Speaker 1: Oh this is it. This is what it looks and
Speaker 1: feels like. Boss on on Ona con con con conk.
Speaker 2: Come king our first show after the death of Hull Coogan,
Speaker 2: man in our last before we take the stage August third,
Speaker 2: Comedy Village, Times Square, High Noon, in between nights one
Speaker 2: and two of Summer Slam. Yes, and it's as if
Speaker 2: you know, the gods delivered upon us a perverse, a
Speaker 2: perversely perfect set of circumstances going into the show because
Speaker 2: we had a feedback show, we wanted to clear the
Speaker 2: mailbag out. But man, is it going to have a
Speaker 2: whole lot more punch after the death of.
Speaker 1: Hull Cogan, a whole different can of worms now, Jesus, you.
Speaker 2: Know, folks who are in the moat tier on Patreon
Speaker 2: would have heard us sharing the call with each other
Speaker 2: as JP got to me first on the death of
Speaker 2: Hull Cogan.
Speaker 1: It's a rarity these days, absolutely shocked.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: We've course shared with you audio of our appearance on
Speaker 2: the Josh Nason Wrestling Observer show punch Out, where we
Speaker 2: talked the day of the news about hul Cogan and
Speaker 2: what his passing means to wrestling fans of our vintage.
Speaker 2: In particular the type of wrestling fans that would you know,
Speaker 2: cast their lot with TLF. So we've said a lot,
Speaker 2: but it feels like we're just kind of getting started.
Speaker 1: Where are you at? You know, it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's very hard, you know. I I've definitely
Speaker 1: had some difficulty separating the man from the character. Yep.
Speaker 1: And there's you know, because there's definitely obviously there is
Speaker 1: so much you know, people are going razy co razy
Speaker 1: on social media everywhere in regards to you know, this
Speaker 1: guy's a piece of shit. You know, he's not really
Speaker 1: worth your time and he's not worth remembering. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I I just can't because to me, that's just a
Speaker 1: little too narrow. I don't have to celebrate the man,
Speaker 1: but I will celebrate the character and how I felt
Speaker 1: about him, yeah, during my youth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's an all kind of mature on
Speaker 2: that front.
Speaker 1: It's hard. I mean there there there are some times
Speaker 1: where it feels like it's just it's very black and
Speaker 1: white in regards to whether or not you should celebrate someone. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we know he's he tainted his legacy without a doubt
Speaker 1: over the last several years longer even, I mean the
Speaker 1: last like fifteen years, he's really just tainted his legacy
Speaker 1: with just stupid, stupid stuff and and and and really
Speaker 1: just showing who he kind of really is as he
Speaker 1: got older. But but I also can't deny the fact
Speaker 1: that the character had an impact on me when I
Speaker 1: was a kid.
Speaker 2: The fact that we have to underplay that, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like had an impact, had an impact.
Speaker 1: It the only reason a podcast like this exists. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that that's that's it. That's it. And so
Speaker 1: I I I I do feel like it's okay too
Speaker 1: to eulogize the right word.
Speaker 2: You know, I feel especially comfortable because no one's done
Speaker 2: more than we have to lay this man's flaws barrel
Speaker 2: exactly exactly everything you know about the particulars, not just
Speaker 2: the broad strokes, but the particulars, about all that stuff
Speaker 2: with with the the tape recorded racist comments and the
Speaker 2: sex tape and all that stuff. All that is you
Speaker 2: know what happened with Nick and the jailhouse phone tape said,
Speaker 2: that's you know, the deep texture of it, because you
Speaker 2: listen to this podcast TNH in particular, So you can't
Speaker 2: say we haven't done our penance on on that part
Speaker 2: of the the legacy. For lack of a better word,
Speaker 2: you know, my god, I just watched the smack down.
Speaker 2: It's like they gave him less of a tribute than
Speaker 2: Chris ben Waugh. Now, of course, I know that's not fair,
Speaker 2: but considering.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd think they'd give him a whole show.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Old Cogan would have gotten a whole show if
Speaker 2: not for all the racism stuff, for sure. And he
Speaker 2: would have gotten a whole show if he wasn't Boots
Speaker 2: so vociferously coming back years after that whole scandal. That's
Speaker 2: it's not just that it happened and he said these things.
Speaker 1: It's that I mean, it's also that he goes that
Speaker 1: that that he shows support for Trump. There's just this
Speaker 1: that's true. That was an extra that's right. That did
Speaker 1: add spice to the soup for sure. At the end,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's like, you know, a flare
Speaker 1: comes out and kind of kind of still gets cheered
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's like the verdicts in folks, Okay, racism
Speaker 1: is worse than sexual assault. I'm sorry to report that
Speaker 1: being the case, people still advocate for Chris Menoir in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. So apparently racism is even worse
Speaker 1: than murder. I guess so.
Speaker 2: But the you know, the death fault Cogan puts a
Speaker 2: lot of important things on the table, but for us
Speaker 2: in particular, obviously, it's I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: a matter boss looking back between lapsed fan before when
Speaker 2: you know, laps fan when Hogan was alive, and lapsed
Speaker 2: fan when Hogan had passed.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, it really is. I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: it's still a weird thing. Like honestly, I'll I'm the
Speaker 1: the mornings since I'm walking my dog in the morning,
Speaker 1: and it just kind of hits me while I'm walking
Speaker 1: the dog. You know, it's almost like I almost can't
Speaker 1: believe it. You know, I thought for sure he'd sold
Speaker 1: his soul to the devil so badly, he was going
Speaker 1: to last a long time. But I guess only one
Speaker 1: person what he embraced Christ as a savior. He was
Speaker 1: on the way down, you know. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: It was when he was, you know, involved in all
Speaker 2: kinds of ignominious stuff that he seemed to be surviving
Speaker 2: despite all odds. I mean, the guy I've said it
Speaker 2: a hundred times. You know, hul Cogan should have been
Speaker 2: the one right off in the sunset, and he had
Speaker 2: the messiest fucking post wrestling life one could possibly imagine
Speaker 2: in terms of all he built up from the wealth
Speaker 2: of capturing our imaginations all those years that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just goes to show you that none
Speaker 1: of them really can good luck, you know, like stone
Speaker 1: Cold was probably stone Cold in the Rock were probably
Speaker 1: the best cases, but then they ruined it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, Rock still littling it. He still needs it,
Speaker 2: he still needs wrestling. Yeah, I know he's not sure.
Speaker 2: John still needs wrestling. I mean, this whole retirement tour, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, they should have been done participating
Speaker 2: in anything on screen with the W tow from an
Speaker 2: angle and match perspective, both of those guys consider the
Speaker 2: success they've had in Hollywood. They should have been done
Speaker 2: ten years ago. Yes, they should not. Still Rock should
Speaker 2: have been done. Rocks should have been done in in
Speaker 2: in ninety four, in two thousand and four. Yes, when
Speaker 2: they didn't renew was contract, you should have been done.
Speaker 2: They should not still need whatever it is performing in
Speaker 2: WW gives them, but they do. And so here we
Speaker 2: are yep. And of course the questions have come in
Speaker 2: what are we going to do as a podcast? You know,
Speaker 2: we've set this standard around tribute shows and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: appropriately appropriately tipping our cap to people that have been influential.
Speaker 2: You can't you can't get bigger than Hull Cogan on
Speaker 2: that front at all, because you can't get bigger than
Speaker 2: Hull cogu.
Speaker 1: And we have done so much already in the archives.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is so much that's that's part of
Speaker 1: the that is part of the problem, you know for
Speaker 1: us anyway, is that there is so much that's done.
Speaker 1: I mean, so much of his his career, so much
Speaker 1: of his life has been covered by us.
Speaker 2: So here's what we can tell you since the day
Speaker 2: we started The Lapsed Fan a little over ten years ago,
Speaker 2: covering SummerSlam nineteen ninety one. Interestingly, that's right, that's right, Hulkamania,
Speaker 2: with all its brilliance and warts, has washed over this podcast.
Speaker 2: So it was the decade prior for JP and I
Speaker 2: as we huddled in a dorm room chortling about Hulk
Speaker 2: Hogan's masterful politics and limpooning his paranoia as he had
Speaker 2: returned to WW and instantly seamlessly remade ww in his
Speaker 2: image all over again. Yeah, giving us the red and
Speaker 2: yellow back before we realized we wanted it again.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So it was the decade even before that, as we
Speaker 2: came of age, children of the tail end of Hulkamania
Speaker 2: and the Hasbro era, piecing together the decade of Hogan
Speaker 2: that we missed as toddlers, piecing together how this shiny
Speaker 2: jacked charisma machine came to be by begging our parents
Speaker 2: to go to the video store and rent yet another
Speaker 2: Holisem video drawn in by a video jacket cover art
Speaker 2: of Hogan juxtaposed with the foe of the day. I
Speaker 2: always wondered what the decade after hul Cogan's death would
Speaker 2: look like around these parts, a podcast like this, a
Speaker 2: wrestling industry like this, a society like this. Whenever that
Speaker 2: time came, I felt relatively certain we would have covered
Speaker 2: it all. For what was the initial spark behind even
Speaker 2: doing the Lapsed fan if not to have a reason
Speaker 2: to go back and watch Hull Cogan matches right, I
Speaker 2: mean seriously, and to compare our notes with each other
Speaker 2: on set matches. And it turned out compare our notes
Speaker 2: not only with each other, but with thousands of lapsed
Speaker 2: fans across the world on what Hogan was, how he'd
Speaker 2: find a way to our hearts, and how he taught
Speaker 2: us the dark arts of staying relevant and never missing
Speaker 2: a trick. Yes, but then we thought, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: this is the lapsed fan we unapologetically stew in the
Speaker 2: juices of the past. It's true, that's where the subtled
Speaker 2: truth is after all, And for hull Cogan, now there
Speaker 2: will be no more violent twists and turns on what
Speaker 2: seemed like an annual basis completely upended our sense of
Speaker 2: what hul Conkin's legacy will even be. I know, no
Speaker 2: more beer launches or wired taps, or political rallies or
Speaker 2: abrupt religiosity or shunned grandchildren or tearful ex wives that
Speaker 2: we know of or who knows you know? Or how
Speaker 2: about banished best friends to account for you. No more
Speaker 2: extra logs on the bonfire of apologies that you have
Speaker 2: to make and personal belief provis those you have to
Speaker 2: issue before celebrating the man Hulk Hogan performed for the
Speaker 2: audience that was in front of him, whether it was
Speaker 2: one to one via his son through a jailhouse glass
Speaker 2: or a surreptitious recording to another man's wife discussing who
Speaker 2: his daughter was dating, or before a reality show crew
Speaker 2: of probably like ten people who totally took over his
Speaker 2: Tampa mance, or before five hundred thousand people at WrestleMania
Speaker 2: three yep. To spend time trying to parse out who
Speaker 2: the real Hulk Cogan was is missing the whole point.
Speaker 2: Hulk was whoever he needed to be, as the vicissitudes
Speaker 2: of celebrity threw him curveball after curveball, and we at
Speaker 2: TLF we need hulky Mania is still run wild in
Speaker 2: a real weird way, at least for the next little while.
Speaker 2: If Hull Cogan washed over everything we have done to date,
Speaker 2: then we're in the privileged position to say that will
Speaker 2: continue with an even greater focus and commitment to pinning
Speaker 2: down why this guy was central to so much. As
Speaker 2: much as we've covered in tremendous detail about Hulkogan, from
Speaker 2: his first WWF title win to his Awa and Japan
Speaker 2: exploits with Bockwinkle and Mudha, to the first Saturday Nights
Speaker 2: Made Event and his role and becoming his whole role
Speaker 2: in Saturday Nights Made Event and becoming a thing, to
Speaker 2: his pivotal role in the George of Horrin and Vince
Speaker 2: mcmann's steroid trials yep. To the nineteen ninety four Bash
Speaker 2: of the Beach just last Time, his WWW and his
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six Bash of the Beach w W Hill
Speaker 2: Turn and his two thousand Bashes at the Beach legal
Speaker 2: showdown with Vince Russeau. And how about f U N B.
Speaker 2: Hulk Yes to the rise and fall of the nWo
Speaker 2: and the rise and fall of TNA with him involved,
Speaker 2: to the first Nitro and Postumania and Last Nightro and
Speaker 2: this incredible film career I'm going to get there, okay,
Speaker 2: and a Gawker trial, every single one of his movies
Speaker 2: under the cinemat, a series that in fact started with
Speaker 2: Santa with Muscles, it did started with Hulk.
Speaker 1: Look at that. I mean, that's it starts with Hulkogan
Speaker 1: all the.
Speaker 2: Way through to the Secret Agent Club, including that to
Speaker 2: literally getting on a plane, literally getting on a plane
Speaker 2: to Detroit, yep, so that we could walk the rubble
Speaker 2: of the Pontiac Silver Dome in search of clarity as
Speaker 2: to why hul Cogan was such an avatar for all
Speaker 2: we had and all we lost of all that upon
Speaker 2: his passing on July twenty fourth, at the age of
Speaker 2: seventy one. We were inundated with pay per views shows
Speaker 2: and topics that we didn't get to before Hulk passed.
Speaker 2: Everybody wanted to know, Hey, you know, what about this show?
Speaker 1: What about that one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And you know, it would have been unthinkable standing here
Speaker 2: on the death of Hulkgan when we first started TLF
Speaker 2: that we would have anything left to do about Hulkogen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just seemed like that's all we were here to
Speaker 2: do was just watch Hulkogan right again in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways, but the cast evolved and people asked different
Speaker 2: things of us, and we asked different things of ourselves.
Speaker 2: So in fact, a lot of well to Zeric Bischoff's
Speaker 2: analogy apples have been yet to be clicked from the tree.
Speaker 2: Ogan's contributions were so vast that even after doing this
Speaker 2: for a decade, we still have tapes to pull off
Speaker 2: the video store shelf, don't we, Boss.
Speaker 1: I mean more than you'd think. You know, you'd think
Speaker 1: that we would have we would have covered more, but
Speaker 1: we did not.
Speaker 2: We still have nooks and crannies, nicks and crannies to
Speaker 2: collar in before we can lay the Hulkster to rest
Speaker 2: around these parts presenting. Going forward, we're going to be
Speaker 2: calling the Complete Hulk Hogan, our wholehearted attempt to systematically
Speaker 2: cover everything about Hulk Hogan that we never got to
Speaker 2: when he was here on this earth with us, from
Speaker 2: his earliest days wrestling in Florida, Alabama, Memphis, and Georgia
Speaker 2: to his first tours of Japan and winning the inaugural
Speaker 2: i WGP title against Antonio and ok to all of
Speaker 2: those Saturday Night's main events, and has anyone who listened
Speaker 2: to our Tnh's Journey or our Bash of the Beach
Speaker 2: ninety four episode can attest we've occasionally been overtaken by
Speaker 2: a feeling that we're getting a last chance to say
Speaker 2: goodbye to Hulk Hogan. These things came out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: but seemed to uncandidly be followed by real life twists
Speaker 2: and turns. I mean, Boss, we did Bash at the
Speaker 2: Beach ninety four. The fake Hogan dies. The guy who
Speaker 2: dresses up like him dies, I know, I mean that
Speaker 2: guy who's followed him around for for forever. You know,
Speaker 2: he was at WrestleMania seven. He's at Bash.
Speaker 1: The beach. This guy goes followed Hulk Hogan everywhere. I
Speaker 1: even know his name.
Speaker 2: That's it, Yeah, his face and that Hulk himself. The
Speaker 2: day our deep dive of Bash at the Beach ninety
Speaker 2: four dropped, completing our coverage of really the last real
Speaker 2: monumental thing in a lot of ways that he did
Speaker 2: that we haven't covered yet.
Speaker 1: Hit the feed.
Speaker 2: He died that day, and we were inspired to do
Speaker 2: it because because of the chatter that he might be
Speaker 2: in more ill health than his immediate circle would let
Speaker 2: on publicly. We thought, let's do this, but I did
Speaker 2: not expect it to happen and click in So dare
Speaker 2: I say poetically, but there we stood, mouths agape, jaws
Speaker 2: dropped that the way it did end up playing out,
Speaker 2: and what it means going forward, We've occasionally been, like
Speaker 2: I said, overtaken by a feeling that we're getting a
Speaker 2: last chance to say goodbye to this guy. And this
Speaker 2: starts all the way back when Oh my God, JP
Speaker 2: to me. It's part of the same thing when we
Speaker 2: both devised a caricature of Hulk in our heads. Is
Speaker 2: someone obsessed with visual pinfalls, Yes, And what happened once
Speaker 2: we created that whole idea in our mind that this
Speaker 2: is Hulk Hogan's sort of personality, that he just by
Speaker 2: all means is trying to prevent anyone from ever seeing
Speaker 2: him with his shoulders down on the floor, even in public,
Speaker 2: even in any and that he has to grab pinfalls
Speaker 2: on anybody who could be a threat to his torch.
Speaker 2: As we decided to put it, yep.
Speaker 1: What happened.
Speaker 2: We sat down to watch raw YEP, and they beat
Speaker 2: the shit out of the Rock building up WrestleMania eighteen.
Speaker 2: The nWo did, and he still had to get the
Speaker 2: visual pinfall. He gets it, He gets it, He pins
Speaker 2: the rock and Scott Hall counts the three. We watched
Speaker 2: in hyper real amazement as hul Cocain insisted uncovering Rock
Speaker 2: for a visual three count with no ref wasn't a match.
Speaker 1: It was an angle. Yeah, but it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: like that what happened last week? You know, kind of interesting.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 1: What if I kind of like lay down on you, dude,
Speaker 1: and you, you know, we gotta do the three count?
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you obviously it's not a match, brother,
Speaker 1: but what if he kind of like, what if he
Speaker 1: had something it's a heat, dude, Heat brother. So we're
Speaker 1: talking about heat and heat to you know, WrestleMania, brother,
Speaker 1: because I know, I know for sure, No DJ, I
Speaker 1: know for sure. Man, they are gonna boo the hell
Speaker 1: out of me in Toronto. Yeah, they never liked me
Speaker 1: in Toronto. Dude.
Speaker 2: He gets all that, he gets heaped with all that
Speaker 2: praise for doing the honors for Dwayne and Toronto. Yet
Speaker 2: he comes He's WW champion in a month running the
Speaker 2: whole fucking show and he got a one two three
Speaker 2: on Rock on television before the thing even happened. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: for what that's worth. But to see that happen as
Speaker 2: if we wished it into existence, and then to see
Speaker 2: halt pass when we get the sudden kind of cosmic
Speaker 2: signal that we really ought to do this show. Now
Speaker 2: it's July Bash of the Beach July. It just it
Speaker 2: just made a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And here we are, I think, equally amazed as we
Speaker 2: were back when we watched that Monday Night Raw and
Speaker 2: he pinned the rock for no reason.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, no question. I got to say.
Speaker 2: It feels like we've said goodbye to Hull, Cogan and
Speaker 2: all he meant to our generation time and time again
Speaker 2: on the lapsed fan. But we can take as long
Speaker 2: to say goodbye as we damn well please. This will
Speaker 2: be about filling the gaps, because amazingly there are many.
Speaker 2: Or to settle the score. Yep, we're all to settle
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: The big event yep, wrestle Fest. How about the very
Speaker 2: first Survivor series at ninet eighty six, right, how about
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty eight Summer Slammer the Megapowers take on
Speaker 2: the Megabusks. How about the nineteen eighty nine Royal Rumble
Speaker 2: where the fateful Ready Savagehull Coke and Wrestleminia five man
Speaker 2: event was set up. How about we look at all
Speaker 2: the Saturday night's main events. How about we go to
Speaker 2: WCW and do all the stuff from ninety six before
Speaker 2: he turned heel super Brawl. What about Halloween Havoc that
Speaker 2: year where he had turned heel and had the wig
Speaker 2: on his head?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How about super Brawl the next year? How about Bashes
Speaker 2: at the Beach with Dennis Rodman, which he of course
Speaker 2: was absolutely instrumental and making happen in ninety seven and
Speaker 2: ninety eight. What about when he tried to go back
Speaker 2: to the red and yellow in ninety nine at Fall
Speaker 2: Brawl against Sting.
Speaker 1: Well, exactly what about that? What about made if any Sting?
Speaker 1: What about Fall Brawl? What was it?
Speaker 2: The type AI strap deathmatch in March two thousand against Flair?
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 4: The what it was?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah? Put the poo poo? Yeah, one of those
Speaker 1: Kevin Sullivan words.
Speaker 2: What are those Kevin Sullivan Encyclopedia Britannica given, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: the final pay per view match he had with Flair?
Speaker 2: What about the XWF experiment and yes and yes?
Speaker 1: What about the two thousand and two return, what about
Speaker 1: Backlash and Judgment Day and King of the Ring? What
Speaker 1: about what about No Way Out nWo? All over that show?
Speaker 1: I mean, looks listen that memory. They even did it.
Speaker 1: No Way Out nWo right there, No Way Out. It's
Speaker 1: like the show was made for them back in nineteenninety eight,
Speaker 1: Backlash O five or Summer Slam O six against Randy Orton.
Speaker 1: So many moments in between. For the shows I just listed,
Speaker 1: and perhaps more, you can expect traditional lapsed fan shows
Speaker 1: about each and every one of these events. So it's
Speaker 1: not just going to be as we've done with the
Speaker 1: other tributes, just Hogan's match, We're just gonna do the
Speaker 1: events that ought to have been done about hul Cogan
Speaker 1: as we would.
Speaker 2: Have before he passed. We're just going to use that
Speaker 2: as our orienting principle for as long as it takes
Speaker 2: in show selection going forward. As part of the complete
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan. Now, of course, we will do the episodes
Speaker 2: that aren't just built him around an event, but built
Speaker 2: around time periods. We're going to go systematically a year
Speaker 2: through year, and this will be a chance to do
Speaker 2: things that people have asked us to do for years.
Speaker 2: When we come up to a wrestlingmania that we've already
Speaker 2: covered as part of the thirty Week Journey, and so
Speaker 2: much more has come out subsequent to those recordings as
Speaker 2: to the context and potential research around those events, this
Speaker 2: will be our chance. Hulk Hogan will once again be
Speaker 2: the reason that we check so many boxes that the
Speaker 2: lapsed fan is thirsty four. It's be a chance to
Speaker 2: do all that. There's be a chance to get into
Speaker 2: so much more than we had at our disposal when
Speaker 2: we did Star K ninety seven, for instance, against staying
Speaker 2: and all that's been said since discovered and uncovered sense
Speaker 2: about the nature of that debacle all the way along
Speaker 2: the way, we hope to fill in gaps and if
Speaker 2: nothing else, we will be happy when our time on
Speaker 2: the earth is over that the lapsed fan catalog will
Speaker 2: have been the absolute quintessential guide to Hulk Hoges's career. Yes,
Speaker 2: but the shows I just listed and perhaps more again,
Speaker 2: those traditional treatments coming your way, but we know because
Speaker 2: Hogan is so central to them. Even if we do
Speaker 2: these shows in the traditional way we do pay per
Speaker 2: view events, they'll be about paying tribute to Hulk as well.
Speaker 2: Maybe not as gratuitously, but every time we do one
Speaker 2: of these events that are built around houlk Cogan in
Speaker 2: the main event, and there are so many across WWFNWCW,
Speaker 2: you'll get the sense that this is, even if not
Speaker 2: directly a tribute to Hulk Hogan in a way. We'll
Speaker 2: be systematic about this, making sure the full Hogan era
Speaker 2: is a purportly emblazoned in the catalog. And folks, we
Speaker 2: need your help because we can only see so far
Speaker 2: out in the distance. You know what's coming. You felt
Speaker 2: the power of Hulcay and you just like the rest
Speaker 2: of us. Tell us what you remember about the most
Speaker 2: significant moments along the way by emailing us God yes,
Speaker 2: please at the lapsed maan at gmail dot com. After all,
Speaker 2: it may be quite a while before we do another
Speaker 2: feedback episode, So get that feedback in. Tell us where
Speaker 2: along the way from the birth of Terry Boleya to
Speaker 2: the death of Terry Boleya, we absolutely must pause to
Speaker 2: reflect on significant things he did said appearances he may
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be matches, doesn't have to be big
Speaker 2: pay per view events, doesn't even needn't necessarily have to
Speaker 2: be television. Whatever it is that impacted you about Hulkgan
Speaker 2: and all of his time in the business, let us
Speaker 2: know about it so that as we go systematically year
Speaker 2: through year, we can make note of it and again
Speaker 2: reach our potential as the place that Hulkgin's the biggest
Speaker 2: wrestling legacy we can imagine, is fully ensconced. So let's
Speaker 2: send us not only printed, you know, typed emails, but
Speaker 2: also audio testimony. Remember that from the good old days
Speaker 2: we see these kind of audio clips during the WrestleMania
Speaker 2: journey of people just recollecting verbally what it all meant.
Speaker 2: Make sure we don't miss anything, any little nugget that
Speaker 2: you feel like you uniquely may remember about Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 2: anything he said done, send it to us, tell us
Speaker 2: what it's connected to, and we'll try to make the
Speaker 2: complete Hulk Cogan as much about your memories as it
Speaker 2: is about ours. Absolutely, we may lose other giants along
Speaker 2: the way while doing this. We are fully cognizant of that.
Speaker 2: We may lose Rick Flair in the middle of this.
Speaker 2: Maybe we may lose Vince McMahon in the middle of this.
Speaker 2: Maybe paying tribute to them in the main feed, we'll
Speaker 2: just have to take a back seat to the Holster.
Speaker 2: The truth is, for us, we wouldn't care nearly as
Speaker 2: much about a Vince McMahon or Rick Flair, or Kevin
Speaker 2: Nash or Alex Luger or Bob Bckland, or a Sergent Slaughter,
Speaker 2: or a Jake Roberts or a Brett Hart. How even
Speaker 2: Vince Russeau, Eric Bischoff, Brutus Beefcake, Jimmy Hart, any of
Speaker 2: the other subjects we may be called upon to pay
Speaker 2: tribute to during the course of the complete hul Hogan.
Speaker 2: Any of these people we may be called on to
Speaker 2: reflect on during this duration. If it wasn't for Hulk Cogan,
Speaker 2: we probably wouldn't be called upon to tribute for them.
Speaker 2: The complete Hulk Hogan will be in recognition of that fact,
Speaker 2: they'll have to wait because Hulk goes on last brother,
Speaker 2: and damn dude, it's got creative control, and Hulp must pose.
Speaker 2: We'll do all the shows, all of them. Everything we've
Speaker 2: done to date has stealed us for this, all of
Speaker 2: us in the Tlef Solar System to rise to this
Speaker 2: challenge uniquely, and when it's over for us, it'll feel
Speaker 2: something like the completion of a life's work in every
Speaker 2: sense of the word.
Speaker 1: Can I get a hoof Heller my brother, brother brother?
Speaker 1: And it's oh shit? And that wasn't exciting And it's part.
Speaker 2: Of this uh you know, wall to wall coverage. It's
Speaker 2: like a state funeral. You know that's going to last
Speaker 2: a year and a half. I don't even know how
Speaker 2: long it's going to be.
Speaker 1: I listen if it if it last, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I I I know a number of these things are
Speaker 1: gonna last. I mean this this is the even obviously,
Speaker 1: including like you know, the show list that we've come
Speaker 1: up with is is just kind of it's just the shows,
Speaker 1: and it's not like the episodes in between right where
Speaker 1: we're going to be doing things, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: because if you look at it, there's there's not We
Speaker 1: have no shows in nineteen ninety one ninety three. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's stuff that didn't happen. Yes, that
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about exactly, you know. So it's like
Speaker 1: these are these are all there, this is this is
Speaker 1: going to be a very a very very ambitious, lengthy
Speaker 1: girthy thick. I don't tribute. I suppose.
Speaker 2: Sure it's an exercise and unfinished Yes, you're fuck my life.
Speaker 2: It's an exercise and unfinished business. And I think our
Speaker 2: hope is that when it's done, you'll be able to
Speaker 2: look at the TLF catalog and say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: they did Survivors Series eighty seven. It was part of
Speaker 2: the whole contribute, but it stands as the Survivors Series
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven episode they would have done even if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for Hull Co con Tribute vibes.
Speaker 1: So that's the idea.
Speaker 2: There's so many shows that people have wanted us to do,
Speaker 2: so many shows that people cross their fingers and hope
Speaker 2: we'll get to one day. And they almost all involve
Speaker 2: hul Cogan, they really do, so let's fucking do them, yep,
Speaker 2: you know. And that's another reason to do the call
Speaker 2: out for audio. It's like, you know, the hopper and
Speaker 2: stuff people might have to look if this is one
Speaker 2: of your shows, just send us that fucking audio, you know,
Speaker 2: because this is going to be this is going to
Speaker 2: be the mission here. This is going to be the
Speaker 2: orienting principle, Like let's really let's really make sure that
Speaker 2: there's nothing of significance that hull Cogan really did that
Speaker 2: doesn't live and breathe in the TLF archives because it
Speaker 2: makes all the sense in the world. And I can't
Speaker 2: wait to see the twists and turns ahead because already
Speaker 2: having to scratched the surface with our cabal of folks,
Speaker 2: this is there's some stuff in here, man, that we
Speaker 2: didn't even know we wanted to know about hul Cogan.
Speaker 2: We didn't even know we could know about hull Cogan.
Speaker 2: That's to come. I mean, what we know about Stirling Golden, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: We know it's a punchline, right, I know very little
Speaker 2: Eich side of Jimmy Barnett calling him that, well, after
Speaker 2: he fucking retired the gimmick you watch like Hogan and
Speaker 2: Andre mix it up in Alabama before they ever went
Speaker 2: to New York. Please, yes, how did he become Hulk Hogan?
Speaker 2: We can nail it down, yes, And we have already
Speaker 2: so much done that it's that much more attackable. You know,
Speaker 2: if we if he died on year one of the show,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we'd be like, what do.
Speaker 1: We fucking do? I mean? You have right?
Speaker 2: I mean the whole just called the lapsed hul Cogan. Right, Well,
Speaker 2: that's what it would have been. And frankly, we probably
Speaker 2: just wouldn't have done it. We probably, no, we can't
Speaker 2: just you know what I mean, we would have just
Speaker 2: bounced around more and just done an episode in recognition,
Speaker 2: like we did with so many that passed along the way.
Speaker 2: But I think because we've done so much already, we
Speaker 2: know that there aren't these massive mountains still to climb.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of like those. What we have to
Speaker 2: do is document the valleys. The peaks are already in
Speaker 2: the catalog, right, all the research is done and it's
Speaker 2: all there. From the trial to TNH to bash it,
Speaker 2: the each to his WWF jump from Awa to the
Speaker 2: Super Sunday A w A stuff. It's already in there,
Speaker 2: all the WrestleMania's, the Sid come Back all that stuff
Speaker 2: or the Sid Retirement, all the movies are in the
Speaker 2: Under the Cinemat archive on Patreon yep. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I think this works. I think this
Speaker 2: probably is the appropriate time to go whole hog on
Speaker 2: Hogan one last time because we've done so many of
Speaker 2: the huge monumental things that it actually feels attackable instead
Speaker 2: of something that we should shy away from. You know
Speaker 2: what you want from us, and we're going to give
Speaker 2: it to you, but we're going to give it to
Speaker 2: you exactly how we want to give it to you. Yes,
Speaker 2: as we always have, and in that fashion, as we've
Speaker 2: you know, turned over in our minds, the different ways
Speaker 2: that we can rise to This particular occasion coming up
Speaker 2: is mentioned already August third of the Comedy Village and
Speaker 2: Times Square TLF takes the stage one more time as
Speaker 2: the lapsed Fan invades Times Square and thanks to so
Speaker 2: many members of the Solar System who we know are
Speaker 2: going to be joining us in NYC, we thought to
Speaker 2: ourselves this must be in recognition of what we've learned.
Speaker 2: We can't just go forward with the show that we
Speaker 2: planned before at Absolute Crown Jewel and the Lapsed Crown
Speaker 2: falls out. So announcing here and we want you to
Speaker 2: bring your best if you come and join us at
Speaker 2: the Comedy Village, a vigil for Halcochen will be part
Speaker 2: of our live noontime Sunday, August third Comedy Village Extravaganza.
Speaker 2: Come with your memories and be prepared because I know
Speaker 2: a lot of members of the Lapsed Fan Solar System,
Speaker 2: in particular the Rogues Gallery Oh Yes, are going to
Speaker 2: come with their deepest and most sentimental reflections as well
Speaker 2: for losing the Hulkster and what it means to have
Speaker 2: lost the Haltster. So a very special time expected. Tickets
Speaker 2: still available Comedy Village dot com. We'd love to see
Speaker 2: you there, and we're going to do it right, and
Speaker 2: we're going to send the Halster off at least from
Speaker 2: a live show the.
Speaker 1: Way it ought to be done.
Speaker 2: I think we can, yes, and already you know, of
Speaker 2: all the Hogan shows we've already done. We'd also encourage
Speaker 2: you to reach out and say, hey, you missed this.
Speaker 2: You missed that because we weren't always so as anybody knows,
Speaker 2: it's listened to us from the beginning research heavy. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that we probably could have
Speaker 2: said about Hull Cogin and things that have come out
Speaker 2: about hul COVID around some of these events that we
Speaker 2: didn't say or we didn't commit.
Speaker 1: To the record. Yeah, and we're gonna you know, and
Speaker 1: it's a convenient thing too, that we're gonna kind of
Speaker 1: be touching upon every single year, you know, every single
Speaker 1: year that we've done, and so it is a good
Speaker 1: time to kind of fill in any holes in that
Speaker 1: regard that that we might have might have missed or
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, I'll be uh, I'll be perfectly happy
Speaker 2: if the first ten years of TLF is understanding all
Speaker 2: of the intrigue around Hull Cogan in the second half
Speaker 2: is just getting all that whole coke and stuff rewatched
Speaker 2: and just figuring out what it all meant. I mean,
Speaker 2: why not that that that's that's the only thing that
Speaker 2: feels appropriate right now. But I guess we will see
Speaker 2: you August third, next summer with you from Times Square.
Speaker 2: Of course, we'll also have our Summer Slam in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, two night live call up for patrons. I
Speaker 2: know you're looking forward to that, Boss, We're.
Speaker 1: Going to be doing. Oh yes, wonderful doing a.
Speaker 2: Rarely seen both co chairs in the same room live call.
Speaker 2: It's been some time, that is true. I don't recall
Speaker 2: the last time we've done a live call in person.
Speaker 1: Ever. When have we done one?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the very first one was WrestleMania thirty
Speaker 2: four at.
Speaker 1: Twas Oh that's true, all right, that counts, I suppose,
Speaker 1: but not really.
Speaker 2: We did the one you know when you were living
Speaker 2: in Jersey before we went out. That wasn't for WrestleMania,
Speaker 2: but that was like NXT or whatever, the weekend of
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame stuff. We were in the same
Speaker 2: room watching some of that. But no, I mean, with
Speaker 2: the exception of the ones where we're live in the
Speaker 2: arena trying to do live calls with screat fans everywhere.
Speaker 1: Right, this is a return to form and kind of
Speaker 1: be very fascinating. This will be like be like watching
Speaker 1: WrestleMania twenty two in the dorm room exactly, So you
Speaker 1: want eighteen in the dorm room right on that on
Speaker 1: that stream such as back then, Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: like the image changed every six seconds, so ridiculous. But
Speaker 1: we still knew Hogan the Rock was a classic. We
Speaker 1: still were going nuts. Did we did? Yes? We did?
Speaker 1: Uh we that's insane. The best we could do. We
Speaker 1: didn't have the ability to order cable pay per view
Speaker 1: in the dorms back then, and we didn't. Why did
Speaker 1: we go? Do we not know about the Hoots? I
Speaker 1: guess we did not know about the Hoots yet? Nope, okay,
Speaker 1: just a crying shame. But it was that run crazy
Speaker 1: that we're finally going to get be able to get
Speaker 1: into as part of the complete Hulkgan that two thousand
Speaker 1: and two run that really solidified our our habitual wrestling
Speaker 1: watching together there in so many ways. So we have
Speaker 1: the whole stort of thing for that as well. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so you want to make sure a Patreon dot com
Speaker 1: Slash the Lapse fan is locked and loaded that you're
Speaker 1: correct on that front, because live calls are coming, a
Speaker 1: lot of content is coming, of course, under the cinemat's
Speaker 1: back rocking. We just you know, if we're going to
Speaker 1: do Bash at the Beach ninety four and Gene and
Speaker 1: heenan are going to mention having done a movie called
Speaker 1: Time Master that we have never even heard of. You
Speaker 1: better believe that shit got fast tracked, because that's why
Speaker 1: Under the Cinemat exists. You're damn fucking right. That's what
Speaker 1: we do. That's how we fucking roll and listen. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what was?
Speaker 3: What was? What?
Speaker 1: What did you learn? What was the most important thing
Speaker 1: you learned during Time Master?
Speaker 2: I think more than anything, it's at the Dutch angle
Speaker 2: keeps the film interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: This is an example of a Dutch angle. Because of
Speaker 1: the canted angle of the camera, it remains interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: It remains interesting. I mean, you have no idea. If
Speaker 1: that annoyed you, that means that means it was interesting
Speaker 1: to begin with, of course, and it has remained interesting
Speaker 1: thanks to the cleverness and the industriousness. Like the director
Speaker 1: who you just heard from patting himself on the back.
Speaker 1: If that annoyed you, you have no idea how much
Speaker 1: more it could annoy you If you listen to this
Speaker 1: entire episode of Under the Cinemat, probably the second worst
Speaker 1: movie we've ever watched. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: The director's kids are in there. They do not belong
Speaker 2: on a big screen at all. They are not actors.
Speaker 1: No, nope, nope. It's it is a it is it is.
Speaker 1: It is a masturbatory opus. Yes correct, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. And it's just it's a it's
Speaker 1: a it's a travesty, you know, because what what what travesty?
Speaker 1: That's a travesty. What it really came down to is this,
Speaker 1: This is why it bothered me. Okay, it came down
Speaker 1: to the fact that the you know, you look at
Speaker 1: you look at almighty thor Okay, yes, that is obviously
Speaker 1: an awful movie with awful visual effects, with awful performances,
Speaker 1: with awful everything, but not a lot of money was spent.
Speaker 1: And you can tell that a lot of money was
Speaker 1: spent on this movie, not necessarily hundreds of millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: but way more than was spend an Almighty four, no question.
Speaker 1: And that, to me is what's so awful about it,
Speaker 1: is that you spend that much money and you come
Speaker 1: up with that piece of shit. But hey, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm the cinema's for.
Speaker 2: And Heenan and Jean's role is just fantastically fleeting. I
Speaker 2: mean it's just yes, for no reason they're in the movie.
Speaker 2: It's tremendous to see it. Really, I mean, there is
Speaker 2: no reason for them to be in the movie at all.
Speaker 2: The fact that they never mentioned it in all the
Speaker 2: shoot interviews they did.
Speaker 1: Later in life.
Speaker 2: I bet I could find anyway, I know tells you
Speaker 2: all you need to know. You would think their one
Speaker 2: film credit would be something that they tout. You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't even mention it. Nope, it's horrible and it's
Speaker 2: available under the cinema. You're damn right as is since
Speaker 2: the last time we were with you on a mailbag show.
Speaker 2: Fucking epics like Jaws and Spotlight. I mean, folks, yes,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what to tell you besides like,
Speaker 2: get on the fucking boat. Because cinemat is putting things
Speaker 2: down history right now. We're finding wrestling connections and these
Speaker 2: all time classics once upon a time in the West, yep.
Speaker 2: These are what we call proofs of concept.
Speaker 1: And and and also I'll tell you you know, one
Speaker 1: of one of my favorite things, specifically over the last
Speaker 1: year has been finding people that we don't know anything
Speaker 1: about that have a wrestling connection, that are wrestlers that
Speaker 1: are involved in the business that they're just they're involved
Speaker 1: in a way that you know, it's, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better term, they're just not it's it's too small,
Speaker 1: Like their contribution is important, but it's also not something
Speaker 1: that's going to be written about right on websites and
Speaker 1: newspapers and and to be able to find them and
Speaker 1: talk with them and and uh, you know, from Tony
Speaker 1: Van Silva last year to to Glenn Glenn Cain huge,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's it's to me that it
Speaker 1: offers a whole different perspective and opens different uh possibilities
Speaker 1: indoors and and and and knowledge about the wrestling business
Speaker 1: and in ways you know that at least for me,
Speaker 1: I would never I would never have thought we would
Speaker 1: have ever gone into on this show. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: ye like I would have never thought we would have
Speaker 1: We would be we would be talking about the you know,
Speaker 1: the the various British styles of professional wrestlers, useraate and
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been such a unique way to get at
Speaker 2: historical figures in the business that never would make sense
Speaker 2: for the way we do the main show. But you know,
Speaker 2: they make one movie appearance and we're on our way,
Speaker 2: and that is the case for a lot of turn
Speaker 2: of the century wrestlers, international wrestlers. To your point, you
Speaker 2: just think about, like during Carni's or Forever, getting acquainted
Speaker 2: with uh, you know, the wrestlers in those movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you're you're to Tanaka brother yep, I mean,
Speaker 1: and so many that we Peter by No, it's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, I mean, and and then again, and so
Speaker 1: many that we didn't even we didn't even know, no clue,
Speaker 1: you know that we didn't even we didn't even uh
Speaker 1: hadn't even remember the wrestling bear from Octopussy, Like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck, what's happening here? Okay, wrestling Bear just crazy.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's so much fun. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's great to see it really hit
Speaker 2: astride And that's available for your Patreon dollar exclusively for
Speaker 2: the the executive producer tier and above. Of course, we're
Speaker 2: rocking and rolling on the pro wrestling teas and chopped
Speaker 2: teas for us as we continue rolling out merch and
Speaker 2: it's it was actually kind of heartening to see upon
Speaker 2: the passing of the Hulkster focusing. You know what, I
Speaker 2: need that brother shirt, Hey, I love it to Steve
Speaker 2: and Chris who we saw grab at. The Lapsed Wrestling
Speaker 2: Association shirt and the a w A format, of course,
Speaker 2: are a lot of the reason we went on the
Speaker 2: Life and Death of a w A Journey Boss was
Speaker 2: because we just couldn't. We needed to satisfy our curiosity
Speaker 2: about Hogan before coming of.
Speaker 1: Course, I mean right, and seeing that that that legendary
Speaker 1: matchup between he and Bockwinkle, you know, like that's just
Speaker 1: it was crazy. There's so much more to available to
Speaker 1: us now than there was ten years ago. By the way,
Speaker 1: speaking of Hogan too, by the way, you know, I
Speaker 1: forgot that this shirt even up, you said, Progrestling Teas
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Speaker 2: Brother, Brother, Brother, and I agree, needless to say, wow,
Speaker 2: so very very much there for you. When it comes
Speaker 2: to SHWAG, when it comes to items that pay unique tribute,
Speaker 2: think of the section eleven sub paragraphe You know, yes,
Speaker 2: these are things that say at all about Hulk that
Speaker 2: no one even was saying brother question mark stop the boots,
Speaker 2: So stop the boots sign at atn n XT one time.
Speaker 2: I mean, folks, Oh, you're welcome, okay, Hulk, you're welcome.
Speaker 2: Solar system, You're welcome.
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Speaker 1: That one, that's a weird one. Would be surprise. I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised if we moved many units of that one.
Speaker 1: You've been talking to Frank. It's a huge ques It's
Speaker 1: I came about the parrot. But I have no fucking
Speaker 1: idea why. Oh, I mean, just answer the question.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's exactly it what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Of other things. We got the f U n B
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Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a tour. Hulk Cogan's life
Speaker 2: and times are our apparel stores and so much more so.
Speaker 2: We would love to hey look forward to seeing some
Speaker 2: folks uh in New York City wearing some lap swag
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: That would be highly.
Speaker 2: Appropriate and maybe indeed I'll I'll wear my brother the shirt.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you better bring that jacket. Oh you got
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Speaker 2: the the vaniest among us can yes, gobble that one
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Speaker 2: With you know so much birthdays and holidays coming up
Speaker 2: on the holidays, you don't want to avail yourself of
Speaker 2: our availability on on cameo. And uh, like I said,
Speaker 2: live calls up the wazoo, including a very successful experiment
Speaker 2: that we did with the a W Live calls for
Speaker 2: the Hall in Show where Mama Sorrow joined us. Yes,
Speaker 2: we did available still a la carte purchased per match
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Speaker 1: Don't forget the Terry the Terry Yaki brother shirt, Terry
Speaker 1: Aki brother Ichi ban Ichi ban ye Ichiban. It's it's
Speaker 1: all there, It's it's the whole hull. Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: I I just forgot. I forgot about some of these shirts.
Speaker 1: It's chop A Mania even like Udi Mania and truck
Speaker 1: Hogan Harukamania, the Japanese yah so stupid. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here. I'm looking at a canvas piece that
Speaker 2: Chroma Slamb did of me, surrounded by a bunch of wrestlers,
Speaker 2: including Hulk Hogan. I'm looking at a wall hanging from
Speaker 2: Tom Fleming, the former w w f R department employee
Speaker 2: that we had on and mural that he did for
Speaker 2: the lobby of Titan Towers with the whole dead center.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a Hulk Hogan has bro redone to
Speaker 2: look like Cidy dy Udy Mania courtesy of our friends
Speaker 2: down in Florida. Gonna come see us soon. I got
Speaker 2: a Hulk Hogan fucking uh what do you call it?
Speaker 2: Three D printed headphone thing here with his mustache's.
Speaker 1: He's everywhere he is.
Speaker 2: Bookcase, the bookcase is screaming at me with all kinds
Speaker 2: of Hogan stuff.
Speaker 1: Remember remember he was. He was listed as a John
Speaker 1: Doe in Uh, yes, the rules and we have rules,
Speaker 1: do rule rules. I was going through some of Crova
Speaker 1: Slamsulk shirt Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I was going through some of the Chroma Slamb's Journey
Speaker 2: art that he's done. You've seen on our ex account
Speaker 2: when we post like the list of episodes like we
Speaker 2: just did for t n H. He's always got such
Speaker 2: a wonderful like of the journey in one image and
Speaker 2: that's and that's the trial of his life. It's Hogan
Speaker 2: in a ring with dough rules on his shirt, striking
Speaker 2: a pose. And I was like, oh yeah, dough rules
Speaker 2: because he was referred to as John Doe in the
Speaker 2: George Hornan trial because they wanted to avoid publicity around
Speaker 2: him and putting things on file in court that would
Speaker 2: create more of a media stir.
Speaker 1: So tremendous, So tremendous.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, what did you say to me before
Speaker 2: we started recording? He said, Hulk Coogan's dead. Yeah, said
Speaker 2: it again? Why did you say it again?
Speaker 1: I I because it's not real yet, was it ever.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point. We don't
Speaker 1: know if he's really dead. Just remember that could mean
Speaker 1: his death. I meant justice his life real, but his
Speaker 1: life real. We don't know is his death reeal, We
Speaker 1: don't know? You know.
Speaker 2: The thing I know from Hulk his life is a
Speaker 2: series of runs and run ins. We're about to embark
Speaker 2: on one more run for the hulksterre here with.
Speaker 1: The and what about what about? You know? Maybe he's
Speaker 1: on that island that we always use to talk about, brother,
Speaker 1: at Hawaiian Island where you know people go when they
Speaker 1: quote unquote die brother, brother, brother, May you be there?
Speaker 1: I don't know? You tell me I know? Brother? Great point.
Speaker 1: So what the fuck is up?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 1: What you know about it? Nothing? Nothing down. Let's go
Speaker 1: to the mail bag. What do you say?
Speaker 2: Let's do it last time for the Holster to begin
Speaker 2: with at least this is the summer mail bag, and
Speaker 2: we'll be going through as we go and give shout
Speaker 2: outs to folks that we know will be joining us
Speaker 2: at a comedy village as well, who've been kind enough
Speaker 2: to let us know, like count on me pal, they
Speaker 2: they answered the bell as far as sending a little
Speaker 2: confirmation our way. So Chris, I want to thank you
Speaker 2: very much and look forward to uh, he's coming to
Speaker 2: his third live show, wow, expecting it to be a
Speaker 2: doozy Dave Murray. This is our practice on these meil
Speaker 2: back shows. We also want to thank folks who have
Speaker 2: since the last time we mailbagged, pledged to us on
Speaker 2: Patreon and decided that we're worth actual money. So thank
Speaker 2: you very much to us, to Dave Murray for his pledge.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Austin who's going to be taking a
Speaker 2: bus from the DC area to make the show. These
Speaker 2: folks are not going anywhere near MetLife. Okay, that's what
Speaker 2: I love. That's what I fucking love.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, oh, so Ww's coming, So we'll do
Speaker 1: the show and we'll get the fans like well, actually
Speaker 1: most of them are just coming to see us.
Speaker 2: I know, it's hard to believe. That's the fucking truth.
Speaker 2: Andrew on Patreon in light of SummerSlam ninety one being
Speaker 2: added to the vault, Yeah, this WW vault thing, we got.
Speaker 1: Our eye on that. Okay, can we talk about that
Speaker 1: real quick?
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, I don't know where they found the
Speaker 2: person behind that or the people behind that, but you, sir,
Speaker 2: have our fucking endorsement, and that's hard to say, because
Speaker 2: we you know, I set a high bar for.
Speaker 1: That ship, and you have our attention. Best way to
Speaker 1: put it all right, like we are all these great
Speaker 1: American bashes, fucking the I just they have a Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Slam show. Those shows have not been available before.
Speaker 1: Sunday Night Slam has not been available before the network.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? They're getting dirty?
Speaker 2: They're getting dirty and LATAs SummerSlam ninety one are very
Speaker 2: first show being added to the vault. In hul Cogan's passing,
Speaker 2: I re listened to episode one. You two start the
Speaker 2: death toll early on because ten dead is a big number.
Speaker 2: Ten dead, that's a big number. God, they're ten dead
Speaker 2: in that show, on that show. Yes, there were ten
Speaker 2: dead when we did it.
Speaker 1: You think about it.
Speaker 2: Now, he says, gentlemen, I must report that in July
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, some eleven years later, we now
Speaker 2: stand at twenty three dead. Oh no, we have added
Speaker 2: Butch Virgil, Animal, Bobby Heenan, Renee Gulay, Pat Patterson, Howard Finkel,
Speaker 2: Roddy Piper, gene Oakerland, General Adnan, Colonel Mustafa sid Justice,
Speaker 2: and Hulk Hogan to the list. By my account, he
Speaker 2: writes there now officially more dead and than alive from
Speaker 2: the Slams ninety one. Whoa I repeat, he writes, more
Speaker 2: dead than alive. The one thing we must hold on
Speaker 2: too in these times is that the warlord could be
Speaker 2: the last man standing, God.
Speaker 1: Willing, God willing. Can do you believe that? That's no,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that. Actually, that's hard. That's hard to
Speaker 1: hate to hear.
Speaker 2: It just never never occurred to me when we started
Speaker 2: doing this that, yeah, we might do it through everybody leaving.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It just seemed like they were timeless and we'll just
Speaker 1: revisit it and it'll be great. Are they ever gonna die?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Why would they. Let's get to what Jeff had to say,
Speaker 1: Boss if you can. Hey, guys, I'll get to Hogan
Speaker 1: in a minute. But a quick thought on Gene and Heenan.
Speaker 1: This recent mini journey has been just as much about
Speaker 1: them as Hogan. Well, Hogan brought you in the door.
Speaker 1: The humor of those two kept you hooked in those
Speaker 1: weeks in those week two week programs build the built
Speaker 1: to the next time you saw a Hulk on TV.
Speaker 1: Gene and Bobby were like your uncle and grandpa, like
Speaker 1: when your dad would take you to breakfast and meet
Speaker 1: with the men of the family without mom and grandma around.
Speaker 1: The jokes were a little dirty, a little crass, but
Speaker 1: never anything too far. You snickered because you got the
Speaker 1: joke and were allowed to laugh without having to explain
Speaker 1: how you knew that joke was funny. It's true. It's
Speaker 1: a good point. I can never I don't know, I
Speaker 1: never really got. I don't think I had breakfast. And
Speaker 1: I would have never had breakfast my grandfather and my
Speaker 1: dad alone because that just would have been okay, that
Speaker 1: would have been awful. That went awful. My grandfather was
Speaker 1: much nicer to his grandchildren than he was to his own.
Speaker 1: Kids understood so like it just would not have happened.
Speaker 1: It would never happened. But I appreciate the sentiment. I
Speaker 1: definitely had moments where my I can remember something like
Speaker 1: the early dirty jokes my dad would share, like just
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, my shit, like you you
Speaker 1: understand that. In my mind, it was like it was
Speaker 1: like it wasn't like how do I know that, It's
Speaker 1: like how.
Speaker 3: Do you know that?
Speaker 1: Old man?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a that's a funny, that's a funny say. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So on to Hogan. I don't remember a day where
Speaker 1: I wasn't a Hulk of maniac. Based on your conversations,
Speaker 1: I assume I am two or three years younger than
Speaker 1: you both. I don't and remember anyone sitting me in
Speaker 1: front of the TV and saying, this is wrestling. This
Speaker 1: is Hulk Hogan. He is the good guy. Just always
Speaker 1: seemed like wrestling was on TV and Hulk was my favorite.
Speaker 1: It's strange because my parents weren't wrestling fans. My dad
Speaker 1: was very much the I'm not I'm not watching this
Speaker 1: Fike stuff type. But I always remember having the Hulk
Speaker 1: Hogan wrestling buddy, the Hogan l JN, the Hogan has
Speaker 1: bro hell. There's photos of my fourth birthday and the
Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan cake, And like you, I know, I watched
Speaker 1: Hogan and Warrior as a kid, but I have no
Speaker 1: idea if it was live or VHS someone or VHS
Speaker 1: someone put on for me. But I'll never forget how
Speaker 1: strange it was to see the face paint worn off
Speaker 1: Warriors face. That's it, you know that. That's probably one
Speaker 1: of the most unsettling things as a wrestling fan when
Speaker 1: you're a kid when you know that a wrestler has
Speaker 1: face paint and then you see it kind of chip
Speaker 1: away throughout the course of the match, and instead it's
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, no no no, why yeah,
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? Didn't one time and wrestle
Speaker 1: mamia say like, is he losing his skin? Like you
Speaker 1: didn't understand that it was paint? Yes? Right, oh awful.
Speaker 1: I continue to love wrestling in the Bread era. However,
Speaker 1: like most, I became lapsed by ninety five ninety six.
Speaker 1: But baseball was as much to blame as anything else.
Speaker 1: My summers were devoted into playing baseball. But when I
Speaker 1: got back to school in nineteen ninety six, the kids
Speaker 1: were talking about WCW. I knew WCW, would never really
Speaker 1: watch it. However, Raise or Ramone and Diesel were now
Speaker 1: partners with Hulk Hogan, and they were bad guys and
Speaker 1: they use their real names. I don't know about Hollywood
Speaker 1: Terry Blaya. That wouldn't Yeah, I understand that I was
Speaker 1: hooked again. I had to see this. That's actually fucking funny. Hollywood,
Speaker 1: Hollywood Blaya, it's pretty awesome. Instead of Bollywood it's Balaya.
Speaker 1: Would well, oh, my god, No, Bollywood blaya. That's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fucking funny. Bollywood Bulaya. Okay, there's a shirt. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do that one I had. I had to see this.
Speaker 1: Hold on, What is fuck's going on? Here? Oh? Sorry?
Speaker 1: A program came up and all of a sudden just
Speaker 1: said I'm closing now, just letting you know that I'm
Speaker 1: You've ignored me long enough, so I'm going to close. Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks program. For better or worse. I was hooked on
Speaker 1: wrestling through two thousand and two ish, when life, dating,
Speaker 1: and a social life was more important than continuing to
Speaker 1: watch wrestling. I often wonder if it was healthy for
Speaker 1: me to be a wrestling fan, for any of us
Speaker 1: to be wrestling fans. It's not. No, that's an easy one. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not healthy. It's it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a drug addiction. It's a bad addiction. It's it's
Speaker 1: gonna listen, Being a wrestling fan is going to cause
Speaker 1: you way more harm than good. When being frustrated by
Speaker 1: the product makes you watch it more, that's when you know,
Speaker 1: right exactly. The millennials who didn't watch wrestling weren't conditioned
Speaker 1: to terms like jobber, mid Carter, main eventor preserving your spot.
Speaker 1: It definitely had a negative effect, as I often worried
Speaker 1: about not being a Maine venter in real life, when
Speaker 1: most well adjusted people weren't worried about this kind of
Speaker 1: dumb Carnie ship. You gotta have a little bit of
Speaker 1: that Carnie in yet I wasn't gonna come in Andy,
Speaker 1: Let's fucking go. Jim knows, Jeene fucking knows knows.
Speaker 2: Exactly how to handle it. I want you to know
Speaker 2: that when we did the Patterson What's up? Boss, that
Speaker 2: was him. That was when we recorded Pat Patterson himself
Speaker 2: saying that is you saying brother?
Speaker 1: Not because kind of sounds like him. He kind of
Speaker 1: sounds like him for real. That's why I did it out.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't think he's ever said brother
Speaker 1: like that, like just that calmly.
Speaker 2: That's from the Wonderful Crumbslam mash up where he goes
Speaker 2: omelets knobs, omelets knobs, Brother, what brother, dude?
Speaker 1: There some vegies of those almost dude, excuse me, he
Speaker 1: said a lot there, which was a little almostude. What
Speaker 1: you put some veggies in those almost dude? Knobs Veggies brother.
Speaker 2: And we asked Brian Kobbs to his face, what Hulk
Speaker 2: likes for breakfast? Because of all this ship.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing. I mean, poor fucking crippled
Speaker 1: Brian Knobs. Okay, let's think about that. What kind of
Speaker 1: podcast is this? Remember that when we asked him that question.
Speaker 1: Just tell us what he likes for. I don't know
Speaker 1: what do you ask me this for. It's a culinary
Speaker 1: it's a culinary podcast.
Speaker 2: We do a podcast about what wrestlers eat. That's a
Speaker 2: great that'd be a great like excuse stastic.
Speaker 1: Food question, would it? Would we we specialize in wrestler cuisines.
Speaker 1: Is when you think about the Ahmed Johnson interview we did,
Speaker 1: what do you remember? I just remember sausage and cheese,
Speaker 1: sausage and cheesy from fucking seven to eleven sitting on
Speaker 1: his desk there, Oh my god, Johnson, what a trip.
Speaker 1: And of course meat sauce. You know you can't that's
Speaker 1: it now, the great sauce, sausage and cheese and omelets.
Speaker 1: There we go with that. That's the name of that's
Speaker 1: the name of the wrestler Wrestlers Eating podcast. Right, there
Speaker 1: was a corner. Before Hogan died, I thought to send
Speaker 1: you an email asking the question quote, does it used
Speaker 1: to be better? Include Turner employees being embarrassed to sell
Speaker 1: ad space during wrestling? Yes, yes it does, Yes, it does. Okay.
Speaker 1: The fact that they're okay with that is not Is
Speaker 1: this not okay? All right? Like they need to be
Speaker 1: miserable wanting to sell ad space to pro wrestling like
Speaker 1: I want to talk to the people. Yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: are they really bringing this ship? Oh my god? Our
Speaker 1: number one program is what wait wait, I'm sorry. You
Speaker 1: know you said this aw thing. I thought it was
Speaker 1: something legit. It's it's it's like that fake wrestling. Is
Speaker 1: that WrestleMania stuff? You're bringing WrestleMania to Turner Again, that's
Speaker 1: a way to put it. Well, we are about for
Speaker 1: the audience, but they don't actually own WrestleMania. But that's
Speaker 1: a whole different thing. Oh you get I can give
Speaker 1: you this this that my mom one point asked a
Speaker 1: question about ask me a question how she didn't understand
Speaker 1: that WrestleMania was a show owned by w WH Like
Speaker 1: she thought WrestleMania was like a brand essentially and that
Speaker 1: and that you know, oh, did did does oh does
Speaker 1: vins mick Man work for WrestleMania? Oh my god, Yes,
Speaker 1: while it was gonna take a long time. Mom Oh,
Speaker 1: it was amazing. Does it used to be better? Include
Speaker 1: sponsors in mainstream media avoiding wrestling like it was some
Speaker 1: kind of disease, Yes, yes it does. Those are the
Speaker 1: days we're find for. Yes. Hogan is the story of
Speaker 1: America Ronald Reagan to today. The faux patriotism of the
Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighties, followed by the shades of gray
Speaker 1: of the nineties that spilled over into the two thousands,
Speaker 1: the reality show era, and the damage of that era
Speaker 1: we still feel today. The quote everyone has a camera
Speaker 1: era hubbada, Oh yeah, hubbada, that's all he puts down
Speaker 1: in parenthes. Hbbada has to be out of retirement, hubbout
Speaker 1: who That followed the quote everyone needs to react to
Speaker 1: the headlines era, followed by this trash fire we stare
Speaker 1: into on a daily basis. Go, Jeff, Yeah, I'm jealous
Speaker 1: of the adult fan who sat in the crowd at
Speaker 1: WrestleMania three, the fan who only knew that Andrea the
Speaker 1: Giant was a character who turned on Hulk Hogan and
Speaker 1: now he asked to pay for what he did. He
Speaker 1: didn't know their real names, their real lives, whether they
Speaker 1: were shitheads or not. He went to WrestleMania, had a
Speaker 1: great time, and didn't think about his life for a
Speaker 1: few hours. He wasn't required to have an opinion or
Speaker 1: feel guilty for supporting these awful people. I feel warmness
Speaker 1: to my childhood again when I think about Hulk. But
Speaker 1: you cannot reflect on the fact that one of the
Speaker 1: last images of him healthy is a Donald Trump's shirt.
Speaker 1: Damn fucking right. This is again. This is the conundrum.
Speaker 1: This is the conundrum. Okay, you can't watch the tribute
Speaker 1: and not think about Triple H and Stephanie working with
Speaker 1: RFK Junior, a man whose health policies are making it
Speaker 1: harder for future patients to survive what Triple H survived
Speaker 1: with his heart. You can't think of friends who are
Speaker 1: going to be negatively affected by Linda McMahon. Also to note,
Speaker 1: I don't really spend time on social media or read it,
Speaker 1: but the people sitting around waiting to gatekeep other people's
Speaker 1: mourning is fucking gross. Yeah. I agree with that too,
Speaker 1: So Hulk. I've been listening to the Laps fan. Oh
Speaker 1: so Hulk. I've been listening to a LAPS fan for
Speaker 1: more than ten years, and every penny I've given you
Speaker 1: is worth it. From the beginning, what I've loved about
Speaker 1: this podcast is how it unlocked those memories of the
Speaker 1: birthday where I got my Hasbro ring and a huge
Speaker 1: collection of figures. How my grandma would call my mom
Speaker 1: in the summer to tell her to turn on Regis
Speaker 1: and Kathy Lee so I could see the wrestlers who
Speaker 1: got interviewed, and how I love this goofy form of entertainment.
Speaker 1: Thanks for everything. I can't wait to hear this mail box.
Speaker 1: Thank you Jeff for getting things started with some smoke.
Speaker 1: Damn right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of that. A turnover of eras,
Speaker 2: the turnover of the nature of the country all it's
Speaker 2: all there in hul Cogan Caleb Hamilton, we want to
Speaker 2: thank you very much for bumping up your pledge and
Speaker 2: sure hope you enjoy the vip tire on Patreon. Matt Anderson,
Speaker 2: welcome to the executive producer tear. Do enjoy under the
Speaker 2: cinemat and all else what privileges you too? Yep, Andrew
Speaker 2: is a good point in Patreon he writes, this is
Speaker 2: another part of the reason why you should pledge. I mean,
Speaker 2: some of the smartest, most insightful comments you'll see on
Speaker 2: the topics to Jore the pay per views we live
Speaker 2: call everything are on our Patreon feed. You've got to
Speaker 2: see the comments people put underneath these audiophiles. He writes,
Speaker 2: I invite you to imagine a world where most things
Speaker 2: stay the same, but Jeane and Heenan stay. Jeane is
Speaker 2: interviewing the Rock on Raw. Heenan is on the call
Speaker 2: instead of Lawlor. Forget it, what are we talking? I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just that I can't. I can't even I can't
Speaker 2: you fathom I can't. It's it's it's it's like what.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Row. I don't mind telling you, I'm
Speaker 1: here with my God. Can you imagine.
Speaker 5: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
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Speaker 1: Just so's the point that you've been made several times
Speaker 1: like all right, coming up? I got stone Cold Steve
Speaker 1: alson on a hotline.
Speaker 2: We know Hogan made it feel like it's supposed to feel,
Speaker 2: but he was on T once every two months. Yeah, okay, Yes,
Speaker 2: it was the stick men like Gene and Bobby and
Speaker 2: Gorilla and the rest, Vince, Jesse, Piper perfect, these people
Speaker 2: that would be the through line. They would be the
Speaker 2: scene setters, they would be the soundtrack Lord al Sean Mooney.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying everyone was great at their job. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that we could receive everything on kind of
Speaker 2: an equal level. Things were all Everything to us was
Speaker 2: interesting to a point because those people were the voices
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, gave so many wrestlers had starts in
Speaker 2: terms of getting our attention because it was the same
Speaker 2: voice that proclaimed magic when hul Cogan part of the
Speaker 2: curtain or sprung into action via Jesse Ventura or Bobby
Speaker 2: Heenan hyperventilating at the presence of a Hull Cogan. Paul
Speaker 2: writes on Patreon co Chairs, I don't believe you've covered
Speaker 2: Clash the Champions twenty six heen and ww debut. Yes,
Speaker 2: we were wondering about that during our batch of the
Speaker 2: Beach ninety four show, right, But he makes a good point.
Speaker 2: We may have played the audio shared in this episode was.
Speaker 1: Well, it was also with the time Time Master as well,
Speaker 1: because I've played the class right and I didn't well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if we'd covered it.
Speaker 2: It was while covering Suberbral four, which was Heenes's first
Speaker 2: w stub pay per view, that we touched on and
Speaker 2: probably played the audio of that debut. And Ram Mansou,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for increasing your pledge. Appreciate the
Speaker 2: vote of confidence. Matt wants us to know that what
Speaker 2: we should do for the Hogan Tribute is redo the
Speaker 2: first nine manias. It's the only Hogan story we haven't
Speaker 2: done properly. Well, I think in some ways we can
Speaker 2: kind of do that because yeah, I don't think people
Speaker 2: want us to deep dive the three hour plus broadcasts again,
Speaker 2: but there probably is some things when going systematically year
Speaker 2: through yearth with life and times of Hull Code and
Speaker 2: that we can say in and around WrestleManias. We were
Speaker 2: just talking about this, think about Saturgnite's main event and
Speaker 2: how so many of those set up WrestleMania's right exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of stuff and in the
Speaker 1: main event shows as well, you know, the live Friday
Speaker 1: night broadcast on NBC. You know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that we that we can we can use to
Speaker 1: help fill in blanks in regards to those and not necessarily.
Speaker 1: I've never I've never thought, even even shows as far
Speaker 1: back as summer some ninety one, I've never thought to myself, Oh,
Speaker 1: we should go back and redo it. Redoing it? I
Speaker 1: don't think that doesn't work for me?
Speaker 2: Brother, No, no, not quite, not quite in the and
Speaker 2: then this is a way to kind of do that
Speaker 2: without having to literally read these shows. Right, I think
Speaker 2: what will be will be great is and I'm realizing
Speaker 2: this as I talk. I probably should have realized this earlier,
Speaker 2: but it would be great if folks could just share
Speaker 2: us their top ten shows, like what are the ten
Speaker 2: pay per views or events that could be television specials
Speaker 2: that we absolutely must give the traditional lapse treatment to
Speaker 2: as part of this journey. And that is to say
Speaker 2: shows we haven't done before top ten because we've come
Speaker 2: up with a list of how many was it like
Speaker 2: thirty or something like that. Yeah, but that's just a
Speaker 2: spitballing going chronologically through what we know we haven't done.
Speaker 2: But we want to put it on you with much
Speaker 2: more restrictions. We want you to be the ones to
Speaker 2: decide instead of just boiling the ocean, if you really
Speaker 2: had to edit down the absolute essential, whole cocin, what
Speaker 2: are the shows that we haven't done that we should
Speaker 2: deep dive in traditional format? That I think is a
Speaker 2: key part of charting our course here. So among the
Speaker 2: many things we're asking you to send to the lapsed
Speaker 2: fan at gmail dot com are those lists, and we'll
Speaker 2: compare and contrast them. Of course, we're not going to
Speaker 2: commit to doing any one person's list, but if we
Speaker 2: see echoes across the list's boss, I think it's pretty
Speaker 2: safe to say yes, that show should be on it.
Speaker 1: Agreed, b C.
Speaker 2: We want to thank you very much for your pledge. Meyermania,
Speaker 2: thanks very much for all your support in your recent
Speaker 2: increase in pledge. Dorian writes on Patreon, it's part of
Speaker 2: me that doesn't want this episode to end. He's talking
Speaker 2: about what else Bash at the Beach nineteen ninety four Ye,
Speaker 2: in the wake of Hulkogan's passing. We've got a whole
Speaker 2: other round of comments on that episode because the new
Speaker 2: poignancy brought to it, he writes. Once it's over, there
Speaker 2: will never be an episode that will feel like this.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the death toll will take a long time to
Speaker 2: get used to with Hogan in it. Yes, yep, have
Speaker 2: you adjusted? No, Mike, I mean listen, can you imagine?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine like I mean, the the first show
Speaker 2: get when we get to the first show on this
Speaker 2: Hogan tribute that includes a death toll, He'll be on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's weird. It's weird, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's borderline unacceptable.
Speaker 2: I think we'd be comfortable by now, but we're actually
Speaker 2: entering the least comfortable phase we've ever been in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Mike writes subject line hoof Hey, coach chairs
Speaker 2: or hope you and yours are doing well. Good luck
Speaker 2: with August third and with how you proceed following the
Speaker 2: death of all Cogan. I'm sure you'll give myself and
Speaker 2: the rest of the LAPS fan solar system the best
Speaker 2: content tributing terry that is humanly possible. That said, you
Speaker 2: have welcomed ideas, and wilst I don't think my ideas
Speaker 2: are going to touch what YouTube geniuses will create for
Speaker 2: us lapsed fans, here goes eighties WWF. Crazy as this sounds,
Speaker 2: I feel like there is no need to go into
Speaker 2: too much detail into peak Hogan fame. TLF is, in
Speaker 2: and of itself, a Hogan tribute, always has been, and
Speaker 2: will continue to be one going forward. Every time you
Speaker 2: revisit the next set of three Colisseum tapes, you will
Speaker 2: teach us more about the Holtster. At that time, you
Speaker 2: will also still have at least four eighties pay per
Speaker 2: views to Deep Dive, not to mention Saturday Night's main
Speaker 2: event shows you can use to teach us more about
Speaker 2: Terry Hulk Cogan. I just think, is the next few
Speaker 2: years of TLF unfold, you could honor this part of
Speaker 2: his career life just by doing TLF business as usual. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're saying. Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's kind of it'll feel.
Speaker 2: Like we're just picking shows like we always do, but
Speaker 2: we'll just bias shows that Hulk Cogan was a part of,
Speaker 2: which is a lot of the ones that people want
Speaker 2: us to do anyway.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: He then writes seventies Slash two thousand and two WWFE
Speaker 2: run with the above in mind, I suggest rewatching key
Speaker 2: moments from No Way Out two thousand and two T
Speaker 2: and H style. It works when you both watch matches
Speaker 2: and segments during the episode. You've done it for Terry,
Speaker 2: Sid Virgil, et cetera, and it was mostly how you
Speaker 2: structured TNH. The only other thing I could think of
Speaker 2: is covering some seventy stuff that you may have access to.
Speaker 2: Don't know if you have his Heel run original match
Speaker 2: with Andrea et cetera. Well, we'll see about that. Awa.
Speaker 2: I know you both love the Aaba Journey way back
Speaker 2: when and it started with Hogan leaving. Perhaps there are
Speaker 2: a few big matches you may have access to that
Speaker 2: could be good to be included.
Speaker 1: We you know, I did stumble upon something. Oh really,
Speaker 1: if you have mischief in your voice, I do, I do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mind telling you right now that
Speaker 1: I forgot that I downloaded a while back. Ah an
Speaker 1: aw a tape from nineteen ninety the Best of Hull Cogan.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so we've got a lot of We've got
Speaker 1: some Hull Cogan stuff in there, like at least an
Speaker 1: hour's worth of Hull Cogan and stuff that, you know,
Speaker 1: probably stuff we haven't seen before. Probably yep, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they have the Bachwinkle match, but other stuff we haven't
Speaker 1: seen before.
Speaker 2: You know, I know that exact tape, and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to remember where along the way we incorporated that. It
Speaker 2: was probably the I know what it was. It was
Speaker 2: when we did the nineteen eighty four Genuarly ninetety four
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden Show where he beats Iron Cheek.
Speaker 1: For the title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, went through that tape a bit and try to,
Speaker 2: you know, pick out some of the the last vestiges
Speaker 2: of Hull Comania and in AWA because I know that
Speaker 2: Ye Eric Bischoff in a green screen, right is the MC.
Speaker 1: For thatsh Off right right, It's like it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's just crazy. How it's It's like, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's wild because obviously they can do it,
Speaker 1: they own the footage. How they were just trying to
Speaker 1: cash Oh yeah, ride.
Speaker 2: The wave because you know, somewhere in his mind, vern's
Speaker 2: like I made the fucking guy because the first time
Speaker 2: anyone said Hull Camania he was in the A w A.
Speaker 2: I mean, the first whole Camania t shirt was in
Speaker 2: the AWA. To deal with that reality, I mean, they
Speaker 2: put him in the ring and he was just so
Speaker 2: over as a baby face after Rocky three, that their
Speaker 2: original plans to have him be a mount monster heel
Speaker 2: managed by Johnny Valiant went right out the fucking window
Speaker 2: within a matter of months because after Rocky three he
Speaker 2: was just too fucking over. He was too the fans
Speaker 2: wanted him to be a good guy just so badly
Speaker 2: that they just went with it, and thus the whole
Speaker 2: coach and we all know was born. He writes, simply,
Speaker 2: put on, like Sid Terry Funk, Virgil Sabu would Hall,
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to keep doing show after
Speaker 2: show until you feel he's fully tributed. I feel like
Speaker 2: you'd be tributing him for several years to come. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it'll feel ograntic in that way. I know exactly what
Speaker 2: it means, perhaps until the cast comes to an end
Speaker 2: years down the line. Thanks for indulging my message is
Speaker 2: ever Thank you for the asked. You guys are a gift. Well,
Speaker 2: thank you, Mike, thanks for your support and for taking
Speaker 2: the time to write in some very insightful stuff there.
Speaker 1: Nick.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining that mote tier for
Speaker 2: only the bravest among us, and we understand it's a plunge. Sure,
Speaker 2: what a way to express support for what we do.
Speaker 2: And what a way to say, you know what this
Speaker 2: actually can be if you come real enough, you actually
Speaker 2: can make money. You know, like it's not just some
Speaker 2: like bullshit like you know, crying for penny stuff. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: you guys are doing something that deserves to be compensated
Speaker 2: like any high level production. And that's that's what's up,
Speaker 2: and that's the proof, and that's why people to this
Speaker 2: day just knocking our doors out of nowhere like hey,
Speaker 2: I saw, yeah, I know it.
Speaker 1: You saw you saw the Patreont number. I know its
Speaker 1: just saw Nick.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome to the
Speaker 2: Executive Producer tier, my friend. We appreciated Morgan Cameron. A
Speaker 2: lot of these folks jumped up because of the call
Speaker 2: we made available, the call between the Boss and I
Speaker 2: sharing the news of all covens passing. That available exclusively
Speaker 2: in the MOTE tier. So we want to thank the
Speaker 2: the new arrivals there. So that's Morgan included. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much for your momp. Jacob had a great email.
Speaker 2: We're going on and on about what we should do
Speaker 2: about Hogan, and we put a next post out there
Speaker 2: and an Instagram post asking people what we should do.
Speaker 2: Jacob just wrote, you should do an episode about hul Cogan. Thanks,
Speaker 2: I think we got that covered great.
Speaker 1: I think that's great.
Speaker 2: Tyler writes, I'm sure you're inundated with emails, so I'll
Speaker 2: keep this brief. I feel Backlash O two needs to
Speaker 2: be part of the Hogan coverage. Something tells me, Boss,
Speaker 2: when we get those top ten lists, Backlash OH two
Speaker 2: is going to be on most of them.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very, very, very popular.
Speaker 2: There's nothing more hul Cogan than the way he came
Speaker 2: back into that company and within a month Triple H
Speaker 2: was like losing to him. Triple H, the guy who
Speaker 2: could manufacture any circumstance he wanted to stay on top,
Speaker 2: the ultimate manipulator of circumstance, had to fall and pray
Speaker 2: at the knees of the Holkster. So satisfying to see
Speaker 2: happen in so many ways. He has to win that
Speaker 2: Stris app one final time. Tyler writes, Also, one show
Speaker 2: I've wanted needed for years now. Yeah, man, every show
Speaker 2: people have needed is going to be in this ho contribute.
Speaker 2: I think, right, I really have our time thinking about
Speaker 2: one of the real big we've needed this one for
Speaker 2: year shows that won't fit into what we're about to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's funny again, like you said, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting how all these shows are Hull Hogan.
Speaker 1: It's about Hull Cogan. It's not really you know, there
Speaker 1: aren't really other shows that people need that aren't Hogan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what they need about it is yep,
Speaker 2: as they know us at Hogan works, and so they
Speaker 2: just want all of it, you know, and we can
Speaker 2: only get to so much as the years have turned.
Speaker 2: Paul E cautiously writes on Patreon, Lap serendipity. Indeed, while
Speaker 2: if anyone was deserving a full journey as Hogan, the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four Bash at the Beach episode is a
Speaker 2: great sendoff for the Hulkster, and the chairman did an
Speaker 2: admirable job without knowing the eventual weait this episode would carry.
Speaker 2: I look forward to the decade long retrospective there about
Speaker 2: to unleash and unsuspecting but completely prepared Solar system. That's
Speaker 2: another thing. It's nice to know bosses, we know they're
Speaker 2: ready for it, you know, we know we've earned their
Speaker 2: trust by doing things like this for other wrestlers in
Speaker 2: the past or other subjects in the past, we would
Speaker 2: I think we probably would have been a little hesitant
Speaker 2: in those early days if Hogan died in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: to turn the whole thing over to a Hogan Michi.
Speaker 1: I also think too, you know. You know what what
Speaker 1: I think also helps is is I think why these tributes.
Speaker 1: I think why we feel comfortable doing tributes that can
Speaker 1: go long, forever and forever or for whatever need, you know,
Speaker 1: like doing you know what six months of Terry Funk.
Speaker 1: The reason we can do that is because we also
Speaker 1: have so much you know, already already locked and loaded
Speaker 1: in the chain totally from the past, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like we've we we built up credibility, We've
Speaker 1: built up confidence, and so it it can you know, it'll.
Speaker 2: I mean I get motivated to climb a mountain, but
Speaker 2: I get even more motivated to fill in you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, things that happen.
Speaker 1: Oh took care of that, to care of that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like the huge peaks the valleys are
Speaker 2: now about to be agressed. As I said, absolutely, I
Speaker 2: look forward to the decade long retrospective. Prepared Jack's closing statement,
Speaker 2: Paul writes of quote, Hulk Hogan is still Hulk Cogan
Speaker 2: and everything is going to be all right. Was perfect,
Speaker 2: that is in fact the last thing I said.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's freaking crazy that he died after that. Yeah, unreal. Well,
Speaker 1: we have a retrospective here from Gareth. This one is
Speaker 1: so great.
Speaker 2: This would have been one that really would have been
Speaker 2: lovely to land in our mailbox. As we went to
Speaker 2: the tail end of TNH, we're going along boss and
Speaker 2: we realize, my god, Hulk Cogan's last match was on
Speaker 2: some untelevised UK swing that they did in the Blue
Speaker 2: White Impact Wrestling days. I just can't where he just
Speaker 2: came out and you know, his T shirt and wind
Speaker 2: pants and sneakers and you know, technically participated in a match,
Speaker 2: and that that was the final wrestling match of Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1: Ish.
Speaker 2: It's part of why we had that kind of half melancholy,
Speaker 2: half celebratory feeling when he died, because we did ten
Speaker 2: H and we know that he did not go out
Speaker 2: as Hull Cogan should have gone out in the wrestling business,
Speaker 2: not even close.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean again again, it's like they
Speaker 1: don't let themselves do that. Apparently, not they don't allow themselves.
Speaker 1: I mean it's also it is it is hard. There
Speaker 1: aren't many people. There aren't many. Jerry Seinfeld's right, there
Speaker 1: aren't many, No, really are you know, David where Letterman.
Speaker 1: You know these guys who who who say, you know what,
Speaker 1: now is the time and they have the balls actually
Speaker 1: followed through with it because you look at you look
Speaker 1: at actors like even Sean John Stewart came back for more.
Speaker 1: He had a great send off. But even then, like
Speaker 1: think about people who retire a lot of times, they
Speaker 1: retire against Sean Connery after a movie tanks, right, you know,
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman, same thing, Like, here are these legendary actors
Speaker 1: who you want to almost go out, you know, on
Speaker 1: an Academy Award type movie, a movie where they win
Speaker 1: an Oscar or a movie that makes billions and billions
Speaker 1: of dollars. But they don't. They go out when something sucks.
Speaker 1: That's when they're kind of in the like that's it's
Speaker 1: it's the it's it's ballsy to actually go out on
Speaker 1: a high note. Yeah, you know, it's balls y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you don't overstay. You're welcome, and that's a very
Speaker 1: difficult thing. To get right right anyway, Dear co Chairs,
Speaker 1: the idea of having come on board just a little
Speaker 1: too late has always been an overwhelmingly overwhelming feeling for
Speaker 1: me when it comes to wrestling. Being around the same
Speaker 1: age as the co chairs, wrestling was always on my radar,
Speaker 1: although too young to remember barely anything as it was
Speaker 1: canceled in nineteen eighty eight. My grandmother was a huge
Speaker 1: fan of World of Sport British Wrestling on TV. Another
Speaker 1: thing we've done a decent amount of Under the Cinemat,
Speaker 1: only because of Under the Cinemat, only because of Under
Speaker 1: the Cinemat and Pat Roach, you know, specifically, if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, he was on on the last episode of
Speaker 1: the Wrestling I think we you know, and he talks
Speaker 1: about it in his book and he did a speech
Speaker 1: and everything, and I think we played it. We remember this, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we played an interview. Yeah, but a bit of And
Speaker 1: I was aware of the existence of WWE from the
Speaker 1: snippets i'd managed to catch on my aunt's house as
Speaker 1: they had Sky Television, but try as I did, my
Speaker 1: parents would not get us that prized satellite dish, so
Speaker 1: WW on free TV and whatever tapes I could beg
Speaker 1: Borrow and Steal were my only exposure as the final
Speaker 1: as the final years of w hul Comania war on,
Speaker 1: Yet everyone knew that Hulk Hogan was the man, and finally,
Speaker 1: around my ninth birthday in May nine ninety three, had happened.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I feel like I know where this is going.
Speaker 1: My parents were going to get Sky TV, yes, mainly
Speaker 1: as my dad wanted to watch Premier League football soccer,
Speaker 1: but it didn't matter. Having stayed overnight in my aunt's
Speaker 1: house to watch Wrestlmania nine live, Oh my god, it
Speaker 1: was finally happening. I could watch WWETV every single week
Speaker 1: from home, also taping every single show to watch again
Speaker 1: at my grandparents' house with my grandfather, who maintained that
Speaker 1: wrestling was a shoot until the day he died in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. I don't care the way you
Speaker 1: say over that. All right, I'm gonna tell you right now, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's fucking real. Those stupid cunts over in America telling
Speaker 1: you it's not real. It's fucking real. It can't possibly
Speaker 1: be real. It's real. Niceably, I love that. But as
Speaker 1: soon as I hit Gold, Disasters struck, wrestling was rapidly
Speaker 1: losing interest my school friends, who were all swapping wrestling
Speaker 1: stickers and having schooler discussions about SummerSlam and Surviversaries ninety two.
Speaker 1: We're moving on by night. By SummerSlam nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: I was barely the only kid still watching, and even worse,
Speaker 1: the stars I was so desperate to watch were disappearing
Speaker 1: week by week. Who the fuck are men on a mission?
Speaker 1: Why is the MOUNTI now called Jacques? Where the real
Speaker 1: stars like Warrior Gune? And why isn't Macho Man wrestling anymore?
Speaker 1: But it was Hulk, but it was okay. Hulk was
Speaker 1: the WWE champion and the rest I could live with.
Speaker 1: We know the rest, and Hulk was gone by SummerSlam.
Speaker 1: That's the funny thing. I just love that he's not
Speaker 1: gone by SummerSlam. To me, No, he's gone by King
Speaker 1: of the RG. Oh yeah, but because he's in the UK,
Speaker 1: that's the last summer but not him. Yep, exactly. The
Speaker 1: house shows they were promoting on Sky against Yokozuna led
Speaker 1: to nothing on TV. Yep, Hulk popped up in WW
Speaker 1: but it wasn't the same. Yes, it was better than nothing,
Speaker 1: but this wasn't what I wanted. Even if me and
Speaker 1: Jeene and Heenan were there to keep him company. Over
Speaker 1: here in Europe, the steroid trial didn't make the headlines
Speaker 1: at all, so it was all so confusing. I wanted
Speaker 1: Hulk in the WWE. God damn it. I wanted it
Speaker 1: to be nineteen ninety two, WW Forever the stars I'd
Speaker 1: been deprived of all under the WW banner, just like
Speaker 1: I've longed for the nineties. Trump trundled on and I
Speaker 1: tried to catch up on the nineteen eighties and very
Speaker 1: early nineties stuff that I'd missed by way of borrowing
Speaker 1: or buying whatever Colisseum video releases I could get my
Speaker 1: hands on. Traveling to watch WB or even WW wrestling
Speaker 1: shows wasn't an option growing up in rural Wales. Traveling
Speaker 1: to England's big cities just wasn't something you did. But
Speaker 1: as we know, by twenty ten, Hogan was in TNA,
Speaker 1: the promotion I've been most closely following since the mid
Speaker 1: two thousands. Man, you poor son of a bit.
Speaker 2: That's why TNA was so big in the UK. It
Speaker 2: was a chance for this generation to experience a lot
Speaker 2: of those stars.
Speaker 1: Yeah yuess So as adults and with Hulk on the
Speaker 1: poster and now working and in a position of having
Speaker 1: disposable income, it was a no brainer. But little did
Speaker 1: I know that a house show at Manchester Arena in
Speaker 1: January twenty twelve was to be the Big Man's final
Speaker 1: match ever. Attending the show with a friend having only
Speaker 1: expected a Hogan promo, the show wore on, but come
Speaker 1: mean of end time, still no appearance. Was he going
Speaker 1: to even show up? A six man tag? And I
Speaker 1: of the Tigers started to play as hulk Amnia was
Speaker 1: displayed on the big screen. Fuck. No one had seen
Speaker 1: Hulk come out to I of the Tiger since around
Speaker 1: eighty six. I was a kid again. Never before or
Speaker 1: since have I regressed so much to the extent that
Speaker 1: I was a nine year old kid again, transfixed on
Speaker 1: the TV as Hulk Hogan waltzed out with his disgusting
Speaker 1: black eye at WrestleMania. I mean, think about this too, Okay,
Speaker 1: remember remember.
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 1: What WrestleMania thirty five? Thirty five? The one I went
Speaker 1: to in uh yeah, the last one went to Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: And I and I you know, the first match we
Speaker 1: know is gonna be They're going to open with uh
Speaker 1: with Seth and Brock, and I decided I didn't care
Speaker 1: that much, and I'm gonna go get my kid some
Speaker 1: some you know, a shirt or a toy or something
Speaker 1: like that. But then as I'm walking, as I'm walking
Speaker 1: down from our nosebleed seats, and I leave the arena
Speaker 1: for two seconds, and then all of a sudden, Real
Speaker 1: American comes blaring on and I run back up to
Speaker 1: our seat so we can record that ship because I
Speaker 1: knew and I'm not gonna miss hul Kogan in WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: no fucking way, exactly exactly. I mean, that's why listen
Speaker 1: if you listen to our Saturday Night's main event coverage
Speaker 1: from this past whatever it was December, you listen to that.
Speaker 1: Were we not excited at first to see Hulk Cocain?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the moment that the music hit, we scream,
Speaker 1: we go crazy, and then it slowly dawns on you that,
Speaker 1: oh wait a minute, this is the same guy who's
Speaker 1: a piece of shit. It's weird. It's a very weird thing.
Speaker 1: Because again, this is this is this is the this
Speaker 1: is the problem with being a wrestling fan because it
Speaker 1: is hard. It is hard at times to differentiate the
Speaker 1: man from the character, or the woman from the character
Speaker 1: or whatever, and that is that that's that's the that's
Speaker 1: the that's a huge issue, huge issue. Well, so many
Speaker 1: of them are the same and so many of them
Speaker 1: are not. The thing is. But the thing is, though,
Speaker 1: is that you can forgive the character. The character can
Speaker 1: be forgiven pretty easily. The human being behind it. Not
Speaker 1: always because the character you know, you love or you
Speaker 1: hate based on what they do in the ring on TV.
Speaker 1: You don't judge per se the character like you do
Speaker 1: the human being. I'm not gonna judge. Listen, the Whole
Speaker 1: Cogan character that I grew up with on on on
Speaker 1: as a kid in late ninety one and early ninety two,
Speaker 1: he didn't have sex at all. So there's no way
Speaker 1: there would be a sex tape because he's an a
Speaker 1: sexual individual. Okay, no wrestler had sex. In my mind,
Speaker 1: like I didn't even think about it. And there was
Speaker 1: no way that Whole Cogan was a racist, and there
Speaker 1: was no way that that Whole Cogan would support anybody
Speaker 1: who would destroy the or try to destroy the country.
Speaker 1: But that's not Terry Burlett, that's Hull Cogan. That's the
Speaker 1: character hul Cogan that that's that's the weird, that's that's
Speaker 1: that again, that's the problem. That is the problem because
Speaker 1: because they're so because we because that they're that they
Speaker 1: there was such that that blending of the fiction and
Speaker 1: the reality in wrestling, there that there has been because
Speaker 1: you got to begin. You know, they insist on on
Speaker 1: on portraying everything as a shoot. It's why you can't.
Speaker 1: It's why you know, you can watch say, okay, Star Wars,
Speaker 1: or you can watch a James Bond movie and you
Speaker 1: don't have to. You don't even I don't even know
Speaker 1: the politics of the guys who played James Bond. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just know James Bond. I don't know
Speaker 1: you know, Sean con I mean outside of his tex
Speaker 1: stuff that we've talked about, you know, but in terms
Speaker 1: of you know, I mean, we know, we know, but
Speaker 1: it's like I don't whether I agree, it doesn't get
Speaker 1: in the way of my enjoyment of James Bond. James
Speaker 1: Bond is James Bond. I'm gonna love the movie. That's
Speaker 1: that's the difference, is that they blurred the lines so
Speaker 1: much that it is hard for wrestling fans. It's hard,
Speaker 1: and it's even harder for people who aren't wrestling fans.
Speaker 1: Two understand why wrestling fans, no matter where they are
Speaker 1: on the political social spectrum, why they can be why
Speaker 1: they'd want to pay tribute to this person Because we're
Speaker 1: not paying tribute to Terry Blea. We're paying tribute to
Speaker 1: the character of Hulk Hogan. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And to have fans decided us whether they can be
Speaker 2: two different people, and the fans decided in his case
Speaker 2: they can't be. If the fans don't boo when he
Speaker 2: comes out as Hull Cogan. After all this, we would
Speaker 2: be perfectly within our rights to receive him as we
Speaker 2: receive James Bond instead of Sean Connery. Yep, it's that
Speaker 2: live audience component that makes the difference.
Speaker 1: I think of what he allen but it's but it's
Speaker 1: also but it's also too because think about it like this,
Speaker 1: James James Bond wouldn't come out and support Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Well no, I mean he's not a real person. Hulk
Speaker 1: Cogan is not a real person. Well we know that
Speaker 1: for sure, But you know what I mean, Like again,
Speaker 1: this is this is where the problem is is that
Speaker 1: is that is that people when you see Terry Blea
Speaker 1: out on the campaign with you know, I'm at that
Speaker 1: at the fucking Republican National Convention with fucking Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: which just like we saw the rock at the Republican
Speaker 1: National Convention in two thousand, right right, when you see
Speaker 1: these guys there, it becomes even more confusing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't because the conventions buying the character, right, and
Speaker 2: they're willing to sell the character. Like it would be
Speaker 2: the same exact thing. On the other way, like if
Speaker 2: if James you also wouldn't see James Bond come out
Speaker 2: for the Democratic National Convention for abomba, that'd be just absurd,
Speaker 2: Like what does James Bond being on the stage.
Speaker 1: It would it would be completely absurd.
Speaker 2: Like Trump, Trump is one of those introduce He's one
Speaker 2: of those gimmicks. You know, there is there is a
Speaker 2: He's a gimmick. And so of course it makes sense
Speaker 2: that he's got room under the tent for these half
Speaker 2: gimmick things, because that's that's how he became a bajillionaire.
Speaker 1: I know, and and again but but but what I'm
Speaker 1: what I'm saying though, is that it this because I'm again,
Speaker 1: I just keep thinking of so many people who I'm
Speaker 1: friends with who have posted things who are like, how
Speaker 1: can people feel this way about about this this this
Speaker 1: this you know, awful human band? And it's like, because
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way. For Terry Blea Wolverine isn't
Speaker 1: gonna get caught on a wire tap, making Slight have
Speaker 1: to worry about it exactly, you know, don't get to
Speaker 1: have that. You're not going to catch Batman on a
Speaker 1: fucking sex tape, all right, Batman's not gonna sue Gawker,
Speaker 1: you know, like like this, this is and and and
Speaker 1: so it's just it's it's it's so it's so bizarre
Speaker 1: and it's so crazy. Like all the wrestlers have done
Speaker 1: fucked up ship. You know, this is the one that
Speaker 1: just you can't you can't get around it. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't like no, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't not bring it up. We can't talk around it. No, No,
Speaker 1: all these other you know, not all of these, but
Speaker 1: there's so many wrestlers. There's so much fucked up shit.
Speaker 2: Like you could lay out the fact pattern of like
Speaker 2: Savage and Liz in a way where you're like whoa
Speaker 2: or like Savagen of course his relationship with Stephanie Beller's
Speaker 2: Gorge George and the taping her and stuff. You this
Speaker 2: was just about any carne motherfucker. Really, It's just that
Speaker 2: Hogan had a wire tap.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, his is just a key.
Speaker 2: We can't have nice things because Hull Cogan should have
Speaker 2: been something we could take to the grave. Yeah, just
Speaker 2: like Superman, Spider Man anything like that. But whatever, No, Gareth, Gareth,
Speaker 2: Gareth went out there. Gareth was watching as Hull Cogan
Speaker 2: came out in the UK.
Speaker 1: Yep, yes he was. Uh, here we go. So I
Speaker 1: kidding in Uh, finally, in my late twenties, I was
Speaker 1: expecting what I'd seen hundreds of thousands of American and
Speaker 1: Canadian kids being able to do with huge envy. At
Speaker 1: the time, the match or any star rating was inconsequential.
Speaker 1: The fact was that I'd finally seen Hulk Hogan wrestle.
Speaker 1: A year later, the Big Man was back for TV taping,
Speaker 1: even showing up for a meet and greet, which allowed
Speaker 1: me to briefly shake Hogan's absolutely massive hand and get
Speaker 1: a photo taken with the icon. I had no idea
Speaker 1: at the time that this was his last match. Why
Speaker 1: would it be, Why would it be in a six
Speaker 1: man tag in front of forty two hundred fans and
Speaker 1: a house show in England. Surely TNA or even WWE
Speaker 1: would promote one final match, but as the year years
Speaker 1: wore on, it became clear that this wouldn't happen. Fast
Speaker 1: forward to twenty twenty five probably speaks volumes about his
Speaker 1: chaotic private life that my first thought upon reading the
Speaker 1: initial reports of Hulk Hogan's death were, Oh, this is more,
Speaker 1: This is more Bubba the love sponge bullshit. When I
Speaker 1: saw the w B tweeted, it hit home and my
Speaker 1: first thought was just sadness. Sadness about how the greatest
Speaker 1: career in wrestling had disintegrated to him being booed in
Speaker 1: his last w B appearance, how his family unit had
Speaker 1: been ripped apart, and his well, I would say, he'll
Speaker 1: he allowed it to be ripped it apart. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like his infidelity. It was a
Speaker 1: big thing here, folks. It wasn't just that it was
Speaker 1: ripped apart. He did a he was a I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he was completely at fault, but he had a
Speaker 1: big fucking part in it, big fucking part. And his
Speaker 1: death being subject to joy and ridicule by a large
Speaker 1: chunk of your wrestling twitterati. I found a lot of
Speaker 1: the reaction to be largely dependent on age and when
Speaker 1: you were a fan. Absolutely, of course, absolutely, that's of course,
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't, if you didn't grow up
Speaker 1: with him, of course why would you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't have anything to lose by saying
Speaker 2: fuck that guy, if you don't have any like personal
Speaker 2: conflict like that, of course it's easy to say that
Speaker 2: guy sucks, Like, shut the fuck up, right, You don't
Speaker 2: have to, you don't have to deal with the fact that,
Speaker 2: like he was so formational, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right right, get it, Crispin Juan Guerrero for example,
Speaker 1: or most of those, most of those hailed as the
Speaker 1: best technical wrestlers never did anything for me. I've never
Speaker 1: really cared about match quality, and I've always been more
Speaker 1: interested in all the bullshit surrounding the actual in ring
Speaker 1: action as a kid. To this day, I find matches
Speaker 1: longer than ten minutes without a major story to be
Speaker 1: a chore to watch. So with my taste firmly matching
Speaker 1: what hul Comania offered, I wouldn't have become a wrestling
Speaker 1: fan at all. Were it not for Hulk Hogan. Clearly,
Speaker 1: Terry Bulay the man was a different matter. His usual
Speaker 1: humorous and sometimes problematic lies were beyond even what you'd
Speaker 1: expect from a jock who spent twenty five years hammering
Speaker 1: cocaine and steroids and having his brain battered three hundred
Speaker 1: days a year. Also held racist views and was caught
Speaker 1: on tape making comments that couldn't be construed as anything else.
Speaker 1: But forgive me if I'm not shocked that an academicallylimited
Speaker 1: man from Florida who grew up during the late sixties
Speaker 1: and early seventies held personal views that I wouldn't agree
Speaker 1: with and would consider distasteful. His views, or most of
Speaker 1: his values, couldn't be further from mine, and at hazard
Speaker 1: that these particular comments were probably tame compared to anything
Speaker 1: we'd have heard in the w W dressing room during
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. Yet even Brett Hard has gone on record,
Speaker 1: as have dozens of others, on how great he was
Speaker 1: with Make a Wish kids and kids wanting autographs, usually
Speaker 1: going well beyond the call of duty. At least he
Speaker 1: didn't go beyond the call of duchie. That'd be a
Speaker 1: little worse and while his mantra wasn't backed up by
Speaker 1: his personal actions, I'd like to think that they had
Speaker 1: some sort of positive positive impact on millions upon millions
Speaker 1: of children growing up in the nineteen eighties in nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: due to his sheer celebrity, he was and will always
Speaker 1: be held under the microscope to a degree that his
Speaker 1: contemporary He's probably managed to escape. A deeply complicated man
Speaker 1: in figure, but worthy of a nuanced look back in
Speaker 1: the fashion that I know that only the lapsed universe can.
Speaker 1: There are millions of forty to fifty year olds who,
Speaker 1: deep inside their younger selves, are more than a little sad.
Speaker 1: Since the twenty fourth of July, thank you co Chairs
Speaker 1: for the memories, thank you for the inspiration, and thank
Speaker 1: you for Hull Commania. That's wonderful, one of the best emails.
Speaker 1: Thank you ever. That right there is the best ever.
Speaker 1: That says it all.
Speaker 2: And to have been there for that last match they
Speaker 2: didn't realize it was the last match is so befitting a.
Speaker 1: Whole only only forty two hundred people, Well for TNA,
Speaker 1: that's double their highest No I know, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: like there are They're like, that's a handful of people, Like,
Speaker 1: can you think about all the people who've seen Hulk Hogan, Like,
Speaker 1: not many people were there. It's a it's an elite
Speaker 1: group who were there for Hulk Hogan's final match. And
Speaker 1: I like that nuance he pointed out, which I don't
Speaker 1: think I ever appreciated, which was that people came to
Speaker 1: the arena knowing that Hulk Hogan was there. He was
Speaker 1: advertised as appearing, but everyone came and expecting an interview
Speaker 1: segment or some kind of angle, and so you don't
Speaker 1: see him the whole show. That's part of why it
Speaker 1: gets such a big pop when he comes out, because
Speaker 1: that clip is out there. It's like fancam though, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't a TV taping When he gets such a
Speaker 1: massive pop, Eye the Tiger, it's Gareth points out, it's
Speaker 1: because people had gone all night not seeing Hulk and thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not gonna show. Yeah, right, and then here
Speaker 1: he comes and it ends up being a match. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure in his head, we'll do this a couple
Speaker 1: more times, three more times. If I feel up to it,
Speaker 1: I'll just go out there and what part of a match?
Speaker 1: How many times he fucking said I'm getting murdered for Wrestlmania.
Speaker 1: Brother around, well he is.
Speaker 2: He's never gonna close that door because he doesn't know
Speaker 2: what kind of check Vince is going to dangle. We
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time during the teenage journey getting
Speaker 2: into something that isn't really talked about enough, and he
Speaker 2: talks a lot about it during his Laser Spine lawsuit
Speaker 2: deposition about how Vince was making serious offer for him
Speaker 2: to come in and wrestle John Cena in like two
Speaker 2: thousand and what six maybe or seven or eight. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was there was serious son treaties about doing that.
Speaker 2: It was part of the leverage he had to get
Speaker 2: a good deal out of TNA, was that Vince was
Speaker 2: still actively interested in putting him in the ring against
Speaker 2: John Cena for a big WrestleMania event. You know, Vince
Speaker 2: has always been so fixated on this idea of Hulk
Speaker 2: being the Babe Ruth character that you know, but he's
Speaker 2: a living Babe Ruth. He's not just the Babe Ruth.
Speaker 2: He also someone that occasionally, right, I know, I know,
Speaker 2: but Vince saw this vision of him as a guy
Speaker 2: who occasionally would actually show up and play for the Yankees.
Speaker 2: You know once a year, right, and how great could
Speaker 2: that be? While also limiting the way.
Speaker 1: You imagine if that was a thing in baseball, like
Speaker 1: legends should come back for like one goal ted Ted
Speaker 1: Williams is chirogenically preserved.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's true. Maybe one day we'll see it. You'll
Speaker 2: walk back out there. Travis writes, Hey, boys, When I
Speaker 2: think of my discovery of the Holkstore as a child
Speaker 2: and the magic of being a little kid trying to
Speaker 2: figure out when I could ever actually see this man
Speaker 2: wrestle on TEA, one show comes to mind Saturday Night's
Speaker 2: main event. There were thirty thirty Saturday Nights main events
Speaker 2: in the Hull Comania era. Hulk wrestle on twenty six
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: Yes, you didn't wait.
Speaker 2: To see what you guys come up with, whatever it
Speaker 2: may be. Yeah, that's gonna be a tough one. We've
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time talking about how we dress
Speaker 2: Saturday Night's main event as part of what will come
Speaker 2: to be called the Complete hulll Cogan. I think you
Speaker 2: can expect us to definitely touch on them as we go,
Speaker 2: but we also don't really want to do a Saturday
Speaker 2: Night's main event journey and call it a tribute to
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan, which.
Speaker 1: It would be, I mean, would also be here for
Speaker 1: like another decade, like the next decade of TLF, would
Speaker 1: be all all.
Speaker 2: The reasons to elongate this. That would be a pretty
Speaker 2: weak one. But we'll talk about and watch the matches,
Speaker 2: you know. The balance we want to strike is the
Speaker 2: way we did Lapsed Funk, where we watch key moments
Speaker 2: as they go, but we don't ever do an entire
Speaker 2: event really and traditional TLF, where entire events is what
Speaker 2: you want, you know, and we can do both with Helkovin,
Speaker 2: we can do both. And so just because we talk
Speaker 2: about a Saturday Nights main event that Hulk cogn main
Speaker 2: event and perhaps even watch said match, doesn't mean we
Speaker 2: covered that whole Saturday Night's main event and that therefore
Speaker 2: it will never never be eligible for Deep Divage at
Speaker 2: some other point. So that's what I'd say, and that
Speaker 2: won't be the case for everyone, But we'll be very
Speaker 2: selective around Saturday's main event, Clash of the Champions, you know,
Speaker 2: things that he did that were big and memorable, But
Speaker 2: at the same time, it just adds so many more
Speaker 2: potential events to the Deep Dive list again top ten
Speaker 2: and if you want to put a Saturday Night's main
Speaker 2: event on there be my guest, because like I said,
Speaker 2: we won't deep dive any of them. I know what
Speaker 2: Saturday Nights Made events are on my short list. If
Speaker 2: we were to go hull Hog, I think we all
Speaker 2: do yes. Jojosmanios, thank you very much for your pledge.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the Solar system. We deeply appreciate your patronage
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Speaker 2: that mote tier. Presumably get a taste to that faithful call. Jordan,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining in the VIP tier.
Speaker 2: Tony writes, greetings co chairs, A longtime fan, and I
Speaker 2: just heard you're taking ideas for the Hogan tribute, So
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna spitball some stuff. You guys have done
Speaker 2: such a thorough job covering Hogan's in ring and movie career,
Speaker 2: but you haven't covered the Hulk Cogan and the wrestling Bootman.
Speaker 1: We did a little bit, but I guess we haven't
Speaker 1: called him the fucking full CD.
Speaker 2: This shit is truly horrible. He says he did this
Speaker 2: with Julie Hart and it's the worst shit you've ever
Speaker 2: listened to, And that's just one song.
Speaker 1: Other ideas a.
Speaker 2: Lapsed funeral the universe of Laps characters Hey now, oh,
Speaker 2: Saint Editor at the Gate laps To Hogan gets to
Speaker 2: the Pearly Gates, but is greeted by the lapsed editor,
Speaker 2: who rolls him up from behind for the one two
Speaker 2: three Wow Wow Heaven doesn't work for me. Brother laps To.
Speaker 2: Hogan makes it to Heaven, but immediately throws a fit
Speaker 2: when he goes into God's Lapsed Fritz office and sees
Speaker 2: he's been booked to lose to David von Eirek. He
Speaker 2: refuses to do the job and insists on invoking his
Speaker 2: creative control clause. God Lapsed Fritz reminds Hogan that he
Speaker 2: sent his boy to die for our sins, so Hogan
Speaker 2: has to job. After all, Heavy needed a champion. How
Speaker 2: might that sound, Boss? As far as Fritz go, Oh God.
Speaker 1: Sunday, August third, at noon, the Lapse fan take go ahead.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, and my boy, I shut
Speaker 1: my boy down. He died for our sins. He lived
Speaker 1: seventy five years and twenty five and I think it's
Speaker 1: time you do the job. I'm in the year sad
Speaker 1: Hope live in seventy one. Fritz, Betsy, I think you
Speaker 1: lived twenty five years and seventy one, so it works
Speaker 1: in reverse order. I see, I thought I thought he
Speaker 1: would lived one hundred and forty some days years. Well, brother,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, dude, I understand where you're
Speaker 1: coming from.
Speaker 5: Brother.
Speaker 1: I want to just kind of like get on the
Speaker 1: same page with the big man upstairs, dude. But here's
Speaker 1: where I'm thinking, Brother. What I'm not digging, dude, is
Speaker 1: this kind of you know, like we're talking about who's
Speaker 1: going over who's so I just want to know. So
Speaker 1: what I have, brother. You know what I kind of
Speaker 1: agreed upon, dude, and I could have sworn the you
Speaker 1: know you signed this with me, brother, but that it
Speaker 1: was for a long time dude, that when the time
Speaker 1: came where Hule Cogan was going to kind of make
Speaker 1: that big trip upstairs, Dude, I have this contract signed
Speaker 1: by the by the good, by the Holy Father Almighty brother,
Speaker 1: saying that I do have creative control over anything that
Speaker 1: goes on in heaven. So let's kind of get on
Speaker 1: the same page too, because I'm not going to play
Speaker 1: hide the ball anymore with the big Man.
Speaker 2: Brother Contiac Heaven Dome, laps Tope Lapstoken reunites with laps
Speaker 2: Andre for Heaven Mania three, but this time laps Andre
Speaker 2: gets to slam Lapstog and his laps Tooken does the job.
Speaker 2: He finally finds peace in putting someone else over. Love
Speaker 2: you guys, love this.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen that that that would be that right there?
Speaker 1: If if if if? That would be hull Cogan's version
Speaker 1: of hell is having to lose to everybody over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. That's that's that's his version of
Speaker 1: l How many AI images did we get of him
Speaker 1: covering Yokozuna in Heaven? Yeah? Well what about the inverse?
Speaker 1: Read everyone he put out he gets their win back. CJ.
Speaker 2: Want to thank you very much for bumping up to
Speaker 2: the MOTE tier. We very much appreciate that. Great to
Speaker 2: see Tom going to be joining us. Several Toms actually
Speaker 2: are going to be joining us coming up in New York,
Speaker 2: so we appreciate that. Ao t D thank you very
Speaker 2: much for joining the VIP tier.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Ness or Aka Sam writes to us here a relative
Speaker 2: to hul Cogan as seen as he writes here by
Speaker 2: a two thousands kid. There's a perspective you don't get
Speaker 2: on too often, so Boss, if you could please regale
Speaker 2: the solar system.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, I've been a fan since discovering your show
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen on Reddit during the Mania Journey, but
Speaker 1: have never written in. But with the death of the
Speaker 1: most famous wrestler ever to live, as well as the
Speaker 1: possibly the main protagonist of the lapsed fan these eleven years,
Speaker 1: I just have to send something in. I was born
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine, well past the glory days of Jocomania,
Speaker 1: and I became a fan in early two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: around the time Batista I turned on Triple H and
Speaker 1: began his hunt for the world title. It was in
Speaker 1: this fateful year of two thousand and five where I
Speaker 1: was infected with the curse of wrestling fandom. That he
Speaker 1: was born in nine ninety nine, even a fan since
Speaker 1: he was fifteen years old of our show. That's something
Speaker 1: I don't think about this. I don't people that got
Speaker 1: into our show when they were kind of like teenagers,
Speaker 1: not even late barely high school, barely high school. That's bizarre,
Speaker 1: that's wild. I need to know more about that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I was infected with the curse of Wrestling phantom that
Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan came onto my radar for the first time.
Speaker 1: Most people would probably point to Hogan Knows Best or
Speaker 1: his program with Hbka as to what might make a
Speaker 1: new fan to take notice of Hogan in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. That's a weird thing to think about, too.
Speaker 1: What's that the idea that you're not that you've never
Speaker 1: really someone his age, never seen Hull Cogan, and you
Speaker 1: get introduced to Hull Cogan via his reality show. It's
Speaker 1: fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's it's it's it's perverse.
Speaker 2: One of the key realizations we had during Bash at
Speaker 2: the Peach ninety four was like you said, whole Cogan
Speaker 2: really to you, in terms of when you became a
Speaker 2: fan ninety one, is more of a WCW wrestler than a.
Speaker 1: W W exactly that that that's that is so true.
Speaker 1: That is so unbelievable. It's weird, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: always I equate so much more with him in w CW,
Speaker 1: so so far to for for this guy, for Sam,
Speaker 1: he equates the reality show guy. Yeah, that's just that's wild,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's so so wacky. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing with with people. It's it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to think about the fact that that that John Seen
Speaker 1: has been wrestling so long that people who were like
Speaker 1: the kids who were fans of him when everyone was
Speaker 1: booing him are adults today. God, Like, that's the thing,
Speaker 1: Like you think about an eleven year old kid who
Speaker 1: was at WrestleMania twenty Wrestlming twenty three in Detroit, you
Speaker 1: know where I'm proclaiming, yes, you know, and they're agreeing
Speaker 1: with me that you need see seven two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: They're now twenty eight years old, twenty eight years on
Speaker 1: the pushing thirty right, So like, again, those are the
Speaker 1: fans who are not booing John Cena now that he started. Hell,
Speaker 1: they're the ones who didn't want to see a heel turn.
Speaker 1: I'm having trust some weird man in trouble with this. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's a very it's it's really it's a hard thing
Speaker 1: to fathom honestly, that you know, especially too when you
Speaker 1: when you think about the fact that we were adults
Speaker 1: for the beginning of John Cena's career and now it's
Speaker 1: twenty three years later, So that's just you know, there
Speaker 1: we are a little bit. Where was I there? Oh? Here?
Speaker 1: Most people know Hogan's the best or his program with
Speaker 1: HBK as to what might make a new FanTac note
Speaker 1: of vocal gum in two thousand and five. But what
Speaker 1: got me intrigued by the Hulkster was the SmackDown Versus
Speaker 1: Raw two thousand and six video game that came out
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. If you have ever
Speaker 1: played that game I have, you might remember that, unlike
Speaker 1: every other wrestler on the roster that only had one
Speaker 1: playable character model, Hogan had three different characters, those being
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties Hogan, Hollywood Hogan, and two thousands Hogan. To
Speaker 1: my six year old mind, the fact that Hogan had
Speaker 1: three characters in my favorite wrestling game while everyone else
Speaker 1: had only one automatically slatted him above everyone. Sure, it
Speaker 1: makes sense, and from that point on I figured out.
Speaker 1: I figured he must have been a god compared to
Speaker 1: the rest of the mere mortals. He was, he was
Speaker 1: im mortal. That childhood impression is stuck with me until
Speaker 1: I discovered your show. I lapsed in twenty ten after
Speaker 1: the retirement of Shawn Michaels and didn't think about wrestling
Speaker 1: again until twenty fourteen when I stumbled on the Squared
Speaker 1: Circle subridit, which is where I found you after someone
Speaker 1: posts about your interviews with Uncle Dave. It is this
Speaker 1: unrelenting odyssey that you have taken us on for the
Speaker 1: past eleven years that has taken Hulkogan from being an
Speaker 1: almighty being graced all my being, an almighty being that
Speaker 1: graced my PlayStation two and filled me with wonder at
Speaker 1: the seemingly mythical world of wrestling before my birth, to
Speaker 1: being little more than a living stuck even when he's
Speaker 1: at his peak, whether it's documenting him taking eighties pop
Speaker 1: culture by storm in the WrestleMania Journey documentary, his fight
Speaker 1: to get back his ninety percent from Vernon the a Toba,
Speaker 1: his case making testimony in the trial of his life,
Speaker 1: the Bash two thousand, collision with Russo, the Cherry on
Speaker 1: the Hull Hogan shit Sunday that was TNH, or even
Speaker 1: a random show that he has nothing to do with.
Speaker 1: This show has deconstructed and reconstructed the very idea of
Speaker 1: Alkgogan correct. Despite it all, I can I can also
Speaker 1: say that I never would have gained whatever appreciation that
Speaker 1: I do for the man without the cast your deep
Speaker 1: Dives or the Mania six match with Warrior, the Mania
Speaker 1: eighteen match with Rock, the ninety six Bash Heel Turn,
Speaker 1: all the shows during the high water marks of the
Speaker 1: nWo really opened my eyes to the fact that Terry
Speaker 1: Bella had other worldly abilities that we will likely never
Speaker 1: see again in the world. A professional wrestling we can
Speaker 1: be and we have been. Yep, that's right. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: last decade and a half hasn't been kind to the
Speaker 1: Hulkster with his many sordid adventures that were expertly and
Speaker 1: hilariously chronicled in TNH. But honestly, what can you expect. Artists,
Speaker 1: creative types, or entertainers throughout all of human history have
Speaker 1: constantly shown just about every negative and anti social, anti
Speaker 1: social trait that you can imagine, And when you are
Speaker 1: dealing with the dregs of the entertainment world that is
Speaker 1: professional wrestling, I think you're fooling yourself to expect anything
Speaker 1: different from these guys. Professional wrestling, especially in the era
Speaker 1: that Hogan broke in but still to this day, is
Speaker 1: a business of lying, manipulation, bullying, scheming, drugs, and easy women.
Speaker 1: Oh correct, Oh, probably some easy men too. Let's not
Speaker 1: you know, an easy non binary folks. Let's not just
Speaker 1: fuckingone's getting off everyone exactly. Listen, everyone's getting off, everyone's
Speaker 1: getting laid, everyone's exactly. Everyone is just out for themselves,
Speaker 1: all wrapped up in a nomadic existence where you have
Speaker 1: perfectly good reason to be in a different city or
Speaker 1: state from one night to the next. It should be
Speaker 1: no surprise to anyone that Hogan or many of the
Speaker 1: men of his ilk warrant exactly paragon. It's a virtue,
Speaker 1: I guess. To try and wrap up my rambling, I
Speaker 1: can say that for Hull Cogan is many things to
Speaker 1: many people. He's an icon of the glory years of wrestling.
Speaker 1: He's probably responsible for more people becoming wrestling fans than
Speaker 1: any other wrestler ever. He was possibly the most charismatic
Speaker 1: force ever in the business. He was maybe the greatest
Speaker 1: worker ever in his ability to push an issue and
Speaker 1: get people invested in his matches. He was selfish, he
Speaker 1: was self centered. He lied as easy as an normal
Speaker 1: person breathes. He was in many ways a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: But here at the end of his life, I think
Speaker 1: the answer for me is simply that Hull Cogan is
Speaker 1: a joke that will never stop being funny. You're well
Speaker 1: right there. It's proof of what he said exactly yours
Speaker 1: and lapsed, Sam PSU rest in peace, Ozzy. As a
Speaker 1: lifelong Black Sabbath fan, the news of his death ruined
Speaker 1: my week and really lessened the impact of Hogan's death
Speaker 1: for me. Once he hears this, I'm sure Terry will
Speaker 1: be trying to get some of the heat back in
Speaker 1: the afterlife. You brother, what why do you follow Hulk Hogan?
Speaker 1: Oz Izzy Yo Yo oz Izzy? Brother? What's going on? Dude?
Speaker 3: Brother?
Speaker 1: Dude? You know what? Brother?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's it is? Dude? What do you do?
Speaker 2: Because you came on before me and I went on
Speaker 2: last at Wrestlingia to brother, we got to redo that
Speaker 2: in terms of our death. Brother, you get a count?
Speaker 2: Why are you follow me up in the in the
Speaker 2: the the Everlasting Life, Dude was going on the three
Speaker 2: which of the three sil cast locations did you die?
Speaker 1: Your brother? Brother? Wait a minut it to you get
Speaker 1: a name with Saint Peter. Brother, brother, brother, brother, you've
Speaker 1: been talking? What did you what happened to the gates?
Speaker 3: Brother?
Speaker 1: What did what happened? How did you get in here?
Speaker 3: Brother?
Speaker 1: Who let you in? Saint Peter let you in? Dude? Mhm,
Speaker 1: Ozzy is characteristic sign itself. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa Dude,
Speaker 1: that's redonaldising back in, brother. I'm not trying to create
Speaker 1: any tension between you know, me and the is Oz brother.
Speaker 1: Pull the nose up on this thing, namely the coke
Speaker 1: table that you're on. Uh, Hogan and Ozzy Jordan, Ozzy
Speaker 1: and Hogan and Ozzie and Harry again, Ossie and Hogan Jordan.
Speaker 1: Greetings co chairs.
Speaker 2: As Terry has died today, I'm sure you're formulating how
Speaker 2: you'll cover the event accordingly. Obviously, the vast majority of
Speaker 2: the important bits in his career have already been deep dived.
Speaker 2: And I think you even said during the T and
Speaker 2: H journey how the entire life of DLF has in
Speaker 2: many ways been the Hull Cogan journey. In any event,
Speaker 2: I look forward to whatever you come up with, and
Speaker 2: decided to share some random thoughts that had come to
Speaker 2: mind with his death. A quick preface. I never had
Speaker 2: the real nostalgia for fandom for the man, or fandom
Speaker 2: for the man. I started watching WWF as a kid
Speaker 2: around nineteen ninety nine, it was only vaguely aware of
Speaker 2: him as a WCW guys video games. Is that you
Speaker 2: can't you can't write, You don't other one don't you
Speaker 2: don't you don't you know? Being a fan in ninety
Speaker 2: nine does not do. Of course, I can understand why
Speaker 2: you would not be a fan. You can imagine Hogan
Speaker 2: coming back out in The Red and Yellow Boss in
Speaker 2: the Fall of ninety nine on Nitro and a bunch
Speaker 2: of the audience being like, what is this? What am
Speaker 2: I supposed to be excited about here? That the Hull
Speaker 2: Cogan wing these different colors?
Speaker 1: Why are people caring about this?
Speaker 2: Da of him as a ww guy through video games?
Speaker 2: Since I didn't watch ww my first actual exposure to
Speaker 2: Hull Cogan was in the two thousand and two run
Speaker 2: and never resonated much childhood me. I didn't dislike him
Speaker 2: per se, but it just wasn't a character that I
Speaker 2: found particularly engaging twelve year old and me also thought
Speaker 2: a leg drop was not the best. I lapsed around
Speaker 2: two thousand and five oh six and really didn't think
Speaker 2: about Hulk Hogan and wrestling broadly for many years. My
Speaker 2: childhood fandom generally didn't involve any of the backstage gossip,
Speaker 2: so I was unaware of Terry's fuckery until getting into
Speaker 2: wrestling podcasts like your Own many years later. That also
Speaker 2: came around the same time as the Gawker trial and
Speaker 2: learning that Terry was a racist scumback. I appreciate TF
Speaker 2: over the years trying to crystallize why Hogan was the
Speaker 2: critical success he was, while also lampooning the man appropriately
Speaker 2: for the absolute ghoul that Terry Bolla was. It has
Speaker 2: been interesting seeing much of the Internet shitting on Terry
Speaker 2: in the wake of his death. Another thing TLF has
Speaker 2: done over the years is show how wrestling is often
Speaker 2: a microcosm of society, especially in the United States in
Speaker 2: the last few years in particular, been impossible to ignore
Speaker 2: how much of the social contract he writes of society
Speaker 2: is torn is actually its own form of k fabe.
Speaker 2: People are expected to fill a role society is to
Speaker 2: find for them, and are expected not to think, only
Speaker 2: to happily consume. The biggest possible social misstep often seems
Speaker 2: to be that if you dare break the cafe bellution
Speaker 2: and call shenanigans on the actual often pitiful state of affairs.
Speaker 1: But I digress.
Speaker 2: My final thoughts on Terry. It is fitting that those
Speaker 2: few left who still lionize him view themselves, and by extension,
Speaker 2: their idolized version of America as the nineteen eighties Hull
Speaker 2: cogin character as the valiant good guy, strong, righteous, courageous,
Speaker 2: standing up for the greater good. Sad reality is, though
Speaker 2: those few lefts still lionizing him seem to actually very
Speaker 2: much have the same character as actual Terry bo lea dishonest, conniving, hateful, bigoted, cowardly,
Speaker 2: ultimately pathetic. Sadly, America's actual values and action seem to
Speaker 2: mirror Terry bo Lea far more than they mirror the
Speaker 2: Hull coke and heroic ideal. I look forward to whatever
Speaker 2: you guys come up with. It is hard to believe
Speaker 2: there is much more to uncover about Terry than you
Speaker 2: guys have already touched on, but I know the cast
Speaker 2: usually finds a way to on earth new truths. Jordan, Well, thanks,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say there is a lot to unearthed. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's what we're about now on this one. No, No,
Speaker 2: this one's just about saying what needs to Be said,
Speaker 2: this one's about appreciation a critical assessment as much as
Speaker 2: it is about you know, we've we've spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time talking about Terry Bolea. It might be time
Speaker 2: now to just talk about whole COVID, just saying we've
Speaker 2: earned that, right, Yeah, Nicholas Newbe, thanks very much for
Speaker 2: doubling ear pledge. We appreciate that and hope you enjoy
Speaker 2: all the benefits that you're entitled to. Caleb Bright's doer
Speaker 2: Co Chairs. This is my first email, long overdue. I
Speaker 2: became a fan of TLF in twenty twenty one when
Speaker 2: I stumbled across the Crispno episode. I thought it was
Speaker 2: in for a grim true crime deep dive. What I
Speaker 2: got with something else, entirely a mad, brilliant dissection of
Speaker 2: the business that instantly hooked me and never let go.
Speaker 2: I know you're both Hasbro kids. I was born in
Speaker 2: ninety one, no pay per view, no rented wrestling tapes,
Speaker 2: just broadcast TV until two thousand. For me, wrestling with
Speaker 2: something you found, Yeah, I have memories of shotgun Saturday Night,
Speaker 2: WCW Saturday Night, maybe even a foggy glimpse.
Speaker 1: I can agree with that, though, I can. I can
Speaker 1: identify with that, because that's how it was for me too. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was like up until I started, until up until
Speaker 1: that fateful Sunday after Survivor's SERI and before Tuesday and Texas.
Speaker 1: I I it was something that I found. I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't seek it out all the time. I found it,
Speaker 1: and I I that that that was it. I founded
Speaker 1: several times and just didn't continue to watch until that
Speaker 1: one that one time. Yeah, that's a good point.
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Speaker 2: I have memories of shot etcetera. Okay, and maybe even
Speaker 2: a foggy glimpse of VCW airing on some cursed local
Speaker 2: channel at one am. I couldn't tell you what year,
Speaker 2: what channel, only that it felt like forbidden magic. I
Speaker 2: became a diehard when SmackDown hit UPN and once we
Speaker 2: got satellite in two thousand, it was over.
Speaker 1: I was in.
Speaker 2: I lived at the tail end of the attitude Ura
Speaker 2: and beyond. Like many in the Solar System, I eventually
Speaker 2: became lapsed for me. It was when WWE fumbled the
Speaker 2: Nexus angle. I came back for sparks Punk pulled me
Speaker 2: in with the pipe bomb, only for them to blow
Speaker 2: that too. Anyway, I digress. I know the POD's been
Speaker 2: running since twenty fourteen. I know you've covered a lot
Speaker 2: of Hogan, but let's be real. You are both better
Speaker 2: now than you've ever been. The craft is sharper, the
Speaker 2: perspective richer. There's more information now, more hindsight, more meat
Speaker 2: on the bone than ever before. The time is right.
Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna say it. If Sabu qualified for
Speaker 2: a journey, and by God, I'll cook and qualifies, don't
Speaker 2: be bitches, he writes. This is the journey to end
Speaker 2: all journeys, the big one, the main event, the final boss,
Speaker 2: and if I may the last fan may be just
Speaker 2: a tiny little podcast, but if you inject some hull
Speaker 2: cog and rocket fuel into this thing, if you ride
Speaker 2: the lightning bolt of Hulkelemania, I truly believe you can
Speaker 2: pull the nose up. This is the pivot, the resurrection,
Speaker 2: the one that gets us back on track.
Speaker 1: Good. So don't hide the ball, don't act like we've
Speaker 1: heard it all because we haven't. Not like this. This
Speaker 1: isn't the journey we want. This is the journey we
Speaker 1: fucking need and only you two can do it.
Speaker 3: Justice.
Speaker 1: Do it for the Solar System, do it for whole Comania. Oh,
Speaker 1: they do it for the Rock.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure do it for He'll be listening. I
Speaker 2: did note in his Instagram story reflecting on WrestleMania eighteen
Speaker 2: after Hulk COVID's passing that Rock was sure to refer
Speaker 2: to his match with Hulk as the main event of
Speaker 2: WrestleMania eighteen. Nice fuck you to Triple H. Yeah right
Speaker 2: at Triple H, by the way, who insisted on narrating
Speaker 2: and voicing over the Hull Co contribute package on SmackDown.
Speaker 1: Like, well, you know it's Triple H. After all, Triple
Speaker 1: A and Triple H.
Speaker 2: It's the only guy talking on the stage when they're
Speaker 2: all standing out there for the ten bell salute.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. He's such a fucking egomaniac. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's really it's it's really pathetic. You know the insecurity
Speaker 1: is there, man? Yeah, like you know it it it
Speaker 1: used to be. I mean, at least it's not obviously
Speaker 1: as it's that's the thing. It's when when when it
Speaker 1: was happening, you know, in the early two thousands, it
Speaker 1: was infuriating because he was ruining everybody who had possibility, correct, right,
Speaker 1: everybody who had possibility was stuck.
Speaker 2: In this ultra art and this guy is going to rise,
Speaker 2: maybe he'll be the guy to excite us, and then
Speaker 2: Triple H beats.
Speaker 1: Him, right, and and then he they become he becomes
Speaker 1: the guy that excites us and we're ready for it,
Speaker 1: and he ruins it by beating you know. It just
Speaker 1: was so so awful. But now now that here he is,
Speaker 1: he's you know, I want to just he's the boss,
Speaker 1: all right. I'm just gonna he's the boss. And it's
Speaker 1: like you don't need to do that anymore, Like you
Speaker 1: don't need to be the center of attention, you don't
Speaker 1: need to be up there, So what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And he's just it's just pathetic. It says it is pathetic.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree that there might be some like you know,
Speaker 2: and strategy as far as like let me continue to
Speaker 2: be the cafe boss to the fans so that they
Speaker 2: want me around, and there's never like a movement to
Speaker 2: try to get rid of me and unseat me, but
Speaker 2: insisting on being in every wrestle Mania commercial and the
Speaker 2: curtain drops on the first Netflix, like, we don't need that,
Speaker 2: we don't need you like reminding us that you had
Speaker 2: something to do with this. You know, just let it play.
Speaker 2: Yeah it be I know, And he's sometimes really good
Speaker 2: about that, but other times it's just so sad. You
Speaker 2: just you wonder, like, you know, if he's just constantly
Speaker 2: just looking over his shoulder about Dwayne, and you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, he'll take any opportunity to get in
Speaker 2: front of the bar, tell.
Speaker 1: Them, well, I said, you can always lod your shoulder, brother,
Speaker 1: because you know who's coming with from behind.
Speaker 2: That's the legacy health leaves right Ross Hamrick, thank you
Speaker 2: very much for your pledge. Welcome into the solar system,
Speaker 2: Bryce writes, the day of the patron Saint of Hoof Dies,
Speaker 2: I pay my tithes to the co chairs, to bump
Speaker 2: my ass to the fucking moat, tear to stand vigil
Speaker 2: amongst the masses, listening to the call. This may be right,
Speaker 2: it's the call of calls. It felt that way. I
Speaker 2: will tell you that it felt that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean the only one that I can
Speaker 1: feel might be bigger is the Vince McMahon one, if
Speaker 1: and when that happens.
Speaker 2: President of what, thank you very much for bumping up
Speaker 2: your pledge, President of taking care of the CoA chairs.
Speaker 2: That's what you're the president of. Joseph Neubauer, thanks for
Speaker 2: pumping up your pledge all the way to the mote
Speaker 2: tier John and Bristol, England, gentlemen, you've done it all,
Speaker 2: from the Journey through a WA right up to SummerSlam
Speaker 2: two thousand and five and almost everything in between, the Manias, Rent, Slams, Rumbles,
Speaker 2: Survivors Series, WCW and beyond TNA Thunderdome. What's left is
Speaker 2: a fitting tribute to probably the most memorable wrestler of
Speaker 2: our time, Backlash two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: That one's got to be in here.
Speaker 2: I think we've settled on that one. You may even
Speaker 2: leave that one off your top ten because that's pretty
Speaker 2: much done and dusted. Yeah, right, one last run with
Speaker 2: the title the last man to b WWF Champion WWF.
Speaker 1: That is not WWE Holy sh take care of that.
Speaker 1: Take take your time with that, Take your time with it.
Speaker 1: I never fucking even thought of that. That's un fucking
Speaker 1: believable brother brother brother. Wait. Wait, so he's the I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna break my own k
Speaker 1: fabe here. Okay, so he's the last WWF champion and
Speaker 1: the first WWE champion Brother brother brother because it happened
Speaker 1: in the middle, right, happened in the middle of his
Speaker 1: fucking thing, I am. I mean, listen, it's been twenty
Speaker 1: three years and I'm just realizing that it was.
Speaker 2: It was amazing that all the started to transpire just
Speaker 2: as we arrived at our caricature version of this guy,
Speaker 2: that second decade of Holthoven fandom that we both went
Speaker 2: through together.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: And not just like you said, like WWF gives way
Speaker 2: to WWE. He's back and he's holding the belt all
Speaker 2: over again. Hilarious.
Speaker 1: That's why I say this guy's a legend man, Like
Speaker 1: we all know that he captivated us in the eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties, But when this guy was able to come
Speaker 1: back and get the strap on him, like this guy's oh,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't question this guy how he moves.
Speaker 1: When that happened. Yeah, listen, there's.
Speaker 2: Because he could barely I mean, he could do some stuff,
Speaker 2: but he could barely move compared to like, you know,
Speaker 2: eighties Hulk Hogan amazing one last run with the title.
Speaker 2: The Political Chess played to take the title from Triple
Speaker 2: As just thirty days after his crowning glory at Many eighteen.
Speaker 2: I know, think about that too. Triple Ah had just
Speaker 2: won the title in the show closing bout against Christ Jericho,
Speaker 2: right and a month later. The only thing the only
Speaker 2: thing that makes sense for the company to do is
Speaker 2: have him lose it to Hulk Cogan. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 2: Oh Mania eighteen JP said it best on the Batch
Speaker 2: of the Beach ninety four show. Hulk was always a
Speaker 2: step ahead. The game went on last in Toronto, but
Speaker 2: Hulk had already written the manual in nineteen eighty five
Speaker 2: and perfected it for eight WrestleManias in a row. He
Speaker 2: knew what he was doing against the Rock. He timed
Speaker 2: his change to the red and yellow to perfection, rode
Speaker 2: the wave and stood atop the mountain, breathing rare air.
Speaker 2: That one last time, it must have been just like
Speaker 2: the old times. For a fleeting moment, Vincent haulk back
Speaker 2: on top. Perhaps both knew it wouldn't last. Maybe in
Speaker 2: their heart of hearts, they just hoped it would back
Speaker 2: last two thousand and two, one last run one two THROUGHNOI.
Speaker 1: He I'm yeah, I'm so. The official change happened on
Speaker 1: May sixth, two thousand and two, dead in the middle
Speaker 1: of Hulk Hogan's.
Speaker 2: I Rememberment Judgment Day two thousand and two was the
Speaker 2: first WWE pay per view.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember. I can remember the first time
Speaker 1: I heard them say WWE, and I was mortified. Oh god,
Speaker 1: it was horrible. I remember being just totally.
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck, because like, wa, you dying and everything,
Speaker 2: and that being the reason that had a lot to
Speaker 2: do with jumping the shark right there. When they changed
Speaker 2: the names, people were like, I'm just not going no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to watch this and and be triggered
Speaker 2: every time they say w W instead of WWF. But
Speaker 2: we're getting to that point, by the way, don't forget.
Speaker 2: We're getting to that point where it's going to be longer,
Speaker 2: longer than it was WWF.
Speaker 1: So just remember that. Just remember that it's that it
Speaker 1: is going to be more w W than WWF. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I wonder why we're relapsed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the Realist Solar System members in the room,
Speaker 2: Christian Rights Co Chairs. Well, we knew this day would come.
Speaker 2: Kind of ironic, especially considering Vince recently stated his plans
Speaker 2: to create a new entertainment platform and conglomerate which will
Speaker 2: focus exclusively.
Speaker 1: Again, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, it is longer.
Speaker 1: Oh we're there, yeah, because the the the I'm trying
Speaker 1: to look here. Oh no, no, no, no, well yeah
Speaker 1: we are. Actually In March of nineteen seventy nine it
Speaker 1: became WWF, went from Worldwide Wrestling Federation w WF, and
Speaker 1: then twenty three years later, twenty three let's see here,
Speaker 1: twenty three and two months later it became w W
Speaker 1: And now may it's listen, we're there now, we're at
Speaker 1: the even point. It's now done. Now you can't fucking
Speaker 1: say shit, okay, it's always been ww Now you can't
Speaker 1: argue that. All right, it's overs up. Time's over. Times up, motherfuckers. Well,
Speaker 1: John Steen's retirement year is when we realize it's always
Speaker 1: been w W.
Speaker 2: If he rides it off, right, he rides it off
Speaker 2: at the sunset, that permanent switchover, it's over. Well, we
Speaker 2: knew this day would come, Christian rights kind of erotic,
Speaker 2: especially considering Vince recently stated his plans to create a
Speaker 2: new entertainment platform and conglomerate which will focus exclusively on
Speaker 2: both pre and future determined points of bottle of contact
Speaker 2: in the simulated presentation of artificial intelligence and technological engineering
Speaker 2: on a hybrid level.
Speaker 1: Yes, what we are. We're currently in the process of
Speaker 1: building the Vince McMahon owns Hulkamania entertainment companies. That's what
Speaker 1: we have. The mcmanonmania Animania has been running wild these years.
Speaker 1: Mcmanamony has been running while mcmannamania is the only mania
Speaker 1: that exists still and Vince rules, thank you for.
Speaker 2: This, thank you for your time, thank you for your
Speaker 2: attention in this matter. But again we all knew this
Speaker 2: day would come Christian rights. So since Hulcymanea is officially
Speaker 2: and forever dead, this the vinst rules, Vince, and this
Speaker 2: is the decade of lapsed. I propose you have a
Speaker 2: top ten greatest matches of the career of Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 1: That's all I have.
Speaker 2: Like that O W in my school newspaper article about
Speaker 2: Hogan's turning heel at Batch of the Beach. I never
Speaker 2: liked Hogan he was the shits. No, but really, what
Speaker 2: do you think about a ten Greatest Matches tribute? Looking
Speaker 2: forward to whatever you guys do, I'm sure it'll make
Speaker 2: the Hulster proud, boss.
Speaker 1: What do you think to find ten greatest? We have
Speaker 1: to find the prapifications for ten greatest, like ten greatest
Speaker 1: in terms of in ring match quality or ten greatest
Speaker 1: in terms of this is my favorite, yes, anything else.
Speaker 1: It's up to you. What would you pick? I would
Speaker 1: have to say greatest in terms of favorite, like, because
Speaker 1: that to me is what is what matters. What would
Speaker 1: they be? Because if it's if it's greatest, god, top
Speaker 1: ten I mean, in no particular order, just to make
Speaker 1: it easier, yeah, I mean, oh god, um, I mean
Speaker 1: first of all, Rumble ninety one always the top, that's
Speaker 1: number one, still my favorite. Can watch it and just
Speaker 1: be thrilled. Consider that a Hogan match? I do, I do,
Speaker 1: I will because he won it. If he didn't win
Speaker 1: with that's like Flared Knights Rumble match, Yeah right it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Hogan Slaughter. I love Hogan Slaughter. I
Speaker 1: could watch that all the time. I could watch it
Speaker 1: all the time. The Hogan Savage for sure, But Hogan Flair.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Hogan Flair, Hogan Flair, Halloween, Havoc, no question,
Speaker 1: Hogan Savage, Hogan Savage. Five. Yes, I don't even know
Speaker 1: where I'm at. Five. Yeah, that's five. Okay. My number
Speaker 1: one is Hogan Warrior. Yeah, what's your number one? Hogan Warrior. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's where really did it all? Yeah, really showed the
Speaker 1: full breath of what he meant and what he could do. Actually,
Speaker 1: I should say my favorite is actually probably the one
Speaker 1: I saw live. That's actually my favorite one, follow by
Speaker 1: romandinety one ninety one. Stuff is just gold to me,
Speaker 1: always will be, always will be. Like watching the build
Speaker 1: up to WrestleMania seven, a couple a couple of shows
Speaker 1: of that just so amazing. Oh and the fucking Serenus
Speaker 1: main event master too. Yeah I've never actually seen it,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't do anything for me, but yeah, the
Speaker 1: stuff that I watched early as a kid, that stuff's
Speaker 1: my favorite. And definitely some Bash some some w CW stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, Hogan Flair in the Cage
Speaker 1: is easily up there. Probably Hogan Piper at Starcade. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know, because it meant something to me. Like watching that.
Speaker 1: When I'm watching it live, I gotta go Hogan Andre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hogan Andre's on there. I mean, you can't not put
Speaker 1: Hogan Andre on there. It's gotta be. It's my number two.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to Shay Stadium. Oh really, no, brother, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a match in Japan. I mean that's the thing
Speaker 1: that that's a great match. Like, but that's way, it's hard,
Speaker 1: like I don't have the nostalgic feel for it, Like
Speaker 1: I don't like to sit there and well to the
Speaker 1: television right, like in terms of work rate. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: in the moon of match is some of the best
Speaker 1: shit ever.
Speaker 2: The Goldberg match, the you know what it loses, it
Speaker 2: tends to be some of the best stuff. Even the
Speaker 2: match on Nitro. Yeah, I had a joke, man, not
Speaker 2: a joke. Good fucking stuff got the people out of
Speaker 2: their fucking minds.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And look the Rock match. It's fucking amazing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: great and achievement on a level I never would have expected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's yeah. I'd have to really,
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, those are the ones on top of
Speaker 1: my head. I'd have to really think about it a
Speaker 1: little more, but like.
Speaker 2: Hit all, you had all the high points. There were
Speaker 2: some sneaky ones in there. I think that we could include,
Speaker 2: but that's pretty much it. The mooda match is good
Speaker 2: in Japan, the uh Yeah, as far as ninety two,
Speaker 2: not much, although I remember it so fondly.
Speaker 1: Well see again for me. But also you know what,
Speaker 1: I love the Sid match. Yeah, you know, like it
Speaker 1: didn't end right, but I love the Sid match. That
Speaker 1: feud is iconic for me.
Speaker 2: And we go back to those savage matches from eighty five.
Speaker 2: We were just watching, like that's some of the best
Speaker 2: hoga and stuff you're gonna find. Yes, Ogan in Valentine,
Speaker 2: Hogan in Morocco, and when he first gets the strap,
Speaker 2: it's good stuff. He's out there really going for it,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to make it, try to deserve the
Speaker 2: position of top guy in the business, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh and also the ninety ninety survivisary stuff, both of them,
Speaker 1: both his match with the whole communis versus the natural disasters,
Speaker 1: but also the final MATCHSS survival equally ninety rumble yep,
Speaker 1: that was my That's someone I rented a hundred times,
Speaker 1: not ninety one. Yeah, what can you say? Can you say? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he did write this.
Speaker 2: Christian did write this piece in his high school newspaper
Speaker 2: that he shared with us, which I think is so
Speaker 2: fucking hilarious. Hulk Cogan has an agenda. The situation involving
Speaker 2: Hulk Cogan in the New World Order, cleverly named the nWo,
Speaker 2: is taking on a whole new perspective in the world
Speaker 2: of professional wrestling. For those of you who are not
Speaker 2: aware of the changes in ww World Championship Wrestling or
Speaker 2: with Hulkogan, let me give a little insight. As of August,
Speaker 2: the man Hulk Cogan is now the nWo slash WCW
Speaker 2: World Heavyweight Champion. This came after he claimed that himself
Speaker 2: and his two new friends, Scott holland Kevin Nash would
Speaker 2: take over WCW and would call it the nWo. That's interesting,
Speaker 2: so he read that as they're going to rename WCW, THENWO,
Speaker 2: that's interesting. The way he won the title was very surprising. Indeed,
Speaker 2: after beating the champion, the Giant, and stirred to South Dakota.
Speaker 2: After he finished the Giant, he took the belt and
Speaker 2: hit him in the head to score the pinfall. He
Speaker 2: then took black spray paint and wrote the three letters
Speaker 2: nWo on the gold title. However, this article is not
Speaker 2: on how he won the title, yet, it is on
Speaker 2: what he's planning on doing with the championship and how
Speaker 2: it will affect the progress of the nWo and namely
Speaker 2: his two friends holland Nash. In any professional sport, there
Speaker 2: is at the end of a season a team or
Speaker 2: a person who was called champion. Everyone in every team
Speaker 2: struggles to one day call themselves champion. Yet in the
Speaker 2: world of hul Cogan, only he can be called such
Speaker 2: a name. As for holland Nash, if they don't portray
Speaker 2: Hulkgan now, they'll never be able to be the champion
Speaker 2: of WCW. Look him wanting nan w out of collapse
Speaker 2: on itself. That's pretty wid The reason for such an
Speaker 2: outrageous statement is to show to the world that Hogan
Speaker 2: is not only a shallow person, but to let his
Speaker 2: partners know that Hogan is planning on holding onto that
Speaker 2: title for as long as it takes, even if it
Speaker 2: means never giving them a title. Shot Man Hallan nashould
Speaker 2: have read this high school newspaper man, they would be
Speaker 2: coming around the corner, strange.
Speaker 1: Fucking booked, rebooked, the whole, fucking uh, the whole.
Speaker 2: Completely strange as it may seem, this happens all the
Speaker 2: time in wrestling. Someone's friend becomes champion and the relationship
Speaker 2: falls straight downhill. This card back in nineteen ninety when
Speaker 2: Sting was a member of the Four Horsemen, the Four
Speaker 2: Horsemen were a lot like the nWo are today. They
Speaker 2: always beat up who they wanted to, and they own
Speaker 2: the World heavyweight title. Sting is very much like Holland Nash.
Speaker 2: He wanted to know what the ten pounds of gold
Speaker 2: felt like. However, Sting was in the wrong place at
Speaker 2: the wrong time. He broke the eleventh Commandment and asked
Speaker 2: then champion Rickclair to give him a title match. He
Speaker 2: left the ring with a broken leg. The result was
Speaker 2: quite clear. Never be friends with the champion, because sooner
Speaker 2: or later you'll be bitter enemies.
Speaker 1: Like that, there we go.
Speaker 2: Maybe holland Nash are at the wrong place the wrong time. Also,
Speaker 2: it would be nothing for Hogan to grant someone else's shot,
Speaker 2: but these are supposed to be the men to help
Speaker 2: him keep the title. The nWo is no doubt a
Speaker 2: force to be reckoned with and Hogan does have some
Speaker 2: pretty good wrestlers by his side, but for how long?
Speaker 2: The only things that will hurt his title reign or, arrogance,
Speaker 2: a big mouth, and a cold heart. He's displaying those
Speaker 2: factors at this point in time. Yet when the smoke
Speaker 2: clears and Hogan walks out of that arena, he'll look
Speaker 2: back and once again be alone. Holy shit, Wow, that's
Speaker 2: fucking that works in a lot of ways. Kudos Christian.
Speaker 2: That's good stuff. Man pulling up an old scan that
Speaker 2: he had of his high school newspaper.
Speaker 1: That's wild. That's fun.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the top ten ideas well. Martin Zamora, Thanks
Speaker 2: very much for bumping up your pledge to get that
Speaker 2: moat tear taste. We deeply appreciated. Isaiah. Isaiah, thank you
Speaker 2: so very much. Christian also asks you think Savage decked
Speaker 2: Hogan in the eye as soon as he saw him
Speaker 2: in heaven. Another thing Christian.
Speaker 1: Wrote some I've seen some funny AI drawings of like
Speaker 1: Hogan being welcomed by by people in Heaven. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, listen, they're going after him, all right,
Speaker 1: nobody's up there like thrilled to see him. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean assuming he goes up to heaven anyway. Listen,
Speaker 1: I mean assuming assuming any pro wrestler is in heaven.
Speaker 1: We talked about the Big Man for a lot of
Speaker 1: years to not earn the admission. Yeah, but he also
Speaker 1: screwed a lot of people down here on Well, none
Speaker 1: of the wrestlers are going to be up there. If
Speaker 1: that's disqualifying, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a single wrestler ever getting up to Heaven.
Speaker 2: Christian also wrote on one of the posts about Hogan's passing,
Speaker 2: I quote from Vince McMahon, I will be the last
Speaker 2: one standing. Oh is that not coming to us? That's
Speaker 2: the way it's going to be, my dev thank you
Speaker 2: very much for your increase in pledge. We deeply appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Cliff writes to us brothers back last two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: Hogan's last world title in Triple H versus the real
Speaker 2: Triple H. He's calling for Josh. We want to thank
Speaker 2: you very much for bumping up to the mote tier.
Speaker 2: Andrew Wright suggestions one deep dive his first title reign,
Speaker 2: including the arena title defenses that are out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of those have been done in the Coliseum
Speaker 2: collection actually, but it's a hell of an idea. You know,
Speaker 2: how much can we can we observe of Hogan's original
Speaker 2: title run that wasn't on a quote day preview yep,
Speaker 2: the whole Comedia Colisseum videos in order I will say
Speaker 2: that we're not going to do those. Those are the
Speaker 2: Coliseum collection. Yeah, I agree, So those and I'm sure
Speaker 2: to a large will do the matches that are on
Speaker 2: those tapes anyway. I mean, I mean, well some of them,
Speaker 2: some yes, some know, there's definitely certain a lot of
Speaker 2: shit in there on those tapes that aren't on pay
Speaker 2: per views or big shows. I don't think I ever
Speaker 2: saw a sertain has made event on a whole comedia.
Speaker 1: Well I'm not always get a fucking but the point is,
Speaker 1: the complete Hull Cochin journey does not have to be
Speaker 1: a pay per view or TV show. It could be
Speaker 1: some random show on Philly that was on PRISM, you know.
Speaker 1: And I also, you know, I also think I don't
Speaker 1: I don't personally want to do every Hulk Hogan show.
Speaker 1: I want there to be some down the line, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think the idea of filling in the gaps
Speaker 1: of the major stuff is crucial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know what what counts as major, And
Speaker 2: he also calls for the missing pay per views in
Speaker 2: SNM's Yeah, I think we're all we all kind of
Speaker 2: got there together somehow, some way. We're making suggestions in isolation,
Speaker 2: but when you put them together in vacuums, but when
Speaker 2: you put them together, it's like, Yeah, this is kind
Speaker 2: of the cross current of what everybody's saying. Zach just says,
Speaker 2: just started in seventy five and go to twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: one episode each year. Easier said than done, but that's
Speaker 2: pretty much what we're gonna do. Absolutely, so many people
Speaker 2: got the news while they were listening to the Bash
Speaker 2: at the Beach ninety four episode. I just can't believe that,
Speaker 2: but that's how we ended up. And yes, Zach, I did.
Speaker 1: Make a mistake saying that Hulk Hogan's attorney was Howard Hughes.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there, Howard Hughes maybe a little. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know about that, but okay, his
Speaker 1: name it's Henry Holmes. I thought it was Henry Holmes
Speaker 1: Holmes rather double a Stu Wright.
Speaker 2: Hello, a quick note. How about a piece on how
Speaker 2: the World News reported Hogan's death. This is the World
Speaker 2: News in the UK, for example in the UK, and
Speaker 2: it was on the main BBC six o'clock news, which
Speaker 2: is probably the highest profile. It wasn't as important as
Speaker 2: the cricket score, but was more pressing than the weather.
Speaker 2: They highlighted Rocky and the WWE, but also mentioned the
Speaker 2: Gawker stuff and summed it all up with Hogan's endorsement
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. I'd be keen on seeing how India, Japan, America,
Speaker 2: in fact any country handled the news. I'm obviously not
Speaker 2: going to seek it out myself, but you asked for suggestions.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank yous to. This is a good idea.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure how we thread that in, but
Speaker 2: I think it is interesting to note. I know that
Speaker 2: Fumisaido did a show for Wrestling Observer on what Hogan
Speaker 2: meant to Japan, which I'm looking forward to checking out. Fumi,
Speaker 2: you might recall from the Lapsed Funk series, has really
Speaker 2: nice beat on not only how wrestlers are received in
Speaker 2: his native Japan, but having lived in the States for
Speaker 2: years and being fluent in English, he also understands how
Speaker 2: to explain that to an American wrestling audience, you know,
Speaker 2: and translate what the cultural impact is. So I look
Speaker 2: forward to getting his sense of how Hogan's career in
Speaker 2: passing was received in Japan but other countries. It's tough
Speaker 2: to say the UK is great because, as so many
Speaker 2: of our listeners are in the UK have pointed out
Speaker 2: to us, the steroid trial didn't hurt him over there.
Speaker 2: There's a reason that he starts leaning in with the
Speaker 2: Wrestling boot Band and talking about Wembley in the UK
Speaker 2: A whole hell of a lot after that ww Front
Speaker 2: ends right, Tony writes, greeting's co chairs, I'm sure you're
Speaker 2: getting pounded with suggestions regarding what to do with the
Speaker 2: potential Hulk tribute, but I didn't want to throw out
Speaker 2: a couple of suggestions. One guess what he says selfishly,
Speaker 2: I attended this show. Wow he attended? Oh I need
Speaker 2: I need information on that one when we come to
Speaker 2: it in about have to contribute to his story or
Speaker 2: two regarding the feelings in the arena that night and
Speaker 2: after Hulk beat Triple eights, that was a fascinating show.
Speaker 2: Don't waste any time, Tony, get it to us now,
Speaker 2: Get it to us now, or get started on it now.
Speaker 2: Two Saturday's Made Event July nineteen ninety. This was the
Speaker 2: first show I ever attended and it had Hulk's return
Speaker 2: interview since being.
Speaker 1: Injured by earthquake. What was it you meet the date again?
Speaker 1: July nineteen ninety before SummerSlam. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: This was the first show I ever attended and had
Speaker 2: Hulk's return interviews since being injured by earthquake.
Speaker 1: That was a huge show for me. I mean you
Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, Cornerstone. It was the
Speaker 1: first WWS pay per.
Speaker 2: View I ever watched Summer Slam ninety plus it has
Speaker 2: that tribute package before the interview, which now seems really poignant.
Speaker 2: I still have so many memories from this show. There
Speaker 2: are many others, including the big event SummerSlam eighty eight
Speaker 2: ninety eight, No pardon me, SummerSlam eighty eight, Hex Survivors
Speaker 2: Series eighty seven. Yeah, but I would love to hear
Speaker 2: the coverage you gentlemen would provide for two shows I
Speaker 2: hold near and dear. Thanks for hearing me out, thank
Speaker 2: you for the memories, thank you for the inspiration, and
Speaker 2: thank you proclamania. Thank you rollers there you go, SNMA
Speaker 2: July ninety. Probably we'll say a lot about Hogan. It's
Speaker 2: not a match, but that segment ought to be in
Speaker 2: there somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Steve says, I was just sitting in my tent at
Speaker 1: a music festival, so I've been cut off from the
Speaker 1: world a bit. Today.
Speaker 2: My son sent me a text message a short while ago.
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan has died. Fuck me dictionary definition of end
Speaker 2: of an era, without doubt, the greatest pro wrestler of
Speaker 2: all time. I'm going to keep this brief. May send
Speaker 2: more thoughts when I'm home next week, but I saw
Speaker 2: your tweet about oh bit coverage and any suggestions we
Speaker 2: may have. My suggestion, deep dive the entire Mega Powers arc.
Speaker 2: It's the protheosis of the art in my opinion. Dig
Speaker 2: up every match, every promo, every magazine article, and go
Speaker 2: deepen that ass on the Megapowers month's worth of shows
Speaker 2: there to do it justice, but it deserves it. It's
Speaker 2: the best angle ever and personally was my favorite formative
Speaker 2: rather wrestling experience.
Speaker 1: It's what got me on the hook. Brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that has good stuff, man, Yeah, yeah, shout outs
Speaker 2: to Josh, who gave a lot of the outlines of
Speaker 2: that list that I read out there just a while ago.
Speaker 2: On the show of Unaddressed Hogan Episodes, Anthony writes, I've
Speaker 2: been a loyalty LF fan since the beginning. You may
Speaker 2: recognize me from Twitter. I'm beginning begging you rather to
Speaker 2: please cover the Colisseum video release Hulcymania three in your
Speaker 2: t to Hogan, he's begging us, boss. Wow, I don't
Speaker 2: know begging. It's the entire Hogan and Entre feud from
Speaker 2: beginning to eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's the best Colosseum release in my opinion, and the
Speaker 2: best WWF home video release other than because Stone Cold
Speaker 2: said so. Looking forward to everything you do. Thank you
Speaker 2: for your consideration, Anthony, I love it. I think we're
Speaker 2: gonna have to let you down there. But we'll see,
Speaker 2: we'll see, I mean.
Speaker 1: But I'll say, you know, it might be it might
Speaker 1: be something to like. At least go through and take
Speaker 1: a look at some of the stuff that isn't you know,
Speaker 1: maybe not seen as much, you know, there's sure. That's
Speaker 1: what I always love about the the Colisseum videos is
Speaker 1: that they have stuff that was airing at the time
Speaker 1: that a lot of times they haven't put up on
Speaker 1: the network for sure. Whatever you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: that's true.
Speaker 2: DJ Smithy, thanks very much for bumping up your pledge
Speaker 2: to the MOAT tier level. We deeply appreciate that side
Speaker 2: of support. Christian did the same thing before mentioned Chris
Speaker 2: Lucky want to thank you very much for making it
Speaker 2: our lucky day. Josh, thank you very much. Jimmy, thank
Speaker 2: you very much. These fuckers said, you know what mote
Speaker 2: is for me?
Speaker 1: Matt.
Speaker 2: Matt just wrote a single subject brother, It's all, he
Speaker 2: wrote in response to our call for suggestions webinar. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much for your increase in pledge. Scott Michael said, also,
Speaker 2: know what happened.
Speaker 1: Ten years ago today?
Speaker 2: The recording of Hogan saying racist shit was leaked. He
Speaker 2: died on the tenth anniversary of that. He also says,
Speaker 2: the most fucked up thing about this is as soon
Speaker 2: as I heard the news, my immediate thought was wondering
Speaker 2: who was going to make the call first. That's that's
Speaker 2: what we do, That's what people think now. Also, I
Speaker 2: bet Hogan gets cremated because there's going to be a
Speaker 2: clause in his will prohibiting anyone.
Speaker 1: From burying him. Of course, listen, come on, Amber, thank
Speaker 1: you very much.
Speaker 2: Nobody can bury Hulk that mote tier taste. Travis Wilcox,
Speaker 2: thank you for that generous increase in pledge. Jim Grant,
Speaker 2: Welcome in to the TLF Patreon solar system. Chris g
Speaker 2: same to you. We really appreciate it. Mick Arsenal, Welcome in,
Speaker 2: my friend, and thank you for the pledge. Nathan writes
Speaker 2: my whole life, I imagine I would feel bad and
Speaker 2: sad for his passing. I wanted him to be good
Speaker 2: and worthy. I tried so hard to keep him in
Speaker 2: that column. Even after the sex tape, with the racism,
Speaker 2: I still wanted to believe he was remorseful and trying
Speaker 2: to be better. Then last year he just doubled down
Speaker 2: on the heat. I more than the idea of Hulk Cogan,
Speaker 2: who died twenty years ago. Terry Bulay is either lucky
Speaker 2: there is no hell or he's there now. Did I
Speaker 2: still shed tears? Yes, it's a lot we'll put Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean again, Matt, that's kind of it, like it's
Speaker 2: it's a hard it's a very hard thing.
Speaker 1: It's not It's not black and white like like he
Speaker 1: was in nWo Right, Daniel Beasley, thank you very much
Speaker 1: for bouncing up to the motier. We appreciate it. Chris Calamito,
Speaker 1: Welcome in, my friend, and thanks for the pledge. Same
Speaker 1: to you, Charles Spina. We really appreciate your support on Patreon.
Speaker 1: Jerome Cussen, same goes for you, my friend. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Dirty Non sent us a message co Chairs.
Speaker 1: Hulk Cogin passed away today. A constant in my life
Speaker 1: as a wrestling fan was Hul Cocin. My earliest memories
Speaker 1: of wrestling were Hulk on Saturday Night's Made Event. I
Speaker 1: was on his side when the Mega Powers erupted, and
Speaker 1: I was with him during the Ultimate Challenge. Me and
Speaker 1: my wife's entrance music at my wedding was Voodoo Child.
Speaker 1: Recent years have made being a fan of Hulk problematic,
Speaker 1: and I thank the co Chairs for helping us the
Speaker 1: Solar System process what it means to be a wrestling
Speaker 1: fan and a fan of Hulk Hogan. This fucking cast
Speaker 1: is the only true chronicle of the life of Terry Boleup.
Speaker 1: We know this man inside and out without ever meeting him.
Speaker 1: It definitely hurts inside, but I know the co chairs
Speaker 1: will be there. Thank you for hul comania. David writes,
Speaker 1: holy shit listening to the one two three as Hogan
Speaker 1: wins the title from Flair when I find out from
Speaker 1: a text message that he has died, m oregan, damn man.
Speaker 1: The upcoming journey the co chairs are about to take
Speaker 1: us on is going to be one for the ages.
Speaker 1: Rip Hulk. May you no longer worry about being rolled
Speaker 1: up from behind? Yeah? He still listen. That's that's far
Speaker 1: from over, far from over, absolutely absolutely far from over. Well,
Speaker 1: well you've been well, you've been giving on. Jesus. Dude
Speaker 1: keeps looking at me. Brother, what what dude? Is he
Speaker 1: uprotherer is the Christ Child tring? Roam me up, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm dude, I'm on to dig that voodoo child.
Speaker 2: Andrew nails it. He just writes, OMG Bash of the
Speaker 2: Beach ninety four episode anticipated this.
Speaker 1: I have no words.
Speaker 2: You two spoke this into reality. Mike writes, Hogan being
Speaker 2: at paid mouthpiece for Orlando's tourism reminds me of Antonio
Speaker 2: and OKI's later years as a diplomat, where he was
Speaker 2: essentially paid to read a script for whatever country he
Speaker 2: was visiting. Yes, this is my point. Hulk is for sale.
Speaker 2: It's not new, Yes, exactly exactly. Pulk performs for the
Speaker 2: audience in front of him.
Speaker 1: He's been for sales and see got in the professional wrestling.
Speaker 2: That's correct, But he's ironically where he hardly ever sold, right, Alan,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your pledge and welcome into
Speaker 2: the TLF solar system at the Eptier. No less, Kirk
Speaker 2: wants us to know quote wrestling school again again, never
Speaker 2: has been, never will be. So so much for those
Speaker 2: remarks during the Bash of the Beach ninety four broadcast,
Speaker 2: Wrestling's cool again.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm sorry you know that is, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: one of the worst fucking things I've ever heard. The
Speaker 1: world is watching now? What the world is watching?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Hey, Wrestling's cool again? No new news.
Speaker 2: Now we're pushing on the mail bag side a little
Speaker 2: bit just before the news came out about Hull Cogen
Speaker 2: and some of the comments we got on a Batch
Speaker 2: of the Beach episode before that was the overwhelming sentiment.
Speaker 2: Sean writes, Shaq would already qualify for Under the Cinemat
Speaker 2: due to his tag match against Cody at aw because
Speaker 2: we talked about how Shak's participation in Bashed at the
Speaker 2: Beach qualifies like Blue Chips and other movies like that.
Speaker 1: Well also, I mean, I was gonna say also his
Speaker 1: TNA stuff too, So I don't even know he had
Speaker 1: a match he wrestled Code.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that a tag match cod during the can Denis
Speaker 2: towards the tail end. They may have had fans back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a big deal. They were supposed to involve
Speaker 2: a Brandy but she got hurt, so they had a
Speaker 2: h oh my god, what is it?
Speaker 1: Red? What's her first name? I forgot her name?
Speaker 2: Team with a Red bashing team with Cody, Shaq would
Speaker 2: already qualify for UTC. Yep, I'm sure there must be
Speaker 2: a story behind the match that never happened. In him
Speaker 2: and Big Show, which was teased a few times in
Speaker 2: w Yeah, they wanted to put together Shaquilla and Neil
Speaker 2: versus Big Show for WrestleMania one year, but it didn't happen.
Speaker 2: And then Shaq was in that Battle Royal, so he
Speaker 2: definitely counts there.
Speaker 1: He was in there. He in Dallas, He's done plenty twenty,
Speaker 1: totally qualified. So also Regal talked about facing a nook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about why Steve Regal and Andok had a
Speaker 1: confrontation on the Bash of the Beach broadcast. Yes, and
Speaker 1: Sean notes that Regal talked about facing a nook in
Speaker 1: his short lived podcast, apparently in OKI's retirement. Tourtali was
Speaker 1: about facing wrestlers of all different styles and he wanted
Speaker 1: a Wigan snake Pit trained heavyweight, of which Regal could
Speaker 1: meet the criteria. So there you go. Wow, I'll throw
Speaker 1: back to Billy Robinson that I'm that.
Speaker 2: I have no doubt Corey wants to take issue. Come on, boys,
Speaker 2: Jesse said it over and over, and I vehemently agree.
Speaker 2: Jim Brenzel had the greatest drop kick in the world,
Speaker 2: full stop, never matched. No, that's not an open and
Speaker 2: shutcase to you. No, I don't like uh Brunzell's a
Speaker 2: fucking piece of shit. Perfect, That's perfect, no question.
Speaker 1: Wait, the way he held the hand under the chin
Speaker 1: before he launched, yep, the way, the way like he
Speaker 1: had just a perfect standing drop kick, and he would
Speaker 1: he would get incredible height and he would connect so brilliantly. No,
Speaker 1: I just I also, I just don't like Jim Brenze,
Speaker 1: like I can't. I don't the face is tough. I
Speaker 1: don't face is tough. I don't like looking at him,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't just don't enjoy his matches
Speaker 1: that much, So go fuck himself.
Speaker 2: This, of course, from our Best of WWF Volume eight
Speaker 2: coverage in the Colisseum Collection. Corey also writes, because we're
Speaker 2: talking about when Brett and jim had first formed a
Speaker 2: tag team, Brett and Jim had time together, he informs
Speaker 2: us in Calgary and the WWF Nightheart was with Jimmy,
Speaker 2: and that was when Bundy was still with Jimmy. They
Speaker 2: even teased a Bundy Knightheart tag team. This is right
Speaker 2: when Brett was transitioning from Cowboy Brett Hard. I remember
Speaker 2: WWF he started as cowboy bred Hart.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is suppressed, and.
Speaker 2: The commentators were noticing his heel tactics in the ring,
Speaker 2: even though he hadn't really officially gone bad yet. The
Speaker 2: Heart Foundation formed very quickly after that. Corey's always the
Speaker 2: best at remembering those when we were two years old,
Speaker 2: stuff that they just lose to time unless you are
Speaker 2: watching week to week. Will Randolph want to thank you
Speaker 2: very much for bumping up your pledge same to you,
Speaker 2: Ah Richard. That's a deeply appreciated doubling of that coinage
Speaker 2: to your co chairs Jeremy, thank you very much, Cody
Speaker 2: writes to mine in Tampa. No, you're in contempt. Nice
Speaker 2: one of the one of the better moments.
Speaker 1: That was so fucking great.
Speaker 2: John writes, co chairman, longtime listener and Patreon member here.
Speaker 2: Haven't written in a while, but in light of the
Speaker 2: conversation about Thunder and Paradise ter in the Bash of
Speaker 2: the Beach ninety four episode, I felt it necessary to change.
Speaker 2: I'll cut right to the chase. Within the last two years,
Speaker 2: I've managed to watch every episode of Thunder and Paradise
Speaker 2: on YouTube. I'm sorry I have a particular nostalgia connection
Speaker 2: at that time period when wrestling overlap with another interest
Speaker 2: of mine, Disney World. They learned not long ago the
Speaker 2: show is not only filmed on sound stages at the park,
Speaker 2: but also in the parks. There were entire episodes filmed
Speaker 2: on the Indiana Jones Stunt show stage, and in the
Speaker 2: episode they do the stunts that they do in the
Speaker 2: actual Disney show and the Morocco Pavilion at Epcot. The
Speaker 2: living sees Aquarium and Epcot, and there's literally an episode
Speaker 2: where they just go to the Magic Kingdom. Not only that,
Speaker 2: but there are so many wrestlers in it, from Beefcake
Speaker 2: Brutus to Jim Knightheart Tuggers, Terry Funk, Jimmy Hart, Gian Gonzales,
Speaker 2: not to mention, Sting had a season long story arc
Speaker 2: as the primary heel. I know you guys are tough
Speaker 2: on it, and rightfully so, because it's pretty terrible, but
Speaker 2: it's very much in that so bad it's good category
Speaker 2: and takes me back to pretty good place mentally.
Speaker 1: Boss do with Thunder and Paradise Journey. This is the
Speaker 1: playlist on YouTube, he gives us with love the episodes. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's there. Well, take a look at it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm I don't know if I can care,
Speaker 1: but that's a lot I have. Listen, I have plans.
Speaker 1: Although we'll see that's a tantalizing remark.
Speaker 2: They did it few two partters. He writes that I
Speaker 2: think we're released as DVD movies. I recommended episodes. Yeah
Speaker 2: that I that I that I know I would actually
Speaker 2: be down with doing movies. I don't think like yeah,
Speaker 2: like there because like the I mean we did the
Speaker 2: original one, which was done as a movie. How many
Speaker 2: episodes are there there?
Speaker 1: Well, no, they really actually it's not I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not awful, right, you know, it's it's twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two episodes, which we could probably do, you know,
Speaker 1: like the problem I'll tell you what the problem with
Speaker 1: the problem with TV shows And this is what I
Speaker 1: what I discovered during Twin Peaks is that there's not
Speaker 1: a lot written about the creation of individual episodes. It's
Speaker 1: about the show as a whole. And so while it's
Speaker 1: you know, like it was, it was it was actually
Speaker 1: it was hard to kind of figure out what to
Speaker 1: say for what episodes for the Twin Peaks, for the
Speaker 1: David Lynch tribute, because we're squeezing. I was trying to get,
Speaker 1: you know, eight episodes of television into what four episodes
Speaker 1: of the show, and so it's it's just it's just
Speaker 1: hard because they it's just it's not as you know,
Speaker 1: you've got a longer span of time where a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff's happening at the same time versus a movie.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, from this period to this period,
Speaker 1: everyone's focusing on this movie or at least I can
Speaker 1: find information about focusing on this movie, but doing a
Speaker 1: whole show is is that That's been That's been one
Speaker 1: of the one of the reasons why I've been a
Speaker 1: little bit apprehensive for doing full on seasons and why
Speaker 1: the Twin Peaks one. Doing seven episodes was better, was easier,
Speaker 1: you know, because there was ways to space it out.
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe doing one of the one of
Speaker 1: the TV movies on it'll be about it in addition
Speaker 1: to you know what I'm thinking about out But that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. Yeah, I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 2: He recommends episode six and seven, a two parter that
Speaker 2: mostly takes place in Epcot's Morocco and the Indian and
Speaker 2: Jones stunt show. It's technically really bad TV. I won't
Speaker 2: beat around the Bush brother, but I'd be lying if
Speaker 2: I said I didn't enjoy it on a purely nostalgic level.
Speaker 2: It also features Tuggers. Lastly, if you want to see Hogan,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's big. If you want to see
Speaker 2: Hogan thirsty as fuck, I'm ruining this match with the
Speaker 2: Jaqura Show. In nineteen ninety seven, as well as a
Speaker 2: very random rat music video with the Quebecer's watched the
Speaker 2: first ten minutes of this Thank you for the link.
Speaker 2: You can find it as ww fancam footage. That was
Speaker 2: the night that a Hogan got rolled up by Chakra
Speaker 2: Shou in the middle of the Hollywood Hogan run.
Speaker 1: It might be interesting to do you know, because we
Speaker 1: did do the I know, we did the first, the
Speaker 1: first the pilot of Thunder and Paradise for the main show,
Speaker 1: that it might be interesting. I was thinking the series
Speaker 1: finale is also a two part a two part episode,
Speaker 1: so that might be maybe something to consider it too fascinating.
Speaker 1: I'm sufficiently intrigued. I'm intrigued. I'm definitely intrigued by you
Speaker 1: do you think, especially because it's not a full on
Speaker 1: especially because it is like a you know, I forget
Speaker 1: that there weren't multiple seasons. It was just one season
Speaker 1: with you know, all right, well I will I'll take
Speaker 1: him in consideration. Here's her turning. I can hear him.
Speaker 1: Here's turning. Yeah, I know the man gears are turning. Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sorry it was Greg not John that brought
Speaker 2: us that missus huge doubles Cross there talked about Hasbro's
Speaker 2: We talked about Hasbro signing with WCW maybe in ninety
Speaker 2: one or ninety four or whatever when they left WWF. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and someone made a good point like, Hasbro isn't about
Speaker 2: the fucking steroid shit. You know they must have been like,
Speaker 2: fuck this, Yeah, we don't want to make a tour
Speaker 2: steroid monster, right, Ryan Rights, I would.
Speaker 1: Have left it.
Speaker 2: Ninety five ninety eight w CW was my favorite motion.
Speaker 2: I think I get the idea Hasbro wanted to get
Speaker 2: away from wrestling because of the steroids stuff. Yes, me too, Ryan,
Speaker 2: But what about Evader Hasbro at ninety five?
Speaker 1: What about but what about the what about? What about
Speaker 1: the cash? All right? Listen, yes they may be avoid Listen,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're treating toy companies as if morals outweigh
Speaker 1: the dolls.
Speaker 2: W W was hoovering up everything else. W WW had
Speaker 2: they brought the slim GYM sponsorship over, like why not
Speaker 2: just call Hasbro?
Speaker 1: Man? I know, because they decided to do the fucking
Speaker 1: LJM ripoffs and the Star which just were not good.
Speaker 2: And can you imagine thinking yourself as a Hasbro kid, right,
Speaker 2: and think of you being aware that Hogan goes to
Speaker 2: WCW and to your point, thinking Hogan was more w
Speaker 2: CW wrestler.
Speaker 1: They came out with I Hasbros. I dreamed. Listen, when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I dreamed that I would eventually
Speaker 1: have a Hasbro with Hogan with the bright you know,
Speaker 1: almost me on yellow hulks your shirt. Like I dreamed
Speaker 1: that that was going to happen, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like this is going to be crazy. We're going to
Speaker 1: get a whole new I said, there's no reason not to.
Speaker 1: Like I really equated Hasbro with Hogan, And I said,
Speaker 1: and especially when I realized that they weren't coming out
Speaker 1: with anymore and they were like nowhere to be found
Speaker 1: in the toy stores, it's like, well, maybe WW will
Speaker 1: do the right thing. They didn't, but I hoped, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean cause it's kind of funny they did. You know,
Speaker 1: those the second wave of figures were kind of like
Speaker 1: Hasbro's but they were still big and they were clunky
Speaker 1: and stupid, you know, because they did have They didn't
Speaker 1: come out with a second wave of those WCW figures
Speaker 1: where they were harder plastic. They weren't the rubber and
Speaker 1: they did do like moves and stuff like they oddly
Speaker 1: did the Hasbros. But just they weren't good hasbros. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: they kind of took a stab at it. But I
Speaker 1: invite you to consider a stunning Steve Austin Hasbro. I
Speaker 1: would have gotten, oh listen, I would have had it,
Speaker 1: no question in my pocket. Done, purchased, Thank you, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, happy purchased, well put. I love it so much, Matthew,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Yeah, because I'm looking I'm looking
Speaker 1: at them like, yeah, like the ninety six, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at a Hogan one that was the hard plastic with
Speaker 1: like movable things, was still very much like the idiotic
Speaker 1: LJN ripoffs, but there was I don't know, like try
Speaker 1: me press button, like there was a button out pressed.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know what the fuck is going on here,
Speaker 1: but you know, again, nice things we can't done purchased,
Speaker 1: not a problem. Love it, Matthew Lenetis. Thank you very
Speaker 1: much for that pledge. We appreciate it. Welcome in.
Speaker 2: Craig writes, hull Kogi's is less than an hour from me,
Speaker 2: and I just found out it existed, and I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure to create followed up with a next post that
Speaker 2: we retweeted of the actress sign yeah his brother the
Speaker 2: door in the window too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Christopher writes, you know that idea of w W Hasbros's genius.
Speaker 2: Can't believe ws W never did that or at least
Speaker 2: copy the styling. Bree wrts. This is a great point,
Speaker 2: you know when we go through the uh the Randy
Speaker 2: Savage on Radio WWF Knock and Hull Cogan with Jim Ross. Yes,
Speaker 2: we did that on the March to the Mains nine.
Speaker 2: We forgot that we did it again. That's why Master
Speaker 2: of the Phone came off as so fucking epic, because
Speaker 2: I think that's.
Speaker 1: Where it came from. That's fucking funny. In case you
Speaker 1: don't know what it's like to have cast it. As
Speaker 1: long as we've cast that's yeah right.
Speaker 2: Jeff writes, I don't know about you guys, but I
Speaker 2: always protect my brand by having sex with my friend's
Speaker 2: wife and spewing racial epithets. Ryan Wright's hell co chairs
Speaker 2: Love and Bash ninety four shows between discussions and parts
Speaker 2: one and two plus reflecting a bit and what would
Speaker 2: happened two years later at the same event. Sadly it
Speaker 2: appears the Orlando Arena is gone, but Ocean Center is
Speaker 2: still there from the ninety six event. Any future pilgrimage
Speaker 2: plans at the Ocean Center? Hey, or have you guys
Speaker 2: been either location in the past?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I have not been to the Ocean Center or the
Speaker 2: Orlando Arena, No never. I did go to the Fort
Speaker 2: hesserli Armory in Tampa one time, though, just to look
Speaker 2: look at the window. Yeah, I've always just look in
Speaker 2: the wind closly going on. And you don't hear me
Speaker 2: tell the story where I got so close to the
Speaker 2: glass so I could see inside, and then I realized
Speaker 2: there was shit smeared on the glass right in front
Speaker 2: of my face.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's all horrible.
Speaker 2: I've always thought of WCW getting the Hasbro deal too,
Speaker 2: starting in ninety five. It would have been so much
Speaker 2: better than the ostms. That's original San Francisco toymakers, right.
Speaker 2: I think maybe Hasbro wanted out of wrestling altogether after
Speaker 2: the steroids scandals. But today, with all the Hasbro style
Speaker 2: figures being made by Mattell and boutique companies, ww Hasbro's
Speaker 2: do now exist to some extent, and I really hope
Speaker 2: many more come in the next few years. Does Boss
Speaker 2: Man still collect the Mattel retros? Has he started up
Speaker 2: with any of the ones from the Batique brands? Boss
Speaker 2: the what, Yes, Yes, I I I have I do.
Speaker 2: I I got the Kurt Fuller one at UH at
Speaker 2: Comic Con last year in New York. I do want
Speaker 2: a bunch of them. They are so cool. I just
Speaker 2: you know, there's a part of me that's like a
Speaker 2: part of me that's like the apartment. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: fucking really. But then there's like, I don't know, know,
Speaker 2: it's We're at that point, man, We've gotten all the
Speaker 2: nostalgic charge we can get out of this stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: cod COVID just.
Speaker 1: Like like they did a fucking a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: They did a whole bunch of uh like one of
Speaker 1: the like they have some really cool Savage ones, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, Like it's like, because you know
Speaker 1: the one thing that I I I am always bummed
Speaker 1: about with with again this is this is this is
Speaker 1: this is a unique thing being a ninety one WWE
Speaker 1: fan like coming into matt Era because everyone for the
Speaker 1: most part loves Randy Savage from the late eighties with
Speaker 1: the robe, the headband, the regular wrestling trunks, right, I
Speaker 1: don't like that. I like the fully clothed Savage from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. That's, you know, the Savage who was
Speaker 1: wearing clothes because he was embarrassed about his lack of
Speaker 1: steroid body. That to me is quintessential Randy Savage. And
Speaker 1: the only Randy Savage they made at hasbro of Like
Speaker 1: that is awful. Right, it's one of the pushdown ones.
Speaker 1: You know, the hat on his head, You get the
Speaker 1: hat on his head to get the make him looking right,
Speaker 1: the fucking with you, I know. But now they've got people,
Speaker 1: they've done some of those that look like that, like
Speaker 1: they've got hold together. They got Savage. I shut up,
Speaker 1: I mean you do, that's what you want? I know,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: They get Savage in his WrestleMania eight attire, like it's
Speaker 1: it's so great and they got one like hey, they
Speaker 1: just just as amazing these retro figures. They do a
Speaker 1: great job with them. Somebody say it like it's so
Speaker 1: unfortunate that they do a great job with them, because
Speaker 1: I can't just dismiss it, get right, because I want
Speaker 1: it now. And it's like, come on, I can't forty yes,
Speaker 1: except there have so many. I've seen the studio. I know,
Speaker 1: I know it's a mess, and I love them and
Speaker 1: I want more. Let's fucking go. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about the sickness, No, that's it is. It's the sickness
Speaker 1: of having this. Look. I'm going to send you. I'm
Speaker 1: going to send you one here. Look this, this is
Speaker 1: like this is what they they make now in these things,
Speaker 1: and like they're just so great looking, you know, opening
Speaker 1: Savage in his WrestleMania to go okay, oh fuck, it
Speaker 1: looks incredible. Rights, it kind of does look like Steve
Speaker 1: Williams about the head, though, man, I don't care. It's
Speaker 1: it's the color of the and it's the fact that
Speaker 1: it's you know, uh sleeves, the sleeves are tasseled and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all those things. And look at this other one,
Speaker 1: like these two here, like they just they look so great,
Speaker 1: they really are. And and so it just what position
Speaker 1: does that put you in? Exactly? Like what are you
Speaker 1: supposed to do with this? Holy shit? Here's here's another
Speaker 1: one like this is like, this is this is the problem.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm going to send you this one. Now,
Speaker 1: this is the problem. He says, this is, this is,
Speaker 1: this is the problem. These are the problems that that
Speaker 1: you know, these people put on adults like me who
Speaker 1: just you know, don't want to be an adult, right,
Speaker 1: you know this is that was fucking perfect, perfect delivery.
Speaker 1: This one, now, this is just fucking fantastic, Like this
Speaker 1: is the uh, this is the Mall's version of Zoro,
Speaker 1: of one that I remember reading a night Like that's
Speaker 1: what he is, that fucking People magazine, the Mall's version
Speaker 1: of Zora. I'll never forget that People magually not knowing
Speaker 1: who Randy Savage is and calling him the Mall's version
Speaker 1: of Zoro. Idiots, fucking morons, like he's got checkered floor
Speaker 1: for an outfit. Yeah, Like, I just why are you
Speaker 1: doing these things? Man? Why are you making them so great?
Speaker 1: Just it's a curse. It's a curse. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you what, I definitely have an
Speaker 1: easier time buying them if they didn't cost forty bucks.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to say, like one of the
Speaker 2: best parts of the Unwrappiding every Christmas is when we
Speaker 2: split the bounty at the end and see your face
Speaker 2: be like, I'll take that one, like you know you
Speaker 2: want it.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'll have it. I I'll have to
Speaker 1: have that. Fine, fine, all right, I'll take that one.
Speaker 1: Just fucking don't say anything about this. I just I
Speaker 1: just kind of really want it. I just want it.
Speaker 1: When I assess it, I want all Like listen, I
Speaker 1: want them all. I know is that art like like
Speaker 1: like they say, collect them all? Yeah, I want them all.
Speaker 1: All right, I want them all. Where do we go
Speaker 1: from here? But I can't. Right, they have they they
Speaker 1: have a series of bulldog ones too, like they've got
Speaker 1: they've got whoever, you know, I don't know all the
Speaker 1: companies that do them, but they got so many different
Speaker 1: companies that are making these these these you know, Mack Hasbros.
Speaker 1: And there was one. They're there there they have they
Speaker 1: have nineteen ninety four British bulldog, so with the the
Speaker 1: biker shorts and the unbraided hair. You know they've got
Speaker 1: they got a ninety five ninety six bulldog. I think
Speaker 1: they got one with yeah, short hair, and I think
Speaker 1: they got one with Diana. Okay, they've got one. They've
Speaker 1: got a a ninety seven bulldogs with the Heart Foundation vastly.
Speaker 2: Supposed to do with this man, right, like an emergency.
Speaker 2: It's not just that they had they made one more
Speaker 2: bulldog and I can get a different bulldog Hasbro we
Speaker 2: had do they make six of them? And they're all money?
Speaker 1: They made them all, they made them all all money.
Speaker 1: They just they just yeah, because they're right, just fuck.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Do they ever make any Hogan offshoots? That would be
Speaker 2: very complicated from licensing perspective, And I don't think Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think they ever did, because it's uh yeah,
Speaker 2: Marvel has something to say about that, right. Ryan also writes, also,
Speaker 2: do you think Fins thought at one point Hogan would
Speaker 2: be back in ninety four to the FED? I mean
Speaker 2: they did keep selling his merchant the magazine pretty late
Speaker 2: in the ninety three, plus he had Hasbro figure and
Speaker 2: then Standard Line that year, plus the mail away for
Speaker 2: Christmas ninety three. Anyway, thanks guys, and thank you for
Speaker 2: whole comania. Well, I wouldn't be surprised. It's a great bulldog.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I'm gonna show that the back
Speaker 2: here too. Look at the back the back of our foundations.
Speaker 2: That's perfect, absolutely perfect. I mean, what the we're looking
Speaker 2: at the guy who won the European title. You know,
Speaker 2: we're looking at the guy who, right, you know, who mattered,
Speaker 2: and I gotta spend forty bucks to get it? Okay,
Speaker 2: well there it goes right out the window.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I can't. I can't there there there
Speaker 1: there are certain things I can't, you know, explain to
Speaker 1: my wife.
Speaker 2: That's the real stressor of it all, exactly exactly what
Speaker 2: it is, like I you can't explain it to yourself.
Speaker 2: I mean you can, but it's still not good enough
Speaker 2: for a reason. Right, And so I was like, where
Speaker 2: did what is this thing? Where did you spend forty
Speaker 2: bucks at this?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 4: You don't?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold it and look at it. But but
Speaker 1: you understand, like you know, my office, I just gotta
Speaker 1: have a match with I gotta you know, I gotta
Speaker 1: have a match with Sean Michaels. An emergency European you know,
Speaker 1: European forty is an emergency. It is Listen, it's a
Speaker 1: major problem, like a major problem. Like there, yeah, call
Speaker 1: the authorities.
Speaker 2: Okay, look, I think they would have run all that
Speaker 2: stuff for Hogan's merch just to clear out inventory. Anyway,
Speaker 2: that's he was with the company till like late August technically,
Speaker 2: so there's that too. We just didn't see it in
Speaker 2: the States. Yeah, I think Vince probably thought Hulk would
Speaker 2: come back. I mean, one of the things we covered
Speaker 2: during Bash of the Beach was Vince had matching rights
Speaker 2: and there was conversations. It wasn't like Vince was like, fuck,
Speaker 2: you go to sign whatever you want with ww I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear about it. They were back and
Speaker 2: forth until the end, and I just think that, you know,
Speaker 2: the stuff in ninety three does indicate that that Vince
Speaker 2: saw the future with them together. I just don't think
Speaker 2: he thought it would take as long as it did.
Speaker 2: Zach asks, can we get a Hulk HOGI shirt?
Speaker 1: Please? I don't know if we'll get in trouble for
Speaker 1: that one, but maybe it depends on how we Possibly
Speaker 1: it's possible to do sis right.
Speaker 2: That's how I experienced most of the Hogan era. I
Speaker 2: started watching wrestling wrestling at WrestleMania seven. My brother reunted
Speaker 2: the pay per view tapes from eighty five to ninety
Speaker 2: and I caught up as best I could. That's why
Speaker 2: I have a soft spot for the new generation, because
Speaker 2: I'm like the Hogan era. I experience it week to
Speaker 2: week as it happened. Yes, exactly, Vinces and Andrew writes,
Speaker 2: he says competitive organization instead of competitor. I thought that
Speaker 2: was a great catch, because to call it a competitor
Speaker 2: is to put him on a pedestal of actually being
Speaker 2: somebody that you know, competes for your business. But if
Speaker 2: you call it a competitive organization, that makes it sound
Speaker 2: like a group that wants to think of itself as
Speaker 2: being competitive in nature, but doesn't quite rise to the
Speaker 2: level of you calling it your competitor, which I think
Speaker 2: is just That's as Vince McMahon as it gets the
Speaker 2: difference between competitor and competitive organization.
Speaker 1: The terminology is key, key, all right.
Speaker 2: Daniel just thrilled by the latest edition of Wrestle Mammia
Speaker 2: with Mama Sorrow and the Moat Tier on the Ultimate
Speaker 2: Warrior Versus Knobs episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't listened to this one yet, but Daniel
Speaker 2: says Mama Sorrow and her moral commentary on this one
Speaker 2: was worse a five am start to the day.
Speaker 1: Do you know what he's talking about? I listen, listen.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a Wrestle Mammy without my mom's moral commentary.
Speaker 1: But I I don't actually recall what specifically.
Speaker 3: Oh man, this is.
Speaker 1: That's tremendously that's just what awaits you, right yep, oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Under the the mote tier. It's it's really fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: Anybody who got a taste of Mama Sorrow as part
Speaker 2: of our a w O Lacard live calls, you know
Speaker 2: what's going on. And that's the thing about Wrestle Mamia. Man,
Speaker 2: there ain't nothing more consistent in the Labstand solar system
Speaker 2: than that Monday Wrestle Mammia drop. Oh yes, you can
Speaker 2: set your watch to it, boss.
Speaker 1: You can. You can listen every Monday, every Monday.
Speaker 3: This is you know.
Speaker 1: This is why I have heard comments in the past
Speaker 1: about about like wait when was this recorded? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we got a we got a record and batch, so
Speaker 1: we are we are months and months and months ahead
Speaker 1: of time. So I mean I can tell you right
Speaker 1: now that there are shows loaded until the beginning of
Speaker 1: next summer.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's how we roll. I think that pretty
Speaker 2: much says it all. Joshua fairly said it all by
Speaker 2: putting that VIP pledge on the table and joining us
Speaker 2: on that corner of things. Andrew writes The beauty of
Speaker 2: TLF as that they'll come across one small trait that
Speaker 2: tells you everything. For Eric Bischoff, it's that he's a
Speaker 2: man who loves to take meetings. For most of us,
Speaker 2: of us, I think, you know, taking a meeting is
Speaker 2: is a step towards a goal.
Speaker 1: It's not the goal. But I think with Eric it's
Speaker 1: probably the goal. It is the goal.
Speaker 2: He just he just closes that surface after a zoom
Speaker 2: meeting man, and he's like, oh, that's a honest day's.
Speaker 1: Worker there, he's he is so fucking thrilled, so fucking
Speaker 1: thrilled with a day.
Speaker 2: Andrew continues, the peak of his life was when he
Speaker 2: had a secretary. He could utter the phrase set up
Speaker 2: a meeting with blank. Two, he set up a meeting
Speaker 2: with Oh, he loves it, he loves it. Ah, I
Speaker 2: want to vomit.
Speaker 1: They're meeting takers. I mean they're fine. Yeah, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: brother Mike wants us to know that.
Speaker 2: Regarding Jimmy Hart's value, we spend a bit of time
Speaker 2: in the Bash of the Beach Show wondering why Hulk
Speaker 2: Cochin tap Jimmy on the show. He says, Bruce Ritchard
Speaker 2: has talked about Jimmy helping with things that weren't his
Speaker 2: job title and being happy to do it. He did
Speaker 2: many of the wrestler's themes with Jim Johnston agent's matches
Speaker 2: despite that not being his responsibility.
Speaker 1: That I know that I'm fine with. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: actually having the ability to manage somebody's career and like
Speaker 1: the day to day life that's different than anyways. He
Speaker 1: maybe he goes into that. No, that's about the sum
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: He also said, you know, always being early before everybody else,
Speaker 2: and I guess maybe you know, managing someone's career when
Speaker 2: you're hul Coagan, all that really takes is making sure
Speaker 2: he gets where's supposed to be on time, and people
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to talk to or kept away from him.
Speaker 2: And I bet Jimmy Hard can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but like in terms of yeah,
Speaker 1: I it just it just seems like again, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know that Jimmy Hart's got some credibility
Speaker 1: in other places, and I know that he's worked on
Speaker 1: he used to work on the theme songs and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, but to be able to like
Speaker 1: basically be the go to person for somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, the filter to me that that that
Speaker 1: like I just needed. I want to know more about
Speaker 1: like where where he learned that trade, where he became
Speaker 1: respected or was well known enough to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, Jimmy Hart's the guy we need. So
Speaker 1: in the same way, you know, like any of these guys,
Speaker 1: it's not even just Jimmy Hard, any of these guys
Speaker 1: Like where did that? Why? Why did that happen? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting to see Jimmy Hard on the
Speaker 2: stage on the SmackDown tribute, you know, front and center,
Speaker 2: dagging his eyes, crying his eyes out. I mean, this
Speaker 2: guy made his whole thing about being Hulk Hogan's hype
Speaker 2: man basically, and I don't know, maybe one day he
Speaker 2: saw Hulk do something he shouldn't have been doing, and
Speaker 2: Hulk's warmed his secrecy in exchange for a lifetime job.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing that tends to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that either.
Speaker 2: Putting that potential on the table as well, Stephen writes,
Speaker 2: you know, I imagine a major grip gripe that Hogan
Speaker 2: sent Jimmy to Eric with was people standing behind him
Speaker 2: and lingering for a second.
Speaker 1: I've been here for a while, dude. One thing I've
Speaker 1: really you know, and they don't do it this way
Speaker 1: in New York. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, was a very very you know that
Speaker 1: was heard a lot. That was heard a lot by
Speaker 1: Eric Bischoff. Right, I'm just saying by Hulk Hogan, they
Speaker 1: could have been his third book. Eric, Hulk's just saying again, brother,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just saying, dude, you know right, you do, brother,
Speaker 1: you do you dude. I'm not trying to criticize. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to tell you what better, brother, But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, I'm just saying, dude, that in New York
Speaker 1: they did it better.
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Speaker 1: Visa VI. The real wrestling in New York. That's basically,
Speaker 1: I just don't want you to be a bitch, all right,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to be perceived as a bitch.
Speaker 1: Like you know, all those guys know they're going to say,
Speaker 1: you know, what's up with that, Eric, he's a bitch. Oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna say that, Terry. Well, I'm trying nothing about that.
Speaker 2: Oh I see, trying to prevent them from saying it. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, well I'll just say one to the head.
Speaker 2: Appears you failed like a pile driver. Thank you very
Speaker 2: much for that increase to the eptre Bez writes, the
Speaker 2: co chairs don't just do impressions. They almost seemed to
Speaker 2: become the person. I felt like I was really listening
Speaker 2: to Ready Savage talking to Jim Ross. Well, you felt
Speaker 2: like it was Ready Savage talking to somebody. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that jed our impression was there, Yeah, but we
Speaker 2: appreciate that. That that's part of the magic. You're going
Speaker 2: to see with your own two eyes. August third, a
Speaker 2: comedy village in New York. It's damn right, You're damn
Speaker 2: fucking right. It's one thing to hear it, friends, but
Speaker 2: to see to see it. Pop visually. I think is
Speaker 2: something that anyone who's come to one of our live
Speaker 2: shows before Convouts for is being worth the price of
Speaker 2: admission alone. Yeah, Steve says being a fan. Became a
Speaker 2: fan in late two thousand and one. So I witnessed
Speaker 2: the Attitude era initially completely through tape and DVD. So
Speaker 2: I invite you to think about you know, we just
Speaker 2: want to talk about how we became acquainted with the
Speaker 2: eighties Hulkamania through tape. Yes, what about people who became
Speaker 2: familiar with the Attitude era through tape?
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that's just that's that's painful. I mean
Speaker 1: that's painful. I mean I just don't imagine how you
Speaker 1: could do it. It's so much, so much more volume
Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, like how do you weekly tell it?
Speaker 1: It's insane weekly television. But also just the idea that
Speaker 1: if you're watching, you know, I had to watch four
Speaker 1: pay per views to get a whole w B year,
Speaker 1: but you have to get twelve to fourteen depending on
Speaker 1: UK shows. If that interest you, absolutely right. So that's
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that's rough.
Speaker 2: That's a whole Yeah, that's a whole steeper hill than
Speaker 2: we ever had to climb to get up to date.
Speaker 2: That's for damn sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Steve also notes because of the progressing Illustrated article that
Speaker 2: we read from on our Bash at the Beach ninety
Speaker 2: four episode that had Hogan and Flair on the cover
Speaker 2: and got all the buzz started. Yes, Bill Watts of
Speaker 2: all people, was quoted in there about how big it
Speaker 2: would be if Hulkan Rick could come together and do
Speaker 2: a promotional vehicle together. And Steve makes a great point
Speaker 2: in saying that Bill Watts is quoted about the Hogan jump,
Speaker 2: as he spent a good twenty minutes of each mid
Speaker 2: eighties episode of Mid South calling Hogan a poor actor
Speaker 2: and a fraud.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was going off on Hogan back then,
Speaker 2: and it's funny, but that's the wrestling business. Hogan, who
Speaker 2: face recently joined the mote tier, and we want to
Speaker 2: thank him very much. Tony Gelder will see you. We'll
Speaker 2: see you in fucking New York. Oh yeah, Tim, we'll
Speaker 2: see you, he says, good afternoon, gentlemen. Submitted for your
Speaker 2: approval is my receipt for a purchase of a ticket
Speaker 2: to your show at Comedy Village. Because this is and
Speaker 2: always continues to be not a fucking game.
Speaker 1: Damn right.
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Speaker 2: up my ass through some of the most difficult years
Speaker 2: of my life. And now it's time to do the
Speaker 2: right thing, he writes, and take the ride down to
Speaker 2: pay proper tribute at the Church of the Lapsed. So
Speaker 2: shall it be written, So shall it be done?
Speaker 1: You bay, there we go, and now we're talking some
Speaker 1: sweet ten commandments there brother, thank you both for eleven
Speaker 1: years of lapse to see you there.
Speaker 2: We'll see you there. Very excited about this, very much
Speaker 2: called four. Oh yes, James writes. My nominees for most
Speaker 2: irrelevant ljnfigure? Yes, who did we pick? For those who
Speaker 2: might not have caught it yet?
Speaker 1: For LJN figure? Oh god, who it was? Somebody we
Speaker 1: had outback jack win? Maybe I think outback Jack one.
Speaker 1: Have you considered SD Jones? You know, the thing about st.
Speaker 1: Jones is that he was at WRESTLINGIA one. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: So do that qualify something?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: That makes him a little bit different, But it's valid.
Speaker 1: It's it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: It reports St Jones even had a variation figure, which
Speaker 2: I did not know. That's not okay, that's not okay
Speaker 2: to do two different Yeah, what do you who's buying it?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Yeah? One one is enough with
Speaker 1: SD okay? And what was our final verdict on the
Speaker 1: most what the fuck? Has Bro's? Probably skinny? We it
Speaker 1: was skinner it was it might have been Repo man.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that one really hit me too. That they
Speaker 2: came on someone else else is a good one. Someone
Speaker 2: came with a new foundation Jim knightheart. Oh yeah, Actually,
Speaker 2: you know, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Guys? You know weird? I mean, because yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that's not that's not bad, because you know he was
Speaker 1: new foundation for like what two months? It was old
Speaker 1: foundation by the time it hit the shell exactly, it
Speaker 1: really was. It was who gives a fuck foundation by
Speaker 1: the time it hit the shelves. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: I made that. I made my herd foundation. You even
Speaker 1: drew on, did you? I drew I drew a black
Speaker 1: tank top on him with a sharpie so that he
Speaker 1: could look more like Brett, so I could have my
Speaker 1: heart foundation. You needed heart foundation? Yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the exciting part about having Jim Nightheart. I never found
Speaker 1: O one hard until you know, much later in life.
Speaker 1: What a travesty that there wasn't a Brett Hasbro till
Speaker 1: as late as there was. I know, what are they thinking?
Speaker 1: Why wasn't there a Brette Hasbro in ninety one? I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's really strange to me. It's ridiculous, honestly,
Speaker 1: Like he that seems like a like a like just
Speaker 1: an easy and easy, an easy one. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know why.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I know if I think hard
Speaker 2: enough about the calendar as far as when they were together,
Speaker 2: but maybe not. Why would there be Rockers demolition with Crush?
Speaker 2: Why would there be a Legion of Doom? Why would
Speaker 2: there be all these Hasbro tag teams and not a
Speaker 2: Heart Foundation one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they didn't start doing it. I guess
Speaker 1: it's interesting too, you know when when the when the
Speaker 1: Hasbro's first came out in nineteen ninety, you know, it's
Speaker 1: funny that they had demolition they did that they beat
Speaker 1: basically at SummerSlam, I know, so they didn't have the
Speaker 1: they didn't have the Crush one yet TI ninety one
Speaker 1: that's true. In nineteen ninety, it was it was just
Speaker 1: acts and smashing the single like. They didn't have a
Speaker 1: tag team set. It was just the single figures.
Speaker 2: But still, oh really, let's make a rhythm and blues
Speaker 2: tag team. Even though the hammered Valentine figure never hit
Speaker 2: the shelves before, we make a hard foundation.
Speaker 1: It's very it's strange, it's so.
Speaker 2: Strange, unacceptable, Chuck writes, listening to each of the a
Speaker 2: la carte in order. I think it was towards the
Speaker 2: end of Tony Mercedes I realized that this match, being
Speaker 2: the greatest live call of all time was inevitable, and
Speaker 2: anticipation only grew from there. Somehow it still exceeded all
Speaker 2: my expectations all time classic. Yeah, it was once that
Speaker 2: one was over, I'm like, all right, this was a
Speaker 2: good idea, especially when Tony berries her face and Sasha's
Speaker 2: crotch and your mom has.
Speaker 1: To react to that. Oh yes, listen, there there are
Speaker 1: some beautiful, beautiful, beautiful things.
Speaker 2: How about the Dominio's points. I wasn't expecting the majority
Speaker 2: of this call to be Mama Sorrow calling out the
Speaker 2: legality and values of America. Then JP saying quote because
Speaker 2: they signed a contract and it was notarized. That's why
Speaker 2: how this is okay. Of course, referring to Adam Page
Speaker 2: getting stabbing John Moxley in the head.
Speaker 1: Of the foot because it's not her eyes, it's fucking
Speaker 1: I do get such great pleasure in just trying to
Speaker 1: just talk about legalities in regards to wrestling, that they
Speaker 1: signed away their rights because when they decided to do
Speaker 1: this match, and therefore that's why everything they do is legal.
Speaker 1: That's why you can't call the police and you.
Speaker 2: Talk to her as if, like everyone else in society
Speaker 2: understands this about the nature of contractual law and combats.
Speaker 1: Why don't you mom right?
Speaker 2: Sorry, if we've got to go through CIVIX one on one,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll do it. Julian Wilson, thank you for
Speaker 2: joining the EPTRE. We appreciate the cake. Matt Anderson, we
Speaker 2: appreciate you son. Frank Kirshner, thank.
Speaker 1: You so much. What about Adam Baum did he not
Speaker 1: have a He did? He had a hasbro.
Speaker 2: You know what, he was a big enough, colorful enough,
Speaker 2: he had a push. He wasn't like a permanent job
Speaker 2: or like Skinner and repel Man. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 2: what's so weird about it is these aren't guys that
Speaker 2: had winning streaks, These guys that really you would watch
Speaker 2: WWF television and get excited about what they were going
Speaker 2: to do next.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't get with all the options they
Speaker 2: had while they picked certain guys that that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Listen, I agree.
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you how about we make a
Speaker 2: Skinner toy before Brett Hart toy for instance, or a.
Speaker 1: Berserker right, great one Berserker one? And also, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: I think, why didn't Tito have one years before? Why
Speaker 1: to El Matador? Yeah, why isn't there a strike Force one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I bet if we looked at it hard enough, there's
Speaker 2: probably a two month period where they decided on most
Speaker 2: of the line and who was on TV, and that
Speaker 2: two month period is who got figures. And it's just
Speaker 2: totally arbitrary. It doesn't stretch as far left to right.
Speaker 1: But I guess I guess what makes like the ones
Speaker 1: like Skinner and what and repel Man is that you know,
Speaker 1: you think if Skinner's run really is from fall of
Speaker 1: ninety one up until WrestleMania with a little fucking couple
Speaker 1: of things here and there. The same thing with Repo Man,
Speaker 1: like well repe Man at least I guess went to SummerSlam.
Speaker 1: But like these figures came out like in ninety three.
Speaker 1: That's what makes it even weirder is that they may
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it probably took a little bit
Speaker 1: longer to make sure to make the figures, but like
Speaker 1: the they came out. I'm going to get the exact
Speaker 1: dates here because I need to know now. It just
Speaker 1: it's just wacky to me that that that that they
Speaker 1: came out so late. They got the oh yeah, hear
Speaker 1: this so serious? This is serious. Series I don't know
Speaker 1: when Series three came out, but not so series Series five.
Speaker 1: Series five is Skinner now that came out in ninety three,
Speaker 1: maybe even ninety four, ninety three. I'm gonna say, like
Speaker 1: late ninety three, that had Virgil the war I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are gone. Virgil the Warlord, the MOUNDI Irwin
Speaker 1: the Model, Rick Martel had one, don't forget it, had
Speaker 1: one well after he was gone. Yeah, that's just what
Speaker 1: the weird thing is. The you know, the flare one
Speaker 1: was well after he was gone.
Speaker 2: Bizarre, very bizarre. They must have been they must have
Speaker 2: been deeply frustrated at Hasbro. They get this figure on
Speaker 2: the shelves so that they think is going to sell
Speaker 2: and the guy's gout of the company. Yep, even if
Speaker 2: it's a main event. Guy, you think you're safe there? Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: the mysteries of the Hasbro world. Indeed, now you asked
Speaker 2: one point, like you got to split the gum out.
Speaker 2: If you're wrestling, you can't put chewing gum. It makes
Speaker 2: it too fake. Remember when what we're talking about that? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: Well the homie Scott Michael had a good point. He said,
Speaker 2: The one thing I'll say in defensive gum chewing is
Speaker 2: that it has been a game changer for me and
Speaker 2: my asthma lungs. If I'm doing card or an intense workout,
Speaker 2: my throat dries up quickly by breathing is ass and
Speaker 2: then I start coughing. Chewing gum helps me to keep
Speaker 2: the saliva going and almost keeps makes me feel like
Speaker 2: I can breathe normally.
Speaker 1: Listen. That I totally get. But I'm talking about being
Speaker 1: in a fight. Oh yeah, yeah, well he says, you're
Speaker 1: in a fight, are you chewing gum? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably not, even if you're afraid you're going to gag.
Speaker 2: But the thing is the mouthpiece, like you can't. That's
Speaker 2: the thing about I'm thinking to fight sports. Of course,
Speaker 2: something in a boxing running right, he says. You know, now,
Speaker 2: I mean, if I was in a real fight, I
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be chewing in case I get knocked out
Speaker 2: and ended up choking on that shit. But none of
Speaker 2: these dudes are in real fights.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is I mean, it is true, but that's
Speaker 1: the whole point that they're supposed to be pretend that
Speaker 1: they're in real fights.
Speaker 2: But I will tend differently in the future at wrestlers
Speaker 2: chewing gum if it does indeed help, you know, prevent
Speaker 2: gagging and stuff. Because I remember there was one UFC fighter,
Speaker 2: I think he never made it anywhere, but he was
Speaker 2: on he was on one of the old fighter reality shows,
Speaker 2: and the guy could not keep the mouthpiece in. He
Speaker 2: just gagged every time he had the mouthpiece. He was
Speaker 2: it was a huge issue because my mouthpiece falls out.
Speaker 2: The referees kind of obliged to stop the fight and
Speaker 2: put it back in. That's supposed to, you know, not
Speaker 2: only help protect you against knockouts and keep your jaw flex,
Speaker 2: but you know, you lose all your fucking teeth and
Speaker 2: two fights you don't have that thing in your in
Speaker 2: your mouth. It was like it was a disaster. They
Speaker 2: had to like stop the fight like a hundred times,
Speaker 2: and it was like, how do we know he's not
Speaker 2: doing it on purpose? You know, it's crazy. So that's
Speaker 2: there are wrestlers out there who would get you know,
Speaker 2: that dry mouth or have trouble breathing, even though it
Speaker 2: does make it look fake. I guess it's it's either
Speaker 2: true gum or don't make a living as a pro wrestler.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I guess it.
Speaker 2: So the homie butt stuff and Heen and I think
Speaker 2: they should bring in a wrestler to be l A
Speaker 2: Knight's stag partner and call him La Day. You could
Speaker 2: call the team the La Times. Oh, that's definitely a team.
Speaker 2: Jack Coil get into thank you. He also things I
Speaker 2: think jelly Rolls whole marketing employee is I've been through
Speaker 2: some tough times and I have tattoos to show for it.
Speaker 2: He says, if you're a covering metha crack cocaine addict
Speaker 2: and you've done some jail time, Jelly Roll is your guy,
Speaker 2: especially if you want to come out and like, you know,
Speaker 2: if you want to come out and just like stop
Speaker 2: other people from get becoming addicts, you know, like save people,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: If that's great, just stay out of the wrestling ring.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're ready for any ready for him
Speaker 2: at to wrestle at Summerslim. You know about this, right, No,
Speaker 2: he's been doing angles with Logan, Paul and smack Down
Speaker 2: every week. He's been throwing four arms, he's been getting physical. No,
Speaker 2: he's been doing he's doing the Tennessee twang on the promos.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Logan. I think you're a
Speaker 1: bitch Loogan. Oh man, just why why is he doing this?
Speaker 2: And like or loves being associated with a real celebrity
Speaker 2: you know, of course he does. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if this will change by the time we get to
Speaker 2: a live call. But they put McIntyre in as as
Speaker 2: Paul's partner for the match, and then McIntyre goes home
Speaker 2: to England or the UK for a wedding and due
Speaker 2: to passport issues, he's stuck in the country and he
Speaker 2: probably can't make it to Summer Slam.
Speaker 1: That I did, I did see that one. I did
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 2: That's modern wrestling, man, What the fuck? There's always some
Speaker 2: stupid bullshit. If someone getting hurt doing a totally basic move,
Speaker 2: you know, some like arbitrary reason that, like something that
Speaker 2: you're you're built up to look forward to, totally doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous. Wait, why are you letting the guys
Speaker 1: go to weddings? It's a good question. Why are you
Speaker 1: doing that? I thought I'd go to a wedding the
Speaker 1: week before sommer slab. All right, well maybe it was
Speaker 1: as good pal I'm sure as Bal was happy he
Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, but now the fans what are what
Speaker 1: the fans?
Speaker 5: I know?
Speaker 2: Now we're not gonna get who on the live call,
Speaker 2: which is definitely a loss for everybody. Brent Ericson, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for bumping up to the moat tier.
Speaker 2: That's a big veiny move of you, and we noticed it.
Speaker 2: James Cordy, thanks you very much for your support on
Speaker 2: patreon dot com slash the lapsed fans. Same to you,
Speaker 2: Caleb him and Chris Erba, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your respective pledges. Kevin writes most WTFLJN. He submits out
Speaker 2: back Jack at LJN he proudly owns. So there's a
Speaker 2: vote for that. Adam writes modern day ted arcity looks
Speaker 2: like he knows too much about the dark Web.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. Zach wants to know. You
Speaker 1: know who else changed the locks? Barry Oberwitzah. Zach also writes.
Speaker 2: He's the one who's wtf Hasbro's high energy Jim in
Speaker 2: the anvil? So that's where that came from. Okay, so
Speaker 2: put them one in the category there. And he also
Speaker 2: says Dan Spivey would be walking and in the middle
Speaker 2: of his walk it starts pouring rain. He doesn't change
Speaker 2: his gait or pace in the slightest, just a tiny
Speaker 2: smile forms on his face. Yes, he says, Spivey talking
Speaker 2: like he just discovered the concept of free will. And
Speaker 2: a BWF magazine interview is pretty outstanding. That's available to
Speaker 2: you as part of the Colosseum collection Best of the
Speaker 2: Wwfelony Mate and the Short Lived Attempt to Make Dan
Speaker 2: Spivey Well, Dan Hogan and Jeff wonders, is that blonde
Speaker 2: Dan Spivey or Martin short playing Jackie Rogers Junior? Is
Speaker 2: that Wayla Mercy? Or is it Walton Goggins. I mean,
Speaker 2: which is a great point, Joe writes co chairs listening
Speaker 2: to the new Colosseum collection when talking about if Dan
Speaker 2: Spivey became Dan Hogan. As I was painting my garage
Speaker 2: and I almost fell off a ladder because I have
Speaker 2: an uncle with that name and who, despite giving me
Speaker 2: ship for the last thirty three years about my love
Speaker 2: of scripted athletics, bought me my first galubes in nineteen
Speaker 2: nins right, shout out to uncle jo uncle Dan.
Speaker 1: Hogan, Dan Hogan, that would have been the name. That
Speaker 1: would have been the name for Spivey, kind of like
Speaker 1: Evad Sullivan. You know, I know, I'll like to introduce
Speaker 1: you brother to my uncle Dan Hogan. Dude, what did
Speaker 1: he have a nephew? Nephew Horace Hogan?
Speaker 2: And yeah, oh man, just fucking we talked about We
Speaker 2: talked about Rusty Brooks for the one and only time
Speaker 2: because he's in a coliseum wrestling Hulk Hogan in a
Speaker 2: ten second TV match before Randy Savage jumps Hulk, and
Speaker 2: Greg writes two things about Rusty Brooks. One, the WWF
Speaker 2: often booked him on Florida shows because he provided or
Speaker 2: rented out the ring to them.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's interesting. Wow.
Speaker 2: And he also portrayed a Mario character in i w
Speaker 2: CCW called super Duper Mario. Oh no, and that those
Speaker 2: are some unfortunate YouTube videos if you can find them,
Speaker 2: let me tell you that. Oh the ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Rusty Brooks, Okay, we've definitely checked that box Rus Brooks.
Speaker 2: Rustin is exactly washer wonders. Has there ever been a
Speaker 2: more different contract two gimmicks in the same body as
Speaker 2: laps dance bivey and lapsed Whale and Mercy Aby lapsed
Speaker 2: dolely and lapsed Doly.
Speaker 1: That's that's that is definitely true. So that's definitely true.
Speaker 2: But you know who isn't kind of two faced and
Speaker 2: who comes off consistently in just exactly one way every
Speaker 2: single time, no matter what you say to him?
Speaker 1: Who Zach brought it to us?
Speaker 3: This is w w E Hall of Famer Tito Santana
Speaker 3: giving a shout out to Jack as me by Zach.
Speaker 4: So you're right back in the nineties the body Jesse
Speaker 4: Ventura used to say, I used to sell tacos in Tijuana. Well,
Speaker 4: Jesse was a great commentator and a great wrestler who
Speaker 4: did say that? Plus a bunch of other stuff, But no, Jack,
Speaker 4: I was born in Mission, Texas.
Speaker 1: I was a migrant. I worked in the fields. I
Speaker 1: wish I was a good cook. I wish I could
Speaker 1: cook in Schilada's like my mom, But I can't.
Speaker 3: My mom, Mexican mom, wouldn't let the boys do anything
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. She did everything for us.
Speaker 1: May she rest in peace.
Speaker 4: So you're right, Jesse, the body which ends up to
Speaker 4: be a really good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: I hope I answered your question, Jack, I.
Speaker 2: Can only what I like to do is like reverse
Speaker 2: engineer what the questions were, because I see the answers
Speaker 2: before I see the questions. Yes, and he must have
Speaker 2: asked him like, did you did you grow up in
Speaker 2: Mexico selling tacos?
Speaker 1: Were you ever a taco vendor?
Speaker 3: Esse?
Speaker 1: Jesse Ventura clanned? And can you make uncolentary Enchiladas? I
Speaker 1: guess are very good? I guess that's a great question. Really.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's one thing I didn't know about you?
Speaker 1: So do you make? Do you make Enchilada's? Big fan
Speaker 1: of Enchilada's since I started living down in Mexico. Hey, Hey, Hey, Chico. Hey,
Speaker 1: now wait just a minute, now, wait, just you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me. You're gonna tell me Chevani that Chico Santana
Speaker 1: never sold tacos in Tijuana. I wasn't born yesterday. I
Speaker 1: wasn't I wasn't born in Mexico, but I do live there.
Speaker 1: William says, sids epidermous fluid contains baby oil, vienna juice warmed,
Speaker 1: not gelatinous, as if it was heated in the microwave,
Speaker 1: round up and infield dirt. I mean it's round round
Speaker 1: is a tough, tough one that one hits I I
Speaker 1: you know, and I also think part of it is
Speaker 1: to of Sid's skin. You know, when you cook a
Speaker 1: hot dog a little too long and then you let
Speaker 1: it sit out and it gets all shrivey and like
Speaker 1: tough and crunchy. Gross. Right now, that's part of it
Speaker 1: right there, that Sid.
Speaker 2: So they are from Tito Santana, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Always good to hear from I think I think we
Speaker 2: can say, boss, it's always good to hear from Tito, right, yes,
Speaker 2: it is always, especially when it's unexpected. Christopher says, I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm having a coliseum colonoscopy and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying stop, I'm just saying more Miralaxe, and he said, fascinatingly,
Speaker 2: write this one down for the upcoming the complete Hull Cogan.
Speaker 2: Hogan did challenge for the Intercontinental.
Speaker 1: Title outside of the Wrestlmini six match in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: Whoa against two Pedro Morales and none of Wow than
Speaker 1: look at that? Can we deal with that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, I cannot.
Speaker 2: Andrew noticed the lapsed editor article for the mailbag. Hello,
Speaker 2: I formally submit the attached article from the Atlanta Constitution, Atlanta, Georgia, Sunday,
Speaker 2: October twenty second, nineteen seventy eight, just around the time
Speaker 2: Hogan would have arrived down there, with the following excerpt. Today,
Speaker 2: the sport of kings has become rosslin, as practiced by
Speaker 2: the National Wrestling Alliance and other similar federations of promoters
Speaker 2: throughout the country. Wrestling today is considered by many to
Speaker 2: be more theater than sport. You ready for the quote
Speaker 2: from Atlantic Constitution Executive Sports editor Paul Body, please, As
Speaker 2: the paper notes, echoing the policies of numerous newspapers, the
Speaker 2: quote is we don't cover it because it's a feature event.
Speaker 2: It's a set script the promoters already know what the
Speaker 2: outcome will be. Oh, yes they do, Yes they do.
Speaker 1: Putting that quote in an article just amazing. I have
Speaker 1: no problem with it shadows whatsoever.
Speaker 2: To Andre who took the time to make a image
Speaker 2: of what the Dance Spivey book we suggested might look like.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember the title we suggested, Boss,
Speaker 2: but I don't put it in the chat while you
Speaker 2: just you just said the word right there. I need
Speaker 2: to take a good look at what a score one
Speaker 2: for a I R.
Speaker 1: On this one. I have to say, tell him, tell
Speaker 1: him what you're.
Speaker 6: Saying, tell him what you see. It got fucking wail
Speaker 6: and mercy dance Spiby sitting with his elbows on his.
Speaker 1: Knees, his his his his hands clapped together, and his
Speaker 1: like leaning on it with his chin behind him. Is
Speaker 1: the word don't underneath don't. This is the book title.
Speaker 1: Don't is this book tip? And the subtitle is long
Speaker 1: Strides and Low Ambition. Dan Spivey guy has no chance
Speaker 1: showing up on that tape when he did, no chance. None. Listen,
Speaker 1: it's totally fucked all right. Fucking shirt too. That that
Speaker 1: shirt is hilarious. I mean I'll tell you this is
Speaker 1: this is what AI is all is all about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right to me, this is what AI needs to be.
Speaker 1: It's this or or what you know Tim's shirt and
Speaker 1: I do. We'll text each other, you know, something will
Speaker 1: something will spawn some topic and we'll start sending each other. Yes,
Speaker 1: AI images of film composers wrestling. Oh, I can see that.
Speaker 1: I'm like John Williams, like, of course, trying to make
Speaker 1: trying to make Hans Zimmer submit in order they have
Speaker 1: a ladder match, and it's just like, it's just fucking
Speaker 1: it's so, it's just it's crazy, it's absurd. But that's
Speaker 1: that's what AI is good for. Yeah, stop taking jobs.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it. You know what, TKO isn't good
Speaker 2: for wrestling? According to Josh from Knoxville, Tennessee, I'd like
Speaker 2: you to share his well well phrased sentiments with the
Speaker 2: Solar System boss.
Speaker 1: There you go, okay, dear CoA chairman. Since the TKO merger,
Speaker 1: WWE has become less of a wrestling company and more
Speaker 1: of a branded content wasteland designed by people who wouldn't
Speaker 1: know a wristlock from a wristwatch. It's not storytelling. It's
Speaker 1: corporate LARPing. What's LARPing? I don't know LARPing. I think
Speaker 1: it's like carping. Oh okay, let me let me take
Speaker 1: a look. Actually I don't know. And and not the
Speaker 1: fun kinda oh I see, oh I see. I uh,
Speaker 1: and not the fun kind. This is excel sheet wrestling,
Speaker 1: booked by market analysts and delivered in digestible chunks for
Speaker 1: board executives who think kay sahebe is a sushi role.
Speaker 1: I do like spreadsheet wrestling. That actually, yes, that that's
Speaker 1: that is tremendous. That's really clearly brilliant. I like I
Speaker 1: like that they're booked by market analysts. Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. It's like you have stock stock
Speaker 1: market analysts who are saying, well, you know, I think
Speaker 1: this this one would really kind of boost the numbers.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they used to laugh people off the investors calls
Speaker 2: that used to talk about the storylines, and now like
Speaker 2: right right, those people, it is basically deciding what direction
Speaker 2: it all takes.
Speaker 1: And yet, like a fool, I keep showing up. It's correcting, praying, needing,
Speaker 1: but not wwe Oh no, I need the co chairman
Speaker 1: in my ass like WW needs another grifter YouTuber overreacting
Speaker 1: to another Paul Hayman promo. I need it the way
Speaker 1: Triple H needs to treat every post pl E press
Speaker 1: conference like a super Bowl winning coat. You are the
Speaker 1: only ones reminding me that it used to mean something.
Speaker 1: You're my tether to win. This business was still run
Speaker 1: by sociopaths and not spreadsheets. And that's it. You know what,
Speaker 1: do you prefer sociopaths or spreadsheets? That's a good t
Speaker 1: shirt right there. Sociopaths over spreadsheets? Is that some That's
Speaker 1: about the sum of it, you know. There it is
Speaker 1: when a worked shoot meant something, when Danger and Carnie
Speaker 1: Magic lived under every turnbuckle. Now Cody finishes the story
Speaker 1: and it still feels like page one. Roman's off on
Speaker 1: PTO La Knights catchphrases have been focus grouped into oblivion
Speaker 1: and logan Paul Asmo become one of the most protected
Speaker 1: workers on the roster, which tells me everything I need
Speaker 1: to know about the target demographic. Right not me, It's
Speaker 1: just it's not just creative. WWE n R TKO has
Speaker 1: become a content farm, not a wrestling company. Everything is monetized,
Speaker 1: clipped packaged and forgotten. Listen, you want moments, we get
Speaker 1: metrics and the kicker. They've taken the fans completely out
Speaker 1: of the question. WWE has become a product for partners,
Speaker 1: shareholders and international media rights fans. We're the ones they
Speaker 1: fleece with fanatics hoodies and CGI lighting lightning bolts. And
Speaker 1: if you're not compliant with the narrative, you're not the
Speaker 1: target demo anymore. Ingo, So I come to you, Jack
Speaker 1: and JP. Keep me warm, keep me lapsed, keep me prolapsed,
Speaker 1: keep me deep in that audio documentary goodness, because if
Speaker 1: I have to watch WWE, pretend it's prestige television for
Speaker 1: another quarter. Oh wait till the fucking unreal show comes out.
Speaker 1: Oh man, wait for that. You know, they think they're
Speaker 1: doing the they're basically think they're doing the f one
Speaker 1: racing thing, right, like the behind the scenes, like listen,
Speaker 1: nobody cares all right, like nobody think.
Speaker 2: There was a quote I read from a Netflix guy,
Speaker 2: or I think the guy who directed it for Netflix,
Speaker 2: because it is kind of an outside person that did
Speaker 2: this project and he thinks like this is going to
Speaker 2: hook new people into WW when they realize how it
Speaker 2: all works.
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes. No, no, they're not. It's it's gonna
Speaker 1: turn What it's gonna do is it's gonna turn people
Speaker 1: who were on there on the last threads away. No,
Speaker 1: one's gonna fucking wat Why why would I want to?
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, okay, because it's like having a
Speaker 1: weekly television show of a movie being made and then
Speaker 1: you go see the movie when it comes out, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Listen, I'm fascinated by that stuff, and
Speaker 1: I would want to. I would want to, I would
Speaker 1: want to experience it, but I'm not gonna watch it.
Speaker 1: It's fucking stupid. Like, if anything, they should have made
Speaker 1: this a fictional show. Well, you know that's that would
Speaker 1: be funny. It will be I mean, right, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It will be, guys, like help it work if a
Speaker 1: camera's on in the room. It's it's just you know.
Speaker 2: I know because I remember talking to Court Bauer about
Speaker 2: this years ago, because I I did a hit on
Speaker 2: Wrestling Observer Radio with Dave and Bryan one time because
Speaker 2: we were talking. I was talking about how this idea
Speaker 2: would I think be a way to drive subscriptions to
Speaker 2: the network.
Speaker 1: By the way, just kind I asked them to think
Speaker 1: about this. Did you ever think back in like two
Speaker 1: thousand and two that you'd ever be like, you know,
Speaker 1: doing shit with Dave? Well not, No. I corresponded with
Speaker 1: him regularly, and I interviewed him a bunch of times.
Speaker 1: But not when you were in college just reading me
Speaker 1: the observer. No, like, did you ever think you would
Speaker 1: like collaborate or whatever. No, no, no, no, no, not
Speaker 1: the odd just calling into his radio show and like
Speaker 1: emailing them and stuff. Yet right now, that's that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't lose sight of that ten years on. You
Speaker 1: know how he came into the fold in those early
Speaker 1: WrestleMania and Star Kate episodes, and that's pretty wild to
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. But we were just talking
Speaker 2: about like in those earliest days in the network, when
Speaker 2: it was just run by WW there was no peacock,
Speaker 2: there was no guaranteed money. They were sweating every single
Speaker 2: month the subscriber number and what they'd have to report
Speaker 2: to Wall Street at the end of the quarter. They
Speaker 2: were pulling all kinds of gammicks. Remember like if you
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you get you lock in a cheaper price,
Speaker 2: if you agree not to cancel for six months, and
Speaker 2: it's like, you have no control of where whether someone
Speaker 2: cancels or not. You can't do that to people, right,
Speaker 2: You can't insist that they paid for something every month
Speaker 2: that they unless you make them sign an anual contract.
Speaker 2: But they never really wanted to do that because they
Speaker 2: were so stuck on that nine to ninety nine numbers,
Speaker 2: this like psychological thing, and they were just like constantly
Speaker 2: touting how many total hours of footage they had on
Speaker 2: there and playing all these games ye and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what if they just, you know, what if a way
Speaker 2: to get all the people who watched Raw, which was
Speaker 2: in the millions compared to the hundreds of thousands that
Speaker 2: had the network, or at least the Nielsen ratings gave
Speaker 2: us the sense that it was in the millions anyway,
Speaker 2: if you gave them sort of like follow on shoulder
Speaker 2: programming where they actually could see how the episode of
Speaker 2: Raw that they just saw came together. Because there was
Speaker 2: so much it was becoming so clear that the network
Speaker 2: was hitting primarily people who you know, had enough of
Speaker 2: a familiarity and affinity for WW It was their core
Speaker 2: core base. It was people who might actually be interested
Speaker 2: in kind of pulling back the curtain a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I thought it would generate a lot of mainstream publicity.
Speaker 2: WW pulls back the curtain. I thought the stories wrote themselves,
Speaker 2: you know, the WWE's letting the audience into the room
Speaker 2: and stuff. Yea, all these years later, they're actually doing it.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I always wondered about as
Speaker 2: far as how to get around it is kind of
Speaker 2: like what you're saying, Like when you think about seeing
Speaker 2: someone making a movie and then going to watch the movie,
Speaker 2: that doesn't that doesn't really sound that intriguing. But if
Speaker 2: you see it after the movie comes out, like you
Speaker 2: would see a making a documentary.
Speaker 1: But that's that's one off thing. Yeah, one one off
Speaker 1: thing for one movie. That's a one off thing. Like you, yes,
Speaker 1: of course listen, I I I always love features and
Speaker 1: and and what I've always loved that like and one
Speaker 1: of my favorites of all time is the is in
Speaker 1: the The Gladiator Extended edition that came out in like
Speaker 1: two thousand and five or whatever. They had a three
Speaker 1: hour documentary and listen, that's great. But also the difference
Speaker 1: is too is that there were real stakes actually involved,
Speaker 1: whereas like and I get that there are real stakes here.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a lot of drama that what
Speaker 1: happened on in that particular movie, And I just I
Speaker 1: just don't think a weekly television show is what the is?
Speaker 1: What the answer is A one off thing is different.
Speaker 1: If they did a two hour documentary, I think that
Speaker 1: would be interesting, Yeah, but I think having a weekly
Speaker 1: television program about how they create the fake wrestling is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he listened.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong. I think there's a way to wrong
Speaker 2: to do it, but I don't know. The reason to
Speaker 2: the core Pauer about it was because he used to
Speaker 2: be in the writing team. We've had him on the show.
Speaker 2: He talked about Art of War Games. You used to
Speaker 2: be MLW Bookern was there. He said they were working
Speaker 2: on something like that. At one point they were kind
Speaker 2: of messing around with the pilot, and he said one
Speaker 2: of the things, if I'm remembering correctly, at hate to
Speaker 2: be misquoting him, but it was sort of like what
Speaker 2: happened was people on the writing team, especially once he
Speaker 2: used to be you know, wrestlers or television personalities, they
Speaker 2: just immediately just started trying to become the star of
Speaker 2: the show. And you actually didn't end up all getting
Speaker 2: a reflection of the organic creation process, because what's really
Speaker 2: key about that whole thing is that the real decisions
Speaker 2: are made after the meeting's over, the one to one
Speaker 2: little conversations in the hallway, right, you know, where everyone's
Speaker 2: k favoring each other in the room. So I do
Speaker 2: look forward to them pretending that the big conference table
Speaker 2: is where the real winners and losers get picked, when
Speaker 2: in reality, it's just like that's the consensus and then
Speaker 2: everyone goes in politics one to one afterwards to make
Speaker 2: last minute changes not I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Triple Ah is receptive to that or not. But
Speaker 2: we're going to see. And the idea that they the
Speaker 2: idea I think is going to drive new fans, is
Speaker 2: pretty hilarious to me. I've seen stranger things I've seen.
Speaker 2: I've seen Total Bella's drastically increase the amount of women
Speaker 2: watching RAW.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I mean yeah, I mean listen, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not saying that it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: I just I just don't see how that would do
Speaker 1: the trick to me. It just I just can't I
Speaker 1: can't picture it. I don't see it, Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: it will maybe maybe you will do everything you know
Speaker 1: that they're that they're fucking talking about, But it just
Speaker 1: I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it at all.
Speaker 2: It's very I look forward to seeing how they present
Speaker 2: it because it's something I've thought about what it would
Speaker 2: look like for a long time. I thought it was
Speaker 2: going to be a lot more interesting when Vince was around,
Speaker 2: because everyone always so you really want to know what
Speaker 2: I really thought the value would be, honestly, is to
Speaker 2: be able to study the look on Vince's face and
Speaker 2: the tone of his voice when he discussed his individual talent,
Speaker 2: like that means yeah, because that to me get talent
Speaker 2: over like if people suspected from watching a show like
Speaker 2: this that Vince wasn't giving a guy affair shot, or
Speaker 2: Vince had blinders on regarding a certain talents upside because
Speaker 2: this was during the time you gotta remember, I'm talking
Speaker 2: like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, pre aew pre evenknew Japan's resurgence.
Speaker 2: This was the time when people were just like, why
Speaker 2: are these great wrestlers getting absolutely no chance when there's
Speaker 2: only one place to really go in the entire business
Speaker 2: to make a real living, and everybody was there, you know,
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 1: Was kind of what I thought.
Speaker 2: The upshot of it was was like it's almost like
Speaker 2: a way to get to Vince in his mindset because
Speaker 2: of how big a hit him being on the Stone
Speaker 2: Cold podcast was, and what he said about John Moxley,
Speaker 2: what he said about Czarro, what he said about a
Speaker 2: handful of wrestlers. That really stuck with you because it
Speaker 2: was that rare opportunity to really get a pulse check
Speaker 2: from Vince on what he thought about the wrestlers right right.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I just thought that would be
Speaker 2: fascinating now that it's now that it's like t KO
Speaker 2: and stuff and all these guys, all these guys are
Speaker 2: workers and shirts and they're not like they're not.
Speaker 1: The old cabal.
Speaker 2: I used to like that idea, you know, of like
Speaker 2: the Jerry Briscoes and those kind of guys, the Patterson
Speaker 2: sitting around tapping the desk.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it would be I think it would
Speaker 2: be drobendous if you go, you know, and making these
Speaker 2: little political uh suggestions back and forth. But now they
Speaker 2: they they do production meetings and they have these expensive
Speaker 2: conference rooms and that's not really what I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: but right, and yeah, maybe they can capture more than that.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they can capture more because they're kind of
Speaker 2: playing it up like we're gonna take you through how
Speaker 2: Rock Cody all that went down, and there's like there
Speaker 2: were cameras and these key moments where changes in direction
Speaker 2: were being communicated to people backstage. There's like a lot
Speaker 2: more film than we realize. Okay, I mean, whatever, Rock's
Speaker 2: gonna have something to say. These are the kind of
Speaker 2: Rock is such a documentary mark like, oh, of course
Speaker 2: he's gonna like micromanage every frame that he's in on
Speaker 2: a show like this. Gouda protoct the perception. You know,
Speaker 2: it's gonna have a just the gaudiest Versaci shirt you've
Speaker 2: ever seen in every.
Speaker 1: Oh God list. I wouldn't expect anything less. Okay, I
Speaker 1: would not expect anything less.
Speaker 2: Zach Alson makes a good point. He says, you know,
Speaker 2: when tapes were sixty dollars, You're right, no one questioned
Speaker 2: that's what they were worth. But I also didn't know
Speaker 2: of anyone who had very many tapes because it was
Speaker 2: such a premium to actually buy one. If someone bought
Speaker 2: all three tapes in eighty six from Coliseum Video would
Speaker 2: have roughly been the same cost as buying a Nintendo
Speaker 2: Entertainment says.
Speaker 1: It's true. It is very true. I don't know how that,
Speaker 1: you know, I never I never bought, you know, I copied,
Speaker 1: I rented and and I copied.
Speaker 2: And people still made bajillions of dollars off distributing vvhs
Speaker 2: and no one complained about it.
Speaker 1: I was alive. No one complained about tapes being that much.
Speaker 1: No one complained.
Speaker 2: But then course, like everything else, it becomes a race
Speaker 2: to the bottom from a price perspective. What if we
Speaker 2: made it twenty dollars, Oh yeah, well, we'll make it eighteen,
Speaker 2: we'll make it fourteen, we'll make it twelve, and then
Speaker 2: pretty soon it's just like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: We'll make it my mom.
Speaker 2: Right, making my mom exactly, and then we've know how
Speaker 2: that goes. And now everything it's not even worth two
Speaker 2: million movies on Netflix aren't even arguably worth fourteen ninety
Speaker 2: nine a month. It seems, I know, how did we
Speaker 2: get here? How did we so thoroughly devalue an individual
Speaker 2: unit of entertainment? How did we do this to ourselves? Well,
Speaker 2: were we chasing how stupid.
Speaker 1: Because it became about it became because you know, just
Speaker 1: kind of like what they're talking about. It changed. It
Speaker 1: became more about instead of about creating entertainment or art
Speaker 1: or whatever, it became about you know, when Netflix streaming okay,
Speaker 1: and it became about, well, how can we maximize membership? Yep,
Speaker 1: And that's just like what we're talking about with w
Speaker 1: how can we get more people to sign up? And
Speaker 1: then it and it became about more and more and
Speaker 1: more and more and more and more and more, and
Speaker 1: now we're overloaded with stuff. I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 1: it's funny, you know. You know, my my parents always
Speaker 1: just my mom and my grandma would always say you
Speaker 1: you don't have time to watch all the videos that
Speaker 1: you own. It's like, well I did, actually now I don't.
Speaker 1: Now there's no time, right because like there's so much
Speaker 1: shit out there. Because there's sixty prestige shows at a
Speaker 1: time that everyone tells you that you have to watch, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not watching any of them, guys, when I say
Speaker 1: I am not going to watch a single one of them,
Speaker 1: not one, because they're sixty. If there were two, like
Speaker 1: Sopranos Game of Thrones days even yep, yep lost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was there. I was fine participating in the office
Speaker 1: on NBC. Yeah, I was watching every week and I
Speaker 1: was fine with it because there.
Speaker 2: Weren't eighty shows that I had to watch and had
Speaker 2: to you know what I mean, But I had to. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's just not working. It's not working for anybody.
Speaker 1: It's harder. I mean, this is and and I mean
Speaker 1: it's the market's oversaturated. It's have you seen the Happy
Speaker 1: Almore sequel? No, I'm a little bitter about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: well I think that that was why I asked you.
Speaker 1: But well, I know, I know, I know, well I know,
Speaker 1: but I don't even if I told you, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was on hold for like
Speaker 1: two or three parts. I'm not sure you told me
Speaker 1: that before. Yeah, they were gonna exa. I don't usually
Speaker 1: talk about it until well after things are done. Yes,
Speaker 1: but uh, breaking news here, folks. Yes, this is what
Speaker 1: you get by listening deep into the mailbag. Right. So,
Speaker 1: I I auditioned for a role and they put me,
Speaker 1: put me on hold. They were going to use me,
Speaker 1: and they then let me go from that role, but
Speaker 1: then put me on hold for another role, and they
Speaker 1: were like, we're gonna use like we want to use him,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I was on hold. And then
Speaker 1: I found out that MJF was in the movie and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, two movies jflets because
Speaker 1: fucking cool. But then they never called me back. I
Speaker 1: never I never worked. I think I think he might have.
Speaker 2: You know, he might have said no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: fucking hire that that's the guy he used to know
Speaker 2: about wrestling on the last movie. I did, No, he's
Speaker 2: not anywhere, get stop it, stop it. He he doesn't listen.
Speaker 2: I asked him if he watched my TV show. He
Speaker 2: said he he said to me that that he that
Speaker 2: I that I was the guy who he would watch wrestling.
Speaker 2: You know, I could make him watch wrestling again. And
Speaker 2: then he say doesn't watch, So fuck him. He knows
Speaker 2: too much. I don't doubt. I don't doubt that happened.
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that happened for a second. And Becky
Speaker 2: was on the movie.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw that. You think I'm gonna work
Speaker 1: with the lapsed fat guy on the set. But okay,
Speaker 1: so now I can go in.
Speaker 2: Yeahs an explosion of boardroom strategy in the form of
Speaker 2: a two hour movie, just trying to shoehorn every fucking
Speaker 2: person who does over a million views on reels into
Speaker 2: a movie. I've never seen anything like it. These, you know,
Speaker 2: they set up this whole conceit where like everyone's watching
Speaker 2: this big final showdown golf show, so they have all
Speaker 2: these podcasters watching like they're watching it live so they
Speaker 2: can fit them into the movie.
Speaker 1: Am I scrolling Instagram here? Or is this supposed to
Speaker 1: be a feature phone one?
Speaker 3: Am I? You know.
Speaker 2: My phone is my phone and I accept certain formats
Speaker 2: of entertainment on my phone. Why is why is the
Speaker 2: television obsessed with coming off.
Speaker 1: Like my phone? Why is every commercial vertical video? Why?
Speaker 2: Why is every cosmetics ad trying to convince me it's
Speaker 2: actually a snapchat?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm, I'm infuriated. Hor about the thought, the
Speaker 1: the people, the people who liked introduced vertical video. You know,
Speaker 1: that's when it started. That's when that's when we started
Speaker 1: losing the battle. I swear to God.
Speaker 2: Remember people used to get made fun of a vertical video?
Speaker 2: Remember that, Yes, because we still had an idea of
Speaker 2: like what you appropriate You.
Speaker 1: Know that in in when I When I get an audition,
Speaker 1: it has to be specified, like casting directors specified, do
Speaker 1: a fucking horizonal video. Do not do a vertical video
Speaker 1: for your audition.
Speaker 2: Because they're just going to look at it. They're just
Speaker 2: going to look at it on their phone while they're
Speaker 2: having a thirty dollars cappuccino.
Speaker 1: Because the fucking like you got to do a fucking
Speaker 1: you have to do a horizonal video, you cannot do vertical.
Speaker 1: They get fucking pissed. And and I just like it
Speaker 1: was lazy people who were just filming shit, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's like I've never I have never voluntarily like
Speaker 1: when I before, you kind of you know, had to
Speaker 1: now because if you if you, if you shoot horizontal
Speaker 1: for social media, they don't allow it. Basically you have
Speaker 1: to have these giant you know, the giant black bars
Speaker 1: has a fit basically a yes, you have to. It's
Speaker 1: so annoying. But I used to like say, what are
Speaker 1: you doing, Like why are you filming you know, oh,
Speaker 1: someone's getting beaten over there? Why are you filming it
Speaker 1: that way? Film it's you know, horizontal, like a fucking movie.
Speaker 2: That's that gets to the idea. And I was about
Speaker 2: to say this None of these choices that we've made
Speaker 2: in terms of how we shoot entertainment has been done
Speaker 2: with artistic goals in mind. It's all been dictated by
Speaker 2: the technology. The technology should figure out.
Speaker 1: But it's but it's also lazy. It's also laziness. It's
Speaker 1: the fact that people didn't want to you know, people
Speaker 1: were scrolling in their phones and something happens, They're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me get this, and they just fucking put their
Speaker 1: put their their phone up there instead of you know,
Speaker 1: doing what I would have done, which is like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got to do it for the.
Speaker 2: Reason you just said, if they don't shoot it in
Speaker 2: in vertical, then they cannot do it to social But.
Speaker 1: But but before that was a thing. Yeah, before before
Speaker 1: social made it made it the requirement, that's what people
Speaker 1: were doing. Like, people were always sending me videos vertical.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? Like, do you do you?
Speaker 1: Have you ever watched TV like this? Exactly? Well, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. They don't care about the TV screen anymore.
Speaker 1: They Well, I know, but but I'm talking about before that,
Speaker 1: before this, Why did you do this? Why did people
Speaker 1: before it became the fad, before it became the thing
Speaker 1: you had to do. Why did you do this to
Speaker 1: begin with? Why aren't you filming like a fucking adult?
Speaker 1: Why are you filming like an ignorant, fucking piece of shit?
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that wins out right, It wents
Speaker 2: out because all people care about is that we're evolving.
Speaker 1: We're devolving, Okay, that we are. Listen, when you start
Speaker 1: filming shit vertical, you're losing the battle and you're just you're, you're, you're, you're,
Speaker 1: you're dumbing everybody down, oh very much. So you're dumbing
Speaker 1: everybody down. You're doing it, and you're also making them
Speaker 1: lazy because then they don't have to work to fucking
Speaker 1: get it to be a fucking horizontal thing. And it
Speaker 1: gets back to they're not making a movie to create art.
Speaker 2: They're making a movie to create a social sensation that
Speaker 2: they're metrics. They're trying to click back, they're trying to
Speaker 2: click their own video into the hopeless addiction that they
Speaker 2: have to vertical video scrolling. That's that's when we lost
Speaker 2: the battle, folks. You can point to a million societal things,
Speaker 2: you can point to a million political things, you can point.
Speaker 1: To whatever you want.
Speaker 2: We lost the battle when life became about flicking upwards
Speaker 2: on your phone, and it just doesn't ever fucking end.
Speaker 2: It doesn't TikTok never ever ends. And if it has
Speaker 2: the slightest hint, the slightest hint that you may be
Speaker 2: even somewhat interested in content that will drive you to
Speaker 2: an early grave, it will not stop showing it to you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't understand. You know, we did it to ourselves,
Speaker 2: and we shoot our entertainment, working ourselves backwards from these
Speaker 2: arbitrary technology decisions that have nothing to do with faithfully
Speaker 2: and interestingly representing the subject of the video or the picture,
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be. We literally just do
Speaker 2: things because that's the way Samsung and Apple decided everything's
Speaker 2: going to be displayed, two companies full of people that
Speaker 2: would wouldn't know art. If they were trapped in an
Speaker 2: art gallery for thirty years, they wouldn't be able.
Speaker 1: To find it.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying everything has to be art, but
Speaker 2: fucking movies, no TV shows, I mean, come on, folks, photographs.
Speaker 1: Right, there's just there's just I mean, I remember I
Speaker 1: read I read something there was somebody who said, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's time we have movies. You know why
Speaker 1: don't we have a movie films vertically? Exactly what are
Speaker 1: we doing? We can just sell out inventory. We got
Speaker 1: it because it would look because it would look stupid.
Speaker 1: How about that. That's why, because it would look fucking
Speaker 1: stupid and you would be labeled a moron. That's why
Speaker 1: you don't fucking film a movie vertical. We're just old
Speaker 1: fuddy duddies, I know exactly.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, people can't watch a video for more than two
Speaker 2: and a half minutes without having a panic attack as
Speaker 2: they're bored.
Speaker 1: Right, and yet there's a fucking pro wrestler in the
Speaker 1: goddamn White House.
Speaker 2: Paul says, Yeah, our local store treated the tapes like
Speaker 2: the gold they were.
Speaker 1: That's right. You take care of those tapes or you
Speaker 1: pay a stiff penalty. Physical media hard stop. Physical media
Speaker 1: things are better. Ephemeral digital media things are worse. I
Speaker 1: I well, yes, i'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I liked both. Yes, I liked. I liked the days
Speaker 1: when you could buy I'd go buy a Blu Ray.
Speaker 1: I liked the idea that I was forced to go
Speaker 1: buy a blue ray. Ask me too, and I would
Speaker 1: get the digital copy with it. Sure, see that that
Speaker 1: was something that I liked doing. Now I don't buy
Speaker 1: any anything, any Blu rays because I'm not going to
Speaker 1: watch a Blue ray. And this is another I'm going
Speaker 1: to watch a digital thing, you know, like yes, they're
Speaker 1: they're you know, because everything you know, I watching it
Speaker 1: on you know, Apple TV. And once I got an
Speaker 1: Apple TV, it was game over, you know, goodbye, good
Speaker 1: bye discs. I'm sorry, I loved you. I still have
Speaker 1: some forgot to have my office. I still keep a collection,
Speaker 1: you know, like their fucking antiques.
Speaker 2: And the amount of people who stopped getting paid when
Speaker 2: you stop buy those DVDs is infinite.
Speaker 1: It's it's listen, it's it's way. It's it's true. It's true.
Speaker 1: And the only reason the only reason why I allowed
Speaker 1: myself to kind of shift completely over into buying is
Speaker 1: because I was able to yes, correct, It wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a choice, it was a well shit, I don't need
Speaker 1: to do that anymore. Yeah, yeah you do.
Speaker 2: You definitely don't make that shift with any evil intentions.
Speaker 2: And look, the things people always get twisted about these
Speaker 2: kind of commentaries is that we somehow are suggesting that
Speaker 2: somebody is at fault for making a poor choice along
Speaker 2: the way. No, what we decry is that we had
Speaker 2: no choice.