the word of the Lord, this is what 54 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:21.520 sleep paralysis is, we'll still argue about it, because, you know, 55 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:26.719 the world is too complicated. We develop our worldviews over 56 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.759 the course of our entire lifetime, and what feeds into 57 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.879 that worldview is the way we were raised, any religious system, 58 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:38.639 we have, our education, our culture, and a massive part 59 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.240 of our worldview is shaped by our non conscious mind. 60 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:46.919 So a big part of our worldview is tapping into 61 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.080 aspects of our psyche that we aren't really even in 62 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.520 touch with. On a daily basis, and so it's pretty hard, 63 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:56.840 as they say, to teach an old dog nutricks. And 64 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.520 when we are confronted with information that can flicks with 65 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.120 our worldview, we tend to get the dissonance right, and 66 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:06.680 we get angry and we argue, and we end up 67 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:13.039 fighting from this point of resistance that doesn't really allow 68 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.279 us to really seriously consider. So that's what kind of 69 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:19.720 what we're dealing with here. But with the sleep paralysis, 70 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:23.079 you've got the two or three main camps, you've got 71 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:27.639 the people that are this is all scientific. We can 72 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.000 explain this. This has to do with brain waves, This 73 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.319 has to do with your sleeping in the wrong position, 74 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:35.439 you ate too close to dinner, that actually goes all 75 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.000 the way back. I just read a book by John Bond, 76 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:41.920 md E writing in the mid seventeen hundreds. He was 77 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:46.120 a frequent experiencer of the nightmare, which is the sucubus, 78 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:51.319 the classic, and so he explained medically that if you 79 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.959 don't sleep on your back, and you don't eat too 80 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.439 much flesh or beer before you go to bed, you 81 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.399 won't ever have this again. And so he reduced down 82 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:07.000 to this medical, scientific explanation and scoffed quite heartily in 83 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:09.759 his book at the people that thought anything spiritual or 84 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.160 demonic was going on. So to all of you sleep 85 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.920 paralysis sufferers out there who go on social media and 86 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.319 you get mocked and people talk about the tinfoil had 87 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.839 and how many paint chips you've eaten in things. This 88 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.959 has been going on for centuries and it's probably never 89 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.600 going to change at this point. So here's a deal, Chris. 90 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:32.000 We've got two camps at war. It's purely scientific, and 91 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.639 then you've got the religious folk, where it's it's always 92 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.800 a demon, that everything's demonic. And I think where my 93 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:41.720 research is perhaps a little bit different from most people 94 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:46.519 in my arena is that, yeah, I have a belief 95 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:51.199 in a demonic hierarchy, a hierarchy of different spiritual beings, 96 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:54.160 some of which can be fallen. But I don't believe 97 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.560 that every single thing that happens to us, even in 98 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.240 the sleep paralysis phenomenon, is a demon. I think it 99 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:05.240 is a complex scenario that has also a lot to 100 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:10.720 do with your genetics, your bloodline, your physiology, your health comorbidities, 101 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:17.879 stress physiology, and your circadian rhythm, et cetera, et cetera, 102 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:22.600 which can be compounded if there are also spiritual things 103 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.040 going on as well. So I like to dig a 104 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:31.199 little bit deeper. And I just think that the compartmentalization 105 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.519 of the study of this topic is getting it's putting 106 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:40.399 everyone in in ignorance. You've got the doctors who have 107 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:43.959 their hands over their heads. I absolutely if I can't 108 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.319 plot this on you know, a graph, If I can't 109 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.959 scientific method this thing to death, then I'm going to 110 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:54.519 just scoff at every other possibility. And then you've got 111 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:57.000 the religious people with their hands and their fingers in 112 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:01.879 their ears, saying, how Dad, where you say that physiology 113 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:03.920 has anything to do with this? Which makes no sense 114 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:07.519 to me, Chris, Because if you're going to believe in 115 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:12.439 a creator who designed your body and designed your brain 116 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:20.439 and brain receptors and dopamine to say that we are mind, body, soul, 117 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.800 and spirit, but that we have experiences where we're detached 118 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.519 from part of that. So even if you want to 119 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.199 say that sleep paralysis is a spiritual experience, you have 120 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.319 to understand that your body and your brain and brain 121 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.439 chemicals are involved in that process as well. They're along 122 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.240 for the ride. So we have to get more intellectually 123 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:41.439 honest in this discussion. Chris, I think it's time. There's 124 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:44.560 so much disclosure out there, there's so much being revealed. 125 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:47.720 There's so many people coming together who in the past 126 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.959 wouldn't come together and have a discussion. And I think 127 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:56.959 instead of just acting like five year olds and name calling, hey, 128 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.079 maybe if the doctors and the scientists and the theologians 129 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.360 got together, we could figure this out. 130 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:09.759 Let's get deep into some of the modern experiences that 131 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.800 have led you to look into the connections with our technology, 132 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:17.079 how we're interfacing with it and even artificial intelligence. 133 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:22.519 Yeah. Absolutely, this is just great. There's so much coming 134 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.480 out now with dream tech. We can get into that 135 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:30.879 in a second. But yeah, so little definition of terms. 136 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:34.720 I want to sort something out, And Chris, I tend 137 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.799 to get in trouble with the Christians on this, and 138 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.720 as long as everyone's listening to my entire presentation, it 139 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:43.799 should make sense. But when you start pulling thirty second 140 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.720 snippets into reels and stuff out of context, it makes 141 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.120 me sound like an insane person. But I'm getting used 142 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:53.360 to that. Here's the deal with lucid dreaming. There is 143 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.480 a phenomenon in the church amongst people who have been 144 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.519 born and raised in the church. And I'm speaking as 145 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:01.759 someone who was born and raised in the church. Here's 146 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:07.159 one of the flaws. Whenever we hear a term that 147 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:12.840 has been claimed by a particular community, or perhaps a 148 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:18.000 term or something that's been hijacked from us, we just 149 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.639 throw the baby out with the bath water immediately. We 150 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:24.960 won't even hear that person out. And furthermore, if you 151 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.080 dare as a Christian to talk about something like astral 152 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.039 projection or lucid dreaming, as soon as you say those phrases, 153 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:38.200 those buzzwords, not only are you immediately cast out and 154 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:41.080 not listened to, but now all of a sudden, you're 155 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.360 a witch or you're a troll or whatever. But if 156 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:48.000 you listen to the entire conversation, this is what I 157 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.159 need to say about lucid dreaming. And this is a 158 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:56.799 very important topic because our technology is now moving in 159 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:02.720 this direction and it's being presented as really fun interactive tools. 160 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.440 Hey do you have insomnia? Hey do you have sleep paralysis? 161 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:08.639 Or hey do you have stress? And they've got these 162 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:14.440 binormal beat headphones, We've got frequency technology the brain and trainment, 163 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:18.879 We've got halo, the prophetic Ai Halo Lucid Dreaming headband 164 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:24.360 coming out. We have a bevy of Lucid Dreaming sleep masks. 165 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:26.480 Most of this is based off the work being done 166 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:28.440 at the Monroe Institute, right. 167 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.679 Yes, exactly, that is absolutely where the root is his 168 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:37.759 hemi sync technology. H is what sort of birthed the 169 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.240 brain entrainment movement. Now we have different terms now we 170 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.600 say binormal beats and we use other terms, but it's 171 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:51.120 brain entrainment. And what is actually happening is there is frequencies. 172 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:55.600 It's it's kind of like a ghost tone. There. There 173 00:10:55.720 --> 00:11:01.240 is a frequency that train means the right and the 174 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.600 left hemisphere of the brain to hum at the same frequency. 175 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:08.399 Because they're slightly off, they don't hum at the same frequency. 176 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:14.240 And again, Christians, the God who created your brain designed 177 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:18.080 your hemispheres to hum at certain frequencies. So when you're 178 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:23.759 overriding the design of the brain, anything that we do, Chris, 179 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.879 whenever we have surgery and we're like rerouting organs or 180 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:33.320 taking an organ out, or you've got even women taking 181 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.000 pills for weight loss or birth control or breast enhancement. 182 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:44.679 Any time you're introducing something into your system that is 183 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:51.480 rewiring the design. I all, this has kind of been 184 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:59.320 my my operation for these types of decisions. If it's 185 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.639 a life or death situation or I'm sick or I'm 186 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:06.799 going to go toxic. If it's a life saving medical 187 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.720 kind of a treatment, I'm willing to do things that 188 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.279 I need to do. I'll take an organ out or 189 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:15.720 I'll rewire something, but I'm not going to do something 190 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.759 like that to my physiology. If it's just for esthetics, 191 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.559 I'm not going to do it just for you know, oh, 192 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:23.519 my hair is going to look more healthy and thick 193 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:25.000 and long, or I'm not going to do it because 194 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.399 you know, my boobs might get a little bigger or something. 195 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:34.879 Because anytime you override the design of your physiology, you 196 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:38.639 are forcing your body to do something that it now 197 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.879 has to adapt to. I mean, you can even talk 198 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.679 about tattoos where you know the immune system. The reason 199 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.200 those tattoos are fading is the immune system is looking 200 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.159 at that as a tox and it's trying to get 201 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.519 rid of it, and so you're throwing your body off. 202 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.399 So I'm willing to throw my body off if it's 203 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.519 for my preservation of my life, but I'm not going 204 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:59.879 to do it for esthetics, and it's the same thing 205 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:05.799 with all this binaurmal beat stuff. You're training the brain 206 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:10.600 to hum at frequencies they don't naturally hum at. Now 207 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:15.559 what ends up happening is you get the equivalent then 208 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.919 of a four hurtz frequency in your brain. And what 209 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:26.480 happens at four hurts the human ear was can perceive 210 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.720 things above four hurts. When it goes to four hurts 211 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:38.360 or below, this is where we start hearing people talking 212 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:45.080 about feeling creeped out, feeling unsafe, feeling scared, or seeing 213 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.840 shadow people. This is actually and this is Chris going 214 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.200 back to the beginning of the conversation. This is why 215 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:56.840 we have to have a conversation that includes science, physiology, 216 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.279 and spirituality in order to understand this, because here is 217 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:06.320 the non demonic, non spiritual, non wu explanation. When we 218 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:11.600 are exposed to things that are buzzing below four hurts, 219 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:17.600 our eyeballs unperceptible to us. Our eyeballs are vibrating, and 220 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:21.840 when our eyeballs are vibrating, that's when we perceive that 221 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.840 we're seeing shadows out of the corner of our eyes 222 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.840 and then we look and there's nothing there. So frequency 223 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:33.480 has an ability to change our perception and our visual cortex, 224 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:38.080 et cetera, et cetera. So this lucid dreaming before we 225 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:41.600 go into a discussion about the tech, what's important about 226 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.120 this lucid dreaming? And Christians, I'm talking to you. You 227 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:51.519 have to listen through the buzzword that's uncomfortable. If the 228 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.960 brain was designed by God, this is what the brain 229 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.919 is designed to do. When we go into our e 230 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.840 our dorsilateral prefrontal cortex shuts off, it switches off. That's 231 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.360 the higher reasoning of the brain. That's the stuff where 232 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:14.039 we're decision making. We are looking at, you know, consequences 233 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:18.000 of decision making, logic reason that's where we're in tune 234 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.080 with our worldview and our moral code. So the reason 235 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.039 why we wake up feeling rested in the morning is 236 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.159 because that higher functioning part of the brain gets to 237 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:33.320 take a nap and we don't have to be processing, processing, processing, 238 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.679 and so when we wake up we have this sense 239 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:40.399 of rest because that higher functioning got to shut off. Now, 240 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:44.559 what lucid dreaming is, take all of the spirituality out 241 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.759 of it, take out the intentionality of it, take out 242 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:51.279 all the New Age definitions of it, all that means 243 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:56.039 from a physiological point of view, is that for some reason, 244 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.799 during an RAM state, your dorsilateral prefrontal cortex has switched 245 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:05.960 back on and you have access now again to your 246 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.840 higher reasoning while you're asleep. And so for those that 247 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:15.679 lucid dream this doesn't I'm not talking about intentionality here, 248 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:20.000 like I'm not talking about studying or training or learning 249 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:24.519 and intentionally inducing lucid states. What I'm talking about is 250 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:30.000 there are times many people with night tares, nightmares or 251 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:36.679 sleep paralysis will experience having awareness during these dreams where 252 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.879 all of a sudden they're like, oh crap, I'm in trouble. 253 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.679 I shouldn't be here, I don't want to be here, 254 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.559 And all of a sudden they have access to their 255 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.720 to their higher learning, and so they're able to say, 256 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.440 I don't want to be here and I don't consent 257 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:54.759 to this. I want to wake up in the name 258 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:58.080 of Jesus, leave me alone, whatever that is. And so 259 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:03.799 what's very important for everyone to understand is that there 260 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:08.799 are two ways you can harness lucid dreaming. You've got 261 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:12.640 the New Age definition where I'm going to intentionally seek 262 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.400 out lucid dreaming because it's going to be really fun 263 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.079 to have these adventures at night where I can fly 264 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.799 and I can interact with with dream characters or spirit beings. 265 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.240 I want to be Harry Potter, I want to be 266 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:26.519 Spider Man. I want a reality shift. You've got that 267 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:31.400 whole genre. But for people who are tormented in their sleep, 268 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.519 where they're trapped in the dreamscape and horrible things are 269 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.160 happening to them and it's frightening, and they're seeing beings 270 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.720 or they're being tormented, or they're in the labs strapped 271 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.039 down to the table being experimented on this sort of stuff. 272 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.839 Those people, when they become aware, when they become lucid, 273 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:55.640 they use that lucidity to escape the dream, escape, not 274 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.440 dive deeper into it. And so we can't just throw 275 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:01.759 the baby out with the bathwater. We have to understand 276 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:06.279 that people that are targeted individuals who are being tormented 277 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:10.880 in their sleep, the lucid dreaming for them is a 278 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.160 way out. It's a way to use their higher brain 279 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.160 functioning to say I don't want to be here, I 280 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.640 want to I want to wake up, I want to 281 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.640 get out. I need help. Little things too, like we 282 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:26.319 can say if we're being chased. We can say like 283 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.359 I need a car, I need a flashlight, you know, 284 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:32.839 things like that. So I just I'm really talking to 285 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:38.680 the Christians here. Before you just automatically think that everybody 286 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.079 who lucid dreams is doing it intentionally and they're a 287 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.039 witch and they're into witchcraft and their New Age, you 288 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:49.839 have to understand that physiologically, if someone's door cilateral prefrontal 289 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:54.319 cortex switches on during the middle of a dream state, 290 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.240 that there's nothing that that person did to induce that, 291 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.240 and if that can be you u to help that 292 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:06.359 person get out of a situation. We just we have 293 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:10.039 to stop just putting every single thing into one into 294 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:12.799 one category and say lucid dreaming is a bad thing 295 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.920 and nobody can do it. If you're a Christian and 296 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:20.000 you believe that God designed your brain, and you believe 297 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:24.240 in spiritual warfare, then the fact that one of the 298 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.200 ways that Jesus can help you when you cry out 299 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.279 to him and say Jesus help me, that is that 300 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.119 he might utilize the tools of what he made. He 301 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.680 might flip on that switch and give you the tools 302 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:37.960 to wake yourself up or to get out of the situation. 303 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:42.559 So I think We've got to carve a wider path 304 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:49.039 of understanding in this particular realm because we've got too 305 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:54.160 many Christians where they're being told that they're one, the 306 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.720 one bit of power that they have in this situation, 307 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.440 the one thing that I have to escape this torment. 308 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:04.640 My pastor's now telling me it's evil and wrong and sinful. 309 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.920 So now I got to stay in this dreamscape because 310 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.000 you know, I can't if I'm lucid, something's bad and 311 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:16.400 it's just getting it's just getting too overly complicated, Chris. 312 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:19.559 And unfortunately, the word lucid dreaming is a buzzword. It 313 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:23.440 freaks people out, so and it's too complicated to just 314 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.119 tell everybody if your door's a lateral prefrontal cortex, which 315 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:29.640 is on during ram use it to escape, you know. 316 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.039 So we're stuck with these terms that have a lot 317 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:36.640 of preconceived notions attached to them that freak a lot 318 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:37.279 of people out. 319 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:40.319 I think it's also harmful, like you said, to keep 320 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:44.079 people in certain boxes where it may be extremely beneficial 321 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:49.359 for them and have nothing to do with demonic presences, 322 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:53.480 are dabbling in witchcraft or things like that. It's something natural, 323 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:57.359 it's a natural response that we should be embracing, especially 324 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:01.400 in situations where, like you said, it'd be very beneficial 325 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:04.839 for us to use. And I agree, there's plenty of 326 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.960 misunderstandings and we do need to compare notes on a 327 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:15.200 lot more things, especially with Christians that have this stigma 328 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.079 to them that won't even be touched in most cases 329 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:21.960 because it's considered demonic or evil. You're absolutely right about that. 330 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.240 So how do we connect this to our emerging technology? 331 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:33.279 Yeah, so we now have technology. A lot of it's affordable, 332 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.480 some of it's not for the average person. The Halo 333 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:38.960 Lucid Dreaming headband that I mentioned a few minutes ago, 334 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:43.000 that is still in prototype form, and I think when 335 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:45.000 that hits the market, it's going to probably start out 336 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:48.000 at fifteen hundred and two grand, So the average person's 337 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.559 not going to run out and drop that kind of cash. 338 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:54.200 But there's tons of stuff on Amazon very affordable, these 339 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:57.240 Lucid Dreaming Sleeping masks. Now there's a difference between the 340 00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.240 headband and the masks. I'll get into that in a second, 341 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:02.079 but I have a firm believer and you get what 342 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:04.200 you pay for, and if you buy something on Team 343 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.759 Move for two bucks, it's probably not gonna work real great, 344 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:12.519 So you know, buyer beware. But here's the deal with 345 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:20.720 the Halo headband how it's being marketed is that all 346 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:28.119 it does is it recognizes when your door celateral prefrontal 347 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:31.559 cortex switches on. It can tell by brain patterns and 348 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:36.160 heartbeat and body temperates or et cetera. It knows when 349 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:40.599 you go into a lucid state. Now, most people, we everyone, 350 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:45.160 everyone Chris has lucid moments when they when they dream. 351 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:47.200 It's just a lot of people aren't paying attention and 352 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:48.839 they don't care and they don't do anything with it 353 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.920 or they don't need it. And so several times a night, 354 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.799 if you're getting into the regular r EM sleep patterns, 355 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:58.119 you're probably going to have moments where you go lucid 356 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:00.240 in your dream. You have a moment of like, oh crap, 357 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:02.200 I got that work meeting tomorrow, and then it switches 358 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:06.319 to something else. And so what the Halo headband does 359 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:13.160 is it takes that moment of lucidity that it recognizes 360 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:18.160 and it puts it in a holding pattern, so you 361 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:22.000 are in a lucid state much longer, and then it 362 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.480 gives you the opportunity then to do something in that space, 363 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:29.640 you might not catch it if it's a five second 364 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.599 or a thirty second moment of lucidity. But this headband 365 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.119 allegedly has the ability to prolong those moments of lucidity. 366 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:41.720 So it's not inducing or evoking elucid state for you, 367 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.400 but it will pick up on when you're in one 368 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.839 of those states and it will prolong it for you. Now, 369 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.559 if you're in a prolonged state of lucidity but you 370 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:53.799 don't know what that looks like or feels like it's, 371 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:55.880 the headband is still going to be of no value 372 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.160 to you. Because if you're a thick boundary dreamer where 373 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:00.720 you wake up and you're like, I don't remember my 374 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.839 dreams and I don't care, that doesn't mean anything. It's 375 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:08.240 probably going to be of no value to you anyway. Now, 376 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:13.240 with some of these sleep masks, they are touting that 377 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:18.839 it will actually invoke and induce the lucid state for you, 378 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.000 and so it's promising a little bit more. Now where 379 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.039 this gets controversial, and this is where people really need 380 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.880 to think about this kind of stuff before they just 381 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:30.599 knee jerk and go out and buy it thinking it's 382 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:32.480 a toy, like, hey, it's like VR goggles, it's like 383 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:37.599 a game. What we have to understand is we live 384 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:42.319 in a world where not everything is disclosed and not 385 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:48.279 everything is being forthright. We also live in a society 386 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:56.000 where our data is constantly being hacked, sold put on lists, 387 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.799 and we also live in a society where the technology 388 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:06.680 is decades beyond what the average consumer understands. So when 389 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.880 you put that together again, buy or beware. We're being 390 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:13.640 told that these lucid dreaming tools, these headbands, and these 391 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:18.720 sleep masks and these things, even the apps and things 392 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.839 with the interactive tools, whether it's like a wristband or 393 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:26.160 a ring that's tracking your sleep and all that, we 394 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.799 have to understand that even though they're telling us this 395 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:33.039 is all just one way communication and this is just 396 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:38.960 data for you, if this dream data is being collected 397 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:44.920 and it's they're creating algorithms and they're figuring out how 398 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:51.799 to interpret our dreams or read our dreams, that they're 399 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:57.599 probably collecting more data than you think. They're probably using 400 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:02.359 that dream data in more ways than you think. They 401 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.720