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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. Well,

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it has certainly been a wild build up.

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Speaker 2: To the weekend in the Reeves household, here for the

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Big Fight Weekend preview.

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Speaker 1: As we've been dealing with a hurricane.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the action is going to be

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like in the ring in New York, or in Sheffield, England,

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or in Fayetteville, Georgia, or anywhere else that the fights

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are going on this weekend, but it has definitely been exciting.

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I am the somewhat confident host TJ.

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Speaker 1: Reeves.

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Speaker 2: He's our insider. Hello, Dan Rayfield. Fight Freaks Unite is

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his substack Bigfight Weekend dot com insider. He is not

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dealing with Hurricane Helene. We are here in this area,

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but we're ready to preview. Nonetheless, we've got some action

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to preview, We've got some news, some nostalgia. You're a

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lot drier than I am right now. How are things

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in your part of the world in Northern Virginia.

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Speaker 3: It's good we had some rain, but not a hurricane, thankfully.

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Speaker 2: This thing is a mess as we do this Thursday night. Again,

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I don't downplay this serious stuff headed to the state

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capitol of Tallahassee and into Georgia, into South Georgia as

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a category four Dan Rayphield four out of five hurricane.

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Thankfully it has stayed west of the main part of Florida.

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I mean, the thing is one hundred miles from us

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and we're getting wind and rain as we speak during

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the show Rock and Roll Show, Brother Rock and Roll

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Show Through a Hurricane. We're here for the fans. We

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preview going into the weekend Thursday into Friday.

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Speaker 1: We come off.

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Speaker 3: We got to put on the Scorpions, you know, Rocky

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like Hurricane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe so, and one.

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Speaker 3: Of the great rock fans of all and I'm a

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kiss fan, yet I'm also low key Scorps fan.

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Speaker 1: Also, just go ahead and say it here, I am hurricane.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you see Jim Cantri of the Weather Channel in

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your town, it ain't good and he's been here and

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then he's headed out.

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Speaker 1: But rock Me Like a Hurricane is right.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you're following, make sure you're subscribing on this

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podcast feed, and let's go. Let's get into the preview mode.

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We don't have to wait long for the Friday night action.

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The top rank ESPN card. Just six days later, we

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have another top rank ESPN card, this one from the

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Theater at Madison Square Garden. Main event, Mikayla Mayer challenges

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Sandy Ryan for the WBO Women's welterweight title. We got

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Xander Zaiez and Shoeshoe Carrington on the undercard. All right, Dan,

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let's get into the preview mode a little bit for Mayor.

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When last we saw her, she was in a title

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fight and lost a split decision at welterweight. Now she's

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right back in another title fight in this scenario here

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in September. Give me a little more on this as

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we began.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, Mayor was a top champion. She

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was unified champion at one hundred and thirty pounds, and

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when she lost, she then began to move up. And wait,

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and she's gone up very quickly, and I think she

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really just stayed. I think what she obviously most of

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recrre at one went up to one thirty five, how

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to fight at one forty and then went to one

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forty seven where she jumped up and she fought Natasha

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Jonas for a title in January. It was a really,

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really excellent fight, super close fight. She lost Razor close

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and pretty much everybody was talking about they're gon do

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a rematch. Both sides were talking about doing a rematch.

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It was supposed to get done. It's supposed to happen,

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and then I'm not sure what exactly happened, but it

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didn't get done because you know, in boxing, a done

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deal is a signed deal, and this one was supposed

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to be done and it never got done. And so

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that fell through, and she's not coming back down and wait,

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so she stayed at welterweight and Top Rank was able

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to work out a deal with Matchroom Boxing they don't

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do a ton of business with with Eddie Hearn and

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Sandy Ryan, you know, who has the WBO title, agreed

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to do the fight, and so she's coming to the

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United States. She's fought here once before. This will be

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her second fight in America. She's of course from England.

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to me, to tell you the truth, was are a little

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surprising that they would put I'm not saying that the

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fight's a bad fight, it just didn't strike me as

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the type of main event that's going to do big

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business in the Madison Square Garden Theater. Now Top Rank

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is very intelligent the manner in which they construct their shows.

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Sandy from England and Michaela you know an l a

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girl who lives in Colorado, are not exactly local attractions

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and I'm not really had a history of fighting in

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New York City. The undercard, dough is what's going to

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sell the tickets. So they got like you mentioned Xander's Ice,

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a popular Puerto Rican fighter, not from New York, but

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certainly the Puerto Rican community, Shushu Carrington, the featherweight from Brooklyn,

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and then they put on an assortment of other fighters

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Needo mil Nicky, for example, from New Jersey. He's got

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a fan base and you know Dominican fighters, and they

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just say, make a nice undercard. So there's that. But

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in terms of the fight, you know, she's going for

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a world title in another way class Mikaela and Sandy.

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Ryan's looking to defend her title for the third time. Remember,

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she's coming off that really uh just terrible. I don't

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know she's coming off it, but she had that terrible

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draw where she got robbed against mccaskell, and you know,

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a lot of people thought she won that fight. I

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thought she won that fight any in any event, So

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the fight itself is like an intro matchups just from

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the standpoint if you're into like the women's walterweight division

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and a lot of good names in and around that

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weight class. But what sort of made this fight go

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from just another sort of average title fight to sort

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of a little bit more heat, let's call it is

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the back and forth ofteen Ryan and Mayor. Now they

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were admittedly they were acquaintances as amateurs. They had, I

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guess had some training together because michaela was on the

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United States team USA and in the Olympics in twenty sixteen, Ryan,

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you know, fought with the Great Britain national team, and

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they guess they must have had some work together. They

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met each other a couple of times, no particular animosity.

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But then came the accusation that in the process after

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the draw with McCaskill, Sandy had come to the United

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States to train. She was looking for some new folks

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to train her, and she ended up working with Ky

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Caroma and another assistant who was along part of Mikala's team.

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coach and you know, top pro trainer a little bit

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older now he was her head trainer, but in the

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ring doing mits and on, you know, uh did the

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work with the with the actual physical part of with

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the fighter. That was Kate Caroma, an excellent young trainer.

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he was also working with Sandy Ryan, she was upset

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about that because her point was, look, I'm going to welterweight,

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basically fired him and and uh and and got rid

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of the other person that was with them also, uh.

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sort of being sneaky about it, like if they were

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supposedly friendly, like you might say something to me. And anyway,

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it's been this whole soap opera back and forth. I

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kind of think it's a little bit overwrought, to be

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quite honest, and that you know, Michael has taken a

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little bit out of context, a little bit too personal.

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Speaker 2: But right, whatever creates a little sizzle, little heat. The

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background you just gave me. That's some intrigue. That's some

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intrigue for the fight, little bad blood, and it seems

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to be genuine bad blood, not contrived.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So they'll settle the issue of the championship in

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the ring, and they'll settle the issue of of the

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stuff related to the trainer. The the the ironic part

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is in her comments this week, Mikhail has made the

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point like that she's happy that it's worked out this

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way because Al Mitchell still her head trainer and still

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her guy who's been with her from day one, and

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she brought in as like the hands on assistant in

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the ring doing the midst and that sort of stuff,

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and the more physical attributes brought in Kofie John Tua

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Coffee John Tua, if you're familiar, it was a top

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junior middleway contender, you know, throughout the two thousands. And

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she said how happy she is working with him, and

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that it's you know, sort of refocused her. And so

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you know, in the end, maybe Sandy Ryan did her

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a favorite if you believe the story that they did

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this on purpose, and she tried to, you know, get

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in between her and Coroma, you know, and from and

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that that even though Kay has worked with Sandy leading

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into this fight, he's actually not officially down on the

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on the bout sheet or on the listing sheet to

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be like the head guy in the corner. He'll be

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there at the fight because he's got other charges on

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the undercard, but that he won't necessarily be in her core,

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even though he did spend a lot of the time

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helping prepare her for this fight. So there's that interesting

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sort of soap opera sidebar to the fight.

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Speaker 2: All right, very good, and again we're going to keep

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emphasizing this. This is Friday night as we released the podcast,

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and we got the bet Us show Friday where we

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will handicap at one Eastern time. All Right, So you

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mentioned and I mentioned that Xander Zayas and Shoeshoe Carrington

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are on the immediate undercard here on the main undercard.

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What do we make of both of their fights here

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where they both get a chance again in front of

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the New York crowd and including a national cable TV

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to show what they can do.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Yeah, I mean Xander Zias, I mean nothink.

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We've known for a while, and I was still only

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twenty two years old, but it feels like he's been

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around forever because he's been a professional since he's seventeen

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years old. But he's still a work in progress. As

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I mentioned, he's nineteen and zero, has a fan base

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among the Puerto Rican fans. He's you know, he lives

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in Florida, but he's drawn and sold some tickets in

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New York when he's fought in these cards, and he

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is fighting Damian Sosa, but he's coming off of you know,

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was his biggest win in June, where he basically ran

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to a shutout. Not that he ran, but he rolled

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to a shotout, I should say, against Patrick Decida, who

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is a former junior middleway title holder, a little bit

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past his best days but pretty still a pretty rugged, durable,

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solid guy and by far and away the best opponent

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that Xander had fought, and he just routed. It wasn't

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a particularly good fight, but he you know, it was

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a one sided, you know, you know, easy decision. And

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in Sosa, he's fighting an opponent with a couple of losses,

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but a guy who's never been stopped, who's still in

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his twenties, a tough Mexican fighter, but he's not really

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faced anybody, So to me, this is sort of like

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a placeholder fight just to get some more rounds and

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you know, continue to develop at some point. I know

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he's still young at twenty two, but when you've been

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a pro five years, at some point, Xander's gonna have

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to step it up a little bit. And we'll see

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if top rank how much belief they have in him

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by when they do that. Because right now, this type

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of fight is just another sort of in the long

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line of similar kind of matchups. In terms of the

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other fight you mentioned Shoshoe Carrington, the featherweight contender slash prospect.

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a little bit older as a featherweight for for a

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prospect at twenty seven, but he turned professional later. But

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he's from Brooklyn. He brings a crowd, he's got good

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punch and power, he's got swagger, he's definitely got ring

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IQ and intelligence, and he's a very very good up

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and coming fighter, and you know he knows how to

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to He knows how to box, and he also knows

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how to get the crowd excited. So he fulfills what

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got talent of course, you know, to win fights, but

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he also have the marketability and the swagger to go

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with it to help you sell yourself and sell your

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he's definitely a guy to keep an eye on. He's

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coming off some some great knockout wins. He's uh, this

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is you know, he's been fighting in New York on

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a regular basis on these cards. This is gonna his

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third fight in a row at the Madison Square Garden Theater,

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and I think it's like his fifth fight overall since

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he's been a pro. He's only got twelve pro fights.

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So he'll have Brooklyn in the house. And it's an

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interesting matchup because he's fighting a fighter named Suliman Segawa.

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He's a Uganda native. He actually lives in my neck

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of the woods in Silver Spring, Maryland. He's a tough, durable,

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journeyman type of ponent, but he's also a guy that

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can definitely score the upset. He's seventeen to four and one.

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He's only been stopped the one time. But if you

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remember back earlier this year, this was in the summer

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in July, he had by far and away his biggest win.

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He pulled a very very big upset in a very

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clear decision, a pretty one sided decision as a matter

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of fact, against the featherweight contender Ruben Villa, who had

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fought for a world title, who had defeated Louis Alberto

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Lopez before Louis Alberta Lopez had won his world title.

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That was a great win for him, and he just

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easily outboxing, you know, out punched and out everything against

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Ruben Villa. So his reward for that big win against Villa, who,

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by the way, after that fight was over Top Rank

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released him because of that loss. He gets another opportunity

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on a top rank card on television and he takes

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on Carrington, and you know, I'm gonna tell you right now,

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Carrington's not on his game. This is a this is

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a winnable type of fight for Segawa because he's a rough,

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tough customer. I don't know if he's got the speed

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or the power to hang with Carrington, but if he

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can frustrate him a little bit, maul him a little bit,

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maybe get a little physical with him, and and kind

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of drive him a little crazy in there, and and

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while getting in some good shots. Like it's not an

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unwinnable fight for him in my opinion. You know, this

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is a very solid, durable guy. He mentioned he's only

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got the one knockout loss. He's only got six knockouts.

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But he's a tough I've seen him fight a few times,

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not just the ruben Via fight. You know, he can

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drive you fucking crazy. And uh, you know the one

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time he did get stock was against Jermaine Ortiz. That's

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a couple of years ago, and that was, you know,

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back in twenty twenty. But listen, I think this is

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a very good learning fight for Carrington. If he can

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beat this guy, it's gonna show me a little bit

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more than I have seen because he's winning impressively Carrington,

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but it's he's not really beating name guys. He's still

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a young in his career. So I'll win against Togawa,

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especially if it's somewhat impressive that that would tell me that,

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you know, he's to go to at least the next level.

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I don't think that's necessarily the championship level, but like

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maybe a top type twelve fifteen contender, legit type guy.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff.

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Speaker 2: All right, quickly here, there are several other fights that

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are on the undercard, prospects on the on the undercard,

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you mentioned Veto Melaneki and also Tiger Johnson. What else

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that's here because they're getting a lot of guys some

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action here in late September.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is going to be the second

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fight since Vito mil Nikki split with PBC and signed

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with Top Rank. And by the way, there's a reason

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he's on the card because not only does he bring

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a crowd from his area of northern New Jersey, but

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because he also fights in the junior middleweight division. Top

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Rank is clearly building towards I think, probably sometime next

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year a fight between Vito mil Nicki and Xander's Eyes.

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If they both continue to win, they've called each other out,

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they're both very young, they're both you know, can bring

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a crowd, whether you know it's Puerto Ricans from New

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York against the Jersey guys. I mean, that'll be It

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may not be a world championship fight, but that will

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be a fight that will you know, get the guard

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and hop it. It's the kind of fight where I

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could see, you know, with the right promotion, in the

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right undercart, they might move a fight like that to

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the big room, you know, to the main arena, like

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on a Puerto Rican day perid the weekend, by the way,

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something along those lines. I think that could be a

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big attraction fight. I mean, you know, not every fight

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has to be pound for pounds stuff. Not every fight

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has to be some big world tip of fight. There's

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still something to be said for two young guys who

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have futures in the sport in a good solid fight

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for b rice, you know, for you know, I got

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the best of you, or it's my neighborhood, that type

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of thing, and that's what that is. So the mil

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Nicky stays active on this cart. You mentioned some of

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the other guys. They have Tiger Johnson, the Olympian, who's

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still undefeated. He's stepping up a little bit against the

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Omar Alamo who's been in the ring with some good

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solid guys. Elvis Rodriguez who's back with top rank now

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after a brief split, the Dominican fighter. He's a very

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good prospect also on this undercard, but the guy that is,

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he got the least attention, and he's been fighting regular

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but he's always kind of really at the bottom level

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of the you know, the early parts of the undercard.

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I think he's a tremendous prospect, that he's one of

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my favorite prospects. I talked to Todd the Buff from

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Top Rank, the president of Top Rank, on a regular basis,

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and I always tell you, I said, where's my man

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Rohan Polanco? When am I seeing him again? He's an

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Olympian from the Dominican Republic. He's thirteen and zho. He

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has eight knockouts. And I'm telling you everything I have

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seen in this guy, and I've watched basically every one

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of his fights, but he's always on the ESPN plus

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portion of these cars, and I watched them religiously. He's

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a good fighter, he's solid, he can punch, he can box.

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I think he's a tremendous talent. You know, he's in

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another sort of developmental fight. The one interesting aspect of

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this particular about as I said, he is thirteen to oh.

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This will be his first schedule ten rounder against an

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opponent named Marcelino Lopez. So we'll see, you know, if

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he can go, if he has to go to the distance,

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if he's got the stamina to do so. He has

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been the eight round distance before.

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Speaker 2: But I love this prospect, all right, good stuff on

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the top rank Fighting Night shows. There's also a Friday

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night separate women's undisputed junior lightweight title fight, and that

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has Alicia Bombgardner in it. Bombgardner has been on a

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drug suspension for ped violation. She's fighting Delphine Person And

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I just brought that up because I wasn't really fully

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aware until my man Dan Rayfield is letting me know

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about this.

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Speaker 1: And you want to pick it up on.

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Speaker 2: That that there has not been a lot of publicity

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for this. How many people actually know that this is

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going on on Friday Night?

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Speaker 1: While we're in the preview mode, right.

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Speaker 3: Here's what's funny. We spent a lot of time talking

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about Mikayla Mayer challenging Sandy Ryan for her welterweight title

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main event ESPN National Television. A legendary arena like the

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Madison Square Garden Theater, you know, getting a lot of

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publicity this week, and by the way, she beat Mikhayla

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Mayer when they met in a unification fight back in

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twenty twenty two. And because bomb Gardner had her drug situation,

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I don't know if she was never actually technically suspen ended,

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but because the DO Michigan Commission is such a wreck,

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but she obviously he was off for a long time.

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She hasn't fought. This will be her first fight in

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fourteen months since that questionable situation that had followed post

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her victory against Christina Linda Dartu back in July of

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last year, So she has been off for a while.

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But she is defending her title against Delphine Pursuon. And

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if you're familiar with women's boxing, Pursuon, as she's been

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a world champion, she's fought everybody. He's only got three losses.

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And she has been in the ring with Katie Taylor,

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and she's fought Katie Taylor twice as a matter of fact.

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In fact, the first fight she fought against Katie Taylor,

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which I was at was the Anthony Joshua and de

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Ruiz Undercart and myself and many people that night thought

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that Delphine person got the raw deal on that fight,

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that she actually deserved the victory against Katie that night,

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which would have given her you know, three of the

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lightweight winter of the undisputed lightweight women's world time. But

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this is a very experienced fighter. She's fought all the

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you know, the women of the consequence offered of her

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in and around that weight. She is the mandatory in

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the WBC. So they're fighting this fight. It's on if

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you subscribe. I subscribed to Triller Plus TV used to

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be the old you know, fight TV. It's like, you know,

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seven or eight bucks a month, and it's not a

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pay per view. Just get this as part of your subscription.

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So I'm going to watch the main event of this fight.

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But when I tell you, as you mentioned about, you

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didn't know the fight was happening. The promoters of this

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fight stink out loud. Let's just be rich.

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Speaker 1: Just you just gave it more promotion than I even

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knew about.

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Speaker 3: That's how from the Global Combat Collective. I believe it's

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who they are. He's like her promoter slash advisor manager

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or whatever, you're not manager, but like he's deed works

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with Alicia for most of her career, have done such

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a future job of promoting this fight is just sick,

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and I mean, you don't have to spoon feed me.

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I've been a journalist for over thirty years. I know

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how to do my work. But you can't even get

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like basic information about anything on the fight. I couldn't

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get like a baut She couldn't get like what weoure

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the weights couldn't you know? There was nothing I found

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out about some of the aspects of it, just because

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Triller put it up on their website with a couple

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of details on it. But I mean zero response from anybody,

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So you know, I don't have a lot to say

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about it. But if Bombgarner with that time off, we'll

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see how she does against a veteran like pursuing. I

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have no idea what kind of shape viewithers women are in,

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what their mentalities Areciser's No, I didn't see anything on

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a press conference. I haven't seen that quotes. I haven't

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seen anything. So whatever is going to be is going

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to be enough set about that show?

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Speaker 2: Will Women's World title fight like a tree in the

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forest with nobody around to hear it if it falls?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: So the opposite, because I saw some of the press

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conference stuff and they'll do the way in On Friday

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is the match Room de Zonne card in Sheffield that

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is headlined by two more females.

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Speaker 3: Third is a big women's weekend.

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Speaker 1: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: Third women's world title fight, and we'll mention here Rihannan

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Dixon and Terry Harper battle and this is for the

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WBO Women's lightweight title.

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Speaker 1: Interesting for Harper, she's moving down. You talk about this

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all the time.

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Speaker 2: She's moving down a couple of weight classes, right from

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welter weight down the lightweight to challenge Dixon for the

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WBO lightweight title. That's Saturday afternoon, Sheffield, England, main event

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from match Room. Another thought on this real.

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Speaker 3: Quick, well, keep in mind that Terry Harper she has

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been previously. Yes, she is coming down and wait for

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this particular fight, but she has fought the most of

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her career at one hundred and thirty slash one hundred

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and thirty five or thereabouts in her career, so it

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shouldn't be that big of a deal. She didn't really

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look like she was that big when she was fighting,

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say in the you know she like in her last

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fight she fought to a draw. Was Cecila Brack who's

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in a junior middleweight vacant title fight, and now she's

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going down one more weight class to welterweight. But before that,

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she had been a title holder, you know, at one

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hundred and thirty and I think also one hundred and

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thirty five, and she's fought all the top women, you know,

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and she has a knockout lost to Bombgarner. Matter of fact,

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when Bombgarner won her WBC world title, it was when

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she knocked out Terry Harper back in twenty twenty one.

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So the women that Bombgarner has defeated in world title fights,

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Terry Harper and Michael O may our higher profile fights

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this weekend than the woman that beat them both and

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is defending her on this speed of title. You know,

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what is the old saying, just say no to drugs?

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah, that's that says all. That's all so Ryan, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, not Ryan? Uh, you know, I know in Harper

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by the last she's Harper, she she had to draw

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against the Cilia and as I mentioned, for the vacant

472
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one hundred and fifty four pound title. Her next fight

473
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after that, she also got stopped by Sandy Ryan in

474
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a welterweight title fight, so now she's getting another title fight.

475
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So she goes from junior middleweight title fight, draw drops

476
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down welterweight, gets knocked out, dropping down now to lightweight

477
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and what she hopes is not the third time of

478
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getting a loss in a world title fight. So she's

479
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taken on Dixon. I don't think you got to worry

480
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,559
a lot about a knockout because rihann and Dixon is

481
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ten and oh with one knockout, so obviously not a

482
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lot of punching power there. But she's defending her title

483
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for the first time and in the UK where they're

484
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both from. Uh, you know, this, I guess is a

485
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big enough deal where it's going to headline the matter

486
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card on his own. They've they had to kind of

487
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rearrange some stuff because if I'm not mistaken, this iight

488
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was originally supposed to be on the Jack Catterall undercard

489
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that's coming up with him against Regis program, but when

490
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that fight was postponed that Trumada shifted around some of

491
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the other undercard fights, so this wound up as its

492
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main event. So there's that situation, but nonetheless that's that's

493
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the main fight on Saturday's design card.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: All right, So that's Saturday afternoon US time, and again

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we mentioned that we'll handicap some fights on the including

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this one on the bet US Boxing Show Live one

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Speaker 1: Some news and some nostalgia.

501
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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, weren't you and I talking about Oscar Colazo

502
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maybe meeting your boy CP fresh Mart for the strawweight

503
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unification battle.

504
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Speaker 3: Hold on, that's knockout CP fresh Mark.

505
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Speaker 1: Oh, knockout CP Freshmart. Let's get it all straight.

506
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Speaker 3: Better known as also known as Neom and Trunk.

507
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Speaker 2: All right, so Niamatrong, fresh Mark and Klaso, this is

508
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actually gonna happen. It looks like in November now now

509
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that we were theorizing it, give me more.

510
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Speaker 3: So this is totally a coincidence. When when when Neam

511
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,799
Trong had the victory against Alex Winnwood in Australia a

512
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:21,240
few weeks ago, right, it was a very slow weekend,

513
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as you recall, when we were recapping the fight and

514
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discussing it, and we were amusing about like, what's a

515
00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:29,279
big so called big fight in the strangweight division. And

516
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the only thing I could think of that would move

517
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the needle at all for anybody, really would be maybe

518
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if Neomtrong, who was the longest reigning title holder in

519
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,359
boxing currently among men's champions, the only guy in the

520
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,079
division that was at least in our hemisphere anyway, that

521
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,880
had some heat that was sort of interesting, that was exciting,

522
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that had some swagger, was Oscar Colaso from Puerto Rico,

523
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who had won a world title very quickly in his

524
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professional career. That somehow, some way, maybe Golden Boy, you know,

525
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they got the backing of his owne. They obviously are

526
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involved with the Red Seasons folks, maybe they could make

527
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that kind of fight and lo and behold that fight

528
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is now in the process of being finalized. I spoke

529
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to Eric Gomez actually just a you know, earlier in

530
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,240
the day today from Golden Boy, who had called me

531
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,279
about a couple of things, and this was one of

532
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,039
the topics of our discussion, and I sort of joked them,

533
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:20,400
I said, I said, we we just were talking about

534
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,200
the prosputus on our podcast, you know, a couple of

535
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,359
weeks ago after he had won the fight in Australia,

536
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and Eric sort of joking, he goes, you know I

537
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was really I was eve dropping. I was listening in

538
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:31,920
to the podcast, right, I don't I don't think that

539
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was the case.

540
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Speaker 2: But wait, wait, wait, wait, So maybe some of what

541
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we say has a slight influence. I don't know how

542
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much my influence, but it could have a slight influence.

543
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,440
This is this is interesting for November. I'm interested in.

544
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Speaker 3: So, so what they're doing is they are Yeah, First

545
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of all, it's it's it will It'll be the first

546
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:51,799
drawat Unification fight in a number of years. I don't

547
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:53,440
remember when the last one was. There's been a few,

548
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,559
but they're not very common at all. Number two, for

549
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,079
what it's worth, you know, it will crown, I guess

550
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,079
according to the Ring magazine this will be for the

551
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,319
Ring magazine title. They're the number one and number two

552
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,119
guys in the division, I guess, and it's worthy. It's

553
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,559
not a deep weight class so much. There's some okay

554
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,200
names if you really get down in the weeds, but

555
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these are the probably the two best guys anyway. And

556
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so back a week or so ago when when Golden

557
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:21,319
Boy announced their Latino Knight card in Riad that's headlined

558
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,880
by Zerdo Ramirez in the Unification that cruiser waiting against

559
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,279
Chris Billam Smith. That's got Arnold Barbosa against Josey Ramirez,

560
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Williams of Paidas on the card and what's supposed to

561
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be a tune up against Tevin Farmer before he fights

562
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Shakor Stevenson. They announced also Oscar Duarte against Kenny Simms,

563
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and the other fight was on the card was Oscar

564
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Clazo defending the title against Edwin Hernandez. So the way

565
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,039
it was explained to me by Eric was they couldn't

566
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make the Neomtrong fight at the time because he still

567
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hadn't won the fight against Wyndwood, so they made the

568
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,400
fight with Hernandez. But I guess they had some language

569
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,119
in their agreement that said that they could get Neam

570
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,599
Chung in that Hernandez would, you know, still get paid

571
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,519
a certain fee and step aside and then maybe get

572
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a chance not guaranteed, but maybe get a chance to

573
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fight the winner. But the bottom line needs so make

574
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,640
money and they'd be able to slip the I'mtrong in

575
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if everything came out and they able to finalize the deal,

576
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And that's exactly what happened. They signed the Hernandez fite

577
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to make sure Calaso had a defense on this card.

578
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I'm trong won the fight against Winwood. They were able

579
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to make the deal and now it's all. But it's again,

580
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it's being finalized. As the vernacular I'll use, it's not

581
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one hundred percent signed there. You know, they're basically sending

582
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the contracts back and forth to make sure that what

583
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they say they agreed on is memorialized in the paper.

584
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And keep in mind, you know, you're dealing with people

585
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from the United States who speak English and or Spanish,

586
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and folks from Thailand who speak tie So there's you

587
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,880
got to deal with the language and the translation. But

588
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by all accounts from what Eric was saying, this is

589
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going to get done. And that adds a really interesting

590
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:47,079
fight to this non pay per view read season card

591
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:50,160
on November sixteenth, and look, if you like one hundred

592
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,480
five pounders and they can bring the action, this is

593
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a damn good fight.

594
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Speaker 2: And Palazzo can punch. We've talked about this and so

595
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,559
I'm compelled. I'm compelled here so good. I've always said,

596
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:03,880
if the Puerto Rican strawweight champion is meeting the tie

597
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,799
straweight champion, you got to do it in Saudi Arabia.

598
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: I've always it's kind of like half way between maybe

599
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:10,119
all right, mean.

600
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Speaker 3: If you measured the distance I don't know from Thailand

601
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:12,839
to Read and Read.

602
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

603
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: How many times if we come in here and say

604
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,720
it can't we have good things? And so we were

605
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,839
talking about it and this may be a good thing

606
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:21,799
uh here.

607
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Speaker 3: You know, I know a lot of people have uh

608
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had certain complaints about the read situation and their involvement

609
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,200
in this and that for whatever reason, and I understand

610
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,640
some of that, but I know this, in terms of

611
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:39,880
strictly boxing, there would not be fucking Colaso Neomstrong to

612
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,920
unify strawweights for the absolute degenerate fans like myself if

613
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,640
they're not involved. Right, we wouldn't Ramirez against Chris Bill

614
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,039
and Smith in a unification fight on the same card, No.

615
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Speaker 2: Way, Because it's amazing how everybody can get along, make

616
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,359
these fights and figure it out when somebody's providing the bread,

617
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,599
the move, and that's what's happening.

618
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Speaker 1: That's what we're seeing on that.

619
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Speaker 2: Okay, so hey, that's a good segue, speaking of providing

620
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,960
and the Saudi's being involved. We have the upcoming undisputed

621
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,240
light heavyweight title battle couple of weeks away.

622
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,279
Speaker 1: Now, Archer better.

623
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: B of Dmitri b Bol and these guys met with

624
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:19,759
the media and the undercard met with the media on Wednesday.

625
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,880
Anything compelling out of this, We've been waiting a while.

626
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,480
We're kind of getting now in the go zone here

627
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:27,400
for this. Anything off the press conference, Well.

628
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: I mean they had done a press conference previously when

629
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,319
the fight was announced, but remember I got postponed. It

630
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,359
was supposed to be in June, but then Arthur better

631
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,279
Beev had the knee injury and was and they had

632
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,559
to call the fight off. So now they did another

633
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,079
press conference, and they brought in the whole undercard, including

634
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,799
like guys like Fabio Wordley and Fraser Clark who are

635
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:46,319
going to have their rematch on the card, and Chris

636
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,640
Ubank Junior against Aram Metta. Anyway, all the different fighters

637
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,000
there on the show were there. But the guys that

638
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,279
most people I think we're probably paying Post's attention to,

639
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,799
We're better be having people. And so now like you said,

640
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,480
we're getting just a few weeks away from the fight.

641
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,359
I'll say it again as I said all along, it's

642
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,839
the best fight that you can make in boxing. I

643
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:04,960
don't agree with a lot of things with Eddie Hern,

644
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,599
but as he said at the Press covers, this is,

645
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,880
you know, the best best fight in boxing. Unquestionably I

646
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,519
agree with him about that. And they both guys looked

647
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,559
in great shape. They neither one of them are men

648
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:20,519
of a lot of words. They both spoke about their desire.

649
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,160
They've spoken English, you know, Biviol spoke in English for

650
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,480
a long time. Better, beevs. English has gotten a lot better,

651
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,880
just about how meaningful it is to be undisputed, and

652
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:32,599
not only will the winner be unisputed, but they'll have

653
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,519
achieved that undisputed status by beating then the other best

654
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,640
guy in the division. I mean, you got better bv

655
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400
who's got the lineal title and three of the belts.

656
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,160
You have that Bivol who's got another belt, also undefeated.

657
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,200
One guy's made like eleven or twelve defenses, the other

658
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,519
guys made what seven or eight defenses. Both guys have

659
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,000
been circling his other for a long time, not getting

660
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,599
any younger, I mean better b is up to age

661
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960
thirty nine at this point, but he hasn't shown any

662
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,079
signs of slippage when he in the ring. You know,

663
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,000
He's obviously had a bunch of injuries, but it's not

664
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,839
necessarily injury related to his age. He's just a fragile guy.

665
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,480
But when he's in the ring, you know TJ. He's

666
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,880
the only boxer in the sport right now with a

667
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,039
perfect knockout percentage among the champions twenty zero with twenty knockouts.

668
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:18,039
And Biovo, who's not been known as a big puncher,

669
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:19,599
at least in his last fight, he scored his first

670
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,440
knockout in like eight fights since like twenty eighteen. So

671
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,119
I just I just I love this fight. It's a

672
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:28,680
good card, but the main event is really interesting and

673
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,400
at the end of the day, the winner is going

674
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,240
to hoist all the belts, not only be the first

675
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:35,839
four belt light heavyweight champion since the four belts, but

676
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,480
the first undisputed champion in the division in twenty five years.

677
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You got to go all the way back to nineteen

678
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,640
ninety nine three belt era when Roy Jones routed and

679
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,400
shut out Reggie Johnson to unify the three major titles.

680
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,880
And we all know the greatness of Roy Jones, and

681
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,000
if you don't, you could YouTube it up. Kids. Yeah,

682
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,000
this is a big time fight, and so They were

683
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,720
both very calm. There was you know, no nonsense, no pushing,

684
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:02,079
no shoving, no nonsense, no bad words or anything. Very respectful,

685
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,160
very professional, very classy fighters in that sense. But this

686
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,200
is a bad This is this is highest level you

687
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,240
can get in the sport. It may not have the

688
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,200
magnitude of a mega pay per view. A lot of

689
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200
people will ignore this fight in the United States. You're

690
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,160
not going to see articles about it in your newspaper.

691
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,200
But if you like boxing, it literally, in my mind,

692
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,240
doesn't get better than.

693
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Speaker 2: This compelling and you feel for Bevol. Let's get to

694
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:28,039
the finish line. He's been waiting for like a year

695
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:31,200
and a half for better B, who had a jaw injury,

696
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:34,160
had to have a jaw surgery and then and then

697
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,799
had the knee injury earlier this year.

698
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: But you know, listen, better B has been waiting for

699
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,680
the fight also. It's you know, just because his injury helped.

700
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,799
Speaker 2: One guy's been healthy and this thing's been a no

701
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,799
go twice because of the other guy.

702
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: So let's just get to the finish lines.

703
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: All I'm saying, well, I think this my understanding is

704
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,039
after the press conference was over the other day in London,

705
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:55,640
I believe the way it was explained to me, it

706
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,559
was better be it was going directly from the UK

707
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,240
to do the rest of the camp in Saudi Arabia either,

708
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:02,279
And all I can think is, just take this man

709
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:03,519
in a wrap, bubble wrap.

710
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,039
Speaker 2: I thought you were going there that you were told

711
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:07,279
he was wrapped in bubble wrap.

712
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: Oh my, all right, so let's get keep him healthy

713
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:12,160
before a fight.

714
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: Let's get there on that for a couple of weeks

715
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440
from now. We can't wait to analyze that one more

716
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,680
and get the fight week of that week.

717
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: Okay, you've learned.

718
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,599
Speaker 2: More about the Boots, the Bam and Boots, the Boots

719
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,759
and Bam card in Philadelphia, and another name that is

720
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:29,119
going to be added to that card in November. Tell

721
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,759
me more into the news category here.

722
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,799
Speaker 3: Sure so. Earlier this week, Matchroom Boxing announced the rest

723
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:35,559
of the undercard, and it makes a lot of sense

724
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,279
for what they've added in the in the main fight

725
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,359
below the main event, which is Ennis against Chakazi and

726
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,559
their rematch for the welterweight belt, and then the co

727
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,759
feature that we've discussed, which is Bam Rodriguez against the

728
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:49,519
interim title of Pedro Guivara. The next fight down the

729
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,480
show is the return of ray Ford. Ray Ford won

730
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:56,200
the WBA featherweight title uh in A in a dramatic

731
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,279
fashion against Kolmatov. Memory did it with seven seconds left

732
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,359
in the twelfth round. Yeah, a tremendous fight of the

733
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,079
year type fight and he pulled it out. Big, big,

734
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:06,920
big win. And then, unfortunately for ray Ford, in his

735
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,759
next fight, which was on June first, he was part

736
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,480
of the five on five in Riad and he lost

737
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,240
a close decision against Nick Ball Yea. So and he

738
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,960
you know, we knew this going into the fight that

739
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,480
that win or lose, that was gonna be his last

740
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,920
fight at one hundred and twenty six pounds. He's been

741
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,960
struggling to make that weight. So now he's going to

742
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,240
be making his one hundred and thirty pounds debut. In

743
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:26,920
this undercard, he's going to take on a fighter named

744
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,839
Orlando Gonzalez, who people might know who gave you know,

745
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,599
he had fought a couple of years ago against Robessi

746
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,440
Ramirez pri Ramirez winning a world title. You know, he's

747
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,759
got some good experience. So this is a chance to

748
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:40,920
see what ray Ford can do. Ray is from Camden,

749
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,839
New Jersey, not that far away from where this fight

750
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,039
is taking place in Philadelphia. So if there's some ray

751
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:49,200
Ford fans from the hometown, they bring a few people

752
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,119
to see him fight, but they're going to try to

753
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:52,640
make a run at a title one hundred and thirty.

754
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,039
This is the first step. If he wins, the fight

755
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,079
looks good, you know, I have no doubt in my

756
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:57,359
mind that match will be able to get him a

757
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,960
bigger fight. They've also added the light heavyweight up and comer,

758
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,160
undefeated khalil Co, who was a tremendous prospect, was a

759
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,880
top amateur. He's taken his training from what I have

760
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,360
told a lot more seriously, last couple of fights really

761
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,079
looked sharp, scort, some big knockouts. He's taken on an

762
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,920
opponent Manuel Gegos in a ten rounder. He's also from

763
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,960
New Jersey, Northern New Jersey. He'll bring some fans probably

764
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,320
to the fight as well, so regionally speaking, it makes

765
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,199
a lot of sense. And then another fight that they

766
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,760
put on, remember a few i't maybe a month or

767
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,719
so ago, Ernesto Tito Mercado, an excellent up and comer

768
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,000
junior welterweight that was on my prospect list and it's

769
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,360
rare to find a prospect on anybody's prospects list that

770
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,559
doesn't have a major promoter. And everybody was talking about

771
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,159
Tito Mercato. His father built him on separate cards. They

772
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,119
went and did their own thing. They had interest from

773
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,719
a lot of different promoters. They didn't sign, but Matt

774
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,400
from Boxing finally signed him. You know, probably, I guess

775
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,360
said in the last month or six weeks or so.

776
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,159
So he's going to make his debut for the company

777
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,800
on that card. No opponent yet, but he's a very

778
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,840
good looking, young twenty two year old junior walterweight, and

779
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,559
the card will also feature the return of Austin M.

780
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,199
L william the middleweight who, of course was one of

781
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:04,280
the top up and coming fighters and as we like

782
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,360
to talk about in otherwise bereft the division for the

783
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,519
most part. But he gave it great Yeah, well, he

784
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:11,360
gave it great account of himself in a rough loss

785
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,760
though again on the five versus five card on June

786
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,079
first in Saudi Arabia where he got knocked out by

787
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,559
knocked out by Hamsas Sharaz. And now if Sharaz goes

788
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:20,800
on to do it, I think a lot of people

789
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,000
think he can do a knockout loss at eleventh round

790
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,039
to Sharaz. It isn't gonna look so bad a couple

791
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:27,639
of years from now if Sharaz has done what we

792
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:29,199
think he can do in terms of being a champion.

793
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: All right, one more news item, and speaking of top rank,

794
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,480
they have signed a prospect. The name is one Mita

795
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,039
Lopez de Jesus. All right, So the name in and

796
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,559
of itself may not mean a lot I do see

797
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:44,800
on my Rayfield rundown. He was a Puerto Rican Olympian.

798
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,599
But it's who's his dad that's interesting. The lineage here

799
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,079
is interesting. Tell me more about this signing real quick.

800
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,079
Speaker 3: So his father is went by the nickname jan Ma

801
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:59,039
Lopez one Manuel Lopez for those who aren't familiar with him.

802
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,199
First of all, the son Jon Mita Lopez DeJesus, he's

803
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,360
eighteen years old. He's going to be fighting as a

804
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,800
junior bantamweight. He was a flyweight in the twenty twenty

805
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,199
four Olympics. He had a rough draw. I mean, he

806
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,599
had the worst draw. And it's one thing to lose

807
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,360
in your opening round match. But if there's ever such

808
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,559
thing as a forgivable loss in the opening round match,

809
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,559
it's this one because he had literally the worst draw

810
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,079
that you could get. Here's a kid that's eighteen years

811
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:27,800
old and his first round matchup is with hasenboy Dusmantov,

812
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,199
who had won the gold medal in twenty twenty in

813
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,280
the delayed twenty one Games in Tokyo and is coming

814
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,000
back now to go for a second gold medal. He's

815
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,880
been one of the great amateurs in boxing for a

816
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,880
very long time. He's got a handful of professional fins.

817
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:45,480
This is like a man versus a boy in Dsmotov

818
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,000
won the fight in the Olympics and went on to

819
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,880
win a second gold medal. So no harm or no

820
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,719
nothing bad to say about the eighteen year old kid

821
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,599
getting bounce in the first round, but a lot of

822
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,039
people were interested in signing him. You know, one thing

823
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,360
I have thought about is since the paras Olympics ended,

824
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,360
usually there's a rush, you know, within the month or

825
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,960
so or a couple of weeks, a few weeks after

826
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,639
the games, where you see a lot of the big

827
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,199
promoters they start to sign some of the metal winners

828
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,679
or even the non metal winners to promotion contracts. And

829
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,400
I'm not saying that none of them have signed, but

830
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,119
I've yet to hear about anything substantial at all. The

831
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:18,519
big promoters haven't signed anybody yet. You know, you've not

832
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:22,880
seen a No. Mattroom hasn't signed Olympians. Frank Warren, Golden Boy.

833
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,800
You know, PBC Top rank, nobody until now Top rank

834
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,679
has signed. This kid won me to Lopez Deezus, But

835
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,159
his father was very familiar to fans and also at

836
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,400
the top rank because Top rank promoted one Manual Lopez.

837
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,960
For most of his career. He was a pro and

838
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,039
one of the top junior featherweights and featherweights during the

839
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,519
two thousands. He was a professional and was a big

840
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,239
puncher of south paw. Also a Puerto Rican Olympian. Interesting

841
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,880
stat here, TJ first time ever in Puerto Rico that

842
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,039
there's been a father and a son to both become Olympians.

843
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:55,960
So that's sort of a big thing. But the dad

844
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,559
fought from two thousand and five to twenty nineteen. He

845
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,840
was involved in some tremendous backs titles on HBO on

846
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,119
Showtime and was a popular figure. Didn't maybe quite get

847
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:07,760
to the level where we could include him like on

848
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,920
our say our top you know ten or twelve or

849
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,960
fifteen all time Puerto Ricans, but he's probably in the

850
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,360
top twenty. Won the titles in two weight classes at

851
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,840
Classic battles with Orlando Toledo. You know, fought Mikey Garcia,

852
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,639
fought a lot of good guys, got some good wins,

853
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,480
got some rough losses. But this is his son who's

854
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,480
going to turn pro. They'll turn them pro at the

855
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,239
beginning at sometime in early twenty twenty five. And that

856
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,679
was the signing that they announced this week, and not

857
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,519
to me. You know, that's that's a very interesting signing

858
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:35,079
for top rank.

859
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff.

860
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,119
Speaker 2: Now we get to some nostalgia, and wow, how about

861
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:44,000
this heavyweight title nostalgia.

862
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: But from a while ago, on.

863
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,679
Speaker 2: Wednesday of this week, September twenty five, sixty two years ago,

864
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,840
September twenty five, nineteen sixty two, the Sonny Liston became

865
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,000
the heavyweight champion of the world with a first round

866
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:04,920
ko of Floyd Patterson. And you talk about fearsome fighters,

867
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,119
he was as fearsome a fighter for that three or

868
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:08,960
four years that he had the belt, two three four

869
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,880
years that he had the belt, and his reign began

870
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,360
sixty two years ago earlier this week, I even know

871
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,519
this for those that questioned whether or not Liston's first

872
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,079
round knockout of Patterson in their first fight was a fluke.

873
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,079
When they fought again, he destroyed him in the first

874
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:26,639
round just to make everybody understand, this guy's got nothing.

875
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:29,079
Speaker 1: I'm going to detroy him again. But the point is

876
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,039
he became the.

877
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:33,559
Speaker 2: Champ, the heavyweight champ, the biggest of deals in boxing,

878
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:35,639
sixty two years ago this.

879
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,599
Speaker 3: Year, at a time when boxing was still a top

880
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,280
notch premost part. He actually didn't rain as long as

881
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,960
you think he did. He won that title what we're

882
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,400
talking about on the anniversary in nineteen sixty two, by

883
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,679
a first round knockout of Floyd Patterson at Tamiski Park

884
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,800
in Chicago. By the way, how about that a city

885
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,239
that doesn't have a lot of boxing of consequence these days.

886
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,079
In any event, that was in September of nineteen sixty two.

887
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,119
He only held the title until February of nineteen sixty

888
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,480
four before he lost in the first fight. Two. Then

889
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:04,920
Casius Clay became Mohamed Ali when he's so called remember

890
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,280
and wagging his fingers staying I shook up the world.

891
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:09,679
So it wasn't that long of a title reign. But

892
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,199
the thing that's kind of crazy about Listen he was

893
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,280
a big puncher coming up and continue to knock people out.

894
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,239
But he's really most famous for these four fights in

895
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,239
this brief period from end of sixty two to middle

896
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,199
of sixty five. KO one against Patterson to win the title,

897
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,639
won successful defense against Patterson, and at KO one who

898
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,960
knocked down three times. That was one of the first

899
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,280
big title fights in Las Vegas actually in nineteen sixty three.

900
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:36,360
And then in his first in his second defense after

901
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,880
beating Patterson, that's when he lost to Cashus Clay became

902
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,440
Muhammad Ali in the famous I Shook Up the World fight,

903
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,320
and then of course the controversial first round knockdout loss

904
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,639
to Muhammad Ali in the rematch, where there's been a

905
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:51,719
lot of debait and questions for decades about whether he

906
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,960
was influenced by the Mafia. Did he throw the fight

907
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,199
the one that ended up taking place in Lewis and

908
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,800
mean after having had to be moved from Boston. But

909
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,440
the anniversary of when Sonny Listen was at his meanest, nastiest,

910
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:10,039
powerful best was destroying the Chinney but very popular floy

911
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,480
Patterson win the heavyweight championship, and back then there wasn't

912
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:16,039
four belts. You were the champ and that was it.

913
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,159
There was one heavyweight champion period. There wasn't a lot

914
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:21,920
other guys, you know, other guys to say also were champs.

915
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:23,719
He was the king of the world when he knocked

916
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,039
out Patterson and then did it again less than one

917
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:26,559
year later.

918
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,519
Speaker 2: And bear in mind, we talk about this all the

919
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:33,920
time that at that time in sports, it was primarily

920
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,679
baseball as the most important, most prominent thing of any

921
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,079
of the big sports, but boxing and the heavyweight champion

922
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,880
was so mainstream. This was the biggest of big deals.

923
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,159
This is the lineage of Rocky Marciano before this, Joe

924
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,280
Louis before that, this was the biggest, and eventually Cashius

925
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,320
Clay Muhammad Ali right after listing big.

926
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: One thing about this, the reason why they had the

927
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,679
immediate rematch is that, you know, I know, we bitch

928
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,440
and moan a lot today about all the guy has

929
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,280
a rematch clause? Why does he have a rematch clause?

930
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,159
To my knowledge, I mean, I may be wrong about this,

931
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:06,719
but this is like one of the first fights where

932
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,159
there was a rematch clause in the contract. The reason

933
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,480
why Floyd Patterson got the immediate rematches because he had

934
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:14,039
the right two to do so in his contract. Then

935
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:15,840
obviously it turned out to be a bad move because

936
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,199
he lasted less than two rounds and two fights against

937
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,000
Sonny Listen.

938
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: Uh the same song, second verse could have got better

939
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,000
or only got worse?

940
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: As the ly goes, he knocked him out again. I

941
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,679
would you know what?

942
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,119
Speaker 2: I would have lost money to you that Liston only

943
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:34,679
fought one title defense before he fought Ali, after beating

944
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,360
Patterson the two times, the second Patterson fights the only

945
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,519
title defense. How about that nostalgia and the trivia, and

946
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,880
there's so much that that Showtime documentary was phenomenal on

947
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,880
Sonny Liston's life, Charles Sonny Listen and whether or not

948
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,960
he threw the Ali fight, and whether or not the

949
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,239
mob fixed that fight and how they might have done it.

950
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,239
And then Listen ends up dead suspicious circumstances at his

951
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,199
home in Vegas, where he had been dead for several

952
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,440
days with his wife out of town, and there's a

953
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,559
lot of belief that it was the mob getting rid

954
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:10,119
of him to cover everything up. There's a lot there

955
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,079
if you want to go back and research and YouTube

956
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,159
it up and go watch that documentary on Charles Sonny

957
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,840
list in one more p do you.

958
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,039
Speaker 3: Can watchak to watch both of the Patterson fights in

959
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:19,960
less than like five minutes.

960
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: That's true.

961
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,559
Speaker 2: Very quickly, and understand how menacing I mean before Mike Tyson.

962
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,519
This guy was like a menacing version of Mike Tyson

963
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:27,000
in the early sixties, for.

964
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Speaker 1: What that's worth.

965
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:31,199
Speaker 2: All right, let's move way forward to two thousand and nine,

966
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,440
and as we released the podcast, it was fifteen years

967
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,400
ago Friday. We've had a lot of Clitchkow brothers in

968
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,599
the nostalgia. This is the tally clitch Goo and a

969
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:44,480
knockout of Chris Ariola with you there in Los Angeles,

970
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,000
September twenty sixth two thousand and nine. What do you

971
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:51,480
remember fifteen years later about that WBC heavyweight title fight,

972
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:52,360
HBO fight.

973
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Speaker 1: You were there.

974
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: This was a big freaking deal at the time. Remember

975
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,599
Vladimir Klitchko was still there, of course in the heavyweight

976
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:04,079
division doing his thing, but his brother vitally had retired

977
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,159
because of injuries, had a cancel fight against Hassim Rockman.

978
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:11,159
This is back in two thousand and what the early

979
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:13,320
part of twoousand and five, I guess it must have been.

980
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And he retired for like four years basically, and when

981
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,719
he came back, he made use of the WBC's labeling

982
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,119
him a champion in recess or an Ameritis champion or

983
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,159
whatever it was. And he got the next shot when

984
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:26,599
he decided to come out of retirement when he was

985
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:29,199
healed up, he had back injuries, he had a knee injury. Anyway,

986
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,320
in his first fight back, he absolutely destroyed Sam Peter

987
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,199
in an Asia of Rokka and started to defend the title.

988
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,840
But the first title when he won was in Germany,

989
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,280
and he fought another defense that was in Germany against

990
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,280
the former cruiserweight champion Jian Carlos Gomez. But now he's

991
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,920
coming back to America. Remember he was living at that

992
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,199
time in Los Angeles, or was making his life in

993
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,440
La As. He was, you know, as one of his

994
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,480
children was born in Los Angeles. He was really sort

995
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:54,800
of adopting la as his home, even though now obviously

996
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,079
he had you know, back several years ago, went back

997
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,199
to Ukraine and now he's the mayor in Kiev. But anyway,

998
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,840
at this time, it was like a big deal because

999
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Chris Ariola was undefeated He was the great hope of

1000
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,519
the let's say, the Southern California Mexican Americans Mexican fan

1001
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:12,559
base that he could become the first Mexican, a Mexican

1002
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,360
American heavyweight champion. Obviously, he didn't do that. It ended

1003
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,519
up being Andy Ruiz that did that, you know, many

1004
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,119
years later. But Ariola at the time was the big hope.

1005
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,519
He was twenty seven and oho going into this fight.

1006
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,760
He was a very very top notch contender. He'd gotten

1007
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,360
a lot of airtime on the networks and they made

1008
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,400
this fight for Staple Center. Was a big HBO event.

1009
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,719
As you mentioned, there was a lot of people that

1010
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,559
thought Chris Ariola had a hell of a chance to

1011
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,239
win this fight because the perspective from some people was, well,

1012
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,480
you know, klitchkow, he'd been off for a long time. Yeah,

1013
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,280
I know, he'd beat Peter, but Gomez was a really

1014
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,719
a cruiserweight, and you know, how's he gonna do against

1015
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,079
a real hard punching heavyweight like Chris Ariola, particularly where

1016
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:50,119
Ariola is going to be like the crowd favorite and

1017
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,599
all this, and he had Dan Goosen as promoter, who

1018
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,840
talked this thing up as good as you can talk

1019
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,079
up a fight, and then the bell rang and Klitchko

1020
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,719
absolutely pummeled and overized and destroyed and beat down Chris Ariola,

1021
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,880
who was in you know, a lot of times maybe

1022
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,880
didn't come in the greatest condition for his fights, and

1023
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:10,239
you know he admits that, but for this fight, he

1024
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,920
was ready for this fight. It did a big amount

1025
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,960
of people on HBO. This is back in the day.

1026
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,880
They did like over two million viewers for this fight

1027
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,079
on the live HBO fight at Staples Center. But a

1028
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,480
lot of people, I remember that building was was hopping

1029
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,440
that night. And in the end though, he just delivered

1030
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,880
so much punishment to Chris Ariola, who didn't really win

1031
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,000
around it didn't seem to me looking at the scores

1032
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:33,840
on the official cards now that I see it here,

1033
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:38,159
one judge had a shutout. Two judges had given Ariola

1034
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:40,400
one round, but he had just taken so much that

1035
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,000
at the end of the tenth round they pulled the

1036
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,079
plug and called the fight. And it was just a dominating,

1037
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:48,320
huge victory at that time for Vitalic clitch who went

1038
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,119
on then to make a number of other defenses. But yes,

1039
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,880
what do I remember, Here's what I remember specifically, It

1040
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,039
wasn't about the fight. It was the post fight, sitting

1041
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:01,440
in the chick Hern chick Hern media room, article done

1042
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,000
and trying to transmit my article to my people at

1043
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,119
ESPN and having a dramatic meltdown with my laptop. And

1044
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,360
I'm gonna give him a shout out, my boy, Dougie Fisher,

1045
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,480
editing chief now of The Ring magazine.

1046
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:18,519
Speaker 2: We we love doug Fisher, we love the Ring, but

1047
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:20,320
you've loved him a lot longer for this reason.

1048
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: Keep going.

1049
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,559
Speaker 3: So Dougie Fisher hooked me up with the what do

1050
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,199
you call that thing? The I don't know what it's called,

1051
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,719
where you can take your content to your your file.

1052
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,119
What is it? A thumb drive? A thumb drive, right,

1053
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:32,960
a thumb drive. So we was able to hook the

1054
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,320
thumb drive up to my laptop or a memory stick.

1055
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,360
Oh yeah, I fire whatever it was and get to

1056
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:41,400
get my story off of my laptop onto the drive

1057
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,519
and then put it into his laptop and then send

1058
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:46,199
it to my office so I can get my story in.

1059
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:49,760
And so after clits, go beat down Chris al Chris Ariel.

1060
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,880
That night, it was Dougie Fisher who saved my ass

1061
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,119
in the press room to get my story into ESPN

1062
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:55,920
the night. So I was forever grateful.

1063
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: Building a building that was known more for Shaq and Kobe,

1064
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,599
and Kobe with the assist to Shack, but we remember

1065
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,519
Magic and Kareem. If you if you followed the Lakers,

1066
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,159
you're more of a Knicks guy in a New York guy.

1067
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,199
But the assist that night doug Fisher, Dougie Fisher from

1068
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,480
the ring helping out Dan Rayfield the night and was

1069
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:14,679
down Ariola.

1070
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,199
Speaker 3: That was a very big win for Klitchkow. Remember the

1071
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,440
last time he had fought at Staples Center was a

1072
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,599
couple of years earlier before it, like four years earlier,

1073
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,199
which I was also at. That's when he won the

1074
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,000
vacant ws PC title in a tremendous underrated heavyweight UH

1075
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:33,239
brawl really against the South African Corey Sanders. And a

1076
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,840
couple of fights before that was when he had the

1077
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,920
classic where he lost by because of a of a

1078
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,280
cut over his eye, a terrible cut in the very

1079
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,320
classic battle with Lennox Lewis. So he has some interesting

1080
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,039
history at the Staple Center. A tremendous battle with Lewis

1081
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,920
and the loss, wins the title in a brawl underrated

1082
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,320
brawl against Sanders and then had the one sided beat

1083
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,840
down against the undefeated Ariola that a lot of people

1084
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,239
thought might have the chance, and uh, you know he

1085
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,320
made He made a name for himself big time in

1086
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:58,840
that building.

1087
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: Great stuff all the way around again, plenty of preview.

1088
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,800
The ESPN Top Rank Show again is Friday night in

1089
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,639
New York, as we released this Thursday night into Friday morning.

1090
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:14,360
Get ready for our handicapping of that card. Further on

1091
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,480
the bet US Boxing Show one Eastern time Friday on

1092
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:22,400
their platforms and their YouTube again for the British Women's

1093
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,679
World Title Fight WBO Women's Lightweight Title Fight. That's Saturday

1094
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,039
afternoon US time with Rihanna Dixon and Terry Harper the

1095
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:33,079
Matchroom des Own Show. We'll handicap that one as well.

1096
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:37,159
Good news, good nostalgia. Hey, the power stayed on in

1097
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,280
my place with Hurricane Helene again. This is gonna be

1098
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,599
nasty overnight Thursday into Friday. Stay safe, everybody in like

1099
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:47,320
the Florida Panhandle, Georgia, I mean Rayfield. This thing's gonna

1100
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,079
rocket all the way through Georgia into Tennessee and Kentucky

1101
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:52,079
all on Friday.

1102
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: So I don't know where all they're hearing us in

1103
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,920
the Deep South, ETCEPTA.

1104
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,079
Speaker 2: Everybody stay safe with that and we'll get ready for

1105
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:03,000
the boxing, the of fights this weekend and whatever happens, let's.

1106
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Come off the weekend. God willing with a Fight preach

1107
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:06,079
Unite recap podcast.

1108
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 3: Sound good to you, that's good to me.

1109
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:10,679
Speaker 1: We love all of that. He is our insider, Dan Rayfield.

1110
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: Why are you not following and subscribing on the Dan

1111
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,559
Rayfield substack Fight preach Nite substack and to the newsletter

1112
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,719
Follow and subscribe to this podcast feed. We preview going

1113
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,840
into the weekend. We recap coming off the weekend. I'm

1114
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,960
TJ Reach for Dan Rayphield. Thank you for being with

1115
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:26,039
us on the Big Fight Weekend Preview