WEBVTT 1 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:34.920 Oh this is it. This is what it looks and 2 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:44.479 feels like. Boss on on Ona con con con conk. 3 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:48.240 Come king our first show after the death of Hull Coogan, 4 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:52.479 man in our last before we take the stage August third, 5 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.759 Comedy Village, Times Square, High Noon, in between nights one 6 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:58.759 and two of Summer Slam. Yes, and it's as if 7 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.359 you know, the gods delivered upon us a perverse, a 8 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:05.439 perversely perfect set of circumstances going into the show because 9 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:07.760 we had a feedback show, we wanted to clear the 10 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.599 mailbag out. But man, is it going to have a 11 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.079 whole lot more punch after the death of. 12 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:18.959 Hull Cogan, a whole different can of worms now, Jesus, you. 13 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.480 Know, folks who are in the moat tier on Patreon 14 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:24.239 would have heard us sharing the call with each other 15 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.000 as JP got to me first on the death of 16 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:27.599 Hull Cogan. 17 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:32.640 It's a rarity these days, absolutely shocked. 18 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:33.879 And. 19 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.760 We've course shared with you audio of our appearance on 20 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:41.280 the Josh Nason Wrestling Observer show punch Out, where we 21 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.799 talked the day of the news about hul Cogan and 22 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:48.239 what his passing means to wrestling fans of our vintage. 23 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.480 In particular the type of wrestling fans that would you know, 24 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.439 cast their lot with TLF. So we've said a lot, 25 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:57.680 but it feels like we're just kind of getting started. 26 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:05.120 Where are you at? You know, it's it's a it's 27 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.560 it's hard. It's very hard, you know. I I've definitely 28 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:16.000 had some difficulty separating the man from the character. Yep. 29 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:20.080 And there's you know, because there's definitely obviously there is 30 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:25.039 so much you know, people are going razy co razy 31 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.719 on social media everywhere in regards to you know, this 32 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:33.960 guy's a piece of shit. You know, he's not really 33 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:39.599 worth your time and he's not worth remembering. And it's like, Okay, 34 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:42.840 I I just can't because to me, that's just a 35 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:47.719 little too narrow. I don't have to celebrate the man, 36 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:52.039 but I will celebrate the character and how I felt 37 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.199 about him, yeah, during my youth. 38 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:56.400 Yeah, I think it's an all kind of mature on 39 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:56.840 that front. 40 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.479 It's hard. I mean there there there are some times 41 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:03.479 where it feels like it's just it's very black and 42 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:08.479 white in regards to whether or not you should celebrate someone. Obviously, 43 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:11.919 we know he's he tainted his legacy without a doubt 44 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.560 over the last several years longer even, I mean the 45 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.919 last like fifteen years, he's really just tainted his legacy 46 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:24.199 with just stupid, stupid stuff and and and and really 47 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.879 just showing who he kind of really is as he 48 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:32.919 got older. But but I also can't deny the fact 49 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:37.520 that the character had an impact on me when I 50 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:37.919 was a kid. 51 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:40.280 The fact that we have to underplay that, you know, 52 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.919 it's like had an impact, had an impact. 53 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:48.599 It the only reason a podcast like this exists. Yeah, right, 54 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:53.560 I mean that that's that's it. That's it. And so 55 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.280 I I I I do feel like it's okay too 56 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.520 to eulogize the right word. 57 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.280 You know, I feel especially comfortable because no one's done 58 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:06.719 more than we have to lay this man's flaws barrel 59 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:10.639 exactly exactly everything you know about the particulars, not just 60 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.159 the broad strokes, but the particulars, about all that stuff 61 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.879 with with the the tape recorded racist comments and the 62 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.519 sex tape and all that stuff. All that is you 63 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.600 know what happened with Nick and the jailhouse phone tape said, 64 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.360 that's you know, the deep texture of it, because you 65 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:29.839 listen to this podcast TNH in particular, So you can't 66 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.639 say we haven't done our penance on on that part 67 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:35.360 of the the legacy. For lack of a better word, 68 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:38.839 you know, my god, I just watched the smack down. 69 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:42.160 It's like they gave him less of a tribute than 70 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:45.000 Chris ben Waugh. Now, of course, I know that's not fair, 71 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:46.839 but considering. 72 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:48.639 I mean, you'd think they'd give him a whole show. 73 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:49.439 I mean, that's what I know. 74 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:53.240 Yeah, Old Cogan would have gotten a whole show if 75 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.879 not for all the racism stuff, for sure. And he 76 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:58.759 would have gotten a whole show if he wasn't Boots 77 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.319 so vociferously coming back years after that whole scandal. That's 78 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.480 it's not just that it happened and he said these things. 79 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.600 It's that I mean, it's also that he goes that 80 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:10.439 that that he shows support for Trump. There's just this 81 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:13.079 that's true. That was an extra that's right. That did 82 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:15.000 add spice to the soup for sure. At the end, 83 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:16.839 I think, you know, it's like, you know, a flare 84 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:18.920 comes out and kind of kind of still gets cheered 85 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:22.839 and stuff. It's like the verdicts in folks, Okay, racism 86 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:27.120 is worse than sexual assault. I'm sorry to report that 87 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.160 being the case, people still advocate for Chris Menoir in 88 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.079 the Hall of Fame. So apparently racism is even worse 89 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:33.399 than murder. I guess so. 90 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.000 But the you know, the death fault Cogan puts a 91 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:37.800 lot of important things on the table, but for us 92 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.519 in particular, obviously, it's I think it's going to be 93 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.600 a matter boss looking back between lapsed fan before when 94 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:47.759 you know, laps fan when Hogan was alive, and lapsed 95 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:48.759 fan when Hogan had passed. 96 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.800 Yes, I mean, it really is. I mean it's it's 97 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:58.720 it's still a weird thing. Like honestly, I'll I'm the 98 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.480 the mornings since I'm walking my dog in the morning, 99 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:04.720 and it just kind of hits me while I'm walking 100 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:09.000 the dog. You know, it's almost like I almost can't 101 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.720 believe it. You know, I thought for sure he'd sold 102 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.399 his soul to the devil so badly, he was going 103 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.240 to last a long time. But I guess only one 104 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:20.839 person what he embraced Christ as a savior. He was 105 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:23.600 on the way down, you know. Yeah, that's true. 106 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.959 It was when he was, you know, involved in all 107 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.480 kinds of ignominious stuff that he seemed to be surviving 108 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.079 despite all odds. I mean, the guy I've said it 109 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:35.920 a hundred times. You know, hul Cogan should have been 110 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.000 the one right off in the sunset, and he had 111 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.360 the messiest fucking post wrestling life one could possibly imagine 112 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:43.879 in terms of all he built up from the wealth 113 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.560 of capturing our imaginations all those years that. 114 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.079 I mean, it just goes to show you that none 115 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:52.959 of them really can good luck, you know, like stone 116 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.639 Cold was probably stone Cold in the Rock were probably 117 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:58.839 the best cases, but then they ruined it. Yeah. 118 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.519 Well yeah, Rock still littling it. He still needs it, 119 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.160 he still needs wrestling. Yeah, I know he's not sure. 120 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:06.920 John still needs wrestling. I mean, this whole retirement tour, like, 121 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:12.600 I mean, come on, they should have been done participating 122 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.319 in anything on screen with the W tow from an 123 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.839 angle and match perspective, both of those guys consider the 124 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:18.920 success they've had in Hollywood. They should have been done 125 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.279 ten years ago. Yes, they should not. Still Rock should 126 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:24.279 have been done. Rocks should have been done in in 127 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.720 in ninety four, in two thousand and four. Yes, when 128 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:29.519 they didn't renew was contract, you should have been done. 129 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.040 They should not still need whatever it is performing in 130 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.759 WW gives them, but they do. And so here we 131 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.199 are yep. And of course the questions have come in 132 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:39.680 what are we going to do as a podcast? You know, 133 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.319 we've set this standard around tribute shows and uh, you know, 134 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:47.000 appropriately appropriately tipping our cap to people that have been influential. 135 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:49.439 You can't you can't get bigger than Hull Cogan on 136 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.800 that front at all, because you can't get bigger than 137 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:52.240 Hull cogu. 138 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.519 And we have done so much already in the archives. 139 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:56.680 I mean, there is so much that's that's part of 140 00:07:56.720 --> 00:07:59.560 the that is part of the problem, you know for 141 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:01.759 us anyway, is that there is so much that's done. 142 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:04.360 I mean, so much of his his career, so much 143 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.519 of his life has been covered by us. 144 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.360 So here's what we can tell you since the day 145 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.560 we started The Lapsed Fan a little over ten years ago, 146 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:16.839 covering SummerSlam nineteen ninety one. Interestingly, that's right, that's right, Hulkamania, 147 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.040 with all its brilliance and warts, has washed over this podcast. 148 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.040 So it was the decade prior for JP and I 149 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.759 as we huddled in a dorm room chortling about Hulk 150 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:31.120 Hogan's masterful politics and limpooning his paranoia as he had 151 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:35.080 returned to WW and instantly seamlessly remade ww in his 152 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:38.200 image all over again. Yeah, giving us the red and 153 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.559 yellow back before we realized we wanted it again. 154 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:41.399 Yep. 155 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:44.519 So it was the decade even before that, as we 156 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:46.759 came of age, children of the tail end of Hulkamania 157 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.360 and the Hasbro era, piecing together the decade of Hogan 158 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.399 that we missed as toddlers, piecing together how this shiny 159 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.679 jacked charisma machine came to be by begging our parents 160 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.480 to go to the video store and rent yet another 161 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:02.039 Holisem video drawn in by a video jacket cover art 162 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:05.679 of Hogan juxtaposed with the foe of the day. I 163 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.480 always wondered what the decade after hul Cogan's death would 164 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.159 look like around these parts, a podcast like this, a 165 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.279 wrestling industry like this, a society like this. Whenever that 166 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.200 time came, I felt relatively certain we would have covered 167 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:22.039 it all. For what was the initial spark behind even 168 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:23.879 doing the Lapsed fan if not to have a reason 169 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.639 to go back and watch Hull Cogan matches right, I 170 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.399 mean seriously, and to compare our notes with each other 171 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:32.440 on set matches. And it turned out compare our notes 172 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:34.519 not only with each other, but with thousands of lapsed 173 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:38.559 fans across the world on what Hogan was, how he'd 174 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.679 find a way to our hearts, and how he taught 175 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:43.240 us the dark arts of staying relevant and never missing 176 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.039 a trick. Yes, but then we thought, wait a minute, 177 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.480 this is the lapsed fan we unapologetically stew in the 178 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.600 juices of the past. It's true, that's where the subtled 179 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:56.960 truth is after all, And for hull Cogan, now there 180 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.399 will be no more violent twists and turns on what 181 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.600 seemed like an annual basis completely upended our sense of 182 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.519 what hul Conkin's legacy will even be. I know, no 183 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.679 more beer launches or wired taps, or political rallies or 184 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:14.320 abrupt religiosity or shunned grandchildren or tearful ex wives that 185 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.120 we know of or who knows you know? Or how 186 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.039 about banished best friends to account for you. No more 187 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.679 extra logs on the bonfire of apologies that you have 188 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.360 to make and personal belief provis those you have to 189 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:28.799 issue before celebrating the man Hulk Hogan performed for the 190 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.000 audience that was in front of him, whether it was 191 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:34.399 one to one via his son through a jailhouse glass 192 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.960 or a surreptitious recording to another man's wife discussing who 193 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:40.759 his daughter was dating, or before a reality show crew 194 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:43.600 of probably like ten people who totally took over his 195 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.279 Tampa mance, or before five hundred thousand people at WrestleMania 196 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:50.480 three yep. To spend time trying to parse out who 197 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.320 the real Hulk Cogan was is missing the whole point. 198 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.279 Hulk was whoever he needed to be, as the vicissitudes 199 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.440 of celebrity threw him curveball after curveball, and we at 200 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:00.960 TLF we need hulky Mania is still run wild in 201 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.840 a real weird way, at least for the next little while. 202 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.159 If Hull Cogan washed over everything we have done to date, 203 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.080 then we're in the privileged position to say that will 204 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.440 continue with an even greater focus and commitment to pinning 205 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.639 down why this guy was central to so much. As 206 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.759 much as we've covered in tremendous detail about Hulkogan, from 207 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:24.600 his first WWF title win to his Awa and Japan 208 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.600 exploits with Bockwinkle and Mudha, to the first Saturday Nights 209 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:31.279 Made Event and his role and becoming his whole role 210 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.759 in Saturday Nights Made Event and becoming a thing, to 211 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.279 his pivotal role in the George of Horrin and Vince 212 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.519 mcmann's steroid trials yep. To the nineteen ninety four Bash 213 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:42.559 of the Beach just last Time, his WWW and his 214 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.759 nineteen ninety six Bash of the Beach w W Hill 215 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:46.840 Turn and his two thousand Bashes at the Beach legal 216 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.159 showdown with Vince Russeau. And how about f U N B. 217 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.000 Hulk Yes to the rise and fall of the nWo 218 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.919 and the rise and fall of TNA with him involved, 219 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.360 to the first Nitro and Postumania and Last Nightro and 220 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:06.039 this incredible film career I'm going to get there, okay, 221 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.159 and a Gawker trial, every single one of his movies 222 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:12.159 under the cinemat, a series that in fact started with 223 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.679 Santa with Muscles, it did started with Hulk. 224 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:16.600 Look at that. I mean, that's it starts with Hulkogan 225 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:16.799 all the. 226 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.639 Way through to the Secret Agent Club, including that to 227 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.080 literally getting on a plane, literally getting on a plane 228 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.320 to Detroit, yep, so that we could walk the rubble 229 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.799 of the Pontiac Silver Dome in search of clarity as 230 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.279 to why hul Cogan was such an avatar for all 231 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:37.639 we had and all we lost of all that upon 232 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:39.600 his passing on July twenty fourth, at the age of 233 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.159 seventy one. We were inundated with pay per views shows 234 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.559 and topics that we didn't get to before Hulk passed. 235 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.639 Everybody wanted to know, Hey, you know, what about this show? 236 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:50.240 What about that one? Yeah? 237 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:53.960 And you know, it would have been unthinkable standing here 238 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.600 on the death of Hulkgan when we first started TLF 239 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.679 that we would have anything left to do about Hulkogen. Yeah, 240 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:03.080 it just seemed like that's all we were here to 241 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.399 do was just watch Hulkogan right again in a lot 242 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.399 of ways, but the cast evolved and people asked different 243 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:11.240 things of us, and we asked different things of ourselves. 244 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:14.200 So in fact, a lot of well to Zeric Bischoff's 245 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.399 analogy apples have been yet to be clicked from the tree. 246 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:22.559 Ogan's contributions were so vast that even after doing this 247 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.120 for a decade, we still have tapes to pull off 248 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:26.679 the video store shelf, don't we, Boss. 249 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.360 I mean more than you'd think. You know, you'd think 250 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.279 that we would have we would have covered more, but 251 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:34.720 we did not. 252 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.919 We still have nooks and crannies, nicks and crannies to 253 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:41.039 collar in before we can lay the Hulkster to rest 254 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:47.720 around these parts presenting. Going forward, we're going to be 255 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:55.799 calling the Complete Hulk Hogan, our wholehearted attempt to systematically 256 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:59.279 cover everything about Hulk Hogan that we never got to 257 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.519 when he was here on this earth with us, from 258 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.360 his earliest days wrestling in Florida, Alabama, Memphis, and Georgia 259 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.080 to his first tours of Japan and winning the inaugural 260 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:11.159 i WGP title against Antonio and ok to all of 261 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.080 those Saturday Night's main events, and has anyone who listened 262 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.759 to our Tnh's Journey or our Bash of the Beach 263 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.600 ninety four episode can attest we've occasionally been overtaken by 264 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.799 a feeling that we're getting a last chance to say 265 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.799 goodbye to Hulk Hogan. These things came out of nowhere, 266 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.039 but seemed to uncandidly be followed by real life twists 267 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:30.840 and turns. I mean, Boss, we did Bash at the 268 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:32.960 Beach ninety four. The fake Hogan dies. The guy who 269 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.879 dresses up like him dies, I know, I mean that 270 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.840 guy who's followed him around for for forever. You know, 271 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.360 he was at WrestleMania seven. He's at Bash. 272 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:46.919 The beach. This guy goes followed Hulk Hogan everywhere. I 273 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:47.720 even know his name. 274 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:54.080 That's it, Yeah, his face and that Hulk himself. The 275 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.639 day our deep dive of Bash at the Beach ninety 276 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:00.440 four dropped, completing our coverage of really the last real 277 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:02.480 monumental thing in a lot of ways that he did 278 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:03.799 that we haven't covered yet. 279 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:06.000 Hit the feed. 280 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:09.360 He died that day, and we were inspired to do 281 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.519 it because because of the chatter that he might be 282 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.240 in more ill health than his immediate circle would let 283 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.279 on publicly. We thought, let's do this, but I did 284 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.919 not expect it to happen and click in So dare 285 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:28.240 I say poetically, but there we stood, mouths agape, jaws 286 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.879 dropped that the way it did end up playing out, 287 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.440 and what it means going forward, We've occasionally been, like 288 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:37.559 I said, overtaken by a feeling that we're getting a 289 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.159 last chance to say goodbye to this guy. And this 290 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.480 starts all the way back when Oh my God, JP 291 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:46.519 to me. It's part of the same thing when we 292 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:48.840 both devised a caricature of Hulk in our heads. Is 293 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.559 someone obsessed with visual pinfalls, Yes, And what happened once 294 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.879 we created that whole idea in our mind that this 295 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:58.759 is Hulk Hogan's sort of personality, that he just by 296 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.159 all means is trying to prevent anyone from ever seeing 297 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.360 him with his shoulders down on the floor, even in public, 298 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.000 even in any and that he has to grab pinfalls 299 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:08.799 on anybody who could be a threat to his torch. 300 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:10.799 As we decided to put it, yep. 301 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:11.200 What happened. 302 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.759 We sat down to watch raw YEP, and they beat 303 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.720 the shit out of the Rock building up WrestleMania eighteen. 304 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.279 The nWo did, and he still had to get the 305 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.399 visual pinfall. He gets it, He gets it, He pins 306 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.759 the rock and Scott Hall counts the three. We watched 307 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.960 in hyper real amazement as hul Cocain insisted uncovering Rock 308 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:32.399 for a visual three count with no ref wasn't a match. 309 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.799 It was an angle. Yeah, but it's it's kind of 310 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:39.080 like that what happened last week? You know, kind of interesting. 311 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:39.360 Brother. 312 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:41.720 What if I kind of like lay down on you, dude, 313 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.320 and you, you know, we gotta do the three count? 314 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:44.600 Brother. 315 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.840 I'm not saying you obviously it's not a match, brother, 316 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:49.440 but what if he kind of like, what if he 317 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:54.159 had something it's a heat, dude, Heat brother. So we're 318 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:59.759 talking about heat and heat to you know, WrestleMania, brother, 319 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.879 because I know, I know for sure, No DJ, I 320 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.079 know for sure. Man, they are gonna boo the hell 321 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:10.559 out of me in Toronto. Yeah, they never liked me 322 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:11.400 in Toronto. Dude. 323 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:16.759 He gets all that, he gets heaped with all that 324 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.640 praise for doing the honors for Dwayne and Toronto. Yet 325 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.000 he comes He's WW champion in a month running the 326 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.599 whole fucking show and he got a one two three 327 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:27.400 on Rock on television before the thing even happened. Yeah, yep, 328 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:32.319 for what that's worth. But to see that happen as 329 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:35.400 if we wished it into existence, and then to see 330 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.880 halt pass when we get the sudden kind of cosmic 331 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.640 signal that we really ought to do this show. Now 332 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.960 it's July Bash of the Beach July. It just it 333 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:46.319 just made a lot of sense. 334 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:46.920 Yep. 335 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.039 And here we are, I think, equally amazed as we 336 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:53.640 were back when we watched that Monday Night Raw and 337 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.559 he pinned the rock for no reason. 338 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.160 Oh for sure, no question. I got to say. 339 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.119 It feels like we've said goodbye to Hull, Cogan and 340 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:03.319 all he meant to our generation time and time again 341 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.680 on the lapsed fan. But we can take as long 342 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.759 to say goodbye as we damn well please. This will 343 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.640 be about filling the gaps, because amazingly there are many. 344 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.279 Or to settle the score. Yep, we're all to settle 345 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:17.559 it all. 346 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:18.519 Yep. 347 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:22.400 The big event yep, wrestle Fest. How about the very 348 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:24.599 first Survivor series at ninet eighty six, right, how about 349 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.720 the nineteen eighty eight Summer Slammer the Megapowers take on 350 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:30.559 the Megabusks. How about the nineteen eighty nine Royal Rumble 351 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.680 where the fateful Ready Savagehull Coke and Wrestleminia five man 352 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.039 event was set up. How about we look at all 353 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.720 the Saturday night's main events. How about we go to 354 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.279 WCW and do all the stuff from ninety six before 355 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.000 he turned heel super Brawl. What about Halloween Havoc that 356 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.279 year where he had turned heel and had the wig 357 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:48.799 on his head? 358 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:49.680 Yeah? 359 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:52.000 How about super Brawl the next year? How about Bashes 360 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:54.079 at the Beach with Dennis Rodman, which he of course 361 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:57.839 was absolutely instrumental and making happen in ninety seven and 362 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.440 ninety eight. What about when he tried to go back 363 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:01.920 to the red and yellow in ninety nine at Fall 364 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:02.880 Brawl against Sting. 365 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.319 Well, exactly what about that? What about made if any Sting? 366 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.319 What about Fall Brawl? What was it? 367 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.319 The type AI strap deathmatch in March two thousand against Flair? 368 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:13.640 What was it? 369 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:15.160 The what it was? 370 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.880 Uh? Yeah? Put the poo poo? Yeah, one of those 371 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:18.880 Kevin Sullivan words. 372 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:23.519 What are those Kevin Sullivan Encyclopedia Britannica given, yeah, right, 373 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:25.759 the final pay per view match he had with Flair? 374 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.519 What about the XWF experiment and yes and yes? 375 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:34.440 What about the two thousand and two return, what about 376 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.599 Backlash and Judgment Day and King of the Ring? What 377 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.680 about what about No Way Out nWo? All over that show? 378 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:41.839 I mean, looks listen that memory. They even did it. 379 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.559 No Way Out nWo right there, No Way Out. It's 380 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.039 like the show was made for them back in nineteenninety eight, 381 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.960 Backlash O five or Summer Slam O six against Randy Orton. 382 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:55.440 So many moments in between. For the shows I just listed, 383 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.599 and perhaps more, you can expect traditional lapsed fan shows 384 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:00.799 about each and every one of these events. So it's 385 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:02.519 not just going to be as we've done with the 386 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:06.160 other tributes, just Hogan's match, We're just gonna do the 387 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.279 events that ought to have been done about hul Cogan 388 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:10.960 as we would. 389 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.480 Have before he passed. We're just going to use that 390 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.279 as our orienting principle for as long as it takes 391 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:19.119 in show selection going forward. As part of the complete 392 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.400 Hulk Hogan. Now, of course, we will do the episodes 393 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.039 that aren't just built him around an event, but built 394 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.599 around time periods. We're going to go systematically a year 395 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:29.759 through year, and this will be a chance to do 396 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:31.599 things that people have asked us to do for years. 397 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:34.240 When we come up to a wrestlingmania that we've already 398 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.519 covered as part of the thirty Week Journey, and so 399 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:40.359 much more has come out subsequent to those recordings as 400 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.039 to the context and potential research around those events, this 401 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.559 will be our chance. Hulk Hogan will once again be 402 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.119 the reason that we check so many boxes that the 403 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:52.599 lapsed fan is thirsty four. It's be a chance to 404 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:54.640 do all that. There's be a chance to get into 405 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:56.359 so much more than we had at our disposal when 406 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:58.640 we did Star K ninety seven, for instance, against staying 407 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:01.279 and all that's been said since discovered and uncovered sense 408 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:05.720 about the nature of that debacle all the way along 409 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:09.240 the way, we hope to fill in gaps and if 410 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:11.920 nothing else, we will be happy when our time on 411 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:14.440 the earth is over that the lapsed fan catalog will 412 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:20.039 have been the absolute quintessential guide to Hulk Hoges's career. Yes, 413 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:22.480 but the shows I just listed and perhaps more again, 414 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.039 those traditional treatments coming your way, but we know because 415 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:29.039 Hogan is so central to them. Even if we do 416 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:31.119 these shows in the traditional way we do pay per 417 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.680 view events, they'll be about paying tribute to Hulk as well. 418 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:38.920 Maybe not as gratuitously, but every time we do one 419 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.000 of these events that are built around houlk Cogan in 420 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:43.960 the main event, and there are so many across WWFNWCW, 421 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:47.759 you'll get the sense that this is, even if not 422 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.279 directly a tribute to Hulk Hogan in a way. We'll 423 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:54.720 be systematic about this, making sure the full Hogan era 424 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.079 is a purportly emblazoned in the catalog. And folks, we 425 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:01.519 need your help because we can only see so far 426 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:03.599 out in the distance. You know what's coming. You felt 427 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:05.039 the power of Hulcay and you just like the rest 428 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.799 of us. Tell us what you remember about the most 429 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:10.559 significant moments along the way by emailing us God yes, 430 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.480 please at the lapsed maan at gmail dot com. After all, 431 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.079 it may be quite a while before we do another 432 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:19.880 feedback episode, So get that feedback in. Tell us where 433 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:22.400 along the way from the birth of Terry Boleya to 434 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:25.960 the death of Terry Boleya, we absolutely must pause to 435 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.119 reflect on significant things he did said appearances he may 436 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.400 doesn't have to be matches, doesn't have to be big 437 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:33.599 pay per view events, doesn't even needn't necessarily have to 438 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.759 be television. Whatever it is that impacted you about Hulkgan 439 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.960 and all of his time in the business, let us 440 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:44.160 know about it so that as we go systematically year 441 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:46.400 through year, we can make note of it and again 442 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:51.440 reach our potential as the place that Hulkgin's the biggest 443 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:55.039 wrestling legacy we can imagine, is fully ensconced. So let's 444 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.359 send us not only printed, you know, typed emails, but 445 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.000 also audio testimony. Remember that from the good old days 446 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:02.720 we see these kind of audio clips during the WrestleMania 447 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.559 journey of people just recollecting verbally what it all meant. 448 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.640 Make sure we don't miss anything, any little nugget that 449 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:11.279 you feel like you uniquely may remember about Hulk Hogan, 450 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:13.559 anything he said done, send it to us, tell us 451 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:15.200 what it's connected to, and we'll try to make the 452 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:17.720 complete Hulk Cogan as much about your memories as it 453 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.000 is about ours. Absolutely, we may lose other giants along 454 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:23.279 the way while doing this. We are fully cognizant of that. 455 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:25.559 We may lose Rick Flair in the middle of this. 456 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:28.119 Maybe we may lose Vince McMahon in the middle of this. 457 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:30.920 Maybe paying tribute to them in the main feed, we'll 458 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:32.440 just have to take a back seat to the Holster. 459 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:35.240 The truth is, for us, we wouldn't care nearly as 460 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.039 much about a Vince McMahon or Rick Flair, or Kevin 461 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:41.119 Nash or Alex Luger or Bob Bckland, or a Sergent Slaughter, 462 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:43.640 or a Jake Roberts or a Brett Hart. How even 463 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.119 Vince Russeau, Eric Bischoff, Brutus Beefcake, Jimmy Hart, any of 464 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.319 the other subjects we may be called upon to pay 465 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:51.720 tribute to during the course of the complete hul Hogan. 466 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.400 Any of these people we may be called on to 467 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.839 reflect on during this duration. If it wasn't for Hulk Cogan, 468 00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.599 we probably wouldn't be called upon to tribute for them. 469 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.880 The complete Hulk Hogan will be in recognition of that fact, 470 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.880 they'll have to wait because Hulk goes on last brother, 471 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:10.160 and damn dude, it's got creative control, and Hulp must pose. 472 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:13.240 We'll do all the shows, all of them. Everything we've 473 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.839 done to date has stealed us for this, all of 474 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.160 us in the Tlef Solar System to rise to this 475 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.720 challenge uniquely, and when it's over for us, it'll feel 476 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:24.799 something like the completion of a life's work in every 477 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.759 sense of the word. 478 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:33.240 Can I get a hoof Heller my brother, brother brother? 479 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:42.200 And it's oh shit? And that wasn't exciting And it's part. 480 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.759 Of this uh you know, wall to wall coverage. It's 481 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:47.839 like a state funeral. You know that's going to last 482 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.279 a year and a half. I don't even know how 483 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:50.000 long it's going to be. 484 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.400 I listen if it if it last, I mean, look, 485 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.079 I I I know a number of these things are 486 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.519 gonna last. I mean this this is the even obviously, 487 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.519 including like you know, the show list that we've come 488 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:08.000 up with is is just kind of it's just the shows, 489 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:12.440 and it's not like the episodes in between right where 490 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.960 we're going to be doing things, you know, like you know, 491 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.240 because if you look at it, there's there's not We 492 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:24.319 have no shows in nineteen ninety one ninety three. It 493 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:26.319 doesn't mean that there's stuff that didn't happen. Yes, that 494 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.960 we haven't talked about exactly, you know. So it's like 495 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:32.599 these are these are all there, this is this is 496 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:37.119 going to be a very a very very ambitious, lengthy 497 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:44.319 girthy thick. I don't tribute. I suppose. 498 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.759 Sure it's an exercise and unfinished Yes, you're fuck my life. 499 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.880 It's an exercise and unfinished business. And I think our 500 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:53.359 hope is that when it's done, you'll be able to 501 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:56.640 look at the TLF catalog and say, well, you know, 502 00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:59.519 they did Survivors Series eighty seven. It was part of 503 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.759 the whole contribute, but it stands as the Survivors Series 504 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.480 nineteen eighty seven episode they would have done even if 505 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:07.920 it wasn't for Hull Co con Tribute vibes. 506 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:09.319 So that's the idea. 507 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:11.599 There's so many shows that people have wanted us to do, 508 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.119 so many shows that people cross their fingers and hope 509 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.319 we'll get to one day. And they almost all involve 510 00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:20.200 hul Cogan, they really do, so let's fucking do them, yep, 511 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:22.279 you know. And that's another reason to do the call 512 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.839 out for audio. It's like, you know, the hopper and 513 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:25.720 stuff people might have to look if this is one 514 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.839 of your shows, just send us that fucking audio, you know, 515 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:29.720 because this is going to be this is going to 516 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:31.240 be the mission here. This is going to be the 517 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.799 orienting principle, Like let's really let's really make sure that 518 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.240 there's nothing of significance that hull Cogan really did that 519 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.920 doesn't live and breathe in the TLF archives because it 520 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.039 makes all the sense in the world. And I can't 521 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.279 wait to see the twists and turns ahead because already 522 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.920 having to scratched the surface with our cabal of folks, 523 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.319 this is there's some stuff in here, man, that we 524 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:53.200 didn't even know we wanted to know about hul Cogan. 525 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.000 We didn't even know we could know about hull Cogan. 526 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.680 That's to come. I mean, what we know about Stirling Golden, you. 527 00:26:58.680 --> 00:26:59.039 Know what I mean? 528 00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:03.240 We know it's a punchline, right, I know very little 529 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:06.519 Eich side of Jimmy Barnett calling him that, well, after 530 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.599 he fucking retired the gimmick you watch like Hogan and 531 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.440 Andre mix it up in Alabama before they ever went 532 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.839 to New York. Please, yes, how did he become Hulk Hogan? 533 00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.200 We can nail it down, yes, And we have already 534 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.359 so much done that it's that much more attackable. You know, 535 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.599 if we if he died on year one of the show, 536 00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:25.839 oh my god, we'd be like, what do. 537 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:27.880 We fucking do? I mean? You have right? 538 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:32.519 I mean the whole just called the lapsed hul Cogan. Right, Well, 539 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:34.359 that's what it would have been. And frankly, we probably 540 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.279 just wouldn't have done it. We probably, no, we can't 541 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.279 just you know what I mean, we would have just 542 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.799 bounced around more and just done an episode in recognition, 543 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.599 like we did with so many that passed along the way. 544 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.680 But I think because we've done so much already, we 545 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.839 know that there aren't these massive mountains still to climb. 546 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.880 It's it's kind of like those. What we have to 547 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.079 do is document the valleys. The peaks are already in 548 00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.000 the catalog, right, all the research is done and it's 549 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.759 all there. From the trial to TNH to bash it, 550 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.720 the each to his WWF jump from Awa to the 551 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.079 Super Sunday A w A stuff. It's already in there, 552 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.839 all the WrestleMania's, the Sid come Back all that stuff 553 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.680 or the Sid Retirement, all the movies are in the 554 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.920 Under the Cinemat archive on Patreon yep. So it's like, 555 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:19.799 you know what, I think this works. I think this 556 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.960 probably is the appropriate time to go whole hog on 557 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.000 Hogan one last time because we've done so many of 558 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.799 the huge monumental things that it actually feels attackable instead 559 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.119 of something that we should shy away from. You know 560 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.720 what you want from us, and we're going to give 561 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:36.400 it to you, but we're going to give it to 562 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:38.559 you exactly how we want to give it to you. Yes, 563 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:42.160 as we always have, and in that fashion, as we've 564 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.559 you know, turned over in our minds, the different ways 565 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.960 that we can rise to This particular occasion coming up 566 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:51.000 is mentioned already August third of the Comedy Village and 567 00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.440 Times Square TLF takes the stage one more time as 568 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.079 the lapsed Fan invades Times Square and thanks to so 569 00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:58.960 many members of the Solar System who we know are 570 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.839 going to be joining us in NYC, we thought to 571 00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:05.559 ourselves this must be in recognition of what we've learned. 572 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:07.200 We can't just go forward with the show that we 573 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:12.640 planned before at Absolute Crown Jewel and the Lapsed Crown 574 00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.759 falls out. So announcing here and we want you to 575 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:18.359 bring your best if you come and join us at 576 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.960 the Comedy Village, a vigil for Halcochen will be part 577 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:29.400 of our live noontime Sunday, August third Comedy Village Extravaganza. 578 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.640 Come with your memories and be prepared because I know 579 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.799 a lot of members of the Lapsed Fan Solar System, 580 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:40.039 in particular the Rogues Gallery Oh Yes, are going to 581 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:44.960 come with their deepest and most sentimental reflections as well 582 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.640 for losing the Hulkster and what it means to have 583 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.839 lost the Haltster. So a very special time expected. Tickets 584 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.240 still available Comedy Village dot com. We'd love to see 585 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.079 you there, and we're going to do it right, and 586 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.279 we're going to send the Halster off at least from 587 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:00.599 a live show the. 588 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:01.359 Way it ought to be done. 589 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:06.880 I think we can, yes, and already you know, of 590 00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.279 all the Hogan shows we've already done. We'd also encourage 591 00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:10.400 you to reach out and say, hey, you missed this. 592 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:13.839 You missed that because we weren't always so as anybody knows, 593 00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:15.960 it's listened to us from the beginning research heavy. So 594 00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.039 there's a lot of things that we probably could have 595 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:19.759 said about Hull Cogin and things that have come out 596 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.079 about hul COVID around some of these events that we 597 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.400 didn't say or we didn't commit. 598 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.559 To the record. Yeah, and we're gonna you know, and 599 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:31.000 it's a convenient thing too, that we're gonna kind of 600 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:36.720 be touching upon every single year, you know, every single 601 00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:38.400 year that we've done, and so it is a good 602 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:40.039 time to kind of fill in any holes in that 603 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:42.799 regard that that we might have might have missed or 604 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:43.799 anything like that. 605 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.559 Yep, yeah, yeah, I'll be uh, I'll be perfectly happy 606 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:50.680 if the first ten years of TLF is understanding all 607 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:52.920 of the intrigue around Hull Cogan in the second half 608 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.759 is just getting all that whole coke and stuff rewatched 609 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.640 and just figuring out what it all meant. I mean, 610 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.640 why not that that that's that's the only thing that 611 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.759 feels appropriate right now. But I guess we will see 612 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:08.400 you August third, next summer with you from Times Square. 613 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.839 Of course, we'll also have our Summer Slam in twenty 614 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.880 twenty five, two night live call up for patrons. I 615 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:14.480 know you're looking forward to that, Boss, We're. 616 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.920 Going to be doing. Oh yes, wonderful doing a. 617 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.359 Rarely seen both co chairs in the same room live call. 618 00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:26.079 It's been some time, that is true. I don't recall 619 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.400 the last time we've done a live call in person. 620 00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:29.720 Ever. When have we done one? 621 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.279 Well, I mean the very first one was WrestleMania thirty 622 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:32.960 four at. 623 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:37.039 Twas Oh that's true, all right, that counts, I suppose, 624 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:38.200 but not really. 625 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:39.920 We did the one you know when you were living 626 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.480 in Jersey before we went out. That wasn't for WrestleMania, 627 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.599 but that was like NXT or whatever, the weekend of 628 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:46.720 the Hall of Fame stuff. We were in the same 629 00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.400 room watching some of that. But no, I mean, with 630 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:50.960 the exception of the ones where we're live in the 631 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.839 arena trying to do live calls with screat fans everywhere. 632 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.519 Right, this is a return to form and kind of 633 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.599 be very fascinating. This will be like be like watching 634 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.680 WrestleMania twenty two in the dorm room exactly, So you 635 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.000 want eighteen in the dorm room right on that on 636 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.480 that stream such as back then, Oh my god, it's 637 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.839 like the image changed every six seconds, so ridiculous. But 638 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.720 we still knew Hogan the Rock was a classic. We 639 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.079 still were going nuts. Did we did? Yes? We did? 640 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.359 Uh we that's insane. The best we could do. We 641 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.759 didn't have the ability to order cable pay per view 642 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.880 in the dorms back then, and we didn't. Why did 643 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.279 we go? Do we not know about the Hoots? I 644 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:34.519 guess we did not know about the Hoots yet? Nope, okay, 645 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.240 just a crying shame. But it was that run crazy 646 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:39.920 that we're finally going to get be able to get 647 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.000 into as part of the complete Hulkgan that two thousand 648 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.880 and two run that really solidified our our habitual wrestling 649 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.680 watching together there in so many ways. So we have 650 00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:50.960 the whole stort of thing for that as well. But yeah, 651 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.440 so you want to make sure a Patreon dot com 652 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.440 Slash the Lapse fan is locked and loaded that you're 653 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:56.559 correct on that front, because live calls are coming, a 654 00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.079 lot of content is coming, of course, under the cinemat's 655 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.440 back rocking. We just you know, if we're going to 656 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.319 do Bash at the Beach ninety four and Gene and 657 00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.680 heenan are going to mention having done a movie called 658 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.440 Time Master that we have never even heard of. You 659 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:12.000 better believe that shit got fast tracked, because that's why 660 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.279 Under the Cinemat exists. You're damn fucking right. That's what 661 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.759 we do. That's how we fucking roll and listen. I'll 662 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:20.720 tell you what was? 663 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:21.440 What was? What? 664 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.279 What did you learn? What was the most important thing 665 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.079 you learned during Time Master? 666 00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.839 I think more than anything, it's at the Dutch angle 667 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.200 keeps the film interesting to watch. 668 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.720 This is an example of a Dutch angle. Because of 669 00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:37.400 the canted angle of the camera, it remains interesting to watch. 670 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.359 It remains interesting. I mean, you have no idea. If 671 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:44.119 that annoyed you, that means that means it was interesting 672 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.240 to begin with, of course, and it has remained interesting 673 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.559 thanks to the cleverness and the industriousness. Like the director 674 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.039 who you just heard from patting himself on the back. 675 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.240 If that annoyed you, you have no idea how much 676 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.440 more it could annoy you If you listen to this 677 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.519 entire episode of Under the Cinemat, probably the second worst 678 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.880 movie we've ever watched. I love it. I love it. 679 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.800 The director's kids are in there. They do not belong 680 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:11.840 on a big screen at all. They are not actors. 681 00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:15.719 No, nope, nope. It's it is a it is it is. 682 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:20.519 It is a masturbatory opus. Yes correct, you know, uh, 683 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:25.400 that's what it was. And it's just it's a it's 684 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:29.679 a it's a travesty, you know, because what what what travesty? 685 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.000 That's a travesty. What it really came down to is this, 686 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.559 This is why it bothered me. Okay, it came down 687 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:40.719 to the fact that the you know, you look at 688 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.440 you look at almighty thor Okay, yes, that is obviously 689 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.800 an awful movie with awful visual effects, with awful performances, 690 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:50.360 with awful everything, but not a lot of money was spent. 691 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.159 And you can tell that a lot of money was 692 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.960 spent on this movie, not necessarily hundreds of millions of dollars, 693 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:02.239 but way more than was spend an Almighty four, no question. 694 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.719 And that, to me is what's so awful about it, 695 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.760 is that you spend that much money and you come 696 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.880 up with that piece of shit. But hey, you know, 697 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.440 that's what I'm the cinema's for. 698 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.760 And Heenan and Jean's role is just fantastically fleeting. I 699 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.480 mean it's just yes, for no reason they're in the movie. 700 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.239 It's tremendous to see it. Really, I mean, there is 701 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.039 no reason for them to be in the movie at all. 702 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.599 The fact that they never mentioned it in all the 703 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:30.800 shoot interviews they did. 704 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:31.559 Later in life. 705 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:33.880 I bet I could find anyway, I know tells you 706 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:35.480 all you need to know. You would think their one 707 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.360 film credit would be something that they tout. You know, yeah, 708 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.880 I don't even mention it. Nope, it's horrible and it's 709 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.360 available under the cinema. You're damn right as is since 710 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.079 the last time we were with you on a mailbag show. 711 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.360 Fucking epics like Jaws and Spotlight. I mean, folks, yes, 712 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.840 I mean, I don't know what to tell you besides like, 713 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.679 get on the fucking boat. Because cinemat is putting things 714 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.840 down history right now. We're finding wrestling connections and these 715 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:06.599 all time classics once upon a time in the West, yep. 716 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.920 These are what we call proofs of concept. 717 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.880 And and and also I'll tell you you know, one 718 00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.199 of one of my favorite things, specifically over the last 719 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:19.719 year has been finding people that we don't know anything 720 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.159 about that have a wrestling connection, that are wrestlers that 721 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.679 are involved in the business that they're just they're involved 722 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.400 in a way that you know, it's, for lack of 723 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.639 a better term, they're just not it's it's too small, 724 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:38.360 Like their contribution is important, but it's also not something 725 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.559 that's going to be written about right on websites and 726 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:44.239 newspapers and and to be able to find them and 727 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:49.000 talk with them and and uh, you know, from Tony 728 00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:53.440 Van Silva last year to to Glenn Glenn Cain huge, 729 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.400 you know, like it's it's it's to me that it 730 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:03.679 offers a whole different perspective and opens different uh possibilities 731 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:08.760 indoors and and and and knowledge about the wrestling business 732 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.079 and in ways you know that at least for me, 733 00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.400 I would never I would never have thought we would 734 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.960 have ever gone into on this show. Yes, you know, 735 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:19.079 ye like I would have never thought we would have 736 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.960 We would be we would be talking about the you know, 737 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:27.199 the the various British styles of professional wrestlers, useraate and 738 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:27.960 and stuff. Yeah. 739 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.360 Yeah, it's been such a unique way to get at 740 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.280 historical figures in the business that never would make sense 741 00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:35.719 for the way we do the main show. But you know, 742 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.760 they make one movie appearance and we're on our way, 743 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:39.480 and that is the case for a lot of turn 744 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.159 of the century wrestlers, international wrestlers. To your point, you 745 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.519 just think about, like during Carni's or Forever, getting acquainted 746 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.639 with uh, you know, the wrestlers in those movies. 747 00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:52.480 Yeah, you know, you're you're to Tanaka brother yep, I mean, 748 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.880 and so many that we Peter by No, it's right, 749 00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.880 that's right, I mean, and and then again, and so 750 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.480 many that we didn't even we didn't even know, no clue, 751 00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:04.679 you know that we didn't even we didn't even uh 752 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:10.639 hadn't even remember the wrestling bear from Octopussy, Like, what 753 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:16.840 the fuck, what's happening here? Okay, wrestling Bear just crazy. 754 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:20.519 It's it's it's it's so much fun. It's it's it's 755 00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:21.119 so much fun. 756 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.320 Yeah, and it's it's great to see it really hit 757 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.239 astride And that's available for your Patreon dollar exclusively for 758 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.760 the the executive producer tier and above. Of course, we're 759 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.360 rocking and rolling on the pro wrestling teas and chopped 760 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.239 teas for us as we continue rolling out merch and 761 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.639 it's it was actually kind of heartening to see upon 762 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.679 the passing of the Hulkster focusing. You know what, I 763 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.639 need that brother shirt, Hey, I love it to Steve 764 00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.960 and Chris who we saw grab at. The Lapsed Wrestling 765 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.840 Association shirt and the a w A format, of course, 766 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.519 are a lot of the reason we went on the 767 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:53.400 Life and Death of a w A Journey Boss was 768 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.079 because we just couldn't. We needed to satisfy our curiosity 769 00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:58.480 about Hogan before coming of. 770 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:02.440 Course, I mean right, and seeing that that that legendary 771 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.519 matchup between he and Bockwinkle, you know, like that's just 772 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.559 it was crazy. There's so much more to available to 773 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:14.519 us now than there was ten years ago. By the way, 774 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.039 speaking of Hogan too, by the way, you know, I 775 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.760 forgot that this shirt even up, you said, Progrestling Teas 776 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.920 dot Com slash slabs fan. I'm digging that creative that's 777 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:29.440 up now, that is available, uh, you know for your purchase. 778 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:35.920 Brother, Brother, Brother, and I agree, needless to say, wow, 779 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.360 so very very much there for you. When it comes 780 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:42.480 to SHWAG, when it comes to items that pay unique tribute, 781 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.000 think of the section eleven sub paragraphe You know, yes, 782 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:46.880 these are things that say at all about Hulk that 783 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.119 no one even was saying brother question mark stop the boots, 784 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.599 So stop the boots sign at atn n XT one time. 785 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.280 I mean, folks, Oh, you're welcome, okay, Hulk, you're welcome. 786 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:58.880 Solar system, You're welcome. 787 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:03.039 Hide the ball, you hide the ball shirt one too, 788 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:05.480 thro and only fly fly the flag, folks, fly the 789 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:10.599 flag t n H. I mean, it's all there, your powers. 790 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.760 That one, that's a weird one. Would be surprise. I'd 791 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:16.599 be surprised if we moved many units of that one. 792 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.840 You've been talking to Frank. It's a huge ques It's 793 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.039 I came about the parrot. But I have no fucking 794 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:29.880 idea why. Oh, I mean, just answer the question. 795 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:30.239 You know. 796 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.960 That's that's exactly it what I mean. 797 00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.400 So progressingts dot com slash lapsed fan for your T 798 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.440 shirt needs chop tease, the lapsed fan for hoodies and 799 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:40.119 all kinds. 800 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.800 Of other things. We got the f U n B 801 00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:43.960 three sixteen shirt. Fuck you got that right. 802 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:46.920 It's like a it's like a tour. Hulk Cogan's life 803 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.000 and times are our apparel stores and so much more so. 804 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.159 We would love to hey look forward to seeing some 805 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.639 folks uh in New York City wearing some lap swag 806 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:55.920 as well. 807 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:57.079 That would be highly. 808 00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:00.320 Appropriate and maybe indeed I'll I'll wear my brother the shirt. 809 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.039 Oh yeah, you better bring that jacket. Oh you got 810 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.840 to bring that fucking chop tease Varsity only the only 811 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.719 the the vaniest among us can yes, gobble that one 812 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.480 up before limited supplies ran out. That's like a fucking 813 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.079 that's like a piece of history in the wild, right. So, uh, 814 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:22.679 cameo is rocking for your for your needs the lapsed Fan, 815 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.239 and it's rogues gallery of characters available to you that way. 816 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.679 With you know so much birthdays and holidays coming up 817 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.920 on the holidays, you don't want to avail yourself of 818 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:37.599 our availability on on cameo. And uh, like I said, 819 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.599 live calls up the wazoo, including a very successful experiment 820 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:42.440 that we did with the a W Live calls for 821 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.320 the Hall in Show where Mama Sorrow joined us. Yes, 822 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.039 we did available still a la carte purchased per match 823 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.400 and thanks to all that supported that that experiment. We 824 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.800 really enjoyed it and feel like it really really came 825 00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.480 together nicely. So those are still available at patreon dot 826 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:00.599 com slash lapsed Fan. 827 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:05.119 Don't forget the Terry the Terry Yaki brother shirt, Terry 828 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.639 Aki brother Ichi ban Ichi ban ye Ichiban. It's it's 829 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.639 all there, It's it's the whole hull. Thanks so much. 830 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.280 I I just forgot. I forgot about some of these shirts. 831 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.239 It's chop A Mania even like Udi Mania and truck 832 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:43.239 Hogan Harukamania, the Japanese yah so stupid. Oh my god. 833 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:49.079 I'm sitting here. I'm looking at a canvas piece that 834 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.519 Chroma Slamb did of me, surrounded by a bunch of wrestlers, 835 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.920 including Hulk Hogan. I'm looking at a wall hanging from 836 00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.440 Tom Fleming, the former w w f R department employee 837 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.679 that we had on and mural that he did for 838 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:03.920 the lobby of Titan Towers with the whole dead center. 839 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.519 I'm looking at a Hulk Hogan has bro redone to 840 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:11.719 look like Cidy dy Udy Mania courtesy of our friends 841 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.639 down in Florida. Gonna come see us soon. I got 842 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.480 a Hulk Hogan fucking uh what do you call it? 843 00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:22.760 Three D printed headphone thing here with his mustache's. 844 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:23.679 He's everywhere he is. 845 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.760 Bookcase, the bookcase is screaming at me with all kinds 846 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:27.480 of Hogan stuff. 847 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.719 Remember remember he was. He was listed as a John 848 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:37.360 Doe in Uh, yes, the rules and we have rules, 849 00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:41.400 do rule rules. I was going through some of Crova 850 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:49.800 Slamsulk shirt Jesus Christ. 851 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.920 I was going through some of the Chroma Slamb's Journey 852 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:54.800 art that he's done. You've seen on our ex account 853 00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.159 when we post like the list of episodes like we 854 00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:58.880 just did for t n H. He's always got such 855 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.719 a wonderful like of the journey in one image and 856 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:03.719 that's and that's the trial of his life. It's Hogan 857 00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:07.159 in a ring with dough rules on his shirt, striking 858 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.400 a pose. And I was like, oh yeah, dough rules 859 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.360 because he was referred to as John Doe in the 860 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:17.199 George Hornan trial because they wanted to avoid publicity around 861 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.960 him and putting things on file in court that would 862 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:21.400 create more of a media stir. 863 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.079 So tremendous, So tremendous. 864 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.320 It's I mean, what did you say to me before 865 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.239 we started recording? He said, Hulk Coogan's dead. Yeah, said 866 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.280 it again? Why did you say it again? 867 00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.440 I I because it's not real yet, was it ever. 868 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:41.159 That's a good point. That's a good point. We don't 869 00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.800 know if he's really dead. Just remember that could mean 870 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.320 his death. I meant justice his life real, but his 871 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.119 life real. We don't know is his death reeal, We 872 00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:53.000 don't know? You know. 873 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:54.440 The thing I know from Hulk his life is a 874 00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.239 series of runs and run ins. We're about to embark 875 00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.880 on one more run for the hulksterre here with. 876 00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:01.719 The and what about what about? You know? Maybe he's 877 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.280 on that island that we always use to talk about, brother, 878 00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.159 at Hawaiian Island where you know people go when they 879 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.119 quote unquote die brother, brother, brother, May you be there? 880 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:20.519 I don't know? You tell me I know? Brother? Great point. 881 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.159 So what the fuck is up? 882 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:26.480 Huh? 883 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:32.559 What you know about it? Nothing? Nothing down. Let's go 884 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:33.679 to the mail bag. What do you say? 885 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.719 Let's do it last time for the Holster to begin 886 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.360 with at least this is the summer mail bag, and 887 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:42.360 we'll be going through as we go and give shout 888 00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:43.840 outs to folks that we know will be joining us 889 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.559 at a comedy village as well, who've been kind enough 890 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.119 to let us know, like count on me pal, they 891 00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.320 they answered the bell as far as sending a little 892 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.400 confirmation our way. So Chris, I want to thank you 893 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.559 very much and look forward to uh, he's coming to 894 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:58.519 his third live show, wow, expecting it to be a 895 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.280 doozy Dave Murray. This is our practice on these meil 896 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:03.320 back shows. We also want to thank folks who have 897 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.599 since the last time we mailbagged, pledged to us on 898 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.000 Patreon and decided that we're worth actual money. So thank 899 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.400 you very much to us, to Dave Murray for his pledge. 900 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:14.639 Shout out to Austin who's going to be taking a 901 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.559 bus from the DC area to make the show. These 902 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.400 folks are not going anywhere near MetLife. Okay, that's what 903 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.039 I love. That's what I fucking love. 904 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:27.320 Okay, I mean, oh, so Ww's coming, So we'll do 905 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.320 the show and we'll get the fans like well, actually 906 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.039 most of them are just coming to see us. 907 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.840 I know, it's hard to believe. That's the fucking truth. 908 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.119 Andrew on Patreon in light of SummerSlam ninety one being 909 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.960 added to the vault, Yeah, this WW vault thing, we got. 910 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:44.119 Our eye on that. Okay, can we talk about that 911 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:44.599 real quick? 912 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.719 I mean, oh, I don't know where they found the 913 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:49.320 person behind that or the people behind that, but you, sir, 914 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.039 have our fucking endorsement, and that's hard to say, because 915 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:53.840 we you know, I set a high bar for. 916 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.679 That ship, and you have our attention. Best way to 917 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.639 put it all right, like we are all these great 918 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.559 American bashes, fucking the I just they have a Sunday 919 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.920 Night Slam show. Those shows have not been available before. 920 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.719 Sunday Night Slam has not been available before the network. 921 00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:17.599 What the fuck? They're getting dirty? 922 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.400 They're getting dirty and LATAs SummerSlam ninety one are very 923 00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:22.719 first show being added to the vault. In hul Cogan's passing, 924 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.920 I re listened to episode one. You two start the 925 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.559 death toll early on because ten dead is a big number. 926 00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.760 Ten dead, that's a big number. God, they're ten dead 927 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.320 in that show, on that show. Yes, there were ten 928 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:34.119 dead when we did it. 929 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:36.039 You think about it. 930 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.679 Now, he says, gentlemen, I must report that in July 931 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.039 of twenty twenty five, some eleven years later, we now 932 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:45.519 stand at twenty three dead. Oh no, we have added 933 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:51.599 Butch Virgil, Animal, Bobby Heenan, Renee Gulay, Pat Patterson, Howard Finkel, 934 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.920 Roddy Piper, gene Oakerland, General Adnan, Colonel Mustafa sid Justice, 935 00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:01.119 and Hulk Hogan to the list. By my account, he 936 00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:03.920 writes there now officially more dead and than alive from 937 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.239 the Slams ninety one. Whoa I repeat, he writes, more 938 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.400 dead than alive. The one thing we must hold on 939 00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:12.679 too in these times is that the warlord could be 940 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:16.199 the last man standing, God. 941 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.159 Willing, God willing. Can do you believe that? That's no, 942 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.920 I can't believe that. Actually, that's hard. That's hard to 943 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:26.519 hate to hear. 944 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.760 It just never never occurred to me when we started 945 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:33.719 doing this that, yeah, we might do it through everybody leaving. 946 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:34.559 You know. 947 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.719 It just seemed like they were timeless and we'll just 948 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.800 revisit it and it'll be great. Are they ever gonna die? 949 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:39.960 No? 950 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.480 Why would they. Let's get to what Jeff had to say, 951 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.920 Boss if you can. Hey, guys, I'll get to Hogan 952 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:48.920 in a minute. But a quick thought on Gene and Heenan. 953 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.079 This recent mini journey has been just as much about 954 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.800 them as Hogan. Well, Hogan brought you in the door. 955 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.239 The humor of those two kept you hooked in those 956 00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:01.239 weeks in those week two week programs build the built 957 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:02.960 to the next time you saw a Hulk on TV. 958 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.440 Gene and Bobby were like your uncle and grandpa, like 959 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.559 when your dad would take you to breakfast and meet 960 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:11.800 with the men of the family without mom and grandma around. 961 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.480 The jokes were a little dirty, a little crass, but 962 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.639 never anything too far. You snickered because you got the 963 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.079 joke and were allowed to laugh without having to explain 964 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.599 how you knew that joke was funny. It's true. It's 965 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.679 a good point. I can never I don't know, I 966 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:28.559 never really got. I don't think I had breakfast. And 967 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.719 I would have never had breakfast my grandfather and my 968 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.719 dad alone because that just would have been okay, that 969 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:39.119 would have been awful. That went awful. My grandfather was 970 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.360 much nicer to his grandchildren than he was to his own. 971 00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.880 Kids understood so like it just would not have happened. 972 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.519 It would never happened. But I appreciate the sentiment. I 973 00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:51.960 definitely had moments where my I can remember something like 974 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.559 the early dirty jokes my dad would share, like just 975 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.360 you know, it's like, oh, my shit, like you you 976 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.519 understand that. In my mind, it was like it was 977 00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:03.639 like it wasn't like how do I know that, It's 978 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:03.960 like how. 979 00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:04.599 Do you know that? 980 00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:05.920 Old man? 981 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:07.119 You know? 982 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.079 But yeah, that's a that's a funny, that's a funny say. Anyway, 983 00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:13.559 So on to Hogan. I don't remember a day where 984 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.079 I wasn't a Hulk of maniac. Based on your conversations, 985 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.440 I assume I am two or three years younger than 986 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.960 you both. I don't and remember anyone sitting me in 987 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.400 front of the TV and saying, this is wrestling. This 988 00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.800 is Hulk Hogan. He is the good guy. Just always 989 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.360 seemed like wrestling was on TV and Hulk was my favorite. 990 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.679 It's strange because my parents weren't wrestling fans. My dad 991 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.880 was very much the I'm not I'm not watching this 992 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.800 Fike stuff type. But I always remember having the Hulk 993 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.880 Hogan wrestling buddy, the Hogan l JN, the Hogan has 994 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.199 bro hell. There's photos of my fourth birthday and the 995 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:53.840 Hulk Hogan cake, And like you, I know, I watched 996 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.519 Hogan and Warrior as a kid, but I have no 997 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.119 idea if it was live or VHS someone or VHS 998 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.199 someone put on for me. But I'll never forget how 999 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:03.559 strange it was to see the face paint worn off 1000 00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:08.320 Warriors face. That's it, you know that. That's probably one 1001 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:13.679 of the most unsettling things as a wrestling fan when 1002 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.480 you're a kid when you know that a wrestler has 1003 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.880 face paint and then you see it kind of chip 1004 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.480 away throughout the course of the match, and instead it's 1005 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:24.480 like no, no, no, no, no no no, why yeah, 1006 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.239 why are you doing that? Didn't one time and wrestle 1007 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.199 mamia say like, is he losing his skin? Like you 1008 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:34.519 didn't understand that it was paint? Yes? Right, oh awful. 1009 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.840 I continue to love wrestling in the Bread era. However, 1010 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.639 like most, I became lapsed by ninety five ninety six. 1011 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.639 But baseball was as much to blame as anything else. 1012 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.519 My summers were devoted into playing baseball. But when I 1013 00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.719 got back to school in nineteen ninety six, the kids 1014 00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:53.280 were talking about WCW. I knew WCW, would never really 1015 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.639 watch it. However, Raise or Ramone and Diesel were now 1016 00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.079 partners with Hulk Hogan, and they were bad guys and 1017 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:03.760 they use their real names. I don't know about Hollywood 1018 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:08.039 Terry Blaya. That wouldn't Yeah, I understand that I was 1019 00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:12.840 hooked again. I had to see this. That's actually fucking funny. Hollywood, 1020 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:20.119 Hollywood Blaya, it's pretty awesome. Instead of Bollywood it's Balaya. 1021 00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:25.360 Would well, oh, my god, No, Bollywood blaya. That's funny. Yeah, 1022 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.599 that's fucking funny. Bollywood Bulaya. Okay, there's a shirt. I'm 1023 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.239 gonna do that one I had. I had to see this. 1024 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.679 Hold on, What is fuck's going on? Here? Oh? Sorry? 1025 00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:40.320 A program came up and all of a sudden just 1026 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.760 said I'm closing now, just letting you know that I'm 1027 00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.400 You've ignored me long enough, so I'm going to close. Okay, 1028 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.119 thanks program. For better or worse. I was hooked on 1029 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.119 wrestling through two thousand and two ish, when life, dating, 1030 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.679 and a social life was more important than continuing to 1031 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.880 watch wrestling. I often wonder if it was healthy for 1032 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:06.159 me to be a wrestling fan, for any of us 1033 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:09.679 to be wrestling fans. It's not. No, that's an easy one. Okay, 1034 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.920 it's not healthy. It's it's a it's a it's a 1035 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.920 it's a drug addiction. It's a bad addiction. It's it's 1036 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:19.039 gonna listen, Being a wrestling fan is going to cause 1037 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.320 you way more harm than good. When being frustrated by 1038 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.320 the product makes you watch it more, that's when you know, 1039 00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:29.639 right exactly. The millennials who didn't watch wrestling weren't conditioned 1040 00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:35.480 to terms like jobber, mid Carter, main eventor preserving your spot. 1041 00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.480 It definitely had a negative effect, as I often worried 1042 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:41.360 about not being a Maine venter in real life, when 1043 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.880 most well adjusted people weren't worried about this kind of 1044 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:48.000 dumb Carnie ship. You gotta have a little bit of 1045 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.760 that Carnie in yet I wasn't gonna come in Andy, 1046 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:56.199 Let's fucking go. Jim knows, Jeene fucking knows knows. 1047 00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:03.880 Exactly how to handle it. I want you to know 1048 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.760 that when we did the Patterson What's up? Boss, that 1049 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.800 was him. That was when we recorded Pat Patterson himself 1050 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:12.199 saying that is you saying brother? 1051 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:17.119 Not because kind of sounds like him. He kind of 1052 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.960 sounds like him for real. That's why I did it out. 1053 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.360 Oh my god, I don't think he's ever said brother 1054 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:25.280 like that, like just that calmly. 1055 00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:29.239 That's from the Wonderful Crumbslam mash up where he goes 1056 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.840 omelets knobs, omelets knobs, Brother, what brother, dude? 1057 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.760 There some vegies of those almost dude, excuse me, he 1058 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.880 said a lot there, which was a little almostude. What 1059 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.920 you put some veggies in those almost dude? Knobs Veggies brother. 1060 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:54.719 And we asked Brian Kobbs to his face, what Hulk 1061 00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:56.360 likes for breakfast? Because of all this ship. 1062 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.519 That's the kind of thing. I mean, poor fucking crippled 1063 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.000 Brian Knobs. Okay, let's think about that. What kind of 1064 00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:05.079 podcast is this? Remember that when we asked him that question. 1065 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.000 Just tell us what he likes for. I don't know 1066 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.960 what do you ask me this for. It's a culinary 1067 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:12.360 it's a culinary podcast. 1068 00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.199 We do a podcast about what wrestlers eat. That's a 1069 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.360 great that'd be a great like excuse stastic. 1070 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.800 Food question, would it? Would we we specialize in wrestler cuisines. 1071 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:25.840 Is when you think about the Ahmed Johnson interview we did, 1072 00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:32.199 what do you remember? I just remember sausage and cheese, 1073 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:35.360 sausage and cheesy from fucking seven to eleven sitting on 1074 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:44.719 his desk there, Oh my god, Johnson, what a trip. 1075 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.639 And of course meat sauce. You know you can't that's 1076 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:50.840 it now, the great sauce, sausage and cheese and omelets. 1077 00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.480 There we go with that. That's the name of that's 1078 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.159 the name of the wrestler Wrestlers Eating podcast. Right, there 1079 00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:03.679 was a corner. Before Hogan died, I thought to send 1080 00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:06.320 you an email asking the question quote, does it used 1081 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.079 to be better? Include Turner employees being embarrassed to sell 1082 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:15.239 ad space during wrestling? Yes, yes it does, Yes, it does. Okay. 1083 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.119 The fact that they're okay with that is not Is 1084 00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.920 this not okay? All right? Like they need to be 1085 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:26.679 miserable wanting to sell ad space to pro wrestling like 1086 00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.920 I want to talk to the people. Yes, Oh my god, 1087 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.039 are they really bringing this ship? Oh my god? Our 1088 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:42.519 number one program is what wait wait, I'm sorry. You 1089 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:44.840 know you said this aw thing. I thought it was 1090 00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:50.920 something legit. It's it's it's like that fake wrestling. Is 1091 00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:57.000 that WrestleMania stuff? You're bringing WrestleMania to Turner Again, that's 1092 00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.159 a way to put it. Well, we are about for 1093 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.239 the audience, but they don't actually own WrestleMania. But that's 1094 00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:09.400 a whole different thing. Oh you get I can give 1095 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:14.159 you this this that my mom one point asked a 1096 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:22.239 question about ask me a question how she didn't understand 1097 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:29.000 that WrestleMania was a show owned by w WH Like 1098 00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:35.320 she thought WrestleMania was like a brand essentially and that 1099 00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.400 and that you know, oh, did did does oh does 1100 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.840 vins mick Man work for WrestleMania? Oh my god, Yes, 1101 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.719 while it was gonna take a long time. Mom Oh, 1102 00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:52.000 it was amazing. Does it used to be better? Include 1103 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:55.360 sponsors in mainstream media avoiding wrestling like it was some 1104 00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:58.960 kind of disease, Yes, yes it does. Those are the 1105 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:02.840 days we're find for. Yes. Hogan is the story of 1106 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:07.159 America Ronald Reagan to today. The faux patriotism of the 1107 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.800 of the nineteen eighties, followed by the shades of gray 1108 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.360 of the nineties that spilled over into the two thousands, 1109 00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.000 the reality show era, and the damage of that era 1110 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.679 we still feel today. The quote everyone has a camera 1111 00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:24.280 era hubbada, Oh yeah, hubbada, that's all he puts down 1112 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:28.840 in parenthes. Hbbada has to be out of retirement, hubbout 1113 00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:34.599 who That followed the quote everyone needs to react to 1114 00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:38.039 the headlines era, followed by this trash fire we stare 1115 00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:41.639 into on a daily basis. Go, Jeff, Yeah, I'm jealous 1116 00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:43.400 of the adult fan who sat in the crowd at 1117 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:46.880 WrestleMania three, the fan who only knew that Andrea the 1118 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:49.480 Giant was a character who turned on Hulk Hogan and 1119 00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:52.239 now he asked to pay for what he did. He 1120 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.400 didn't know their real names, their real lives, whether they 1121 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.280 were shitheads or not. He went to WrestleMania, had a 1122 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.559 great time, and didn't think about his life for a 1123 00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:03.440 few hours. He wasn't required to have an opinion or 1124 00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:07.639 feel guilty for supporting these awful people. I feel warmness 1125 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.119 to my childhood again when I think about Hulk. But 1126 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:12.199 you cannot reflect on the fact that one of the 1127 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:15.559 last images of him healthy is a Donald Trump's shirt. 1128 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.360 Damn fucking right. This is again. This is the conundrum. 1129 00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:25.920 This is the conundrum. Okay, you can't watch the tribute 1130 00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:28.519 and not think about Triple H and Stephanie working with 1131 00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:32.239 RFK Junior, a man whose health policies are making it 1132 00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:36.039 harder for future patients to survive what Triple H survived 1133 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:40.239 with his heart. You can't think of friends who are 1134 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:44.400 going to be negatively affected by Linda McMahon. Also to note, 1135 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.079 I don't really spend time on social media or read it, 1136 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.280 but the people sitting around waiting to gatekeep other people's 1137 00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.960 mourning is fucking gross. Yeah. I agree with that too, 1138 00:59:57.079 --> 00:59:59.320 So Hulk. I've been listening to the Laps fan. Oh 1139 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.519 so Hulk. I've been listening to a LAPS fan for 1140 01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:03.519 more than ten years, and every penny I've given you 1141 01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:06.800 is worth it. From the beginning, what I've loved about 1142 01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.760 this podcast is how it unlocked those memories of the 1143 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.800 birthday where I got my Hasbro ring and a huge 1144 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.559 collection of figures. How my grandma would call my mom 1145 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:18.000 in the summer to tell her to turn on Regis 1146 01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.519 and Kathy Lee so I could see the wrestlers who 1147 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:24.239 got interviewed, and how I love this goofy form of entertainment. 1148 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:28.239 Thanks for everything. I can't wait to hear this mail box. 1149 01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:30.880 Thank you Jeff for getting things started with some smoke. 1150 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:31.400 Damn right. 1151 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:35.360 Yeah, that's a lot of that. A turnover of eras, 1152 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.480 the turnover of the nature of the country all it's 1153 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.960 all there in hul Cogan Caleb Hamilton, we want to 1154 01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:42.480 thank you very much for bumping up your pledge and 1155 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:45.519 sure hope you enjoy the vip tire on Patreon. Matt Anderson, 1156 01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.159 welcome to the executive producer tear. Do enjoy under the 1157 01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:53.320 cinemat and all else what privileges you too? Yep, Andrew 1158 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.239 is a good point in Patreon he writes, this is 1159 01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:57.039 another part of the reason why you should pledge. I mean, 1160 01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.559 some of the smartest, most insightful comments you'll see on 1161 01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:02.480 the topics to Jore the pay per views we live 1162 01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:04.719 call everything are on our Patreon feed. You've got to 1163 01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:08.239 see the comments people put underneath these audiophiles. He writes, 1164 01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.119 I invite you to imagine a world where most things 1165 01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:14.320 stay the same, but Jeane and Heenan stay. Jeane is 1166 01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:17.400 interviewing the Rock on Raw. Heenan is on the call 1167 01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:20.679 instead of Lawlor. Forget it, what are we talking? I mean, 1168 01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:22.840 that's just that I can't. I can't even I can't 1169 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:27.400 you fathom I can't. It's it's it's it's like what. 1170 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:31.679 Welcome back to Row. I don't mind telling you, I'm 1171 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.679 here with my God. Can you imagine. 1172 01:01:36.079 --> 01:02:09.639 Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need 1173 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:45.480 their candy? It's the lapsed fan. He's the lapsed fan 1174 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.840 Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnasio and JP Sorrow. 1175 01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:52.280 Just so's the point that you've been made several times 1176 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.639 like all right, coming up? I got stone Cold Steve 1177 01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:56.719 alson on a hotline. 1178 01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:59.400 We know Hogan made it feel like it's supposed to feel, 1179 01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:03.360 but he was on T once every two months. Yeah, okay, Yes, 1180 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:05.119 it was the stick men like Gene and Bobby and 1181 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:10.519 Gorilla and the rest, Vince, Jesse, Piper perfect, these people 1182 01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.400 that would be the through line. They would be the 1183 01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:18.639 scene setters, they would be the soundtrack Lord al Sean Mooney. 1184 01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:20.440 I'm not saying everyone was great at their job. I'm 1185 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:24.719 just saying that we could receive everything on kind of 1186 01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:28.639 an equal level. Things were all Everything to us was 1187 01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.679 interesting to a point because those people were the voices 1188 01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:34.239 of it. Yeah, gave so many wrestlers had starts in 1189 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.599 terms of getting our attention because it was the same 1190 01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:40.559 voice that proclaimed magic when hul Cogan part of the 1191 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:44.199 curtain or sprung into action via Jesse Ventura or Bobby 1192 01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:48.480 Heenan hyperventilating at the presence of a Hull Cogan. Paul 1193 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:50.800 writes on Patreon co Chairs, I don't believe you've covered 1194 01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.360 Clash the Champions twenty six heen and ww debut. Yes, 1195 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:54.880 we were wondering about that during our batch of the 1196 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:57.480 Beach ninety four show, right, But he makes a good point. 1197 01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.440 We may have played the audio shared in this episode was. 1198 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.800 Well, it was also with the time Time Master as well, 1199 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.800 because I've played the class right and I didn't well, 1200 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:07.880 I wasn't sure if we'd covered it. 1201 01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.280 It was while covering Suberbral four, which was Heenes's first 1202 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.679 w stub pay per view, that we touched on and 1203 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.480 probably played the audio of that debut. And Ram Mansou, 1204 01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:18.320 thank you very much for increasing your pledge. Appreciate the 1205 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:22.119 vote of confidence. Matt wants us to know that what 1206 01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:23.719 we should do for the Hogan Tribute is redo the 1207 01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.199 first nine manias. It's the only Hogan story we haven't 1208 01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.360 done properly. Well, I think in some ways we can 1209 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:31.039 kind of do that because yeah, I don't think people 1210 01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:34.400 want us to deep dive the three hour plus broadcasts again, 1211 01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.199 but there probably is some things when going systematically year 1212 01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:39.840 through yearth with life and times of Hull Code and 1213 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.400 that we can say in and around WrestleManias. We were 1214 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:44.360 just talking about this, think about Saturgnite's main event and 1215 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.840 how so many of those set up WrestleMania's right exactly. 1216 01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:50.280 You know, there's a lot of stuff and in the 1217 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:54.119 main event shows as well, you know, the live Friday 1218 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:56.639 night broadcast on NBC. You know there's a lot of 1219 01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.079 stuff that we that we can we can use to 1220 01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:02.840 help fill in blanks in regards to those and not necessarily. 1221 01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:07.440 I've never I've never thought, even even shows as far 1222 01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:10.480 back as summer some ninety one, I've never thought to myself, Oh, 1223 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:13.119 we should go back and redo it. Redoing it? I 1224 01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:14.599 don't think that doesn't work for me? 1225 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:17.480 Brother, No, no, not quite, not quite in the and 1226 01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:19.000 then this is a way to kind of do that 1227 01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:22.960 without having to literally read these shows. Right, I think 1228 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.199 what will be will be great is and I'm realizing 1229 01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:28.400 this as I talk. I probably should have realized this earlier, 1230 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:30.199 but it would be great if folks could just share 1231 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.400 us their top ten shows, like what are the ten 1232 01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:35.400 pay per views or events that could be television specials 1233 01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:38.599 that we absolutely must give the traditional lapse treatment to 1234 01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:40.400 as part of this journey. And that is to say 1235 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.920 shows we haven't done before top ten because we've come 1236 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:44.280 up with a list of how many was it like 1237 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:47.039 thirty or something like that. Yeah, but that's just a 1238 01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:50.360 spitballing going chronologically through what we know we haven't done. 1239 01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:53.039 But we want to put it on you with much 1240 01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:55.039 more restrictions. We want you to be the ones to 1241 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.639 decide instead of just boiling the ocean, if you really 1242 01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:00.159 had to edit down the absolute essential, whole cocin, what 1243 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:01.920 are the shows that we haven't done that we should 1244 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:04.639 deep dive in traditional format? That I think is a 1245 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:08.400 key part of charting our course here. So among the 1246 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:10.400 many things we're asking you to send to the lapsed 1247 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.039 fan at gmail dot com are those lists, and we'll 1248 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:14.880 compare and contrast them. Of course, we're not going to 1249 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.400 commit to doing any one person's list, but if we 1250 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:19.599 see echoes across the list's boss, I think it's pretty 1251 01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:21.920 safe to say yes, that show should be on it. 1252 01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:23.639 Agreed, b C. 1253 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:26.000 We want to thank you very much for your pledge. Meyermania, 1254 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:27.960 thanks very much for all your support in your recent 1255 01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:30.679 increase in pledge. Dorian writes on Patreon, it's part of 1256 01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:32.800 me that doesn't want this episode to end. He's talking 1257 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:35.880 about what else Bash at the Beach nineteen ninety four Ye, 1258 01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:38.000 in the wake of Hulkogan's passing. We've got a whole 1259 01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:40.599 other round of comments on that episode because the new 1260 01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:44.719 poignancy brought to it, he writes. Once it's over, there 1261 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:46.440 will never be an episode that will feel like this. 1262 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:46.800 Again. 1263 01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:50.239 Yeah, the death toll will take a long time to 1264 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.280 get used to with Hogan in it. Yes, yep, have 1265 01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:58.519 you adjusted? No, Mike, I mean listen, can you imagine? 1266 01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:00.639 Can you imagine like I mean, the the first show 1267 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:02.360 get when we get to the first show on this 1268 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:05.559 Hogan tribute that includes a death toll, He'll be on it. 1269 01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:15.960 Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's weird. It's weird, it's it's 1270 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.119 it's borderline unacceptable. 1271 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:21.079 I think we'd be comfortable by now, but we're actually 1272 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:24.920 entering the least comfortable phase we've ever been in. Yeah, 1273 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.920 oh yeah, Mike writes subject line hoof Hey, coach chairs 1274 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:30.639 or hope you and yours are doing well. Good luck 1275 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:32.920 with August third and with how you proceed following the 1276 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:34.840 death of all Cogan. I'm sure you'll give myself and 1277 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:36.440 the rest of the LAPS fan solar system the best 1278 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:39.360 content tributing terry that is humanly possible. That said, you 1279 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:41.400 have welcomed ideas, and wilst I don't think my ideas 1280 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:43.679 are going to touch what YouTube geniuses will create for 1281 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:46.960 us lapsed fans, here goes eighties WWF. Crazy as this sounds, 1282 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:48.639 I feel like there is no need to go into 1283 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.079 too much detail into peak Hogan fame. TLF is, in 1284 01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:53.280 and of itself, a Hogan tribute, always has been, and 1285 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:55.400 will continue to be one going forward. Every time you 1286 01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:57.760 revisit the next set of three Colisseum tapes, you will 1287 01:07:57.840 --> 01:07:59.840 teach us more about the Holtster. At that time, you 1288 01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:02.400 will also still have at least four eighties pay per 1289 01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:04.880 views to Deep Dive, not to mention Saturday Night's main 1290 01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:06.599 event shows you can use to teach us more about 1291 01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:08.519 Terry Hulk Cogan. I just think, is the next few 1292 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.000 years of TLF unfold, you could honor this part of 1293 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:13.719 his career life just by doing TLF business as usual. Yeah, 1294 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.840 I think that's what we're saying. Yeah, yeah, I think so. 1295 01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:18.840 Yeah. It's kind of it'll feel. 1296 01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:20.840 Like we're just picking shows like we always do, but 1297 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:23.760 we'll just bias shows that Hulk Cogan was a part of, 1298 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:25.399 which is a lot of the ones that people want 1299 01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:26.159 us to do anyway. 1300 01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:27.159 Yep. 1301 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:29.880 He then writes seventies Slash two thousand and two WWFE 1302 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.159 run with the above in mind, I suggest rewatching key 1303 01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:34.000 moments from No Way Out two thousand and two T 1304 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:36.319 and H style. It works when you both watch matches 1305 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:38.479 and segments during the episode. You've done it for Terry, 1306 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.600 Sid Virgil, et cetera, and it was mostly how you 1307 01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:42.680 structured TNH. The only other thing I could think of 1308 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:44.880 is covering some seventy stuff that you may have access to. 1309 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:47.039 Don't know if you have his Heel run original match 1310 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:50.199 with Andrea et cetera. Well, we'll see about that. Awa. 1311 01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:52.359 I know you both love the Aaba Journey way back 1312 01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:54.399 when and it started with Hogan leaving. Perhaps there are 1313 01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:55.880 a few big matches you may have access to that 1314 01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:57.279 could be good to be included. 1315 01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:00.920 We you know, I did stumble upon something. Oh really, 1316 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:04.079 if you have mischief in your voice, I do, I do. 1317 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:05.800 I mean, I don't mind telling you right now that 1318 01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:09.920 I forgot that I downloaded a while back. Ah an 1319 01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.960 aw a tape from nineteen ninety the Best of Hull Cogan. 1320 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:16.680 Oh yeah, so we've got a lot of We've got 1321 01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:19.159 some Hull Cogan stuff in there, like at least an 1322 01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.960 hour's worth of Hull Cogan and stuff that, you know, 1323 01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:25.760 probably stuff we haven't seen before. Probably yep, I'm sure 1324 01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:27.800 they have the Bachwinkle match, but other stuff we haven't 1325 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:28.199 seen before. 1326 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.439 You know, I know that exact tape, and I'm trying 1327 01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:33.760 to remember where along the way we incorporated that. It 1328 01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:36.520 was probably the I know what it was. It was 1329 01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:39.479 when we did the nineteen eighty four Genuarly ninetety four 1330 01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:42.079 Madison Square Garden Show where he beats Iron Cheek. 1331 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:42.359 For the title. 1332 01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:44.880 Yeah, went through that tape a bit and try to, 1333 01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.119 you know, pick out some of the the last vestiges 1334 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:50.039 of Hull Comania and in AWA because I know that 1335 01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:54.439 Ye Eric Bischoff in a green screen, right is the MC. 1336 01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:57.880 For thatsh Off right right, It's like it's it's crazy. 1337 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:01.119 It's well, it's just crazy. How it's It's like, it's 1338 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:04.439 it's it's it's it's wild because obviously they can do it, 1339 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:07.039 they own the footage. How they were just trying to 1340 01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:08.600 cash Oh yeah, ride. 1341 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:10.720 The wave because you know, somewhere in his mind, vern's 1342 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:12.680 like I made the fucking guy because the first time 1343 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:14.680 anyone said Hull Camania he was in the A w A. 1344 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.199 I mean, the first whole Camania t shirt was in 1345 01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:21.399 the AWA. To deal with that reality, I mean, they 1346 01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:22.760 put him in the ring and he was just so 1347 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:25.600 over as a baby face after Rocky three, that their 1348 01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:28.279 original plans to have him be a mount monster heel 1349 01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.600 managed by Johnny Valiant went right out the fucking window 1350 01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.920 within a matter of months because after Rocky three he 1351 01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:36.600 was just too fucking over. He was too the fans 1352 01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:38.680 wanted him to be a good guy just so badly 1353 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:41.119 that they just went with it, and thus the whole 1354 01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:45.079 coach and we all know was born. He writes, simply, 1355 01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:47.159 put on, like Sid Terry Funk, Virgil Sabu would Hall, 1356 01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:48.439 I don't think you need to keep doing show after 1357 01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:50.399 show until you feel he's fully tributed. I feel like 1358 01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:52.279 you'd be tributing him for several years to come. Yeah, 1359 01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:54.279 it'll feel ograntic in that way. I know exactly what 1360 01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:56.560 it means, perhaps until the cast comes to an end 1361 01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:59.239 years down the line. Thanks for indulging my message is 1362 01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:01.079 ever Thank you for the asked. You guys are a gift. Well, 1363 01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:02.920 thank you, Mike, thanks for your support and for taking 1364 01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:05.319 the time to write in some very insightful stuff there. 1365 01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:05.680 Nick. 1366 01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:08.119 Thank you very much for joining that mote tier for 1367 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:12.600 only the bravest among us, and we understand it's a plunge. Sure, 1368 01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:16.560 what a way to express support for what we do. 1369 01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:18.399 And what a way to say, you know what this 1370 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:22.520 actually can be if you come real enough, you actually 1371 01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:25.439 can make money. You know, like it's not just some 1372 01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:29.800 like bullshit like you know, crying for penny stuff. It's like, no, 1373 01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:33.239 you guys are doing something that deserves to be compensated 1374 01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:35.600 like any high level production. And that's that's what's up, 1375 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:38.159 and that's the proof, and that's why people to this 1376 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:40.359 day just knocking our doors out of nowhere like hey, 1377 01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:41.319 I saw, yeah, I know it. 1378 01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:43.479 You saw you saw the Patreont number. I know its 1379 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.640 just saw Nick. 1380 01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:47.399 Thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome to the 1381 01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:50.439 Executive Producer tier, my friend. We appreciated Morgan Cameron. A 1382 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:53.199 lot of these folks jumped up because of the call 1383 01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:55.399 we made available, the call between the Boss and I 1384 01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:58.159 sharing the news of all covens passing. That available exclusively 1385 01:11:58.199 --> 01:11:59.800 in the MOTE tier. So we want to thank the 1386 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.920 the new arrivals there. So that's Morgan included. Thank you 1387 01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:06.079 very much for your momp. Jacob had a great email. 1388 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:07.520 We're going on and on about what we should do 1389 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:09.600 about Hogan, and we put a next post out there 1390 01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:11.960 and an Instagram post asking people what we should do. 1391 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:16.039 Jacob just wrote, you should do an episode about hul Cogan. Thanks, 1392 01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:19.560 I think we got that covered great. 1393 01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:20.800 I think that's great. 1394 01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:23.399 Tyler writes, I'm sure you're inundated with emails, so I'll 1395 01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:26.039 keep this brief. I feel Backlash O two needs to 1396 01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:28.119 be part of the Hogan coverage. Something tells me, Boss, 1397 01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.039 when we get those top ten lists, Backlash OH two 1398 01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:30.920 is going to be on most of them. 1399 01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:34.640 I think it's going to be very, very, very popular. 1400 01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:36.399 There's nothing more hul Cogan than the way he came 1401 01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:38.840 back into that company and within a month Triple H 1402 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.359 was like losing to him. Triple H, the guy who 1403 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.760 could manufacture any circumstance he wanted to stay on top, 1404 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:49.239 the ultimate manipulator of circumstance, had to fall and pray 1405 01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:52.920 at the knees of the Holkster. So satisfying to see 1406 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:55.960 happen in so many ways. He has to win that 1407 01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.119 Stris app one final time. Tyler writes, Also, one show 1408 01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:03.039 I've wanted needed for years now. Yeah, man, every show 1409 01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:05.000 people have needed is going to be in this ho contribute. 1410 01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:07.840 I think, right, I really have our time thinking about 1411 01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:10.520 one of the real big we've needed this one for 1412 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.239 year shows that won't fit into what we're about to do. 1413 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:17.319 I mean, and it's funny again, like you said, it's 1414 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:21.760 it's it's interesting how all these shows are Hull Hogan. 1415 01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:26.399 It's about Hull Cogan. It's not really you know, there 1416 01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:33.479 aren't really other shows that people need that aren't Hogan. Yeah. 1417 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.960 Yeah, because that's what they need about it is yep, 1418 01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:38.800 as they know us at Hogan works, and so they 1419 01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:40.880 just want all of it, you know, and we can 1420 01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:42.640 only get to so much as the years have turned. 1421 01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:47.560 Paul E cautiously writes on Patreon, Lap serendipity. Indeed, while 1422 01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:50.000 if anyone was deserving a full journey as Hogan, the 1423 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:51.960 nineteen ninety four Bash at the Beach episode is a 1424 01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:53.960 great sendoff for the Hulkster, and the chairman did an 1425 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.479 admirable job without knowing the eventual weait this episode would carry. 1426 01:13:57.720 --> 01:13:59.960 I look forward to the decade long retrospective there about 1427 01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:03.840 to unleash and unsuspecting but completely prepared Solar system. That's 1428 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:05.680 another thing. It's nice to know bosses, we know they're 1429 01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.039 ready for it, you know, we know we've earned their 1430 01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:09.960 trust by doing things like this for other wrestlers in 1431 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:12.720 the past or other subjects in the past, we would 1432 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:14.439 I think we probably would have been a little hesitant 1433 01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:16.840 in those early days if Hogan died in twenty fifteen, 1434 01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:19.920 to turn the whole thing over to a Hogan Michi. 1435 01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:24.520 I also think too, you know. You know what what 1436 01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:31.000 I think also helps is is I think why these tributes. 1437 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.239 I think why we feel comfortable doing tributes that can 1438 01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:42.079 go long, forever and forever or for whatever need, you know, 1439 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:46.039 like doing you know what six months of Terry Funk. 1440 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:49.119 The reason we can do that is because we also 1441 01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:55.119 have so much you know, already already locked and loaded 1442 01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:57.560 in the chain totally from the past, you know. Yeah. 1443 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:01.479 So it's like we've we we built up credibility, We've 1444 01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:08.399 built up confidence, and so it it can you know, it'll. 1445 01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:10.359 I mean I get motivated to climb a mountain, but 1446 01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.159 I get even more motivated to fill in you know 1447 01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:14.319 what I mean, things that happen. 1448 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:15.920 Oh took care of that, to care of that. 1449 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:19.039 You know, it's like the huge peaks the valleys are 1450 01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:23.399 now about to be agressed. As I said, absolutely, I 1451 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:26.920 look forward to the decade long retrospective. Prepared Jack's closing statement, 1452 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:30.000 Paul writes of quote, Hulk Hogan is still Hulk Cogan 1453 01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:32.600 and everything is going to be all right. Was perfect, 1454 01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:34.600 that is in fact the last thing I said. 1455 01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:40.039 That's right. That's freaking crazy that he died after that. Yeah, unreal. Well, 1456 01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.479 we have a retrospective here from Gareth. This one is 1457 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:43.000 so great. 1458 01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:45.840 This would have been one that really would have been 1459 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:48.600 lovely to land in our mailbox. As we went to 1460 01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:51.279 the tail end of TNH, we're going along boss and 1461 01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:55.239 we realize, my god, Hulk Cogan's last match was on 1462 01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:59.840 some untelevised UK swing that they did in the Blue 1463 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.279 White Impact Wrestling days. I just can't where he just 1464 01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:06.119 came out and you know, his T shirt and wind 1465 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:10.159 pants and sneakers and you know, technically participated in a match, 1466 01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:13.119 and that that was the final wrestling match of Hulk Hogan. 1467 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:14.760 Ish. 1468 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:19.319 It's part of why we had that kind of half melancholy, 1469 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:21.960 half celebratory feeling when he died, because we did ten 1470 01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:25.079 H and we know that he did not go out 1471 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.319 as Hull Cogan should have gone out in the wrestling business, 1472 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:28.199 not even close. 1473 01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:41.279 I mean yeah, I mean again again, it's like they 1474 01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:45.960 don't let themselves do that. Apparently, not they don't allow themselves. 1475 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.479 I mean it's also it is it is hard. There 1476 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:56.920 aren't many people. There aren't many. Jerry Seinfeld's right, there 1477 01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:01.880 aren't many, No, really are you know, David where Letterman. 1478 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.399 You know these guys who who who say, you know what, 1479 01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:07.159 now is the time and they have the balls actually 1480 01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:09.199 followed through with it because you look at you look 1481 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:12.000 at actors like even Sean John Stewart came back for more. 1482 01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:14.960 He had a great send off. But even then, like 1483 01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:17.680 think about people who retire a lot of times, they 1484 01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:23.439 retire against Sean Connery after a movie tanks, right, you know, 1485 01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:28.239 Gene Hackman, same thing, Like, here are these legendary actors 1486 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.920 who you want to almost go out, you know, on 1487 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.720 an Academy Award type movie, a movie where they win 1488 01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.279 an Oscar or a movie that makes billions and billions 1489 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:43.239 of dollars. But they don't. They go out when something sucks. 1490 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.039 That's when they're kind of in the like that's it's 1491 01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:53.520 it's the it's it's ballsy to actually go out on 1492 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:56.840 a high note. Yeah, you know, it's balls y. Yeah, 1493 01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:58.840 because you don't overstay. You're welcome, and that's a very 1494 01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:05.319 difficult thing. To get right right anyway, Dear co Chairs, 1495 01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:07.399 the idea of having come on board just a little 1496 01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:10.399 too late has always been an overwhelmingly overwhelming feeling for 1497 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:13.159 me when it comes to wrestling. Being around the same 1498 01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:16.279 age as the co chairs, wrestling was always on my radar, 1499 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.399 although too young to remember barely anything as it was 1500 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:22.600 canceled in nineteen eighty eight. My grandmother was a huge 1501 01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:26.880 fan of World of Sport British Wrestling on TV. Another 1502 01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.119 thing we've done a decent amount of Under the Cinemat, 1503 01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.079 only because of Under the Cinemat, only because of Under 1504 01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:36.880 the Cinemat and Pat Roach, you know, specifically, if I 1505 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:43.039 remember correctly, he was on on the last episode of 1506 01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:46.800 the Wrestling I think we you know, and he talks 1507 01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:48.439 about it in his book and he did a speech 1508 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:53.079 and everything, and I think we played it. We remember this, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1509 01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:58.680 we played an interview. Yeah, but a bit of And 1510 01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:00.840 I was aware of the existence of WWE from the 1511 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:03.520 snippets i'd managed to catch on my aunt's house as 1512 01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:05.720 they had Sky Television, but try as I did, my 1513 01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:11.720 parents would not get us that prized satellite dish, so 1514 01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:14.680 WW on free TV and whatever tapes I could beg 1515 01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:20.199 Borrow and Steal were my only exposure as the final 1516 01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:22.359 as the final years of w hul Comania war on, 1517 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:25.359 Yet everyone knew that Hulk Hogan was the man, and finally, 1518 01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:29.119 around my ninth birthday in May nine ninety three, had happened. 1519 01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:30.920 Oh man, I feel like I know where this is going. 1520 01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:34.840 My parents were going to get Sky TV, yes, mainly 1521 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:38.079 as my dad wanted to watch Premier League football soccer, 1522 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:41.960 but it didn't matter. Having stayed overnight in my aunt's 1523 01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:44.239 house to watch Wrestlmania nine live, Oh my god, it 1524 01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:47.720 was finally happening. I could watch WWETV every single week 1525 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:51.079 from home, also taping every single show to watch again 1526 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:54.600 at my grandparents' house with my grandfather, who maintained that 1527 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.279 wrestling was a shoot until the day he died in 1528 01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:03.800 two thousand and one. I don't care the way you 1529 01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:07.880 say over that. All right, I'm gonna tell you right now, Yes, 1530 01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:18.880 it's fucking real. Those stupid cunts over in America telling 1531 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:21.359 you it's not real. It's fucking real. It can't possibly 1532 01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:30.399 be real. It's real. Niceably, I love that. But as 1533 01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:35.119 soon as I hit Gold, Disasters struck, wrestling was rapidly 1534 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:38.159 losing interest my school friends, who were all swapping wrestling 1535 01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:41.680 stickers and having schooler discussions about SummerSlam and Surviversaries ninety two. 1536 01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:46.600 We're moving on by night. By SummerSlam nineteen ninety three, 1537 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:49.720 I was barely the only kid still watching, and even worse, 1538 01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.119 the stars I was so desperate to watch were disappearing 1539 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:55.680 week by week. Who the fuck are men on a mission? 1540 01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.399 Why is the MOUNTI now called Jacques? Where the real 1541 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.640 stars like Warrior Gune? And why isn't Macho Man wrestling anymore? 1542 01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:07.159 But it was Hulk, but it was okay. Hulk was 1543 01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:09.840 the WWE champion and the rest I could live with. 1544 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:14.159 We know the rest, and Hulk was gone by SummerSlam. 1545 01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:16.920 That's the funny thing. I just love that he's not 1546 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:20.159 gone by SummerSlam. To me, No, he's gone by King 1547 01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:21.920 of the RG. Oh yeah, but because he's in the UK, 1548 01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:26.000 that's the last summer but not him. Yep, exactly. The 1549 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:28.760 house shows they were promoting on Sky against Yokozuna led 1550 01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:32.359 to nothing on TV. Yep, Hulk popped up in WW 1551 01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:35.159 but it wasn't the same. Yes, it was better than nothing, 1552 01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:38.880 but this wasn't what I wanted. Even if me and 1553 01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:42.520 Jeene and Heenan were there to keep him company. Over 1554 01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:44.920 here in Europe, the steroid trial didn't make the headlines 1555 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:47.600 at all, so it was all so confusing. I wanted 1556 01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:51.000 Hulk in the WWE. God damn it. I wanted it 1557 01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:55.039 to be nineteen ninety two, WW Forever the stars I'd 1558 01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:58.000 been deprived of all under the WW banner, just like 1559 01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:05.159 I've longed for the nineties. Trump trundled on and I 1560 01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:08.119 tried to catch up on the nineteen eighties and very 1561 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:11.239 early nineties stuff that I'd missed by way of borrowing 1562 01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:13.880 or buying whatever Colisseum video releases I could get my 1563 01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:18.079 hands on. Traveling to watch WB or even WW wrestling 1564 01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:22.319 shows wasn't an option growing up in rural Wales. Traveling 1565 01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:25.960 to England's big cities just wasn't something you did. But 1566 01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:29.520 as we know, by twenty ten, Hogan was in TNA, 1567 01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:33.000 the promotion I've been most closely following since the mid 1568 01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:35.760 two thousands. Man, you poor son of a bit. 1569 01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:37.920 That's why TNA was so big in the UK. It 1570 01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:41.359 was a chance for this generation to experience a lot 1571 01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:42.039 of those stars. 1572 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:47.439 Yeah yuess So as adults and with Hulk on the 1573 01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:51.840 poster and now working and in a position of having 1574 01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:56.439 disposable income, it was a no brainer. But little did 1575 01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:58.760 I know that a house show at Manchester Arena in 1576 01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.880 January twenty twelve was to be the Big Man's final 1577 01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:09.359 match ever. Attending the show with a friend having only 1578 01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:13.479 expected a Hogan promo, the show wore on, but come 1579 01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:18.000 mean of end time, still no appearance. Was he going 1580 01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:24.239 to even show up? A six man tag? And I 1581 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:28.279 of the Tigers started to play as hulk Amnia was 1582 01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:35.680 displayed on the big screen. Fuck. No one had seen 1583 01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:37.520 Hulk come out to I of the Tiger since around 1584 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:42.520 eighty six. I was a kid again. Never before or 1585 01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:45.840 since have I regressed so much to the extent that 1586 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:48.119 I was a nine year old kid again, transfixed on 1587 01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:51.399 the TV as Hulk Hogan waltzed out with his disgusting 1588 01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:57.119 black eye at WrestleMania. I mean, think about this too, Okay, 1589 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:00.279 remember remember. 1590 01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:03.079 What was it? 1591 01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:09.840 What WrestleMania thirty five? Thirty five? The one I went 1592 01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:13.079 to in uh yeah, the last one went to Yeah? Okay, 1593 01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:17.039 And I and I you know, the first match we 1594 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:19.840 know is gonna be They're going to open with uh 1595 01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:23.279 with Seth and Brock, and I decided I didn't care 1596 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:27.119 that much, and I'm gonna go get my kid some 1597 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:30.399 some you know, a shirt or a toy or something 1598 01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:33.079 like that. But then as I'm walking, as I'm walking 1599 01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:36.680 down from our nosebleed seats, and I leave the arena 1600 01:24:37.680 --> 01:24:39.840 for two seconds, and then all of a sudden, Real 1601 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:45.680 American comes blaring on and I run back up to 1602 01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:49.159 our seat so we can record that ship because I 1603 01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:52.960 knew and I'm not gonna miss hul Kogan in WrestleMania, 1604 01:24:54.960 --> 01:25:01.479 no fucking way, exactly exactly. I mean, that's why listen 1605 01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:08.079 if you listen to our Saturday Night's main event coverage 1606 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:14.560 from this past whatever it was December, you listen to that. 1607 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.159 Were we not excited at first to see Hulk Cocain? 1608 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:21.319 Oh yeah, the moment that the music hit, we scream, 1609 01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:25.720 we go crazy, and then it slowly dawns on you that, 1610 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:27.279 oh wait a minute, this is the same guy who's 1611 01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:32.920 a piece of shit. It's weird. It's a very weird thing. 1612 01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:37.359 Because again, this is this is this is the this 1613 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:43.079 is the problem with being a wrestling fan because it 1614 01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:50.479 is hard. It is hard at times to differentiate the 1615 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:53.920 man from the character, or the woman from the character 1616 01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:59.800 or whatever, and that is that that's that's the that's 1617 01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:03.199 the that's a huge issue, huge issue. Well, so many 1618 01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:04.800 of them are the same and so many of them 1619 01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:08.359 are not. The thing is. But the thing is, though, 1620 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:12.840 is that you can forgive the character. The character can 1621 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:17.239 be forgiven pretty easily. The human being behind it. Not 1622 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:22.399 always because the character you know, you love or you 1623 01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:24.960 hate based on what they do in the ring on TV. 1624 01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:30.680 You don't judge per se the character like you do 1625 01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:35.479 the human being. I'm not gonna judge. Listen, the Whole 1626 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:40.000 Cogan character that I grew up with on on on 1627 01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:43.359 as a kid in late ninety one and early ninety two, 1628 01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:47.079 he didn't have sex at all. So there's no way 1629 01:26:47.079 --> 01:26:48.720 there would be a sex tape because he's an a 1630 01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:54.439 sexual individual. Okay, no wrestler had sex. In my mind, 1631 01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:57.159 like I didn't even think about it. And there was 1632 01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:01.359 no way that Whole Cogan was a racist, and there 1633 01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:05.039 was no way that that Whole Cogan would support anybody 1634 01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:08.319 who would destroy the or try to destroy the country. 1635 01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.560 But that's not Terry Burlett, that's Hull Cogan. That's the 1636 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:18.239 character hul Cogan that that's that's the weird, that's that's 1637 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:22.800 that again, that's the problem. That is the problem because 1638 01:27:23.680 --> 01:27:28.880 because they're so because we because that they're that they 1639 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:35.439 there was such that that blending of the fiction and 1640 01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:40.239 the reality in wrestling, there that there has been because 1641 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:44.439 you got to begin. You know, they insist on on 1642 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:50.159 on portraying everything as a shoot. It's why you can't. 1643 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:57.479 It's why you know, you can watch say, okay, Star Wars, 1644 01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:00.640 or you can watch a James Bond movie and you 1645 01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:03.199 don't have to. You don't even I don't even know 1646 01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:06.800 the politics of the guys who played James Bond. I 1647 01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.159 don't know. I just know James Bond. I don't know 1648 01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:12.119 you know, Sean con I mean outside of his tex 1649 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:14.760 stuff that we've talked about, you know, but in terms 1650 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:18.119 of you know, I mean, we know, we know, but 1651 01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:22.680 it's like I don't whether I agree, it doesn't get 1652 01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:25.439 in the way of my enjoyment of James Bond. James 1653 01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:30.239 Bond is James Bond. I'm gonna love the movie. That's 1654 01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:36.680 that's the difference, is that they blurred the lines so 1655 01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:40.960 much that it is hard for wrestling fans. It's hard, 1656 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:44.399 and it's even harder for people who aren't wrestling fans. 1657 01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:53.680 Two understand why wrestling fans, no matter where they are 1658 01:28:54.760 --> 01:29:03.439 on the political social spectrum, why they can be why 1659 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:06.880 they'd want to pay tribute to this person Because we're 1660 01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:10.239 not paying tribute to Terry Blea. We're paying tribute to 1661 01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:12.119 the character of Hulk Hogan. Yeah. 1662 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:15.520 And to have fans decided us whether they can be 1663 01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:17.800 two different people, and the fans decided in his case 1664 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.039 they can't be. If the fans don't boo when he 1665 01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:21.840 comes out as Hull Cogan. After all this, we would 1666 01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:25.039 be perfectly within our rights to receive him as we 1667 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:27.720 receive James Bond instead of Sean Connery. Yep, it's that 1668 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:30.920 live audience component that makes the difference. 1669 01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:32.760 I think of what he allen but it's but it's 1670 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.760 also but it's also too because think about it like this, 1671 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:41.680 James James Bond wouldn't come out and support Donald Trump. 1672 01:29:43.039 --> 01:29:47.399 Well no, I mean he's not a real person. Hulk 1673 01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:49.359 Cogan is not a real person. Well we know that 1674 01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:52.079 for sure, But you know what I mean, Like again, 1675 01:29:52.239 --> 01:29:54.640 this is this is where the problem is is that 1676 01:29:54.960 --> 01:30:01.239 is that is that people when you see Terry Blea 1677 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:06.800 out on the campaign with you know, I'm at that 1678 01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:10.279 at the fucking Republican National Convention with fucking Donald Trump, 1679 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:11.920 which just like we saw the rock at the Republican 1680 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.760 National Convention in two thousand, right right, when you see 1681 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:21.680 these guys there, it becomes even more confusing. 1682 01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:25.359 It doesn't because the conventions buying the character, right, and 1683 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.840 they're willing to sell the character. Like it would be 1684 01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:29.479 the same exact thing. On the other way, like if 1685 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.960 if James you also wouldn't see James Bond come out 1686 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:35.760 for the Democratic National Convention for abomba, that'd be just absurd, 1687 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:37.640 Like what does James Bond being on the stage. 1688 01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:39.520 It would it would be completely absurd. 1689 01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:42.239 Like Trump, Trump is one of those introduce He's one 1690 01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:44.600 of those gimmicks. You know, there is there is a 1691 01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:47.880 He's a gimmick. And so of course it makes sense 1692 01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:49.800 that he's got room under the tent for these half 1693 01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:54.239 gimmick things, because that's that's how he became a bajillionaire. 1694 01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:57.720 I know, and and again but but but what I'm 1695 01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:02.039 what I'm saying though, is that it this because I'm again, 1696 01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:05.000 I just keep thinking of so many people who I'm 1697 01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:08.760 friends with who have posted things who are like, how 1698 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:12.520 can people feel this way about about this this this 1699 01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:18.720 this you know, awful human band? And it's like, because 1700 01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:21.159 I don't feel that way. For Terry Blea Wolverine isn't 1701 01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:24.439 gonna get caught on a wire tap, making Slight have 1702 01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:27.720 to worry about it exactly, you know, don't get to 1703 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.800 have that. You're not going to catch Batman on a 1704 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:33.319 fucking sex tape, all right, Batman's not gonna sue Gawker, 1705 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:40.399 you know, like like this, this is and and and 1706 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:47.319 so it's just it's it's it's so it's so bizarre 1707 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:49.920 and it's so crazy. Like all the wrestlers have done 1708 01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:52.760 fucked up ship. You know, this is the one that 1709 01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:55.119 just you can't you can't get around it. You know, 1710 01:31:55.199 --> 01:31:56.760 you can't like no, you know what I mean, you 1711 01:31:56.800 --> 01:32:00.199 can't not bring it up. We can't talk around it. No, No, 1712 01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:02.359 all these other you know, not all of these, but 1713 01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:04.279 there's so many wrestlers. There's so much fucked up shit. 1714 01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:06.600 Like you could lay out the fact pattern of like 1715 01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:08.800 Savage and Liz in a way where you're like whoa 1716 01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:12.279 or like Savagen of course his relationship with Stephanie Beller's 1717 01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:16.199 Gorge George and the taping her and stuff. You this 1718 01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:19.520 was just about any carne motherfucker. Really, It's just that 1719 01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:20.960 Hogan had a wire tap. 1720 01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:24.600 But uh, you know, his is just a key. 1721 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:28.199 We can't have nice things because Hull Cogan should have 1722 01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:30.760 been something we could take to the grave. Yeah, just 1723 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:36.680 like Superman, Spider Man anything like that. But whatever, No, Gareth, Gareth, 1724 01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:39.479 Gareth went out there. Gareth was watching as Hull Cogan 1725 01:32:39.560 --> 01:32:40.159 came out in the UK. 1726 01:32:41.399 --> 01:32:46.239 Yep, yes he was. Uh, here we go. So I 1727 01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:49.720 kidding in Uh, finally, in my late twenties, I was 1728 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:52.640 expecting what I'd seen hundreds of thousands of American and 1729 01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:55.600 Canadian kids being able to do with huge envy. At 1730 01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:59.479 the time, the match or any star rating was inconsequential. 1731 01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:03.680 The fact was that I'd finally seen Hulk Hogan wrestle. 1732 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:07.039 A year later, the Big Man was back for TV taping, 1733 01:33:07.199 --> 01:33:09.800 even showing up for a meet and greet, which allowed 1734 01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:13.880 me to briefly shake Hogan's absolutely massive hand and get 1735 01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:17.840 a photo taken with the icon. I had no idea 1736 01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:23.000 at the time that this was his last match. Why 1737 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:25.319 would it be, Why would it be in a six 1738 01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:28.359 man tag in front of forty two hundred fans and 1739 01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:31.960 a house show in England. Surely TNA or even WWE 1740 01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:36.079 would promote one final match, but as the year years 1741 01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:41.319 wore on, it became clear that this wouldn't happen. Fast 1742 01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:45.039 forward to twenty twenty five probably speaks volumes about his 1743 01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:48.920 chaotic private life that my first thought upon reading the 1744 01:33:49.159 --> 01:33:53.159 initial reports of Hulk Hogan's death were, Oh, this is more, 1745 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:58.319 This is more Bubba the love sponge bullshit. When I 1746 01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:02.920 saw the w B tweeted, it hit home and my 1747 01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:06.199 first thought was just sadness. Sadness about how the greatest 1748 01:34:06.279 --> 01:34:09.960 career in wrestling had disintegrated to him being booed in 1749 01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:13.239 his last w B appearance, how his family unit had 1750 01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:16.520 been ripped apart, and his well, I would say, he'll 1751 01:34:16.840 --> 01:34:19.720 he allowed it to be ripped it apart. Yeah, yeah, 1752 01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:21.920 I mean, you know, like his infidelity. It was a 1753 01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:24.680 big thing here, folks. It wasn't just that it was 1754 01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:26.920 ripped apart. He did a he was a I'm not 1755 01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:29.079 saying he was completely at fault, but he had a 1756 01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:33.600 big fucking part in it, big fucking part. And his 1757 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:36.920 death being subject to joy and ridicule by a large 1758 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:40.960 chunk of your wrestling twitterati. I found a lot of 1759 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:43.560 the reaction to be largely dependent on age and when 1760 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:47.520 you were a fan. Absolutely, of course, absolutely, that's of course, 1761 01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:49.680 you know, if you don't, if you didn't grow up 1762 01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:51.359 with him, of course why would you. 1763 01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:53.079 Yeah, if you don't have anything to lose by saying 1764 01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:55.399 fuck that guy, if you don't have any like personal 1765 01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:58.039 conflict like that, of course it's easy to say that 1766 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:00.359 guy sucks, Like, shut the fuck up, right, You don't 1767 01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:02.600 have to, you don't have to deal with the fact that, 1768 01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:05.239 like he was so formational, you. 1769 01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:12.600 Know, right right, get it, Crispin Juan Guerrero for example, 1770 01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:15.239 or most of those, most of those hailed as the 1771 01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:18.560 best technical wrestlers never did anything for me. I've never 1772 01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:21.279 really cared about match quality, and I've always been more 1773 01:35:21.319 --> 01:35:24.159 interested in all the bullshit surrounding the actual in ring 1774 01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:28.199 action as a kid. To this day, I find matches 1775 01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:30.359 longer than ten minutes without a major story to be 1776 01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:35.399 a chore to watch. So with my taste firmly matching 1777 01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:38.680 what hul Comania offered, I wouldn't have become a wrestling 1778 01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:44.359 fan at all. Were it not for Hulk Hogan. Clearly, 1779 01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:48.000 Terry Bulay the man was a different matter. His usual 1780 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:51.600 humorous and sometimes problematic lies were beyond even what you'd 1781 01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:54.520 expect from a jock who spent twenty five years hammering 1782 01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:58.039 cocaine and steroids and having his brain battered three hundred 1783 01:35:58.079 --> 01:36:02.640 days a year. Also held racist views and was caught 1784 01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:05.920 on tape making comments that couldn't be construed as anything else. 1785 01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:10.600 But forgive me if I'm not shocked that an academicallylimited 1786 01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:13.760 man from Florida who grew up during the late sixties 1787 01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.760 and early seventies held personal views that I wouldn't agree 1788 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.880 with and would consider distasteful. His views, or most of 1789 01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:24.039 his values, couldn't be further from mine, and at hazard 1790 01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:27.359 that these particular comments were probably tame compared to anything 1791 01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:31.399 we'd have heard in the w W dressing room during 1792 01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:35.119 the nineteen eighties. Yet even Brett Hard has gone on record, 1793 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:37.640 as have dozens of others, on how great he was 1794 01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:41.199 with Make a Wish kids and kids wanting autographs, usually 1795 01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:45.439 going well beyond the call of duty. At least he 1796 01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:48.319 didn't go beyond the call of duchie. That'd be a 1797 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:51.920 little worse and while his mantra wasn't backed up by 1798 01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:55.079 his personal actions, I'd like to think that they had 1799 01:36:55.159 --> 01:36:58.439 some sort of positive positive impact on millions upon millions 1800 01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:00.840 of children growing up in the nineteen eighties in nineteen nineties, 1801 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:04.520 due to his sheer celebrity, he was and will always 1802 01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:06.880 be held under the microscope to a degree that his 1803 01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:11.399 contemporary He's probably managed to escape. A deeply complicated man 1804 01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:14.239 in figure, but worthy of a nuanced look back in 1805 01:37:14.279 --> 01:37:17.439 the fashion that I know that only the lapsed universe can. 1806 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:21.199 There are millions of forty to fifty year olds who, 1807 01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:24.640 deep inside their younger selves, are more than a little sad. 1808 01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:28.800 Since the twenty fourth of July, thank you co Chairs 1809 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:32.960 for the memories, thank you for the inspiration, and thank 1810 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.159 you for Hull Commania. That's wonderful, one of the best emails. 1811 01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:39.119 Thank you ever. That right there is the best ever. 1812 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:41.039 That says it all. 1813 01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:43.079 And to have been there for that last match they 1814 01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:45.159 didn't realize it was the last match is so befitting a. 1815 01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:48.640 Whole only only forty two hundred people, Well for TNA, 1816 01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:51.920 that's double their highest No I know, but I'm saying 1817 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:54.479 like there are They're like, that's a handful of people, Like, 1818 01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:57.000 can you think about all the people who've seen Hulk Hogan, Like, 1819 01:37:57.159 --> 01:37:59.920 not many people were there. It's a it's an elite 1820 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:04.000 group who were there for Hulk Hogan's final match. And 1821 01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:05.880 I like that nuance he pointed out, which I don't 1822 01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:07.920 think I ever appreciated, which was that people came to 1823 01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:10.159 the arena knowing that Hulk Hogan was there. He was 1824 01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:13.199 advertised as appearing, but everyone came and expecting an interview 1825 01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:15.319 segment or some kind of angle, and so you don't 1826 01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:16.880 see him the whole show. That's part of why it 1827 01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:18.439 gets such a big pop when he comes out, because 1828 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:20.760 that clip is out there. It's like fancam though, because 1829 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:23.000 it wasn't a TV taping When he gets such a 1830 01:38:23.039 --> 01:38:26.479 massive pop, Eye the Tiger, it's Gareth points out, it's 1831 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:29.079 because people had gone all night not seeing Hulk and thought, well, 1832 01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:32.159 maybe he's not gonna show. Yeah, right, and then here 1833 01:38:32.239 --> 01:38:33.720 he comes and it ends up being a match. And 1834 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:35.319 I'm sure in his head, we'll do this a couple 1835 01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:37.479 more times, three more times. If I feel up to it, 1836 01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:40.359 I'll just go out there and what part of a match? 1837 01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:43.960 How many times he fucking said I'm getting murdered for Wrestlmania. 1838 01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:44.960 Brother around, well he is. 1839 01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:48.319 He's never gonna close that door because he doesn't know 1840 01:38:48.359 --> 01:38:50.199 what kind of check Vince is going to dangle. We 1841 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:52.199 spent a lot of time during the teenage journey getting 1842 01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:54.079 into something that isn't really talked about enough, and he 1843 01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:57.039 talks a lot about it during his Laser Spine lawsuit 1844 01:38:57.159 --> 01:39:00.399 deposition about how Vince was making serious offer for him 1845 01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:02.960 to come in and wrestle John Cena in like two 1846 01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.479 thousand and what six maybe or seven or eight. Yeah, Yeah, 1847 01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:08.880 there was there was serious son treaties about doing that. 1848 01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:11.800 It was part of the leverage he had to get 1849 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:13.399 a good deal out of TNA, was that Vince was 1850 01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:16.000 still actively interested in putting him in the ring against 1851 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:19.319 John Cena for a big WrestleMania event. You know, Vince 1852 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:22.640 has always been so fixated on this idea of Hulk 1853 01:39:22.720 --> 01:39:25.439 being the Babe Ruth character that you know, but he's 1854 01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:27.439 a living Babe Ruth. He's not just the Babe Ruth. 1855 01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:31.199 He also someone that occasionally, right, I know, I know, 1856 01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:33.359 but Vince saw this vision of him as a guy 1857 01:39:33.359 --> 01:39:36.239 who occasionally would actually show up and play for the Yankees. 1858 01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:39.600 You know once a year, right, and how great could 1859 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:41.199 that be? While also limiting the way. 1860 01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:43.479 You imagine if that was a thing in baseball, like 1861 01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:46.359 legends should come back for like one goal ted Ted 1862 01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:47.920 Williams is chirogenically preserved. 1863 01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:50.359 Maybe that's true. Maybe one day we'll see it. You'll 1864 01:39:50.399 --> 01:39:54.279 walk back out there. Travis writes, Hey, boys, When I 1865 01:39:54.319 --> 01:39:56.159 think of my discovery of the Holkstore as a child 1866 01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:57.760 and the magic of being a little kid trying to 1867 01:39:57.760 --> 01:39:59.399 figure out when I could ever actually see this man 1868 01:39:59.399 --> 01:40:02.560 wrestle on TEA, one show comes to mind Saturday Night's 1869 01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:07.279 main event. There were thirty thirty Saturday Nights main events 1870 01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:09.600 in the Hull Comania era. Hulk wrestle on twenty six 1871 01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:10.000 of them. 1872 01:40:10.640 --> 01:40:11.520 Yes, you didn't wait. 1873 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:12.880 To see what you guys come up with, whatever it 1874 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:15.600 may be. Yeah, that's gonna be a tough one. We've 1875 01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:17.039 spent a lot of time talking about how we dress 1876 01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:19.399 Saturday Night's main event as part of what will come 1877 01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:21.720 to be called the Complete hulll Cogan. I think you 1878 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:24.720 can expect us to definitely touch on them as we go, 1879 01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:27.319 but we also don't really want to do a Saturday 1880 01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:29.439 Night's main event journey and call it a tribute to 1881 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:31.279 Hulk Hogan, which. 1882 01:40:31.159 --> 01:40:34.399 It would be, I mean, would also be here for 1883 01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:38.560 like another decade, like the next decade of TLF, would 1884 01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:39.119 be all all. 1885 01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:40.880 The reasons to elongate this. That would be a pretty 1886 01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:43.720 weak one. But we'll talk about and watch the matches, 1887 01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:47.119 you know. The balance we want to strike is the 1888 01:40:47.199 --> 01:40:50.319 way we did Lapsed Funk, where we watch key moments 1889 01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:53.520 as they go, but we don't ever do an entire 1890 01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:58.119 event really and traditional TLF, where entire events is what 1891 01:40:58.199 --> 01:41:01.000 you want, you know, and we can do both with Helkovin, 1892 01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:03.880 we can do both. And so just because we talk 1893 01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:05.720 about a Saturday Nights main event that Hulk cogn main 1894 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:08.600 event and perhaps even watch said match, doesn't mean we 1895 01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:11.399 covered that whole Saturday Night's main event and that therefore 1896 01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:14.520 it will never never be eligible for Deep Divage at 1897 01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:16.760 some other point. So that's what I'd say, and that 1898 01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:18.560 won't be the case for everyone, But we'll be very 1899 01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:22.600 selective around Saturday's main event, Clash of the Champions, you know, 1900 01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:25.199 things that he did that were big and memorable, But 1901 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:29.279 at the same time, it just adds so many more 1902 01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:32.560 potential events to the Deep Dive list again top ten 1903 01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:34.159 and if you want to put a Saturday Night's main 1904 01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:36.399 event on there be my guest, because like I said, 1905 01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:39.640 we won't deep dive any of them. I know what 1906 01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:41.800 Saturday Nights Made events are on my short list. If 1907 01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:43.319 we were to go hull Hog, I think we all 1908 01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:46.479 do yes. Jojosmanios, thank you very much for your pledge. 1909 01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:51.359 Welcome into the Solar system. We deeply appreciate your patronage 1910 01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:54.199 and support. Noe, thanks very much for bumping up to 1911 01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:58.840 that mote tier. Presumably get a taste to that faithful call. Jordan, 1912 01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:01.600 thank you very much for joining in the VIP tier. 1913 01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:04.600 Tony writes, greetings co chairs, A longtime fan, and I 1914 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:06.920 just heard you're taking ideas for the Hogan tribute, So 1915 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:08.880 I'm just gonna spitball some stuff. You guys have done 1916 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:11.159 such a thorough job covering Hogan's in ring and movie career, 1917 01:42:11.319 --> 01:42:14.079 but you haven't covered the Hulk Cogan and the wrestling Bootman. 1918 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.039 We did a little bit, but I guess we haven't 1919 01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:20.760 called him the fucking full CD. 1920 01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:22.880 This shit is truly horrible. He says he did this 1921 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:24.920 with Julie Hart and it's the worst shit you've ever 1922 01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:27.039 listened to, And that's just one song. 1923 01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:29.279 Other ideas a. 1924 01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:32.880 Lapsed funeral the universe of Laps characters Hey now, oh, 1925 01:42:33.479 --> 01:42:35.720 Saint Editor at the Gate laps To Hogan gets to 1926 01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:37.920 the Pearly Gates, but is greeted by the lapsed editor, 1927 01:42:37.960 --> 01:42:39.760 who rolls him up from behind for the one two 1928 01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:43.399 three Wow Wow Heaven doesn't work for me. Brother laps To. 1929 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:45.439 Hogan makes it to Heaven, but immediately throws a fit 1930 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:48.439 when he goes into God's Lapsed Fritz office and sees 1931 01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:50.199 he's been booked to lose to David von Eirek. He 1932 01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:52.640 refuses to do the job and insists on invoking his 1933 01:42:52.720 --> 01:42:56.000 creative control clause. God Lapsed Fritz reminds Hogan that he 1934 01:42:56.079 --> 01:42:58.520 sent his boy to die for our sins, so Hogan 1935 01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:03.720 has to job. After all, Heavy needed a champion. How 1936 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:07.119 might that sound, Boss? As far as Fritz go, Oh God. 1937 01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:11.640 Sunday, August third, at noon, the Lapse fan take go ahead. 1938 01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:17.399 I just want to say, and my boy, I shut 1939 01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:21.119 my boy down. He died for our sins. He lived 1940 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:24.720 seventy five years and twenty five and I think it's 1941 01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:26.560 time you do the job. I'm in the year sad 1942 01:43:26.600 --> 01:43:30.039 Hope live in seventy one. Fritz, Betsy, I think you 1943 01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:33.119 lived twenty five years and seventy one, so it works 1944 01:43:33.159 --> 01:43:35.960 in reverse order. I see, I thought I thought he 1945 01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:39.439 would lived one hundred and forty some days years. Well, brother, 1946 01:43:39.640 --> 01:43:41.880 I just want to say, dude, I understand where you're 1947 01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:42.319 coming from. 1948 01:43:42.399 --> 01:43:42.600 Brother. 1949 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:43.920 I want to just kind of like get on the 1950 01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:47.199 same page with the big man upstairs, dude. But here's 1951 01:43:47.239 --> 01:43:50.000 where I'm thinking, Brother. What I'm not digging, dude, is 1952 01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:52.680 this kind of you know, like we're talking about who's 1953 01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:56.000 going over who's so I just want to know. So 1954 01:43:56.199 --> 01:43:58.159 what I have, brother. You know what I kind of 1955 01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:00.159 agreed upon, dude, and I could have sworn the you 1956 01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:02.600 know you signed this with me, brother, but that it 1957 01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:05.319 was for a long time dude, that when the time 1958 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:07.319 came where Hule Cogan was going to kind of make 1959 01:44:07.399 --> 01:44:11.079 that big trip upstairs, Dude, I have this contract signed 1960 01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:15.960 by the by the good, by the Holy Father Almighty brother, 1961 01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:18.800 saying that I do have creative control over anything that 1962 01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:23.319 goes on in heaven. So let's kind of get on 1963 01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:24.800 the same page too, because I'm not going to play 1964 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.720 hide the ball anymore with the big Man. 1965 01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:35.239 Brother Contiac Heaven Dome, laps Tope Lapstoken reunites with laps 1966 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:38.439 Andre for Heaven Mania three, but this time laps Andre 1967 01:44:38.560 --> 01:44:41.319 gets to slam Lapstog and his laps Tooken does the job. 1968 01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:44.039 He finally finds peace in putting someone else over. Love 1969 01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:44.640 you guys, love this. 1970 01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:48.319 Listen, listen, listen that that that would be that right there? 1971 01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:53.199 If if if if? That would be hull Cogan's version 1972 01:44:53.199 --> 01:44:57.119 of hell is having to lose to everybody over and 1973 01:44:57.159 --> 01:45:02.439 over and over again. That's that's that's his version of 1974 01:45:02.600 --> 01:45:04.399 l How many AI images did we get of him 1975 01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:07.680 covering Yokozuna in Heaven? Yeah? Well what about the inverse? 1976 01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:12.199 Read everyone he put out he gets their win back. CJ. 1977 01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:13.720 Want to thank you very much for bumping up to 1978 01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:18.199 the MOTE tier. We very much appreciate that. Great to 1979 01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:21.359 see Tom going to be joining us. Several Toms actually 1980 01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:25.880 are going to be joining us coming up in New York, 1981 01:45:25.960 --> 01:45:28.960 so we appreciate that. Ao t D thank you very 1982 01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:30.439 much for joining the VIP tier. 1983 01:45:30.520 --> 01:45:31.199 We appreciate it. 1984 01:45:32.199 --> 01:45:37.439 Ness or Aka Sam writes to us here a relative 1985 01:45:37.479 --> 01:45:42.319 to hul Cogan as seen as he writes here by 1986 01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:45.039 a two thousands kid. There's a perspective you don't get 1987 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:48.439 on too often, so Boss, if you could please regale 1988 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:49.119 the solar system. 1989 01:45:49.760 --> 01:45:55.119 Yes, indeed, I've been a fan since discovering your show 1990 01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:57.359 in twenty fourteen on Reddit during the Mania Journey, but 1991 01:45:57.439 --> 01:45:59.680 have never written in. But with the death of the 1992 01:45:59.720 --> 01:46:02.600 most famous wrestler ever to live, as well as the 1993 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:06.600 possibly the main protagonist of the lapsed fan these eleven years, 1994 01:46:07.079 --> 01:46:09.720 I just have to send something in. I was born 1995 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:12.560 in nineteen ninety nine, well past the glory days of Jocomania, 1996 01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:15.319 and I became a fan in early two thousand and five, 1997 01:46:15.439 --> 01:46:17.680 around the time Batista I turned on Triple H and 1998 01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:20.520 began his hunt for the world title. It was in 1999 01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:22.800 this fateful year of two thousand and five where I 2000 01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:26.960 was infected with the curse of wrestling fandom. That he 2001 01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:30.520 was born in nine ninety nine, even a fan since 2002 01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:33.560 he was fifteen years old of our show. That's something 2003 01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:36.479 I don't think about this. I don't people that got 2004 01:46:36.479 --> 01:46:39.479 into our show when they were kind of like teenagers, 2005 01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:43.560 not even late barely high school, barely high school. That's bizarre, 2006 01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:46.279 that's wild. I need to know more about that. Honestly, 2007 01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:52.640 I was infected with the curse of Wrestling phantom that 2008 01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:55.159 Hulk Hogan came onto my radar for the first time. 2009 01:46:56.000 --> 01:46:58.279 Most people would probably point to Hogan Knows Best or 2010 01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:00.560 his program with Hbka as to what might make a 2011 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:02.600 new fan to take notice of Hogan in two thousand 2012 01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:05.199 and five. That's a weird thing to think about, too. 2013 01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:08.560 What's that the idea that you're not that you've never 2014 01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:12.920 really someone his age, never seen Hull Cogan, and you 2015 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:15.399 get introduced to Hull Cogan via his reality show. It's 2016 01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:19.920 fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's it's it's it's perverse. 2017 01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:22.479 One of the key realizations we had during Bash at 2018 01:47:22.479 --> 01:47:25.079 the Peach ninety four was like you said, whole Cogan 2019 01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:27.439 really to you, in terms of when you became a 2020 01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:30.359 fan ninety one, is more of a WCW wrestler than a. 2021 01:47:30.439 --> 01:47:32.920 W W exactly that that that's that is so true. 2022 01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:36.640 That is so unbelievable. It's weird, you know, Like I 2023 01:47:36.760 --> 01:47:40.439 always I equate so much more with him in w CW, 2024 01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:43.039 so so far to for for this guy, for Sam, 2025 01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:47.960 he equates the reality show guy. Yeah, that's just that's wild, 2026 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:51.600 you know, and that's so so wacky. I mean, it's 2027 01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:54.840 the same thing with with people. It's it's it's hard 2028 01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:59.039 to think about the fact that that that John Seen 2029 01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:04.119 has been wrestling so long that people who were like 2030 01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:05.920 the kids who were fans of him when everyone was 2031 01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:09.479 booing him are adults today. God, Like, that's the thing, 2032 01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:11.840 Like you think about an eleven year old kid who 2033 01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:15.920 was at WrestleMania twenty Wrestlming twenty three in Detroit, you 2034 01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:19.239 know where I'm proclaiming, yes, you know, and they're agreeing 2035 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:23.600 with me that you need see seven two thousand and seven. 2036 01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:27.960 They're now twenty eight years old, twenty eight years on 2037 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:31.960 the pushing thirty right, So like, again, those are the 2038 01:48:32.119 --> 01:48:36.039 fans who are not booing John Cena now that he started. Hell, 2039 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:39.199 they're the ones who didn't want to see a heel turn. 2040 01:48:39.680 --> 01:48:43.319 I'm having trust some weird man in trouble with this. Yes, yes, 2041 01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:46.119 it's a very it's it's really it's a hard thing 2042 01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:51.199 to fathom honestly, that you know, especially too when you 2043 01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:55.680 when you think about the fact that we were adults 2044 01:48:56.640 --> 01:49:01.079 for the beginning of John Cena's career and now it's 2045 01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:06.720 twenty three years later, So that's just you know, there 2046 01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:15.680 we are a little bit. Where was I there? Oh? Here? 2047 01:49:17.079 --> 01:49:19.760 Most people know Hogan's the best or his program with 2048 01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:22.079 HBK as to what might make a new FanTac note 2049 01:49:22.079 --> 01:49:23.760 of vocal gum in two thousand and five. But what 2050 01:49:23.960 --> 01:49:26.760 got me intrigued by the Hulkster was the SmackDown Versus 2051 01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:29.880 Raw two thousand and six video game that came out 2052 01:49:29.880 --> 01:49:31.319 at the end of the year. If you have ever 2053 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:34.279 played that game I have, you might remember that, unlike 2054 01:49:34.319 --> 01:49:36.359 every other wrestler on the roster that only had one 2055 01:49:36.720 --> 01:49:44.399 playable character model, Hogan had three different characters, those being 2056 01:49:44.520 --> 01:49:51.720 nineteen eighties Hogan, Hollywood Hogan, and two thousands Hogan. To 2057 01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:53.760 my six year old mind, the fact that Hogan had 2058 01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:56.960 three characters in my favorite wrestling game while everyone else 2059 01:49:57.000 --> 01:50:00.479 had only one automatically slatted him above everyone. Sure, it 2060 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:03.520 makes sense, and from that point on I figured out. 2061 01:50:03.600 --> 01:50:06.279 I figured he must have been a god compared to 2062 01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:08.319 the rest of the mere mortals. He was, he was 2063 01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:12.680 im mortal. That childhood impression is stuck with me until 2064 01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:15.439 I discovered your show. I lapsed in twenty ten after 2065 01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:17.760 the retirement of Shawn Michaels and didn't think about wrestling 2066 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:21.520 again until twenty fourteen when I stumbled on the Squared 2067 01:50:21.640 --> 01:50:24.640 Circle subridit, which is where I found you after someone 2068 01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.239 posts about your interviews with Uncle Dave. It is this 2069 01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:31.800 unrelenting odyssey that you have taken us on for the 2070 01:50:31.840 --> 01:50:35.279 past eleven years that has taken Hulkogan from being an 2071 01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:41.399 almighty being graced all my being, an almighty being that 2072 01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:44.039 graced my PlayStation two and filled me with wonder at 2073 01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:48.079 the seemingly mythical world of wrestling before my birth, to 2074 01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:52.800 being little more than a living stuck even when he's 2075 01:50:52.840 --> 01:50:56.720 at his peak, whether it's documenting him taking eighties pop 2076 01:50:56.800 --> 01:51:00.560 culture by storm in the WrestleMania Journey documentary, his fight 2077 01:51:01.279 --> 01:51:04.039 to get back his ninety percent from Vernon the a Toba, 2078 01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:08.119 his case making testimony in the trial of his life, 2079 01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:11.439 the Bash two thousand, collision with Russo, the Cherry on 2080 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.479 the Hull Hogan shit Sunday that was TNH, or even 2081 01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:17.720 a random show that he has nothing to do with. 2082 01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:21.000 This show has deconstructed and reconstructed the very idea of 2083 01:51:21.039 --> 01:51:24.479 Alkgogan correct. Despite it all, I can I can also 2084 01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:27.000 say that I never would have gained whatever appreciation that 2085 01:51:27.079 --> 01:51:30.760 I do for the man without the cast your deep 2086 01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:33.039 Dives or the Mania six match with Warrior, the Mania 2087 01:51:33.079 --> 01:51:36.079 eighteen match with Rock, the ninety six Bash Heel Turn, 2088 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:38.600 all the shows during the high water marks of the 2089 01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:42.000 nWo really opened my eyes to the fact that Terry 2090 01:51:42.039 --> 01:51:46.000 Bella had other worldly abilities that we will likely never 2091 01:51:46.079 --> 01:51:50.159 see again in the world. A professional wrestling we can 2092 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:54.359 be and we have been. Yep, that's right. Obviously, the 2093 01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:57.600 last decade and a half hasn't been kind to the 2094 01:51:57.680 --> 01:52:01.760 Hulkster with his many sordid adventures that were expertly and 2095 01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:07.479 hilariously chronicled in TNH. But honestly, what can you expect. Artists, 2096 01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:10.640 creative types, or entertainers throughout all of human history have 2097 01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:15.000 constantly shown just about every negative and anti social, anti 2098 01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:18.039 social trait that you can imagine, And when you are 2099 01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:21.000 dealing with the dregs of the entertainment world that is 2100 01:52:21.039 --> 01:52:24.680 professional wrestling, I think you're fooling yourself to expect anything 2101 01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:29.279 different from these guys. Professional wrestling, especially in the era 2102 01:52:29.439 --> 01:52:31.960 that Hogan broke in but still to this day, is 2103 01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:41.000 a business of lying, manipulation, bullying, scheming, drugs, and easy women. 2104 01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:45.680 Oh correct, Oh, probably some easy men too. Let's not 2105 01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:49.079 you know, an easy non binary folks. Let's not just 2106 01:52:49.199 --> 01:52:54.600 fuckingone's getting off everyone exactly. Listen, everyone's getting off, everyone's 2107 01:52:54.600 --> 01:53:02.119 getting laid, everyone's exactly. Everyone is just out for themselves, 2108 01:53:03.479 --> 01:53:05.960 all wrapped up in a nomadic existence where you have 2109 01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:08.880 perfectly good reason to be in a different city or 2110 01:53:08.920 --> 01:53:11.439 state from one night to the next. It should be 2111 01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:15.640 no surprise to anyone that Hogan or many of the 2112 01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:20.279 men of his ilk warrant exactly paragon. It's a virtue, 2113 01:53:22.239 --> 01:53:23.960 I guess. To try and wrap up my rambling, I 2114 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:26.560 can say that for Hull Cogan is many things to 2115 01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:30.720 many people. He's an icon of the glory years of wrestling. 2116 01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.600 He's probably responsible for more people becoming wrestling fans than 2117 01:53:33.640 --> 01:53:36.920 any other wrestler ever. He was possibly the most charismatic 2118 01:53:37.039 --> 01:53:39.960 force ever in the business. He was maybe the greatest 2119 01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:42.920 worker ever in his ability to push an issue and 2120 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:45.800 get people invested in his matches. He was selfish, he 2121 01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:48.399 was self centered. He lied as easy as an normal 2122 01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:51.880 person breathes. He was in many ways a piece of shit. 2123 01:53:52.159 --> 01:53:53.600 But here at the end of his life, I think 2124 01:53:53.640 --> 01:53:59.640 the answer for me is simply that Hull Cogan is 2125 01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:06.439 a joke that will never stop being funny. You're well 2126 01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:11.279 right there. It's proof of what he said exactly yours 2127 01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.880 and lapsed, Sam PSU rest in peace, Ozzy. As a 2128 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:17.439 lifelong Black Sabbath fan, the news of his death ruined 2129 01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:20.079 my week and really lessened the impact of Hogan's death 2130 01:54:20.119 --> 01:54:22.600 for me. Once he hears this, I'm sure Terry will 2131 01:54:22.640 --> 01:54:24.079 be trying to get some of the heat back in 2132 01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:30.000 the afterlife. You brother, what why do you follow Hulk Hogan? 2133 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:37.479 Oz Izzy Yo Yo oz Izzy? Brother? What's going on? Dude? 2134 01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:38.600 Brother? 2135 01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:40.840 Dude? You know what? Brother? 2136 01:54:40.960 --> 01:54:41.000 What? 2137 01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:43.039 What's it is? Dude? What do you do? 2138 01:54:43.520 --> 01:54:45.199 Because you came on before me and I went on 2139 01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:47.840 last at Wrestlingia to brother, we got to redo that 2140 01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:50.079 in terms of our death. Brother, you get a count? 2141 01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:51.760 Why are you follow me up in the in the 2142 01:54:52.399 --> 01:54:55.199 the the Everlasting Life, Dude was going on the three 2143 01:54:55.880 --> 01:54:57.840 which of the three sil cast locations did you die? 2144 01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:01.039 Your brother? Brother? Wait a minut it to you get 2145 01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:04.880 a name with Saint Peter. Brother, brother, brother, brother, you've 2146 01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:06.640 been talking? What did you what happened to the gates? 2147 01:55:06.680 --> 01:55:06.880 Brother? 2148 01:55:07.720 --> 01:55:12.560 What did what happened? How did you get in here? 2149 01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:12.800 Brother? 2150 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:17.399 Who let you in? Saint Peter let you in? Dude? Mhm, 2151 01:55:20.279 --> 01:55:29.119 Ozzy is characteristic sign itself. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa Dude, 2152 01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:31.600 that's redonaldising back in, brother. I'm not trying to create 2153 01:55:31.600 --> 01:55:33.880 any tension between you know, me and the is Oz brother. 2154 01:55:37.640 --> 01:55:39.760 Pull the nose up on this thing, namely the coke 2155 01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:47.439 table that you're on. Uh, Hogan and Ozzy Jordan, Ozzy 2156 01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:50.720 and Hogan and Ozzie and Harry again, Ossie and Hogan Jordan. 2157 01:55:51.159 --> 01:55:52.079 Greetings co chairs. 2158 01:55:52.720 --> 01:55:55.640 As Terry has died today, I'm sure you're formulating how 2159 01:55:55.680 --> 01:55:59.079 you'll cover the event accordingly. Obviously, the vast majority of 2160 01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:01.319 the important bits in his career have already been deep dived. 2161 01:56:01.359 --> 01:56:02.760 And I think you even said during the T and 2162 01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:04.880 H journey how the entire life of DLF has in 2163 01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:08.439 many ways been the Hull Cogan journey. In any event, 2164 01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:10.079 I look forward to whatever you come up with, and 2165 01:56:10.439 --> 01:56:12.359 decided to share some random thoughts that had come to 2166 01:56:12.399 --> 01:56:14.920 mind with his death. A quick preface. I never had 2167 01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:17.680 the real nostalgia for fandom for the man, or fandom 2168 01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:19.920 for the man. I started watching WWF as a kid 2169 01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:22.000 around nineteen ninety nine, it was only vaguely aware of 2170 01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:24.399 him as a WCW guys video games. Is that you 2171 01:56:24.479 --> 01:56:28.039 can't you can't write, You don't other one don't you 2172 01:56:28.159 --> 01:56:32.439 don't you don't you know? Being a fan in ninety 2173 01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:35.840 nine does not do. Of course, I can understand why 2174 01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:37.840 you would not be a fan. You can imagine Hogan 2175 01:56:38.119 --> 01:56:39.720 coming back out in The Red and Yellow Boss in 2176 01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:41.920 the Fall of ninety nine on Nitro and a bunch 2177 01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:45.159 of the audience being like, what is this? What am 2178 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:47.760 I supposed to be excited about here? That the Hull 2179 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:49.359 Cogan wing these different colors? 2180 01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:51.399 Why are people caring about this? 2181 01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:55.000 Da of him as a ww guy through video games? 2182 01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:57.359 Since I didn't watch ww my first actual exposure to 2183 01:56:57.439 --> 01:56:58.920 Hull Cogan was in the two thousand and two run 2184 01:56:59.119 --> 01:57:02.359 and never resonated much childhood me. I didn't dislike him 2185 01:57:02.359 --> 01:57:03.680 per se, but it just wasn't a character that I 2186 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:06.079 found particularly engaging twelve year old and me also thought 2187 01:57:06.119 --> 01:57:10.319 a leg drop was not the best. I lapsed around 2188 01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:12.039 two thousand and five oh six and really didn't think 2189 01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:14.399 about Hulk Hogan and wrestling broadly for many years. My 2190 01:57:14.479 --> 01:57:17.039 childhood fandom generally didn't involve any of the backstage gossip, 2191 01:57:17.079 --> 01:57:19.399 so I was unaware of Terry's fuckery until getting into 2192 01:57:19.399 --> 01:57:21.840 wrestling podcasts like your Own many years later. That also 2193 01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:23.760 came around the same time as the Gawker trial and 2194 01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:26.920 learning that Terry was a racist scumback. I appreciate TF 2195 01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:29.319 over the years trying to crystallize why Hogan was the 2196 01:57:29.399 --> 01:57:32.760 critical success he was, while also lampooning the man appropriately 2197 01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:35.479 for the absolute ghoul that Terry Bolla was. It has 2198 01:57:35.520 --> 01:57:37.680 been interesting seeing much of the Internet shitting on Terry 2199 01:57:37.720 --> 01:57:40.199 in the wake of his death. Another thing TLF has 2200 01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:42.239 done over the years is show how wrestling is often 2201 01:57:42.239 --> 01:57:44.840 a microcosm of society, especially in the United States in 2202 01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:47.439 the last few years in particular, been impossible to ignore 2203 01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:50.279 how much of the social contract he writes of society 2204 01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:53.560 is torn is actually its own form of k fabe. 2205 01:57:54.600 --> 01:57:56.920 People are expected to fill a role society is to 2206 01:57:56.960 --> 01:57:58.880 find for them, and are expected not to think, only 2207 01:57:58.920 --> 01:58:02.399 to happily consume. The biggest possible social misstep often seems 2208 01:58:02.439 --> 01:58:04.079 to be that if you dare break the cafe bellution 2209 01:58:04.199 --> 01:58:07.479 and call shenanigans on the actual often pitiful state of affairs. 2210 01:58:07.520 --> 01:58:08.159 But I digress. 2211 01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:10.920 My final thoughts on Terry. It is fitting that those 2212 01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:13.840 few left who still lionize him view themselves, and by extension, 2213 01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:17.680 their idolized version of America as the nineteen eighties Hull 2214 01:58:17.720 --> 01:58:21.520 cogin character as the valiant good guy, strong, righteous, courageous, 2215 01:58:21.560 --> 01:58:24.479 standing up for the greater good. Sad reality is, though 2216 01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:27.239 those few lefts still lionizing him seem to actually very 2217 01:58:27.319 --> 01:58:32.680 much have the same character as actual Terry bo lea dishonest, conniving, hateful, bigoted, cowardly, 2218 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:36.800 ultimately pathetic. Sadly, America's actual values and action seem to 2219 01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:38.840 mirror Terry bo Lea far more than they mirror the 2220 01:58:38.920 --> 01:58:41.920 Hull coke and heroic ideal. I look forward to whatever 2221 01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:43.560 you guys come up with. It is hard to believe 2222 01:58:43.640 --> 01:58:45.359 there is much more to uncover about Terry than you 2223 01:58:45.399 --> 01:58:47.359 guys have already touched on, but I know the cast 2224 01:58:47.479 --> 01:58:50.600 usually finds a way to on earth new truths. Jordan, Well, thanks, 2225 01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:52.199 I wouldn't say there is a lot to unearthed. I 2226 01:58:52.199 --> 01:58:55.279 don't think that's what we're about now on this one. No, No, 2227 01:58:55.399 --> 01:58:57.319 this one's just about saying what needs to Be said, 2228 01:58:57.640 --> 01:59:04.000 this one's about appreciation a critical assessment as much as 2229 01:59:04.039 --> 01:59:05.680 it is about you know, we've we've spent a lot 2230 01:59:05.720 --> 01:59:07.640 of time talking about Terry Bolea. It might be time 2231 01:59:07.720 --> 01:59:10.119 now to just talk about whole COVID, just saying we've 2232 01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:13.239 earned that, right, Yeah, Nicholas Newbe, thanks very much for 2233 01:59:13.319 --> 01:59:15.800 doubling ear pledge. We appreciate that and hope you enjoy 2234 01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:19.399 all the benefits that you're entitled to. Caleb Bright's doer 2235 01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:22.159 Co Chairs. This is my first email, long overdue. I 2236 01:59:22.239 --> 01:59:24.079 became a fan of TLF in twenty twenty one when 2237 01:59:24.079 --> 01:59:26.800 I stumbled across the Crispno episode. I thought it was 2238 01:59:26.840 --> 01:59:28.840 in for a grim true crime deep dive. What I 2239 01:59:28.920 --> 01:59:31.800 got with something else, entirely a mad, brilliant dissection of 2240 01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:34.119 the business that instantly hooked me and never let go. 2241 01:59:35.000 --> 01:59:37.079 I know you're both Hasbro kids. I was born in 2242 01:59:37.159 --> 01:59:39.560 ninety one, no pay per view, no rented wrestling tapes, 2243 01:59:39.600 --> 01:59:42.279 just broadcast TV until two thousand. For me, wrestling with 2244 01:59:42.319 --> 01:59:46.279 something you found, Yeah, I have memories of shotgun Saturday Night, 2245 01:59:46.479 --> 01:59:48.560 WCW Saturday Night, maybe even a foggy glimpse. 2246 01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:51.279 I can agree with that, though, I can. I can 2247 01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:53.479 identify with that, because that's how it was for me too. Yes, 2248 01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:56.319 it was like up until I started, until up until 2249 01:59:56.439 --> 02:00:04.079 that fateful Sunday after Survivor's SERI and before Tuesday and Texas. 2250 02:00:05.039 --> 02:00:07.239 I I it was something that I found. I didn't 2251 02:00:07.479 --> 02:00:11.159 I didn't seek it out all the time. I found it, 2252 02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:16.399 and I I that that that was it. I founded 2253 02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:19.840 several times and just didn't continue to watch until that 2254 02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:22.359 one that one time. Yeah, that's a good point. 2255 02:00:23.359 --> 02:00:57.159 The fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the 2256 02:00:57.239 --> 02:01:33.000 boys need their candy. It's the laps Fan. He's an 2257 02:01:33.119 --> 02:01:38.000 lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn Seo MJP Soro. 2258 02:01:38.560 --> 02:01:40.960 I have memories of shot etcetera. Okay, and maybe even 2259 02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:43.439 a foggy glimpse of VCW airing on some cursed local 2260 02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:45.439 channel at one am. I couldn't tell you what year, 2261 02:01:45.520 --> 02:01:48.560 what channel, only that it felt like forbidden magic. I 2262 02:01:48.640 --> 02:01:51.119 became a diehard when SmackDown hit UPN and once we 2263 02:01:51.199 --> 02:01:52.800 got satellite in two thousand, it was over. 2264 02:01:53.119 --> 02:01:53.479 I was in. 2265 02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:55.479 I lived at the tail end of the attitude Ura 2266 02:01:55.520 --> 02:01:57.760 and beyond. Like many in the Solar System, I eventually 2267 02:01:57.760 --> 02:02:00.399 became lapsed for me. It was when WWE fumbled the 2268 02:02:00.439 --> 02:02:02.960 Nexus angle. I came back for sparks Punk pulled me 2269 02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:04.680 in with the pipe bomb, only for them to blow 2270 02:02:04.760 --> 02:02:07.319 that too. Anyway, I digress. I know the POD's been 2271 02:02:07.399 --> 02:02:09.279 running since twenty fourteen. I know you've covered a lot 2272 02:02:09.319 --> 02:02:11.760 of Hogan, but let's be real. You are both better 2273 02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:14.560 now than you've ever been. The craft is sharper, the 2274 02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:18.760 perspective richer. There's more information now, more hindsight, more meat 2275 02:02:18.840 --> 02:02:21.199 on the bone than ever before. The time is right. 2276 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:24.399 And I'm just gonna say it. If Sabu qualified for 2277 02:02:24.520 --> 02:02:28.319 a journey, and by God, I'll cook and qualifies, don't 2278 02:02:28.359 --> 02:02:30.680 be bitches, he writes. This is the journey to end 2279 02:02:30.720 --> 02:02:33.479 all journeys, the big one, the main event, the final boss, 2280 02:02:34.239 --> 02:02:36.079 and if I may the last fan may be just 2281 02:02:36.119 --> 02:02:38.359 a tiny little podcast, but if you inject some hull 2282 02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:40.439 cog and rocket fuel into this thing, if you ride 2283 02:02:40.439 --> 02:02:44.359 the lightning bolt of Hulkelemania, I truly believe you can 2284 02:02:44.399 --> 02:02:46.760 pull the nose up. This is the pivot, the resurrection, 2285 02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:50.479 the one that gets us back on track. 2286 02:02:52.720 --> 02:02:54.960 Good. So don't hide the ball, don't act like we've 2287 02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:57.800 heard it all because we haven't. Not like this. This 2288 02:02:57.920 --> 02:03:00.239 isn't the journey we want. This is the journey we 2289 02:03:00.359 --> 02:03:02.640 fucking need and only you two can do it. 2290 02:03:02.800 --> 02:03:03.079 Justice. 2291 02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:08.319 Do it for the Solar System, do it for whole Comania. Oh, 2292 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:10.520 they do it for the Rock. 2293 02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:15.319 Well, I'm sure do it for He'll be listening. I 2294 02:03:15.359 --> 02:03:18.039 did note in his Instagram story reflecting on WrestleMania eighteen 2295 02:03:18.039 --> 02:03:20.159 after Hulk COVID's passing that Rock was sure to refer 2296 02:03:20.239 --> 02:03:22.199 to his match with Hulk as the main event of 2297 02:03:22.239 --> 02:03:25.800 WrestleMania eighteen. Nice fuck you to Triple H. Yeah right 2298 02:03:25.840 --> 02:03:27.960 at Triple H, by the way, who insisted on narrating 2299 02:03:28.039 --> 02:03:31.119 and voicing over the Hull Co contribute package on SmackDown. 2300 02:03:31.159 --> 02:03:33.439 Like, well, you know it's Triple H. After all, Triple 2301 02:03:33.479 --> 02:03:34.039 A and Triple H. 2302 02:03:34.079 --> 02:03:35.840 It's the only guy talking on the stage when they're 2303 02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:37.439 all standing out there for the ten bell salute. 2304 02:03:38.159 --> 02:03:41.720 Oh my god. He's such a fucking egomaniac. It's like, 2305 02:03:42.439 --> 02:03:49.119 it's really it's it's really pathetic. You know the insecurity 2306 02:03:49.199 --> 02:03:54.159 is there, man? Yeah, like you know it it it 2307 02:03:56.560 --> 02:03:59.680 used to be. I mean, at least it's not obviously 2308 02:03:59.720 --> 02:04:04.199 as it's that's the thing. It's when when when it 2309 02:04:04.359 --> 02:04:07.640 was happening, you know, in the early two thousands, it 2310 02:04:07.760 --> 02:04:14.720 was infuriating because he was ruining everybody who had possibility, correct, right, 2311 02:04:14.920 --> 02:04:17.720 everybody who had possibility was stuck. 2312 02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:19.880 In this ultra art and this guy is going to rise, 2313 02:04:20.000 --> 02:04:22.000 maybe he'll be the guy to excite us, and then 2314 02:04:22.000 --> 02:04:22.920 Triple H beats. 2315 02:04:22.720 --> 02:04:25.640 Him, right, and and then he they become he becomes 2316 02:04:25.680 --> 02:04:28.199 the guy that excites us and we're ready for it, 2317 02:04:28.399 --> 02:04:30.960 and he ruins it by beating you know. It just 2318 02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:36.199 was so so awful. But now now that here he is, 2319 02:04:36.399 --> 02:04:40.640 he's you know, I want to just he's the boss, 2320 02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:45.560 all right. I'm just gonna he's the boss. And it's 2321 02:04:45.640 --> 02:04:47.560 like you don't need to do that anymore, Like you 2322 02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:49.520 don't need to be the center of attention, you don't 2323 02:04:49.520 --> 02:04:51.319 need to be up there, So what are you doing? 2324 02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:55.399 And he's just it's just pathetic. It says it is pathetic. 2325 02:04:55.439 --> 02:04:55.920 I agree. 2326 02:04:56.560 --> 02:04:59.039 I agree that there might be some like you know, 2327 02:05:00.039 --> 02:05:03.399 and strategy as far as like let me continue to 2328 02:05:03.439 --> 02:05:05.319 be the cafe boss to the fans so that they 2329 02:05:05.359 --> 02:05:08.680 want me around, and there's never like a movement to 2330 02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:10.159 try to get rid of me and unseat me, but 2331 02:05:10.600 --> 02:05:15.800 insisting on being in every wrestle Mania commercial and the 2332 02:05:15.880 --> 02:05:18.359 curtain drops on the first Netflix, like, we don't need that, 2333 02:05:19.119 --> 02:05:22.359 we don't need you like reminding us that you had 2334 02:05:22.439 --> 02:05:24.800 something to do with this. You know, just let it play. 2335 02:05:25.239 --> 02:05:28.520 Yeah it be I know, And he's sometimes really good 2336 02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:30.880 about that, but other times it's just so sad. You 2337 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:33.359 just you wonder, like, you know, if he's just constantly 2338 02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:35.920 just looking over his shoulder about Dwayne, and you know 2339 02:05:35.960 --> 02:05:38.039 what I mean, he'll take any opportunity to get in 2340 02:05:38.079 --> 02:05:39.199 front of the bar, tell. 2341 02:05:39.079 --> 02:05:42.119 Them, well, I said, you can always lod your shoulder, brother, 2342 02:05:42.159 --> 02:05:43.560 because you know who's coming with from behind. 2343 02:05:44.439 --> 02:05:48.199 That's the legacy health leaves right Ross Hamrick, thank you 2344 02:05:48.279 --> 02:05:50.159 very much for your pledge. Welcome into the solar system, 2345 02:05:50.199 --> 02:05:52.720 Bryce writes, the day of the patron Saint of Hoof Dies, 2346 02:05:52.880 --> 02:05:54.800 I pay my tithes to the co chairs, to bump 2347 02:05:54.880 --> 02:05:57.199 my ass to the fucking moat, tear to stand vigil 2348 02:05:57.239 --> 02:05:59.920 amongst the masses, listening to the call. This may be right, 2349 02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:02.880 it's the call of calls. It felt that way. I 2350 02:06:02.960 --> 02:06:04.279 will tell you that it felt that way. 2351 02:06:04.479 --> 02:06:07.640 Yeah, yeah, I mean the only one that I can 2352 02:06:07.720 --> 02:06:12.119 feel might be bigger is the Vince McMahon one, if 2353 02:06:12.159 --> 02:06:13.000 and when that happens. 2354 02:06:13.159 --> 02:06:15.279 President of what, thank you very much for bumping up 2355 02:06:15.319 --> 02:06:18.119 your pledge, President of taking care of the CoA chairs. 2356 02:06:18.159 --> 02:06:20.640 That's what you're the president of. Joseph Neubauer, thanks for 2357 02:06:20.720 --> 02:06:22.319 pumping up your pledge all the way to the mote 2358 02:06:22.359 --> 02:06:25.479 tier John and Bristol, England, gentlemen, you've done it all, 2359 02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:27.760 from the Journey through a WA right up to SummerSlam 2360 02:06:27.800 --> 02:06:31.479 two thousand and five and almost everything in between, the Manias, Rent, Slams, Rumbles, 2361 02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:35.159 Survivors Series, WCW and beyond TNA Thunderdome. What's left is 2362 02:06:35.159 --> 02:06:37.279 a fitting tribute to probably the most memorable wrestler of 2363 02:06:37.319 --> 02:06:39.279 our time, Backlash two thousand and two. 2364 02:06:40.159 --> 02:06:41.199 That one's got to be in here. 2365 02:06:41.319 --> 02:06:44.479 I think we've settled on that one. You may even 2366 02:06:44.560 --> 02:06:46.319 leave that one off your top ten because that's pretty 2367 02:06:46.359 --> 02:06:48.720 much done and dusted. Yeah, right, one last run with 2368 02:06:48.760 --> 02:06:51.239 the title the last man to b WWF Champion WWF. 2369 02:06:51.279 --> 02:06:54.760 That is not WWE Holy sh take care of that. 2370 02:06:55.159 --> 02:06:57.319 Take take your time with that, Take your time with it. 2371 02:07:00.960 --> 02:07:07.560 I never fucking even thought of that. That's un fucking 2372 02:07:07.760 --> 02:07:15.680 believable brother brother brother. Wait. Wait, so he's the I'm gonna, 2373 02:07:15.720 --> 02:07:17.560 I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna break my own k 2374 02:07:17.720 --> 02:07:22.000 fabe here. Okay, so he's the last WWF champion and 2375 02:07:22.079 --> 02:07:27.520 the first WWE champion Brother brother brother because it happened 2376 02:07:27.520 --> 02:07:29.000 in the middle, right, happened in the middle of his 2377 02:07:29.079 --> 02:07:38.159 fucking thing, I am. I mean, listen, it's been twenty 2378 02:07:38.239 --> 02:07:43.600 three years and I'm just realizing that it was. 2379 02:07:44.840 --> 02:07:47.800 It was amazing that all the started to transpire just 2380 02:07:47.880 --> 02:07:50.039 as we arrived at our caricature version of this guy, 2381 02:07:51.000 --> 02:07:53.439 that second decade of Holthoven fandom that we both went 2382 02:07:53.479 --> 02:07:54.000 through together. 2383 02:07:54.520 --> 02:07:55.199 Yep, yep. 2384 02:07:55.239 --> 02:07:57.079 And not just like you said, like WWF gives way 2385 02:07:57.079 --> 02:08:00.439 to WWE. He's back and he's holding the belt all 2386 02:08:00.479 --> 02:08:02.600 over again. Hilarious. 2387 02:08:04.640 --> 02:08:06.279 That's why I say this guy's a legend man, Like 2388 02:08:06.399 --> 02:08:08.479 we all know that he captivated us in the eighties 2389 02:08:08.520 --> 02:08:10.399 and nineties, But when this guy was able to come 2390 02:08:10.479 --> 02:08:13.359 back and get the strap on him, like this guy's oh, 2391 02:08:13.680 --> 02:08:16.119 you can't. You can't question this guy how he moves. 2392 02:08:16.199 --> 02:08:19.000 When that happened. Yeah, listen, there's. 2393 02:08:19.720 --> 02:08:22.079 Because he could barely I mean, he could do some stuff, 2394 02:08:22.079 --> 02:08:24.720 but he could barely move compared to like, you know, 2395 02:08:24.840 --> 02:08:30.560 eighties Hulk Hogan amazing one last run with the title. 2396 02:08:31.239 --> 02:08:33.279 The Political Chess played to take the title from Triple 2397 02:08:33.319 --> 02:08:36.079 As just thirty days after his crowning glory at Many eighteen. 2398 02:08:36.279 --> 02:08:38.319 I know, think about that too. Triple Ah had just 2399 02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:41.279 won the title in the show closing bout against Christ Jericho, 2400 02:08:42.000 --> 02:08:45.000 right and a month later. The only thing the only 2401 02:08:45.079 --> 02:08:46.760 thing that makes sense for the company to do is 2402 02:08:47.000 --> 02:08:49.000 have him lose it to Hulk Cogan. Isn't that amazing? 2403 02:08:50.560 --> 02:08:53.239 Oh Mania eighteen JP said it best on the Batch 2404 02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:55.960 of the Beach ninety four show. Hulk was always a 2405 02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:58.760 step ahead. The game went on last in Toronto, but 2406 02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:01.039 Hulk had already written the manual in nineteen eighty five 2407 02:09:01.319 --> 02:09:03.520 and perfected it for eight WrestleManias in a row. He 2408 02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:06.119 knew what he was doing against the Rock. He timed 2409 02:09:06.399 --> 02:09:08.560 his change to the red and yellow to perfection, rode 2410 02:09:08.560 --> 02:09:11.079 the wave and stood atop the mountain, breathing rare air. 2411 02:09:11.159 --> 02:09:13.319 That one last time, it must have been just like 2412 02:09:13.359 --> 02:09:15.720 the old times. For a fleeting moment, Vincent haulk back 2413 02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:18.239 on top. Perhaps both knew it wouldn't last. Maybe in 2414 02:09:18.319 --> 02:09:20.640 their heart of hearts, they just hoped it would back 2415 02:09:20.760 --> 02:09:26.199 last two thousand and two, one last run one two THROUGHNOI. 2416 02:09:27.239 --> 02:09:35.119 He I'm yeah, I'm so. The official change happened on 2417 02:09:36.039 --> 02:09:39.960 May sixth, two thousand and two, dead in the middle 2418 02:09:40.640 --> 02:09:42.159 of Hulk Hogan's. 2419 02:09:41.840 --> 02:09:44.279 I Rememberment Judgment Day two thousand and two was the 2420 02:09:44.319 --> 02:09:45.800 first WWE pay per view. 2421 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:48.520 Yeah, and I remember. I can remember the first time 2422 02:09:48.560 --> 02:09:52.760 I heard them say WWE, and I was mortified. Oh god, 2423 02:09:52.840 --> 02:09:57.119 it was horrible. I remember being just totally. 2424 02:09:58.199 --> 02:10:01.000 Like, what the fuck, because like, wa, you dying and everything, 2425 02:10:01.159 --> 02:10:03.439 and that being the reason that had a lot to 2426 02:10:03.479 --> 02:10:05.399 do with jumping the shark right there. When they changed 2427 02:10:05.399 --> 02:10:07.000 the names, people were like, I'm just not going no, 2428 02:10:07.159 --> 02:10:10.560 I'm not going to watch this and and be triggered 2429 02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:14.560 every time they say w W instead of WWF. But 2430 02:10:14.600 --> 02:10:16.279 we're getting to that point, by the way, don't forget. 2431 02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:18.640 We're getting to that point where it's going to be longer, 2432 02:10:19.439 --> 02:10:21.319 longer than it was WWF. 2433 02:10:21.600 --> 02:10:24.359 So just remember that. Just remember that it's that it 2434 02:10:24.520 --> 02:10:28.800 is going to be more w W than WWF. Okay, 2435 02:10:30.239 --> 02:10:31.680 and I wonder why we're relapsed. 2436 02:10:32.520 --> 02:10:35.960 Yeah, one of the Realist Solar System members in the room, 2437 02:10:36.079 --> 02:10:39.720 Christian Rights Co Chairs. Well, we knew this day would come. 2438 02:10:40.119 --> 02:10:42.960 Kind of ironic, especially considering Vince recently stated his plans 2439 02:10:43.000 --> 02:10:46.560 to create a new entertainment platform and conglomerate which will 2440 02:10:46.560 --> 02:10:47.880 focus exclusively. 2441 02:10:47.439 --> 02:10:51.640 Again, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, it is longer. 2442 02:10:52.399 --> 02:11:00.960 Oh we're there, yeah, because the the the I'm trying 2443 02:11:00.960 --> 02:11:05.720 to look here. Oh no, no, no, no, well yeah 2444 02:11:05.920 --> 02:11:13.640 we are. Actually In March of nineteen seventy nine it 2445 02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:19.800 became WWF, went from Worldwide Wrestling Federation w WF, and 2446 02:11:19.840 --> 02:11:23.680 then twenty three years later, twenty three let's see here, 2447 02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:28.119 twenty three and two months later it became w W 2448 02:11:29.279 --> 02:11:33.760 And now may it's listen, we're there now, we're at 2449 02:11:33.800 --> 02:11:36.840 the even point. It's now done. Now you can't fucking 2450 02:11:36.920 --> 02:11:41.600 say shit, okay, it's always been ww Now you can't 2451 02:11:41.680 --> 02:11:50.640 argue that. All right, it's overs up. Time's over. Times up, motherfuckers. Well, 2452 02:11:50.800 --> 02:11:54.119 John Steen's retirement year is when we realize it's always 2453 02:11:54.119 --> 02:11:54.560 been w W. 2454 02:11:54.920 --> 02:11:56.640 If he rides it off, right, he rides it off 2455 02:11:56.640 --> 02:12:03.640 at the sunset, that permanent switchover, it's over. Well, we 2456 02:12:03.720 --> 02:12:05.880 knew this day would come, Christian rights kind of erotic, 2457 02:12:06.279 --> 02:12:09.239 especially considering Vince recently stated his plans to create a 2458 02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:13.000 new entertainment platform and conglomerate which will focus exclusively on 2459 02:12:13.079 --> 02:12:15.880 both pre and future determined points of bottle of contact 2460 02:12:16.159 --> 02:12:20.000 in the simulated presentation of artificial intelligence and technological engineering 2461 02:12:20.039 --> 02:12:20.800 on a hybrid level. 2462 02:12:21.399 --> 02:12:24.119 Yes, what we are. We're currently in the process of 2463 02:12:24.159 --> 02:12:31.560 building the Vince McMahon owns Hulkamania entertainment companies. That's what 2464 02:12:31.720 --> 02:12:38.479 we have. The mcmanonmania Animania has been running wild these years. 2465 02:12:38.760 --> 02:12:41.920 Mcmanamony has been running while mcmannamania is the only mania 2466 02:12:41.960 --> 02:12:47.880 that exists still and Vince rules, thank you for. 2467 02:12:47.960 --> 02:12:49.920 This, thank you for your time, thank you for your 2468 02:12:49.960 --> 02:12:55.159 attention in this matter. But again we all knew this 2469 02:12:55.239 --> 02:12:58.319 day would come Christian rights. So since Hulcymanea is officially 2470 02:12:58.359 --> 02:13:05.920 and forever dead, this the vinst rules, Vince, and this 2471 02:13:06.039 --> 02:13:08.359 is the decade of lapsed. I propose you have a 2472 02:13:08.439 --> 02:13:11.039 top ten greatest matches of the career of Hulk Hogan. 2473 02:13:12.079 --> 02:13:12.520 That's all I have. 2474 02:13:12.840 --> 02:13:15.479 Like that O W in my school newspaper article about 2475 02:13:15.479 --> 02:13:17.520 Hogan's turning heel at Batch of the Beach. I never 2476 02:13:17.680 --> 02:13:20.159 liked Hogan he was the shits. No, but really, what 2477 02:13:20.239 --> 02:13:22.279 do you think about a ten Greatest Matches tribute? Looking 2478 02:13:22.279 --> 02:13:23.960 forward to whatever you guys do, I'm sure it'll make 2479 02:13:23.960 --> 02:13:25.319 the Hulster proud, boss. 2480 02:13:25.439 --> 02:13:28.600 What do you think to find ten greatest? We have 2481 02:13:28.640 --> 02:13:31.920 to find the prapifications for ten greatest, like ten greatest 2482 02:13:31.960 --> 02:13:34.279 in terms of in ring match quality or ten greatest 2483 02:13:34.319 --> 02:13:39.479 in terms of this is my favorite, yes, anything else. 2484 02:13:39.640 --> 02:13:42.680 It's up to you. What would you pick? I would 2485 02:13:42.760 --> 02:13:47.439 have to say greatest in terms of favorite, like, because 2486 02:13:47.479 --> 02:13:49.560 that to me is what is what matters. What would 2487 02:13:49.560 --> 02:13:52.399 they be? Because if it's if it's greatest, god, top 2488 02:13:52.479 --> 02:13:55.159 ten I mean, in no particular order, just to make 2489 02:13:55.199 --> 02:14:03.439 it easier, yeah, I mean, oh god, um, I mean 2490 02:14:04.399 --> 02:14:08.640 first of all, Rumble ninety one always the top, that's 2491 02:14:08.800 --> 02:14:12.600 number one, still my favorite. Can watch it and just 2492 02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:17.279 be thrilled. Consider that a Hogan match? I do, I do, 2493 02:14:18.119 --> 02:14:21.199 I will because he won it. If he didn't win 2494 02:14:21.239 --> 02:14:25.840 with that's like Flared Knights Rumble match, Yeah right it is. 2495 02:14:28.000 --> 02:14:32.279 I mean, look, Hogan Slaughter. I love Hogan Slaughter. I 2496 02:14:32.359 --> 02:14:35.039 could watch that all the time. I could watch it 2497 02:14:35.199 --> 02:14:46.640 all the time. The Hogan Savage for sure, But Hogan Flair. 2498 02:14:46.680 --> 02:14:51.279 I mean, listen, Hogan Flair, Hogan Flair, Halloween, Havoc, no question, 2499 02:14:52.000 --> 02:14:58.880 Hogan Savage, Hogan Savage. Five. Yes, I don't even know 2500 02:14:58.880 --> 02:15:04.720 where I'm at. Five. Yeah, that's five. Okay. My number 2501 02:15:04.760 --> 02:15:07.600 one is Hogan Warrior. Yeah, what's your number one? Hogan Warrior. Sure, 2502 02:15:09.199 --> 02:15:16.159 that's where really did it all? Yeah, really showed the 2503 02:15:16.199 --> 02:15:20.239 full breath of what he meant and what he could do. Actually, 2504 02:15:20.279 --> 02:15:24.119 I should say my favorite is actually probably the one 2505 02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:27.359 I saw live. That's actually my favorite one, follow by 2506 02:15:27.439 --> 02:15:30.840 romandinety one ninety one. Stuff is just gold to me, 2507 02:15:31.239 --> 02:15:35.000 always will be, always will be. Like watching the build 2508 02:15:35.079 --> 02:15:38.359 up to WrestleMania seven, a couple a couple of shows 2509 02:15:38.399 --> 02:15:44.479 of that just so amazing. Oh and the fucking Serenus 2510 02:15:44.520 --> 02:15:49.039 main event master too. Yeah I've never actually seen it, 2511 02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:53.000 so it doesn't do anything for me, but yeah, the 2512 02:15:53.039 --> 02:15:55.199 stuff that I watched early as a kid, that stuff's 2513 02:15:55.239 --> 02:15:59.760 my favorite. And definitely some Bash some some w CW stuff. 2514 02:15:59.800 --> 02:16:02.319 I mean, like I said, Hogan Flair in the Cage 2515 02:16:02.720 --> 02:16:09.079 is easily up there. Probably Hogan Piper at Starcade. Sure, 2516 02:16:11.279 --> 02:16:13.359 you know, because it meant something to me. Like watching that. 2517 02:16:14.399 --> 02:16:18.439 When I'm watching it live, I gotta go Hogan Andre. Yeah, 2518 02:16:18.520 --> 02:16:20.199 Hogan Andre's on there. I mean, you can't not put 2519 02:16:20.239 --> 02:16:23.359 Hogan Andre on there. It's gotta be. It's my number two. 2520 02:16:24.079 --> 02:16:33.600 But I'm going to Shay Stadium. Oh really, no, brother, Yeah, yeah, 2521 02:16:33.680 --> 02:16:35.840 it's a match in Japan. I mean that's the thing 2522 02:16:35.879 --> 02:16:39.440 that that's a great match. Like, but that's way, it's hard, 2523 02:16:39.559 --> 02:16:41.639 like I don't have the nostalgic feel for it, Like 2524 02:16:41.680 --> 02:16:44.479 I don't like to sit there and well to the 2525 02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:48.280 television right, like in terms of work rate. Yeah, that 2526 02:16:48.399 --> 02:16:49.600 in the moon of match is some of the best 2527 02:16:49.600 --> 02:16:50.000 shit ever. 2528 02:16:50.200 --> 02:16:53.319 The Goldberg match, the you know what it loses, it 2529 02:16:53.840 --> 02:16:55.760 tends to be some of the best stuff. Even the 2530 02:16:56.200 --> 02:16:59.040 match on Nitro. Yeah, I had a joke, man, not 2531 02:16:59.200 --> 02:17:03.239 a joke. Good fucking stuff got the people out of 2532 02:17:03.280 --> 02:17:04.520 their fucking minds. 2533 02:17:05.200 --> 02:17:05.399 Yep. 2534 02:17:05.879 --> 02:17:09.280 And look the Rock match. It's fucking amazing. Yeah, it's 2535 02:17:09.360 --> 02:17:11.920 great and achievement on a level I never would have expected. 2536 02:17:14.079 --> 02:17:19.600 Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's yeah. I'd have to really, 2537 02:17:19.680 --> 02:17:21.239 I mean, honestly, those are the ones on top of 2538 02:17:21.239 --> 02:17:23.159 my head. I'd have to really think about it a 2539 02:17:23.239 --> 02:17:24.079 little more, but like. 2540 02:17:24.239 --> 02:17:25.760 Hit all, you had all the high points. There were 2541 02:17:25.799 --> 02:17:27.879 some sneaky ones in there. I think that we could include, 2542 02:17:27.920 --> 02:17:30.559 but that's pretty much it. The mooda match is good 2543 02:17:30.600 --> 02:17:34.239 in Japan, the uh Yeah, as far as ninety two, 2544 02:17:34.760 --> 02:17:37.520 not much, although I remember it so fondly. 2545 02:17:37.639 --> 02:17:39.520 Well see again for me. But also you know what, 2546 02:17:39.639 --> 02:17:42.719 I love the Sid match. Yeah, you know, like it 2547 02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:45.840 didn't end right, but I love the Sid match. That 2548 02:17:45.959 --> 02:17:47.040 feud is iconic for me. 2549 02:17:47.200 --> 02:17:49.319 And we go back to those savage matches from eighty five. 2550 02:17:49.360 --> 02:17:50.840 We were just watching, like that's some of the best 2551 02:17:50.879 --> 02:17:55.479 hoga and stuff you're gonna find. Yes, Ogan in Valentine, 2552 02:17:55.559 --> 02:17:57.760 Hogan in Morocco, and when he first gets the strap, 2553 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:01.280 it's good stuff. He's out there really going for it, 2554 02:18:01.479 --> 02:18:05.040 you know, trying to make it, try to deserve the 2555 02:18:05.159 --> 02:18:07.079 position of top guy in the business, you know. 2556 02:18:08.280 --> 02:18:13.120 Oh and also the ninety ninety survivisary stuff, both of them, 2557 02:18:13.360 --> 02:18:16.879 both his match with the whole communis versus the natural disasters, 2558 02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:25.360 but also the final MATCHSS survival equally ninety rumble yep, 2559 02:18:26.520 --> 02:18:28.920 that was my That's someone I rented a hundred times, 2560 02:18:28.959 --> 02:18:38.200 not ninety one. Yeah, what can you say? Can you say? Yeah? 2561 02:18:39.200 --> 02:18:40.360 And he did write this. 2562 02:18:42.200 --> 02:18:45.360 Christian did write this piece in his high school newspaper 2563 02:18:45.399 --> 02:18:46.639 that he shared with us, which I think is so 2564 02:18:46.719 --> 02:18:51.040 fucking hilarious. Hulk Cogan has an agenda. The situation involving 2565 02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:54.079 Hulk Cogan in the New World Order, cleverly named the nWo, 2566 02:18:54.280 --> 02:18:56.479 is taking on a whole new perspective in the world 2567 02:18:56.520 --> 02:18:58.600 of professional wrestling. For those of you who are not 2568 02:18:58.680 --> 02:19:01.280 aware of the changes in ww World Championship Wrestling or 2569 02:19:01.280 --> 02:19:03.840 with Hulkogan, let me give a little insight. As of August, 2570 02:19:03.920 --> 02:19:06.559 the man Hulk Cogan is now the nWo slash WCW 2571 02:19:06.680 --> 02:19:10.000 World Heavyweight Champion. This came after he claimed that himself 2572 02:19:10.040 --> 02:19:12.079 and his two new friends, Scott holland Kevin Nash would 2573 02:19:12.079 --> 02:19:16.239 take over WCW and would call it the nWo. That's interesting, 2574 02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:19.680 so he read that as they're going to rename WCW, THENWO, 2575 02:19:20.200 --> 02:19:23.440 that's interesting. The way he won the title was very surprising. Indeed, 2576 02:19:23.479 --> 02:19:26.200 after beating the champion, the Giant, and stirred to South Dakota. 2577 02:19:26.440 --> 02:19:28.440 After he finished the Giant, he took the belt and 2578 02:19:28.520 --> 02:19:30.239 hit him in the head to score the pinfall. He 2579 02:19:30.319 --> 02:19:32.440 then took black spray paint and wrote the three letters 2580 02:19:32.559 --> 02:19:35.079 nWo on the gold title. However, this article is not 2581 02:19:35.200 --> 02:19:36.719 on how he won the title, yet, it is on 2582 02:19:36.840 --> 02:19:39.639 what he's planning on doing with the championship and how 2583 02:19:39.680 --> 02:19:42.120 it will affect the progress of the nWo and namely 2584 02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:44.959 his two friends holland Nash. In any professional sport, there 2585 02:19:45.040 --> 02:19:46.600 is at the end of a season a team or 2586 02:19:46.639 --> 02:19:49.200 a person who was called champion. Everyone in every team 2587 02:19:49.200 --> 02:19:51.559 struggles to one day call themselves champion. Yet in the 2588 02:19:51.559 --> 02:19:53.920 world of hul Cogan, only he can be called such 2589 02:19:53.959 --> 02:19:56.319 a name. As for holland Nash, if they don't portray 2590 02:19:56.440 --> 02:19:58.959 Hulkgan now, they'll never be able to be the champion 2591 02:19:59.000 --> 02:20:02.440 of WCW. Look him wanting nan w out of collapse 2592 02:20:02.479 --> 02:20:05.319 on itself. That's pretty wid The reason for such an 2593 02:20:05.319 --> 02:20:07.520 outrageous statement is to show to the world that Hogan 2594 02:20:07.639 --> 02:20:10.120 is not only a shallow person, but to let his 2595 02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:12.520 partners know that Hogan is planning on holding onto that 2596 02:20:12.600 --> 02:20:14.719 title for as long as it takes, even if it 2597 02:20:14.840 --> 02:20:17.200 means never giving them a title. Shot Man Hallan nashould 2598 02:20:17.200 --> 02:20:19.879 have read this high school newspaper man, they would be 2599 02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:21.760 coming around the corner, strange. 2600 02:20:21.479 --> 02:20:25.239 Fucking booked, rebooked, the whole, fucking uh, the whole. 2601 02:20:25.159 --> 02:20:27.799 Completely strange as it may seem, this happens all the 2602 02:20:27.840 --> 02:20:30.440 time in wrestling. Someone's friend becomes champion and the relationship 2603 02:20:30.520 --> 02:20:33.360 falls straight downhill. This card back in nineteen ninety when 2604 02:20:33.360 --> 02:20:35.280 Sting was a member of the Four Horsemen, the Four 2605 02:20:35.319 --> 02:20:37.319 Horsemen were a lot like the nWo are today. They 2606 02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:39.040 always beat up who they wanted to, and they own 2607 02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:41.840 the World heavyweight title. Sting is very much like Holland Nash. 2608 02:20:41.879 --> 02:20:43.399 He wanted to know what the ten pounds of gold 2609 02:20:43.479 --> 02:20:45.639 felt like. However, Sting was in the wrong place at 2610 02:20:45.639 --> 02:20:48.000 the wrong time. He broke the eleventh Commandment and asked 2611 02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:50.520 then champion Rickclair to give him a title match. He 2612 02:20:50.639 --> 02:20:52.399 left the ring with a broken leg. The result was 2613 02:20:52.479 --> 02:20:54.959 quite clear. Never be friends with the champion, because sooner 2614 02:20:55.040 --> 02:20:56.959 or later you'll be bitter enemies. 2615 02:20:57.360 --> 02:20:58.200 Like that, there we go. 2616 02:20:58.479 --> 02:21:01.200 Maybe holland Nash are at the wrong place the wrong time. Also, 2617 02:21:01.559 --> 02:21:03.920 it would be nothing for Hogan to grant someone else's shot, 2618 02:21:04.159 --> 02:21:05.760 but these are supposed to be the men to help 2619 02:21:05.840 --> 02:21:08.159 him keep the title. The nWo is no doubt a 2620 02:21:08.200 --> 02:21:10.000 force to be reckoned with and Hogan does have some 2621 02:21:10.040 --> 02:21:12.120 pretty good wrestlers by his side, but for how long? 2622 02:21:12.520 --> 02:21:14.760 The only things that will hurt his title reign or, arrogance, 2623 02:21:14.840 --> 02:21:17.280 a big mouth, and a cold heart. He's displaying those 2624 02:21:17.360 --> 02:21:19.920 factors at this point in time. Yet when the smoke 2625 02:21:19.959 --> 02:21:22.200 clears and Hogan walks out of that arena, he'll look 2626 02:21:22.280 --> 02:21:26.520 back and once again be alone. Holy shit, Wow, that's 2627 02:21:26.559 --> 02:21:29.479 fucking that works in a lot of ways. Kudos Christian. 2628 02:21:29.559 --> 02:21:32.760 That's good stuff. Man pulling up an old scan that 2629 02:21:32.840 --> 02:21:35.920 he had of his high school newspaper. 2630 02:21:37.440 --> 02:21:38.559 That's wild. That's fun. 2631 02:21:38.639 --> 02:21:42.280 Thanks for the top ten ideas well. Martin Zamora, Thanks 2632 02:21:42.360 --> 02:21:43.879 very much for bumping up your pledge to get that 2633 02:21:44.639 --> 02:21:47.840 moat tear taste. We deeply appreciated. Isaiah. Isaiah, thank you 2634 02:21:48.719 --> 02:21:51.760 so very much. Christian also asks you think Savage decked 2635 02:21:51.799 --> 02:21:53.200 Hogan in the eye as soon as he saw him 2636 02:21:53.200 --> 02:21:59.280 in heaven. Another thing Christian. 2637 02:21:59.040 --> 02:22:03.200 Wrote some I've seen some funny AI drawings of like 2638 02:22:03.799 --> 02:22:08.000 Hogan being welcomed by by people in Heaven. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, 2639 02:22:08.079 --> 02:22:11.200 no no no, listen, they're going after him, all right, 2640 02:22:11.319 --> 02:22:14.479 nobody's up there like thrilled to see him. You know, 2641 02:22:14.639 --> 02:22:16.559 I mean assuming he goes up to heaven anyway. Listen, 2642 02:22:16.639 --> 02:22:19.520 I mean assuming assuming any pro wrestler is in heaven. 2643 02:22:19.559 --> 02:22:21.360 We talked about the Big Man for a lot of 2644 02:22:21.479 --> 02:22:24.920 years to not earn the admission. Yeah, but he also 2645 02:22:24.959 --> 02:22:28.959 screwed a lot of people down here on Well, none 2646 02:22:28.959 --> 02:22:30.239 of the wrestlers are going to be up there. If 2647 02:22:30.239 --> 02:22:32.840 that's disqualifying, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think 2648 02:22:32.840 --> 02:22:35.479 I can't imagine a single wrestler ever getting up to Heaven. 2649 02:22:36.399 --> 02:22:38.799 Christian also wrote on one of the posts about Hogan's passing, 2650 02:22:39.000 --> 02:22:42.120 I quote from Vince McMahon, I will be the last 2651 02:22:42.159 --> 02:22:46.440 one standing. Oh is that not coming to us? That's 2652 02:22:46.479 --> 02:22:47.959 the way it's going to be, my dev thank you 2653 02:22:48.120 --> 02:22:50.840 very much for your increase in pledge. We deeply appreciate that. 2654 02:22:51.239 --> 02:22:53.920 Cliff writes to us brothers back last two thousand and two, 2655 02:22:54.799 --> 02:22:58.280 Hogan's last world title in Triple H versus the real 2656 02:22:58.399 --> 02:23:02.239 Triple H. He's calling for Josh. We want to thank 2657 02:23:02.239 --> 02:23:03.840 you very much for bumping up to the mote tier. 2658 02:23:04.360 --> 02:23:07.079 Andrew Wright suggestions one deep dive his first title reign, 2659 02:23:07.079 --> 02:23:09.440 including the arena title defenses that are out there. Yeah, 2660 02:23:09.440 --> 02:23:10.680 a lot of those have been done in the Coliseum 2661 02:23:10.719 --> 02:23:13.559 collection actually, but it's a hell of an idea. You know, 2662 02:23:13.680 --> 02:23:16.319 how much can we can we observe of Hogan's original 2663 02:23:16.399 --> 02:23:19.719 title run that wasn't on a quote day preview yep, 2664 02:23:20.440 --> 02:23:22.440 the whole Comedia Colisseum videos in order I will say 2665 02:23:22.479 --> 02:23:23.959 that we're not going to do those. Those are the 2666 02:23:24.000 --> 02:23:28.680 Coliseum collection. Yeah, I agree, So those and I'm sure 2667 02:23:29.239 --> 02:23:31.040 to a large will do the matches that are on 2668 02:23:31.120 --> 02:23:35.120 those tapes anyway. I mean, I mean, well some of them, 2669 02:23:35.600 --> 02:23:37.799 some yes, some know, there's definitely certain a lot of 2670 02:23:38.479 --> 02:23:41.399 shit in there on those tapes that aren't on pay 2671 02:23:41.399 --> 02:23:44.319 per views or big shows. I don't think I ever 2672 02:23:44.360 --> 02:23:46.079 saw a sertain has made event on a whole comedia. 2673 02:23:46.760 --> 02:23:48.639 Well I'm not always get a fucking but the point is, 2674 02:23:48.760 --> 02:23:50.760 the complete Hull Cochin journey does not have to be 2675 02:23:50.959 --> 02:23:52.399 a pay per view or TV show. It could be 2676 02:23:53.399 --> 02:23:55.799 some random show on Philly that was on PRISM, you know. 2677 02:23:56.639 --> 02:23:59.680 And I also, you know, I also think I don't 2678 02:23:59.719 --> 02:24:02.719 I don't personally want to do every Hulk Hogan show. 2679 02:24:03.799 --> 02:24:06.399 I want there to be some down the line, you know. 2680 02:24:06.680 --> 02:24:09.600 But I think the idea of filling in the gaps 2681 02:24:09.639 --> 02:24:11.399 of the major stuff is crucial. 2682 02:24:11.680 --> 02:24:13.840 Yeah, and we know what what counts as major, And 2683 02:24:13.920 --> 02:24:15.479 he also calls for the missing pay per views in 2684 02:24:15.600 --> 02:24:18.239 SNM's Yeah, I think we're all we all kind of 2685 02:24:18.280 --> 02:24:22.520 got there together somehow, some way. We're making suggestions in isolation, 2686 02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:25.040 but when you put them together in vacuums, but when 2687 02:24:25.040 --> 02:24:26.680 you put them together, it's like, Yeah, this is kind 2688 02:24:26.719 --> 02:24:29.600 of the cross current of what everybody's saying. Zach just says, 2689 02:24:29.680 --> 02:24:31.680 just started in seventy five and go to twenty twenty five, 2690 02:24:31.719 --> 02:24:34.159 one episode each year. Easier said than done, but that's 2691 02:24:34.159 --> 02:24:38.879 pretty much what we're gonna do. Absolutely, so many people 2692 02:24:38.920 --> 02:24:40.520 got the news while they were listening to the Bash 2693 02:24:40.600 --> 02:24:43.239 at the Beach ninety four episode. I just can't believe that, 2694 02:24:43.440 --> 02:24:46.440 but that's how we ended up. And yes, Zach, I did. 2695 02:24:46.440 --> 02:24:49.200 Make a mistake saying that Hulk Hogan's attorney was Howard Hughes. 2696 02:24:51.520 --> 02:24:55.319 I was sitting there, Howard Hughes maybe a little. I 2697 02:24:55.399 --> 02:24:57.159 was like, I don't know about that, but okay, his 2698 02:24:57.280 --> 02:24:59.760 name it's Henry Holmes. I thought it was Henry Holmes 2699 02:25:00.200 --> 02:25:05.520 Holmes rather double a Stu Wright. 2700 02:25:05.600 --> 02:25:07.440 Hello, a quick note. How about a piece on how 2701 02:25:07.440 --> 02:25:09.399 the World News reported Hogan's death. This is the World 2702 02:25:09.479 --> 02:25:11.760 News in the UK, for example in the UK, and 2703 02:25:11.840 --> 02:25:13.799 it was on the main BBC six o'clock news, which 2704 02:25:13.840 --> 02:25:16.040 is probably the highest profile. It wasn't as important as 2705 02:25:16.079 --> 02:25:17.959 the cricket score, but was more pressing than the weather. 2706 02:25:18.239 --> 02:25:20.520 They highlighted Rocky and the WWE, but also mentioned the 2707 02:25:20.559 --> 02:25:22.559 Gawker stuff and summed it all up with Hogan's endorsement 2708 02:25:22.600 --> 02:25:25.799 of Donald Trump. I'd be keen on seeing how India, Japan, America, 2709 02:25:25.920 --> 02:25:28.280 in fact any country handled the news. I'm obviously not 2710 02:25:28.319 --> 02:25:30.440 going to seek it out myself, but you asked for suggestions. 2711 02:25:30.520 --> 02:25:32.799 Yes, thank yous to. This is a good idea. 2712 02:25:32.920 --> 02:25:34.559 I'm not quite sure how we thread that in, but 2713 02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:38.079 I think it is interesting to note. I know that 2714 02:25:38.280 --> 02:25:41.920 Fumisaido did a show for Wrestling Observer on what Hogan 2715 02:25:41.959 --> 02:25:44.840 meant to Japan, which I'm looking forward to checking out. Fumi, 2716 02:25:44.920 --> 02:25:48.440 you might recall from the Lapsed Funk series, has really 2717 02:25:48.559 --> 02:25:51.079 nice beat on not only how wrestlers are received in 2718 02:25:51.120 --> 02:25:53.079 his native Japan, but having lived in the States for 2719 02:25:53.239 --> 02:25:55.600 years and being fluent in English, he also understands how 2720 02:25:55.639 --> 02:25:58.520 to explain that to an American wrestling audience, you know, 2721 02:25:58.959 --> 02:26:01.959 and translate what the cultural impact is. So I look 2722 02:26:02.000 --> 02:26:05.280 forward to getting his sense of how Hogan's career in 2723 02:26:05.719 --> 02:26:08.680 passing was received in Japan but other countries. It's tough 2724 02:26:08.680 --> 02:26:10.680 to say the UK is great because, as so many 2725 02:26:10.680 --> 02:26:12.399 of our listeners are in the UK have pointed out 2726 02:26:12.440 --> 02:26:15.120 to us, the steroid trial didn't hurt him over there. 2727 02:26:15.399 --> 02:26:17.000 There's a reason that he starts leaning in with the 2728 02:26:17.000 --> 02:26:19.879 Wrestling boot Band and talking about Wembley in the UK 2729 02:26:20.000 --> 02:26:21.799 A whole hell of a lot after that ww Front 2730 02:26:21.879 --> 02:26:27.000 ends right, Tony writes, greeting's co chairs, I'm sure you're 2731 02:26:27.000 --> 02:26:29.280 getting pounded with suggestions regarding what to do with the 2732 02:26:29.280 --> 02:26:31.000 potential Hulk tribute, but I didn't want to throw out 2733 02:26:31.000 --> 02:26:37.200 a couple of suggestions. One guess what he says selfishly, 2734 02:26:37.239 --> 02:26:40.079 I attended this show. Wow he attended? Oh I need 2735 02:26:40.200 --> 02:26:41.799 I need information on that one when we come to 2736 02:26:41.879 --> 02:26:43.959 it in about have to contribute to his story or 2737 02:26:43.959 --> 02:26:47.159 two regarding the feelings in the arena that night and 2738 02:26:47.200 --> 02:26:49.200 after Hulk beat Triple eights, that was a fascinating show. 2739 02:26:49.239 --> 02:26:50.959 Don't waste any time, Tony, get it to us now, 2740 02:26:51.639 --> 02:26:54.120 Get it to us now, or get started on it now. 2741 02:26:54.319 --> 02:26:58.079 Two Saturday's Made Event July nineteen ninety. This was the 2742 02:26:58.120 --> 02:26:59.920 first show I ever attended and it had Hulk's return 2743 02:27:00.040 --> 02:27:00.840 interview since being. 2744 02:27:00.799 --> 02:27:03.200 Injured by earthquake. What was it you meet the date again? 2745 02:27:03.280 --> 02:27:05.639 July nineteen ninety before SummerSlam. Oh wow. 2746 02:27:06.319 --> 02:27:07.799 This was the first show I ever attended and had 2747 02:27:07.840 --> 02:27:10.120 Hulk's return interviews since being injured by earthquake. 2748 02:27:10.680 --> 02:27:11.959 That was a huge show for me. I mean you 2749 02:27:12.000 --> 02:27:14.200 want to talk about you know, Cornerstone. It was the 2750 02:27:14.239 --> 02:27:15.200 first WWS pay per. 2751 02:27:15.200 --> 02:27:18.120 View I ever watched Summer Slam ninety plus it has 2752 02:27:18.200 --> 02:27:20.959 that tribute package before the interview, which now seems really poignant. 2753 02:27:21.000 --> 02:27:24.319 I still have so many memories from this show. There 2754 02:27:24.360 --> 02:27:26.600 are many others, including the big event SummerSlam eighty eight 2755 02:27:26.760 --> 02:27:31.040 ninety eight, No pardon me, SummerSlam eighty eight, Hex Survivors 2756 02:27:31.040 --> 02:27:33.120 Series eighty seven. Yeah, but I would love to hear 2757 02:27:33.200 --> 02:27:35.079 the coverage you gentlemen would provide for two shows I 2758 02:27:35.120 --> 02:27:37.000 hold near and dear. Thanks for hearing me out, thank 2759 02:27:37.040 --> 02:27:38.440 you for the memories, thank you for the inspiration, and 2760 02:27:38.479 --> 02:27:42.120 thank you proclamania. Thank you rollers there you go, SNMA 2761 02:27:42.239 --> 02:27:45.959 July ninety. Probably we'll say a lot about Hogan. It's 2762 02:27:45.959 --> 02:27:48.360 not a match, but that segment ought to be in 2763 02:27:48.399 --> 02:27:51.920 there somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 2764 02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:53.840 Steve says, I was just sitting in my tent at 2765 02:27:53.879 --> 02:27:55.559 a music festival, so I've been cut off from the 2766 02:27:55.600 --> 02:27:56.360 world a bit. Today. 2767 02:27:56.559 --> 02:27:58.600 My son sent me a text message a short while ago. 2768 02:27:58.680 --> 02:28:02.399 Hulk Hogan has died. Fuck me dictionary definition of end 2769 02:28:02.399 --> 02:28:04.760 of an era, without doubt, the greatest pro wrestler of 2770 02:28:04.799 --> 02:28:06.879 all time. I'm going to keep this brief. May send 2771 02:28:06.920 --> 02:28:08.600 more thoughts when I'm home next week, but I saw 2772 02:28:08.680 --> 02:28:11.319 your tweet about oh bit coverage and any suggestions we 2773 02:28:11.440 --> 02:28:15.239 may have. My suggestion, deep dive the entire Mega Powers arc. 2774 02:28:16.600 --> 02:28:19.600 It's the protheosis of the art in my opinion. Dig 2775 02:28:19.680 --> 02:28:22.520 up every match, every promo, every magazine article, and go 2776 02:28:22.639 --> 02:28:25.760 deepen that ass on the Megapowers month's worth of shows 2777 02:28:25.799 --> 02:28:27.840 there to do it justice, but it deserves it. It's 2778 02:28:27.879 --> 02:28:32.200 the best angle ever and personally was my favorite formative 2779 02:28:32.280 --> 02:28:33.799 rather wrestling experience. 2780 02:28:34.000 --> 02:28:35.840 It's what got me on the hook. Brother. 2781 02:28:37.120 --> 02:28:41.239 Yeah, that has good stuff, man, Yeah, yeah, shout outs 2782 02:28:41.280 --> 02:28:44.680 to Josh, who gave a lot of the outlines of 2783 02:28:44.719 --> 02:28:47.399 that list that I read out there just a while ago. 2784 02:28:47.479 --> 02:28:51.159 On the show of Unaddressed Hogan Episodes, Anthony writes, I've 2785 02:28:51.159 --> 02:28:53.200 been a loyalty LF fan since the beginning. You may 2786 02:28:53.280 --> 02:28:57.200 recognize me from Twitter. I'm beginning begging you rather to 2787 02:28:57.280 --> 02:28:59.799 please cover the Colisseum video release Hulcymania three in your 2788 02:28:59.840 --> 02:29:03.440 t to Hogan, he's begging us, boss. Wow, I don't 2789 02:29:03.479 --> 02:29:08.479 know begging. It's the entire Hogan and Entre feud from 2790 02:29:08.520 --> 02:29:09.399 beginning to eighty eight. 2791 02:29:10.280 --> 02:29:11.040 Oh, that's interesting. 2792 02:29:11.120 --> 02:29:13.360 It's the best Colosseum release in my opinion, and the 2793 02:29:13.399 --> 02:29:15.879 best WWF home video release other than because Stone Cold 2794 02:29:15.920 --> 02:29:18.200 said so. Looking forward to everything you do. Thank you 2795 02:29:18.280 --> 02:29:21.159 for your consideration, Anthony, I love it. I think we're 2796 02:29:21.159 --> 02:29:23.360 gonna have to let you down there. But we'll see, 2797 02:29:23.639 --> 02:29:24.680 we'll see, I mean. 2798 02:29:24.799 --> 02:29:27.920 But I'll say, you know, it might be it might 2799 02:29:27.959 --> 02:29:30.360 be something to like. At least go through and take 2800 02:29:30.399 --> 02:29:38.360 a look at some of the stuff that isn't you know, 2801 02:29:38.559 --> 02:29:41.040 maybe not seen as much, you know, there's sure. That's 2802 02:29:41.079 --> 02:29:44.000 what I always love about the the Colisseum videos is 2803 02:29:44.040 --> 02:29:46.520 that they have stuff that was airing at the time 2804 02:29:46.600 --> 02:29:48.000 that a lot of times they haven't put up on 2805 02:29:48.040 --> 02:29:50.600 the network for sure. Whatever you know, there's a lot 2806 02:29:50.879 --> 02:29:51.319 that's true. 2807 02:29:52.399 --> 02:29:54.719 DJ Smithy, thanks very much for bumping up your pledge 2808 02:29:55.079 --> 02:29:57.799 to the MOAT tier level. We deeply appreciate that side 2809 02:29:57.840 --> 02:29:59.920 of support. Christian did the same thing before mentioned Chris 2810 02:30:00.360 --> 02:30:02.440 Lucky want to thank you very much for making it 2811 02:30:02.520 --> 02:30:05.000 our lucky day. Josh, thank you very much. Jimmy, thank 2812 02:30:05.040 --> 02:30:07.680 you very much. These fuckers said, you know what mote 2813 02:30:07.799 --> 02:30:08.159 is for me? 2814 02:30:08.879 --> 02:30:09.079 Matt. 2815 02:30:09.280 --> 02:30:11.719 Matt just wrote a single subject brother, It's all, he 2816 02:30:11.799 --> 02:30:15.600 wrote in response to our call for suggestions webinar. Thank 2817 02:30:15.639 --> 02:30:19.680 you very much for your increase in pledge. Scott Michael said, also, 2818 02:30:20.079 --> 02:30:20.959 know what happened. 2819 02:30:20.680 --> 02:30:21.520 Ten years ago today? 2820 02:30:22.079 --> 02:30:24.520 The recording of Hogan saying racist shit was leaked. He 2821 02:30:24.639 --> 02:30:29.280 died on the tenth anniversary of that. He also says, 2822 02:30:29.319 --> 02:30:30.840 the most fucked up thing about this is as soon 2823 02:30:30.840 --> 02:30:33.280 as I heard the news, my immediate thought was wondering 2824 02:30:33.319 --> 02:30:36.879 who was going to make the call first. That's that's 2825 02:30:36.959 --> 02:30:38.879 what we do, That's what people think now. Also, I 2826 02:30:38.959 --> 02:30:40.799 bet Hogan gets cremated because there's going to be a 2827 02:30:40.840 --> 02:30:42.600 clause in his will prohibiting anyone. 2828 02:30:42.319 --> 02:30:45.799 From burying him. Of course, listen, come on, Amber, thank 2829 02:30:45.799 --> 02:30:46.319 you very much. 2830 02:30:47.159 --> 02:30:50.159 Nobody can bury Hulk that mote tier taste. Travis Wilcox, 2831 02:30:50.239 --> 02:30:52.719 thank you for that generous increase in pledge. Jim Grant, 2832 02:30:52.760 --> 02:30:55.520 Welcome in to the TLF Patreon solar system. Chris g 2833 02:30:55.719 --> 02:30:58.360 same to you. We really appreciate it. Mick Arsenal, Welcome in, 2834 02:30:58.479 --> 02:31:00.760 my friend, and thank you for the pledge. Nathan writes 2835 02:31:00.799 --> 02:31:02.360 my whole life, I imagine I would feel bad and 2836 02:31:02.440 --> 02:31:04.399 sad for his passing. I wanted him to be good 2837 02:31:04.440 --> 02:31:06.879 and worthy. I tried so hard to keep him in 2838 02:31:06.920 --> 02:31:09.079 that column. Even after the sex tape, with the racism, 2839 02:31:09.120 --> 02:31:10.959 I still wanted to believe he was remorseful and trying 2840 02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:13.000 to be better. Then last year he just doubled down 2841 02:31:13.079 --> 02:31:14.959 on the heat. I more than the idea of Hulk Cogan, 2842 02:31:15.000 --> 02:31:17.600 who died twenty years ago. Terry Bulay is either lucky 2843 02:31:17.639 --> 02:31:19.799 there is no hell or he's there now. Did I 2844 02:31:19.879 --> 02:31:24.159 still shed tears? Yes, it's a lot we'll put Yeah. 2845 02:31:24.280 --> 02:31:26.760 I mean again, Matt, that's kind of it, like it's 2846 02:31:27.559 --> 02:31:29.719 it's a hard it's a very hard thing. 2847 02:31:29.840 --> 02:31:33.280 It's not It's not black and white like like he 2848 02:31:33.440 --> 02:31:37.280 was in nWo Right, Daniel Beasley, thank you very much 2849 02:31:37.360 --> 02:31:39.959 for bouncing up to the motier. We appreciate it. Chris Calamito, 2850 02:31:40.000 --> 02:31:41.840 Welcome in, my friend, and thanks for the pledge. Same 2851 02:31:41.879 --> 02:31:45.639 to you, Charles Spina. We really appreciate your support on Patreon. 2852 02:31:45.760 --> 02:31:47.680 Jerome Cussen, same goes for you, my friend. Thank you 2853 02:31:47.840 --> 02:31:50.440 very much. Dirty Non sent us a message co Chairs. 2854 02:31:51.159 --> 02:31:54.239 Hulk Cogin passed away today. A constant in my life 2855 02:31:54.239 --> 02:31:56.959 as a wrestling fan was Hul Cocin. My earliest memories 2856 02:31:56.959 --> 02:31:59.280 of wrestling were Hulk on Saturday Night's Made Event. I 2857 02:31:59.399 --> 02:32:01.280 was on his side when the Mega Powers erupted, and 2858 02:32:01.360 --> 02:32:03.399 I was with him during the Ultimate Challenge. Me and 2859 02:32:03.440 --> 02:32:05.680 my wife's entrance music at my wedding was Voodoo Child. 2860 02:32:06.159 --> 02:32:08.879 Recent years have made being a fan of Hulk problematic, 2861 02:32:08.959 --> 02:32:10.959 and I thank the co Chairs for helping us the 2862 02:32:11.040 --> 02:32:13.360 Solar System process what it means to be a wrestling 2863 02:32:13.399 --> 02:32:15.799 fan and a fan of Hulk Hogan. This fucking cast 2864 02:32:15.920 --> 02:32:18.920 is the only true chronicle of the life of Terry Boleup. 2865 02:32:19.239 --> 02:32:21.399 We know this man inside and out without ever meeting him. 2866 02:32:21.479 --> 02:32:23.840 It definitely hurts inside, but I know the co chairs 2867 02:32:23.879 --> 02:32:27.760 will be there. Thank you for hul comania. David writes, 2868 02:32:27.799 --> 02:32:29.879 holy shit listening to the one two three as Hogan 2869 02:32:29.959 --> 02:32:32.760 wins the title from Flair when I find out from 2870 02:32:32.760 --> 02:32:38.159 a text message that he has died, m oregan, damn man. 2871 02:32:38.399 --> 02:32:40.200 The upcoming journey the co chairs are about to take 2872 02:32:40.239 --> 02:32:41.639 us on is going to be one for the ages. 2873 02:32:42.000 --> 02:32:44.479 Rip Hulk. May you no longer worry about being rolled 2874 02:32:44.559 --> 02:32:48.680 up from behind? Yeah? He still listen. That's that's far 2875 02:32:48.799 --> 02:32:55.920 from over, far from over, absolutely absolutely far from over. Well, 2876 02:32:56.239 --> 02:32:58.360 well you've been well, you've been giving on. Jesus. Dude 2877 02:32:58.600 --> 02:33:04.319 keeps looking at me. Brother, what what dude? Is he 2878 02:33:05.719 --> 02:33:09.520 uprotherer is the Christ Child tring? Roam me up, dude. 2879 02:33:10.840 --> 02:33:13.440 I'm dude, I'm on to dig that voodoo child. 2880 02:33:15.360 --> 02:33:18.040 Andrew nails it. He just writes, OMG Bash of the 2881 02:33:18.040 --> 02:33:19.719 Beach ninety four episode anticipated this. 2882 02:33:19.959 --> 02:33:20.760 I have no words. 2883 02:33:20.799 --> 02:33:25.120 You two spoke this into reality. Mike writes, Hogan being 2884 02:33:25.159 --> 02:33:28.360 at paid mouthpiece for Orlando's tourism reminds me of Antonio 2885 02:33:28.360 --> 02:33:30.520 and OKI's later years as a diplomat, where he was 2886 02:33:30.600 --> 02:33:32.959 essentially paid to read a script for whatever country he 2887 02:33:33.079 --> 02:33:36.280 was visiting. Yes, this is my point. Hulk is for sale. 2888 02:33:36.440 --> 02:33:39.920 It's not new, Yes, exactly exactly. Pulk performs for the 2889 02:33:40.000 --> 02:33:41.040 audience in front of him. 2890 02:33:41.760 --> 02:33:45.159 He's been for sales and see got in the professional wrestling. 2891 02:33:44.920 --> 02:33:49.639 That's correct, But he's ironically where he hardly ever sold, right, Alan, 2892 02:33:49.719 --> 02:33:51.639 thank you very much for your pledge and welcome into 2893 02:33:51.639 --> 02:33:55.319 the TLF solar system at the Eptier. No less, Kirk 2894 02:33:55.479 --> 02:33:58.879 wants us to know quote wrestling school again again, never 2895 02:33:58.959 --> 02:34:01.879 has been, never will be. So so much for those 2896 02:34:01.920 --> 02:34:04.120 remarks during the Bash of the Beach ninety four broadcast, 2897 02:34:04.840 --> 02:34:06.280 Wrestling's cool again. 2898 02:34:07.120 --> 02:34:11.000 Now, I'm sorry you know that is, without a doubt, 2899 02:34:11.120 --> 02:34:13.120 one of the worst fucking things I've ever heard. The 2900 02:34:13.159 --> 02:34:16.079 world is watching now? What the world is watching? 2901 02:34:16.200 --> 02:34:16.360 Now? 2902 02:34:16.760 --> 02:34:22.479 Hey, Wrestling's cool again? No new news. 2903 02:34:22.719 --> 02:34:24.840 Now we're pushing on the mail bag side a little 2904 02:34:24.879 --> 02:34:28.840 bit just before the news came out about Hull Cogen 2905 02:34:28.879 --> 02:34:30.200 and some of the comments we got on a Batch 2906 02:34:30.239 --> 02:34:32.520 of the Beach episode before that was the overwhelming sentiment. 2907 02:34:33.040 --> 02:34:35.680 Sean writes, Shaq would already qualify for Under the Cinemat 2908 02:34:35.760 --> 02:34:38.079 due to his tag match against Cody at aw because 2909 02:34:38.079 --> 02:34:40.040 we talked about how Shak's participation in Bashed at the 2910 02:34:40.040 --> 02:34:42.840 Beach qualifies like Blue Chips and other movies like that. 2911 02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:45.239 Well also, I mean, I was gonna say also his 2912 02:34:45.360 --> 02:34:47.040 TNA stuff too, So I don't even know he had 2913 02:34:47.079 --> 02:34:48.440 a match he wrestled Code. 2914 02:34:48.520 --> 02:34:50.680 Yeah, that a tag match cod during the can Denis 2915 02:34:51.600 --> 02:34:53.959 towards the tail end. They may have had fans back. Yeah, 2916 02:34:54.920 --> 02:34:56.680 that was a big deal. They were supposed to involve 2917 02:34:56.760 --> 02:34:58.600 a Brandy but she got hurt, so they had a 2918 02:34:59.840 --> 02:35:02.120 h oh my god, what is it? 2919 02:35:02.200 --> 02:35:04.879 Red? What's her first name? I forgot her name? 2920 02:35:05.959 --> 02:35:10.920 Team with a Red bashing team with Cody, Shaq would 2921 02:35:10.920 --> 02:35:12.959 already qualify for UTC. Yep, I'm sure there must be 2922 02:35:13.000 --> 02:35:14.799 a story behind the match that never happened. In him 2923 02:35:14.840 --> 02:35:16.680 and Big Show, which was teased a few times in 2924 02:35:16.799 --> 02:35:18.600 w Yeah, they wanted to put together Shaquilla and Neil 2925 02:35:18.680 --> 02:35:20.799 versus Big Show for WrestleMania one year, but it didn't happen. 2926 02:35:20.920 --> 02:35:22.399 And then Shaq was in that Battle Royal, so he 2927 02:35:22.520 --> 02:35:23.319 definitely counts there. 2928 02:35:23.440 --> 02:35:27.159 He was in there. He in Dallas, He's done plenty twenty, 2929 02:35:27.399 --> 02:35:31.760 totally qualified. So also Regal talked about facing a nook. Yeah, 2930 02:35:31.760 --> 02:35:33.879 we talked about why Steve Regal and Andok had a 2931 02:35:33.920 --> 02:35:36.639 confrontation on the Bash of the Beach broadcast. Yes, and 2932 02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:39.040 Sean notes that Regal talked about facing a nook in 2933 02:35:39.079 --> 02:35:41.639 his short lived podcast, apparently in OKI's retirement. Tourtali was 2934 02:35:41.680 --> 02:35:44.159 about facing wrestlers of all different styles and he wanted 2935 02:35:44.200 --> 02:35:46.680 a Wigan snake Pit trained heavyweight, of which Regal could 2936 02:35:46.680 --> 02:35:49.879 meet the criteria. So there you go. Wow, I'll throw 2937 02:35:49.959 --> 02:35:53.040 back to Billy Robinson that I'm that. 2938 02:35:53.120 --> 02:35:55.360 I have no doubt Corey wants to take issue. Come on, boys, 2939 02:35:55.440 --> 02:35:57.319 Jesse said it over and over, and I vehemently agree. 2940 02:35:57.559 --> 02:35:59.959 Jim Brenzel had the greatest drop kick in the world, 2941 02:36:00.120 --> 02:36:03.680 full stop, never matched. No, that's not an open and 2942 02:36:03.719 --> 02:36:07.680 shutcase to you. No, I don't like uh Brunzell's a 2943 02:36:07.719 --> 02:36:11.360 fucking piece of shit. Perfect, That's perfect, no question. 2944 02:36:11.399 --> 02:36:13.000 Wait, the way he held the hand under the chin 2945 02:36:13.079 --> 02:36:16.639 before he launched, yep, the way, the way like he 2946 02:36:16.760 --> 02:36:19.440 had just a perfect standing drop kick, and he would 2947 02:36:19.479 --> 02:36:23.159 he would get incredible height and he would connect so brilliantly. No, 2948 02:36:23.760 --> 02:36:28.319 I just I also, I just don't like Jim Brenze, 2949 02:36:28.479 --> 02:36:30.319 like I can't. I don't the face is tough. I 2950 02:36:30.360 --> 02:36:32.680 don't face is tough. I don't like looking at him, 2951 02:36:32.719 --> 02:36:35.879 and I don't. I don't just don't enjoy his matches 2952 02:36:36.040 --> 02:36:39.040 that much, So go fuck himself. 2953 02:36:39.520 --> 02:36:42.319 This, of course, from our Best of WWF Volume eight 2954 02:36:42.520 --> 02:36:45.120 coverage in the Colisseum Collection. Corey also writes, because we're 2955 02:36:45.120 --> 02:36:46.920 talking about when Brett and jim had first formed a 2956 02:36:46.959 --> 02:36:49.840 tag team, Brett and Jim had time together, he informs 2957 02:36:49.920 --> 02:36:52.479 us in Calgary and the WWF Nightheart was with Jimmy, 2958 02:36:52.520 --> 02:36:54.399 and that was when Bundy was still with Jimmy. They 2959 02:36:54.440 --> 02:36:57.120 even teased a Bundy Knightheart tag team. This is right 2960 02:36:57.280 --> 02:37:00.319 when Brett was transitioning from Cowboy Brett Hard. I remember 2961 02:37:00.479 --> 02:37:02.239 WWF he started as cowboy bred Hart. 2962 02:37:02.479 --> 02:37:03.879 Oh my god, that is suppressed, and. 2963 02:37:03.879 --> 02:37:06.000 The commentators were noticing his heel tactics in the ring, 2964 02:37:06.079 --> 02:37:08.079 even though he hadn't really officially gone bad yet. The 2965 02:37:08.159 --> 02:37:11.520 Heart Foundation formed very quickly after that. Corey's always the 2966 02:37:11.559 --> 02:37:13.920 best at remembering those when we were two years old, 2967 02:37:14.040 --> 02:37:16.680 stuff that they just lose to time unless you are 2968 02:37:16.680 --> 02:37:19.639 watching week to week. Will Randolph want to thank you 2969 02:37:19.719 --> 02:37:21.280 very much for bumping up your pledge same to you, 2970 02:37:21.479 --> 02:37:24.600 Ah Richard. That's a deeply appreciated doubling of that coinage 2971 02:37:24.639 --> 02:37:27.719 to your co chairs Jeremy, thank you very much, Cody 2972 02:37:27.799 --> 02:37:31.360 writes to mine in Tampa. No, you're in contempt. Nice 2973 02:37:33.559 --> 02:37:35.159 one of the one of the better moments. 2974 02:37:35.920 --> 02:37:37.440 That was so fucking great. 2975 02:37:41.360 --> 02:37:44.159 John writes, co chairman, longtime listener and Patreon member here. 2976 02:37:44.280 --> 02:37:45.680 Haven't written in a while, but in light of the 2977 02:37:45.680 --> 02:37:47.680 conversation about Thunder and Paradise ter in the Bash of 2978 02:37:47.719 --> 02:37:49.760 the Beach ninety four episode, I felt it necessary to change. 2979 02:37:50.120 --> 02:37:51.959 I'll cut right to the chase. Within the last two years, 2980 02:37:52.000 --> 02:37:54.040 I've managed to watch every episode of Thunder and Paradise 2981 02:37:54.120 --> 02:37:57.000 on YouTube. I'm sorry I have a particular nostalgia connection 2982 02:37:57.079 --> 02:37:59.319 at that time period when wrestling overlap with another interest 2983 02:37:59.360 --> 02:38:01.959 of mine, Disney World. They learned not long ago the 2984 02:38:02.000 --> 02:38:03.920 show is not only filmed on sound stages at the park, 2985 02:38:03.959 --> 02:38:06.559 but also in the parks. There were entire episodes filmed 2986 02:38:06.719 --> 02:38:09.600 on the Indiana Jones Stunt show stage, and in the 2987 02:38:09.639 --> 02:38:12.120 episode they do the stunts that they do in the 2988 02:38:12.159 --> 02:38:15.159 actual Disney show and the Morocco Pavilion at Epcot. The 2989 02:38:15.200 --> 02:38:18.000 living sees Aquarium and Epcot, and there's literally an episode 2990 02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:20.719 where they just go to the Magic Kingdom. Not only that, 2991 02:38:20.840 --> 02:38:22.680 but there are so many wrestlers in it, from Beefcake 2992 02:38:22.680 --> 02:38:26.840 Brutus to Jim Knightheart Tuggers, Terry Funk, Jimmy Hart, Gian Gonzales, 2993 02:38:27.040 --> 02:38:29.520 not to mention, Sting had a season long story arc 2994 02:38:29.520 --> 02:38:31.760 as the primary heel. I know you guys are tough 2995 02:38:31.840 --> 02:38:34.000 on it, and rightfully so, because it's pretty terrible, but 2996 02:38:34.079 --> 02:38:36.760 it's very much in that so bad it's good category 2997 02:38:36.920 --> 02:38:39.079 and takes me back to pretty good place mentally. 2998 02:38:39.639 --> 02:38:43.799 Boss do with Thunder and Paradise Journey. This is the 2999 02:38:43.840 --> 02:38:47.159 playlist on YouTube, he gives us with love the episodes. Wow, 3000 02:38:47.479 --> 02:38:49.760 it's there. Well, take a look at it. I don't 3001 02:38:49.760 --> 02:38:51.920 know if I'm I don't know if I can care, 3002 02:38:52.719 --> 02:38:56.079 but that's a lot I have. Listen, I have plans. 3003 02:38:56.440 --> 02:38:58.600 Although we'll see that's a tantalizing remark. 3004 02:38:59.639 --> 02:39:01.280 They did it few two partters. He writes that I 3005 02:39:01.319 --> 02:39:04.440 think we're released as DVD movies. I recommended episodes. Yeah 3006 02:39:04.479 --> 02:39:07.399 that I that I that I know I would actually 3007 02:39:07.479 --> 02:39:13.200 be down with doing movies. I don't think like yeah, 3008 02:39:13.360 --> 02:39:15.200 like there because like the I mean we did the 3009 02:39:15.280 --> 02:39:19.399 original one, which was done as a movie. How many 3010 02:39:19.440 --> 02:39:20.399 episodes are there there? 3011 02:39:20.760 --> 02:39:23.280 Well, no, they really actually it's not I mean it's 3012 02:39:23.399 --> 02:39:26.479 it's it's not awful, right, you know, it's it's twenty 3013 02:39:26.639 --> 02:39:30.799 twenty two episodes, which we could probably do, you know, 3014 02:39:32.000 --> 02:39:34.479 like the problem I'll tell you what the problem with 3015 02:39:35.120 --> 02:39:36.959 the problem with TV shows And this is what I 3016 02:39:37.559 --> 02:39:41.760 what I discovered during Twin Peaks is that there's not 3017 02:39:41.920 --> 02:39:46.799 a lot written about the creation of individual episodes. It's 3018 02:39:46.799 --> 02:39:52.440 about the show as a whole. And so while it's 3019 02:39:52.799 --> 02:39:56.159 you know, like it was, it was it was actually 3020 02:39:56.360 --> 02:39:58.440 it was hard to kind of figure out what to 3021 02:39:58.600 --> 02:40:01.639 say for what episodes for the Twin Peaks, for the 3022 02:40:01.799 --> 02:40:06.200 David Lynch tribute, because we're squeezing. I was trying to get, 3023 02:40:06.479 --> 02:40:10.200 you know, eight episodes of television into what four episodes 3024 02:40:10.239 --> 02:40:12.600 of the show, and so it's it's just it's just 3025 02:40:12.760 --> 02:40:19.799 hard because they it's just it's not as you know, 3026 02:40:19.920 --> 02:40:23.559 you've got a longer span of time where a lot 3027 02:40:23.639 --> 02:40:26.639 of stuff's happening at the same time versus a movie. 3028 02:40:27.239 --> 02:40:30.000 It's like, you know, from this period to this period, 3029 02:40:30.440 --> 02:40:32.479 everyone's focusing on this movie or at least I can 3030 02:40:32.559 --> 02:40:35.520 find information about focusing on this movie, but doing a 3031 02:40:35.600 --> 02:40:38.840 whole show is is that That's been That's been one 3032 02:40:38.879 --> 02:40:40.959 of the one of the reasons why I've been a 3033 02:40:41.000 --> 02:40:44.840 little bit apprehensive for doing full on seasons and why 3034 02:40:45.159 --> 02:40:49.719 the Twin Peaks one. Doing seven episodes was better, was easier, 3035 02:40:49.799 --> 02:40:51.920 you know, because there was ways to space it out. 3036 02:40:53.760 --> 02:40:55.559 But you know, maybe doing one of the one of 3037 02:40:55.600 --> 02:40:57.520 the TV movies on it'll be about it in addition 3038 02:40:57.600 --> 02:41:01.680 to you know what I'm thinking about out But that's interesting. 3039 02:41:01.760 --> 02:41:04.040 I didn't think about that. Yeah, I'm not opposed to it. 3040 02:41:04.079 --> 02:41:04.799 I'm not opposed to it. 3041 02:41:04.920 --> 02:41:07.479 He recommends episode six and seven, a two parter that 3042 02:41:07.559 --> 02:41:10.120 mostly takes place in Epcot's Morocco and the Indian and 3043 02:41:10.200 --> 02:41:12.920 Jones stunt show. It's technically really bad TV. I won't 3044 02:41:12.959 --> 02:41:14.799 beat around the Bush brother, but I'd be lying if 3045 02:41:14.799 --> 02:41:17.040 I said I didn't enjoy it on a purely nostalgic level. 3046 02:41:17.079 --> 02:41:19.799 It also features Tuggers. Lastly, if you want to see Hogan, 3047 02:41:19.840 --> 02:41:22.840 oh my god, that's big. If you want to see 3048 02:41:22.879 --> 02:41:24.440 Hogan thirsty as fuck, I'm ruining this match with the 3049 02:41:24.479 --> 02:41:27.040 Jaqura Show. In nineteen ninety seven, as well as a 3050 02:41:27.200 --> 02:41:29.440 very random rat music video with the Quebecer's watched the 3051 02:41:29.440 --> 02:41:31.079 first ten minutes of this Thank you for the link. 3052 02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:34.000 You can find it as ww fancam footage. That was 3053 02:41:34.040 --> 02:41:35.879 the night that a Hogan got rolled up by Chakra 3054 02:41:35.959 --> 02:41:37.799 Shou in the middle of the Hollywood Hogan run. 3055 02:41:38.840 --> 02:41:41.440 It might be interesting to do you know, because we 3056 02:41:41.520 --> 02:41:44.159 did do the I know, we did the first, the 3057 02:41:44.239 --> 02:41:50.280 first the pilot of Thunder and Paradise for the main show, 3058 02:41:50.319 --> 02:41:54.239 that it might be interesting. I was thinking the series 3059 02:41:54.319 --> 02:42:01.079 finale is also a two part a two part episode, 3060 02:42:01.760 --> 02:42:04.280 so that might be maybe something to consider it too fascinating. 3061 02:42:05.280 --> 02:42:09.159 I'm sufficiently intrigued. I'm intrigued. I'm definitely intrigued by you 3062 02:42:09.200 --> 02:42:11.520 do you think, especially because it's not a full on 3063 02:42:12.360 --> 02:42:15.239 especially because it is like a you know, I forget 3064 02:42:15.239 --> 02:42:18.360 that there weren't multiple seasons. It was just one season 3065 02:42:19.159 --> 02:42:23.760 with you know, all right, well I will I'll take 3066 02:42:23.840 --> 02:42:26.319 him in consideration. Here's her turning. I can hear him. 3067 02:42:26.319 --> 02:42:29.680 Here's turning. Yeah, I know the man gears are turning. Yep. 3068 02:42:30.040 --> 02:42:32.319 Yeah, and sorry it was Greg not John that brought 3069 02:42:32.360 --> 02:42:40.799 us that missus huge doubles Cross there talked about Hasbro's 3070 02:42:41.239 --> 02:42:43.760 We talked about Hasbro signing with WCW maybe in ninety 3071 02:42:43.799 --> 02:42:47.559 one or ninety four or whatever when they left WWF. Yeah, 3072 02:42:47.920 --> 02:42:50.120 and someone made a good point like, Hasbro isn't about 3073 02:42:50.159 --> 02:42:52.159 the fucking steroid shit. You know they must have been like, 3074 02:42:52.239 --> 02:42:54.520 fuck this, Yeah, we don't want to make a tour 3075 02:42:54.920 --> 02:42:57.440 steroid monster, right, Ryan Rights, I would. 3076 02:42:57.200 --> 02:42:57.559 Have left it. 3077 02:42:57.719 --> 02:43:00.200 Ninety five ninety eight w CW was my favorite motion. 3078 02:43:00.319 --> 02:43:02.000 I think I get the idea Hasbro wanted to get 3079 02:43:02.000 --> 02:43:04.719 away from wrestling because of the steroids stuff. Yes, me too, Ryan, 3080 02:43:04.799 --> 02:43:07.559 But what about Evader Hasbro at ninety five? 3081 02:43:07.639 --> 02:43:09.520 What about but what about the what about? What about 3082 02:43:09.559 --> 02:43:12.559 the cash? All right? Listen, yes they may be avoid Listen, 3083 02:43:13.040 --> 02:43:17.440 you're you're you're treating toy companies as if morals outweigh 3084 02:43:18.000 --> 02:43:18.360 the dolls. 3085 02:43:18.479 --> 02:43:21.000 W W was hoovering up everything else. W WW had 3086 02:43:21.040 --> 02:43:23.760 they brought the slim GYM sponsorship over, like why not 3087 02:43:23.920 --> 02:43:24.799 just call Hasbro? 3088 02:43:25.000 --> 02:43:27.239 Man? I know, because they decided to do the fucking 3089 02:43:27.360 --> 02:43:30.280 LJM ripoffs and the Star which just were not good. 3090 02:43:30.440 --> 02:43:34.000 And can you imagine thinking yourself as a Hasbro kid, right, 3091 02:43:34.719 --> 02:43:36.520 and think of you being aware that Hogan goes to 3092 02:43:36.639 --> 02:43:38.920 WCW and to your point, thinking Hogan was more w 3093 02:43:39.000 --> 02:43:39.760 CW wrestler. 3094 02:43:40.280 --> 02:43:43.920 They came out with I Hasbros. I dreamed. Listen, when 3095 02:43:43.959 --> 02:43:48.000 I was a kid, I dreamed that I would eventually 3096 02:43:48.159 --> 02:43:52.000 have a Hasbro with Hogan with the bright you know, 3097 02:43:52.159 --> 02:43:58.440 almost me on yellow hulks your shirt. Like I dreamed 3098 02:43:58.479 --> 02:44:00.799 that that was going to happen, Like, oh my god, 3099 02:44:00.920 --> 02:44:02.520 Like this is going to be crazy. We're going to 3100 02:44:02.600 --> 02:44:05.200 get a whole new I said, there's no reason not to. 3101 02:44:05.399 --> 02:44:11.760 Like I really equated Hasbro with Hogan, And I said, 3102 02:44:11.799 --> 02:44:13.760 and especially when I realized that they weren't coming out 3103 02:44:13.799 --> 02:44:16.719 with anymore and they were like nowhere to be found 3104 02:44:16.760 --> 02:44:19.360 in the toy stores, it's like, well, maybe WW will 3105 02:44:19.360 --> 02:44:23.559 do the right thing. They didn't, but I hoped, yes, 3106 02:44:24.120 --> 02:44:26.879 I mean cause it's kind of funny they did. You know, 3107 02:44:27.079 --> 02:44:31.200 those the second wave of figures were kind of like 3108 02:44:31.319 --> 02:44:33.840 Hasbro's but they were still big and they were clunky 3109 02:44:33.920 --> 02:44:37.479 and stupid, you know, because they did have They didn't 3110 02:44:37.520 --> 02:44:40.319 come out with a second wave of those WCW figures 3111 02:44:40.319 --> 02:44:43.719 where they were harder plastic. They weren't the rubber and 3112 02:44:43.840 --> 02:44:49.079 they did do like moves and stuff like they oddly 3113 02:44:49.239 --> 02:44:53.319 did the Hasbros. But just they weren't good hasbros. You know, yeah, 3114 02:44:53.360 --> 02:44:54.840 they kind of took a stab at it. But I 3115 02:44:54.920 --> 02:44:57.680 invite you to consider a stunning Steve Austin Hasbro. I 3116 02:44:57.760 --> 02:44:59.280 would have gotten, oh listen, I would have had it, 3117 02:44:59.399 --> 02:45:06.600 no question in my pocket. Done, purchased, Thank you, Okay, 3118 02:45:06.639 --> 02:45:15.399 thank you, happy purchased, well put. I love it so much, Matthew, 3119 02:45:15.479 --> 02:45:17.239 thank you very much. Yeah, because I'm looking I'm looking 3120 02:45:17.239 --> 02:45:19.120 at them like, yeah, like the ninety six, I'm looking 3121 02:45:19.159 --> 02:45:22.479 at a Hogan one that was the hard plastic with 3122 02:45:22.680 --> 02:45:27.239 like movable things, was still very much like the idiotic 3123 02:45:28.440 --> 02:45:35.719 LJN ripoffs, but there was I don't know, like try 3124 02:45:35.799 --> 02:45:37.879 me press button, like there was a button out pressed. 3125 02:45:37.920 --> 02:45:40.920 Now I don't know what the fuck is going on here, 3126 02:45:41.639 --> 02:45:48.440 but you know, again, nice things we can't done purchased, 3127 02:45:48.719 --> 02:45:52.760 not a problem. Love it, Matthew Lenetis. Thank you very 3128 02:45:52.840 --> 02:45:54.479 much for that pledge. We appreciate it. Welcome in. 3129 02:45:54.959 --> 02:45:57.079 Craig writes, hull Kogi's is less than an hour from me, 3130 02:45:57.159 --> 02:45:59.879 and I just found out it existed, and I'm pretty 3131 02:45:59.879 --> 02:46:02.239 sure to create followed up with a next post that 3132 02:46:02.319 --> 02:46:06.000 we retweeted of the actress sign yeah his brother the 3133 02:46:06.079 --> 02:46:07.680 door in the window too. 3134 02:46:08.600 --> 02:46:08.799 Yeah. 3135 02:46:08.879 --> 02:46:11.440 Christopher writes, you know that idea of w W Hasbros's genius. 3136 02:46:11.479 --> 02:46:13.239 Can't believe ws W never did that or at least 3137 02:46:13.280 --> 02:46:18.000 copy the styling. Bree wrts. This is a great point, 3138 02:46:18.360 --> 02:46:20.440 you know when we go through the uh the Randy 3139 02:46:20.479 --> 02:46:23.200 Savage on Radio WWF Knock and Hull Cogan with Jim Ross. Yes, 3140 02:46:23.399 --> 02:46:25.399 we did that on the March to the Mains nine. 3141 02:46:27.000 --> 02:46:30.959 We forgot that we did it again. That's why Master 3142 02:46:31.079 --> 02:46:33.399 of the Phone came off as so fucking epic, because 3143 02:46:33.440 --> 02:46:34.040 I think that's. 3144 02:46:33.920 --> 02:46:38.639 Where it came from. That's fucking funny. In case you 3145 02:46:38.680 --> 02:46:40.399 don't know what it's like to have cast it. As 3146 02:46:40.440 --> 02:46:42.440 long as we've cast that's yeah right. 3147 02:46:44.520 --> 02:46:45.920 Jeff writes, I don't know about you guys, but I 3148 02:46:45.920 --> 02:46:48.479 always protect my brand by having sex with my friend's 3149 02:46:48.520 --> 02:46:55.879 wife and spewing racial epithets. Ryan Wright's hell co chairs 3150 02:46:55.959 --> 02:46:58.479 Love and Bash ninety four shows between discussions and parts 3151 02:46:58.520 --> 02:47:00.000 one and two plus reflecting a bit and what would 3152 02:47:00.000 --> 02:47:02.120 happened two years later at the same event. Sadly it 3153 02:47:02.159 --> 02:47:04.520 appears the Orlando Arena is gone, but Ocean Center is 3154 02:47:04.559 --> 02:47:06.920 still there from the ninety six event. Any future pilgrimage 3155 02:47:06.959 --> 02:47:12.520 plans at the Ocean Center? Hey, or have you guys 3156 02:47:12.559 --> 02:47:13.760 been either location in the past? 3157 02:47:13.799 --> 02:47:13.879 Now? 3158 02:47:13.959 --> 02:47:15.760 I have not been to the Ocean Center or the 3159 02:47:15.879 --> 02:47:18.680 Orlando Arena, No never. I did go to the Fort 3160 02:47:18.719 --> 02:47:20.719 hesserli Armory in Tampa one time, though, just to look 3161 02:47:20.760 --> 02:47:23.440 look at the window. Yeah, I've always just look in 3162 02:47:23.479 --> 02:47:26.680 the wind closly going on. And you don't hear me 3163 02:47:26.719 --> 02:47:28.559 tell the story where I got so close to the 3164 02:47:28.639 --> 02:47:30.479 glass so I could see inside, and then I realized 3165 02:47:30.479 --> 02:47:32.200 there was shit smeared on the glass right in front 3166 02:47:32.200 --> 02:47:32.600 of my face. 3167 02:47:32.799 --> 02:47:34.760 Oh my god, that's all horrible. 3168 02:47:36.639 --> 02:47:38.799 I've always thought of WCW getting the Hasbro deal too, 3169 02:47:38.879 --> 02:47:40.520 starting in ninety five. It would have been so much 3170 02:47:40.559 --> 02:47:44.799 better than the ostms. That's original San Francisco toymakers, right. 3171 02:47:45.159 --> 02:47:47.719 I think maybe Hasbro wanted out of wrestling altogether after 3172 02:47:47.760 --> 02:47:50.200 the steroids scandals. But today, with all the Hasbro style 3173 02:47:50.239 --> 02:47:53.399 figures being made by Mattell and boutique companies, ww Hasbro's 3174 02:47:53.440 --> 02:47:55.479 do now exist to some extent, and I really hope 3175 02:47:55.479 --> 02:47:57.559 many more come in the next few years. Does Boss 3176 02:47:57.600 --> 02:47:59.920 Man still collect the Mattel retros? Has he started up 3177 02:48:00.159 --> 02:48:02.319 with any of the ones from the Batique brands? Boss 3178 02:48:03.239 --> 02:48:08.680 the what, Yes, Yes, I I I have I do. 3179 02:48:09.520 --> 02:48:14.479 I I got the Kurt Fuller one at UH at 3180 02:48:14.559 --> 02:48:18.239 Comic Con last year in New York. I do want 3181 02:48:18.280 --> 02:48:20.040 a bunch of them. They are so cool. I just 3182 02:48:20.200 --> 02:48:25.040 you know, there's a part of me that's like a 3183 02:48:25.120 --> 02:48:27.399 part of me that's like the apartment. It's like, yeah, 3184 02:48:27.559 --> 02:48:31.159 fucking really. But then there's like, I don't know, know, 3185 02:48:31.319 --> 02:48:34.319 it's We're at that point, man, We've gotten all the 3186 02:48:35.000 --> 02:48:37.600 nostalgic charge we can get out of this stuff, you know, 3187 02:48:38.040 --> 02:48:38.879 cod COVID just. 3188 02:48:39.959 --> 02:48:42.680 Like like they did a fucking a whole bunch of 3189 02:48:44.920 --> 02:48:48.760 They did a whole bunch of uh like one of 3190 02:48:48.799 --> 02:48:52.200 the like they have some really cool Savage ones, And 3191 02:48:52.280 --> 02:48:54.719 I'm like, oh, man, Like it's like, because you know 3192 02:48:54.799 --> 02:48:57.280 the one thing that I I I am always bummed 3193 02:48:57.280 --> 02:49:01.040 about with with again this is this is this is 3194 02:49:01.319 --> 02:49:07.719 this is a unique thing being a ninety one WWE 3195 02:49:07.879 --> 02:49:12.399 fan like coming into matt Era because everyone for the 3196 02:49:12.479 --> 02:49:17.200 most part loves Randy Savage from the late eighties with 3197 02:49:18.079 --> 02:49:24.239 the robe, the headband, the regular wrestling trunks, right, I 3198 02:49:24.280 --> 02:49:29.159 don't like that. I like the fully clothed Savage from 3199 02:49:29.280 --> 02:49:32.799 nineteen ninety two. That's, you know, the Savage who was 3200 02:49:32.879 --> 02:49:35.280 wearing clothes because he was embarrassed about his lack of 3201 02:49:35.719 --> 02:49:41.559 steroid body. That to me is quintessential Randy Savage. And 3202 02:49:41.680 --> 02:49:45.760 the only Randy Savage they made at hasbro of Like 3203 02:49:45.879 --> 02:49:49.440 that is awful. Right, it's one of the pushdown ones. 3204 02:49:50.479 --> 02:49:52.840 You know, the hat on his head, You get the 3205 02:49:52.879 --> 02:49:57.239 hat on his head to get the make him looking right, 3206 02:49:57.399 --> 02:50:01.639 the fucking with you, I know. But now they've got people, 3207 02:50:01.639 --> 02:50:04.680 they've done some of those that look like that, like 3208 02:50:04.760 --> 02:50:08.360 they've got hold together. They got Savage. I shut up, 3209 02:50:08.760 --> 02:50:11.040 I mean you do, that's what you want? I know, 3210 02:50:11.920 --> 02:50:12.159 I do. 3211 02:50:12.399 --> 02:50:12.600 I know. 3212 02:50:13.280 --> 02:50:17.799 They get Savage in his WrestleMania eight attire, like it's 3213 02:50:18.879 --> 02:50:24.719 it's so great and they got one like hey, they 3214 02:50:25.040 --> 02:50:29.000 just just as amazing these retro figures. They do a 3215 02:50:29.040 --> 02:50:31.600 great job with them. Somebody say it like it's so 3216 02:50:31.760 --> 02:50:34.000 unfortunate that they do a great job with them, because 3217 02:50:34.040 --> 02:50:37.239 I can't just dismiss it, get right, because I want 3218 02:50:37.319 --> 02:50:41.280 it now. And it's like, come on, I can't forty yes, 3219 02:50:43.879 --> 02:50:47.200 except there have so many. I've seen the studio. I know, 3220 02:50:48.040 --> 02:50:51.520 I know it's a mess, and I love them and 3221 02:50:51.600 --> 02:50:57.360 I want more. Let's fucking go. You want to talk 3222 02:50:57.360 --> 02:51:01.200 about the sickness, No, that's it is. It's the sickness 3223 02:51:01.200 --> 02:51:03.920 of having this. Look. I'm going to send you. I'm 3224 02:51:03.920 --> 02:51:06.559 going to send you one here. Look this, this is 3225 02:51:07.200 --> 02:51:11.360 like this is what they they make now in these things, 3226 02:51:11.399 --> 02:51:16.840 and like they're just so great looking, you know, opening 3227 02:51:17.239 --> 02:51:22.239 Savage in his WrestleMania to go okay, oh fuck, it 3228 02:51:22.280 --> 02:51:28.520 looks incredible. Rights, it kind of does look like Steve 3229 02:51:28.559 --> 02:51:32.559 Williams about the head, though, man, I don't care. It's 3230 02:51:32.639 --> 02:51:34.959 it's the color of the and it's the fact that 3231 02:51:35.040 --> 02:51:40.159 it's you know, uh sleeves, the sleeves are tasseled and yeah, yeah, 3232 02:51:40.399 --> 02:51:42.360 it's all those things. And look at this other one, 3233 02:51:42.440 --> 02:51:44.719 like these two here, like they just they look so great, 3234 02:51:45.959 --> 02:51:49.600 they really are. And and so it just what position 3235 02:51:49.639 --> 02:51:51.920 does that put you in? Exactly? Like what are you 3236 02:51:51.959 --> 02:51:54.719 supposed to do with this? Holy shit? Here's here's another 3237 02:51:54.760 --> 02:51:57.239 one like this is like, this is this is the problem. 3238 02:51:58.239 --> 02:51:59.760 Hold on, I'm going to send you this one. Now, 3239 02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:04.479 this is the problem. He says, this is, this is, 3240 02:52:04.559 --> 02:52:07.639 this is the problem. These are the problems that that 3241 02:52:08.440 --> 02:52:13.600 you know, these people put on adults like me who 3242 02:52:13.959 --> 02:52:16.959 just you know, don't want to be an adult, right, 3243 02:52:17.879 --> 02:52:25.559 you know this is that was fucking perfect, perfect delivery. 3244 02:52:28.120 --> 02:52:31.200 This one, now, this is just fucking fantastic, Like this 3245 02:52:31.360 --> 02:52:35.079 is the uh, this is the Mall's version of Zoro, 3246 02:52:35.159 --> 02:52:37.399 of one that I remember reading a night Like that's 3247 02:52:37.440 --> 02:52:41.200 what he is, that fucking People magazine, the Mall's version 3248 02:52:41.280 --> 02:52:45.000 of Zora. I'll never forget that People magually not knowing 3249 02:52:45.040 --> 02:52:47.879 who Randy Savage is and calling him the Mall's version 3250 02:52:47.959 --> 02:52:57.719 of Zoro. Idiots, fucking morons, like he's got checkered floor 3251 02:52:57.799 --> 02:53:02.040 for an outfit. Yeah, Like, I just why are you 3252 02:53:02.239 --> 02:53:04.920 doing these things? Man? Why are you making them so great? 3253 02:53:08.000 --> 02:53:10.639 Just it's a curse. It's a curse. And the thing is, 3254 02:53:10.719 --> 02:53:12.879 you know, I'll tell you what, I definitely have an 3255 02:53:12.879 --> 02:53:15.920 easier time buying them if they didn't cost forty bucks. 3256 02:53:17.319 --> 02:53:19.799 I mean, I have to say, like one of the 3257 02:53:19.840 --> 02:53:22.600 best parts of the Unwrappiding every Christmas is when we 3258 02:53:22.680 --> 02:53:26.520 split the bounty at the end and see your face 3259 02:53:26.639 --> 02:53:29.040 be like, I'll take that one, like you know you 3260 02:53:29.159 --> 02:53:29.440 want it. 3261 02:53:30.840 --> 02:53:33.920 I don't care. I'll have it. I I'll have to 3262 02:53:34.000 --> 02:53:36.200 have that. Fine, fine, all right, I'll take that one. 3263 02:53:36.399 --> 02:53:40.799 Just fucking don't say anything about this. I just I 3264 02:53:40.959 --> 02:53:43.639 just kind of really want it. I just want it. 3265 02:53:43.639 --> 02:53:47.559 When I assess it, I want all Like listen, I 3266 02:53:47.680 --> 02:53:50.520 want them all. I know is that art like like 3267 02:53:50.959 --> 02:53:53.040 like they say, collect them all? Yeah, I want them all. 3268 02:53:53.440 --> 02:53:56.879 All right, I want them all. Where do we go 3269 02:53:56.959 --> 02:54:00.399 from here? But I can't. Right, they have they they 3270 02:54:00.479 --> 02:54:03.360 have a series of bulldog ones too, like they've got 3271 02:54:03.440 --> 02:54:05.280 they've got whoever, you know, I don't know all the 3272 02:54:05.280 --> 02:54:07.159 companies that do them, but they got so many different 3273 02:54:07.200 --> 02:54:11.319 companies that are making these these these you know, Mack Hasbros. 3274 02:54:12.000 --> 02:54:17.799 And there was one. They're there there they have they 3275 02:54:17.879 --> 02:54:21.639 have nineteen ninety four British bulldog, so with the the 3276 02:54:21.719 --> 02:54:27.280 biker shorts and the unbraided hair. You know they've got 3277 02:54:28.559 --> 02:54:32.000 they got a ninety five ninety six bulldog. I think 3278 02:54:32.000 --> 02:54:34.520 they got one with yeah, short hair, and I think 3279 02:54:34.559 --> 02:54:41.600 they got one with Diana. Okay, they've got one. They've 3280 02:54:41.639 --> 02:54:47.559 got a a ninety seven bulldogs with the Heart Foundation vastly. 3281 02:54:47.280 --> 02:54:50.760 Supposed to do with this man, right, like an emergency. 3282 02:54:54.879 --> 02:54:56.639 It's not just that they had they made one more 3283 02:54:56.680 --> 02:54:59.719 bulldog and I can get a different bulldog Hasbro we 3284 02:54:59.799 --> 02:55:01.959 had do they make six of them? And they're all money? 3285 02:55:02.079 --> 02:55:03.840 They made them all, they made them all all money. 3286 02:55:03.840 --> 02:55:10.319 They just they just yeah, because they're right, just fuck. 3287 02:55:11.399 --> 02:55:11.559 You know. 3288 02:55:13.239 --> 02:55:15.920 Do they ever make any Hogan offshoots? That would be 3289 02:55:16.120 --> 02:55:19.079 very complicated from licensing perspective, And I don't think Yeah. 3290 02:55:19.079 --> 02:55:22.200 I don't think they ever did, because it's uh yeah, 3291 02:55:22.600 --> 02:55:26.639 Marvel has something to say about that, right. Ryan also writes, also, 3292 02:55:26.719 --> 02:55:28.479 do you think Fins thought at one point Hogan would 3293 02:55:28.520 --> 02:55:30.280 be back in ninety four to the FED? I mean 3294 02:55:30.360 --> 02:55:33.000 they did keep selling his merchant the magazine pretty late 3295 02:55:33.040 --> 02:55:35.239 in the ninety three, plus he had Hasbro figure and 3296 02:55:35.280 --> 02:55:38.159 then Standard Line that year, plus the mail away for 3297 02:55:38.280 --> 02:55:40.840 Christmas ninety three. Anyway, thanks guys, and thank you for 3298 02:55:40.879 --> 02:55:44.000 whole comania. Well, I wouldn't be surprised. It's a great bulldog. 3299 02:55:44.520 --> 02:55:47.000 I wouldn't be surprised. I'm gonna show that the back 3300 02:55:47.000 --> 02:55:49.360 here too. Look at the back the back of our foundations. 3301 02:55:50.920 --> 02:55:54.559 That's perfect, absolutely perfect. I mean, what the we're looking 3302 02:55:54.559 --> 02:55:57.280 at the guy who won the European title. You know, 3303 02:55:57.319 --> 02:56:00.840 we're looking at the guy who, right, you know, who mattered, 3304 02:56:01.879 --> 02:56:05.959 and I gotta spend forty bucks to get it? Okay, 3305 02:56:06.120 --> 02:56:07.760 well there it goes right out the window. 3306 02:56:11.000 --> 02:56:13.360 So I mean, I can't. I can't there there there 3307 02:56:13.840 --> 02:56:18.120 there are certain things I can't, you know, explain to 3308 02:56:18.200 --> 02:56:18.559 my wife. 3309 02:56:19.200 --> 02:56:21.920 That's the real stressor of it all, exactly exactly what 3310 02:56:22.000 --> 02:56:24.600 it is, like I you can't explain it to yourself. 3311 02:56:24.600 --> 02:56:26.399 I mean you can, but it's still not good enough 3312 02:56:26.440 --> 02:56:29.280 for a reason. Right, And so I was like, where 3313 02:56:29.280 --> 02:56:31.120 did what is this thing? Where did you spend forty 3314 02:56:31.159 --> 02:56:31.600 bucks at this? 3315 02:56:32.440 --> 02:56:32.760 What is it? 3316 02:56:33.399 --> 02:56:33.639 You don't? 3317 02:56:34.000 --> 02:56:36.200 I'm gonna hold it and look at it. But but 3318 02:56:36.319 --> 02:56:39.120 you understand, like you know, my office, I just gotta 3319 02:56:39.280 --> 02:56:43.399 have a match with I gotta you know, I gotta 3320 02:56:43.399 --> 02:56:46.799 have a match with Sean Michaels. An emergency European you know, 3321 02:56:47.079 --> 02:56:52.159 European forty is an emergency. It is Listen, it's a 3322 02:56:52.360 --> 02:57:00.159 major problem, like a major problem. Like there, yeah, call 3323 02:57:00.200 --> 02:57:00.760 the authorities. 3324 02:57:01.040 --> 02:57:06.079 Okay, look, I think they would have run all that 3325 02:57:06.159 --> 02:57:08.840 stuff for Hogan's merch just to clear out inventory. Anyway, 3326 02:57:09.399 --> 02:57:13.079 that's he was with the company till like late August technically, 3327 02:57:13.520 --> 02:57:15.280 so there's that too. We just didn't see it in 3328 02:57:15.319 --> 02:57:18.159 the States. Yeah, I think Vince probably thought Hulk would 3329 02:57:18.159 --> 02:57:19.479 come back. I mean, one of the things we covered 3330 02:57:19.520 --> 02:57:21.799 during Bash of the Beach was Vince had matching rights 3331 02:57:21.840 --> 02:57:25.360 and there was conversations. It wasn't like Vince was like, fuck, 3332 02:57:25.399 --> 02:57:27.399 you go to sign whatever you want with ww I 3333 02:57:27.440 --> 02:57:28.760 don't want to hear about it. They were back and 3334 02:57:28.879 --> 02:57:33.760 forth until the end, and I just think that, you know, 3335 02:57:34.440 --> 02:57:37.280 the stuff in ninety three does indicate that that Vince 3336 02:57:37.360 --> 02:57:40.639 saw the future with them together. I just don't think 3337 02:57:40.680 --> 02:57:42.360 he thought it would take as long as it did. 3338 02:57:43.440 --> 02:57:45.280 Zach asks, can we get a Hulk HOGI shirt? 3339 02:57:45.319 --> 02:57:47.719 Please? I don't know if we'll get in trouble for 3340 02:57:47.760 --> 02:57:51.360 that one, but maybe it depends on how we Possibly 3341 02:57:51.680 --> 02:57:52.920 it's possible to do sis right. 3342 02:57:53.000 --> 02:57:54.920 That's how I experienced most of the Hogan era. I 3343 02:57:55.000 --> 02:57:57.840 started watching wrestling wrestling at WrestleMania seven. My brother reunted 3344 02:57:57.840 --> 02:57:59.799 the pay per view tapes from eighty five to ninety 3345 02:57:59.799 --> 02:58:01.600 and I caught up as best I could. That's why 3346 02:58:01.639 --> 02:58:03.399 I have a soft spot for the new generation, because 3347 02:58:03.399 --> 02:58:05.040 I'm like the Hogan era. I experience it week to 3348 02:58:05.079 --> 02:58:10.239 week as it happened. Yes, exactly, Vinces and Andrew writes, 3349 02:58:10.319 --> 02:58:13.319 he says competitive organization instead of competitor. I thought that 3350 02:58:13.399 --> 02:58:16.559 was a great catch, because to call it a competitor 3351 02:58:16.680 --> 02:58:18.399 is to put him on a pedestal of actually being 3352 02:58:18.440 --> 02:58:20.920 somebody that you know, competes for your business. But if 3353 02:58:20.959 --> 02:58:23.440 you call it a competitive organization, that makes it sound 3354 02:58:23.479 --> 02:58:25.440 like a group that wants to think of itself as 3355 02:58:25.520 --> 02:58:29.200 being competitive in nature, but doesn't quite rise to the 3356 02:58:29.280 --> 02:58:31.799 level of you calling it your competitor, which I think 3357 02:58:31.879 --> 02:58:34.440 is just That's as Vince McMahon as it gets the 3358 02:58:34.559 --> 02:58:36.959 difference between competitor and competitive organization. 3359 02:58:37.959 --> 02:58:42.360 The terminology is key, key, all right. 3360 02:58:43.120 --> 02:58:47.079 Daniel just thrilled by the latest edition of Wrestle Mammia 3361 02:58:47.120 --> 02:58:49.760 with Mama Sorrow and the Moat Tier on the Ultimate 3362 02:58:49.799 --> 02:58:51.840 Warrior Versus Knobs episode. 3363 02:58:53.280 --> 02:58:54.440 Yes, I don't know. 3364 02:58:54.639 --> 02:58:56.639 Yeah, I haven't listened to this one yet, but Daniel 3365 02:58:56.760 --> 02:58:59.520 says Mama Sorrow and her moral commentary on this one 3366 02:58:59.680 --> 02:59:01.760 was worse a five am start to the day. 3367 02:59:05.920 --> 02:59:09.000 Do you know what he's talking about? I listen, listen. 3368 02:59:09.159 --> 02:59:13.239 It wouldn't be a Wrestle Mammy without my mom's moral commentary. 3369 02:59:15.079 --> 02:59:19.319 But I I don't actually recall what specifically. 3370 02:59:18.799 --> 02:59:20.200 Oh man, this is. 3371 02:59:20.520 --> 02:59:26.479 That's tremendously that's just what awaits you, right yep, oh yeah, absolutely. 3372 02:59:26.200 --> 02:59:30.479 Under the the mote tier. It's it's really fucking amazing. 3373 02:59:30.479 --> 02:59:32.520 Anybody who got a taste of Mama Sorrow as part 3374 02:59:32.559 --> 02:59:35.000 of our a w O Lacard live calls, you know 3375 02:59:35.159 --> 02:59:37.600 what's going on. And that's the thing about Wrestle Mamia. Man, 3376 02:59:37.920 --> 02:59:40.840 there ain't nothing more consistent in the Labstand solar system 3377 02:59:41.079 --> 02:59:44.000 than that Monday Wrestle Mammia drop. Oh yes, you can 3378 02:59:44.079 --> 02:59:45.520 set your watch to it, boss. 3379 02:59:45.399 --> 02:59:50.000 You can. You can listen every Monday, every Monday. 3380 02:59:50.159 --> 02:59:51.000 This is you know. 3381 02:59:51.159 --> 02:59:54.040 This is why I have heard comments in the past 3382 02:59:54.120 --> 02:59:57.799 about about like wait when was this recorded? Well, you know, 3383 02:59:58.920 --> 03:00:00.959 we got a we got a record and batch, so 3384 03:00:01.120 --> 03:00:04.920 we are we are months and months and months ahead 3385 03:00:04.920 --> 03:00:06.600 of time. So I mean I can tell you right 3386 03:00:06.680 --> 03:00:11.319 now that there are shows loaded until the beginning of 3387 03:00:11.399 --> 03:00:11.840 next summer. 3388 03:00:14.280 --> 03:00:17.799 Okay, So that's how we roll. I think that pretty 3389 03:00:17.879 --> 03:00:22.360 much says it all. Joshua fairly said it all by 3390 03:00:22.399 --> 03:00:25.079 putting that VIP pledge on the table and joining us 3391 03:00:25.159 --> 03:00:27.520 on that corner of things. Andrew writes The beauty of 3392 03:00:27.600 --> 03:00:29.600 TLF as that they'll come across one small trait that 3393 03:00:29.680 --> 03:00:32.040 tells you everything. For Eric Bischoff, it's that he's a 3394 03:00:32.079 --> 03:00:39.280 man who loves to take meetings. For most of us, 3395 03:00:39.319 --> 03:00:41.239 of us, I think, you know, taking a meeting is 3396 03:00:42.600 --> 03:00:43.680 is a step towards a goal. 3397 03:00:44.280 --> 03:00:46.239 It's not the goal. But I think with Eric it's 3398 03:00:46.319 --> 03:00:48.079 probably the goal. It is the goal. 3399 03:00:48.520 --> 03:00:51.760 He just he just closes that surface after a zoom 3400 03:00:51.799 --> 03:00:53.959 meeting man, and he's like, oh, that's a honest day's. 3401 03:00:53.760 --> 03:00:58.760 Worker there, he's he is so fucking thrilled, so fucking 3402 03:00:58.879 --> 03:00:59.639 thrilled with a day. 3403 03:01:00.040 --> 03:01:01.799 Andrew continues, the peak of his life was when he 3404 03:01:01.840 --> 03:01:03.920 had a secretary. He could utter the phrase set up 3405 03:01:03.920 --> 03:01:06.559 a meeting with blank. Two, he set up a meeting 3406 03:01:06.600 --> 03:01:10.399 with Oh, he loves it, he loves it. Ah, I 3407 03:01:10.479 --> 03:01:11.040 want to vomit. 3408 03:01:11.079 --> 03:01:14.479 They're meeting takers. I mean they're fine. Yeah, yeah, Well, 3409 03:01:15.879 --> 03:01:17.760 brother Mike wants us to know that. 3410 03:01:17.799 --> 03:01:19.639 Regarding Jimmy Hart's value, we spend a bit of time 3411 03:01:19.639 --> 03:01:21.159 in the Bash of the Beach Show wondering why Hulk 3412 03:01:21.200 --> 03:01:24.760 Cochin tap Jimmy on the show. He says, Bruce Ritchard 3413 03:01:24.760 --> 03:01:26.680 has talked about Jimmy helping with things that weren't his 3414 03:01:26.799 --> 03:01:28.639 job title and being happy to do it. He did 3415 03:01:28.680 --> 03:01:31.159 many of the wrestler's themes with Jim Johnston agent's matches 3416 03:01:31.200 --> 03:01:33.000 despite that not being his responsibility. 3417 03:01:34.639 --> 03:01:38.559 That I know that I'm fine with. It's it's it's 3418 03:01:38.680 --> 03:01:43.079 actually having the ability to manage somebody's career and like 3419 03:01:43.239 --> 03:01:46.799 the day to day life that's different than anyways. He 3420 03:01:47.040 --> 03:01:49.440 maybe he goes into that. No, that's about the sum 3421 03:01:49.520 --> 03:01:49.600 of it. 3422 03:01:49.680 --> 03:01:52.440 He also said, you know, always being early before everybody else, 3423 03:01:52.520 --> 03:01:55.319 and I guess maybe you know, managing someone's career when 3424 03:01:55.319 --> 03:01:57.239 you're hul Coagan, all that really takes is making sure 3425 03:01:57.280 --> 03:01:59.479 he gets where's supposed to be on time, and people 3426 03:01:59.520 --> 03:02:01.159 he doesn't want to talk to or kept away from him. 3427 03:02:01.600 --> 03:02:02.879 And I bet Jimmy Hard can do that. 3428 03:02:03.479 --> 03:02:06.239 Yeah, yeah, I mean, but like in terms of yeah, 3429 03:02:06.319 --> 03:02:10.520 I it just it just seems like again, you know, 3430 03:02:10.639 --> 03:02:12.959 I know, I know that Jimmy Hart's got some credibility 3431 03:02:13.000 --> 03:02:14.600 in other places, and I know that he's worked on 3432 03:02:14.680 --> 03:02:16.319 he used to work on the theme songs and stuff 3433 03:02:16.360 --> 03:02:18.399 like that. But yeah, but to be able to like 3434 03:02:19.559 --> 03:02:24.719 basically be the go to person for somebody, you know, 3435 03:02:25.000 --> 03:02:29.000 like you know, the filter to me that that that 3436 03:02:30.200 --> 03:02:32.559 like I just needed. I want to know more about 3437 03:02:32.760 --> 03:02:36.280 like where where he learned that trade, where he became 3438 03:02:36.360 --> 03:02:39.479 respected or was well known enough to be like, yeah, 3439 03:02:39.520 --> 03:02:43.280 you know what, Jimmy Hart's the guy we need. So 3440 03:02:43.600 --> 03:02:45.440 in the same way, you know, like any of these guys, 3441 03:02:45.479 --> 03:02:47.360 it's not even just Jimmy Hard, any of these guys 3442 03:02:47.399 --> 03:02:50.920 Like where did that? Why? Why did that happen? Yeah? 3443 03:02:51.479 --> 03:02:53.959 Yeah, it's it's interesting to see Jimmy Hard on the 3444 03:02:54.040 --> 03:02:56.719 stage on the SmackDown tribute, you know, front and center, 3445 03:02:57.280 --> 03:02:59.159 dagging his eyes, crying his eyes out. I mean, this 3446 03:02:59.280 --> 03:03:03.200 guy made his whole thing about being Hulk Hogan's hype 3447 03:03:03.239 --> 03:03:06.120 man basically, and I don't know, maybe one day he 3448 03:03:06.200 --> 03:03:08.559 saw Hulk do something he shouldn't have been doing, and 3449 03:03:08.639 --> 03:03:11.200 Hulk's warmed his secrecy in exchange for a lifetime job. 3450 03:03:11.440 --> 03:03:13.200 That's the kind of thing that tends to happen. 3451 03:03:13.280 --> 03:03:14.840 Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that either. 3452 03:03:14.920 --> 03:03:19.200 Putting that potential on the table as well, Stephen writes, 3453 03:03:19.239 --> 03:03:21.520 you know, I imagine a major grip gripe that Hogan 3454 03:03:21.639 --> 03:03:24.680 sent Jimmy to Eric with was people standing behind him 3455 03:03:24.680 --> 03:03:25.840 and lingering for a second. 3456 03:03:26.719 --> 03:03:28.600 I've been here for a while, dude. One thing I've 3457 03:03:28.760 --> 03:03:30.959 really you know, and they don't do it this way 3458 03:03:31.000 --> 03:03:35.559 in New York. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, Listen, 3459 03:03:35.639 --> 03:03:38.760 I'm just saying, was a very very you know that 3460 03:03:39.079 --> 03:03:42.399 was heard a lot. That was heard a lot by 3461 03:03:42.600 --> 03:03:47.360 Eric Bischoff. Right, I'm just saying by Hulk Hogan, they 3462 03:03:47.360 --> 03:03:53.319 could have been his third book. Eric, Hulk's just saying again, brother, 3463 03:03:53.559 --> 03:03:56.639 you know, I'm just saying, dude, you know right, you do, brother, 3464 03:03:56.760 --> 03:03:59.040 you do you dude. I'm not trying to criticize. I'm 3465 03:03:59.040 --> 03:04:01.440 not trying to tell you what better, brother, But I'm 3466 03:04:01.520 --> 03:04:04.399 just saying, I'm just saying, dude, that in New York 3467 03:04:04.520 --> 03:04:05.239 they did it better. 3468 03:04:07.120 --> 03:04:40.719 Fan Wrestling podcast the wrestling podcast that knows the boys 3469 03:04:40.879 --> 03:05:16.639 need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's an Lapsed 3470 03:05:16.680 --> 03:05:21.159 fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and Jpro. 3471 03:05:21.879 --> 03:05:25.479 So, you know, if you want to say that, if 3472 03:05:25.520 --> 03:05:27.760 you want to ignore my suggestion, just know you're little 3473 03:05:27.840 --> 03:05:28.559 leaguing yourself. 3474 03:05:28.719 --> 03:05:30.920 Visa VI. The real wrestling in New York. That's basically, 3475 03:05:31.040 --> 03:05:33.520 I just don't want you to be a bitch, all right, 3476 03:05:33.520 --> 03:05:35.159 I don't want you to be perceived as a bitch. 3477 03:05:35.319 --> 03:05:38.040 Like you know, all those guys know they're going to say, 3478 03:05:38.040 --> 03:05:42.799 you know, what's up with that, Eric, he's a bitch. Oh, 3479 03:05:42.840 --> 03:05:45.920 they're gonna say that, Terry. Well, I'm trying nothing about that. 3480 03:05:46.399 --> 03:05:48.440 Oh I see, trying to prevent them from saying it. Okay, 3481 03:05:49.079 --> 03:05:51.639 all right, well I'll just say one to the head. 3482 03:05:51.760 --> 03:05:56.159 Appears you failed like a pile driver. Thank you very 3483 03:05:56.239 --> 03:05:58.479 much for that increase to the eptre Bez writes, the 3484 03:05:58.520 --> 03:06:00.600 co chairs don't just do impressions. They almost seemed to 3485 03:06:00.639 --> 03:06:02.840 become the person. I felt like I was really listening 3486 03:06:03.040 --> 03:06:07.600 to Ready Savage talking to Jim Ross. Well, you felt 3487 03:06:07.639 --> 03:06:09.280 like it was Ready Savage talking to somebody. I'm not 3488 03:06:09.280 --> 03:06:11.559 sure that jed our impression was there, Yeah, but we 3489 03:06:11.760 --> 03:06:13.799 appreciate that. That that's part of the magic. You're going 3490 03:06:13.879 --> 03:06:15.840 to see with your own two eyes. August third, a 3491 03:06:15.920 --> 03:06:18.280 comedy village in New York. It's damn right, You're damn 3492 03:06:18.399 --> 03:06:20.280 fucking right. It's one thing to hear it, friends, but 3493 03:06:20.479 --> 03:06:23.040 to see to see it. Pop visually. I think is 3494 03:06:23.120 --> 03:06:24.920 something that anyone who's come to one of our live 3495 03:06:24.959 --> 03:06:27.719 shows before Convouts for is being worth the price of 3496 03:06:27.760 --> 03:06:32.120 admission alone. Yeah, Steve says being a fan. Became a 3497 03:06:32.200 --> 03:06:34.440 fan in late two thousand and one. So I witnessed 3498 03:06:34.440 --> 03:06:37.799 the Attitude era initially completely through tape and DVD. So 3499 03:06:38.280 --> 03:06:39.520 I invite you to think about you know, we just 3500 03:06:39.520 --> 03:06:41.000 want to talk about how we became acquainted with the 3501 03:06:41.040 --> 03:06:44.719 eighties Hulkamania through tape. Yes, what about people who became 3502 03:06:44.799 --> 03:06:46.559 familiar with the Attitude era through tape? 3503 03:06:47.079 --> 03:06:52.319 Oh, I mean that's just that's that's painful. I mean 3504 03:06:52.360 --> 03:06:54.639 that's painful. I mean I just don't imagine how you 3505 03:06:54.680 --> 03:06:57.280 could do it. It's so much, so much more volume 3506 03:06:57.319 --> 03:06:59.879 of stuff. Yeah, like how do you weekly tell it? 3507 03:07:00.239 --> 03:07:03.239 It's insane weekly television. But also just the idea that 3508 03:07:03.360 --> 03:07:05.639 if you're watching, you know, I had to watch four 3509 03:07:05.719 --> 03:07:07.639 pay per views to get a whole w B year, 3510 03:07:07.680 --> 03:07:09.799 but you have to get twelve to fourteen depending on 3511 03:07:10.000 --> 03:07:14.239 UK shows. If that interest you, absolutely right. So that's 3512 03:07:14.440 --> 03:07:15.680 I don't know, man, that's rough. 3513 03:07:15.959 --> 03:07:19.040 That's a whole Yeah, that's a whole steeper hill than 3514 03:07:19.079 --> 03:07:20.479 we ever had to climb to get up to date. 3515 03:07:20.639 --> 03:07:21.440 That's for damn sure. 3516 03:07:21.680 --> 03:07:21.879 Yeah. 3517 03:07:22.000 --> 03:07:25.159 Steve also notes because of the progressing Illustrated article that 3518 03:07:25.239 --> 03:07:26.799 we read from on our Bash at the Beach ninety 3519 03:07:26.840 --> 03:07:28.600 four episode that had Hogan and Flair on the cover 3520 03:07:28.680 --> 03:07:30.959 and got all the buzz started. Yes, Bill Watts of 3521 03:07:31.000 --> 03:07:32.680 all people, was quoted in there about how big it 3522 03:07:32.680 --> 03:07:34.399 would be if Hulkan Rick could come together and do 3523 03:07:34.520 --> 03:07:37.399 a promotional vehicle together. And Steve makes a great point 3524 03:07:37.479 --> 03:07:39.639 in saying that Bill Watts is quoted about the Hogan jump, 3525 03:07:39.639 --> 03:07:41.360 as he spent a good twenty minutes of each mid 3526 03:07:41.399 --> 03:07:43.879 eighties episode of Mid South calling Hogan a poor actor 3527 03:07:43.920 --> 03:07:44.479 and a fraud. 3528 03:07:44.559 --> 03:07:44.799 Wow. 3529 03:07:45.719 --> 03:07:47.440 Oh yeah, he was going off on Hogan back then, 3530 03:07:48.520 --> 03:07:50.600 and it's funny, but that's the wrestling business. Hogan, who 3531 03:07:50.680 --> 03:07:54.399 face recently joined the mote tier, and we want to 3532 03:07:54.399 --> 03:07:57.200 thank him very much. Tony Gelder will see you. We'll 3533 03:07:57.200 --> 03:08:00.280 see you in fucking New York. Oh yeah, Tim, we'll 3534 03:08:00.319 --> 03:08:03.440 see you, he says, good afternoon, gentlemen. Submitted for your 3535 03:08:03.479 --> 03:08:05.959 approval is my receipt for a purchase of a ticket 3536 03:08:06.000 --> 03:08:07.959 to your show at Comedy Village. Because this is and 3537 03:08:08.040 --> 03:08:11.959 always continues to be not a fucking game. 3538 03:08:12.719 --> 03:08:13.159 Damn right. 3539 03:08:13.239 --> 03:08:14.760 He had missed out on the previous installments of t 3540 03:08:14.959 --> 03:08:18.360 F branded Comedic Prophetic Live Entertainment Experienced vehicles. But that 3541 03:08:18.559 --> 03:08:20.959 ends August third. You have been in my years and 3542 03:08:21.040 --> 03:08:22.959 up my ass through some of the most difficult years 3543 03:08:23.000 --> 03:08:24.360 of my life. And now it's time to do the 3544 03:08:24.440 --> 03:08:26.639 right thing, he writes, and take the ride down to 3545 03:08:26.719 --> 03:08:29.159 pay proper tribute at the Church of the Lapsed. So 3546 03:08:29.319 --> 03:08:31.159 shall it be written, So shall it be done? 3547 03:08:31.399 --> 03:08:33.559 You bay, there we go, and now we're talking some 3548 03:08:34.159 --> 03:08:36.600 sweet ten commandments there brother, thank you both for eleven 3549 03:08:36.680 --> 03:08:38.000 years of lapse to see you there. 3550 03:08:38.479 --> 03:08:42.239 We'll see you there. Very excited about this, very much 3551 03:08:42.760 --> 03:08:46.760 called four. Oh yes, James writes. My nominees for most 3552 03:08:46.760 --> 03:08:50.799 irrelevant ljnfigure? Yes, who did we pick? For those who 3553 03:08:50.879 --> 03:08:51.680 might not have caught it yet? 3554 03:08:52.280 --> 03:08:55.040 For LJN figure? Oh god, who it was? Somebody we 3555 03:08:55.120 --> 03:08:57.920 had outback jack win? Maybe I think outback Jack one. 3556 03:08:58.079 --> 03:09:02.719 Have you considered SD Jones? You know, the thing about st. 3557 03:09:02.840 --> 03:09:04.879 Jones is that he was at WRESTLINGIA one. Oh my god, 3558 03:09:05.239 --> 03:09:06.760 So do that qualify something? 3559 03:09:07.200 --> 03:09:07.360 You know? 3560 03:09:07.479 --> 03:09:10.520 That makes him a little bit different, But it's valid. 3561 03:09:10.680 --> 03:09:11.840 It's it's not a bad thing. 3562 03:09:12.399 --> 03:09:15.440 It reports St Jones even had a variation figure, which 3563 03:09:15.479 --> 03:09:17.639 I did not know. That's not okay, that's not okay 3564 03:09:17.719 --> 03:09:20.079 to do two different Yeah, what do you who's buying it? 3565 03:09:20.120 --> 03:09:22.399 What are you doing? Yeah? One one is enough with 3566 03:09:22.680 --> 03:09:25.079 SD okay? And what was our final verdict on the 3567 03:09:25.159 --> 03:09:28.520 most what the fuck? Has Bro's? Probably skinny? We it 3568 03:09:28.680 --> 03:09:33.079 was skinner it was it might have been Repo man. 3569 03:09:33.959 --> 03:09:36.799 Oh yeah, that one really hit me too. That they 3570 03:09:36.879 --> 03:09:39.319 came on someone else else is a good one. Someone 3571 03:09:39.399 --> 03:09:43.479 came with a new foundation Jim knightheart. Oh yeah, Actually, 3572 03:09:43.680 --> 03:09:44.600 you know, what are you doing? 3573 03:09:44.680 --> 03:09:47.120 Guys? You know weird? I mean, because yeah, you know 3574 03:09:47.239 --> 03:09:49.440 that's not that's not bad, because you know he was 3575 03:09:49.639 --> 03:09:51.840 new foundation for like what two months? It was old 3576 03:09:51.879 --> 03:09:54.360 foundation by the time it hit the shell exactly, it 3577 03:09:54.479 --> 03:09:57.040 really was. It was who gives a fuck foundation by 3578 03:09:57.079 --> 03:09:58.520 the time it hit the shelves. Let me tell you 3579 03:09:58.639 --> 03:10:00.520 I made that. I made my herd foundation. You even 3580 03:10:00.600 --> 03:10:04.360 drew on, did you? I drew I drew a black 3581 03:10:04.440 --> 03:10:07.239 tank top on him with a sharpie so that he 3582 03:10:07.280 --> 03:10:10.319 could look more like Brett, so I could have my 3583 03:10:10.360 --> 03:10:13.719 heart foundation. You needed heart foundation? Yeah, yeah, that was 3584 03:10:13.719 --> 03:10:16.120 the exciting part about having Jim Nightheart. I never found 3585 03:10:16.159 --> 03:10:18.559 O one hard until you know, much later in life. 3586 03:10:18.879 --> 03:10:21.079 What a travesty that there wasn't a Brett Hasbro till 3587 03:10:21.120 --> 03:10:23.719 as late as there was. I know, what are they thinking? 3588 03:10:23.799 --> 03:10:26.360 Why wasn't there a Brette Hasbro in ninety one? I 3589 03:10:26.879 --> 03:10:31.000 don't know, that's really strange to me. It's ridiculous, honestly, 3590 03:10:31.120 --> 03:10:35.280 Like he that seems like a like a like just 3591 03:10:35.360 --> 03:10:38.000 an easy and easy, an easy one. You know, I 3592 03:10:38.040 --> 03:10:38.520 don't know why. 3593 03:10:39.000 --> 03:10:40.120 I mean, I guess I know if I think hard 3594 03:10:40.159 --> 03:10:41.959 enough about the calendar as far as when they were together, 3595 03:10:42.040 --> 03:10:46.040 but maybe not. Why would there be Rockers demolition with Crush? 3596 03:10:46.719 --> 03:10:48.719 Why would there be a Legion of Doom? Why would 3597 03:10:48.719 --> 03:10:50.520 there be all these Hasbro tag teams and not a 3598 03:10:50.559 --> 03:10:51.360 Heart Foundation one? 3599 03:10:51.959 --> 03:10:54.840 Yeah, I mean they didn't start doing it. I guess 3600 03:10:54.879 --> 03:10:57.440 it's interesting too, you know when when the when the 3601 03:10:57.479 --> 03:11:00.680 Hasbro's first came out in nineteen ninety, you know, it's 3602 03:11:00.719 --> 03:11:04.479 funny that they had demolition they did that they beat 3603 03:11:04.639 --> 03:11:07.319 basically at SummerSlam, I know, so they didn't have the 3604 03:11:07.559 --> 03:11:10.040 they didn't have the Crush one yet TI ninety one 3605 03:11:10.200 --> 03:11:12.559 that's true. In nineteen ninety, it was it was just 3606 03:11:12.600 --> 03:11:14.680 acts and smashing the single like. They didn't have a 3607 03:11:14.719 --> 03:11:17.479 tag team set. It was just the single figures. 3608 03:11:17.520 --> 03:11:19.799 But still, oh really, let's make a rhythm and blues 3609 03:11:19.840 --> 03:11:23.319 tag team. Even though the hammered Valentine figure never hit 3610 03:11:23.360 --> 03:11:25.239 the shelves before, we make a hard foundation. 3611 03:11:25.959 --> 03:11:28.360 It's very it's strange, it's so. 3612 03:11:28.520 --> 03:11:32.639 Strange, unacceptable, Chuck writes, listening to each of the a 3613 03:11:32.719 --> 03:11:34.319 la carte in order. I think it was towards the 3614 03:11:34.440 --> 03:11:36.959 end of Tony Mercedes I realized that this match, being 3615 03:11:37.000 --> 03:11:39.120 the greatest live call of all time was inevitable, and 3616 03:11:39.159 --> 03:11:42.040 anticipation only grew from there. Somehow it still exceeded all 3617 03:11:42.120 --> 03:11:46.360 my expectations all time classic. Yeah, it was once that 3618 03:11:46.440 --> 03:11:47.760 one was over, I'm like, all right, this was a 3619 03:11:47.799 --> 03:11:51.559 good idea, especially when Tony berries her face and Sasha's 3620 03:11:51.600 --> 03:11:52.719 crotch and your mom has. 3621 03:11:52.639 --> 03:11:55.879 To react to that. Oh yes, listen, there there are 3622 03:11:55.959 --> 03:11:57.719 some beautiful, beautiful, beautiful things. 3623 03:11:58.200 --> 03:12:01.399 How about the Dominio's points. I wasn't expecting the majority 3624 03:12:01.399 --> 03:12:03.040 of this call to be Mama Sorrow calling out the 3625 03:12:03.120 --> 03:12:06.559 legality and values of America. Then JP saying quote because 3626 03:12:06.600 --> 03:12:08.719 they signed a contract and it was notarized. That's why 3627 03:12:08.760 --> 03:12:13.239 how this is okay. Of course, referring to Adam Page 3628 03:12:13.559 --> 03:12:15.760 getting stabbing John Moxley in the head. 3629 03:12:15.600 --> 03:12:19.719 Of the foot because it's not her eyes, it's fucking 3630 03:12:21.440 --> 03:12:26.520 I do get such great pleasure in just trying to 3631 03:12:27.280 --> 03:12:32.360 just talk about legalities in regards to wrestling, that they 3632 03:12:32.479 --> 03:12:35.040 signed away their rights because when they decided to do 3633 03:12:35.120 --> 03:12:37.319 this match, and therefore that's why everything they do is legal. 3634 03:12:37.680 --> 03:12:39.920 That's why you can't call the police and you. 3635 03:12:39.959 --> 03:12:42.479 Talk to her as if, like everyone else in society 3636 03:12:42.600 --> 03:12:45.280 understands this about the nature of contractual law and combats. 3637 03:12:45.319 --> 03:12:46.559 Why don't you mom right? 3638 03:12:47.600 --> 03:12:49.440 Sorry, if we've got to go through CIVIX one on one, 3639 03:12:49.479 --> 03:12:52.239 I guess we'll do it. Julian Wilson, thank you for 3640 03:12:52.319 --> 03:12:54.479 joining the EPTRE. We appreciate the cake. Matt Anderson, we 3641 03:12:54.520 --> 03:12:56.520 appreciate you son. Frank Kirshner, thank. 3642 03:12:56.440 --> 03:12:59.479 You so much. What about Adam Baum did he not 3643 03:12:59.600 --> 03:13:01.440 have a He did? He had a hasbro. 3644 03:13:01.719 --> 03:13:04.360 You know what, he was a big enough, colorful enough, 3645 03:13:04.959 --> 03:13:06.840 he had a push. He wasn't like a permanent job 3646 03:13:07.000 --> 03:13:09.399 or like Skinner and repel Man. Yeah, I think that's 3647 03:13:09.440 --> 03:13:11.120 what's so weird about it is these aren't guys that 3648 03:13:11.200 --> 03:13:14.520 had winning streaks, These guys that really you would watch 3649 03:13:14.639 --> 03:13:16.760 WWF television and get excited about what they were going 3650 03:13:16.840 --> 03:13:17.280 to do next. 3651 03:13:17.760 --> 03:13:17.959 Yeah. 3652 03:13:19.079 --> 03:13:21.559 Yeah, So I don't get with all the options they 3653 03:13:21.600 --> 03:13:24.000 had while they picked certain guys that that's all I'm saying. 3654 03:13:25.719 --> 03:13:26.639 Listen, I agree. 3655 03:13:26.719 --> 03:13:28.079 I mean, what do you how about we make a 3656 03:13:28.120 --> 03:13:30.799 Skinner toy before Brett Hart toy for instance, or a. 3657 03:13:30.799 --> 03:13:36.000 Berserker right, great one Berserker one? And also, you know, listen, 3658 03:13:36.079 --> 03:13:39.280 I think, why didn't Tito have one years before? Why 3659 03:13:40.079 --> 03:13:43.600 to El Matador? Yeah, why isn't there a strike Force one? Yeah? 3660 03:13:43.639 --> 03:13:45.040 I bet if we looked at it hard enough, there's 3661 03:13:45.040 --> 03:13:47.920 probably a two month period where they decided on most 3662 03:13:48.000 --> 03:13:49.959 of the line and who was on TV, and that 3663 03:13:50.000 --> 03:13:51.760 two month period is who got figures. And it's just 3664 03:13:51.840 --> 03:13:55.000 totally arbitrary. It doesn't stretch as far left to right. 3665 03:13:55.079 --> 03:13:57.120 But I guess I guess what makes like the ones 3666 03:13:57.239 --> 03:14:01.159 like Skinner and what and repel Man is that you know, 3667 03:14:01.440 --> 03:14:05.200 you think if Skinner's run really is from fall of 3668 03:14:05.319 --> 03:14:09.079 ninety one up until WrestleMania with a little fucking couple 3669 03:14:09.120 --> 03:14:11.879 of things here and there. The same thing with Repo Man, 3670 03:14:12.000 --> 03:14:14.040 like well repe Man at least I guess went to SummerSlam. 3671 03:14:14.440 --> 03:14:19.559 But like these figures came out like in ninety three. 3672 03:14:21.000 --> 03:14:24.440 That's what makes it even weirder is that they may 3673 03:14:24.520 --> 03:14:25.879 I mean, I know it probably took a little bit 3674 03:14:25.920 --> 03:14:29.959 longer to make sure to make the figures, but like 3675 03:14:30.600 --> 03:14:34.479 the they came out. I'm going to get the exact 3676 03:14:34.559 --> 03:14:39.639 dates here because I need to know now. It just 3677 03:14:39.799 --> 03:14:42.000 it's just wacky to me that that that that they 3678 03:14:42.079 --> 03:14:47.840 came out so late. They got the oh yeah, hear 3679 03:14:47.879 --> 03:14:52.440 this so serious? This is serious. Series I don't know 3680 03:14:52.479 --> 03:14:58.879 when Series three came out, but not so series Series five. 3681 03:15:00.159 --> 03:15:03.239 Series five is Skinner now that came out in ninety three, 3682 03:15:03.479 --> 03:15:06.520 maybe even ninety four, ninety three. I'm gonna say, like 3683 03:15:06.639 --> 03:15:09.760 late ninety three, that had Virgil the war I mean, 3684 03:15:09.799 --> 03:15:14.879 these guys are gone. Virgil the Warlord, the MOUNDI Irwin 3685 03:15:16.079 --> 03:15:19.319 the Model, Rick Martel had one, don't forget it, had 3686 03:15:19.440 --> 03:15:23.760 one well after he was gone. Yeah, that's just what 3687 03:15:23.840 --> 03:15:25.559 the weird thing is. The you know, the flare one 3688 03:15:25.680 --> 03:15:26.760 was well after he was gone. 3689 03:15:27.600 --> 03:15:31.559 Bizarre, very bizarre. They must have been they must have 3690 03:15:31.600 --> 03:15:33.760 been deeply frustrated at Hasbro. They get this figure on 3691 03:15:33.840 --> 03:15:34.959 the shelves so that they think is going to sell 3692 03:15:34.959 --> 03:15:37.239 and the guy's gout of the company. Yep, even if 3693 03:15:37.239 --> 03:15:42.280 it's a main event. Guy, you think you're safe there? Well, yeah, 3694 03:15:42.319 --> 03:15:44.760 the mysteries of the Hasbro world. Indeed, now you asked 3695 03:15:45.319 --> 03:15:47.680 one point, like you got to split the gum out. 3696 03:15:47.719 --> 03:15:49.559 If you're wrestling, you can't put chewing gum. It makes 3697 03:15:49.600 --> 03:15:52.159 it too fake. Remember when what we're talking about that? Yes, yes, 3698 03:15:52.360 --> 03:15:54.079 Well the homie Scott Michael had a good point. He said, 3699 03:15:54.079 --> 03:15:55.719 The one thing I'll say in defensive gum chewing is 3700 03:15:55.760 --> 03:15:57.120 that it has been a game changer for me and 3701 03:15:57.200 --> 03:16:01.319 my asthma lungs. If I'm doing card or an intense workout, 3702 03:16:01.440 --> 03:16:03.520 my throat dries up quickly by breathing is ass and 3703 03:16:03.559 --> 03:16:06.079 then I start coughing. Chewing gum helps me to keep 3704 03:16:06.120 --> 03:16:08.600 the saliva going and almost keeps makes me feel like 3705 03:16:08.639 --> 03:16:09.680 I can breathe normally. 3706 03:16:10.559 --> 03:16:13.319 Listen. That I totally get. But I'm talking about being 3707 03:16:13.360 --> 03:16:16.360 in a fight. Oh yeah, yeah, well he says, you're 3708 03:16:16.360 --> 03:16:19.319 in a fight, are you chewing gum? Yeah? 3709 03:16:20.200 --> 03:16:22.559 Probably not, even if you're afraid you're going to gag. 3710 03:16:22.639 --> 03:16:25.600 But the thing is the mouthpiece, like you can't. That's 3711 03:16:25.639 --> 03:16:27.479 the thing about I'm thinking to fight sports. Of course, 3712 03:16:27.520 --> 03:16:30.920 something in a boxing running right, he says. You know, now, 3713 03:16:30.959 --> 03:16:31.959 I mean, if I was in a real fight, I 3714 03:16:32.000 --> 03:16:33.719 probably wouldn't be chewing in case I get knocked out 3715 03:16:33.719 --> 03:16:35.360 and ended up choking on that shit. But none of 3716 03:16:35.399 --> 03:16:36.559 these dudes are in real fights. 3717 03:16:36.639 --> 03:16:38.719 Yes, that is I mean, it is true, but that's 3718 03:16:38.719 --> 03:16:40.360 the whole point that they're supposed to be pretend that 3719 03:16:40.440 --> 03:16:41.280 they're in real fights. 3720 03:16:41.600 --> 03:16:44.879 But I will tend differently in the future at wrestlers 3721 03:16:44.959 --> 03:16:48.120 chewing gum if it does indeed help, you know, prevent 3722 03:16:48.200 --> 03:16:50.879 gagging and stuff. Because I remember there was one UFC fighter, 3723 03:16:50.959 --> 03:16:52.559 I think he never made it anywhere, but he was 3724 03:16:52.600 --> 03:16:55.360 on he was on one of the old fighter reality shows, 3725 03:16:55.360 --> 03:16:57.239 and the guy could not keep the mouthpiece in. He 3726 03:16:57.559 --> 03:16:59.319 just gagged every time he had the mouthpiece. He was 3727 03:17:00.600 --> 03:17:02.680 it was a huge issue because my mouthpiece falls out. 3728 03:17:02.719 --> 03:17:04.319 The referees kind of obliged to stop the fight and 3729 03:17:04.360 --> 03:17:06.280 put it back in. That's supposed to, you know, not 3730 03:17:06.360 --> 03:17:08.879 only help protect you against knockouts and keep your jaw flex, 3731 03:17:08.959 --> 03:17:10.680 but you know, you lose all your fucking teeth and 3732 03:17:10.719 --> 03:17:12.799 two fights you don't have that thing in your in 3733 03:17:12.879 --> 03:17:15.760 your mouth. It was like it was a disaster. They 3734 03:17:15.760 --> 03:17:17.479 had to like stop the fight like a hundred times, 3735 03:17:17.520 --> 03:17:19.000 and it was like, how do we know he's not 3736 03:17:19.040 --> 03:17:22.399 doing it on purpose? You know, it's crazy. So that's 3737 03:17:23.399 --> 03:17:24.920 there are wrestlers out there who would get you know, 3738 03:17:25.000 --> 03:17:27.239 that dry mouth or have trouble breathing, even though it 3739 03:17:27.280 --> 03:17:30.799 does make it look fake. I guess it's it's either 3740 03:17:30.840 --> 03:17:32.639 true gum or don't make a living as a pro wrestler. 3741 03:17:32.639 --> 03:17:33.879 I guess yeah, I guess it. 3742 03:17:35.040 --> 03:17:37.799 So the homie butt stuff and Heen and I think 3743 03:17:37.840 --> 03:17:39.479 they should bring in a wrestler to be l A 3744 03:17:39.559 --> 03:17:45.239 Knight's stag partner and call him La Day. You could 3745 03:17:45.280 --> 03:17:50.159 call the team the La Times. Oh, that's definitely a team. 3746 03:17:50.239 --> 03:17:53.600 Jack Coil get into thank you. He also things I 3747 03:17:53.600 --> 03:17:55.680 think jelly Rolls whole marketing employee is I've been through 3748 03:17:55.719 --> 03:17:57.799 some tough times and I have tattoos to show for it. 3749 03:18:00.680 --> 03:18:02.879 He says, if you're a covering metha crack cocaine addict 3750 03:18:02.920 --> 03:18:04.920 and you've done some jail time, Jelly Roll is your guy, 3751 03:18:07.159 --> 03:18:08.920 especially if you want to come out and like, you know, 3752 03:18:09.920 --> 03:18:11.719 if you want to come out and just like stop 3753 03:18:11.799 --> 03:18:15.639 other people from get becoming addicts, you know, like save people, 3754 03:18:15.799 --> 03:18:16.000 you know. 3755 03:18:16.520 --> 03:18:19.479 If that's great, just stay out of the wrestling ring. 3756 03:18:19.600 --> 03:18:22.040 Oh my god, you're ready for any ready for him 3757 03:18:22.079 --> 03:18:24.360 at to wrestle at Summerslim. You know about this, right, No, 3758 03:18:24.840 --> 03:18:26.680 he's been doing angles with Logan, Paul and smack Down 3759 03:18:26.680 --> 03:18:30.159 every week. He's been throwing four arms, he's been getting physical. No, 3760 03:18:31.360 --> 03:18:34.520 he's been doing he's doing the Tennessee twang on the promos. 3761 03:18:35.120 --> 03:18:38.200 I don't know about you, Logan. I think you're a 3762 03:18:38.280 --> 03:18:42.520 bitch Loogan. Oh man, just why why is he doing this? 3763 03:18:42.719 --> 03:18:47.319 And like or loves being associated with a real celebrity 3764 03:18:47.360 --> 03:18:50.760 you know, of course he does. And I don't know 3765 03:18:50.799 --> 03:18:51.959 if this will change by the time we get to 3766 03:18:52.000 --> 03:18:55.040 a live call. But they put McIntyre in as as 3767 03:18:55.280 --> 03:18:58.799 Paul's partner for the match, and then McIntyre goes home 3768 03:18:58.920 --> 03:19:02.120 to England or the UK for a wedding and due 3769 03:19:02.120 --> 03:19:03.840 to passport issues, he's stuck in the country and he 3770 03:19:03.879 --> 03:19:05.159 probably can't make it to Summer Slam. 3771 03:19:05.879 --> 03:19:08.319 That I did, I did see that one. I did 3772 03:19:08.399 --> 03:19:08.680 see that. 3773 03:19:09.559 --> 03:19:12.840 That's modern wrestling, man, What the fuck? There's always some 3774 03:19:13.000 --> 03:19:16.360 stupid bullshit. If someone getting hurt doing a totally basic move, 3775 03:19:16.559 --> 03:19:20.360 you know, some like arbitrary reason that, like something that 3776 03:19:20.479 --> 03:19:24.040 you're you're built up to look forward to, totally doesn't happen. 3777 03:19:24.159 --> 03:19:27.079 It's so ridiculous. Wait, why are you letting the guys 3778 03:19:27.120 --> 03:19:30.680 go to weddings? It's a good question. Why are you 3779 03:19:30.760 --> 03:19:32.319 doing that? I thought I'd go to a wedding the 3780 03:19:32.360 --> 03:19:36.639 week before sommer slab. All right, well maybe it was 3781 03:19:36.680 --> 03:19:38.200 as good pal I'm sure as Bal was happy he 3782 03:19:38.280 --> 03:19:42.000 was there. Yeah, but now the fans what are what 3783 03:19:42.079 --> 03:19:42.479 the fans? 3784 03:19:42.520 --> 03:19:42.719 I know? 3785 03:19:43.040 --> 03:19:46.520 Now we're not gonna get who on the live call, 3786 03:19:47.280 --> 03:19:50.639 which is definitely a loss for everybody. Brent Ericson, thank 3787 03:19:50.680 --> 03:19:52.159 you very much for bumping up to the moat tier. 3788 03:19:52.200 --> 03:19:54.159 That's a big veiny move of you, and we noticed it. 3789 03:19:54.239 --> 03:19:56.639 James Cordy, thanks you very much for your support on 3790 03:19:56.680 --> 03:19:58.799 patreon dot com slash the lapsed fans. Same to you, 3791 03:19:58.920 --> 03:20:02.120 Caleb him and Chris Erba, thank you very much for 3792 03:20:02.319 --> 03:20:06.079 your respective pledges. Kevin writes most WTFLJN. He submits out 3793 03:20:06.120 --> 03:20:08.879 back Jack at LJN he proudly owns. So there's a 3794 03:20:08.959 --> 03:20:12.399 vote for that. Adam writes modern day ted arcity looks 3795 03:20:12.440 --> 03:20:14.000 like he knows too much about the dark Web. 3796 03:20:18.399 --> 03:20:20.520 Yeah, I can see that. Zach wants to know. You 3797 03:20:20.600 --> 03:20:34.399 know who else changed the locks? Barry Oberwitzah. Zach also writes. 3798 03:20:35.799 --> 03:20:38.840 He's the one who's wtf Hasbro's high energy Jim in 3799 03:20:38.840 --> 03:20:42.319 the anvil? So that's where that came from. Okay, so 3800 03:20:42.399 --> 03:20:44.239 put them one in the category there. And he also 3801 03:20:44.280 --> 03:20:47.280 says Dan Spivey would be walking and in the middle 3802 03:20:47.319 --> 03:20:50.079 of his walk it starts pouring rain. He doesn't change 3803 03:20:50.079 --> 03:20:52.479 his gait or pace in the slightest, just a tiny 3804 03:20:52.600 --> 03:20:57.639 smile forms on his face. Yes, he says, Spivey talking 3805 03:20:57.760 --> 03:20:59.719 like he just discovered the concept of free will. And 3806 03:20:59.799 --> 03:21:04.200 a BWF magazine interview is pretty outstanding. That's available to 3807 03:21:04.280 --> 03:21:06.040 you as part of the Colosseum collection Best of the 3808 03:21:06.159 --> 03:21:09.120 Wwfelony Mate and the Short Lived Attempt to Make Dan 3809 03:21:09.200 --> 03:21:14.079 Spivey Well, Dan Hogan and Jeff wonders, is that blonde 3810 03:21:14.120 --> 03:21:18.719 Dan Spivey or Martin short playing Jackie Rogers Junior? Is 3811 03:21:18.760 --> 03:21:26.600 that Wayla Mercy? Or is it Walton Goggins. I mean, 3812 03:21:26.639 --> 03:21:30.680 which is a great point, Joe writes co chairs listening 3813 03:21:30.680 --> 03:21:32.559 to the new Colosseum collection when talking about if Dan 3814 03:21:32.600 --> 03:21:35.040 Spivey became Dan Hogan. As I was painting my garage 3815 03:21:35.040 --> 03:21:38.159 and I almost fell off a ladder because I have 3816 03:21:38.239 --> 03:21:41.079 an uncle with that name and who, despite giving me 3817 03:21:41.120 --> 03:21:42.719 ship for the last thirty three years about my love 3818 03:21:42.760 --> 03:21:45.159 of scripted athletics, bought me my first galubes in nineteen 3819 03:21:45.239 --> 03:21:48.520 nins right, shout out to uncle jo uncle Dan. 3820 03:21:48.520 --> 03:21:52.239 Hogan, Dan Hogan, that would have been the name. That 3821 03:21:52.239 --> 03:21:54.079 would have been the name for Spivey, kind of like 3822 03:21:54.399 --> 03:21:59.840 Evad Sullivan. You know, I know, I'll like to introduce 3823 03:21:59.879 --> 03:22:06.159 you brother to my uncle Dan Hogan. Dude, what did 3824 03:22:06.200 --> 03:22:08.040 he have a nephew? Nephew Horace Hogan? 3825 03:22:08.159 --> 03:22:14.879 And yeah, oh man, just fucking we talked about We 3826 03:22:14.959 --> 03:22:17.040 talked about Rusty Brooks for the one and only time 3827 03:22:17.079 --> 03:22:19.559 because he's in a coliseum wrestling Hulk Hogan in a 3828 03:22:19.920 --> 03:22:22.760 ten second TV match before Randy Savage jumps Hulk, and 3829 03:22:23.399 --> 03:22:26.040 Greg writes two things about Rusty Brooks. One, the WWF 3830 03:22:26.040 --> 03:22:28.159 often booked him on Florida shows because he provided or 3831 03:22:28.200 --> 03:22:29.399 rented out the ring to them. 3832 03:22:29.479 --> 03:22:31.000 I didn't know that. That's interesting. Wow. 3833 03:22:31.319 --> 03:22:33.479 And he also portrayed a Mario character in i w 3834 03:22:33.680 --> 03:22:37.600 CCW called super Duper Mario. Oh no, and that those 3835 03:22:37.639 --> 03:22:39.760 are some unfortunate YouTube videos if you can find them, 3836 03:22:39.840 --> 03:22:43.079 let me tell you that. Oh the ladies and gentlemen. 3837 03:22:43.159 --> 03:22:47.920 Rusty Brooks, Okay, we've definitely checked that box Rus Brooks. 3838 03:22:48.040 --> 03:22:50.879 Rustin is exactly washer wonders. Has there ever been a 3839 03:22:50.920 --> 03:22:53.479 more different contract two gimmicks in the same body as 3840 03:22:53.520 --> 03:22:57.319 laps dance bivey and lapsed Whale and Mercy Aby lapsed 3841 03:22:57.360 --> 03:22:59.319 dolely and lapsed Doly. 3842 03:23:00.200 --> 03:23:04.280 That's that's that is definitely true. So that's definitely true. 3843 03:23:05.200 --> 03:23:07.000 But you know who isn't kind of two faced and 3844 03:23:07.920 --> 03:23:10.920 who comes off consistently in just exactly one way every 3845 03:23:10.959 --> 03:23:12.600 single time, no matter what you say to him? 3846 03:23:13.000 --> 03:23:15.719 Who Zach brought it to us? 3847 03:23:17.159 --> 03:23:22.879 This is w w E Hall of Famer Tito Santana 3848 03:23:24.079 --> 03:23:28.799 giving a shout out to Jack as me by Zach. 3849 03:23:30.079 --> 03:23:34.680 So you're right back in the nineties the body Jesse 3850 03:23:34.879 --> 03:23:40.479 Ventura used to say, I used to sell tacos in Tijuana. Well, 3851 03:23:41.239 --> 03:23:44.840 Jesse was a great commentator and a great wrestler who 3852 03:23:44.920 --> 03:23:49.520 did say that? Plus a bunch of other stuff, But no, Jack, 3853 03:23:49.719 --> 03:23:51.280 I was born in Mission, Texas. 3854 03:23:52.440 --> 03:23:55.559 I was a migrant. I worked in the fields. I 3855 03:23:55.680 --> 03:23:58.399 wish I was a good cook. I wish I could 3856 03:23:58.479 --> 03:24:01.360 cook in Schilada's like my mom, But I can't. 3857 03:24:02.920 --> 03:24:07.079 My mom, Mexican mom, wouldn't let the boys do anything 3858 03:24:07.159 --> 03:24:10.479 in the kitchen. She did everything for us. 3859 03:24:11.040 --> 03:24:12.239 May she rest in peace. 3860 03:24:13.520 --> 03:24:19.479 So you're right, Jesse, the body which ends up to 3861 03:24:19.559 --> 03:24:21.040 be a really good friend of mine. 3862 03:24:21.879 --> 03:24:24.520 I hope I answered your question, Jack, I. 3863 03:24:26.200 --> 03:24:28.040 Can only what I like to do is like reverse 3864 03:24:28.079 --> 03:24:30.159 engineer what the questions were, because I see the answers 3865 03:24:30.159 --> 03:24:32.639 before I see the questions. Yes, and he must have 3866 03:24:32.719 --> 03:24:35.719 asked him like, did you did you grow up in 3867 03:24:35.760 --> 03:24:36.879 Mexico selling tacos? 3868 03:24:37.200 --> 03:24:38.600 Were you ever a taco vendor? 3869 03:24:39.120 --> 03:24:39.239 Esse? 3870 03:24:39.520 --> 03:24:45.719 Jesse Ventura clanned? And can you make uncolentary Enchiladas? I 3871 03:24:45.799 --> 03:24:49.120 guess are very good? I guess that's a great question. Really. 3872 03:24:49.159 --> 03:24:51.479 I mean, if there's one thing I didn't know about you? 3873 03:24:51.879 --> 03:24:54.440 So do you make? Do you make Enchilada's? Big fan 3874 03:24:54.559 --> 03:25:07.319 of Enchilada's since I started living down in Mexico. Hey, Hey, Hey, Chico. Hey, 3875 03:25:07.719 --> 03:25:15.280 now wait just a minute, now, wait, just you're gonna 3876 03:25:15.440 --> 03:25:21.159 tell me. You're gonna tell me Chevani that Chico Santana 3877 03:25:21.319 --> 03:25:29.079 never sold tacos in Tijuana. I wasn't born yesterday. I 3878 03:25:29.200 --> 03:25:32.360 wasn't I wasn't born in Mexico, but I do live there. 3879 03:25:37.120 --> 03:25:41.639 William says, sids epidermous fluid contains baby oil, vienna juice warmed, 3880 03:25:41.719 --> 03:25:43.959 not gelatinous, as if it was heated in the microwave, 3881 03:25:44.520 --> 03:25:52.719 round up and infield dirt. I mean it's round round 3882 03:25:53.079 --> 03:25:55.840 is a tough, tough one that one hits I I 3883 03:25:56.559 --> 03:25:59.239 you know, and I also think part of it is 3884 03:25:59.280 --> 03:26:02.760 to of Sid's skin. You know, when you cook a 3885 03:26:02.840 --> 03:26:04.879 hot dog a little too long and then you let 3886 03:26:04.959 --> 03:26:07.360 it sit out and it gets all shrivey and like 3887 03:26:07.559 --> 03:26:12.719 tough and crunchy. Gross. Right now, that's part of it 3888 03:26:12.879 --> 03:26:15.479 right there, that Sid. 3889 03:26:16.040 --> 03:26:18.479 So they are from Tito Santana, thank you very much. 3890 03:26:18.520 --> 03:26:21.000 Always good to hear from I think I think we 3891 03:26:21.280 --> 03:26:24.959 can say, boss, it's always good to hear from Tito, right, yes, 3892 03:26:25.040 --> 03:26:28.840 it is always, especially when it's unexpected. Christopher says, I 3893 03:26:28.879 --> 03:26:31.440 feel like I'm having a coliseum colonoscopy and I'm not 3894 03:26:31.520 --> 03:26:37.200 saying stop, I'm just saying more Miralaxe, and he said, fascinatingly, 3895 03:26:37.520 --> 03:26:40.440 write this one down for the upcoming the complete Hull Cogan. 3896 03:26:40.680 --> 03:26:43.760 Hogan did challenge for the Intercontinental. 3897 03:26:43.159 --> 03:26:50.239 Title outside of the Wrestlmini six match in nineteen eighty one. 3898 03:26:51.399 --> 03:26:56.440 Whoa against two Pedro Morales and none of Wow than 3899 03:26:58.040 --> 03:26:59.399 look at that? Can we deal with that? 3900 03:27:00.239 --> 03:27:00.280 No? 3901 03:27:01.200 --> 03:27:01.879 No, I cannot. 3902 03:27:02.920 --> 03:27:05.639 Andrew noticed the lapsed editor article for the mailbag. Hello, 3903 03:27:05.760 --> 03:27:09.920 I formally submit the attached article from the Atlanta Constitution, Atlanta, Georgia, Sunday, 3904 03:27:09.959 --> 03:27:12.360 October twenty second, nineteen seventy eight, just around the time 3905 03:27:12.399 --> 03:27:15.479 Hogan would have arrived down there, with the following excerpt. Today, 3906 03:27:15.520 --> 03:27:18.399 the sport of kings has become rosslin, as practiced by 3907 03:27:18.440 --> 03:27:21.120 the National Wrestling Alliance and other similar federations of promoters 3908 03:27:21.159 --> 03:27:23.559 throughout the country. Wrestling today is considered by many to 3909 03:27:23.639 --> 03:27:28.760 be more theater than sport. You ready for the quote 3910 03:27:28.799 --> 03:27:33.239 from Atlantic Constitution Executive Sports editor Paul Body, please, As 3911 03:27:33.280 --> 03:27:36.120 the paper notes, echoing the policies of numerous newspapers, the 3912 03:27:36.239 --> 03:27:40.879 quote is we don't cover it because it's a feature event. 3913 03:27:41.600 --> 03:27:47.600 It's a set script the promoters already know what the 3914 03:27:47.680 --> 03:27:53.239 outcome will be. Oh, yes they do, Yes they do. 3915 03:27:55.120 --> 03:27:59.120 Putting that quote in an article just amazing. I have 3916 03:27:59.280 --> 03:28:01.399 no problem with it shadows whatsoever. 3917 03:28:01.079 --> 03:28:04.440 To Andre who took the time to make a image 3918 03:28:04.559 --> 03:28:08.479 of what the Dance Spivey book we suggested might look like. 3919 03:28:09.120 --> 03:28:11.520 I don't know if you remember the title we suggested, Boss, 3920 03:28:11.559 --> 03:28:13.920 but I don't put it in the chat while you 3921 03:28:14.120 --> 03:28:15.559 just you just said the word right there. I need 3922 03:28:15.600 --> 03:28:25.280 to take a good look at what a score one 3923 03:28:25.319 --> 03:28:25.879 for a I R. 3924 03:28:25.959 --> 03:28:32.920 On this one. I have to say, tell him, tell 3925 03:28:33.000 --> 03:28:33.680 him what you're. 3926 03:28:33.559 --> 03:28:42.280 Saying, tell him what you see. It got fucking wail 3927 03:28:42.360 --> 03:28:47.280 and mercy dance Spiby sitting with his elbows on his. 3928 03:28:47.360 --> 03:28:51.239 Knees, his his his his hands clapped together, and his 3929 03:28:51.680 --> 03:28:54.440 like leaning on it with his chin behind him. Is 3930 03:28:54.520 --> 03:28:59.040 the word don't underneath don't. This is the book title. 3931 03:28:59.079 --> 03:29:02.200 Don't is this book tip? And the subtitle is long 3932 03:29:02.319 --> 03:29:09.959 Strides and Low Ambition. Dan Spivey guy has no chance 3933 03:29:10.719 --> 03:29:14.680 showing up on that tape when he did, no chance. None. Listen, 3934 03:29:14.760 --> 03:29:19.479 it's totally fucked all right. Fucking shirt too. That that 3935 03:29:19.680 --> 03:29:22.000 shirt is hilarious. I mean I'll tell you this is 3936 03:29:22.159 --> 03:29:24.559 this is what AI is all is all about. Yeah, 3937 03:29:24.639 --> 03:29:27.280 all right to me, this is what AI needs to be. 3938 03:29:27.920 --> 03:29:31.520 It's this or or what you know Tim's shirt and 3939 03:29:31.719 --> 03:29:39.399 I do. We'll text each other, you know, something will 3940 03:29:39.559 --> 03:29:43.479 something will spawn some topic and we'll start sending each other. Yes, 3941 03:29:44.079 --> 03:29:51.159 AI images of film composers wrestling. Oh, I can see that. 3942 03:29:51.280 --> 03:29:54.000 I'm like John Williams, like, of course, trying to make 3943 03:29:54.319 --> 03:29:57.920 trying to make Hans Zimmer submit in order they have 3944 03:29:58.040 --> 03:30:00.719 a ladder match, and it's just like, it's just fucking 3945 03:30:02.200 --> 03:30:06.559 it's so, it's just it's crazy, it's absurd. But that's 3946 03:30:06.639 --> 03:30:10.000 that's what AI is good for. Yeah, stop taking jobs. 3947 03:30:11.200 --> 03:30:15.159 That's pretty much it. You know what, TKO isn't good 3948 03:30:15.159 --> 03:30:19.159 for wrestling? According to Josh from Knoxville, Tennessee, I'd like 3949 03:30:19.239 --> 03:30:23.239 you to share his well well phrased sentiments with the 3950 03:30:23.280 --> 03:30:24.200 Solar System boss. 3951 03:30:25.360 --> 03:30:33.760 There you go, okay, dear CoA chairman. Since the TKO merger, 3952 03:30:33.920 --> 03:30:36.399 WWE has become less of a wrestling company and more 3953 03:30:36.440 --> 03:30:40.440 of a branded content wasteland designed by people who wouldn't 3954 03:30:40.479 --> 03:30:43.959 know a wristlock from a wristwatch. It's not storytelling. It's 3955 03:30:44.239 --> 03:30:49.959 corporate LARPing. What's LARPing? I don't know LARPing. I think 3956 03:30:49.959 --> 03:30:53.079 it's like carping. Oh okay, let me let me take 3957 03:30:53.079 --> 03:30:55.959 a look. Actually I don't know. And and not the 3958 03:30:56.079 --> 03:31:01.600 fun kinda oh I see, oh I see. I uh, 3959 03:31:01.719 --> 03:31:05.000 and not the fun kind. This is excel sheet wrestling, 3960 03:31:05.200 --> 03:31:09.159 booked by market analysts and delivered in digestible chunks for 3961 03:31:09.360 --> 03:31:12.840 board executives who think kay sahebe is a sushi role. 3962 03:31:14.760 --> 03:31:18.200 I do like spreadsheet wrestling. That actually, yes, that that's 3963 03:31:18.319 --> 03:31:21.319 that is tremendous. That's really clearly brilliant. I like I 3964 03:31:21.559 --> 03:31:25.600 like that they're booked by market analysts. Yes, I love that. 3965 03:31:25.760 --> 03:31:28.639 That's what it is. It's like you have stock stock 3966 03:31:28.760 --> 03:31:31.479 market analysts who are saying, well, you know, I think 3967 03:31:31.600 --> 03:31:34.239 this this one would really kind of boost the numbers. 3968 03:31:34.280 --> 03:31:35.520 Oh my god. Yeah. 3969 03:31:35.520 --> 03:31:38.239 And they used to laugh people off the investors calls 3970 03:31:38.639 --> 03:31:40.719 that used to talk about the storylines, and now like 3971 03:31:40.920 --> 03:31:43.879 right right, those people, it is basically deciding what direction 3972 03:31:44.000 --> 03:31:44.520 it all takes. 3973 03:31:45.200 --> 03:31:49.639 And yet, like a fool, I keep showing up. It's correcting, praying, needing, 3974 03:31:49.879 --> 03:31:54.200 but not wwe Oh no, I need the co chairman 3975 03:31:54.280 --> 03:31:58.360 in my ass like WW needs another grifter YouTuber overreacting 3976 03:31:58.399 --> 03:32:01.120 to another Paul Hayman promo. I need it the way 3977 03:32:01.239 --> 03:32:04.600 Triple H needs to treat every post pl E press 3978 03:32:04.680 --> 03:32:07.959 conference like a super Bowl winning coat. You are the 3979 03:32:08.040 --> 03:32:10.799 only ones reminding me that it used to mean something. 3980 03:32:11.280 --> 03:32:14.239 You're my tether to win. This business was still run 3981 03:32:14.360 --> 03:32:18.680 by sociopaths and not spreadsheets. And that's it. You know what, 3982 03:32:18.760 --> 03:32:21.280 do you prefer sociopaths or spreadsheets? That's a good t 3983 03:32:21.399 --> 03:32:27.479 shirt right there. Sociopaths over spreadsheets? Is that some That's 3984 03:32:27.520 --> 03:32:29.239 about the sum of it, you know. There it is 3985 03:32:29.879 --> 03:32:34.360 when a worked shoot meant something, when Danger and Carnie 3986 03:32:34.479 --> 03:32:38.360 Magic lived under every turnbuckle. Now Cody finishes the story 3987 03:32:38.399 --> 03:32:42.719 and it still feels like page one. Roman's off on 3988 03:32:42.920 --> 03:32:48.920 PTO La Knights catchphrases have been focus grouped into oblivion 3989 03:32:49.799 --> 03:32:52.520 and logan Paul Asmo become one of the most protected 3990 03:32:52.559 --> 03:32:57.239 workers on the roster, which tells me everything I need 3991 03:32:57.319 --> 03:33:03.559 to know about the target demographic. Right not me, It's 3992 03:33:03.639 --> 03:33:06.159 just it's not just creative. WWE n R TKO has 3993 03:33:06.200 --> 03:33:11.239 become a content farm, not a wrestling company. Everything is monetized, 3994 03:33:11.319 --> 03:33:19.559 clipped packaged and forgotten. Listen, you want moments, we get 3995 03:33:20.319 --> 03:33:25.200 metrics and the kicker. They've taken the fans completely out 3996 03:33:25.239 --> 03:33:28.000 of the question. WWE has become a product for partners, 3997 03:33:28.559 --> 03:33:32.879 shareholders and international media rights fans. We're the ones they 3998 03:33:33.040 --> 03:33:37.319 fleece with fanatics hoodies and CGI lighting lightning bolts. And 3999 03:33:37.399 --> 03:33:39.879 if you're not compliant with the narrative, you're not the 4000 03:33:40.000 --> 03:33:43.959 target demo anymore. Ingo, So I come to you, Jack 4001 03:33:44.000 --> 03:33:47.000 and JP. Keep me warm, keep me lapsed, keep me prolapsed, 4002 03:33:47.399 --> 03:33:50.239 keep me deep in that audio documentary goodness, because if 4003 03:33:50.239 --> 03:33:53.000 I have to watch WWE, pretend it's prestige television for 4004 03:33:53.079 --> 03:33:58.760 another quarter. Oh wait till the fucking unreal show comes out. 4005 03:33:59.280 --> 03:34:01.760 Oh man, wait for that. You know, they think they're 4006 03:34:01.799 --> 03:34:04.200 doing the they're basically think they're doing the f one 4007 03:34:04.520 --> 03:34:07.559 racing thing, right, like the behind the scenes, like listen, 4008 03:34:07.879 --> 03:34:11.559 nobody cares all right, like nobody think. 4009 03:34:11.760 --> 03:34:13.680 There was a quote I read from a Netflix guy, 4010 03:34:14.000 --> 03:34:15.719 or I think the guy who directed it for Netflix, 4011 03:34:15.760 --> 03:34:17.399 because it is kind of an outside person that did 4012 03:34:17.440 --> 03:34:19.879 this project and he thinks like this is going to 4013 03:34:19.920 --> 03:34:22.239 hook new people into WW when they realize how it 4014 03:34:22.319 --> 03:34:22.719 all works. 4015 03:34:22.760 --> 03:34:27.319 Behind the scenes. No, no, they're not. It's it's gonna 4016 03:34:27.360 --> 03:34:29.399 turn What it's gonna do is it's gonna turn people 4017 03:34:29.399 --> 03:34:33.399 who were on there on the last threads away. No, 4018 03:34:33.479 --> 03:34:35.600 one's gonna fucking wat Why why would I want to? 4019 03:34:37.319 --> 03:34:45.559 It's like, I mean, okay, because it's like having a 4020 03:34:45.680 --> 03:34:52.879 weekly television show of a movie being made and then 4021 03:34:53.079 --> 03:34:54.680 you go see the movie when it comes out, Like, 4022 03:34:55.000 --> 03:34:58.120 I don't care. Listen, I'm fascinated by that stuff, and 4023 03:34:58.200 --> 03:35:00.639 I would want to. I would want to, I would 4024 03:35:00.680 --> 03:35:04.239 want to experience it, but I'm not gonna watch it. 4025 03:35:06.040 --> 03:35:10.360 It's fucking stupid. Like, if anything, they should have made 4026 03:35:10.399 --> 03:35:13.719 this a fictional show. Well, you know that's that would 4027 03:35:13.760 --> 03:35:16.799 be funny. It will be I mean, right, that's the thing. 4028 03:35:16.840 --> 03:35:18.639 It will be, guys, like help it work if a 4029 03:35:18.680 --> 03:35:20.399 camera's on in the room. It's it's just you know. 4030 03:35:20.920 --> 03:35:24.040 I know because I remember talking to Court Bauer about 4031 03:35:24.079 --> 03:35:28.200 this years ago, because I I did a hit on 4032 03:35:28.239 --> 03:35:30.920 Wrestling Observer Radio with Dave and Bryan one time because 4033 03:35:31.680 --> 03:35:34.239 we were talking. I was talking about how this idea 4034 03:35:34.520 --> 03:35:36.920 would I think be a way to drive subscriptions to 4035 03:35:36.959 --> 03:35:37.319 the network. 4036 03:35:37.360 --> 03:35:39.680 By the way, just kind I asked them to think 4037 03:35:39.719 --> 03:35:42.319 about this. Did you ever think back in like two 4038 03:35:42.360 --> 03:35:46.639 thousand and two that you'd ever be like, you know, 4039 03:35:47.079 --> 03:35:52.000 doing shit with Dave? Well not, No. I corresponded with 4040 03:35:52.079 --> 03:35:53.840 him regularly, and I interviewed him a bunch of times. 4041 03:35:53.879 --> 03:35:56.799 But not when you were in college just reading me 4042 03:35:56.879 --> 03:35:58.840 the observer. No, like, did you ever think you would 4043 03:35:58.879 --> 03:36:01.639 like collaborate or whatever. No, no, no, no, no, not 4044 03:36:01.760 --> 03:36:03.639 the odd just calling into his radio show and like 4045 03:36:03.760 --> 03:36:07.079 emailing them and stuff. Yet right now, that's that's true. Yeah, 4046 03:36:07.159 --> 03:36:08.920 we can't lose sight of that ten years on. You 4047 03:36:09.000 --> 03:36:11.920 know how he came into the fold in those early 4048 03:36:11.959 --> 03:36:14.799 WrestleMania and Star Kate episodes, and that's pretty wild to 4049 03:36:14.840 --> 03:36:15.239 think about. 4050 03:36:15.879 --> 03:36:17.559 Yeah, it's a good point. But we were just talking 4051 03:36:17.600 --> 03:36:20.239 about like in those earliest days in the network, when 4052 03:36:20.239 --> 03:36:22.200 it was just run by WW there was no peacock, 4053 03:36:22.239 --> 03:36:24.440 there was no guaranteed money. They were sweating every single 4054 03:36:24.520 --> 03:36:26.879 month the subscriber number and what they'd have to report 4055 03:36:26.920 --> 03:36:28.399 to Wall Street at the end of the quarter. They 4056 03:36:28.440 --> 03:36:30.600 were pulling all kinds of gammicks. Remember like if you 4057 03:36:30.920 --> 03:36:33.360 oh yeah, you get you lock in a cheaper price, 4058 03:36:33.440 --> 03:36:35.680 if you agree not to cancel for six months, and 4059 03:36:35.760 --> 03:36:38.000 it's like, you have no control of where whether someone 4060 03:36:38.079 --> 03:36:40.440 cancels or not. You can't do that to people, right, 4061 03:36:40.559 --> 03:36:43.079 You can't insist that they paid for something every month 4062 03:36:43.159 --> 03:36:45.559 that they unless you make them sign an anual contract. 4063 03:36:46.120 --> 03:36:48.040 But they never really wanted to do that because they 4064 03:36:48.079 --> 03:36:50.000 were so stuck on that nine to ninety nine numbers, 4065 03:36:50.079 --> 03:36:54.639 this like psychological thing, and they were just like constantly 4066 03:36:54.719 --> 03:36:57.280 touting how many total hours of footage they had on 4067 03:36:57.399 --> 03:37:01.760 there and playing all these games ye and I was like, well, 4068 03:37:01.840 --> 03:37:05.399 what if they just, you know, what if a way 4069 03:37:05.680 --> 03:37:07.639 to get all the people who watched Raw, which was 4070 03:37:07.680 --> 03:37:09.959 in the millions compared to the hundreds of thousands that 4071 03:37:10.040 --> 03:37:13.120 had the network, or at least the Nielsen ratings gave 4072 03:37:13.200 --> 03:37:14.840 us the sense that it was in the millions anyway, 4073 03:37:16.079 --> 03:37:18.319 if you gave them sort of like follow on shoulder 4074 03:37:18.360 --> 03:37:21.239 programming where they actually could see how the episode of 4075 03:37:21.440 --> 03:37:24.639 Raw that they just saw came together. Because there was 4076 03:37:24.760 --> 03:37:28.120 so much it was becoming so clear that the network 4077 03:37:28.360 --> 03:37:32.879 was hitting primarily people who you know, had enough of 4078 03:37:32.920 --> 03:37:35.360 a familiarity and affinity for WW It was their core 4079 03:37:35.559 --> 03:37:38.280 core base. It was people who might actually be interested 4080 03:37:38.399 --> 03:37:40.680 in kind of pulling back the curtain a little bit, 4081 03:37:40.959 --> 03:37:42.959 and I thought it would generate a lot of mainstream publicity. 4082 03:37:43.079 --> 03:37:45.520 WW pulls back the curtain. I thought the stories wrote themselves, 4083 03:37:45.559 --> 03:37:48.239 you know, the WWE's letting the audience into the room 4084 03:37:48.319 --> 03:37:51.879 and stuff. Yea, all these years later, they're actually doing it. 4085 03:37:52.399 --> 03:37:55.360 And one of the things I always wondered about as 4086 03:37:55.399 --> 03:37:56.840 far as how to get around it is kind of 4087 03:37:56.879 --> 03:37:59.879 like what you're saying, Like when you think about seeing 4088 03:38:00.159 --> 03:38:02.159 someone making a movie and then going to watch the movie, 4089 03:38:02.639 --> 03:38:06.840 that doesn't that doesn't really sound that intriguing. But if 4090 03:38:06.879 --> 03:38:09.440 you see it after the movie comes out, like you 4091 03:38:09.440 --> 03:38:11.639 would see a making a documentary. 4092 03:38:11.600 --> 03:38:16.000 But that's that's one off thing. Yeah, one one off 4093 03:38:16.079 --> 03:38:19.799 thing for one movie. That's a one off thing. Like you, yes, 4094 03:38:19.879 --> 03:38:23.239 of course listen, I I I always love features and 4095 03:38:23.680 --> 03:38:26.159 and and what I've always loved that like and one 4096 03:38:26.200 --> 03:38:28.479 of my favorites of all time is the is in 4097 03:38:28.600 --> 03:38:32.479 the The Gladiator Extended edition that came out in like 4098 03:38:32.600 --> 03:38:35.639 two thousand and five or whatever. They had a three 4099 03:38:35.719 --> 03:38:39.959 hour documentary and listen, that's great. But also the difference 4100 03:38:40.040 --> 03:38:42.159 is too is that there were real stakes actually involved, 4101 03:38:42.879 --> 03:38:45.280 whereas like and I get that there are real stakes here. 4102 03:38:45.360 --> 03:38:46.879 But you know, there's a lot of drama that what 4103 03:38:47.239 --> 03:38:51.520 happened on in that particular movie, And I just I 4104 03:38:51.680 --> 03:38:55.440 just don't think a weekly television show is what the is? 4105 03:38:55.479 --> 03:38:58.079 What the answer is A one off thing is different. 4106 03:38:58.559 --> 03:39:01.440 If they did a two hour documentary, I think that 4107 03:39:01.479 --> 03:39:04.000 would be interesting, Yeah, but I think having a weekly 4108 03:39:04.159 --> 03:39:09.520 television program about how they create the fake wrestling is like, 4109 03:39:10.559 --> 03:39:11.680 I don't know, he listened. 4110 03:39:11.760 --> 03:39:13.879 Maybe I'm wrong. I think there's a way to wrong 4111 03:39:13.879 --> 03:39:16.200 to do it, but I don't know. The reason to 4112 03:39:16.319 --> 03:39:17.719 the core Pauer about it was because he used to 4113 03:39:17.719 --> 03:39:19.040 be in the writing team. We've had him on the show. 4114 03:39:19.079 --> 03:39:21.000 He talked about Art of War Games. You used to 4115 03:39:21.000 --> 03:39:23.520 be MLW Bookern was there. He said they were working 4116 03:39:23.600 --> 03:39:25.760 on something like that. At one point they were kind 4117 03:39:25.799 --> 03:39:27.239 of messing around with the pilot, and he said one 4118 03:39:27.280 --> 03:39:30.000 of the things, if I'm remembering correctly, at hate to 4119 03:39:30.040 --> 03:39:32.000 be misquoting him, but it was sort of like what 4120 03:39:32.120 --> 03:39:34.079 happened was people on the writing team, especially once he 4121 03:39:34.159 --> 03:39:36.959 used to be you know, wrestlers or television personalities, they 4122 03:39:37.079 --> 03:39:39.520 just immediately just started trying to become the star of 4123 03:39:39.559 --> 03:39:42.159 the show. And you actually didn't end up all getting 4124 03:39:42.799 --> 03:39:46.399 a reflection of the organic creation process, because what's really 4125 03:39:46.520 --> 03:39:49.000 key about that whole thing is that the real decisions 4126 03:39:49.239 --> 03:39:52.319 are made after the meeting's over, the one to one 4127 03:39:52.760 --> 03:39:55.600 little conversations in the hallway, right, you know, where everyone's 4128 03:39:55.639 --> 03:39:57.840 k favoring each other in the room. So I do 4129 03:39:58.000 --> 03:40:00.920 look forward to them pretending that the big conference table 4130 03:40:01.000 --> 03:40:03.239 is where the real winners and losers get picked, when 4131 03:40:03.319 --> 03:40:06.079 in reality, it's just like that's the consensus and then 4132 03:40:06.120 --> 03:40:09.399 everyone goes in politics one to one afterwards to make 4133 03:40:09.520 --> 03:40:11.719 last minute changes not I don't know. I don't know 4134 03:40:11.719 --> 03:40:14.040 if Triple Ah is receptive to that or not. But 4135 03:40:14.200 --> 03:40:17.159 we're going to see. And the idea that they the 4136 03:40:17.280 --> 03:40:18.920 idea I think is going to drive new fans, is 4137 03:40:19.159 --> 03:40:21.879 pretty hilarious to me. I've seen stranger things I've seen. 4138 03:40:22.239 --> 03:40:25.680 I've seen Total Bella's drastically increase the amount of women 4139 03:40:25.719 --> 03:40:26.200 watching RAW. 4140 03:40:26.280 --> 03:40:28.959 It's I mean, I mean yeah, I mean listen, I'm 4141 03:40:28.959 --> 03:40:31.040 not I'm not saying that it's not going to happen. 4142 03:40:31.079 --> 03:40:34.280 I just I just don't see how that would do 4143 03:40:34.399 --> 03:40:36.239 the trick to me. It just I just can't I 4144 03:40:36.319 --> 03:40:38.840 can't picture it. I don't see it, Yeah, and maybe 4145 03:40:38.879 --> 03:40:41.680 it will maybe maybe you will do everything you know 4146 03:40:41.879 --> 03:40:44.399 that they're that they're fucking talking about, But it just 4147 03:40:45.600 --> 03:40:48.559 I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it at all. 4148 03:40:49.959 --> 03:40:52.200 It's very I look forward to seeing how they present 4149 03:40:52.239 --> 03:40:54.360 it because it's something I've thought about what it would 4150 03:40:54.399 --> 03:40:56.399 look like for a long time. I thought it was 4151 03:40:56.399 --> 03:40:58.239 going to be a lot more interesting when Vince was around, 4152 03:40:58.280 --> 03:41:01.520 because everyone always so you really want to know what 4153 03:41:01.639 --> 03:41:03.399 I really thought the value would be, honestly, is to 4154 03:41:03.440 --> 03:41:06.159 be able to study the look on Vince's face and 4155 03:41:06.239 --> 03:41:08.639 the tone of his voice when he discussed his individual talent, 4156 03:41:09.079 --> 03:41:11.319 like that means yeah, because that to me get talent 4157 03:41:11.440 --> 03:41:14.040 over like if people suspected from watching a show like 4158 03:41:14.120 --> 03:41:16.280 this that Vince wasn't giving a guy affair shot, or 4159 03:41:16.360 --> 03:41:20.280 Vince had blinders on regarding a certain talents upside because 4160 03:41:20.280 --> 03:41:21.920 this was during the time you gotta remember, I'm talking 4161 03:41:21.959 --> 03:41:26.559 like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, pre aew pre evenknew Japan's resurgence. 4162 03:41:26.639 --> 03:41:28.360 This was the time when people were just like, why 4163 03:41:28.799 --> 03:41:32.120 are these great wrestlers getting absolutely no chance when there's 4164 03:41:32.159 --> 03:41:34.239 only one place to really go in the entire business 4165 03:41:34.280 --> 03:41:37.200 to make a real living, and everybody was there, you know, 4166 03:41:37.639 --> 03:41:37.840 and that. 4167 03:41:37.959 --> 03:41:38.639 Was kind of what I thought. 4168 03:41:38.680 --> 03:41:40.479 The upshot of it was was like it's almost like 4169 03:41:40.520 --> 03:41:43.360 a way to get to Vince in his mindset because 4170 03:41:43.360 --> 03:41:45.000 of how big a hit him being on the Stone 4171 03:41:45.040 --> 03:41:47.600 Cold podcast was, and what he said about John Moxley, 4172 03:41:47.639 --> 03:41:49.760 what he said about Czarro, what he said about a 4173 03:41:49.799 --> 03:41:51.840 handful of wrestlers. That really stuck with you because it 4174 03:41:51.920 --> 03:41:54.440 was that rare opportunity to really get a pulse check 4175 03:41:54.479 --> 03:41:57.360 from Vince on what he thought about the wrestlers right right. 4176 03:41:58.000 --> 03:41:59.559 And I don't know, I just thought that would be 4177 03:41:59.600 --> 03:42:02.360 fascinating now that it's now that it's like t KO 4178 03:42:02.520 --> 03:42:04.719 and stuff and all these guys, all these guys are 4179 03:42:04.719 --> 03:42:06.639 workers and shirts and they're not like they're not. 4180 03:42:06.680 --> 03:42:07.399 The old cabal. 4181 03:42:07.680 --> 03:42:09.520 I used to like that idea, you know, of like 4182 03:42:09.920 --> 03:42:14.159 the Jerry Briscoes and those kind of guys, the Patterson 4183 03:42:14.319 --> 03:42:15.920 sitting around tapping the desk. 4184 03:42:16.000 --> 03:42:16.159 You know. 4185 03:42:16.239 --> 03:42:18.000 Oh, I think it would be I think it would 4186 03:42:18.040 --> 03:42:20.280 be drobendous if you go, you know, and making these 4187 03:42:20.319 --> 03:42:24.680 little political uh suggestions back and forth. But now they 4188 03:42:25.159 --> 03:42:28.520 they they do production meetings and they have these expensive 4189 03:42:28.600 --> 03:42:31.079 conference rooms and that's not really what I mean, you know, 4190 03:42:31.600 --> 03:42:35.639 but right, and yeah, maybe they can capture more than that. 4191 03:42:35.760 --> 03:42:38.200 Maybe maybe they can capture more because they're kind of 4192 03:42:38.200 --> 03:42:40.280 playing it up like we're gonna take you through how 4193 03:42:40.440 --> 03:42:43.879 Rock Cody all that went down, and there's like there 4194 03:42:43.920 --> 03:42:47.440 were cameras and these key moments where changes in direction 4195 03:42:47.559 --> 03:42:49.920 were being communicated to people backstage. There's like a lot 4196 03:42:49.959 --> 03:42:55.079 more film than we realize. Okay, I mean, whatever, Rock's 4197 03:42:55.120 --> 03:42:56.440 gonna have something to say. These are the kind of 4198 03:42:56.520 --> 03:42:59.440 Rock is such a documentary mark like, oh, of course 4199 03:42:59.479 --> 03:43:03.280 he's gonna like micromanage every frame that he's in on 4200 03:43:03.360 --> 03:43:05.319 a show like this. Gouda protoct the perception. You know, 4201 03:43:06.040 --> 03:43:10.079 it's gonna have a just the gaudiest Versaci shirt you've 4202 03:43:10.079 --> 03:43:11.879 ever seen in every. 4203 03:43:11.760 --> 03:43:16.360 Oh God list. I wouldn't expect anything less. Okay, I 4204 03:43:16.440 --> 03:43:17.920 would not expect anything less. 4205 03:43:18.200 --> 03:43:19.920 Zach Alson makes a good point. He says, you know, 4206 03:43:20.040 --> 03:43:22.639 when tapes were sixty dollars, You're right, no one questioned 4207 03:43:22.959 --> 03:43:25.719 that's what they were worth. But I also didn't know 4208 03:43:25.799 --> 03:43:27.719 of anyone who had very many tapes because it was 4209 03:43:27.760 --> 03:43:29.920 such a premium to actually buy one. If someone bought 4210 03:43:29.959 --> 03:43:32.879 all three tapes in eighty six from Coliseum Video would 4211 03:43:32.879 --> 03:43:34.920 have roughly been the same cost as buying a Nintendo 4212 03:43:35.079 --> 03:43:35.959 Entertainment says. 4213 03:43:36.479 --> 03:43:39.760 It's true. It is very true. I don't know how that, 4214 03:43:41.799 --> 03:43:46.040 you know, I never I never bought, you know, I copied, 4215 03:43:47.319 --> 03:43:49.120 I rented and and I copied. 4216 03:43:48.799 --> 03:43:54.360 And people still made bajillions of dollars off distributing vvhs 4217 03:43:55.159 --> 03:43:56.120 and no one complained about it. 4218 03:43:56.159 --> 03:43:58.120 I was alive. No one complained about tapes being that much. 4219 03:43:58.159 --> 03:43:58.760 No one complained. 4220 03:43:59.559 --> 03:44:01.239 But then course, like everything else, it becomes a race 4221 03:44:01.280 --> 03:44:03.000 to the bottom from a price perspective. What if we 4222 03:44:03.079 --> 03:44:05.360 made it twenty dollars, Oh yeah, well, we'll make it eighteen, 4223 03:44:05.520 --> 03:44:08.239 we'll make it fourteen, we'll make it twelve, and then 4224 03:44:08.239 --> 03:44:09.719 pretty soon it's just like, what are we doing here? 4225 03:44:10.120 --> 03:44:11.120 We'll make it my mom. 4226 03:44:11.120 --> 03:44:12.959 Right, making my mom exactly, and then we've know how 4227 03:44:13.040 --> 03:44:17.719 that goes. And now everything it's not even worth two 4228 03:44:17.840 --> 03:44:21.239 million movies on Netflix aren't even arguably worth fourteen ninety 4229 03:44:21.280 --> 03:44:24.360 nine a month. It seems, I know, how did we 4230 03:44:24.399 --> 03:44:29.399 get here? How did we so thoroughly devalue an individual 4231 03:44:29.559 --> 03:44:32.319 unit of entertainment? How did we do this to ourselves? Well, 4232 03:44:32.399 --> 03:44:35.239 were we chasing how stupid. 4233 03:44:35.719 --> 03:44:41.680 Because it became about it became because you know, just 4234 03:44:41.799 --> 03:44:46.639 kind of like what they're talking about. It changed. It 4235 03:44:46.760 --> 03:44:53.040 became more about instead of about creating entertainment or art 4236 03:44:53.239 --> 03:45:02.360 or whatever, it became about you know, when Netflix streaming okay, 4237 03:45:02.559 --> 03:45:09.239 and it became about, well, how can we maximize membership? Yep, 4238 03:45:10.600 --> 03:45:12.840 And that's just like what we're talking about with w 4239 03:45:13.159 --> 03:45:16.639 how can we get more people to sign up? And 4240 03:45:16.760 --> 03:45:18.920 then it and it became about more and more and 4241 03:45:19.040 --> 03:45:20.760 more and more and more and more and more, and 4242 03:45:20.879 --> 03:45:24.040 now we're overloaded with stuff. I mean, you know, there's 4243 03:45:24.399 --> 03:45:26.760 it's funny, you know. You know, my my parents always 4244 03:45:26.840 --> 03:45:29.079 just my mom and my grandma would always say you 4245 03:45:29.719 --> 03:45:31.920 you don't have time to watch all the videos that 4246 03:45:32.000 --> 03:45:36.239 you own. It's like, well I did, actually now I don't. 4247 03:45:37.639 --> 03:45:41.120 Now there's no time, right because like there's so much 4248 03:45:41.120 --> 03:45:44.159 shit out there. Because there's sixty prestige shows at a 4249 03:45:44.239 --> 03:45:46.680 time that everyone tells you that you have to watch, right, 4250 03:45:46.959 --> 03:45:49.680 I'm not watching any of them, guys, when I say 4251 03:45:49.959 --> 03:45:51.799 I am not going to watch a single one of them, 4252 03:45:52.479 --> 03:45:57.920 not one, because they're sixty. If there were two, like 4253 03:45:58.000 --> 03:46:02.040 Sopranos Game of Thrones days even yep, yep lost. Yeah, 4254 03:46:02.079 --> 03:46:04.680 I was there. I was fine participating in the office 4255 03:46:04.719 --> 03:46:07.399 on NBC. Yeah, I was watching every week and I 4256 03:46:07.479 --> 03:46:08.399 was fine with it because there. 4257 03:46:08.360 --> 03:46:12.959 Weren't eighty shows that I had to watch and had 4258 03:46:13.040 --> 03:46:15.120 to you know what I mean, But I had to. Yes, 4259 03:46:15.840 --> 03:46:18.639 it's just not working. It's not working for anybody. 4260 03:46:19.079 --> 03:46:22.280 It's harder. I mean, this is and and I mean 4261 03:46:24.000 --> 03:46:28.239 it's the market's oversaturated. It's have you seen the Happy 4262 03:46:28.239 --> 03:46:33.440 Almore sequel? No, I'm a little bitter about it. Okay, 4263 03:46:33.559 --> 03:46:36.319 well I think that that was why I asked you. 4264 03:46:36.440 --> 03:46:38.239 But well, I know, I know, I know, well I know, 4265 03:46:38.440 --> 03:46:39.680 but I don't even if I told you, you know, 4266 03:46:39.719 --> 03:46:43.280 I was. I was. I was on hold for like 4267 03:46:43.440 --> 03:46:45.079 two or three parts. I'm not sure you told me 4268 03:46:45.120 --> 03:46:48.040 that before. Yeah, they were gonna exa. I don't usually 4269 03:46:48.040 --> 03:46:50.040 talk about it until well after things are done. Yes, 4270 03:46:50.920 --> 03:46:53.719 but uh, breaking news here, folks. Yes, this is what 4271 03:46:53.799 --> 03:46:57.559 you get by listening deep into the mailbag. Right. So, 4272 03:46:57.840 --> 03:47:03.399 I I auditioned for a role and they put me, 4273 03:47:03.879 --> 03:47:05.520 put me on hold. They were going to use me, 4274 03:47:06.159 --> 03:47:10.959 and they then let me go from that role, but 4275 03:47:11.040 --> 03:47:12.760 then put me on hold for another role, and they 4276 03:47:12.760 --> 03:47:14.719 were like, we're gonna use like we want to use him, 4277 03:47:15.920 --> 03:47:18.920 you know, And so I was on hold. And then 4278 03:47:18.959 --> 03:47:20.840 I found out that MJF was in the movie and 4279 03:47:20.840 --> 03:47:24.319 I was like, oh my god, two movies jflets because 4280 03:47:24.440 --> 03:47:27.840 fucking cool. But then they never called me back. I 4281 03:47:27.959 --> 03:47:32.639 never I never worked. I think I think he might have. 4282 03:47:32.719 --> 03:47:33.719 You know, he might have said no, no, no, no, 4283 03:47:33.959 --> 03:47:35.520 fucking hire that that's the guy he used to know 4284 03:47:35.600 --> 03:47:37.879 about wrestling on the last movie. I did, No, he's 4285 03:47:37.920 --> 03:47:42.360 not anywhere, get stop it, stop it. He he doesn't listen. 4286 03:47:42.479 --> 03:47:44.200 I asked him if he watched my TV show. He 4287 03:47:44.239 --> 03:47:46.799 said he he said to me that that he that 4288 03:47:46.959 --> 03:47:49.680 I that I was the guy who he would watch wrestling. 4289 03:47:50.639 --> 03:47:52.280 You know, I could make him watch wrestling again. And 4290 03:47:52.360 --> 03:47:55.799 then he say doesn't watch, So fuck him. He knows 4291 03:47:55.840 --> 03:47:58.079 too much. I don't doubt. I don't doubt that happened. 4292 03:47:58.120 --> 03:48:01.399 I don't doubt that happened for a second. And Becky 4293 03:48:01.520 --> 03:48:02.079 was on the movie. 4294 03:48:02.159 --> 03:48:05.879 You know, I saw that. You think I'm gonna work 4295 03:48:05.920 --> 03:48:13.360 with the lapsed fat guy on the set. But okay, 4296 03:48:13.440 --> 03:48:14.120 so now I can go in. 4297 03:48:15.280 --> 03:48:23.319 Yeahs an explosion of boardroom strategy in the form of 4298 03:48:23.360 --> 03:48:28.200 a two hour movie, just trying to shoehorn every fucking 4299 03:48:28.360 --> 03:48:31.120 person who does over a million views on reels into 4300 03:48:31.159 --> 03:48:34.120 a movie. I've never seen anything like it. These, you know, 4301 03:48:34.239 --> 03:48:36.600 they set up this whole conceit where like everyone's watching 4302 03:48:36.680 --> 03:48:39.319 this big final showdown golf show, so they have all 4303 03:48:39.399 --> 03:48:42.319 these podcasters watching like they're watching it live so they 4304 03:48:42.360 --> 03:48:43.600 can fit them into the movie. 4305 03:48:44.520 --> 03:48:46.760 Am I scrolling Instagram here? Or is this supposed to 4306 03:48:46.760 --> 03:48:47.920 be a feature phone one? 4307 03:48:47.959 --> 03:48:48.440 Am I? You know. 4308 03:48:50.200 --> 03:48:54.120 My phone is my phone and I accept certain formats 4309 03:48:54.120 --> 03:48:56.680 of entertainment on my phone. Why is why is the 4310 03:48:56.760 --> 03:48:58.600 television obsessed with coming off. 4311 03:48:58.520 --> 03:49:01.879 Like my phone? Why is every commercial vertical video? Why? 4312 03:49:01.959 --> 03:49:04.600 Why is every cosmetics ad trying to convince me it's 4313 03:49:04.639 --> 03:49:05.559 actually a snapchat? 4314 03:49:05.680 --> 03:49:09.840 I'm I'm, I'm, I'm infuriated. Hor about the thought, the 4315 03:49:10.479 --> 03:49:18.559 the people, the people who liked introduced vertical video. You know, 4316 03:49:18.920 --> 03:49:21.479 that's when it started. That's when that's when we started 4317 03:49:21.559 --> 03:49:22.920 losing the battle. I swear to God. 4318 03:49:23.879 --> 03:49:26.000 Remember people used to get made fun of a vertical video? 4319 03:49:26.040 --> 03:49:29.639 Remember that, Yes, because we still had an idea of 4320 03:49:29.799 --> 03:49:31.200 like what you appropriate You. 4321 03:49:31.239 --> 03:49:34.120 Know that in in when I When I get an audition, 4322 03:49:34.440 --> 03:49:38.760 it has to be specified, like casting directors specified, do 4323 03:49:38.920 --> 03:49:42.200 a fucking horizonal video. Do not do a vertical video 4324 03:49:42.239 --> 03:49:43.079 for your audition. 4325 03:49:42.799 --> 03:49:44.120 Because they're just going to look at it. They're just 4326 03:49:44.159 --> 03:49:45.520 going to look at it on their phone while they're 4327 03:49:45.680 --> 03:49:47.399 having a thirty dollars cappuccino. 4328 03:49:48.000 --> 03:49:49.959 Because the fucking like you got to do a fucking 4329 03:49:50.079 --> 03:49:52.639 you have to do a horizonal video, you cannot do vertical. 4330 03:49:53.200 --> 03:49:56.959 They get fucking pissed. And and I just like it 4331 03:49:57.120 --> 03:50:00.600 was lazy people who were just filming shit, you know. 4332 03:50:01.440 --> 03:50:07.399 And it's like I've never I have never voluntarily like 4333 03:50:07.479 --> 03:50:10.239 when I before, you kind of you know, had to 4334 03:50:10.440 --> 03:50:15.120 now because if you if you, if you shoot horizontal 4335 03:50:15.559 --> 03:50:18.879 for social media, they don't allow it. Basically you have 4336 03:50:19.000 --> 03:50:21.159 to have these giant you know, the giant black bars 4337 03:50:21.239 --> 03:50:24.840 has a fit basically a yes, you have to. It's 4338 03:50:24.959 --> 03:50:29.879 so annoying. But I used to like say, what are 4339 03:50:29.920 --> 03:50:31.959 you doing, Like why are you filming you know, oh, 4340 03:50:32.000 --> 03:50:33.760 someone's getting beaten over there? Why are you filming it 4341 03:50:33.879 --> 03:50:37.639 that way? Film it's you know, horizontal, like a fucking movie. 4342 03:50:38.000 --> 03:50:40.239 That's that gets to the idea. And I was about 4343 03:50:40.280 --> 03:50:42.559 to say this None of these choices that we've made 4344 03:50:42.639 --> 03:50:46.239 in terms of how we shoot entertainment has been done 4345 03:50:46.399 --> 03:50:52.399 with artistic goals in mind. It's all been dictated by 4346 03:50:52.760 --> 03:50:56.319 the technology. The technology should figure out. 4347 03:50:56.600 --> 03:50:59.200 But it's but it's also lazy. It's also laziness. It's 4348 03:50:59.239 --> 03:51:02.680 the fact that people didn't want to you know, people 4349 03:51:02.760 --> 03:51:05.079 were scrolling in their phones and something happens, They're just like, oh, 4350 03:51:05.159 --> 03:51:06.639 let me get this, and they just fucking put their 4351 03:51:06.799 --> 03:51:09.600 put their their phone up there instead of you know, 4352 03:51:09.680 --> 03:51:11.000 doing what I would have done, which is like, oh, 4353 03:51:11.040 --> 03:51:11.760 I got to do it for the. 4354 03:51:11.760 --> 03:51:13.319 Reason you just said, if they don't shoot it in 4355 03:51:13.559 --> 03:51:16.159 in vertical, then they cannot do it to social But. 4356 03:51:16.319 --> 03:51:19.280 But but before that was a thing. Yeah, before before 4357 03:51:19.399 --> 03:51:22.920 social made it made it the requirement, that's what people 4358 03:51:22.959 --> 03:51:26.840 were doing. Like, people were always sending me videos vertical. 4359 03:51:26.879 --> 03:51:29.680 I'm like, what are you doing? Like, do you do you? 4360 03:51:29.760 --> 03:51:32.239 Have you ever watched TV like this? Exactly? Well, that's 4361 03:51:32.239 --> 03:51:35.159 the thing. They don't care about the TV screen anymore. 4362 03:51:35.399 --> 03:51:37.760 They Well, I know, but but I'm talking about before that, 4363 03:51:38.079 --> 03:51:41.680 before this, Why did you do this? Why did people 4364 03:51:41.959 --> 03:51:44.760 before it became the fad, before it became the thing 4365 03:51:44.879 --> 03:51:46.840 you had to do. Why did you do this to 4366 03:51:46.920 --> 03:51:49.879 begin with? Why aren't you filming like a fucking adult? 4367 03:51:51.399 --> 03:51:54.639 Why are you filming like an ignorant, fucking piece of shit? 4368 03:51:58.040 --> 03:52:01.639 And that's the thing that wins out right, It wents 4369 03:52:01.680 --> 03:52:05.200 out because all people care about is that we're evolving. 4370 03:52:05.360 --> 03:52:11.440 We're devolving, Okay, that we are. Listen, when you start 4371 03:52:11.600 --> 03:52:17.239 filming shit vertical, you're losing the battle and you're just you're, you're, you're, you're, 4372 03:52:17.440 --> 03:52:21.920 you're dumbing everybody down, oh very much. So you're dumbing 4373 03:52:22.120 --> 03:52:24.680 everybody down. You're doing it, and you're also making them 4374 03:52:24.760 --> 03:52:27.239 lazy because then they don't have to work to fucking 4375 03:52:27.319 --> 03:52:31.959 get it to be a fucking horizontal thing. And it 4376 03:52:32.040 --> 03:52:34.479 gets back to they're not making a movie to create art. 4377 03:52:34.479 --> 03:52:37.879 They're making a movie to create a social sensation that 4378 03:52:37.959 --> 03:52:40.319 they're metrics. They're trying to click back, they're trying to 4379 03:52:40.360 --> 03:52:44.239 click their own video into the hopeless addiction that they 4380 03:52:44.360 --> 03:52:48.440 have to vertical video scrolling. That's that's when we lost 4381 03:52:48.479 --> 03:52:51.399 the battle, folks. You can point to a million societal things, 4382 03:52:51.479 --> 03:52:54.000 you can point to a million political things, you can point. 4383 03:52:53.799 --> 03:52:54.520 To whatever you want. 4384 03:52:54.799 --> 03:52:58.639 We lost the battle when life became about flicking upwards 4385 03:52:58.879 --> 03:53:03.000 on your phone, and it just doesn't ever fucking end. 4386 03:53:03.479 --> 03:53:08.559 It doesn't TikTok never ever ends. And if it has 4387 03:53:08.600 --> 03:53:12.600 the slightest hint, the slightest hint that you may be 4388 03:53:12.719 --> 03:53:16.239 even somewhat interested in content that will drive you to 4389 03:53:16.319 --> 03:53:20.440 an early grave, it will not stop showing it to you. Yeah, 4390 03:53:21.120 --> 03:53:23.680 I don't understand. You know, we did it to ourselves, 4391 03:53:23.959 --> 03:53:27.479 and we shoot our entertainment, working ourselves backwards from these 4392 03:53:27.639 --> 03:53:31.680 arbitrary technology decisions that have nothing to do with faithfully 4393 03:53:31.840 --> 03:53:35.559 and interestingly representing the subject of the video or the picture, 4394 03:53:35.639 --> 03:53:37.799 or whatever the case may be. We literally just do 4395 03:53:38.040 --> 03:53:41.680 things because that's the way Samsung and Apple decided everything's 4396 03:53:41.719 --> 03:53:44.799 going to be displayed, two companies full of people that 4397 03:53:45.399 --> 03:53:48.360 would wouldn't know art. If they were trapped in an 4398 03:53:48.440 --> 03:53:50.479 art gallery for thirty years, they wouldn't be able. 4399 03:53:50.319 --> 03:53:50.639 To find it. 4400 03:53:51.159 --> 03:53:52.639 And I'm not saying everything has to be art, but 4401 03:53:52.799 --> 03:53:58.879 fucking movies, no TV shows, I mean, come on, folks, photographs. 4402 03:53:58.959 --> 03:54:04.760 Right, there's just there's just I mean, I remember I 4403 03:54:05.639 --> 03:54:10.200 read I read something there was somebody who said, you know, 4404 03:54:10.600 --> 03:54:13.120 I think it's time we have movies. You know why 4405 03:54:13.159 --> 03:54:15.280 don't we have a movie films vertically? Exactly what are 4406 03:54:15.280 --> 03:54:17.319 we doing? We can just sell out inventory. We got 4407 03:54:17.399 --> 03:54:19.280 it because it would look because it would look stupid. 4408 03:54:19.600 --> 03:54:22.479 How about that. That's why, because it would look fucking 4409 03:54:22.680 --> 03:54:27.159 stupid and you would be labeled a moron. That's why 4410 03:54:27.280 --> 03:54:33.079 you don't fucking film a movie vertical. We're just old 4411 03:54:33.159 --> 03:54:35.000 fuddy duddies, I know exactly. 4412 03:54:35.239 --> 03:54:35.399 You know. 4413 03:54:35.840 --> 03:54:37.840 Meanwhile, people can't watch a video for more than two 4414 03:54:37.879 --> 03:54:40.319 and a half minutes without having a panic attack as 4415 03:54:40.360 --> 03:54:40.799 they're bored. 4416 03:54:41.440 --> 03:54:43.559 Right, and yet there's a fucking pro wrestler in the 4417 03:54:43.600 --> 03:54:44.520 goddamn White House. 4418 03:54:45.799 --> 03:54:48.479 Paul says, Yeah, our local store treated the tapes like 4419 03:54:48.600 --> 03:54:49.920 the gold they were. 4420 03:54:50.319 --> 03:54:52.479 That's right. You take care of those tapes or you 4421 03:54:52.559 --> 03:54:57.159 pay a stiff penalty. Physical media hard stop. Physical media 4422 03:54:57.559 --> 03:55:03.760 things are better. Ephemeral digital media things are worse. I 4423 03:55:04.040 --> 03:55:09.000 I well, yes, i'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. 4424 03:55:09.360 --> 03:55:14.680 I liked both. Yes, I liked. I liked the days 4425 03:55:15.879 --> 03:55:19.360 when you could buy I'd go buy a Blu Ray. 4426 03:55:19.440 --> 03:55:21.799 I liked the idea that I was forced to go 4427 03:55:21.920 --> 03:55:25.200 buy a blue ray. Ask me too, and I would 4428 03:55:25.239 --> 03:55:28.799 get the digital copy with it. Sure, see that that 4429 03:55:29.120 --> 03:55:32.000 was something that I liked doing. Now I don't buy 4430 03:55:33.360 --> 03:55:35.799 any anything, any Blu rays because I'm not going to 4431 03:55:35.840 --> 03:55:37.440 watch a Blue ray. And this is another I'm going 4432 03:55:37.520 --> 03:55:40.799 to watch a digital thing, you know, like yes, they're 4433 03:55:40.879 --> 03:55:44.920 they're you know, because everything you know, I watching it 4434 03:55:45.040 --> 03:55:46.680 on you know, Apple TV. And once I got an 4435 03:55:46.680 --> 03:55:49.319 Apple TV, it was game over, you know, goodbye, good 4436 03:55:49.360 --> 03:55:52.840 bye discs. I'm sorry, I loved you. I still have 4437 03:55:53.000 --> 03:55:55.239 some forgot to have my office. I still keep a collection, 4438 03:55:55.760 --> 03:55:57.079 you know, like their fucking antiques. 4439 03:55:57.239 --> 03:55:59.399 And the amount of people who stopped getting paid when 4440 03:55:59.440 --> 03:56:02.239 you stop buy those DVDs is infinite. 4441 03:56:03.239 --> 03:56:09.399 It's it's listen, it's it's way. It's it's true. It's true. 4442 03:56:09.559 --> 03:56:13.360 And the only reason the only reason why I allowed 4443 03:56:13.440 --> 03:56:17.479 myself to kind of shift completely over into buying is 4444 03:56:17.559 --> 03:56:23.360 because I was able to yes, correct, It wasn't necessarily 4445 03:56:23.399 --> 03:56:25.959 a choice, it was a well shit, I don't need 4446 03:56:26.000 --> 03:56:27.879 to do that anymore. Yeah, yeah you do. 4447 03:56:28.040 --> 03:56:31.200 You definitely don't make that shift with any evil intentions. 4448 03:56:31.479 --> 03:56:34.239 And look, the things people always get twisted about these 4449 03:56:34.319 --> 03:56:37.399 kind of commentaries is that we somehow are suggesting that 4450 03:56:38.200 --> 03:56:40.479 somebody is at fault for making a poor choice along 4451 03:56:40.559 --> 03:56:42.959 the way. No, what we decry is that we had 4452 03:56:43.040 --> 03:56:43.520 no choice.