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Speaker 3: On to know.
Speaker 2: As I heard.
Speaker 4: Shooting upstairs and then my my mother yelling and screaming.
Speaker 1: I want to say. I have to thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Some of you are so nice, you really are. I
Speaker 1: had mentioned something briefly about an illness that I suffered
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, and so many of
Speaker 1: you reached out and said, you know, you were praying
Speaker 1: for me, that you hope that got better, that you
Speaker 1: were curious about what it was. I don't want to
Speaker 1: put certain parts of my life out there in the public,
Speaker 1: just it's just not a good idea. But I do
Speaker 1: want to thank all of you for the kind words.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I was really thinking about maybe this being the last
Speaker 1: season of Sword and Scale ever, because kind of in
Speaker 1: a transitional period and a lot of the audiences dropped off,
Speaker 1: probably due to some of the politics of some of
Speaker 1: the themes we cover here. But I took a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks to just clear my mind, and I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna do that. I don't think I can
Speaker 1: do that. The show is now firmly part of me,
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna keep making it better. Police move
Speaker 1: through a developing Utah complex and full tactical gear. The
Speaker 1: rifles up in place, shields folk boots scraping over dirt
Speaker 1: and construction dust. Their eyes dart back and forth past
Speaker 1: fresh block walls, unfinished houses, open lots, and weeds tall
Speaker 1: enough to perhaps hide someone someone named Mia Bailey. They've
Speaker 1: been looking for her since the previous evening, through a
Speaker 1: dry creek bed near river road, under bridges, and around
Speaker 1: a golf course. They're searching with drones, a helicopter, and
Speaker 1: a canine dog. Tracking through the dark. Swat teams are poised.
Speaker 1: Officers have gone house to house, asking neighbors what they saw,
Speaker 1: whether they know Mia, and whether they have any idea
Speaker 1: where she might have gone. By morning, the search has
Speaker 1: shifted into this new subdivision, where officers have to clear backyards,
Speaker 1: check unsecured houses, and try to keep residents out of
Speaker 1: the line of fire. From above, the scene is all
Speaker 1: angles and movement. Patrol cars blocking new streets, Officers posted
Speaker 1: at corners. Other deputies move alongside yards and unfinished walls,
Speaker 1: all of them watching the same rough field behind the homes.
Speaker 1: Mia is armed and she's desperate. Police believe she has
Speaker 1: already killed two people.
Speaker 6: This is a John jrge Police defendment. Come out of
Speaker 6: bed jar.
Speaker 7: Maria.
Speaker 8: This is a kind of George story. Ste found that
Speaker 8: if you come out of it as up.
Speaker 9: I comply if you will now be injured again, come
Speaker 9: out of the as you are regularly.
Speaker 1: That this is a new neighborhood. In a way, it
Speaker 1: seems post apocalyptic or dystopian. The sun is glaring, bullhorns blaring,
Speaker 1: but the landscape is barren and dry.
Speaker 10: My name is Courtney Sanagra. I'm a deputy Washington County Attorney.
Speaker 10: I'm a prosecutor, and I'm also our office's public information officer,
Speaker 10: and I was involved in the Mia Bailey case from
Speaker 10: the night of the incident. Any of the experiences that
Speaker 10: I share are my own personal experiences, my own personal opinions,
Speaker 10: and not necessarily reflective of the Washington County Attorney's Office.
Speaker 10: This is a nice neighborhood in our county, more affluent.
Speaker 10: In fact, one of our top attorneys lived just across
Speaker 10: the street from the scene, and so she came out.
Speaker 10: She was gardening. She's like trimming her rose bushes and
Speaker 10: all these cop cars are there responding.
Speaker 1: Behind the houses, the land opens into a rough dirt
Speaker 1: field dotted with dry brush and tumbleweight. In places, the
Speaker 1: weeds are high enough to hide a person. Officers move
Speaker 1: car to car, waile the wall, trying to hold a
Speaker 1: perimeter around it. Some of the homes have residents, and
Speaker 1: some are still under construction. Every open door, every backyard,
Speaker 1: every unfinished garage is another place Mia could be hiding.
Speaker 1: No one wants to be that officer who accidentally walks
Speaker 1: past her. They clear what they can, They watch their angles,
Speaker 1: and they call out warnings. They talk over the radio
Speaker 1: about crossfire. The helicopter overhead is noisy, making it hard
Speaker 1: to hear each other. Then finally someone gets eyes on her.
Speaker 9: I tell her we have the helicopter and we can
Speaker 9: see her, and to comply, that's going to be us.
Speaker 9: She's thirty yards out, yeah.
Speaker 2: On the ground under a burn. Mia. We can see
Speaker 2: you on the ground, laying down.
Speaker 9: We need you to put your hands up, stand up,
Speaker 9: nothing in your hands, and apply with officer command.
Speaker 6: Walk towards the headlights.
Speaker 1: She's loaded the ground, hidden under a patch of dried weeds,
Speaker 1: about fifteen feet from a tall block wall in one hand.
Speaker 1: She has a handgun. Most of the time, she keeps
Speaker 1: it pressed to her temple. From an upstairs window, officers
Speaker 1: watch the scene below them. Mia in the dirt, the
Speaker 1: gun at her head, rifles pointed in her direction. Negotiators
Speaker 1: trying to reach her from the other side of the wall.
Speaker 11: Mia, missus Tyler with the Saint George Poene.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 9: Mark?
Speaker 2: You that's on in the field loose enough, Maybe you
Speaker 2: think you can try to and hear some conversations.
Speaker 11: I can't hear.
Speaker 2: I'll turn you, rid you off.
Speaker 3: Nea.
Speaker 11: This is Tyler with the same George pd Can you
Speaker 11: hear me? Okay, Mia, I'm here to talk to you.
Speaker 11: I'm here to help you through this. I know that
Speaker 11: you're going through a rough time right now, and that's okay.
Speaker 11: I'm here to help you out. We want to definitely
Speaker 11: come to a peaceful resolve. We don't want you to
Speaker 11: get hurt. We don't want any of us to get hurt.
Speaker 1: Making contact isn't easy. Mia is hidden behind a wall.
Speaker 1: Officers are spread out around the field, and a drone
Speaker 1: overhead is drowning out her voice.
Speaker 11: Okay, Meat, we want to help you. We don't want
Speaker 11: you to do anything to yourself. We don't want you
Speaker 11: to do anything to us. So we want to come
Speaker 11: up with a plan on how we can help you. Okay, Miah,
Speaker 11: I heard that you said, okay, but I couldn't hear
Speaker 11: the rest. I need you to need you to put
Speaker 11: the weapon down and put your hands up in the
Speaker 11: air so we can know that we can talk safely.
Speaker 8: Okay. I can't do that. Okay, why can't you do that? Mia?
Speaker 1: The whole neighborhood is on lockdown, Tensions are high, and
Speaker 1: this is a volatile situation. Mia shouts something about her
Speaker 1: last hope and then makes it clear she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to talk to the police. She wants someone else. They
Speaker 1: always want someone else, I.
Speaker 12: Protor.
Speaker 11: She said that you you want to talk to the prosecutor. Okay, Mia,
Speaker 11: we can help you talk to a prosecutor. We can
Speaker 11: help you talk to an attorney. But obviously, in this
Speaker 11: situation where you're at right now, they're not going to
Speaker 11: come out to where we're at because it's it's not safe.
Speaker 1: Once the officer has positioned himself and can hear better,
Speaker 1: he realizes that Mia is shouting about a last chance
Speaker 1: and a nuclear option. It was clear they were dealing
Speaker 1: with someone who was desperate. The officers in that field
Speaker 1: weren't starting from zero. They were negotiating with a killer,
Speaker 1: trying to keep her alive and make sure no one
Speaker 1: else in the proximity or broader community would be hurt.
Speaker 1: But before police ever found Mia in that field, her
Speaker 1: phone had already called nine one one, not because she
Speaker 1: had called for help, but because she'd thrown it from
Speaker 1: her car and the phone thought it had crashed.
Speaker 13: Hello, can hear me?
Speaker 14: This is nine one one.
Speaker 7: The owner of his iPhone was in.
Speaker 2: A severe car passion.
Speaker 12: Is not responding to this home.
Speaker 1: Almost at the same time, another call came in from
Speaker 1: the neighborhood that Mia had just fled.
Speaker 15: Nine On the other the emergency, My neighbors just came
Speaker 15: running down the road lying call nine one line her
Speaker 15: gunshop and a yellow Chia's whole that just stropped away
Speaker 15: from their house.
Speaker 16: I don't know what so in the house, So in
Speaker 16: our house, run inside, grab a towel.
Speaker 17: So in the house, they.
Speaker 8: Just served us the shriek.
Speaker 14: I'm not even here where my neighbors went.
Speaker 2: They just came screaming, yelling, not I mean.
Speaker 7: If we're getting other calls about it as well, so
Speaker 7: I don't know what happened. He had to come in
Speaker 7: our front door.
Speaker 2: But as the wall of.
Speaker 1: The neighbor told dispatch what they heard from outside, gunshots, panic,
Speaker 1: and a yellow Kia Soul leaving the area. But there
Speaker 1: was another call coming directly from the survivors and they
Speaker 1: were able to tell dispatch exactly what they had lived through.
Speaker 14: One one, what is the address on? I need an
Speaker 14: officer to ten thirty nine East Drives.
Speaker 2: There's gunshots?
Speaker 14: Okay, is somebody shot?
Speaker 15: I think so you shot?
Speaker 18: Yes?
Speaker 14: Can you see the person?
Speaker 11: Okay?
Speaker 14: Did you hear gunshots?
Speaker 17: Yes?
Speaker 8: Thank you?
Speaker 14: Okay. It looks like we've gotten a couple other calls
Speaker 14: about this, and we're getting help on the way right now.
Speaker 14: Can you see anything that's going on?
Speaker 19: You know, we just went to the house.
Speaker 20: Okay, leads to Please, we've got help on the way
Speaker 20: right now.
Speaker 14: Okay, I want you to stay on the line with
Speaker 14: me and let me know what you hear and what
Speaker 14: you see. Okay, don't do anything that you feel like.
Speaker 14: What's you in danger? What something shot at your house?
Speaker 19: Yes?
Speaker 3: Shot upstairs?
Speaker 14: Do you think your parents were shot upstairs? Yes, okay,
Speaker 14: have you been upstairs to check?
Speaker 21: No?
Speaker 14: Did someone come into your house to shoot?
Speaker 9: Yes, we're downstairs and I started hearing gunshots and.
Speaker 19: Screaming up to this.
Speaker 14: Okay, were you able to hear anybody upstairs?
Speaker 16: Gunshots and screaming?
Speaker 14: Gunshots and screaming.
Speaker 1: Okay, But it wasn't over. After the gun was fired upstairs,
Speaker 1: the caller heard footsteps pounding on each step as the
Speaker 1: shooter headed towards the basement. Corey and his wife had
Speaker 1: no choice but to flee out the window even as
Speaker 1: shots were being fired through the door, and after making
Speaker 1: it to the neighbor's house, they had no idea what
Speaker 1: condition their parents were in. Were they alive or were
Speaker 1: they dead.
Speaker 14: We do have officers in a loose perimeter in the area.
Speaker 14: That's their biggest priority before sending medical units in to
Speaker 14: help your parents, okay, is just to make sure that
Speaker 14: the scene is safe. But as soon as they secured
Speaker 14: the scene, medical will go in to help your parents.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, that's definitely not what you want to be
Speaker 5: told after hearing multiple gunshots, screaming, and then silence from upstairs,
Speaker 5: when you know your parents were up there going about
Speaker 5: their evening routine.
Speaker 1: You don't want to hear anything but sirens, an emergency
Speaker 1: personnel not We have to clear the scene first, it
Speaker 1: might take a while. By the time Deputy Attorney Courtney
Speaker 1: Sanagra arrived, the house wasn't just the scene of an emergency.
Speaker 1: It was a bloody crime scene.
Speaker 10: Our office has what's called a death phone, and by
Speaker 10: law in Utah, anytime there's an unattended death in the jurisdiction,
Speaker 10: a county attorney needs to be notified. And so I
Speaker 10: was working late at our office. Actually it was like
Speaker 10: eight pm. I was a brand new prosecutor. I've been
Speaker 10: working about six or eight months. And two of our
Speaker 10: other attorneys were also there, and one of them had
Speaker 10: the on call phone and came down and said, Hey,
Speaker 10: there was a double homicide. Do you want to go
Speaker 10: on scene? So of course I was like yes. I mean,
Speaker 10: I was hesitanting. I was like, oh, can I handle this?
Speaker 10: This sounds gruesome, But I did want that experience for
Speaker 10: my job, and so the three of us went over
Speaker 10: to be on scene.
Speaker 1: The chaos had passed by the time Courtney arrived, Me
Speaker 1: and his brother Corey and his wife were safe at
Speaker 1: the neighbor's house. Officers were at the scene and were
Speaker 1: also tracking the killer, but in eerie calm, this now
Speaker 1: filled the Bailey home. The ordinary details were still sitting
Speaker 1: exactly where Gail and Joseph Bailey had left them.
Speaker 10: But something that stood out to me where it did
Speaker 10: feel just very eerie, as when you walked in. The
Speaker 10: first thing I noticed was we walked into the hallway
Speaker 10: and there was a living room and MSNBC was on
Speaker 10: on the TV, and there's two dead bodies in the
Speaker 10: living room area. Joseph was actually down the hallway, but
Speaker 10: Gail was in the living room, and I just thought, Wow,
Speaker 10: these people were just having a normal night. They're watching
Speaker 10: the news.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of image you can't shake from your brain,
Speaker 1: not just the stark faces of death, but the reminder
Speaker 1: that they were just alive just a minute ago. The
Speaker 1: television is still on, still filling the room with disembodied voices,
Speaker 1: but nobody's listening anymore. The furniture is still in place,
Speaker 1: seats cooling where a body had just sat. It was
Speaker 1: an ordinary evening, the kind we all picture because it's
Speaker 1: the kind we all live every day. You're just sitting
Speaker 1: at home, half watching the news, thinking there will be
Speaker 1: a tomorrow and suddenly there isn't.
Speaker 10: When I did see Joseph, he was laying face up
Speaker 10: and there was a little bit of blood coming from
Speaker 10: his head. What I remember most is his glasses were
Speaker 10: split in two. He had worn like spectacles, and it
Speaker 10: was clean shots to his forehead right where his glasses
Speaker 10: had been. But the mom was just off the sofa.
Speaker 10: I don't know if she was sitting down. I don't
Speaker 10: know if she had stood up, but she was found
Speaker 10: face front near the sofa, shot in the back of
Speaker 10: the head.
Speaker 1: But Mia didn't stop with just her parents. She was
Speaker 1: out for blood and there was more blood to shed
Speaker 1: in the basement where her brother's family was staying.
Speaker 10: Then we went downstairs and there were children's toys everywhere
Speaker 10: in this downstairs living room area, little kid's toys. And
Speaker 10: that gave me the chills, because what if these kids,
Speaker 10: who were MIA's nieces and nephews had been home.
Speaker 1: By the time investigators finished walking through the house. They
Speaker 1: know what Mia did, but they just can't imagine why
Speaker 1: a daughter would come home and turn on her own
Speaker 1: family like a wounded coyote. And this is a story
Speaker 1: that can only be told by Mia. By this point.
Speaker 1: It is the night of June eighteenth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: In Washington City, Utah. Investigators are on a manhunt for
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Miya Bailey. On the evening of
Speaker 1: June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, she stormed into the family
Speaker 1: home and executed both of her parents. When she heard
Speaker 1: her brother's voice in the basement, she went for him
Speaker 1: and his wife too. Thankfully, they escaped through a bedroom
Speaker 1: window before the bullets could reach them, and when investigators
Speaker 1: walked through the house afterwards, the horror wasn't only upstairs. Downstairs,
Speaker 1: where MIA's nieces and nephews might have been, children's toys
Speaker 1: were still scattered across the room, police could clearly make
Speaker 1: out what happened at the scene, and besides, casings were
Speaker 1: left behind. Mia, however, had vanished into the dark in
Speaker 1: a yellow Kiah, armed and desperate. The question would follow
Speaker 1: them through the night from the quiet, blood stained house
Speaker 1: in Washington City to the streets of nearby Saint George.
Speaker 1: The chase would come to a head in a half
Speaker 1: built neighborhood on the edge of town, where Mia would
Speaker 1: finally be found in a patch of Weeds with a
Speaker 1: gun to her head before the standoff ended. Before Mia
Speaker 1: was brought into the interview room, investigators were already working backwards.
Speaker 1: While officers in Saint George tried to keep her alive,
Speaker 1: Other investigators were calling the people who had seen her,
Speaker 1: heard from her, or knew what had been happening in
Speaker 1: the days and hours before the shooting. They were trying
Speaker 1: to build a picture of Mia before the field, before
Speaker 1: the gun, before the house, and one of the first
Speaker 1: pieces of that picture came from someone Mia had only
Speaker 1: recently started dating, and even in that short time, he
Speaker 1: had already seen signs that Mia was not okay.
Speaker 6: How did you meet Mia?
Speaker 8: No matter how?
Speaker 16: He's the place where I work, maybe like a week
Speaker 16: and a half ago out there, and she just seem nice.
Speaker 3: Asked her if she had facebooks. She said yes, and
Speaker 3: then it's kind of how I got to.
Speaker 19: Know each other.
Speaker 22: So you known her for a week and a half, Yeah,
Speaker 22: I can tell that she wanted to progress things fast.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, are you guys boyfriend and girlfriend or what? Were
Speaker 6: you just starting dating? Well just kind of starting okay,
Speaker 6: but nothing was official.
Speaker 18: Well, she put on her Facebook that he was her boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that surprised me when.
Speaker 18: I said to Corny, how did you feel about that?
Speaker 18: You know, because he hadn't even known.
Speaker 6: Her, so she made that decision on her own.
Speaker 22: Okay, Yeah, I just got out of her relationship before
Speaker 22: and it was hard broken over, so I wasn't looking
Speaker 22: to jump into.
Speaker 3: Anything right away.
Speaker 1: A week and a half isn't very long, but it
Speaker 1: was long enough for him to notice two things. Mia
Speaker 1: wanted the relationship to move faster than he did, and
Speaker 1: underneath that something was off.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 22: I just I just started to get to know her
Speaker 22: like a couple of weeks ago. Okay, I don't know
Speaker 22: her very well. Okay, I think I know that she
Speaker 22: was kind of depressed and I could tell that she
Speaker 22: told me she used to cut herself, and as far
Speaker 22: as where she is, I really don't know.
Speaker 1: He didn't view her depression or even her fast paced
Speaker 1: as a red flag, though they were starting out as
Speaker 1: friends and even had plans that evening.
Speaker 22: When was the last time we talked to her yesterday? Well,
Speaker 22: I left this morning.
Speaker 16: When I texted her, we were going to arrange like,
Speaker 16: you know, like a game date night, and that's she
Speaker 16: said she had to get her her stuff. I guess
Speaker 16: her family's home. And that's the fast I heard from her.
Speaker 23: She's like, I'd be sure to I said, be sure
Speaker 23: to tell me what other games she has, like Morgan's
Speaker 23: and she said she has to rabbit you know there,
Speaker 23: And then I said, bring her again would be funny.
Speaker 3: And that's the last uh I heard from her. Right there,
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 1: A version of Mia. He knew that morning there was
Speaker 1: someone making date night plans and talking about board games,
Speaker 1: someone who was normal.
Speaker 8: It was true.
Speaker 1: Mia was in the middle of moving out of one
Speaker 1: place into another and away from the people who had
Speaker 1: been letting her stay with them.
Speaker 22: She said, she's in the process of moving, but I
Speaker 22: don't are you aware of her renting like any U
Speaker 22: haul trucks or anything like that?
Speaker 6: Oka say where she was moving to?
Speaker 3: She said she was applied to a few different places.
Speaker 22: She says she tried Jewel Plaza and then she said
Speaker 22: it fell through and then I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know why they denied her, but that's all
Speaker 3: so I know.
Speaker 6: Okay, do you know of any other friends she has?
Speaker 6: If you ever hung out with any other friends with
Speaker 6: her or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I've seen her with her cousin and that's that's all
Speaker 3: I love you with.
Speaker 6: She seems you know her. Her cousin is yeah.
Speaker 3: Jay, Joe Jay.
Speaker 1: The cousin was Jay, and the house Mia had been
Speaker 1: staying and belonged to Jay's mother, MIA's aunt, Jenny. So
Speaker 1: investigators called Jenny next. She had seen Mia that afternoon,
Speaker 1: just hours before the first nine one one calls came in.
Speaker 20: Hello, Hello, hells Jenny, Hey Jenny, this is Detective John
Speaker 20: Doe with.
Speaker 2: Washington City Police Department.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, so you got a second I can talk with you.
Speaker 2: Put your belt on, Yeah, go ahead, I'm trying.
Speaker 20: I'm here at on scene trying to gather some more information, Okay, And.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to kind of talk with you
Speaker 2: real quick and.
Speaker 20: See when the last time you talked with MEA was
Speaker 20: in five forty seven.
Speaker 1: Five forty seven, that was almost exactly one hour before
Speaker 1: Mia shot her parents. Surely Aunt Jenny would have some clues.
Speaker 21: I called her because her mother had called my mom
Speaker 21: our mom, and they have not had a great relationship.
Speaker 21: And after mom talked with my sister, I called.
Speaker 8: Me because she had been at the house.
Speaker 2: Earlier to pick up our things out of the garage.
Speaker 21: Because the moment into a story area out of your
Speaker 21: house of this house up here from your house or
Speaker 21: this house here, No, from my house. She came to
Speaker 21: our house in Islands because she's been storing her things there,
Speaker 21: some of her things. So she had sent me earlier
Speaker 21: in the day and said I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to come by and get my things.
Speaker 21: And I said that's fine, but you're welcome to leave
Speaker 21: them here. And she said no, I want an air
Speaker 21: conditioned unit.
Speaker 19: And I said okay, because whatever.
Speaker 17: So she showed up and I don't know what time means.
Speaker 24: It was forty.
Speaker 21: About four o'clock and got her stuff.
Speaker 25: My husband was in the garage w her.
Speaker 20: She was fine, okay, so nothing. She wasn't acting super
Speaker 20: crazy or upset, anything that would make you concern that
Speaker 20: something like this was going to happen.
Speaker 9: No, Rick said, in the garage, she seemed perfectly normal.
Speaker 2: Thank him, calm. I mean, no idea where she got
Speaker 2: it done.
Speaker 1: When Jenny said Mia was fine, but fine can actually
Speaker 1: be a complicated word. Fine for the moment, fine for
Speaker 1: the hour. What exactly does fine mean? Are you fine?
Speaker 1: Am I fine? I don't know, because only weeks earlier,
Speaker 1: Mia definitely didn't seem fine.
Speaker 21: I know she's at times heard voices.
Speaker 11: That was kind of new to me.
Speaker 2: Three weeks ago. Whether that was happening in the last
Speaker 2: few days, I don't know. If he had to run in,
Speaker 2: I have no idea. So you said, Ni's been hearing voices.
Speaker 25: I don't know.
Speaker 2: A couple of.
Speaker 21: The hospital mats fixed around, and she came She's always
Speaker 21: been very docile around us.
Speaker 1: Aunt Jenny's call gave investigators the only version of Mia
Speaker 1: she knew, calm enough to move her things, familiar enough
Speaker 1: with the family to sound docile, but unstable enough that
Speaker 1: she had recently checked herself into a hospital due to
Speaker 1: hearing voices. Then another witness came forward. This was someone
Speaker 1: with no family history, no context, and no reason to
Speaker 1: read danger into what she saw. But danger isn't what
Speaker 1: grabbed her attention. Something else did.
Speaker 25: I My husband and I were at the old Saint
Speaker 25: George Temple.
Speaker 18: We just finished some.
Speaker 25: Ceilings and we were coming down to the first floor.
Speaker 25: And when you entered that temple, before you go, you
Speaker 25: know the front desk to the left, there's a a
Speaker 25: they call it a family room, like a waiting room
Speaker 25: in there. And so when we were coming out.
Speaker 3: That girl.
Speaker 25: Came out of the family waiting room and was starting
Speaker 25: to exit the temple, and I was behind her.
Speaker 26: And when I first saw her.
Speaker 25: I thought, oh my gosh, she had a this skirt
Speaker 25: on that was about like four into the bovonee and
Speaker 25: it was like shooting out like a ballerina skirt.
Speaker 27: You know.
Speaker 25: But she had called cowgirl boots on at the same time.
Speaker 25: It just got my attention, you know. Okay, But I thought,
Speaker 25: it's probably a family member that's waiting, you know, maybe
Speaker 25: somebody got married or something. And so as we exited
Speaker 25: the temple, this thought came to my mind. Show her
Speaker 25: the love of the Savior, right, And because it's somebody daughter,
Speaker 25: you want them to know, you know, they're different.
Speaker 5: So I said, hey, old lady.
Speaker 25: I love those cowgirl boats. I had a ranch for
Speaker 25: thirty years and I noticed any really cute cowgirl boats
Speaker 25: always right. And she turned around and she said, why,
Speaker 25: thank you. I said, but I have to admit I'm
Speaker 25: older now and I can't wear what we used to
Speaker 25: call And I said that the letters as kickers because
Speaker 25: it kills my toes.
Speaker 1: It was the kind of trivial conversation that people forget
Speaker 1: five minutes later, a compliment, a quick laugh, nothing that
Speaker 1: sounded like a warning, nothing that sounded like someone was
Speaker 1: about to snap, about to flip out and destroy the
Speaker 1: lives closest to them in a matter of hours, until
Speaker 1: she realized that what she was seeing wasn't really what
Speaker 1: she was So she raised.
Speaker 28: Her leg.
Speaker 25: To show me.
Speaker 18: You know, just had a little.
Speaker 25: Tiny square at the end of these white boots. And
Speaker 25: she says, well, you just have to learn to get
Speaker 25: in to fit a certain way. And when she did that,
Speaker 25: I have in my mind I said, this is guy.
Speaker 25: Oh right there, I knew with hairy legs and guy's legs.
Speaker 25: And you know, she was taller than me. I'm five
Speaker 25: foot eight, she was tall taller. And then I just
Speaker 25: realized your voice.
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't like.
Speaker 25: A low voice, but it was different.
Speaker 17: And anyway, I said, I said.
Speaker 25: Well, they are really cute boots. And so so we
Speaker 25: started walking and said, well you have enjoyed this beautiful
Speaker 25: day because it was cooler that day, I said, this
Speaker 25: beautiful day.
Speaker 1: They both went their separate ways, and this lady thought
Speaker 1: nothing of it until she turned on the news that
Speaker 1: night and saw a man hunt, or should I say
Speaker 1: a woman hunt. That sounds stupid.
Speaker 25: He told me that I should call and let you
Speaker 25: guys know what happened when I talked to that guy,
Speaker 25: which I thought was a girl. I'm it was Tuesday
Speaker 25: around three pm.
Speaker 5: Ok.
Speaker 25: My son also telling you should remain anonymous because you
Speaker 25: don't ever want that guy to have your name.
Speaker 19: Okay.
Speaker 1: Back in the field, negotiators keep me at talking. The
Speaker 1: conversation goes on for almost an hour. She asks for
Speaker 1: a prosecutor and talks about wanting the death penalty. She
Speaker 1: asks what kind of deal can be made, but eventually
Speaker 1: the lead detective gets her to agree to a surrender plan.
Speaker 1: Mia puts the gun down, keeps her hands visible, and
Speaker 1: walks towards the tactical team. Officers take her into custody
Speaker 1: and no one else is hurt. Mia finally gets the
Speaker 1: conversation she's been asking for. She has taken to an
Speaker 1: interview room with detectives and a prosecutor to explain.
Speaker 29: I'm not so much curious as far as what happened,
Speaker 29: but I'm kind of curious kind of what led up
Speaker 29: to it.
Speaker 27: Well, let's see, Oh my backlash and community. I can't
Speaker 27: go anywhere, you can't go and walks without people saying
Speaker 27: trap to to heartbreaker to a bunch of ask the
Speaker 27: other stuff.
Speaker 1: Mia born Colin Bailey was obviously leaving out the kindness
Speaker 1: of the woman from the Saint George Temple whim to
Speaker 1: her boots and treated me I like the woman she
Speaker 1: wanted to be.
Speaker 19: Let's see.
Speaker 27: Being homeless after I have found the abuse several times and.
Speaker 19: Okay, being twenty grand dad, what.
Speaker 18: Does that come from?
Speaker 27: Well, it comes from our loans because my brothers. This
Speaker 27: comes from credit cards.
Speaker 19: It's expensive to be a single.
Speaker 12: Woman and trans the.
Speaker 11: Top of that.
Speaker 18: Okay, so what kind of and like I said, I
Speaker 18: don't know all the ins and outs of, but what
Speaker 18: kind of expenses do you have doing that?
Speaker 19: Well, it's like five hundred and twelve dollars a month
Speaker 19: just doing the trail stuff.
Speaker 27: So that's like getting laser treatments and medications.
Speaker 1: It was getting expensive being the woman she wanted to be.
Speaker 1: That is laser treatments for hair removal, hormone replacement therapy.
Speaker 1: Who knows what else As for homelessness, MIA's cousin kicked
Speaker 1: her out because he was afraid she was crazy. She
Speaker 1: made an allegation saying a neighbor pointed a gun at her.
Speaker 1: Emotions apparently escalated, and Mia said her cousin just didn't
Speaker 1: understand that allegation, by the way, wasn't verified. We brought
Speaker 1: in doctor Stephen Levine, a psychiatrist in the Cleveland, Ohio area,
Speaker 1: to talk about gender dysphoria, mental illness, and surgery as
Speaker 1: a last hope. Doctor Levine is also a professor at
Speaker 1: Case Western University. He's known for his thesis that gender
Speaker 1: dysphoria is usually caused by psychological issues that should be
Speaker 1: treated as such rather than with gender affirming care. Doctor
Speaker 1: Levine was among the earliest in his field to recognize
Speaker 1: the need for research in this area. In nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 1: he co founded a gender identity clinic through Case Western
Speaker 1: Reserve University School of Medicine. Doctor Levine has obviously had
Speaker 1: a lot of pushback given his research in the field
Speaker 1: and his unwillingness to bend to the current politics surrounding
Speaker 1: this ever changing issue.
Speaker 30: These social cultural shift has to do with the human
Speaker 30: need to reinterpret how to live one's life, how to
Speaker 30: combine the male and female interests that all of us
Speaker 30: have into a way of being a man and woman.
Speaker 30: So we are redefining the ways of being a man
Speaker 30: and woman. But the Internet has led to a lot
Speaker 30: of young people who are having distress in their lives
Speaker 30: thinking that the problem, the cause of their distress is
Speaker 30: not the ordinary psychiatric causes of distress, of family dysfunction
Speaker 30: and personal difficulties, but it's due to the fact that
Speaker 30: they didn't understand that they were a trans person and
Speaker 30: some authority figure, some process on the Internet seems to
Speaker 30: have influenced young people dramatically into thinking that may be
Speaker 30: their trans and so adolescents are now experimenting a great
Speaker 30: deal with differences in orientation and differences in gender expression.
Speaker 1: When someone is already depressed, isolated, autistic, suicidal, or desperate,
Speaker 1: the Internet can sometimes hand them a simple answer, this
Speaker 1: is why you hurt. You are trans. But for Levine,
Speaker 1: this is not the same as a stable transgender person
Speaker 1: living an ordinary life. That person, he says, is not
Speaker 1: a psychiatric patient. The real concern is when the identity
Speaker 1: is tied to serious suffering, when the person isn't just
Speaker 1: saying this is who I am, but I can't survive
Speaker 1: unless my body changes. Mia was a perfect example of
Speaker 1: someone who not only had pre existing mental health conditions,
Speaker 1: but her desperation became dangerous and the detective wanted to
Speaker 1: know how she got to that point right.
Speaker 19: Let up to it was.
Speaker 27: So I got a call from my social worker from
Speaker 27: the hospital and.
Speaker 19: I comparably kind of broken him in a way.
Speaker 27: This year the details the hospital, but the worst one
Speaker 27: was all was my mother to contacting them to say.
Speaker 19: No one the surgery.
Speaker 18: And well, mother contacted the hospital.
Speaker 27: Yeah, and so I know I can probably appeal it
Speaker 27: with just if that, but she went the saund was
Speaker 27: very furious and I I don't want to hear explained,
Speaker 27: you know, excuses we're hearing, you know, my explanation, and
Speaker 27: I'm sorry and I'll do something about it any who
Speaker 27: I am. Uh, she don't say sorry to see her life.
Speaker 1: Apparently, whether Mia meant it this way or not, this
Speaker 1: was a literal statement. Her resentment was palpable. Her mother
Speaker 1: was dead by MIA's own hand. Because her mother wouldn't
Speaker 1: say sorry, Mia felt like she was holding on by
Speaker 1: a thread. During the standoff, she repeatedly shouted, this was
Speaker 1: my last hope, meaning the final surgery to remove her
Speaker 1: male genitalia, and she placed all the blame on her parents,
Speaker 1: especially her mother. So you might be thinking, oh, those
Speaker 1: mean parents, that unwoke mom who ruined her child's life.
Speaker 1: But according to everyone except Mia, the family was as
Speaker 1: supportive as they could be.
Speaker 10: The surgery was canceled, But our impression was that it
Speaker 10: was not canceled because her parents were simply not supportive
Speaker 10: of her transitioning, or her being transgender, or how she
Speaker 10: chose to identify, but because they were concerned more broadly
Speaker 10: about her mental health. From what I understood, her family
Speaker 10: was very supportive of her and her decision to transition,
Speaker 10: and she also struggled with other diagnoses. And I'm not
Speaker 10: a medical expert, so I don't want to get into those,
Speaker 10: but I believe that they were supportive of her in
Speaker 10: those as well. There was a prior protective order where
Speaker 10: I think the family just at one point just had
Speaker 10: to act to protect themselves because they felt that she
Speaker 10: was a danger and a threat to them. But I
Speaker 10: think that was a last or and I do think
Speaker 10: they try to support her as much as they could.
Speaker 1: Me I didn't just suffer from gender dysphoria. She had
Speaker 1: a host of other mental health disorders and diagnoses, ranging
Speaker 1: from ADHD to autism to potential schizophrenia. So her parents
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was wise to go ahead with
Speaker 1: such a serious and life altering surgery because the fact
Speaker 1: was this was not going to cure her mental illness,
Speaker 1: and it may just make it worse. Doctor Levine says
Speaker 1: this is often the danger when somebody is already carrying
Speaker 1: serious depression, anxiety, and stability or other psychiatric issues. Surgery
Speaker 1: might change the body without touching the deeper source of suffering.
Speaker 1: His evidence comes from a recent Finish study, if you
Speaker 1: want to look that up.
Speaker 7: So we have some evidence that even the purven to
Speaker 7: care for the vast majority of people thords in this case,
Speaker 7: do you not install their unhappiness? You see, the unhappiness
Speaker 7: is usually presented as suicidality, depression, anxiety, sometimes drug addiction,
Speaker 7: sometimes suicidal thoughts. So we realize that that among the
Speaker 7: majority of people who are seeking the train's solution to
Speaker 7: their unhappiness, the majority of those people may still be
Speaker 7: unhappy after they make all these changes to their body.
Speaker 7: And so people like me are saying to people before
Speaker 7: they have its kind of medical and interventions, let's pay
Speaker 7: attention to what is troubling you. What is the source
Speaker 7: of your depression, anxiety, you're eating disorders, or whatever, whatever
Speaker 7: the situation is, And let's pay attention to that. You're
Speaker 7: in charge of your gender, not me. I'm not trying
Speaker 7: to change your gender. But I'm trying to do is
Speaker 7: improve your mental health.
Speaker 13: And that doesn't have to do with gender, and that
Speaker 13: has to do with these overwhelmed symptoms of self harm, suicidality, repression, anxiety,
Speaker 13: beating disorders, and sometimes the drop demands.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 1: Every aspect of her mental suffering was blamed on being
Speaker 1: in the wrong body. But you know that old chicken
Speaker 1: and egg analogy which came first me. I thought that
Speaker 1: everyone was against her. Her parents didn't support her, and
Speaker 1: she was bullied by the community at large.
Speaker 10: I would say that Mia probably subjectively felt bullied and harassed,
Speaker 10: but I couldn't. I don't have all the facts. I
Speaker 10: don't know her life story from what I observed. I
Speaker 10: don't know that the objective harassment was to the degree
Speaker 10: that maybe she believed.
Speaker 1: Doctor Levine says, there's another layer to all of this,
Speaker 1: beyond diagnosis, beyond treatment. There is the social question, how
Speaker 1: do the people around someone respond when that person's identity
Speaker 1: changes we gave him an analogy. Is it like an
Speaker 1: agitated schizophrenic, for example, who might try to convince you
Speaker 1: that you're under immediate attack based on his own delusion.
Speaker 1: Do you go along with it just to be safe?
Speaker 1: And is it kindness to use the name and pronoun
Speaker 1: someone wants you to use or is it an obligation?
Speaker 1: And what happens when people feel pushed to accept something
Speaker 1: they don't believe is true.
Speaker 28: That's a political question, that's a silk manner question.
Speaker 7: If I think.
Speaker 28: I am some other gender, some atypical gender, and I
Speaker 28: prefer to be called they rather than he or she,
Speaker 28: do I have the right to impose upon you my
Speaker 28: sense of reality that I'm a ay even though you
Speaker 28: who don't have gender dysporia or transidentity, you have learned
Speaker 28: all the days in your life that they is a
Speaker 28: burrow and this is a sea of the person. And
Speaker 28: that's the wrong language. So the question is, if I
Speaker 28: consider myself to be something that offends your sense of reality,
Speaker 28: do I have a right to demand that you you
Speaker 28: conform to my sense of reality? And so that's the
Speaker 28: social debate that's going on, the only thing I could
Speaker 28: say about that is that when one transitions, either in
Speaker 28: a binary or non binary fashion, your sense of reality
Speaker 28: is different than the common person.
Speaker 31: And so this is the price that when he pays
Speaker 31: for the trans or neither a gender diverse person, we
Speaker 31: can use that race. The price that these people have
Speaker 31: to pay is that their sense of reality is different
Speaker 31: than the majority of human beings that they interact with.
Speaker 1: Mia was upset because her surgery had been scheduled for
Speaker 1: September ninth. Then she managed to move it up to
Speaker 1: July ninth. That would have been two weeks from the
Speaker 1: time of the murders. But remember, Mia had just checked
Speaker 1: herself into a psychiatric hospital. She knew she wasn't stable,
Speaker 1: but in the interview, Mia was vague about the hospitalization.
Speaker 1: She claimed it was more or less a prerequisite that
Speaker 1: her mom had made for them to feel okay about
Speaker 1: her getting the surgery. Mia reluctantly agreed to that and
Speaker 1: to some therapy if and only if her parents would
Speaker 1: help her go through with the sex change, but something
Speaker 1: went wrong. The hospital only kept her for three days.
Speaker 1: Beyond admitting ADHD and autism, she was vague about her
Speaker 1: other issues like psychosis.
Speaker 18: Are you have you been diagnosed?
Speaker 3: With schizophrenia.
Speaker 19: No, that's what I was the hospital for.
Speaker 3: Almost diagnosis.
Speaker 18: You'd never have anything that like Fung diagnosed.
Speaker 27: With one was like they were diagnosed, but I knew
Speaker 27: what it saw that day the guys were in there.
Speaker 27: I know what he said, but nobody believed me. I
Speaker 27: can't remember. It's something to do with like seeing auditory
Speaker 27: illusionscinations or something like that.
Speaker 19: Yeah, something like that. It's not quite scherzophrenia.
Speaker 1: Okay, so some form of psychosis regardless. One topic the
Speaker 1: detective wanted to clear up was premeditation. You could tell
Speaker 1: in the interview that Mia was pretty lucid. That has
Speaker 1: to do with being oriented to person, place and time.
Speaker 1: Do they know who they are? Do they know where
Speaker 1: they are? And do they know what time it is?
Speaker 1: Mia seemed very oriented and grounded. She knew exactly what
Speaker 1: she did.
Speaker 18: And why if you could go back to yesterday, when
Speaker 18: you change the outcome with your moment out.
Speaker 19: I don't think there's any way to change their mind.
Speaker 19: So no, if they changed their mind, which I.
Speaker 27: Know they're not because they're so narcissistic, I mean, it
Speaker 27: would be played out completely differently.
Speaker 19: So their answer was on them. They had their chance.
Speaker 29: When they changed their answer to know, that was pretty
Speaker 29: much solidified their outcome.
Speaker 19: Yeah, in your at least in your mind. Yeah, and
Speaker 19: you know basically it is now we won't do anything
Speaker 19: about it.
Speaker 27: No, we won't apologize you and all this stuff. So,
Speaker 27: I mean, this was like my one last tempt after
Speaker 27: so many times.
Speaker 18: But I tried.
Speaker 19: I'm going to give so many chances, all my family,
Speaker 19: my friends, and I can't account. But I just did
Speaker 19: it to myself.
Speaker 27: I just you know, destroyed myself by giving him too
Speaker 27: many chances, and.
Speaker 19: Enough was enough.
Speaker 32: Did you say a thing to your mama and you
Speaker 32: wantd in? No, that's whe and that's what that was
Speaker 32: actually a question I had because if if you didn't,
Speaker 32: if that was so, if you walked through the door.
Speaker 18: So you're more than there was no option for her
Speaker 18: to be able to say, Okay, yeah, I'll change my
Speaker 18: mind now because I knew.
Speaker 19: If I knew, if I hesitated a way, do I
Speaker 19: just sleep? I would have done it.
Speaker 27: And then I just regret my life more and more
Speaker 27: and more I get more angrier, and then it would
Speaker 27: it wouldn't be just my mom and dad.
Speaker 18: So that decision was made to not have any conversation
Speaker 18: when you walked.
Speaker 6: Through the door.
Speaker 12: No, that was mainly killed.
Speaker 19: Yeah, my decision was done. I'm like, this is I'm done.
Speaker 3: It is Crapah that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Are you seeing a pattern yet? MIA's parents were the narcissists,
Speaker 1: not her. She gave them every chance except the one
Speaker 1: that mattered most of course, the one that might have
Speaker 1: kept her from pulling the trigger on them. The detective asked,
Speaker 1: did your mom have any last words? The answer was no,
Speaker 1: because Mia didn't give her a chance. And the next
Speaker 1: thing she remembered was her dad walking down the hall
Speaker 1: towards the living room, asking what was going on. So
Speaker 1: she took him out too. It was all about Mia
Speaker 1: and all about what Mia wanted, and she had absolutely
Speaker 1: no remorse.
Speaker 18: And so I just want to I just I want
Speaker 18: to just clarify as far as any.
Speaker 27: Remorse that you have, Well, I the remorse was I
Speaker 27: didn't want to become the monster that they made mean
Speaker 27: it be.
Speaker 19: I really wanted to be good.
Speaker 18: I really didn't.
Speaker 19: But I guess said that was a last of Astra.
Speaker 1: She says, I didn't want to become the monster they
Speaker 1: made me to be. It goes without saying, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it anyway, because I'm Mike.
Speaker 8: Hi.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. No one can make you a monster.
Speaker 1: You see, there's this thing called choices. It's part of
Speaker 1: a greater thing called personal responsibility. Should I send that
Speaker 1: out for you libtwards out there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, leave
Speaker 1: it in the comments, try to get me banned, whatever,
Speaker 1: fuck off. But if you're honest with yourself about the
Speaker 1: very obvious pattern we keep seeing over and over again,
Speaker 1: a pattern of always looking outwards blaming whenever anything goes wrong.
Speaker 1: MIA's only remorseful feelings were still about what others had
Speaker 1: done to her. They made her into a monster, and
Speaker 1: she regretted that, which, by the way, I'd hate to
Speaker 1: be one of those trans surgeons who now has a
Speaker 1: perpetual target on their back because they made non reversible
Speaker 1: changes to multiple human beings, many of which are unstable
Speaker 1: and have a perspective of blaming outwards. Some of them
Speaker 1: might change their mind in a few years and fuck
Speaker 1: around and find out, I guess. At another point, when
Speaker 1: Mia was questioned again about whether there was anything else
Speaker 1: they should know, she turned the whole conversation on its head.
Speaker 27: Where did I can tell you what I could have
Speaker 27: done a lot better. And I knew all the way
Speaker 27: ahead of time, but still would have got better. I
Speaker 27: could have put a silence around it. I could have
Speaker 27: cleaned their rounds so soon as I had gotten the
Speaker 27: left for sunds.
Speaker 19: Yeah, you'll get a extended or threaded barrel on it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I could have you.
Speaker 19: Know, like I said, clean the rounds, to pick up
Speaker 19: the rounds. I can tell you how ex give you
Speaker 19: guys this.
Speaker 2: All last night three helicopter.
Speaker 29: I would be more than happy to have how you
Speaker 29: how you dodged arcadeine guy last night in that subdivision
Speaker 29: by where that where the golf course is.
Speaker 1: Not to state the obvious or anything, but she's laughing.
Speaker 1: I mean he's laughing. Sorry, man, you don't deserve my respect.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 27: So when you passed over that wall up bush, just
Speaker 27: hopping over fences, that is taking breaks.
Speaker 19: And then this is endurance.
Speaker 27: And then you got to watch the helicopters and they're
Speaker 27: on all that stuff so and they're waiting for backup.
Speaker 19: So it's it's taking off the main route. You're taking
Speaker 19: a bunch of different routes off road all the time.
Speaker 27: Sometimes main road just take fun who you're at and
Speaker 27: then off road again and hopping through. I am so
Speaker 27: sorry to all the people on plants probably destroyed on accident.
Speaker 17: Or frocks and there shrubbery.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 19: I was like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 18: I don't want to be here for a moment more.
Speaker 19: I don't want anything yours or or you know.
Speaker 27: And it's like, I apologize, but jomps up there, won't
Speaker 27: leave me quite yet.
Speaker 18: An only reason you.
Speaker 27: Guys caught me it is because of the daytime, and
Speaker 27: I saw your guys.
Speaker 19: Drums up there by the people there. Yeah, And I
Speaker 19: was gonna wait.
Speaker 27: Till night time and then go to uh crow do
Speaker 27: that fun dance again, and then I get to sports
Speaker 27: them in my house to get may one bullet.
Speaker 1: Nothing like having a chuckle with police about hiding from
Speaker 1: helicopters after you've murdered your parents. What a cut. Mia
Speaker 1: said the surgery was her last hope and that was
Speaker 1: taken from her. She said she was trying to get
Speaker 1: one more bullet to use on herself, but in the standoff,
Speaker 1: she already had options. She was the one holding the gun,
Speaker 1: she had armed officers around her. She had already talked
Speaker 1: about the death penalty and specified wanting a firing squad,
Speaker 1: but according to the police summary about the negotiation, Mia
Speaker 1: also said she could have killed herself and didn't because
Speaker 1: then they would have won. Instead, she wanted to take
Speaker 1: everyone down with her, and when detectives asked if there
Speaker 1: was anything else they should know, Mea didn't talk about
Speaker 1: mom or dad. She talked about how much better she
Speaker 1: could have done it. Remorse shows up in the interview,
Speaker 1: but it never seems to land on her parents. She
Speaker 1: shows more concern for strangers who passed by, for damage
Speaker 1: that she may have caused a shrubbery, for the mechanics
Speaker 1: of the chase, anything other than her own family.
Speaker 10: In her interview, when she started to talk about how
Speaker 10: she was able to evade the police for so long,
Speaker 10: so she was not remorseful. She was bragging about how
Speaker 10: well her plan worked, and that was very telling and
Speaker 10: something we definitely considered when we discussed whether or not
Speaker 10: we should seek the death penalty.
Speaker 1: Before prosecutors could decide whether to seek death, there were
Speaker 1: other voices they had to hear. Gail and Joseph Bailey
Speaker 1: were gone, one son barely escaped, and the rest of
Speaker 1: the Bailey sons still had to decide what they wanted
Speaker 1: the state to do with their youngest brother, Colin, the
Speaker 1: one who had murdered their parents because he wanted to
Speaker 1: be a woman. Twenty eight year old Colin Bailey, the
Speaker 1: youngest of four boys, believed he was special, not special
Speaker 1: like artistically gifted or mathematically brilliant, special like I was
Speaker 1: born with a dick and I think I should have
Speaker 1: a vagina, and that's my whole personality. Colin legally changed
Speaker 1: his name to Mia to match what he thought his
Speaker 1: gender should be. Mia was newly homeless, living in storage units,
Speaker 1: relatives houses, and hotel rooms in Washington County, Utah. On
Speaker 1: June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, she intruded into her parents'
Speaker 1: home in Washington City, despite a restraining order against her.
Speaker 1: She gave no opportunity for discussion. She pulled out her
Speaker 1: nine milimeter and opened fire. When she heard noises in
Speaker 1: the basement. She shot at her brother and sister in
Speaker 1: law through a locked door. She then went back upstairs
Speaker 1: to finish off her dying mother. Her father was already dead, so.
Speaker 29: When you walked through, she setting in the chair and
Speaker 29: fired the first round at her.
Speaker 18: I shout from the chair, Yeah, so you shot her
Speaker 18: and then what then as.
Speaker 29: Far as that, how did you how did you approach
Speaker 29: your mom from that point?
Speaker 19: I just shot her and there something down and he
Speaker 19: came out and I shot her.
Speaker 18: So you were basically just moving along and shooting at
Speaker 18: your mom until she went down and then your dad
Speaker 18: comes out.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 27: Then I go down, sorry, shoot went around, yeah, because
Speaker 27: I was kind of brother anne, carry and go back upstairs.
Speaker 19: Then do one more around and dad, just in case.
Speaker 18: Mom gets shot a bunch? How much I do.
Speaker 27: Remember actually coming out just in case because you heard
Speaker 27: her like bringing quite a bit, like choking, I went.
Speaker 19: To shoot her again.
Speaker 18: Do you remember standing up close to her? Do you remember?
Speaker 29: Was about sixteen away, so I never any closer than
Speaker 29: six feet about them, Okay?
Speaker 18: And then dad comes around, what's up? What's going on?
Speaker 19: Yep?
Speaker 29: And that rare his head and it was instant. It
Speaker 29: just fell backwards. So you shot him and then so
Speaker 29: just went around with that.
Speaker 19: Yeah, And then I and then you went downstairs, shot
Speaker 19: one around down there.
Speaker 18: Do you remember where you shot that road downstairs?
Speaker 29: And then laptop door the middle of the door, yeah,
Speaker 29: a little bit middle, but a little towards the left.
Speaker 18: It was locked did you hear did you hear him inside?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 19: He barched the door and stuff, and fucking i'st the target?
Speaker 3: So what was what was the route for her?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 18: Did you message?
Speaker 3: Just a message for herself?
Speaker 18: What would you What would it be like if you
Speaker 18: would have hit it?
Speaker 19: Oh, it's an asshole.
Speaker 1: That's just a little glimpse though, what the world would
Speaker 1: be like if we all just decided to shoot everyone
Speaker 1: who we thought was an asshole. A lot of people
Speaker 1: would be dead. That's why we have morals, That's why
Speaker 1: we have self restraint and laws. Mia was arrested the
Speaker 1: next morning after an hour's long manhunt and take into
Speaker 1: an interview room, where she told detectives that the sex
Speaker 1: change surgery had been her last hope and losing it
Speaker 1: was the final straw. But Utah is one of twenty
Speaker 1: seven states that employs the death penalty, and the prosecutors
Speaker 1: still had to decide whether Mia Bailey should live or die.
Speaker 1: During the interview with detectives, Mia was calm and oriented.
Speaker 1: She never shed a tear and never showed remorse for
Speaker 1: ending the lives of her parents. Her brother Corey was
Speaker 1: there and lived to tell about it.
Speaker 33: Of Coreat I know this is fucking hardest thing you've
Speaker 33: ever done, right, I need you to tell me what
Speaker 33: happened today.
Speaker 6: So me and my wife were downstairs.
Speaker 34: Watch sure, Okay, my mom was upstairs arguing with my
Speaker 34: grandma about some family drama or whatever. But apparently it
Speaker 34: pissed off my brother. He's a schizophrenic. He's been going
Speaker 34: through a lot of issues like we and trans transitioning,
Speaker 34: but he's he's been having a lot more issues likely,
Speaker 34: but you know what they were talking about, just gits
Speaker 34: and pieces, arguing about money and getting help taking.
Speaker 8: Care of the basic Okay, Okay. Apparently he was supposed
Speaker 8: to do some surgery or something.
Speaker 6: I haven't I haven't been keeping up on what's going
Speaker 6: on with him too much. Yeah, it got canceled and
Speaker 6: he thinks it was.
Speaker 8: Therefore us and this is the first time he's been
Speaker 8: to the house.
Speaker 6: In a minute or Yeah, we have a protective order against.
Speaker 8: Him, okay, And me and my wife Okay, is that
Speaker 8: and through that house? Yes? Because the house, me, my
Speaker 8: wife and my kids. Okay. All And as I heard.
Speaker 4: Shooting upstairs and then my my mother yelling and screaming,
Speaker 4: and then I locked the door to our room and
Speaker 4: I started opening the window, and I tried fount her
Speaker 4: out and got myself out. By the time we were
Speaker 4: climbing out the window, he was pounding on my door
Speaker 4: trying to open it, and then I heard gunshots at
Speaker 4: my door.
Speaker 1: Take a minute to just ask yourself, honestly, would your
Speaker 1: brain work that fast? Because some people run towards action,
Speaker 1: some people panic, and then some people panic so hard
Speaker 1: that they can't make a decision at all. Corey had
Speaker 1: seconds to figure out what was happening, move and make
Speaker 1: the right choice before Mia reached the door. At this point,
Speaker 1: Mia isn't in custody yet, and the shooting has just
Speaker 1: occurred less than thirty minutes before. The Bailey family still
Speaker 1: doesn't even have the worst dancer yet. Corey knows what
Speaker 1: he heard. He knows his parents were upstairs. He knows
Speaker 1: he and Amanda barely got out, but he doesn't know
Speaker 1: if his parents are still alive, and neither do his brothers.
Speaker 8: This is my brother, he doesn't just does he does?
Speaker 28: He know?
Speaker 4: Where?
Speaker 8: Does your brother went out of seat? Then wouldn't have
Speaker 8: a suit right held on.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry to be going to tell you I.
Speaker 8: Don't think they're They're deceased. Both.
Speaker 33: Okay, this is my brother and that's the reason I
Speaker 33: put him on I'm gonna let you deal with that. Okay,
Speaker 33: do you need something right now? I mean, we have
Speaker 33: a victim's advocate, we can.
Speaker 8: Call out for you.
Speaker 22: I don't even know where to begin with this.
Speaker 2: No, I know, until he's sound, I.
Speaker 7: Don't know where to go.
Speaker 6: That will be saved.
Speaker 2: At this point, like twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 1: For Corey, the shock is still immediate, the fear has
Speaker 1: barely worn off, and the adrenaline is still in his body.
Speaker 1: The grief is only beginning to catch up. But the
Speaker 1: legal process moves a hell of a lot slower. Mia
Speaker 1: confessed that night. In fact, she detailed exactly what she
Speaker 1: did and why, but she didn't immediately plead. For more
Speaker 1: than a year, prosecutors weighed what kind of case this was,
Speaker 1: whether Mia was guilty. Was this straightforward or we're mitigating
Speaker 1: factors strong enough to take the death penalty off the table.
Speaker 10: In Utah, we as prosecutors have a small time frame
Speaker 10: to decide whether or not to seek the death penalty.
Speaker 10: We have to declare it at the outset. Some of
Speaker 10: the factors that we have to consider our past cases
Speaker 10: where we sought the death penalty, and the facts of
Speaker 10: the cases need to be similar. So we looked at
Speaker 10: the two recent two most recent cases, which again we
Speaker 10: don't have very many murders, so we don't have a
Speaker 10: lot to compare it to. But the cases that we
Speaker 10: did seek the death penalty on they involved like a
Speaker 10: torture aspect. We felt this case was different in that
Speaker 10: these were quick, clean shots, especially with Joseph who was
Speaker 10: shot in the head, that there wasn't that torqueous aspect
Speaker 10: On the flip side. We did consider this to be premeditated.
Speaker 10: It was planned out, she had been practicing, and that's
Speaker 10: an aggravating factor that would incline us to seek the
Speaker 10: death penalty. A lot of our discussion focused on mental
Speaker 10: health issues, and ultimately we decided not to seek the
Speaker 10: death penalty because of one the mental health issues and
Speaker 10: to the fact that in her interview she said she
Speaker 10: wanted the death penalty, and we felt like giving her
Speaker 10: that what she wanted was the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 10: We shouldn't. We didn't want to reward her decision to
Speaker 10: murder her parents. In fact, she made a motion later
Speaker 10: on in court asking the judge to impose the death
Speaker 10: penalty against the advice of her defense attorney. But that's
Speaker 10: not her decision to make us a prosecuting decision and
Speaker 10: a judge's decision.
Speaker 1: It was still all about Mia. She wanted to skip
Speaker 1: the part of due process that says the judge and
Speaker 1: jury of your peers got to decide your fate. Mia
Speaker 1: already got to decide who lived and died because she
Speaker 1: didn't get her way, and now she wanted the easy
Speaker 1: way out, and she wanted it now. But that's just
Speaker 1: not how it works. And this is the part Mia
Speaker 1: never seemed to be able to understand. A diagnosis might
Speaker 1: explain suffering and instability, but it doesn't turn murder into
Speaker 1: self defense. Mia had grievances and a whole list of
Speaker 1: people she thought had failed her, and MIA's version of
Speaker 1: the story, she was still the victim. Not her mom,
Speaker 1: not her dad, not her brothers, or her nephews or nieces,
Speaker 1: just Mia. That's the ugly logic of narcissistic violence. The
Speaker 1: pain always points inwards, the blame outwards, and the people
Speaker 1: who get hurt are treated just like obstacles, not human beings.
Speaker 1: Mia Bailey was not just someone with genderdice for it.
Speaker 1: She was a person who made narcissistic and violent choices
Speaker 1: that ended lives, and none of her explanations changed what
Speaker 1: prosecutors were looking at. Two dead parents, a brother and
Speaker 1: a sister in law who barely escaped target practice, a gun,
Speaker 1: a confession, and a defendant who talked about death like
Speaker 1: it was one more thing she could control.
Speaker 10: Not going for the death penalty was of course controversial,
Speaker 10: but I do believe based on the factors that we
Speaker 10: have to abide by, it was the right decision and
Speaker 10: the mental health issues. One of the challenges as a
Speaker 10: prosecutor is working with victims and working with victims families,
Speaker 10: especially in a situation where one family member has victimized
Speaker 10: the rest of their family. So the defendant is a
Speaker 10: family member of the victim, which is what we have here.
Speaker 10: And Mia had three brothers and all of them wanted
Speaker 10: different things out of this. So some were seeking more
Speaker 10: of like punitive measures, and others were seeking more of
Speaker 10: mercy and saying that their parents wouldn't want Mia to
Speaker 10: be punished so harshly for these crimes. So as a prosecutor,
Speaker 10: we have to take into account the victims and what
Speaker 10: they want, but we also have a responsibility to the
Speaker 10: community and we have to take in to account the
Speaker 10: community as well. So trying to find where to land
Speaker 10: on the justice versus mercy scale was difficult for our team.
Speaker 10: Aggravated murder carries a minimum of twenty five years per count,
Speaker 10: so we had two aggravated murders, one for Joseph one
Speaker 10: for Gail, each with a sentence of twenty five to life.
Speaker 10: One of the decisions that we had to make was
Speaker 10: whether to pursue those sentences concurrently so that they would
Speaker 10: run at the same time and Mia could potentially be
Speaker 10: out of prison in twenty five years, or to ask
Speaker 10: them to be ran consecutively so that means stacked on
Speaker 10: top of each other. So Mia would sarve twenty five
Speaker 10: years for the murder of Joseph and then twenty five
Speaker 10: years minimum for the murder of Gail, potentially longer up
Speaker 10: to life, meaning that that would be a minimum of
Speaker 10: fifty years. We chose, and it wasn't necessarily an easy decision,
Speaker 10: but because we did want to be respectful of the
Speaker 10: family and of the mental health circumstances, but we chose
Speaker 10: to pursue consecutive sentences I do think at the end
Speaker 10: of the day, we did get the family to see
Speaker 10: where we were coming from and agree with consecutive sentencing,
Speaker 10: But it was a challenge to get there. And the
Speaker 10: reason we went to consecutive is because we as an
Speaker 10: office viewed that as two separate lives, two separate people
Speaker 10: that needed justice, and so we wanted each victim to
Speaker 10: be represented.
Speaker 1: Mia confessed in the interview room, but it wasn't until
Speaker 1: a year later, after she passed a competency evaluation that
Speaker 1: prosecutors offered a plea. On November sixth, Mia Bailey changed
Speaker 1: her plea from not guilty to guilty but mentally ill,
Speaker 1: and on December nineteenth, she returned to court for sentencing.
Speaker 26: It's Bailey in case two four to one five zero
Speaker 26: one one ninety three to the charge of aggravated a
Speaker 26: first degree family You were hereby sentenced to serve twenty
Speaker 26: five years to live. Count two aggravated murder, first degree felony,
Speaker 26: or hereby sentenced to serve twenty five years to life.
Speaker 26: Count three aggravated assault, a third degree felmy. You are
Speaker 26: hereby sentence to serve zero to five years always at
Speaker 26: the Utah State Prison.
Speaker 12: To run consecutive one with the other.
Speaker 1: In that sensing, the focus finally moved away from Mia
Speaker 1: and her selfishness, her surgery, and her blame, back to
Speaker 1: the people she left behind, her brothers yo honor.
Speaker 17: We sit before this court as the children, grandchildren, sister, brother, mother,
Speaker 17: extended family and friends, the majority of the remaining family
Speaker 17: that hasn't spoken today of Joseph Blue Bailey and Gale Bailey,
Speaker 17: two real people whose lives were defined not by how
Speaker 17: they died, but how they lived. We also stand here
Speaker 17: as a family to Mia that dual reality is not
Speaker 17: something we choose, but is something that we must care honestly.
Speaker 17: Our father, Joseph Blue Bailey, spent most of his working life.
Speaker 12: As a maritime engineer on tugboats.
Speaker 17: He was gone from months at a time doing physically
Speaker 17: demanding and often dangerous work so his family would be
Speaker 17: stable and secure. He believed in responsibility, not excuses. Our mother,
Speaker 17: Gil was a homemaker, but advocacy was her life's work.
Speaker 17: She spent years navigating schools, doctors and systems that resisted accommodation, particularly.
Speaker 12: When it came to mental illness.
Speaker 17: She did that work without a title, without pay, and
Speaker 17: without recognition because her children.
Speaker 12: Mattered more than anything else.
Speaker 17: Long before most people understood what autism or schizophrenia meant,
Speaker 17: she was fighting school.
Speaker 12: Systems, attending IEP meetings.
Speaker 17: Researching, calling, pushing, and insisting that her child not be
Speaker 17: written off because she was difficult or complicated. The consequences
Speaker 17: we are asking for are not rooted in hatred or revenge.
Speaker 17: They are rooted in responsibility, safety, and the reality that
Speaker 17: you required structure and treatment to survive. What happened cannot
Speaker 17: be undone. But pretending you are someone you are never capable.
Speaker 12: Of being does not serve justice and it does not
Speaker 12: honor our parents.
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine what this family has gone through, And
Speaker 1: to be honest, I can't imagine what someone who legitimately
Speaker 1: thinks they were born in the wrong body feels like.
Speaker 1: Either must be awful, always needing external validation to feel normal.
Speaker 1: It's got to be hell. And unfortunately I have to
Speaker 1: say this because there's a lot of really ignorant people
Speaker 1: out there. But just because you consider yourself trans doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're a homicidal maniac. I've interacted with plenty of
Speaker 1: trans people, some even in this industry, that are perfectly normal, nice,
Speaker 1: and a pleasure to be around. Shout out Annie Ryan
Speaker 1: from who are these podcasts? But let's stop pretending like
Speaker 1: wanting to cut your dick off doesn't mean you're not
Speaker 1: fucked up. Guess what, We're all fucked up. We all
Speaker 1: have issues, we all have trauma. We're all doing the
Speaker 1: best we can. You're free to make whatever decisions you
Speaker 1: want to make yourself okay enough to carry on, and
Speaker 1: unless you're a complete bag of shit, you'll address people
Speaker 1: by how they want to be addressed, with the same
Speaker 1: politeness you would use if you had mispronounced their name.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with any of that. I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone I know has a problem with that.
Speaker 1: The problem comes when you start amplifying you're so called solution,
Speaker 1: start normalizing it, get every immediate talking head to perpetuate
Speaker 1: your dick removal miracle. In movies, TV, social media, you
Speaker 1: get dumb celebrities to chant your mantras and create a
Speaker 1: social contagion that envelops the most vulnerable, those with severe
Speaker 1: psychological issues and literal confused children who already feel out
Speaker 1: of place, not due to sex, but to that magical
Speaker 1: awkward age where we all feel like social rejects and
Speaker 1: are doing just about anything to feel special, to feel normal.
Speaker 1: Then you start attacking anyone who gets in your way.
Speaker 1: That's where the problem is. When you stop asking if
Speaker 1: they'll address you by your pronouns and you start demanding
Speaker 1: that they do. You start demanding that the collective pool
Speaker 1: of government money funded by all of our tax dollars,
Speaker 1: pays for it for you to have your little cure.
Speaker 1: And then you demonize, threaten, and cancel anyone that says
Speaker 1: other one. That is where the problem is. Mia Bailey
Speaker 1: wanted the world to validate her identity, her pain, and
Speaker 1: her version of reality. But the law doesn't exist to
Speaker 1: affirm delusion, excuse narcissism, or turn grievance into permission to kill.
Speaker 1: No name change, no diagnosis, no surgery, and no amount
Speaker 1: of suffering could change what this was. Two parents executed
Speaker 1: in cold blood, a brother nearly killed, and a family
Speaker 1: torn apart and forced to carry the cost of MIA's
Speaker 1: self obsession. Mia Bailey doesn't deserve my or anyone else's politeness,
Speaker 1: so I will not address it by its pronouns. And
Speaker 1: if you're listening and you have a problem with that,
Speaker 1: you well you can suck my deck, because I still
Speaker 1: have one. It is not a woman, it is not
Speaker 1: a man. It is a monster and it will be
Speaker 1: about eighty eight years old when it finally gets out
Speaker 1: of prison.
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