Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. I am Kerrie Anne, and you are
listening to Seventh Sanctum. Thank you very much for joining us,
and tonight it's normal. I'm joined with Natalie. Hello Natalie.
Speaker 2: I hope you all right.
Speaker 1: I'm good, Thank you. I I've not heard that. Oh
that reminds me. I've got through my dad and the
long time since I've heard that.
Speaker 2: Gage showing there isn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or your northern side.
Speaker 2: Coming through the Midlands, Northern side straight off? Why don't you.
Speaker 1: It's just just peak. That's all I had to I
had to, yeah, acknowledge it. Tonight we'll be enjoying this
evening with David Young. We have featured on David Young's
podcast before, but tonight we're welcome David to our show. Welcome, David,
how are you?
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for inviting me. It's a pleasure
to join you. And you were one of my last
guests before I sort of left the network.
Speaker 1: Yes, we were.
Speaker 3: It's nice to actually come back to the network for
this short visit. Maybe I could explain why I sort
of packed my job. I'm not the job while showing,
I mean, you hear all sorts of rumors that I
was falling out and how there was nothing like that.
It's just it was just it was just me. I
just decided kind of exhausted myself on it, and I
just thought, I think enough enough, really, and I've had
a few sort of messages coming through from people and
listened to the show saying they're sort of sorry I've
gone and all that sort of stuff. But you know,
I just thought the time would come. Really. I've had
a few guests lined up already for sort of later
in the year, but I just sort of contact her.
I said, I'm going to have to cancel these. I
just sort of just I've kind of put myself out
of it. If you see what I mean, you might
you might realize what I mean about five years time.
Speaker 2: You had episodes later, Yeah, yeah, two hundred and twelve
shows I did.
Speaker 3: So I did that to have a break sort of
a you know, probably a year and a half ago
I was going to stop doing them. On this occasion,
I decided I was going to kind of get to
a point where I've done maybe two hundred and twenty five.
I was thinking two hundred and fifteen. I thought, if
I go to two hundred and fifty I'm going to
go into another year again. So I just and then
it just came to a point. I got to twelve,
I don't really had shows planned, and I just thought,
I just can't do it anymore. I've got too many
other things I want to do, and ye know, sorry,
other podcast and I never got a chance to listen
to other people's podcasts because I do my own and
doing all around mixing and all that sort of stuff,
lying guests up and taking notes, and you know, I
felt was missing I personally was missing out on listening
to other people's shows, such as your own Prisons. You know.
Plus I've I'm also the admin now or the Essex
UFO and Paranormal group, so I've been sort of lining
up guests for that. I mean, luckily for people that
I've actually had on my show. So I was lucky
to sort of get a few guests at the We've
actually got a whole year's worth of guests at the moment, so,
which is pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's more organized than we really are.
Speaker 3: We were like when I lined up guest, I was
trying to get like I was like six months ahead
from our show, the big show with the Paranormal Paranormal
Dimensions on the Paranormal uk diit, which is your work.
You know, as I said, I've had help people sort
of saying, oh, I'm sorry, I'll sort of stop doing it.
I said, well, I'm just it's just one of those things.
I've just got to do it. Just you know, sometimes
you have to put yourself first, you know.
Speaker 2: It's you know, yeah, it's nice that people are saying
that they miss you. There at least it means you
weren't talking into the ether.
Speaker 3: The network sort of contact with me, and I was
offering vast amounts of money. Just don't know, they weren't
really really I wish they were. I just I just
felt that Son was like a sort of really concentrated
other things. Really, It's like I was just talking to
you off offline about the SEPE sepe officer or investigation officer.
Now SEPPI means supernatural, extraterrestrial and parallel with the investigations.
I'm hoping to sort of take that further as well,
which one to enlist a few people new carry may
well be there in that in that group as well. Soon.
Speaker 2: Yes, what he's sappy then, for those of us that
don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's it's it's say it's starting off as
a local group as a as a local police officer
who obviously in Essex I won't I won't give out
any names or anything moment, but he's actually started a
group called SEPPI, which but again that's a supernatural estut
festuval and paranormal investigations. Uh. The intention is to actually
do investigations and try to get to the bottom of things,
you know, not to actually proof poohm as such, but
to actually find out if they're true or or false,
you know, do a proper investigation. Like because he's a
police officer, he's going to try and do it the
way the police would do an investigation. That doesn't mean
to arrest anybody who's or that it's something like that,
just to carry out that, you know, to investigate the
way the police would do it. You know, there's no
sort of chucking b jail the line or something at
the end of it. It's just say we won't take
it any further, and that's that, you know. But but
to use the values and the methods used in policing.
That's kind of where it's saying in to go we've
already got well, I'll say, I say, we U. There
is actually a database set up already for SEPPY which
US officers have access to where we can put cases
on and sort of carry them through, or say the
cases and you know he's finished, or add to it,
or put new cases on that we want to sort
of carry out. The public can get access to the
results of a lot of those investigations on the SEPPI page.
I might better find a website for it at the
end of the as we go along, but you can
actually get if you look for SEPPI investigation, you'll probably
find a lot of it anyway if you sort of
google it. But really it's a new thing, so it's
kind of I think the idea is that it's going
to be trying to link all the investigation things that
it's actually sort of about worldwide thing, trying to get
things linked up. Whether it actually get that far, I
don't know. It's very As I said, it's early days
at the moment, and we find just X based at
the moment, so.
Speaker 2: That's sort of looking like a paranormal move on basically, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, move on, you for yous and it So whether
it could actually get as big as move On, because
I mean, I think the idea is to actually ask
people that you know, groups like move On to actually
amalgamate with Sipping type of thing. You know. Whether that
is actually happened, I don't know, but I think that's
the aim.
Speaker 1: And there's lots of opportunities there as well for people
that are listening that might find and that this is
an ethos that kind of resonates with them in terms
of their research and how they would like to approach.
There's training as well that's kind of goes alongside that.
There's lots of opportunities for people or individuals and teams
that would like to come if they want to. But
there is a guidance on kind of doing a little
bit of reading around some of the faults and hypothesis
that Seppi has as well, just to make sure that
that does align with you, so that that's on their website,
isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, a lot. We have to take a lot
of security appearance and all that as well for the investigations.
So of course we're going to be visiting people's houses.
We've actually got a security appearance with our car and
all sorts of things.
Speaker 1: Quite literally, which is amazing. Okay, so you've spoke a
little bit about the work you're doing with SEPE, so
this is something really new and it's developing and you're
kind of been at the grassroots with that. But you're
also mentioned the Essex UFO and Paranormal group. They're based
in Westcliffe, isn't it? With as Seventh Sanctum. We've did
a little bit of work with David Hobbs and so,
who are wonderful people, but they have when you talk
about booking guests, these are guest speakers that you can
come and visit in person, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's once a meeting, once a month meeting.
It's on the first Frida year every month. Because I've
actually I've actually joined the admin there. I've actually lined
up all next year's guests already for them. So whether
they're I mean, as we get your cancelations and they
have to switch about and all that, But hopefully that
won't happen because we've had a few apparently I've had
a few cock ups in them in the past, and
you know, like people's books and then find out I
would have forgotten to bring them and or anyway, but
I trying to avoid all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can see how that can be problematic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that's interesting. We early ones that sort
of in the Essex area. You're always welcome to come along. Off.
It's usually for the guests, depending on who the guests
are and what their expenses are, it's usually about five
quid on the door, or with the more expensive ones,
it's sort of like thinkquid because sometimes I guess that's
a couple of wye to cover expenses. But it's usually
a very interesting guest. You know, we've got some topnotch
names coming. There's a few topnotch names coming next to you.
Speaker 1: So exciting. So what does it? What does that mean
for you? What are you in terms of your paranormal investigations?
And I know that you do you have links to
and I know we spoke about it. I spoke about
it loosely and I threw Natalie straight under that bus.
But with view athology and things like that, what what's that?
What's that looking like for you in the next year?
Speaker 3: Myself? I don't know, to be honest, I'll actually get
a cut back on going to conference. Is I've actually
said I promised my wife. I'm going to cut back
because I've been spending so much money on hotels and
weekends away and stuff like that. I said, I'm going
to cut back on that and try and concentrate more
on local stuff, more local investigations and stuff like that.
We we've got a weekend coming up with the Paranormal
Physical Festivals explained. Festival explain coming up in September, in
the nineteenth September.
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty first.
Speaker 3: Well it's nineteenth twenty first. I think it is. Okay,
Well I'm looking at month pig. Yeah, it's don't worry.
It starts on a Thursday, ends on a Sunday anyway.
But yeah, that that's we're looking forward to that. That's
the whole weekend and the lot Giermal wife will actually
be coming for that one. We'll be staying in the
hotel at Bosworth Fall everything. If anyone's who have Lot
the Holes of files on, We've got Dave Schweder, yes,
Cyndy Casor and anyway, and also several other guests that
are coming, you know, some returning guests. People like a
Neil story and that is a regular So yes, it's
gonna be a fantastic weekend.
Speaker 1: That sounds really exciting. That's one thing on my bucket
list for the next year or so is I haven't
been to enough conventions in fact, that that weekend I'm
actually going to a true crime it's a crime convention,
but it's all psychology, genealogy, DNA, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I've seen something about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it falls on the same weekend, but hopefully
next year. It sounds really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to get a VRP ticket, they
called it a v IP ticket because it's you get
included everything. Reason not a lot. We're in very important people,
but they're not cheap. But they will worth having because
you're getting you know, you go out on the day
trip and all that, and you've got the private evenings
and all that and the meals and everything else. But
they do go quickly. Yes, so as soon as they
get announced, I'll usually say right, couple. But the good
thing is she could actually pay by by installments as well.
He's have to pay the whole amount up, so he's
sort of paid deposit and he can sort of pay
it up by a certain date which is sort of
almost a year away. Which is pretty good.
Speaker 2: Is your wife interested in a similar subject or is
she just being dragged along?
Speaker 3: No, she's I mean, my wi, she's actually very interesting.
She's not as committed to it as me. I'll tell
you a little story about you. Actually says before I
knew her, way before I knew her, she she's got
she's got asper quite bad thing. You know. She's controlled
obviously with her pump pumps and all that you have.
But way before I knew her, she actually died three
times on the way to hospital. And she actually had
the near deaf or the near death experience or the
died experience where she saw the light and that she
and she was given her and she was actually offered
a choice as to her come back or not. And
she remembers all of that, which is actually quite interesting,
you know, because and actually the ambulance drivers that took
her to hospital, so she died twice on the way
to hospital, or I think it was, I think it
was twice on the way to hospital, but they actually
came to visit her in hospital to see if she
was okay. Oh yeah, And I actually said that she'd
actually died in the in the ambulance and they brought
her back sort of thing. But she had this vision
of a lot of seeing the light and everything and
and actually being given that choice to come back or not.
So that's quite an interesting factor.
Speaker 2: She were they like, this is going to be a
future husband, and she was like, oh gosh.
Speaker 3: That's another There's another very funny thing about that. She's
actually told me that even as a child, as she
was learning to talk, she kept having the name David.
She's always using the name. She used to call her
dolls David and all that sort of stuff, and she
even named her first son David as well. But so
whether I was actually in the picture to her to
later to come back to you to you know, maybe
I was the one that she was supposed to come
back to, I don't know. We sort of met in
later years and we kind of both saved each other. Really.
I was in a bed bad marriage, if you like
to call it that, and I was on the on
the edge basically, and we kind of both saved each other,
you know. But everything's great now, you thing, it's fine.
But yeah, and you.
Speaker 1: Traveled quite a lot to them. You recently went over
to America. So when you do those international kind of trips.
Do you take the paranormal with you or do you
investigate as a couple.
Speaker 3: Not as much to go, but I do actually try
to look up any thing that's sort of local, you know,
I'll do ask questions or if we go to somewhere historical,
for instance, ask about ghosts and all that. We're both
big Ilviistans pictures and stuff. We went to Memphis and
but also apart from Memphis, we went to Tupelo, and
then we did a bit more of a troop around Tennessee.
We ended up in the town called which is outside
of Nashville, called Franklin, which is a lot of Civil
War action took place there, and there's quite a few
ghost stories around Franklin actually, which were very interesting. We
visited two of the old Civil War homes, you know.
One one of them was all out in the barn.
We've actually got bullet holes. You have to look at
all the bullet holes and every picture taken through the
bullet holes. But yeah, there was a few ghost stories
around that which were quite interesting. But yeah, I mean
I didn't really get a chance to really sort of
I mean i'd have gone on ghost and all sorts
of things, but we weren't really there. For that reason,
we didn't see it. Goes to Belvis.
Speaker 2: Do you believe it's a ghost or not.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure he's out there somewhere, but he's not
actually out there alive.
Speaker 1: No, there was years ago. I used to be affiliated
with a paranormal team called Stranger and Fiction Paranormal based
in Arkansas, and they actually had the opportunity to investigate
the fault that Elvis Presley was based at when he
was serving in the Army, and there's meant to be
links there as well, but sightings of Elvis there when
they went. Yeah, it was really really interesting place.
Speaker 3: I suppose he must leave little bits of yourself everywhere
you're busy, probably, you know, like what they call it, like.
Speaker 1: Remnants, Yeah, like little.
Speaker 3: Memory is of yourself. I suppose that're in sort of
probably a lot of recording of yourself. Maybe. I think
that's where a lot of these ghost stories come from,
especially if you had some sort of traumatic thing that
happened somewhere, you know, and I think it was quite
traumatic for always been in the army. I don't think
you enjoyed it that much. Yeah, But well, one of
the things I mean, but I so you might not
tell know where I got interested in the paranormal. My
memories go right back to when I was a child, actually,
when I was actually standing in my cop one day,
and I can remember I must have only been maybe
fifteen months or something like that, maybe because I know
it was a cock because I had the side on it,
and I lived in London, so I lived in London
preparative in London. And I can remember standing in my
cot and I could see a purple mist comes swirling
into the room and swirling around the room and over
to me, and it came right up close to me
and scared the life out of me. Now I didn't
know what a ghost was when I was only a
young child. So this purple mistswelling around the room and
it came right up to him, scared the life out
of me. And I'm screaming. And if my father came
into a room, uh, and I'm saying I'm basically saying baby,
which I don't know if I was actually using words,
but I'm sort of pointing to this thing and say, God,
you see it. And he couldn't see this purple mist
that was swoolling around anyway, this my purple misswirlled around
and went back out that actually went back out the
door again. And I asked, I mentioned to my father
sort of I was in my teens about did he
remember that purple miss that I was talking about? Uh?
He said, you can remember it happening, But as I say,
he never saw it. But it must have been quite
a thing because I've always remembered it all these years later.
I'm still thinking of it. I can still, you know,
sort of picture it now. It wasn't a dream or
any think like that. I can only put it down
to some sort of a I mean, I lost I
never knew my grandfather, both my grandfather, so maybe it
was a grandfather coming to visit me as a baby.
I don't know. But also there was.
Speaker 2: Purple was an unusual color as well, isn't it fair?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can actually remember it was a deep purple.
But I've always wondered if that, if that purple did
mean something, why was it a purple mist? You know?
As to say, I've asked several sort of mediums and
that thing. If I know of any media meeting anything
what it means about that missed. But nobody's been able
to give me a really solid answer about it.
Speaker 2: Before now. But I've never seen a purple missed.
Speaker 3: But the fact is that I was a baby and
I didn't know what ghost for. I mean, why did
it scare me? Why did I just think I was
a purple mist about? You know, it actually terrified me.
And another thing that I often think about is that
the house we were living in, we we were living upstairs,
and the lady living downstairs that we were renting it
out from her. Now I know around about I can't
say it was exactly that time, but she did actually die,
So I'm wondering if maybe she was having a look
around the house, you know, when I was a baby,
and you know, you know, it's all conjecture. Just still
wondering about what what that purple miss was really? Why
come to me?
Speaker 2: You ever come across anybody else with purple, because it's
normally white or blue or or black, isn't it when
you see miss?
Speaker 3: I was just saying, I've always wondered what that purple
miss meant, not meant anything, it's just you know, it's
just it's just how I remember it. Maybe maybe it
was a blue a blue or something, but it was
it looked purple to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we when we do things around spirituals and mediums, esecially,
when they think a little bit about how spirit manifest
is or how we see colors, some people see auras
and stuff. Sometimes it's a really subjective experience. So it's
what purple means to you and what you would naturally
associate that color too. So whether it could be a
feeling emotion, or it could be a person, but typically
purple is a color of communication, is Yeah, So when
you think about the chakras and with the different colors
of the chakras, the chakra that's associated with divine communications
spirit communication is purple.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was somebody's just giving me a missing to say,
for me to for me to actually remember all my life,
which I've always remembered it, you know. Maybe it was
something to do with that, you know, and there's.
Speaker 1: No such things coincidences, So maybe that was your setting
you on your path to where you are now.
Speaker 3: That has been mentioned before. I mean, it's the same
was like UFOs. I mean, my main memory of a
UFO was back in about nineteen sixty seven. I see,
it was when I saw a big orange oval object
going across the night sky when I was coming home
from a girlfriends at the time. I was actually here
in Essex before I moved sort of to Suffolk, that
I came back to a six that was actually embattled
for you a lot, sort of about one o'clock in
the morning, a big oval or orange object going across
the color and it was all different shades of orange.
It wasn't sort of one solid shape, but it was
a shade. And it wasn't a bright light. It was
like an incandescent light of different shades of orange light.
Now like the lava looks. It was like like that
type of thing, like the old lava lamps, that type
of a light. But it was completely silent and I
was watching it for a good few minutes as it
was going across the sky and it was big, big
oval object. Now it was oval like that, but I
mean maybe it was round on its side, so and
I can't say how big it was how far away
it was, but it looked big to me. But I
had this I had this funny feeling coming over me
when I was looking at it, like a It wasn't
a fear. It was like a realization that they were real,
you know. That was what went through my mind. I
thought they're real, that actually exists, you know. And then
that then I had a memory that went back to
again to my childhood when I was living in London.
One evening, I was sitting on my steps and I
was watching us. I was actually, yeah, like the early
evening you could just about seeing the stars come out
at night, and I'm actually sitting there and I'm watching
this star move and stop and move and stop going downwards.
It was now I'm talking about nineteen fifty eight fifty nine,
so I'm a bit older than you, Sue, so but
and of course there were no such things as lot
of satellites and things really backed then. So what the
hell that was that was moving and stopping and moving
and stopping. I don't know. Maybe that was my first
U experience. I can't think what else it was. We
know stars don't do that, but of course at the
time I just still it was stars doing it, you know.
So so that's probably my first REFO experience, but without
realizing it.
Speaker 2: Seeing things back then in the sky that are unidentified
as probably more authentic than seeing things now because there
is so much in the sky. Now, it's a lot
harder to separate it all out. Back then, like you say,
a bigger you're singing the sky, you like, what.
Speaker 3: Like that? It just looked like stars, you know when
they have stars, like a star. But it was moving
and would and then stopping and then moving again and
then stopping. So I mean back then, I mean there
was nothing around that was that. It wasn't even helicopters
and things really they would do that. And I don't
think even helicopters can sort of moving and stop and
move and stop. That's what they can. But there wasn't
that many of them around back then, and there was
and then it was completely silent a go, just a
lot of starf I was going.
Speaker 2: To say, hear it if it was a helicopter, wouldn't you.
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, I don't think there were so many
things that you know, there's even many areaplas far about
back then. Because the people who used to go over
ultimate did they back in the late fifties to the.
Speaker 2: Did that did that spark an interest in UFOs or
was it just all right okay?
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it
started sparking interest. I do remember when I had that
Orange UFO incident, I did start really believe I'll just
start look seeking out like UFO books and things like that.
And the thing that really set me off was, remember
there was a book called Cherish of the Gods by
Eric Bndanakan back then about nineteen sixty six, I think
it was. They actually was printed out the old Sunday newspapers.
I think it was another sound of Sunny Mirror or whatever.
But they were doing the installments of it every week
because the book would come out. And I eventually got
the book and ready it just blew me away, and
it actually sort of I think that opened my mind too.
There's a lot more to our history which we've probably
not been taught than it's actually you know, it's what
we're all taught. You know, I don't think a lot
of the history we're really taught is true anyway.
Speaker 1: It's one version, isn't It's one version of events, and
it's and it's always with we're in a we live
in a society where what we're taught is kind of
very structured for a purpose about going to.
Speaker 2: Because the other day about the education system, I was
just like, it's it it's odd that we have to
learn specific things. And it's like I said, really, from
an educational point of view, if you're you're a socialist,
like a socialist country, all you need to do is
ensure that everyone could read, write, do arithmetic, and think
for themselves, as in, if they don't know something, learn
how to learn. So it's like, why is our curriculum
so specific? You know, because once you've got past your
fundamental principles of everything, it's sort of like everything's just
information basically, And and like you say, they seem to
have this specific I just find it a bit odd.
They want everybody to be educated, but only in a
specific curriculum, but they miss out fundamental principles in education.
So I just find it just something I've been a
thought experiment, just recently, but.
Speaker 3: Always struck me. You just look at the history of America.
We discovered America, did people live in there? What mean
is we invaded America, so we I mean talking about
that the people are from Europe, that all went over there.
And then really the history that you learn a bit
of America is actually the history after all the Indians
have been destroyed destroyed and killed and everything. That's really
where the history of America begins. A lot of the time,
I don't really tell you that the history before that
you know of struck me quite seriously really, to be honest.
Speaker 2: Because there was a lot more. The population of America
was a lot bigger than you led to believe. Like
you say, from what you're taught, it's like that it
before it got invaded. But yeah, they're sort of like
the because I was reading about the Southern death Cult
a little while back in the mounds and everything, or
the burial mounds that they've got out there, and they
were actually saying that it was actually it's largely quite
a lot of population there before caught before all the
diseases and things. And like you say, of the I
don't know what the weird is for it, not immigration.
I suppose, well it is an immigration. But like I said, anyone.
Speaker 3: When you look at him, and there's quite a lot
of There was a lot of tribes of different different Indians.
There were people living in the indigenous situation, people living there. Yeah,
they were, they were living there. You didn't discover America too.
We actually wherever invaded it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't as fastly populated as as everyone makes out.
It's because that's the thing I took away from it.
It was actually that there was There was a lot
more people there then you're led to believe. He sort
of led to believe that it's a big empty country
with nothing in it and you know people, you know,
dotted around. But actually there was there was a lot
of population. So yeah, it's like you said, it's quite
curious when you start learning different facts, like with the Vikings.
I was reading about the Vikings not long ago, and
I was like, BlimE me, they got all over the place.
And it's like, although we know they used to get
all over the place, their influence on cultures is actually
a lot more significant than we're taught. You know, you
know the travel that they do, and you know, it
was it was quite It was quite curious. Actually it
was quite ironing. You know.
Speaker 3: I think they're quite convinced that that the Vikings actually
got to the US as well.
Speaker 2: I believe they did. It was a colony. They don't
know why they didn't settle there. They I think the
colony that they either found or theorized wasn't there for
very long and they did. They weren't sure why that
they didn't get on very well in America. But yeah,
it's I could put I can believe it because it's
like they we're led to believe that like the medieval
and before, people were really backwards, they didn't go anywhere,
but actually there was quite a lot of traveling in
certain sections of the society. So it's like, you know,
although it took them a lot longer to travel around,
there were people that were really well traveled, and you
know it, and it's quite a mind sort of when
you start to think, wait a minute, it's like even
like with King Alfred and that, it's like he marched
up to the top of England, marched back down again,
then six months later marched all the way back up again.
And they were always like the army. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because I was just like, mimy. I mean, to be fair,
the concept of an army back then was like thirty
to sixty people. But even so to actually go, right,
we're down south, we're going to go and invade the Midlands,
It'll take us three months, let's start walking. But they
just they just did. They were just constantly marching around
the country. It seemed it was just much.
Speaker 3: Whether they're actually teaching in schools now that the Vikings
were probably the first to end in the US, I
don't know, but.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't I'm not sure because I
don't know if there's archaeological evidence. It was a BBC
book that I was reading, so but but yeah, they
were talking about the Vikings had landed in Greenland Iceland
and was in Greenland, and they've got how far north
they've got and then how far across it they've got,
And I didn't realize, like, you know, how, I know,
we've got a lot of Viking history in the UK,
but I didn't realize how significant the Vikings were to
the UK and and everything the knowledge because of obviously
they kept raiding all the monasteries and everything and all
the knowledge. But yeah, it was just like, you know,
it was nuts and they've just come along for six
months and then go back home for six months to
get in the harvest and then go back out again.
And they just doing a three months, six months tour
the world as far as they could sail, and it's
just like, yeah, it's just like it's not like you say,
when you start thinking about things like that. You say, well,
maybe they weren't as backward as we're taught in a way.
You know, just because we don't have technology doesn't mean
they weren't aware of things in a weird kind of way.
Speaker 3: But yeah, school, And I mean I wasn't very good
at school. I wasn't really interested in school. But but
one thing I was good. I was good at reading
and I was good at writing. And I think that's
really the main fundamental things you need to learn, you know,
if you could if you can read, then you can
write when you leave school, and you at least proficient edit.
That's really you need because I think I've learned most
of the stuff since I school.
Speaker 2: Ye, they just like I forgot all my schooling as
soon as I left and started.
Speaker 3: Teacher is pretty pretty useless anyway.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the point. Is like, if you're you're
learning a specific curriculum not interested in it, it's like
you're sort of thinking, well, you know that all the
information's there if you're interested in it. It's like, why
do we have to learn these specific things? And it's
it's like you say, I mean, my my, all I
remember from school in terms of history was World War Two.
We just did World War Two over and over and
over again. And then as I've gotten older and started
you know, like with the paranormal, you get interested in history.
You're visiting old buildings and old places, and then you think,
wait a minute, there's all this other history, all these
other things that were going and it's likely, you know,
it's like how.
Speaker 3: You know the World War as well, you probably only
get the history of what they wanted you to know
as well. There's a lot of things that if you
really go deeper into it, you didn't get the true
stories anyway. Half the time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's quite I don't like thinking about it
too often because, like you say, you go all conspiracy
theory if you're not carrying just getting curious about it,
because like my friend was saying that because her daughter
was having panic attacks, she pulled her out school for
a few days and got into trouble for it, And
I was like, wait a minute, she's a teacher, so
theoretically she could teach her daughter at home, So why
do they have to go to school to learn these
specific keystone information? Yeah, it just got me thinking, it's like, hey,
that's how you end it has a big conspiracy theory.
So the problem is like when you start thinking about it,
but I was just like, why do we need to
know the things that we need to know? When really,
like you say, as long as you can read, write
and add up it sort of can learn anything else
you want to.
Speaker 3: I'm comma grateful of David Dick. I've been for about
ten years now. I mean I've got into him quite late. Actually, Yeah,
when you're start reading it, I don't know if anyone's
really David dark books. So if you're listening out there,
and also your two young ladies, I would really advise
people to read some of these books because you'll realize
how much how many liars you've been told over the
years about history and how things have come about. And
I mean, David, it's an amazing I mean I actually
went to see him in London. I wanted to find
out what it was all about, really, and he did
a twelve hour talk believe it or not, twelve hours,
but he wasn't speaking for that whole twelve hours. I
would say it was probably talking for about ten and
a half hours of it. Yeah, because they had a
couple of little breaks in between but these presentations that
he did, he gave were absolutely amazing. He just blew
me away. And I thought, this bloke is not a
nut case. You know, he knows exactly what he's talking about.
He's not afraid to say it. And yeah, and I
followed him ever since, and I mean, I've been reading
these books and they just blow me away every time.
And you have to ask yourself this big question, why
does nobody ever try to take him to court? Because
he actually names people in these books about what they've done,
what they've been up to, you know, and nobody ever
takes it the court over it.
Speaker 2: Often wondered that because you know, you hear stories of
conspiracy theorists about them getting threatened and this, that and
the other, and it's like and yet he's been trundling
along like like you say, decades, and no one he
never seems to you.
Speaker 3: Know, he mentioned that people that people that are still alive.
He's been calling them out as pedophiles, all sorts of things,
you know. Uh, And their answer to it is is
nuts is just that case. But of course what they
should be doing is taking the record over it. And
of course they didn't have to come out and call
them wander the whole the whole case for they have
to come out so.
Speaker 2: Anybody else will be straight in with slander and all.
Speaker 3: Sorts of what what what do people do with the weapons? Now?
In this in this world, we're in what they doing?
They just shut you up, They take away your YouTube,
they take away your your Facebook page, or they just
shut you up in other ways.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So which is a basically your communism, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think probably because he was around a
lot longer than that, his roots probably run a little
bit deeper. So just sort of deplatforming him now, I
mean even like, you know, the average everyday person's heard
of him, so it's probably a bit harder for them
to shut him down anyway because he is so no worrioors. Yeah,
it's it's curious. I've never actually read one of his books,
seem some of his interviews and things, and obviously I'm aware.
Speaker 3: Of his favorite also all the books I've got all
around me here. These books are always just blow your way,
fantastic to read, really good read and easy to read too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a start to one that he's
done that you could start with, or do you just
start at the beginning, or can you start anywhere on it?
Speaker 3: He started going backwards his latest book, and I'm working
backwards through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so any of them are still pretty relevant.
Speaker 3: And I would say you could pick up any them
up really and and they don't sort of read from
one to another. You know they'll they'll if they reference
back on some of the other ones. He will say,
like he said so and so, and he will say
in one book, you say, he went into much more detail,
the detail into a previous book. You know that you
will mention and then you have to go and get
that book, I suppose. But I would advise anyone to
read any of his books. I mean, I've never I
want to read the whole lot before while I'm on
this planet.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, is his nearest his nearest
one called the Matrix?
Speaker 3: The latest one? What was the latest one called to them?
I've actually listened to an audio version of it at
the moment. That one was called the three, and one
was called the Trap, and the latest one in that
section is called I can't remember what it's called. Yeah,
it's only just come out. It's only just come out, actually, yeah,
come out, and said first of September. No, I think
it's due out of the first of September, but it
is actually it is actually out of aut you can't
get it there already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Trap I was thinking of. I knew
it was a short.
Speaker 3: Word, the Dream. If you're going to start reading the
David book, start on the Dream and then then read
the Trap. Yeah, in the latest one, because that is
a group of three to go together. Fascinating, absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 2: Good. I'll have to do it just for posterity, you know,
because you can't be in this field without having read
at least one David can.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think people because of their what they're
told or by the mainstream media that he thinks she's
gone and all that sort of stuff, it's all they
take it completely out of context, you know. It's what
he actually says is we're all one, basically and everything.
If you go down a lot of the holographic universe,
it takes a lot to get you head around that,
but a lot of that actually starts to make sense.
But then he puts it together and makes you understand
what he's talking about, and a lot of it does
actually make sense, you know, And it's not what you've
got to remember. Also, it's not only his research. He
reads lots of other people's research. It does his own
on that and comes tries to answer it in a
different way. But he will actually reference their research with
his own, you know, and then come up with his
own answers to it. So absolutely fascinating, you know, old
a boys that he wanted to read David White books
and from a paranormal point of view too, because it
goes right into that as well.
Speaker 1: Hey, it sounds like a bit of a journey as well.
It sounds like an interesting perfect Okay, we can recommend those.
We'll share, share some of the links to the books
onto our black page and onto our private groupe.
Speaker 3: The latest one's called I've actually got my paper version yet,
I've got the audio version which i'm listening to, but
I'm getting one in September. I'll be going to see
him in a couple of weeks actually in October.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, where are you're going to go see him?
Speaker 3: In Norwich?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, it's nice.
Speaker 3: The thing is I've actually been lucky enough to actually
talk to David as well myself face to face, So
he's such a nice blog, and you know, it's really
really a nice bloke and he's not in that case
at all. It's really it's really quite normal. But but
it's because it's so down to earth. He's no ego
or anything at all with him.
Speaker 1: You know, do you reckon you'd be able to book
him for the Essex Paranormal. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The friendly thing is I've been asked set and I
said I could ask him, but not now I think
he's I mean, you can full up now got a
whole Now.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's really interesting. I definitely share of the links
and stuff on the page, and yeah, it would be
great to hear what other people think about some of
his theories and some of the things he says. So
we're coming towards the end of our show, so what
I'd like to know It spends a bit of time
kind of knowing what you've got coming up next? What
can people look out for? Are you going to be
doing any guest speaking? Have you got anything coming up
for any events?
Speaker 3: I've got a couple of other shows that I've been
invited to go on to, But I mean, I think
I'd like to end up a little bit of talking
about my show and I'd like to sort of like
thank Irene for actually giving me the show in the
first place and give me the support and everything, and
Mark for putting the shows out and everything. I think
still give us some support over the years. And I
don't think I'll ever be back now because I think
I've sort of gone beyond it now. I'm not actually
I'm not actually missing doing the shows unfortunately in some ways.
Is this just the way I feel about it. But yeah,
I'm glad I did them. I mean, I started out
doing the shows because I when I never thought I
would never do shows. Basically, when I first started doing
the shows, I started doing them because I'd appeared on
a few other shows because I've done We've done an
investigation into somebody, and I started getting invited onto shows
to talk about that, and then I was suddenly asked
but I liked my own show, and I thought, I'll
never I've never actually even thought about it. And this
was on another network when Irene heard about it. I
know Irene just or or on off. She said, oh,
if you want to show, I'll keep you a show
on here. And I thought, well, okay, well I told
you have the network. I wasn't interested that I've been
offered this sort of on the Paranormal you Go radio network,
and it kind of went from there really, but I'd
never Yeah, if anyone had said I was going to
be doing a radio show sort of like seven years ago,
I would have said down.
Speaker 2: But I have to make with that sentiment because I
thought i'd be doing something like this.
Speaker 3: And like you said, I think a lot of this
is actually kind of pre planned, predestined, because it's brought
a lot of us to get people together, to know
people within the paranormal. I've met an awful that I've
made an awful lot of friends through the paranormal and
through guests that I've had on the show, made a
few enemies as well. Story, but you know, on on
on the whole, it's been a fantastic journey. And I
started out for my own knowledge. I thought this would
be a great knowledge base for me to actually get
to the point where I could actually invite well known
people onto the show and have a good chat with them.
And I'm lucky as I so I'm lucky enough to
make good friends out of a few of them. And yeah,
I should always be it's onally grateful for that opportunity.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's just one of those things. But I just thought,
I've actually my course on that now and I think
i'd like to leave it to other people. There's so
many there's so many podcasts out there that mine was
just one of them. I was told it was popular.
It's just one of those things that everything comes to
an end, you know.
Speaker 2: Came to a natural conclusion, because like you've got two one,
two anyway, so you've got a nice balance to your shows.
And that said, if you're not missing it, it's just
it is a pretty much a good sign that you
have done what you needed to do with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the same thing to say that, but I'm
really not missing it. You know, I've got there's other
things I'm thinking about now, things that I want to
do the time. You know. It's just one of those
things that I think, you know, when it's time to stop.
You know. It's just one of those things, you know.
And I've never had any type of an ego. I mean,
any early days, I was told, oh, you're doing it
because you've got an ego, and I won't do that
for I'm on doing it because it's something I want
to I'm actually enjoying talking to people about things, you know,
and I'm learning from them, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can always take things away. You can
always take away things. Yeah, it's interesting because if it
gets you thinking as well, it's sort of like, you know,
you're experiencing you don't normally you wouldn't normally, so.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like your journey is taking a different
way now. So you're still working with those guests, You're
still having those conversations. It's just being facilitated in a personal,
face to face kind.
Speaker 3: Of people that I do meet on occasion as friends. Yeah,
it's good, it's good for me.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's definitely watched the space. So it also it'd
be grateful to get you out on you and your
partner out on an investigation. I know that seventh Sanctum.
We've got a couple coming up in the next couple
of months and one of them is an outdoor event,
which is absolutely perfect for this weather. Whilst we've got
the most of it, I absolutely detest the sun, so
evening times is the best time I thrive.
Speaker 3: We love it.
Speaker 1: The ginger and me cries absolutely tears but yeah, we're
currently looking at possibly doing miss Ley with links to
the witch Finder General. But there's lots of.
Speaker 3: Absolutely think we're supposed to be going on a picnic
this weekend with the UFO group in South Ends on
Sunday's a picnic. I think it's the park in the
South End.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Oh lovely.
Speaker 3: Depends on the weather, but I think it's supposed to
be a good weekend.
Speaker 1: Are you going to be doing any UFO spot in
or is it just.
Speaker 3: I think it's really just a social thing on Sunday afternoon.
Just sort of get because when you go to these events,
I mean really go to an evening, you don't really
get a chance to talk to people. You're actually there
to listen to the to the speaker and then maybe
you might get five minutes to have a quick chat
with somebody while having a cup of coffee, But you
don't really get a chance to sit and talk from
an hour or so, do you you know? I think
that's kind of what it's all about.
Speaker 1: That amazing. I hope you will have a great time,
but we'll say thank you for joining us this evening.
I don't know whether you want to where we can
find you if anyone would like to get in touch
with you for you to become a guest.
Speaker 3: If anyone, if anyone wants to content me, I'll give
you my email address. It's David Young to q in
it's too queue in with it in and not the
normal or weather is at Yahoo dot co dot uk.
If anyone wants to email me, and it's always used
to give it out on the show anyway, So anyone
wants to email me for any reason to insult me
or with.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. I look forward to seeing
what you've got coming up and hopefully meet yous all
on the investigations as well.
Speaker 3: Actually we'll see you in the investigation at some point.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is.
Speaker 2: Eventually I might make it down stuff or you might
or say might make.
Speaker 1: It not.
Speaker 3: If you visit gives a show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to make that happen. Okay, Well, thank
you so much, thank you so much for joining us,
and thank you to everyone that has listened, and we
look forward to see you next time. Bye.