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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up to help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode,

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<v Speaker 2>I got Jin the Ninja and Ethan Indigo joining me

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<v Speaker 2>with a guest. Uh, first we'll let Jin and Ethan

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<v Speaker 2>introduce themselves. Jin the Ninja, what is going on? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for coming on. Let everybody know

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Well? Thanks boss. I was like to say, mister thirty

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<v Speaker 4>three or ninety three. So I have a show called

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<v Speaker 4>Threshold Saints. It's about speculative I call serial experiments and

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<v Speaker 4>speculative ontology. So we talked about metamagic, meta history and

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<v Speaker 4>metafiction all mixed together. And so yeah, you can check

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<v Speaker 4>out out on x Twitter at Ukongriborn w Uk and

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<v Speaker 4>g Reborn or the show count at Threshold Saints and

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<v Speaker 4>IG is the same. And thank you very much, Nick

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<v Speaker 4>and Ethan and doctor Jordan Barber. You know, it's really

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<v Speaker 4>cool to be invited on these kind of smaller panel

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<v Speaker 4>shows with other ocult tasts or mystics or I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how you identify Jordan, but yeah, I'll say that,

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<v Speaker 4>so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course, yeah, and Ethan Indigo, my man.

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<v Speaker 2>Let everybody know what you deal with where they can

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<v Speaker 2>find all your books look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you guys so much for including me to this. Jordan,

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<v Speaker 3>I know this is going to be awesome from just

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<v Speaker 3>talking to you briefly. Always an honor to be with

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<v Speaker 3>Nick and Jin. I have a few books online, and

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<v Speaker 3>I have an article on the Occult Research Institute website,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, and I'm easy to find on social media,

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<v Speaker 3>so I always appreciate people reaching out.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, thank you very much for contributing to the site.

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<v Speaker 2>And definitely check out. And he's got a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>books out that he never promotes, so go check him out,

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<v Speaker 2>and then.

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<v Speaker 3>If people look, they'll find it. I got esoteric and

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<v Speaker 3>even exoteric stuff out there, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely check it out. And finally the guests, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that have been bugging to come on the show for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, somebody a new personally. We definitely had some

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<v Speaker 2>wild experiences together in the past. Uh. Finally, doctor Jordan Barber, Jordan,

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on, my man? Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>for finally making it here.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's been at least two years

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<v Speaker 1>You've been bugging me on this at least, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess finally we got around to it. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like Nick said, I'm doctor Jordan Barber. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a chronic pain expert and Chinese medicine practitioner, and I

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<v Speaker 1>normally talk about those things, but here I think I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about the other side of medicine and

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare and spirituality and how they intertwine. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>find me practically on Anywhere's j barbar l A C.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>You some nice and you oh you should. You did

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<v Speaker 2>put out a well you have put out books too.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know if you want to promote that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I'm not big on the the ego

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<v Speaker 1>stuff because I feel like my spirit animals more cy

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<v Speaker 1>so like the moment eating my ego, it gets bigger

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<v Speaker 1>and bigger and bigger. Yeah, I'm a I'm a best

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<v Speaker 1>selling author for one hour on Amazon, uh business category,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh you know, I've published a few articles. You

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<v Speaker 1>can find me in pub med so I can pretend

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<v Speaker 1>to be an academic if you want. Yeah, those things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let me let me put a hand and

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<v Speaker 1>glove on in the background now and listen to dismiss.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. Well, thank you, thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I don't even know, Like Jen Ashy, like

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<v Speaker 2>what would you what would you consider you so optimistic

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<v Speaker 2>or spiritualist?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was thinking about that. I'm like, at

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<v Speaker 1>this point human you know, I I've killed all my idols.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, I don't care about orders. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care about anything, not in a nihilistic way. But I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like at a certain point, you practice and you

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<v Speaker 1>do the things, and who really cares? You know that?

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me think of like the the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, spirituality is in something you carve out of

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<v Speaker 1>a day to do, right, You don't Now, I pray

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<v Speaker 1>and then I go be an asshole. Right, It's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I do the thing and I hold it inside and

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<v Speaker 1>I become that thing. And therefore, you know, magic or

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<v Speaker 1>anything is the thing that you're always doing. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>you could be you know, taking a pee and conducting

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<v Speaker 1>magic somehow if you really were in his zone. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've kind of passed the idea of like

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<v Speaker 1>what am I mostly because if you ask me every day,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a different title.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so I understand that I found that interesting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of funny. I even said that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>taking a pee. But you know, we were mentioning before

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, I think before we're recording about like

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<v Speaker 2>staying fit or like really you know, not working in

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<v Speaker 2>some court some sort of like exercise. And even for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I've noticed for going to the gym regularly, it almost

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<v Speaker 2>starts to become And it's funny. I noticed this because

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<v Speaker 2>of James Wasserman saying that he thought the LBRP was

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<v Speaker 2>actually like physical meditation once you get into the zone

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<v Speaker 2>with it. And I had started like realizing that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what happens once I start working out, especially like

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<v Speaker 2>when I have my own regimen and like what I

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm doing, and I have the certain exercises I

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm doing every time, it almost becomes like a

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<v Speaker 2>physical meditation. And I will be honest, some of the

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<v Speaker 2>best ideas really either coming from the shower or when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm working out in the gym and just zoned out

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<v Speaker 2>and doing what I'm doing and kind of like not

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about ten million things at once. I even find

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<v Speaker 2>that to be a.

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<v Speaker 1>Betterfit, you know. So the Chinese have us saying busy

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<v Speaker 1>outside still inside. So the more you're moving and doing

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<v Speaker 1>things to calmer the mind gets. There's an inverse to

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<v Speaker 1>that though, that's still the outside, the more busy the

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<v Speaker 1>mind gets, which we've all probably experienced for meditation. So

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<v Speaker 1>doing the LBRP or any of those things definitely start

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<v Speaker 1>stealing the mind, especially with the focus and concentration, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think regarding in the Black books started talking a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about different ways to use the LBRP for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mental fitness, for getting rid of you know, negative emotions

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else. So I would agree there's definitely some

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<v Speaker 1>stuff there.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye did you want to like, Oh, go ahead, did

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<v Speaker 2>you want to ask them?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was just gonna say, what meditative movement would

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<v Speaker 3>you maybe endorse or suggest for I mean, the agent

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<v Speaker 3>to the athletic.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything that works.

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<v Speaker 2>But that got that.

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<v Speaker 1>So we all have different makeups, and our makeups change

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<v Speaker 1>at different times. Right. You know, if you're really pissed

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<v Speaker 1>off and angry, it takes a hell lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>make you common, in which case, deadlifts are probably the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to end meditation. Right if you think of

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<v Speaker 1>shallon training right before you sit in the meditative posture.

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<v Speaker 1>You do all your training right, so you move the

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<v Speaker 1>you know within Chinese mens and you move all the

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<v Speaker 1>cheap you open the channels, you calm the mind, then

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<v Speaker 1>you can sit in that meditation. So if you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot going on, you need to move, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to exercise, and it could be anything from heavy lifting

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<v Speaker 1>to running to jogging, and then steal that moment for

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<v Speaker 1>the meditation. That's what I would recommend is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever is necessary for a person. Grandma who's sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>and back and that might be good enough for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can probably sit and do you know badwan

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<v Speaker 1>jin or silk realing practice in the couch and a

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<v Speaker 1>seated position if they want it, because it's enough focus

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<v Speaker 1>just to look at you know, the motions and moving

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<v Speaker 1>and just these little dallions or guiding and leading practices

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<v Speaker 1>that are good enough for that person's metabolism. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why we need good teachers. You know

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<v Speaker 1>something that in the age of the Internet, we want

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<v Speaker 1>the teachers to be you know, whatever forum we read

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever book we read or anything else, which are

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<v Speaker 1>great to start, but you need someone who's been down

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<v Speaker 1>the path to show you and correct you.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I did want to ask if you didn't mind,

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<v Speaker 2>I do know, like what like when I first met

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<v Speaker 2>you doing acupuncture, I didn't know if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like just let people know, like some of

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<v Speaker 2>your experience within the healthcare and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had a weird So acupuncture in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to be cautious. You know, acupuncture is a

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<v Speaker 1>young profession in the US, and it came it came over.

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<v Speaker 1>It was imported over into more of the public consciousness

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<v Speaker 1>during the New Age movement, during the Transcendental movement, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties seventies. So unfortunately, we borrowed a lot from

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<v Speaker 1>that time period to understand Chinese medicine, right, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we get chi is energy. You know, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the definition in Chinese, but you know it's good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why suddenly Chokras rolled into it. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>there's crystals, and that's why a lot of acupuncturists are

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<v Speaker 1>very crunchy in granoli is. That's just how it made

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<v Speaker 1>its way in America. It doesn't mean it doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>and doesn't mean that we haven't done a good job

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<v Speaker 1>to encapsulate it. But there's it being a very second

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<v Speaker 1>There are some very good schools and there are some

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<v Speaker 1>so though that's starting to change, prevent the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the normal I guess shithing that would occur to someone

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<v Speaker 1>in medical training and seeing gravely sick people and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot. So for me, I entered the

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, it worked for me. I was sick,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in it went through nine to eleven. I

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<v Speaker 1>healing crisis and all this other stuff. I wound up

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<v Speaker 1>doing Chinese medicine because it helped me and when Western

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<v Speaker 1>medicine failed. But then when I was learning it, I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't really get it to work. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of bullshit, for lack of a better term,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of new age weird shit that like

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<v Speaker 1>was very western Western view of the orient. We say

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<v Speaker 1>oriental is a bad word. Now oriental medicine is his

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<v Speaker 1>whole term. But oriental means to orient oneself to the

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<v Speaker 1>east and view the east from the west, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what we did. So it's a very you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of better term, culturally appropriated, though that's not

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<v Speaker 1>my language set. We definitely did that with that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening with Araveda and all the other traditional systems here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was lucky to find my first teacher who

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<v Speaker 1>And I also embarked in cultivating and Dallas practices, and

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<v Speaker 1>based work, making acupuncture actually work, you know a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of things. I mean, I could go off on tangents forever,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's like the brief part of my you know spiel,

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<v Speaker 1>my soapbox of Chinese medicine. It's been about twenty years,

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<v Speaker 4>I personally, I was sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 4>He's from the diaspora, he's not from mainland, he's not

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<v Speaker 4>Diywist stuff, but it's it's kind of baked into a

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I think, you know, also looking at Chinese history,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always syncretic. And you know, from the tradition that

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<v Speaker 1>Dragon Gates lineage, which is the biggest one. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>of Chinese spirituality right now Confucianism, Dalism and Buddhism mixed together,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's syncretic already. And then depending on you have

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<v Speaker 1>and how they approach to lease externally the stuff internally

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's not so different, right, So you know my

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<v Speaker 1>rituals and you know that was all to work every

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mixed into it, which made it very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And prior to that, I did some Verishana like practices

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<v Speaker 1>and retreats, you know, because I was practicing or trying

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<v Speaker 1>to practice Buddhist meditation when I was younger. But for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I always thought I wanted to do the the exor

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<v Speaker 1>systems and stuff. And that comes from being like an

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<v Speaker 1>we all want to do that shit. We all want

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<v Speaker 1>to like, you know, do the lesser Kia Solomon and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make something appear and you know, go fetch

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<v Speaker 1>me some treasure and you know a hot girl.

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<v Speaker 1>None of that stuff worked when I was younger, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>although weird things did occur, but I thought that would

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<v Speaker 1>be cool. The way I would say is from seeing

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<v Speaker 1>an exorcism. It made me realize I never want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that again. And it made me realize that that

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<v Speaker 1>that sh it's real and I can scare the shit

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<v Speaker 1>out of you, like I wasn't sleep and right, so

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<v Speaker 1>I know, for me, I learned some of the practices

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<v Speaker 1>to see if there is you know, to borrow from

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholics, oppression, possession, et cetera. Right, and if I

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<v Speaker 1>notice it's there, I'm like, cool, that can stay there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not interested in it. I'll just try to get

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<v Speaker 1>them healthy and you know that's between them and they

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<v Speaker 1>could go find someone else. It's not my battle because

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<v Speaker 1>that shit's really fucking scary. Honestly, you know, it's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what you think you wanted to be when you're a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and hope it's not when you're an adult. So like

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<v Speaker 1>for me, we knew this one person, you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>lack of term, we said we would call it affectionately squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>Had some squirrels living inside the you know, their head,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the idea of squirrels in the attic, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're like, eh, whatever. So my teacher was actually

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<v Speaker 1>just treating them. They just came in, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of discussed, like I don't know, we

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<v Speaker 1>might have to approach the topic. And I hear a

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<v Speaker 1>big freaking noise and I shit you not, a sword

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<v Speaker 1>goes through the sheet rock wall. And I turned around

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<v Speaker 1>with the secretary up front, and I was like, the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck right, there's a sword through the wall. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the door just opens, like I hear, like prior to that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was hearing crazy ass noises in it, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I've given up on crazy noises, right, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot Dallas practices could get weird and whatever. And

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<v Speaker 1>the door just opened, So it's like, Jordan, could you

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<v Speaker 1>fetch me a box and then come in here and

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<v Speaker 1>just closes the door. And I'm like the fuck, But

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<v Speaker 1>I knew what that meant. It was a box's box

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<v Speaker 1>to trap the demons in or to hold them in, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because in this specific lineage, one of the things you

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<v Speaker 1>could do, so you can take these spirits or demons

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<v Speaker 1>and you could actually repurpose them to do good or

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<v Speaker 1>repurpose them to heal other people. One thing that could

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<v Speaker 1>consume the person's blood, which is where the spirit resides

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<v Speaker 1>in Chinese medicine, could also be repurposed to help someone

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<v Speaker 1>who has a blood based disorder or you know, severe

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<v Speaker 1>mental illness and everything else. So you capture them to

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<v Speaker 1>repurpose them, or you capture them to work for you,

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<v Speaker 1>to make you know, I mean, there's nothing new under

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<v Speaker 1>to side. So I had to find a box, which

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have, so I had to like run out

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<v Speaker 1>a hobby shop, and I'm like looking for this wooden

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<v Speaker 1>box like buy what. I come in and I get

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<v Speaker 1>in there, this this person is like you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the exorcist, like foaming, like moving writhing around in weird ways.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of shit was going on and there were

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<v Speaker 1>shards of glass everywhere that broke because of something, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was told to get the shards, get them in

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<v Speaker 1>the box while they were doing whatever, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like right out of Ghostbusters. It was like, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't look into the glass, did you? And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, like no, you shouldn't look into the glass.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, oh, okay, this is something to do

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<v Speaker 1>with like reflections and how it can like get into

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<v Speaker 1>your mind or whatever. Yeah, it was wild. It was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely wild. And then after that that person was like

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<v Speaker 1>a new human. It was bizarre. Like I sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a week later and they didn't even recall most

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<v Speaker 1>of it happening. They were just like, oh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you broke something in there, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to be the one to close up

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<v Speaker 1>the hole in the sheet rock because I was a

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<v Speaker 1>low man. Yeah that time, So like you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>next day, I'm in there with like speckle okay, like

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<v Speaker 1>that's normal. But you know we had gensing men running around,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so the ginsing roots can become alive and animated.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all these stories in Chinese law about that, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I used to think they were joking, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're mischievous. And then next thing, you know, like weird

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<v Speaker 1>then he reappears on a shelf that you left him at,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets really bizarre. You know, you start stepping

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<v Speaker 1>one foot into the other world. And you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>during a lot of the practices, we start doing what

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<v Speaker 1>They're different drinks that you make with herbs, made with incantations,

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<v Speaker 1>cooked at certain times, and drank on certain astrological days

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<v Speaker 1>to do certain things. And yeah, they put you in

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<v Speaker 1>a different place, and you know, you have to reintegrate

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<v Speaker 1>and the shit. You know, I've been a Western initiate

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<v Speaker 1>quite a long time in my life. The Eastern shit

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<v Speaker 1>has done more and more quicker than like anything that

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<v Speaker 1>I've encountered in the West. Now that might mean I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't do all the practices in the West, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe didn't have the right instructors, or you know, lodges

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<v Speaker 1>maybe give the information slowly or they don't have it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not knocking the West. I'm sure we have it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's interesting because I have spoken to Nick about

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<v Speaker 4>this and then obviously with Ethan on the panel is

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<v Speaker 4>like what opens the lock for you? And so for

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<v Speaker 4>me it was exactly like the same as it was

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<v Speaker 4>for you, Jordan. It was it took Vadon to sort

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<v Speaker 4>of bring me to that place. But I had, as

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<v Speaker 4>you joked, I had experimented with Gosha Solomon, all the

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<v Speaker 4>Keys of Solomon, both greater and lesser, lots of different

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of magical attacks, more leftime path modern occoultism, but

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<v Speaker 4>it really was Vadriana and just more of like letting

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<v Speaker 4>magic go and saying, yeah, that's okay, I don't need

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<v Speaker 4>to do that. But then I started having much more

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<v Speaker 4>profound experiences, No.

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree. I mean, the older I get, the

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<v Speaker 1>less I care about, you know, doing these things in

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<v Speaker 1>the more meditation and embodied work matters, so like Tumo

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, I think hold more of a

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<v Speaker 1>place now. I think when I was younger, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the Buddhist practices and some of those things that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just sit there and do the inner fire.

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<v Speaker 1>But now after lack of a better term, fucking around

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, fifteen twenty years in the West, I

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<v Speaker 1>realized that that stuff is key. And even in my

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<v Speaker 1>Western practices, without the Eastern practices and understanding how energy

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<v Speaker 1>moves in the body, I don't think I would have

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<v Speaker 1>had as much success as I did because we don't

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<v Speaker 1>really learn and I think we're talking about this before

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<v Speaker 1>we started. You know, in the West, it's rare that

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<v Speaker 1>we focused on the the body and cultivating the body

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<v Speaker 1>first and cultivating the mind. It's written everywhere. But then

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<v Speaker 1>we jump in and decide, you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get you know, a girlfriend, and I want to whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>so we you know, take the bacus god form and

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<v Speaker 1>go out to the pub. Might have done that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a good time about that. Yeah, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>was wild. But you know that's the stuff that we

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<v Speaker 1>decided to do in the West because I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not we're so far divorced from it, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that we need to perfect ourselves in our minds.

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe if this was fifty or sixty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>in like Catholic practices and stuff like, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of calming the body, calming the mind, devotional practices and

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. But we're so de christianized at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>for good and for worse, that I don't think we

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<v Speaker 1>see the importance now. We just want to fill ourselves

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<v Speaker 3>Which the cultural phenomenon. Not to get off track, but

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<v Speaker 3>they're very popular. Now I forget the term, but to.

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<v Speaker 1>What you said there, there's a bunch of a good friend,

419
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<v Speaker 1>a good friend of mine moved down to Florida, and

420
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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a series of unfortunate events. He was

421
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<v Speaker 1>always very like Pentecostal Christian, but more on the sane

422
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<v Speaker 1>side of things. Uh he lest I heard he was

423
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:16.680
<v Speaker 1>car washing the pastor's Porsche because that would be good

424
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<v Speaker 1>for him. And it was like fundraising for him because

425
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<v Speaker 1>it was that kind of like what there's a word

426
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.799
<v Speaker 1>for it, specific word for but it's like the you know,

427
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the money churches, but there's yeah, not the mega church.

428
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<v Speaker 1>There's there's a term for like spiritual like God's going

429
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<v Speaker 1>to give you money because that's what he wants you

430
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<v Speaker 1>to have. Well, here's the term. I can't remember it.

431
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<v Speaker 4>I believe they often call it prosperity gospel.

432
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, prosperity gospel, that's it. Yeah, prosperity gospel. I on

433
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<v Speaker 1>social media. Yeah, but I've never encountered something more demonic

434
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<v Speaker 1>in my life. And I was like, I can actually

435
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:12.079
<v Speaker 1>identify what's demonic, and that's pretty freaking demonic like that,

436
00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:14.799
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the pedophiles in the churches, those are

437
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:17.799
<v Speaker 1>the two demonic things. But like the church isn't actually demonics,

438
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:21.839
<v Speaker 1>just the pedos. But like those churches, the prospect, that's

439
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.920
<v Speaker 1>just pure evil because it's it. It's a parasite and

440
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>sucks the last hope out of people who have lost

441
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 1>their hope. It's sickening, it's cancer.

442
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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing I find with that, it just makes

443
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:40.079
<v Speaker 2>you latch onto the things you're supposed to let go. Yeah,

444
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.839
<v Speaker 2>but they're the backwards it's backwards.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I mean who are they feeding. I don't

446
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.680
<v Speaker 1>know which spirit from the gatia that is. We take guesses,

447
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 1>but I mean and then we call and like that

448
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>ain't me. That ain't me.

449
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<v Speaker 2>You know, you know that's a big guy.

450
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, we can go forever, you know, And

451
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:05.319
<v Speaker 1>that's that's something you know I mentioned I want to

452
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about. It's like, you know, where spirituality has its

453
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<v Speaker 1>place and healing and health right, And I think we

454
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<v Speaker 1>see it like you know, I don't know Jim and

455
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<v Speaker 1>Ethan if you guys were you know, involved in lodges

456
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.160
<v Speaker 1>or groups and stuff. But Nick and I have seen

457
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.039
<v Speaker 1>it where like people will come to certain you know,

458
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>lodges or groups and they're seeking for something, whether they're

459
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.279
<v Speaker 1>they're you know, sick, or they're you know, maybe they

460
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 1>don't have friends for whatever reason, you know, or they're

461
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.839
<v Speaker 1>outcasts or whatever, and they think by joining a magical

462
00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:44.960
<v Speaker 1>group they're going to get all the powers and suddenly

463
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>change their lives. And conversely, we can see on like Instagram,

464
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, who do people and whatever selling sorcery to

465
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.400
<v Speaker 1>fix your love life, get your you know, husband or

466
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<v Speaker 1>wife back or whatever, or break up someone right for

467
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:08.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, only three thousand dollars. And we also have

468
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:13.279
<v Speaker 1>that same predatorial stuff in medicine, where you know, when

469
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>people get sick, you take tonightis right, bringing of the ears,

470
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:20.559
<v Speaker 1>there's no known cure. I happen to suffer from a

471
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>small bout of it, but there's no known cure to it.

472
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Cognitive behavior therapy is all we have. There's Tonight's retraining

473
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 1>therapy that habituates you to the sound, that doesn't make

474
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the sound go away. There's people all over selling courses

475
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>telling you you just need to go keto carnivore, you

476
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>just need to cut out. I don't know orange juice.

477
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything right. Everyone's selling something or buy

478
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.640
<v Speaker 1>this weird supplement or this three thousand dollars course way.

479
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 1>They tell you it's just your emotions, and I'm sure

480
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 1>emotions have something to do with Tonight's. But there's so

481
00:27:55.160 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 1>much predatory stuff happening in spirituality and then the occult,

482
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think people, you know, I don't want to

483
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:05.759
<v Speaker 1>say we need the gatekeep it because that's the wrong term,

484
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>but I think there needs to be more awareness of like, hey,

485
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 1>if you can't eat now, it's not the time to

486
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 1>join a lotch, you know. And in some lodges they

487
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>are like that, if you can't afford, they do assess

488
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.519
<v Speaker 1>you and stuff like that. So I'm not knocking any

489
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>particular group. But then you know, you have her Reddit,

490
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:28.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, mages who you know, I think they know

491
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>everything and they can't manifest anything. And they're you know,

492
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>losing their mind because they're upset about what Trump tweeted today.

493
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 1>And that's not the sign of a person who's got

494
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>control of their mind, regardless of how you feel about Trump.

495
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.079
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, that's an I'm not going to get

496
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 2>like specifics in it again, but that was the thing

497
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that was blowing in my mind when I was telling

498
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>you prior where I had a guy from the Extra

499
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 2>More Gentleman who I think had his own line flipping

500
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 2>out and spasing out in emails to me over a

501
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.160
<v Speaker 2>guest that I had on literally because they're booking agent whoever,

502
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.319
<v Speaker 2>they had asked me, would you like to have they on?

503
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>He just brought out a book. Blah blah blah. Yo,

504
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>you're coming at me like I was boys with this dude,

505
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Like what is wrong with you? It was insane. I'm like,

506
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is not the sign of somebody like showing,

507
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, doing the great.

508
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Work and one get a better PR agent. So do

509
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 1>better work to get to be a better PR agent.

510
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Get on this podcast.

511
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:21.039
<v Speaker 4>You know.

512
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Two like catch more you know what's it? Catch more

513
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>flies of honey right than vinegar or whatever it is.

514
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't really notice saying, but like, don't be an asshole?

515
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Why is ever you ocultist an asshole?

516
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 3>Yo?

517
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Remember I don't know if it's still the same way,

518
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.720
<v Speaker 2>but like I remember, I think even me, you and

519
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I think Mike and uh so other people have even

520
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 2>noticed it. Like back in the day, if you were

521
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.240
<v Speaker 2>to go on like any thlemic Facebook group, it was

522
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 2>just like a fucking shit shot. It's like everybody was

523
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>just arguing. It was like, why don't you just pull

524
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>out your Dickson and she was got the biggest one

525
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and get it over with, like theoll. This is is

526
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>like an ego fest. It was so horrible, it was

527
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 2>like laughable.

528
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I can take a guest to sirtain extent. So in

529
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>the Trunchon sect of Daoism, you have to balance both

530
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the mind as well as the body or cultivating power.

531
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>If you just focus on say left handed stuff which

532
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 1>fills you with power whatever the hell what power means?

533
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>It builds up the ego and it builds up the thought,

534
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't cultivate the mind to be able to

535
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:28.319
<v Speaker 1>have discrimination discernment and to know how to relax and

536
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 1>to channel that stuff. Left handed path things where actually

537
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the lima actually is quite balanced. It is

538
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I would say, a middle path. It's just that most

539
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of the people will practice it like the left handed stuff,

540
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>because it's sexy. It's fun. Literally, it's sexy sex. Right,

541
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.039
<v Speaker 1>So they start doing more and more of these things,

542
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 1>so they start having all the crappy parts of their

543
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>psyche come to the surface because they didn't rarefy themselves

544
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 1>and verify their mind, that's my guess, and then they

545
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 1>think and do it. That will means whatever the fuck

546
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I want, it must be right, because I'm a star. Meanwhile,

547
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>they're like barely a star, barely dwindling any light because

548
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:21.039
<v Speaker 1>they're so messed up. That would be my guess, But

549
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

550
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I remember there was I think I've even said the phrase,

551
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 2>and even I probably quoted you that I got it

552
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.559
<v Speaker 2>from you. You said to me one time that if

553
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.559
<v Speaker 2>you keep like there was somebody we knew that you

554
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.759
<v Speaker 2>used to like dealing with demons quite often, and in

555
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, it was quite it was quite obvious that

556
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.039
<v Speaker 2>life wasn't going like right either. And I said to

557
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 2>me one time that you play with you play with

558
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 2>shit enough, you're gonna start to smell like it.

559
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that's true. I mean to borrow from my

560
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 1>first teacher. It's like, you know, if you hang out

561
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 1>with demons, you get demon g right, because you know,

562
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the vibration of the thing that you play with becomes

563
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>part of your vibration. Right, So you know, we know,

564
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 1>in like normal nomenclature, what's it. You know you are

565
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>of the five people that you spend the most time with.

566
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Just it's it's true. You know, if you hang around losers,

567
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 1>you're also a loser. You know, if you hang around

568
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.119
<v Speaker 1>people are constantly hustling, you're going to be hustling because

569
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.759
<v Speaker 1>you need to catch up with them. So the circle

570
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 1>that you keep is the energy that you keep, It's

571
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the vibration. If the company you keep spiritually is demons,

572
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>you get demon g You get demon energy, and then

573
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:38.039
<v Speaker 1>you really can't wonder why your life is falling apart.

574
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, you might be happy because that's the energy

575
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 1>you want. But you look at the demon Altrey people, right,

576
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.160
<v Speaker 1>those are the people that do demon work. But it's

577
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 1>they just do like incantations for specific demons and they

578
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>build relationships with them and whatnot. You know, and it's

579
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a valid path. But I remember going during COVID, you

580
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of free time right now. I remember

581
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>going down the rabbit hole watching the YouTube videos of

582
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the demon ultry practitioners and a lot of them. I

583
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh lord, you need you need mental health

584
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>counseling like not demon and a diet, you know, like

585
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>that's the other thing. You know, body temple, right, you

586
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>don't you don't have to be like lean and fit.

587
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 1>But if you can't move and can't breathe, the energy

588
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.519
<v Speaker 1>ain't moving through you that well, you know, so what

589
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>are you doing? And like you can start doing certain

590
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.559
<v Speaker 1>magical practices or meditations to help you get your body better,

591
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 1>but that should be the first thing you do. You know,

592
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>you might be a fairly accomplished learned occult this, but

593
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.519
<v Speaker 1>if you weigh five hundred pounds, I promise you ain't

594
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.519
<v Speaker 1>doing much well. You're struggling to breathe, not for nothing.

595
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 2>I would even say that's just even a sign of handcuffs.

596
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.279
<v Speaker 2>The sign of handcuffs, I mean, you know, obviously something's

597
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.680
<v Speaker 2>got a holder. It's in an addiction. You can't be Yeah,

598
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that every you know, the magicians are cold

599
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 2>as don't have addictions. But that's quite obviously a bad,

600
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Speaker 2>harmful one that you.

601
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Have, Like and I'm not talking about having a little

602
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 1>weight on you.

603
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, I know what you mean.

604
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But like I've encountered, you know, people that don't shower, like, well,

605
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, what are you doing? You know, like if

606
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:27.559
<v Speaker 1>you want to make more friends.

607
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Shower you'll probably even just feel better.

608
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.679
<v Speaker 1>Right, I just dropped. I put on Weep this this

609
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.760
<v Speaker 1>winter because I had like some some hell stuff going on.

610
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Nothing crazy and nothing crazy as far as weep, but

611
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>it was a good extra ten pounds. And I'm a

612
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 1>small guy, you know, so ten pounds on me is

613
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 1>ten pounds. Dropping that ten pounds, I feel like a

614
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>million bucks. I sleep better, My sleep is more restorative.

615
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>It's wild, wild. I mean, I can.

616
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Speaker 3>See the glowing she in your face.

617
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>That's the uh.

618
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.840
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I can no. I can see you

619
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 3>have puffy cheeks. It's the cheek coming out.

620
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.519
<v Speaker 1>That's the uh the the expensive facial products that I

621
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 1>use getting no, no, no, I appreciate it.

622
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:23.119
<v Speaker 3>I've said this before, but it's so worth repeating. It's

623
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.480
<v Speaker 3>and I think actually Manly Manly p Hall said it

624
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<v Speaker 3>the best. It's impossible to control the mind with the mind.

625
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<v Speaker 3>It's really difficult, but possible to control the mind with

626
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<v Speaker 3>the body, right, So so getting getting to and it's

627
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<v Speaker 3>just like the root chakra and so forth, getting into

628
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<v Speaker 3>the very root of our you know, physical being is

629
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<v Speaker 3>a really powerful doorway if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and growth. Spiritual growth should be growth that's balanced, right,

631
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:01.519
<v Speaker 1>which means that you naturally grow into I want to

632
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<v Speaker 1>eat a little better, whatever that means to you, like

633
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't you know, have to be paleo whatever, but

634
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe it's not Ding Dong's and ho hosts, right,

635
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 1>So you want to eat a little better, and then

636
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 1>you start feeling better, and then your meditation becomes better,

637
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>and your energy becomes better. Everything should get better in

638
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>your life on a spiritual practice, and that could be

639
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>literally devotion to the Virgin Mary. It doesn't have to

640
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>be anything. If you are practicing and getting in touch

641
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<v Speaker 1>with something that whatever lack by a term source, it

642
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>will benefit your life. Well, your energy will change, just

643
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 1>like the demon she Well, instead, you're touching something that's

644
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>pure and holy or whatever, and you will start emanating that.

645
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, and I'm pretty sure holy doesn't look like

646
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.639
<v Speaker 1>chocolate hut. So you know, not, you know, and I'm

647
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.800
<v Speaker 1>not fat shaming, that's not what I know, right, I

648
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 1>don't want to pick on people, you know.

649
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<v Speaker 3>And to your point, what they're finding to be more

650
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:07.400
<v Speaker 3>important with health not necessarily what you eat, but that

651
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Speaker 3>you don't eat all that much.

652
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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, So I mean you have to the effects

653
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 1>of autophagy on intimate and fastating stuff like that. You

654
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<v Speaker 1>have there, you know, And there's another side that coin

655
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>now them getting really interested in of more optimizing Grandel cycles.

656
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>So when you eat fats, carbs, right, and protein, those

657
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.559
<v Speaker 1>are your main three macronutrients. When you have two of

658
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>them competing, right then, So if you're taking let's say,

659
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.280
<v Speaker 1>both carbs and fats at the same time like fettigenie

660
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 1>alfredo delicious, those are two super rich sources, that becomes

661
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 1>a major issue in the body, that creates inflammation, that

662
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>creates fatness. But if you just eat straight carbs, you

663
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>can actually fuel the body. And restricting carbs also has

664
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 1>some negative effects on some people depending on how their

665
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>mitochondria is. So it gets it gets wild, but ultimately

666
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>eating less crap and waiting until your full, you know,

667
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean waiting to you're hungry, and stopping when you're

668
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 1>full is good advice no matter what. And I think,

669
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, for spiritual people and people who want to

670
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>practice spiritual stuff should focus on things like that and

671
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.320
<v Speaker 1>say how do I feel? Write that in their journal.

672
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.679
<v Speaker 1>I ate this today. My meditation was shit. I had

673
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:33.400
<v Speaker 1>ten pops of coffee. I can't focus, you know, I've

674
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.199
<v Speaker 1>got my coffee down and I'm really upset by that.

675
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 1>But I noticed I feel better.

676
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 4>You know.

677
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<v Speaker 1>I've also stopped lifting heavy because now I'm forty five,

678
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and I realized, you know, I don't I'm five to seven,

679
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, so I mean, I'll say five eight when

680
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I got my shoes on, but like I'm five to seven,

681
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 1>three hundred and something pounds. It's not necessary for me anymore.

682
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.679
<v Speaker 1>I definitely was convinced it was. And I like lifting heavy.

683
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>But you know, paying attention to your body and not

684
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 1>competing with other people, keeping up with the joneses, but

685
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 1>just paying attention to how your body feels and what

686
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.039
<v Speaker 1>signals it's giving you, you know, I think is so

687
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 1>important and it's the foundation of a spiritual practice. You know,

688
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:17.159
<v Speaker 1>if you want to get better, you have to get

689
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 1>better in all regards and just simple practices will lead

690
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 1>you there. And if they're not leading you there, then

691
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 1>maybe your practice isn't working. Maybe you're just psyching yourself out.

692
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean regard he talks about it that every true

693
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>initiate on the path should have a therapist. Now you

694
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.199
<v Speaker 1>can get to define what a therapist means, but you

695
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>have to have someone that you're working through your shit with,

696
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:42.400
<v Speaker 1>or a friend that you can lean on that you're

697
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>really discussing your shit with, right, or some sort of

698
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>like reflective practice, And a lot of people aren't doing that,

699
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>you know. I think for me, one of the best

700
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 1>things I ever did, And took a long time for

701
00:39:56.360 --> 00:40:00.000
<v Speaker 1>me to get a therapist. And I was originally super

702
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.920
<v Speaker 1>anti therapy, but you know, shop for a therapist. That's

703
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>not you know, the lack of better term. You know,

704
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>someone is just gonna tell you, you know, oh, your bad

705
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.639
<v Speaker 1>habits are good, you know, or positive reinforcement of like

706
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.360
<v Speaker 1>your own identity, you know, someone it should just be like, yeah,

707
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 1>that's not good, you should change.

708
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh, ethan Agen, you got anything that you want

709
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to just say? I had a question.

710
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<v Speaker 4>I do, sorry about that, Thank you, Thank God. So

711
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<v Speaker 4>I thought the point about Telima being a middle path,

712
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:41.400
<v Speaker 4>I guess path or vehicle. It was really interesting and

713
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.960
<v Speaker 4>I've never really heard anyone express it like that. But

714
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.760
<v Speaker 4>actually my conclusion is also similar as someone who has

715
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<v Speaker 4>no affiliation with any order or anything like that, just

716
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 4>simply coming at it from like Varjoriana I guess perspective.

717
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 4>I've always felt like a lot of the coupleistic ideas

718
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 4>that Crowley and other people were talking about, they actually

719
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 4>make sense in a lot of ways. And maybe I

720
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.159
<v Speaker 4>don't agree with them particularly, but they make sense, so

721
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 4>there's a logic to it that I can follow. So

722
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 4>and I agree with you it's but people have the

723
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:18.760
<v Speaker 4>riety about the left hand path and what that is obviously,

724
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 4>just broadly. And I also agree with your point that

725
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 4>the like being engaged with well, the relationship with your deity,

726
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.239
<v Speaker 4>at least in Buddhism, is that it's a it's a

727
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.880
<v Speaker 4>dialogical relationship, but it arises partly from your mind. Maybe

728
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:38.280
<v Speaker 4>there's other power, maybe not, you know, sort of interstitial

729
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:43.280
<v Speaker 4>sort of thing. It's neither nor and so, yeah, if

730
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:47.360
<v Speaker 4>you engage with low things, low consciousness beings of low

731
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 4>consciousness or forms of low consciousness or the husk of

732
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 4>like you're putting all your devotion into a husk. Obviously

733
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.760
<v Speaker 4>that's not your mind is the carnel ground already. So

734
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 4>there's there's really no point to engage with the sort

735
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.880
<v Speaker 4>of negative forces because you're already gonna you're already gonna

736
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:07.960
<v Speaker 4>encounter them. So I agree with that, and I just

737
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 4>thought it was really interesting because my conclusion just from

738
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 4>a knowing Nick has been very similar.

739
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:18.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean so like because uh, thelem is

740
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<v Speaker 1>Western tantra. Well, thelema is nothing. Thelema is a is

741
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a concept, right, it's it's the book of the law,

742
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and you know, uh, practicing once will after knowing it.

743
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>So when we're talking about the AA d O T

744
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:39.199
<v Speaker 1>O thelemic orders, they tend to be Western tantra. Anytime

745
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 1>we say tantra, we think left handed vehicle. But you

746
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 1>know this one thing. The vehicle can be left handed,

747
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't mean it's only on the left. So

748
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>when we look at the Western traditions, whether it at

749
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Golden Dawn or you know, uh ohto AA type stuff,

750
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.480
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the lightning bulb path on the coplistic tree,

751
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>which is going between the left than right pillars back

752
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:04.159
<v Speaker 1>and forth, which creates the equilibrium as you travel up.

753
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Crowley himself said that you have to go to the

754
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>depths of hell to reach the highest heavens, paraphrasing completely.

755
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, you have to see both the ugly so

756
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.119
<v Speaker 1>that you can see, you know, all the beauty. So

757
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it has to That makes it a middle path. But

758
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people get stuck on one side because

759
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people don't want to face their ship.

760
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.599
<v Speaker 1>Ascending the tree is facing their ship, you know, which

761
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>is like what you were saying, Jen, you know it's

762
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna it's gonna pop up. You know, you're gonna become

763
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:39.239
<v Speaker 1>aware of your stuff. That's why I say it's middle.

764
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's a good point that you bring up with.

765
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've seen and I'm sure it's happening to myself.

766
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 2>You know a lot of times when I think when

767
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:49.679
<v Speaker 2>people do shadow work, unfortunately they don't up getting stuck.

768
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 2>I think, not really fixing it and kind of delving

769
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.519
<v Speaker 2>into their their issue even more.

770
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, the shadow work stuff sometimes some of it

771
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:04.039
<v Speaker 1>comes from like modern shamanistic stuff, which I don't think

772
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 1>has been perfected too well. And I think because there's

773
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.679
<v Speaker 1>some person I'm thinking of specifically that was doing a

774
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of it and got trapped in that shit forever.

775
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Also like ayahuasca and doing all the shadow work that

776
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 1>can come with that that comes out. Sometimes we can

777
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:28.079
<v Speaker 1>use our shadows to spiritually bypass right to make ourselves

778
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.800
<v Speaker 1>feel it's okay to feel shitty, and it's okay. Then

779
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm acting this way because I'm dealing with my shadows

780
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:39.239
<v Speaker 1>right now. I've seen a lot of that kind of

781
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.519
<v Speaker 1>a way or an excuse to be a shithead. And

782
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.760
<v Speaker 1>when you're dealing with your shadows, you are usually acting

783
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.280
<v Speaker 1>out a little bit anyway. So I mean it's part

784
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 1>partly true, but if it's going on for a year,

785
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.000
<v Speaker 1>that's you and then you know. The other part makes

786
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 1>me think of like kurk Obanes, like I missed the

787
00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>comfort of being sad, right, what's that scentless Apprentice the lyrics.

788
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.119
<v Speaker 1>It's like, sometimes we are so used to feeling like

789
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.880
<v Speaker 1>what however, shitty or emotional, or used to our current condition,

790
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:14.599
<v Speaker 1>that it feels forearm to feel different. So we gravitate

791
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 1>back to the thing that we know, because that's still

792
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.760
<v Speaker 1>really our overall energetic state. We're trying to shift energetic states,

793
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.679
<v Speaker 1>but the lower vibration is what we're still kind of

794
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 1>used to. I love your perspective.

795
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:38.400
<v Speaker 3>It's very dallast and isn't it interesting how we like

796
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<v Speaker 3>to in the West be hard on ourselves and maybe

797
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.599
<v Speaker 3>that redirects and being hard on others. And what I

798
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:50.320
<v Speaker 3>mean is like no pain, no gain, right, where in

799
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.599
<v Speaker 3>Taoism and Taichi it's this should be a process that

800
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.239
<v Speaker 3>is experience is wholly good. There should be no pain

801
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 3>in a knee, is in that mind and so forth

802
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:06.280
<v Speaker 3>should you should always kind of be progressing. So it's

803
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:07.559
<v Speaker 3>a wonderful.

804
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<v Speaker 2>To hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you know, the thing I would say is

806
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>my Dallas teachers were you know, it could be very blunt,

807
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.039
<v Speaker 1>which seems mean, but there's no mincing of words. And

808
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I think I've unfortunately adopted some of that where I

809
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 1>just say what I need to say, because why not, right,

810
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to waste your time. I want you

811
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>to get to where you need to be right. But

812
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I think also you're right Ethan, it's you need to

813
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of let things be. There's no speed race to progress.

814
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 1>It's just if you haven't progressed, you should ask yourself

815
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>why aren't you progressing, That's all? And then fix it right,

816
00:46:52.199 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh forgetting his name. He's a fairly cultivated

817
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 1>individual Westerner, but I think he lives in Thailand now

818
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and he was talking about meditation recently, and he was

819
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 1>talking about practicing meditation and working on posture because pasture

820
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 1>is important. Lazy pasture leads to lazy meditation to mind

821
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>get sleepy. And he was just like, just do it.

822
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And maybe it's only twice a week, Okay, that's better

823
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.800
<v Speaker 1>than no times a week. Maybe it's only five minutes,

824
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:29.239
<v Speaker 1>that's better than no minutes. Don't be like, well, I

825
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 1>want to do thirty minutes every single day and I

826
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't get to it, so therefore I suck. No, you

827
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 1>still did cumulatively forty minutes this week, and next week

828
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 1>maybe you do forty five. And that's perfectly fine. You

829
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<v Speaker 1>know in the West, where we want everything so prescriptive,

830
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 1>but the human body isn't very prescriptive. It's constantly changing.

831
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.039
<v Speaker 1>The day is constantly changing, the energies of the day

832
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 1>are constantly changing. And I think we need to be

833
00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>kinder to ourselves, but we also have to be willing

834
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:05.639
<v Speaker 1>to say the unsaid to ourselves as well when necessary. Yeah,

835
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.239
<v Speaker 1>you're being lazy. I could tell when I didn't do

836
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 1>my dallion this morning because I got too excited about

837
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:12.639
<v Speaker 1>a project I was working it, working on right now,

838
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 1>which I did complete today. So I'm very excited. And

839
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 1>now I feel it, you know. And I remember my

840
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 1>teacher saying, if you don't do Dallian one day, you

841
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>know it, don't do Dallian two days. He's like, I

842
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 1>know it. You don't do it three days. Your patients

843
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 1>know it. And I'm like, ah, you know when he

844
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.840
<v Speaker 1>told me that twelve thirteen years ago, I was like, ah,

845
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I got good. G I'm fine. Now I'm like, nah,

846
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>he's fucking right. I feel it today. I didn't do it.

847
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.519
<v Speaker 1>I should have done it. That's funny. But I'm not

848
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna knock myself and be like, oh that's it. Fucking

849
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna do dallion the rest of a week.

850
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 1>I'll start again next week like a diet. Right, It's like, no,

851
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll get back on the horse, you know at all?

852
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what? The thing is really interesting and I

853
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:01.800
<v Speaker 2>think even a David Shoemaker even mentions it in his

854
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 2>living Telemaus stuff and even says, I know, it's like

855
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.280
<v Speaker 2>it's not the most you know, exciting thing to do.

856
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.039
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of a lot of people that I

857
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>would say have like somewhat something to listen to when

858
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.639
<v Speaker 2>it comes to maybe magical practices. They all say, you

859
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 2>got to start meditating first. No, it sounds like it's

860
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.199
<v Speaker 2>boring and it sucks, and he wants start casting circles

861
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:26.719
<v Speaker 2>and doing all this, But everybody suggests to meditate first.

862
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 1>The work of the AA is much more that way.

863
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:37.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's focus meditation, you know, at least for

864
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:43.559
<v Speaker 1>the first few grades. So you know, I mean I

865
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:45.960
<v Speaker 1>hold him in high regard. I think his work is

866
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:50.440
<v Speaker 1>very good, and uh, you know, he's one of the

867
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>people that are more vocal about those components, especially in

868
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:55.719
<v Speaker 1>this whole podcast and in his book.

869
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Huge.

870
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because honestly, if you meditate the rest of the stuff,

871
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:03.000
<v Speaker 1>you'll be like, I don't really need to do that,

872
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, and well, like you know, not to make

873
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.239
<v Speaker 1>it a crolly thing, but you know, remember Crawley said,

874
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 1>anything that's not aimed at discovering your true will is

875
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>black magic. It makes you a black brother, right, So

876
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:17.360
<v Speaker 1>who cares about all the other things, the greater and

877
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.400
<v Speaker 1>lesser invoking whatever, unless it's aimed for you to find

878
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 1>your true will, which most people are like, no, I

879
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>need to banish this person out of my life. But

880
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.239
<v Speaker 1>if I get them out of my life, that means

881
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.360
<v Speaker 1>they'll get close to my true will. But you don't

882
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.320
<v Speaker 1>know your will, so how do you know that person is.

883
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:37.079
<v Speaker 1>That's sad you don't know. But you could also just

884
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 1>tell them to just leave. You don't need a magic

885
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.360
<v Speaker 1>ritual to cut someone out of your freaking life. I mean,

886
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.559
<v Speaker 1>maybe you do, depending on how nasty they are, right,

887
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 1>but like, generally no, it's because you don't have strong

888
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.000
<v Speaker 1>enough boundaries to actually tell people to get the fuck

889
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 1>out of your life that you need to do it

890
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.559
<v Speaker 1>in secret with magic. But here's the thing, if you

891
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>can't actualize it in the material plane, it ain't gonna work.

892
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 1>You have to be able to physically back it up.

893
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's is that Lon Milo Duquet or

894
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 1>someone else. That's basically you have to still do the

895
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.719
<v Speaker 1>magic and be able to do it in real life too.

896
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's not lawn, Maybe maybe it's actually ruin soup Gordon.

897
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember anymore, you know, I'm getting too old.

898
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.960
<v Speaker 1>My brain's not working. But you know, you have to

899
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 1>back up the stuff of real, real things, you know,

900
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 1>And often I don't see that. I see a lot

901
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 1>of people wishing, you know, writing stuff down whatever, like

902
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 1>do your sigil and then do all the work that's

903
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 1>necessary to allow it that sigil to happen. You know,

904
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you if you want to win the lotto due to

905
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:43.960
<v Speaker 1>sigil for the lotto, but also go plate a lotto,

906
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 1>play a lot can happen.

907
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:50.840
<v Speaker 2>It's win anyway, weight loss, but still change your diet.

908
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.599
<v Speaker 1>You can't just keep eating the cheese its, which I

909
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 1>also had today. You can't keep eating the cheese its

910
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:59.079
<v Speaker 1>and expect to lose weight. You know that doesn't work.

911
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Even if you do. You know, and you know even

912
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:06.960
<v Speaker 1>if you did it. The Austin Osmond spare way and

913
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:11.519
<v Speaker 1>you know created that schigual with extra potency, so you know,

914
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 1>hopefully the schigul wasn't on the cheez its, but nonetheless,

915
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 1>for those who know they're a.

916
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Cold book, hopefully the cheese It's fun.

917
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:24.679
<v Speaker 1>The PR team is going to be like, what is

918
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 1>wrong with you? And what does that mean?

919
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to mention a kind of conceptualization off of

920
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.960
<v Speaker 3>what you're saying earlier with the left hand path and

921
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.639
<v Speaker 3>the right right hand path and the mid path. The

922
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.679
<v Speaker 3>ability to be balanced, which is one of the effects

923
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 3>of meditation, right, that that gets us to ascend, if

924
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 3>you will, because we're not teetering, right, So meditation really

925
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:58.519
<v Speaker 3>has this balancing effect that just kind of allows us

926
00:52:58.559 --> 00:52:59.320
<v Speaker 3>to rise up.

927
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I agree, and I think it's crucial. But I also

928
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:08.039
<v Speaker 1>say meditation comes in many forms, right, And you know,

929
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:09.400
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of people are like, oh, I can't

930
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.599
<v Speaker 1>meditate because maybe their lives are a little too chaotic.

931
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 1>Right now, somebody sit and try to get still. It's

932
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 1>a little wild. Well, meditation could be slow, taichi, it's

933
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a start, right, because a lot of in the West,

934
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>what we call meditation is really just mental mind training.

935
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:28.039
<v Speaker 1>It's not actual meditation right in an Eastern definition, right,

936
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 1>because the depths of meditation, you know, union of one

937
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.320
<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff that comes after training the mind.

938
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:36.639
<v Speaker 1>But most of the stuff, you know, what we call

939
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 1>mindfulness in the West is an absolute joke. It's just

940
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>training the mind to be less adhd, which has its benefits. Right,

941
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It's stage one of training. But like you know, Bakhdi Yoka,

942
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:53.039
<v Speaker 1>which is found in the AA but could be found

943
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:57.239
<v Speaker 1>in Roman Catholicism, Orthodox or probably in you know, Islam

944
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 1>and Hindu devotion to something else side of yourself and

945
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.599
<v Speaker 1>tending to its statue or doing its prayers. There's novenas

946
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.639
<v Speaker 1>or whatever system you're working in is mind training and meditation.

947
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.000
<v Speaker 1>So if you can't train the mind and sit and

948
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, focus on one spot just yet, you can

949
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>do other things to train the mind, and all of

950
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.199
<v Speaker 1>that perfects the mind and allows sort of things to come.

951
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 1>When you look at the yoga stutters a pententolyy you know,

952
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:30.559
<v Speaker 1>it talks about the basic trainings and the stages of focus, right,

953
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and then eventually comes all the mysterious things, you know,

954
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.360
<v Speaker 1>psychic stuff, you know, and like all the things, and

955
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 1>it says those are distractions. Pay no attention, otherwise you

956
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>get stuck there in the West. We're aiming to get

957
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 1>to those things so that we could stop there. It's like, oh,

958
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 1>now I'm psychic, and I can you know, see these things,

959
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 1>and now you're actually trapped, you know, in the illusion,

960
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.400
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera. You know, we need to train

961
00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the mind so that we may get these psychic and

962
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 1>preys or whatever. And we also say I don't care

963
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.199
<v Speaker 1>and I keep going and they go past that. That's

964
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:10.199
<v Speaker 1>when meditation starts, right. But you know, in the West,

965
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 1>we want to take five hundred, six hundred dollars mindfulness

966
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.840
<v Speaker 1>courses with someone who went to Tibet for a weekend once,

967
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's now getting paid all this money

968
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.159
<v Speaker 1>to teach you mindfulness and they're a psychologist or whatever.

969
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:26.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not picking on anyone because there's like nine

970
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:26.679
<v Speaker 1>hundred of them.

971
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 2>They're all on YouTube.

972
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that'll help someone. I'm not knocking it. Go

973
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:34.760
<v Speaker 1>take it. If you want to spend six hundred, seven

974
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:38.280
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars for someone to tell you be less adhd cool,

975
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, but don't think you're better than someone else,

976
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:45.199
<v Speaker 1>because you can slow your mind down for a second,

977
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:48.719
<v Speaker 1>that you're superior and that you're now spiritual, which is

978
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:51.679
<v Speaker 1>what unfortunately comes you know, and then you wear your

979
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.440
<v Speaker 1>tied ie shirts and burn your Palo Santo or whatever

980
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, I'm spiritual. I'm over it. You know,

981
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 1>this is what a lot of spiritualities become. And it's

982
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:09.800
<v Speaker 1>like spirituality is something you do like every day by

983
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:15.800
<v Speaker 1>yourself constantly when you meet strangers, you're practicing spirituality because

984
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 1>it should be who you are. You shouldn't be practicing it.

985
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:19.920
<v Speaker 1>It should be a thing that you are. You're human.

986
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 1>This is part of the divine right of being incarnated

987
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.800
<v Speaker 1>or whatever you want to believe. It's I did my

988
00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 1>practices in the morning, therefore that's it. You know. I

989
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.039
<v Speaker 1>do my dallion in the morning because I will forget

990
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:36.679
<v Speaker 1>if I don't. But I continue the focus of all

991
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:39.440
<v Speaker 1>those things as much as I can. So I guess

992
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I did my dallion today because I still focused on

993
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 1>certain things. I paid attention to certain chi movements in

994
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.679
<v Speaker 1>my body and areas that were tight and make sure

995
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:50.159
<v Speaker 1>that they were flowing and whatnot. Because the Dallian practices

996
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I do or to make sure the burnings are open

997
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and make sure the cheese moving in the eight directions

998
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:58.239
<v Speaker 1>based on a baghwah. So I'm still aware of it.

999
00:56:58.320 --> 00:56:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't just do it to dallion in the morning

1000
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.000
<v Speaker 1>call it a day. Right, You don't do your prayer

1001
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in the morning and say now I go be an asshole.

1002
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I get on the subway and start being a dick.

1003
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 1>I love riding the subways and watching people in the morning.

1004
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 1>So like when I teach, unfortunately it's early in the morning,

1005
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:17.079
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get in a subway and the amount of

1006
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.039
<v Speaker 1>people that are dead, just dead, just checked out. And

1007
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like usually I got like the Misfits on or something,

1008
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just enjoying my life and I'm looking at people,

1009
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.519
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I'm doing what I was trained not

1010
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to do as a kid in the city of like

1011
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.679
<v Speaker 1>make eye contact with people. But I'm like, yo, are

1012
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:37.199
<v Speaker 1>you there? What's going? People just checked out? What kind

1013
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 1>of life is that? You know? But then they're gonna

1014
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:41.719
<v Speaker 1>go to yoga at the end of the day and

1015
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe even do their curtain practice and maybe get a

1016
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 1>little life back to them and then go back to

1017
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.079
<v Speaker 1>feeling dead. Forgive me.

1018
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who said it, but Jordan, you may

1019
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:58.639
<v Speaker 3>don't let them see your practice, let them see the results.

1020
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's success be I prove porly right, like no

1021
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:05.639
<v Speaker 1>one should know what I do, you know. And that

1022
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 1>was one of my biggest reservations of coming on here

1023
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:08.760
<v Speaker 1>with Nick. It's like, well, I don't want to come

1024
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:10.519
<v Speaker 1>out of a broom closet. Though I'm not a witch,

1025
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.360
<v Speaker 1>never was so when we make that out there, right,

1026
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:17.360
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I'm like, you know, some people look

1027
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:22.880
<v Speaker 1>poorly upon being involved with more mystical things, right, but

1028
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:26.159
<v Speaker 1>I also don't care. It's it's part of who I am.

1029
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I don't I think those who look

1030
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 1>poorly upon someone having a spiritual life, you know, I

1031
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.840
<v Speaker 1>questioned their life, not mine. Right, But no one should

1032
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.159
<v Speaker 1>know what I practice, Nor have I said what I

1033
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:43.840
<v Speaker 1>practice other than I do a dalli in practice. I

1034
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:46.480
<v Speaker 1>haven't said any orders that I've been involved with or not.

1035
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.000
<v Speaker 1>No one should know who cares whatever I'd be like,

1036
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm a you know, two hundredth degree of the you

1037
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:57.480
<v Speaker 1>know whatever, you know, reach around order like that, doesn't

1038
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:00.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like so therefore listen to what I'm saying,

1039
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Like that doesn't matter, right, But how many people on

1040
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the internet like I'm a fucking you know, seventh degree

1041
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of whatever, Like I who fucking cares? Like that's so dumb,

1042
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, just like in martial arts, which I used

1043
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.199
<v Speaker 1>to martial arts all the time, I'm an eighth don

1044
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, but you can't move you're so fat,

1045
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, I'm not picking up fat people, but

1046
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.760
<v Speaker 1>like I know people like that. I'm like, who's asked?

1047
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Are you kicking? I could run away. I don't need

1048
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to be any done, right, it can run.

1049
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1050
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:31.920
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make sense.

1051
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:37.760
<v Speaker 3>So isn't that why there's no belts in kung fu

1052
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 3>or tai chi?

1053
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, in Less than the West, right in

1054
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.960
<v Speaker 1>my my when I did kung fu, we had sashes. So,

1055
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.840
<v Speaker 1>but the idea was the sash got darker just because

1056
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>of the dirt of practicing. But no, really, you test

1057
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>it and you gotta sash because you gotta run a business.

1058
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.599
<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's like in academ just because you

1059
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>have a pH d doesn't make you smart. Right. I

1060
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.559
<v Speaker 1>know plenty of doctors that I'm like, oh god, right,

1061
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:08.760
<v Speaker 1>And I know plenty of people that you know out

1062
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:12.199
<v Speaker 1>of high school that are freaking brilliant, you know. So

1063
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 1>like these titles and all those things don't matter. So

1064
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:16.960
<v Speaker 1>your spirituality, like who cares what you practice? I care

1065
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:20.440
<v Speaker 1>who you are, right, because if you're a shithead, I

1066
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 1>don't give it. Actually, I want to know what you

1067
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.079
<v Speaker 1>practice that, so I don't practice that.

1068
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:28.199
<v Speaker 2>How are you doing that?

1069
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:28.639
<v Speaker 4>Right?

1070
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Like we were talking about prosperity churches, right, I definitely

1071
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:33.800
<v Speaker 1>don't want to practice that because I've seen enough of them.

1072
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.159
<v Speaker 1>But I could think of my grandma, who was a

1073
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:40.519
<v Speaker 1>sweet Sicilian sweet on some days, who had more you know,

1074
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Roman statues around, and I would love to practice her

1075
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.960
<v Speaker 1>religion more than the prosperity one because to her, she

1076
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:49.519
<v Speaker 1>also kept the evil eye away because there was a

1077
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of struggle under the like the old world mixed

1078
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.159
<v Speaker 1>into it, and you know, but she lived a very

1079
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:59.639
<v Speaker 1>alive practice. She prayed for everyone. Shit, I can't even

1080
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:03.119
<v Speaker 1>do that. Yeah, there's people I just still hate, right,

1081
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:05.320
<v Speaker 1>but we want to knock Now I'm being honest, but

1082
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 1>we want to knock like you know, organized religion. But

1083
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a woman who prayed for everyone. Fuck. If I

1084
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:16.559
<v Speaker 1>could aspire to be that, I would feel good, you know. Instead,

1085
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:19.599
<v Speaker 1>we spend so much time, especially in the Lima and

1086
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, you know. And it's not Fema itself.

1087
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.719
<v Speaker 1>It's this artifact of Croley. But you know, everyone's like

1088
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.599
<v Speaker 1>shit on Christianity and everything else. No one's really looked

1089
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.719
<v Speaker 1>deep into what Crowley was talking about and how he

1090
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:31.719
<v Speaker 1>actually saw Christ.

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01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.480
<v Speaker 2>You find that to be one of the funniest things

1092
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 2>within the.

1093
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Cod you know, let's put that out there right converted

1094
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholicism and said that here lies all the secrets

1095
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.119
<v Speaker 1>that I've been aspiring to. You know.

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01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had a guy on, Carl Abrahamson, and he

1097
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 2>was on and we were me at least, we're asking

1098
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.800
<v Speaker 2>him about like a, you know, the difference really between

1099
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Catholicism and the and the you know, the Oto or whatever,

1100
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:01.280
<v Speaker 2>like the mouse like church and all that stuff. And

1101
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:06.519
<v Speaker 2>he said that basically Catholicism was more open in his opinion,

1102
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.920
<v Speaker 2>in occult symbolism. But there's really some difference.

1103
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:15.400
<v Speaker 1>If you haven't been to a Latin Mass, you know,

1104
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 1>if you've been to one, you'd be like, holy shit, right,

1105
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.719
<v Speaker 1>because that's what all the solomatic magic was built on.

1106
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:24.039
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1107
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.079
<v Speaker 1>You were supposed to have like under certain like the

1108
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Mass of the Holy Spirit. You're supposed to have like

1109
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:33.840
<v Speaker 1>certain implements underneath the altar consecrated during that mass and whatever.

1110
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.480
<v Speaker 1>And like you go to a post Vatican two Mass

1111
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:38.119
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, I don't see how this has anything

1112
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.000
<v Speaker 1>to do with it. That's because it's been corrupted, in

1113
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:43.000
<v Speaker 1>my opinion. But if you go to one of the

1114
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 1>old or an Orthodox Mass and you're like, yo, this

1115
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 1>is high magic. Like it's high magic. And I mean,

1116
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:55.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, current Pope may rest in peace. You know,

1117
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:58.079
<v Speaker 1>was in the process of banning the Latin rite, which

1118
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 1>makes me ask a lot of questions, you know. But

1119
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:05.360
<v Speaker 1>it's all symbolism, but not just symbolism. It's it's potent,

1120
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:11.599
<v Speaker 1>it's wild. You know. I can see how Frederikad was like, oh,

1121
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.119
<v Speaker 1>but you have to have the eyes to see in

1122
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the ears to hear.

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01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1124
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:19.280
<v Speaker 1>He did all the work, He understood it, and he

1125
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:21.840
<v Speaker 1>actually explained it based on the Book of the Law,

1126
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:25.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, and he first had to find you know,

1127
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.719
<v Speaker 1>the the aon of map, you know, a mot to

1128
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:32.079
<v Speaker 1>however you want to say it, you know, and then

1129
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:37.039
<v Speaker 1>he converted later into Roman Catholicism. But I promise you

1130
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.840
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't practicing what my grandma was practicing, you know.

1131
01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:42.400
<v Speaker 1>He's he had a different understanding of it at that point.

1132
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.199
<v Speaker 1>You know. But the Golden Dawn says it too. An

1133
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.199
<v Speaker 1>adept can practice and you know, an a depth can

1134
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:54.840
<v Speaker 1>worship in any church or any temple. Yeah, it doesn't have.

1135
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 2>I believe that. Yeah, you know, you can find you

1136
01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:02.559
<v Speaker 2>that's just like what seven self, the seven is doing, right, well,

1137
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:04.760
<v Speaker 2>it's just showing you the attributions of how you could

1138
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.239
<v Speaker 2>identify with I think other things. You know what I'm saying,

1139
01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that's what you do.

1140
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.119
<v Speaker 1>That Jamatria is a whole nother bubble we can go down.

1141
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah that book, Yeah.

1142
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know. And I just I think that's

1143
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.320
<v Speaker 1>like my wish for people to maybe be more gentle

1144
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:24.280
<v Speaker 1>with themselves yet honest with themselves. You know, when I

1145
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:28.039
<v Speaker 1>had extra weight on me, I was like, yo, that's

1146
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:29.920
<v Speaker 1>that I did that. Now I need to lose it

1147
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.559
<v Speaker 1>because my my focus is my sleep was ship and

1148
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:37.360
<v Speaker 1>with poor sleep, my practices were terrible. My dallion was

1149
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:40.840
<v Speaker 1>half as good, you know. So being able to have

1150
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.280
<v Speaker 1>honest conversations would also be gentle with yourself. Like cool,

1151
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:45.519
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm just going to make changes. It'll come

1152
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.559
<v Speaker 1>off because I'm going to do the things, you know,

1153
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:50.159
<v Speaker 1>And if I had pizza that day, I wouldn't be like,

1154
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:54.079
<v Speaker 1>oh God, I ruined everything. And same with your spiritual practices.

1155
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Instead of trying to you know, invoke into physical manifestation

1156
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.960
<v Speaker 1>and be alt zaba or whatever, why don't you start

1157
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:07.239
<v Speaker 1>with some simple prayer or devotional practice or simple meditation

1158
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:12.400
<v Speaker 1>and get that dialed into a ten or maybe an eleven,

1159
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:14.519
<v Speaker 1>and see how you feel. And then if you really

1160
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.559
<v Speaker 1>want to evoke the alsabab, which I do not recommend,

1161
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:19.239
<v Speaker 1>but if you really want to do that, I guarantee

1162
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you it to work a lot better.

1163
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:28.000
<v Speaker 2>One thing. Hate to get off that, you know, for

1164
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:29.719
<v Speaker 2>what we're saying now, but it was something you had

1165
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:31.480
<v Speaker 2>mentioned before, and it made me think about something else

1166
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you said you could talk about. Possibly. You know, you

1167
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.960
<v Speaker 2>were mentioned earlier about like going throughout the day and

1168
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:38.840
<v Speaker 2>how the even you know, the change of the day

1169
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and I guess the whole energy of the day can

1170
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.960
<v Speaker 2>change with you. And then the influence of that. You

1171
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:47.719
<v Speaker 2>did mention something earlier about even astrology and health. Oh yeah,

1172
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.960
<v Speaker 2>so just lightly touch on that maybe.

1173
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I'm I'm actually a big fan of astrology.

1174
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:56.440
<v Speaker 1>My backup plan was always like, you know, I'm gonna

1175
01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:59.360
<v Speaker 1>quit medicine and I'm just gonna do astrologically.

1176
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Might be awesome, right, you know.

1177
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:03.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean to some of these people get like five

1178
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:05.880
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars a visit for for charts and I'm like

1179
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:10.559
<v Speaker 1>shit online from my you know, my couch. Well I

1180
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:14.880
<v Speaker 1>could do this, you know, in my doctoral studies. In

1181
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:19.719
<v Speaker 1>one of the more cultural anthropology classes, we looked at

1182
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:23.599
<v Speaker 1>how astrology in Chinese medicine and then looked at it

1183
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:27.119
<v Speaker 1>through different lenses through the West and everything else was

1184
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.920
<v Speaker 1>being used because it was part of it. Just like

1185
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.800
<v Speaker 1>in the West in medieval times, in Renaissance times, you

1186
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:38.719
<v Speaker 1>had astrology as part of the kind of prognosis of

1187
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a person. And from playing around with it, I've gotten

1188
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:47.599
<v Speaker 1>pretty good at some of it. There's something to it,

1189
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.480
<v Speaker 1>you know. And now I'll probably never publish an academic

1190
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:55.000
<v Speaker 1>paper again for saying that it's like like going against

1191
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:57.679
<v Speaker 1>COVID when it was like super in vogue to be

1192
01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:58.440
<v Speaker 1>pro COVID.

1193
01:06:59.760 --> 01:06:59.960
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1194
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, but at the same time, I don't think I would,

1195
01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, decide whether I get chemo or not because

1196
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:11.320
<v Speaker 1>my astrological chart planet was in a different place where

1197
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I've seen it be useful. Is kind of like to

1198
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:17.360
<v Speaker 1>give you an idea of why is this occurring timing

1199
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:23.280
<v Speaker 1>of certain things, maybe areas to look into, of types

1200
01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:27.079
<v Speaker 1>of treatments, but you know where it fulls short is

1201
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:29.400
<v Speaker 1>more like astrological medicine, Like okay, well, I'm just going

1202
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to get a talisman now based on this and and

1203
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:34.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, my cancer goes away. I don't think that

1204
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:37.840
<v Speaker 1>would happen. I would still make the tealsman, because why

1205
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:41.719
<v Speaker 1>not you know, cover every single uh, you know, corner.

1206
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:45.920
<v Speaker 1>But I think, you know, just like the West, we've

1207
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:49.360
<v Speaker 1>been saying kind of lost this understanding spirituality, medicine has

1208
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:52.760
<v Speaker 1>lost spirituality. And while I'm not saying time for medical

1209
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:54.960
<v Speaker 1>doctors to cast your you'r a chart when you fall

1210
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:58.440
<v Speaker 1>into the er for you know, a hoary chart or

1211
01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:04.840
<v Speaker 1>something like that, I think learning to integrate some of

1212
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:10.199
<v Speaker 1>the things I think our ancestors and forefathers knew about disease.

1213
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:14.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, think of the word rheumatism, right, rheumatic rooms

1214
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:17.079
<v Speaker 1>goes to the humors, right, which was you know, the

1215
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Greek system. We talk about these things and we say

1216
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:21.520
<v Speaker 1>when we have rheumatism, you know, when the cold is

1217
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:23.920
<v Speaker 1>in our joints, or the dampness is in our joints

1218
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:26.159
<v Speaker 1>it's a damp day, or the weather's changing, I feel it.

1219
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:26.800
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1220
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:29.640
<v Speaker 1>We can say, oh, that's part of the barometric pressure changing,

1221
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:33.279
<v Speaker 1>but not one hundred percent right, maybe on the dampness,

1222
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:38.039
<v Speaker 1>but not the cold, right, or people doing better in

1223
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.279
<v Speaker 1>certain climates. We always knew this, right, we send people

1224
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:45.239
<v Speaker 1>to sanitariums. Right before it had like a negative term

1225
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.520
<v Speaker 1>of being like the looney bin. But the sanitarium is

1226
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.680
<v Speaker 1>where you got fresh air in sunlight. Right. If you

1227
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:55.119
<v Speaker 1>look at the latest research of sunlight and morning sunlight

1228
01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:58.439
<v Speaker 1>specifically it's effect on circadian rhythm, and even there's research

1229
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.760
<v Speaker 1>out there that the reason why we're suffering from cholesterol

1230
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:05.000
<v Speaker 1>issues is because we're not getting morning sunlight, which cleaves

1231
01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:10.359
<v Speaker 1>and sets up a certain cascade metabolically that starts making

1232
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:13.600
<v Speaker 1>our body able to use cholesterol, so it actually lowers

1233
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:17.399
<v Speaker 1>our cholesterol and prevents placking. We used to see the

1234
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 1>morning sunlight all the time. We used to be out

1235
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:21.479
<v Speaker 1>and get sunlight all the time. Now we don't go outside.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in blue light constantly. The sunlight through our windows

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<v Speaker 1>is filtered, so we don't get DEEM for red red spectrum,

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01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.359
<v Speaker 1>which is the spectrum that's needed to counter that blue light. Right,

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01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:36.920
<v Speaker 1>So we're in these sick environments. We don't go to

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01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:40.359
<v Speaker 1>sleep when we're supposed to go to sleep. Right, we

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01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.680
<v Speaker 1>were bombarded with like dopamine stimulating things. We know all

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<v Speaker 1>these things. We're so far removed from what it means

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01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:51.479
<v Speaker 1>to be human and bringing in more humanness and spirituality

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01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:56.680
<v Speaker 1>would start with fresh air and sunlight, clean water, clean food,

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01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, shutting down at night. I have a tungsten

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01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:05.800
<v Speaker 1>halogen tungsten bulb above. It's not on right now because

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01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:07.800
<v Speaker 1>it would make me glow as if, you know, my

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01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:13.840
<v Speaker 1>spirituality would be even bigger because tungsten is incandestined emit

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01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:16.720
<v Speaker 1>all the foreig infrared. So I use it to help

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01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:18.920
<v Speaker 1>balance out my light when I'm working at my workstation.

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01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:23.560
<v Speaker 1>It's also a nice quality light. But you know, I

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01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:28.239
<v Speaker 1>try to make my indoor light as adaptable to outside

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01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:31.479
<v Speaker 1>as possible because I still have to work inside. And

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01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:39.079
<v Speaker 1>the health measurements are like ridiculous sleep quality, energy, weight loss, mood,

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01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:42.399
<v Speaker 1>all these things. So learning to be a human is

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<v Speaker 1>so crucial, and we don't do that anymore. That's why everything,

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01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:50.079
<v Speaker 1>like the Western systems are messed up, Western medicines messed up,

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01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:54.039
<v Speaker 1>everyone's sicks, Society hates each other because we don't know

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01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:57.720
<v Speaker 1>what it means to be human anymore. My opinion, at

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01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:00.439
<v Speaker 1>least you're gonna get so much hape, Nick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I read most of it.

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01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Message Nick, not me.

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01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, uh somebody that I was just got

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01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:15.720
<v Speaker 2>done recording on my own. I did like a solo show.

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01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I covered Marsilio Ficino, And you know, I thought that

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01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:21.520
<v Speaker 2>he was an important person and you know, just for

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01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:23.520
<v Speaker 2>the cultist, I think to know about are people interested

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01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:26.119
<v Speaker 2>into magic. But he was somebody who was involved in

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01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the Catholic Church also. But he was really huge in

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01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:33.239
<v Speaker 2>like thinking, you know, talking about you know, music helping too,

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01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:35.560
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the stuff that you were saying

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01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.560
<v Speaker 2>like he was. He was even saying back then he

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01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:39.880
<v Speaker 2>thought it was important for the health and the body.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, we can go forever about music and

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01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:48.760
<v Speaker 1>and and sound and even Gregorian chanting or anything like that. Yeah.

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01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.479
<v Speaker 2>Even with astrology he was into that as well. Well.

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01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:55.399
<v Speaker 1>The Catholic Church always used astrology, No, I mean it

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01:11:55.479 --> 01:12:00.479
<v Speaker 1>was always there and you know who manking on it.

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01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:04.399
<v Speaker 1>But like who is a group of his teacher he

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01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:08.000
<v Speaker 1>was the abbot of why truthemis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he.

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01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Was, you know a priest, if not more, most of

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01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the people who wrote those books were priests.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh even look at like Alberta's Maggus. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy's a fucking saint.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you know these people had huge spiritual practices

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01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and then we're do these things and now we from

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01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:34.159
<v Speaker 1>the West, we want to get off the subway or

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01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, come out of a you know, nine hours

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01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:39.880
<v Speaker 1>in a job we hate, and then think they were

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01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:44.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to you know, contra asmodius or something right,

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01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:49.520
<v Speaker 1>because why not asmonius? Right? No one wants to conjure him,

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01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it's mind blowing, you know where the

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01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:55.720
<v Speaker 1>priest is like writing and you know he's good at this,

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01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:58.079
<v Speaker 1>but like, you know, be careful. He could be deceptive.

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01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:01.319
<v Speaker 1>And that's the priest who you know, has a great

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01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.520
<v Speaker 1>relationship with all the saints and everything else. And it's

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01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:07.560
<v Speaker 1>purified his body and gone to confession and you know,

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01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:11.920
<v Speaker 1>probably hasn't done anything terrible, right, so his his energy

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01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.960
<v Speaker 1>is pretty high and he's like be careful. We're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate my life. Let me conjure this guy. I

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01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:20.439
<v Speaker 1>need a few bucks. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird, I will say. You know, I don't know

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01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:25.960
<v Speaker 2>if it was like a timing, but like I remember

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01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.159
<v Speaker 2>like when me and you, like when we were living

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01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:30.720
<v Speaker 2>near each other, assore each other, but we're still never

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01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:32.720
<v Speaker 2>actually living near each other. You did live pretty far.

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01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.359
<v Speaker 1>But we think we were close to each other.

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01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 2>But but what I see, but what I used to

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01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.439
<v Speaker 2>talk to you like more oftenly and see you. I

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01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:43.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know what it was. I don't know if it

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01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.199
<v Speaker 2>was a thing or maybe it's just like this all

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01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.039
<v Speaker 2>the time, but it seemed like there was like some

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01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:51.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of goetic revival and it was just but it

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01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:53.880
<v Speaker 2>was just like very like ignorantly dumb.

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01:13:55.680 --> 01:14:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think there was around that time, you had

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01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:06.640
<v Speaker 1>the Trithemius books that were coming out, which were all

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01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:09.119
<v Speaker 1>pretty good, and I think a lot of people were

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01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:13.359
<v Speaker 1>starting to you know, conjure spirits into crystals and whatnot,

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01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:16.319
<v Speaker 1>which should be the angels and stuff. And around that time,

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01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:19.359
<v Speaker 1>I think people were starting to get into like trying

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01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:21.439
<v Speaker 1>to do goetic work as well, but it was like

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01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:24.359
<v Speaker 1>a redacted form of goetic work. It wasn't like full

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01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:28.439
<v Speaker 1>high magic. And there were some people doing it, and

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01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.359
<v Speaker 1>I think some people were doing it quite successfully, you know,

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01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not knocking Gaetia. But you also had like Jack

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01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Grail was doing his Hika Da work, and they also

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01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:43.560
<v Speaker 1>had the PGM stuff. So there were like a lot

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01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:44.960
<v Speaker 1>of books that came out then, so a lot of

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01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:48.199
<v Speaker 1>people were doing PGM type stuff. It was you know,

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01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:51.960
<v Speaker 1>it was COVID, right, you know, I mean people had

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01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:56.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot of free time, you know, and I mean energetically,

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01:14:56.079 --> 01:15:01.640
<v Speaker 1>COVID's a perfect time for goetic work. World's exploding energy,

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01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.039
<v Speaker 1>right you know. I mean, yeah, yeah, I won't I

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01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:07.159
<v Speaker 1>won't go further to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I want to be able to leave this

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01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:10.640
<v Speaker 2>up on YouTube.

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01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the only thing it gives me a problem

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01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:17.319
<v Speaker 2>with at all for some reason, is that Yeah. Yeah,

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01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:19.000
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the occult, I guess like maybe

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01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:20.960
<v Speaker 2>as long as you, like, say, you're kind of theorizing

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01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.520
<v Speaker 2>it or is this my idea, they really never seem

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01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to really care unless you're saying somehow landish rap that

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01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't even say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no, I mean I wouldn't want to practice.

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01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:36.800
<v Speaker 2>That stuff, Jennet either. Was there anything else you wanted

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01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.199
<v Speaker 2>to ask or anything or it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I thought that was really fascinating in terms of

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01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.920
<v Speaker 4>the sort of Catholic Rosicrucianism or like the idea of

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01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.800
<v Speaker 4>a hermeneutic within Catholicism, because I think, like with Nick,

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01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:54.279
<v Speaker 4>this often comes up. We talk about it all the time,

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01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.399
<v Speaker 4>and just how prominent and just looking from as an

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01:15:57.399 --> 01:16:00.319
<v Speaker 4>outsider kind of like just seeing it, like you can

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01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:03.520
<v Speaker 4>see the cabalistic undertones. You can see where they preference

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01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:06.359
<v Speaker 4>on the tree. You can see they love that Tiferadic

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01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:09.000
<v Speaker 4>gold heart and all that. So it's really, you know,

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01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:13.079
<v Speaker 4>it's it's it's edifying, and I think it's good for

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01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:15.079
<v Speaker 4>me to hear it, but then also for other people

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01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:17.760
<v Speaker 4>here because you're a lot more respectable than me, and

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01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:21.079
<v Speaker 4>so you know, so people can hear it and they

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01:16:21.279 --> 01:16:23.560
<v Speaker 4>and they know it's not just like me being like

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01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:26.640
<v Speaker 4>weird on Twitter or whatever, which is probably what they think,

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01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:31.960
<v Speaker 4>but there is like some underlying magical system and as

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01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:35.680
<v Speaker 4>well with Orthodoxy, and this is why I'm considered to

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01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:38.359
<v Speaker 4>be the bane of the Ortho bros. On Twitter, because

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01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:41.920
<v Speaker 4>so I'll follow me, but they won't ever respond to me.

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01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:47.399
<v Speaker 4>Jadai or if you're listening, he does follow me. So

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01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:49.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying, but they'll never respond because it's like

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01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:52.119
<v Speaker 4>you can call out there kind of like the way

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01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:54.359
<v Speaker 4>he does is PfP. I'm not saying Jay in particular,

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01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:56.399
<v Speaker 4>but just all of them, and just you can just

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01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:59.800
<v Speaker 4>use the image of the cabalistic tree with the Orthodox

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01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:02.359
<v Speaker 4>I mean there's a you know tree right there, and

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01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.479
<v Speaker 4>so they get freaked out when you sort of make

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01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:09.600
<v Speaker 4>these very obvious, you know, first density kind of ideas.

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01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:12.159
<v Speaker 4>They don't like it. They don't like to break those

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01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:14.199
<v Speaker 4>klee bus So I just wanted to say thank you

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01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:15.359
<v Speaker 4>for saying that, I.

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01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Like break those kleipers.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, you know, there was there was one

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01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:21.439
<v Speaker 2>thing I did want to mention, uh, and I think

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01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:24.720
<v Speaker 2>you will. You you could even well, I guess without

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01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:27.840
<v Speaker 2>giving away anything, you could probably vouch for my theory

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01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:32.439
<v Speaker 2>on this. But just from my experience in the OTO

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01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:34.399
<v Speaker 2>and going through things that I have, or just even

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01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:36.800
<v Speaker 2>just regular practices, as somebody could come in and probably

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01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:41.439
<v Speaker 2>see if you go in there and you don't hate

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01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Catholicism and go in there not biased, I think you'll

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01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:50.520
<v Speaker 2>actually see a lot of it within the order. And

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01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people want to acknowledge that

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01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:53.039
<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well that you know that comes straight out Crawley,

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01:17:56.520 --> 01:18:01.359
<v Speaker 1>because Crawley, you know, had a love hate thing with Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because the way he grew up and his

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01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:04.600
<v Speaker 1>parents and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>If I think if you read it to a boy,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he had more of a problem with the

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01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:10.039
<v Speaker 2>way the Church was presenting it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was mostly the church. I think

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01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:14.560
<v Speaker 1>when he was younger, I think it was all of

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01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the above. As he got older and matured, and I

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01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:20.600
<v Speaker 1>think if you look at some of the depths of

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01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:24.760
<v Speaker 1>some of the works, you know, even from like a

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01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:27.800
<v Speaker 1>rosicruction lens and stuff like that, it's there. There is

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01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:32.159
<v Speaker 1>an understanding of Christ and what it means, and maybe

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01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that role it plays in spirituality that I think those

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01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:45.319
<v Speaker 1>who come in hating you know, Christianity or whatever, I

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01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:49.479
<v Speaker 1>think it's just going to limit them because you know,

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01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you live in the West, in which case it's impacted

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01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:55.319
<v Speaker 1>by Christianity. We can hate the pedos, right, we can

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01:18:55.359 --> 01:19:00.439
<v Speaker 1>hate the prosperity churches, but you know, the the world

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01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.439
<v Speaker 1>that we live in has been fundamentally affected by Christianity.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have to understand it. You can't hate the

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<v Speaker 1>world that you existed. It's you know, fundamentally against your

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01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:16.720
<v Speaker 1>own growth, you know. So I think it's the borrow

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01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:22.119
<v Speaker 1>from the Christians. You know, hate the sin, not the sinner, right,

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01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:26.000
<v Speaker 1>don't hate the vehicle, hate the things that are wrong

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01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:26.720
<v Speaker 1>with the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to ask one more tiny little thing

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate because I like to do it. And Jen

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<v Speaker 3>and Nick and you are really brought together East and West.

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01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I wonder you know how that might help you understand

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<v Speaker 3>one or the other, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I mean it definitely. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>growing up and stuff, I was much more on the

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<v Speaker 1>West side stuff. Grew up Roman Catholic, but always practicing

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01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:13.039
<v Speaker 1>weird shit. So and then I want to say, like

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<v Speaker 1>about nineteen or maybe twenty ish, I started with taichi

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01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:25.359
<v Speaker 1>and yoga and then started going to a Theravado watt

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<v Speaker 1>and training in Therabauda Buddhasm. So I started learning meditation

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01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:38.159
<v Speaker 1>like properly, whatever hell that means, and started noticing that

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01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:41.720
<v Speaker 1>it was a little more potent for me. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I oscillated between West and East practices, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was grabbing because I got certain things from the

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<v Speaker 1>West that I couldn't get from the East, and I

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01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:53.359
<v Speaker 1>got certain things from East I couldn't get from the West.

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<v Speaker 1>I've realized, as I've matured that it's an issue with

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01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:05.319
<v Speaker 1>having proper teachers, proper access to the material, and not

1441
01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:08.760
<v Speaker 1>being mature, not spending enough time in the practice to

1442
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:11.720
<v Speaker 1>see it flour For what it is. I think both

1443
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:17.039
<v Speaker 1>systems have probably everything in it, but it's do you

1444
01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:19.720
<v Speaker 1>have access to it? And can it work for you?

1445
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:23.880
<v Speaker 1>And I think different temperaments need different practices. Also, different

1446
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:27.520
<v Speaker 1>stages of life need different practices, you know. I mean,

1447
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, what practice are you going to do when

1448
01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:33.880
<v Speaker 1>you're twenty and randy is very different than the practice

1449
01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:36.479
<v Speaker 1>you can do in your forties when you're divorced or

1450
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:39.880
<v Speaker 1>going through divorce? Right, Like, those are two different stages

1451
01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:44.159
<v Speaker 1>of life, you know. So I think the only thing

1452
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I can say to your question, Ethan, is more like

1453
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:51.840
<v Speaker 1>seeing and traveling in both and then still travel in both.

1454
01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:55.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just made me aware that it's more of a

1455
01:21:56.039 --> 01:22:00.840
<v Speaker 1>me problem than the systems, and just spending the time

1456
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:03.960
<v Speaker 1>and making sure that I asked the right questions and

1457
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:09.039
<v Speaker 1>finding right teachers and relaxing and not trying to, you know,

1458
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:14.960
<v Speaker 1>reach nirvana immediately, which it hasn't happened or union or whatever.

1459
01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:21.479
<v Speaker 1>It's okay, you know, I think, Yeah, I think I

1460
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:23.920
<v Speaker 1>think we approached this like we're taking on a new

1461
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:27.960
<v Speaker 1>martial art or new gym or a new sport. We

1462
01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:30.399
<v Speaker 1>take this new tradition when we're when we're young and

1463
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:33.159
<v Speaker 1>we're going to master it. I don't think that happens

1464
01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in spirituality because master's like that's weird, right, Like Nick

1465
01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and I have been through the orders and stuff I have.

1466
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I have met some people that have definitely achieved certain

1467
01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:47.399
<v Speaker 1>states of mastery. I will definitely say the orders produce things.

1468
01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:52.279
<v Speaker 1>But by and far, far, very very little people achieve

1469
01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:56.279
<v Speaker 1>much of anything other than they can talk a lot

1470
01:22:56.319 --> 01:23:00.720
<v Speaker 1>about practices, and it becomes like you know, a color's card.

1471
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:02.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like, oh, did you get this new Pokemon?

1472
01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:05.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, that Pokemon really gives you x amount

1473
01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:09.119
<v Speaker 1>of points, you know, like you argue over the the things,

1474
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, which is part of a society. Remember, cult

1475
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:15.720
<v Speaker 1>groups are also societies. So you have your own tribalism,

1476
01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:18.079
<v Speaker 1>you have your own stuff that you bond over. So

1477
01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:20.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not wrong to do those things. But we get

1478
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:25.520
<v Speaker 1>stuck there, you know, And I think you know, and

1479
01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I forgot who said it, Probably a lot of people.

1480
01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:31.840
<v Speaker 1>But the West is failing to initiate, by it far,

1481
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:37.479
<v Speaker 1>the East is not failing to initiate. If you're doing

1482
01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:42.119
<v Speaker 1>it on percentages, right, both will initiate, both will fail

1483
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:46.239
<v Speaker 1>to initiate. But the West is failing to initiate way stronger.

1484
01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:50.039
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know why I don't. There can be

1485
01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:53.479
<v Speaker 1>a million reasons why.

1486
01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:54.479
<v Speaker 2>I can see that.

1487
01:23:54.560 --> 01:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Actually, that's going to get some shit, you know, from

1488
01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:04.760
<v Speaker 1>the person who's going to tell us that they're well

1489
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:10.039
<v Speaker 1>initiated and how we're wrong. You know what, Let me

1490
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:13.279
<v Speaker 1>declare it right off. I've been initiated in many things.

1491
01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't consider myself advanced in anything. I'm just a human,

1492
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:22.279
<v Speaker 1>so I may be in error. But from my lowly position,

1493
01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I have noticed that the West has failed to initiate

1494
01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>much more than East.

1495
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what I said. I agree with that.

1496
01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:32.000
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about Chin?

1497
01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:37.319
<v Speaker 4>Well, thanks boss for asking what did I think about it?

1498
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:41.880
<v Speaker 4>I agree? Well, Tantreon is very very popular in Russia

1499
01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:46.439
<v Speaker 4>and all of Asia, like the most popular religion by far.

1500
01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Even the Xijingping's wife is Treona practitioner. I call it Chokran. Actually,

1501
01:24:53.319 --> 01:25:01.039
<v Speaker 4>so there is you know, there's a I think that

1502
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:04.880
<v Speaker 4>there is an idea that Western dharma has not really

1503
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:08.960
<v Speaker 4>planted its seed fully. And that makes sense, right, because

1504
01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:11.600
<v Speaker 4>there's been different Just like with Tibet, it took multiple

1505
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:15.039
<v Speaker 4>transmissions to really take root. So I think it's the

1506
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:17.680
<v Speaker 4>same with everything. And like look at India. India had

1507
01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:21.000
<v Speaker 4>the dharma, they had everything, they could have done supposedly,

1508
01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:25.000
<v Speaker 4>just based on like a pristine idea of the world

1509
01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:29.399
<v Speaker 4>or pristine ideas, they should have been able to bloom.

1510
01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:32.520
<v Speaker 4>But it didn't. So I think that that's kind of

1511
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:36.239
<v Speaker 4>the you know, the cycle of the world that we

1512
01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:38.279
<v Speaker 4>went through. Like if you want to call it cal Yuga,

1513
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:44.399
<v Speaker 4>that's fine, you know, so, but the idea in Calyuga

1514
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:47.720
<v Speaker 4>really is not the decay of the knowledge. It's the

1515
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:50.840
<v Speaker 4>decay of the knowledge of the method, meaning like how

1516
01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:55.079
<v Speaker 4>do we implement it? And so in twenty twenty, as

1517
01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:59.760
<v Speaker 4>in now, we are going through a Saturn Neptune conjunction.

1518
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:04.000
<v Speaker 4>So I know Jordan brought up astrology. So interesting note

1519
01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:06.079
<v Speaker 4>is that that can also be described as like the

1520
01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Bina Pokema relationship if you want to apply kind of

1521
01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:14.880
<v Speaker 4>the outer three to you know, the higher series. So

1522
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:18.479
<v Speaker 4>that's an idea. So it's it's like smoke and matter

1523
01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:21.079
<v Speaker 4>at the same time. So it is very carnal ground.

1524
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:23.560
<v Speaker 4>It's very like burning ground. It's like what do you

1525
01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:25.319
<v Speaker 4>make of it? That's kind of how I see it.

1526
01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:27.840
<v Speaker 4>Now we're kind of like in this state of flux.

1527
01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:31.600
<v Speaker 4>We have all the access to all these things. We

1528
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:35.000
<v Speaker 4>know that just like as Jordan said at the very beginning,

1529
01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:37.680
<v Speaker 4>it's like the left hand path is the lightning is

1530
01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:40.880
<v Speaker 4>the lightning path. That's one hundred percent, you know, that's

1531
01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:44.119
<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent correct. So because it is both because

1532
01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:46.279
<v Speaker 4>it is brought to bringing all it was into synthesis,

1533
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:50.720
<v Speaker 4>rectifying everything you're drawing from into synthesis into yourself. Really

1534
01:26:52.039 --> 01:26:54.720
<v Speaker 4>so I think we in my opinion, it is what

1535
01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:58.079
<v Speaker 4>we make of it. So we're going to build something.

1536
01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:03.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's inside the older institutional orders. And

1537
01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:06.600
<v Speaker 4>my this is just my personal opinion as a millennial

1538
01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:09.680
<v Speaker 4>is like a little bit younger. I just I don't

1539
01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:13.439
<v Speaker 4>see it there because people I don't know it just

1540
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:17.279
<v Speaker 4>I think there's we've gone through too much, and like

1541
01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:19.359
<v Speaker 4>you have to capture the millennials, you have to capture

1542
01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:22.439
<v Speaker 4>the zoomers, you have to capture you know, jen Alpha,

1543
01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:25.520
<v Speaker 4>And I just I think everyone's a little decentralized, a

1544
01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:28.920
<v Speaker 4>little decoherent, and no one really wants to follow the leader.

1545
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:31.439
<v Speaker 4>People are into the idea of like mastery of their

1546
01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:34.399
<v Speaker 4>own destiny, which I think is in general positive but

1547
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:37.760
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of traps, Like astrology can be a

1548
01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:41.000
<v Speaker 4>trap because people can then worship the planets and the

1549
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:45.239
<v Speaker 4>stars as very fixed, very like almost fatalistic, like you

1550
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:51.920
<v Speaker 4>were just choice, you know, exactly exactly. So I think

1551
01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:55.399
<v Speaker 4>the idea of free will is like important to say,

1552
01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:58.680
<v Speaker 4>and so I think that's it's in any it's in

1553
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.760
<v Speaker 4>any practice, and I'm glad you of that, because it

1554
01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:03.560
<v Speaker 4>is like you can do anything, but you have to

1555
01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:05.680
<v Speaker 4>do it. It is like the s like I say,

1556
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:09.359
<v Speaker 4>the sodnize everything. The practice is everything. That's what Buddhism is.

1557
01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:12.520
<v Speaker 4>It's just you just you do it. You get up,

1558
01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:15.920
<v Speaker 4>take your beads, and you do it. That's it. So

1559
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:18.119
<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent agree.

1560
01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, Crowley wanted to bring the New A on.

1561
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:24.239
<v Speaker 1>It says that Thelma is going to fix everything. If

1562
01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:26.199
<v Speaker 1>that's true, we probably have to wait like three four

1563
01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>hundred years to find out, you know. I read on

1564
01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:32.479
<v Speaker 1>one of the Thelembic things It's like, well, you know,

1565
01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Christianity took like three four hundred years before it even

1566
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>started coming together, so this is early new An. We're

1567
01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>only one hundred years in and I'm just like so, like,

1568
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I guess like Mark wasn't even written yet, right, you know,

1569
01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I don't know, I don't even buy it,

1570
01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I would definitely in a a morphing period

1571
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:56.199
<v Speaker 1>like Jen was saying, you know, how to get everyone

1572
01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>behind it, I'm not sure, and I think, you know,

1573
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:02.439
<v Speaker 1>if you look at if it's a switch between periods,

1574
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>there's some people that from like the thelemic idea, some

1575
01:29:05.680 --> 01:29:08.239
<v Speaker 1>people are still the older current, the old Aon, some

1576
01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:11.119
<v Speaker 1>people are a newer a On. Then there's the theories

1577
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>that there may be dual AONs or multiple AONs at

1578
01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:15.239
<v Speaker 1>the same time, So there could be the Aon of

1579
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Matt or not how you want to say it, right,

1580
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:22.399
<v Speaker 1>So it might be different kind of vehicles for different people,

1581
01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>depending on their karmac seed or whatever. But maybe that's

1582
01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:28.840
<v Speaker 1>true always. You know, maybe we're just got so much

1583
01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>technology now that we can see these things in such

1584
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>rapid fire. You know, I don't know, you know, I

1585
01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>think about this a lot, but I think ultimately, the

1586
01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>moment a person decides I'm done and I'm just going

1587
01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>to start working on being a better human and find

1588
01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:46.359
<v Speaker 1>out what it means to be human, the moment none

1589
01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:50.119
<v Speaker 1>of that matters, you know, you can take that ownership

1590
01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:53.119
<v Speaker 1>and you just say today and do my practice the end,

1591
01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>do I die?

1592
01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully I could, I could be the oldermate formaged.

1593
01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, but you know, think about it too, It's like,

1594
01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>what why why do we do spiritual practices? Usually because

1595
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to fix something that we feel is broken

1596
01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>or feel not connected, right, trying to make our lives

1597
01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>better and make ourselves happier. But if you just increase

1598
01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>your happiness and you know, you learn more about yourself,

1599
01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't necessarily have to hit the you know, the

1600
01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:28.399
<v Speaker 1>period where you suddenly, you know, hit a non dual

1601
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>state and you suddenly, you know, become like you know,

1602
01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:37.279
<v Speaker 1>an immortal you know, or something like that. Like you

1603
01:30:37.279 --> 01:30:39.359
<v Speaker 1>you could just be like my grandma and just pray

1604
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>for people and be happy. And that's a great stopping point,

1605
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.399
<v Speaker 1>and there's no shame in that being a stopping point,

1606
01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. Like I think a lot of people get

1607
01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>attracted at least in the West, but you know, the East,

1608
01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:54.479
<v Speaker 1>maybe I just I'm not sure, but we get attracted

1609
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:59.119
<v Speaker 1>these things because we feel something's lost. But we're we're

1610
01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>we're not living like humans anymore, so of course things

1611
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:05.039
<v Speaker 1>feel lost right, what's our sense of community? Like I

1612
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:07.840
<v Speaker 1>live in Brooklyn, and you know, and I love where

1613
01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:12.079
<v Speaker 1>I live, but it's like this place is crazy, you know,

1614
01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I and you know, I put in the app

1615
01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the other day three one one to get homeless assistance

1616
01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>because I was in Union Square and some guys playing

1617
01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>with his dick and obviously, you know, we're not a

1618
01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>bunch of kids, and I'm just like homeless man playing

1619
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:24.279
<v Speaker 1>with his dick. I put it in the app and

1620
01:31:24.399 --> 01:31:27.199
<v Speaker 1>place like stay right back, and they're like, oh, you know,

1621
01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>we're not handling that. You know, that's for someone else.

1622
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:35.279
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, what connection. We're like a low trust

1623
01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>society here, right, versus like a high trust society. So

1624
01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:42.359
<v Speaker 1>what is the stress of living in a low trust society?

1625
01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>You know? On a human It's it's wild, you know.

1626
01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:47.199
<v Speaker 1>And I think about that because I'm like, oh, do

1627
01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I have to leave in New York one time? Because

1628
01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:52.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to, you know, but I'm like, at

1629
01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>a certain point, you know, what would it feel like

1630
01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>to live in a place where I don't have to

1631
01:31:55.760 --> 01:31:58.479
<v Speaker 1>lock my door? You know, Nick, you and I grew

1632
01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>up in a time on you know, yeah, here, we

1633
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:04.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to lock our doors, you know, Like I

1634
01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.479
<v Speaker 1>remember being told, you know, come home when the street

1635
01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:10.479
<v Speaker 1>lights went off, right, parents didn't know where we were,

1636
01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, and nothing bad happened because we knew everyone.

1637
01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:15.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, we all went home.

1638
01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Try that in Brooklyn right now, you know, like kids

1639
01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:23.359
<v Speaker 1>going to disappear, come home on crack or something like.

1640
01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:26.279
<v Speaker 1>It's it's not gonna work, you know.

1641
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, the world definitely.

1642
01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're in a strange time, which I believe is

1643
01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe they say it's a Chinese curse. But I've

1644
01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:35.800
<v Speaker 1>seen a quoted so many times as maybe you live

1645
01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.239
<v Speaker 1>in interesting times, you know, because it's it's not good

1646
01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:43.199
<v Speaker 1>to live in interesting times, you know, they say that

1647
01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:47.399
<v Speaker 1>the when when society falls apart, the emperor whoever's in charge,

1648
01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:51.479
<v Speaker 1>just lost the tending the mandate of heaven, no longer

1649
01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>ruling in accordance with the heavens. So the heavens just

1650
01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:58.479
<v Speaker 1>gonna start, you know, falcking ship up until it reorganizes itself.

1651
01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:00.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think maybe that's just where we're at right now.

1652
01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, when things get good again, things will feel good.

1653
01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise the world is just going to shake things up.

1654
01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't mean I can't feel good.

1655
01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I definitely think the run like a chaos

1656
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:20.680
<v Speaker 2>stage a chance you have to. I mean, that's the

1657
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:23.199
<v Speaker 2>whole thing of a magician too, is like you know

1658
01:33:23.439 --> 01:33:24.840
<v Speaker 2>that that's what you should be able to do. Is

1659
01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:27.520
<v Speaker 2>you got to kind of like create a GPS to

1660
01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:29.279
<v Speaker 2>still get where you're going. So you're going to have

1661
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to adjust to the world around your own life to

1662
01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>still be able to get through it.

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01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:38.159
<v Speaker 1>You had still doing I think from the soup right,

1664
01:33:38.439 --> 01:33:40.199
<v Speaker 1>not too long ago, and that that's been his whole

1665
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:43.319
<v Speaker 1>stick for years. He's like this, we're heading to where

1666
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>everything's exploding. Learn to be a productive magician or whatever.

1667
01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Learn to find out where you can live, make sure

1668
01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:55.439
<v Speaker 1>you understand how your resources work. And basically I think

1669
01:33:55.439 --> 01:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>he uses the terms learn to enchant yourself out of

1670
01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:01.199
<v Speaker 1>these problems. You know, like you're still gonna have problems

1671
01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:04.199
<v Speaker 1>with learned to get yourself out of them, right, just

1672
01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>use all your skills of you know. For him, he's

1673
01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, very chaos inspired to navigate a time that

1674
01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>is just not good for humans. So it's not a

1675
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:18.359
<v Speaker 1>good time right now, but you know that's that's why

1676
01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:20.399
<v Speaker 1>we would be learning these practices. I don't know if

1677
01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:23.159
<v Speaker 1>he spoke about that stuff or whatnot, but that's that's

1678
01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>been his thing for a few years now, you know,

1679
01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:29.079
<v Speaker 1>especially on the private forums and stuff teaching people how

1680
01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to practically live safe and happy. During this period.

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01:34:37.159 --> 01:34:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Did before we wrap it up hour and a half,

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01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:44.000
<v Speaker 2>General Ethan, was there anything you wanted to.

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01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:49.279
<v Speaker 4>I had three things really quiet. First of all, what

1684
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:51.439
<v Speaker 4>your grandma, I think you said he was doing. That's

1685
01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:54.840
<v Speaker 4>body Cheeta vao. So that's like our bodyslvo vaw. So

1686
01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:57.560
<v Speaker 4>she's cultivating body cheeta basically. So that so that's totally

1687
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.920
<v Speaker 4>a terminus. It's totally like a liberatory or endpoint you

1688
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.720
<v Speaker 4>could say, for someone's practice. So I also try and

1689
01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:09.359
<v Speaker 4>do that, but I'm probably not successful now I've forgotten.

1690
01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:13.159
<v Speaker 4>But thank you, Jordan. It was really illuminating to speak

1691
01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:16.119
<v Speaker 4>with you. And I appreciate the groundedness you brought to

1692
01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:20.680
<v Speaker 4>all these like sort of higher metaphysical ideals.

1693
01:35:21.239 --> 01:35:24.159
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the kind words. And I had no clue

1694
01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>what I was doing on here. I even checked with

1695
01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>my PR team. First. I was like, it's okay, is

1696
01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:31.359
<v Speaker 1>this going to mess up my brand? And then I

1697
01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:35.399
<v Speaker 1>realized I don't care no, because these scenes need to

1698
01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>be said. And I think true healing is not just

1699
01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>things that you do or the herbs you take or

1700
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>the pharmaceuticals you take, but it's it's learning to heal,

1701
01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, whether it's society, family, your emotions, you know,

1702
01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:52.199
<v Speaker 1>and that starts with a practice. But that doesn't have

1703
01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:55.720
<v Speaker 1>to be anything other than calming your mind down. You know.

1704
01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>That's all simple stuff, you know, But I appreciate the

1705
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:02.319
<v Speaker 1>kind and if you remember to two other things. I

1706
01:36:02.319 --> 01:36:04.640
<v Speaker 1>also knew my grandmother and she was a tough Sicilian woman,

1707
01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:07.039
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know she had much bodichta, but but

1708
01:36:07.239 --> 01:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>she was at least practicing it.

1709
01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:13.159
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I loved your idea. I did remember, so

1710
01:36:13.239 --> 01:36:15.359
<v Speaker 4>I loved your idea of the multiple aths. This is

1711
01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:18.159
<v Speaker 4>actually something that I have discussed a little bit and

1712
01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:21.319
<v Speaker 4>even on this show with Nick, on my own show especially,

1713
01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:25.920
<v Speaker 4>But I do think that that's probably true in my opinion,

1714
01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:28.239
<v Speaker 4>just my opinion, So I do. I do believe I

1715
01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:30.439
<v Speaker 4>called the aon of the daughter. I know other people

1716
01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:32.680
<v Speaker 4>have written about that, but that is kind of how

1717
01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:35.399
<v Speaker 4>I've done it. So we've been doing like these kind

1718
01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:39.239
<v Speaker 4>of speculative gnostic spaces where we touch on a lot

1719
01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:42.880
<v Speaker 4>of the ideas like maybe not exactly but coming from

1720
01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:45.359
<v Speaker 4>my own perspective, but we touch a lot of the

1721
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:47.479
<v Speaker 4>ideas that you talked about. So I find it very

1722
01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:51.359
<v Speaker 4>personally edifying and interesting just for that reason, the idea

1723
01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:54.359
<v Speaker 4>of multiple ans and like what could they be, what

1724
01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:57.119
<v Speaker 4>could they call? Could different people beyond you could say,

1725
01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.479
<v Speaker 4>different karmic tielines as you said, so very strength.

1726
01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think about it a lot. I have no answers.

1727
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:08.359
<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably true, but who knows, maybe this

1728
01:37:08.439 --> 01:37:12.199
<v Speaker 1>reality doesn't exist, and you know, but it's just all

1729
01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:16.079
<v Speaker 1>manifestations of one and some sort of weird mind golf guessing.

1730
01:37:16.600 --> 01:37:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, you know. I think about that too.

1731
01:37:19.119 --> 01:37:23.119
<v Speaker 2>So I remember one time I think you were like

1732
01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:25.439
<v Speaker 2>we were tossing around like certain ideas that we thought

1733
01:37:25.479 --> 01:37:27.479
<v Speaker 2>were like, we're interesting. I can't remember what it was,

1734
01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:29.479
<v Speaker 2>but we were like I remember, afraid to like break my

1735
01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:32.319
<v Speaker 2>brain if I even entertained that too much. I think

1736
01:37:32.359 --> 01:37:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it was something where I was like I was talking

1737
01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:36.560
<v Speaker 2>about like the eyes or like you know, reflecting something

1738
01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:37.039
<v Speaker 2>in your life.

1739
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:39.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I think you sent me something a while

1740
01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:43.439
<v Speaker 1>ago and I was like, yeah, you know, one of

1741
01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the stuff I like the things that I've I've always

1742
01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:48.359
<v Speaker 1>been into some of the stuff like from the Monroe Institute,

1743
01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:51.359
<v Speaker 1>and then like Tom Campbell, who I guess was actually

1744
01:37:51.399 --> 01:37:54.800
<v Speaker 1>on Rogan not too long ago, you know, where it's

1745
01:37:54.840 --> 01:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of like what does consciousness actually be? And it's

1746
01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:02.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of like this examination of the non dual from

1747
01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>this dualistic view, and Tom uses this whole like virtual

1748
01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:11.279
<v Speaker 1>reality kind of framework that everything's just one virtual reality gameplay,

1749
01:38:11.960 --> 01:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, shit, maybe that's true because it doesn't

1750
01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>actually break any of the things that I see from

1751
01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>like an Eastern or Western tradition at its depths. I'm like, oh,

1752
01:38:21.079 --> 01:38:23.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's just a modern way of talking about non dual.

1753
01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>You should have him on Nick that.

1754
01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, somebody had told me that he had that somebody

1755
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:32.399
<v Speaker 2>was talking about the Gateway process on the recently.

1756
01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Was actually yeah, no, he's super interesting, super interesting. It's

1757
01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:37.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that progress stuff from like Monroe Institute.

1758
01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:39.479
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you know, like like Jin said, it's like

1759
01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:43.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm always thinking about like, well, what is this? I

1760
01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:44.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's fun to think about it.

1761
01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Those are definitely interesting. Yeah, uh Ethan, oh oh, Jin,

1762
01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:50.640
<v Speaker 2>did you did you have one more left. I'm so

1763
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:52.159
<v Speaker 2>sorry I might have been cutting you off there, No.

1764
01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:55.199
<v Speaker 4>Don't be sorry. No, I think that I was going

1765
01:38:55.239 --> 01:38:58.319
<v Speaker 4>to make the aonic comment into a question, but I

1766
01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:00.640
<v Speaker 4>go for it during kind of answered it. No, No,

1767
01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:03.000
<v Speaker 4>that's okay, thank you so much, and I appreciate it.

1768
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:05.359
<v Speaker 2>I no, thank you, thank you. I'm just trying to

1769
01:39:05.359 --> 01:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>get you to talk about with that new microphone.

1770
01:39:07.079 --> 01:39:10.159
<v Speaker 4>Yet, well, you know, I have to get in all

1771
01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:13.560
<v Speaker 4>the practice especially, you know, and this is like kind

1772
01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:15.439
<v Speaker 4>of our topic. Like this is like the topic that

1773
01:39:15.479 --> 01:39:18.600
<v Speaker 4>I love the most. It's like other people who have

1774
01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:22.279
<v Speaker 4>more of a At the very beginning, we discussed like

1775
01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:26.000
<v Speaker 4>the transactional nature like the Some people have called it

1776
01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:29.039
<v Speaker 4>the third worldification of magic because it's become like a

1777
01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:32.880
<v Speaker 4>botanica magic like a very it's all transactional. So it

1778
01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:36.520
<v Speaker 4>was like get this, get that, some in this goetic

1779
01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:39.199
<v Speaker 4>do this. And I think that part of that was

1780
01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:41.640
<v Speaker 4>because that's kind of the magic. Like my generation and

1781
01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:45.199
<v Speaker 4>magicians was raised on like the bout the Bog forum

1782
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:49.359
<v Speaker 4>and you know, watching Eric's YouTube videos and like you know,

1783
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:53.000
<v Speaker 4>it's like very showmanship. Like I was never really attracted

1784
01:39:53.039 --> 01:39:54.800
<v Speaker 4>to it, but I was like you know, I'm into

1785
01:39:55.319 --> 01:39:59.039
<v Speaker 4>chaos magic and frameworks and looking at and lifting frameworks

1786
01:39:59.039 --> 01:40:02.199
<v Speaker 4>from maybe there original context, but also like looking at

1787
01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:04.600
<v Speaker 4>what the original context was as best as I could.

1788
01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:11.840
<v Speaker 4>So it did seem to prove like a roadmap in

1789
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.760
<v Speaker 4>some ways, but I agree that it's not a good

1790
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:18.600
<v Speaker 4>path like it just didn't. It doesn't result in fruit.

1791
01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:21.520
<v Speaker 4>So I would rather focus on things that do personally.

1792
01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:24.279
<v Speaker 4>That's just my personal opinion now. So I think I've

1793
01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:26.600
<v Speaker 4>matured though, and I think that's also part of like,

1794
01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:28.720
<v Speaker 4>and Jordan touched on this, Like you said what he

1795
01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:31.079
<v Speaker 4>would practice at twenty but will use the magic number

1796
01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:34.720
<v Speaker 4>twenty two? Is it going to be different than what

1797
01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:37.600
<v Speaker 4>you're going to practice at like in my mid thirty

1798
01:40:37.640 --> 01:40:40.680
<v Speaker 4>sea exactly, So like what because your mind is different,

1799
01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:43.159
<v Speaker 4>you've like matured a little and you're able to kind

1800
01:40:43.159 --> 01:40:46.119
<v Speaker 4>of put those things aside. So no, I thought that

1801
01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:47.079
<v Speaker 4>was a great point as well.

1802
01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you, Jean and Ethan, is anything you'd

1803
01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:52.199
<v Speaker 2>like to add before?

1804
01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:55.399
<v Speaker 3>I'd just like to say that was a really grounded

1805
01:40:55.720 --> 01:41:00.960
<v Speaker 3>take on spirituality. And to your point on there being

1806
01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:05.159
<v Speaker 3>a lacking of initiation, I think it's more people are

1807
01:41:05.279 --> 01:41:09.119
<v Speaker 3>looking for prosperity instead of looking for that inner journey,

1808
01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:15.760
<v Speaker 3>that inner course of initiation, right, tendency not totality. I

1809
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.600
<v Speaker 3>just want to say, I really appreciate your perspective.

1810
01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I welcome the kind of words. You know, there's

1811
01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>a time and place for magic of necessity, right, especially

1812
01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>if you look at like the African diasporatic traditions and

1813
01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>stuff and why some of those things came about. But

1814
01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>in a in a first world, in a modern world,

1815
01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:41.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know how how much of a

1816
01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:44.560
<v Speaker 1>necessity it is to you know, get you know, the

1817
01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>hop aarista to give you her phone number, you know,

1818
01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:49.840
<v Speaker 1>through magic, right, you know, like that, you know, and

1819
01:41:49.880 --> 01:41:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that's what has come down to. It's like, you know,

1820
01:41:53.960 --> 01:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>so it's like there's a time and place. Look, if

1821
01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>you're in danger, there might be you know, like who

1822
01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:06.439
<v Speaker 1>do is effective, you know, but it's not gonna I don't.

1823
01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think in that practice that way, it's going

1824
01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:13.279
<v Speaker 1>to evolve you in a true initiated tradition of who do,

1825
01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>not just someone who gets a book of who do

1826
01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:17.479
<v Speaker 1>and tries to do some honey traps and you know,

1827
01:42:17.600 --> 01:42:19.680
<v Speaker 1>wipe someone's name on the toilet paper wipe their ass

1828
01:42:19.680 --> 01:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>with it to make the person go away. It actually works,

1829
01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:28.880
<v Speaker 1>but you like, it's you know, that's a very Western view.

1830
01:42:28.880 --> 01:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a cultural appropriated view. And you know, I hate

1831
01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:35.880
<v Speaker 1>using those terms, but it's like it's just ripped from

1832
01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:40.399
<v Speaker 1>its deep roots and the tradition that comes with it

1833
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:43.039
<v Speaker 1>and the practices that come within the community that comes

1834
01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>with it, which is the spiritual side of it. You know,

1835
01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>we just take the you know, commodity of it. You know,

1836
01:42:49.960 --> 01:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>we just buy the one thing, you know, the spirituar.

1837
01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>And actually you can buy a premate spiritual honey jar,

1838
01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:56.760
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and they'll even they'll sell you the

1839
01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:59.079
<v Speaker 1>honey too. Like you can't even get the honey from

1840
01:42:59.079 --> 01:43:01.079
<v Speaker 1>the person with the bees in your local area. Now

1841
01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:03.399
<v Speaker 1>you got to buy the Amazon honey. You know, they

1842
01:43:03.439 --> 01:43:07.039
<v Speaker 1>put in your honey jar so that someone will be

1843
01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>kind to you when you write their name put in

1844
01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the jar.

1845
01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:10.439
<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it could work, but why you can also just

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01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>say hi and smile?

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<v Speaker 2>Try that first, right, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know, you know, it's worth worth a shot. Sure,

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01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll get more people to hate me because of that.

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01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever say anything? People only hear the thing

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01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:32.640
<v Speaker 1>that you say, and not the full thing like the

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01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:36.239
<v Speaker 1>honoring of the tradition and why you know it should

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01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:39.319
<v Speaker 1>be seen in the tradition. They'll they'll hear you shout

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<v Speaker 1>on who do like, No, I didn't, it's not what

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a very good point again, Jin and Ethan,

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01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I have your I'll have your links on the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>with the show notes. Jordan, did you want to promote

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01:43:55.439 --> 01:43:57.079
<v Speaker 2>yourself again and let anybody know where they can you

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01:43:57.119 --> 01:43:59.479
<v Speaker 2>know what you're about or what you want to push?

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01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean, I'm not here to

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01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:05.640
<v Speaker 1>push anything other than just you know, be a good

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01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:10.479
<v Speaker 1>human however you want be a good human. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see what I'm up to and more

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01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:16.760
<v Speaker 1>on the medicine side and some of the podcasts and

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01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:18.720
<v Speaker 1>stuff that I'm doing that has nothing to do with

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01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:21.520
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, you can follow me on my socials, which

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01:44:21.560 --> 01:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>is you know, under my name A jbarb Lac. You know,

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01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:27.600
<v Speaker 1>most social some more active than others, but you know

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01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:31.399
<v Speaker 1>they're out there. You can always contact me on there. Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll send you, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>You can send me a bunch of links and I'll

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01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:34.680
<v Speaker 2>put them in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and stuff like that. I'll send them over.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, you know I do online herbal consultations and if

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01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you're in Brooklyn, you know we have a clinic as

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01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:48.319
<v Speaker 1>well focused on pain. And you know, if you're into

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01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:51.000
<v Speaker 1>pelic floor awareness, this is public floor Awareness Month that

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01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:53.119
<v Speaker 1>we're going into and I'll be talking at length for

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01:44:53.199 --> 01:44:56.039
<v Speaker 1>the next month about public floor dysfunction. So if you're

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01:44:56.039 --> 01:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>into that, follow me. Especially for men. It's on talked

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01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:03.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not talked about for men. Women know about it,

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01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:10.720
<v Speaker 1>but men don't You want to have better orgasms public floor? Yeah? No, men,

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01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>age you know, you want to do all this cultivation,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to to be a you know, a champion

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<v Speaker 1>you know at sex, you know, especially the Dallas practices.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, if your public floor is tight from lifting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as we get older, public floors get tight

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01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:29.000
<v Speaker 1>or or yeah, out of disuse, and they had affects

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01:45:29.000 --> 01:45:32.359
<v Speaker 1>the ability to quality the orgasm for this. So hey,

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01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:36.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, if that's your thing, next month, I'll be

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01:45:36.399 --> 01:45:41.039
<v Speaker 1>talking about that a lot. So yeah, So that's the

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<v Speaker 1>type of content I'm doing right now. Definitely, But I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the offer of coming on here. Years ago when

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01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Nick offered I it wasn't for any of this. I

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01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.239
<v Speaker 1>was just like, let's come and shoot the ship of

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01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:59.199
<v Speaker 1>about occult stuff. But you know, I'm happy to kind

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01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:01.439
<v Speaker 1>of come on here and we have a thing to

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01:46:01.520 --> 01:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of at least anchor it into be a good

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01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:06.479
<v Speaker 1>human or is that like I feel like that's like

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01:46:06.520 --> 01:46:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Bill and Tad right land to each other or something

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01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:13.039
<v Speaker 1>like that. Right, and then that's it. But you know,

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01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>if you want to follow my work, please do. I

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01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:19.159
<v Speaker 1>could always use more subscribers. I'm blowing up on TikTok.

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01:46:19.239 --> 01:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I've got fifty four people on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, all right, yeah my view.

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01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Count is like through the roof, but no one subscribes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's well yeah, but yeah, I'll definitely get your links

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom. You can send me whatever you want. Uh, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you finally for coming on. Man. I had a blast.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome. Definitely. I'm sure we could definitely have

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<v Speaker 2>a chat about something else in the future. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it, and Ethan and Jen it was awesome

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01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>meeting you and talking about this stuff, and like my boss,

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01:46:50.119 --> 01:46:52.319
<v Speaker 1>it's just good to be around, you know, fill people

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01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:53.920
<v Speaker 1>where you could just talk to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely would like to get you on with other

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01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>fellow cult rejects. There was a pluthora of other people

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01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>that exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>One of us, one of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all right, well, uh that's it again. Thank you Jin,

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01:47:09.119 --> 01:47:11.079
<v Speaker 2>and thank you Ethan, and thank you Jordan. I really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. And that is the end of another reculd

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<v Speaker 2>rejects and until the next one, everybody be well later