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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Pod Dave America. I'm Dan Pfeiffer. Joining me

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<v Speaker 1>today is former senior advisor to President Obama David Oxelron.

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<v Speaker 2>You all know Ax.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you've heard him on this pod, listen to either

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<v Speaker 1>of his shows, Hacks on Tap or The Ax Files,

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<v Speaker 1>or you'd likely see him on CNN. AX is an

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<v Speaker 1>all around expert that can speak to anything in democratic politics.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked as to come on the show because I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to someone smart about the midterms, both

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<v Speaker 1>what the map looks like for the Dems after a

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<v Speaker 1>some of the candidates running up and down the ballot.

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<v Speaker 1>I also wanted to talk to him about messaging, namely

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to the show. Here's David oxlrond. What about

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<v Speaker 1>What did you make of what happened in Maine? Because

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to be sort of indicative of a shift

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<v Speaker 1>in the party, a shift in what people are looking for,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a sense of the Senate leadership or the establishment

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<v Speaker 1>is at least in that race and not was not

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<v Speaker 1>in touch with what the voters wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of factors here. One is that

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're in an anti establishment moment, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>true in both parties. I think there is a real

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<v Speaker 2>jaundice about the status quo. You know, I mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, seventy percent of people in polling say the

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<v Speaker 2>system is rigged, is corrupt, and rigged against them. I

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<v Speaker 2>think there is a sense that Washington, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you'll remember back in the day, Dan, when Barack Obama ran.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons he won was because his campaign

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<v Speaker 2>was a full out critique of Washington generally, not just

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<v Speaker 2>the Republicans, but Democrats as well, and the sort of red, red, blue,

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<v Speaker 2>who's up, who's down kind of struggle for power that

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with people's lives lives of principal concerns.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're back there again, and so establishment candidates

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<v Speaker 2>are at a disadvantage. And jam Mills is a perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>good person and served honorably, was very much the establishment candidate,

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<v Speaker 2>and she had the she had the stamp of Senator

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<v Speaker 2>Schumer on her to certify that she was the establishment candidate,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was. She have been seventy nine years old

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<v Speaker 2>when she got sworn in. So part of the other

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<v Speaker 2>discontent people feel after two octogenarian presidents is with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the gerontocracy in Washington, which also speaks to establishment politics.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't feel like the folks in Washington are in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with their lives or focused on their lives. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think Trump has exacerbated it because he ran contending

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<v Speaker 2>that he was and then you know, and now we

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<v Speaker 2>were into you know, ballrooms and monuments, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>graft on a scale we've never seen before. This is

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<v Speaker 2>one place where he says, nobody's ever seen anything like

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<v Speaker 2>this before. He's right about this, Nobody's ever seen corruption

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<v Speaker 2>at this scale before. And so people feel betrayed, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, those who voted for him or who had

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<v Speaker 2>some hope for him, And all of this I think

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<v Speaker 2>makes a candidate like Platner in Maine, you know, appealing

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<v Speaker 2>because he's a grassroots guy. He seems to be speaking

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<v Speaker 2>the language and living the life of people who feel unrepresented.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, but it was stunning the degree to

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<v Speaker 2>which he was able to take that, you know, by storm,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just literally blow the incumbent governor out of

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<v Speaker 2>the race. You know, I actually wonder a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>if he would have been better served by her hanging

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<v Speaker 2>around for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent agree with that. You know, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no need to start for it his for I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>surprised Platner one. I was very frustrated at the DSCC

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<v Speaker 1>and Shumor for endorsing Mills to begin with, for these

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<v Speaker 1>all the reasons you said, just the idea that we

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<v Speaker 1>were just going to decide from on high end Washington

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<v Speaker 1>that our best chance against Susan Collins was a seventy

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<v Speaker 1>nine year old establishment politician. And I say that someone

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<v Speaker 1>who likes Shanet Mills and interviewed her on the shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no she's not. She's but it's just it's.

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<v Speaker 1>The it's the model everyone rejected last time, and Platner

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be. You know, I certainly thought he

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<v Speaker 1>would definitely win prior to all the online posts, and

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<v Speaker 1>then thought he you know, he navigated that well enough

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<v Speaker 1>to survive and then knock her out of the water.

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<v Speaker 1>But he would have been much better off if this

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<v Speaker 1>had gone to the just to beat her, you delay

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<v Speaker 1>the general election by another month instead. Now he's already

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<v Speaker 1>got negatives against him from you know, Prosy's a concert.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't blame her, though. She ran out of money,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not sure that she was that eager to

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<v Speaker 2>hang around just to let him claim the trophy, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the thing, one other thing I think this underscores,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know this from your own career, don't let

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<v Speaker 2>yourself get talked into running for an office you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to run for because it's never going to end well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to be an effective candidate. Uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Platner. By the time she dropped out, he

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<v Speaker 2>had done I think more than fifty town hall meetings

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<v Speaker 2>in the state She had done I think zero, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And if if you guys have a huge listenership. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a nuver closer to zero than fifty. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, there's no doubt about it. Yes, And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know he's hungry for this, and and

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<v Speaker 2>he's eager for it, and he's young, and he's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going after it, and so getting drafted against your will

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<v Speaker 2>is a is a bad way to enter a race.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't back into a race.

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<v Speaker 1>Another race the Democrats are very excited about and very

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<v Speaker 1>interested in is Texas. Our old boss made his first

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<v Speaker 1>campaign appearance of the cycle, getting some tacos with James

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<v Speaker 1>tell Errico and Gina hit A hosta who's running for governor.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump weighed in on the race on his way back

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<v Speaker 1>from China on Air Force One. Let's take a listen

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<v Speaker 1>to what he had to say.

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<v Speaker 3>The Democrats have a weird A weird can today six genders.

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<v Speaker 3>I really hate it. On Jesus, I mean, this guy

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<v Speaker 3>his man news with his mask from relatively recently, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's a vegan. He's a vegan. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not a vegan. He's a vegan home now, all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, he's Texas doesn't like vegans. I do

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<v Speaker 3>believe either one of them will easily win the race.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the candidate the Democrats have in Texas

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<v Speaker 3>is a very lawed, very weak. I think he's a

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<v Speaker 3>pathetic candidate, especially for Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that that Shakespeare thinking about that doth protests

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<v Speaker 2>too much. But you know what's interesting about the dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>in the Republican primary is that the the folks who

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<v Speaker 2>want John Cornyn uh there there, they'll say privately that

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<v Speaker 2>they think taller Eco's too left for Texas. They've got

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of stuff they can take them out. Uh, But

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<v Speaker 2>they're not saying anything because right now, what they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>is tall Rico can win unless we knock Paxson out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Paxton out of the race. If Paxton wins,

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<v Speaker 2>tallar Rico can win. Once this primary is over, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to open up on him, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>along the contours of what Trump is saying. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>he was briefed. A bunch of his guys are working

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<v Speaker 2>on the Corning campaign, but interestingly, he has an endorsed Corning.

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<v Speaker 2>I trust that when Tallarico went out for tacos that

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<v Speaker 2>he had beef for chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that not a vegan as Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, not a van not a vegan. Did he say

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<v Speaker 2>did I hear that right? That he's bad on Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>or something? What did he say that?

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<v Speaker 1>He said he had a hit on Jesus, which references

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm guessing here, which shows I'm way too online.

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<v Speaker 1>The great question. I think it was at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time he said the six genders thing. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know, but this is there have been some

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<v Speaker 1>clips from a speech he gave in twenty twenty I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine or right after that, that have been going around.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Trump has obviously seen those and he is

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. But I'm not sure the idea that James

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary's anti Jesus is going to sell.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I'm sure that he would love to have that

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<v Speaker 2>conversation directly with the president, you know, you can't like

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<v Speaker 2>violate like many of the major ten commandments and then

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<v Speaker 2>start going after someone else over there. Christianity, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean tall Urico is clearly very you know,

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<v Speaker 2>serious about his faith, and that's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>he is where he is because that's translated really well.

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<v Speaker 2>And he you know, he has he has preached the

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<v Speaker 2>gospel of the brotherhood of man, and people who are

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<v Speaker 2>so tired of all this conflict are responding to him.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see what happens. Look, I think Texas is hard.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I have gone through campaigns together where we

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<v Speaker 2>held out hope for states like Missouri at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>and and it always turned out to be fools gold.

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<v Speaker 2>And the question is that the case here. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the wild cards in Texas is that, you know, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>won a solid victory there, but it was with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Hispanic votes, particularly in South Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The the two biggest losses in terms of support for

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<v Speaker 2>Trump have been among Hispanics and young people. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Hispanic voters. I think they're very sensitive to economic issues.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a working class constituency in the main UH

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the the in South Texas, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they were eager for border border control, they weren't eager

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<v Speaker 2>to be racially profiled. And I think because of all

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that Ice has done, combined with the economic stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>he has completely delta way the advantages that he gained

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<v Speaker 2>among Hispanic voters. That puts Texas more in play. It

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<v Speaker 2>also means that they're probably not going to capture all

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<v Speaker 2>the seats they thought they were going to capture when

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<v Speaker 2>they jerry mandered the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Texas is interesting. I think Tallarico is a uniquely

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<v Speaker 1>talented candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's very good.

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<v Speaker 2>He is.

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<v Speaker 3>He is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if anyone can do it, it's James Talerico

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<v Speaker 1>in this year, particularly against Paxton. He you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>the Latino numbers you print out are very notable. Pew

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<v Speaker 1>as a poll out today which shows that Trump's appropriating

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<v Speaker 1>among Latino Trump voters is down thirty points since election

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<v Speaker 1>Day twenty twenty four, which is you know that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a big chunk of voters. You know, we saw this

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<v Speaker 1>in the primary. Right, it's a primary, but tall Rico

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<v Speaker 1>got more primary votes than Kamala Harriscott votes in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four. So there's obviously some persuasions. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not just turn out. There's some persuasion happening here because

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was going to say, just on the Hispanic issue,

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<v Speaker 2>think it's very advantageous for Talla Rico to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to go into churches across Texas, including Hispanic churches, and

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<v Speaker 2>as fluent as he is in scripture. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think Trump is trying to chip away, chip away at that.

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<v Speaker 1>What were you going to say, I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask you about the decision to have

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<v Speaker 1>Texas by thirteen. I think he's got to get a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people to pull the lever for Trump to

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<v Speaker 1>vote for him. Do you think springing Obama was a

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I haven't seen his numbers in Texas, but

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<v Speaker 2>my guess is that looking at his numbers nationally, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not they're not bad. And there is a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Obama's not campaigning that much for candidates at this juncture.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you will, but there is a stature thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of elevates uh tall Rico in the race,

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<v Speaker 2>and he may just want to, you know, because of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole vagan thing. As you said, Trump said, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he just wanted a guy who really appreciated a good

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<v Speaker 2>beef taco.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I look, I think also, I imagine I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to look at it, imagine that Obama's numbers with

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<v Speaker 1>Latino voters, even Latino voters who voted for Trump, are

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<v Speaker 1>quite good. And so with like Tallerco's smart, his campaigns

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<v Speaker 1>be run by smart people. They're they're not just doing

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<v Speaker 1>this because it's good for TikTok views, like they obviously

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<v Speaker 1>not like there are a bunch of Republicans who are

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<v Speaker 1>all the sudden back. Obama shows up for Tacos one

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<v Speaker 1>day in May, like, okay, we're turning out.

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<v Speaker 2>One last thing on this. I mean, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons Trump's going after tall Ico is because it seems

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear that he's decided to stay out of this race.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a presumption that he was going to endorse

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<v Speaker 2>John Cornyn as the most likely candidate to win. He's

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<v Speaker 2>now been convinced that either of them can win. But

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<v Speaker 2>the Paxton question is really an open one because he's

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who's absolutely freighted with scandal, and while he's

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable with some traditional Republican voters in the suburbs around

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<v Speaker 2>the big cities there. I don't think Obama's going to

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<v Speaker 2>play badly with those voters. I don't think it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to hurt Tallarico to have him there with those with

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<v Speaker 2>those voters. So we'll see. But I will say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm wondering, is Iowa ultimately going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>the rank choice voting system against a very weak incumbent

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<v Speaker 2>in Sullivan. Does that give you a better chance. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing when you know you have to win a

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<v Speaker 2>landslide last time against Ricketts, the senator, the Incombing senator,

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<v Speaker 2>assuming that the wave is what we think the wave

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<v Speaker 1>What about What did you make of what happened in Maine?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that seems to be sort of indicative of a

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<v Speaker 1>shift in the party, a shift in what people are

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<v Speaker 1>looking for, maybe a sense of the Senate leadership or

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<v Speaker 1>the establishment is at least in that race, and that

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of factors here. One is that

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're in an anti establishment moment, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>true in both parties. I think there is a real

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<v Speaker 2>jaundice about the status quo. You know, I mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, seventy percent of people in polling say the

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<v Speaker 2>system is corrupt and rigged against them. I think there

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<v Speaker 2>is a sense that Washington. You know, when you'll remember

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, Dan, when Barack Obama ran, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons he won was because his campaign was

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<v Speaker 2>a full out critique of Washington generally, not just the Republicans,

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<v Speaker 2>but Democrats as well, and the sort of red red blue,

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<v Speaker 2>Who's up, Who's down? Kind of struggle for power that

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with people's lives. Lives are print concerns.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're back there again, and so establishment candidates

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<v Speaker 2>are at a disadvantage. And jam Mills is a perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>good person and has served honorably. Was very much the

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<v Speaker 2>establishment candidate, and she had the she had the stamp

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<v Speaker 2>of Senator Schumer on her to certify that she was

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<v Speaker 2>the establishment candidate, and she was. She would have been

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<v Speaker 2>seventy nine years old when she got sworn in. So

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<v Speaker 2>part of the other discontent people feel after two octogenarian

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<v Speaker 2>presidents is with you know, the gerontocracy in Washington, which

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<v Speaker 2>folks in Washington are in touch with their lives or

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<v Speaker 2>focused on their lives. And I think Trump has exacerbated

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<v Speaker 2>it because he ran contending that he was and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and now we were into you know, ballrooms

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<v Speaker 2>and monuments and you know, graft on a scale we've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen before. This is one place where he says,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's ever seen anything like this before. He's right about this,

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody's ever seen corruption at this scale before. And so

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<v Speaker 2>people feel betrayed, you know, you know, those who voted

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<v Speaker 2>all of this I think makes a candidate like Platner

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<v Speaker 2>in Maine, you know, appealing because he's a grassroots guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He seems to be speaking the language and living the

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<v Speaker 2>life of people who feel unrepresented. And I mean, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was stunning the degree to which he was able

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<v Speaker 2>to take that, you know, by storm, I mean just

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<v Speaker 2>literally blow the incumbent governor out of the race. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually wonder a little bit if he would have

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<v Speaker 2>been better served by her hanging around for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent agree with that there was no need

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<v Speaker 1>to start for it his for I'm not surprised Platner won.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very frustrated at the DSCC and tumor for

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<v Speaker 1>endorsing Mills to begin with, for these other reasons. You said,

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Collins was a seventy nine year old establishing politician.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say that someone who likes Shannet Mills and

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, Joe, No, she's not. She's but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>It's the model everyone rejected last time, and Platner turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be. You know, I certainly thought he would

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<v Speaker 1>definitely win prior to all the online posts, and then

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<v Speaker 1>thought he you know, he navigated that well enough to

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<v Speaker 1>he would have been much better off if this had

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<v Speaker 1>gone to the ends to beat her, you delay the

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<v Speaker 1>general election by another month instead. Now he's already got

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<v Speaker 1>negatives against him from you know, prosus a consumper.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't blame her, though she ran out of money,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not sure that she was that eager to

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<v Speaker 2>So the thing one other thing I think this underscores,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know this from your own career, don't let

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to be an effective candidate, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Platner. By the time she dropped out, he

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<v Speaker 2>had done I think more than fifty town hall meetings

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<v Speaker 2>in the state. She had done I think zero, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and if if you guys have a huge listenership. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a number closer to zero than fifty. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, there's no doubt about it. Yes, And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know he's hungry for this and and he's eager

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<v Speaker 2>for it, and he's young, and he's you know, going

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<v Speaker 2>after it, and so getting drafted against your will is

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<v Speaker 2>a is a bad way to enter a race. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>back into a race.

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<v Speaker 1>Another race the Democrats are very excited about and very

435
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<v Speaker 1>interested in is Texas. Our old boss made his first

436
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<v Speaker 1>campaign appearance of the cycle, getting some tacos with James

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<v Speaker 1>tell Rico and Gina hit, a host who's running for governor.

438
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<v Speaker 1>Trump wided on the race on his way back from

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<v Speaker 1>China on Air Force One. Let's take a listen to

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<v Speaker 1>what he had to say.

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<v Speaker 3>The Democrats have a weird a weird can today, six genders,

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<v Speaker 3>a real hate on Jesus. Yeah, I mean this guy

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<v Speaker 3>his bad news with his mask from relatively recently. And

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<v Speaker 3>he's a vegan. He's a vegan. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not a vegan. He's a vegan hole now, all

446
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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden. He said, Texas doesn't like vegans. I

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<v Speaker 3>do believe either one of them will easily win the race.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that the candidate the Democrats have in

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<v Speaker 3>Texas is a very flawed, very weak. I think he's

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<v Speaker 3>a pathetic candidate, especially for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that that Shakespeare thinking about that doc protests

452
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<v Speaker 2>too much. But you know what's interesting about the dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>in the Republican primary is that the folks who want

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<v Speaker 2>John cornynh there, they'll say privately that they think tall

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<v Speaker 2>Ico's too left for Texas. They've got plenty of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>they can take them out, but they're not saying anything

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<v Speaker 2>because right now, what they're saying is tall Ico can

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<v Speaker 2>win unless we knock Paxton out of the Paxton out

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<v Speaker 2>of the race. If Paxton wins, tall Ico can win.

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<v Speaker 2>Once this primary is over, they're going to open up

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<v Speaker 2>on him and they're going to along the contours of

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<v Speaker 2>what Trump is saying. I'm sure he was briefed. A

463
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<v Speaker 2>bunch of his guys are working on the Corning campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>But interestingly, he has an endorsed Cornin. I trust that

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<v Speaker 2>when Tallarico went out for tacos that he had beefer chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that not a vegan as Trump, Yes, not a

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<v Speaker 1>vagan talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About not a vegan. Did he say did I hear

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<v Speaker 2>that right? That he's bad on Jesus or something? What

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<v Speaker 2>did he say that?

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<v Speaker 1>He said he had a hit on Jesus, which references

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm guessing here, which shows I'm way too online.

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<v Speaker 1>The great question. I think it was at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time he said the six genders thing. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know, but this is there have been some

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<v Speaker 1>clips from a speech he gave in twenty twenty I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine or right after that that had been going around.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Trump has obviously seen those and he is

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. But I'm not sure the idea that James

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary goes anti Jesus is going to sell.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm sure that he would love to have that

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<v Speaker 2>conversation directly with the president. You know, you can't like

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<v Speaker 2>violate like many of the major ten commandments and then

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<v Speaker 2>start going after someone else over there. Christianity, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I I mean tall Rico is clearly very

486
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<v Speaker 2>you know, serious about his faith and that's one of

487
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<v Speaker 2>the reasons he is where he is because that's translated

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<v Speaker 2>really well and he you know, he has he has

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<v Speaker 2>preached the gospel of the brotherhood of man, and people

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<v Speaker 2>who are so tired of all this conflict are responding

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<v Speaker 2>to him. So we'll see what happens. Look, I think

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<v Speaker 2>Texas is hard. You and I have gone through campaigns

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<v Speaker 2>together where we held out hope for states like Missouri

494
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<v Speaker 2>at one point, and it always turned out to be

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<v Speaker 2>fools gold. And the question is that the case here.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the wild cards in Texas is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump won a solid victory there, but it was with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Hispanic votes, particularly in South Texas. The

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<v Speaker 2>two biggest losses in terms of support for Trump have

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<v Speaker 2>been among Hispanics and young people. You know, Hispanic voters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're very sensitive to economic issues. There were

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<v Speaker 2>a working class constituency in the main uh and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that the U in South Texas. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>were eager for border border control. They weren't eager to

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<v Speaker 2>be racially profiled. And h I think because of all

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that Ice has done, combined with the economic stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>he has completely dealt away the advantages that he gained

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<v Speaker 2>among Hispanic voters. That puts Texas more in play. It

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<v Speaker 2>also means that they're probably not going to capture all

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<v Speaker 2>the seats they thought they were going to capture when

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<v Speaker 2>they jerry mandered the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Texas is interesting. I think Talarriico is a uniquely

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<v Speaker 1>talented candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's he's very good. He is, he is. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if anyone can do it, it's James Talerico in

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<v Speaker 1>this year, particularly against Paxton. He you know, they his

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<v Speaker 1>The Latino numbers you print out are very notable. P

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<v Speaker 1>has a phole out today which shows that Trump's rating

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<v Speaker 1>among Latino Trump voters is down thirty points since election

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<v Speaker 1>day twenty twenty four, which is you know that that's

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<v Speaker 1>a big chunk of voters. You know, we saw this

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<v Speaker 1>in the primary. Right, it's a primary, but tall Rico

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<v Speaker 1>got more primary votes than Kamala Harriscott votes. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know sometimes I Matigntuto two or three and some of

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<v Speaker 1>these Rio Grand Valley counties she got two or three

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<v Speaker 1>times time votes Kamala Harriscott on election day in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four. So there's obviously some persuasions and this is

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<v Speaker 1>not just turn out. There's some persuasion happening here because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these people, these these Latinos have voted

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump were registered Democrats. So it's it's interesting now.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, just on the Hispanic issue, I

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<v Speaker 2>think one of the reasons Trump Trump is harping on

534
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<v Speaker 2>him and you know in Christ is that I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's very advantageous for tall Rico to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>go into churches across Texas, including Hispanic churches and as

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<v Speaker 2>flu as he is in scripture. And so I think

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is trying to chip away, chip away at that.

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<v Speaker 1>What were you going to say, I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask you about the decision to

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<v Speaker 1>have Obama come to Texas for him, Like, is a

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<v Speaker 1>race where he's got to win. You know, Trump won

543
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<v Speaker 1>Texas by thirteen. I think he's got to get a

544
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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people who pull the lever for Trump to

545
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<v Speaker 1>vote for him. Do you think springing Obama was a

546
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<v Speaker 1>good move?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I haven't seen his numbers in Texas, but

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<v Speaker 2>my guess is that looking at his numbers nationally, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not They're not bad. And there is a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Obama's not campaigning that much for candidates at this juncture.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you will, but there is a stature thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of elevates uh Tallarico in the race, and

553
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<v Speaker 2>he may just want to, you know, because of the

554
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<v Speaker 2>whole vagan thing. As you said, Trump said, maybe he

555
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<v Speaker 2>just wanted a guy who really appreciated a good beef taco.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I look, I think I think also, I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine I'd have to look at it. I imagine that

558
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<v Speaker 1>Obama's numbers with Latino voters, even Latino voters who've voted

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump, are quite good. And so with like Tylerico's smart,

560
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<v Speaker 1>his campaigns be run by smart people. They're they're not

561
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<v Speaker 1>just doing this because it's good for TikTok views, like

562
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<v Speaker 1>they obviously look at their data to suggests that with

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<v Speaker 1>their target voters, Obama is a plus and the other.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like there are a bunch of Republicans who

565
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<v Speaker 1>are going to stay home because they're mad a Trump

566
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<v Speaker 1>and all the sudden back Obama shows up for tacos

567
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<v Speaker 1>one day in May, like, okay, we're turning out.

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<v Speaker 2>One last thing on this. I mean. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons Trump's going after tall Rico is because it seems

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear that he's decided to stay out of this race.

571
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<v Speaker 2>There was a presumption that he was going to endorse

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<v Speaker 2>John Cornyn as the most likely candidate to win. He's

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<v Speaker 2>now been convinced that either of them can win. But

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<v Speaker 2>the Paxton question is really an open one because he's

575
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<v Speaker 2>a guy who's absolutely freighted with scandal, and while he's

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<v Speaker 2>very popular with the republic and base, he could be

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<v Speaker 2>very vulnerable with some traditional Republican voters in the suburbs

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<v Speaker 2>around the big cities there. I don't think Obama's going

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<v Speaker 2>to play badly with those voters. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to hurt Tallery to have them there with those

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<v Speaker 2>with those voters. So we'll see. But I will say,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because of the Fool's Gold ps PTSD, I have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm looking, you know, I look at Iowa

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<v Speaker 2>for example, and I'm wondering, is Iowa ultimately going to

585
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<v Speaker 2>be a better shot than Texas is Alaska with Mary

586
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<v Speaker 2>Peltola and the rank choice voting system against a very

587
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<v Speaker 2>weak incumbent in Sullivan? Does that give you a better chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing. When you you know you have to

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<v Speaker 2>win a couple of states where Trump won by double

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<v Speaker 2>digits in any case, and you want as many opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>as possible. So Democrats can turn to a law to

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<v Speaker 2>Iowa to Texas even and I think it's the longest

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<v Speaker 2>of them, but even Nebraska, you know, where you have

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<v Speaker 2>an independent candidate supported by Democrats who did very well

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<v Speaker 2>in a Trump landslide last time against Ricketts, the senator,

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<v Speaker 2>the incumbent senator, former governor. You know, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a better than fifty to fifty chance that Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>can piece it together, assuming that the wave is what

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<v Speaker 2>we think the wave could be. And remember, the wave

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<v Speaker 2>is more important in these Senate races. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>may peace districts together to hold down the House margin,

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<v Speaker 2>but statewide, you know, harder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the SENTI map is I mean, it's challenging, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it's kind of shocking and it says everything that

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be sitting here now and you'd say it's a

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<v Speaker 1>coin flip that we take the senator. Maybe even a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit better than a coin flip when I look

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<v Speaker 1>at it, you just if you're just doing like most

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<v Speaker 1>likely scenarios, Like I'm sure I would probably pick Alaska

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<v Speaker 1>of the Texas, Ohio, Iowa, Alaska. Probably I'd pick Alaska

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<v Speaker 1>just because of the fact that Mary Pottol was one

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<v Speaker 1>in that state before there is ranked choice voting. Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Sullivan is particularly unpopular. And then you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Ohio, Yeah, and then the other so I think Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, shared Brown came pretty close last time,

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<v Speaker 2>as Trump was carrying the state by double digits, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's running against the senator who was appointed, who's never

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<v Speaker 2>run on his own statewide, and who doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a huge image in the state. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more associated with Trump just by dint

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<v Speaker 2>of of having no real profile. I mean, he'll try

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<v Speaker 2>and be He was DeWine's guy. He'll try and run

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<v Speaker 2>that way, but he can't run away from Trump. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>won't allow him. And it's very hard, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to run away from an incumbent president anyway, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and shared shared Brown was was a economic populist before

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<v Speaker 2>economic populism was cool. So I think, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure that I would rate Alaska over Ohio, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the most likely combination if Democrats are

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<v Speaker 2>to take the Senate would be North Carolina, Maine, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>and Alaska.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sort of stipulating Maine in North Carolina as must

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<v Speaker 1>wins because winning three of the other four is hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he platter is going to you saw a

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<v Speaker 2>David French wrote a very tough column in the New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times this week about him, and I mean not

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<v Speaker 2>that people read that, but that was the tenor of

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<v Speaker 2>what he You know, they're going to go back at

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<v Speaker 2>him with more ferocity. And but Susan Collins, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>after all this time and given the nature of the Times,

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<v Speaker 2>is is a is a really vulnerable candidate, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see for all the reasons we discussed earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Susan Collins thing is interesting because she has been

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<v Speaker 1>like she is a Republican in a state the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>win by nine points. Should beat her, should have beaten

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<v Speaker 1>her in twenty twenty. She's very tough to beat. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been fortunate enough to be able to avoid some of

679
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<v Speaker 1>the worst votes this time around because of the Senate margin.

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<v Speaker 2>They cut her loose to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, she didn't have to vite for over the

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful bill. She got to take a pass on some

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst cabinet appointments. But she still is a

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<v Speaker 1>republican democratic state and one who represents status quo. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a very fascinating race. And the question is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you and I both know the folks working

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<v Speaker 1>on that race is ken Platner with staying what will

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<v Speaker 1>be a massive amount of scrutiny, some of it from

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<v Speaker 1>his own side, because the people a pretty pissed about

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<v Speaker 1>how this race played out and every possible dollar dumped

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<v Speaker 1>on his head with some of the nastiest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean, I think you know time, time

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<v Speaker 2>will tell about that. Yeah. I heard someone told me

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<v Speaker 2>about a focus group in that state, and someone was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Susan Collins and they said she's bipartis she's

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<v Speaker 2>only bipartisan when it doesn't count. Uh, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that some of a lot of voters there

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<v Speaker 2>kind of into it. And you know, she didn't vote

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<v Speaker 2>for all of Trump's Supreme Court nominees, but she voted

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<v Speaker 2>for some.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's the ones accounted for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>As it pointed out to someone that's you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can you can remove a tattoo, but you can't remove

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<v Speaker 2>a Supreme Court justice. So you know that we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>how they goes. It'll be a fascinating, fascinating race. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that that Platner wins the race in the end.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's my hope for sure. You know, both in

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<v Speaker 1>the House in the Senate, everyone keeps saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>campaigns about affordability, affordability, affordability, affordability, Like obviously just saying

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<v Speaker 1>the word affordability is not actually a message. Although you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some Democrats have the habit of reading the stage diructions

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<v Speaker 1>instead of the script, and so they're just saying affordability. Ever, again,

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<v Speaker 1>is a message around affordability and not this need to

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<v Speaker 1>be bigger than that. What do you think Democrats should

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<v Speaker 1>be saying, well, I think I think that we have

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<v Speaker 1>structural issues in our economy.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got the affordability issue is hitting people hard, but

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<v Speaker 2>people have been you know, kind of bobbing in the

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<v Speaker 2>water and not gaining for a long time, and the

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<v Speaker 2>polarity in our economy gets worse, and AI is going

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<v Speaker 2>to turbocharge that, at least in the short run, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>in the long run. And I really think I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that it's necessary to win in November. There are

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<v Speaker 2>there are discrete things you could propose in order to

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<v Speaker 2>win it in this November, But as I said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>largely a referendum. Anybody who runs for president better have

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<v Speaker 2>a much bigger vision about how you reform a system

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<v Speaker 2>that was broken before. I've always you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a mistake to assume that when you run in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight that the message could be We're just going

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of restore everything that Trump knocked down, because

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<v Speaker 2>people weren't that happy with the system before he knocked

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<v Speaker 2>it down. I mean, they didn't feel they were being

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<v Speaker 2>well served, and you know, they felt the system was corrupt,

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<v Speaker 2>they felt was rigged against them, they felt that they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't getting ahead and that's you know, it requires big

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<v Speaker 2>structural kinds of answers that you know, to not only

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<v Speaker 2>to to put some equity into the system, but also

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<v Speaker 2>to genuinely try and reform a system that is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>since our you remember when our boss warned people about

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<v Speaker 2>Citizens United in twenty ten and Justice Alito was deeply

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<v Speaker 2>offended by that and shook his head on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything he said has happened. I mean, we are awash

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<v Speaker 2>in money and dark money and pernicious influence, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it all conspires against working people. So campaign finance reform

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<v Speaker 2>is really important. We also have to think, I think democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what strikes me, Dan is that we have

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<v Speaker 2>this battle going on between the great ideas of the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century and the great ideas of the twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you know, tariffs and no civil service and

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<v Speaker 2>so on from the nineteenth century, and then you know

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<v Speaker 2>sort of ROOSEVELTI and structures in the twentieth century. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the twenty first century, and we ought to

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<v Speaker 2>be thinking about how do we solve the problems of

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<v Speaker 2>today using the tools of today, and not be wetted

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<v Speaker 2>to the old ways of doing things, be wetted to

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<v Speaker 2>creating a country in which people can work hard and

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<v Speaker 2>get ahead, and where we can deal with some of

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<v Speaker 2>our most pressing problems. But don't assume that the way

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<v Speaker 2>we approach them in the twentieth century is necessarily the

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<v Speaker 2>way we have to approach them now. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of room for a genuinely reform oriented candidate

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<v Speaker 2>who has some vision for the future to move this country.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, now you put the quarter in, you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>ten plays.

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<v Speaker 3>But I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I've been thinking a lot about this election,

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<v Speaker 2>and no two elections are alike. But if you were

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<v Speaker 2>going to say, well, what is this election most like,

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<v Speaker 2>it goes back to one that you will not remember

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<v Speaker 2>but I do, which is the election of nineteen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's the first election I ever voted in, when right

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<v Speaker 2>after Watergate, and the country was stunned by what happened

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<v Speaker 2>in Watergate, by the corruption of Richard Nixon, and and

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, you know, there was a real politicization

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<v Speaker 2>of the Justice Department of the CIA of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these I mean, it was it was somewhat analogous

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<v Speaker 2>to what we're facing today. People wanted a cleansing. They

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to give Washington in an angioplasty. They wanted a

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<v Speaker 2>fresh start, and that's how Jimmy Carter emerged. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six. No one would have known who Jimmy Carter

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<v Speaker 2>was at this point, and he became the nominee of

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<v Speaker 2>the party and he won. I don't know who that

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<v Speaker 2>person is, but I think that two things. Qualities of

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<v Speaker 2>character are going to be very important. Empathy, decency, honesty, integrity, humility,

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<v Speaker 2>all the qualities that Trump doesn't have are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be prized in twenty twenty eight. And the second thing

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<v Speaker 2>is I think being an outsider who's willing to really

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<v Speaker 2>challenge orthodoxy in Washington, challenge the institutions on behalf of

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<v Speaker 2>people is going to be a candidate who's well received.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a perfect segue to what I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get to because we're gonna have a little fun here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to play some clips from some twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>potential twenty eight contenders and get your take on them,

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<v Speaker 1>but as messengers what they're saying. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to that, I want to you sat down with AOC

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<v Speaker 1>at the Institute of Politics before a live audience one

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<v Speaker 1>of her answers went quite viral. I'm going to play

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<v Speaker 1>it for audience. I'm gonna ask you about it.

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<v Speaker 7>It was very clear this was a veiled threat. Right,

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<v Speaker 7>So the elite saying, if you want this job, you

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<v Speaker 7>just stepped out of line. They assumed that my ambition

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<v Speaker 7>is positional. They assume that my ambition is a title

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<v Speaker 7>or a seat, And my ambition is way bigger than that.

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<v Speaker 7>My ambition is to change this country. Presidents come and go,

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<v Speaker 7>Senate House seats, selected officials come and go. But single

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<v Speaker 7>payer health cares forever, a living wage is forever, workers

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<v Speaker 7>rite for forever, women's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So a couple of questions on this. Did that answer

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<v Speaker 1>was a worsh ark test for people about whether she

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<v Speaker 1>was going to run for president or not run for president.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to see what do you how did you

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<v Speaker 1>take that? Do you think that means she's planning on

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<v Speaker 1>running for president and planning run for the Senate doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>yet know?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, let me say I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>a really powerful answer. You know, I heard Favreau say

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<v Speaker 2>the other day that if you want to run for president,

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<v Speaker 2>you better know what you believe, and what she was

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<v Speaker 2>saying there is. I'm not in politics for a job.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in politics for goals that might impact positively on

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<v Speaker 2>people's lives, the kind of people who I grew up with,

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of people live all over this country. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think she really means it, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>authenticity is really powerful. That said, if you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she said other things in this answer and elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of conversation that made me think she really

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<v Speaker 2>isn't hungering for that job. And if I were her,

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<v Speaker 2>what I would be thinking is I want to have

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<v Speaker 2>an impact, and I'm not ready to sideline myself. The

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<v Speaker 2>chances of anyone getting elected president, no matter how good

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<v Speaker 2>they are, are limited. And you know, she's thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>years old. Now, she'll be thirty eight. She could walk

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<v Speaker 2>into that Senate seat in New York. And interestingly, with

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<v Speaker 2>this crowd of young people, I said, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>people would like to see you run for president, and

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of them cheered, and I said, others would

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<v Speaker 2>like to see you run for Senator Schumer's seat in

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<v Speaker 2>New York. Louder cheers.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell they were cheering for her to run

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<v Speaker 1>for senator or cheering for the fact that you said

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<v Speaker 1>Schumer was up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, it was definitely a combination of those two things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she's got a high class problem here. She'd

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot of votes if she ran for president.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the way I interpret what she said

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm going to go where I think I can

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<v Speaker 2>continue this fight for those things that I believe in

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<v Speaker 2>and have the most impact I can have right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And that led me to conclude that she is more

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<v Speaker 2>likely headed to the Senate race than to the presidential race.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean nothing, she told me nothing, but was reading

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<v Speaker 2>between the lines. I would be more surprised if she

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<v Speaker 2>ran for president than if she ran for the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>And you and I both know that she would not

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<v Speaker 2>be one of one hundred if she went to the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>She you know, she would. You know, when Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 2>went to the Senate, he was you know, number whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine, ninety eight in the Senate, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>not the ninety eighth member of the Senate. People were

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<v Speaker 2>always interested in what he had to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she I have seen. I worked for as you

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<v Speaker 1>have as well, worked for many politicians who were planning

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<v Speaker 1>to run for president. Who got this question for the

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<v Speaker 1>years releading up to the actual announcement, and the general

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<v Speaker 1>approach is to just start muttering words until the until

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<v Speaker 1>the the question Sto's paying attention, and they're terrible at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the mean, I say this, without any hesitation,

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<v Speaker 1>the best answer I've ever seen if anyone asked that question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I mean, it really does

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<v Speaker 2>help to be motivated by doing something, then by being something.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the world of politics devising these into these

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<v Speaker 2>two cohorts. The people who run because they want to

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<v Speaker 2>be something, and that's the larger cohort, and then the smaller,

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<v Speaker 2>more admirable and the more impactful cohort are the people

877
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<v Speaker 2>who run for office because they want to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>And that doesn't mean they don't have personal ambition, but

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<v Speaker 2>but you really, you know, honestly, I would say this

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<v Speaker 2>anybody runs for president. It's too damn hard to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean just to win, but it's such an

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<v Speaker 2>arduous thing to do. Don't do it unless you know

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<v Speaker 2>why you're doing it, and just you know, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you think that it's such a prize to live in

885
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<v Speaker 2>a gilded prison, you're making a mistake. You know, no

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<v Speaker 2>one ever will no one ever will feel sorry for

887
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<v Speaker 2>a president of the United States. But you do change

888
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<v Speaker 2>your life forever, and it's not all positive. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you basically give up your you know, a lot to

890
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<v Speaker 2>do it. I you know, I think I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that she won't run, and I'm not saying that she

892
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<v Speaker 2>won't run some day, but based on what I heard,

893
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<v Speaker 2>and if I were betting on it, I would bet

894
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<v Speaker 2>that she's going to the one place and not the other.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the same impression that she was, that he

896
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<v Speaker 1>clearly the people who have wanted to be president since

897
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<v Speaker 1>they were seventeen years old. She said, thats it's obviously

898
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<v Speaker 1>the answer. And she's clearly not one of those people.

899
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<v Speaker 2>She said that. She said, I'm not one of these

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<v Speaker 2>people who have been planning my my, you know, planning

901
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.920
<v Speaker 2>my campaign for an office since I was seven, seven

902
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>years old, she said, you know, you we all remember

903
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<v Speaker 2>her when she the night she got elected to or

904
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<v Speaker 2>nominated to the Congress, and she was in her headquarters

905
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<v Speaker 2>in a billiards hall and the Bronx with some supporters

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<v Speaker 2>around her, with her hand over her mouth and her

907
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<v Speaker 2>eyes wide open, watching these returns come in. She was

908
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<v Speaker 2>as surprised as anybody.

909
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<v Speaker 1>Whatever she decides. When I think when she first came

910
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<v Speaker 1>to Congress, she was clearly one of the best communicators

911
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<v Speaker 1>in terms of how you communicate, Like she understood the

912
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<v Speaker 1>modern media environment better than almost anyone in Congress, which

913
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<v Speaker 1>is not saying a ton but you know, she's doing

914
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<v Speaker 1>Instagram live, she's on social media. She knows how to

915
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<v Speaker 1>do it. But I think in the last couple of

916
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<v Speaker 1>years she's also become the best, one of the best

917
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<v Speaker 1>messengers in the party. Like about what she actually says

918
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<v Speaker 1>like is very it's very powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>And her she came there, she was the youngest woman

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<v Speaker 2>ever elected to the House. I think we've watched her

921
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<v Speaker 2>mature as a political leader during those eight years. I

922
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<v Speaker 2>think that process is ongoing, you know, and I think

923
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<v Speaker 2>she knows that too. But she's an impressive person. The

924
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<v Speaker 2>reason that she is so good, Yes, she knows how

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<v Speaker 2>to use social media and modern media. But the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't teach and the thing you can't buy,

927
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<v Speaker 2>is the ability to communicate authentically and to give people

928
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<v Speaker 2>a sense that you're talking honestly with them. That's what great,

929
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.559
<v Speaker 2>great political leaders do, and she has that quality. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's a hell of a thing to build on.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you should bake your personal assistant.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think so either, But I would like a

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's simple anyway, what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>M All right, let's let's watch some other people see

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<v Speaker 1>what it suits you think about. I'm gonna start with

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<v Speaker 1>John asoff who may or may not run for presidenty,

974
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<v Speaker 1>but he's only has to win re election to Georgia. First,

975
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<v Speaker 1>let's take a look at one of his recent rally is.

976
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<v Speaker 8>How does American politics really work? It's coin operated money,

977
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 8>goes in, favors come out. It's been running on secret money,

978
00:54:50.920 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 8>corporate money, billionaire money. Both sides, both sides, Citizens United.

979
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<v Speaker 8>Was the worst court decision in modern American history.

980
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<v Speaker 2>From my Hymn book there, Yeah, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about him as a communicator?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's a great communicator. I haven't seen him

983
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<v Speaker 2>as most of the time when I see him, he's

984
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<v Speaker 2>behind a podium. Uh. And you know there are other

985
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<v Speaker 2>elements of communication, and I haven't seen a lot of that.

986
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<v Speaker 2>Although I just spoke to someone someone you and I

987
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:31.840
<v Speaker 2>both know who saw him at an event. You may

988
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<v Speaker 2>have been at the same event because I think it

989
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:39.159
<v Speaker 2>was out West, and said he was really really good

990
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<v Speaker 2>and kind of off the cuff interaction with people and

991
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<v Speaker 2>so on. Listen, I take him seriously, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you if you believe what I said earlier about the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of candidate who will do well, he checks a

994
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<v Speaker 2>lot of those boxes and he hasn't been even though

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<v Speaker 2>he is a senator, he has not been there long

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<v Speaker 2>enough to be sort of corrupted in people's minds as

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of fact, as a practitioner of inside the

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<v Speaker 2>beltwegh politics, which he is not. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean as a quick turnaround, he's young, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>youth also is an advantage in this election because after

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<v Speaker 2>two presidents who were in their eighties, I think people

1002
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<v Speaker 2>are going to be really looking for a more youthful candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>You raise an interesting point, because I think he is

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<v Speaker 1>the best speech giver that I've seen in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>He you know, there's a whole generation of politicians sort

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<v Speaker 1>of raised on Obama who speak like Obama, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think he does the best. Like you can see it

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<v Speaker 1>in the tone. You know, he has some of the

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<v Speaker 1>same pause, as the same cadence, but it doesn't look

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<v Speaker 1>like Obama karaoke, which something.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently Yeah, yeah, we've seen that too. He apparently does

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of writing, you know, Obama. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>had great speech writers. You work with some of them,

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<v Speaker 2>but they would tell you that, you know, they would

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<v Speaker 2>give him a product that was in good shape and

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<v Speaker 2>then he would buff it up or add things that

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<v Speaker 2>took it from one level to the next. And he

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<v Speaker 2>because of that, he was familiar, he felt organic to

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<v Speaker 2>the copy he was reading. So I think he has

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<v Speaker 2>he has that. But the other thing that people don't

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate about Obama, and you would because you travel around

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<v Speaker 2>with him, like you know those eighty seven days we

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<v Speaker 2>spent in Iowa where he was you know, doing six

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<v Speaker 2>eight you know, stops a day more, even in small venues,

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<v Speaker 2>interacting with people. He was very good at that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to Running for president is a decathlon. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just one event. So you can be great at

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pole vaulting, but you still have to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>throw the javelin. And so the test of campaigns is

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<v Speaker 2>how do you do all do you do all the

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<v Speaker 2>events well enough to win? So I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>about us off, but he's certainly a promising, promising politician.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to see him, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>this is a very selfer refar. I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, what, like, can you pass the podcast test?

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<v Speaker 1>Can he sitting like shoot, like I was just watching

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<v Speaker 1>a clip of a bomb. Well, I mean, well he's

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<v Speaker 1>been on our podcast. He's done fine. But it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not really, can you come on positive America, hacks

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<v Speaker 1>on topics, can you go on Rogan or all? You

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<v Speaker 1>can you relate to people on a cultural, personal level,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not just politics.

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<v Speaker 2>The test that Vice President Harris wouldn't take.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, all right, let's do the next one is

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00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 1>some unfamiliar to all of us. Pete, But to judge

1046
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:37.000
<v Speaker 1>there is.

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<v Speaker 9>A powerful American majority for change and for the things

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00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.599
<v Speaker 9>we believe in, because right now you got this administration

1049
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:48.519
<v Speaker 9>that's created the illusion that their positions are supported by

1050
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:53.039
<v Speaker 9>most Americans, and it's just not true. Most Americans agree

1051
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 9>that we should be taxing the wealthy more, not giving

1052
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:59.719
<v Speaker 9>giant task cuts to billion Most Americans think it is

1053
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 9>no that we're being told we can't have nice things

1054
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:07.760
<v Speaker 9>like rural hospitals and good roads and fully funded public schools.

1055
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.760
<v Speaker 9>At the same time that you've got billionaires paying a

1056
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.960
<v Speaker 9>lower tax rate than the nurses in those hospitals and

1057
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:16.159
<v Speaker 9>the workers who work on those roads, and the teachers

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00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:17.679
<v Speaker 9>who teach in those schools.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make a peek well look in many

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00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I've said this before. He is as bright and thoughtful

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00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:34.679
<v Speaker 2>as anybody I've I've seen since Barack Obama in terms

1062
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.239
<v Speaker 2>of his ability to sort of think in interesting ways

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00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 2>and positive arguments in ways that really are clear and thoughtful.

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00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:50.880
<v Speaker 2>And he's he's a very very talented guy. And I

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00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 2>really I like him a lot. I mean, and I

1066
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 2>think he's underrated in this, you know. I mean when

1067
00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:01.280
<v Speaker 2>you hear conversations, he's not people don't talk about him,

1068
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:03.000
<v Speaker 2>but you know, every time you look at a poll

1069
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:06.519
<v Speaker 2>and some of its name recognition, yes, but he's he's

1070
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.159
<v Speaker 2>well regarded by Democrats, and the things he's articulating out

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01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.800
<v Speaker 2>there kind of they square up with some of the

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01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.679
<v Speaker 2>things I'm saying. He's talking about renewal, not restoration. He's

1073
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:28.360
<v Speaker 2>talking about reform, you know, like basic fundamental reforms. You know. Now,

1074
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know whether experience of the Biden

1075
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.880
<v Speaker 2>administration is advantageous or not. Maybe not.

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01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess net neutral at best, my guess.

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01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, I wonder. I haven't never had this conversation

1078
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:43.719
<v Speaker 2>with him, whether if he had to do it all

1079
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.719
<v Speaker 2>over again, whether he would have opted for that he

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01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.159
<v Speaker 2>might be in better position than he was. You know,

1081
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.960
<v Speaker 2>there's always this question about an openly gay man running.

1082
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Is America Wave for that. And look, the one thing

1083
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:00.599
<v Speaker 2>that he did not prove in twenty twenty was that

1084
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.239
<v Speaker 2>he could win black votes. And that is a really

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01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:10.320
<v Speaker 2>essential task for anybody to get through this process. You know,

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01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Black voters in the South in particular are really really important.

1087
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:18.960
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, there are there are questions, but

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01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.679
<v Speaker 2>the talent is is undeniable. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think PiZZ and Chrop is smart. I saw him

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01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:29.000
<v Speaker 1>an event recently and he just he's so good off

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01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the coff He's so good answering questions.

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01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he does the pod, he passes the pod.

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01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all those things. The thing that was always the

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01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I think, not like the black voters is like the

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01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:40.960
<v Speaker 1>mass you can't it's just im you can't win the

1096
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>math as such, with primaries across the South, the way

1097
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:46.159
<v Speaker 1>delegates rellocated, there's no way to do it. That's why

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01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Obama one, It's why Hillary. But the thing about Pete's

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01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:54.519
<v Speaker 1>communication in twenty twenty was it always felt to me

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01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.599
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit at a remove, like he was

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01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:02.239
<v Speaker 1>so good and so polished that you know, it's just

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01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:04.800
<v Speaker 1>like there was this distance between.

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01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.280
<v Speaker 2>I think, really, I think it's an important observation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I will say when he was on CNBC

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01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:13.199
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks ago and he was arguing with Joe

1106
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:15.480
<v Speaker 1>cernin I thought it was some of the best people

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01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Like people will go on He'll he'll get every word

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01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:20.920
<v Speaker 1>exactly right on Fox News and he'll stuff shun handing

1109
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:22.960
<v Speaker 1>into a verbial locker or whatever else, and it's incredible.

1110
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:24.519
<v Speaker 1>But he when he was almost Joe Curna, like, he

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01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:27.519
<v Speaker 1>showed like a real he was so frustrated and so

1112
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:31.119
<v Speaker 1>angered by the stupidity of in the unfairness of what

1113
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Crinan was saying that it was really was like a

1114
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 1>that was one of his most authentic moments. I thought

1115
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.320
<v Speaker 1>it was quite quite good and I think maybe indicative,

1116
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Like his life has changed a lot since twenty twenty. Right,

1117
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:44.400
<v Speaker 1>He's had he's got married, he's got kids, he's like

1118
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.000
<v Speaker 1>been he's been through times, and so I think, you know,

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01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I think I'll I'll be very interested to see how

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01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:51.320
<v Speaker 1>he's involved Candida this time around, because if so, he

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01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.599
<v Speaker 1>was real potential and he benefits from the fact the

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01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:55.360
<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire is probably the first state and it's a

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01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:56.920
<v Speaker 1>place where he has a great base of strength.

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01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and continues to poll well, uh, don't underestimate the

1125
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:04.360
<v Speaker 2>value of having run the track before. You know, he knows,

1126
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:08.159
<v Speaker 2>or just to use another sports analogy, he knows the

1127
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:13.280
<v Speaker 2>lay of the Greens. And running for president is not

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01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:15.920
<v Speaker 2>like running for any other office. So he knows the

1129
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.480
<v Speaker 2>pressures of it, he knows the cadence of it. He knows,

1130
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.719
<v Speaker 2>he knows this stuff. That is a valuable asset.

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01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's look at Andy Basher, the governor of Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 6>You've seen how some of this speak has crept into

1133
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.360
<v Speaker 6>the Democratic Party, and we sound like we're talking down

1134
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:34.159
<v Speaker 6>to people. We've got to talk to people and not

1135
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.199
<v Speaker 6>at them. You know, Kentucky got hit by that opioid

1136
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:40.719
<v Speaker 6>epidemic as hard as anybody, but maybe West Virginia. I mean,

1137
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:42.719
<v Speaker 6>we've all lost people we love and care about. I

1138
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:46.159
<v Speaker 6>didn't lose one to substance use disorder. I lost them

1139
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 6>all to addiction. If we want to push back against

1140
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:51.719
<v Speaker 6>this president and what he's doing to snap, trying to

1141
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:55.480
<v Speaker 6>hold hungry people hostage for political gain, it can't be

1142
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:58.440
<v Speaker 6>that they'll be food insecurity. It's got to be that

1143
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.840
<v Speaker 6>they'll go hungry. We got to communicate to people in

1144
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.000
<v Speaker 6>the values that they know and how they would talk

1145
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:05.639
<v Speaker 6>to each other.

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01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Electability is obviously going to be a huge issue for Democrats,

1147
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:09.679
<v Speaker 1>as it was in twenty twenty. No one has a

1148
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:12.079
<v Speaker 1>better electability story than Yeah, this year, what do you

1149
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:13.079
<v Speaker 1>make of him?

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01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Look, I mean, again, going back to the things I

1151
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.239
<v Speaker 2>told you before, I mean, you have to look at

1152
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:22.079
<v Speaker 2>him because he's an outsider. He's also a guy who,

1153
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:26.599
<v Speaker 2>by the way, can go into those black churches and

1154
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:32.559
<v Speaker 2>in a compelling way, and you know, and in terms

1155
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:35.159
<v Speaker 2>of empathy, most of the time when we've seen him

1156
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.920
<v Speaker 2>over the last eight years, it's because his state has

1157
01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:41.840
<v Speaker 2>been beset by some natural disaster or you know, in

1158
01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:48.199
<v Speaker 2>some cases a horrific gun incident. And he's really really

1159
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:53.599
<v Speaker 2>good at that. He's great at expressing empathy. I sort

1160
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:55.519
<v Speaker 2>of agree with what he said there. The thing I

1161
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.039
<v Speaker 2>would say is, it's not just about the language that

1162
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.199
<v Speaker 2>we use. It's about and I've said this a lot

1163
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:05.960
<v Speaker 2>of times, my objection to Democrats since the Democrat Party

1164
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:11.000
<v Speaker 2>has become a kind of metropolitan, college educated party is

1165
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we're still a party of working people, or see us

1166
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:16.480
<v Speaker 2>see ourselves that way. But we approach them like missionaries

1167
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and anthropologists, and we show up and we say we're

1168
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:21.840
<v Speaker 2>here to help you become more like us, And the

1169
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.239
<v Speaker 2>implied message is that what you do really isn't as

1170
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:27.840
<v Speaker 2>important as what we do, except dan when we have

1171
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.039
<v Speaker 2>a pandemic, and then we're home and we're making our

1172
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:35.360
<v Speaker 2>living on our computer, and they're out there caring for us,

1173
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:40.039
<v Speaker 2>protecting us, making things, shipping things, and doing everything it

1174
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.159
<v Speaker 2>takes to keep the country going. And then we go

1175
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:44.280
<v Speaker 2>out on our balconies and we bang our pots and

1176
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:48.920
<v Speaker 2>we say you're the essential worker until the pandemic's over,

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01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and then they sort of become invisible again. So I

1178
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 2>think it's more. It's about more than just the language.

1179
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:02.039
<v Speaker 2>We fundamentally have to think about how we value people

1180
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:03.000
<v Speaker 2>in our society.

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01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:06.280
<v Speaker 1>All right, last one we'll do is penns Vania Governor

1182
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Josh Shapiro.

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01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:09.719
<v Speaker 10>We have an opportunity to have a real debate within

1184
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.159
<v Speaker 10>our party about what we stand for, about what our

1185
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:16.239
<v Speaker 10>affirmative vision is. It has to be about what we

1186
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:21.280
<v Speaker 10>are going to do to make people's lives better. And

1187
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.199
<v Speaker 10>I think that that is a debate that our party

1188
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:27.000
<v Speaker 10>hasn't had for a good long while, and that debate

1189
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.320
<v Speaker 10>is not only going to help the Democratic Party. I

1190
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:31.760
<v Speaker 10>think it's going to be healthy for this country. And

1191
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:34.119
<v Speaker 10>what I can tell you for sure is that I

1192
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:35.760
<v Speaker 10>want to be a part of that debate, bring the

1193
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.719
<v Speaker 10>common sense, sensibility of what we do in Pennsylvania to

1194
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:40.639
<v Speaker 10>that conversation.

1195
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Lake Bashir Shapiro has won the key sat of Pennslvania.

1196
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:46.840
<v Speaker 1>He's likely going to win it again by a very

1197
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:49.079
<v Speaker 1>large margin, which will boltar Reo selectability case. What do

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01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:50.639
<v Speaker 1>you make Shapiro look?

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01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:54.079
<v Speaker 2>He's a very talented and very smart and what he

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01:06:54.159 --> 01:07:03.119
<v Speaker 2>said I obviously I obviously agree with. He's one of

1201
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:08.360
<v Speaker 2>the guys who he can slide into sort of pigeon

1202
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Obama from time to time, and he's taken a lot

1203
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:18.679
<v Speaker 2>of criticism for it. He can be a little irascible,

1204
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:23.119
<v Speaker 2>and for him, I think the important thing is to

1205
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 2>be real. He's so smart and politically savvy that sometimes

1206
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:34.159
<v Speaker 2>you feel like he's giving the politically savvy, well manicured

1207
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:38.119
<v Speaker 2>answer and you don't know what you don't see the

1208
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:42.079
<v Speaker 2>person behind it. So those would be the concerns that

1209
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I'd raised. But look, I thought, you know, I thought

1210
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.679
<v Speaker 2>he should have been the vice presidential candidate, and in

1211
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:51.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, probably good for him that he wasn't,

1212
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:56.280
<v Speaker 2>but I think highly of him, and he's got some

1213
01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:59.679
<v Speaker 2>good stories to tell. That story about the sort of

1214
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:03.280
<v Speaker 2>wreck pace at which they repaired the fallen bridge in

1215
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania is a metaphor for something that Democrats need to

1216
01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:09.960
<v Speaker 2>struggle with is if you're the party of government, how

1217
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:13.559
<v Speaker 2>do you assure people that government can work? And he's

1218
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:18.359
<v Speaker 2>got some examples to underscore. He also Dan has he's

1219
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:23.279
<v Speaker 2>forged a relationship with working class voters and rural communities

1220
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:26.640
<v Speaker 2>in his state. You know, I think he does approach

1221
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:33.399
<v Speaker 2>those voters respectfully and has built alliances there that I

1222
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:38.680
<v Speaker 2>think is very useful and important and instructive. So you know, again,

1223
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:41.319
<v Speaker 2>you've got a good assortment there. I know what, you

1224
01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:43.359
<v Speaker 2>only have a short period of time, so you can't

1225
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:47.039
<v Speaker 2>put all one hundred and six aspirants up there, but

1226
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that's a pretty strong assortment of Canaida.

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01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know this Shapiro, It's probably not discussed enough

1228
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:57.279
<v Speaker 1>how popular he is in Pennsylvania. Being a popular governor

1229
01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania is not an easy thing to do. This is

1230
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:00.800
<v Speaker 1>a state at the Donald try is one twice it

1231
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:03.800
<v Speaker 1>has moved away from Democrats as we we have moved

1232
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:08.079
<v Speaker 1>away from Pennsylvania demographically as a party, he he basically

1233
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:11.720
<v Speaker 1>has a coalition that combines the New versus the Democratic

1234
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Party with his college educated suburbanites outside of the color

1235
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:18.720
<v Speaker 1>counties around Philadelphia, with some of the numbers that Democrats

1236
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like Obama and Clinton had in the rural parts of

1237
01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:26.159
<v Speaker 1>the state in the great, the great expanse between Pennsylvania

1238
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:27.359
<v Speaker 1>and between Philly and Pittsburgh.

1239
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<v Speaker 2>And let me ask let me ask you a question.

1240
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:33.439
<v Speaker 2>And based on you know your you've got your finger

1241
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:37.960
<v Speaker 2>on the pulse of of of the left and the party.

1242
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, the question that comes up oftentimes from Jews

1243
01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:45.039
<v Speaker 2>and I'm Jewish, is well, kind of can a Jew

1244
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:51.439
<v Speaker 2>get elected given the antipathy toward Israel now and now

1245
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:55.079
<v Speaker 2>he's been a very strong critic of bb NET and Yaho.

1246
01:09:56.520 --> 01:09:59.319
<v Speaker 2>But how big an issue is that?

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01:09:59.680 --> 01:09:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Do you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's an insuperable barrier for democratic canis. I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>but but you would know better.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe being Jewish as it is a barrier

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<v Speaker 1>that cannot be overcome for democratic candidate. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>any Democratic cant is going to have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>vociferous criticism of the net Yahu government is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to take very strong positions that would have seemed

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<v Speaker 1>impossible a few years ago about conditions on aid to Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>about funding the Golden Dome. I mean, even are you're

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<v Speaker 1>very you're close friend, my old boss rom Emmanuel came

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<v Speaker 1>out suggesting he would not be for that. Like I think,

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<v Speaker 1>what you cannot be seen. You don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>seen in a democratic primary as the pro net Yahoo

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<v Speaker 1>candidate or the APAC candidate, or someone who's associated with

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden's administration's position or policy on Gaza. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think he can do it, but it's gonna those are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be tricky waters for him to navigate, given some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways in which he's approsed those issues in

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<v Speaker 1>his past. Well, let me say he's the change is

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<v Speaker 1>rhet eric and recent. You know, yeah, well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know one thing you said quite a agree with.

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<v Speaker 1>The attitudes have shifted in ways we wouldn't have predicted,

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<v Speaker 1>because BB has done things we never would have you know, predicted,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps we could ever should have, but his the way

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<v Speaker 1>he prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 2>The war in Gaza. You know, I say this as

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<v Speaker 2>as a Jew. It's you know, I was horrified and

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<v Speaker 2>angered by what happened on October seventh. But that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean that I don't grieve for the children of Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>and that I'm not repulsed by the way that that unfolded.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think you're going to find candidate's Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>or not who who don't agree with that. One interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing is that they have an election in Israel in

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<v Speaker 2>October bb and new may be gone by the time

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<v Speaker 2>this campaign begins in earnest, and you wonder whether whether

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<v Speaker 2>that changes anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, it's a very open question of what

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<v Speaker 1>the world will look like when these candidates actually have

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<v Speaker 1>to go get votes in New Hampshire whatever other states.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early part of the calendar in early twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight, I did not play a clip from Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had asked me two or three months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have put the strong odds against her running.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the recent months she's been out there more,

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<v Speaker 1>she's been doing more things that suggest that maybe she's

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<v Speaker 1>seriously thinking about running. What do you make of that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to make of it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>she obviously is making noises as if she's going to run,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, once you run for president, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>you come as close as she did, especially under the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>She did very hard to look around and say why

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<v Speaker 2>not me? But I also don't think America is going

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<v Speaker 2>to and Democrats are going going to ultimately go for

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<v Speaker 2>the back to the future candidate. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of there are a lot of seared memories of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four and a lot of it don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>do with her, but with her boss, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>the White House. But you know, it didn't end well.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of Democrats who were hoping that

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<v Speaker 2>it would, and part of it did have to do

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<v Speaker 2>with her inability or reluctance to do the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do at that level. You know, go

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<v Speaker 2>on those podcasts, be real, be open, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>the answer on the view under the withering interrogation of

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<v Speaker 2>the of the people on the view to not be

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<v Speaker 2>able to answer the question that I think any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of competent candidate for at any level would know how

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<v Speaker 2>to answer when asked, did you you know, is there

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<v Speaker 2>anything you would have done differently? She didn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>say yes these things. She could have said, I'm grateful

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<v Speaker 2>for the opportunity gave me. I'm not going to critique

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<v Speaker 2>him here. I'm here to tell you I'm not running

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<v Speaker 2>for the to be the second term of Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>running to be the first term of Kamala Harrison. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what I'm going to do. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>are a million ways to have answered that question. She

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't find any of them. And those are the

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<v Speaker 2>moments that define campaigns.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know it's from her perspective right as you

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<v Speaker 1>came very close. You know, she believes, as in many

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<v Speaker 1>people in the campaign, that given more time, she might

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<v Speaker 1>have actually won that race, or if she had not

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<v Speaker 1>been thrust it, if she had a chance to actually

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<v Speaker 1>just not run at all and she'd want a primary,

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<v Speaker 1>she could have maybe actually won. Know, way didn't answer

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<v Speaker 1>that counterfactual, but you look at you know, one way.

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<v Speaker 1>She's leading in all the polls right now. And now

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<v Speaker 1>you and I know and everyone knows that oftentimes the

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<v Speaker 1>person leading in the polls at the beginning is leading

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<v Speaker 1>by dint of name recognition and nothing else, and that

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<v Speaker 1>falls pretty quickly, like I did for Rudy Giuliani in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, Joe Lieberman in two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 1>But it still is true that you're not winning the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic nomination without running up the score with black voters

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<v Speaker 1>across the South. And you look at that field right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's the candidate best position to do that. So

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<v Speaker 1>you could she could make an argument to herself about

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<v Speaker 1>how she could win that nomination. Now the question will be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And this was I think the experience John

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<v Speaker 1>Carry had when he was thinking of running again in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, as he was all ready to go,

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<v Speaker 1>picked up the phone, started calling all his old supporter

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, and Donory, I'm with Biden, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with that, I'm with Hillary, I'm with O Momma, with Edwards.

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<v Speaker 1>And she might have a similar you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and not just probably, you know, from

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<v Speaker 2>what I understand, not just not just supporters and donors,

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<v Speaker 2>but even some key staff. You know. Look, I respect her,

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<v Speaker 2>and she got thrust into a really difficult position, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't see this. And I yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think she's the beneficiary of early name recognition

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<v Speaker 2>on this issue. She she may well do, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>really well with African American voters in the South. But

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<v Speaker 2>I keep thinking back to twenty nineteen when she was

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<v Speaker 2>a co front runner with Joe Biden when she entered

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<v Speaker 2>the race, and she never made it to Iowa, and

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<v Speaker 2>her numbers in those southern states weren't that good. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I uh, it's you know, there's one.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't have enough information to note. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I think she's going to receive some tough,

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<v Speaker 2>tough news from some of the people whose support perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>she was counting on anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't mention that you have your eye on.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's kind of uncanny because you you you listed

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of folks who you know. Look, I got

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<v Speaker 2>two guys from Illinois, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna I was looking for a good

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<v Speaker 1>Rom clip to play at the end for you. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want look.

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<v Speaker 2>Look Rom Rom. You know, I would say that Gavin

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<v Speaker 2>knew Some won the presidential primary of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Rom is doing pretty well in twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>at least with opinion elites. I mean, he's he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>throwing out a bunch of ideas. He's really aggressive, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll see where that takes him. Governor Pritsker is

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<v Speaker 2>running for re election, but it seems pretty clear to

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<v Speaker 2>me that he's headed in that direction, and he's shown

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more serious political chops than I would have

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<v Speaker 2>expected when he first ran for office. He's and he

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<v Speaker 2>does have affection among some among the Democratic base. You

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<v Speaker 2>probably hear it in your own And he's got obviously

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<v Speaker 2>he's got the advantage of resources. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't draw him out of the out of the circle.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, rumors emanate from Washington at Corey Booker might

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<v Speaker 2>run again. He didn't do that well in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's got talents, he's got gifts, and in an

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<v Speaker 2>election that may be about sort of character and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, to borrow Biden's phrase, though no one

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<v Speaker 2>should use it, the soul of America, which honestly is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be important in twenty twenty eight. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's a guy who can speak to that. But

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I don't know if he can, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do appreciably better than he did. But I'm also like

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<v Speaker 2>open to someone we haven't you know, someone coming from

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere we don't even know. Like I said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is a thing an election that's grooved for an outsider.

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<v Speaker 2>And it may be you know, you hear about Mark Cuban,

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<v Speaker 2>you hear other people mention, So who knows? Who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember calling John Stewart. And in twenty nineteen, after

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<v Speaker 2>Zelensky got elected President of Ukraine, Beef Zelensky became, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the wartime leader, the Churchill of our time. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said to John, John, you know, short Jewish comedians,

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<v Speaker 2>they're all the rage right now. Uh. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>don't don't count him out.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, That's I think it's a great place to

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<v Speaker 1>leave it. John Stewart for President Rod thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Always great to see in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely thanks.

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<v Speaker 7>Dan.

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