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<v Speaker 1>Well whiskey, come and take my pain. The honeys all right,

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<v Speaker 1>oh whiskey.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't why think alone when you can drink it all

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<v Speaker 2>in with Ricochet's three Whiskey Happy Hour. Join your bartenders

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Hayward, John You and the International Woman of Mystery Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 3>Where they slapped it.

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<v Speaker 1>Up and David Hain't you easy on the soud tap

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<v Speaker 1>you got to give me and let that whiskey.

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<v Speaker 4>Flo Welcome everyone to the three Whiskey Happy Hour. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a really great three whiskey happy hour because we are

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<v Speaker 4>all home, not in each other's home, in our own homes,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's eight o'clock PM, and we're all drinking whiskey.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah right, right exactly, and I am drinking a fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>year old McAllen. It's very nice.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty young. That's pretty young for you, is he is?

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, as I got fired from all my

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<v Speaker 4>different jobs, I can't really afford the eighteen year old anymore,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, it's it's it's kind of popping.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean to start a go fundme page

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<v Speaker 3>for the three so you can buy three more years

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<v Speaker 3>and make it an eighteen year old?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, if Lucretia does an online page that starts

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<v Speaker 2>with go and an f ho it, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a different something.

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<v Speaker 3>My browser doesn't let me see Lucretia's web pages for that.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you drinking, John, I've got a wild turkey

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<v Speaker 3>oh rare breed right ry?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, and I always do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to pour it. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 3>can hear it, actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's always fun. While you're doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>You can hear it from the will it bottle.

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<v Speaker 3>Always I do the willet bottle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just doing my I know, I'm doing my

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<v Speaker 2>old standby because I haven't had time to go to

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<v Speaker 2>make it the good liquor store tomorrow in Fas.

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<v Speaker 3>Just throw this out and drink the will it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how I have it.

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<v Speaker 3>I have it there like this.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you have a hat on it? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I hope that any listeners live out there are

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<v Speaker 4>joining us in tipping a host a toast to all

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<v Speaker 4>of you. Thank you for joining us, And if you're

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<v Speaker 4>watching this later on or listening later on, thank you

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<v Speaker 4>again for joining us. We very much appreciate the support.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh So, first we've been including speaking of support, we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to start by asking Steve why it is that

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<v Speaker 4>dogs have a thing for his books.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I should laugh, Yeah, a toast tonight's a lily.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we have a long time reader and listener

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<v Speaker 2>who've never met named Tom Steaky. I'm not even sure

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<v Speaker 2>where he lives, but not five years ago, he sent

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<v Speaker 2>me photos of his dog Lily. You know how authors

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<v Speaker 2>like to say my book was so good, people just

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<v Speaker 2>ate it up. Well, his dog literally ate my book.

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<v Speaker 2>And about a second here, if I can find the

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<v Speaker 2>pictures he sent me, there we go. For people who

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<v Speaker 2>are watching the live stream. There is Lily looking at

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<v Speaker 2>my book. And there on the right side is Lily

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<v Speaker 2>after after the book had been fairly masticated, and good girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he only eat the books that talked about Strauss

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<v Speaker 3>too long?

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<v Speaker 4>So John, So I had this lovely first edition of

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<v Speaker 4>the Constitution produced in like eighteen sixty that was the

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<v Speaker 4>publication date on it. And it was the Constitution and

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<v Speaker 4>some of the other founding documents, and it was this

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<v Speaker 4>lovely old book and it was about eye level on

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<v Speaker 4>one of my bookshelves, and one of my dogs, my

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<v Speaker 4>German Shepherd's not little rat dog Skink. You about that,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, anyway, actually got up somehow. There must

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<v Speaker 4>have been something in the pages of the book. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean it was, you know, one hundred and fifty years

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<v Speaker 4>old at least, and chewed it to smithereens, not even

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<v Speaker 4>like half of it. That Lily only ate half of

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<v Speaker 4>Steve's book. This one was just destroyed. And I write

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<v Speaker 4>what it was, But I guess it's because dogs like good,

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<v Speaker 4>good books. Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I was going to say, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure I got to the not a punchline. But

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<v Speaker 2>the reason it's timely this week is that this week

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<v Speaker 2>Lily came to her last days, and so we drink

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<v Speaker 2>to Lily, who's obviously has good tasted books, and thank

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Steaky for being a loyal reader, and also he

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<v Speaker 2>buying a replacement copy of the book. This now suggests

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<v Speaker 2>a new strategy. You put a milk bone or something

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<v Speaker 2>along with every book so that you sell every book

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<v Speaker 2>twice to dog owners. Something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I would tell you, Tom, close your ears on this, John.

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<v Speaker 4>My my mother died when I was very very young.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember sitting next to my father at the funeral

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<v Speaker 4>and kind of watching his chin quiver a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>but when our family dog died at seventeen, he bawled

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<v Speaker 4>like a baby. That's how dogs affect you. So my

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<v Speaker 4>condolences to you dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, little dogs. I just don't like rat dogs. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't feel them to be real dogs. God anyway that

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<v Speaker 3>they walk around with him everything hills.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, finally, can I just do before you start us

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<v Speaker 2>into our line of serious subject of creatia. I cannot resist.

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<v Speaker 2>And you shouldn't eat because you grew up in La.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a Dodgers fan. We went to a Dodger came

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<v Speaker 4>One quite the most memorable one ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's because John, I threw a friend scored. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was like Budweiser's seats on the first row

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<v Speaker 2>the dugout level, right behind home plate. But you can

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<v Speaker 2>believe it right when yeah see, and Lucretia spent the

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<v Speaker 2>whole game ogling Steve Yegger's there here. I remember that,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>Got crushed by It's just like you guys, like on

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<v Speaker 3>a date or something. That's why she was staring at

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<v Speaker 3>that guy rather than you, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh Anyway, John, Now, now I don't feel so bad

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<v Speaker 2>about humiliating you over the Phillies doing a face plant

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<v Speaker 2>worse than a Brown Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe they lost on a fource ole error

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<v Speaker 3>and the extra innings on a tap back to the picture. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and the picture over threw it to the wrong base

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<v Speaker 3>and then overthrew it. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know who feels good about that today?

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<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know who feels good about that today besides

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<v Speaker 2>Dodger fans Bill Buckner. He's no longer He's no longer

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest goat of the postseason.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know. That was still pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, right, don't mean that we're about to

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<v Speaker 4>start the World Series or something.

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<v Speaker 3>There's one more round of playoffs, one more round, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll try to when the I mean when the Japanese

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<v Speaker 3>All Star League team, I mean the Dodgers are gonna play,

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<v Speaker 3>but probably the Brewers I assume.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be what the Milwaukee Brewers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're really good.

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<v Speaker 4>They're a real team.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're the best team. They had the best record

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Things So so, John, you know what I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 3>next week.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do an AI animation of Steve Yeager

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<v Speaker 2>calling the games. And see if I can full into watching.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a long time ago. I know, I have

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<v Speaker 4>no interest in sports figures anymore. I'd be much more

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<v Speaker 4>excited probably about I don't know, Thomas soul or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>somebody could intellectually engage me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know. She would get hot and bothered

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<v Speaker 3>by the idea of Harry Jaffer doing jumping checks or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, it's time to change. Yeah, all right. Big news

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<v Speaker 4>this week that made a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>headlines in the right media, probably not the media that you, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>inter interact with. John. Have you heard of this guy

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<v Speaker 4>named Jay Jones running for Attorney general in Virginia?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I heard about this. Yes, I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was actually in the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Well, they're doing well, they're doing the season and

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<v Speaker 2>pouncing thing. No, there's one headline I forget which paper.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Republicans sees on comments by attorney general candidate. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always the reaction of Republicans. That's the media, the

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream media coverage. Okay, sorry, this session is great to me, right, awesome?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, but you know that they've got nothing else

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<v Speaker 4>they can say about it because the guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it really it. It wasn't as if it was something

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<v Speaker 4>that you know, the three of us in deep in

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<v Speaker 4>the back of a bar somewhere, trusting each other's promise

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<v Speaker 4>to keep everything secret, made some offhand, off color remarks

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<v Speaker 4>about something. This was a text message the guy sent

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<v Speaker 4>to a Republican and he it was just vile what

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's not it's not like some podcast

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<v Speaker 2>hosts we know has ever said that somebody should be

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<v Speaker 4>That's just that's just an offhand remark.

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<v Speaker 2>He met it. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And and mostly because not because of anything that that

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<v Speaker 4>guy had ever done wrong, but because he held policy

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<v Speaker 4>views different from Jay Jones. And the way that you

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<v Speaker 4>get people to change their policies is you shoot them

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<v Speaker 4>while they're in their mother's arms, make them watch and

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<v Speaker 4>so they feel pain, and then they'll change their policies.

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<v Speaker 4>How sick do you have to? And then not one,

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<v Speaker 4>not one, not one Democrat. I take that back. John

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<v Speaker 4>Fetterman is the only one I know of is willing

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<v Speaker 4>to even tell the guy. Look, somebody who has these

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<v Speaker 4>views is not fit by character, by lack of integrity,

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<v Speaker 4>whatever you want to say to be the chief law

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<v Speaker 4>enforcement officer of the state of Virginia. That's easy, in

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<v Speaker 4>my opinion. Go ahead, I'm done pontificate.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean, well, let's get back to a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>you and I had. I'm not sure you were on

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, John, It's a while ago now, but we

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<v Speaker 2>had an extensive discussion of why are so many leftists?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not all of them, but it certainly seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be a high number really horrible people. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>never mind the assassin of Charlie Cook, think about the

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably numbers in the thousands, certainly hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of people on the left who declared publicly how happy

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<v Speaker 2>they were that Charlie Kirk was shot. Right, So you

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<v Speaker 2>know what can explain this? And you know, I've given

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<v Speaker 2>my philosophical explanation because that's what I run to. There

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<v Speaker 2>may be a psychological explanation to go with it too.

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<v Speaker 4>There's the bubble explanation that, yes, the practical matter, which

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<v Speaker 4>you should probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Mention, Well, that gets to the Katie Porter story, which

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you want to hold for a moment. But people too,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>One would you cannot know that talking about shooting your

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<v Speaker 4>opponent's children in the the while they're in the arms

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<v Speaker 4>of your wife. To cause him pain is an inappropriate

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<v Speaker 4>thing to say. You have to know that. And if

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<v Speaker 4>you don't know that, you live in such a bubble

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<v Speaker 4>that any any morality has been sucked out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's you know, the whatever, whatever it is, the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Actually there's a question for you, John Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you don't You guys don't really think that

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<v Speaker 3>distributed amongst I mean there's very bad conservatives too. Well, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean saying think terrible things. Also.

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<v Speaker 4>here's the point. There are there are women who could

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<v Speaker 3>Who would that be? Come on, bring them on? Who

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<v Speaker 4>About she could definitely destroy you with with her humor.

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<v Speaker 4>I say that the same phenomenon is actually, for some

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<v Speaker 4>are horrible people Jay Jones or Katie Porter, or or

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, President Trump says lots of bad things about people,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well he does.

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<v Speaker 3>That's part of his appeal. That's part of his appeal

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<v Speaker 3>is that he says terrible things.

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<v Speaker 2>But look, John, well, look, I want to hold this.

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<v Speaker 3>I find that interesting about him, that he says terrible

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't think he's ever said that they should

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<v Speaker 2>But I think most people, most people like working well, look,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a jerk. Was John McCain of course, But you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know El says high staff turnover. Yeah, Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but that's not because he fires them and they

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<v Speaker 2>you know, well, hold on, I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>a specific question about getting back to Jay Jones. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>And moral fitness qualification.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now do you think if Jay Jones was coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of law school, passed the bar and was then reached

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<v Speaker 2>that review stage, those tweets would not raise some eyebrows

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<v Speaker 2>at the state bar about his fitness to be granted

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's interesting. I don't think it would stop

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't say that, He just said it was wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really he didn't. Because I've heard people in politics

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<v Speaker 3>say very mean things. They don't really mean they want

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<v Speaker 3>to shoot someone or kill someone, but they use this language.

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<v Speaker 3>Of warfare all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>He doubled.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but they don't mean it like they don't.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't mean it right like you. But they Well,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, people in electoral politics often talk this way.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, when I read it, I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a bad fellow, but there's a lot of bad

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, he did double down on it. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a I mean, now maybe it's contested, but he did

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<v Speaker 2>say to someone this is a you know, what you

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<v Speaker 2>with a story, and it certainly sounds in characters saying gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you know, it wouldn't be bad if a few

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<v Speaker 2>more policemen were shot, because then they'd be shooting fewer

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<v Speaker 2>black people, you know, the whole sort of black lives matter?

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<v Speaker 2>What's it, George Floyd Nonsense. It sounds to me like

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<v Speaker 2>just restate briefly what I've said before.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you guys think that liberals are worse people

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<v Speaker 3>than conservatives? This is what I want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, first of all, I'll give you two data points.

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<v Speaker 2>One well, one's my an interpretation and the data point

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<v Speaker 2>the interpretation is when you believe as a philosophical premise

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<v Speaker 2>that you were on the side of history. As they

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<v Speaker 2>never stop saying it's that lazy progressivism that they can't

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<v Speaker 2>stand to be challenged. They think that what's the Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Crowdhammer line is that conservatives think liberals are stupid, Liberals

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<v Speaker 2>think conservatives are evil. And you know, he was a

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<v Speaker 2>psychiatrist Ride and I think he was onto something there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then take I don't remember how they work, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Jonathan Height did based on some really good

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<v Speaker 2>survey work, you know, about how conservatives actually he has

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<v Speaker 2>five different points in the moral compass. I everget how

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<v Speaker 2>he puts it, and he says liberals only get three

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<v Speaker 2>of them, Conservatives get all five. And that's why Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>moved from pretty far left being sort of centrist, or

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<v Speaker 2>liberals are much more narrow. Add to that the media bubble,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is really the subtext of the Katie

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<v Speaker 2>portrait story. The liberals are always reinforced on college campuses,

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<v Speaker 2>in the media, and of course amongst each other. I quoted, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>or two ago, someone writing to the ethicist at the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times saying, we have these new neighbors. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what their politics are. We can't possibly associate

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times printed this. That's how liberals think, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I think they think it's not remarkable to

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<v Speaker 3>Take crowdhammers quote. It's think. I actually think liberals are

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<v Speaker 3>often more misguided than evil. Liberals think conservatives are evil,

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<v Speaker 3>but you guys think liberals are evil, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Not not unqualifiably so. But I do think that what

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<v Speaker 4>they reject God, they reject religion, they reject good and evil,

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<v Speaker 4>that what fills their souls is is demonic and satanic.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think there's ample proof of that.

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<v Speaker 3>In Yes, I think they're like agents of the devil.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Not I don't think that every democratic or liberal

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<v Speaker 4>politician is. But certainly the the push for transgenderism, the

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<v Speaker 4>push especially amongst vulnerable populations, to turn them into transgenders,

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<v Speaker 4>that's evil. There's just no way around it. The push

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<v Speaker 4>to mutilate children in the name of some ridiculously stupid

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<v Speaker 4>born into, and pushing that on them. That's evil. That's

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<v Speaker 4>not just you know, bad policy or stupid decision making.

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<v Speaker 4>It's evil, And or they wouldn't be going after the

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<v Speaker 4>most vulnerable to make it happen. So yes, I do

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<v Speaker 4>believe that I don't believe every liberal is evil, certainly not,

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<v Speaker 4>not by a long shot. I also think that this

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<v Speaker 4>has been a theory of mine and I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>we don't move on. But for the longest time, John,

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<v Speaker 4>my belief is that the extreme far left gets away

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<v Speaker 4>decent suburban soccer mom, college professor, mayle whatever, they really

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<v Speaker 4>the worst of antify. I could go on and on,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that part of the reason why Democrats

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<v Speaker 4>so many liberals turn don't believe that what the far

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<v Speaker 4>left is doing, is even possible. I've had that experience

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<v Speaker 4>with professors in my college over and over again. You

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<v Speaker 4>give them examples and they accuse me of lying because

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<v Speaker 4>they can't believe that anybody on their side would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be so awful.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's so they're I want to qualify

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<v Speaker 4>if I agree to your characterization of me. I want

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<v Speaker 4>you to understand what I mean when I say, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I do think that someone on the left are actually evil.

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<v Speaker 4>So there you have it. Like Katie Porter, they just

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<v Speaker 4>if you are fat and ugly, why would you be

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't help it. But look, people have known in

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<v Speaker 2>California for a long time that she's a pretty horrible person,

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<v Speaker 2>and they vote for her. Well they didn't. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>she ran for Senate and lost to Adam Shift, right,

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<v Speaker 2>to Adam Shift, even in California. And she did. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's one of the divorce filing claims from

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<v Speaker 2>her ex husband is that she dumped hot, massed potatoes

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if there was gravy on it, that'd be

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<v Speaker 3>fine with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you can. Yeah, well well well well we'll poke

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<v Speaker 2>you with a hot corn dog, John, That's what we'll do.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, you know, like you were saying, but

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<v Speaker 3>they're but there were Republican politicians who are mean to

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<v Speaker 3>their staff too, like you mentioned McCain. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but never mind that for the moment. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I think there's a spectrum. John. So some of

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Farber, right, he's sort of a he's not a

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<v Speaker 2>I think in a place like Berkeley for the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>Look the Porter story. Aside from the fact that you

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<v Speaker 2>episodes of this here in the last couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually the debate that you referenced Lucretia between Spanberger and

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<v Speaker 2>the Winsome Seers. The moderator of the debate three times

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<v Speaker 2>when after Spanberger's saying, so you're not disavowing the guy,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not retracting your endorsement, and she do a word

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<v Speaker 2>cloud and the person would repeat it. Democrats are not

429
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<v Speaker 2>used to that. I am wondering if things like the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Post trying to turn over a new leaf, which

431
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<v Speaker 2>they're really taking serious steps finally to do. Barry Weiss,

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<v Speaker 2>the Rye Fagetts CBS News. I wonder if some people

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<v Speaker 2>in the media are starting to say, god, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>we actually do have to step up our game and

435
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<v Speaker 2>be a little more even handed, even if they don't

436
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<v Speaker 2>think that way, even if they don't change their bias,

437
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<v Speaker 2>and it's maybe happening too late. Right, yes, they kill

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<v Speaker 2>the I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody's watching Broke broadcast news anymore. They're all watching Fox.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even think they're doing that. John, I think

442
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<v Speaker 4>that people younger than us get all of their news

443
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<v Speaker 4>from uh social media.

444
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<v Speaker 2>From online sources.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet, TikTok, I don't think it's just social media.

446
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<v Speaker 3>And YouTube live streams of podcasts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yep, absolutely, Okay. I still think that if you

448
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<v Speaker 4>are fat and ugly, you should be nice. That's just

449
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<v Speaker 4>my my advice to Katie Porter, you should be a

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<v Speaker 4>nicer person. But she seems to double down on being

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<v Speaker 4>all together horrible. So moving on, we are going to

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<v Speaker 4>discuss just for a minute, because Steve says says, we

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<v Speaker 4>have I have too many topics, but I do want

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<v Speaker 4>to tie them all together at the end in an

455
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<v Speaker 4>interesting way. But I want to quickly talk about retribution

456
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<v Speaker 4>and political law fair by Trump against his political enemies,

457
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<v Speaker 4>and wonder if you guys when you're you know, I heard,

458
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<v Speaker 4>oh god, I heard fat tush Tish out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm gonna I'm gonna cut you off from the bar.

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<v Speaker 3>But Lucretia does not mean she says this in the

461
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<v Speaker 3>most loving way.

462
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<v Speaker 4>Here's the problem. If you are an ugly person, then

463
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<v Speaker 4>I see you as an ugly then lookism takes over.

464
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<v Speaker 4>If you are a great person, I don't care how

465
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<v Speaker 4>deformed you are or any of those other things. I'll

466
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<v Speaker 4>think you're beautiful. So the problem with fat tush Tish

467
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<v Speaker 4>is she's just an awful person, just like Big Fanny

468
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<v Speaker 4>Willis and all those other people. I'm sorry, it's just

469
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<v Speaker 4>it's the truth. And Katie, okay, move along, move okay. Anyway, anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>Koby got indicted, Tish got indicted. Maybe maybe what's her

471
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<v Speaker 4>name from the fed or get indicted. Maybe more people

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<v Speaker 4>will get indicted. Is this what you my friend John

473
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<v Speaker 4>way back when when you were actually you went to

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<v Speaker 4>a conference as I recall and debated a liberal Oh yeah,

475
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<v Speaker 4>said that it's okay, you know, we can do all

476
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<v Speaker 4>of these things to Trump because there's no way that

477
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<v Speaker 4>they're going to do it back to us. And you said, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>yes we.

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<v Speaker 3>Are, and yeah, you know, yeah, I mean it's one. Uh,

480
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<v Speaker 3>the case against Kobe is going to be hard to

481
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<v Speaker 3>win is that. You know we talked about that, right,

482
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<v Speaker 3>That's just it's you know, he says he didn't say something,

483
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<v Speaker 3>someone else says he did say something. Jury has to

484
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<v Speaker 3>decide who's more credible. The Justice Department doesn't like to

485
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<v Speaker 3>bring cases like that when it's a fifty to fifty

486
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<v Speaker 3>coin flip. Letitia James is an easier case, I would

487
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<v Speaker 3>think to win because it's just a matter of you

488
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<v Speaker 3>said this on your mortgage application, is it true or not?

489
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<v Speaker 3>And it was obviously not true. It wasn't her primary residence.

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<v Speaker 3>And the delicious part of it is that it is

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<v Speaker 3>exactly the same thing that she used Donald Trump of

492
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<v Speaker 3>doing of you right, misrepresenting his his assets on his

493
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<v Speaker 3>mortgage application. So look, I would love to live in

494
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<v Speaker 3>a world where there was no law fair. But they

495
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<v Speaker 3>started it right. This is Letitia James started it Komey

496
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<v Speaker 3>tried to entrap the President himself in an obstruction of

497
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<v Speaker 3>justice investigation, which he succeeded in doing. And I don't

498
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<v Speaker 3>see how this can be brought to an end unless

499
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<v Speaker 3>both sides are willing to retaliate. And so I don't think,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I wish that these lawsuits were not necessary,

501
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<v Speaker 3>but I don't see how to stop the future. Letitia

502
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<v Speaker 3>Grahames and Alvin Braggs and your friend Fanny Willis and

503
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<v Speaker 3>Jim Comey's from ever doing this again unless they suffer

504
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<v Speaker 3>at the hands of it. Unfortunately, I mean, I used

505
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<v Speaker 3>I use this example. The Special Council of the Special

506
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<v Speaker 3>Council was used exclusively against Republicans and it wasn't dropped

507
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<v Speaker 3>by Congress until Bill Clinton suffered at the hands of

508
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<v Speaker 3>Kent Starr.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, oh wait a minute, and that Linda Greenhouse,

510
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<v Speaker 2>the Greenhouse effect is always called at the Times, right, said,

511
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<v Speaker 2>oh you know what Scalia was right after all? And

512
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<v Speaker 2>Morrison versus Olsen, who knew. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have one, just minor point to bring up

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<v Speaker 4>with both of you guys, what you think about I

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<v Speaker 4>read the funniest article today about fat Tish picking Abby

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<v Speaker 4>Abby Abby the lawyer Abby Lowell.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, he's a very he's a very good best

518
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<v Speaker 3>criminal defense.

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<v Speaker 4>The interesting thing was is that they outlined all of

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<v Speaker 4>the famous Democrats that he'd taken their case, and he's

521
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<v Speaker 4>lost big on all of them. And the upshot of

522
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<v Speaker 4>the article was he's such a good lawyer that his

523
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<v Speaker 4>reputation doesn't suffer from the fact that he's willing to

524
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<v Speaker 4>take cases that he has no chance of winning, like

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<v Speaker 4>the Hunter Biden case and so on. And I just

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<v Speaker 4>wonder what you thought about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh interesting?

528
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<v Speaker 3>And when you're I mean, if you're a federal criminal

529
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<v Speaker 3>defense lawyer, you know, just to get the sentence reduced,

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<v Speaker 3>our charge dropped as a major victory, because to get

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<v Speaker 3>acquitted is you know, I think there's some statistic like

532
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<v Speaker 3>a conviction rate in federal court is like way is

533
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<v Speaker 3>over ninety percent. You just don't have a chance of winning. Absolutely.

534
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<v Speaker 3>The best you can do is limit the DAMAGEA.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry sorry before you go on. Is that because it

536
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<v Speaker 4>takes so much to get an indictment in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>Or what it's because usually the Justice Department does not

538
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<v Speaker 3>bring a case unless they think they're going to win.

539
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<v Speaker 3>If you have evidence, but you don't think you're not

540
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<v Speaker 3>sure you're going to win, And usually the prosecutors will say,

541
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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to bring the case. That's why it

542
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<v Speaker 3>was so outrageous. What you know Jack Smith did and

543
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<v Speaker 3>the special counsel did and what Komi did is they,

544
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<v Speaker 3>like I said, where they violated core principles that the

545
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<v Speaker 3>Justice warn't bringing these made up charges you know, first

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<v Speaker 3>in their time arguments about statutes, applying to the president

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<v Speaker 3>so on. They I mean, they were the ones who

548
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<v Speaker 3>violated Justice Department procedure. But I actually say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's actually true. What the Times

550
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<v Speaker 3>are people saying about Lowell. I mean, I don't like

551
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<v Speaker 3>Hunter Biden. I think he should not have been anywhere

552
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<v Speaker 3>near guns, drugs, or public power. But Lowell actually got

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<v Speaker 3>him off pretty well. I mean, the guy is not

554
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<v Speaker 3>going to do much jail time for all the terrible

555
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<v Speaker 3>things he did, but he had before that, but he

556
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<v Speaker 3>had him down to like very I think very little

557
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<v Speaker 3>jail time, like he was probably gonna do like a year.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that was and getting the pardon was also

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<v Speaker 3>right Lowell at work because Biden had remembered previously promised

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<v Speaker 3>he wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a simpler theory about Lowell, which is, I

562
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<v Speaker 2>remember that guy from the Iran Contra hearings. He was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the chief councils for that joint committee. That

564
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<v Speaker 2>was what nineteen eighty seven, so nearly forty years ago now,

565
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<v Speaker 2>and I thought he was horrible. The other council was

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur Lyman, who he goes way back to the McCarthy era.

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<v Speaker 2>He must be dead by now, but he was quite good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he yeah. But the point is is, you know Lowell

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the insiders. I'll bet he shows up

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<v Speaker 2>at all the parties at Georgetown. There is that's having

571
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<v Speaker 2>lived in Washington, and you'll know these names. To John

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<v Speaker 2>there is this small circle of people, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>you know they do sort of lean one way or

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<v Speaker 2>the other to the parties that you go to and

575
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<v Speaker 2>you have these problems. So I think Lowell's at the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the speed dialists along with the other guy

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<v Speaker 2>I always said I would hire if I got in

578
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<v Speaker 2>trouble in Washington. Plaano cacheris just because of miss right,

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<v Speaker 2>can I say he was Montica Lewinski's lawyer, but he's.

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<v Speaker 3>A famous solicited of is So I needed to hire

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<v Speaker 3>a lawyer, and I, you know, I would not hire

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<v Speaker 3>a connected lawyer or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>What I want? What I chose.

584
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<v Speaker 3>I wanted the meanest son of a bitch that you

585
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<v Speaker 3>could get, and so I picked Miguelistrata. Oh yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 3>not only smart and you know, both argue the Supreme

587
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<v Speaker 3>Court and try cases. But he'd been screwed over by

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrats, right, they held up his confirmation in the

589
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<v Speaker 3>DC Circuit and then there's this outrageous hearings where he

590
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<v Speaker 3>got screwed over by Schumer. That's the kind of guy

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be my criminal defense lawyer. And he

592
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.200
<v Speaker 3>just kicked the crap out of everybody. That's what that's

593
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<v Speaker 3>the kind of guy. You don't want someone who's, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>glad having a party. You want someone who's pissed off.

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<v Speaker 4>Smith get.

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<v Speaker 3>If he's smart, he would call it Miguelistrada Lucretia. That's

597
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<v Speaker 3>the thing. Like Lucretia. If you ever have more legal problems,

598
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<v Speaker 3>because god, you must get so many defamation lawsuits, you

599
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 3>should hire me. I would, you know, you know me,

600
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<v Speaker 3>I would, I would leave. I would burn down everything

601
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<v Speaker 3>to win.

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<v Speaker 4>And remember, so the funniest thing is is that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>John has this photographic memory. If you want to ask

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<v Speaker 4>him about some obscure case from the eighteen twenties, he

605
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<v Speaker 4>will name of it and all the important legal theories

606
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<v Speaker 4>in it, but he won't remember what we discussed a

607
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<v Speaker 4>month ago. I think that's a guy thing too. But

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<v Speaker 4>here's the interesting thing. At what point Lucretia was being

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<v Speaker 4>persecuted brought up on charges being threatened at her university

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<v Speaker 4>Because in a debate before the twenty twenty four election,

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<v Speaker 4>I had made the comment when somebody started namming Mam

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<v Speaker 4>and mam and man insurrection, I said, well, that was

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<v Speaker 4>a really lousy insurrection as insurrections go, I said, because

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<v Speaker 4>nobody brought any guns and they didn't accomplish anything, and

615
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<v Speaker 4>blah blah blah. Anyway, that I guess was very triggering.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you know, complaints were lodged with the provost

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<v Speaker 4>and with the oie what's that called the title nine?

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, just on and on and so I

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned it to John, and John says, oh, if they

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<v Speaker 4>do anything, I'll take your case. I'll take your case

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<v Speaker 4>for free. So the next opportunity I had, I said,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe you just want to talk to my lawyer about this. John, you,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure you've heard of him, not a word since

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<v Speaker 4>In fact.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I love it. I didn't know this. I forgot this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is great you forgot.

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<v Speaker 4>But here's the even funnier thing. So they said that

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<v Speaker 4>they were going to send General Counsel, someone from the

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<v Speaker 4>General Counsel's office to the college to give a talk

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<v Speaker 4>on appropriate uses of academic freedom in a political setting

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<v Speaker 4>by university employees. And it was all set up, and

632
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<v Speaker 4>then John Hugh's name came up as my personal attorney

633
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<v Speaker 4>and alone and behold, they didn't have time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's awesome.

635
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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

636
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know I'm talking right. We're talking about me

637
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 3>coming to your campus to do a lecture. So you

638
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 3>should tell them. I want to stop by and say

639
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 3>hi to these guys. I was just I know, I

640
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<v Speaker 3>want to let's add that to the schedule. I want

641
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<v Speaker 3>to introduce myself to the German council down there and

642
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.599
<v Speaker 3>just let them know that you know, I'm watching.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of Steve wanted to mention this. I didn't. I

644
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<v Speaker 4>didn't put it on our list, but I do want

645
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<v Speaker 4>to mention it quickly because just to see what you guys,

646
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.960
<v Speaker 4>think about it. My university is actually one of the

647
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<v Speaker 4>nine on Trump's list.

648
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.599
<v Speaker 2>And wait list for what I am.

649
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 4>Okay, well, I'm getting to it on Trump's list of

650
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 4>universities that, for some reason, the some people in the

651
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 4>Trump administration have determined are open to the idea of,

652
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<v Speaker 4>how shall we say, removing the leftist orthodoxy that has

653
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<v Speaker 4>been so dominant for the last fifty sixty years in

654
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<v Speaker 4>our universities. It's either because the president and the senior

655
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 4>leadership at the universities are open to it, or perhaps

656
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:17.519
<v Speaker 4>the governing board.

657
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<v Speaker 2>But there's a compact, right, yeah, I've got it right here.

658
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<v Speaker 4>Okay, you tell them you could go from here, Steve.

659
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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean it's been in the news and

660
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<v Speaker 2>mit I think yesterday or today said no, we're not

661
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<v Speaker 2>for it. But the compact for academic excells and higher education,

662
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's got always conditions in it, and it's a

663
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>mixed bag of things. Just pick on one number two

664
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<v Speaker 2>of all the different conditions of the marketplace of ideas.

665
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.400
<v Speaker 2>They want no single ideology dominant. I'm quoting here both

666
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 2>along political and other relevant lines. Signatories commit themselves to

667
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>revising government structures as necessary to create such environment. So

668
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>it goes on from there. Lots of pretty formal, well

669
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<v Speaker 2>thought through languae which and it does.

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<v Speaker 4>Controversial students.

671
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, limit the number of band your national students, Oh,

672
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Speaker 2>limit your tuition increases. That's some of the business side

673
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 2>of it. It's the content side that's the most I

674
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 2>think important of it.

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00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.719
<v Speaker 4>Actually, that's because you're not you've never been an administrator

676
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<v Speaker 4>at the universe.

677
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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I understand all that. I'm for all that.

678
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what's his name in Indiana, Mitch Daniels. He

679
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 2>proved that you can prol costs and still run a

680
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.920
<v Speaker 2>first class university. That's all very corrupt. But the bigger

681
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:35.719
<v Speaker 2>problem I think would interests us is how corrupt they

682
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>are intellectually right, all other stuff they look, if Harvard

683
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow cut their tuition in half and got rid of administrators,

684
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.199
<v Speaker 2>we'd still be mad at it for their intellectual content

685
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be right. That's why that's more important.

686
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:48.159
<v Speaker 4>Yea.

687
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do care about all the other stuff,

688
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 2>but that's the easy stuff. It's creating intellectual balance. It's

689
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>the harder part.

690
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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

691
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<v Speaker 2>And I was, well, I'll stop there. I'm not sure

692
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 2>what else you wanted to say of several observations about it.

693
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<v Speaker 2>But I think I don't think it was pick picked.

694
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they picked those people of those universities

695
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 2>because they're indicated a willingness. I mean, MIT has already

696
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 2>said a hard No. I think it's because they want

697
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<v Speaker 2>to pick on some of them and target them.

698
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<v Speaker 4>That's not what they said. You're probably right, see, but

699
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<v Speaker 4>they did say that there had to be some there

700
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<v Speaker 4>had to be some sense that either the leadership or

701
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:31.440
<v Speaker 4>the governing board was open to having these kinds of

702
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 4>discussions in the first place.

703
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was no.

704
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<v Speaker 4>Maybe that was just fluff.

705
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, But do you think I read that

706
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 3>the chairman of the Border Regents in the University of

707
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Texas said that he was honored that University of Texas

708
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 3>was on the list and that he intended to reach

709
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 3>the agreement with the administration about it.

710
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 4>So I was I was listening to an earlier podcast

711
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 4>that we had done where we actually discussed when Trump

712
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:05.679
<v Speaker 4>first went after Harvard and John kept John kept coming

713
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 4>up with, aren't you guys worried that in the future,

714
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, when the Democrats get back in power, if

715
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.320
<v Speaker 4>and you know, that's always a worry, but it brings

716
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.119
<v Speaker 4>me to a deeper question. I'm not sure how well

717
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:26.239
<v Speaker 4>this compact proposal is going to work, But how else

718
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 4>would you would you ferret out the absolute orthodoxy? You

719
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 4>know that that is rampant across almost every university and

720
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 4>almost even even into the stem fields. Not so much

721
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 4>that they're grabbed ideologue's there, but they don't have a

722
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 4>choice but to go along with it. How would you

723
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 4>do that otherwise?

724
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 3>So well, so, I do think the federal government's allowed

725
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:56.079
<v Speaker 3>to fund the things that wants to fund. I don't

726
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 3>think they have an obligation to, you know, distribute money

727
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.679
<v Speaker 3>even to different universities. But I think the only way

728
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 3>to beat them is what you're starting to see with

729
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.400
<v Speaker 3>these civic schools. You know, there's one at Arizona, there's

730
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.880
<v Speaker 3>one at Texas. There will never be one in Berkeley,

731
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 3>but you know that's going to provide competition.

732
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:15.159
<v Speaker 4>You know.

733
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.079
<v Speaker 3>I've heard stories from friends of mine who are shocked,

734
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.639
<v Speaker 3>shocked that their children want to go to big state schools,

735
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.760
<v Speaker 3>who want to go to big SEC schools in particular

736
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.880
<v Speaker 3>because they think they're going to be treated more fairly

737
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 3>there and that they're going to have access to more

738
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:36.719
<v Speaker 3>right even you know, fair ideological classes. And now that

739
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 3>may not be true, but that's what these kids in

740
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 3>the Northeast and in California all things. So, I think

741
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 3>that people are onto something with these civics programs. You

742
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.679
<v Speaker 3>start offering just alternatives and competition. It can't just be

743
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 3>Hillsdale that's the only competition. Yeah, So I think you're

744
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.880
<v Speaker 3>going to see students and faculty flock to these other

745
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 3>these new programs.

746
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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of way to beat. I think we

747
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 2>should do a whole separate segment on an episode someday

748
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.440
<v Speaker 2>about some of these schools. I'll be visiting some here

749
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 2>next semester. I don't want to go off on it

750
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Speaker 2>now because it'll take us too far afield. I have

751
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>a somewhat simpler suggestion for public universities. So look, you know,

752
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 2>I got curious some years ago about provost. I mean,

753
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.480
<v Speaker 2>know what a dean is, what's a provost? And it's

754
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of murky, but in my sort of practical business,

755
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 2>private sector mind, provost, to my mind, is the chief

756
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 2>quality control officer of a university. All the hirings have

757
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:38.159
<v Speaker 2>to go through a provost. Right, Lucretia and tenure promotion decisions,

758
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.119
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of curriculum stuff, including I think even

759
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.440
<v Speaker 2>course approval. The provost has a say, but not so

760
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>much as that.

761
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.000
<v Speaker 4>Okay at big universities, no, but but program approval, program

762
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 4>changes except yes, okay.

763
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that for public universities, the legislature and governors

764
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>ought to say, we are going to pass a law

765
00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Speaker 2>if you have to saying we're going to approve the

766
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.199
<v Speaker 2>selection provosts, and here are the kind of people we

767
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 2>want as provosts. You want provosts at these universities who say, no, sorry,

768
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>gender studies, you have to shrink by half and then

769
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>another half next year or something like that. No, you

770
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>cannot promote this lunatic who publishes all this crap. No

771
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 2>you cannot have a course in why Christopher Columbus is

772
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the greatest general silent whatever you pick, the politically incorrect stuff.

773
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>That's what provosts ought to be doing at these universities.

774
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.599
<v Speaker 2>They could actually make real changes into the intellectual climate.

775
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 2>And you know they ought to say. What's Thomas Soul's

776
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 2>great line is, next time you hear a university boast

777
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:36.039
<v Speaker 2>about his diversity, ask how many Republicans they have in

778
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.079
<v Speaker 2>the sociology department. So without doing that, I don't think

779
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 2>you should have a partisan test. But I do think

780
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 2>you could say to the political science department, history department,

781
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.280
<v Speaker 2>do you have any military historians, history department, diplomatic historians?

782
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Do you have anybody who studies, you know, American history

783
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.599
<v Speaker 2>from the traditional point of view? You don't think that works?

784
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.280
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't. I will tell you that I know

785
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 4>too many military historian Well, okay, I get that.

786
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 2>But in political science you could say, no, we don't

787
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 2>want a political theorist as all as crap. We want

788
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.159
<v Speaker 2>somebody who oh well, I'll just in the.

789
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<v Speaker 4>Same way stup for a second, in the same I mean,

790
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<v Speaker 4>on the one hand, I wanted to dismiss what you're saying,

791
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:19.639
<v Speaker 4>but then I think about the kinds of job postings

792
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 4>that have been out there for faculty over the last

793
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 4>few years, and you have to be you know, you're

794
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 4>an English teacher who teaches critical race theory and transgender

795
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 4>empathy studies, and you know, and progress.

796
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Promost to be saying I'm sorry, you may not post

797
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 2>that advertisement period. And the story right, that's what now, look,

798
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.599
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, sort of hardcore. But you know, as

799
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, John, the new provost in Harvard is John Manning,

800
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 2>who is not as conservative as say Lucretia, but who

801
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 2>is and you know he's not a wild eye leftist, right.

802
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I actually I think the real subtext here is well,

803
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.760
<v Speaker 2>back up. There was a story in the Wall Street

804
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Journal a month or two ago that Harvard's been thinking

805
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>about a center for you know, some conservative thought or

806
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.920
<v Speaker 2>something like that, or you know, a civics program like

807
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 2>the other places have. And everyone said, oh, that's a

808
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 2>response to Trump. I happen to know from insight sources,

809
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Harvard was thinking about this a year ago, months before

810
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the election. I actually think that Garber, the new president,

811
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and Manning and a few other people they know they

812
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.159
<v Speaker 2>have a problem. I actually think they have the intentions

813
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.440
<v Speaker 2>to try and fix it. But it's really hard to do.

814
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>That's why you need mean you need mean so ob

815
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.599
<v Speaker 2>John Wayne style provosts. That's what we need. You'd have

816
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 2>to post.

817
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 3>You're the kind of character provosts are generally mealy mouth balancer.

818
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Right, That's how they get the job, trying to please.

819
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Every exactly, trying to please everybody. Yeah, very hard to

820
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<v Speaker 3>have actually any real like who's haying actually what you

821
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 3>think is even academic leader. Well, you know, the president.

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00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 4>I do want you to know that the provosts long

823
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 4>gone who hired me as dean, invited Harvey Mansfield, Yeah,

824
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.440
<v Speaker 4>to speak at our university.

825
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 2>There, there's a there's a few here and there. Yeah.

826
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 3>Become a university president generally by being you know, sort

827
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.239
<v Speaker 3>of nailing mouth, a little worm who doesn't want to

828
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.039
<v Speaker 3>actually take a strong stand on any right.

829
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<v Speaker 2>Raise money. Yeah, the right. You have to have a

830
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 2>spinal removal surgery before you can be a college president. Yeah.

831
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<v Speaker 3>I have this great story my friend does Jesse Choper,

832
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.360
<v Speaker 3>who was a great professor at Berkeley. He was dean

833
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.119
<v Speaker 3>at Berkeley for ten years, and he said, being the

834
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<v Speaker 3>dean is like, hey, this goes to your you know,

835
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<v Speaker 3>the the toast we had at the beginning of the show,

836
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<v Speaker 3>he said, being the dean is like being the fire

837
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<v Speaker 3>hydrant at a dog convention.

838
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And he was kind of out on the left,

839
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.119
<v Speaker 2>but a serious guy, an interesting guys in academics. He

840
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<v Speaker 2>was a conservative, Like he didn't was affirmative action. Oh

841
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that.

842
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's but sadly that's

843
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:57.599
<v Speaker 3>how you define what's conservative.

844
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.800
<v Speaker 4>Right, We tie this all together in a funny way

845
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 4>and just say that it so. The Trump administration is

846
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 4>going after universities because that is a you know, the

847
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.679
<v Speaker 4>bulwark of the left. They've gone after entertainment if you

848
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 4>think about it. By the way, Milania Trump has a

849
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 4>documentary coming out and that's and she's a co producer

850
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 4>of it. It's supposedly a very big deal. They're going

851
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:38.000
<v Speaker 4>after the leftist under what would you call them shadowy

852
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 4>networks that that are funding Antifa and a lot of

853
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.559
<v Speaker 4>you know, radical leftist causes. They're going after them a

854
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 4>little bit untouchable style, you know, going after the actual

855
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:57.960
<v Speaker 4>money behind it and looking for violations of tax law

856
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.159
<v Speaker 4>and other things like that. Among the things. They're going

857
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:07.079
<v Speaker 4>after Jack Smith and the people that were subjecting Trump

858
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.639
<v Speaker 4>and and Maga people the law fair. They're going after

859
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:17.639
<v Speaker 4>crime in the cities, especially in now. We could say

860
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:20.400
<v Speaker 4>that there are cities because Trump is a racist, and

861
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 4>there are cities that are led by blacks.

862
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Or an organism. The whitest city in America is nine white.

863
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.719
<v Speaker 2>So you can't say that about Portland. Yes, it's Stockholm?

864
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.119
<v Speaker 4>Well can It's just not true? Which is pretty much

865
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:41.280
<v Speaker 4>them o. The modus operandi of the left these days.

866
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:43.320
<v Speaker 4>You say what you want, regardless of whether or not

867
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.400
<v Speaker 4>it's true. But I want to know. I looked up,

868
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 4>just for the fun of it, I put civil war

869
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:55.679
<v Speaker 4>into Google and got literally thousands of hits about all

870
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 4>of these people that says that say, we're on the

871
00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 4>brink of civil war.

872
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 3>What do you guys think that's crazy?

873
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 4>What?

874
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't think so crazy. Why why are we

875
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 3>on the brink of a civil war?

876
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.920
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy? Well, I think we are. Well, well, look

877
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 2>we discussed this what a year ago or a year

878
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and a half ago, and it was all kind of

879
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 2>as crazy then too well, but look, I mean I

880
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:23.320
<v Speaker 2>could My thought was it could start. Actually, this may

881
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 2>get misinterpreted. It could happen from the right where if

882
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 2>you had a rebel administration did something really egregious, you

883
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.800
<v Speaker 2>would see, you know, tea party types or whatever. You'd say,

884
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:34.800
<v Speaker 2>you're surrounding federal buildings in Saint Louis and Milwaukee and

885
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 2>places like that. Now, let's choose. On the other foot,

886
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.039
<v Speaker 2>I think Chicago blinked in the last forty eight hours.

887
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:44.760
<v Speaker 2>The news out Friday is that Chicago's police are now

888
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.599
<v Speaker 2>arresting and interposing themselves between protesters and federal buildings and

889
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, ICE officers and ICE operations and so forth,

890
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 2>because there was loose talk earlier in the week from

891
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Mayor Johnson saying I am going to order my police

892
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 2>to protect the protesters from the National Guard troops that

893
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Trump may decide to send in. Now, that's all I

894
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 2>guess in limbo. I don't keep up from hour to hour.

895
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 2>But the point is that starts to look like a

896
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Fort Sumter moment to me. Uh, you know, if you

897
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 2>actually have there and.

898
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Some other states, there's no serious no serious state is

899
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:19.280
<v Speaker 3>going to try to secede. I mean, no state's going

900
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:20.000
<v Speaker 3>to actually.

901
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Put But it.

902
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:23.559
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't resource.

903
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.159
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be secession, john It only needs

904
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:30.400
<v Speaker 2>to be you know, actual shooting violence between two units

905
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.039
<v Speaker 2>of government in our country, and then we have a crisis.

906
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if if the Chicago police would be ordered

907
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 3>to attack the National Guard, they'd be squashed like bugs.

908
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:43.519
<v Speaker 3>I mean, well, military so has so much more firepower

909
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.280
<v Speaker 3>police police officers, and I don't think the police officers

910
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.239
<v Speaker 3>would obey. You're really doesn't.

911
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Assume well maybe not, but the fact the fact that

912
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:56.000
<v Speaker 2>we're even being told even have people in public office

913
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 2>in Illinois talking this way is a moment that I

914
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.360
<v Speaker 2>don't think John, you would ever anticipated.

915
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean we I mean it was much worse

916
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:05.760
<v Speaker 3>in reaction to Brown in the South. I mean, that's

917
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 3>real defiance federal law. You really had governors and trying

918
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:11.480
<v Speaker 3>to write in.

919
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I like to say, at least democrats have been consistent.

920
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 2>They opposed troops and now they opposed Trump, so at

921
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:21.639
<v Speaker 2>least they're consistent.

922
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:28.199
<v Speaker 4>Dichotomy, John, for you to come in upon Trump is

923
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:35.400
<v Speaker 4>claiming the power to send either to nationalize state National

924
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:39.800
<v Speaker 4>Guard troops or uh yeah, to do that, but send

925
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:45.079
<v Speaker 4>them elsewhere and use them to protect federal property and

926
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 4>to ensure that the operations of the federal government. All

927
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 4>of this under the Insurrection Act, which was passed originally

928
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:55.159
<v Speaker 4>I believe in the Jefferson years in eighteen o seven,

929
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:58.639
<v Speaker 4>and then it was amended in actually earlier he won,

930
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.199
<v Speaker 4>and then again in the in the nineteen fifties to

931
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:03.320
<v Speaker 4>do exactly what you were talking about, which is to

932
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:14.119
<v Speaker 4>protect desegregation against Democrats. Of course, of course democrats. So

933
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 4>you have the Insurrection Act, and what do you have

934
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 4>on the left people screaming the problem with the use

935
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.760
<v Speaker 4>of the Insurrection Act is posse commatatis.

936
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they don't understand the law.

937
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:28.400
<v Speaker 4>They don't understand the law.

938
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:29.679
<v Speaker 3>I get that, but.

939
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 4>Don't you also find a little bit of irony in

940
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:38.280
<v Speaker 4>the fact that the Insurrection Act, in its eighteen sixty

941
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 4>one amendments, at least was designed to protect the newly

942
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:47.719
<v Speaker 4>freed slaves, to enforce civil rights law in the reconstruction

943
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.880
<v Speaker 4>period in the South, and so on, and that posse

944
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 4>commatatis was actually agreed to so that the federal government

945
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:01.760
<v Speaker 4>would stop using federal troops to protect newly freed slaves.

946
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean, I think you and Steve are both

947
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:10.760
<v Speaker 3>right in pointing out the parallels of how Southerners pre

948
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, pre Civil War, Southerners after the Civil War,

949
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 3>Southerners after Brown versus Board of Education, and now Democrats

950
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Speaker 3>today all want to oppose the valid enforcement of federal

951
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.800
<v Speaker 3>law when they just happen to disagree with it. Yeah, well,

952
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean, I don't the laws. I don't

953
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.519
<v Speaker 3>think the law is even close on this one. Trump

954
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:35.079
<v Speaker 3>definitely has the power to deploy troops to protect federal funks. Actually,

955
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:36.800
<v Speaker 3>you don't even need This is the interesting thing. You

956
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:39.760
<v Speaker 3>don't even need the Insurrection Act or any law. The president,

957
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:44.159
<v Speaker 3>under the Constitution, as the Supreme Court has said several times,

958
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:48.000
<v Speaker 3>has the power to protect federal agents, federal property, and

959
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.360
<v Speaker 3>to protect the agents when they go out and force

960
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 3>the law. All these other statutes you're talking about give

961
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:56.440
<v Speaker 3>the president broader powers in that. Well, and Trump's not

962
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 3>really going as he's not claimed the Insurrection Act. He's

963
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 3>not going out actually as far as he could go.

964
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:04.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's just saying her modest role is to

965
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.840
<v Speaker 3>protect federal officers. The federal officers are the one who

966
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.559
<v Speaker 3>are enforcing the law, not the military.

967
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, isn't it amusing that Trump, in his typical genius,

968
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.960
<v Speaker 2>is making Democrats come out for states rights and the

969
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Tenth Amendment. They they don't actually cite the Tenth Amendment

970
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 2>because they don't know it, but still it's kind of

971
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:21.159
<v Speaker 2>funny to watch.

972
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.039
<v Speaker 3>But this is interesting thing that judges who have been stopping,

973
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, trying to enjoin the deployment. I think they're

974
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:29.320
<v Speaker 3>all going to be overturned on appeal. They've all been

975
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 3>suddenly discovering the Tenth Amendment right over. But I don't

976
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 3>know what the tenth Amendment here actually provides the right

977
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 3>of states to prevent the enforcement of valid federal law.

978
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.440
<v Speaker 2>That's not in the tenth Well, you know what I mean.

979
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Another term for what's going on is the states are

980
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:46.639
<v Speaker 2>attempting nullification.

981
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:46.960
<v Speaker 4>Right.

982
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 2>It looks very much like nullification to me. And we

983
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 2>remember what Jackson Andrew Jackson threatened South Carolina in eighteen

984
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty nine or whatever.

985
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 3>It was just teaching this in classes. Well, he said, right,

986
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:00.400
<v Speaker 3>he was going to lead an army they have ten

987
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:03.639
<v Speaker 3>thousand they called up ten thousand right militia to invade

988
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:07.000
<v Speaker 3>South Carolina. And he said he would hang the governor

989
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.800
<v Speaker 3>of South Carolina from the tallest tree he could find. Yeah,

990
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:16.119
<v Speaker 3>so you know Trump, oh, personally, jack is going to

991
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:17.400
<v Speaker 3>do it. And I believe he would have done it

992
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 3>in person too.

993
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.639
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the nullification business, I I take. I

994
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.800
<v Speaker 2>have taken pictures over the years of those signs on

995
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 2>you drive into Berkeley City City Live at saying Berkeley

996
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 2>is a nuclear free zone. And of course up on

997
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.519
<v Speaker 2>the hill is the Lawrence Livermore Lab where they develop

998
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.599
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons and have a working nuclear reactor. But of

999
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>course it's a federal facility. But there haven't been. I

1000
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:40.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know there've been pro Maybe there have been forty

1001
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:42.960
<v Speaker 2>fifty years ago protests about it that you know. The

1002
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.639
<v Speaker 2>federal government just said that's cute now, you know, go

1003
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.280
<v Speaker 2>away while we do our work, right, but this is

1004
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:49.920
<v Speaker 2>more serious.

1005
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.320
<v Speaker 3>No, Actually, the protesters don't go up there because it's

1006
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Speaker 3>up a hill and protesters are all usually out of

1007
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:55.840
<v Speaker 3>shape and don't like to walk up.

1008
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:02.679
<v Speaker 2>That's right, right, right. Well, oh oh man.

1009
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.159
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I did tell you when I used

1010
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 3>to get protested on a weekly basis, there was this

1011
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 3>old guy would protest me in a you know, one

1012
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:15.199
<v Speaker 3>of those like electric scooters because he was so out

1013
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 3>of shape he couldn't actually walk back and forth with

1014
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:19.079
<v Speaker 3>a sign. So he got like one of those scooters

1015
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:21.119
<v Speaker 3>from Costco and would go back and forth.

1016
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 4>Have you seen, oh, yeah, video of the protest in Portland. Yeah,

1017
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 4>of these these uh septagenarian a little bit of them. Yeah.

1018
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, so here's the thing. Look, remember I've spent lots

1019
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.719
<v Speaker 2>of time in Portland over the years. The great cliche

1020
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.320
<v Speaker 2>that well that's where Lewis and Clark College was, and

1021
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 2>my best friend until he died, it was there a

1022
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.159
<v Speaker 2>lot I'd go there two three times a year, and

1023
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I was there a year or two ago to speak

1024
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 2>at a black tied dinner. Anyway, the Clicheva Partland is

1025
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Partland is where young people go to retire. And so

1026
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.400
<v Speaker 2>my joke is, all those people look like they're seventy.

1027
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:58.519
<v Speaker 2>They're actually thirty five.

1028
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:07.159
<v Speaker 4>Okay, but but they're they're they're share they're pathetic, they're

1029
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:11.480
<v Speaker 4>cringe and they're standing there with their little ukuleles seeing

1030
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:16.800
<v Speaker 4>these protest songs on behalf of all of the illegal immigrants.

1031
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.480
<v Speaker 4>Not one single person in the entire crowd had a

1032
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.880
<v Speaker 4>tan as good as mine. Never mind, were any of

1033
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.199
<v Speaker 4>them Hispanic or black or anything else. They were all

1034
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 4>lily white liberal. What are they called they call him?

1035
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:34.239
<v Speaker 4>There's a there's a term. I forget it right now,

1036
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.800
<v Speaker 4>but anyway, anyway, sorry, okay. Steve says that he has

1037
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 4>something really great for the end of the show, so

1038
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:45.920
<v Speaker 4>I give him enough time, not that.

1039
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Much time, but anyway, the standard an he's pulling out

1040
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 3>vinyl records and some kind of thing that looks like

1041
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 3>playing let.

1042
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.480
<v Speaker 4>Me let me give you just a few I want

1043
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.039
<v Speaker 4>time for Steve's latest.

1044
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Uh, it's pretty go ahead, go go go flng to me.

1045
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:06.719
<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, uh bablon b. Trump retaliates for Peace

1046
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:11.880
<v Speaker 4>prize snub with picture of the Nobel Committee in sombreros.

1047
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 4>Tell me that wasn't the Oh my god, that was

1048
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 4>so great. And the worst thing about it is is

1049
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 4>that left has no sense of humor.

1050
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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, yes, Oh, I thought you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>woman who did get the Nobel Prize giving full credit

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<v Speaker 2>to Trump forgetting it, which.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, because I think that the Nobel

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<v Speaker 4>Committee probably thought that they were really tweaking Trump, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and instead it really backfired on him. But anyway, Federal

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<v Speaker 4>court overturns Israel Hamas peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Deal, right of course. Well Judge Moosemark orders Hamas and

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<v Speaker 2>Israel to keep fighting. Right, that was the other one, right, James.

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<v Speaker 4>Call me produces letters signed by fifty one former intelligence

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<v Speaker 4>official sayings totally innocent. Yeah, and then this is the

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't talk about it, but Steve is right. We

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<v Speaker 4>don't have that much to say right now until we

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<v Speaker 4>figure out how it all happens. But it's a picture

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<v Speaker 4>of Trump, but the caption underneath it is Hitler brings

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<v Speaker 4>peace to Israel exactly, John, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, always drink your whiskey meat, buy more books and Steve,

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<v Speaker 3>what ai travesty do you have for us today where

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<v Speaker 3>they're throwing even more people out of work?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I have so much fun. I asked chat GBT

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<v Speaker 2>to give us a parody of a John U op

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<v Speaker 2>ed and it gave me. I got several versions. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just going to give you a couple of very short excerpts.

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<v Speaker 2>It gave me The Constitution empowers the President to control

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<v Speaker 2>the weather by Professor John Yu the Manual Kant Distinguished

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<v Speaker 2>Professor of Original Intent at the University of California, Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 2>And another one is like, this doesn't sound like a

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<v Speaker 2>parody yet, yeah, right, and senior fellow at the Center

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<v Speaker 2>for Atmospheric Originalism. All right, just a couple of variants.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got five pages, but I'm gonna give you just

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<v Speaker 2>three short paragraphs which worked pretty well. Okay, cut one.

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<v Speaker 2>James Madison did not spend a human Philadelphia summer crafting

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<v Speaker 2>a week meteorologically impotent executive Keen his colleagues intended a

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<v Speaker 2>president capable of acting with decision activity, secrecy, and dispatch

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<v Speaker 2>quality is indispensable to weather modification. Federals Number seventy. See

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<v Speaker 2>also the Weather Channel versus Reality twenty twenty five. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the case citation. The other one is let's see

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<v Speaker 2>the way.

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<v Speaker 4>The context is John arguing that the president has complete

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<v Speaker 4>and total authority under both Commander in Chief Article two

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<v Speaker 4>to stop her Cain's command the weather.

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<v Speaker 2>So that kind of okay? So cut two of three courts,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, should refrain from second guessing presidential weather decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>The judiciary lacks institutional competence in atmospheric science, as shown

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<v Speaker 2>in Marbury versus Monsoon, the US one Cranch.

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<v Speaker 6>One thirty seven Judicial review over quents judicial review of

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<v Speaker 6>cumulus formation with risk, transforming the Supreme Court into a

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<v Speaker 6>kind of judicial Doppler radar, undermining the separation of barometers.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally, the conclusion, as Hamilton wisely noted in Federal seventy,

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<v Speaker 2>energy and executive is a leading character in the definition

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<v Speaker 2>of good government. It is time we recognize that this

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<v Speaker 2>energy includes literally energy, thermodynamics, barometric pressure, and when necessary,

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<v Speaker 2>tactical cloud seating. In short, a timid president may surrender

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<v Speaker 2>to the whims of nature. A strong one commands the stormy.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great last line, I'm going to use it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is these things are getting almost good enough

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<v Speaker 2>to put us out of work.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, oh, and this is great. I mean I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to start using this thing right in my beds.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, all right, you guys, have a wonderful week,

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<v Speaker 4>Happy Columbus Day. There was a great article I think

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<v Speaker 4>in the Spectator today about oh yeah, we ought to

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<v Speaker 4>stop shying away from celebrating everything great about Columbus hit

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<v Speaker 4>He I won't even use the term family show, but

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<v Speaker 4>he had very big kahons to be able to do

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<v Speaker 4>what he did across the Great Atlantic Ocean five hundred

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<v Speaker 4>years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen the size of the ships they sailed in?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? Yeah? Yeah, right, okay, all right, you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We had like fifteen people watching live, which isn't bad

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<v Speaker 2>for this late in the evening, and thank you listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone is.

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<v Speaker 3>In night out of them really crecious dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, bye, everybody, see you soon.

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<v Speaker 5>Across the wide and rolling sea to a far and

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<v Speaker 5>distant shore. Then save three tiny wood and ships where

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<v Speaker 5>Nune had sailed before, and of the sailing tramite, all

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<v Speaker 5>the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Would know the name.

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<v Speaker 5>The Nuna, the Pinta, the Santa Maria and great would

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<v Speaker 5>be their thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And great would be the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>On the same the ocean wind to prove that the

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<v Speaker 5>world was round. It's my saving. To the west, lat

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<v Speaker 5>anew route could be found to the fable sanities of

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<v Speaker 5>the east.

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<v Speaker 2>With a wondrous wealth, Untold.

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<v Speaker 5>Evoldy would returned again with spice, silk and gold.

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<v Speaker 2>With Ricochet join the conversation.