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<v Speaker 1>Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and just

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<v Speaker 1>not intended for all audiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 3>On to know.

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<v Speaker 2>As I heard.

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<v Speaker 4>Shooting upstairs and then my my mother yelling and screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say. I have to thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of you are so nice, you really are. I

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<v Speaker 1>had mentioned something briefly about an illness that I suffered

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<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of years, and so many of

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<v Speaker 1>you reached out and said, you know, you were praying

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<v Speaker 1>for me, that you hope that got better, that you

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<v Speaker 1>were curious about what it was. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>put certain parts of my life out there in the public,

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just not a good idea. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to thank all of you for the kind words.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really thinking about maybe this being the last

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<v Speaker 1>season of Sword and Scale ever, because kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>a transitional period and a lot of the audiences dropped off,

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<v Speaker 1>probably due to some of the politics of some of

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<v Speaker 1>the themes we cover here. But I took a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks to just clear my mind, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm gonna do that. I don't think I can

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<v Speaker 1>do that. The show is now firmly part of me,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just gonna keep making it better. Police move

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<v Speaker 1>through a developing Utah complex and full tactical gear. The

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<v Speaker 1>rifles up in place, shields folk boots scraping over dirt

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<v Speaker 1>and construction dust. Their eyes dart back and forth past

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<v Speaker 1>fresh block walls, unfinished houses, open lots, and weeds tall

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<v Speaker 1>enough to perhaps hide someone someone named Mia Bailey. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been looking for her since the previous evening, through a

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<v Speaker 1>dry creek bed near river road, under bridges, and around

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<v Speaker 1>a golf course. They're searching with drones, a helicopter, and

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<v Speaker 1>a canine dog. Tracking through the dark. Swat teams are poised.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers have gone house to house, asking neighbors what they saw,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they know Mia, and whether they have any idea

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<v Speaker 1>where she might have gone. By morning, the search has

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<v Speaker 1>shifted into this new subdivision, where officers have to clear backyards,

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<v Speaker 1>check unsecured houses, and try to keep residents out of

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<v Speaker 1>the line of fire. From above, the scene is all

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<v Speaker 1>angles and movement. Patrol cars blocking new streets, Officers posted

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<v Speaker 1>at corners. Other deputies move alongside yards and unfinished walls,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them watching the same rough field behind the homes.

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<v Speaker 1>Mia is armed and she's desperate. Police believe she has

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<v Speaker 1>already killed two people.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a John jrge Police defendment. Come out of

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<v Speaker 6>bed jar.

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<v Speaker 7>Maria.

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<v Speaker 8>This is a kind of George story. Ste found that

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<v Speaker 8>if you come out of it as up.

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<v Speaker 9>I comply if you will now be injured again, come

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<v Speaker 9>out of the as you are regularly.

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<v Speaker 1>That this is a new neighborhood. In a way, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems post apocalyptic or dystopian. The sun is glaring, bullhorns blaring,

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<v Speaker 1>but the landscape is barren and dry.

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<v Speaker 10>My name is Courtney Sanagra. I'm a deputy Washington County Attorney.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm a prosecutor, and I'm also our office's public information officer,

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<v Speaker 10>and I was involved in the Mia Bailey case from

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<v Speaker 10>the night of the incident. Any of the experiences that

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<v Speaker 10>I share are my own personal experiences, my own personal opinions,

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<v Speaker 10>and not necessarily reflective of the Washington County Attorney's Office.

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<v Speaker 10>This is a nice neighborhood in our county, more affluent.

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<v Speaker 10>In fact, one of our top attorneys lived just across

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<v Speaker 10>the street from the scene, and so she came out.

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<v Speaker 10>She was gardening. She's like trimming her rose bushes and

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<v Speaker 10>all these cop cars are there responding.

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<v Speaker 1>Behind the houses, the land opens into a rough dirt

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<v Speaker 1>field dotted with dry brush and tumbleweight. In places, the

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<v Speaker 1>weeds are high enough to hide a person. Officers move

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<v Speaker 1>car to car, waile the wall, trying to hold a

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<v Speaker 1>perimeter around it. Some of the homes have residents, and

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<v Speaker 1>some are still under construction. Every open door, every backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>every unfinished garage is another place Mia could be hiding.

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<v Speaker 1>No one wants to be that officer who accidentally walks

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<v Speaker 1>past her. They clear what they can, They watch their angles,

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<v Speaker 1>and they call out warnings. They talk over the radio

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<v Speaker 1>about crossfire. The helicopter overhead is noisy, making it hard

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<v Speaker 1>to hear each other. Then finally someone gets eyes on her.

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<v Speaker 9>I tell her we have the helicopter and we can

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<v Speaker 9>see her, and to comply, that's going to be us.

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<v Speaker 9>She's thirty yards out, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On the ground under a burn. Mia. We can see

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<v Speaker 2>you on the ground, laying down.

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<v Speaker 9>We need you to put your hands up, stand up,

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<v Speaker 9>nothing in your hands, and apply with officer command.

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<v Speaker 6>Walk towards the headlights.

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<v Speaker 1>She's loaded the ground, hidden under a patch of dried weeds,

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<v Speaker 1>about fifteen feet from a tall block wall in one hand.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a handgun. Most of the time, she keeps

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<v Speaker 1>it pressed to her temple. From an upstairs window, officers

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<v Speaker 1>watch the scene below them. Mia in the dirt, the

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<v Speaker 1>gun at her head, rifles pointed in her direction. Negotiators

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<v Speaker 1>trying to reach her from the other side of the wall.

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<v Speaker 11>Mia, missus Tyler with the Saint George Poene.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 9>Mark?

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<v Speaker 2>You that's on in the field loose enough, Maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>think you can try to and hear some conversations.

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<v Speaker 11>I can't hear.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll turn you, rid you off.

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<v Speaker 3>Nea.

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<v Speaker 11>This is Tyler with the same George pd Can you

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<v Speaker 11>hear me? Okay, Mia, I'm here to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm here to help you through this. I know that

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<v Speaker 11>you're going through a rough time right now, and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm here to help you out. We want to definitely

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<v Speaker 11>come to a peaceful resolve. We don't want you to

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<v Speaker 11>get hurt. We don't want any of us to get hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Making contact isn't easy. Mia is hidden behind a wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers are spread out around the field, and a drone

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<v Speaker 1>overhead is drowning out her voice.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, Meat, we want to help you. We don't want

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<v Speaker 11>you to do anything to yourself. We don't want you

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<v Speaker 11>to do anything to us. So we want to come

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<v Speaker 11>up with a plan on how we can help you. Okay, Miah,

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<v Speaker 11>I heard that you said, okay, but I couldn't hear

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<v Speaker 11>the rest. I need you to need you to put

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<v Speaker 11>the weapon down and put your hands up in the

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<v Speaker 11>air so we can know that we can talk safely.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay. I can't do that. Okay, why can't you do that? Mia?

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<v Speaker 1>The whole neighborhood is on lockdown, Tensions are high, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is a volatile situation. Mia shouts something about her

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<v Speaker 1>last hope and then makes it clear she doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to the police. She wants someone else. They

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<v Speaker 1>always want someone else, I.

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<v Speaker 12>Protor.

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<v Speaker 11>She said that you you want to talk to the prosecutor. Okay, Mia,

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<v Speaker 11>we can help you talk to a prosecutor. We can

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<v Speaker 11>help you talk to an attorney. But obviously, in this

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<v Speaker 11>situation where you're at right now, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 11>come out to where we're at because it's it's not safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the officer has positioned himself and can hear better,

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<v Speaker 1>he realizes that Mia is shouting about a last chance

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<v Speaker 1>and a nuclear option. It was clear they were dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with someone who was desperate. The officers in that field

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<v Speaker 1>weren't starting from zero. They were negotiating with a killer,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to keep her alive and make sure no one

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<v Speaker 1>else in the proximity or broader community would be hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>But before police ever found Mia in that field, her

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<v Speaker 1>phone had already called nine one one, not because she

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<v Speaker 1>had called for help, but because she'd thrown it from

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<v Speaker 1>her car and the phone thought it had crashed.

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<v Speaker 13>Hello, can hear me?

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<v Speaker 14>This is nine one one.

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<v Speaker 7>The owner of his iPhone was in.

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<v Speaker 2>A severe car passion.

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<v Speaker 12>Is not responding to this home.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost at the same time, another call came in from

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood that Mia had just fled.

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<v Speaker 15>Nine On the other the emergency, My neighbors just came

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<v Speaker 15>running down the road lying call nine one line her

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<v Speaker 15>gunshop and a yellow Chia's whole that just stropped away

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<v Speaker 15>from their house.

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<v Speaker 16>I don't know what so in the house, So in

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<v Speaker 16>our house, run inside, grab a towel.

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<v Speaker 17>So in the house, they.

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<v Speaker 8>Just served us the shriek.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm not even here where my neighbors went.

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<v Speaker 2>They just came screaming, yelling, not I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>If we're getting other calls about it as well, so

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what happened. He had to come in

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<v Speaker 7>our front door.

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<v Speaker 2>But as the wall of.

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<v Speaker 1>The neighbor told dispatch what they heard from outside, gunshots, panic,

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<v Speaker 1>and a yellow Kia Soul leaving the area. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was another call coming directly from the survivors and they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to tell dispatch exactly what they had lived through.

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<v Speaker 14>One one, what is the address on? I need an

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<v Speaker 14>officer to ten thirty nine East Drives.

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<v Speaker 2>There's gunshots?

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, is somebody shot?

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<v Speaker 15>I think so you shot?

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<v Speaker 18>Yes?

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<v Speaker 14>Can you see the person?

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<v Speaker 14>Did you hear gunshots?

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<v Speaker 17>Yes?

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 14>Okay. It looks like we've gotten a couple other calls

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<v Speaker 14>about this, and we're getting help on the way right now.

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<v Speaker 14>Can you see anything that's going on?

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<v Speaker 19>You know, we just went to the house.

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<v Speaker 20>Okay, leads to Please, we've got help on the way

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<v Speaker 20>right now.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, I want you to stay on the line with

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<v Speaker 14>me and let me know what you hear and what

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<v Speaker 14>you see. Okay, don't do anything that you feel like.

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<v Speaker 14>What's you in danger? What something shot at your house?

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<v Speaker 19>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Shot upstairs?

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<v Speaker 14>Do you think your parents were shot upstairs? Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 14>have you been upstairs to check?

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<v Speaker 21>No?

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<v Speaker 14>Did someone come into your house to shoot?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, we're downstairs and I started hearing gunshots and.

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<v Speaker 19>Screaming up to this.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, were you able to hear anybody upstairs?

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<v Speaker 16>Gunshots and screaming?

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<v Speaker 14>Gunshots and screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But it wasn't over. After the gun was fired upstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>the caller heard footsteps pounding on each step as the

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<v Speaker 1>shooter headed towards the basement. Corey and his wife had

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<v Speaker 1>no choice but to flee out the window even as

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<v Speaker 1>shots were being fired through the door, and after making

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<v Speaker 1>it to the neighbor's house, they had no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>condition their parents were in. Were they alive or were

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<v Speaker 1>they dead.

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<v Speaker 14>We do have officers in a loose perimeter in the area.

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<v Speaker 14>That's their biggest priority before sending medical units in to

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<v Speaker 14>help your parents, okay, is just to make sure that

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<v Speaker 14>the scene is safe. But as soon as they secured

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<v Speaker 14>the scene, medical will go in to help your parents.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Okay, that's definitely not what you want to be

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<v Speaker 5>told after hearing multiple gunshots, screaming, and then silence from upstairs,

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<v Speaker 5>when you know your parents were up there going about

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<v Speaker 5>their evening routine.

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<v Speaker 1>personnel not We have to clear the scene first, it

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<v Speaker 10>was working late at our office. Actually it was like

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<v Speaker 10>eight pm. I was a brand new prosecutor. I've been

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<v Speaker 10>other attorneys were also there, and one of them had

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<v Speaker 10>the on call phone and came down and said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 10>there was a double homicide. Do you want to go

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<v Speaker 10>This sounds gruesome, But I did want that experience for

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<v Speaker 1>The chaos had passed by the time Courtney arrived, Me

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<v Speaker 1>and his brother Corey and his wife were safe at

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<v Speaker 1>the neighbor's house. Officers were at the scene and were

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<v Speaker 1>also tracking the killer, but in eerie calm, this now

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<v Speaker 1>filled the Bailey home. The ordinary details were still sitting

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where Gail and Joseph Bailey had left them.

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<v Speaker 10>But something that stood out to me where it did

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<v Speaker 10>feel just very eerie, as when you walked in. The

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<v Speaker 10>and there was a living room and MSNBC was on

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<v Speaker 10>on the TV, and there's two dead bodies in the

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<v Speaker 10>living room area. Joseph was actually down the hallway, but

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<v Speaker 10>Gail was in the living room, and I just thought, Wow,

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<v Speaker 10>these people were just having a normal night. They're watching

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<v Speaker 1>That's the kind of image you can't shake from your brain,

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<v Speaker 1>not just the stark faces of death, but the reminder

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<v Speaker 1>that they were just alive just a minute ago. The

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<v Speaker 1>television is still on, still filling the room with disembodied voices,

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<v Speaker 1>but nobody's listening anymore. The furniture is still in place,

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<v Speaker 1>seats cooling where a body had just sat. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an ordinary evening, the kind we all picture because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind we all live every day. You're just sitting

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<v Speaker 10>When I did see Joseph, he was laying face up

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<v Speaker 10>and there was a little bit of blood coming from

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<v Speaker 10>his head. What I remember most is his glasses were

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<v Speaker 10>split in two. He had worn like spectacles, and it

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<v Speaker 10>was clean shots to his forehead right where his glasses

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<v Speaker 10>had been. But the mom was just off the sofa.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know if she was sitting down. I don't

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<v Speaker 10>know if she had stood up, but she was found

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<v Speaker 10>face front near the sofa, shot in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>But Mia didn't stop with just her parents. She was

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<v Speaker 1>out for blood and there was more blood to shed

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<v Speaker 1>in the basement where her brother's family was staying.

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<v Speaker 10>Then we went downstairs and there were children's toys everywhere

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<v Speaker 10>in this downstairs living room area, little kid's toys. And

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<v Speaker 10>that gave me the chills, because what if these kids,

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<v Speaker 10>who were MIA's nieces and nephews had been home.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time investigators finished walking through the house. They

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<v Speaker 1>know what Mia did, but they just can't imagine why

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<v Speaker 1>family like a wounded coyote. And this is a story

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<v Speaker 1>that can only be told by Mia. By this point.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the night of June eighteenth, twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>In Washington City, Utah. Investigators are on a manhunt for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight year old Miya Bailey. On the evening of

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<v Speaker 1>June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, she stormed into the family

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<v Speaker 1>home and executed both of her parents. When she heard

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<v Speaker 1>her brother's voice in the basement, she went for him

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife too. Thankfully, they escaped through a bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>window before the bullets could reach them, and when investigators

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<v Speaker 1>walked through the house afterwards, the horror wasn't only upstairs. Downstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>where MIA's nieces and nephews might have been, children's toys

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<v Speaker 1>were still scattered across the room, police could clearly make

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<v Speaker 1>out what happened at the scene, and besides, casings were

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<v Speaker 1>left behind. Mia, however, had vanished into the dark in

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<v Speaker 1>a yellow Kiah, armed and desperate. The question would follow

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<v Speaker 1>them through the night from the quiet, blood stained house

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington City to the streets of nearby Saint George.

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<v Speaker 1>The chase would come to a head in a half

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<v Speaker 1>built neighborhood on the edge of town, where Mia would

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<v Speaker 1>finally be found in a patch of Weeds with a

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<v Speaker 1>gun to her head before the standoff ended. Before Mia

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<v Speaker 1>was brought into the interview room, investigators were already working backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>While officers in Saint George tried to keep her alive,

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<v Speaker 1>Other investigators were calling the people who had seen her,

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<v Speaker 1>heard from her, or knew what had been happening in

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<v Speaker 1>the days and hours before the shooting. They were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to build a picture of Mia before the field, before

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<v Speaker 1>the gun, before the house, and one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of that picture came from someone Mia had only

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<v Speaker 1>recently started dating, and even in that short time, he

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<v Speaker 1>had already seen signs that Mia was not okay.

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<v Speaker 6>How did you meet Mia?

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<v Speaker 8>No matter how?

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<v Speaker 16>He's the place where I work, maybe like a week

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<v Speaker 16>and a half ago out there, and she just seem nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Asked her if she had facebooks. She said yes, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it's kind of how I got to.

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<v Speaker 19>Know each other.

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<v Speaker 22>So you known her for a week and a half, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 22>I can tell that she wanted to progress things fast.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, are you guys boyfriend and girlfriend or what? Were

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<v Speaker 6>you just starting dating? Well just kind of starting okay,

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<v Speaker 6>but nothing was official.

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<v Speaker 18>Well, she put on her Facebook that he was her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that surprised me when.

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<v Speaker 18>I said to Corny, how did you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 18>You know, because he hadn't even known.

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<v Speaker 6>Her, so she made that decision on her own.

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<v Speaker 22>Okay, Yeah, I just got out of her relationship before

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<v Speaker 22>and it was hard broken over, so I wasn't looking

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<v Speaker 22>to jump into.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything right away.

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<v Speaker 1>A week and a half isn't very long, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was long enough for him to notice two things. Mia

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<v Speaker 1>wanted the relationship to move faster than he did, and

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<v Speaker 1>underneath that something was off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 22>I just I just started to get to know her

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<v Speaker 22>like a couple of weeks ago. Okay, I don't know

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<v Speaker 22>her very well. Okay, I think I know that she

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<v Speaker 22>was kind of depressed and I could tell that she

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<v Speaker 22>told me she used to cut herself, and as far

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<v Speaker 22>as where she is, I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't view her depression or even her fast paced

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<v Speaker 1>as a red flag, though they were starting out as

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<v Speaker 1>friends and even had plans that evening.

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<v Speaker 22>When was the last time we talked to her yesterday? Well,

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<v Speaker 22>I left this morning.

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<v Speaker 16>When I texted her, we were going to arrange like,

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<v Speaker 16>you know, like a game date night, and that's she

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<v Speaker 16>said she had to get her her stuff. I guess

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<v Speaker 16>her family's home. And that's the fast I heard from her.

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<v Speaker 23>She's like, I'd be sure to I said, be sure

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<v Speaker 23>to tell me what other games she has, like Morgan's

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<v Speaker 23>and she said she has to rabbit you know there,

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<v Speaker 23>And then I said, bring her again would be funny.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the last uh I heard from her. Right there,

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<v Speaker 3>that was.

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<v Speaker 1>A version of Mia. He knew that morning there was

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<v Speaker 1>someone making date night plans and talking about board games,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who was normal.

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<v Speaker 8>It was true.

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<v Speaker 1>Mia was in the middle of moving out of one

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<v Speaker 1>place into another and away from the people who had

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<v Speaker 1>been letting her stay with them.

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<v Speaker 22>She said, she's in the process of moving, but I

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<v Speaker 22>don't are you aware of her renting like any U

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<v Speaker 22>haul trucks or anything like that?

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<v Speaker 6>Oka say where she was moving to?

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<v Speaker 3>She said she was applied to a few different places.

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<v Speaker 22>She says she tried Jewel Plaza and then she said

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<v Speaker 22>it fell through and then I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why they denied her, but that's all

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<v Speaker 3>so I know.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, do you know of any other friends she has?

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<v Speaker 6>If you ever hung out with any other friends with

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<v Speaker 6>her or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen her with her cousin and that's that's all

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<v Speaker 3>I love you with.

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<v Speaker 6>She seems you know her. Her cousin is yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay, Joe Jay.

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<v Speaker 1>The cousin was Jay, and the house Mia had been

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<v Speaker 1>staying and belonged to Jay's mother, MIA's aunt, Jenny. So

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<v Speaker 1>investigators called Jenny next. She had seen Mia that afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>just hours before the first nine one one calls came in.

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<v Speaker 20>Hello, Hello, hells Jenny, Hey Jenny, this is Detective John

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<v Speaker 20>Doe with.

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<v Speaker 2>Washington City Police Department.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, so you got a second I can talk with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Put your belt on, Yeah, go ahead, I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 20>I'm here at on scene trying to gather some more information, Okay, And.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just wanted to kind of talk with you

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<v Speaker 2>real quick and.

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<v Speaker 20>See when the last time you talked with MEA was

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<v Speaker 20>in five forty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Five forty seven, that was almost exactly one hour before

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<v Speaker 1>Mia shot her parents. Surely Aunt Jenny would have some clues.

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<v Speaker 21>I called her because her mother had called my mom

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<v Speaker 21>our mom, and they have not had a great relationship.

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<v Speaker 21>And after mom talked with my sister, I called.

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<v Speaker 8>Me because she had been at the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier to pick up our things out of the garage.

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<v Speaker 21>Because the moment into a story area out of your

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<v Speaker 21>house of this house up here from your house or

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<v Speaker 21>this house here, No, from my house. She came to

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<v Speaker 21>our house in Islands because she's been storing her things there,

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<v Speaker 21>some of her things. So she had sent me earlier

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<v Speaker 21>in the day and said I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to come by and get my things.

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<v Speaker 21>And I said that's fine, but you're welcome to leave

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<v Speaker 21>them here. And she said no, I want an air

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<v Speaker 21>conditioned unit.

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<v Speaker 19>And I said okay, because whatever.

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<v Speaker 17>So she showed up and I don't know what time means.

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<v Speaker 24>It was forty.

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<v Speaker 21>About four o'clock and got her stuff.

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<v Speaker 25>My husband was in the garage w her.

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<v Speaker 20>She was fine, okay, so nothing. She wasn't acting super

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<v Speaker 20>crazy or upset, anything that would make you concern that

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<v Speaker 20>something like this was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 9>No, Rick said, in the garage, she seemed perfectly normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank him, calm. I mean, no idea where she got

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<v Speaker 2>it done.

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<v Speaker 1>When Jenny said Mia was fine, but fine can actually

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<v Speaker 1>be a complicated word. Fine for the moment, fine for

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<v Speaker 1>the hour. What exactly does fine mean? Are you fine?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I fine? I don't know, because only weeks earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>Mia definitely didn't seem fine.

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<v Speaker 21>I know she's at times heard voices.

434
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<v Speaker 11>That was kind of new to me.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Three weeks ago. Whether that was happening in the last

436
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Speaker 2>few days, I don't know. If he had to run in,

437
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. So you said, Ni's been hearing voices.

438
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<v Speaker 25>I don't know.

439
00:25:59.480 --> 00:25:59.880
<v Speaker 2>A couple of.

440
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:09.119
<v Speaker 21>The hospital mats fixed around, and she came She's always

441
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 21>been very docile around us.

442
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Aunt Jenny's call gave investigators the only version of Mia

443
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>she knew, calm enough to move her things, familiar enough

444
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 1>with the family to sound docile, but unstable enough that

445
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:27.279
<v Speaker 1>she had recently checked herself into a hospital due to

446
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 1>hearing voices. Then another witness came forward. This was someone

447
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 1>with no family history, no context, and no reason to

448
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>read danger into what she saw. But danger isn't what

449
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 1>grabbed her attention. Something else did.

450
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.759
<v Speaker 25>I My husband and I were at the old Saint

451
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<v Speaker 25>George Temple.

452
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<v Speaker 18>We just finished some.

453
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 25>Ceilings and we were coming down to the first floor.

454
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.720
<v Speaker 25>And when you entered that temple, before you go, you

455
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.279
<v Speaker 25>know the front desk to the left, there's a a

456
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.079
<v Speaker 25>they call it a family room, like a waiting room

457
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:11.279
<v Speaker 25>in there. And so when we were coming out.

458
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 3>That girl.

459
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.519
<v Speaker 25>Came out of the family waiting room and was starting

460
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 25>to exit the temple, and I was behind her.

461
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:24.680
<v Speaker 26>And when I first saw her.

462
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:29.680
<v Speaker 25>I thought, oh my gosh, she had a this skirt

463
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.480
<v Speaker 25>on that was about like four into the bovonee and

464
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.200
<v Speaker 25>it was like shooting out like a ballerina skirt.

465
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<v Speaker 27>You know.

466
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:40.519
<v Speaker 25>But she had called cowgirl boots on at the same time.

467
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 25>It just got my attention, you know. Okay, But I thought,

468
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.400
<v Speaker 25>it's probably a family member that's waiting, you know, maybe

469
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 25>somebody got married or something. And so as we exited

470
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 25>the temple, this thought came to my mind. Show her

471
00:27:55.920 --> 00:28:00.559
<v Speaker 25>the love of the Savior, right, And because it's somebody daughter,

472
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 25>you want them to know, you know, they're different.

473
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 5>So I said, hey, old lady.

474
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 25>I love those cowgirl boats. I had a ranch for

475
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 25>thirty years and I noticed any really cute cowgirl boats

476
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 25>always right. And she turned around and she said, why,

477
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 25>thank you. I said, but I have to admit I'm

478
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.680
<v Speaker 25>older now and I can't wear what we used to

479
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 25>call And I said that the letters as kickers because

480
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 25>it kills my toes.

481
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 1>It was the kind of trivial conversation that people forget

482
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 1>five minutes later, a compliment, a quick laugh, nothing that

483
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:47.079
<v Speaker 1>sounded like a warning, nothing that sounded like someone was

484
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 1>about to snap, about to flip out and destroy the

485
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:54.319
<v Speaker 1>lives closest to them in a matter of hours, until

486
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:59.359
<v Speaker 1>she realized that what she was seeing wasn't really what

487
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.519
<v Speaker 1>she was So she raised.

488
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:04.839
<v Speaker 28>Her leg.

489
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 25>To show me.

490
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 18>You know, just had a little.

491
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.920
<v Speaker 25>Tiny square at the end of these white boots. And

492
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.519
<v Speaker 25>she says, well, you just have to learn to get

493
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 25>in to fit a certain way. And when she did that,

494
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.079
<v Speaker 25>I have in my mind I said, this is guy.

495
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 25>Oh right there, I knew with hairy legs and guy's legs.

496
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.200
<v Speaker 25>And you know, she was taller than me. I'm five

497
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:37.319
<v Speaker 25>foot eight, she was tall taller. And then I just

498
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 25>realized your voice.

499
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean it wasn't like.

500
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 25>A low voice, but it was different.

501
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:49.200
<v Speaker 17>And anyway, I said, I said.

502
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:53.559
<v Speaker 25>Well, they are really cute boots. And so so we

503
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 25>started walking and said, well you have enjoyed this beautiful

504
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 25>day because it was cooler that day, I said, this

505
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.519
<v Speaker 25>beautiful day.

506
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>They both went their separate ways, and this lady thought

507
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 1>nothing of it until she turned on the news that

508
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 1>night and saw a man hunt, or should I say

509
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.759
<v Speaker 1>a woman hunt. That sounds stupid.

510
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 25>He told me that I should call and let you

511
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:24.720
<v Speaker 25>guys know what happened when I talked to that guy,

512
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:30.519
<v Speaker 25>which I thought was a girl. I'm it was Tuesday

513
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 25>around three pm.

514
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 5>Ok.

515
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.680
<v Speaker 25>My son also telling you should remain anonymous because you

516
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.519
<v Speaker 25>don't ever want that guy to have your name.

517
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:42.119
<v Speaker 19>Okay.

518
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Back in the field, negotiators keep me at talking. The

519
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.359
<v Speaker 1>conversation goes on for almost an hour. She asks for

520
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>a prosecutor and talks about wanting the death penalty. She

521
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 1>asks what kind of deal can be made, but eventually

522
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the lead detective gets her to agree to a surrender plan.

523
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Mia puts the gun down, keeps her hands visible, and

524
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>walks towards the tactical team. Officers take her into custody

525
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 1>and no one else is hurt. Mia finally gets the

526
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>conversation she's been asking for. She has taken to an

527
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 1>interview room with detectives and a prosecutor to explain.

528
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.920
<v Speaker 29>I'm not so much curious as far as what happened,

529
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 29>but I'm kind of curious kind of what led up

530
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:31.000
<v Speaker 29>to it.

531
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 27>Well, let's see, Oh my backlash and community. I can't

532
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 27>go anywhere, you can't go and walks without people saying

533
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.400
<v Speaker 27>trap to to heartbreaker to a bunch of ask the

534
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:50.119
<v Speaker 27>other stuff.

535
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Mia born Colin Bailey was obviously leaving out the kindness

536
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.079
<v Speaker 1>of the woman from the Saint George Temple whim to

537
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 1>her boots and treated me I like the woman she

538
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be.

539
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:05.599
<v Speaker 19>Let's see.

540
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 27>Being homeless after I have found the abuse several times and.

541
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:18.960
<v Speaker 19>Okay, being twenty grand dad, what.

542
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 18>Does that come from?

543
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 27>Well, it comes from our loans because my brothers. This

544
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 27>comes from credit cards.

545
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.480
<v Speaker 19>It's expensive to be a single.

546
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 12>Woman and trans the.

547
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 11>Top of that.

548
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 18>Okay, so what kind of and like I said, I

549
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:39.680
<v Speaker 18>don't know all the ins and outs of, but what

550
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:41.880
<v Speaker 18>kind of expenses do you have doing that?

551
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 19>Well, it's like five hundred and twelve dollars a month

552
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 19>just doing the trail stuff.

553
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 27>So that's like getting laser treatments and medications.

554
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.359
<v Speaker 1>It was getting expensive being the woman she wanted to be.

555
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>That is laser treatments for hair removal, hormone replacement therapy.

556
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Who knows what else As for homelessness, MIA's cousin kicked

557
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>her out because he was afraid she was crazy. She

558
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>made an allegation saying a neighbor pointed a gun at her.

559
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Emotions apparently escalated, and Mia said her cousin just didn't

560
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 1>understand that allegation, by the way, wasn't verified. We brought

561
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>in doctor Stephen Levine, a psychiatrist in the Cleveland, Ohio area,

562
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.119
<v Speaker 1>to talk about gender dysphoria, mental illness, and surgery as

563
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 1>a last hope. Doctor Levine is also a professor at

564
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Case Western University. He's known for his thesis that gender

565
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>dysphoria is usually caused by psychological issues that should be

566
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 1>treated as such rather than with gender affirming care. Doctor

567
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Levine was among the earliest in his field to recognize

568
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 1>the need for research in this area. In nineteen seventy four,

569
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>he co founded a gender identity clinic through Case Western

570
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Reserve University School of Medicine. Doctor Levine has obviously had

571
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of pushback given his research in the field

572
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.559
<v Speaker 1>and his unwillingness to bend to the current politics surrounding

573
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>this ever changing issue.

574
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 30>These social cultural shift has to do with the human

575
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 30>need to reinterpret how to live one's life, how to

576
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.920
<v Speaker 30>combine the male and female interests that all of us

577
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 30>have into a way of being a man and woman.

578
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 30>So we are redefining the ways of being a man

579
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 30>and woman. But the Internet has led to a lot

580
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 30>of young people who are having distress in their lives

581
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 30>thinking that the problem, the cause of their distress is

582
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 30>not the ordinary psychiatric causes of distress, of family dysfunction

583
00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:02.119
<v Speaker 30>and personal difficulties, but it's due to the fact that

584
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 30>they didn't understand that they were a trans person and

585
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 30>some authority figure, some process on the Internet seems to

586
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Speaker 30>have influenced young people dramatically into thinking that may be

587
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.400
<v Speaker 30>their trans and so adolescents are now experimenting a great

588
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 30>deal with differences in orientation and differences in gender expression.

589
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>When someone is already depressed, isolated, autistic, suicidal, or desperate,

590
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the Internet can sometimes hand them a simple answer, this

591
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 1>is why you hurt. You are trans. But for Levine,

592
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 1>this is not the same as a stable transgender person

593
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.800
<v Speaker 1>living an ordinary life. That person, he says, is not

594
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:55.320
<v Speaker 1>a psychiatric patient. The real concern is when the identity

595
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>is tied to serious suffering, when the person isn't just

596
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>saying this is who I am, but I can't survive

597
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>unless my body changes. Mia was a perfect example of

598
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 1>someone who not only had pre existing mental health conditions,

599
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but her desperation became dangerous and the detective wanted to

600
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.280
<v Speaker 1>know how she got to that point right.

601
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 19>Let up to it was.

602
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 27>So I got a call from my social worker from

603
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 27>the hospital and.

604
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 19>I comparably kind of broken him in a way.

605
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 27>This year the details the hospital, but the worst one

606
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 27>was all was my mother to contacting them to say.

607
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 19>No one the surgery.

608
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 18>And well, mother contacted the hospital.

609
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:54.199
<v Speaker 27>Yeah, and so I know I can probably appeal it

610
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.280
<v Speaker 27>with just if that, but she went the saund was

611
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 27>very furious and I I don't want to hear explained,

612
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 27>you know, excuses we're hearing, you know, my explanation, and

613
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Speaker 27>I'm sorry and I'll do something about it any who

614
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:15.800
<v Speaker 27>I am. Uh, she don't say sorry to see her life.

615
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Apparently, whether Mia meant it this way or not, this

616
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 1>was a literal statement. Her resentment was palpable. Her mother

617
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.519
<v Speaker 1>was dead by MIA's own hand. Because her mother wouldn't

618
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 1>say sorry, Mia felt like she was holding on by

619
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 1>a thread. During the standoff, she repeatedly shouted, this was

620
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.800
<v Speaker 1>my last hope, meaning the final surgery to remove her

621
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>male genitalia, and she placed all the blame on her parents,

622
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>especially her mother. So you might be thinking, oh, those

623
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 1>mean parents, that unwoke mom who ruined her child's life.

624
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>But according to everyone except Mia, the family was as

625
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>supportive as they could be.

626
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.719
<v Speaker 10>The surgery was canceled, But our impression was that it

627
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.800
<v Speaker 10>was not canceled because her parents were simply not supportive

628
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:16.159
<v Speaker 10>of her transitioning, or her being transgender, or how she

629
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:20.440
<v Speaker 10>chose to identify, but because they were concerned more broadly

630
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.199
<v Speaker 10>about her mental health. From what I understood, her family

631
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:30.480
<v Speaker 10>was very supportive of her and her decision to transition,

632
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:37.920
<v Speaker 10>and she also struggled with other diagnoses. And I'm not

633
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 10>a medical expert, so I don't want to get into those,

634
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 10>but I believe that they were supportive of her in

635
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:48.760
<v Speaker 10>those as well. There was a prior protective order where

636
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 10>I think the family just at one point just had

637
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:55.760
<v Speaker 10>to act to protect themselves because they felt that she

638
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.400
<v Speaker 10>was a danger and a threat to them. But I

639
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.599
<v Speaker 10>think that was a last or and I do think

640
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 10>they try to support her as much as they could.

641
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Me I didn't just suffer from gender dysphoria. She had

642
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 1>a host of other mental health disorders and diagnoses, ranging

643
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>from ADHD to autism to potential schizophrenia. So her parents

644
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel like it was wise to go ahead with

645
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>such a serious and life altering surgery because the fact

646
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.039
<v Speaker 1>was this was not going to cure her mental illness,

647
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.079
<v Speaker 1>and it may just make it worse. Doctor Levine says

648
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:38.760
<v Speaker 1>this is often the danger when somebody is already carrying

649
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>serious depression, anxiety, and stability or other psychiatric issues. Surgery

650
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>might change the body without touching the deeper source of suffering.

651
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:52.639
<v Speaker 1>His evidence comes from a recent Finish study, if you

652
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>want to look that up.

653
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<v Speaker 7>So we have some evidence that even the purven to

654
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<v Speaker 7>care for the vast majority of people thords in this case,

655
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 7>do you not install their unhappiness? You see, the unhappiness

656
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:16.039
<v Speaker 7>is usually presented as suicidality, depression, anxiety, sometimes drug addiction,

657
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 7>sometimes suicidal thoughts. So we realize that that among the

658
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<v Speaker 7>majority of people who are seeking the train's solution to

659
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.599
<v Speaker 7>their unhappiness, the majority of those people may still be

660
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<v Speaker 7>unhappy after they make all these changes to their body.

661
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 7>And so people like me are saying to people before

662
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<v Speaker 7>they have its kind of medical and interventions, let's pay

663
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 7>attention to what is troubling you. What is the source

664
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<v Speaker 7>of your depression, anxiety, you're eating disorders, or whatever, whatever

665
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 7>the situation is, And let's pay attention to that. You're

666
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.320
<v Speaker 7>in charge of your gender, not me. I'm not trying

667
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 7>to change your gender. But I'm trying to do is

668
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 7>improve your mental health.

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<v Speaker 13>And that doesn't have to do with gender, and that

670
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 13>has to do with these overwhelmed symptoms of self harm, suicidality, repression, anxiety,

671
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 13>beating disorders, and sometimes the drop demands.

672
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>For me.

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<v Speaker 1>Every aspect of her mental suffering was blamed on being

674
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.119
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong body. But you know that old chicken

675
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 1>and egg analogy which came first me. I thought that

676
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.039
<v Speaker 1>everyone was against her. Her parents didn't support her, and

677
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 1>she was bullied by the community at large.

678
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:41.440
<v Speaker 10>I would say that Mia probably subjectively felt bullied and harassed,

679
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 10>but I couldn't. I don't have all the facts. I

680
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 10>don't know her life story from what I observed. I

681
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 10>don't know that the objective harassment was to the degree

682
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 10>that maybe she believed.

683
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Levine says, there's another layer to all of this,

684
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 1>beyond diagnosis, beyond treatment. There is the social question, how

685
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 1>do the people around someone respond when that person's identity

686
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 1>changes we gave him an analogy. Is it like an

687
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 1>agitated schizophrenic, for example, who might try to convince you

688
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>that you're under immediate attack based on his own delusion.

689
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you go along with it just to be safe?

690
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>And is it kindness to use the name and pronoun

691
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 1>someone wants you to use or is it an obligation?

692
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 1>And what happens when people feel pushed to accept something

693
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.920
<v Speaker 1>they don't believe is true.

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<v Speaker 28>That's a political question, that's a silk manner question.

695
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 7>If I think.

696
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 28>I am some other gender, some atypical gender, and I

697
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 28>prefer to be called they rather than he or she,

698
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<v Speaker 28>do I have the right to impose upon you my

699
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.039
<v Speaker 28>sense of reality that I'm a ay even though you

700
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:09.199
<v Speaker 28>who don't have gender dysporia or transidentity, you have learned

701
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.960
<v Speaker 28>all the days in your life that they is a

702
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 28>burrow and this is a sea of the person. And

703
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.239
<v Speaker 28>that's the wrong language. So the question is, if I

704
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 28>consider myself to be something that offends your sense of reality,

705
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 28>do I have a right to demand that you you

706
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.440
<v Speaker 28>conform to my sense of reality? And so that's the

707
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:39.320
<v Speaker 28>social debate that's going on, the only thing I could

708
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 28>say about that is that when one transitions, either in

709
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 28>a binary or non binary fashion, your sense of reality

710
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.320
<v Speaker 28>is different than the common person.

711
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 31>And so this is the price that when he pays

712
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 31>for the trans or neither a gender diverse person, we

713
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:08.440
<v Speaker 31>can use that race. The price that these people have

714
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:12.320
<v Speaker 31>to pay is that their sense of reality is different

715
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 31>than the majority of human beings that they interact with.

716
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Mia was upset because her surgery had been scheduled for

717
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 1>September ninth. Then she managed to move it up to

718
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 1>July ninth. That would have been two weeks from the

719
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>time of the murders. But remember, Mia had just checked

720
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>herself into a psychiatric hospital. She knew she wasn't stable,

721
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 1>but in the interview, Mia was vague about the hospitalization.

722
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.280
<v Speaker 1>She claimed it was more or less a prerequisite that

723
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.920
<v Speaker 1>her mom had made for them to feel okay about

724
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 1>her getting the surgery. Mia reluctantly agreed to that and

725
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 1>to some therapy if and only if her parents would

726
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>help her go through with the sex change, but something

727
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 1>went wrong. The hospital only kept her for three days.

728
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Beyond admitting ADHD and autism, she was vague about her

729
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 1>other issues like psychosis.

730
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 18>Are you have you been diagnosed?

731
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:11.559
<v Speaker 3>With schizophrenia.

732
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.719
<v Speaker 19>No, that's what I was the hospital for.

733
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Almost diagnosis.

734
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.119
<v Speaker 18>You'd never have anything that like Fung diagnosed.

735
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 27>With one was like they were diagnosed, but I knew

736
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 27>what it saw that day the guys were in there.

737
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 27>I know what he said, but nobody believed me. I

738
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 27>can't remember. It's something to do with like seeing auditory

739
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.039
<v Speaker 27>illusionscinations or something like that.

740
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.320
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, something like that. It's not quite scherzophrenia.

741
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so some form of psychosis regardless. One topic the

742
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:57.440
<v Speaker 1>detective wanted to clear up was premeditation. You could tell

743
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>in the interview that Mia was pretty lucid. That has

744
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 1>to do with being oriented to person, place and time.

745
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Do they know who they are? Do they know where

746
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.800
<v Speaker 1>they are? And do they know what time it is?

747
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Mia seemed very oriented and grounded. She knew exactly what

748
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 1>she did.

749
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.079
<v Speaker 18>And why if you could go back to yesterday, when

750
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 18>you change the outcome with your moment out.

751
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 19>I don't think there's any way to change their mind.

752
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:31.000
<v Speaker 19>So no, if they changed their mind, which I.

753
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.400
<v Speaker 27>Know they're not because they're so narcissistic, I mean, it

754
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 27>would be played out completely differently.

755
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.920
<v Speaker 19>So their answer was on them. They had their chance.

756
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 29>When they changed their answer to know, that was pretty

757
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:46.320
<v Speaker 29>much solidified their outcome.

758
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:50.000
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, in your at least in your mind. Yeah, and

759
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 19>you know basically it is now we won't do anything

760
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 19>about it.

761
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:56.800
<v Speaker 27>No, we won't apologize you and all this stuff. So,

762
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:01.360
<v Speaker 27>I mean, this was like my one last tempt after

763
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:02.280
<v Speaker 27>so many times.

764
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.280
<v Speaker 18>But I tried.

765
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 19>I'm going to give so many chances, all my family,

766
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 19>my friends, and I can't account. But I just did

767
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:13.519
<v Speaker 19>it to myself.

768
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.159
<v Speaker 27>I just you know, destroyed myself by giving him too

769
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 27>many chances, and.

770
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 19>Enough was enough.

771
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 32>Did you say a thing to your mama and you

772
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 32>wantd in? No, that's whe and that's what that was

773
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 32>actually a question I had because if if you didn't,

774
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 32>if that was so, if you walked through the door.

775
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:34.760
<v Speaker 18>So you're more than there was no option for her

776
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 18>to be able to say, Okay, yeah, I'll change my

777
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 18>mind now because I knew.

778
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:41.679
<v Speaker 19>If I knew, if I hesitated a way, do I

779
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 19>just sleep? I would have done it.

780
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.360
<v Speaker 27>And then I just regret my life more and more

781
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 27>and more I get more angrier, and then it would

782
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.280
<v Speaker 27>it wouldn't be just my mom and dad.

783
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.880
<v Speaker 18>So that decision was made to not have any conversation

784
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 18>when you walked.

785
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:54.960
<v Speaker 6>Through the door.

786
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 12>No, that was mainly killed.

787
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:02.039
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, my decision was done. I'm like, this is I'm done.

788
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:04.239
<v Speaker 3>It is Crapah that makes sense.

789
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Are you seeing a pattern yet? MIA's parents were the narcissists,

790
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:13.400
<v Speaker 1>not her. She gave them every chance except the one

791
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.119
<v Speaker 1>that mattered most of course, the one that might have

792
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 1>kept her from pulling the trigger on them. The detective asked,

793
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:26.119
<v Speaker 1>did your mom have any last words? The answer was no,

794
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.239
<v Speaker 1>because Mia didn't give her a chance. And the next

795
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.079
<v Speaker 1>thing she remembered was her dad walking down the hall

796
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 1>towards the living room, asking what was going on. So

797
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>she took him out too. It was all about Mia

798
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and all about what Mia wanted, and she had absolutely

799
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 1>no remorse.

800
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 18>And so I just want to I just I want

801
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.159
<v Speaker 18>to just clarify as far as any.

802
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 27>Remorse that you have, Well, I the remorse was I

803
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 27>didn't want to become the monster that they made mean

804
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 27>it be.

805
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.119
<v Speaker 19>I really wanted to be good.

806
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 18>I really didn't.

807
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 19>But I guess said that was a last of Astra.

808
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.679
<v Speaker 1>She says, I didn't want to become the monster they

809
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 1>made me to be. It goes without saying, but I'm

810
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna say it anyway, because I'm Mike.

811
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:26.280
<v Speaker 8>Hi.

812
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Nice to meet you. No one can make you a monster.

813
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 1>You see, there's this thing called choices. It's part of

814
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>a greater thing called personal responsibility. Should I send that

815
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.920
<v Speaker 1>out for you libtwards out there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, leave

816
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:46.800
<v Speaker 1>it in the comments, try to get me banned, whatever,

817
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 1>fuck off. But if you're honest with yourself about the

818
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 1>very obvious pattern we keep seeing over and over again,

819
00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a pattern of always looking outwards blaming whenever anything goes wrong.

820
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:08.559
<v Speaker 1>MIA's only remorseful feelings were still about what others had

821
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.800
<v Speaker 1>done to her. They made her into a monster, and

822
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.440
<v Speaker 1>she regretted that, which, by the way, I'd hate to

823
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.639
<v Speaker 1>be one of those trans surgeons who now has a

824
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.679
<v Speaker 1>perpetual target on their back because they made non reversible

825
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>changes to multiple human beings, many of which are unstable

826
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and have a perspective of blaming outwards. Some of them

827
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.960
<v Speaker 1>might change their mind in a few years and fuck

828
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.280
<v Speaker 1>around and find out, I guess. At another point, when

829
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Mia was questioned again about whether there was anything else

830
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>they should know, she turned the whole conversation on its head.

831
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.719
<v Speaker 27>Where did I can tell you what I could have

832
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:49.480
<v Speaker 27>done a lot better. And I knew all the way

833
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 27>ahead of time, but still would have got better. I

834
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.159
<v Speaker 27>could have put a silence around it. I could have

835
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.480
<v Speaker 27>cleaned their rounds so soon as I had gotten the

836
00:50:58.559 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 27>left for sunds.

837
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, you'll get a extended or threaded barrel on it. Yeah. Yeah.

838
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:06.719
<v Speaker 8>And I could have you.

839
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.440
<v Speaker 19>Know, like I said, clean the rounds, to pick up

840
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 19>the rounds. I can tell you how ex give you

841
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:13.559
<v Speaker 19>guys this.

842
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 2>All last night three helicopter.

843
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.840
<v Speaker 29>I would be more than happy to have how you

844
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 29>how you dodged arcadeine guy last night in that subdivision

845
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 29>by where that where the golf course is.

846
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Not to state the obvious or anything, but she's laughing.

847
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's laughing. Sorry, man, you don't deserve my respect.

848
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

849
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.239
<v Speaker 27>So when you passed over that wall up bush, just

850
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 27>hopping over fences, that is taking breaks.

851
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:46.559
<v Speaker 19>And then this is endurance.

852
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.840
<v Speaker 27>And then you got to watch the helicopters and they're

853
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.199
<v Speaker 27>on all that stuff so and they're waiting for backup.

854
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.719
<v Speaker 19>So it's it's taking off the main route. You're taking

855
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.599
<v Speaker 19>a bunch of different routes off road all the time.

856
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.119
<v Speaker 27>Sometimes main road just take fun who you're at and

857
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:09.239
<v Speaker 27>then off road again and hopping through. I am so

858
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 27>sorry to all the people on plants probably destroyed on accident.

859
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:16.960
<v Speaker 17>Or frocks and there shrubbery.

860
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

861
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 19>I was like, I'm sorry.

862
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:21.360
<v Speaker 18>I don't want to be here for a moment more.

863
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 19>I don't want anything yours or or you know.

864
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 27>And it's like, I apologize, but jomps up there, won't

865
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:29.920
<v Speaker 27>leave me quite yet.

866
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 18>An only reason you.

867
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.880
<v Speaker 27>Guys caught me it is because of the daytime, and

868
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:37.280
<v Speaker 27>I saw your guys.

869
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:41.000
<v Speaker 19>Drums up there by the people there. Yeah, And I

870
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:41.679
<v Speaker 19>was gonna wait.

871
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:45.840
<v Speaker 27>Till night time and then go to uh crow do

872
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 27>that fun dance again, and then I get to sports

873
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.960
<v Speaker 27>them in my house to get may one bullet.

874
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Nothing like having a chuckle with police about hiding from

875
00:52:56.159 --> 00:53:01.280
<v Speaker 1>helicopters after you've murdered your parents. What a cut. Mia

876
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:04.519
<v Speaker 1>said the surgery was her last hope and that was

877
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>taken from her. She said she was trying to get

878
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:11.840
<v Speaker 1>one more bullet to use on herself, but in the standoff,

879
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.360
<v Speaker 1>she already had options. She was the one holding the gun,

880
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>she had armed officers around her. She had already talked

881
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.000
<v Speaker 1>about the death penalty and specified wanting a firing squad,

882
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 1>but according to the police summary about the negotiation, Mia

883
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 1>also said she could have killed herself and didn't because

884
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 1>then they would have won. Instead, she wanted to take

885
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone down with her, and when detectives asked if there

886
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 1>was anything else they should know, Mea didn't talk about

887
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:50.239
<v Speaker 1>mom or dad. She talked about how much better she

888
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.400
<v Speaker 1>could have done it. Remorse shows up in the interview,

889
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 1>but it never seems to land on her parents. She

890
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 1>shows more concern for strangers who passed by, for damage

891
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.519
<v Speaker 1>that she may have caused a shrubbery, for the mechanics

892
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 1>of the chase, anything other than her own family.

893
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:14.760
<v Speaker 10>In her interview, when she started to talk about how

894
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.960
<v Speaker 10>she was able to evade the police for so long,

895
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:23.239
<v Speaker 10>so she was not remorseful. She was bragging about how

896
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:28.760
<v Speaker 10>well her plan worked, and that was very telling and

897
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:33.159
<v Speaker 10>something we definitely considered when we discussed whether or not

898
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:34.800
<v Speaker 10>we should seek the death penalty.

899
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Before prosecutors could decide whether to seek death, there were

900
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.440
<v Speaker 1>other voices they had to hear. Gail and Joseph Bailey

901
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 1>were gone, one son barely escaped, and the rest of

902
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the Bailey sons still had to decide what they wanted

903
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the state to do with their youngest brother, Colin, the

904
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:01.119
<v Speaker 1>one who had murdered their parents because he wanted to

905
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 1>be a woman. Twenty eight year old Colin Bailey, the

906
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:37.400
<v Speaker 1>youngest of four boys, believed he was special, not special

907
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 1>like artistically gifted or mathematically brilliant, special like I was

908
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.159
<v Speaker 1>born with a dick and I think I should have

909
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:48.920
<v Speaker 1>a vagina, and that's my whole personality. Colin legally changed

910
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:51.840
<v Speaker 1>his name to Mia to match what he thought his

911
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:57.199
<v Speaker 1>gender should be. Mia was newly homeless, living in storage units,

912
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 1>relatives houses, and hotel rooms in Washington County, Utah. On

913
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:05.159
<v Speaker 1>June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, she intruded into her parents'

914
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.119
<v Speaker 1>home in Washington City, despite a restraining order against her.

915
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.639
<v Speaker 1>She gave no opportunity for discussion. She pulled out her

916
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:18.039
<v Speaker 1>nine milimeter and opened fire. When she heard noises in

917
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the basement. She shot at her brother and sister in

918
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.239
<v Speaker 1>law through a locked door. She then went back upstairs

919
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:31.159
<v Speaker 1>to finish off her dying mother. Her father was already dead, so.

920
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:32.760
<v Speaker 29>When you walked through, she setting in the chair and

921
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.719
<v Speaker 29>fired the first round at her.

922
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.679
<v Speaker 18>I shout from the chair, Yeah, so you shot her

923
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 18>and then what then as.

924
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.519
<v Speaker 29>Far as that, how did you how did you approach

925
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:43.599
<v Speaker 29>your mom from that point?

926
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 19>I just shot her and there something down and he

927
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:47.880
<v Speaker 19>came out and I shot her.

928
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.280
<v Speaker 18>So you were basically just moving along and shooting at

929
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 18>your mom until she went down and then your dad

930
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 18>comes out.

931
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

932
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.159
<v Speaker 27>Then I go down, sorry, shoot went around, yeah, because

933
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:01.639
<v Speaker 27>I was kind of brother anne, carry and go back upstairs.

934
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:04.039
<v Speaker 19>Then do one more around and dad, just in case.

935
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 18>Mom gets shot a bunch? How much I do.

936
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 27>Remember actually coming out just in case because you heard

937
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:17.119
<v Speaker 27>her like bringing quite a bit, like choking, I went.

938
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:19.679
<v Speaker 19>To shoot her again.

939
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.280
<v Speaker 18>Do you remember standing up close to her? Do you remember?

940
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:26.440
<v Speaker 29>Was about sixteen away, so I never any closer than

941
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.239
<v Speaker 29>six feet about them, Okay?

942
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.440
<v Speaker 18>And then dad comes around, what's up? What's going on?

943
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:32.480
<v Speaker 19>Yep?

944
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:34.760
<v Speaker 29>And that rare his head and it was instant. It

945
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.280
<v Speaker 29>just fell backwards. So you shot him and then so

946
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:39.239
<v Speaker 29>just went around with that.

947
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, And then I and then you went downstairs, shot

948
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:43.719
<v Speaker 19>one around down there.

949
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.039
<v Speaker 18>Do you remember where you shot that road downstairs?

950
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:50.360
<v Speaker 29>And then laptop door the middle of the door, yeah,

951
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.199
<v Speaker 29>a little bit middle, but a little towards the left.

952
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 18>It was locked did you hear did you hear him inside?

953
00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

954
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:03.079
<v Speaker 19>He barched the door and stuff, and fucking i'st the target?

955
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:05.599
<v Speaker 3>So what was what was the route for her?

956
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:07.119
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

957
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:08.199
<v Speaker 18>Did you message?

958
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:09.840
<v Speaker 3>Just a message for herself?

959
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:12.840
<v Speaker 18>What would you What would it be like if you

960
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:13.360
<v Speaker 18>would have hit it?

961
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:15.920
<v Speaker 19>Oh, it's an asshole.

962
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:19.159
<v Speaker 1>That's just a little glimpse though, what the world would

963
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 1>be like if we all just decided to shoot everyone

964
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.400
<v Speaker 1>who we thought was an asshole. A lot of people

965
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 1>would be dead. That's why we have morals, That's why

966
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 1>we have self restraint and laws. Mia was arrested the

967
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.800
<v Speaker 1>next morning after an hour's long manhunt and take into

968
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:38.119
<v Speaker 1>an interview room, where she told detectives that the sex

969
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.559
<v Speaker 1>change surgery had been her last hope and losing it

970
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:45.880
<v Speaker 1>was the final straw. But Utah is one of twenty

971
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:49.880
<v Speaker 1>seven states that employs the death penalty, and the prosecutors

972
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:54.079
<v Speaker 1>still had to decide whether Mia Bailey should live or die.

973
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 1>During the interview with detectives, Mia was calm and oriented.

974
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.280
<v Speaker 1>She never shed a tear and never showed remorse for

975
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.159
<v Speaker 1>ending the lives of her parents. Her brother Corey was

976
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:07.920
<v Speaker 1>there and lived to tell about it.

977
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:11.599
<v Speaker 33>Of Coreat I know this is fucking hardest thing you've

978
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 33>ever done, right, I need you to tell me what

979
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:14.320
<v Speaker 33>happened today.

980
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:16.719
<v Speaker 6>So me and my wife were downstairs.

981
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:23.440
<v Speaker 34>Watch sure, Okay, my mom was upstairs arguing with my

982
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:28.239
<v Speaker 34>grandma about some family drama or whatever. But apparently it

983
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:33.519
<v Speaker 34>pissed off my brother. He's a schizophrenic. He's been going

984
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:37.320
<v Speaker 34>through a lot of issues like we and trans transitioning,

985
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 34>but he's he's been having a lot more issues likely,

986
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.719
<v Speaker 34>but you know what they were talking about, just gits

987
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:51.360
<v Speaker 34>and pieces, arguing about money and getting help taking.

988
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:57.519
<v Speaker 8>Care of the basic Okay, Okay. Apparently he was supposed

989
00:59:57.519 --> 00:59:58.880
<v Speaker 8>to do some surgery or something.

990
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Speaker 6>I haven't I haven't been keeping up on what's going

991
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:04.440
<v Speaker 6>on with him too much. Yeah, it got canceled and

992
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:05.239
<v Speaker 6>he thinks it was.

993
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 8>Therefore us and this is the first time he's been

994
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:10.360
<v Speaker 8>to the house.

995
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:14.840
<v Speaker 6>In a minute or Yeah, we have a protective order against.

996
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 8>Him, okay, And me and my wife Okay, is that

997
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:24.280
<v Speaker 8>and through that house? Yes? Because the house, me, my

998
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:28.119
<v Speaker 8>wife and my kids. Okay. All And as I heard.

999
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:33.639
<v Speaker 4>Shooting upstairs and then my my mother yelling and screaming,

1000
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:36.840
<v Speaker 4>and then I locked the door to our room and

1001
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.039
<v Speaker 4>I started opening the window, and I tried fount her

1002
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 4>out and got myself out. By the time we were

1003
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.199
<v Speaker 4>climbing out the window, he was pounding on my door

1004
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.159
<v Speaker 4>trying to open it, and then I heard gunshots at

1005
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:48.519
<v Speaker 4>my door.

1006
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Take a minute to just ask yourself, honestly, would your

1007
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.280
<v Speaker 1>brain work that fast? Because some people run towards action,

1008
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.599
<v Speaker 1>some people panic, and then some people panic so hard

1009
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:05.519
<v Speaker 1>that they can't make a decision at all. Corey had

1010
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 1>seconds to figure out what was happening, move and make

1011
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:13.320
<v Speaker 1>the right choice before Mia reached the door. At this point,

1012
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Mia isn't in custody yet, and the shooting has just

1013
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:21.440
<v Speaker 1>occurred less than thirty minutes before. The Bailey family still

1014
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:25.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even have the worst dancer yet. Corey knows what

1015
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:29.719
<v Speaker 1>he heard. He knows his parents were upstairs. He knows

1016
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:33.280
<v Speaker 1>he and Amanda barely got out, but he doesn't know

1017
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 1>if his parents are still alive, and neither do his brothers.

1018
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:41.639
<v Speaker 8>This is my brother, he doesn't just does he does?

1019
01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:41.920
<v Speaker 28>He know?

1020
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:42.360
<v Speaker 4>Where?

1021
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:53.039
<v Speaker 8>Does your brother went out of seat? Then wouldn't have

1022
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:56.880
<v Speaker 8>a suit right held on.

1023
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:01.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry to be going to tell you I.

1024
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:03.880
<v Speaker 8>Don't think they're They're deceased. Both.

1025
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.679
<v Speaker 33>Okay, this is my brother and that's the reason I

1026
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.920
<v Speaker 33>put him on I'm gonna let you deal with that. Okay,

1027
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:13.760
<v Speaker 33>do you need something right now? I mean, we have

1028
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:15.320
<v Speaker 33>a victim's advocate, we can.

1029
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:15.800
<v Speaker 8>Call out for you.

1030
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:18.239
<v Speaker 22>I don't even know where to begin with this.

1031
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.079
<v Speaker 2>No, I know, until he's sound, I.

1032
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:20.840
<v Speaker 7>Don't know where to go.

1033
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:21.880
<v Speaker 6>That will be saved.

1034
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:28.280
<v Speaker 2>At this point, like twenty minutes ago.

1035
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:33.079
<v Speaker 1>For Corey, the shock is still immediate, the fear has

1036
01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:37.079
<v Speaker 1>barely worn off, and the adrenaline is still in his body.

1037
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:41.239
<v Speaker 1>The grief is only beginning to catch up. But the

1038
01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:45.079
<v Speaker 1>legal process moves a hell of a lot slower. Mia

1039
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:49.199
<v Speaker 1>confessed that night. In fact, she detailed exactly what she

1040
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:55.119
<v Speaker 1>did and why, but she didn't immediately plead. For more

1041
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:58.880
<v Speaker 1>than a year, prosecutors weighed what kind of case this was,

1042
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:05.559
<v Speaker 1>whether Mia was guilty. Was this straightforward or we're mitigating

1043
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:09.199
<v Speaker 1>factors strong enough to take the death penalty off the table.

1044
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:15.199
<v Speaker 10>In Utah, we as prosecutors have a small time frame

1045
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:18.840
<v Speaker 10>to decide whether or not to seek the death penalty.

1046
01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:22.079
<v Speaker 10>We have to declare it at the outset. Some of

1047
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.480
<v Speaker 10>the factors that we have to consider our past cases

1048
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:29.679
<v Speaker 10>where we sought the death penalty, and the facts of

1049
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.519
<v Speaker 10>the cases need to be similar. So we looked at

1050
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:37.159
<v Speaker 10>the two recent two most recent cases, which again we

1051
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:41.039
<v Speaker 10>don't have very many murders, so we don't have a

1052
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.719
<v Speaker 10>lot to compare it to. But the cases that we

1053
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:46.880
<v Speaker 10>did seek the death penalty on they involved like a

1054
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 10>torture aspect. We felt this case was different in that

1055
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:55.920
<v Speaker 10>these were quick, clean shots, especially with Joseph who was

1056
01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:00.960
<v Speaker 10>shot in the head, that there wasn't that torqueous aspect

1057
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.880
<v Speaker 10>On the flip side. We did consider this to be premeditated.

1058
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:10.960
<v Speaker 10>It was planned out, she had been practicing, and that's

1059
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 10>an aggravating factor that would incline us to seek the

1060
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:17.800
<v Speaker 10>death penalty. A lot of our discussion focused on mental

1061
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:22.039
<v Speaker 10>health issues, and ultimately we decided not to seek the

1062
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 10>death penalty because of one the mental health issues and

1063
01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:30.239
<v Speaker 10>to the fact that in her interview she said she

1064
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.719
<v Speaker 10>wanted the death penalty, and we felt like giving her

1065
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:37.920
<v Speaker 10>that what she wanted was the wrong thing to do.

1066
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:43.199
<v Speaker 10>We shouldn't. We didn't want to reward her decision to

1067
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.320
<v Speaker 10>murder her parents. In fact, she made a motion later

1068
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.079
<v Speaker 10>on in court asking the judge to impose the death

1069
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.920
<v Speaker 10>penalty against the advice of her defense attorney. But that's

1070
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.400
<v Speaker 10>not her decision to make us a prosecuting decision and

1071
01:04:58.519 --> 01:04:59.440
<v Speaker 10>a judge's decision.

1072
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.920
<v Speaker 1>It was still all about Mia. She wanted to skip

1073
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.679
<v Speaker 1>the part of due process that says the judge and

1074
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 1>jury of your peers got to decide your fate. Mia

1075
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:14.079
<v Speaker 1>already got to decide who lived and died because she

1076
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't get her way, and now she wanted the easy

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01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:22.239
<v Speaker 1>way out, and she wanted it now. But that's just

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01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:25.920
<v Speaker 1>not how it works. And this is the part Mia

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01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:30.239
<v Speaker 1>never seemed to be able to understand. A diagnosis might

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01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 1>explain suffering and instability, but it doesn't turn murder into

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01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:39.719
<v Speaker 1>self defense. Mia had grievances and a whole list of

1082
01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.079
<v Speaker 1>people she thought had failed her, and MIA's version of

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01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:47.599
<v Speaker 1>the story, she was still the victim. Not her mom,

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01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:52.199
<v Speaker 1>not her dad, not her brothers, or her nephews or nieces,

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01:05:53.320 --> 01:06:00.239
<v Speaker 1>just Mia. That's the ugly logic of narcissistic violence. The

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01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 1>pain always points inwards, the blame outwards, and the people

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01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:13.119
<v Speaker 1>who get hurt are treated just like obstacles, not human beings.

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01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Mia Bailey was not just someone with genderdice for it.

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01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.440
<v Speaker 1>She was a person who made narcissistic and violent choices

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01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:25.039
<v Speaker 1>that ended lives, and none of her explanations changed what

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01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:29.400
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors were looking at. Two dead parents, a brother and

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01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:34.039
<v Speaker 1>a sister in law who barely escaped target practice, a gun,

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01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:37.719
<v Speaker 1>a confession, and a defendant who talked about death like

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01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:40.400
<v Speaker 1>it was one more thing she could control.

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<v Speaker 10>Not going for the death penalty was of course controversial,

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01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.119
<v Speaker 10>but I do believe based on the factors that we

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01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:50.880
<v Speaker 10>have to abide by, it was the right decision and

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01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:55.119
<v Speaker 10>the mental health issues. One of the challenges as a

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01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:59.800
<v Speaker 10>prosecutor is working with victims and working with victims families,

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01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:04.719
<v Speaker 10>especially in a situation where one family member has victimized

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01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:08.880
<v Speaker 10>the rest of their family. So the defendant is a

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01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:11.920
<v Speaker 10>family member of the victim, which is what we have here.

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01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:20.039
<v Speaker 10>And Mia had three brothers and all of them wanted

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01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:23.599
<v Speaker 10>different things out of this. So some were seeking more

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01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:27.480
<v Speaker 10>of like punitive measures, and others were seeking more of

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01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:32.719
<v Speaker 10>mercy and saying that their parents wouldn't want Mia to

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01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:40.239
<v Speaker 10>be punished so harshly for these crimes. So as a prosecutor,

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01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:42.599
<v Speaker 10>we have to take into account the victims and what

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01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:45.639
<v Speaker 10>they want, but we also have a responsibility to the

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01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 10>community and we have to take in to account the

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01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:53.400
<v Speaker 10>community as well. So trying to find where to land

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01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:57.239
<v Speaker 10>on the justice versus mercy scale was difficult for our team.

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<v Speaker 10>Aggravated murder carries a minimum of twenty five years per count,

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01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:06.400
<v Speaker 10>so we had two aggravated murders, one for Joseph one

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01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:10.920
<v Speaker 10>for Gail, each with a sentence of twenty five to life.

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01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.800
<v Speaker 10>One of the decisions that we had to make was

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01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.520
<v Speaker 10>whether to pursue those sentences concurrently so that they would

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01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:20.319
<v Speaker 10>run at the same time and Mia could potentially be

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01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:25.680
<v Speaker 10>out of prison in twenty five years, or to ask

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01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:29.760
<v Speaker 10>them to be ran consecutively so that means stacked on

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01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.640
<v Speaker 10>top of each other. So Mia would sarve twenty five

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01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:35.760
<v Speaker 10>years for the murder of Joseph and then twenty five

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01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:38.880
<v Speaker 10>years minimum for the murder of Gail, potentially longer up

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01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:41.600
<v Speaker 10>to life, meaning that that would be a minimum of

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01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:47.840
<v Speaker 10>fifty years. We chose, and it wasn't necessarily an easy decision,

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01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:50.640
<v Speaker 10>but because we did want to be respectful of the

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01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:55.520
<v Speaker 10>family and of the mental health circumstances, but we chose

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<v Speaker 10>to pursue consecutive sentences I do think at the end

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01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:04.960
<v Speaker 10>of the day, we did get the family to see

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01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:07.520
<v Speaker 10>where we were coming from and agree with consecutive sentencing,

1131
01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:09.800
<v Speaker 10>But it was a challenge to get there. And the

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01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.840
<v Speaker 10>reason we went to consecutive is because we as an

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01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:17.279
<v Speaker 10>office viewed that as two separate lives, two separate people

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01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:22.359
<v Speaker 10>that needed justice, and so we wanted each victim to

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01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:23.520
<v Speaker 10>be represented.

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01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Mia confessed in the interview room, but it wasn't until

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01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:32.560
<v Speaker 1>a year later, after she passed a competency evaluation that

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01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:37.560
<v Speaker 1>prosecutors offered a plea. On November sixth, Mia Bailey changed

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01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:41.000
<v Speaker 1>her plea from not guilty to guilty but mentally ill,

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01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and on December nineteenth, she returned to court for sentencing.

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<v Speaker 26>It's Bailey in case two four to one five zero

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01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.560
<v Speaker 26>one one ninety three to the charge of aggravated a

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01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.279
<v Speaker 26>first degree family You were hereby sentenced to serve twenty

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01:09:55.399 --> 01:10:02.279
<v Speaker 26>five years to live. Count two aggravated murder, first degree felony,

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01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:05.119
<v Speaker 26>or hereby sentenced to serve twenty five years to life.

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01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:10.039
<v Speaker 26>Count three aggravated assault, a third degree felmy. You are

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01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:14.079
<v Speaker 26>hereby sentence to serve zero to five years always at

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01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:15.319
<v Speaker 26>the Utah State Prison.

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<v Speaker 12>To run consecutive one with the other.

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01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.840
<v Speaker 1>In that sensing, the focus finally moved away from Mia

1151
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and her selfishness, her surgery, and her blame, back to

1152
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the people she left behind, her brothers yo honor.

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01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:37.520
<v Speaker 17>We sit before this court as the children, grandchildren, sister, brother, mother,

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01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:41.960
<v Speaker 17>extended family and friends, the majority of the remaining family

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01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.960
<v Speaker 17>that hasn't spoken today of Joseph Blue Bailey and Gale Bailey,

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01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:50.239
<v Speaker 17>two real people whose lives were defined not by how

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01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:54.079
<v Speaker 17>they died, but how they lived. We also stand here

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01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:57.760
<v Speaker 17>as a family to Mia that dual reality is not

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01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.520
<v Speaker 17>something we choose, but is something that we must care honestly.

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01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:06.159
<v Speaker 17>Our father, Joseph Blue Bailey, spent most of his working life.

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01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.920
<v Speaker 12>As a maritime engineer on tugboats.

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01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:11.199
<v Speaker 17>He was gone from months at a time doing physically

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01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.159
<v Speaker 17>demanding and often dangerous work so his family would be

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01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:20.920
<v Speaker 17>stable and secure. He believed in responsibility, not excuses. Our mother,

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01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:25.840
<v Speaker 17>Gil was a homemaker, but advocacy was her life's work.

1166
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:35.119
<v Speaker 17>She spent years navigating schools, doctors and systems that resisted accommodation, particularly.

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01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:35.960
<v Speaker 12>When it came to mental illness.

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01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:40.079
<v Speaker 17>She did that work without a title, without pay, and

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01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:43.439
<v Speaker 17>without recognition because her children.

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01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:44.680
<v Speaker 12>Mattered more than anything else.

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01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:49.119
<v Speaker 17>Long before most people understood what autism or schizophrenia meant,

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01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:50.960
<v Speaker 17>she was fighting school.

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01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:53.199
<v Speaker 12>Systems, attending IEP meetings.

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01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:56.439
<v Speaker 17>Researching, calling, pushing, and insisting that her child not be

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01:11:56.560 --> 01:12:01.279
<v Speaker 17>written off because she was difficult or complicated. The consequences

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01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:05.239
<v Speaker 17>we are asking for are not rooted in hatred or revenge.

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01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.960
<v Speaker 17>They are rooted in responsibility, safety, and the reality that

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01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:14.720
<v Speaker 17>you required structure and treatment to survive. What happened cannot

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01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:18.319
<v Speaker 17>be undone. But pretending you are someone you are never capable.

1180
01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.680
<v Speaker 12>Of being does not serve justice and it does not

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01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:21.680
<v Speaker 12>honor our parents.

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01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I cannot imagine what this family has gone through, And

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01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:43.119
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, I can't imagine what someone who legitimately

1184
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:45.119
<v Speaker 1>thinks they were born in the wrong body feels like.

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01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Either must be awful, always needing external validation to feel normal.

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01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:55.560
<v Speaker 1>It's got to be hell. And unfortunately I have to

1187
01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:58.760
<v Speaker 1>say this because there's a lot of really ignorant people

1188
01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:02.279
<v Speaker 1>out there. But just because you consider yourself trans doesn't

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01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:06.840
<v Speaker 1>mean you're a homicidal maniac. I've interacted with plenty of

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01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:11.199
<v Speaker 1>trans people, some even in this industry, that are perfectly normal, nice,

1191
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and a pleasure to be around. Shout out Annie Ryan

1192
01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:19.159
<v Speaker 1>from who are these podcasts? But let's stop pretending like

1193
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:22.840
<v Speaker 1>wanting to cut your dick off doesn't mean you're not

1194
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:26.960
<v Speaker 1>fucked up. Guess what, We're all fucked up. We all

1195
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.640
<v Speaker 1>have issues, we all have trauma. We're all doing the

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01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:33.800
<v Speaker 1>best we can. You're free to make whatever decisions you

1197
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:36.960
<v Speaker 1>want to make yourself okay enough to carry on, and

1198
01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:39.760
<v Speaker 1>unless you're a complete bag of shit, you'll address people

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01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:42.239
<v Speaker 1>by how they want to be addressed, with the same

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01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:44.920
<v Speaker 1>politeness you would use if you had mispronounced their name.

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01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem with any of that. I

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01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:49.720
<v Speaker 1>don't think anyone I know has a problem with that.

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01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:54.079
<v Speaker 1>The problem comes when you start amplifying you're so called solution,

1204
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:58.600
<v Speaker 1>start normalizing it, get every immediate talking head to perpetuate

1205
01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:03.119
<v Speaker 1>your dick removal miracle. In movies, TV, social media, you

1206
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:06.920
<v Speaker 1>get dumb celebrities to chant your mantras and create a

1207
01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:12.640
<v Speaker 1>social contagion that envelops the most vulnerable, those with severe

1208
01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:18.520
<v Speaker 1>psychological issues and literal confused children who already feel out

1209
01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:22.439
<v Speaker 1>of place, not due to sex, but to that magical

1210
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:27.000
<v Speaker 1>awkward age where we all feel like social rejects and

1211
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:31.319
<v Speaker 1>are doing just about anything to feel special, to feel normal.

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01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Then you start attacking anyone who gets in your way.

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01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:40.439
<v Speaker 1>That's where the problem is. When you stop asking if

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01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:43.439
<v Speaker 1>they'll address you by your pronouns and you start demanding

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01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:48.199
<v Speaker 1>that they do. You start demanding that the collective pool

1216
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.720
<v Speaker 1>of government money funded by all of our tax dollars,

1217
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:56.039
<v Speaker 1>pays for it for you to have your little cure.

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01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.720
<v Speaker 1>And then you demonize, threaten, and cancel anyone that says

1219
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:06.039
<v Speaker 1>other one. That is where the problem is. Mia Bailey

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01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:09.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted the world to validate her identity, her pain, and

1221
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:15.760
<v Speaker 1>her version of reality. But the law doesn't exist to

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01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:22.720
<v Speaker 1>affirm delusion, excuse narcissism, or turn grievance into permission to kill.

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01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:27.000
<v Speaker 1>No name change, no diagnosis, no surgery, and no amount

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01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:32.800
<v Speaker 1>of suffering could change what this was. Two parents executed

1225
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:36.720
<v Speaker 1>in cold blood, a brother nearly killed, and a family

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01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:40.079
<v Speaker 1>torn apart and forced to carry the cost of MIA's

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01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:47.119
<v Speaker 1>self obsession. Mia Bailey doesn't deserve my or anyone else's politeness,

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01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:51.760
<v Speaker 1>so I will not address it by its pronouns. And

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01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:53.800
<v Speaker 1>if you're listening and you have a problem with that,

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01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:55.640
<v Speaker 1>you well you can suck my deck, because I still

1231
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:59.319
<v Speaker 1>have one. It is not a woman, it is not

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01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:04.760
<v Speaker 1>a man. It is a monster and it will be

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01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:10.199
<v Speaker 1>about eighty eight years old when it finally gets out

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01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:10.760
<v Speaker 1>of prison.

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<v Speaker 24>Well, I can't wait to see what my redneck buddies

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01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:47.319
<v Speaker 24>think of this one. Us will being all ignorant and

1237
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:51.239
<v Speaker 24>seius and whatnot here in Texas. I'm really looking forward

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01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:53.039
<v Speaker 24>to the comments over at sermon scale dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>So head on over there and leave one. Would you mind?

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01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Would you stay safe?

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<v Speaker 35>Guys fall the plus, the fast for the plus for

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01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:29.359
<v Speaker 35>the plus sting when the plus, when the plus have

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01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:34.760
<v Speaker 35>on the plus has one three set past, when the

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<v Speaker 35>twenty game

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<v Speaker 5>Sh
