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side doing double duty today. Help has been critical is out.
He'll be back tomorrow producing and hosting. You know, sometimes
you got to step up to the plate and do
both things. So you know, sometimes you have to get
towards the double team, you know, and you you have
to trap, you have to steal the ball, you have
to do all of it. But that's a skill sets
that you bring here, Brett. Appreciate Brett showing up and
showing out forgot to mention Vic Cram on the data
aggregation as well. Appreciate Vick. I've had a great show.
Let's farget into the third hour. Here, it's a beautiful
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was a beautiful day in Chicago. To the guy on
the line, he would actually be upset with me. He'd
probably would be upset that I went back to Chicago
and then at least let him know and say hi,
I apologize for that. It was a quick trip, but
I will be back in September, so I'll definitely make
some time to see him. Then this college football segment,
we're gonna discuss some college basketball too. Gotta discuss Miami Ohio,
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wants to play in Miami Ohio and these you know,
these mid majors all this conversation. I like guys that
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welcome in Matt Brown of Extra Points and b.
Speaker 3: How are we doing today, Matt Hey, it's great to
be here. I'm sorry i missed you too, but I've
been I've been laid up with the coldies past couple
of days. Then okay, we'll have to get some Uh,
we'll have to get some ginger ales. Next time you're
in town in September.
Speaker 1: Definitely gotta gotta have you meet the little one and
gotta gotta take her to all of the Italian beef
in Chicago dog spots. Uh, for sure, definitely once I
once I get back home again. I love Chicago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's you know, it's it's not for everybody,
but it's for us. It is just I lived, I
lived all over the country and there's some beautiful things everywhere,
but this really is my favorite place.
Speaker 1: Look, I'll ask Brett because he's on the line as well.
Bret's lived in Georgia and Pennsylvania. Bread, I'm pretty sure
you could do the Chicago too, or no.
Speaker 4: I've never I've never actually been to Chicago.
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you the cities that I love and
then maybe you guys can infer whether or not I
would like Chicago.
Speaker 4: I assume that I will.
Speaker 5: It seems like, I mean, every time I see shots
of it, when am I I'm watching a couple of
shows that take place in Chicago right now. Obviously, I
love Atlanta, I love DC, I love New York City,
and I love the East. I'm I'm an East Coast guy,
and I know, I know Chicago is not on the
but like it's it's closer to the East than it
is to the West. So I feel like I would
like Chicago. Plus, I've watched I'm watching The Bear. That
one is a big Chicago show.
Speaker 1: Chicago show.
Speaker 4: I need.
Speaker 5: I need the beef, dude, I need an Italian beef sandwich.
So I I need to get out to Chicago. I
have not been out there yet, but it is it
is on the list for sure.
Speaker 1: You definitely.
Speaker 3: I welcome everybody who can listen to this show to
come visit. Do you know the the epitome of terrific
in case meats at Jay Dogs. We have a place
that's as good as Jay Dogs every eight blocks here
and it's gonna be run by a ninety year old
Polish person who's going to be delicious.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 3: Just just just don't come in February.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't, don't do that. Don't That's why I came
in March, Matt, you know, don't come at least I
got some seun sign and it wasn't a too bumpy
on my way out, Matt. Just get caught before we
get into the Minutia. Just give us update. How is
the family doing any trips lined up for the summertime?
Speaker 3: No, you know it's actually I'm going to be in
your neck of the woods this summer because you know,
I'm married into a Utah family, and as Utah families do,
they have family reunions. So think I'm going to this
Is it bear Lake?
Speaker 1: Great bear Lake?
Speaker 3: Yes? So yeah, I'll come in and maybe maybe maybe
help with some hosting duties when I come in late
later in June and then we're trying to figure out,
all right, where do you want to do? Where do
we want to do traveling for campus visits and and
and for reporting in April and uh in May. I've
tried to stay off the road as much as I
could for February and March after being really busy for
a while. But we'll uh partly do a couple of
college baseball and college softball stories and get get find
an excuse for me to go someplace warm for a
little bit and write it off for tax purposes.
Speaker 1: So you know, Southern myth hitting me up, a Southern
miss hit them up. You heard it for sure. Let's
get right into it. Let's start with the basketball, and
then we can in with some football discussion if we
have time. If you are a man of receipts. Miami
Ohio that's been the biggest topic everything that I've seen. Right,
No one wants to schedule to play the Miami Ohios.
The high points and then they beat him in the tournament,
and then you got coaches sounding off. And I can't
fault these coaches right now. I understand if they were
playing in the Big Twelve Conference and maybe they get
boat steam, but no one wants to play these guys
and they need it for their resume, but they're getting
left out. And I was very impressed with the work
that you did. Miami of Ohio contact to like I
think with twelve people, and no one got back to them,
maybe even BYU. What will give us the update on
how that went down.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the way that it just works right is
that if you're trying, if you're an assistant coach, if
you're a dobo an operations guy for a basketball team,
you're usually the one that's doing the leg work to
build a schedule rather than like the athletic director or
sometimes the head coach. And you can do this from
hitting up your buddies from places where you used to coach.
There's a lot of these games getting set up because
people have personal relations of relationships. There's there's a website
called winad that many big time programs used and they'll post, hey,
I need to buy game on this date. You know
low major's, mid majors con hit me up. But beyond that,
you know people will send just good fashion emails and
good old fashion emails. At public institutions like Miami are
subject to open records requests. So I reached out to
the I file all the paperwork and sending a request
to go get all the schools that Miami had tried
to schedule over like a just just a four month window.
So that means it doesn't have anybody that they hit
up on win AD, anybody that hit up over the phone,
anybody that they hit up at you know, a at
a conference or anything. And we came back with that
I want to say nineteen schools BYU was one of those.
So it was Utah BYU if I remember correctly, because
I don't have it up in front of my my
monitor right now, but if I remember correctly, they said like, hey,
we don't have a date open. At that point, Miami
was playing a road game at the beginning of the
season at air Force, and they wanted to play a
major conference Western team, you know, a couple of days
before after, you know, because if they're gonna fly out
West anyway, they want to get bought, get the eighty
ninety thousand dollars, you know, come back. So they hit
up a bunch of Western teams and BYU just it
wasn't you're too good, it was we already have some
of these games scheduled. We're not available on the dates
that you need us. But there were certainly teams that said,
we want to play, you're too good. We'd rather go
play somebody who's in the RPI two fifty to seventy
five three hundred, And like you kind of said before
you brought me on, I don't fault the coaches for that,
because there's not really a net, you know, any any
team benefit from beating somebody who's in the RPI one
twenty one thirty one fifty, like a really good mid
major team, especially if you're in league like the Big Twelve,
where you're going to have so many really difficult games
over the course of the entire season, and until you
change or make changes to the metric that determines who
gets in the tournament who doesn't everybody, Like if I'm BYU,
I think the incentives pretty clear, right. You should schedule
you know, two or three big games, probably at neutral sites,
and then you should make every single home game as
as crappy as possible because you're going to have to
play sixteen quad one games during conference seasons. That's kind
of where the incentives are set up right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely where the incentives are set up. And
do you see this changing at all in the next
you know, you know, three four years. I don't think
you can say two. But this is an issue. I
think UVU was having the same issue. You know, the
school down the road from YU and those who do
the morning should like, you can't get anybody to schedule us,
and I mean them going to the Big West might help,
I think will help a little bit. But this is
a problem in college athletics, with basketball specifically, obviously football
two degree as well. But does this change in the
next five years.
Speaker 3: I think it's a problem in almost every sports. It's
more visible in basketball because you have to play more
of these games and we have a little bit better
data about who's good and who isn't and and what
the guarantees are. But certainly it's an issue for UVU,
it's an issue for Weber, it's an issue for Grand Canyon,
It's an issue for schools in the MAC or on
the horizon. It's a little bit different in the East,
where you can potentially bust to forty different institutions. You
can't really do that in the inter Mountain West or
in a lot of the Western States, and I don't
think there is an obvious solution. The NET was created
in part to playcate the Power four conferences or the
F four plus the Big East, if you want to
throw them in here for basketball purposes. And when you're
in a political environment where the Big Ten in the
SEC are kind of throwing tempartensions about wanting even more
access to championships, even more power, even more money. The
last thing that's going to get through the NCAA Basketball
Committee is going to be changes to some of these
metrics that might help schools in the A ten or
the Missouri Valley. I would love to interview more quants
and coaches and scheduling consultants and folks that think they
have a formula to build a better mouse trap that
is more Ken Pomroy's I think area of expertise than mine.
But I from what I know right now, I don't
think there's an easy way to do it unless you
force people to And I can't imagine at any conference
commissioner or the NCUBLE itself forcing anybody to do it.
Speaker 5: Matt, I want to talk about the three most dangerous
letters in all of sports.
Speaker 4: Nil So I saw you at an interesting tweet I
and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: I think it was a last week or the week
before where you would put out like the top ten
schools per operating costs?
Speaker 4: Does that sound right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, I did this. I did that.
I ranked all like two hundred and twenty of them, right.
Speaker 5: And I thought that a couple of publications or a
couple of I guess big guys on X took that
and said these are the top NIL budgets per school.
I would love for you to explain to us and
to our listeners what's there is clearly a massive difference.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people don't understand.
Speaker 5: So can you explain the difference between the operating budget
and the NIL I.
Speaker 3: Would be happy to And you're right, there is a
huge difference. What happens right now is that every buddy
in Division one and Division two, whether you're a public
school or a private school, has to file an itemized
budget report with the NC DOUBLEA every January. If you're
a private school like BYU, the only people that ever
get to see it are BYU pple use accountants and
the NC DOUBLEA. But if you're a public institution, that
document is the subject to open records requests and lots
and lots of reporters. You'll get it. Every year. I
file for every single school in Division one and Division two,
as does USA today, as does the Athletic and the
Chronicle of Higher Education and a handful of places, so
we all get these budget docs, and those documents break
down the revenues and expenses for every athletic department, and
they're itemized by sport. So you can look down there
and it's like on page eighty seven of every report
or whatever, that will tell you total operating expenses for
every sport, including men's basketball. And that figure includes all
the money that a school spent on coaching salaries, all
the money that it's spent on administrative salaries to support
that sport, all the money it's spent on travel, on food,
on software, on recruiting expenses, everything but player payroll. Now
that might change next year, but like for for this year,
there were the budget reports to go by fiscal years
rather than calendar years. So the most recent data anybody
has is from the June thirtieth of July first, like
right before the House settlement kicks in. So there's the
we don't have the data in these reports from what
school's spent directly for revenue sharing, and if people are
getting paid through We're collective, or through PEPSI or through
some marketing agency or through donor bag, then it doesn't
show up on their important So I can tell people,
and that's what I publish, like, here's the report. Here's
the data that I have, which is what people spend
on everything else, and everything else is important in operating
a sport. It determines how much, how many, how many
home games you could buy, how many staffers you can have,
whether your athletes are getting you know, good protein after
workouts or if they're they're they're bump Muney milkoff, you know,
from seven to eleven on the way home. All of
that stuff matters. But I can't tell you how much
a school is paying their shooting guard or their basketball
team in general, because the school's lawyers all across the
country are saying, we don't have to share that. And
what happens on Twitter, and I think, and what happens
with agents and with some coaches is they're so desperate
for that information that they'll make it up or they'll
just lash to any number that they can possibly find
and say that's the payroll. And that's frustrating for me
as a reporter, and I think for anybody that has
to operate in this space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so frustrating. It's so annoying.
Speaker 5: Because we were talking about Jason McIntyre, he was hosting
The Herd. We were talking about a clip from him
where he's like, well, bo, he's paying AJ's five to
seven million dollars And I'm with you, Matt, like, it's
it's so frustrating. It doesn't matter to me how much
BYU did or didn't pay a j de BoNT. I
think the bigger issue is that it's like it's almost
like a reporter integrity issue where you have fan duel tweeting, Oh,
here's the top ten teams who are bounced from the
tournament and how much they're spending.
Speaker 4: We don't know that number. And I don't know.
Speaker 5: If that's just because to your point, like maybe some
of these people think that operating budget and NIOL budget
is one and the same, or maybe they're reporting given
off of what agents give them, Like do you think
there's a world where we will ever live in and
know I don't know if like salary cap of each
school is the way to look at it, but like
it is really frustrating as someone who works in this
space also to see these numbers being put out when
you know that there's just no way that they can
be accurate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I think personally, I think that the
fact that nobody knows actually hurts almost everybody except a
handful of agents. Right if you're a member of BYU
or Utah's coaching staff and an agent of a transfer
comes back and says, hey, the number for me is
one point eight million, and you know what everybody else
is recruiting that guy's is spending for their budget, and
you know what the salary cap is, and you know
there's no way, but that's pot then you're going to
have a more informed, better conversation with that player. Or
for a coach who goes through ad and says, oh
my god, we're in the bottom of fifteen percent of
our conference. I can't possibly you have enough money here
to be effective. We need to go change some things.
These are all things that operators need to know, and
we know this in the NBA or the NFL or
Major League baseball, because we have a collective bargaining agreement
that requires this information to be public, and we don't
have that in college sports. We might have that someday,
whether that comes through Congress, whether that comes through increased
organizing and activism efforts from the athletes themselves, but we
don't have that right now. And across the country, red state,
blue state, you know, urban campus, rural campus, schools are
fighting truth and nail for public records exemptions to disclose
any of this kind of information. You know, I've asked
over well over one hundred schools, like, don't tell me
how much you're paying for shooting guard. I don't want
any personal identifying information. I just want to know how
many how many checks your department wrote to athletes during
this time period, right, or break it down for me
by sport, like you would for any other vendor that
you would for your your public athletic department. And then
and they'll come back and they'll say no, And I
don't have enough money to sue everybody for this, right,
and you know I need a lot more you people
listening to pay nine dollars for a premium subscription before
I can go off and sue everybody. We can't do that.
So that's why, and and that's true for most newspapers,
which is why it doesn't happen. And I think, I think,
I think that is frustrating. I'm sure some of it
is ignorance, right, because who wants to talk about accounting
when they want to talk about sports? But I think,
particularly on Twitter, there's an algorithmic incentive to share the
most outlandish stuff, whether it's about sports or gambling, or
weather or politics or anything else, and that's that's what
catches on fire. I don't write click baity things, right.
People who've been following me and know me for a
while know I usually write really nerdy stuff. So if
some thing you know blows up on Twitter, there's there's
a decent chance that's being misinterpreted somewhere.
Speaker 5: Does it surprise you? And maybe it doesn't in the
world we live in in twenty twenty six, but like,
I'm surprised when I see a reputable account like FanDuel
putting out this list of like these are the top
spenders in March Mandis, Like, does it surprise you when
these companies and these reputable sources who clearly could not
have gotten the information, are putting out numbers and they're
not even citing where they got it from. This may
be more of a conversation on like journalism that fans
don't really want to hear about. But I just I
find this conversation about inaccurate NIL reporting to be so
fascinating because of everything you just said. We don't have
a collective bargaining agreement. I'd love to know, like what
that would even require for us to get that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think where I gently pushed back first
is about the idea of FanDuel being some kind of
reputable source. It's a gambling company like Sandel doesn't have reporters.
Sandel doesn't have doesn't have editors. Fandel. The only thing
Shandel cares about is more people gambling on Sanduel, and
the same thing for draft Kings, and the same thing
for these gajillion influencer accounts that are left to specifically
juice the engagement numbers for online gambling. And I'm saying
this on the air in this market right like I
can go back and think of, you know, maybe not.
Everything I picked up from my church experience is something
I want to keep with me as an adult. But boy,
howdy think they nailed it about gambling, right.
Speaker 5: He.
Speaker 3: Gives like to say, sure, I will, I will, I
will give all Gordo Hinckley his fist props here. He
was right and we didn't see it coming and he
was right, and so like, I definitely looked at that
industry as having some insidious, you know, negative impacts on
how we talk about sports generally. Right, you know, check
out brother, you know brother, Brother Coppin's story in the
in the Atlantic was excellent and talks about a lot
of those things. But beyond that, Yeah, even even for
larger entities we've experienced, reporters are extensive, and a lot
of the people that you know, everyone's been laying everybody off,
the people that are running the social desks. For some
of these larger entities, they might be twenty four and
I would prefer, I would prefer to think they are
making mistakes out of ignorance rather than malice in trying
to specifically pump up numbers. If we want to actually
make these things public for everything, we wouldn't need either
college basketball players to be deemed employees so they can
then legally unionize or at least organize and have a
legally binding CBA that would you know, permit this or
you would need federal or state laws to say, Hey,
universities that are getting you know, telgrant money or fast
some money or taxpayer money or state appropriations have to
share this information just like they do for every other
state employee or state vendor. Right Like, you don't have
to be a full time employee at the University of
Utah or if we were state or anybody. You can
file a FOILA and get the contract for an independent
contractor or a vendor, which is what the athletes would be.
Somebody could listen to this and you know, figure out
what schools are paying me to go read my newsletter
or use my data product. Like that's that's all possible.
This athlete compensation is like one of the the two
exceptions that seems to be written in here, and that
has to be changed either in the courts or in Congress.
Speaker 1: Good point courts or Congress. Look there they're at BYU
fans that want to know what people are getting paid. Look,
I guarantee there is a there is. It's always interesting
to me, you know, as I like to say, I
call it the te sometimes there are fans who are like, look,
I'm not participating in the fan duel and DraftKings, but
I would love to see those that are. And what
is who's betting on AJ and what is AJ making
in those states? It's crazy, But let's transition. We'll stand
on the topic of NIL. But you put out another piece.
You know, Cinderella's you know they're not showing up anymore.
And it's bigger than an AIL a lot of people
because and I bring up another ESPN guy that said
something in another National guy, Jay Williams, Cinderellas are dead
because they'll just take a guy and hey, Boston College
will pay you five hundred thousand and that will be it.
It's more than just in Io tell us why.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think what we've seen over the last two
years is the confluence of a couple of different things.
I think it's probably the portal more than in his
NIL specifically, like guys have been getting paid a little
bit longer than they've been able to transfer it without penalty.
But it impacts mid major basketball the most because one
of the great equalizers that we saw over the last
twenty years would be when you'd have a team that
then't that you know, there wasn't as athletic, there wasn't
as deep, but it was really experienced. If you had
a team of a bunch of future insurance salesmen who
were all red shirt juniors or seniors, been playing together
for three years and they shot the lights out, yeah
you could beat Kentucky. You can go beat somebody that
has a couple of NBA first rounders. And we've seen
that often in the portal era, where every roster across
the country is highly transient, whether it's at Duke or
BYU or Kansas State or you know, Baptists whatever, you're
generally losing between thirty and seventy per years. So it's
very difficult to build that kind of template. I think
there's also some element of just bad luck involved here.
We had a couple of really good mid major teams
not win their conference tournaments this year, and so they
didn't get to make March Madness like this. Belmont was
Belmont good enough to beat one of these, you know,
one of these four or five seeds this year? Yeah,
I think so. UNC Wilmington won twenty five plus games
that they didn't make the tournament. Steven if Austin didn't
make the tournament. These things happen, you get bad draws.
But there's also a basketball specific element which I think
I think is really interesting. Well, I saw this in
Sports Illustrated and I was going to kind of check
it through Ken Palm, and it looks like it's true
that a lot of the best teams are playing more low,
post oriented basketball. And in a world where everyone's running
a five out system and you're trying to, you know,
shoot forty three is a game you're gonna have a
little bit more variance game to game if somebody just
gets red hot, where a team with inferior athletes could
potentially win. But if you have more teams that are
playing a little bit more basketball, those might be closer
to like the ninety five Knicks, or or one that
that's at least at least one that's that's not as
three heavy but is more big man heavy. There's just
not as many big men, right, Like God did not
make as many dudes who are six foot ten to
seven foot one to play center at high level baskets.
Speaker 1: He did not.
Speaker 3: And there's a good chance that your favorite mid make
it doesn't have one of those guys just like God
didn't make that many five star edge rushers, and the
ones that he did, they're all going to Ohio State
in LSU like there are probably not playing at Utah Tech.
So you you orient your team differently, and there were
there were schematic ways that you could kind of give
yourself a fighting chance in football and basketball, And I
think one of the exciting things about covering the sport
is that those things are always evolving. Maybe you know,
ten years ago that the trick would have been to
run a Princeton offense and take thirty seconds before every
shot and try to upset somebody, you know, fifty two
to fifty one. And maybe that doesn't work anymore. So
now we're gonna have to figure something else out. Maybe
maybe it's going the opposite direction and doing what Grennell
and Vami used to do and try to win games
one hundred and forty to one hundred and twenty, or
maybe somebody will. We'll figure out some other thing. But
right now, between basketball orienting itself in a way that
that that gives more advantages to bigger teams and the
portal and some bad luck, Yeah, it's a situation that
doesn't look good for mid majors. On the positive side, though,
the best teams in this year's college basketball tournament and
last year are way better than the best teams in
college basketball five or six seven years ago, which should
make an Elite eight or Final four.
Speaker 1: That's just electric, which is why I picked Houston for mine.
I'll get you out of here on a lighthearted one
than Matt, Who did you pick for your national champion?
I know you picked Ohio State.
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 1: Oh I kidding?
Speaker 3: You actually pick them? No? No, please, There hasn't been
a reason to be emotionally invested in Ohio State basketball.
Speaker 1: In fifteen years.
Speaker 3: I had people texting me like, what are you gonna
do if they play bau in an eight nine game? Like,
I don't know, not watch, Like this team suck, I
don't care what. I'll go watch them, but I'll go
or somebody good. The team nine pick was Arizona. I
think if you if you had wanted to argue for Houston,
if you had wanted to argue for Michigan, if you
had wanted to argue for Duke, I don't think I
would have. I think all all of those are valid.
I think Arizona can win a basketball game in more
ways to some of those other schools. But I mean
we were looking at kemp Palm. I wrote about this
earlier this week, Right, like a team of Sanderbilt, which
is a five seed and out by the first weekend,
was as efficient as like a number one seed in
twenty seventeen season. Like the teams that we have left
with maybe the exception of Iowa, are all just dynamite
basketball teams.
Speaker 1: How was amazing was that to see Todd Golden in
Florida fall to number nine Iowa. That was a great game.
Speaker 3: It was, It was, It was. It was a heck
of a last minute thirty seconds, right, and especially after
such a chalky tournament like not that not that it's
really fun that you're disengaged to be like, ah, I'm
so glad the plucky Big ten team with the budget
of one hundred and twelve million finally pulled something out.
But it is fun to see a couple of the
one or two seeds, especially the defending national champion, lose, and
lose in a particularly funny way.
Speaker 1: Yeah BYU fans, little beef for Todd Golden. Going back
to Mark Pope days at San Francisco and BYU. I
know they were happy. I got a few text messages
about that. But that's not important. That's not relevant.
Speaker 4: Matt.
Speaker 1: What's the best way we can support you the listeners?
What you're doing, how you do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just realized something like the Big Twelve players
even asking for BYU now because you got Randy Bennett coming.
Speaker 1: Back, Can we just can we just not talk about that.
I've been texting fans and people and says, Ron, we're haunted,
and I says we're not haunted. I don't play, I
just cover. But yes, I know you guys are struggling.
Randy Bennett's back. It doesn't get any easier either. Matt too.
Jered Calhoun. When Wes Miller got fired, I said, Jered
Calhoun will be gone. Utah State has been the feeder
job for any P four program. I said, the Big
Twelve is gonna get more difficult. And Randy Bennett already
making moves. Guys are in the portal already, Matt. He
flipped a couple of commitments. Yeah, b A, you might
be haunted again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you look, Jared's an Ohio guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, yess and Logan for long.
Speaker 3: I was kind of hoping he might end up in
Columbus one of these days, but now probably not. But
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It's great work. It's great stuff. We love having Matt
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Speaker 3: You bet all right, BI Well fellas appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll let you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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