1 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. I am Kerrie Anne, and you are 2 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:34,119 listening to Seventh Sanctum. Thank you very much for joining us, 3 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,200 and tonight it's normal. I'm joined with Natalie. Hello Natalie. 4 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: I hope you all right. 5 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm good, Thank you. I I've not heard that. Oh 6 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,920 that reminds me. I've got through my dad and the 7 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:47,119 long time since I've heard that. 8 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:50,439 Speaker 2: Gage showing there isn't it? 9 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: Yeah? Or your northern side. 10 00:00:53,320 --> 00:01:01,119 Speaker 2: Coming through the Midlands, Northern side straight off? Why don't you. 11 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:04,719 Speaker 1: It's just just peak. That's all I had to I 12 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,480 had to, yeah, acknowledge it. Tonight we'll be enjoying this 13 00:01:08,519 --> 00:01:12,480 evening with David Young. We have featured on David Young's 14 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,120 podcast before, but tonight we're welcome David to our show. Welcome, David, 15 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:17,480 how are you? 16 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: Thank you very much for inviting me. It's a pleasure 17 00:01:20,599 --> 00:01:22,920 to join you. And you were one of my last 18 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,159 guests before I sort of left the network. 19 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Yes, we were. 20 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: It's nice to actually come back to the network for 21 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,040 this short visit. Maybe I could explain why I sort 22 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,079 of packed my job. I'm not the job while showing, 23 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:45,519 I mean, you hear all sorts of rumors that I 24 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,760 was falling out and how there was nothing like that. 25 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:49,959 It's just it was just it was just me. I 26 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,400 just decided kind of exhausted myself on it, and I 27 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:57,920 just thought, I think enough enough, really, and I've had 28 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:00,079 a few sort of messages coming through from people and 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,319 listened to the show saying they're sort of sorry I've 30 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:04,319 gone and all that sort of stuff. But you know, 31 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:08,360 I just thought the time would come. Really. I've had 32 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,360 a few guests lined up already for sort of later 33 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,639 in the year, but I just sort of contact her. 34 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,879 I said, I'm going to have to cancel these. I 35 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:18,599 just sort of just I've kind of put myself out 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,639 of it. If you see what I mean, you might 37 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,000 you might realize what I mean about five years time. 38 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:31,039 Speaker 2: You had episodes later, Yeah, yeah, two hundred and twelve 39 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:31,759 shows I did. 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: So I did that to have a break sort of 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,479 a you know, probably a year and a half ago 42 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:39,560 I was going to stop doing them. On this occasion, 43 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:41,639 I decided I was going to kind of get to 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,719 a point where I've done maybe two hundred and twenty five. 45 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,879 I was thinking two hundred and fifteen. I thought, if 46 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,240 I go to two hundred and fifty I'm going to 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,319 go into another year again. So I just and then 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,719 it just came to a point. I got to twelve, 49 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:56,159 I don't really had shows planned, and I just thought, 50 00:02:56,439 --> 00:02:58,360 I just can't do it anymore. I've got too many 51 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,360 other things I want to do, and ye know, sorry, 52 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,400 other podcast and I never got a chance to listen 53 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,280 to other people's podcasts because I do my own and 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,560 doing all around mixing and all that sort of stuff, 55 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:12,120 lying guests up and taking notes, and you know, I 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,560 felt was missing I personally was missing out on listening 57 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:18,439 to other people's shows, such as your own Prisons. You know. 58 00:03:19,439 --> 00:03:22,560 Plus I've I'm also the admin now or the Essex 59 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,840 UFO and Paranormal group, so I've been sort of lining 60 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,319 up guests for that. I mean, luckily for people that 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,599 I've actually had on my show. So I was lucky 62 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:35,319 to sort of get a few guests at the We've 63 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:38,840 actually got a whole year's worth of guests at the moment, so, 64 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:40,759 which is pretty good. 65 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: That's more organized than we really are. 66 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:49,599 Speaker 3: We were like when I lined up guest, I was 67 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,360 trying to get like I was like six months ahead 68 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,719 from our show, the big show with the Paranormal Paranormal 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,240 Dimensions on the Paranormal uk diit, which is your work. 70 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,560 You know, as I said, I've had help people sort 71 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,599 of saying, oh, I'm sorry, I'll sort of stop doing it. 72 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,879 I said, well, I'm just it's just one of those things. 73 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:11,199 I've just got to do it. Just you know, sometimes 74 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,439 you have to put yourself first, you know. 75 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: It's you know, yeah, it's nice that people are saying 76 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,079 that they miss you. There at least it means you 77 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:23,680 weren't talking into the ether. 78 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: The network sort of contact with me, and I was 79 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,839 offering vast amounts of money. Just don't know, they weren't 80 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:39,040 really really I wish they were. I just I just 81 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:41,399 felt that Son was like a sort of really concentrated 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,759 other things. Really, It's like I was just talking to 83 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,759 you off offline about the SEPE sepe officer or investigation officer. 84 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:55,480 Now SEPPI means supernatural, extraterrestrial and parallel with the investigations. 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,639 I'm hoping to sort of take that further as well, 86 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,120 which one to enlist a few people new carry may 87 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:07,199 well be there in that in that group as well. Soon. 88 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Yes, what he's sappy then, for those of us that 89 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:11,680 don't know. 90 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's it's it's say it's starting off as 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,920 a local group as a as a local police officer 92 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:20,240 who obviously in Essex I won't I won't give out 93 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,240 any names or anything moment, but he's actually started a 94 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,000 group called SEPPI, which but again that's a supernatural estut 95 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,240 festuval and paranormal investigations. Uh. The intention is to actually 96 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,879 do investigations and try to get to the bottom of things, 97 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,399 you know, not to actually proof poohm as such, but 98 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:43,480 to actually find out if they're true or or false, 99 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:48,240 you know, do a proper investigation. Like because he's a 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,879 police officer, he's going to try and do it the 101 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,439 way the police would do an investigation. That doesn't mean 102 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,639 to arrest anybody who's or that it's something like that, 103 00:05:55,879 --> 00:05:58,680 just to carry out that, you know, to investigate the 104 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:02,959 way the police would do it. You know, there's no 105 00:06:03,079 --> 00:06:05,399 sort of chucking b jail the line or something at 106 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:07,319 the end of it. It's just say we won't take 107 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:11,199 it any further, and that's that, you know. But but 108 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:15,279 to use the values and the methods used in policing. 109 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,240 That's kind of where it's saying in to go we've 110 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,759 already got well, I'll say, I say, we U. There 111 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,240 is actually a database set up already for SEPPY which 112 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,079 US officers have access to where we can put cases 113 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,759 on and sort of carry them through, or say the 114 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,959 cases and you know he's finished, or add to it, 115 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:41,360 or put new cases on that we want to sort 116 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:45,639 of carry out. The public can get access to the 117 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,240 results of a lot of those investigations on the SEPPI page. 118 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,480 I might better find a website for it at the 119 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,040 end of the as we go along, but you can 120 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,560 actually get if you look for SEPPI investigation, you'll probably 121 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,480 find a lot of it anyway if you sort of 122 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:06,920 google it. But really it's a new thing, so it's 123 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,240 kind of I think the idea is that it's going 124 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:13,920 to be trying to link all the investigation things that 125 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:16,680 it's actually sort of about worldwide thing, trying to get 126 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,040 things linked up. Whether it actually get that far, I 127 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,399 don't know. It's very As I said, it's early days 128 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:25,160 at the moment, and we find just X based at 129 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,240 the moment, so. 130 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,399 Speaker 2: That's sort of looking like a paranormal move on basically, yeah. 131 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, move on, you for yous and it So whether 132 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,959 it could actually get as big as move On, because 133 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,399 I mean, I think the idea is to actually ask 134 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,319 people that you know, groups like move On to actually 135 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,439 amalgamate with Sipping type of thing. You know. Whether that 136 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,600 is actually happened, I don't know, but I think that's 137 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,839 the aim. 138 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: And there's lots of opportunities there as well for people 139 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,759 that are listening that might find and that this is 140 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,519 an ethos that kind of resonates with them in terms 141 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:06,079 of their research and how they would like to approach. 142 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,759 There's training as well that's kind of goes alongside that. 143 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,160 There's lots of opportunities for people or individuals and teams 144 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,279 that would like to come if they want to. But 145 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:18,399 there is a guidance on kind of doing a little 146 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:21,600 bit of reading around some of the faults and hypothesis 147 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,240 that Seppi has as well, just to make sure that 148 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,839 that does align with you, so that that's on their website, 149 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:28,240 isn't it. 150 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, a lot. We have to take a lot 151 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,200 of security appearance and all that as well for the investigations. 152 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,000 So of course we're going to be visiting people's houses. 153 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:39,679 We've actually got a security appearance with our car and 154 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:49,240 all sorts of things. 155 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,799 Speaker 1: Quite literally, which is amazing. Okay, so you've spoke a 156 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,519 little bit about the work you're doing with SEPE, so 157 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,039 this is something really new and it's developing and you're 158 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,799 kind of been at the grassroots with that. But you're 159 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:07,519 also mentioned the Essex UFO and Paranormal group. They're based 160 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,440 in Westcliffe, isn't it? With as Seventh Sanctum. We've did 161 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,559 a little bit of work with David Hobbs and so, 162 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,000 who are wonderful people, but they have when you talk 163 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,720 about booking guests, these are guest speakers that you can 164 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:21,440 come and visit in person, isn't it. 165 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's once a meeting, once a month meeting. 166 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,440 It's on the first Frida year every month. Because I've 167 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,720 actually I've actually joined the admin there. I've actually lined 168 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:37,039 up all next year's guests already for them. So whether 169 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,200 they're I mean, as we get your cancelations and they 170 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,840 have to switch about and all that, But hopefully that 171 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:45,279 won't happen because we've had a few apparently I've had 172 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,039 a few cock ups in them in the past, and 173 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:50,879 you know, like people's books and then find out I 174 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:53,559 would have forgotten to bring them and or anyway, but 175 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:55,080 I trying to avoid all that. 176 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can see how that can be problematic. 177 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that's interesting. We early ones that sort 178 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,960 of in the Essex area. You're always welcome to come along. Off. 179 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:10,440 It's usually for the guests, depending on who the guests 180 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,200 are and what their expenses are, it's usually about five 181 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,080 quid on the door, or with the more expensive ones, 182 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,720 it's sort of like thinkquid because sometimes I guess that's 183 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,080 a couple of wye to cover expenses. But it's usually 184 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,480 a very interesting guest. You know, we've got some topnotch 185 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,639 names coming. There's a few topnotch names coming next to you. 186 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: So exciting. So what does it? What does that mean 187 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,960 for you? What are you in terms of your paranormal investigations? 188 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:42,399 And I know that you do you have links to 189 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,080 and I know we spoke about it. I spoke about 190 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,840 it loosely and I threw Natalie straight under that bus. 191 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,279 But with view athology and things like that, what what's that? 192 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,639 What's that looking like for you in the next year? 193 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: Myself? I don't know, to be honest, I'll actually get 194 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,240 a cut back on going to conference. Is I've actually 195 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,600 said I promised my wife. I'm going to cut back 196 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,120 because I've been spending so much money on hotels and 197 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,000 weekends away and stuff like that. I said, I'm going 198 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:10,960 to cut back on that and try and concentrate more 199 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,559 on local stuff, more local investigations and stuff like that. 200 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,600 We we've got a weekend coming up with the Paranormal 201 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:25,840 Physical Festivals explained. Festival explain coming up in September, in 202 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,639 the nineteenth September. 203 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: I think it's twenty first. 204 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,879 Speaker 3: Well it's nineteenth twenty first. I think it is. Okay, 205 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,440 Well I'm looking at month pig. Yeah, it's don't worry. 206 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,559 It starts on a Thursday, ends on a Sunday anyway. 207 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:43,840 But yeah, that that's we're looking forward to that. That's 208 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,480 the whole weekend and the lot Giermal wife will actually 209 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,279 be coming for that one. We'll be staying in the 210 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:53,559 hotel at Bosworth Fall everything. If anyone's who have Lot 211 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,559 the Holes of files on, We've got Dave Schweder, yes, 212 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:06,840 Cyndy Casor and anyway, and also several other guests that 213 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,919 are coming, you know, some returning guests. People like a 214 00:12:10,039 --> 00:12:14,360 Neil story and that is a regular So yes, it's 215 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,559 gonna be a fantastic weekend. 216 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:20,759 Speaker 1: That sounds really exciting. That's one thing on my bucket 217 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:22,960 list for the next year or so is I haven't 218 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,039 been to enough conventions in fact, that that weekend I'm 219 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:29,519 actually going to a true crime it's a crime convention, 220 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,279 but it's all psychology, genealogy, DNA, all that kind of stuff. 221 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: I've seen something about that. 222 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it falls on the same weekend, but hopefully 223 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:40,960 next year. It sounds really interesting. 224 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to get a VRP ticket, they 225 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,120 called it a v IP ticket because it's you get 226 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:50,480 included everything. Reason not a lot. We're in very important people, 227 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,639 but they're not cheap. But they will worth having because 228 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,440 you're getting you know, you go out on the day 229 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,039 trip and all that, and you've got the private evenings 230 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,759 and all that and the meals and everything else. But 231 00:13:02,799 --> 00:13:07,159 they do go quickly. Yes, so as soon as they 232 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,360 get announced, I'll usually say right, couple. But the good 233 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:15,080 thing is she could actually pay by by installments as well. 234 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,200 He's have to pay the whole amount up, so he's 235 00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:18,799 sort of paid deposit and he can sort of pay 236 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:21,200 it up by a certain date which is sort of 237 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,399 almost a year away. Which is pretty good. 238 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: Is your wife interested in a similar subject or is 239 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,120 she just being dragged along? 240 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 3: No, she's I mean, my wi, she's actually very interesting. 241 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,559 She's not as committed to it as me. I'll tell 242 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,559 you a little story about you. Actually says before I 243 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:42,120 knew her, way before I knew her, she she's got 244 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,879 she's got asper quite bad thing. You know. She's controlled 245 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:48,320 obviously with her pump pumps and all that you have. 246 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,799 But way before I knew her, she actually died three 247 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,279 times on the way to hospital. And she actually had 248 00:13:56,159 --> 00:13:59,120 the near deaf or the near death experience or the 249 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,120 died experience where she saw the light and that she 250 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,919 and she was given her and she was actually offered 251 00:14:04,919 --> 00:14:06,960 a choice as to her come back or not. And 252 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,039 she remembers all of that, which is actually quite interesting, 253 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,320 you know, because and actually the ambulance drivers that took 254 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,639 her to hospital, so she died twice on the way 255 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:19,879 to hospital, or I think it was, I think it 256 00:14:19,919 --> 00:14:22,639 was twice on the way to hospital, but they actually 257 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:24,279 came to visit her in hospital to see if she 258 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,399 was okay. Oh yeah, And I actually said that she'd 259 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,039 actually died in the in the ambulance and they brought 260 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,720 her back sort of thing. But she had this vision 261 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,279 of a lot of seeing the light and everything and 262 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:40,759 and actually being given that choice to come back or not. 263 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:44,960 So that's quite an interesting factor. 264 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:48,279 Speaker 2: She were they like, this is going to be a 265 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,960 future husband, and she was like, oh gosh. 266 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: That's another There's another very funny thing about that. She's 267 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,440 actually told me that even as a child, as she 268 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:04,200 was learning to talk, she kept having the name David. 269 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:06,480 She's always using the name. She used to call her 270 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:09,799 dolls David and all that sort of stuff, and she 271 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:14,159 even named her first son David as well. But so 272 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:16,919 whether I was actually in the picture to her to 273 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:20,159 later to come back to you to you know, maybe 274 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,639 I was the one that she was supposed to come 275 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:25,840 back to, I don't know. We sort of met in 276 00:15:25,919 --> 00:15:29,679 later years and we kind of both saved each other. Really. 277 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,440 I was in a bed bad marriage, if you like 278 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:36,759 to call it that, and I was on the on 279 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:39,799 the edge basically, and we kind of both saved each other, 280 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,000 you know. But everything's great now, you thing, it's fine. 281 00:15:44,919 --> 00:15:48,639 But yeah, and you. 282 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,159 Speaker 1: Traveled quite a lot to them. You recently went over 283 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,000 to America. So when you do those international kind of trips. 284 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,039 Do you take the paranormal with you or do you 285 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,399 investigate as a couple. 286 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,799 Speaker 3: Not as much to go, but I do actually try 287 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,960 to look up any thing that's sort of local, you know, 288 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:07,519 I'll do ask questions or if we go to somewhere historical, 289 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,919 for instance, ask about ghosts and all that. We're both 290 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,279 big Ilviistans pictures and stuff. We went to Memphis and 291 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:19,480 but also apart from Memphis, we went to Tupelo, and 292 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:21,679 then we did a bit more of a troop around Tennessee. 293 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,799 We ended up in the town called which is outside 294 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:28,200 of Nashville, called Franklin, which is a lot of Civil 295 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,080 War action took place there, and there's quite a few 296 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,279 ghost stories around Franklin actually, which were very interesting. We 297 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:39,480 visited two of the old Civil War homes, you know. 298 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:41,039 One one of them was all out in the barn. 299 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,759 We've actually got bullet holes. You have to look at 300 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:46,000 all the bullet holes and every picture taken through the 301 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,279 bullet holes. But yeah, there was a few ghost stories 302 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:55,279 around that which were quite interesting. But yeah, I mean 303 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,879 I didn't really get a chance to really sort of 304 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:00,639 I mean i'd have gone on ghost and all sorts 305 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,360 of things, but we weren't really there. For that reason, 306 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,720 we didn't see it. Goes to Belvis. 307 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,599 Speaker 2: Do you believe it's a ghost or not. 308 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:18,079 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure he's out there somewhere, but he's not 309 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,279 actually out there alive. 310 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: No, there was years ago. I used to be affiliated 311 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,519 with a paranormal team called Stranger and Fiction Paranormal based 312 00:17:28,519 --> 00:17:33,720 in Arkansas, and they actually had the opportunity to investigate 313 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:36,920 the fault that Elvis Presley was based at when he 314 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,720 was serving in the Army, and there's meant to be 315 00:17:39,839 --> 00:17:43,319 links there as well, but sightings of Elvis there when 316 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:45,920 they went. Yeah, it was really really interesting place. 317 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 3: I suppose he must leave little bits of yourself everywhere 318 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,720 you're busy, probably, you know, like what they call it, like. 319 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: Remnants, Yeah, like little. 320 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,839 Speaker 3: Memory is of yourself. I suppose that're in sort of 321 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:05,559 probably a lot of recording of yourself. Maybe. I think 322 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:09,839 that's where a lot of these ghost stories come from, 323 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,039 especially if you had some sort of traumatic thing that 324 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:15,720 happened somewhere, you know, and I think it was quite 325 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:17,759 traumatic for always been in the army. I don't think 326 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:24,240 you enjoyed it that much. Yeah, But well, one of 327 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,160 the things I mean, but I so you might not 328 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,440 tell know where I got interested in the paranormal. My 329 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,079 memories go right back to when I was a child, actually, 330 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,359 when I was actually standing in my cop one day, 331 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,880 and I can remember I must have only been maybe 332 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,000 fifteen months or something like that, maybe because I know 333 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 it was a cock because I had the side on it, 334 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,720 and I lived in London, so I lived in London 335 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,440 preparative in London. And I can remember standing in my 336 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:57,559 cot and I could see a purple mist comes swirling 337 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,519 into the room and swirling around the room and over 338 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:02,680 to me, and it came right up close to me 339 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,400 and scared the life out of me. Now I didn't 340 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,799 know what a ghost was when I was only a 341 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:12,000 young child. So this purple mistswelling around the room and 342 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:14,759 it came right up to him, scared the life out 343 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,440 of me. And I'm screaming. And if my father came 344 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,160 into a room, uh, and I'm saying I'm basically saying baby, 345 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,119 which I don't know if I was actually using words, 346 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,240 but I'm sort of pointing to this thing and say, God, 347 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:28,720 you see it. And he couldn't see this purple mist 348 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,359 that was swoolling around anyway, this my purple misswirlled around 349 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,160 and went back out that actually went back out the 350 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:39,119 door again. And I asked, I mentioned to my father 351 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,640 sort of I was in my teens about did he 352 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,079 remember that purple miss that I was talking about? Uh? 353 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,519 He said, you can remember it happening, But as I say, 354 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:51,279 he never saw it. But it must have been quite 355 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:53,799 a thing because I've always remembered it all these years later. 356 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,640 I'm still thinking of it. I can still, you know, 357 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:58,559 sort of picture it now. It wasn't a dream or 358 00:19:58,599 --> 00:20:01,799 any think like that. I can only put it down 359 00:20:01,799 --> 00:20:04,839 to some sort of a I mean, I lost I 360 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,440 never knew my grandfather, both my grandfather, so maybe it 361 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,400 was a grandfather coming to visit me as a baby. 362 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,920 I don't know. But also there was. 363 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: Purple was an unusual color as well, isn't it fair? 364 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? I can actually remember it was a deep purple. 365 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:24,960 But I've always wondered if that, if that purple did 366 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:31,680 mean something, why was it a purple mist? You know? 367 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,079 As to say, I've asked several sort of mediums and 368 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,359 that thing. If I know of any media meeting anything 369 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,119 what it means about that missed. But nobody's been able 370 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,519 to give me a really solid answer about it. 371 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,519 Speaker 2: Before now. But I've never seen a purple missed. 372 00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 3: But the fact is that I was a baby and 373 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,720 I didn't know what ghost for. I mean, why did 374 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,599 it scare me? Why did I just think I was 375 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,240 a purple mist about? You know, it actually terrified me. 376 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,000 And another thing that I often think about is that 377 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,000 the house we were living in, we we were living upstairs, 378 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,880 and the lady living downstairs that we were renting it 379 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,440 out from her. Now I know around about I can't 380 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,160 say it was exactly that time, but she did actually die, 381 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:18,880 So I'm wondering if maybe she was having a look 382 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,960 around the house, you know, when I was a baby, 383 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,920 and you know, you know, it's all conjecture. Just still 384 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:30,880 wondering about what what that purple miss was really? Why 385 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:31,319 come to me? 386 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: You ever come across anybody else with purple, because it's 387 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,599 normally white or blue or or black, isn't it when 388 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,559 you see miss? 389 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,079 Speaker 3: I was just saying, I've always wondered what that purple 390 00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:45,920 miss meant, not meant anything, it's just you know, it's 391 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,119 just it's just how I remember it. Maybe maybe it 392 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,839 was a blue a blue or something, but it was 393 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:53,039 it looked purple to me. 394 00:21:54,640 --> 00:22:00,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, when we when we do things around spirituals and mediums, esecially, 395 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,759 when they think a little bit about how spirit manifest 396 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,119 is or how we see colors, some people see auras 397 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,559 and stuff. Sometimes it's a really subjective experience. So it's 398 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:14,640 what purple means to you and what you would naturally 399 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,160 associate that color too. So whether it could be a 400 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,119 feeling emotion, or it could be a person, but typically 401 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:27,079 purple is a color of communication, is Yeah, So when 402 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,440 you think about the chakras and with the different colors 403 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,079 of the chakras, the chakra that's associated with divine communications 404 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,519 spirit communication is purple. 405 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 3: Maybe it was somebody's just giving me a missing to say, 406 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,839 for me to for me to actually remember all my life, 407 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:46,680 which I've always remembered it, you know. Maybe it was 408 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,559 something to do with that, you know, and there's. 409 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: No such things coincidences, So maybe that was your setting 410 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,480 you on your path to where you are now. 411 00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: That has been mentioned before. I mean, it's the same 412 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,480 was like UFOs. I mean, my main memory of a 413 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,599 UFO was back in about nineteen sixty seven. I see, 414 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:09,480 it was when I saw a big orange oval object 415 00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:11,880 going across the night sky when I was coming home 416 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,359 from a girlfriends at the time. I was actually here 417 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,240 in Essex before I moved sort of to Suffolk, that 418 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:20,720 I came back to a six that was actually embattled 419 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,799 for you a lot, sort of about one o'clock in 420 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,599 the morning, a big oval or orange object going across 421 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,000 the color and it was all different shades of orange. 422 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,039 It wasn't sort of one solid shape, but it was 423 00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:34,279 a shade. And it wasn't a bright light. It was 424 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:37,720 like an incandescent light of different shades of orange light. 425 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:40,720 Now like the lava looks. It was like like that 426 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:43,279 type of thing, like the old lava lamps, that type 427 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:47,119 of a light. But it was completely silent and I 428 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,200 was watching it for a good few minutes as it 429 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,160 was going across the sky and it was big, big 430 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,200 oval object. Now it was oval like that, but I 431 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,359 mean maybe it was round on its side, so and 432 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,359 I can't say how big it was how far away 433 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,240 it was, but it looked big to me. But I 434 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,839 had this I had this funny feeling coming over me 435 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,079 when I was looking at it, like a It wasn't 436 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,519 a fear. It was like a realization that they were real, 437 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:16,519 you know. That was what went through my mind. I 438 00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,839 thought they're real, that actually exists, you know. And then 439 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,000 that then I had a memory that went back to 440 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:24,480 again to my childhood when I was living in London. 441 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:28,400 One evening, I was sitting on my steps and I 442 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,880 was watching us. I was actually, yeah, like the early 443 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,839 evening you could just about seeing the stars come out 444 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,279 at night, and I'm actually sitting there and I'm watching 445 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:39,640 this star move and stop and move and stop going downwards. 446 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,720 It was now I'm talking about nineteen fifty eight fifty nine, 447 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,000 so I'm a bit older than you, Sue, so but 448 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,200 and of course there were no such things as lot 449 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,480 of satellites and things really backed then. So what the 450 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:57,720 hell that was that was moving and stopping and moving 451 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,680 and stopping. I don't know. Maybe that was my first 452 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:02,799 U experience. I can't think what else it was. We 453 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,119 know stars don't do that, but of course at the 454 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,480 time I just still it was stars doing it, you know. 455 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:12,880 So so that's probably my first REFO experience, but without 456 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,559 realizing it. 457 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: Seeing things back then in the sky that are unidentified 458 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,400 as probably more authentic than seeing things now because there 459 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,519 is so much in the sky. Now, it's a lot 460 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:29,200 harder to separate it all out. Back then, like you say, 461 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,119 a bigger you're singing the sky, you like, what. 462 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 3: Like that? It just looked like stars, you know when 463 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,039 they have stars, like a star. But it was moving 464 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,599 and would and then stopping and then moving again and 465 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,480 then stopping. So I mean back then, I mean there 466 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,680 was nothing around that was that. It wasn't even helicopters 467 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,160 and things really they would do that. And I don't 468 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,599 think even helicopters can sort of moving and stop and 469 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,400 move and stop. That's what they can. But there wasn't 470 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,960 that many of them around back then, and there was 471 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,640 and then it was completely silent a go, just a 472 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,599 lot of starf I was going. 473 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,759 Speaker 2: To say, hear it if it was a helicopter, wouldn't you. 474 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:09,599 Speaker 3: So it's yeah, I don't think there were so many 475 00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:13,319 things that you know, there's even many areaplas far about 476 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,960 back then. Because the people who used to go over 477 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,240 ultimate did they back in the late fifties to the. 478 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,559 Speaker 2: Did that did that spark an interest in UFOs or 479 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:25,720 was it just all right okay? 480 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 3: Or yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it 481 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:32,799 started sparking interest. I do remember when I had that 482 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:39,119 Orange UFO incident, I did start really believe I'll just 483 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,079 start look seeking out like UFO books and things like that. 484 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,680 And the thing that really set me off was, remember 485 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:49,839 there was a book called Cherish of the Gods by 486 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,640 Eric Bndanakan back then about nineteen sixty six, I think 487 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,359 it was. They actually was printed out the old Sunday newspapers. 488 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,319 I think it was another sound of Sunny Mirror or whatever. 489 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:04,880 But they were doing the installments of it every week 490 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,440 because the book would come out. And I eventually got 491 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,599 the book and ready it just blew me away, and 492 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,519 it actually sort of I think that opened my mind too. 493 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,119 There's a lot more to our history which we've probably 494 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,880 not been taught than it's actually you know, it's what 495 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,359 we're all taught. You know, I don't think a lot 496 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,319 of the history we're really taught is true anyway. 497 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: It's one version, isn't It's one version of events, and 498 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:39,200 it's and it's always with we're in a we live 499 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,880 in a society where what we're taught is kind of 500 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,079 very structured for a purpose about going to. 501 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: Because the other day about the education system, I was 502 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,519 just like, it's it it's odd that we have to 503 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,519 learn specific things. And it's like I said, really, from 504 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,680 an educational point of view, if you're you're a socialist, 505 00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:04,960 like a socialist country, all you need to do is 506 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,680 ensure that everyone could read, write, do arithmetic, and think 507 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,480 for themselves, as in, if they don't know something, learn 508 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,599 how to learn. So it's like, why is our curriculum 509 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,519 so specific? You know, because once you've got past your 510 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,279 fundamental principles of everything, it's sort of like everything's just 511 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,000 information basically, And and like you say, they seem to 512 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:29,519 have this specific I just find it a bit odd. 513 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,359 They want everybody to be educated, but only in a 514 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,599 specific curriculum, but they miss out fundamental principles in education. 515 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:40,440 So I just find it just something I've been a 516 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:46,960 thought experiment, just recently, but. 517 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,119 Speaker 3: Always struck me. You just look at the history of America. 518 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,960 We discovered America, did people live in there? What mean 519 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,920 is we invaded America, so we I mean talking about 520 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,200 that the people are from Europe, that all went over there. 521 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:06,359 And then really the history that you learn a bit 522 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:10,599 of America is actually the history after all the Indians 523 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,640 have been destroyed destroyed and killed and everything. That's really 524 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,759 where the history of America begins. A lot of the time, 525 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,079 I don't really tell you that the history before that 526 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,039 you know of struck me quite seriously really, to be honest. 527 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: Because there was a lot more. The population of America 528 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:33,279 was a lot bigger than you led to believe. Like 529 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,759 you say, from what you're taught, it's like that it 530 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,359 before it got invaded. But yeah, they're sort of like 531 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,960 the because I was reading about the Southern death Cult 532 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:46,920 a little while back in the mounds and everything, or 533 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,200 the burial mounds that they've got out there, and they 534 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,559 were actually saying that it was actually it's largely quite 535 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:58,240 a lot of population there before caught before all the 536 00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:02,559 diseases and things. And like you say, of the I 537 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,160 don't know what the weird is for it, not immigration. 538 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:13,519 I suppose, well it is an immigration. But like I said, anyone. 539 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: When you look at him, and there's quite a lot 540 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,960 of There was a lot of tribes of different different Indians. 541 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,480 There were people living in the indigenous situation, people living there. Yeah, 542 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,640 they were, they were living there. You didn't discover America too. 543 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:27,759 We actually wherever invaded it. 544 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 2: It wasn't as fastly populated as as everyone makes out. 545 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:34,559 It's because that's the thing I took away from it. 546 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,880 It was actually that there was There was a lot 547 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,400 more people there then you're led to believe. He sort 548 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,519 of led to believe that it's a big empty country 549 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:46,039 with nothing in it and you know people, you know, 550 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,440 dotted around. But actually there was there was a lot 551 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,279 of population. So yeah, it's like you said, it's quite 552 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,319 curious when you start learning different facts, like with the Vikings. 553 00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:58,559 I was reading about the Vikings not long ago, and 554 00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,759 I was like, BlimE me, they got all over the place. 555 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,319 And it's like, although we know they used to get 556 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:06,519 all over the place, their influence on cultures is actually 557 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:10,640 a lot more significant than we're taught. You know, you 558 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,480 know the travel that they do, and you know, it 559 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,240 was it was quite It was quite curious. Actually it 560 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,480 was quite ironing. You know. 561 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,599 Speaker 3: I think they're quite convinced that that the Vikings actually 562 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,799 got to the US as well. 563 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: I believe they did. It was a colony. They don't 564 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,000 know why they didn't settle there. They I think the 565 00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,960 colony that they either found or theorized wasn't there for 566 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,200 very long and they did. They weren't sure why that 567 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,480 they didn't get on very well in America. But yeah, 568 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,079 it's I could put I can believe it because it's 569 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,759 like they we're led to believe that like the medieval 570 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,200 and before, people were really backwards, they didn't go anywhere, 571 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,759 but actually there was quite a lot of traveling in 572 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440 certain sections of the society. So it's like, you know, 573 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,799 although it took them a lot longer to travel around, 574 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,720 there were people that were really well traveled, and you 575 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:11,079 know it, and it's quite a mind sort of when 576 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,640 you start to think, wait a minute, it's like even 577 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,119 like with King Alfred and that, it's like he marched 578 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,720 up to the top of England, marched back down again, 579 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,240 then six months later marched all the way back up again. 580 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:30,599 And they were always like the army. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 581 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,039 because I was just like, mimy. I mean, to be fair, 582 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,640 the concept of an army back then was like thirty 583 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,079 to sixty people. But even so to actually go, right, 584 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,920 we're down south, we're going to go and invade the Midlands, 585 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,799 It'll take us three months, let's start walking. But they 586 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920 just they just did. They were just constantly marching around 587 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,559 the country. It seemed it was just much. 588 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 3: Whether they're actually teaching in schools now that the Vikings 589 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440 were probably the first to end in the US, I 590 00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,160 don't know, but. 591 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,279 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't I'm not sure because I 592 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,319 don't know if there's archaeological evidence. It was a BBC 593 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,400 book that I was reading, so but but yeah, they 594 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,920 were talking about the Vikings had landed in Greenland Iceland 595 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,240 and was in Greenland, and they've got how far north 596 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:21,440 they've got and then how far across it they've got, 597 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,720 And I didn't realize, like, you know, how, I know, 598 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,000 we've got a lot of Viking history in the UK, 599 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:31,200 but I didn't realize how significant the Vikings were to 600 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:43,079 the UK and and everything the knowledge because of obviously 601 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,160 they kept raiding all the monasteries and everything and all 602 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880 the knowledge. But yeah, it was just like, you know, 603 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,440 it was nuts and they've just come along for six 604 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,720 months and then go back home for six months to 605 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,880 get in the harvest and then go back out again. 606 00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:59,680 And they just doing a three months, six months tour 607 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,319 the world as far as they could sail, and it's 608 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,119 just like, yeah, it's just like it's not like you say, 609 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,559 when you start thinking about things like that. You say, well, 610 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,119 maybe they weren't as backward as we're taught in a way. 611 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,599 You know, just because we don't have technology doesn't mean 612 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,760 they weren't aware of things in a weird kind of way. 613 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: But yeah, school, And I mean I wasn't very good 614 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,960 at school. I wasn't really interested in school. But but 615 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:29,639 one thing I was good. I was good at reading 616 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,840 and I was good at writing. And I think that's 617 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,920 really the main fundamental things you need to learn, you know, 618 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,440 if you could if you can read, then you can 619 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,199 write when you leave school, and you at least proficient edit. 620 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,760 That's really you need because I think I've learned most 621 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,239 of the stuff since I school. 622 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 2: Ye, they just like I forgot all my schooling as 623 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,639 soon as I left and started. 624 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 3: Teacher is pretty pretty useless anyway. 625 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the point. Is like, if you're you're 626 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,480 learning a specific curriculum not interested in it, it's like 627 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:03,719 you're sort of thinking, well, you know that all the 628 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,079 information's there if you're interested in it. It's like, why 629 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,440 do we have to learn these specific things? And it's 630 00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,039 it's like you say, I mean, my my, all I 631 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,239 remember from school in terms of history was World War Two. 632 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,480 We just did World War Two over and over and 633 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,280 over again. And then as I've gotten older and started 634 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,039 you know, like with the paranormal, you get interested in history. 635 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,159 You're visiting old buildings and old places, and then you think, 636 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,039 wait a minute, there's all this other history, all these 637 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,559 other things that were going and it's likely, you know, 638 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,880 it's like how. 639 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 3: You know the World War as well, you probably only 640 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,960 get the history of what they wanted you to know 641 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,000 as well. There's a lot of things that if you 642 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,199 really go deeper into it, you didn't get the true 643 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,039 stories anyway. Half the time. 644 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: You know, it's quite I don't like thinking about it 645 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,239 too often because, like you say, you go all conspiracy 646 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,400 theory if you're not carrying just getting curious about it, 647 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,920 because like my friend was saying that because her daughter 648 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,360 was having panic attacks, she pulled her out school for 649 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,000 a few days and got into trouble for it, And 650 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,519 I was like, wait a minute, she's a teacher, so 651 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,280 theoretically she could teach her daughter at home, So why 652 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,199 do they have to go to school to learn these 653 00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:20,639 specific keystone information? Yeah, it just got me thinking, it's like, hey, 654 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:23,000 that's how you end it has a big conspiracy theory. 655 00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:25,599 So the problem is like when you start thinking about it, 656 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,639 but I was just like, why do we need to 657 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,960 know the things that we need to know? When really, 658 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,599 like you say, as long as you can read, write 659 00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:37,119 and add up it sort of can learn anything else 660 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:37,760 you want to. 661 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,159 Speaker 3: I'm comma grateful of David Dick. I've been for about 662 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,519 ten years now. I mean I've got into him quite late. Actually, Yeah, 663 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,199 when you're start reading it, I don't know if anyone's 664 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:49,639 really David dark books. So if you're listening out there, 665 00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:54,320 and also your two young ladies, I would really advise 666 00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:56,920 people to read some of these books because you'll realize 667 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,679 how much how many liars you've been told over the 668 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,599 years about history and how things have come about. And 669 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,000 I mean, David, it's an amazing I mean I actually 670 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,880 went to see him in London. I wanted to find 671 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,880 out what it was all about, really, and he did 672 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:18,480 a twelve hour talk believe it or not, twelve hours, 673 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,000 but he wasn't speaking for that whole twelve hours. I 674 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:23,840 would say it was probably talking for about ten and 675 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,800 a half hours of it. Yeah, because they had a 676 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920 couple of little breaks in between but these presentations that 677 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,320 he did, he gave were absolutely amazing. He just blew 678 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,320 me away. And I thought, this bloke is not a 679 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,960 nut case. You know, he knows exactly what he's talking about. 680 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,960 He's not afraid to say it. And yeah, and I 681 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,760 followed him ever since, and I mean, I've been reading 682 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,000 these books and they just blow me away every time. 683 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,199 And you have to ask yourself this big question, why 684 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,400 does nobody ever try to take him to court? Because 685 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,199 he actually names people in these books about what they've done, 686 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,400 what they've been up to, you know, and nobody ever 687 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,440 takes it the court over it. 688 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 2: Often wondered that because you know, you hear stories of 689 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,480 conspiracy theorists about them getting threatened and this, that and 690 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,920 the other, and it's like and yet he's been trundling 691 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,559 along like like you say, decades, and no one he 692 00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:14,599 never seems to you. 693 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 3: Know, he mentioned that people that people that are still alive. 694 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:22,760 He's been calling them out as pedophiles, all sorts of things, 695 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,119 you know. Uh, And their answer to it is is 696 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,920 nuts is just that case. But of course what they 697 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,559 should be doing is taking the record over it. And 698 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,119 of course they didn't have to come out and call 699 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,199 them wander the whole the whole case for they have 700 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,360 to come out so. 701 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:43,119 Speaker 2: Anybody else will be straight in with slander and all. 702 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:47,159 Speaker 3: Sorts of what what what do people do with the weapons? Now? 703 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,280 In this in this world, we're in what they doing? 704 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,119 They just shut you up, They take away your YouTube, 705 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,039 they take away your your Facebook page, or they just 706 00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:58,440 shut you up in other ways. 707 00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:59,199 Speaker 1: You know. 708 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 3: So which is a basically your communism, isn't it? 709 00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think probably because he was around a 710 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,920 lot longer than that, his roots probably run a little 711 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,679 bit deeper. So just sort of deplatforming him now, I 712 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:14,719 mean even like, you know, the average everyday person's heard 713 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,360 of him, so it's probably a bit harder for them 714 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,639 to shut him down anyway because he is so no worrioors. Yeah, 715 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,800 it's it's curious. I've never actually read one of his books, 716 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,840 seem some of his interviews and things, and obviously I'm aware. 717 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,079 Speaker 3: Of his favorite also all the books I've got all 718 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,559 around me here. These books are always just blow your way, 719 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,480 fantastic to read, really good read and easy to read too. 720 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a start to one that he's 721 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,119 done that you could start with, or do you just 722 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,440 start at the beginning, or can you start anywhere on it? 723 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,599 Speaker 3: He started going backwards his latest book, and I'm working 724 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:51,239 backwards through. 725 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, so any of them are still pretty relevant. 726 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 3: And I would say you could pick up any them 727 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,239 up really and and they don't sort of read from 728 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,320 one to another. You know they'll they'll if they reference 729 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,000 back on some of the other ones. He will say, 730 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,599 like he said so and so, and he will say 731 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,079 in one book, you say, he went into much more detail, 732 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,960 the detail into a previous book. You know that you 733 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,320 will mention and then you have to go and get 734 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,800 that book, I suppose. But I would advise anyone to 735 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,480 read any of his books. I mean, I've never I 736 00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:27,599 want to read the whole lot before while I'm on 737 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:28,119 this planet. 738 00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:31,679 Speaker 2: I was going to say, is his nearest his nearest 739 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:32,920 one called the Matrix? 740 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 3: The latest one? What was the latest one called to them? 741 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:43,920 I've actually listened to an audio version of it at 742 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,199 the moment. That one was called the three, and one 743 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,000 was called the Trap, and the latest one in that 744 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,840 section is called I can't remember what it's called. Yeah, 745 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,440 it's only just come out. It's only just come out, actually, yeah, 746 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,400 come out, and said first of September. No, I think 747 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,239 it's due out of the first of September, but it 748 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,599 is actually it is actually out of aut you can't 749 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:08,440 get it there already. 750 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Trap I was thinking of. I knew 751 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,800 it was a short. 752 00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 3: Word, the Dream. If you're going to start reading the 753 00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,760 David book, start on the Dream and then then read 754 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,519 the Trap. Yeah, in the latest one, because that is 755 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,880 a group of three to go together. Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. 756 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,079 Speaker 2: Good. I'll have to do it just for posterity, you know, 757 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:34,559 because you can't be in this field without having read 758 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:36,159 at least one David can. 759 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I think people because of their what they're 760 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,920 told or by the mainstream media that he thinks she's 761 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,679 gone and all that sort of stuff, it's all they 762 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,400 take it completely out of context, you know. It's what 763 00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:54,199 he actually says is we're all one, basically and everything. 764 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:57,039 If you go down a lot of the holographic universe, 765 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,760 it takes a lot to get you head around that, 766 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,840 but a lot of that actually starts to make sense. 767 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,079 But then he puts it together and makes you understand 768 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,760 what he's talking about, and a lot of it does 769 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,159 actually make sense, you know, And it's not what you've 770 00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:14,400 got to remember. Also, it's not only his research. He 771 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:17,519 reads lots of other people's research. It does his own 772 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,159 on that and comes tries to answer it in a 773 00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:24,920 different way. But he will actually reference their research with 774 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,039 his own, you know, and then come up with his 775 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:32,480 own answers to it. So absolutely fascinating, you know, old 776 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,519 a boys that he wanted to read David White books 777 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,199 and from a paranormal point of view too, because it 778 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,039 goes right into that as well. 779 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,559 Speaker 1: Hey, it sounds like a bit of a journey as well. 780 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:50,960 It sounds like an interesting perfect Okay, we can recommend those. 781 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,960 We'll share, share some of the links to the books 782 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,400 onto our black page and onto our private groupe. 783 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,079 Speaker 3: The latest one's called I've actually got my paper version yet, 784 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,519 I've got the audio version which i'm listening to, but 785 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,039 I'm getting one in September. I'll be going to see 786 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:11,400 him in a couple of weeks actually in October. 787 00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, where are you're going to go see him? 788 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 3: In Norwich? 789 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:17,079 Speaker 1: Oh? No, it's nice. 790 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 3: The thing is I've actually been lucky enough to actually 791 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,679 talk to David as well myself face to face, So 792 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,480 he's such a nice blog, and you know, it's really 793 00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:29,639 really a nice bloke and he's not in that case 794 00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:33,119 at all. It's really it's really quite normal. But but 795 00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,159 it's because it's so down to earth. He's no ego 796 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,559 or anything at all with him. 797 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: You know, do you reckon you'd be able to book 798 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,719 him for the Essex Paranormal. Yeah. 799 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,760 Speaker 3: The friendly thing is I've been asked set and I 800 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,320 said I could ask him, but not now I think 801 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,400 he's I mean, you can full up now got a 802 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,079 whole Now. 803 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: Okay, that's really interesting. I definitely share of the links 804 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,719 and stuff on the page, and yeah, it would be 805 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,800 great to hear what other people think about some of 806 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,440 his theories and some of the things he says. So 807 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:13,679 we're coming towards the end of our show, so what 808 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,199 I'd like to know It spends a bit of time 809 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,440 kind of knowing what you've got coming up next? What 810 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,599 can people look out for? Are you going to be 811 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:22,960 doing any guest speaking? Have you got anything coming up 812 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,920 for any events? 813 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 3: I've got a couple of other shows that I've been 814 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,119 invited to go on to, But I mean, I think 815 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,000 I'd like to end up a little bit of talking 816 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,039 about my show and I'd like to sort of like 817 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:38,119 thank Irene for actually giving me the show in the 818 00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,000 first place and give me the support and everything, and 819 00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:43,400 Mark for putting the shows out and everything. I think 820 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,960 still give us some support over the years. And I 821 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,559 don't think I'll ever be back now because I think 822 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,400 I've sort of gone beyond it now. I'm not actually 823 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,800 I'm not actually missing doing the shows unfortunately in some ways. 824 00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:02,760 Is this just the way I feel about it. But yeah, 825 00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:06,159 I'm glad I did them. I mean, I started out 826 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,079 doing the shows because I when I never thought I 827 00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:12,000 would never do shows. Basically, when I first started doing 828 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,920 the shows, I started doing them because I'd appeared on 829 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,239 a few other shows because I've done We've done an 830 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,440 investigation into somebody, and I started getting invited onto shows 831 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,519 to talk about that, and then I was suddenly asked 832 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:26,239 but I liked my own show, and I thought, I'll 833 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,000 never I've never actually even thought about it. And this 834 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,480 was on another network when Irene heard about it. I 835 00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,719 know Irene just or or on off. She said, oh, 836 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,079 if you want to show, I'll keep you a show 837 00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:39,639 on here. And I thought, well, okay, well I told 838 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:42,760 you have the network. I wasn't interested that I've been 839 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,199 offered this sort of on the Paranormal you Go radio network, 840 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,559 and it kind of went from there really, but I'd 841 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,280 never Yeah, if anyone had said I was going to 842 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,039 be doing a radio show sort of like seven years ago, 843 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:56,480 I would have said down. 844 00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 2: But I have to make with that sentiment because I 845 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,119 thought i'd be doing something like this. 846 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 3: And like you said, I think a lot of this 847 00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,960 is actually kind of pre planned, predestined, because it's brought 848 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,400 a lot of us to get people together, to know 849 00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:18,679 people within the paranormal. I've met an awful that I've 850 00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,000 made an awful lot of friends through the paranormal and 851 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,239 through guests that I've had on the show, made a 852 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:31,119 few enemies as well. Story, but you know, on on 853 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,119 on the whole, it's been a fantastic journey. And I 854 00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,559 started out for my own knowledge. I thought this would 855 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,760 be a great knowledge base for me to actually get 856 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,519 to the point where I could actually invite well known 857 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,159 people onto the show and have a good chat with them. 858 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,159 And I'm lucky as I so I'm lucky enough to 859 00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:53,119 make good friends out of a few of them. And yeah, 860 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:56,400 I should always be it's onally grateful for that opportunity. 861 00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:56,679 Speaker 2: You know. 862 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 3: It's it's just one of those things. But I just thought, 863 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,519 I've actually my course on that now and I think 864 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,000 i'd like to leave it to other people. There's so 865 00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,079 many there's so many podcasts out there that mine was 866 00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:11,400 just one of them. I was told it was popular. 867 00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:15,719 It's just one of those things that everything comes to 868 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,840 an end, you know. 869 00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,039 Speaker 2: Came to a natural conclusion, because like you've got two one, 870 00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:26,199 two anyway, so you've got a nice balance to your shows. 871 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,559 And that said, if you're not missing it, it's just 872 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,760 it is a pretty much a good sign that you 873 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,320 have done what you needed to do with it. 874 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the same thing to say that, but I'm 875 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,400 really not missing it. You know, I've got there's other 876 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,039 things I'm thinking about now, things that I want to 877 00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,039 do the time. You know. It's just one of those 878 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:48,400 things that I think, you know, when it's time to stop. 879 00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:51,880 You know. It's just one of those things, you know. 880 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,800 And I've never had any type of an ego. I mean, 881 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,559 any early days, I was told, oh, you're doing it 882 00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:58,639 because you've got an ego, and I won't do that 883 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,920 for I'm on doing it because it's something I want 884 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,000 to I'm actually enjoying talking to people about things, you know, 885 00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,159 and I'm learning from them, you know exactly. 886 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can always take things away. You can 887 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,760 always take away things. Yeah, it's interesting because if it 888 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,880 gets you thinking as well, it's sort of like, you know, 889 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,639 you're experiencing you don't normally you wouldn't normally, so. 890 00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: And it sounds like your journey is taking a different 891 00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:29,440 way now. So you're still working with those guests, You're 892 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,480 still having those conversations. It's just being facilitated in a personal, 893 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,360 face to face kind. 894 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 3: Of people that I do meet on occasion as friends. Yeah, 895 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,760 it's good, it's good for me. 896 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,519 Speaker 1: Yes, it's definitely watched the space. So it also it'd 897 00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:49,760 be grateful to get you out on you and your 898 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,280 partner out on an investigation. I know that seventh Sanctum. 899 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,039 We've got a couple coming up in the next couple 900 00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,719 of months and one of them is an outdoor event, 901 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,239 which is absolutely perfect for this weather. Whilst we've got 902 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,400 the most of it, I absolutely detest the sun, so 903 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,599 evening times is the best time I thrive. 904 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 3: We love it. 905 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,760 Speaker 1: The ginger and me cries absolutely tears but yeah, we're 906 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:21,519 currently looking at possibly doing miss Ley with links to 907 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,360 the witch Finder General. But there's lots of. 908 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,599 Speaker 3: Absolutely think we're supposed to be going on a picnic 909 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:35,360 this weekend with the UFO group in South Ends on 910 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:41,199 Sunday's a picnic. I think it's the park in the 911 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:41,840 South End. 912 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 2: Anyway, Oh lovely. 913 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,039 Speaker 3: Depends on the weather, but I think it's supposed to 914 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:47,639 be a good weekend. 915 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,559 Speaker 1: Are you going to be doing any UFO spot in 916 00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:51,280 or is it just. 917 00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,119 Speaker 3: I think it's really just a social thing on Sunday afternoon. 918 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,519 Just sort of get because when you go to these events, 919 00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:01,119 I mean really go to an evening, you don't really 920 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:03,440 get a chance to talk to people. You're actually there 921 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,000 to listen to the to the speaker and then maybe 922 00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:07,639 you might get five minutes to have a quick chat 923 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,800 with somebody while having a cup of coffee, But you 924 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,639 don't really get a chance to sit and talk from 925 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,960 an hour or so, do you you know? I think 926 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,199 that's kind of what it's all about. 927 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: That amazing. I hope you will have a great time, 928 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,599 but we'll say thank you for joining us this evening. 929 00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,199 I don't know whether you want to where we can 930 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,199 find you if anyone would like to get in touch 931 00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:30,519 with you for you to become a guest. 932 00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 3: If anyone, if anyone wants to content me, I'll give 933 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,880 you my email address. It's David Young to q in 934 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,440 it's too queue in with it in and not the 935 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,519 normal or weather is at Yahoo dot co dot uk. 936 00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:50,039 If anyone wants to email me, and it's always used 937 00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,320 to give it out on the show anyway, So anyone 938 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,760 wants to email me for any reason to insult me 939 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:56,000 or with. 940 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. I look forward to seeing 941 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,280 what you've got coming up and hopefully meet yous all 942 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,880 on the investigations as well. 943 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 3: Actually we'll see you in the investigation at some point. 944 00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:12,039 Speaker 1: Yes, that is. 945 00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 2: Eventually I might make it down stuff or you might 946 00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:19,920 or say might make. 947 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,280 Speaker 1: It not. 948 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,920 Speaker 3: If you visit gives a show. 949 00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:32,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to make that happen. Okay, Well, thank 950 00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:34,599 you so much, thank you so much for joining us, 951 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,519 and thank you to everyone that has listened, and we 952 00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:51,199 look forward to see you next time. Bye.