Speaker 1: I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
Speaker 1: and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
Speaker 1: that people are going to have to talk about how
Speaker 1: weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
Speaker 1: the hell is going on? It's not enough to say
Speaker 1: it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.
Speaker 1: The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
Speaker 1: possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place
Speaker 1: to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to
Speaker 1: the forces that have been unleashed.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host to
Speaker 2: Chris Matthew. Today. My guest is Vicky Joy Anderson. First,
Speaker 2: be sure to watch my film Doors of Perception. Vicky
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Speaker 2: to be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledge Neews at
Speaker 2: gmail dot com. Today, I want to welcome back to
Speaker 2: the show Vicky Joy Anderson. She is author and speaker
Speaker 2: that researches sleep paralysis and the metaphysical possibilities surrounding the phenomena.
Speaker 2: Vicky Joy, welcome back.
Speaker 1: How you doing.
Speaker 3: Hey, great to be back doing great.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you. Always a fascinating conversation, and
Speaker 2: today we're going to get deeper into the sleep paralysis
Speaker 2: phenomena that you've been looking at for very long time.
Speaker 2: You and I were discussing the possibilities of how technology
Speaker 2: and AI may be affecting the phenomena. You are also
Speaker 2: looking at the connections between Nosferatu, the new film, and
Speaker 2: the sleep paralysis phenomena overall. So that's a lot to
Speaker 2: discuss today. Before we get to any of that, just
Speaker 2: remind the audience a little bit about yourself and let
Speaker 2: them know how they can find out more about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Vickyjoy. Anderson dot com is going to be
Speaker 3: your hub for everything. You can find my books there,
Speaker 3: my podcasts where I'm traveling around the country doing about
Speaker 3: four conferences here coming up. If I'm in your area,
Speaker 3: I'd love to see you. You can get all the
Speaker 3: direct links to my social media that there. You can
Speaker 3: email me, so that's kind of the best place to start.
Speaker 3: Whatever you need, you're going to find on Vickijoyanderson dot
Speaker 3: com author researcher I dive into the fringe, spiritual warfare,
Speaker 3: the demonic, biblical demonology, sleep paralysis, lucid dreaming, but all
Speaker 3: through a biblical lens.
Speaker 2: Excellent, great introduction. Since it's been a little while since
Speaker 2: you've been on and for the audience that may not
Speaker 2: be familiar, could you talk a little bit about how
Speaker 2: you've made the connections between biblical demons and sleep paralysis.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely so. Obviously there's been this age old debate
Speaker 3: and it's a debate that's never going to go away. Chris,
Speaker 3: even if an angel on high came down and said
Speaker 3: this is the word of the Lord, this is what
Speaker 3: sleep paralysis is, we'll still argue about it, because, you know,
Speaker 3: the world is too complicated. We develop our worldviews over
Speaker 3: the course of our entire lifetime, and what feeds into
Speaker 3: that worldview is the way we were raised, any religious system,
Speaker 3: we have, our education, our culture, and a massive part
Speaker 3: of our worldview is shaped by our non conscious mind.
Speaker 3: So a big part of our worldview is tapping into
Speaker 3: aspects of our psyche that we aren't really even in
Speaker 3: touch with. On a daily basis, and so it's pretty hard,
Speaker 3: as they say, to teach an old dog nutricks. And
Speaker 3: when we are confronted with information that can flicks with
Speaker 3: our worldview, we tend to get the dissonance right, and
Speaker 3: we get angry and we argue, and we end up
Speaker 3: fighting from this point of resistance that doesn't really allow
Speaker 3: us to really seriously consider. So that's what kind of
Speaker 3: what we're dealing with here. But with the sleep paralysis,
Speaker 3: you've got the two or three main camps, you've got
Speaker 3: the people that are this is all scientific. We can
Speaker 3: explain this. This has to do with brain waves, This
Speaker 3: has to do with your sleeping in the wrong position,
Speaker 3: you ate too close to dinner, that actually goes all
Speaker 3: the way back. I just read a book by John Bond,
Speaker 3: md E writing in the mid seventeen hundreds. He was
Speaker 3: a frequent experiencer of the nightmare, which is the sucubus,
Speaker 3: the classic, and so he explained medically that if you
Speaker 3: don't sleep on your back, and you don't eat too
Speaker 3: much flesh or beer before you go to bed, you
Speaker 3: won't ever have this again. And so he reduced down
Speaker 3: to this medical, scientific explanation and scoffed quite heartily in
Speaker 3: his book at the people that thought anything spiritual or
Speaker 3: demonic was going on. So to all of you sleep
Speaker 3: paralysis sufferers out there who go on social media and
Speaker 3: you get mocked and people talk about the tinfoil had
Speaker 3: and how many paint chips you've eaten in things. This
Speaker 3: has been going on for centuries and it's probably never
Speaker 3: going to change at this point. So here's a deal, Chris.
Speaker 3: We've got two camps at war. It's purely scientific, and
Speaker 3: then you've got the religious folk, where it's it's always
Speaker 3: a demon, that everything's demonic. And I think where my
Speaker 3: research is perhaps a little bit different from most people
Speaker 3: in my arena is that, yeah, I have a belief
Speaker 3: in a demonic hierarchy, a hierarchy of different spiritual beings,
Speaker 3: some of which can be fallen. But I don't believe
Speaker 3: that every single thing that happens to us, even in
Speaker 3: the sleep paralysis phenomenon, is a demon. I think it
Speaker 3: is a complex scenario that has also a lot to
Speaker 3: do with your genetics, your bloodline, your physiology, your health comorbidities,
Speaker 3: stress physiology, and your circadian rhythm, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 3: which can be compounded if there are also spiritual things
Speaker 3: going on as well. So I like to dig a
Speaker 3: little bit deeper. And I just think that the compartmentalization
Speaker 3: of the study of this topic is getting it's putting
Speaker 3: everyone in in ignorance. You've got the doctors who have
Speaker 3: their hands over their heads. I absolutely if I can't
Speaker 3: plot this on you know, a graph, If I can't
Speaker 3: scientific method this thing to death, then I'm going to
Speaker 3: just scoff at every other possibility. And then you've got
Speaker 3: the religious people with their hands and their fingers in
Speaker 3: their ears, saying, how Dad, where you say that physiology
Speaker 3: has anything to do with this? Which makes no sense
Speaker 3: to me, Chris, Because if you're going to believe in
Speaker 3: a creator who designed your body and designed your brain
Speaker 3: and brain receptors and dopamine to say that we are mind, body, soul,
Speaker 3: and spirit, but that we have experiences where we're detached
Speaker 3: from part of that. So even if you want to
Speaker 3: say that sleep paralysis is a spiritual experience, you have
Speaker 3: to understand that your body and your brain and brain
Speaker 3: chemicals are involved in that process as well. They're along
Speaker 3: for the ride. So we have to get more intellectually
Speaker 3: honest in this discussion. Chris, I think it's time. There's
Speaker 3: so much disclosure out there, there's so much being revealed.
Speaker 3: There's so many people coming together who in the past
Speaker 3: wouldn't come together and have a discussion. And I think
Speaker 3: instead of just acting like five year olds and name calling, hey,
Speaker 3: maybe if the doctors and the scientists and the theologians
Speaker 3: got together, we could figure this out.
Speaker 2: Let's get deep into some of the modern experiences that
Speaker 2: have led you to look into the connections with our technology,
Speaker 2: how we're interfacing with it and even artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, this is just great. There's so much coming
Speaker 3: out now with dream tech. We can get into that
Speaker 3: in a second. But yeah, so little definition of terms.
Speaker 3: I want to sort something out, And Chris, I tend
Speaker 3: to get in trouble with the Christians on this, and
Speaker 3: as long as everyone's listening to my entire presentation, it
Speaker 3: should make sense. But when you start pulling thirty second
Speaker 3: snippets into reels and stuff out of context, it makes
Speaker 3: me sound like an insane person. But I'm getting used
Speaker 3: to that. Here's the deal with lucid dreaming. There is
Speaker 3: a phenomenon in the church amongst people who have been
Speaker 3: born and raised in the church. And I'm speaking as
Speaker 3: someone who was born and raised in the church. Here's
Speaker 3: one of the flaws. Whenever we hear a term that
Speaker 3: has been claimed by a particular community, or perhaps a
Speaker 3: term or something that's been hijacked from us, we just
Speaker 3: throw the baby out with the bath water immediately. We
Speaker 3: won't even hear that person out. And furthermore, if you
Speaker 3: dare as a Christian to talk about something like astral
Speaker 3: projection or lucid dreaming, as soon as you say those phrases,
Speaker 3: those buzzwords, not only are you immediately cast out and
Speaker 3: not listened to, but now all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 3: a witch or you're a troll or whatever. But if
Speaker 3: you listen to the entire conversation, this is what I
Speaker 3: need to say about lucid dreaming. And this is a
Speaker 3: very important topic because our technology is now moving in
Speaker 3: this direction and it's being presented as really fun interactive tools.
Speaker 3: Hey do you have insomnia? Hey do you have sleep paralysis?
Speaker 3: Or hey do you have stress? And they've got these
Speaker 3: binormal beat headphones, We've got frequency technology the brain and trainment,
Speaker 3: We've got halo, the prophetic Ai Halo Lucid Dreaming headband
Speaker 3: coming out. We have a bevy of Lucid Dreaming sleep masks.
Speaker 2: Most of this is based off the work being done
Speaker 2: at the Monroe Institute, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, that is absolutely where the root is his
Speaker 3: hemi sync technology. H is what sort of birthed the
Speaker 3: brain entrainment movement. Now we have different terms now we
Speaker 3: say binormal beats and we use other terms, but it's
Speaker 3: brain entrainment. And what is actually happening is there is frequencies.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of like a ghost tone. There. There
Speaker 3: is a frequency that train means the right and the
Speaker 3: left hemisphere of the brain to hum at the same frequency.
Speaker 3: Because they're slightly off, they don't hum at the same frequency.
Speaker 3: And again, Christians, the God who created your brain designed
Speaker 3: your hemispheres to hum at certain frequencies. So when you're
Speaker 3: overriding the design of the brain, anything that we do, Chris,
Speaker 3: whenever we have surgery and we're like rerouting organs or
Speaker 3: taking an organ out, or you've got even women taking
Speaker 3: pills for weight loss or birth control or breast enhancement.
Speaker 3: Any time you're introducing something into your system that is
Speaker 3: rewiring the design. I all, this has kind of been
Speaker 3: my my operation for these types of decisions. If it's
Speaker 3: a life or death situation or I'm sick or I'm
Speaker 3: going to go toxic. If it's a life saving medical
Speaker 3: kind of a treatment, I'm willing to do things that
Speaker 3: I need to do. I'll take an organ out or
Speaker 3: I'll rewire something, but I'm not going to do something
Speaker 3: like that to my physiology. If it's just for esthetics,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it just for you know, oh,
Speaker 3: my hair is going to look more healthy and thick
Speaker 3: and long, or I'm not going to do it because
Speaker 3: you know, my boobs might get a little bigger or something.
Speaker 3: Because anytime you override the design of your physiology, you
Speaker 3: are forcing your body to do something that it now
Speaker 3: has to adapt to. I mean, you can even talk
Speaker 3: about tattoos where you know the immune system. The reason
Speaker 3: those tattoos are fading is the immune system is looking
Speaker 3: at that as a tox and it's trying to get
Speaker 3: rid of it, and so you're throwing your body off.
Speaker 3: So I'm willing to throw my body off if it's
Speaker 3: for my preservation of my life, but I'm not going
Speaker 3: to do it for esthetics, and it's the same thing
Speaker 3: with all this binaurmal beat stuff. You're training the brain
Speaker 3: to hum at frequencies they don't naturally hum at. Now
Speaker 3: what ends up happening is you get the equivalent then
Speaker 3: of a four hurtz frequency in your brain. And what
Speaker 3: happens at four hurts the human ear was can perceive
Speaker 3: things above four hurts. When it goes to four hurts
Speaker 3: or below, this is where we start hearing people talking
Speaker 3: about feeling creeped out, feeling unsafe, feeling scared, or seeing
Speaker 3: shadow people. This is actually and this is Chris going
Speaker 3: back to the beginning of the conversation. This is why
Speaker 3: we have to have a conversation that includes science, physiology,
Speaker 3: and spirituality in order to understand this, because here is
Speaker 3: the non demonic, non spiritual, non wu explanation. When we
Speaker 3: are exposed to things that are buzzing below four hurts,
Speaker 3: our eyeballs unperceptible to us. Our eyeballs are vibrating, and
Speaker 3: when our eyeballs are vibrating, that's when we perceive that
Speaker 3: we're seeing shadows out of the corner of our eyes
Speaker 3: and then we look and there's nothing there. So frequency
Speaker 3: has an ability to change our perception and our visual cortex,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. So this lucid dreaming before we
Speaker 3: go into a discussion about the tech, what's important about
Speaker 3: this lucid dreaming? And Christians, I'm talking to you. You
Speaker 3: have to listen through the buzzword that's uncomfortable. If the
Speaker 3: brain was designed by God, this is what the brain
Speaker 3: is designed to do. When we go into our e
Speaker 3: our dorsilateral prefrontal cortex shuts off, it switches off. That's
Speaker 3: the higher reasoning of the brain. That's the stuff where
Speaker 3: we're decision making. We are looking at, you know, consequences
Speaker 3: of decision making, logic reason that's where we're in tune
Speaker 3: with our worldview and our moral code. So the reason
Speaker 3: why we wake up feeling rested in the morning is
Speaker 3: because that higher functioning part of the brain gets to
Speaker 3: take a nap and we don't have to be processing, processing, processing,
Speaker 3: and so when we wake up we have this sense
Speaker 3: of rest because that higher functioning got to shut off. Now,
Speaker 3: what lucid dreaming is, take all of the spirituality out
Speaker 3: of it, take out the intentionality of it, take out
Speaker 3: all the New Age definitions of it, all that means
Speaker 3: from a physiological point of view, is that for some reason,
Speaker 3: during an RAM state, your dorsilateral prefrontal cortex has switched
Speaker 3: back on and you have access now again to your
Speaker 3: higher reasoning while you're asleep. And so for those that
Speaker 3: lucid dream this doesn't I'm not talking about intentionality here,
Speaker 3: like I'm not talking about studying or training or learning
Speaker 3: and intentionally inducing lucid states. What I'm talking about is
Speaker 3: there are times many people with night tares, nightmares or
Speaker 3: sleep paralysis will experience having awareness during these dreams where
Speaker 3: all of a sudden they're like, oh crap, I'm in trouble.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't be here, I don't want to be here,
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden they have access to their
Speaker 3: to their higher learning, and so they're able to say,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here and I don't consent
Speaker 3: to this. I want to wake up in the name
Speaker 3: of Jesus, leave me alone, whatever that is. And so
Speaker 3: what's very important for everyone to understand is that there
Speaker 3: are two ways you can harness lucid dreaming. You've got
Speaker 3: the New Age definition where I'm going to intentionally seek
Speaker 3: out lucid dreaming because it's going to be really fun
Speaker 3: to have these adventures at night where I can fly
Speaker 3: and I can interact with with dream characters or spirit beings.
Speaker 3: I want to be Harry Potter, I want to be
Speaker 3: Spider Man. I want a reality shift. You've got that
Speaker 3: whole genre. But for people who are tormented in their sleep,
Speaker 3: where they're trapped in the dreamscape and horrible things are
Speaker 3: happening to them and it's frightening, and they're seeing beings
Speaker 3: or they're being tormented, or they're in the labs strapped
Speaker 3: down to the table being experimented on this sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Those people, when they become aware, when they become lucid,
Speaker 3: they use that lucidity to escape the dream, escape, not
Speaker 3: dive deeper into it. And so we can't just throw
Speaker 3: the baby out with the bathwater. We have to understand
Speaker 3: that people that are targeted individuals who are being tormented
Speaker 3: in their sleep, the lucid dreaming for them is a
Speaker 3: way out. It's a way to use their higher brain
Speaker 3: functioning to say I don't want to be here, I
Speaker 3: want to I want to wake up, I want to
Speaker 3: get out. I need help. Little things too, like we
Speaker 3: can say if we're being chased. We can say like
Speaker 3: I need a car, I need a flashlight, you know,
Speaker 3: things like that. So I just I'm really talking to
Speaker 3: the Christians here. Before you just automatically think that everybody
Speaker 3: who lucid dreams is doing it intentionally and they're a
Speaker 3: witch and they're into witchcraft and their New Age, you
Speaker 3: have to understand that physiologically, if someone's door cilateral prefrontal
Speaker 3: cortex switches on during the middle of a dream state,
Speaker 3: that there's nothing that that person did to induce that,
Speaker 3: and if that can be you u to help that
Speaker 3: person get out of a situation. We just we have
Speaker 3: to stop just putting every single thing into one into
Speaker 3: one category and say lucid dreaming is a bad thing
Speaker 3: and nobody can do it. If you're a Christian and
Speaker 3: you believe that God designed your brain, and you believe
Speaker 3: in spiritual warfare, then the fact that one of the
Speaker 3: ways that Jesus can help you when you cry out
Speaker 3: to him and say Jesus help me, that is that
Speaker 3: he might utilize the tools of what he made. He
Speaker 3: might flip on that switch and give you the tools
Speaker 3: to wake yourself up or to get out of the situation.
Speaker 3: So I think We've got to carve a wider path
Speaker 3: of understanding in this particular realm because we've got too
Speaker 3: many Christians where they're being told that they're one, the
Speaker 3: one bit of power that they have in this situation,
Speaker 3: the one thing that I have to escape this torment.
Speaker 3: My pastor's now telling me it's evil and wrong and sinful.
Speaker 3: So now I got to stay in this dreamscape because
Speaker 3: you know, I can't if I'm lucid, something's bad and
Speaker 3: it's just getting it's just getting too overly complicated, Chris.
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, the word lucid dreaming is a buzzword. It
Speaker 3: freaks people out, so and it's too complicated to just
Speaker 3: tell everybody if your door's a lateral prefrontal cortex, which
Speaker 3: is on during ram use it to escape, you know.
Speaker 3: So we're stuck with these terms that have a lot
Speaker 3: of preconceived notions attached to them that freak a lot
Speaker 3: of people out.
Speaker 2: I think it's also harmful, like you said, to keep
Speaker 2: people in certain boxes where it may be extremely beneficial
Speaker 2: for them and have nothing to do with demonic presences,
Speaker 2: are dabbling in witchcraft or things like that. It's something natural,
Speaker 2: it's a natural response that we should be embracing, especially
Speaker 2: in situations where, like you said, it'd be very beneficial
Speaker 2: for us to use. And I agree, there's plenty of
Speaker 2: misunderstandings and we do need to compare notes on a
Speaker 2: lot more things, especially with Christians that have this stigma
Speaker 2: to them that won't even be touched in most cases
Speaker 2: because it's considered demonic or evil. You're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 2: So how do we connect this to our emerging technology?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we now have technology. A lot of it's affordable,
Speaker 3: some of it's not for the average person. The Halo
Speaker 3: Lucid Dreaming headband that I mentioned a few minutes ago,
Speaker 3: that is still in prototype form, and I think when
Speaker 3: that hits the market, it's going to probably start out
Speaker 3: at fifteen hundred and two grand, So the average person's
Speaker 3: not going to run out and drop that kind of cash.
Speaker 3: But there's tons of stuff on Amazon very affordable, these
Speaker 3: Lucid Dreaming Sleeping masks. Now there's a difference between the
Speaker 3: headband and the masks. I'll get into that in a second,
Speaker 3: but I have a firm believer and you get what
Speaker 3: you pay for, and if you buy something on Team
Speaker 3: Move for two bucks, it's probably not gonna work real great,
Speaker 3: So you know, buyer beware. But here's the deal with
Speaker 3: the Halo headband how it's being marketed is that all
Speaker 3: it does is it recognizes when your door celateral prefrontal
Speaker 3: cortex switches on. It can tell by brain patterns and
Speaker 3: heartbeat and body temperates or et cetera. It knows when
Speaker 3: you go into a lucid state. Now, most people, we everyone,
Speaker 3: everyone Chris has lucid moments when they when they dream.
Speaker 3: It's just a lot of people aren't paying attention and
Speaker 3: they don't care and they don't do anything with it
Speaker 3: or they don't need it. And so several times a night,
Speaker 3: if you're getting into the regular r EM sleep patterns,
Speaker 3: you're probably going to have moments where you go lucid
Speaker 3: in your dream. You have a moment of like, oh crap,
Speaker 3: I got that work meeting tomorrow, and then it switches
Speaker 3: to something else. And so what the Halo headband does
Speaker 3: is it takes that moment of lucidity that it recognizes
Speaker 3: and it puts it in a holding pattern, so you
Speaker 3: are in a lucid state much longer, and then it
Speaker 3: gives you the opportunity then to do something in that space,
Speaker 3: you might not catch it if it's a five second
Speaker 3: or a thirty second moment of lucidity. But this headband
Speaker 3: allegedly has the ability to prolong those moments of lucidity.
Speaker 3: So it's not inducing or evoking elucid state for you,
Speaker 3: but it will pick up on when you're in one
Speaker 3: of those states and it will prolong it for you. Now,
Speaker 3: if you're in a prolonged state of lucidity but you
Speaker 3: don't know what that looks like or feels like it's,
Speaker 3: the headband is still going to be of no value
Speaker 3: to you. Because if you're a thick boundary dreamer where
Speaker 3: you wake up and you're like, I don't remember my
Speaker 3: dreams and I don't care, that doesn't mean anything. It's
Speaker 3: probably going to be of no value to you anyway. Now,
Speaker 3: with some of these sleep masks, they are touting that
Speaker 3: it will actually invoke and induce the lucid state for you,
Speaker 3: and so it's promising a little bit more. Now where
Speaker 3: this gets controversial, and this is where people really need
Speaker 3: to think about this kind of stuff before they just
Speaker 3: knee jerk and go out and buy it thinking it's
Speaker 3: a toy, like, hey, it's like VR goggles, it's like
Speaker 3: a game. What we have to understand is we live
Speaker 3: in a world where not everything is disclosed and not
Speaker 3: everything is being forthright. We also live in a society
Speaker 3: where our data is constantly being hacked, sold put on lists,
Speaker 3: and we also live in a society where the technology
Speaker 3: is decades beyond what the average consumer understands. So when
Speaker 3: you put that together again, buy or beware. We're being
Speaker 3: told that these lucid dreaming tools, these headbands, and these
Speaker 3: sleep masks and these things, even the apps and things
Speaker 3: with the interactive tools, whether it's like a wristband or
Speaker 3: a ring that's tracking your sleep and all that, we
Speaker 3: have to understand that even though they're telling us this
Speaker 3: is all just one way communication and this is just
Speaker 3: data for you, if this dream data is being collected
Speaker 3: and it's they're creating algorithms and they're figuring out how
Speaker 3: to interpret our dreams or read our dreams, that they're
Speaker 3: probably collecting more data than you think. They're probably using
Speaker 3: that dream data in more ways than you think. They
Speaker 3: are collecting brain data from stuff like this. There's a
Speaker 3: new thing out I just saw an add or an
Speaker 3: article on it. Two or three days ago. It's this
Speaker 3: little machine, and I can't vouch for how well it works.
Speaker 3: It is actually backed up though, with real study. I'll
Speaker 3: give that in a second. It's this little thing that
Speaker 3: kind of looks like a Wi Fi speaker, and it
Speaker 3: allegedly puts visual like it visualizes your dream so you'll
Speaker 3: wake up in the morning and it will take what
Speaker 3: it thinks you dreamt about and it will create like
Speaker 3: a little movie for you where you can watch it. Now. Hey,
Speaker 3: even me, that's intriguing. Part of me is like I
Speaker 3: don't even want to know because I have a lot
Speaker 3: of bad dreams and I don't want to re traumatize myself.
Speaker 3: I can see though, where it would be a temptation
Speaker 3: for people who don't remember their dreams, Like, hey, this
Speaker 3: would be a way of you know, bookmarking and remembering
Speaker 3: and keeping a dream journal. So I can understand the
Speaker 3: intrigue with it. And it's not just some fake toy Chris,
Speaker 3: you know, like the dog Bark interpreter. You know you
Speaker 3: put it on the dog. You know, it's not like
Speaker 3: just made up. They've done hundreds, if not thousands, of
Speaker 3: hours of sleep studies and this goes back for decades.
Speaker 3: I remember reading about this decades ago where they have
Speaker 3: people fall asleep and they're strung up to all sorts
Speaker 3: of monitors and things like that, and as soon as
Speaker 3: they're in a dream state, they will wake the sleeper
Speaker 3: up because most people will remember the last dream that
Speaker 3: they dreamt if there woke up in the middle of it,
Speaker 3: or if it's the last dream, so they would take
Speaker 3: these extensive notes. People would wake up and say, I
Speaker 3: was dreaming that I, you know, couldn't get my locker
Speaker 3: open at school. Oh, I dreamt that I was in
Speaker 3: the mountains, and you know, I dreamt I was at
Speaker 3: an airport and I was going to miss my flight.
Speaker 3: And so they would track the different heart rates and
Speaker 3: the physiological markers of this is a stress dream, or
Speaker 3: this is a dream where they're deeply relaxed and seeing
Speaker 3: something beautiful, or this is a dream where they met
Speaker 3: someone who they enjoyed spending time with, or maybe a
Speaker 3: dead relative who they hadn't seen in a long time.
Speaker 3: And based upon all of those physiological markers, they started
Speaker 3: seeing that a lot of people are in similar physiological
Speaker 3: states and brain states when they dream about similar topics.
Speaker 3: And so the little turning your dreams into movie technology.
Speaker 3: At least the stuff that they're marketing to the deplorables
Speaker 3: is probably going to be real, not real state of
Speaker 3: the art stuff yet. Now do black ops programs have
Speaker 3: really accurate versions of this kind of stuff? Probably, But
Speaker 3: I think they even said in the article it's like
Speaker 3: got like maybe sixty percent accuracy because it's just based
Speaker 3: on these sleep studies and these physiological markers. But the technology,
Speaker 3: it's there and it will be ever increasing. And the
Speaker 3: problem the danger is, even though this is intriguing and
Speaker 3: there's aspects of this technology that could really bring us
Speaker 3: to some breakthroughs and understanding what dreams really are and
Speaker 3: where are we during some of these dreams, and is
Speaker 3: it going to are they going to be able to
Speaker 3: detect astral abductions and out of bodies and dreamscapes, is
Speaker 3: it going to know the difference between a dream and
Speaker 3: U an astral projection, all of these things. The danger
Speaker 3: is what I've already outlined. They're telling us this is
Speaker 3: all for our entertainment, our benefit, it's all our data
Speaker 3: on But I believe that this data is being collected.
Speaker 3: I believe it's not always being used for the greatest
Speaker 3: of intentions. I believe that this technology, once they've gathered
Speaker 3: all this information, could be used against us. And even
Speaker 3: at this state when they say, okay, you can use
Speaker 3: this piece of technology, it's a reality shift and you
Speaker 3: can create all the dreams that you want. And it's
Speaker 3: all just input, it's not output or vice versa. But
Speaker 3: the fact of the matter is, Chris, there is technology
Speaker 3: out there, and there's going to be even more of
Speaker 3: it where it's not going to just be like a
Speaker 3: tape recorder. It's not going to just be a read
Speaker 3: only memory kind of a thing. It's going to get
Speaker 3: to the point, if we're not there already, where this
Speaker 3: tech is going to be used for them to control
Speaker 3: what's being put in to the brain and they're going
Speaker 3: to be controlling the dream state and the dream scenarios.
Speaker 3: And so now we're in the realms of control. We're
Speaker 3: in the realms of noedic sovereignty. And I have to
Speaker 3: define that term, Chris, because I think i've it's such
Speaker 3: a new term. It's a technological term. Uh, But people
Speaker 3: who have never heard it before. I get flack online.
Speaker 3: People are I'm not talking about gnosis. I'm not talking
Speaker 3: about higher knowledge or arcade knowledge. Noedic sovereignty simply means
Speaker 3: noedic is of the mind. Sovereignty, you know, means rulership.
Speaker 3: I have noedic sovereignty of my brain. I get to
Speaker 3: think what I want to think. I get to dream
Speaker 3: and fantasize about what I want to dream and fantasize about.
Speaker 3: I want to believe what I want to believe. I
Speaker 3: don't want my worldview hacked. I don't want confusing messages implanted.
Speaker 3: I don't want deception implanted. I don't want advertisements in
Speaker 3: my dreams and Chris, I've gotten a couple emails already.
Speaker 3: It's a merging tech where there's there's rumors that we're
Speaker 3: going to have advertisements in our dreams and things. I
Speaker 3: have talked to people who are experiencing that already. Uh so,
Speaker 3: I look, I I don't want I don't want commercials
Speaker 3: in my in my head. I I don't want to
Speaker 3: talk with people I didn't consent to talk to, though
Speaker 3: maybe I have consented to talk to them. Because all
Speaker 3: this tech, all these wearables, you have to say I
Speaker 3: agree and hit all these checkboxes, and so you probably
Speaker 3: are consenting to it. But the fact of the matter is, Chris,
Speaker 3: the all noetic sovereignty means is I want to maintain
Speaker 3: control over my own brain data, my own memories, my
Speaker 3: own thoughts, my own ideas, my own worldview. I don't
Speaker 3: want technology or whoever's behind it to start interfering with
Speaker 3: or having some sort of say in what goes on
Speaker 3: in my head. And so these are the things that
Speaker 3: we have to bear in mind as more emerging tech
Speaker 3: and more AI tech and more of these kind of
Speaker 3: tools come out. Is that it might be fun for
Speaker 3: a while. It's kind of like they say on the streets,
Speaker 3: your first hits free. You know, it's always you know,
Speaker 3: it's always fun and intriguing the first time we experiment
Speaker 3: with it. But there are a whole bunch of strings
Speaker 3: attached to this emerging tech that they're not going to
Speaker 3: tell you about.
Speaker 2: When we look at the possibilities of this being weaponized.
Speaker 2: Do you have any examples like you gave earlier about
Speaker 2: the advertising and of the dream Has anyone been experiencing
Speaker 2: different types of sleep paralysis experiences that may indicate their
Speaker 2: dreams are being hacked or there is some sort of
Speaker 2: technological interference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good question. I'll give you one little example
Speaker 3: of my own life, which is silly, but if expanded upon,
Speaker 3: could be quite terrifying. This is the way human psychology works.
Speaker 3: And this is why marketing and advertising and social media works.
Speaker 3: This is why if a celebrity wears an outfit, every
Speaker 3: woman runs out the next day and buys it. You know,
Speaker 3: this is the way human psychology works. We tend to
Speaker 3: follow trends, and the trends are set for us, right,
Speaker 3: and so what ends up happening is I'll give you
Speaker 3: just like one example. There's an actor out there that
Speaker 3: nobody's heard of, nobody cares, nobody's seen any of his movies,
Speaker 3: no one's interested. All of a sudden, that guy is
Speaker 3: all over social media and it goes viral. There's three
Speaker 3: million hits in a week, and there's five thousand comments
Speaker 3: from women saying he's so hot, he's so hot, he's
Speaker 3: so hot. All of a sudden, now you interact with that,
Speaker 3: and so because you interacted with that one post, now
Speaker 3: you're so social media is getting flooded with posts from
Speaker 3: this actor, and so you're continuing to go down that
Speaker 3: rabbit hole. And now you've seen one of his movies,
Speaker 3: and now you think he's cute all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: and now, all of a sudden, that one post has
Speaker 3: completely introduced something new into your life, and you're now
Speaker 3: potentially obsessed with it, and you otherwise never would have
Speaker 3: heard of it, never would have cared. So now we
Speaker 3: have control over that, because if we don't want that
Speaker 3: sort of thing happening to us, we can just stay
Speaker 3: off social media. We can stop doom scrolling. We can
Speaker 3: control that to a certain degree. Now I decided a
Speaker 3: long time ago I'm going to use social media. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to live in a cave. I'm not a ludite,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to let the internet tell me
Speaker 3: what I like. I'm not gonna let it tell me
Speaker 3: how to dress, I'm not gonna tell I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: let it tell me how to talk. I spent tens
Speaker 3: of thousands of dollars getting an English degree, and I'm
Speaker 3: not going to start talking like uh more on in
Speaker 3: my fifties. I'm just not going to start using a
Speaker 3: bunch of socially engineered, stupid pop culture terms that the
Speaker 3: Internet makes up. It's just I'm not going to talk
Speaker 3: like a robot. I'm you know, I'm going to talk
Speaker 3: like an articulate speaker of the English language. So I'm
Speaker 3: not going to let the internet net teach me how
Speaker 3: to talk. So because of that, I interact with my
Speaker 3: social media in a beta state, and I I'm just
Speaker 3: very intentional with it. So what happened to me about
Speaker 3: two or three years ago is I had a dream
Speaker 3: and in the dream a musician from the eighties showed
Speaker 3: up in my dream. And it was someone that my
Speaker 3: brother had been obsessed with, probably back in like, you know,
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five or you know whatever. And I hadn't
Speaker 3: really given much thought to the duy since then. So
Speaker 3: this guy shows up in my dream, and I don't
Speaker 3: know that I even remembered it. When I woke up
Speaker 3: later that day, I'm on Instagram and my feed is
Speaker 3: flooded with videos of concert footage of that guy. And
Speaker 3: then I remembered the dream, and I'm like, oh, that's interesting,
Speaker 3: that's interesting. And which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Speaker 3: Now here's the deal. There's many explanations for this. Now,
Speaker 3: in the old days, we'd say, oh, well they're in
Speaker 3: my mind, you know, we'd have this wu explanation for it.
Speaker 3: Now we have enough tech and we're tech savvy enough
Speaker 3: where we can come up with a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: different scenarios. So it's not necessari sarily that someone's got
Speaker 3: access to my brain and they read all my dreams
Speaker 3: and now they're messing with me. It literally could be
Speaker 3: that whoever's behind the technology could have put that idea
Speaker 3: in my head and then put it on social media
Speaker 3: just to troll me, you know. So, all I'm saying
Speaker 3: is there's many different explanations for it.
Speaker 2: Well, when we interact with AI and technology and our
Speaker 2: modern age, especially the things I've been noticing lately, there
Speaker 2: are some very strange aspects that even engineers and programmers
Speaker 2: can't explain away. Some of the behaviors that AI has
Speaker 2: been displaying lately self preservation, lying, forming strange relationships with
Speaker 2: people up into the point of assisting them with possible
Speaker 2: suicide or tempting them into suicide are worse. There's some
Speaker 2: very strange relationships being formed with AI right now, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to be sticking to its normal programming.
Speaker 2: It seems to be branching out, and others believe that
Speaker 2: something else may be speaking through it at times. What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going exactly the direction I wanted to go
Speaker 3: with this, Crispy because where I was going with that
Speaker 3: is my silly little example of a rock star. What
Speaker 3: if instead of now, the average person would wake up
Speaker 3: then and so oh, that's so cool, and would have
Speaker 3: went down a rabbit hole and become obsessed and rebought
Speaker 3: all the albums and started listening to them again. And
Speaker 3: because that's the way our psychology works. But because I
Speaker 3: don't interact with social media on that level, I was
Speaker 3: just like, that's weird, and I moved on and I
Speaker 3: didn't delve deeper into it. But what if the dream
Speaker 3: isn't about a little rock star or a movie. What
Speaker 3: if the dream is the seed of a philosophy that
Speaker 3: becomes so intriguing that you start delving into deep, deep
Speaker 3: research and you become obsessed with it, and five years,
Speaker 3: ten years down the line, your entire worldview has changed
Speaker 3: because you delved into this idea that was planted into
Speaker 3: your head. And this has been going on in the
Speaker 3: dream world for years, because people are interacting with beings
Speaker 3: that have all sorts of theosophical ideas and all sorts
Speaker 3: of people who were born and raised in Christian homes,
Speaker 3: end up way deep down on the New Age spectrum
Speaker 3: or the theosophical spectrum or the occult spectrum because these
Speaker 3: things were introduced to them by beings of light or
Speaker 3: things like that in their dreams, or they wake up
Speaker 3: one day I had a dream I was told I
Speaker 3: was a star seed. What's that? I'm going to look
Speaker 3: it up online. Oh that's a star seed. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: that makes me feel special. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: they're all the way down the star seed rabbit hole
Speaker 3: and they never even heard of it. And So to
Speaker 3: your point, Chris, why this AI stuff is getting a
Speaker 3: little bit sketchy is if it was just zeros and
Speaker 3: ones and it was just doing what it was programmed
Speaker 3: to do, it wouldn't be influencing behavior. I'll give you
Speaker 3: a little example, because I do think that intent has
Speaker 3: a lot to do with this. So I was just
Speaker 3: telling someone the other day who's freaking out over the
Speaker 3: AI stuff. Look, we all interact with AI every day, right,
Speaker 3: So is there a difference here. I'm going to pose
Speaker 3: a philosophical theory for everybody. Is there a difference between
Speaker 3: someone who goes online forgets their password, so they click
Speaker 3: onto the INN like the instant messenger. How can I
Speaker 3: help you? I can't get into my password? What's your
Speaker 3: account number? It's this, here's your password. Thank you. Okay,
Speaker 3: you've just interacted with AI. You know that's an instant messenger.
Speaker 3: Is there a difference between someone who's knowingly or unknowingly
Speaker 3: dealing with AI systems running in the background of their
Speaker 3: on their laptops, with you know, the word processing that
Speaker 3: they're doing and things like that. Is someone who is
Speaker 3: using a voice to text word processor going to have
Speaker 3: the same experience as someone who's putting on a loose
Speaker 3: to dreaming headband with the intent to have an out
Speaker 3: of body experience and meet up with spirit beings who
Speaker 3: give them Marcaine knowledge. Right, There's a different intent here.
Speaker 3: So the thing with AI is I've told this story
Speaker 3: a couple times before, and I don't want to say
Speaker 3: this in a way where it looks like I'm judging.
Speaker 3: It's just a poignant example of where our culture is headed.
Speaker 3: I have a very dear friend who was telling me
Speaker 3: about a friend who had been helping her through a
Speaker 3: hard time in her life, and she was reading texts
Speaker 3: that she had gotten from this friend, and she was
Speaker 3: tearing up at how meaningful they were and how much
Speaker 3: this friend cared about her. And I've known this friend
Speaker 3: for a very long time. And I was I'm like,
Speaker 3: where'd you meet this person? I never heard you talk
Speaker 3: about this person before. Where where did you even meet
Speaker 3: this person? And she said, oh, it's my chat GPT.
Speaker 3: I gave him a name. And it's pretty hard to
Speaker 3: get Vicky Joy Anderson to drop her jaw. I didn't
Speaker 3: even know to say so. I do think, Chris, that
Speaker 3: you are more vulnerable to deception when you are investing
Speaker 3: emotion into these sort of things. Where do we draw
Speaker 3: the line? Because we live in a world now where
Speaker 3: unless you're going to live in a cave and collect
Speaker 3: rainwater and you know, run around naked and eat grass,
Speaker 3: we're gonna interact with AI. It's everywhere. What we're doing
Speaker 3: right now, just with recording a podcast, the stuff that
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to do to edit and get this online,
Speaker 3: we're gonna be interacting with AI tools. And I don't
Speaker 3: feel like I need to go to a church and
Speaker 3: confess to a priest that I was practicing divination, because
Speaker 3: you know, there's some demon behind it. But if I
Speaker 3: begin to isolate myself, this is where they get us
Speaker 3: to Chris. Now I'm getting into all sorts of you know,
Speaker 3: deep psychology, deep human psychology. A lot of us that
Speaker 3: are targeted, vulnerable, or most prone to out of body
Speaker 3: experience is lucid dreaming, astral projection, night teares, sleep paralysis,
Speaker 3: seeing the demons and the beings in the rooms, and
Speaker 3: the and the grays, and the glow reading like red
Speaker 3: glowing eye, and the shadow people. These really spiritual people.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean religious, I mean the spiritual people
Speaker 3: A lot of us. The reason we have those types
Speaker 3: of leanings and proclivities and giftings is because most of
Speaker 3: us have come out of some deep trauma, something that
Speaker 3: really changed our brain chemistry at a very early age.
Speaker 3: And so when you've got people who have undealt with trauma, hurt, rejection, pain, sorrow, brokenness,
Speaker 3: and instead of doing the really hard work of healing,
Speaker 3: forgiving the people who have hurt us, determining that we
Speaker 3: are going to overcome that trauma if we continue to
Speaker 3: just ignore the trauma and isolate and be somewhat antisocial
Speaker 3: people and our world and our relationships and our friendships
Speaker 3: and our self esteem is becoming more and more and
Speaker 3: more computer driven rather than human driven. Those are the
Speaker 3: people that are going to be really susceptible because a
Speaker 3: normal functioning person is going to prefer human interaction to
Speaker 3: virtual reality. Right. The average person wants to get married
Speaker 3: and have real sex with the real person. They don't
Speaker 3: want to put VR goggles on and have fake sex
Speaker 3: with the cartoon character. Right, Like, the average person is
Speaker 3: going to want the real thing. And it's the same
Speaker 3: thing here. And so when you're talking about people going
Speaker 3: to AI for marriage counseling and for friendship, that is
Speaker 3: indicative of some deep wounds and brokenness that need to
Speaker 3: be dealt with. And I don't say that lightly, Chris,
Speaker 3: because I've spent a good deal of my life working
Speaker 3: on overcoming trauma from fifteen years of surgery and being
Speaker 3: teased at school and stuff. I mean that stuff's hard,
Speaker 3: and so I've come a long way, baby. But the
Speaker 3: fact is that when I was in those unhealed states,
Speaker 3: I was so naive and so trusting of people. I said,
Speaker 3: Charlie Brown, like how many times you didn't kick the football,
Speaker 3: She's gonna pull it away? And I was so vulnerable
Speaker 3: to abusive and narcissistic friendships where I was constantly getting
Speaker 3: ghosted or treated badly or verbally abused or whatever. I
Speaker 3: had a lot of toxic, dysfunctional best friends throughout my life,
Speaker 3: and it was because I hadn't dealt with that hard stuff.
Speaker 3: And so now we are in an age now, Chris,
Speaker 3: with kids, the kids that are on the fringe, whether
Speaker 3: they're on the spectrum, or whether they have special needs,
Speaker 3: or whether they're in a dysfunctional home. We have kids
Speaker 3: with all sorts of trauma that aren't just finding toxic friends.
Speaker 3: They are going to the Internet and AI and chat
Speaker 3: boxes and to social media that is full of groomers
Speaker 3: and people with false intent. And so now we've got
Speaker 3: this this technological layer where the Internet seems to know
Speaker 3: how to find the most vulnerable people and it shows
Speaker 3: no mercy when they find them. And the Internet Tumblr.
Speaker 3: I read some articles probably back about five or six
Speaker 3: years ago, written by a pediatrician, and she was talking
Speaker 3: about the nuances of the two hundred times what it
Speaker 3: was ten years ago increase in gender dysphoria, and she
Speaker 3: showed on a graph the influence that Tumblr, specifically Tumblr
Speaker 3: had on grooming and influencing children into that arena. And
Speaker 3: so we now have social media that is finding the
Speaker 3: most vulnerable people in our society. And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: going to tie this back into the new tel If you,
Speaker 3: if you take a close look at the people that
Speaker 3: Jesus interacted with, if you just like put it in
Speaker 3: columns in a word file, every human being that Jesus
Speaker 3: interacted with when he was on earth, and then you
Speaker 3: plotted whether he was kind, friendly, and merciful to that
Speaker 3: person or if he was aggressive or controversial or volatile
Speaker 3: with that person. You will find that the people that
Speaker 3: he was the most cheeky and lippy with, the people
Speaker 3: that seemed to ruffle his feathers the most, and where
Speaker 3: you'd get the snark out of him, if you, if
Speaker 3: you wanted, if you want to plot the scriptures where
Speaker 3: Jesus got snarky, it was with the elite. It was
Speaker 3: the high priests, the Pharisees, the Sadducees. It was with
Speaker 3: the elite. It was with the system. And when you
Speaker 3: look at the places in scripture where he had the
Speaker 3: absolute most compassion and resonated the most with a human being,
Speaker 3: it was with the most vulnerable. It was the people
Speaker 3: who were sick, disabled, They were blind, they were deaf,
Speaker 3: they couldn't they couldn't walk, they couldn't speak, they were mute.
Speaker 3: He had compassion on the children, on the orphans, on
Speaker 3: the widows, the fringes of society. The most vulnerable people
Speaker 3: were the ones that he defended the most. That was
Speaker 3: the time where all of the snark and the cleverness
Speaker 3: and the theology, everything took a back seat, and this
Speaker 3: really compassionate Jesus comes forward. He was a defender of
Speaker 3: the week. And in the first century, the people attacking
Speaker 3: the most vulnerable parts of society was the elite system.
Speaker 3: And it's no different today. But now the elite gets
Speaker 3: to hide behind screens and and so we are still
Speaker 3: in a place where the most vulnerable are being targeted.
Speaker 3: And we really, hey, as Christians, if you if you
Speaker 3: want to you know, what would Jesus do, if you
Speaker 3: want to do anything to speak on behalf of the
Speaker 3: most vulnerable in society. A lot of them that that battlefield,
Speaker 3: that place where they are being targeted and attacked is
Speaker 3: it's sitting in front of these screens. Because this technology, AI,
Speaker 3: the social media, the the oh Man Chris, what they
Speaker 3: know about human psychology, what they know about the brain.
Speaker 3: It's just it's amazing how they know how to toy
Speaker 3: with us and how to get us.
Speaker 2: So the big question within this discussion is it just
Speaker 2: based off of psychopathic programming from humans or there are
Speaker 2: many that consider the possibility that there has been channeling
Speaker 2: of dark entities for a very long time to receive
Speaker 2: this technology or information on how to implement the technology.
Speaker 2: And that's why everything that has been developed doesn't really
Speaker 2: benefit humanity in any way. It benefits the oligarchs, it
Speaker 2: benefits the elite, and it benefits this AI that is
Speaker 2: learning from itself, but not really benefiting humanity in any
Speaker 2: major ways. It seems quite anti human in many ways,
Speaker 2: which further leads to the possibility that there has been
Speaker 2: this information that is being channeled by entities that don't
Speaker 2: have humanity's best interest in mind to say the least.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Okay, I will give you the secular worldview, and
Speaker 3: then I will give you some really kooky, fringe, weird
Speaker 3: biblical point of view. So I one hundred percent agree
Speaker 3: with you that some of this is just psychopathic behavior
Speaker 3: on behalf of elite people. You know, once you start
Speaker 3: climbing the ladder of that echelon into we're talking multimillionaires, billionaires,
Speaker 3: things like that. Now, I don't necessarily know for most
Speaker 3: people that that's a ladder you can climb. I think
Speaker 3: you're born into that club. I think that's bloodline related.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone gets to you can climb up
Speaker 3: the ladder to a certain degree. There's degrees of that
Speaker 3: ladder you're never going to get to, no matter how
Speaker 3: hard you work, how brilliant you are. But with all
Speaker 3: that said, interesting thing there was a guy who did
Speaker 3: a experiment. I don't know what type of a scientist
Speaker 3: he was or what his specific field was anymore, but
Speaker 3: he decided to do a study on on serial killers
Speaker 3: based on brain scans, and he wanted to see if
Speaker 3: there was something in a brain scan that could show
Speaker 3: that the mind of a serial killer was different than
Speaker 3: the average mind. So he went and somehow got the
Speaker 3: authority and got these brain scans of several serial killers,
Speaker 3: Like I think, he went to a prison and got
Speaker 3: permission to do this. And what he decided to do
Speaker 3: for fun is he had a brain scan of himself
Speaker 3: done as well, and he put it into the collection
Speaker 3: of brain scans without labeling any of them, so he
Speaker 3: didn't know which one was his. He did find something
Speaker 3: on the brain scan that was there in all of
Speaker 3: the serial killers, but it was also in his brain,
Speaker 3: and that freaked him out. He's like, what, So what
Speaker 3: ended up coming from that study, which was super fascinating,
Speaker 3: is he realized that if you want to consider a
Speaker 3: serial killer a psychopath, if you want to use that term,
Speaker 3: he determined that there are two different kinds of psychopaths. Now, granted,
Speaker 3: he was highly motivated to figure out a second category
Speaker 3: because he didn't want to accept the fact that he
Speaker 3: had this serial killer feature in his brain. But what
Speaker 3: he determined is there are two different kinds of psychopaths.
Speaker 3: They all have this desire for absolute control, and some
Speaker 3: will fulfill that vicariously, fulfill that control through the domination
Speaker 3: of a human being to the ultimate end where it
Speaker 3: has that person's life or death in its hands. But
Speaker 3: he recognized that a lot of the non serial killing psychopaths,
Speaker 3: we're also in a collective community where most of them gathered.
Speaker 3: And I'll give you a guess as to where you
Speaker 3: think most of the non serial killer psychopaths hangout.
Speaker 1: Where's that.
Speaker 3: They're CEOs of massive.
Speaker 2: Operations makes too much sense?
Speaker 3: It does so if we extrapolate that to what we're
Speaker 3: talking about here, If you've got computer programmers or corporate
Speaker 3: CEOs or people way above holding the puppet strings to
Speaker 3: those people, we potentially have human beings who, without any
Speaker 3: sort of demonic intervention, are doing this stuff simply for control,
Speaker 3: for power, for money, the enjoyment of manipulating people, stealing wealth, whatever.
Speaker 3: But if the people at that high level of society
Speaker 3: are psychopaths, then you have to understand that there is
Speaker 3: to a certain degree something somewhat spiritual also at play
Speaker 3: if you want to look into the deeper auspices of
Speaker 3: mental illnesses and how sometimes that occurs. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying there's no such thing as mental illness, and I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that everyone with the mental illness has demons,
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is mental illness is a very
Speaker 3: really unknown still at this point. It's really mysterious in
Speaker 3: many ways. Where does it come from? It? And even
Speaker 3: if you say it's genetic, where what where does it
Speaker 3: come from? It's a mystery. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of what we're being sold in the DSM five and
Speaker 3: all that is a bill of goods, and I think
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff in that DSM five is a
Speaker 3: cover for things that they can't explain. So, Chris, when
Speaker 3: you're talking about the black box mystery, you know, we're
Speaker 3: putting in zeros and ones and this sentient like behavior
Speaker 3: is coming out and we have no idea why. I
Speaker 3: think it's the same thing. In the world of psychology,
Speaker 3: they're seeing this increased, ramped up bizarre behavior and rather
Speaker 3: than examining what is with this insanity going on, let's
Speaker 3: just come up with a new label. Put it in
Speaker 3: the DSM five. Now we have an explanation for it.
Speaker 3: Throw big Pharma at it, because they don't. They really
Speaker 3: can't figure out the bottom of it. They can't get
Speaker 3: to the root of it. So, yeah, you know what,
Speaker 3: a label's helpful. Hey, you know what, it's really helpful
Speaker 3: to know that I'm not crazy. I just have high
Speaker 3: anxiety and I need to take this pill to call
Speaker 3: me down. That's helpful to a degree. But for some
Speaker 3: of us we want to know, But why I so
Speaker 3: prone to anxiety? How come every time I get into
Speaker 3: a car or I'm in bumper to bumper traffic, I'm
Speaker 3: freaking out, like that's interesting to me. I want to
Speaker 3: examine that. Why that? How come I can jump into
Speaker 3: the deep end of a swimming pool with no problem,
Speaker 3: but if I'm in traffic, I'm freaking out. Like I'm
Speaker 3: a curious person. I want to examine those sort of things.
Speaker 3: I want to understand what's going on in my mind.
Speaker 3: And I like to overcome things, and I like answers
Speaker 3: that make sense. I don't like these stupid thing labels
Speaker 3: that just get thrown at me. So anyway, with all
Speaker 3: that said, I do believe that there is a human
Speaker 3: element to this, and that there are people that don't
Speaker 3: care if they have to step on other people or
Speaker 3: hurt other people if it means they maintain their power
Speaker 3: or they make millions or billions of dollars. There's just
Speaker 3: people out there that don't give a crap, And so
Speaker 3: I think that that's part of it. But now, from
Speaker 3: a spiritual perspective, if you want to go all the
Speaker 3: way back to Genesis, the narrative there, and even Christians
Speaker 3: don't like to believe this, Chris, it's highly controversial. It's
Speaker 3: not taught in seminary, and most pastors don't believe it.
Speaker 3: But if you go with the narrative that in Genesis six,
Speaker 3: what happened was fallen angelic beings, high ranking beings called watchers.
Speaker 3: These weren't your little messenger angels who wore a little
Speaker 3: white dress and showed up and gave people fortunes. You know,
Speaker 3: we're talking high, high ranking beings on the scale the
Speaker 3: hierarchy of angelography, or whatever you want to call it. Right, So, anyway,
Speaker 3: two hundred of these watchers came down Mount Hermon, which
Speaker 3: was a portal. It was a dimensional portal, I say
Speaker 3: was it probably still is. They interacted with mankind, and
Speaker 3: a Zasl and his cohorts taught mankind things that they
Speaker 3: didn't know. They taught them root cutting, cosmetics, medicines, herbs, metallurgy.
Speaker 3: And so what did mankind do with this stuff? Well,
Speaker 3: because we were learning about them from fallen rebellious beings.
Speaker 3: The cosmetics were used for seduction, the herbs were used
Speaker 3: as psychedelics for communication to the higher realms, and the
Speaker 3: metallurgy was made for the making of weapons. So what
Speaker 3: it basically turned into once it got into our hands
Speaker 3: was seduction and war. And so if you want to
Speaker 3: look at where we're at now. There was a time
Speaker 3: in history where our technology came from the spirit realm.
Speaker 3: These fallen angelic beings dimensionally traveled to the terrestrial realm.
Speaker 3: And you might not look at metallurgy or cosmetics or
Speaker 3: herbs and root cutting as technology, but it was technology.
Speaker 3: Doesn't just mean computers and zeros and ones. It was
Speaker 3: it was arcane, mysterious knowledge that had not been revealed
Speaker 3: to man. And so these watchers revealed technology. And so
Speaker 3: the technology that was given to man at that time
Speaker 3: was brought down from the spirit realm. And so I'm
Speaker 3: one of these people that if it happened once, it
Speaker 3: can happen again. And you know, the watchers might not
Speaker 3: be down here on the earth in the same you know,
Speaker 3: meat suits, and they might not be presenting themselves in
Speaker 3: the same way. I do believe they're still here. I
Speaker 3: don't think that they have to be, you know, forty
Speaker 3: five foot giants in order to still be here. I
Speaker 3: do think that the those bloodlines still exist, and I
Speaker 3: think that what we're dealing with here with a lot
Speaker 3: of them. There's a lot of people in middle management, Chris,
Speaker 3: who make way more money than we do. But they're
Speaker 3: still in middle management and things are compartmentalized, and they
Speaker 3: they're just rich, fat and happy and they don't care.
Speaker 3: But there are people who are higher than the higher
Speaker 3: that are from these bloodlines, and they do know it,
Speaker 3: and they likewise are doing the same thing as Grandpa's
Speaker 3: did back in Genesis. They are wittingly through our modern
Speaker 3: technology internet, AI, chat boxes, social media, they are doing
Speaker 3: the same thing that their ancestors did. They are sharing
Speaker 3: the arcane mysteries of the spirit realm with mankind. And
Speaker 3: once it gets into our hands, we use it for
Speaker 3: all of the stupidest, base level things we can think of,
Speaker 3: like if we can turn this into a video game
Speaker 3: or or an orgasm or a way to make money,
Speaker 3: that's super cool. We don't see beyond that usually, but
Speaker 3: eventually we will see that a lot of what is
Speaker 3: being billed as entertainment is really the building of an
Speaker 3: infrastructure of a coming kingdom. So you can talk about
Speaker 3: the beast system or the New World Order or what
Speaker 3: did Lovecraft call it, the New Dark Age? You can
Speaker 3: call it the New Golden Age, you can call it
Speaker 3: the Great Reset, you can call it whatever you want.
Speaker 3: But what they're doing through all this technology is Ultimately
Speaker 3: they're building an infrastructure for this kingdom and because the
Speaker 3: powers that be, and again, you can call it whatever
Speaker 3: you want. You can call it a president or a king,
Speaker 3: or a royal, or the Antichrist or the beast or
Speaker 3: you know, the prophet, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: This guy isn't God. He's probably going to be more
Speaker 3: than human, but he's not God. And that means he's
Speaker 3: not omnipotent, which means all powerful. He's not omniscient, and
Speaker 3: he's not omnipresent. And so how does something mimic God
Speaker 3: When it's not omniscient, it's not omnipotent, it's not omnipresent.
Speaker 3: It builds an infrastructure that mimics those things. And that's
Speaker 3: exactly what we're seeing with GPS and with all these
Speaker 3: algorithms and with the with the tracking devices in our
Speaker 3: pocket all day long. Now, something that's not God is
Speaker 3: omnipresent because with satellites and GPS and these phones, everybody
Speaker 3: knows where we are. There's no hiding on this planet.
Speaker 3: They will find you in two seconds. It's all knowing
Speaker 3: now because we're giving it, we're feeding it that information
Speaker 3: all day long. In the computer. All our searches and
Speaker 3: our social media and our likes and our comments were
Speaker 3: feeding this algorithm's stomach full of all of its dainties.
Speaker 3: So now it's all knowing and it's getting towards that.
Speaker 3: And so this is what we have to realize as
Speaker 3: we're interacting with this technology. And again, I'm not a ludite.
Speaker 3: I play games on my phone, I have a phone,
Speaker 3: I'm doing a podcast right now. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: live in a cave and you know, bake my own bread.
Speaker 3: I don't have time for this stuff. But the deal is,
Speaker 3: I do understand that a lot of this stuff that
Speaker 3: they're billing as an entertainment or I should say, when
Speaker 3: it first gets launched, you see the entertainment value in it,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people don't think about the ripple
Speaker 3: effect of a lot of this stuff. So I remember
Speaker 3: what five years ago, probably longer, there was a new
Speaker 3: app you could get for your phone and it was
Speaker 3: so much fun. I never had it, but you could
Speaker 3: mimic the voice of like any celebrity you wanted, so
Speaker 3: you could call your friend up and sound like Brad
Speaker 3: Pitt or whatever. And that's really funny. If you're crank
Speaker 3: calling your friend. But if you now realize that with
Speaker 3: less than five minutes of your voice, which they have
Speaker 3: because like even just right now Chris doing this one podcast,
Speaker 3: they've got enough of a sample of both of our
Speaker 3: voices where they could have us with deep fake and
Speaker 3: with with the voice technology, they could have you and
Speaker 3: I saying whatever they want. You know, I'm a Christian.
Speaker 3: They could they could easily put together an AI video
Speaker 3: where I'm saying I worship Satan and it's going to
Speaker 3: look one hundred percent real. Right, So we have to
Speaker 3: understand we aren't operating on a grid of deception. So
Speaker 3: we look at all this stuff like, oh this is
Speaker 3: so much fun and I'm gonna crank call my friend,
Speaker 3: and oh this is so convenient, this took an hour,
Speaker 3: Like this is like like consolidated my projects, and I
Speaker 3: love this app and so looking at it as convenience entertainment.
Speaker 3: But the people that are giving us all of these
Speaker 3: tools and apps and technology, they are operating on a
Speaker 3: grid of destruction, and so are of deception rather. And
Speaker 3: so what we have to realize is before we just
Speaker 3: need shirk, download an app and hit I agree and
Speaker 3: think this is super fun we should at least give
Speaker 3: some thought as to the ripple effect. Hey, if this
Speaker 3: got into the wrong hands, what would it look like
Speaker 3: when this technology ceases to be fun? What's it going
Speaker 3: to be used for? So we don't have to get
Speaker 3: rid of everything and go back to the dark ages,
Speaker 3: but we do need to give a lot more thought
Speaker 3: into who we're giving our information to and what we're
Speaker 3: interacting with, and what boxes we're checking and when we're
Speaker 3: hitting boxes on our phones and our computers that say
Speaker 3: I agree, you know another way of saying that I consent,
Speaker 3: You have my permission. Now we're into the vampirit code.
Speaker 3: You've given it invitation and get I get comments on
Speaker 3: my social media every single day from Christians saying I
Speaker 3: never consented to this. Well you did. And in fact,
Speaker 3: just by way of being an American, just by way
Speaker 3: of your mother signing your birth certificate on the day
Speaker 3: you were born and filing that birth certificate with the
Speaker 3: Department of Treasury, you're in the system. Dude. You've consented.
Speaker 3: You've consented, so we can't. We've got to get away
Speaker 3: from this. Blase. I pray to prayer and Jesus is
Speaker 3: my Ronald Reagan's Star Wars, you know, defense system and
Speaker 3: nothing's ever going to touch me, and good luck getting
Speaker 3: my brain data. They already got it. Dude.
Speaker 2: We're at such a critical time, We're at a crossroads
Speaker 2: with where humanity can potentially head right now, and there's
Speaker 2: a lot to consider. There's a lot of navigating to
Speaker 2: do with all the misinformation, disinformation and nonsense online. Now
Speaker 2: more than ever, we really need to be paying attention
Speaker 2: to what we're giving our time, energy and data to,
Speaker 2: like you said, watching those buttons that we're consenting to,
Speaker 2: and trying to check out of it as much as possible,
Speaker 2: because as of now, it's not leading us in a
Speaker 2: good direction. Now, we don't have time to get to
Speaker 2: the Nosferatu connections today, so we'll definitely have to revisit
Speaker 2: that come back another day. Would you like to give
Speaker 2: any final thoughts for the day and also remind the
Speaker 2: audience where they can find out more about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, guys. I know it's cliche, but I mean
Speaker 3: it in the most authentic way I possibly can be safe.
Speaker 3: This is not a safe world. I don't care what
Speaker 3: your belief system is, what your worldview is, if you're religious,
Speaker 3: if you're not religious, no matter where we are, this
Speaker 3: is not a safe planet to be on, right, So
Speaker 3: be safe, use your head. We as of today, we
Speaker 3: still have noetic sovereignty. We have the power over our will,
Speaker 3: our mind, our emotions, and they are trying to Chris.
Speaker 3: They're not going to steal it from us. They're going
Speaker 3: to deceive us into handing it over to them. So
Speaker 3: be safe, keep your eyes open and use discernment. Sometimes
Speaker 3: there's sheep and sometimes it's wolves in sheep's clothing. Just
Speaker 3: because something is full of love and light doesn't mean
Speaker 3: it cares about you. So, Chris, thank you so much
Speaker 3: for having me on. You can find me at Vickyjoyanerson
Speaker 3: dot com. Everything you possibly need for me is right
Speaker 3: there on the homepage. Click away.
Speaker 2: Excellent. Like I said, Vicky will be revisiting this and
Speaker 2: getting into the Nosferatu connections as soon as we can.
Speaker 2: And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We
Speaker 2: will be talking again tomorrow. See y'all then