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feels like. Boss on on Ona con con con conk.

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Speaker 2: Come king our first show after the death of Hull Coogan,

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man in our last before we take the stage August third,

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Comedy Village, Times Square, High Noon, in between nights one

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and two of Summer Slam. Yes, and it's as if

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you know, the gods delivered upon us a perverse, a

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perversely perfect set of circumstances going into the show because

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we had a feedback show, we wanted to clear the

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mailbag out. But man, is it going to have a

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whole lot more punch after the death of.

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Speaker 1: Hull Cogan, a whole different can of worms now, Jesus, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, folks who are in the moat tier on Patreon

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would have heard us sharing the call with each other

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as JP got to me first on the death of

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Hull Cogan.

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Speaker 1: It's a rarity these days, absolutely shocked.

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Speaker 2: We've course shared with you audio of our appearance on

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the Josh Nason Wrestling Observer show punch Out, where we

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talked the day of the news about hul Cogan and

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what his passing means to wrestling fans of our vintage.

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In particular the type of wrestling fans that would you know,

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cast their lot with TLF. So we've said a lot,

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but it feels like we're just kind of getting started.

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Speaker 1: Where are you at? You know, it's it's a it's

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it's hard. It's very hard, you know. I I've definitely

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had some difficulty separating the man from the character. Yep.

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on social media everywhere in regards to you know, this

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guy's a piece of shit. You know, he's not really

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worth your time and he's not worth remembering. And it's like, Okay,

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little too narrow. I don't have to celebrate the man,

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but I will celebrate the character and how I felt

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about him, yeah, during my youth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's an all kind of mature on

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Speaker 1: It's hard. I mean there there there are some times

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where it feels like it's just it's very black and

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white in regards to whether or not you should celebrate someone. Obviously,

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we know he's he tainted his legacy without a doubt

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last like fifteen years, he's really just tainted his legacy

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with just stupid, stupid stuff and and and and really

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just showing who he kind of really is as he

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got older. But but I also can't deny the fact

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that the character had an impact on me when I

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it's like had an impact, had an impact.

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I mean that that's that's it. That's it. And so

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to eulogize the right word.

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Speaker 2: You know, I feel especially comfortable because no one's done

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more than we have to lay this man's flaws barrel

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exactly exactly everything you know about the particulars, not just

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the broad strokes, but the particulars, about all that stuff

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with with the the tape recorded racist comments and the

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sex tape and all that stuff. All that is you

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know what happened with Nick and the jailhouse phone tape said,

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that's you know, the deep texture of it, because you

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listen to this podcast TNH in particular, So you can't

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say we haven't done our penance on on that part

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of the the legacy. For lack of a better word,

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you know, my god, I just watched the smack down.

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Chris ben Waugh. Now, of course, I know that's not fair,

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not for all the racism stuff, for sure. And he

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so vociferously coming back years after that whole scandal. That's

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it's not just that it happened and he said these things.

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is worse than sexual assault. I'm sorry to report that

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the Hall of Fame. So apparently racism is even worse

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lot of important things on the table, but for us

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in particular, obviously, it's I think it's going to be

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you know, laps fan when Hogan was alive, and lapsed

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believe it. You know, I thought for sure he'd sold

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to last a long time. But I guess only one

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kinds of ignominious stuff that he seemed to be surviving

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despite all odds. I mean, the guy I've said it

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a hundred times. You know, hul Cogan should have been

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the one right off in the sunset, and he had

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the messiest fucking post wrestling life one could possibly imagine

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in terms of all he built up from the wealth

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of capturing our imaginations all those years that.

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of them really can good luck, you know, like stone

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he still needs wrestling. Yeah, I know he's not sure.

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in anything on screen with the W tow from an

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success they've had in Hollywood. They should have been done

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ten years ago. Yes, they should not. Still Rock should

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have been done. Rocks should have been done in in

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in ninety four, in two thousand and four. Yes, when

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they didn't renew was contract, you should have been done.

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WW gives them, but they do. And so here we

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what are we going to do as a podcast? You know,

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we've set this standard around tribute shows and uh, you know,

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appropriately appropriately tipping our cap to people that have been influential.

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Speaker 1: And we have done so much already in the archives.

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the that is part of the problem, you know for

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Speaker 2: So here's what we can tell you since the day

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we started The Lapsed Fan a little over ten years ago,

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covering SummerSlam nineteen ninety one. Interestingly, that's right, that's right, Hulkamania,

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with all its brilliance and warts, has washed over this podcast.

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image all over again. Yeah, giving us the red and

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yellow back before we realized we wanted it again.

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came of age, children of the tail end of Hulkamania

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and the Hasbro era, piecing together the decade of Hogan

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that we missed as toddlers, piecing together how this shiny

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jacked charisma machine came to be by begging our parents

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to go to the video store and rent yet another

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of Hogan juxtaposed with the foe of the day. I

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look like around these parts, a podcast like this, a

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wrestling industry like this, a society like this. Whenever that

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it all. For what was the initial spark behind even

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doing the Lapsed fan if not to have a reason

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to go back and watch Hull Cogan matches right, I

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mean seriously, and to compare our notes with each other

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on set matches. And it turned out compare our notes

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not only with each other, but with thousands of lapsed

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fans across the world on what Hogan was, how he'd

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a trick. Yes, but then we thought, wait a minute,

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this is the lapsed fan we unapologetically stew in the

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juices of the past. It's true, that's where the subtled

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truth is after all, And for hull Cogan, now there

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will be no more violent twists and turns on what

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what hul Conkin's legacy will even be. I know, no

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more beer launches or wired taps, or political rallies or

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abrupt religiosity or shunned grandchildren or tearful ex wives that

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we know of or who knows you know? Or how

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about banished best friends to account for you. No more

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extra logs on the bonfire of apologies that you have

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to make and personal belief provis those you have to

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audience that was in front of him, whether it was

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of probably like ten people who totally took over his

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three yep. To spend time trying to parse out who

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of celebrity threw him curveball after curveball, and we at

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then we're in the privileged position to say that will

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continue with an even greater focus and commitment to pinning

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down why this guy was central to so much. As

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much as we've covered in tremendous detail about Hulkogan, from

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his first WWF title win to his Awa and Japan

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exploits with Bockwinkle and Mudha, to the first Saturday Nights

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Made Event and his role and becoming his whole role

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in Saturday Nights Made Event and becoming a thing, to

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his pivotal role in the George of Horrin and Vince

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of the Beach just last Time, his WWW and his

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showdown with Vince Russeau. And how about f U N B.

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this incredible film career I'm going to get there, okay,

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and a Gawker trial, every single one of his movies

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under the cinemat, a series that in fact started with

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literally getting on a plane, literally getting on a plane

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to Detroit, yep, so that we could walk the rubble

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of the Pontiac Silver Dome in search of clarity as

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to why hul Cogan was such an avatar for all

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we had and all we lost of all that upon

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Speaker 1: What about that one? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And you know, it would have been unthinkable standing here

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on the death of Hulkgan when we first started TLF

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that we would have anything left to do about Hulkogen. Yeah,

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it just seemed like that's all we were here to

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do was just watch Hulkogan right again in a lot

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of ways, but the cast evolved and people asked different

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So in fact, a lot of well to Zeric Bischoff's

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analogy apples have been yet to be clicked from the tree.

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Ogan's contributions were so vast that even after doing this

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for a decade, we still have tapes to pull off

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the video store shelf, don't we, Boss.

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Speaker 1: I mean more than you'd think. You know, you'd think

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that we would have we would have covered more, but

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Speaker 2: We still have nooks and crannies, nicks and crannies to

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collar in before we can lay the Hulkster to rest

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around these parts presenting. Going forward, we're going to be

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calling the Complete Hulk Hogan, our wholehearted attempt to systematically

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cover everything about Hulk Hogan that we never got to

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when he was here on this earth with us, from

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his earliest days wrestling in Florida, Alabama, Memphis, and Georgia

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to his first tours of Japan and winning the inaugural

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i WGP title against Antonio and ok to all of

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those Saturday Night's main events, and has anyone who listened

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to our Tnh's Journey or our Bash of the Beach

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ninety four episode can attest we've occasionally been overtaken by

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a feeling that we're getting a last chance to say

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goodbye to Hulk Hogan. These things came out of nowhere,

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but seemed to uncandidly be followed by real life twists

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and turns. I mean, Boss, we did Bash at the

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Beach ninety four. The fake Hogan dies. The guy who

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dresses up like him dies, I know, I mean that

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guy who's followed him around for for forever. You know,

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he was at WrestleMania seven. He's at Bash.

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Speaker 1: The beach. This guy goes followed Hulk Hogan everywhere. I

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even know his name.

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Speaker 2: That's it, Yeah, his face and that Hulk himself. The

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day our deep dive of Bash at the Beach ninety

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four dropped, completing our coverage of really the last real

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monumental thing in a lot of ways that he did

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that we haven't covered yet.

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Speaker 1: Hit the feed.

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Speaker 2: He died that day, and we were inspired to do

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it because because of the chatter that he might be

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in more ill health than his immediate circle would let

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on publicly. We thought, let's do this, but I did

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not expect it to happen and click in So dare

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I say poetically, but there we stood, mouths agape, jaws

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and what it means going forward, We've occasionally been, like

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I said, overtaken by a feeling that we're getting a

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last chance to say goodbye to this guy. And this

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starts all the way back when Oh my God, JP

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to me. It's part of the same thing when we

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both devised a caricature of Hulk in our heads. Is

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someone obsessed with visual pinfalls, Yes, And what happened once

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we created that whole idea in our mind that this

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is Hulk Hogan's sort of personality, that he just by

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all means is trying to prevent anyone from ever seeing

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him with his shoulders down on the floor, even in public,

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even in any and that he has to grab pinfalls

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on anybody who could be a threat to his torch.

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Speaker 1: What happened.

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Speaker 2: We sat down to watch raw YEP, and they beat

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the shit out of the Rock building up WrestleMania eighteen.

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The nWo did, and he still had to get the

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visual pinfall. He gets it, He gets it, He pins

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the rock and Scott Hall counts the three. We watched

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in hyper real amazement as hul Cocain insisted uncovering Rock

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for a visual three count with no ref wasn't a match.

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Speaker 1: It was an angle. Yeah, but it's it's kind of

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like that what happened last week? You know, kind of interesting.

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Speaker 4: Brother.

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Speaker 1: What if I kind of like lay down on you, dude,

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and you, you know, we gotta do the three count?

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Speaker 3: Brother.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you obviously it's not a match, brother,

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but what if he kind of like, what if he

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had something it's a heat, dude, Heat brother. So we're

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talking about heat and heat to you know, WrestleMania, brother,

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because I know, I know for sure, No DJ, I

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know for sure. Man, they are gonna boo the hell

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out of me in Toronto. Yeah, they never liked me

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in Toronto. Dude.

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Speaker 2: He gets all that, he gets heaped with all that

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praise for doing the honors for Dwayne and Toronto. Yet

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he comes He's WW champion in a month running the

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whole fucking show and he got a one two three

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on Rock on television before the thing even happened. Yeah, yep,

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for what that's worth. But to see that happen as

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if we wished it into existence, and then to see

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halt pass when we get the sudden kind of cosmic

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signal that we really ought to do this show. Now

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it's July Bash of the Beach July. It just it

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just made a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And here we are, I think, equally amazed as we

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were back when we watched that Monday Night Raw and

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he pinned the rock for no reason.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure, no question. I got to say.

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Speaker 2: It feels like we've said goodbye to Hull, Cogan and

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all he meant to our generation time and time again

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on the lapsed fan. But we can take as long

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to say goodbye as we damn well please. This will

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be about filling the gaps, because amazingly there are many.

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Or to settle the score. Yep, we're all to settle

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it all.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: The big event yep, wrestle Fest. How about the very

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first Survivor series at ninet eighty six, right, how about

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the nineteen eighty eight Summer Slammer the Megapowers take on

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the Megabusks. How about the nineteen eighty nine Royal Rumble

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where the fateful Ready Savagehull Coke and Wrestleminia five man

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event was set up. How about we look at all

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the Saturday night's main events. How about we go to

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WCW and do all the stuff from ninety six before

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he turned heel super Brawl. What about Halloween Havoc that

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year where he had turned heel and had the wig

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on his head?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How about super Brawl the next year? How about Bashes

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at the Beach with Dennis Rodman, which he of course

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was absolutely instrumental and making happen in ninety seven and

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ninety eight. What about when he tried to go back

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to the red and yellow in ninety nine at Fall

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Brawl against Sting.

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Speaker 1: Well, exactly what about that? What about made if any Sting?

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What about Fall Brawl? What was it?

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Speaker 2: The type AI strap deathmatch in March two thousand against Flair?

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Speaker 3: What was it?

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Speaker 4: The what it was?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah? Put the poo poo? Yeah, one of those

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Kevin Sullivan words.

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Speaker 2: What are those Kevin Sullivan Encyclopedia Britannica given, yeah, right,

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the final pay per view match he had with Flair?

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What about the XWF experiment and yes and yes?

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Speaker 1: What about the two thousand and two return, what about

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Backlash and Judgment Day and King of the Ring? What

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about what about No Way Out nWo? All over that show?

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I mean, looks listen that memory. They even did it.

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No Way Out nWo right there, No Way Out. It's

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like the show was made for them back in nineteenninety eight,

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Backlash O five or Summer Slam O six against Randy Orton.

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So many moments in between. For the shows I just listed,

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and perhaps more, you can expect traditional lapsed fan shows

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about each and every one of these events. So it's

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not just going to be as we've done with the

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other tributes, just Hogan's match, We're just gonna do the

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events that ought to have been done about hul Cogan

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as we would.

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Speaker 2: Have before he passed. We're just going to use that

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as our orienting principle for as long as it takes

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in show selection going forward. As part of the complete

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Hulk Hogan. Now, of course, we will do the episodes

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that aren't just built him around an event, but built

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around time periods. We're going to go systematically a year

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through year, and this will be a chance to do

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things that people have asked us to do for years.

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When we come up to a wrestlingmania that we've already

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covered as part of the thirty Week Journey, and so

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much more has come out subsequent to those recordings as

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to the context and potential research around those events, this

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will be our chance. Hulk Hogan will once again be

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the reason that we check so many boxes that the

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lapsed fan is thirsty four. It's be a chance to

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do all that. There's be a chance to get into

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so much more than we had at our disposal when

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we did Star K ninety seven, for instance, against staying

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and all that's been said since discovered and uncovered sense

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about the nature of that debacle all the way along

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the way, we hope to fill in gaps and if

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nothing else, we will be happy when our time on

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the earth is over that the lapsed fan catalog will

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have been the absolute quintessential guide to Hulk Hoges's career. Yes,

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but the shows I just listed and perhaps more again,

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those traditional treatments coming your way, but we know because

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Hogan is so central to them. Even if we do

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these shows in the traditional way we do pay per

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view events, they'll be about paying tribute to Hulk as well.

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Maybe not as gratuitously, but every time we do one

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of these events that are built around houlk Cogan in

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the main event, and there are so many across WWFNWCW,

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you'll get the sense that this is, even if not

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directly a tribute to Hulk Hogan in a way. We'll

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be systematic about this, making sure the full Hogan era

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is a purportly emblazoned in the catalog. And folks, we

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need your help because we can only see so far

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out in the distance. You know what's coming. You felt

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the power of Hulcay and you just like the rest

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of us. Tell us what you remember about the most

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significant moments along the way by emailing us God yes,

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please at the lapsed maan at gmail dot com. After all,

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it may be quite a while before we do another

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feedback episode, So get that feedback in. Tell us where

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along the way from the birth of Terry Boleya to

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the death of Terry Boleya, we absolutely must pause to

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reflect on significant things he did said appearances he may

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doesn't have to be matches, doesn't have to be big

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pay per view events, doesn't even needn't necessarily have to

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be television. Whatever it is that impacted you about Hulkgan

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and all of his time in the business, let us

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know about it so that as we go systematically year

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through year, we can make note of it and again

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reach our potential as the place that Hulkgin's the biggest

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wrestling legacy we can imagine, is fully ensconced. So let's

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send us not only printed, you know, typed emails, but

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also audio testimony. Remember that from the good old days

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we see these kind of audio clips during the WrestleMania

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journey of people just recollecting verbally what it all meant.

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Make sure we don't miss anything, any little nugget that

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you feel like you uniquely may remember about Hulk Hogan,

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anything he said done, send it to us, tell us

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what it's connected to, and we'll try to make the

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complete Hulk Cogan as much about your memories as it

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is about ours. Absolutely, we may lose other giants along

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the way while doing this. We are fully cognizant of that.

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We may lose Rick Flair in the middle of this.

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Maybe we may lose Vince McMahon in the middle of this.

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Maybe paying tribute to them in the main feed, we'll

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just have to take a back seat to the Holster.

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The truth is, for us, we wouldn't care nearly as

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much about a Vince McMahon or Rick Flair, or Kevin

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Nash or Alex Luger or Bob Bckland, or a Sergent Slaughter,

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or a Jake Roberts or a Brett Hart. How even

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Vince Russeau, Eric Bischoff, Brutus Beefcake, Jimmy Hart, any of

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the other subjects we may be called upon to pay

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tribute to during the course of the complete hul Hogan.

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Any of these people we may be called on to

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reflect on during this duration. If it wasn't for Hulk Cogan,

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we probably wouldn't be called upon to tribute for them.

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The complete Hulk Hogan will be in recognition of that fact,

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they'll have to wait because Hulk goes on last brother,

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and damn dude, it's got creative control, and Hulp must pose.

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We'll do all the shows, all of them. Everything we've

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00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,839
done to date has stealed us for this, all of

474
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,160
us in the Tlef Solar System to rise to this

475
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:21,720
challenge uniquely, and when it's over for us, it'll feel

476
00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:24,799
something like the completion of a life's work in every

477
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,759
sense of the word.

478
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: Can I get a hoof Heller my brother, brother brother?

479
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:42,200
And it's oh shit? And that wasn't exciting And it's part.

480
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,759
Speaker 2: Of this uh you know, wall to wall coverage. It's

481
00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:47,839
like a state funeral. You know that's going to last

482
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,279
a year and a half. I don't even know how

483
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,000
long it's going to be.

484
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: I listen if it if it last, I mean, look,

485
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:58,079
I I I know a number of these things are

486
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,519
gonna last. I mean this this is the even obviously,

487
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,519
including like you know, the show list that we've come

488
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,000
up with is is just kind of it's just the shows,

489
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:12,440
and it's not like the episodes in between right where

490
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,960
we're going to be doing things, you know, like you know,

491
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,240
because if you look at it, there's there's not We

492
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,319
have no shows in nineteen ninety one ninety three. It

493
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:26,319
doesn't mean that there's stuff that didn't happen. Yes, that

494
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,960
we haven't talked about exactly, you know. So it's like

495
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,599
these are these are all there, this is this is

496
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,119
going to be a very a very very ambitious, lengthy

497
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:44,319
girthy thick. I don't tribute. I suppose.

498
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,759
Speaker 2: Sure it's an exercise and unfinished Yes, you're fuck my life.

499
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,880
It's an exercise and unfinished business. And I think our

500
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,359
hope is that when it's done, you'll be able to

501
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,640
look at the TLF catalog and say, well, you know,

502
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,519
they did Survivors Series eighty seven. It was part of

503
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,759
the whole contribute, but it stands as the Survivors Series

504
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,480
nineteen eighty seven episode they would have done even if

505
00:26:05,519 --> 00:26:07,920
it wasn't for Hull Co con Tribute vibes.

506
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,319
Speaker 1: So that's the idea.

507
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,599
Speaker 2: There's so many shows that people have wanted us to do,

508
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,119
so many shows that people cross their fingers and hope

509
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,319
we'll get to one day. And they almost all involve

510
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,200
hul Cogan, they really do, so let's fucking do them, yep,

511
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:22,279
you know. And that's another reason to do the call

512
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:23,839
out for audio. It's like, you know, the hopper and

513
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:25,720
stuff people might have to look if this is one

514
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:27,839
of your shows, just send us that fucking audio, you know,

515
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,720
because this is going to be this is going to

516
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:31,240
be the mission here. This is going to be the

517
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,799
orienting principle, Like let's really let's really make sure that

518
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240
there's nothing of significance that hull Cogan really did that

519
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,920
doesn't live and breathe in the TLF archives because it

520
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,039
makes all the sense in the world. And I can't

521
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:44,279
wait to see the twists and turns ahead because already

522
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,920
having to scratched the surface with our cabal of folks,

523
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,319
this is there's some stuff in here, man, that we

524
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,200
didn't even know we wanted to know about hul Cogan.

525
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,000
We didn't even know we could know about hull Cogan.

526
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,680
That's to come. I mean, what we know about Stirling Golden, you.

527
00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,039
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

528
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: We know it's a punchline, right, I know very little

529
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:06,519
Eich side of Jimmy Barnett calling him that, well, after

530
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:09,599
he fucking retired the gimmick you watch like Hogan and

531
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,440
Andre mix it up in Alabama before they ever went

532
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,839
to New York. Please, yes, how did he become Hulk Hogan?

533
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,200
We can nail it down, yes, And we have already

534
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,359
so much done that it's that much more attackable. You know,

535
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,599
if we if he died on year one of the show,

536
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,839
oh my god, we'd be like, what do.

537
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: We fucking do? I mean? You have right?

538
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,519
Speaker 2: I mean the whole just called the lapsed hul Cogan. Right, Well,

539
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,359
that's what it would have been. And frankly, we probably

540
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,279
just wouldn't have done it. We probably, no, we can't

541
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:38,279
just you know what I mean, we would have just

542
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,799
bounced around more and just done an episode in recognition,

543
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,599
like we did with so many that passed along the way.

544
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,680
But I think because we've done so much already, we

545
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,839
know that there aren't these massive mountains still to climb.

546
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,880
It's it's kind of like those. What we have to

547
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,079
do is document the valleys. The peaks are already in

548
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,000
the catalog, right, all the research is done and it's

549
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,759
all there. From the trial to TNH to bash it,

550
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:03,720
the each to his WWF jump from Awa to the

551
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,079
Super Sunday A w A stuff. It's already in there,

552
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,839
all the WrestleMania's, the Sid come Back all that stuff

553
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,680
or the Sid Retirement, all the movies are in the

554
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,920
Under the Cinemat archive on Patreon yep. So it's like,

555
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,799
you know what, I think this works. I think this

556
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,960
probably is the appropriate time to go whole hog on

557
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,000
Hogan one last time because we've done so many of

558
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,799
the huge monumental things that it actually feels attackable instead

559
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:33,119
of something that we should shy away from. You know

560
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,720
what you want from us, and we're going to give

561
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:36,400
it to you, but we're going to give it to

562
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,559
you exactly how we want to give it to you. Yes,

563
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160
as we always have, and in that fashion, as we've

564
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,559
you know, turned over in our minds, the different ways

565
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,960
that we can rise to This particular occasion coming up

566
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,000
is mentioned already August third of the Comedy Village and

567
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,440
Times Square TLF takes the stage one more time as

568
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,079
the lapsed Fan invades Times Square and thanks to so

569
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,960
many members of the Solar System who we know are

570
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,839
going to be joining us in NYC, we thought to

571
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,559
ourselves this must be in recognition of what we've learned.

572
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:07,200
We can't just go forward with the show that we

573
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:12,640
planned before at Absolute Crown Jewel and the Lapsed Crown

574
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:16,759
falls out. So announcing here and we want you to

575
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:18,359
bring your best if you come and join us at

576
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,960
the Comedy Village, a vigil for Halcochen will be part

577
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:29,400
of our live noontime Sunday, August third Comedy Village Extravaganza.

578
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,640
Come with your memories and be prepared because I know

579
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,799
a lot of members of the Lapsed Fan Solar System,

580
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,039
in particular the Rogues Gallery Oh Yes, are going to

581
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,960
come with their deepest and most sentimental reflections as well

582
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,640
for losing the Hulkster and what it means to have

583
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,839
lost the Haltster. So a very special time expected. Tickets

584
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,240
still available Comedy Village dot com. We'd love to see

585
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,079
you there, and we're going to do it right, and

586
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,279
we're going to send the Halster off at least from

587
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:00,599
a live show the.

588
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:01,359
Speaker 1: Way it ought to be done.

589
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: I think we can, yes, and already you know, of

590
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,279
all the Hogan shows we've already done. We'd also encourage

591
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:10,400
you to reach out and say, hey, you missed this.

592
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,839
You missed that because we weren't always so as anybody knows,

593
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,960
it's listened to us from the beginning research heavy. So

594
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:18,039
there's a lot of things that we probably could have

595
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:19,759
said about Hull Cogin and things that have come out

596
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:23,079
about hul COVID around some of these events that we

597
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,400
didn't say or we didn't commit.

598
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,559
Speaker 1: To the record. Yeah, and we're gonna you know, and

599
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,000
it's a convenient thing too, that we're gonna kind of

600
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:36,720
be touching upon every single year, you know, every single

601
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:38,400
year that we've done, and so it is a good

602
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,039
time to kind of fill in any holes in that

603
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,799
regard that that we might have might have missed or

604
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:43,799
anything like that.

605
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,559
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, I'll be uh, I'll be perfectly happy

606
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,680
if the first ten years of TLF is understanding all

607
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,920
of the intrigue around Hull Cogan in the second half

608
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,759
is just getting all that whole coke and stuff rewatched

609
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,640
and just figuring out what it all meant. I mean,

610
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,640
why not that that that's that's the only thing that

611
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,759
feels appropriate right now. But I guess we will see

612
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:08,400
you August third, next summer with you from Times Square.

613
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,839
Of course, we'll also have our Summer Slam in twenty

614
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,880
twenty five, two night live call up for patrons. I

615
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,480
know you're looking forward to that, Boss, We're.

616
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Going to be doing. Oh yes, wonderful doing a.

617
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:20,359
Speaker 2: Rarely seen both co chairs in the same room live call.

618
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,079
It's been some time, that is true. I don't recall

619
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,400
the last time we've done a live call in person.

620
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: Ever. When have we done one?

621
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,279
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the very first one was WrestleMania thirty

622
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:32,960
four at.

623
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,039
Speaker 1: Twas Oh that's true, all right, that counts, I suppose,

624
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:38,200
but not really.

625
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: We did the one you know when you were living

626
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,480
in Jersey before we went out. That wasn't for WrestleMania,

627
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,599
but that was like NXT or whatever, the weekend of

628
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:46,720
the Hall of Fame stuff. We were in the same

629
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,400
room watching some of that. But no, I mean, with

630
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,960
the exception of the ones where we're live in the

631
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,839
arena trying to do live calls with screat fans everywhere.

632
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:57,519
Speaker 1: Right, this is a return to form and kind of

633
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:00,599
be very fascinating. This will be like be like watching

634
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,680
WrestleMania twenty two in the dorm room exactly, So you

635
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,000
want eighteen in the dorm room right on that on

636
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,480
that stream such as back then, Oh my god, it's

637
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:15,839
like the image changed every six seconds, so ridiculous. But

638
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,720
we still knew Hogan the Rock was a classic. We

639
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:21,079
still were going nuts. Did we did? Yes? We did?

640
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,359
Uh we that's insane. The best we could do. We

641
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,759
didn't have the ability to order cable pay per view

642
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,880
in the dorms back then, and we didn't. Why did

643
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,279
we go? Do we not know about the Hoots? I

644
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:34,519
guess we did not know about the Hoots yet? Nope, okay,

645
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,240
just a crying shame. But it was that run crazy

646
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:39,920
that we're finally going to get be able to get

647
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,000
into as part of the complete Hulkgan that two thousand

648
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,880
and two run that really solidified our our habitual wrestling

649
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,680
watching together there in so many ways. So we have

650
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,960
the whole stort of thing for that as well. But yeah,

651
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,440
so you want to make sure a Patreon dot com

652
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,440
Slash the Lapse fan is locked and loaded that you're

653
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,559
correct on that front, because live calls are coming, a

654
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,079
lot of content is coming, of course, under the cinemat's

655
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,440
back rocking. We just you know, if we're going to

656
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,319
do Bash at the Beach ninety four and Gene and

657
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,680
heenan are going to mention having done a movie called

658
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,440
Time Master that we have never even heard of. You

659
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,000
better believe that shit got fast tracked, because that's why

660
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,279
Under the Cinemat exists. You're damn fucking right. That's what

661
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,759
we do. That's how we fucking roll and listen. I'll

662
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:20,720
tell you what was?

663
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: What was? What?

664
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,279
Speaker 1: What did you learn? What was the most important thing

665
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,079
you learned during Time Master?

666
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,839
Speaker 2: I think more than anything, it's at the Dutch angle

667
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,200
keeps the film interesting to watch.

668
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: This is an example of a Dutch angle. Because of

669
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:37,400
the canted angle of the camera, it remains interesting to watch.

670
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:41,359
It remains interesting. I mean, you have no idea. If

671
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,119
that annoyed you, that means that means it was interesting

672
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,240
to begin with, of course, and it has remained interesting

673
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,559
thanks to the cleverness and the industriousness. Like the director

674
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:54,039
who you just heard from patting himself on the back.

675
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,240
If that annoyed you, you have no idea how much

676
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,440
more it could annoy you If you listen to this

677
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,519
entire episode of Under the Cinemat, probably the second worst

678
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,880
movie we've ever watched. I love it. I love it.

679
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: The director's kids are in there. They do not belong

680
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,840
on a big screen at all. They are not actors.

681
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: No, nope, nope. It's it is a it is it is.

682
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:20,519
It is a masturbatory opus. Yes correct, you know, uh,

683
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,400
that's what it was. And it's just it's a it's

684
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,679
a it's a travesty, you know, because what what what travesty?

685
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,000
That's a travesty. What it really came down to is this,

686
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,559
This is why it bothered me. Okay, it came down

687
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,719
to the fact that the you know, you look at

688
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,440
you look at almighty thor Okay, yes, that is obviously

689
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,800
an awful movie with awful visual effects, with awful performances,

690
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,360
with awful everything, but not a lot of money was spent.

691
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,159
And you can tell that a lot of money was

692
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,960
spent on this movie, not necessarily hundreds of millions of dollars,

693
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:02,239
but way more than was spend an Almighty four, no question.

694
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,719
And that, to me is what's so awful about it,

695
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,760
is that you spend that much money and you come

696
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,880
up with that piece of shit. But hey, you know,

697
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,440
that's what I'm the cinema's for.

698
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: And Heenan and Jean's role is just fantastically fleeting. I

699
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,480
mean it's just yes, for no reason they're in the movie.

700
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:26,239
It's tremendous to see it. Really, I mean, there is

701
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,039
no reason for them to be in the movie at all.

702
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:29,599
The fact that they never mentioned it in all the

703
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:30,800
shoot interviews they did.

704
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,559
Speaker 1: Later in life.

705
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: I bet I could find anyway, I know tells you

706
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,480
all you need to know. You would think their one

707
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,360
film credit would be something that they tout. You know, yeah,

708
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,880
I don't even mention it. Nope, it's horrible and it's

709
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,360
available under the cinema. You're damn right as is since

710
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,079
the last time we were with you on a mailbag show.

711
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,360
Fucking epics like Jaws and Spotlight. I mean, folks, yes,

712
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,840
I mean, I don't know what to tell you besides like,

713
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,679
get on the fucking boat. Because cinemat is putting things

714
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,840
down history right now. We're finding wrestling connections and these

715
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,599
all time classics once upon a time in the West, yep.

716
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:08,920
These are what we call proofs of concept.

717
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: And and and also I'll tell you you know, one

718
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,199
of one of my favorite things, specifically over the last

719
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,719
year has been finding people that we don't know anything

720
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,159
about that have a wrestling connection, that are wrestlers that

721
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,679
are involved in the business that they're just they're involved

722
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,400
in a way that you know, it's, for lack of

723
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,639
a better term, they're just not it's it's too small,

724
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:38,360
Like their contribution is important, but it's also not something

725
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,559
that's going to be written about right on websites and

726
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:44,239
newspapers and and to be able to find them and

727
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,000
talk with them and and uh, you know, from Tony

728
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:53,440
Van Silva last year to to Glenn Glenn Cain huge,

729
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,400
you know, like it's it's it's to me that it

730
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:03,679
offers a whole different perspective and opens different uh possibilities

731
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,760
indoors and and and and knowledge about the wrestling business

732
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,079
and in ways you know that at least for me,

733
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,400
I would never I would never have thought we would

734
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,960
have ever gone into on this show. Yes, you know,

735
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,079
ye like I would have never thought we would have

736
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:22,960
We would be we would be talking about the you know,

737
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,199
the the various British styles of professional wrestlers, useraate and

738
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:27,960
and stuff. Yeah.

739
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been such a unique way to get at

740
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,280
historical figures in the business that never would make sense

741
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,719
for the way we do the main show. But you know,

742
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,760
they make one movie appearance and we're on our way,

743
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:39,480
and that is the case for a lot of turn

744
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,159
of the century wrestlers, international wrestlers. To your point, you

745
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,519
just think about, like during Carni's or Forever, getting acquainted

746
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,639
with uh, you know, the wrestlers in those movies.

747
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you're you're to Tanaka brother yep, I mean,

748
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,880
and so many that we Peter by No, it's right,

749
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:58,880
that's right, I mean, and and then again, and so

750
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,480
many that we didn't even we didn't even know, no clue,

751
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:04,679
you know that we didn't even we didn't even uh

752
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,639
hadn't even remember the wrestling bear from Octopussy, Like, what

753
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,840
the fuck, what's happening here? Okay, wrestling Bear just crazy.

754
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,519
It's it's it's it's so much fun. It's it's it's

755
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:21,119
so much fun.

756
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's great to see it really hit

757
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,239
astride And that's available for your Patreon dollar exclusively for

758
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,760
the the executive producer tier and above. Of course, we're

759
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,360
rocking and rolling on the pro wrestling teas and chopped

760
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,239
teas for us as we continue rolling out merch and

761
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,639
it's it was actually kind of heartening to see upon

762
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:41,679
the passing of the Hulkster focusing. You know what, I

763
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,639
need that brother shirt, Hey, I love it to Steve

764
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,960
and Chris who we saw grab at. The Lapsed Wrestling

765
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,840
Association shirt and the a w A format, of course,

766
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,519
are a lot of the reason we went on the

767
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,400
Life and Death of a w A Journey Boss was

768
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,079
because we just couldn't. We needed to satisfy our curiosity

769
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:58,480
about Hogan before coming of.

770
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: Course, I mean right, and seeing that that that legendary

771
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:06,519
matchup between he and Bockwinkle, you know, like that's just

772
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,559
it was crazy. There's so much more to available to

773
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:14,519
us now than there was ten years ago. By the way,

774
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,039
speaking of Hogan too, by the way, you know, I

775
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,760
forgot that this shirt even up, you said, Progrestling Teas

776
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,920
dot Com slash slabs fan. I'm digging that creative that's

777
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,440
up now, that is available, uh, you know for your purchase.

778
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: Brother, Brother, Brother, and I agree, needless to say, wow,

779
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,360
so very very much there for you. When it comes

780
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,480
to SHWAG, when it comes to items that pay unique tribute,

781
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,000
think of the section eleven sub paragraphe You know, yes,

782
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,880
these are things that say at all about Hulk that

783
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,119
no one even was saying brother question mark stop the boots,

784
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,599
So stop the boots sign at atn n XT one time.

785
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:57,280
I mean, folks, Oh, you're welcome, okay, Hulk, you're welcome.

786
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,880
Solar system, You're welcome.

787
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,039
Speaker 1: Hide the ball, you hide the ball shirt one too,

788
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:05,480
thro and only fly fly the flag, folks, fly the

789
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:10,599
flag t n H. I mean, it's all there, your powers.

790
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,760
That one, that's a weird one. Would be surprise. I'd

791
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,599
be surprised if we moved many units of that one.

792
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,840
You've been talking to Frank. It's a huge ques It's

793
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,039
I came about the parrot. But I have no fucking

794
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:29,880
idea why. Oh, I mean, just answer the question.

795
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: You know.

796
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: That's that's exactly it what I mean.

797
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: So progressingts dot com slash lapsed fan for your T

798
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:39,440
shirt needs chop tease, the lapsed fan for hoodies and

799
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:40,119
all kinds.

800
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: Of other things. We got the f U n B

801
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,960
three sixteen shirt. Fuck you got that right.

802
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a tour. Hulk Cogan's life

803
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,000
and times are our apparel stores and so much more so.

804
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,159
We would love to hey look forward to seeing some

805
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,639
folks uh in New York City wearing some lap swag

806
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:55,920
as well.

807
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,079
Speaker 1: That would be highly.

808
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: Appropriate and maybe indeed I'll I'll wear my brother the shirt.

809
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,039
Oh yeah, you better bring that jacket. Oh you got

810
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,840
to bring that fucking chop tease Varsity only the only

811
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,719
the the vaniest among us can yes, gobble that one

812
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,480
up before limited supplies ran out. That's like a fucking

813
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,079
that's like a piece of history in the wild, right. So, uh,

814
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,679
cameo is rocking for your for your needs the lapsed Fan,

815
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,239
and it's rogues gallery of characters available to you that way.

816
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,679
With you know so much birthdays and holidays coming up

817
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,920
on the holidays, you don't want to avail yourself of

818
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,599
our availability on on cameo. And uh, like I said,

819
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:40,599
live calls up the wazoo, including a very successful experiment

820
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,440
that we did with the a W Live calls for

821
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,320
the Hall in Show where Mama Sorrow joined us. Yes,

822
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,039
we did available still a la carte purchased per match

823
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,400
and thanks to all that supported that that experiment. We

824
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,800
really enjoyed it and feel like it really really came

825
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,480
together nicely. So those are still available at patreon dot

826
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:00,599
com slash lapsed Fan.

827
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:05,119
Speaker 1: Don't forget the Terry the Terry Yaki brother shirt, Terry

828
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,639
Aki brother Ichi ban Ichi ban ye Ichiban. It's it's

829
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,639
all there, It's it's the whole hull. Thanks so much.

830
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,280
I I just forgot. I forgot about some of these shirts.

831
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,239
It's chop A Mania even like Udi Mania and truck

832
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:43,239
Hogan Harukamania, the Japanese yah so stupid. Oh my god.

833
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,079
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here. I'm looking at a canvas piece that

834
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,519
Chroma Slamb did of me, surrounded by a bunch of wrestlers,

835
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:56,920
including Hulk Hogan. I'm looking at a wall hanging from

836
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,440
Tom Fleming, the former w w f R department employee

837
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,679
that we had on and mural that he did for

838
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,920
the lobby of Titan Towers with the whole dead center.

839
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:07,519
I'm looking at a Hulk Hogan has bro redone to

840
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,719
look like Cidy dy Udy Mania courtesy of our friends

841
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,639
down in Florida. Gonna come see us soon. I got

842
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:17,480
a Hulk Hogan fucking uh what do you call it?

843
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:22,760
Three D printed headphone thing here with his mustache's.

844
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:23,679
Speaker 1: He's everywhere he is.

845
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 2: Bookcase, the bookcase is screaming at me with all kinds

846
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,480
of Hogan stuff.

847
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: Remember remember he was. He was listed as a John

848
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:37,360
Doe in Uh, yes, the rules and we have rules,

849
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,400
do rule rules. I was going through some of Crova

850
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:49,800
Slamsulk shirt Jesus Christ.

851
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: I was going through some of the Chroma Slamb's Journey

852
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,800
art that he's done. You've seen on our ex account

853
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:57,159
when we post like the list of episodes like we

854
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,880
just did for t n H. He's always got such

855
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,719
a wonderful like of the journey in one image and

856
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,719
that's and that's the trial of his life. It's Hogan

857
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,159
in a ring with dough rules on his shirt, striking

858
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,400
a pose. And I was like, oh yeah, dough rules

859
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:12,360
because he was referred to as John Doe in the

860
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,199
George Hornan trial because they wanted to avoid publicity around

861
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,960
him and putting things on file in court that would

862
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,400
create more of a media stir.

863
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:23,079
Speaker 1: So tremendous, So tremendous.

864
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: It's I mean, what did you say to me before

865
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,239
we started recording? He said, Hulk Coogan's dead. Yeah, said

866
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,280
it again? Why did you say it again?

867
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: I I because it's not real yet, was it ever.

868
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,159
That's a good point. That's a good point. We don't

869
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,800
know if he's really dead. Just remember that could mean

870
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,320
his death. I meant justice his life real, but his

871
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,119
life real. We don't know is his death reeal, We

872
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:53,000
don't know? You know.

873
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: The thing I know from Hulk his life is a

874
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,239
series of runs and run ins. We're about to embark

875
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,880
on one more run for the hulksterre here with.

876
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: The and what about what about? You know? Maybe he's

877
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,280
on that island that we always use to talk about, brother,

878
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,159
at Hawaiian Island where you know people go when they

879
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,119
quote unquote die brother, brother, brother, May you be there?

880
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:20,519
I don't know? You tell me I know? Brother? Great point.

881
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,159
So what the fuck is up?

882
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: Huh?

883
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,559
Speaker 1: What you know about it? Nothing? Nothing down. Let's go

884
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:33,679
to the mail bag. What do you say?

885
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: Let's do it last time for the Holster to begin

886
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,360
with at least this is the summer mail bag, and

887
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,360
we'll be going through as we go and give shout

888
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,840
outs to folks that we know will be joining us

889
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,559
at a comedy village as well, who've been kind enough

890
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,119
to let us know, like count on me pal, they

891
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,320
they answered the bell as far as sending a little

892
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:53,400
confirmation our way. So Chris, I want to thank you

893
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,559
very much and look forward to uh, he's coming to

894
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:58,519
his third live show, wow, expecting it to be a

895
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,280
doozy Dave Murray. This is our practice on these meil

896
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,320
back shows. We also want to thank folks who have

897
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,599
since the last time we mailbagged, pledged to us on

898
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,000
Patreon and decided that we're worth actual money. So thank

899
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,400
you very much to us, to Dave Murray for his pledge.

900
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:14,639
Shout out to Austin who's going to be taking a

901
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,559
bus from the DC area to make the show. These

902
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,400
folks are not going anywhere near MetLife. Okay, that's what

903
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,039
I love. That's what I fucking love.

904
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, oh, so Ww's coming, So we'll do

905
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,320
the show and we'll get the fans like well, actually

906
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,039
most of them are just coming to see us.

907
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: I know, it's hard to believe. That's the fucking truth.

908
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,119
Andrew on Patreon in light of SummerSlam ninety one being

909
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,960
added to the vault, Yeah, this WW vault thing, we got.

910
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,119
Speaker 1: Our eye on that. Okay, can we talk about that

911
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:44,599
real quick?

912
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, I don't know where they found the

913
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,320
person behind that or the people behind that, but you, sir,

914
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,039
have our fucking endorsement, and that's hard to say, because

915
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:53,840
we you know, I set a high bar for.

916
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,679
Speaker 1: That ship, and you have our attention. Best way to

917
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,639
put it all right, like we are all these great

918
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:04,559
American bashes, fucking the I just they have a Sunday

919
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:06,920
Night Slam show. Those shows have not been available before.

920
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,719
Sunday Night Slam has not been available before the network.

921
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,599
What the fuck? They're getting dirty?

922
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: They're getting dirty and LATAs SummerSlam ninety one are very

923
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,719
first show being added to the vault. In hul Cogan's passing,

924
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,920
I re listened to episode one. You two start the

925
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,559
death toll early on because ten dead is a big number.

926
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,760
Ten dead, that's a big number. God, they're ten dead

927
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,320
in that show, on that show. Yes, there were ten

928
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,119
dead when we did it.

929
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:36,039
Speaker 1: You think about it.

930
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,679
Speaker 2: Now, he says, gentlemen, I must report that in July

931
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,039
of twenty twenty five, some eleven years later, we now

932
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:45,519
stand at twenty three dead. Oh no, we have added

933
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:51,599
Butch Virgil, Animal, Bobby Heenan, Renee Gulay, Pat Patterson, Howard Finkel,

934
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,920
Roddy Piper, gene Oakerland, General Adnan, Colonel Mustafa sid Justice,

935
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,119
and Hulk Hogan to the list. By my account, he

936
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,920
writes there now officially more dead and than alive from

937
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,239
the Slams ninety one. Whoa I repeat, he writes, more

938
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,400
dead than alive. The one thing we must hold on

939
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:12,679
too in these times is that the warlord could be

940
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,199
the last man standing, God.

941
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:21,159
Speaker 1: Willing, God willing. Can do you believe that? That's no,

942
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,920
I can't believe that. Actually, that's hard. That's hard to

943
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:26,519
hate to hear.

944
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 2: It just never never occurred to me when we started

945
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,719
doing this that, yeah, we might do it through everybody leaving.

946
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:34,559
Speaker 3: You know.

947
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: It just seemed like they were timeless and we'll just

948
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,800
revisit it and it'll be great. Are they ever gonna die?

949
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: No?

950
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: Why would they. Let's get to what Jeff had to say,

951
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,920
Boss if you can. Hey, guys, I'll get to Hogan

952
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,920
in a minute. But a quick thought on Gene and Heenan.

953
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,079
This recent mini journey has been just as much about

954
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,800
them as Hogan. Well, Hogan brought you in the door.

955
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,239
The humor of those two kept you hooked in those

956
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,239
weeks in those week two week programs build the built

957
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,960
to the next time you saw a Hulk on TV.

958
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,440
Gene and Bobby were like your uncle and grandpa, like

959
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,559
when your dad would take you to breakfast and meet

960
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,800
with the men of the family without mom and grandma around.

961
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,480
The jokes were a little dirty, a little crass, but

962
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:17,639
never anything too far. You snickered because you got the

963
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,079
joke and were allowed to laugh without having to explain

964
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:23,599
how you knew that joke was funny. It's true. It's

965
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,679
a good point. I can never I don't know, I

966
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,559
never really got. I don't think I had breakfast. And

967
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:30,719
I would have never had breakfast my grandfather and my

968
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,719
dad alone because that just would have been okay, that

969
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:39,119
would have been awful. That went awful. My grandfather was

970
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:41,360
much nicer to his grandchildren than he was to his own.

971
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,880
Kids understood so like it just would not have happened.

972
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,519
It would never happened. But I appreciate the sentiment. I

973
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:51,960
definitely had moments where my I can remember something like

974
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,559
the early dirty jokes my dad would share, like just

975
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,360
you know, it's like, oh, my shit, like you you

976
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,519
understand that. In my mind, it was like it was

977
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,639
like it wasn't like how do I know that, It's

978
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:03,960
like how.

979
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,599
Speaker 3: Do you know that?

980
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: Old man?

981
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,119
Speaker 3: You know?

982
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,079
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a that's a funny, that's a funny say. Anyway,

983
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,559
So on to Hogan. I don't remember a day where

984
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,079
I wasn't a Hulk of maniac. Based on your conversations,

985
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,440
I assume I am two or three years younger than

986
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,960
you both. I don't and remember anyone sitting me in

987
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,400
front of the TV and saying, this is wrestling. This

988
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:28,800
is Hulk Hogan. He is the good guy. Just always

989
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,360
seemed like wrestling was on TV and Hulk was my favorite.

990
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,679
It's strange because my parents weren't wrestling fans. My dad

991
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,880
was very much the I'm not I'm not watching this

992
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,800
Fike stuff type. But I always remember having the Hulk

993
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,880
Hogan wrestling buddy, the Hogan l JN, the Hogan has

994
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,199
bro hell. There's photos of my fourth birthday and the

995
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,840
Hulk Hogan cake, And like you, I know, I watched

996
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,519
Hogan and Warrior as a kid, but I have no

997
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:59,119
idea if it was live or VHS someone or VHS

998
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,199
someone put on for me. But I'll never forget how

999
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,559
strange it was to see the face paint worn off

1000
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:08,320
Warriors face. That's it, you know that. That's probably one

1001
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,679
of the most unsettling things as a wrestling fan when

1002
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:15,480
you're a kid when you know that a wrestler has

1003
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,880
face paint and then you see it kind of chip

1004
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,480
away throughout the course of the match, and instead it's

1005
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:24,480
like no, no, no, no, no no no, why yeah,

1006
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,239
why are you doing that? Didn't one time and wrestle

1007
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,199
mamia say like, is he losing his skin? Like you

1008
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:34,519
didn't understand that it was paint? Yes? Right, oh awful.

1009
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,840
I continue to love wrestling in the Bread era. However,

1010
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,639
like most, I became lapsed by ninety five ninety six.

1011
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,639
But baseball was as much to blame as anything else.

1012
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:46,519
My summers were devoted into playing baseball. But when I

1013
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:48,719
got back to school in nineteen ninety six, the kids

1014
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,280
were talking about WCW. I knew WCW, would never really

1015
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,639
watch it. However, Raise or Ramone and Diesel were now

1016
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,079
partners with Hulk Hogan, and they were bad guys and

1017
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:03,760
they use their real names. I don't know about Hollywood

1018
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,039
Terry Blaya. That wouldn't Yeah, I understand that I was

1019
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:12,840
hooked again. I had to see this. That's actually fucking funny. Hollywood,

1020
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:20,119
Hollywood Blaya, it's pretty awesome. Instead of Bollywood it's Balaya.

1021
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:25,360
Would well, oh, my god, No, Bollywood blaya. That's funny. Yeah,

1022
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:30,599
that's fucking funny. Bollywood Bulaya. Okay, there's a shirt. I'm

1023
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:34,239
gonna do that one I had. I had to see this.

1024
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,679
Hold on, What is fuck's going on? Here? Oh? Sorry?

1025
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,320
A program came up and all of a sudden just

1026
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,760
said I'm closing now, just letting you know that I'm

1027
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,400
You've ignored me long enough, so I'm going to close. Okay,

1028
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:52,119
thanks program. For better or worse. I was hooked on

1029
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,119
wrestling through two thousand and two ish, when life, dating,

1030
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,679
and a social life was more important than continuing to

1031
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,880
watch wrestling. I often wonder if it was healthy for

1032
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:06,159
me to be a wrestling fan, for any of us

1033
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,679
to be wrestling fans. It's not. No, that's an easy one. Okay,

1034
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,920
it's not healthy. It's it's a it's a it's a

1035
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,920
it's a drug addiction. It's a bad addiction. It's it's

1036
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,039
gonna listen, Being a wrestling fan is going to cause

1037
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,320
you way more harm than good. When being frustrated by

1038
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,320
the product makes you watch it more, that's when you know,

1039
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,639
right exactly. The millennials who didn't watch wrestling weren't conditioned

1040
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:35,480
to terms like jobber, mid Carter, main eventor preserving your spot.

1041
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,480
It definitely had a negative effect, as I often worried

1042
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,360
about not being a Maine venter in real life, when

1043
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,880
most well adjusted people weren't worried about this kind of

1044
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:48,000
dumb Carnie ship. You gotta have a little bit of

1045
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,760
that Carnie in yet I wasn't gonna come in Andy,

1046
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,199
Let's fucking go. Jim knows, Jeene fucking knows knows.

1047
00:53:56,119 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: Exactly how to handle it. I want you to know

1048
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,760
that when we did the Patterson What's up? Boss, that

1049
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,800
was him. That was when we recorded Pat Patterson himself

1050
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,199
saying that is you saying brother?

1051
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,119
Speaker 1: Not because kind of sounds like him. He kind of

1052
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:19,960
sounds like him for real. That's why I did it out.

1053
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,360
Oh my god, I don't think he's ever said brother

1054
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:25,280
like that, like just that calmly.

1055
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: That's from the Wonderful Crumbslam mash up where he goes

1056
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,840
omelets knobs, omelets knobs, Brother, what brother, dude?

1057
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: There some vegies of those almost dude, excuse me, he

1058
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,880
said a lot there, which was a little almostude. What

1059
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,920
you put some veggies in those almost dude? Knobs Veggies brother.

1060
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: And we asked Brian Kobbs to his face, what Hulk

1061
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,360
likes for breakfast? Because of all this ship.

1062
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,519
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing. I mean, poor fucking crippled

1063
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:03,000
Brian Knobs. Okay, let's think about that. What kind of

1064
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,079
podcast is this? Remember that when we asked him that question.

1065
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:08,000
Just tell us what he likes for. I don't know

1066
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:10,960
what do you ask me this for. It's a culinary

1067
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,360
it's a culinary podcast.

1068
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:16,199
Speaker 2: We do a podcast about what wrestlers eat. That's a

1069
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,360
great that'd be a great like excuse stastic.

1070
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: Food question, would it? Would we we specialize in wrestler cuisines.

1071
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,840
Is when you think about the Ahmed Johnson interview we did,

1072
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:32,199
what do you remember? I just remember sausage and cheese,

1073
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,360
sausage and cheesy from fucking seven to eleven sitting on

1074
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:44,719
his desk there, Oh my god, Johnson, what a trip.

1075
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:47,639
And of course meat sauce. You know you can't that's

1076
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,840
it now, the great sauce, sausage and cheese and omelets.

1077
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,480
There we go with that. That's the name of that's

1078
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:55,159
the name of the wrestler Wrestlers Eating podcast. Right, there

1079
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:03,679
was a corner. Before Hogan died, I thought to send

1080
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,320
you an email asking the question quote, does it used

1081
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,079
to be better? Include Turner employees being embarrassed to sell

1082
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:15,239
ad space during wrestling? Yes, yes it does, Yes, it does. Okay.

1083
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:18,119
The fact that they're okay with that is not Is

1084
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:20,920
this not okay? All right? Like they need to be

1085
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,679
miserable wanting to sell ad space to pro wrestling like

1086
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,920
I want to talk to the people. Yes, Oh my god,

1087
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,039
are they really bringing this ship? Oh my god? Our

1088
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:42,519
number one program is what wait wait, I'm sorry. You

1089
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,840
know you said this aw thing. I thought it was

1090
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:50,920
something legit. It's it's it's like that fake wrestling. Is

1091
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,000
that WrestleMania stuff? You're bringing WrestleMania to Turner Again, that's

1092
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:00,159
a way to put it. Well, we are about for

1093
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:05,239
the audience, but they don't actually own WrestleMania. But that's

1094
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,400
a whole different thing. Oh you get I can give

1095
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,159
you this this that my mom one point asked a

1096
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:22,239
question about ask me a question how she didn't understand

1097
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:29,000
that WrestleMania was a show owned by w WH Like

1098
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:35,320
she thought WrestleMania was like a brand essentially and that

1099
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,400
and that you know, oh, did did does oh does

1100
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,840
vins mick Man work for WrestleMania? Oh my god, Yes,

1101
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,719
while it was gonna take a long time. Mom Oh,

1102
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,000
it was amazing. Does it used to be better? Include

1103
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,360
sponsors in mainstream media avoiding wrestling like it was some

1104
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:58,960
kind of disease, Yes, yes it does. Those are the

1105
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,840
days we're find for. Yes. Hogan is the story of

1106
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,159
America Ronald Reagan to today. The faux patriotism of the

1107
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,800
of the nineteen eighties, followed by the shades of gray

1108
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,360
of the nineties that spilled over into the two thousands,

1109
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:16,000
the reality show era, and the damage of that era

1110
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:19,679
we still feel today. The quote everyone has a camera

1111
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,280
era hubbada, Oh yeah, hubbada, that's all he puts down

1112
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,840
in parenthes. Hbbada has to be out of retirement, hubbout

1113
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:34,599
who That followed the quote everyone needs to react to

1114
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:38,039
the headlines era, followed by this trash fire we stare

1115
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:41,639
into on a daily basis. Go, Jeff, Yeah, I'm jealous

1116
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:43,400
of the adult fan who sat in the crowd at

1117
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,880
WrestleMania three, the fan who only knew that Andrea the

1118
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,480
Giant was a character who turned on Hulk Hogan and

1119
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:52,239
now he asked to pay for what he did. He

1120
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,400
didn't know their real names, their real lives, whether they

1121
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,280
were shitheads or not. He went to WrestleMania, had a

1122
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,559
great time, and didn't think about his life for a

1123
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:03,440
few hours. He wasn't required to have an opinion or

1124
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,639
feel guilty for supporting these awful people. I feel warmness

1125
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:10,119
to my childhood again when I think about Hulk. But

1126
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:12,199
you cannot reflect on the fact that one of the

1127
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,559
last images of him healthy is a Donald Trump's shirt.

1128
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,360
Damn fucking right. This is again. This is the conundrum.

1129
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,920
This is the conundrum. Okay, you can't watch the tribute

1130
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:28,519
and not think about Triple H and Stephanie working with

1131
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:32,239
RFK Junior, a man whose health policies are making it

1132
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,039
harder for future patients to survive what Triple H survived

1133
00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:40,239
with his heart. You can't think of friends who are

1134
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,400
going to be negatively affected by Linda McMahon. Also to note,

1135
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:47,079
I don't really spend time on social media or read it,

1136
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,280
but the people sitting around waiting to gatekeep other people's

1137
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,960
mourning is fucking gross. Yeah. I agree with that too,

1138
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,320
So Hulk. I've been listening to the Laps fan. Oh

1139
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,519
so Hulk. I've been listening to a LAPS fan for

1140
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:03,519
more than ten years, and every penny I've given you

1141
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:06,800
is worth it. From the beginning, what I've loved about

1142
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,760
this podcast is how it unlocked those memories of the

1143
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,800
birthday where I got my Hasbro ring and a huge

1144
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,559
collection of figures. How my grandma would call my mom

1145
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:18,000
in the summer to tell her to turn on Regis

1146
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:20,519
and Kathy Lee so I could see the wrestlers who

1147
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:24,239
got interviewed, and how I love this goofy form of entertainment.

1148
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,239
Thanks for everything. I can't wait to hear this mail box.

1149
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,880
Thank you Jeff for getting things started with some smoke.

1150
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:31,400
Damn right.

1151
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of that. A turnover of eras,

1152
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,480
the turnover of the nature of the country all it's

1153
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:40,960
all there in hul Cogan Caleb Hamilton, we want to

1154
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,480
thank you very much for bumping up your pledge and

1155
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,519
sure hope you enjoy the vip tire on Patreon. Matt Anderson,

1156
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:48,159
welcome to the executive producer tear. Do enjoy under the

1157
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:53,320
cinemat and all else what privileges you too? Yep, Andrew

1158
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,239
is a good point in Patreon he writes, this is

1159
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:57,039
another part of the reason why you should pledge. I mean,

1160
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,559
some of the smartest, most insightful comments you'll see on

1161
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,480
the topics to Jore the pay per views we live

1162
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:04,719
call everything are on our Patreon feed. You've got to

1163
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,239
see the comments people put underneath these audiophiles. He writes,

1164
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:10,119
I invite you to imagine a world where most things

1165
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:14,320
stay the same, but Jeane and Heenan stay. Jeane is

1166
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,400
interviewing the Rock on Raw. Heenan is on the call

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instead of Lawlor. Forget it, what are we talking? I mean,

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01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:22,840
that's just that I can't. I can't even I can't

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01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,400
you fathom I can't. It's it's it's it's like what.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Row. I don't mind telling you, I'm

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01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:34,679
here with my God. Can you imagine.

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Speaker 5: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need

1173
01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:45,480
their candy? It's the lapsed fan. He's the lapsed fan

1174
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:49,840
Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnasio and JP Sorrow.

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01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: Just so's the point that you've been made several times

1176
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,639
like all right, coming up? I got stone Cold Steve

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01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:56,719
alson on a hotline.

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Speaker 2: We know Hogan made it feel like it's supposed to feel,

1179
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,360
but he was on T once every two months. Yeah, okay, Yes,

1180
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,119
it was the stick men like Gene and Bobby and

1181
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:10,519
Gorilla and the rest, Vince, Jesse, Piper perfect, these people

1182
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,400
that would be the through line. They would be the

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,639
scene setters, they would be the soundtrack Lord al Sean Mooney.

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01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:20,440
I'm not saying everyone was great at their job. I'm

1185
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:24,719
just saying that we could receive everything on kind of

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01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,639
an equal level. Things were all Everything to us was

1187
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,679
interesting to a point because those people were the voices

1188
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:34,239
of it. Yeah, gave so many wrestlers had starts in

1189
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,599
terms of getting our attention because it was the same

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01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,559
voice that proclaimed magic when hul Cogan part of the

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curtain or sprung into action via Jesse Ventura or Bobby

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,480
Heenan hyperventilating at the presence of a Hull Cogan. Paul

1193
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,800
writes on Patreon co Chairs, I don't believe you've covered

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,360
Clash the Champions twenty six heen and ww debut. Yes,

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01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,880
we were wondering about that during our batch of the

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01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,480
Beach ninety four show, right, But he makes a good point.

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We may have played the audio shared in this episode was.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was also with the time Time Master as well,

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because I've played the class right and I didn't well,

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I wasn't sure if we'd covered it.

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Speaker 2: It was while covering Suberbral four, which was Heenes's first

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01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,679
w stub pay per view, that we touched on and

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01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,480
probably played the audio of that debut. And Ram Mansou,

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01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,320
thank you very much for increasing your pledge. Appreciate the

1205
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:22,119
vote of confidence. Matt wants us to know that what

1206
01:04:22,159 --> 01:04:23,719
we should do for the Hogan Tribute is redo the

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01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,199
first nine manias. It's the only Hogan story we haven't

1208
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:28,360
done properly. Well, I think in some ways we can

1209
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,039
kind of do that because yeah, I don't think people

1210
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:34,400
want us to deep dive the three hour plus broadcasts again,

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01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:38,199
but there probably is some things when going systematically year

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through yearth with life and times of Hull Code and

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01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,400
that we can say in and around WrestleManias. We were

1214
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,360
just talking about this, think about Saturgnite's main event and

1215
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,840
how so many of those set up WrestleMania's right exactly.

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01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of stuff and in the

1217
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,119
main event shows as well, you know, the live Friday

1218
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:56,639
night broadcast on NBC. You know there's a lot of

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01:04:56,639 --> 01:04:59,079
stuff that we that we can we can use to

1220
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,840
help fill in blanks in regards to those and not necessarily.

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I've never I've never thought, even even shows as far

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01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:10,480
back as summer some ninety one, I've never thought to myself, Oh,

1223
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,119
we should go back and redo it. Redoing it? I

1224
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:14,599
don't think that doesn't work for me?

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01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: Brother, No, no, not quite, not quite in the and

1226
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:19,000
then this is a way to kind of do that

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01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:22,960
without having to literally read these shows. Right, I think

1228
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:26,199
what will be will be great is and I'm realizing

1229
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:28,400
this as I talk. I probably should have realized this earlier,

1230
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,199
but it would be great if folks could just share

1231
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,400
us their top ten shows, like what are the ten

1232
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:35,400
pay per views or events that could be television specials

1233
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,599
that we absolutely must give the traditional lapse treatment to

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01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,400
as part of this journey. And that is to say

1235
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,920
shows we haven't done before top ten because we've come

1236
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,280
up with a list of how many was it like

1237
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,039
thirty or something like that. Yeah, but that's just a

1238
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:50,360
spitballing going chronologically through what we know we haven't done.

1239
01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:53,039
But we want to put it on you with much

1240
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:55,039
more restrictions. We want you to be the ones to

1241
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,639
decide instead of just boiling the ocean, if you really

1242
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:00,159
had to edit down the absolute essential, whole cocin, what

1243
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,920
are the shows that we haven't done that we should

1244
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,639
deep dive in traditional format? That I think is a

1245
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:08,400
key part of charting our course here. So among the

1246
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,400
many things we're asking you to send to the lapsed

1247
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,039
fan at gmail dot com are those lists, and we'll

1248
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:14,880
compare and contrast them. Of course, we're not going to

1249
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,400
commit to doing any one person's list, but if we

1250
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,599
see echoes across the list's boss, I think it's pretty

1251
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:21,920
safe to say yes, that show should be on it.

1252
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:23,639
Speaker 1: Agreed, b C.

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01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: We want to thank you very much for your pledge. Meyermania,

1254
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:27,960
thanks very much for all your support in your recent

1255
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:30,679
increase in pledge. Dorian writes on Patreon, it's part of

1256
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,800
me that doesn't want this episode to end. He's talking

1257
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,880
about what else Bash at the Beach nineteen ninety four Ye,

1258
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:38,000
in the wake of Hulkogan's passing. We've got a whole

1259
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:40,599
other round of comments on that episode because the new

1260
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:44,719
poignancy brought to it, he writes. Once it's over, there

1261
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,440
will never be an episode that will feel like this.

1262
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: Again.

1263
01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the death toll will take a long time to

1264
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,280
get used to with Hogan in it. Yes, yep, have

1265
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:58,519
you adjusted? No, Mike, I mean listen, can you imagine?

1266
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:00,639
Can you imagine like I mean, the the first show

1267
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,360
get when we get to the first show on this

1268
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,559
Hogan tribute that includes a death toll, He'll be on it.

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01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's weird. It's weird, it's it's

1270
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,119
it's borderline unacceptable.

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01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:21,079
Speaker 2: I think we'd be comfortable by now, but we're actually

1272
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,920
entering the least comfortable phase we've ever been in. Yeah,

1273
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,920
oh yeah, Mike writes subject line hoof Hey, coach chairs

1274
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:30,639
or hope you and yours are doing well. Good luck

1275
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:32,920
with August third and with how you proceed following the

1276
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,840
death of all Cogan. I'm sure you'll give myself and

1277
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,440
the rest of the LAPS fan solar system the best

1278
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,360
content tributing terry that is humanly possible. That said, you

1279
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,400
have welcomed ideas, and wilst I don't think my ideas

1280
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,679
are going to touch what YouTube geniuses will create for

1281
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,960
us lapsed fans, here goes eighties WWF. Crazy as this sounds,

1282
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:48,639
I feel like there is no need to go into

1283
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:51,079
too much detail into peak Hogan fame. TLF is, in

1284
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:53,280
and of itself, a Hogan tribute, always has been, and

1285
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,400
will continue to be one going forward. Every time you

1286
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,760
revisit the next set of three Colisseum tapes, you will

1287
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,840
teach us more about the Holtster. At that time, you

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01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:02,400
will also still have at least four eighties pay per

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,880
views to Deep Dive, not to mention Saturday Night's main

1290
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,599
event shows you can use to teach us more about

1291
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:08,519
Terry Hulk Cogan. I just think, is the next few

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01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:11,000
years of TLF unfold, you could honor this part of

1293
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:13,719
his career life just by doing TLF business as usual. Yeah,

1294
01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:16,840
I think that's what we're saying. Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's kind of it'll feel.

1296
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: Like we're just picking shows like we always do, but

1297
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,760
we'll just bias shows that Hulk Cogan was a part of,

1298
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,399
which is a lot of the ones that people want

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01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:26,159
us to do anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 2: He then writes seventies Slash two thousand and two WWFE

1302
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,159
run with the above in mind, I suggest rewatching key

1303
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:34,000
moments from No Way Out two thousand and two T

1304
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:36,319
and H style. It works when you both watch matches

1305
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:38,479
and segments during the episode. You've done it for Terry,

1306
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,600
Sid Virgil, et cetera, and it was mostly how you

1307
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,680
structured TNH. The only other thing I could think of

1308
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,880
is covering some seventy stuff that you may have access to.

1309
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,039
Don't know if you have his Heel run original match

1310
01:08:47,119 --> 01:08:50,199
with Andrea et cetera. Well, we'll see about that. Awa.

1311
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,359
I know you both love the Aaba Journey way back

1312
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:54,399
when and it started with Hogan leaving. Perhaps there are

1313
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:55,880
a few big matches you may have access to that

1314
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,279
could be good to be included.

1315
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: We you know, I did stumble upon something. Oh really,

1316
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,079
if you have mischief in your voice, I do, I do.

1317
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:05,800
I mean, I don't mind telling you right now that

1318
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:09,920
I forgot that I downloaded a while back. Ah an

1319
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,960
aw a tape from nineteen ninety the Best of Hull Cogan.

1320
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,680
Oh yeah, so we've got a lot of We've got

1321
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,159
some Hull Cogan stuff in there, like at least an

1322
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,960
hour's worth of Hull Cogan and stuff that, you know,

1323
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,760
probably stuff we haven't seen before. Probably yep, I'm sure

1324
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,800
they have the Bachwinkle match, but other stuff we haven't

1325
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:28,199
seen before.

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01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 2: You know, I know that exact tape, and I'm trying

1327
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,760
to remember where along the way we incorporated that. It

1328
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,520
was probably the I know what it was. It was

1329
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,479
when we did the nineteen eighty four Genuarly ninetety four

1330
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,079
Madison Square Garden Show where he beats Iron Cheek.

1331
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:42,359
Speaker 1: For the title.

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, went through that tape a bit and try to,

1333
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,119
you know, pick out some of the the last vestiges

1334
01:09:48,119 --> 01:09:50,039
of Hull Comania and in AWA because I know that

1335
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:54,439
Ye Eric Bischoff in a green screen, right is the MC.

1336
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: For thatsh Off right right, It's like it's it's crazy.

1337
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,119
It's well, it's just crazy. How it's It's like, it's

1338
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:04,439
it's it's it's it's wild because obviously they can do it,

1339
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,039
they own the footage. How they were just trying to

1340
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:08,600
cash Oh yeah, ride.

1341
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 2: The wave because you know, somewhere in his mind, vern's

1342
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,680
like I made the fucking guy because the first time

1343
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,680
anyone said Hull Camania he was in the A w A.

1344
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,199
I mean, the first whole Camania t shirt was in

1345
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:21,399
the AWA. To deal with that reality, I mean, they

1346
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:22,760
put him in the ring and he was just so

1347
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,600
over as a baby face after Rocky three, that their

1348
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,279
original plans to have him be a mount monster heel

1349
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:30,600
managed by Johnny Valiant went right out the fucking window

1350
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,920
within a matter of months because after Rocky three he

1351
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:36,600
was just too fucking over. He was too the fans

1352
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,680
wanted him to be a good guy just so badly

1353
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,119
that they just went with it, and thus the whole

1354
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:45,079
coach and we all know was born. He writes, simply,

1355
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:47,159
put on, like Sid Terry Funk, Virgil Sabu would Hall,

1356
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:48,439
I don't think you need to keep doing show after

1357
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,399
show until you feel he's fully tributed. I feel like

1358
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:52,279
you'd be tributing him for several years to come. Yeah,

1359
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:54,279
it'll feel ograntic in that way. I know exactly what

1360
01:10:54,359 --> 01:10:56,560
it means, perhaps until the cast comes to an end

1361
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,239
years down the line. Thanks for indulging my message is

1362
01:10:59,239 --> 01:11:01,079
ever Thank you for the asked. You guys are a gift. Well,

1363
01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:02,920
thank you, Mike, thanks for your support and for taking

1364
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,319
the time to write in some very insightful stuff there.

1365
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 1: Nick.

1366
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,119
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining that mote tier for

1367
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:12,600
only the bravest among us, and we understand it's a plunge. Sure,

1368
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:16,560
what a way to express support for what we do.

1369
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,399
And what a way to say, you know what this

1370
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,520
actually can be if you come real enough, you actually

1371
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,439
can make money. You know, like it's not just some

1372
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:29,800
like bullshit like you know, crying for penny stuff. It's like, no,

1373
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,239
you guys are doing something that deserves to be compensated

1374
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:35,600
like any high level production. And that's that's what's up,

1375
01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:38,159
and that's the proof, and that's why people to this

1376
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:40,359
day just knocking our doors out of nowhere like hey,

1377
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:41,319
I saw, yeah, I know it.

1378
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: You saw you saw the Patreont number. I know its

1379
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,640
just saw Nick.

1380
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,399
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome to the

1381
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,439
Executive Producer tier, my friend. We appreciated Morgan Cameron. A

1382
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,199
lot of these folks jumped up because of the call

1383
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,399
we made available, the call between the Boss and I

1384
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,159
sharing the news of all covens passing. That available exclusively

1385
01:11:58,199 --> 01:11:59,800
in the MOTE tier. So we want to thank the

1386
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:02,920
the new arrivals there. So that's Morgan included. Thank you

1387
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:06,079
very much for your momp. Jacob had a great email.

1388
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:07,520
We're going on and on about what we should do

1389
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,600
about Hogan, and we put a next post out there

1390
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,960
and an Instagram post asking people what we should do.

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Jacob just wrote, you should do an episode about hul Cogan. Thanks,

1392
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:19,560
I think we got that covered great.

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Speaker 1: I think that's great.

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Speaker 2: Tyler writes, I'm sure you're inundated with emails, so I'll

1395
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,039
keep this brief. I feel Backlash O two needs to

1396
01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:28,119
be part of the Hogan coverage. Something tells me, Boss,

1397
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:30,039
when we get those top ten lists, Backlash OH two

1398
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:30,920
is going to be on most of them.

1399
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very, very, very popular.

1400
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,399
Speaker 2: There's nothing more hul Cogan than the way he came

1401
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,840
back into that company and within a month Triple H

1402
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,359
was like losing to him. Triple H, the guy who

1403
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:44,760
could manufacture any circumstance he wanted to stay on top,

1404
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,239
the ultimate manipulator of circumstance, had to fall and pray

1405
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,920
at the knees of the Holkster. So satisfying to see

1406
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,960
happen in so many ways. He has to win that

1407
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,119
Stris app one final time. Tyler writes, Also, one show

1408
01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:03,039
I've wanted needed for years now. Yeah, man, every show

1409
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:05,000
people have needed is going to be in this ho contribute.

1410
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:07,840
I think, right, I really have our time thinking about

1411
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,520
one of the real big we've needed this one for

1412
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,239
year shows that won't fit into what we're about to do.

1413
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's funny again, like you said, it's

1414
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,760
it's it's interesting how all these shows are Hull Hogan.

1415
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,399
It's about Hull Cogan. It's not really you know, there

1416
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:33,479
aren't really other shows that people need that aren't Hogan. Yeah.

1417
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what they need about it is yep,

1418
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:38,800
as they know us at Hogan works, and so they

1419
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,880
just want all of it, you know, and we can

1420
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,640
only get to so much as the years have turned.

1421
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,560
Paul E cautiously writes on Patreon, Lap serendipity. Indeed, while

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,000
if anyone was deserving a full journey as Hogan, the

1423
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:51,960
nineteen ninety four Bash at the Beach episode is a

1424
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,960
great sendoff for the Hulkster, and the chairman did an

1425
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:57,479
admirable job without knowing the eventual weait this episode would carry.

1426
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,960
I look forward to the decade long retrospective there about

1427
01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:03,840
to unleash and unsuspecting but completely prepared Solar system. That's

1428
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,680
another thing. It's nice to know bosses, we know they're

1429
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,039
ready for it, you know, we know we've earned their

1430
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:09,960
trust by doing things like this for other wrestlers in

1431
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,720
the past or other subjects in the past, we would

1432
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,439
I think we probably would have been a little hesitant

1433
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,840
in those early days if Hogan died in twenty fifteen,

1434
01:14:17,399 --> 01:14:19,920
to turn the whole thing over to a Hogan Michi.

1435
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,520
Speaker 1: I also think too, you know. You know what what

1436
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:31,000
I think also helps is is I think why these tributes.

1437
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,239
I think why we feel comfortable doing tributes that can

1438
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:42,079
go long, forever and forever or for whatever need, you know,

1439
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,039
like doing you know what six months of Terry Funk.

1440
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,119
The reason we can do that is because we also

1441
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:55,119
have so much you know, already already locked and loaded

1442
01:14:55,159 --> 01:14:57,560
in the chain totally from the past, you know. Yeah.

1443
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,479
So it's like we've we we built up credibility, We've

1444
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:08,399
built up confidence, and so it it can you know, it'll.

1445
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,359
Speaker 2: I mean I get motivated to climb a mountain, but

1446
01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:13,159
I get even more motivated to fill in you know

1447
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:14,319
what I mean, things that happen.

1448
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: Oh took care of that, to care of that.

1449
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,039
Speaker 2: You know, it's like the huge peaks the valleys are

1450
01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:23,399
now about to be agressed. As I said, absolutely, I

1451
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,920
look forward to the decade long retrospective. Prepared Jack's closing statement,

1452
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,000
Paul writes of quote, Hulk Hogan is still Hulk Cogan

1453
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,600
and everything is going to be all right. Was perfect,

1454
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:34,600
that is in fact the last thing I said.

1455
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:40,039
Speaker 1: That's right. That's freaking crazy that he died after that. Yeah, unreal. Well,

1456
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:42,479
we have a retrospective here from Gareth. This one is

1457
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:43,000
so great.

1458
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: This would have been one that really would have been

1459
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,600
lovely to land in our mailbox. As we went to

1460
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,279
the tail end of TNH, we're going along boss and

1461
01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:55,239
we realize, my god, Hulk Cogan's last match was on

1462
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:59,840
some untelevised UK swing that they did in the Blue

1463
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:03,279
White Impact Wrestling days. I just can't where he just

1464
01:16:03,319 --> 01:16:06,119
came out and you know, his T shirt and wind

1465
01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:10,159
pants and sneakers and you know, technically participated in a match,

1466
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:13,119
and that that was the final wrestling match of Hulk Hogan.

1467
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: Ish.

1468
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,319
Speaker 2: It's part of why we had that kind of half melancholy,

1469
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,960
half celebratory feeling when he died, because we did ten

1470
01:16:22,079 --> 01:16:25,079
H and we know that he did not go out

1471
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:27,319
as Hull Cogan should have gone out in the wrestling business,

1472
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:28,199
not even close.

1473
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:41,279
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean again again, it's like they

1474
01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:45,960
don't let themselves do that. Apparently, not they don't allow themselves.

1475
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,479
I mean it's also it is it is hard. There

1476
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:56,920
aren't many people. There aren't many. Jerry Seinfeld's right, there

1477
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:01,880
aren't many, No, really are you know, David where Letterman.

1478
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,399
You know these guys who who who say, you know what,

1479
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,159
now is the time and they have the balls actually

1480
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,199
followed through with it because you look at you look

1481
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:12,000
at actors like even Sean John Stewart came back for more.

1482
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:14,960
He had a great send off. But even then, like

1483
01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:17,680
think about people who retire a lot of times, they

1484
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:23,439
retire against Sean Connery after a movie tanks, right, you know,

1485
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:28,239
Gene Hackman, same thing, Like, here are these legendary actors

1486
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,920
who you want to almost go out, you know, on

1487
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,720
an Academy Award type movie, a movie where they win

1488
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,279
an Oscar or a movie that makes billions and billions

1489
01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:43,239
of dollars. But they don't. They go out when something sucks.

1490
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:46,039
That's when they're kind of in the like that's it's

1491
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:53,520
it's the it's it's ballsy to actually go out on

1492
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,840
a high note. Yeah, you know, it's balls y. Yeah,

1493
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,840
because you don't overstay. You're welcome, and that's a very

1494
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:05,319
difficult thing. To get right right anyway, Dear co Chairs,

1495
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:07,399
the idea of having come on board just a little

1496
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,399
too late has always been an overwhelmingly overwhelming feeling for

1497
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,159
me when it comes to wrestling. Being around the same

1498
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:16,279
age as the co chairs, wrestling was always on my radar,

1499
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,399
although too young to remember barely anything as it was

1500
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,600
canceled in nineteen eighty eight. My grandmother was a huge

1501
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,880
fan of World of Sport British Wrestling on TV. Another

1502
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,119
thing we've done a decent amount of Under the Cinemat,

1503
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,079
only because of Under the Cinemat, only because of Under

1504
01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:36,880
the Cinemat and Pat Roach, you know, specifically, if I

1505
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:43,039
remember correctly, he was on on the last episode of

1506
01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:46,800
the Wrestling I think we you know, and he talks

1507
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,439
about it in his book and he did a speech

1508
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:53,079
and everything, and I think we played it. We remember this, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1509
01:18:53,239 --> 01:18:58,680
we played an interview. Yeah, but a bit of And

1510
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,840
I was aware of the existence of WWE from the

1511
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,520
snippets i'd managed to catch on my aunt's house as

1512
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,720
they had Sky Television, but try as I did, my

1513
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:11,720
parents would not get us that prized satellite dish, so

1514
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,680
WW on free TV and whatever tapes I could beg

1515
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:20,199
Borrow and Steal were my only exposure as the final

1516
01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:22,359
as the final years of w hul Comania war on,

1517
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,359
Yet everyone knew that Hulk Hogan was the man, and finally,

1518
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,119
around my ninth birthday in May nine ninety three, had happened.

1519
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:30,920
Oh man, I feel like I know where this is going.

1520
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,840
My parents were going to get Sky TV, yes, mainly

1521
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,079
as my dad wanted to watch Premier League football soccer,

1522
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,960
but it didn't matter. Having stayed overnight in my aunt's

1523
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,239
house to watch Wrestlmania nine live, Oh my god, it

1524
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:47,720
was finally happening. I could watch WWETV every single week

1525
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,079
from home, also taping every single show to watch again

1526
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,600
at my grandparents' house with my grandfather, who maintained that

1527
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,279
wrestling was a shoot until the day he died in

1528
01:19:57,399 --> 01:20:03,800
two thousand and one. I don't care the way you

1529
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,880
say over that. All right, I'm gonna tell you right now, Yes,

1530
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:18,880
it's fucking real. Those stupid cunts over in America telling

1531
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,359
you it's not real. It's fucking real. It can't possibly

1532
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:30,399
be real. It's real. Niceably, I love that. But as

1533
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:35,119
soon as I hit Gold, Disasters struck, wrestling was rapidly

1534
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:38,159
losing interest my school friends, who were all swapping wrestling

1535
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:41,680
stickers and having schooler discussions about SummerSlam and Surviversaries ninety two.

1536
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,600
We're moving on by night. By SummerSlam nineteen ninety three,

1537
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,720
I was barely the only kid still watching, and even worse,

1538
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,119
the stars I was so desperate to watch were disappearing

1539
01:20:52,119 --> 01:20:55,680
week by week. Who the fuck are men on a mission?

1540
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,399
Why is the MOUNTI now called Jacques? Where the real

1541
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,640
stars like Warrior Gune? And why isn't Macho Man wrestling anymore?

1542
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,159
But it was Hulk, but it was okay. Hulk was

1543
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:09,840
the WWE champion and the rest I could live with.

1544
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:14,159
We know the rest, and Hulk was gone by SummerSlam.

1545
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,920
That's the funny thing. I just love that he's not

1546
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,159
gone by SummerSlam. To me, No, he's gone by King

1547
01:21:20,199 --> 01:21:21,920
of the RG. Oh yeah, but because he's in the UK,

1548
01:21:22,279 --> 01:21:26,000
that's the last summer but not him. Yep, exactly. The

1549
01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:28,760
house shows they were promoting on Sky against Yokozuna led

1550
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,359
to nothing on TV. Yep, Hulk popped up in WW

1551
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,159
but it wasn't the same. Yes, it was better than nothing,

1552
01:21:35,239 --> 01:21:38,880
but this wasn't what I wanted. Even if me and

1553
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:42,520
Jeene and Heenan were there to keep him company. Over

1554
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,920
here in Europe, the steroid trial didn't make the headlines

1555
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,600
at all, so it was all so confusing. I wanted

1556
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,000
Hulk in the WWE. God damn it. I wanted it

1557
01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:55,039
to be nineteen ninety two, WW Forever the stars I'd

1558
01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:58,000
been deprived of all under the WW banner, just like

1559
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:05,159
I've longed for the nineties. Trump trundled on and I

1560
01:22:05,279 --> 01:22:08,119
tried to catch up on the nineteen eighties and very

1561
01:22:08,319 --> 01:22:11,239
early nineties stuff that I'd missed by way of borrowing

1562
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:13,880
or buying whatever Colisseum video releases I could get my

1563
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:18,079
hands on. Traveling to watch WB or even WW wrestling

1564
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:22,319
shows wasn't an option growing up in rural Wales. Traveling

1565
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:25,960
to England's big cities just wasn't something you did. But

1566
01:22:26,079 --> 01:22:29,520
as we know, by twenty ten, Hogan was in TNA,

1567
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,000
the promotion I've been most closely following since the mid

1568
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:35,760
two thousands. Man, you poor son of a bit.

1569
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 2: That's why TNA was so big in the UK. It

1570
01:22:38,039 --> 01:22:41,359
was a chance for this generation to experience a lot

1571
01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:42,039
of those stars.

1572
01:22:43,319 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: Yeah yuess So as adults and with Hulk on the

1573
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,840
poster and now working and in a position of having

1574
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,439
disposable income, it was a no brainer. But little did

1575
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,760
I know that a house show at Manchester Arena in

1576
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,880
January twenty twelve was to be the Big Man's final

1577
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:09,359
match ever. Attending the show with a friend having only

1578
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:13,479
expected a Hogan promo, the show wore on, but come

1579
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:18,000
mean of end time, still no appearance. Was he going

1580
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:24,239
to even show up? A six man tag? And I

1581
01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:28,279
of the Tigers started to play as hulk Amnia was

1582
01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:35,680
displayed on the big screen. Fuck. No one had seen

1583
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,520
Hulk come out to I of the Tiger since around

1584
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:42,520
eighty six. I was a kid again. Never before or

1585
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,840
since have I regressed so much to the extent that

1586
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,119
I was a nine year old kid again, transfixed on

1587
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:51,399
the TV as Hulk Hogan waltzed out with his disgusting

1588
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:57,119
black eye at WrestleMania. I mean, think about this too, Okay,

1589
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,279
remember remember.

1590
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:03,079
Speaker 3: What was it?

1591
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: What WrestleMania thirty five? Thirty five? The one I went

1592
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:13,079
to in uh yeah, the last one went to Yeah? Okay,

1593
01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:17,039
And I and I you know, the first match we

1594
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:19,840
know is gonna be They're going to open with uh

1595
01:24:20,119 --> 01:24:23,279
with Seth and Brock, and I decided I didn't care

1596
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:27,119
that much, and I'm gonna go get my kid some

1597
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,399
some you know, a shirt or a toy or something

1598
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,079
like that. But then as I'm walking, as I'm walking

1599
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:36,680
down from our nosebleed seats, and I leave the arena

1600
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,840
for two seconds, and then all of a sudden, Real

1601
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:45,680
American comes blaring on and I run back up to

1602
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,159
our seat so we can record that ship because I

1603
01:24:49,279 --> 01:24:52,960
knew and I'm not gonna miss hul Kogan in WrestleMania,

1604
01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:01,479
no fucking way, exactly exactly. I mean, that's why listen

1605
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:08,079
if you listen to our Saturday Night's main event coverage

1606
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:14,560
from this past whatever it was December, you listen to that.

1607
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:18,159
Were we not excited at first to see Hulk Cocain?

1608
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:21,319
Oh yeah, the moment that the music hit, we scream,

1609
01:25:21,399 --> 01:25:25,720
we go crazy, and then it slowly dawns on you that,

1610
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,279
oh wait a minute, this is the same guy who's

1611
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:32,920
a piece of shit. It's weird. It's a very weird thing.

1612
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,359
Because again, this is this is this is the this

1613
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:43,079
is the problem with being a wrestling fan because it

1614
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:50,479
is hard. It is hard at times to differentiate the

1615
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,920
man from the character, or the woman from the character

1616
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,800
or whatever, and that is that that's that's the that's

1617
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,199
the that's a huge issue, huge issue. Well, so many

1618
01:26:03,239 --> 01:26:04,800
of them are the same and so many of them

1619
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,359
are not. The thing is. But the thing is, though,

1620
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,840
is that you can forgive the character. The character can

1621
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,239
be forgiven pretty easily. The human being behind it. Not

1622
01:26:17,399 --> 01:26:22,399
always because the character you know, you love or you

1623
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,960
hate based on what they do in the ring on TV.

1624
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,680
You don't judge per se the character like you do

1625
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:35,479
the human being. I'm not gonna judge. Listen, the Whole

1626
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:40,000
Cogan character that I grew up with on on on

1627
01:26:40,399 --> 01:26:43,359
as a kid in late ninety one and early ninety two,

1628
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:47,079
he didn't have sex at all. So there's no way

1629
01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:48,720
there would be a sex tape because he's an a

1630
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:54,439
sexual individual. Okay, no wrestler had sex. In my mind,

1631
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,159
like I didn't even think about it. And there was

1632
01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:01,359
no way that Whole Cogan was a racist, and there

1633
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,039
was no way that that Whole Cogan would support anybody

1634
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,319
who would destroy the or try to destroy the country.

1635
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,560
But that's not Terry Burlett, that's Hull Cogan. That's the

1636
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:18,239
character hul Cogan that that's that's the weird, that's that's

1637
01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:22,800
that again, that's the problem. That is the problem because

1638
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,880
because they're so because we because that they're that they

1639
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:35,439
there was such that that blending of the fiction and

1640
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,239
the reality in wrestling, there that there has been because

1641
01:27:40,399 --> 01:27:44,439
you got to begin. You know, they insist on on

1642
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:50,159
on portraying everything as a shoot. It's why you can't.

1643
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:57,479
It's why you know, you can watch say, okay, Star Wars,

1644
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:00,640
or you can watch a James Bond movie and you

1645
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,199
don't have to. You don't even I don't even know

1646
01:28:03,279 --> 01:28:06,800
the politics of the guys who played James Bond. I

1647
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,159
don't know. I just know James Bond. I don't know

1648
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:12,119
you know, Sean con I mean outside of his tex

1649
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:14,760
stuff that we've talked about, you know, but in terms

1650
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,119
of you know, I mean, we know, we know, but

1651
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,680
it's like I don't whether I agree, it doesn't get

1652
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,439
in the way of my enjoyment of James Bond. James

1653
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:30,239
Bond is James Bond. I'm gonna love the movie. That's

1654
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:36,680
that's the difference, is that they blurred the lines so

1655
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,960
much that it is hard for wrestling fans. It's hard,

1656
01:28:41,159 --> 01:28:44,399
and it's even harder for people who aren't wrestling fans.

1657
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:53,680
Two understand why wrestling fans, no matter where they are

1658
01:28:54,760 --> 01:29:03,439
on the political social spectrum, why they can be why

1659
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,880
they'd want to pay tribute to this person Because we're

1660
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,239
not paying tribute to Terry Blea. We're paying tribute to

1661
01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:12,119
the character of Hulk Hogan. Yeah.

1662
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,520
Speaker 2: And to have fans decided us whether they can be

1663
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,800
two different people, and the fans decided in his case

1664
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,039
they can't be. If the fans don't boo when he

1665
01:29:20,039 --> 01:29:21,840
comes out as Hull Cogan. After all this, we would

1666
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,039
be perfectly within our rights to receive him as we

1667
01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:27,720
receive James Bond instead of Sean Connery. Yep, it's that

1668
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,920
live audience component that makes the difference.

1669
01:29:31,079 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I think of what he allen but it's but it's

1670
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,760
also but it's also too because think about it like this,

1671
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:41,680
James James Bond wouldn't come out and support Donald Trump.

1672
01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:47,399
Well no, I mean he's not a real person. Hulk

1673
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,359
Cogan is not a real person. Well we know that

1674
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,079
for sure, But you know what I mean, Like again,

1675
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:54,640
this is this is where the problem is is that

1676
01:29:54,960 --> 01:30:01,239
is that is that people when you see Terry Blea

1677
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:06,800
out on the campaign with you know, I'm at that

1678
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,279
at the fucking Republican National Convention with fucking Donald Trump,

1679
01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:11,920
which just like we saw the rock at the Republican

1680
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,760
National Convention in two thousand, right right, when you see

1681
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:21,680
these guys there, it becomes even more confusing.

1682
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:25,359
Speaker 2: It doesn't because the conventions buying the character, right, and

1683
01:30:25,359 --> 01:30:27,840
they're willing to sell the character. Like it would be

1684
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,479
the same exact thing. On the other way, like if

1685
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,960
if James you also wouldn't see James Bond come out

1686
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,760
for the Democratic National Convention for abomba, that'd be just absurd,

1687
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,640
Like what does James Bond being on the stage.

1688
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,520
Speaker 1: It would it would be completely absurd.

1689
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,239
Speaker 2: Like Trump, Trump is one of those introduce He's one

1690
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:44,600
of those gimmicks. You know, there is there is a

1691
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,880
He's a gimmick. And so of course it makes sense

1692
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,800
that he's got room under the tent for these half

1693
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:54,239
gimmick things, because that's that's how he became a bajillionaire.

1694
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: I know, and and again but but but what I'm

1695
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,039
what I'm saying though, is that it this because I'm again,

1696
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:05,000
I just keep thinking of so many people who I'm

1697
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:08,760
friends with who have posted things who are like, how

1698
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,520
can people feel this way about about this this this

1699
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:18,720
this you know, awful human band? And it's like, because

1700
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,159
I don't feel that way. For Terry Blea Wolverine isn't

1701
01:31:21,159 --> 01:31:24,439
gonna get caught on a wire tap, making Slight have

1702
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,720
to worry about it exactly, you know, don't get to

1703
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,800
have that. You're not going to catch Batman on a

1704
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,319
fucking sex tape, all right, Batman's not gonna sue Gawker,

1705
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,399
you know, like like this, this is and and and

1706
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:47,319
so it's just it's it's it's so it's so bizarre

1707
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,920
and it's so crazy. Like all the wrestlers have done

1708
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:52,760
fucked up ship. You know, this is the one that

1709
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,119
just you can't you can't get around it. You know,

1710
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:56,760
you can't like no, you know what I mean, you

1711
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:00,199
can't not bring it up. We can't talk around it. No, No,

1712
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:02,359
all these other you know, not all of these, but

1713
01:32:02,399 --> 01:32:04,279
there's so many wrestlers. There's so much fucked up shit.

1714
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,600
Speaker 2: Like you could lay out the fact pattern of like

1715
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,800
Savage and Liz in a way where you're like whoa

1716
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,279
or like Savagen of course his relationship with Stephanie Beller's

1717
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,199
Gorge George and the taping her and stuff. You this

1718
01:32:16,279 --> 01:32:19,520
was just about any carne motherfucker. Really, It's just that

1719
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:20,960
Hogan had a wire tap.

1720
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, his is just a key.

1721
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,199
Speaker 2: We can't have nice things because Hull Cogan should have

1722
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:30,760
been something we could take to the grave. Yeah, just

1723
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:36,680
like Superman, Spider Man anything like that. But whatever, No, Gareth, Gareth,

1724
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,479
Gareth went out there. Gareth was watching as Hull Cogan

1725
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:40,159
came out in the UK.

1726
01:32:41,399 --> 01:32:46,239
Speaker 1: Yep, yes he was. Uh, here we go. So I

1727
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:49,720
kidding in Uh, finally, in my late twenties, I was

1728
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,640
expecting what I'd seen hundreds of thousands of American and

1729
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,600
Canadian kids being able to do with huge envy. At

1730
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,479
the time, the match or any star rating was inconsequential.

1731
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:03,680
The fact was that I'd finally seen Hulk Hogan wrestle.

1732
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,039
A year later, the Big Man was back for TV taping,

1733
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:09,800
even showing up for a meet and greet, which allowed

1734
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,880
me to briefly shake Hogan's absolutely massive hand and get

1735
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:17,840
a photo taken with the icon. I had no idea

1736
01:33:18,199 --> 01:33:23,000
at the time that this was his last match. Why

1737
01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:25,319
would it be, Why would it be in a six

1738
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,359
man tag in front of forty two hundred fans and

1739
01:33:28,399 --> 01:33:31,960
a house show in England. Surely TNA or even WWE

1740
01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:36,079
would promote one final match, but as the year years

1741
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:41,319
wore on, it became clear that this wouldn't happen. Fast

1742
01:33:41,319 --> 01:33:45,039
forward to twenty twenty five probably speaks volumes about his

1743
01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:48,920
chaotic private life that my first thought upon reading the

1744
01:33:49,159 --> 01:33:53,159
initial reports of Hulk Hogan's death were, Oh, this is more,

1745
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:58,319
This is more Bubba the love sponge bullshit. When I

1746
01:33:58,359 --> 01:34:02,920
saw the w B tweeted, it hit home and my

1747
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,199
first thought was just sadness. Sadness about how the greatest

1748
01:34:06,279 --> 01:34:09,960
career in wrestling had disintegrated to him being booed in

1749
01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:13,239
his last w B appearance, how his family unit had

1750
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:16,520
been ripped apart, and his well, I would say, he'll

1751
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,720
he allowed it to be ripped it apart. Yeah, yeah,

1752
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:21,920
I mean, you know, like his infidelity. It was a

1753
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,680
big thing here, folks. It wasn't just that it was

1754
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,920
ripped apart. He did a he was a I'm not

1755
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,079
saying he was completely at fault, but he had a

1756
01:34:29,239 --> 01:34:33,600
big fucking part in it, big fucking part. And his

1757
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,920
death being subject to joy and ridicule by a large

1758
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,960
chunk of your wrestling twitterati. I found a lot of

1759
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,560
the reaction to be largely dependent on age and when

1760
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:47,520
you were a fan. Absolutely, of course, absolutely, that's of course,

1761
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:49,680
you know, if you don't, if you didn't grow up

1762
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:51,359
with him, of course why would you.

1763
01:34:51,399 --> 01:34:53,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't have anything to lose by saying

1764
01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:55,399
fuck that guy, if you don't have any like personal

1765
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,039
conflict like that, of course it's easy to say that

1766
01:34:58,079 --> 01:35:00,359
guy sucks, Like, shut the fuck up, right, You don't

1767
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,600
have to, you don't have to deal with the fact that,

1768
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,239
like he was so formational, you.

1769
01:35:05,279 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Know, right right, get it, Crispin Juan Guerrero for example,

1770
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,239
or most of those, most of those hailed as the

1771
01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:18,560
best technical wrestlers never did anything for me. I've never

1772
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,279
really cared about match quality, and I've always been more

1773
01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:24,159
interested in all the bullshit surrounding the actual in ring

1774
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:28,199
action as a kid. To this day, I find matches

1775
01:35:28,279 --> 01:35:30,359
longer than ten minutes without a major story to be

1776
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:35,399
a chore to watch. So with my taste firmly matching

1777
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,680
what hul Comania offered, I wouldn't have become a wrestling

1778
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:44,359
fan at all. Were it not for Hulk Hogan. Clearly,

1779
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,000
Terry Bulay the man was a different matter. His usual

1780
01:35:48,319 --> 01:35:51,600
humorous and sometimes problematic lies were beyond even what you'd

1781
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,520
expect from a jock who spent twenty five years hammering

1782
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,039
cocaine and steroids and having his brain battered three hundred

1783
01:35:58,079 --> 01:36:02,640
days a year. Also held racist views and was caught

1784
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:05,920
on tape making comments that couldn't be construed as anything else.

1785
01:36:07,279 --> 01:36:10,600
But forgive me if I'm not shocked that an academicallylimited

1786
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,760
man from Florida who grew up during the late sixties

1787
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,760
and early seventies held personal views that I wouldn't agree

1788
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,880
with and would consider distasteful. His views, or most of

1789
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,039
his values, couldn't be further from mine, and at hazard

1790
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:27,359
that these particular comments were probably tame compared to anything

1791
01:36:29,319 --> 01:36:31,399
we'd have heard in the w W dressing room during

1792
01:36:31,399 --> 01:36:35,119
the nineteen eighties. Yet even Brett Hard has gone on record,

1793
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,640
as have dozens of others, on how great he was

1794
01:36:38,119 --> 01:36:41,199
with Make a Wish kids and kids wanting autographs, usually

1795
01:36:41,279 --> 01:36:45,439
going well beyond the call of duty. At least he

1796
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,319
didn't go beyond the call of duchie. That'd be a

1797
01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:51,920
little worse and while his mantra wasn't backed up by

1798
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,079
his personal actions, I'd like to think that they had

1799
01:36:55,159 --> 01:36:58,439
some sort of positive positive impact on millions upon millions

1800
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,840
of children growing up in the nineteen eighties in nineteen nineties,

1801
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,520
due to his sheer celebrity, he was and will always

1802
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,880
be held under the microscope to a degree that his

1803
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:11,399
contemporary He's probably managed to escape. A deeply complicated man

1804
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,239
in figure, but worthy of a nuanced look back in

1805
01:37:14,279 --> 01:37:17,439
the fashion that I know that only the lapsed universe can.

1806
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,199
There are millions of forty to fifty year olds who,

1807
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,640
deep inside their younger selves, are more than a little sad.

1808
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,800
Since the twenty fourth of July, thank you co Chairs

1809
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:32,960
for the memories, thank you for the inspiration, and thank

1810
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,159
you for Hull Commania. That's wonderful, one of the best emails.

1811
01:37:36,199 --> 01:37:39,119
Thank you ever. That right there is the best ever.

1812
01:37:40,319 --> 01:37:41,039
That says it all.

1813
01:37:41,319 --> 01:37:43,079
Speaker 2: And to have been there for that last match they

1814
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:45,159
didn't realize it was the last match is so befitting a.

1815
01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 1: Whole only only forty two hundred people, Well for TNA,

1816
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,920
that's double their highest No I know, but I'm saying

1817
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,479
like there are They're like, that's a handful of people, Like,

1818
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,000
can you think about all the people who've seen Hulk Hogan, Like,

1819
01:37:57,159 --> 01:37:59,920
not many people were there. It's a it's an elite

1820
01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:04,000
group who were there for Hulk Hogan's final match. And

1821
01:38:04,079 --> 01:38:05,880
I like that nuance he pointed out, which I don't

1822
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:07,920
think I ever appreciated, which was that people came to

1823
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,159
the arena knowing that Hulk Hogan was there. He was

1824
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:13,199
advertised as appearing, but everyone came and expecting an interview

1825
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:15,319
segment or some kind of angle, and so you don't

1826
01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:16,880
see him the whole show. That's part of why it

1827
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:18,439
gets such a big pop when he comes out, because

1828
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,760
that clip is out there. It's like fancam though, because

1829
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,000
it wasn't a TV taping When he gets such a

1830
01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:26,479
massive pop, Eye the Tiger, it's Gareth points out, it's

1831
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:29,079
because people had gone all night not seeing Hulk and thought, well,

1832
01:38:29,079 --> 01:38:32,159
maybe he's not gonna show. Yeah, right, and then here

1833
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:33,720
he comes and it ends up being a match. And

1834
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:35,319
I'm sure in his head, we'll do this a couple

1835
01:38:35,399 --> 01:38:37,479
more times, three more times. If I feel up to it,

1836
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:40,359
I'll just go out there and what part of a match?

1837
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,960
How many times he fucking said I'm getting murdered for Wrestlmania.

1838
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:44,960
Brother around, well he is.

1839
01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:48,319
Speaker 2: He's never gonna close that door because he doesn't know

1840
01:38:48,359 --> 01:38:50,199
what kind of check Vince is going to dangle. We

1841
01:38:50,279 --> 01:38:52,199
spent a lot of time during the teenage journey getting

1842
01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:54,079
into something that isn't really talked about enough, and he

1843
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:57,039
talks a lot about it during his Laser Spine lawsuit

1844
01:38:57,159 --> 01:39:00,399
deposition about how Vince was making serious offer for him

1845
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,960
to come in and wrestle John Cena in like two

1846
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,479
thousand and what six maybe or seven or eight. Yeah, Yeah,

1847
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,880
there was there was serious son treaties about doing that.

1848
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:11,800
It was part of the leverage he had to get

1849
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,399
a good deal out of TNA, was that Vince was

1850
01:39:13,399 --> 01:39:16,000
still actively interested in putting him in the ring against

1851
01:39:16,079 --> 01:39:19,319
John Cena for a big WrestleMania event. You know, Vince

1852
01:39:19,319 --> 01:39:22,640
has always been so fixated on this idea of Hulk

1853
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,439
being the Babe Ruth character that you know, but he's

1854
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,439
a living Babe Ruth. He's not just the Babe Ruth.

1855
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:31,199
He also someone that occasionally, right, I know, I know,

1856
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:33,359
but Vince saw this vision of him as a guy

1857
01:39:33,359 --> 01:39:36,239
who occasionally would actually show up and play for the Yankees.

1858
01:39:36,359 --> 01:39:39,600
You know once a year, right, and how great could

1859
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,199
that be? While also limiting the way.

1860
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: You imagine if that was a thing in baseball, like

1861
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,359
legends should come back for like one goal ted Ted

1862
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:47,920
Williams is chirogenically preserved.

1863
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,359
Speaker 2: Maybe that's true. Maybe one day we'll see it. You'll

1864
01:39:50,399 --> 01:39:54,279
walk back out there. Travis writes, Hey, boys, When I

1865
01:39:54,319 --> 01:39:56,159
think of my discovery of the Holkstore as a child

1866
01:39:56,279 --> 01:39:57,760
and the magic of being a little kid trying to

1867
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:59,399
figure out when I could ever actually see this man

1868
01:39:59,399 --> 01:40:02,560
wrestle on TEA, one show comes to mind Saturday Night's

1869
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:07,279
main event. There were thirty thirty Saturday Nights main events

1870
01:40:07,279 --> 01:40:09,600
in the Hull Comania era. Hulk wrestle on twenty six

1871
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:10,000
of them.

1872
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:11,520
Speaker 1: Yes, you didn't wait.

1873
01:40:11,399 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 2: To see what you guys come up with, whatever it

1874
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,600
may be. Yeah, that's gonna be a tough one. We've

1875
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,039
spent a lot of time talking about how we dress

1876
01:40:17,079 --> 01:40:19,399
Saturday Night's main event as part of what will come

1877
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,720
to be called the Complete hulll Cogan. I think you

1878
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,720
can expect us to definitely touch on them as we go,

1879
01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:27,319
but we also don't really want to do a Saturday

1880
01:40:27,399 --> 01:40:29,439
Night's main event journey and call it a tribute to

1881
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,279
Hulk Hogan, which.

1882
01:40:31,159 --> 01:40:34,399
Speaker 1: It would be, I mean, would also be here for

1883
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:38,560
like another decade, like the next decade of TLF, would

1884
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:39,119
be all all.

1885
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 2: The reasons to elongate this. That would be a pretty

1886
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,720
weak one. But we'll talk about and watch the matches,

1887
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,119
you know. The balance we want to strike is the

1888
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:50,319
way we did Lapsed Funk, where we watch key moments

1889
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,520
as they go, but we don't ever do an entire

1890
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:58,119
event really and traditional TLF, where entire events is what

1891
01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:01,000
you want, you know, and we can do both with Helkovin,

1892
01:41:01,279 --> 01:41:03,880
we can do both. And so just because we talk

1893
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:05,720
about a Saturday Nights main event that Hulk cogn main

1894
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,600
event and perhaps even watch said match, doesn't mean we

1895
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,399
covered that whole Saturday Night's main event and that therefore

1896
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,520
it will never never be eligible for Deep Divage at

1897
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,760
some other point. So that's what I'd say, and that

1898
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,560
won't be the case for everyone, But we'll be very

1899
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:22,600
selective around Saturday's main event, Clash of the Champions, you know,

1900
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,199
things that he did that were big and memorable, But

1901
01:41:25,279 --> 01:41:29,279
at the same time, it just adds so many more

1902
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,560
potential events to the Deep Dive list again top ten

1903
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:34,159
and if you want to put a Saturday Night's main

1904
01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:36,399
event on there be my guest, because like I said,

1905
01:41:37,039 --> 01:41:39,640
we won't deep dive any of them. I know what

1906
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:41,800
Saturday Nights Made events are on my short list. If

1907
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,319
we were to go hull Hog, I think we all

1908
01:41:43,359 --> 01:41:46,479
do yes. Jojosmanios, thank you very much for your pledge.

1909
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:51,359
Welcome into the Solar system. We deeply appreciate your patronage

1910
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,199
and support. Noe, thanks very much for bumping up to

1911
01:41:54,239 --> 01:41:58,840
that mote tier. Presumably get a taste to that faithful call. Jordan,

1912
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:01,600
thank you very much for joining in the VIP tier.

1913
01:42:02,119 --> 01:42:04,600
Tony writes, greetings co chairs, A longtime fan, and I

1914
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,920
just heard you're taking ideas for the Hogan tribute, So

1915
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:08,880
I'm just gonna spitball some stuff. You guys have done

1916
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,159
such a thorough job covering Hogan's in ring and movie career,

1917
01:42:11,319 --> 01:42:14,079
but you haven't covered the Hulk Cogan and the wrestling Bootman.

1918
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:19,039
Speaker 1: We did a little bit, but I guess we haven't

1919
01:42:19,319 --> 01:42:20,760
called him the fucking full CD.

1920
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 2: This shit is truly horrible. He says he did this

1921
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:24,920
with Julie Hart and it's the worst shit you've ever

1922
01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:27,039
listened to, And that's just one song.

1923
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:29,279
Speaker 1: Other ideas a.

1924
01:42:29,279 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 2: Lapsed funeral the universe of Laps characters Hey now, oh,

1925
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:35,720
Saint Editor at the Gate laps To Hogan gets to

1926
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,920
the Pearly Gates, but is greeted by the lapsed editor,

1927
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:39,760
who rolls him up from behind for the one two

1928
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:43,399
three Wow Wow Heaven doesn't work for me. Brother laps To.

1929
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:45,439
Hogan makes it to Heaven, but immediately throws a fit

1930
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:48,439
when he goes into God's Lapsed Fritz office and sees

1931
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:50,199
he's been booked to lose to David von Eirek. He

1932
01:42:50,319 --> 01:42:52,640
refuses to do the job and insists on invoking his

1933
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:56,000
creative control clause. God Lapsed Fritz reminds Hogan that he

1934
01:42:56,079 --> 01:42:58,520
sent his boy to die for our sins, so Hogan

1935
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:03,720
has to job. After all, Heavy needed a champion. How

1936
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,119
might that sound, Boss? As far as Fritz go, Oh God.

1937
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 1: Sunday, August third, at noon, the Lapse fan take go ahead.

1938
01:43:14,399 --> 01:43:17,399
I just want to say, and my boy, I shut

1939
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:21,119
my boy down. He died for our sins. He lived

1940
01:43:21,359 --> 01:43:24,720
seventy five years and twenty five and I think it's

1941
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,560
time you do the job. I'm in the year sad

1942
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:30,039
Hope live in seventy one. Fritz, Betsy, I think you

1943
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:33,119
lived twenty five years and seventy one, so it works

1944
01:43:33,159 --> 01:43:35,960
in reverse order. I see, I thought I thought he

1945
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:39,439
would lived one hundred and forty some days years. Well, brother,

1946
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,880
I just want to say, dude, I understand where you're

1947
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:42,319
coming from.

1948
01:43:42,399 --> 01:43:42,600
Speaker 5: Brother.

1949
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 1: I want to just kind of like get on the

1950
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,199
same page with the big man upstairs, dude. But here's

1951
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:50,000
where I'm thinking, Brother. What I'm not digging, dude, is

1952
01:43:50,079 --> 01:43:52,680
this kind of you know, like we're talking about who's

1953
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,000
going over who's so I just want to know. So

1954
01:43:56,199 --> 01:43:58,159
what I have, brother. You know what I kind of

1955
01:43:58,199 --> 01:44:00,159
agreed upon, dude, and I could have sworn the you

1956
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:02,600
know you signed this with me, brother, but that it

1957
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,319
was for a long time dude, that when the time

1958
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,319
came where Hule Cogan was going to kind of make

1959
01:44:07,399 --> 01:44:11,079
that big trip upstairs, Dude, I have this contract signed

1960
01:44:11,079 --> 01:44:15,960
by the by the good, by the Holy Father Almighty brother,

1961
01:44:16,119 --> 01:44:18,800
saying that I do have creative control over anything that

1962
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:23,319
goes on in heaven. So let's kind of get on

1963
01:44:23,359 --> 01:44:24,800
the same page too, because I'm not going to play

1964
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,720
hide the ball anymore with the big Man.

1965
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:35,239
Speaker 2: Brother Contiac Heaven Dome, laps Tope Lapstoken reunites with laps

1966
01:44:35,319 --> 01:44:38,439
Andre for Heaven Mania three, but this time laps Andre

1967
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:41,319
gets to slam Lapstog and his laps Tooken does the job.

1968
01:44:41,359 --> 01:44:44,039
He finally finds peace in putting someone else over. Love

1969
01:44:44,079 --> 01:44:44,640
you guys, love this.

1970
01:44:45,039 --> 01:44:48,319
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen that that that would be that right there?

1971
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:53,199
If if if if? That would be hull Cogan's version

1972
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:57,119
of hell is having to lose to everybody over and

1973
01:44:57,159 --> 01:45:02,439
over and over again. That's that's that's his version of

1974
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:04,399
l How many AI images did we get of him

1975
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,680
covering Yokozuna in Heaven? Yeah? Well what about the inverse?

1976
01:45:08,039 --> 01:45:12,199
Read everyone he put out he gets their win back. CJ.

1977
01:45:12,319 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 2: Want to thank you very much for bumping up to

1978
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:18,199
the MOTE tier. We very much appreciate that. Great to

1979
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:21,359
see Tom going to be joining us. Several Toms actually

1980
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:25,880
are going to be joining us coming up in New York,

1981
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:28,960
so we appreciate that. Ao t D thank you very

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01:45:29,039 --> 01:45:30,439
much for joining the VIP tier.

1983
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Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

1984
01:45:32,199 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 2: Ness or Aka Sam writes to us here a relative

1985
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:42,319
to hul Cogan as seen as he writes here by

1986
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:45,039
a two thousands kid. There's a perspective you don't get

1987
01:45:45,079 --> 01:45:48,439
on too often, so Boss, if you could please regale

1988
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:49,119
the solar system.

1989
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:55,119
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, I've been a fan since discovering your show

1990
01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:57,359
in twenty fourteen on Reddit during the Mania Journey, but

1991
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,680
have never written in. But with the death of the

1992
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,600
most famous wrestler ever to live, as well as the

1993
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:06,600
possibly the main protagonist of the lapsed fan these eleven years,

1994
01:46:07,079 --> 01:46:09,720
I just have to send something in. I was born

1995
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:12,560
in nineteen ninety nine, well past the glory days of Jocomania,

1996
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,319
and I became a fan in early two thousand and five,

1997
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,680
around the time Batista I turned on Triple H and

1998
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,520
began his hunt for the world title. It was in

1999
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,800
this fateful year of two thousand and five where I

2000
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,960
was infected with the curse of wrestling fandom. That he

2001
01:46:27,039 --> 01:46:30,520
was born in nine ninety nine, even a fan since

2002
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,560
he was fifteen years old of our show. That's something

2003
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,479
I don't think about this. I don't people that got

2004
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:39,479
into our show when they were kind of like teenagers,

2005
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:43,560
not even late barely high school, barely high school. That's bizarre,

2006
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,279
that's wild. I need to know more about that. Honestly,

2007
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:52,640
I was infected with the curse of Wrestling phantom that

2008
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:55,159
Hulk Hogan came onto my radar for the first time.

2009
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,279
Most people would probably point to Hogan Knows Best or

2010
01:46:58,359 --> 01:47:00,560
his program with Hbka as to what might make a

2011
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:02,600
new fan to take notice of Hogan in two thousand

2012
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,199
and five. That's a weird thing to think about, too.

2013
01:47:05,359 --> 01:47:08,560
What's that the idea that you're not that you've never

2014
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:12,920
really someone his age, never seen Hull Cogan, and you

2015
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,399
get introduced to Hull Cogan via his reality show. It's

2016
01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:19,920
fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's it's it's it's perverse.

2017
01:47:20,079 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 2: One of the key realizations we had during Bash at

2018
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:25,079
the Peach ninety four was like you said, whole Cogan

2019
01:47:25,159 --> 01:47:27,439
really to you, in terms of when you became a

2020
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:30,359
fan ninety one, is more of a WCW wrestler than a.

2021
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 1: W W exactly that that that's that is so true.

2022
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:36,640
That is so unbelievable. It's weird, you know, Like I

2023
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:40,439
always I equate so much more with him in w CW,

2024
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:43,039
so so far to for for this guy, for Sam,

2025
01:47:44,199 --> 01:47:47,960
he equates the reality show guy. Yeah, that's just that's wild,

2026
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,600
you know, and that's so so wacky. I mean, it's

2027
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,840
the same thing with with people. It's it's it's hard

2028
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:59,039
to think about the fact that that that John Seen

2029
01:47:59,079 --> 01:48:04,119
has been wrestling so long that people who were like

2030
01:48:04,199 --> 01:48:05,920
the kids who were fans of him when everyone was

2031
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:09,479
booing him are adults today. God, Like, that's the thing,

2032
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,840
Like you think about an eleven year old kid who

2033
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:15,920
was at WrestleMania twenty Wrestlming twenty three in Detroit, you

2034
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:19,239
know where I'm proclaiming, yes, you know, and they're agreeing

2035
01:48:19,279 --> 01:48:23,600
with me that you need see seven two thousand and seven.

2036
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,960
They're now twenty eight years old, twenty eight years on

2037
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,960
the pushing thirty right, So like, again, those are the

2038
01:48:32,119 --> 01:48:36,039
fans who are not booing John Cena now that he started. Hell,

2039
01:48:37,159 --> 01:48:39,199
they're the ones who didn't want to see a heel turn.

2040
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:43,319
I'm having trust some weird man in trouble with this. Yes, yes,

2041
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:46,119
it's a very it's it's really it's a hard thing

2042
01:48:46,279 --> 01:48:51,199
to fathom honestly, that you know, especially too when you

2043
01:48:51,279 --> 01:48:55,680
when you think about the fact that we were adults

2044
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:01,079
for the beginning of John Cena's career and now it's

2045
01:49:01,319 --> 01:49:06,720
twenty three years later, So that's just you know, there

2046
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:15,680
we are a little bit. Where was I there? Oh? Here?

2047
01:49:17,079 --> 01:49:19,760
Most people know Hogan's the best or his program with

2048
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,079
HBK as to what might make a new FanTac note

2049
01:49:22,079 --> 01:49:23,760
of vocal gum in two thousand and five. But what

2050
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:26,760
got me intrigued by the Hulkster was the SmackDown Versus

2051
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,880
Raw two thousand and six video game that came out

2052
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:31,319
at the end of the year. If you have ever

2053
01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:34,279
played that game I have, you might remember that, unlike

2054
01:49:34,319 --> 01:49:36,359
every other wrestler on the roster that only had one

2055
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:44,399
playable character model, Hogan had three different characters, those being

2056
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:51,720
nineteen eighties Hogan, Hollywood Hogan, and two thousands Hogan. To

2057
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:53,760
my six year old mind, the fact that Hogan had

2058
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,960
three characters in my favorite wrestling game while everyone else

2059
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,479
had only one automatically slatted him above everyone. Sure, it

2060
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:03,520
makes sense, and from that point on I figured out.

2061
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,279
I figured he must have been a god compared to

2062
01:50:06,359 --> 01:50:08,319
the rest of the mere mortals. He was, he was

2063
01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:12,680
im mortal. That childhood impression is stuck with me until

2064
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:15,439
I discovered your show. I lapsed in twenty ten after

2065
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:17,760
the retirement of Shawn Michaels and didn't think about wrestling

2066
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:21,520
again until twenty fourteen when I stumbled on the Squared

2067
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:24,640
Circle subridit, which is where I found you after someone

2068
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:28,239
posts about your interviews with Uncle Dave. It is this

2069
01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:31,800
unrelenting odyssey that you have taken us on for the

2070
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:35,279
past eleven years that has taken Hulkogan from being an

2071
01:50:35,279 --> 01:50:41,399
almighty being graced all my being, an almighty being that

2072
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,039
graced my PlayStation two and filled me with wonder at

2073
01:50:44,079 --> 01:50:48,079
the seemingly mythical world of wrestling before my birth, to

2074
01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:52,800
being little more than a living stuck even when he's

2075
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:56,720
at his peak, whether it's documenting him taking eighties pop

2076
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,560
culture by storm in the WrestleMania Journey documentary, his fight

2077
01:51:01,279 --> 01:51:04,039
to get back his ninety percent from Vernon the a Toba,

2078
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:08,119
his case making testimony in the trial of his life,

2079
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,439
the Bash two thousand, collision with Russo, the Cherry on

2080
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:14,479
the Hull Hogan shit Sunday that was TNH, or even

2081
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,720
a random show that he has nothing to do with.

2082
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This show has deconstructed and reconstructed the very idea of

2083
01:51:21,039 --> 01:51:24,479
Alkgogan correct. Despite it all, I can I can also

2084
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:27,000
say that I never would have gained whatever appreciation that

2085
01:51:27,079 --> 01:51:30,760
I do for the man without the cast your deep

2086
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,039
Dives or the Mania six match with Warrior, the Mania

2087
01:51:33,079 --> 01:51:36,079
eighteen match with Rock, the ninety six Bash Heel Turn,

2088
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:38,600
all the shows during the high water marks of the

2089
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:42,000
nWo really opened my eyes to the fact that Terry

2090
01:51:42,039 --> 01:51:46,000
Bella had other worldly abilities that we will likely never

2091
01:51:46,079 --> 01:51:50,159
see again in the world. A professional wrestling we can

2092
01:51:50,279 --> 01:51:54,359
be and we have been. Yep, that's right. Obviously, the

2093
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:57,600
last decade and a half hasn't been kind to the

2094
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:01,760
Hulkster with his many sordid adventures that were expertly and

2095
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:07,479
hilariously chronicled in TNH. But honestly, what can you expect. Artists,

2096
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:10,640
creative types, or entertainers throughout all of human history have

2097
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:15,000
constantly shown just about every negative and anti social, anti

2098
01:52:15,079 --> 01:52:18,039
social trait that you can imagine, And when you are

2099
01:52:18,079 --> 01:52:21,000
dealing with the dregs of the entertainment world that is

2100
01:52:21,039 --> 01:52:24,680
professional wrestling, I think you're fooling yourself to expect anything

2101
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:29,279
different from these guys. Professional wrestling, especially in the era

2102
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:31,960
that Hogan broke in but still to this day, is

2103
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:41,000
a business of lying, manipulation, bullying, scheming, drugs, and easy women.

2104
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:45,680
Oh correct, Oh, probably some easy men too. Let's not

2105
01:52:46,359 --> 01:52:49,079
you know, an easy non binary folks. Let's not just

2106
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:54,600
fuckingone's getting off everyone exactly. Listen, everyone's getting off, everyone's

2107
01:52:54,600 --> 01:53:02,119
getting laid, everyone's exactly. Everyone is just out for themselves,

2108
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:05,960
all wrapped up in a nomadic existence where you have

2109
01:53:06,119 --> 01:53:08,880
perfectly good reason to be in a different city or

2110
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:11,439
state from one night to the next. It should be

2111
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:15,640
no surprise to anyone that Hogan or many of the

2112
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:20,279
men of his ilk warrant exactly paragon. It's a virtue,

2113
01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:23,960
I guess. To try and wrap up my rambling, I

2114
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,560
can say that for Hull Cogan is many things to

2115
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:30,720
many people. He's an icon of the glory years of wrestling.

2116
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:33,600
He's probably responsible for more people becoming wrestling fans than

2117
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:36,920
any other wrestler ever. He was possibly the most charismatic

2118
01:53:37,039 --> 01:53:39,960
force ever in the business. He was maybe the greatest

2119
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:42,920
worker ever in his ability to push an issue and

2120
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:45,800
get people invested in his matches. He was selfish, he

2121
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,399
was self centered. He lied as easy as an normal

2122
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:51,880
person breathes. He was in many ways a piece of shit.

2123
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:53,600
But here at the end of his life, I think

2124
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:59,640
the answer for me is simply that Hull Cogan is

2125
01:54:00,319 --> 01:54:06,439
a joke that will never stop being funny. You're well

2126
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:11,279
right there. It's proof of what he said exactly yours

2127
01:54:11,319 --> 01:54:14,880
and lapsed, Sam PSU rest in peace, Ozzy. As a

2128
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:17,439
lifelong Black Sabbath fan, the news of his death ruined

2129
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,079
my week and really lessened the impact of Hogan's death

2130
01:54:20,119 --> 01:54:22,600
for me. Once he hears this, I'm sure Terry will

2131
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:24,079
be trying to get some of the heat back in

2132
01:54:24,119 --> 01:54:30,000
the afterlife. You brother, what why do you follow Hulk Hogan?

2133
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:37,479
Oz Izzy Yo Yo oz Izzy? Brother? What's going on? Dude?

2134
01:54:38,359 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 3: Brother?

2135
01:54:39,479 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 1: Dude? You know what? Brother?

2136
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 2: What?

2137
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:43,039
Speaker 1: What's it is? Dude? What do you do?

2138
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,199
Speaker 2: Because you came on before me and I went on

2139
01:54:45,399 --> 01:54:47,840
last at Wrestlingia to brother, we got to redo that

2140
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,079
in terms of our death. Brother, you get a count?

2141
01:54:50,359 --> 01:54:51,760
Why are you follow me up in the in the

2142
01:54:52,399 --> 01:54:55,199
the the Everlasting Life, Dude was going on the three

2143
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:57,840
which of the three sil cast locations did you die?

2144
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:01,039
Speaker 1: Your brother? Brother? Wait a minut it to you get

2145
01:55:01,039 --> 01:55:04,880
a name with Saint Peter. Brother, brother, brother, brother, you've

2146
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,640
been talking? What did you what happened to the gates?

2147
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 3: Brother?

2148
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 1: What did what happened? How did you get in here?

2149
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 3: Brother?

2150
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:17,399
Speaker 1: Who let you in? Saint Peter let you in? Dude? Mhm,

2151
01:55:20,279 --> 01:55:29,119
Ozzy is characteristic sign itself. Whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa Dude,

2152
01:55:29,159 --> 01:55:31,600
that's redonaldising back in, brother. I'm not trying to create

2153
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:33,880
any tension between you know, me and the is Oz brother.

2154
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:39,760
Pull the nose up on this thing, namely the coke

2155
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:47,439
table that you're on. Uh, Hogan and Ozzy Jordan, Ozzy

2156
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:50,720
and Hogan and Ozzie and Harry again, Ossie and Hogan Jordan.

2157
01:55:51,159 --> 01:55:52,079
Greetings co chairs.

2158
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 2: As Terry has died today, I'm sure you're formulating how

2159
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:59,079
you'll cover the event accordingly. Obviously, the vast majority of

2160
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:01,319
the important bits in his career have already been deep dived.

2161
01:56:01,359 --> 01:56:02,760
And I think you even said during the T and

2162
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:04,880
H journey how the entire life of DLF has in

2163
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:08,439
many ways been the Hull Cogan journey. In any event,

2164
01:56:08,439 --> 01:56:10,079
I look forward to whatever you come up with, and

2165
01:56:10,439 --> 01:56:12,359
decided to share some random thoughts that had come to

2166
01:56:12,399 --> 01:56:14,920
mind with his death. A quick preface. I never had

2167
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:17,680
the real nostalgia for fandom for the man, or fandom

2168
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:19,920
for the man. I started watching WWF as a kid

2169
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:22,000
around nineteen ninety nine, it was only vaguely aware of

2170
01:56:22,079 --> 01:56:24,399
him as a WCW guys video games. Is that you

2171
01:56:24,479 --> 01:56:28,039
can't you can't write, You don't other one don't you

2172
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:32,439
don't you don't you know? Being a fan in ninety

2173
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:35,840
nine does not do. Of course, I can understand why

2174
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:37,840
you would not be a fan. You can imagine Hogan

2175
01:56:38,119 --> 01:56:39,720
coming back out in The Red and Yellow Boss in

2176
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:41,920
the Fall of ninety nine on Nitro and a bunch

2177
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:45,159
of the audience being like, what is this? What am

2178
01:56:45,159 --> 01:56:47,760
I supposed to be excited about here? That the Hull

2179
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:49,359
Cogan wing these different colors?

2180
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,399
Speaker 1: Why are people caring about this?

2181
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 2: Da of him as a ww guy through video games?

2182
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:57,359
Since I didn't watch ww my first actual exposure to

2183
01:56:57,439 --> 01:56:58,920
Hull Cogan was in the two thousand and two run

2184
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:02,359
and never resonated much childhood me. I didn't dislike him

2185
01:57:02,359 --> 01:57:03,680
per se, but it just wasn't a character that I

2186
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:06,079
found particularly engaging twelve year old and me also thought

2187
01:57:06,119 --> 01:57:10,319
a leg drop was not the best. I lapsed around

2188
01:57:10,319 --> 01:57:12,039
two thousand and five oh six and really didn't think

2189
01:57:12,039 --> 01:57:14,399
about Hulk Hogan and wrestling broadly for many years. My

2190
01:57:14,479 --> 01:57:17,039
childhood fandom generally didn't involve any of the backstage gossip,

2191
01:57:17,079 --> 01:57:19,399
so I was unaware of Terry's fuckery until getting into

2192
01:57:19,399 --> 01:57:21,840
wrestling podcasts like your Own many years later. That also

2193
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:23,760
came around the same time as the Gawker trial and

2194
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,920
learning that Terry was a racist scumback. I appreciate TF

2195
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,319
over the years trying to crystallize why Hogan was the

2196
01:57:29,399 --> 01:57:32,760
critical success he was, while also lampooning the man appropriately

2197
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:35,479
for the absolute ghoul that Terry Bolla was. It has

2198
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,680
been interesting seeing much of the Internet shitting on Terry

2199
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:40,199
in the wake of his death. Another thing TLF has

2200
01:57:40,199 --> 01:57:42,239
done over the years is show how wrestling is often

2201
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:44,840
a microcosm of society, especially in the United States in

2202
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:47,439
the last few years in particular, been impossible to ignore

2203
01:57:47,720 --> 01:57:50,279
how much of the social contract he writes of society

2204
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:53,560
is torn is actually its own form of k fabe.

2205
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:56,920
People are expected to fill a role society is to

2206
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:58,880
find for them, and are expected not to think, only

2207
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:02,399
to happily consume. The biggest possible social misstep often seems

2208
01:58:02,439 --> 01:58:04,079
to be that if you dare break the cafe bellution

2209
01:58:04,199 --> 01:58:07,479
and call shenanigans on the actual often pitiful state of affairs.

2210
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:08,159
Speaker 1: But I digress.

2211
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 2: My final thoughts on Terry. It is fitting that those

2212
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,840
few left who still lionize him view themselves, and by extension,

2213
01:58:14,359 --> 01:58:17,680
their idolized version of America as the nineteen eighties Hull

2214
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:21,520
cogin character as the valiant good guy, strong, righteous, courageous,

2215
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:24,479
standing up for the greater good. Sad reality is, though

2216
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:27,239
those few lefts still lionizing him seem to actually very

2217
01:58:27,319 --> 01:58:32,680
much have the same character as actual Terry bo lea dishonest, conniving, hateful, bigoted, cowardly,

2218
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:36,800
ultimately pathetic. Sadly, America's actual values and action seem to

2219
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,840
mirror Terry bo Lea far more than they mirror the

2220
01:58:38,920 --> 01:58:41,920
Hull coke and heroic ideal. I look forward to whatever

2221
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:43,560
you guys come up with. It is hard to believe

2222
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:45,359
there is much more to uncover about Terry than you

2223
01:58:45,399 --> 01:58:47,359
guys have already touched on, but I know the cast

2224
01:58:47,479 --> 01:58:50,600
usually finds a way to on earth new truths. Jordan, Well, thanks,

2225
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:52,199
I wouldn't say there is a lot to unearthed. I

2226
01:58:52,199 --> 01:58:55,279
don't think that's what we're about now on this one. No, No,

2227
01:58:55,399 --> 01:58:57,319
this one's just about saying what needs to Be said,

2228
01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:04,000
this one's about appreciation a critical assessment as much as

2229
01:59:04,039 --> 01:59:05,680
it is about you know, we've we've spent a lot

2230
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:07,640
of time talking about Terry Bolea. It might be time

2231
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:10,119
now to just talk about whole COVID, just saying we've

2232
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:13,239
earned that, right, Yeah, Nicholas Newbe, thanks very much for

2233
01:59:13,319 --> 01:59:15,800
doubling ear pledge. We appreciate that and hope you enjoy

2234
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:19,399
all the benefits that you're entitled to. Caleb Bright's doer

2235
01:59:19,439 --> 01:59:22,159
Co Chairs. This is my first email, long overdue. I

2236
01:59:22,239 --> 01:59:24,079
became a fan of TLF in twenty twenty one when

2237
01:59:24,079 --> 01:59:26,800
I stumbled across the Crispno episode. I thought it was

2238
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:28,840
in for a grim true crime deep dive. What I

2239
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:31,800
got with something else, entirely a mad, brilliant dissection of

2240
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,119
the business that instantly hooked me and never let go.

2241
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:37,079
I know you're both Hasbro kids. I was born in

2242
01:59:37,159 --> 01:59:39,560
ninety one, no pay per view, no rented wrestling tapes,

2243
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:42,279
just broadcast TV until two thousand. For me, wrestling with

2244
01:59:42,319 --> 01:59:46,279
something you found, Yeah, I have memories of shotgun Saturday Night,

2245
01:59:46,479 --> 01:59:48,560
WCW Saturday Night, maybe even a foggy glimpse.

2246
01:59:49,359 --> 01:59:51,279
Speaker 1: I can agree with that, though, I can. I can

2247
01:59:51,359 --> 01:59:53,479
identify with that, because that's how it was for me too. Yes,

2248
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:56,319
it was like up until I started, until up until

2249
01:59:56,439 --> 02:00:04,079
that fateful Sunday after Survivor's SERI and before Tuesday and Texas.

2250
02:00:05,039 --> 02:00:07,239
I I it was something that I found. I didn't

2251
02:00:07,479 --> 02:00:11,159
I didn't seek it out all the time. I found it,

2252
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:16,399
and I I that that that was it. I founded

2253
02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:19,840
several times and just didn't continue to watch until that

2254
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:22,359
one that one time. Yeah, that's a good point.

2255
02:00:23,359 --> 02:00:57,159
Speaker 5: The fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the

2256
02:00:57,239 --> 02:01:33,000
boys need their candy. It's the laps Fan. He's an

2257
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:38,000
lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn Seo MJP Soro.

2258
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:40,960
Speaker 2: I have memories of shot etcetera. Okay, and maybe even

2259
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,439
a foggy glimpse of VCW airing on some cursed local

2260
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:45,439
channel at one am. I couldn't tell you what year,

2261
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:48,560
what channel, only that it felt like forbidden magic. I

2262
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:51,119
became a diehard when SmackDown hit UPN and once we

2263
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:52,800
got satellite in two thousand, it was over.

2264
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:53,479
Speaker 1: I was in.

2265
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:55,479
Speaker 2: I lived at the tail end of the attitude Ura

2266
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:57,760
and beyond. Like many in the Solar System, I eventually

2267
02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:00,399
became lapsed for me. It was when WWE fumbled the

2268
02:02:00,439 --> 02:02:02,960
Nexus angle. I came back for sparks Punk pulled me

2269
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:04,680
in with the pipe bomb, only for them to blow

2270
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:07,319
that too. Anyway, I digress. I know the POD's been

2271
02:02:07,399 --> 02:02:09,279
running since twenty fourteen. I know you've covered a lot

2272
02:02:09,319 --> 02:02:11,760
of Hogan, but let's be real. You are both better

2273
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:14,560
now than you've ever been. The craft is sharper, the

2274
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:18,760
perspective richer. There's more information now, more hindsight, more meat

2275
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:21,199
on the bone than ever before. The time is right.

2276
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:24,399
And I'm just gonna say it. If Sabu qualified for

2277
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:28,319
a journey, and by God, I'll cook and qualifies, don't

2278
02:02:28,359 --> 02:02:30,680
be bitches, he writes. This is the journey to end

2279
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:33,479
all journeys, the big one, the main event, the final boss,

2280
02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:36,079
and if I may the last fan may be just

2281
02:02:36,119 --> 02:02:38,359
a tiny little podcast, but if you inject some hull

2282
02:02:38,399 --> 02:02:40,439
cog and rocket fuel into this thing, if you ride

2283
02:02:40,439 --> 02:02:44,359
the lightning bolt of Hulkelemania, I truly believe you can

2284
02:02:44,399 --> 02:02:46,760
pull the nose up. This is the pivot, the resurrection,

2285
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:50,479
the one that gets us back on track.

2286
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 1: Good. So don't hide the ball, don't act like we've

2287
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:57,800
heard it all because we haven't. Not like this. This

2288
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,239
isn't the journey we want. This is the journey we

2289
02:03:00,359 --> 02:03:02,640
fucking need and only you two can do it.

2290
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:03,079
Speaker 3: Justice.

2291
02:03:03,479 --> 02:03:08,319
Speaker 1: Do it for the Solar System, do it for whole Comania. Oh,

2292
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:10,520
they do it for the Rock.

2293
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:15,319
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure do it for He'll be listening. I

2294
02:03:15,359 --> 02:03:18,039
did note in his Instagram story reflecting on WrestleMania eighteen

2295
02:03:18,039 --> 02:03:20,159
after Hulk COVID's passing that Rock was sure to refer

2296
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:22,199
to his match with Hulk as the main event of

2297
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:25,800
WrestleMania eighteen. Nice fuck you to Triple H. Yeah right

2298
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:27,960
at Triple H, by the way, who insisted on narrating

2299
02:03:28,039 --> 02:03:31,119
and voicing over the Hull Co contribute package on SmackDown.

2300
02:03:31,159 --> 02:03:33,439
Speaker 1: Like, well, you know it's Triple H. After all, Triple

2301
02:03:33,479 --> 02:03:34,039
A and Triple H.

2302
02:03:34,079 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 2: It's the only guy talking on the stage when they're

2303
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:37,439
all standing out there for the ten bell salute.

2304
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:41,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god. He's such a fucking egomaniac. It's like,

2305
02:03:42,439 --> 02:03:49,119
it's really it's it's really pathetic. You know the insecurity

2306
02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:54,159
is there, man? Yeah, like you know it it it

2307
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,680
used to be. I mean, at least it's not obviously

2308
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:04,199
as it's that's the thing. It's when when when it

2309
02:04:04,359 --> 02:04:07,640
was happening, you know, in the early two thousands, it

2310
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:14,720
was infuriating because he was ruining everybody who had possibility, correct, right,

2311
02:04:14,920 --> 02:04:17,720
everybody who had possibility was stuck.

2312
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:19,880
Speaker 2: In this ultra art and this guy is going to rise,

2313
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:22,000
maybe he'll be the guy to excite us, and then

2314
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:22,920
Triple H beats.

2315
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:25,640
Speaker 1: Him, right, and and then he they become he becomes

2316
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:28,199
the guy that excites us and we're ready for it,

2317
02:04:28,399 --> 02:04:30,960
and he ruins it by beating you know. It just

2318
02:04:31,319 --> 02:04:36,199
was so so awful. But now now that here he is,

2319
02:04:36,399 --> 02:04:40,640
he's you know, I want to just he's the boss,

2320
02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:45,560
all right. I'm just gonna he's the boss. And it's

2321
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:47,560
like you don't need to do that anymore, Like you

2322
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:49,520
don't need to be the center of attention, you don't

2323
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:51,319
need to be up there, So what are you doing?

2324
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:55,399
And he's just it's just pathetic. It says it is pathetic.

2325
02:04:55,439 --> 02:04:55,920
I agree.

2326
02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:59,039
Speaker 2: I agree that there might be some like you know,

2327
02:05:00,039 --> 02:05:03,399
and strategy as far as like let me continue to

2328
02:05:03,439 --> 02:05:05,319
be the cafe boss to the fans so that they

2329
02:05:05,359 --> 02:05:08,680
want me around, and there's never like a movement to

2330
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:10,159
try to get rid of me and unseat me, but

2331
02:05:10,600 --> 02:05:15,800
insisting on being in every wrestle Mania commercial and the

2332
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,359
curtain drops on the first Netflix, like, we don't need that,

2333
02:05:19,119 --> 02:05:22,359
we don't need you like reminding us that you had

2334
02:05:22,439 --> 02:05:24,800
something to do with this. You know, just let it play.

2335
02:05:25,239 --> 02:05:28,520
Yeah it be I know, And he's sometimes really good

2336
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:30,880
about that, but other times it's just so sad. You

2337
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:33,359
just you wonder, like, you know, if he's just constantly

2338
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:35,920
just looking over his shoulder about Dwayne, and you know

2339
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:38,039
what I mean, he'll take any opportunity to get in

2340
02:05:38,079 --> 02:05:39,199
front of the bar, tell.

2341
02:05:39,079 --> 02:05:42,119
Speaker 1: Them, well, I said, you can always lod your shoulder, brother,

2342
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:43,560
because you know who's coming with from behind.

2343
02:05:44,439 --> 02:05:48,199
Speaker 2: That's the legacy health leaves right Ross Hamrick, thank you

2344
02:05:48,279 --> 02:05:50,159
very much for your pledge. Welcome into the solar system,

2345
02:05:50,199 --> 02:05:52,720
Bryce writes, the day of the patron Saint of Hoof Dies,

2346
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:54,800
I pay my tithes to the co chairs, to bump

2347
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:57,199
my ass to the fucking moat, tear to stand vigil

2348
02:05:57,239 --> 02:05:59,920
amongst the masses, listening to the call. This may be right,

2349
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,880
it's the call of calls. It felt that way. I

2350
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:04,279
will tell you that it felt that way.

2351
02:06:04,479 --> 02:06:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean the only one that I can

2352
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:12,119
feel might be bigger is the Vince McMahon one, if

2353
02:06:12,159 --> 02:06:13,000
and when that happens.

2354
02:06:13,159 --> 02:06:15,279
Speaker 2: President of what, thank you very much for bumping up

2355
02:06:15,319 --> 02:06:18,119
your pledge, President of taking care of the CoA chairs.

2356
02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:20,640
That's what you're the president of. Joseph Neubauer, thanks for

2357
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:22,319
pumping up your pledge all the way to the mote

2358
02:06:22,359 --> 02:06:25,479
tier John and Bristol, England, gentlemen, you've done it all,

2359
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:27,760
from the Journey through a WA right up to SummerSlam

2360
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:31,479
two thousand and five and almost everything in between, the Manias, Rent, Slams, Rumbles,

2361
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:35,159
Survivors Series, WCW and beyond TNA Thunderdome. What's left is

2362
02:06:35,159 --> 02:06:37,279
a fitting tribute to probably the most memorable wrestler of

2363
02:06:37,319 --> 02:06:39,279
our time, Backlash two thousand and two.

2364
02:06:40,159 --> 02:06:41,199
Speaker 1: That one's got to be in here.

2365
02:06:41,319 --> 02:06:44,479
Speaker 2: I think we've settled on that one. You may even

2366
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:46,319
leave that one off your top ten because that's pretty

2367
02:06:46,359 --> 02:06:48,720
much done and dusted. Yeah, right, one last run with

2368
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:51,239
the title the last man to b WWF Champion WWF.

2369
02:06:51,279 --> 02:06:54,760
Speaker 1: That is not WWE Holy sh take care of that.

2370
02:06:55,159 --> 02:06:57,319
Take take your time with that, Take your time with it.

2371
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:07,560
I never fucking even thought of that. That's un fucking

2372
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:15,680
believable brother brother brother. Wait. Wait, so he's the I'm gonna,

2373
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:17,560
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna break my own k

2374
02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:22,000
fabe here. Okay, so he's the last WWF champion and

2375
02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:27,520
the first WWE champion Brother brother brother because it happened

2376
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:29,000
in the middle, right, happened in the middle of his

2377
02:07:29,079 --> 02:07:38,159
fucking thing, I am. I mean, listen, it's been twenty

2378
02:07:38,239 --> 02:07:43,600
three years and I'm just realizing that it was.

2379
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:47,800
Speaker 2: It was amazing that all the started to transpire just

2380
02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:50,039
as we arrived at our caricature version of this guy,

2381
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:53,439
that second decade of Holthoven fandom that we both went

2382
02:07:53,479 --> 02:07:54,000
through together.

2383
02:07:54,520 --> 02:07:55,199
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.

2384
02:07:55,239 --> 02:07:57,079
Speaker 2: And not just like you said, like WWF gives way

2385
02:07:57,079 --> 02:08:00,439
to WWE. He's back and he's holding the belt all

2386
02:08:00,479 --> 02:08:02,600
over again. Hilarious.

2387
02:08:04,640 --> 02:08:06,279
Speaker 1: That's why I say this guy's a legend man, Like

2388
02:08:06,399 --> 02:08:08,479
we all know that he captivated us in the eighties

2389
02:08:08,520 --> 02:08:10,399
and nineties, But when this guy was able to come

2390
02:08:10,479 --> 02:08:13,359
back and get the strap on him, like this guy's oh,

2391
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:16,119
you can't. You can't question this guy how he moves.

2392
02:08:16,199 --> 02:08:19,000
When that happened. Yeah, listen, there's.

2393
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:22,079
Speaker 2: Because he could barely I mean, he could do some stuff,

2394
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:24,720
but he could barely move compared to like, you know,

2395
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:30,560
eighties Hulk Hogan amazing one last run with the title.

2396
02:08:31,239 --> 02:08:33,279
The Political Chess played to take the title from Triple

2397
02:08:33,319 --> 02:08:36,079
As just thirty days after his crowning glory at Many eighteen.

2398
02:08:36,279 --> 02:08:38,319
I know, think about that too. Triple Ah had just

2399
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:41,279
won the title in the show closing bout against Christ Jericho,

2400
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:45,000
right and a month later. The only thing the only

2401
02:08:45,079 --> 02:08:46,760
thing that makes sense for the company to do is

2402
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:49,000
have him lose it to Hulk Cogan. Isn't that amazing?

2403
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:53,239
Oh Mania eighteen JP said it best on the Batch

2404
02:08:53,279 --> 02:08:55,960
of the Beach ninety four show. Hulk was always a

2405
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:58,760
step ahead. The game went on last in Toronto, but

2406
02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:01,039
Hulk had already written the manual in nineteen eighty five

2407
02:09:01,319 --> 02:09:03,520
and perfected it for eight WrestleManias in a row. He

2408
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:06,119
knew what he was doing against the Rock. He timed

2409
02:09:06,399 --> 02:09:08,560
his change to the red and yellow to perfection, rode

2410
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:11,079
the wave and stood atop the mountain, breathing rare air.

2411
02:09:11,159 --> 02:09:13,319
That one last time, it must have been just like

2412
02:09:13,359 --> 02:09:15,720
the old times. For a fleeting moment, Vincent haulk back

2413
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:18,239
on top. Perhaps both knew it wouldn't last. Maybe in

2414
02:09:18,319 --> 02:09:20,640
their heart of hearts, they just hoped it would back

2415
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:26,199
last two thousand and two, one last run one two THROUGHNOI.

2416
02:09:27,239 --> 02:09:35,119
Speaker 1: He I'm yeah, I'm so. The official change happened on

2417
02:09:36,039 --> 02:09:39,960
May sixth, two thousand and two, dead in the middle

2418
02:09:40,640 --> 02:09:42,159
of Hulk Hogan's.

2419
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:44,279
Speaker 2: I Rememberment Judgment Day two thousand and two was the

2420
02:09:44,319 --> 02:09:45,800
first WWE pay per view.

2421
02:09:46,439 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember. I can remember the first time

2422
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:52,760
I heard them say WWE, and I was mortified. Oh god,

2423
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:57,119
it was horrible. I remember being just totally.

2424
02:09:58,199 --> 02:10:01,000
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck, because like, wa, you dying and everything,

2425
02:10:01,159 --> 02:10:03,439
and that being the reason that had a lot to

2426
02:10:03,479 --> 02:10:05,399
do with jumping the shark right there. When they changed

2427
02:10:05,399 --> 02:10:07,000
the names, people were like, I'm just not going no,

2428
02:10:07,159 --> 02:10:10,560
I'm not going to watch this and and be triggered

2429
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:14,560
every time they say w W instead of WWF. But

2430
02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:16,279
we're getting to that point, by the way, don't forget.

2431
02:10:16,279 --> 02:10:18,640
We're getting to that point where it's going to be longer,

2432
02:10:19,439 --> 02:10:21,319
longer than it was WWF.

2433
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,359
Speaker 1: So just remember that. Just remember that it's that it

2434
02:10:24,520 --> 02:10:28,800
is going to be more w W than WWF. Okay,

2435
02:10:30,239 --> 02:10:31,680
and I wonder why we're relapsed.

2436
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the Realist Solar System members in the room,

2437
02:10:36,079 --> 02:10:39,720
Christian Rights Co Chairs. Well, we knew this day would come.

2438
02:10:40,119 --> 02:10:42,960
Kind of ironic, especially considering Vince recently stated his plans

2439
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:46,560
to create a new entertainment platform and conglomerate which will

2440
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:47,880
focus exclusively.

2441
02:10:47,439 --> 02:10:51,640
Speaker 1: Again, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, it is longer.

2442
02:10:52,399 --> 02:11:00,960
Oh we're there, yeah, because the the the I'm trying

2443
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:05,720
to look here. Oh no, no, no, no, well yeah

2444
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:13,640
we are. Actually In March of nineteen seventy nine it

2445
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:19,800
became WWF, went from Worldwide Wrestling Federation w WF, and

2446
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:23,680
then twenty three years later, twenty three let's see here,

2447
02:11:24,279 --> 02:11:28,119
twenty three and two months later it became w W

2448
02:11:29,279 --> 02:11:33,760
And now may it's listen, we're there now, we're at

2449
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:36,840
the even point. It's now done. Now you can't fucking

2450
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:41,600
say shit, okay, it's always been ww Now you can't

2451
02:11:41,680 --> 02:11:50,640
argue that. All right, it's overs up. Time's over. Times up, motherfuckers. Well,

2452
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:54,119
John Steen's retirement year is when we realize it's always

2453
02:11:54,119 --> 02:11:54,560
been w W.

2454
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:56,640
Speaker 2: If he rides it off, right, he rides it off

2455
02:11:56,640 --> 02:12:03,640
at the sunset, that permanent switchover, it's over. Well, we

2456
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:05,880
knew this day would come, Christian rights kind of erotic,

2457
02:12:06,279 --> 02:12:09,239
especially considering Vince recently stated his plans to create a

2458
02:12:09,359 --> 02:12:13,000
new entertainment platform and conglomerate which will focus exclusively on

2459
02:12:13,079 --> 02:12:15,880
both pre and future determined points of bottle of contact

2460
02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:20,000
in the simulated presentation of artificial intelligence and technological engineering

2461
02:12:20,039 --> 02:12:20,800
on a hybrid level.

2462
02:12:21,399 --> 02:12:24,119
Speaker 1: Yes, what we are. We're currently in the process of

2463
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:31,560
building the Vince McMahon owns Hulkamania entertainment companies. That's what

2464
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:38,479
we have. The mcmanonmania Animania has been running wild these years.

2465
02:12:38,760 --> 02:12:41,920
Mcmanamony has been running while mcmannamania is the only mania

2466
02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:47,880
that exists still and Vince rules, thank you for.

2467
02:12:47,960 --> 02:12:49,920
Speaker 2: This, thank you for your time, thank you for your

2468
02:12:49,960 --> 02:12:55,159
attention in this matter. But again we all knew this

2469
02:12:55,239 --> 02:12:58,319
day would come Christian rights. So since Hulcymanea is officially

2470
02:12:58,359 --> 02:13:05,920
and forever dead, this the vinst rules, Vince, and this

2471
02:13:06,039 --> 02:13:08,359
is the decade of lapsed. I propose you have a

2472
02:13:08,439 --> 02:13:11,039
top ten greatest matches of the career of Hulk Hogan.

2473
02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:12,520
Speaker 1: That's all I have.

2474
02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:15,479
Speaker 2: Like that O W in my school newspaper article about

2475
02:13:15,479 --> 02:13:17,520
Hogan's turning heel at Batch of the Beach. I never

2476
02:13:17,680 --> 02:13:20,159
liked Hogan he was the shits. No, but really, what

2477
02:13:20,239 --> 02:13:22,279
do you think about a ten Greatest Matches tribute? Looking

2478
02:13:22,279 --> 02:13:23,960
forward to whatever you guys do, I'm sure it'll make

2479
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:25,319
the Hulster proud, boss.

2480
02:13:25,439 --> 02:13:28,600
Speaker 1: What do you think to find ten greatest? We have

2481
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:31,920
to find the prapifications for ten greatest, like ten greatest

2482
02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:34,279
in terms of in ring match quality or ten greatest

2483
02:13:34,319 --> 02:13:39,479
in terms of this is my favorite, yes, anything else.

2484
02:13:39,640 --> 02:13:42,680
It's up to you. What would you pick? I would

2485
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:47,439
have to say greatest in terms of favorite, like, because

2486
02:13:47,479 --> 02:13:49,560
that to me is what is what matters. What would

2487
02:13:49,560 --> 02:13:52,399
they be? Because if it's if it's greatest, god, top

2488
02:13:52,479 --> 02:13:55,159
ten I mean, in no particular order, just to make

2489
02:13:55,199 --> 02:14:03,439
it easier, yeah, I mean, oh god, um, I mean

2490
02:14:04,399 --> 02:14:08,640
first of all, Rumble ninety one always the top, that's

2491
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:12,600
number one, still my favorite. Can watch it and just

2492
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:17,279
be thrilled. Consider that a Hogan match? I do, I do,

2493
02:14:18,119 --> 02:14:21,199
I will because he won it. If he didn't win

2494
02:14:21,239 --> 02:14:25,840
with that's like Flared Knights Rumble match, Yeah right it is.

2495
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:32,279
I mean, look, Hogan Slaughter. I love Hogan Slaughter. I

2496
02:14:32,359 --> 02:14:35,039
could watch that all the time. I could watch it

2497
02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:46,640
all the time. The Hogan Savage for sure, But Hogan Flair.

2498
02:14:46,680 --> 02:14:51,279
I mean, listen, Hogan Flair, Hogan Flair, Halloween, Havoc, no question,

2499
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:58,880
Hogan Savage, Hogan Savage. Five. Yes, I don't even know

2500
02:14:58,880 --> 02:15:04,720
where I'm at. Five. Yeah, that's five. Okay. My number

2501
02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:07,600
one is Hogan Warrior. Yeah, what's your number one? Hogan Warrior. Sure,

2502
02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:16,159
that's where really did it all? Yeah, really showed the

2503
02:15:16,199 --> 02:15:20,239
full breath of what he meant and what he could do. Actually,

2504
02:15:20,279 --> 02:15:24,119
I should say my favorite is actually probably the one

2505
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:27,359
I saw live. That's actually my favorite one, follow by

2506
02:15:27,439 --> 02:15:30,840
romandinety one ninety one. Stuff is just gold to me,

2507
02:15:31,239 --> 02:15:35,000
always will be, always will be. Like watching the build

2508
02:15:35,079 --> 02:15:38,359
up to WrestleMania seven, a couple a couple of shows

2509
02:15:38,399 --> 02:15:44,479
of that just so amazing. Oh and the fucking Serenus

2510
02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:49,039
main event master too. Yeah I've never actually seen it,

2511
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:53,000
so it doesn't do anything for me, but yeah, the

2512
02:15:53,039 --> 02:15:55,199
stuff that I watched early as a kid, that stuff's

2513
02:15:55,239 --> 02:15:59,760
my favorite. And definitely some Bash some some w CW stuff.

2514
02:15:59,800 --> 02:16:02,319
I mean, like I said, Hogan Flair in the Cage

2515
02:16:02,720 --> 02:16:09,079
is easily up there. Probably Hogan Piper at Starcade. Sure,

2516
02:16:11,279 --> 02:16:13,359
you know, because it meant something to me. Like watching that.

2517
02:16:14,399 --> 02:16:18,439
When I'm watching it live, I gotta go Hogan Andre. Yeah,

2518
02:16:18,520 --> 02:16:20,199
Hogan Andre's on there. I mean, you can't not put

2519
02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:23,359
Hogan Andre on there. It's gotta be. It's my number two.

2520
02:16:24,079 --> 02:16:33,600
But I'm going to Shay Stadium. Oh really, no, brother, Yeah, yeah,

2521
02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:35,840
it's a match in Japan. I mean that's the thing

2522
02:16:35,879 --> 02:16:39,440
that that's a great match. Like, but that's way, it's hard,

2523
02:16:39,559 --> 02:16:41,639
like I don't have the nostalgic feel for it, Like

2524
02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:44,479
I don't like to sit there and well to the

2525
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:48,280
television right, like in terms of work rate. Yeah, that

2526
02:16:48,399 --> 02:16:49,600
in the moon of match is some of the best

2527
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:50,000
shit ever.

2528
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:53,319
Speaker 2: The Goldberg match, the you know what it loses, it

2529
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:55,760
tends to be some of the best stuff. Even the

2530
02:16:56,200 --> 02:16:59,040
match on Nitro. Yeah, I had a joke, man, not

2531
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:03,239
a joke. Good fucking stuff got the people out of

2532
02:17:03,280 --> 02:17:04,520
their fucking minds.

2533
02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:05,399
Speaker 1: Yep.

2534
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:09,280
Speaker 2: And look the Rock match. It's fucking amazing. Yeah, it's

2535
02:17:09,360 --> 02:17:11,920
great and achievement on a level I never would have expected.

2536
02:17:14,079 --> 02:17:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's yeah. I'd have to really,

2537
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:21,239
I mean, honestly, those are the ones on top of

2538
02:17:21,239 --> 02:17:23,159
my head. I'd have to really think about it a

2539
02:17:23,239 --> 02:17:24,079
little more, but like.

2540
02:17:24,239 --> 02:17:25,760
Speaker 2: Hit all, you had all the high points. There were

2541
02:17:25,799 --> 02:17:27,879
some sneaky ones in there. I think that we could include,

2542
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:30,559
but that's pretty much it. The mooda match is good

2543
02:17:30,600 --> 02:17:34,239
in Japan, the uh Yeah, as far as ninety two,

2544
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:37,520
not much, although I remember it so fondly.

2545
02:17:37,639 --> 02:17:39,520
Speaker 1: Well see again for me. But also you know what,

2546
02:17:39,639 --> 02:17:42,719
I love the Sid match. Yeah, you know, like it

2547
02:17:42,760 --> 02:17:45,840
didn't end right, but I love the Sid match. That

2548
02:17:45,959 --> 02:17:47,040
feud is iconic for me.

2549
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:49,319
Speaker 2: And we go back to those savage matches from eighty five.

2550
02:17:49,360 --> 02:17:50,840
We were just watching, like that's some of the best

2551
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:55,479
hoga and stuff you're gonna find. Yes, Ogan in Valentine,

2552
02:17:55,559 --> 02:17:57,760
Hogan in Morocco, and when he first gets the strap,

2553
02:17:58,559 --> 02:18:01,280
it's good stuff. He's out there really going for it,

2554
02:18:01,479 --> 02:18:05,040
you know, trying to make it, try to deserve the

2555
02:18:05,159 --> 02:18:07,079
position of top guy in the business, you know.

2556
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:13,120
Speaker 1: Oh and also the ninety ninety survivisary stuff, both of them,

2557
02:18:13,360 --> 02:18:16,879
both his match with the whole communis versus the natural disasters,

2558
02:18:16,920 --> 02:18:25,360
but also the final MATCHSS survival equally ninety rumble yep,

2559
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:28,920
that was my That's someone I rented a hundred times,

2560
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:38,200
not ninety one. Yeah, what can you say? Can you say? Yeah?

2561
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:40,360
And he did write this.

2562
02:18:42,200 --> 02:18:45,360
Speaker 2: Christian did write this piece in his high school newspaper

2563
02:18:45,399 --> 02:18:46,639
that he shared with us, which I think is so

2564
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:51,040
fucking hilarious. Hulk Cogan has an agenda. The situation involving

2565
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:54,079
Hulk Cogan in the New World Order, cleverly named the nWo,

2566
02:18:54,280 --> 02:18:56,479
is taking on a whole new perspective in the world

2567
02:18:56,520 --> 02:18:58,600
of professional wrestling. For those of you who are not

2568
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:01,280
aware of the changes in ww World Championship Wrestling or

2569
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:03,840
with Hulkogan, let me give a little insight. As of August,

2570
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:06,559
the man Hulk Cogan is now the nWo slash WCW

2571
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:10,000
World Heavyweight Champion. This came after he claimed that himself

2572
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:12,079
and his two new friends, Scott holland Kevin Nash would

2573
02:19:12,079 --> 02:19:16,239
take over WCW and would call it the nWo. That's interesting,

2574
02:19:16,479 --> 02:19:19,680
so he read that as they're going to rename WCW, THENWO,

2575
02:19:20,200 --> 02:19:23,440
that's interesting. The way he won the title was very surprising. Indeed,

2576
02:19:23,479 --> 02:19:26,200
after beating the champion, the Giant, and stirred to South Dakota.

2577
02:19:26,440 --> 02:19:28,440
After he finished the Giant, he took the belt and

2578
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:30,239
hit him in the head to score the pinfall. He

2579
02:19:30,319 --> 02:19:32,440
then took black spray paint and wrote the three letters

2580
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:35,079
nWo on the gold title. However, this article is not

2581
02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:36,719
on how he won the title, yet, it is on

2582
02:19:36,840 --> 02:19:39,639
what he's planning on doing with the championship and how

2583
02:19:39,680 --> 02:19:42,120
it will affect the progress of the nWo and namely

2584
02:19:42,159 --> 02:19:44,959
his two friends holland Nash. In any professional sport, there

2585
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:46,600
is at the end of a season a team or

2586
02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:49,200
a person who was called champion. Everyone in every team

2587
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:51,559
struggles to one day call themselves champion. Yet in the

2588
02:19:51,559 --> 02:19:53,920
world of hul Cogan, only he can be called such

2589
02:19:53,959 --> 02:19:56,319
a name. As for holland Nash, if they don't portray

2590
02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:58,959
Hulkgan now, they'll never be able to be the champion

2591
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:02,440
of WCW. Look him wanting nan w out of collapse

2592
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:05,319
on itself. That's pretty wid The reason for such an

2593
02:20:05,319 --> 02:20:07,520
outrageous statement is to show to the world that Hogan

2594
02:20:07,639 --> 02:20:10,120
is not only a shallow person, but to let his

2595
02:20:10,239 --> 02:20:12,520
partners know that Hogan is planning on holding onto that

2596
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:14,719
title for as long as it takes, even if it

2597
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:17,200
means never giving them a title. Shot Man Hallan nashould

2598
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:19,879
have read this high school newspaper man, they would be

2599
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:21,760
coming around the corner, strange.

2600
02:20:21,479 --> 02:20:25,239
Speaker 1: Fucking booked, rebooked, the whole, fucking uh, the whole.

2601
02:20:25,159 --> 02:20:27,799
Speaker 2: Completely strange as it may seem, this happens all the

2602
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:30,440
time in wrestling. Someone's friend becomes champion and the relationship

2603
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:33,360
falls straight downhill. This card back in nineteen ninety when

2604
02:20:33,360 --> 02:20:35,280
Sting was a member of the Four Horsemen, the Four

2605
02:20:35,319 --> 02:20:37,319
Horsemen were a lot like the nWo are today. They

2606
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:39,040
always beat up who they wanted to, and they own

2607
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:41,840
the World heavyweight title. Sting is very much like Holland Nash.

2608
02:20:41,879 --> 02:20:43,399
He wanted to know what the ten pounds of gold

2609
02:20:43,479 --> 02:20:45,639
felt like. However, Sting was in the wrong place at

2610
02:20:45,639 --> 02:20:48,000
the wrong time. He broke the eleventh Commandment and asked

2611
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:50,520
then champion Rickclair to give him a title match. He

2612
02:20:50,639 --> 02:20:52,399
left the ring with a broken leg. The result was

2613
02:20:52,479 --> 02:20:54,959
quite clear. Never be friends with the champion, because sooner

2614
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:56,959
or later you'll be bitter enemies.

2615
02:20:57,360 --> 02:20:58,200
Speaker 1: Like that, there we go.

2616
02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:01,200
Speaker 2: Maybe holland Nash are at the wrong place the wrong time. Also,

2617
02:21:01,559 --> 02:21:03,920
it would be nothing for Hogan to grant someone else's shot,

2618
02:21:04,159 --> 02:21:05,760
but these are supposed to be the men to help

2619
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:08,159
him keep the title. The nWo is no doubt a

2620
02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:10,000
force to be reckoned with and Hogan does have some

2621
02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:12,120
pretty good wrestlers by his side, but for how long?

2622
02:21:12,520 --> 02:21:14,760
The only things that will hurt his title reign or, arrogance,

2623
02:21:14,840 --> 02:21:17,280
a big mouth, and a cold heart. He's displaying those

2624
02:21:17,360 --> 02:21:19,920
factors at this point in time. Yet when the smoke

2625
02:21:19,959 --> 02:21:22,200
clears and Hogan walks out of that arena, he'll look

2626
02:21:22,280 --> 02:21:26,520
back and once again be alone. Holy shit, Wow, that's

2627
02:21:26,559 --> 02:21:29,479
fucking that works in a lot of ways. Kudos Christian.

2628
02:21:29,559 --> 02:21:32,760
That's good stuff. Man pulling up an old scan that

2629
02:21:32,840 --> 02:21:35,920
he had of his high school newspaper.

2630
02:21:37,440 --> 02:21:38,559
Speaker 1: That's wild. That's fun.

2631
02:21:38,639 --> 02:21:42,280
Speaker 2: Thanks for the top ten ideas well. Martin Zamora, Thanks

2632
02:21:42,360 --> 02:21:43,879
very much for bumping up your pledge to get that

2633
02:21:44,639 --> 02:21:47,840
moat tear taste. We deeply appreciated. Isaiah. Isaiah, thank you

2634
02:21:48,719 --> 02:21:51,760
so very much. Christian also asks you think Savage decked

2635
02:21:51,799 --> 02:21:53,200
Hogan in the eye as soon as he saw him

2636
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:59,280
in heaven. Another thing Christian.

2637
02:21:59,040 --> 02:22:03,200
Speaker 1: Wrote some I've seen some funny AI drawings of like

2638
02:22:03,799 --> 02:22:08,000
Hogan being welcomed by by people in Heaven. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

2639
02:22:08,079 --> 02:22:11,200
no no no, listen, they're going after him, all right,

2640
02:22:11,319 --> 02:22:14,479
nobody's up there like thrilled to see him. You know,

2641
02:22:14,639 --> 02:22:16,559
I mean assuming he goes up to heaven anyway. Listen,

2642
02:22:16,639 --> 02:22:19,520
I mean assuming assuming any pro wrestler is in heaven.

2643
02:22:19,559 --> 02:22:21,360
We talked about the Big Man for a lot of

2644
02:22:21,479 --> 02:22:24,920
years to not earn the admission. Yeah, but he also

2645
02:22:24,959 --> 02:22:28,959
screwed a lot of people down here on Well, none

2646
02:22:28,959 --> 02:22:30,239
of the wrestlers are going to be up there. If

2647
02:22:30,239 --> 02:22:32,840
that's disqualifying, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think

2648
02:22:32,840 --> 02:22:35,479
I can't imagine a single wrestler ever getting up to Heaven.

2649
02:22:36,399 --> 02:22:38,799
Speaker 2: Christian also wrote on one of the posts about Hogan's passing,

2650
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:42,120
I quote from Vince McMahon, I will be the last

2651
02:22:42,159 --> 02:22:46,440
one standing. Oh is that not coming to us? That's

2652
02:22:46,479 --> 02:22:47,959
the way it's going to be, my dev thank you

2653
02:22:48,120 --> 02:22:50,840
very much for your increase in pledge. We deeply appreciate that.

2654
02:22:51,239 --> 02:22:53,920
Cliff writes to us brothers back last two thousand and two,

2655
02:22:54,799 --> 02:22:58,280
Hogan's last world title in Triple H versus the real

2656
02:22:58,399 --> 02:23:02,239
Triple H. He's calling for Josh. We want to thank

2657
02:23:02,239 --> 02:23:03,840
you very much for bumping up to the mote tier.

2658
02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:07,079
Andrew Wright suggestions one deep dive his first title reign,

2659
02:23:07,079 --> 02:23:09,440
including the arena title defenses that are out there. Yeah,

2660
02:23:09,440 --> 02:23:10,680
a lot of those have been done in the Coliseum

2661
02:23:10,719 --> 02:23:13,559
collection actually, but it's a hell of an idea. You know,

2662
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:16,319
how much can we can we observe of Hogan's original

2663
02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:19,719
title run that wasn't on a quote day preview yep,

2664
02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:22,440
the whole Comedia Colisseum videos in order I will say

2665
02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:23,959
that we're not going to do those. Those are the

2666
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:28,680
Coliseum collection. Yeah, I agree, So those and I'm sure

2667
02:23:29,239 --> 02:23:31,040
to a large will do the matches that are on

2668
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:35,120
those tapes anyway. I mean, I mean, well some of them,

2669
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:37,799
some yes, some know, there's definitely certain a lot of

2670
02:23:38,479 --> 02:23:41,399
shit in there on those tapes that aren't on pay

2671
02:23:41,399 --> 02:23:44,319
per views or big shows. I don't think I ever

2672
02:23:44,360 --> 02:23:46,079
saw a sertain has made event on a whole comedia.

2673
02:23:46,760 --> 02:23:48,639
Speaker 1: Well I'm not always get a fucking but the point is,

2674
02:23:48,760 --> 02:23:50,760
the complete Hull Cochin journey does not have to be

2675
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:52,399
a pay per view or TV show. It could be

2676
02:23:53,399 --> 02:23:55,799
some random show on Philly that was on PRISM, you know.

2677
02:23:56,639 --> 02:23:59,680
And I also, you know, I also think I don't

2678
02:23:59,719 --> 02:24:02,719
I don't personally want to do every Hulk Hogan show.

2679
02:24:03,799 --> 02:24:06,399
I want there to be some down the line, you know.

2680
02:24:06,680 --> 02:24:09,600
But I think the idea of filling in the gaps

2681
02:24:09,639 --> 02:24:11,399
of the major stuff is crucial.

2682
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know what what counts as major, And

2683
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:15,479
he also calls for the missing pay per views in

2684
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:18,239
SNM's Yeah, I think we're all we all kind of

2685
02:24:18,280 --> 02:24:22,520
got there together somehow, some way. We're making suggestions in isolation,

2686
02:24:22,639 --> 02:24:25,040
but when you put them together in vacuums, but when

2687
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:26,680
you put them together, it's like, Yeah, this is kind

2688
02:24:26,719 --> 02:24:29,600
of the cross current of what everybody's saying. Zach just says,

2689
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:31,680
just started in seventy five and go to twenty twenty five,

2690
02:24:31,719 --> 02:24:34,159
one episode each year. Easier said than done, but that's

2691
02:24:34,159 --> 02:24:38,879
pretty much what we're gonna do. Absolutely, so many people

2692
02:24:38,920 --> 02:24:40,520
got the news while they were listening to the Bash

2693
02:24:40,600 --> 02:24:43,239
at the Beach ninety four episode. I just can't believe that,

2694
02:24:43,440 --> 02:24:46,440
but that's how we ended up. And yes, Zach, I did.

2695
02:24:46,440 --> 02:24:49,200
Speaker 1: Make a mistake saying that Hulk Hogan's attorney was Howard Hughes.

2696
02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:55,319
I was sitting there, Howard Hughes maybe a little. I

2697
02:24:55,399 --> 02:24:57,159
was like, I don't know about that, but okay, his

2698
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:59,760
name it's Henry Holmes. I thought it was Henry Holmes

2699
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:05,520
Holmes rather double a Stu Wright.

2700
02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:07,440
Speaker 2: Hello, a quick note. How about a piece on how

2701
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:09,399
the World News reported Hogan's death. This is the World

2702
02:25:09,479 --> 02:25:11,760
News in the UK, for example in the UK, and

2703
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:13,799
it was on the main BBC six o'clock news, which

2704
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:16,040
is probably the highest profile. It wasn't as important as

2705
02:25:16,079 --> 02:25:17,959
the cricket score, but was more pressing than the weather.

2706
02:25:18,239 --> 02:25:20,520
They highlighted Rocky and the WWE, but also mentioned the

2707
02:25:20,559 --> 02:25:22,559
Gawker stuff and summed it all up with Hogan's endorsement

2708
02:25:22,600 --> 02:25:25,799
of Donald Trump. I'd be keen on seeing how India, Japan, America,

2709
02:25:25,920 --> 02:25:28,280
in fact any country handled the news. I'm obviously not

2710
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:30,440
going to seek it out myself, but you asked for suggestions.

2711
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:32,799
Speaker 1: Yes, thank yous to. This is a good idea.

2712
02:25:32,920 --> 02:25:34,559
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure how we thread that in, but

2713
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:38,079
I think it is interesting to note. I know that

2714
02:25:38,280 --> 02:25:41,920
Fumisaido did a show for Wrestling Observer on what Hogan

2715
02:25:41,959 --> 02:25:44,840
meant to Japan, which I'm looking forward to checking out. Fumi,

2716
02:25:44,920 --> 02:25:48,440
you might recall from the Lapsed Funk series, has really

2717
02:25:48,559 --> 02:25:51,079
nice beat on not only how wrestlers are received in

2718
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:53,079
his native Japan, but having lived in the States for

2719
02:25:53,239 --> 02:25:55,600
years and being fluent in English, he also understands how

2720
02:25:55,639 --> 02:25:58,520
to explain that to an American wrestling audience, you know,

2721
02:25:58,959 --> 02:26:01,959
and translate what the cultural impact is. So I look

2722
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:05,280
forward to getting his sense of how Hogan's career in

2723
02:26:05,719 --> 02:26:08,680
passing was received in Japan but other countries. It's tough

2724
02:26:08,680 --> 02:26:10,680
to say the UK is great because, as so many

2725
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:12,399
of our listeners are in the UK have pointed out

2726
02:26:12,440 --> 02:26:15,120
to us, the steroid trial didn't hurt him over there.

2727
02:26:15,399 --> 02:26:17,000
There's a reason that he starts leaning in with the

2728
02:26:17,000 --> 02:26:19,879
Wrestling boot Band and talking about Wembley in the UK

2729
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:21,799
A whole hell of a lot after that ww Front

2730
02:26:21,879 --> 02:26:27,000
ends right, Tony writes, greeting's co chairs, I'm sure you're

2731
02:26:27,000 --> 02:26:29,280
getting pounded with suggestions regarding what to do with the

2732
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:31,000
potential Hulk tribute, but I didn't want to throw out

2733
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:37,200
a couple of suggestions. One guess what he says selfishly,

2734
02:26:37,239 --> 02:26:40,079
I attended this show. Wow he attended? Oh I need

2735
02:26:40,200 --> 02:26:41,799
I need information on that one when we come to

2736
02:26:41,879 --> 02:26:43,959
it in about have to contribute to his story or

2737
02:26:43,959 --> 02:26:47,159
two regarding the feelings in the arena that night and

2738
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:49,200
after Hulk beat Triple eights, that was a fascinating show.

2739
02:26:49,239 --> 02:26:50,959
Don't waste any time, Tony, get it to us now,

2740
02:26:51,639 --> 02:26:54,120
Get it to us now, or get started on it now.

2741
02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:58,079
Two Saturday's Made Event July nineteen ninety. This was the

2742
02:26:58,120 --> 02:26:59,920
first show I ever attended and it had Hulk's return

2743
02:27:00,040 --> 02:27:00,840
interview since being.

2744
02:27:00,799 --> 02:27:03,200
Speaker 1: Injured by earthquake. What was it you meet the date again?

2745
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:05,639
July nineteen ninety before SummerSlam. Oh wow.

2746
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:07,799
Speaker 2: This was the first show I ever attended and had

2747
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:10,120
Hulk's return interviews since being injured by earthquake.

2748
02:27:10,680 --> 02:27:11,959
Speaker 1: That was a huge show for me. I mean you

2749
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:14,200
want to talk about you know, Cornerstone. It was the

2750
02:27:14,239 --> 02:27:15,200
first WWS pay per.

2751
02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:18,120
Speaker 2: View I ever watched Summer Slam ninety plus it has

2752
02:27:18,200 --> 02:27:20,959
that tribute package before the interview, which now seems really poignant.

2753
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:24,319
I still have so many memories from this show. There

2754
02:27:24,360 --> 02:27:26,600
are many others, including the big event SummerSlam eighty eight

2755
02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:31,040
ninety eight, No pardon me, SummerSlam eighty eight, Hex Survivors

2756
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:33,120
Series eighty seven. Yeah, but I would love to hear

2757
02:27:33,200 --> 02:27:35,079
the coverage you gentlemen would provide for two shows I

2758
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:37,000
hold near and dear. Thanks for hearing me out, thank

2759
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:38,440
you for the memories, thank you for the inspiration, and

2760
02:27:38,479 --> 02:27:42,120
thank you proclamania. Thank you rollers there you go, SNMA

2761
02:27:42,239 --> 02:27:45,959
July ninety. Probably we'll say a lot about Hogan. It's

2762
02:27:45,959 --> 02:27:48,360
not a match, but that segment ought to be in

2763
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:51,920
there somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

2764
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:53,840
Speaker 1: Steve says, I was just sitting in my tent at

2765
02:27:53,879 --> 02:27:55,559
a music festival, so I've been cut off from the

2766
02:27:55,600 --> 02:27:56,360
world a bit. Today.

2767
02:27:56,559 --> 02:27:58,600
Speaker 2: My son sent me a text message a short while ago.

2768
02:27:58,680 --> 02:28:02,399
Hulk Hogan has died. Fuck me dictionary definition of end

2769
02:28:02,399 --> 02:28:04,760
of an era, without doubt, the greatest pro wrestler of

2770
02:28:04,799 --> 02:28:06,879
all time. I'm going to keep this brief. May send

2771
02:28:06,920 --> 02:28:08,600
more thoughts when I'm home next week, but I saw

2772
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:11,319
your tweet about oh bit coverage and any suggestions we

2773
02:28:11,440 --> 02:28:15,239
may have. My suggestion, deep dive the entire Mega Powers arc.

2774
02:28:16,600 --> 02:28:19,600
It's the protheosis of the art in my opinion. Dig

2775
02:28:19,680 --> 02:28:22,520
up every match, every promo, every magazine article, and go

2776
02:28:22,639 --> 02:28:25,760
deepen that ass on the Megapowers month's worth of shows

2777
02:28:25,799 --> 02:28:27,840
there to do it justice, but it deserves it. It's

2778
02:28:27,879 --> 02:28:32,200
the best angle ever and personally was my favorite formative

2779
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:33,799
rather wrestling experience.

2780
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:35,840
Speaker 1: It's what got me on the hook. Brother.

2781
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that has good stuff, man, Yeah, yeah, shout outs

2782
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:44,680
to Josh, who gave a lot of the outlines of

2783
02:28:44,719 --> 02:28:47,399
that list that I read out there just a while ago.

2784
02:28:47,479 --> 02:28:51,159
On the show of Unaddressed Hogan Episodes, Anthony writes, I've

2785
02:28:51,159 --> 02:28:53,200
been a loyalty LF fan since the beginning. You may

2786
02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:57,200
recognize me from Twitter. I'm beginning begging you rather to

2787
02:28:57,280 --> 02:28:59,799
please cover the Colisseum video release Hulcymania three in your

2788
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:03,440
t to Hogan, he's begging us, boss. Wow, I don't

2789
02:29:03,479 --> 02:29:08,479
know begging. It's the entire Hogan and Entre feud from

2790
02:29:08,520 --> 02:29:09,399
beginning to eighty eight.

2791
02:29:10,280 --> 02:29:11,040
Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting.

2792
02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:13,360
Speaker 2: It's the best Colosseum release in my opinion, and the

2793
02:29:13,399 --> 02:29:15,879
best WWF home video release other than because Stone Cold

2794
02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:18,200
said so. Looking forward to everything you do. Thank you

2795
02:29:18,280 --> 02:29:21,159
for your consideration, Anthony, I love it. I think we're

2796
02:29:21,159 --> 02:29:23,360
gonna have to let you down there. But we'll see,

2797
02:29:23,639 --> 02:29:24,680
we'll see, I mean.

2798
02:29:24,799 --> 02:29:27,920
Speaker 1: But I'll say, you know, it might be it might

2799
02:29:27,959 --> 02:29:30,360
be something to like. At least go through and take

2800
02:29:30,399 --> 02:29:38,360
a look at some of the stuff that isn't you know,

2801
02:29:38,559 --> 02:29:41,040
maybe not seen as much, you know, there's sure. That's

2802
02:29:41,079 --> 02:29:44,000
what I always love about the the Colisseum videos is

2803
02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:46,520
that they have stuff that was airing at the time

2804
02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:48,000
that a lot of times they haven't put up on

2805
02:29:48,040 --> 02:29:50,600
the network for sure. Whatever you know, there's a lot

2806
02:29:50,879 --> 02:29:51,319
that's true.

2807
02:29:52,399 --> 02:29:54,719
Speaker 2: DJ Smithy, thanks very much for bumping up your pledge

2808
02:29:55,079 --> 02:29:57,799
to the MOAT tier level. We deeply appreciate that side

2809
02:29:57,840 --> 02:29:59,920
of support. Christian did the same thing before mentioned Chris

2810
02:30:00,360 --> 02:30:02,440
Lucky want to thank you very much for making it

2811
02:30:02,520 --> 02:30:05,000
our lucky day. Josh, thank you very much. Jimmy, thank

2812
02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:07,680
you very much. These fuckers said, you know what mote

2813
02:30:07,799 --> 02:30:08,159
is for me?

2814
02:30:08,879 --> 02:30:09,079
Speaker 1: Matt.

2815
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:11,719
Speaker 2: Matt just wrote a single subject brother, It's all, he

2816
02:30:11,799 --> 02:30:15,600
wrote in response to our call for suggestions webinar. Thank

2817
02:30:15,639 --> 02:30:19,680
you very much for your increase in pledge. Scott Michael said, also,

2818
02:30:20,079 --> 02:30:20,959
know what happened.

2819
02:30:20,680 --> 02:30:21,520
Speaker 1: Ten years ago today?

2820
02:30:22,079 --> 02:30:24,520
Speaker 2: The recording of Hogan saying racist shit was leaked. He

2821
02:30:24,639 --> 02:30:29,280
died on the tenth anniversary of that. He also says,

2822
02:30:29,319 --> 02:30:30,840
the most fucked up thing about this is as soon

2823
02:30:30,840 --> 02:30:33,280
as I heard the news, my immediate thought was wondering

2824
02:30:33,319 --> 02:30:36,879
who was going to make the call first. That's that's

2825
02:30:36,959 --> 02:30:38,879
what we do, That's what people think now. Also, I

2826
02:30:38,959 --> 02:30:40,799
bet Hogan gets cremated because there's going to be a

2827
02:30:40,840 --> 02:30:42,600
clause in his will prohibiting anyone.

2828
02:30:42,319 --> 02:30:45,799
Speaker 1: From burying him. Of course, listen, come on, Amber, thank

2829
02:30:45,799 --> 02:30:46,319
you very much.

2830
02:30:47,159 --> 02:30:50,159
Speaker 2: Nobody can bury Hulk that mote tier taste. Travis Wilcox,

2831
02:30:50,239 --> 02:30:52,719
thank you for that generous increase in pledge. Jim Grant,

2832
02:30:52,760 --> 02:30:55,520
Welcome in to the TLF Patreon solar system. Chris g

2833
02:30:55,719 --> 02:30:58,360
same to you. We really appreciate it. Mick Arsenal, Welcome in,

2834
02:30:58,479 --> 02:31:00,760
my friend, and thank you for the pledge. Nathan writes

2835
02:31:00,799 --> 02:31:02,360
my whole life, I imagine I would feel bad and

2836
02:31:02,440 --> 02:31:04,399
sad for his passing. I wanted him to be good

2837
02:31:04,440 --> 02:31:06,879
and worthy. I tried so hard to keep him in

2838
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:09,079
that column. Even after the sex tape, with the racism,

2839
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:10,959
I still wanted to believe he was remorseful and trying

2840
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:13,000
to be better. Then last year he just doubled down

2841
02:31:13,079 --> 02:31:14,959
on the heat. I more than the idea of Hulk Cogan,

2842
02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:17,600
who died twenty years ago. Terry Bulay is either lucky

2843
02:31:17,639 --> 02:31:19,799
there is no hell or he's there now. Did I

2844
02:31:19,879 --> 02:31:24,159
still shed tears? Yes, it's a lot we'll put Yeah.

2845
02:31:24,280 --> 02:31:26,760
I mean again, Matt, that's kind of it, like it's

2846
02:31:27,559 --> 02:31:29,719
it's a hard it's a very hard thing.

2847
02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:33,280
Speaker 1: It's not It's not black and white like like he

2848
02:31:33,440 --> 02:31:37,280
was in nWo Right, Daniel Beasley, thank you very much

2849
02:31:37,360 --> 02:31:39,959
for bouncing up to the motier. We appreciate it. Chris Calamito,

2850
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:41,840
Welcome in, my friend, and thanks for the pledge. Same

2851
02:31:41,879 --> 02:31:45,639
to you, Charles Spina. We really appreciate your support on Patreon.

2852
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:47,680
Jerome Cussen, same goes for you, my friend. Thank you

2853
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:50,440
very much. Dirty Non sent us a message co Chairs.

2854
02:31:51,159 --> 02:31:54,239
Hulk Cogin passed away today. A constant in my life

2855
02:31:54,239 --> 02:31:56,959
as a wrestling fan was Hul Cocin. My earliest memories

2856
02:31:56,959 --> 02:31:59,280
of wrestling were Hulk on Saturday Night's Made Event. I

2857
02:31:59,399 --> 02:32:01,280
was on his side when the Mega Powers erupted, and

2858
02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:03,399
I was with him during the Ultimate Challenge. Me and

2859
02:32:03,440 --> 02:32:05,680
my wife's entrance music at my wedding was Voodoo Child.

2860
02:32:06,159 --> 02:32:08,879
Recent years have made being a fan of Hulk problematic,

2861
02:32:08,959 --> 02:32:10,959
and I thank the co Chairs for helping us the

2862
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:13,360
Solar System process what it means to be a wrestling

2863
02:32:13,399 --> 02:32:15,799
fan and a fan of Hulk Hogan. This fucking cast

2864
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:18,920
is the only true chronicle of the life of Terry Boleup.

2865
02:32:19,239 --> 02:32:21,399
We know this man inside and out without ever meeting him.

2866
02:32:21,479 --> 02:32:23,840
It definitely hurts inside, but I know the co chairs

2867
02:32:23,879 --> 02:32:27,760
will be there. Thank you for hul comania. David writes,

2868
02:32:27,799 --> 02:32:29,879
holy shit listening to the one two three as Hogan

2869
02:32:29,959 --> 02:32:32,760
wins the title from Flair when I find out from

2870
02:32:32,760 --> 02:32:38,159
a text message that he has died, m oregan, damn man.

2871
02:32:38,399 --> 02:32:40,200
The upcoming journey the co chairs are about to take

2872
02:32:40,239 --> 02:32:41,639
us on is going to be one for the ages.

2873
02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:44,479
Rip Hulk. May you no longer worry about being rolled

2874
02:32:44,559 --> 02:32:48,680
up from behind? Yeah? He still listen. That's that's far

2875
02:32:48,799 --> 02:32:55,920
from over, far from over, absolutely absolutely far from over. Well,

2876
02:32:56,239 --> 02:32:58,360
well you've been well, you've been giving on. Jesus. Dude

2877
02:32:58,600 --> 02:33:04,319
keeps looking at me. Brother, what what dude? Is he

2878
02:33:05,719 --> 02:33:09,520
uprotherer is the Christ Child tring? Roam me up, dude.

2879
02:33:10,840 --> 02:33:13,440
I'm dude, I'm on to dig that voodoo child.

2880
02:33:15,360 --> 02:33:18,040
Speaker 2: Andrew nails it. He just writes, OMG Bash of the

2881
02:33:18,040 --> 02:33:19,719
Beach ninety four episode anticipated this.

2882
02:33:19,959 --> 02:33:20,760
Speaker 1: I have no words.

2883
02:33:20,799 --> 02:33:25,120
Speaker 2: You two spoke this into reality. Mike writes, Hogan being

2884
02:33:25,159 --> 02:33:28,360
at paid mouthpiece for Orlando's tourism reminds me of Antonio

2885
02:33:28,360 --> 02:33:30,520
and OKI's later years as a diplomat, where he was

2886
02:33:30,600 --> 02:33:32,959
essentially paid to read a script for whatever country he

2887
02:33:33,079 --> 02:33:36,280
was visiting. Yes, this is my point. Hulk is for sale.

2888
02:33:36,440 --> 02:33:39,920
It's not new, Yes, exactly exactly. Pulk performs for the

2889
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:41,040
audience in front of him.

2890
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:45,159
Speaker 1: He's been for sales and see got in the professional wrestling.

2891
02:33:44,920 --> 02:33:49,639
Speaker 2: That's correct, But he's ironically where he hardly ever sold, right, Alan,

2892
02:33:49,719 --> 02:33:51,639
thank you very much for your pledge and welcome into

2893
02:33:51,639 --> 02:33:55,319
the TLF solar system at the Eptier. No less, Kirk

2894
02:33:55,479 --> 02:33:58,879
wants us to know quote wrestling school again again, never

2895
02:33:58,959 --> 02:34:01,879
has been, never will be. So so much for those

2896
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:04,120
remarks during the Bash of the Beach ninety four broadcast,

2897
02:34:04,840 --> 02:34:06,280
Wrestling's cool again.

2898
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Now, I'm sorry you know that is, without a doubt,

2899
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:13,120
one of the worst fucking things I've ever heard. The

2900
02:34:13,159 --> 02:34:16,079
world is watching now? What the world is watching?

2901
02:34:16,200 --> 02:34:16,360
Speaker 3: Now?

2902
02:34:16,760 --> 02:34:22,479
Speaker 1: Hey, Wrestling's cool again? No new news.

2903
02:34:22,719 --> 02:34:24,840
Speaker 2: Now we're pushing on the mail bag side a little

2904
02:34:24,879 --> 02:34:28,840
bit just before the news came out about Hull Cogen

2905
02:34:28,879 --> 02:34:30,200
and some of the comments we got on a Batch

2906
02:34:30,239 --> 02:34:32,520
of the Beach episode before that was the overwhelming sentiment.

2907
02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:35,680
Sean writes, Shaq would already qualify for Under the Cinemat

2908
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:38,079
due to his tag match against Cody at aw because

2909
02:34:38,079 --> 02:34:40,040
we talked about how Shak's participation in Bashed at the

2910
02:34:40,040 --> 02:34:42,840
Beach qualifies like Blue Chips and other movies like that.

2911
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:45,239
Speaker 1: Well also, I mean, I was gonna say also his

2912
02:34:45,360 --> 02:34:47,040
TNA stuff too, So I don't even know he had

2913
02:34:47,079 --> 02:34:48,440
a match he wrestled Code.

2914
02:34:48,520 --> 02:34:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that a tag match cod during the can Denis

2915
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:53,959
towards the tail end. They may have had fans back. Yeah,

2916
02:34:54,920 --> 02:34:56,680
that was a big deal. They were supposed to involve

2917
02:34:56,760 --> 02:34:58,600
a Brandy but she got hurt, so they had a

2918
02:34:59,840 --> 02:35:02,120
h oh my god, what is it?

2919
02:35:02,200 --> 02:35:04,879
Speaker 1: Red? What's her first name? I forgot her name?

2920
02:35:05,959 --> 02:35:10,920
Speaker 2: Team with a Red bashing team with Cody, Shaq would

2921
02:35:10,920 --> 02:35:12,959
already qualify for UTC. Yep, I'm sure there must be

2922
02:35:13,000 --> 02:35:14,799
a story behind the match that never happened. In him

2923
02:35:14,840 --> 02:35:16,680
and Big Show, which was teased a few times in

2924
02:35:16,799 --> 02:35:18,600
w Yeah, they wanted to put together Shaquilla and Neil

2925
02:35:18,680 --> 02:35:20,799
versus Big Show for WrestleMania one year, but it didn't happen.

2926
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:22,399
And then Shaq was in that Battle Royal, so he

2927
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:23,319
definitely counts there.

2928
02:35:23,440 --> 02:35:27,159
Speaker 1: He was in there. He in Dallas, He's done plenty twenty,

2929
02:35:27,399 --> 02:35:31,760
totally qualified. So also Regal talked about facing a nook. Yeah,

2930
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:33,879
we talked about why Steve Regal and Andok had a

2931
02:35:33,920 --> 02:35:36,639
confrontation on the Bash of the Beach broadcast. Yes, and

2932
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:39,040
Sean notes that Regal talked about facing a nook in

2933
02:35:39,079 --> 02:35:41,639
his short lived podcast, apparently in OKI's retirement. Tourtali was

2934
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:44,159
about facing wrestlers of all different styles and he wanted

2935
02:35:44,200 --> 02:35:46,680
a Wigan snake Pit trained heavyweight, of which Regal could

2936
02:35:46,680 --> 02:35:49,879
meet the criteria. So there you go. Wow, I'll throw

2937
02:35:49,959 --> 02:35:53,040
back to Billy Robinson that I'm that.

2938
02:35:53,120 --> 02:35:55,360
Speaker 2: I have no doubt Corey wants to take issue. Come on, boys,

2939
02:35:55,440 --> 02:35:57,319
Jesse said it over and over, and I vehemently agree.

2940
02:35:57,559 --> 02:35:59,959
Jim Brenzel had the greatest drop kick in the world,

2941
02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:03,680
full stop, never matched. No, that's not an open and

2942
02:36:03,719 --> 02:36:07,680
shutcase to you. No, I don't like uh Brunzell's a

2943
02:36:07,719 --> 02:36:11,360
fucking piece of shit. Perfect, That's perfect, no question.

2944
02:36:11,399 --> 02:36:13,000
Speaker 1: Wait, the way he held the hand under the chin

2945
02:36:13,079 --> 02:36:16,639
before he launched, yep, the way, the way like he

2946
02:36:16,760 --> 02:36:19,440
had just a perfect standing drop kick, and he would

2947
02:36:19,479 --> 02:36:23,159
he would get incredible height and he would connect so brilliantly. No,

2948
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:28,319
I just I also, I just don't like Jim Brenze,

2949
02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:30,319
like I can't. I don't the face is tough. I

2950
02:36:30,360 --> 02:36:32,680
don't face is tough. I don't like looking at him,

2951
02:36:32,719 --> 02:36:35,879
and I don't. I don't just don't enjoy his matches

2952
02:36:36,040 --> 02:36:39,040
that much, So go fuck himself.

2953
02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:42,319
Speaker 2: This, of course, from our Best of WWF Volume eight

2954
02:36:42,520 --> 02:36:45,120
coverage in the Colisseum Collection. Corey also writes, because we're

2955
02:36:45,120 --> 02:36:46,920
talking about when Brett and jim had first formed a

2956
02:36:46,959 --> 02:36:49,840
tag team, Brett and Jim had time together, he informs

2957
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:52,479
us in Calgary and the WWF Nightheart was with Jimmy,

2958
02:36:52,520 --> 02:36:54,399
and that was when Bundy was still with Jimmy. They

2959
02:36:54,440 --> 02:36:57,120
even teased a Bundy Knightheart tag team. This is right

2960
02:36:57,280 --> 02:37:00,319
when Brett was transitioning from Cowboy Brett Hard. I remember

2961
02:37:00,479 --> 02:37:02,239
WWF he started as cowboy bred Hart.

2962
02:37:02,479 --> 02:37:03,879
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is suppressed, and.

2963
02:37:03,879 --> 02:37:06,000
Speaker 2: The commentators were noticing his heel tactics in the ring,

2964
02:37:06,079 --> 02:37:08,079
even though he hadn't really officially gone bad yet. The

2965
02:37:08,159 --> 02:37:11,520
Heart Foundation formed very quickly after that. Corey's always the

2966
02:37:11,559 --> 02:37:13,920
best at remembering those when we were two years old,

2967
02:37:14,040 --> 02:37:16,680
stuff that they just lose to time unless you are

2968
02:37:16,680 --> 02:37:19,639
watching week to week. Will Randolph want to thank you

2969
02:37:19,719 --> 02:37:21,280
very much for bumping up your pledge same to you,

2970
02:37:21,479 --> 02:37:24,600
Ah Richard. That's a deeply appreciated doubling of that coinage

2971
02:37:24,639 --> 02:37:27,719
to your co chairs Jeremy, thank you very much, Cody

2972
02:37:27,799 --> 02:37:31,360
writes to mine in Tampa. No, you're in contempt. Nice

2973
02:37:33,559 --> 02:37:35,159
one of the one of the better moments.

2974
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:37,440
Speaker 1: That was so fucking great.

2975
02:37:41,360 --> 02:37:44,159
Speaker 2: John writes, co chairman, longtime listener and Patreon member here.

2976
02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:45,680
Haven't written in a while, but in light of the

2977
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:47,680
conversation about Thunder and Paradise ter in the Bash of

2978
02:37:47,719 --> 02:37:49,760
the Beach ninety four episode, I felt it necessary to change.

2979
02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:51,959
I'll cut right to the chase. Within the last two years,

2980
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:54,040
I've managed to watch every episode of Thunder and Paradise

2981
02:37:54,120 --> 02:37:57,000
on YouTube. I'm sorry I have a particular nostalgia connection

2982
02:37:57,079 --> 02:37:59,319
at that time period when wrestling overlap with another interest

2983
02:37:59,360 --> 02:38:01,959
of mine, Disney World. They learned not long ago the

2984
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:03,920
show is not only filmed on sound stages at the park,

2985
02:38:03,959 --> 02:38:06,559
but also in the parks. There were entire episodes filmed

2986
02:38:06,719 --> 02:38:09,600
on the Indiana Jones Stunt show stage, and in the

2987
02:38:09,639 --> 02:38:12,120
episode they do the stunts that they do in the

2988
02:38:12,159 --> 02:38:15,159
actual Disney show and the Morocco Pavilion at Epcot. The

2989
02:38:15,200 --> 02:38:18,000
living sees Aquarium and Epcot, and there's literally an episode

2990
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:20,719
where they just go to the Magic Kingdom. Not only that,

2991
02:38:20,840 --> 02:38:22,680
but there are so many wrestlers in it, from Beefcake

2992
02:38:22,680 --> 02:38:26,840
Brutus to Jim Knightheart Tuggers, Terry Funk, Jimmy Hart, Gian Gonzales,

2993
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:29,520
not to mention, Sting had a season long story arc

2994
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:31,760
as the primary heel. I know you guys are tough

2995
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:34,000
on it, and rightfully so, because it's pretty terrible, but

2996
02:38:34,079 --> 02:38:36,760
it's very much in that so bad it's good category

2997
02:38:36,920 --> 02:38:39,079
and takes me back to pretty good place mentally.

2998
02:38:39,639 --> 02:38:43,799
Speaker 1: Boss do with Thunder and Paradise Journey. This is the

2999
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:47,159
playlist on YouTube, he gives us with love the episodes. Wow,

3000
02:38:47,479 --> 02:38:49,760
it's there. Well, take a look at it. I don't

3001
02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:51,920
know if I'm I don't know if I can care,

3002
02:38:52,719 --> 02:38:56,079
but that's a lot I have. Listen, I have plans.

3003
02:38:56,440 --> 02:38:58,600
Although we'll see that's a tantalizing remark.

3004
02:38:59,639 --> 02:39:01,280
Speaker 2: They did it few two partters. He writes that I

3005
02:39:01,319 --> 02:39:04,440
think we're released as DVD movies. I recommended episodes. Yeah

3006
02:39:04,479 --> 02:39:07,399
that I that I that I know I would actually

3007
02:39:07,479 --> 02:39:13,200
be down with doing movies. I don't think like yeah,

3008
02:39:13,360 --> 02:39:15,200
like there because like the I mean we did the

3009
02:39:15,280 --> 02:39:19,399
original one, which was done as a movie. How many

3010
02:39:19,440 --> 02:39:20,399
episodes are there there?

3011
02:39:20,760 --> 02:39:23,280
Speaker 1: Well, no, they really actually it's not I mean it's

3012
02:39:23,399 --> 02:39:26,479
it's it's not awful, right, you know, it's it's twenty

3013
02:39:26,639 --> 02:39:30,799
twenty two episodes, which we could probably do, you know,

3014
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:34,479
like the problem I'll tell you what the problem with

3015
02:39:35,120 --> 02:39:36,959
the problem with TV shows And this is what I

3016
02:39:37,559 --> 02:39:41,760
what I discovered during Twin Peaks is that there's not

3017
02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:46,799
a lot written about the creation of individual episodes. It's

3018
02:39:46,799 --> 02:39:52,440
about the show as a whole. And so while it's

3019
02:39:52,799 --> 02:39:56,159
you know, like it was, it was it was actually

3020
02:39:56,360 --> 02:39:58,440
it was hard to kind of figure out what to

3021
02:39:58,600 --> 02:40:01,639
say for what episodes for the Twin Peaks, for the

3022
02:40:01,799 --> 02:40:06,200
David Lynch tribute, because we're squeezing. I was trying to get,

3023
02:40:06,479 --> 02:40:10,200
you know, eight episodes of television into what four episodes

3024
02:40:10,239 --> 02:40:12,600
of the show, and so it's it's just it's just

3025
02:40:12,760 --> 02:40:19,799
hard because they it's just it's not as you know,

3026
02:40:19,920 --> 02:40:23,559
you've got a longer span of time where a lot

3027
02:40:23,639 --> 02:40:26,639
of stuff's happening at the same time versus a movie.

3028
02:40:27,239 --> 02:40:30,000
It's like, you know, from this period to this period,

3029
02:40:30,440 --> 02:40:32,479
everyone's focusing on this movie or at least I can

3030
02:40:32,559 --> 02:40:35,520
find information about focusing on this movie, but doing a

3031
02:40:35,600 --> 02:40:38,840
whole show is is that That's been That's been one

3032
02:40:38,879 --> 02:40:40,959
of the one of the reasons why I've been a

3033
02:40:41,000 --> 02:40:44,840
little bit apprehensive for doing full on seasons and why

3034
02:40:45,159 --> 02:40:49,719
the Twin Peaks one. Doing seven episodes was better, was easier,

3035
02:40:49,799 --> 02:40:51,920
you know, because there was ways to space it out.

3036
02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:55,559
But you know, maybe doing one of the one of

3037
02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:57,520
the TV movies on it'll be about it in addition

3038
02:40:57,600 --> 02:41:01,680
to you know what I'm thinking about out But that's interesting.

3039
02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:04,040
I didn't think about that. Yeah, I'm not opposed to it.

3040
02:41:04,079 --> 02:41:04,799
I'm not opposed to it.

3041
02:41:04,920 --> 02:41:07,479
Speaker 2: He recommends episode six and seven, a two parter that

3042
02:41:07,559 --> 02:41:10,120
mostly takes place in Epcot's Morocco and the Indian and

3043
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:12,920
Jones stunt show. It's technically really bad TV. I won't

3044
02:41:12,959 --> 02:41:14,799
beat around the Bush brother, but I'd be lying if

3045
02:41:14,799 --> 02:41:17,040
I said I didn't enjoy it on a purely nostalgic level.

3046
02:41:17,079 --> 02:41:19,799
It also features Tuggers. Lastly, if you want to see Hogan,

3047
02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:22,840
oh my god, that's big. If you want to see

3048
02:41:22,879 --> 02:41:24,440
Hogan thirsty as fuck, I'm ruining this match with the

3049
02:41:24,479 --> 02:41:27,040
Jaqura Show. In nineteen ninety seven, as well as a

3050
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:29,440
very random rat music video with the Quebecer's watched the

3051
02:41:29,440 --> 02:41:31,079
first ten minutes of this Thank you for the link.

3052
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:34,000
You can find it as ww fancam footage. That was

3053
02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:35,879
the night that a Hogan got rolled up by Chakra

3054
02:41:35,959 --> 02:41:37,799
Shou in the middle of the Hollywood Hogan run.

3055
02:41:38,840 --> 02:41:41,440
Speaker 1: It might be interesting to do you know, because we

3056
02:41:41,520 --> 02:41:44,159
did do the I know, we did the first, the

3057
02:41:44,239 --> 02:41:50,280
first the pilot of Thunder and Paradise for the main show,

3058
02:41:50,319 --> 02:41:54,239
that it might be interesting. I was thinking the series

3059
02:41:54,319 --> 02:42:01,079
finale is also a two part a two part episode,

3060
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:04,280
so that might be maybe something to consider it too fascinating.

3061
02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:09,159
I'm sufficiently intrigued. I'm intrigued. I'm definitely intrigued by you

3062
02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:11,520
do you think, especially because it's not a full on

3063
02:42:12,360 --> 02:42:15,239
especially because it is like a you know, I forget

3064
02:42:15,239 --> 02:42:18,360
that there weren't multiple seasons. It was just one season

3065
02:42:19,159 --> 02:42:23,760
with you know, all right, well I will I'll take

3066
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:26,319
him in consideration. Here's her turning. I can hear him.

3067
02:42:26,319 --> 02:42:29,680
Here's turning. Yeah, I know the man gears are turning. Yep.

3068
02:42:30,040 --> 02:42:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sorry it was Greg not John that brought

3069
02:42:32,360 --> 02:42:40,799
us that missus huge doubles Cross there talked about Hasbro's

3070
02:42:41,239 --> 02:42:43,760
We talked about Hasbro signing with WCW maybe in ninety

3071
02:42:43,799 --> 02:42:47,559
one or ninety four or whatever when they left WWF. Yeah,

3072
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:50,120
and someone made a good point like, Hasbro isn't about

3073
02:42:50,159 --> 02:42:52,159
the fucking steroid shit. You know they must have been like,

3074
02:42:52,239 --> 02:42:54,520
fuck this, Yeah, we don't want to make a tour

3075
02:42:54,920 --> 02:42:57,440
steroid monster, right, Ryan Rights, I would.

3076
02:42:57,200 --> 02:42:57,559
Speaker 1: Have left it.

3077
02:42:57,719 --> 02:43:00,200
Speaker 2: Ninety five ninety eight w CW was my favorite motion.

3078
02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:02,000
I think I get the idea Hasbro wanted to get

3079
02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:04,719
away from wrestling because of the steroids stuff. Yes, me too, Ryan,

3080
02:43:04,799 --> 02:43:07,559
But what about Evader Hasbro at ninety five?

3081
02:43:07,639 --> 02:43:09,520
Speaker 1: What about but what about the what about? What about

3082
02:43:09,559 --> 02:43:12,559
the cash? All right? Listen, yes they may be avoid Listen,

3083
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:17,440
you're you're you're treating toy companies as if morals outweigh

3084
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:18,360
the dolls.

3085
02:43:18,479 --> 02:43:21,000
Speaker 2: W W was hoovering up everything else. W WW had

3086
02:43:21,040 --> 02:43:23,760
they brought the slim GYM sponsorship over, like why not

3087
02:43:23,920 --> 02:43:24,799
just call Hasbro?

3088
02:43:25,000 --> 02:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Man? I know, because they decided to do the fucking

3089
02:43:27,360 --> 02:43:30,280
LJM ripoffs and the Star which just were not good.

3090
02:43:30,440 --> 02:43:34,000
Speaker 2: And can you imagine thinking yourself as a Hasbro kid, right,

3091
02:43:34,719 --> 02:43:36,520
and think of you being aware that Hogan goes to

3092
02:43:36,639 --> 02:43:38,920
WCW and to your point, thinking Hogan was more w

3093
02:43:39,000 --> 02:43:39,760
CW wrestler.

3094
02:43:40,280 --> 02:43:43,920
Speaker 1: They came out with I Hasbros. I dreamed. Listen, when

3095
02:43:43,959 --> 02:43:48,000
I was a kid, I dreamed that I would eventually

3096
02:43:48,159 --> 02:43:52,000
have a Hasbro with Hogan with the bright you know,

3097
02:43:52,159 --> 02:43:58,440
almost me on yellow hulks your shirt. Like I dreamed

3098
02:43:58,479 --> 02:44:00,799
that that was going to happen, Like, oh my god,

3099
02:44:00,920 --> 02:44:02,520
Like this is going to be crazy. We're going to

3100
02:44:02,600 --> 02:44:05,200
get a whole new I said, there's no reason not to.

3101
02:44:05,399 --> 02:44:11,760
Like I really equated Hasbro with Hogan, And I said,

3102
02:44:11,799 --> 02:44:13,760
and especially when I realized that they weren't coming out

3103
02:44:13,799 --> 02:44:16,719
with anymore and they were like nowhere to be found

3104
02:44:16,760 --> 02:44:19,360
in the toy stores, it's like, well, maybe WW will

3105
02:44:19,360 --> 02:44:23,559
do the right thing. They didn't, but I hoped, yes,

3106
02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:26,879
I mean cause it's kind of funny they did. You know,

3107
02:44:27,079 --> 02:44:31,200
those the second wave of figures were kind of like

3108
02:44:31,319 --> 02:44:33,840
Hasbro's but they were still big and they were clunky

3109
02:44:33,920 --> 02:44:37,479
and stupid, you know, because they did have They didn't

3110
02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:40,319
come out with a second wave of those WCW figures

3111
02:44:40,319 --> 02:44:43,719
where they were harder plastic. They weren't the rubber and

3112
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:49,079
they did do like moves and stuff like they oddly

3113
02:44:49,239 --> 02:44:53,319
did the Hasbros. But just they weren't good hasbros. You know, yeah,

3114
02:44:53,360 --> 02:44:54,840
they kind of took a stab at it. But I

3115
02:44:54,920 --> 02:44:57,680
invite you to consider a stunning Steve Austin Hasbro. I

3116
02:44:57,760 --> 02:44:59,280
would have gotten, oh listen, I would have had it,

3117
02:44:59,399 --> 02:45:06,600
no question in my pocket. Done, purchased, Thank you, Okay,

3118
02:45:06,639 --> 02:45:15,399
thank you, happy purchased, well put. I love it so much, Matthew,

3119
02:45:15,479 --> 02:45:17,239
thank you very much. Yeah, because I'm looking I'm looking

3120
02:45:17,239 --> 02:45:19,120
at them like, yeah, like the ninety six, I'm looking

3121
02:45:19,159 --> 02:45:22,479
at a Hogan one that was the hard plastic with

3122
02:45:22,680 --> 02:45:27,239
like movable things, was still very much like the idiotic

3123
02:45:28,440 --> 02:45:35,719
LJN ripoffs, but there was I don't know, like try

3124
02:45:35,799 --> 02:45:37,879
me press button, like there was a button out pressed.

3125
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:40,920
Now I don't know what the fuck is going on here,

3126
02:45:41,639 --> 02:45:48,440
but you know, again, nice things we can't done purchased,

3127
02:45:48,719 --> 02:45:52,760
not a problem. Love it, Matthew Lenetis. Thank you very

3128
02:45:52,840 --> 02:45:54,479
much for that pledge. We appreciate it. Welcome in.

3129
02:45:54,959 --> 02:45:57,079
Speaker 2: Craig writes, hull Kogi's is less than an hour from me,

3130
02:45:57,159 --> 02:45:59,879
and I just found out it existed, and I'm pretty

3131
02:45:59,879 --> 02:46:02,239
sure to create followed up with a next post that

3132
02:46:02,319 --> 02:46:06,000
we retweeted of the actress sign yeah his brother the

3133
02:46:06,079 --> 02:46:07,680
door in the window too.

3134
02:46:08,600 --> 02:46:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3135
02:46:08,879 --> 02:46:11,440
Speaker 2: Christopher writes, you know that idea of w W Hasbros's genius.

3136
02:46:11,479 --> 02:46:13,239
Can't believe ws W never did that or at least

3137
02:46:13,280 --> 02:46:18,000
copy the styling. Bree wrts. This is a great point,

3138
02:46:18,360 --> 02:46:20,440
you know when we go through the uh the Randy

3139
02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:23,200
Savage on Radio WWF Knock and Hull Cogan with Jim Ross. Yes,

3140
02:46:23,399 --> 02:46:25,399
we did that on the March to the Mains nine.

3141
02:46:27,000 --> 02:46:30,959
We forgot that we did it again. That's why Master

3142
02:46:31,079 --> 02:46:33,399
of the Phone came off as so fucking epic, because

3143
02:46:33,440 --> 02:46:34,040
I think that's.

3144
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:38,639
Speaker 1: Where it came from. That's fucking funny. In case you

3145
02:46:38,680 --> 02:46:40,399
don't know what it's like to have cast it. As

3146
02:46:40,440 --> 02:46:42,440
long as we've cast that's yeah right.

3147
02:46:44,520 --> 02:46:45,920
Speaker 2: Jeff writes, I don't know about you guys, but I

3148
02:46:45,920 --> 02:46:48,479
always protect my brand by having sex with my friend's

3149
02:46:48,520 --> 02:46:55,879
wife and spewing racial epithets. Ryan Wright's hell co chairs

3150
02:46:55,959 --> 02:46:58,479
Love and Bash ninety four shows between discussions and parts

3151
02:46:58,520 --> 02:47:00,000
one and two plus reflecting a bit and what would

3152
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:02,120
happened two years later at the same event. Sadly it

3153
02:47:02,159 --> 02:47:04,520
appears the Orlando Arena is gone, but Ocean Center is

3154
02:47:04,559 --> 02:47:06,920
still there from the ninety six event. Any future pilgrimage

3155
02:47:06,959 --> 02:47:12,520
plans at the Ocean Center? Hey, or have you guys

3156
02:47:12,559 --> 02:47:13,760
been either location in the past?

3157
02:47:13,799 --> 02:47:13,879
Speaker 3: Now?

3158
02:47:13,959 --> 02:47:15,760
Speaker 2: I have not been to the Ocean Center or the

3159
02:47:15,879 --> 02:47:18,680
Orlando Arena, No never. I did go to the Fort

3160
02:47:18,719 --> 02:47:20,719
hesserli Armory in Tampa one time, though, just to look

3161
02:47:20,760 --> 02:47:23,440
look at the window. Yeah, I've always just look in

3162
02:47:23,479 --> 02:47:26,680
the wind closly going on. And you don't hear me

3163
02:47:26,719 --> 02:47:28,559
tell the story where I got so close to the

3164
02:47:28,639 --> 02:47:30,479
glass so I could see inside, and then I realized

3165
02:47:30,479 --> 02:47:32,200
there was shit smeared on the glass right in front

3166
02:47:32,200 --> 02:47:32,600
of my face.

3167
02:47:32,799 --> 02:47:34,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's all horrible.

3168
02:47:36,639 --> 02:47:38,799
Speaker 2: I've always thought of WCW getting the Hasbro deal too,

3169
02:47:38,879 --> 02:47:40,520
starting in ninety five. It would have been so much

3170
02:47:40,559 --> 02:47:44,799
better than the ostms. That's original San Francisco toymakers, right.

3171
02:47:45,159 --> 02:47:47,719
I think maybe Hasbro wanted out of wrestling altogether after

3172
02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:50,200
the steroids scandals. But today, with all the Hasbro style

3173
02:47:50,239 --> 02:47:53,399
figures being made by Mattell and boutique companies, ww Hasbro's

3174
02:47:53,440 --> 02:47:55,479
do now exist to some extent, and I really hope

3175
02:47:55,479 --> 02:47:57,559
many more come in the next few years. Does Boss

3176
02:47:57,600 --> 02:47:59,920
Man still collect the Mattel retros? Has he started up

3177
02:48:00,159 --> 02:48:02,319
with any of the ones from the Batique brands? Boss

3178
02:48:03,239 --> 02:48:08,680
the what, Yes, Yes, I I I have I do.

3179
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:14,479
I I got the Kurt Fuller one at UH at

3180
02:48:14,559 --> 02:48:18,239
Comic Con last year in New York. I do want

3181
02:48:18,280 --> 02:48:20,040
a bunch of them. They are so cool. I just

3182
02:48:20,200 --> 02:48:25,040
you know, there's a part of me that's like a

3183
02:48:25,120 --> 02:48:27,399
part of me that's like the apartment. It's like, yeah,

3184
02:48:27,559 --> 02:48:31,159
fucking really. But then there's like, I don't know, know,

3185
02:48:31,319 --> 02:48:34,319
it's We're at that point, man, We've gotten all the

3186
02:48:35,000 --> 02:48:37,600
nostalgic charge we can get out of this stuff, you know,

3187
02:48:38,040 --> 02:48:38,879
cod COVID just.

3188
02:48:39,959 --> 02:48:42,680
Speaker 1: Like like they did a fucking a whole bunch of

3189
02:48:44,920 --> 02:48:48,760
They did a whole bunch of uh like one of

3190
02:48:48,799 --> 02:48:52,200
the like they have some really cool Savage ones, And

3191
02:48:52,280 --> 02:48:54,719
I'm like, oh, man, Like it's like, because you know

3192
02:48:54,799 --> 02:48:57,280
the one thing that I I I am always bummed

3193
02:48:57,280 --> 02:49:01,040
about with with again this is this is this is

3194
02:49:01,319 --> 02:49:07,719
this is a unique thing being a ninety one WWE

3195
02:49:07,879 --> 02:49:12,399
fan like coming into matt Era because everyone for the

3196
02:49:12,479 --> 02:49:17,200
most part loves Randy Savage from the late eighties with

3197
02:49:18,079 --> 02:49:24,239
the robe, the headband, the regular wrestling trunks, right, I

3198
02:49:24,280 --> 02:49:29,159
don't like that. I like the fully clothed Savage from

3199
02:49:29,280 --> 02:49:32,799
nineteen ninety two. That's, you know, the Savage who was

3200
02:49:32,879 --> 02:49:35,280
wearing clothes because he was embarrassed about his lack of

3201
02:49:35,719 --> 02:49:41,559
steroid body. That to me is quintessential Randy Savage. And

3202
02:49:41,680 --> 02:49:45,760
the only Randy Savage they made at hasbro of Like

3203
02:49:45,879 --> 02:49:49,440
that is awful. Right, it's one of the pushdown ones.

3204
02:49:50,479 --> 02:49:52,840
You know, the hat on his head, You get the

3205
02:49:52,879 --> 02:49:57,239
hat on his head to get the make him looking right,

3206
02:49:57,399 --> 02:50:01,639
the fucking with you, I know. But now they've got people,

3207
02:50:01,639 --> 02:50:04,680
they've done some of those that look like that, like

3208
02:50:04,760 --> 02:50:08,360
they've got hold together. They got Savage. I shut up,

3209
02:50:08,760 --> 02:50:11,040
I mean you do, that's what you want? I know,

3210
02:50:11,920 --> 02:50:12,159
I do.

3211
02:50:12,399 --> 02:50:12,600
Speaker 3: I know.

3212
02:50:13,280 --> 02:50:17,799
Speaker 1: They get Savage in his WrestleMania eight attire, like it's

3213
02:50:18,879 --> 02:50:24,719
it's so great and they got one like hey, they

3214
02:50:25,040 --> 02:50:29,000
just just as amazing these retro figures. They do a

3215
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:31,600
great job with them. Somebody say it like it's so

3216
02:50:31,760 --> 02:50:34,000
unfortunate that they do a great job with them, because

3217
02:50:34,040 --> 02:50:37,239
I can't just dismiss it, get right, because I want

3218
02:50:37,319 --> 02:50:41,280
it now. And it's like, come on, I can't forty yes,

3219
02:50:43,879 --> 02:50:47,200
except there have so many. I've seen the studio. I know,

3220
02:50:48,040 --> 02:50:51,520
I know it's a mess, and I love them and

3221
02:50:51,600 --> 02:50:57,360
I want more. Let's fucking go. You want to talk

3222
02:50:57,360 --> 02:51:01,200
about the sickness, No, that's it is. It's the sickness

3223
02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:03,920
of having this. Look. I'm going to send you. I'm

3224
02:51:03,920 --> 02:51:06,559
going to send you one here. Look this, this is

3225
02:51:07,200 --> 02:51:11,360
like this is what they they make now in these things,

3226
02:51:11,399 --> 02:51:16,840
and like they're just so great looking, you know, opening

3227
02:51:17,239 --> 02:51:22,239
Savage in his WrestleMania to go okay, oh fuck, it

3228
02:51:22,280 --> 02:51:28,520
looks incredible. Rights, it kind of does look like Steve

3229
02:51:28,559 --> 02:51:32,559
Williams about the head, though, man, I don't care. It's

3230
02:51:32,639 --> 02:51:34,959
it's the color of the and it's the fact that

3231
02:51:35,040 --> 02:51:40,159
it's you know, uh sleeves, the sleeves are tasseled and yeah, yeah,

3232
02:51:40,399 --> 02:51:42,360
it's all those things. And look at this other one,

3233
02:51:42,440 --> 02:51:44,719
like these two here, like they just they look so great,

3234
02:51:45,959 --> 02:51:49,600
they really are. And and so it just what position

3235
02:51:49,639 --> 02:51:51,920
does that put you in? Exactly? Like what are you

3236
02:51:51,959 --> 02:51:54,719
supposed to do with this? Holy shit? Here's here's another

3237
02:51:54,760 --> 02:51:57,239
one like this is like, this is this is the problem.

3238
02:51:58,239 --> 02:51:59,760
Hold on, I'm going to send you this one. Now,

3239
02:52:01,840 --> 02:52:04,479
this is the problem. He says, this is, this is,

3240
02:52:04,559 --> 02:52:07,639
this is the problem. These are the problems that that

3241
02:52:08,440 --> 02:52:13,600
you know, these people put on adults like me who

3242
02:52:13,959 --> 02:52:16,959
just you know, don't want to be an adult, right,

3243
02:52:17,879 --> 02:52:25,559
you know this is that was fucking perfect, perfect delivery.

3244
02:52:28,120 --> 02:52:31,200
This one, now, this is just fucking fantastic, Like this

3245
02:52:31,360 --> 02:52:35,079
is the uh, this is the Mall's version of Zoro,

3246
02:52:35,159 --> 02:52:37,399
of one that I remember reading a night Like that's

3247
02:52:37,440 --> 02:52:41,200
what he is, that fucking People magazine, the Mall's version

3248
02:52:41,280 --> 02:52:45,000
of Zora. I'll never forget that People magually not knowing

3249
02:52:45,040 --> 02:52:47,879
who Randy Savage is and calling him the Mall's version

3250
02:52:47,959 --> 02:52:57,719
of Zoro. Idiots, fucking morons, like he's got checkered floor

3251
02:52:57,799 --> 02:53:02,040
for an outfit. Yeah, Like, I just why are you

3252
02:53:02,239 --> 02:53:04,920
doing these things? Man? Why are you making them so great?

3253
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:10,639
Just it's a curse. It's a curse. And the thing is,

3254
02:53:10,719 --> 02:53:12,879
you know, I'll tell you what, I definitely have an

3255
02:53:12,879 --> 02:53:15,920
easier time buying them if they didn't cost forty bucks.

3256
02:53:17,319 --> 02:53:19,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I have to say, like one of the

3257
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:22,600
best parts of the Unwrappiding every Christmas is when we

3258
02:53:22,680 --> 02:53:26,520
split the bounty at the end and see your face

3259
02:53:26,639 --> 02:53:29,040
be like, I'll take that one, like you know you

3260
02:53:29,159 --> 02:53:29,440
want it.

3261
02:53:30,840 --> 02:53:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'll have it. I I'll have to

3262
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:36,200
have that. Fine, fine, all right, I'll take that one.

3263
02:53:36,399 --> 02:53:40,799
Just fucking don't say anything about this. I just I

3264
02:53:40,959 --> 02:53:43,639
just kind of really want it. I just want it.

3265
02:53:43,639 --> 02:53:47,559
When I assess it, I want all Like listen, I

3266
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:50,520
want them all. I know is that art like like

3267
02:53:50,959 --> 02:53:53,040
like they say, collect them all? Yeah, I want them all.

3268
02:53:53,440 --> 02:53:56,879
All right, I want them all. Where do we go

3269
02:53:56,959 --> 02:54:00,399
from here? But I can't. Right, they have they they

3270
02:54:00,479 --> 02:54:03,360
have a series of bulldog ones too, like they've got

3271
02:54:03,440 --> 02:54:05,280
they've got whoever, you know, I don't know all the

3272
02:54:05,280 --> 02:54:07,159
companies that do them, but they got so many different

3273
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:11,319
companies that are making these these these you know, Mack Hasbros.

3274
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:17,799
And there was one. They're there there they have they

3275
02:54:17,879 --> 02:54:21,639
have nineteen ninety four British bulldog, so with the the

3276
02:54:21,719 --> 02:54:27,280
biker shorts and the unbraided hair. You know they've got

3277
02:54:28,559 --> 02:54:32,000
they got a ninety five ninety six bulldog. I think

3278
02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:34,520
they got one with yeah, short hair, and I think

3279
02:54:34,559 --> 02:54:41,600
they got one with Diana. Okay, they've got one. They've

3280
02:54:41,639 --> 02:54:47,559
got a a ninety seven bulldogs with the Heart Foundation vastly.

3281
02:54:47,280 --> 02:54:50,760
Speaker 2: Supposed to do with this man, right, like an emergency.

3282
02:54:54,879 --> 02:54:56,639
It's not just that they had they made one more

3283
02:54:56,680 --> 02:54:59,719
bulldog and I can get a different bulldog Hasbro we

3284
02:54:59,799 --> 02:55:01,959
had do they make six of them? And they're all money?

3285
02:55:02,079 --> 02:55:03,840
Speaker 1: They made them all, they made them all all money.

3286
02:55:03,840 --> 02:55:10,319
They just they just yeah, because they're right, just fuck.

3287
02:55:11,399 --> 02:55:11,559
Speaker 3: You know.

3288
02:55:13,239 --> 02:55:15,920
Speaker 2: Do they ever make any Hogan offshoots? That would be

3289
02:55:16,120 --> 02:55:19,079
very complicated from licensing perspective, And I don't think Yeah.

3290
02:55:19,079 --> 02:55:22,200
I don't think they ever did, because it's uh yeah,

3291
02:55:22,600 --> 02:55:26,639
Marvel has something to say about that, right. Ryan also writes, also,

3292
02:55:26,719 --> 02:55:28,479
do you think Fins thought at one point Hogan would

3293
02:55:28,520 --> 02:55:30,280
be back in ninety four to the FED? I mean

3294
02:55:30,360 --> 02:55:33,000
they did keep selling his merchant the magazine pretty late

3295
02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:35,239
in the ninety three, plus he had Hasbro figure and

3296
02:55:35,280 --> 02:55:38,159
then Standard Line that year, plus the mail away for

3297
02:55:38,280 --> 02:55:40,840
Christmas ninety three. Anyway, thanks guys, and thank you for

3298
02:55:40,879 --> 02:55:44,000
whole comania. Well, I wouldn't be surprised. It's a great bulldog.

3299
02:55:44,520 --> 02:55:47,000
I wouldn't be surprised. I'm gonna show that the back

3300
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:49,360
here too. Look at the back the back of our foundations.

3301
02:55:50,920 --> 02:55:54,559
That's perfect, absolutely perfect. I mean, what the we're looking

3302
02:55:54,559 --> 02:55:57,280
at the guy who won the European title. You know,

3303
02:55:57,319 --> 02:56:00,840
we're looking at the guy who, right, you know, who mattered,

3304
02:56:01,879 --> 02:56:05,959
and I gotta spend forty bucks to get it? Okay,

3305
02:56:06,120 --> 02:56:07,760
well there it goes right out the window.

3306
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:13,360
Speaker 1: So I mean, I can't. I can't there there there

3307
02:56:13,840 --> 02:56:18,120
there are certain things I can't, you know, explain to

3308
02:56:18,200 --> 02:56:18,559
my wife.

3309
02:56:19,200 --> 02:56:21,920
Speaker 2: That's the real stressor of it all, exactly exactly what

3310
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:24,600
it is, like I you can't explain it to yourself.

3311
02:56:24,600 --> 02:56:26,399
I mean you can, but it's still not good enough

3312
02:56:26,440 --> 02:56:29,280
for a reason. Right, And so I was like, where

3313
02:56:29,280 --> 02:56:31,120
did what is this thing? Where did you spend forty

3314
02:56:31,159 --> 02:56:31,600
bucks at this?

3315
02:56:32,440 --> 02:56:32,760
Speaker 1: What is it?

3316
02:56:33,399 --> 02:56:33,639
Speaker 4: You don't?

3317
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold it and look at it. But but

3318
02:56:36,319 --> 02:56:39,120
you understand, like you know, my office, I just gotta

3319
02:56:39,280 --> 02:56:43,399
have a match with I gotta you know, I gotta

3320
02:56:43,399 --> 02:56:46,799
have a match with Sean Michaels. An emergency European you know,

3321
02:56:47,079 --> 02:56:52,159
European forty is an emergency. It is Listen, it's a

3322
02:56:52,360 --> 02:57:00,159
major problem, like a major problem. Like there, yeah, call

3323
02:57:00,200 --> 02:57:00,760
the authorities.

3324
02:57:01,040 --> 02:57:06,079
Speaker 2: Okay, look, I think they would have run all that

3325
02:57:06,159 --> 02:57:08,840
stuff for Hogan's merch just to clear out inventory. Anyway,

3326
02:57:09,399 --> 02:57:13,079
that's he was with the company till like late August technically,

3327
02:57:13,520 --> 02:57:15,280
so there's that too. We just didn't see it in

3328
02:57:15,319 --> 02:57:18,159
the States. Yeah, I think Vince probably thought Hulk would

3329
02:57:18,159 --> 02:57:19,479
come back. I mean, one of the things we covered

3330
02:57:19,520 --> 02:57:21,799
during Bash of the Beach was Vince had matching rights

3331
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:25,360
and there was conversations. It wasn't like Vince was like, fuck,

3332
02:57:25,399 --> 02:57:27,399
you go to sign whatever you want with ww I

3333
02:57:27,440 --> 02:57:28,760
don't want to hear about it. They were back and

3334
02:57:28,879 --> 02:57:33,760
forth until the end, and I just think that, you know,

3335
02:57:34,440 --> 02:57:37,280
the stuff in ninety three does indicate that that Vince

3336
02:57:37,360 --> 02:57:40,639
saw the future with them together. I just don't think

3337
02:57:40,680 --> 02:57:42,360
he thought it would take as long as it did.

3338
02:57:43,440 --> 02:57:45,280
Zach asks, can we get a Hulk HOGI shirt?

3339
02:57:45,319 --> 02:57:47,719
Speaker 1: Please? I don't know if we'll get in trouble for

3340
02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:51,360
that one, but maybe it depends on how we Possibly

3341
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:52,920
it's possible to do sis right.

3342
02:57:53,000 --> 02:57:54,920
Speaker 2: That's how I experienced most of the Hogan era. I

3343
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:57,840
started watching wrestling wrestling at WrestleMania seven. My brother reunted

3344
02:57:57,840 --> 02:57:59,799
the pay per view tapes from eighty five to ninety

3345
02:57:59,799 --> 02:58:01,600
and I caught up as best I could. That's why

3346
02:58:01,639 --> 02:58:03,399
I have a soft spot for the new generation, because

3347
02:58:03,399 --> 02:58:05,040
I'm like the Hogan era. I experience it week to

3348
02:58:05,079 --> 02:58:10,239
week as it happened. Yes, exactly, Vinces and Andrew writes,

3349
02:58:10,319 --> 02:58:13,319
he says competitive organization instead of competitor. I thought that

3350
02:58:13,399 --> 02:58:16,559
was a great catch, because to call it a competitor

3351
02:58:16,680 --> 02:58:18,399
is to put him on a pedestal of actually being

3352
02:58:18,440 --> 02:58:20,920
somebody that you know, competes for your business. But if

3353
02:58:20,959 --> 02:58:23,440
you call it a competitive organization, that makes it sound

3354
02:58:23,479 --> 02:58:25,440
like a group that wants to think of itself as

3355
02:58:25,520 --> 02:58:29,200
being competitive in nature, but doesn't quite rise to the

3356
02:58:29,280 --> 02:58:31,799
level of you calling it your competitor, which I think

3357
02:58:31,879 --> 02:58:34,440
is just That's as Vince McMahon as it gets the

3358
02:58:34,559 --> 02:58:36,959
difference between competitor and competitive organization.

3359
02:58:37,959 --> 02:58:42,360
Speaker 1: The terminology is key, key, all right.

3360
02:58:43,120 --> 02:58:47,079
Speaker 2: Daniel just thrilled by the latest edition of Wrestle Mammia

3361
02:58:47,120 --> 02:58:49,760
with Mama Sorrow and the Moat Tier on the Ultimate

3362
02:58:49,799 --> 02:58:51,840
Warrior Versus Knobs episode.

3363
02:58:53,280 --> 02:58:54,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know.

3364
02:58:54,639 --> 02:58:56,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't listened to this one yet, but Daniel

3365
02:58:56,760 --> 02:58:59,520
says Mama Sorrow and her moral commentary on this one

3366
02:58:59,680 --> 02:59:01,760
was worse a five am start to the day.

3367
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:09,000
Speaker 1: Do you know what he's talking about? I listen, listen.

3368
02:59:09,159 --> 02:59:13,239
It wouldn't be a Wrestle Mammy without my mom's moral commentary.

3369
02:59:15,079 --> 02:59:19,319
But I I don't actually recall what specifically.

3370
02:59:18,799 --> 02:59:20,200
Speaker 3: Oh man, this is.

3371
02:59:20,520 --> 02:59:26,479
Speaker 1: That's tremendously that's just what awaits you, right yep, oh yeah, absolutely.

3372
02:59:26,200 --> 02:59:30,479
Speaker 2: Under the the mote tier. It's it's really fucking amazing.

3373
02:59:30,479 --> 02:59:32,520
Anybody who got a taste of Mama Sorrow as part

3374
02:59:32,559 --> 02:59:35,000
of our a w O Lacard live calls, you know

3375
02:59:35,159 --> 02:59:37,600
what's going on. And that's the thing about Wrestle Mamia. Man,

3376
02:59:37,920 --> 02:59:40,840
there ain't nothing more consistent in the Labstand solar system

3377
02:59:41,079 --> 02:59:44,000
than that Monday Wrestle Mammia drop. Oh yes, you can

3378
02:59:44,079 --> 02:59:45,520
set your watch to it, boss.

3379
02:59:45,399 --> 02:59:50,000
Speaker 1: You can. You can listen every Monday, every Monday.

3380
02:59:50,159 --> 02:59:51,000
Speaker 3: This is you know.

3381
02:59:51,159 --> 02:59:54,040
Speaker 1: This is why I have heard comments in the past

3382
02:59:54,120 --> 02:59:57,799
about about like wait when was this recorded? Well, you know,

3383
02:59:58,920 --> 03:00:00,959
we got a we got a record and batch, so

3384
03:00:01,120 --> 03:00:04,920
we are we are months and months and months ahead

3385
03:00:04,920 --> 03:00:06,600
of time. So I mean I can tell you right

3386
03:00:06,680 --> 03:00:11,319
now that there are shows loaded until the beginning of

3387
03:00:11,399 --> 03:00:11,840
next summer.

3388
03:00:14,280 --> 03:00:17,799
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's how we roll. I think that pretty

3389
03:00:17,879 --> 03:00:22,360
much says it all. Joshua fairly said it all by

3390
03:00:22,399 --> 03:00:25,079
putting that VIP pledge on the table and joining us

3391
03:00:25,159 --> 03:00:27,520
on that corner of things. Andrew writes The beauty of

3392
03:00:27,600 --> 03:00:29,600
TLF as that they'll come across one small trait that

3393
03:00:29,680 --> 03:00:32,040
tells you everything. For Eric Bischoff, it's that he's a

3394
03:00:32,079 --> 03:00:39,280
man who loves to take meetings. For most of us,

3395
03:00:39,319 --> 03:00:41,239
of us, I think, you know, taking a meeting is

3396
03:00:42,600 --> 03:00:43,680
is a step towards a goal.

3397
03:00:44,280 --> 03:00:46,239
Speaker 1: It's not the goal. But I think with Eric it's

3398
03:00:46,319 --> 03:00:48,079
probably the goal. It is the goal.

3399
03:00:48,520 --> 03:00:51,760
Speaker 2: He just he just closes that surface after a zoom

3400
03:00:51,799 --> 03:00:53,959
meeting man, and he's like, oh, that's a honest day's.

3401
03:00:53,760 --> 03:00:58,760
Speaker 1: Worker there, he's he is so fucking thrilled, so fucking

3402
03:00:58,879 --> 03:00:59,639
thrilled with a day.

3403
03:01:00,040 --> 03:01:01,799
Speaker 2: Andrew continues, the peak of his life was when he

3404
03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:03,920
had a secretary. He could utter the phrase set up

3405
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:06,559
a meeting with blank. Two, he set up a meeting

3406
03:01:06,600 --> 03:01:10,399
with Oh, he loves it, he loves it. Ah, I

3407
03:01:10,479 --> 03:01:11,040
want to vomit.

3408
03:01:11,079 --> 03:01:14,479
Speaker 1: They're meeting takers. I mean they're fine. Yeah, yeah, Well,

3409
03:01:15,879 --> 03:01:17,760
brother Mike wants us to know that.

3410
03:01:17,799 --> 03:01:19,639
Speaker 2: Regarding Jimmy Hart's value, we spend a bit of time

3411
03:01:19,639 --> 03:01:21,159
in the Bash of the Beach Show wondering why Hulk

3412
03:01:21,200 --> 03:01:24,760
Cochin tap Jimmy on the show. He says, Bruce Ritchard

3413
03:01:24,760 --> 03:01:26,680
has talked about Jimmy helping with things that weren't his

3414
03:01:26,799 --> 03:01:28,639
job title and being happy to do it. He did

3415
03:01:28,680 --> 03:01:31,159
many of the wrestler's themes with Jim Johnston agent's matches

3416
03:01:31,200 --> 03:01:33,000
despite that not being his responsibility.

3417
03:01:34,639 --> 03:01:38,559
Speaker 1: That I know that I'm fine with. It's it's it's

3418
03:01:38,680 --> 03:01:43,079
actually having the ability to manage somebody's career and like

3419
03:01:43,239 --> 03:01:46,799
the day to day life that's different than anyways. He

3420
03:01:47,040 --> 03:01:49,440
maybe he goes into that. No, that's about the sum

3421
03:01:49,520 --> 03:01:49,600
of it.

3422
03:01:49,680 --> 03:01:52,440
Speaker 2: He also said, you know, always being early before everybody else,

3423
03:01:52,520 --> 03:01:55,319
and I guess maybe you know, managing someone's career when

3424
03:01:55,319 --> 03:01:57,239
you're hul Coagan, all that really takes is making sure

3425
03:01:57,280 --> 03:01:59,479
he gets where's supposed to be on time, and people

3426
03:01:59,520 --> 03:02:01,159
he doesn't want to talk to or kept away from him.

3427
03:02:01,600 --> 03:02:02,879
And I bet Jimmy Hard can do that.

3428
03:02:03,479 --> 03:02:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but like in terms of yeah,

3429
03:02:06,319 --> 03:02:10,520
I it just it just seems like again, you know,

3430
03:02:10,639 --> 03:02:12,959
I know, I know that Jimmy Hart's got some credibility

3431
03:02:13,000 --> 03:02:14,600
in other places, and I know that he's worked on

3432
03:02:14,680 --> 03:02:16,319
he used to work on the theme songs and stuff

3433
03:02:16,360 --> 03:02:18,399
like that. But yeah, but to be able to like

3434
03:02:19,559 --> 03:02:24,719
basically be the go to person for somebody, you know,

3435
03:02:25,000 --> 03:02:29,000
like you know, the filter to me that that that

3436
03:02:30,200 --> 03:02:32,559
like I just needed. I want to know more about

3437
03:02:32,760 --> 03:02:36,280
like where where he learned that trade, where he became

3438
03:02:36,360 --> 03:02:39,479
respected or was well known enough to be like, yeah,

3439
03:02:39,520 --> 03:02:43,280
you know what, Jimmy Hart's the guy we need. So

3440
03:02:43,600 --> 03:02:45,440
in the same way, you know, like any of these guys,

3441
03:02:45,479 --> 03:02:47,360
it's not even just Jimmy Hard, any of these guys

3442
03:02:47,399 --> 03:02:50,920
Like where did that? Why? Why did that happen? Yeah?

3443
03:02:51,479 --> 03:02:53,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting to see Jimmy Hard on the

3444
03:02:54,040 --> 03:02:56,719
stage on the SmackDown tribute, you know, front and center,

3445
03:02:57,280 --> 03:02:59,159
dagging his eyes, crying his eyes out. I mean, this

3446
03:02:59,280 --> 03:03:03,200
guy made his whole thing about being Hulk Hogan's hype

3447
03:03:03,239 --> 03:03:06,120
man basically, and I don't know, maybe one day he

3448
03:03:06,200 --> 03:03:08,559
saw Hulk do something he shouldn't have been doing, and

3449
03:03:08,639 --> 03:03:11,200
Hulk's warmed his secrecy in exchange for a lifetime job.

3450
03:03:11,440 --> 03:03:13,200
That's the kind of thing that tends to happen.

3451
03:03:13,280 --> 03:03:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that either.

3452
03:03:14,920 --> 03:03:19,200
Speaker 2: Putting that potential on the table as well, Stephen writes,

3453
03:03:19,239 --> 03:03:21,520
you know, I imagine a major grip gripe that Hogan

3454
03:03:21,639 --> 03:03:24,680
sent Jimmy to Eric with was people standing behind him

3455
03:03:24,680 --> 03:03:25,840
and lingering for a second.

3456
03:03:26,719 --> 03:03:28,600
Speaker 1: I've been here for a while, dude. One thing I've

3457
03:03:28,760 --> 03:03:30,959
really you know, and they don't do it this way

3458
03:03:31,000 --> 03:03:35,559
in New York. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, Listen,

3459
03:03:35,639 --> 03:03:38,760
I'm just saying, was a very very you know that

3460
03:03:39,079 --> 03:03:42,399
was heard a lot. That was heard a lot by

3461
03:03:42,600 --> 03:03:47,360
Eric Bischoff. Right, I'm just saying by Hulk Hogan, they

3462
03:03:47,360 --> 03:03:53,319
could have been his third book. Eric, Hulk's just saying again, brother,

3463
03:03:53,559 --> 03:03:56,639
you know, I'm just saying, dude, you know right, you do, brother,

3464
03:03:56,760 --> 03:03:59,040
you do you dude. I'm not trying to criticize. I'm

3465
03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:01,440
not trying to tell you what better, brother, But I'm

3466
03:04:01,520 --> 03:04:04,399
just saying, I'm just saying, dude, that in New York

3467
03:04:04,520 --> 03:04:05,239
they did it better.

3468
03:04:07,120 --> 03:04:40,719
Speaker 5: Fan Wrestling podcast the wrestling podcast that knows the boys

3469
03:04:40,879 --> 03:05:16,639
need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's an Lapsed

3470
03:05:16,680 --> 03:05:21,159
fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and Jpro.

3471
03:05:21,879 --> 03:05:25,479
Speaker 2: So, you know, if you want to say that, if

3472
03:05:25,520 --> 03:05:27,760
you want to ignore my suggestion, just know you're little

3473
03:05:27,840 --> 03:05:28,559
leaguing yourself.

3474
03:05:28,719 --> 03:05:30,920
Speaker 1: Visa VI. The real wrestling in New York. That's basically,

3475
03:05:31,040 --> 03:05:33,520
I just don't want you to be a bitch, all right,

3476
03:05:33,520 --> 03:05:35,159
I don't want you to be perceived as a bitch.

3477
03:05:35,319 --> 03:05:38,040
Like you know, all those guys know they're going to say,

3478
03:05:38,040 --> 03:05:42,799
you know, what's up with that, Eric, he's a bitch. Oh,

3479
03:05:42,840 --> 03:05:45,920
they're gonna say that, Terry. Well, I'm trying nothing about that.

3480
03:05:46,399 --> 03:05:48,440
Speaker 2: Oh I see, trying to prevent them from saying it. Okay,

3481
03:05:49,079 --> 03:05:51,639
all right, well I'll just say one to the head.

3482
03:05:51,760 --> 03:05:56,159
Appears you failed like a pile driver. Thank you very

3483
03:05:56,239 --> 03:05:58,479
much for that increase to the eptre Bez writes, the

3484
03:05:58,520 --> 03:06:00,600
co chairs don't just do impressions. They almost seemed to

3485
03:06:00,639 --> 03:06:02,840
become the person. I felt like I was really listening

3486
03:06:03,040 --> 03:06:07,600
to Ready Savage talking to Jim Ross. Well, you felt

3487
03:06:07,639 --> 03:06:09,280
like it was Ready Savage talking to somebody. I'm not

3488
03:06:09,280 --> 03:06:11,559
sure that jed our impression was there, Yeah, but we

3489
03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:13,799
appreciate that. That that's part of the magic. You're going

3490
03:06:13,879 --> 03:06:15,840
to see with your own two eyes. August third, a

3491
03:06:15,920 --> 03:06:18,280
comedy village in New York. It's damn right, You're damn

3492
03:06:18,399 --> 03:06:20,280
fucking right. It's one thing to hear it, friends, but

3493
03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:23,040
to see to see it. Pop visually. I think is

3494
03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:24,920
something that anyone who's come to one of our live

3495
03:06:24,959 --> 03:06:27,719
shows before Convouts for is being worth the price of

3496
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:32,120
admission alone. Yeah, Steve says being a fan. Became a

3497
03:06:32,200 --> 03:06:34,440
fan in late two thousand and one. So I witnessed

3498
03:06:34,440 --> 03:06:37,799
the Attitude era initially completely through tape and DVD. So

3499
03:06:38,280 --> 03:06:39,520
I invite you to think about you know, we just

3500
03:06:39,520 --> 03:06:41,000
want to talk about how we became acquainted with the

3501
03:06:41,040 --> 03:06:44,719
eighties Hulkamania through tape. Yes, what about people who became

3502
03:06:44,799 --> 03:06:46,559
familiar with the Attitude era through tape?

3503
03:06:47,079 --> 03:06:52,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that's just that's that's painful. I mean

3504
03:06:52,360 --> 03:06:54,639
that's painful. I mean I just don't imagine how you

3505
03:06:54,680 --> 03:06:57,280
could do it. It's so much, so much more volume

3506
03:06:57,319 --> 03:06:59,879
of stuff. Yeah, like how do you weekly tell it?

3507
03:07:00,239 --> 03:07:03,239
It's insane weekly television. But also just the idea that

3508
03:07:03,360 --> 03:07:05,639
if you're watching, you know, I had to watch four

3509
03:07:05,719 --> 03:07:07,639
pay per views to get a whole w B year,

3510
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:09,799
but you have to get twelve to fourteen depending on

3511
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:14,239
UK shows. If that interest you, absolutely right. So that's

3512
03:07:14,440 --> 03:07:15,680
I don't know, man, that's rough.

3513
03:07:15,959 --> 03:07:19,040
Speaker 2: That's a whole Yeah, that's a whole steeper hill than

3514
03:07:19,079 --> 03:07:20,479
we ever had to climb to get up to date.

3515
03:07:20,639 --> 03:07:21,440
That's for damn sure.

3516
03:07:21,680 --> 03:07:21,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3517
03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:25,159
Speaker 2: Steve also notes because of the progressing Illustrated article that

3518
03:07:25,239 --> 03:07:26,799
we read from on our Bash at the Beach ninety

3519
03:07:26,840 --> 03:07:28,600
four episode that had Hogan and Flair on the cover

3520
03:07:28,680 --> 03:07:30,959
and got all the buzz started. Yes, Bill Watts of

3521
03:07:31,000 --> 03:07:32,680
all people, was quoted in there about how big it

3522
03:07:32,680 --> 03:07:34,399
would be if Hulkan Rick could come together and do

3523
03:07:34,520 --> 03:07:37,399
a promotional vehicle together. And Steve makes a great point

3524
03:07:37,479 --> 03:07:39,639
in saying that Bill Watts is quoted about the Hogan jump,

3525
03:07:39,639 --> 03:07:41,360
as he spent a good twenty minutes of each mid

3526
03:07:41,399 --> 03:07:43,879
eighties episode of Mid South calling Hogan a poor actor

3527
03:07:43,920 --> 03:07:44,479
and a fraud.

3528
03:07:44,559 --> 03:07:44,799
Speaker 3: Wow.

3529
03:07:45,719 --> 03:07:47,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was going off on Hogan back then,

3530
03:07:48,520 --> 03:07:50,600
and it's funny, but that's the wrestling business. Hogan, who

3531
03:07:50,680 --> 03:07:54,399
face recently joined the mote tier, and we want to

3532
03:07:54,399 --> 03:07:57,200
thank him very much. Tony Gelder will see you. We'll

3533
03:07:57,200 --> 03:08:00,280
see you in fucking New York. Oh yeah, Tim, we'll

3534
03:08:00,319 --> 03:08:03,440
see you, he says, good afternoon, gentlemen. Submitted for your

3535
03:08:03,479 --> 03:08:05,959
approval is my receipt for a purchase of a ticket

3536
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:07,959
to your show at Comedy Village. Because this is and

3537
03:08:08,040 --> 03:08:11,959
always continues to be not a fucking game.

3538
03:08:12,719 --> 03:08:13,159
Speaker 1: Damn right.

3539
03:08:13,239 --> 03:08:14,760
Speaker 2: He had missed out on the previous installments of t

3540
03:08:14,959 --> 03:08:18,360
F branded Comedic Prophetic Live Entertainment Experienced vehicles. But that

3541
03:08:18,559 --> 03:08:20,959
ends August third. You have been in my years and

3542
03:08:21,040 --> 03:08:22,959
up my ass through some of the most difficult years

3543
03:08:23,000 --> 03:08:24,360
of my life. And now it's time to do the

3544
03:08:24,440 --> 03:08:26,639
right thing, he writes, and take the ride down to

3545
03:08:26,719 --> 03:08:29,159
pay proper tribute at the Church of the Lapsed. So

3546
03:08:29,319 --> 03:08:31,159
shall it be written, So shall it be done?

3547
03:08:31,399 --> 03:08:33,559
Speaker 1: You bay, there we go, and now we're talking some

3548
03:08:34,159 --> 03:08:36,600
sweet ten commandments there brother, thank you both for eleven

3549
03:08:36,680 --> 03:08:38,000
years of lapse to see you there.

3550
03:08:38,479 --> 03:08:42,239
Speaker 2: We'll see you there. Very excited about this, very much

3551
03:08:42,760 --> 03:08:46,760
called four. Oh yes, James writes. My nominees for most

3552
03:08:46,760 --> 03:08:50,799
irrelevant ljnfigure? Yes, who did we pick? For those who

3553
03:08:50,879 --> 03:08:51,680
might not have caught it yet?

3554
03:08:52,280 --> 03:08:55,040
Speaker 1: For LJN figure? Oh god, who it was? Somebody we

3555
03:08:55,120 --> 03:08:57,920
had outback jack win? Maybe I think outback Jack one.

3556
03:08:58,079 --> 03:09:02,719
Have you considered SD Jones? You know, the thing about st.

3557
03:09:02,840 --> 03:09:04,879
Jones is that he was at WRESTLINGIA one. Oh my god,

3558
03:09:05,239 --> 03:09:06,760
So do that qualify something?

3559
03:09:07,200 --> 03:09:07,360
Speaker 5: You know?

3560
03:09:07,479 --> 03:09:10,520
Speaker 1: That makes him a little bit different, But it's valid.

3561
03:09:10,680 --> 03:09:11,840
It's it's not a bad thing.

3562
03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:15,440
Speaker 2: It reports St Jones even had a variation figure, which

3563
03:09:15,479 --> 03:09:17,639
I did not know. That's not okay, that's not okay

3564
03:09:17,719 --> 03:09:20,079
to do two different Yeah, what do you who's buying it?

3565
03:09:20,120 --> 03:09:22,399
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Yeah? One one is enough with

3566
03:09:22,680 --> 03:09:25,079
SD okay? And what was our final verdict on the

3567
03:09:25,159 --> 03:09:28,520
most what the fuck? Has Bro's? Probably skinny? We it

3568
03:09:28,680 --> 03:09:33,079
was skinner it was it might have been Repo man.

3569
03:09:33,959 --> 03:09:36,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that one really hit me too. That they

3570
03:09:36,879 --> 03:09:39,319
came on someone else else is a good one. Someone

3571
03:09:39,399 --> 03:09:43,479
came with a new foundation Jim knightheart. Oh yeah, Actually,

3572
03:09:43,680 --> 03:09:44,600
you know, what are you doing?

3573
03:09:44,680 --> 03:09:47,120
Speaker 1: Guys? You know weird? I mean, because yeah, you know

3574
03:09:47,239 --> 03:09:49,440
that's not that's not bad, because you know he was

3575
03:09:49,639 --> 03:09:51,840
new foundation for like what two months? It was old

3576
03:09:51,879 --> 03:09:54,360
foundation by the time it hit the shell exactly, it

3577
03:09:54,479 --> 03:09:57,040
really was. It was who gives a fuck foundation by

3578
03:09:57,079 --> 03:09:58,520
the time it hit the shelves. Let me tell you

3579
03:09:58,639 --> 03:10:00,520
I made that. I made my herd foundation. You even

3580
03:10:00,600 --> 03:10:04,360
drew on, did you? I drew I drew a black

3581
03:10:04,440 --> 03:10:07,239
tank top on him with a sharpie so that he

3582
03:10:07,280 --> 03:10:10,319
could look more like Brett, so I could have my

3583
03:10:10,360 --> 03:10:13,719
heart foundation. You needed heart foundation? Yeah, yeah, that was

3584
03:10:13,719 --> 03:10:16,120
the exciting part about having Jim Nightheart. I never found

3585
03:10:16,159 --> 03:10:18,559
O one hard until you know, much later in life.

3586
03:10:18,879 --> 03:10:21,079
What a travesty that there wasn't a Brett Hasbro till

3587
03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:23,719
as late as there was. I know, what are they thinking?

3588
03:10:23,799 --> 03:10:26,360
Why wasn't there a Brette Hasbro in ninety one? I

3589
03:10:26,879 --> 03:10:31,000
don't know, that's really strange to me. It's ridiculous, honestly,

3590
03:10:31,120 --> 03:10:35,280
Like he that seems like a like a like just

3591
03:10:35,360 --> 03:10:38,000
an easy and easy, an easy one. You know, I

3592
03:10:38,040 --> 03:10:38,520
don't know why.

3593
03:10:39,000 --> 03:10:40,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I know if I think hard

3594
03:10:40,159 --> 03:10:41,959
enough about the calendar as far as when they were together,

3595
03:10:42,040 --> 03:10:46,040
but maybe not. Why would there be Rockers demolition with Crush?

3596
03:10:46,719 --> 03:10:48,719
Why would there be a Legion of Doom? Why would

3597
03:10:48,719 --> 03:10:50,520
there be all these Hasbro tag teams and not a

3598
03:10:50,559 --> 03:10:51,360
Heart Foundation one?

3599
03:10:51,959 --> 03:10:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they didn't start doing it. I guess

3600
03:10:54,879 --> 03:10:57,440
it's interesting too, you know when when the when the

3601
03:10:57,479 --> 03:11:00,680
Hasbro's first came out in nineteen ninety, you know, it's

3602
03:11:00,719 --> 03:11:04,479
funny that they had demolition they did that they beat

3603
03:11:04,639 --> 03:11:07,319
basically at SummerSlam, I know, so they didn't have the

3604
03:11:07,559 --> 03:11:10,040
they didn't have the Crush one yet TI ninety one

3605
03:11:10,200 --> 03:11:12,559
that's true. In nineteen ninety, it was it was just

3606
03:11:12,600 --> 03:11:14,680
acts and smashing the single like. They didn't have a

3607
03:11:14,719 --> 03:11:17,479
tag team set. It was just the single figures.

3608
03:11:17,520 --> 03:11:19,799
Speaker 2: But still, oh really, let's make a rhythm and blues

3609
03:11:19,840 --> 03:11:23,319
tag team. Even though the hammered Valentine figure never hit

3610
03:11:23,360 --> 03:11:25,239
the shelves before, we make a hard foundation.

3611
03:11:25,959 --> 03:11:28,360
Speaker 1: It's very it's strange, it's so.

3612
03:11:28,520 --> 03:11:32,639
Speaker 2: Strange, unacceptable, Chuck writes, listening to each of the a

3613
03:11:32,719 --> 03:11:34,319
la carte in order. I think it was towards the

3614
03:11:34,440 --> 03:11:36,959
end of Tony Mercedes I realized that this match, being

3615
03:11:37,000 --> 03:11:39,120
the greatest live call of all time was inevitable, and

3616
03:11:39,159 --> 03:11:42,040
anticipation only grew from there. Somehow it still exceeded all

3617
03:11:42,120 --> 03:11:46,360
my expectations all time classic. Yeah, it was once that

3618
03:11:46,440 --> 03:11:47,760
one was over, I'm like, all right, this was a

3619
03:11:47,799 --> 03:11:51,559
good idea, especially when Tony berries her face and Sasha's

3620
03:11:51,600 --> 03:11:52,719
crotch and your mom has.

3621
03:11:52,639 --> 03:11:55,879
Speaker 1: To react to that. Oh yes, listen, there there are

3622
03:11:55,959 --> 03:11:57,719
some beautiful, beautiful, beautiful things.

3623
03:11:58,200 --> 03:12:01,399
Speaker 2: How about the Dominio's points. I wasn't expecting the majority

3624
03:12:01,399 --> 03:12:03,040
of this call to be Mama Sorrow calling out the

3625
03:12:03,120 --> 03:12:06,559
legality and values of America. Then JP saying quote because

3626
03:12:06,600 --> 03:12:08,719
they signed a contract and it was notarized. That's why

3627
03:12:08,760 --> 03:12:13,239
how this is okay. Of course, referring to Adam Page

3628
03:12:13,559 --> 03:12:15,760
getting stabbing John Moxley in the head.

3629
03:12:15,600 --> 03:12:19,719
Speaker 1: Of the foot because it's not her eyes, it's fucking

3630
03:12:21,440 --> 03:12:26,520
I do get such great pleasure in just trying to

3631
03:12:27,280 --> 03:12:32,360
just talk about legalities in regards to wrestling, that they

3632
03:12:32,479 --> 03:12:35,040
signed away their rights because when they decided to do

3633
03:12:35,120 --> 03:12:37,319
this match, and therefore that's why everything they do is legal.

3634
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:39,920
That's why you can't call the police and you.

3635
03:12:39,959 --> 03:12:42,479
Speaker 2: Talk to her as if, like everyone else in society

3636
03:12:42,600 --> 03:12:45,280
understands this about the nature of contractual law and combats.

3637
03:12:45,319 --> 03:12:46,559
Speaker 1: Why don't you mom right?

3638
03:12:47,600 --> 03:12:49,440
Speaker 2: Sorry, if we've got to go through CIVIX one on one,

3639
03:12:49,479 --> 03:12:52,239
I guess we'll do it. Julian Wilson, thank you for

3640
03:12:52,319 --> 03:12:54,479
joining the EPTRE. We appreciate the cake. Matt Anderson, we

3641
03:12:54,520 --> 03:12:56,520
appreciate you son. Frank Kirshner, thank.

3642
03:12:56,440 --> 03:12:59,479
Speaker 1: You so much. What about Adam Baum did he not

3643
03:12:59,600 --> 03:13:01,440
have a He did? He had a hasbro.

3644
03:13:01,719 --> 03:13:04,360
Speaker 2: You know what, he was a big enough, colorful enough,

3645
03:13:04,959 --> 03:13:06,840
he had a push. He wasn't like a permanent job

3646
03:13:07,000 --> 03:13:09,399
or like Skinner and repel Man. Yeah, I think that's

3647
03:13:09,440 --> 03:13:11,120
what's so weird about it is these aren't guys that

3648
03:13:11,200 --> 03:13:14,520
had winning streaks, These guys that really you would watch

3649
03:13:14,639 --> 03:13:16,760
WWF television and get excited about what they were going

3650
03:13:16,840 --> 03:13:17,280
to do next.

3651
03:13:17,760 --> 03:13:17,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3652
03:13:19,079 --> 03:13:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't get with all the options they

3653
03:13:21,600 --> 03:13:24,000
had while they picked certain guys that that's all I'm saying.

3654
03:13:25,719 --> 03:13:26,639
Speaker 1: Listen, I agree.

3655
03:13:26,719 --> 03:13:28,079
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you how about we make a

3656
03:13:28,120 --> 03:13:30,799
Skinner toy before Brett Hart toy for instance, or a.

3657
03:13:30,799 --> 03:13:36,000
Speaker 1: Berserker right, great one Berserker one? And also, you know, listen,

3658
03:13:36,079 --> 03:13:39,280
I think, why didn't Tito have one years before? Why

3659
03:13:40,079 --> 03:13:43,600
to El Matador? Yeah, why isn't there a strike Force one? Yeah?

3660
03:13:43,639 --> 03:13:45,040
Speaker 2: I bet if we looked at it hard enough, there's

3661
03:13:45,040 --> 03:13:47,920
probably a two month period where they decided on most

3662
03:13:48,000 --> 03:13:49,959
of the line and who was on TV, and that

3663
03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:51,760
two month period is who got figures. And it's just

3664
03:13:51,840 --> 03:13:55,000
totally arbitrary. It doesn't stretch as far left to right.

3665
03:13:55,079 --> 03:13:57,120
Speaker 1: But I guess I guess what makes like the ones

3666
03:13:57,239 --> 03:14:01,159
like Skinner and what and repel Man is that you know,

3667
03:14:01,440 --> 03:14:05,200
you think if Skinner's run really is from fall of

3668
03:14:05,319 --> 03:14:09,079
ninety one up until WrestleMania with a little fucking couple

3669
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:11,879
of things here and there. The same thing with Repo Man,

3670
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:14,040
like well repe Man at least I guess went to SummerSlam.

3671
03:14:14,440 --> 03:14:19,559
But like these figures came out like in ninety three.

3672
03:14:21,000 --> 03:14:24,440
That's what makes it even weirder is that they may

3673
03:14:24,520 --> 03:14:25,879
I mean, I know it probably took a little bit

3674
03:14:25,920 --> 03:14:29,959
longer to make sure to make the figures, but like

3675
03:14:30,600 --> 03:14:34,479
the they came out. I'm going to get the exact

3676
03:14:34,559 --> 03:14:39,639
dates here because I need to know now. It just

3677
03:14:39,799 --> 03:14:42,000
it's just wacky to me that that that that they

3678
03:14:42,079 --> 03:14:47,840
came out so late. They got the oh yeah, hear

3679
03:14:47,879 --> 03:14:52,440
this so serious? This is serious. Series I don't know

3680
03:14:52,479 --> 03:14:58,879
when Series three came out, but not so series Series five.

3681
03:15:00,159 --> 03:15:03,239
Series five is Skinner now that came out in ninety three,

3682
03:15:03,479 --> 03:15:06,520
maybe even ninety four, ninety three. I'm gonna say, like

3683
03:15:06,639 --> 03:15:09,760
late ninety three, that had Virgil the war I mean,

3684
03:15:09,799 --> 03:15:14,879
these guys are gone. Virgil the Warlord, the MOUNDI Irwin

3685
03:15:16,079 --> 03:15:19,319
the Model, Rick Martel had one, don't forget it, had

3686
03:15:19,440 --> 03:15:23,760
one well after he was gone. Yeah, that's just what

3687
03:15:23,840 --> 03:15:25,559
the weird thing is. The you know, the flare one

3688
03:15:25,680 --> 03:15:26,760
was well after he was gone.

3689
03:15:27,600 --> 03:15:31,559
Speaker 2: Bizarre, very bizarre. They must have been they must have

3690
03:15:31,600 --> 03:15:33,760
been deeply frustrated at Hasbro. They get this figure on

3691
03:15:33,840 --> 03:15:34,959
the shelves so that they think is going to sell

3692
03:15:34,959 --> 03:15:37,239
and the guy's gout of the company. Yep, even if

3693
03:15:37,239 --> 03:15:42,280
it's a main event. Guy, you think you're safe there? Well, yeah,

3694
03:15:42,319 --> 03:15:44,760
the mysteries of the Hasbro world. Indeed, now you asked

3695
03:15:45,319 --> 03:15:47,680
one point, like you got to split the gum out.

3696
03:15:47,719 --> 03:15:49,559
If you're wrestling, you can't put chewing gum. It makes

3697
03:15:49,600 --> 03:15:52,159
it too fake. Remember when what we're talking about that? Yes, yes,

3698
03:15:52,360 --> 03:15:54,079
Well the homie Scott Michael had a good point. He said,

3699
03:15:54,079 --> 03:15:55,719
The one thing I'll say in defensive gum chewing is

3700
03:15:55,760 --> 03:15:57,120
that it has been a game changer for me and

3701
03:15:57,200 --> 03:16:01,319
my asthma lungs. If I'm doing card or an intense workout,

3702
03:16:01,440 --> 03:16:03,520
my throat dries up quickly by breathing is ass and

3703
03:16:03,559 --> 03:16:06,079
then I start coughing. Chewing gum helps me to keep

3704
03:16:06,120 --> 03:16:08,600
the saliva going and almost keeps makes me feel like

3705
03:16:08,639 --> 03:16:09,680
I can breathe normally.

3706
03:16:10,559 --> 03:16:13,319
Speaker 1: Listen. That I totally get. But I'm talking about being

3707
03:16:13,360 --> 03:16:16,360
in a fight. Oh yeah, yeah, well he says, you're

3708
03:16:16,360 --> 03:16:19,319
in a fight, are you chewing gum? Yeah?

3709
03:16:20,200 --> 03:16:22,559
Speaker 2: Probably not, even if you're afraid you're going to gag.

3710
03:16:22,639 --> 03:16:25,600
But the thing is the mouthpiece, like you can't. That's

3711
03:16:25,639 --> 03:16:27,479
the thing about I'm thinking to fight sports. Of course,

3712
03:16:27,520 --> 03:16:30,920
something in a boxing running right, he says. You know, now,

3713
03:16:30,959 --> 03:16:31,959
I mean, if I was in a real fight, I

3714
03:16:32,000 --> 03:16:33,719
probably wouldn't be chewing in case I get knocked out

3715
03:16:33,719 --> 03:16:35,360
and ended up choking on that shit. But none of

3716
03:16:35,399 --> 03:16:36,559
these dudes are in real fights.

3717
03:16:36,639 --> 03:16:38,719
Speaker 1: Yes, that is I mean, it is true, but that's

3718
03:16:38,719 --> 03:16:40,360
the whole point that they're supposed to be pretend that

3719
03:16:40,440 --> 03:16:41,280
they're in real fights.

3720
03:16:41,600 --> 03:16:44,879
Speaker 2: But I will tend differently in the future at wrestlers

3721
03:16:44,959 --> 03:16:48,120
chewing gum if it does indeed help, you know, prevent

3722
03:16:48,200 --> 03:16:50,879
gagging and stuff. Because I remember there was one UFC fighter,

3723
03:16:50,959 --> 03:16:52,559
I think he never made it anywhere, but he was

3724
03:16:52,600 --> 03:16:55,360
on he was on one of the old fighter reality shows,

3725
03:16:55,360 --> 03:16:57,239
and the guy could not keep the mouthpiece in. He

3726
03:16:57,559 --> 03:16:59,319
just gagged every time he had the mouthpiece. He was

3727
03:17:00,600 --> 03:17:02,680
it was a huge issue because my mouthpiece falls out.

3728
03:17:02,719 --> 03:17:04,319
The referees kind of obliged to stop the fight and

3729
03:17:04,360 --> 03:17:06,280
put it back in. That's supposed to, you know, not

3730
03:17:06,360 --> 03:17:08,879
only help protect you against knockouts and keep your jaw flex,

3731
03:17:08,959 --> 03:17:10,680
but you know, you lose all your fucking teeth and

3732
03:17:10,719 --> 03:17:12,799
two fights you don't have that thing in your in

3733
03:17:12,879 --> 03:17:15,760
your mouth. It was like it was a disaster. They

3734
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:17,479
had to like stop the fight like a hundred times,

3735
03:17:17,520 --> 03:17:19,000
and it was like, how do we know he's not

3736
03:17:19,040 --> 03:17:22,399
doing it on purpose? You know, it's crazy. So that's

3737
03:17:23,399 --> 03:17:24,920
there are wrestlers out there who would get you know,

3738
03:17:25,000 --> 03:17:27,239
that dry mouth or have trouble breathing, even though it

3739
03:17:27,280 --> 03:17:30,799
does make it look fake. I guess it's it's either

3740
03:17:30,840 --> 03:17:32,639
true gum or don't make a living as a pro wrestler.

3741
03:17:32,639 --> 03:17:33,879
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I guess it.

3742
03:17:35,040 --> 03:17:37,799
Speaker 2: So the homie butt stuff and Heen and I think

3743
03:17:37,840 --> 03:17:39,479
they should bring in a wrestler to be l A

3744
03:17:39,559 --> 03:17:45,239
Knight's stag partner and call him La Day. You could

3745
03:17:45,280 --> 03:17:50,159
call the team the La Times. Oh, that's definitely a team.

3746
03:17:50,239 --> 03:17:53,600
Jack Coil get into thank you. He also things I

3747
03:17:53,600 --> 03:17:55,680
think jelly Rolls whole marketing employee is I've been through

3748
03:17:55,719 --> 03:17:57,799
some tough times and I have tattoos to show for it.

3749
03:18:00,680 --> 03:18:02,879
He says, if you're a covering metha crack cocaine addict

3750
03:18:02,920 --> 03:18:04,920
and you've done some jail time, Jelly Roll is your guy,

3751
03:18:07,159 --> 03:18:08,920
especially if you want to come out and like, you know,

3752
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:11,719
if you want to come out and just like stop

3753
03:18:11,799 --> 03:18:15,639
other people from get becoming addicts, you know, like save people,

3754
03:18:15,799 --> 03:18:16,000
you know.

3755
03:18:16,520 --> 03:18:19,479
Speaker 1: If that's great, just stay out of the wrestling ring.

3756
03:18:19,600 --> 03:18:22,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're ready for any ready for him

3757
03:18:22,079 --> 03:18:24,360
at to wrestle at Summerslim. You know about this, right, No,

3758
03:18:24,840 --> 03:18:26,680
he's been doing angles with Logan, Paul and smack Down

3759
03:18:26,680 --> 03:18:30,159
every week. He's been throwing four arms, he's been getting physical. No,

3760
03:18:31,360 --> 03:18:34,520
he's been doing he's doing the Tennessee twang on the promos.

3761
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Logan. I think you're a

3762
03:18:38,280 --> 03:18:42,520
bitch Loogan. Oh man, just why why is he doing this?

3763
03:18:42,719 --> 03:18:47,319
Speaker 2: And like or loves being associated with a real celebrity

3764
03:18:47,360 --> 03:18:50,760
you know, of course he does. And I don't know

3765
03:18:50,799 --> 03:18:51,959
if this will change by the time we get to

3766
03:18:52,000 --> 03:18:55,040
a live call. But they put McIntyre in as as

3767
03:18:55,280 --> 03:18:58,799
Paul's partner for the match, and then McIntyre goes home

3768
03:18:58,920 --> 03:19:02,120
to England or the UK for a wedding and due

3769
03:19:02,120 --> 03:19:03,840
to passport issues, he's stuck in the country and he

3770
03:19:03,879 --> 03:19:05,159
probably can't make it to Summer Slam.

3771
03:19:05,879 --> 03:19:08,319
Speaker 1: That I did, I did see that one. I did

3772
03:19:08,399 --> 03:19:08,680
see that.

3773
03:19:09,559 --> 03:19:12,840
Speaker 2: That's modern wrestling, man, What the fuck? There's always some

3774
03:19:13,000 --> 03:19:16,360
stupid bullshit. If someone getting hurt doing a totally basic move,

3775
03:19:16,559 --> 03:19:20,360
you know, some like arbitrary reason that, like something that

3776
03:19:20,479 --> 03:19:24,040
you're you're built up to look forward to, totally doesn't happen.

3777
03:19:24,159 --> 03:19:27,079
Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous. Wait, why are you letting the guys

3778
03:19:27,120 --> 03:19:30,680
go to weddings? It's a good question. Why are you

3779
03:19:30,760 --> 03:19:32,319
doing that? I thought I'd go to a wedding the

3780
03:19:32,360 --> 03:19:36,639
week before sommer slab. All right, well maybe it was

3781
03:19:36,680 --> 03:19:38,200
as good pal I'm sure as Bal was happy he

3782
03:19:38,280 --> 03:19:42,000
was there. Yeah, but now the fans what are what

3783
03:19:42,079 --> 03:19:42,479
the fans?

3784
03:19:42,520 --> 03:19:42,719
Speaker 5: I know?

3785
03:19:43,040 --> 03:19:46,520
Speaker 2: Now we're not gonna get who on the live call,

3786
03:19:47,280 --> 03:19:50,639
which is definitely a loss for everybody. Brent Ericson, thank

3787
03:19:50,680 --> 03:19:52,159
you very much for bumping up to the moat tier.

3788
03:19:52,200 --> 03:19:54,159
That's a big veiny move of you, and we noticed it.

3789
03:19:54,239 --> 03:19:56,639
James Cordy, thanks you very much for your support on

3790
03:19:56,680 --> 03:19:58,799
patreon dot com slash the lapsed fans. Same to you,

3791
03:19:58,920 --> 03:20:02,120
Caleb him and Chris Erba, thank you very much for

3792
03:20:02,319 --> 03:20:06,079
your respective pledges. Kevin writes most WTFLJN. He submits out

3793
03:20:06,120 --> 03:20:08,879
back Jack at LJN he proudly owns. So there's a

3794
03:20:08,959 --> 03:20:12,399
vote for that. Adam writes modern day ted arcity looks

3795
03:20:12,440 --> 03:20:14,000
like he knows too much about the dark Web.

3796
03:20:18,399 --> 03:20:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. Zach wants to know. You

3797
03:20:20,600 --> 03:20:34,399
know who else changed the locks? Barry Oberwitzah. Zach also writes.

3798
03:20:35,799 --> 03:20:38,840
Speaker 2: He's the one who's wtf Hasbro's high energy Jim in

3799
03:20:38,840 --> 03:20:42,319
the anvil? So that's where that came from. Okay, so

3800
03:20:42,399 --> 03:20:44,239
put them one in the category there. And he also

3801
03:20:44,280 --> 03:20:47,280
says Dan Spivey would be walking and in the middle

3802
03:20:47,319 --> 03:20:50,079
of his walk it starts pouring rain. He doesn't change

3803
03:20:50,079 --> 03:20:52,479
his gait or pace in the slightest, just a tiny

3804
03:20:52,600 --> 03:20:57,639
smile forms on his face. Yes, he says, Spivey talking

3805
03:20:57,760 --> 03:20:59,719
like he just discovered the concept of free will. And

3806
03:20:59,799 --> 03:21:04,200
a BWF magazine interview is pretty outstanding. That's available to

3807
03:21:04,280 --> 03:21:06,040
you as part of the Colosseum collection Best of the

3808
03:21:06,159 --> 03:21:09,120
Wwfelony Mate and the Short Lived Attempt to Make Dan

3809
03:21:09,200 --> 03:21:14,079
Spivey Well, Dan Hogan and Jeff wonders, is that blonde

3810
03:21:14,120 --> 03:21:18,719
Dan Spivey or Martin short playing Jackie Rogers Junior? Is

3811
03:21:18,760 --> 03:21:26,600
that Wayla Mercy? Or is it Walton Goggins. I mean,

3812
03:21:26,639 --> 03:21:30,680
which is a great point, Joe writes co chairs listening

3813
03:21:30,680 --> 03:21:32,559
to the new Colosseum collection when talking about if Dan

3814
03:21:32,600 --> 03:21:35,040
Spivey became Dan Hogan. As I was painting my garage

3815
03:21:35,040 --> 03:21:38,159
and I almost fell off a ladder because I have

3816
03:21:38,239 --> 03:21:41,079
an uncle with that name and who, despite giving me

3817
03:21:41,120 --> 03:21:42,719
ship for the last thirty three years about my love

3818
03:21:42,760 --> 03:21:45,159
of scripted athletics, bought me my first galubes in nineteen

3819
03:21:45,239 --> 03:21:48,520
nins right, shout out to uncle jo uncle Dan.

3820
03:21:48,520 --> 03:21:52,239
Speaker 1: Hogan, Dan Hogan, that would have been the name. That

3821
03:21:52,239 --> 03:21:54,079
would have been the name for Spivey, kind of like

3822
03:21:54,399 --> 03:21:59,840
Evad Sullivan. You know, I know, I'll like to introduce

3823
03:21:59,879 --> 03:22:06,159
you brother to my uncle Dan Hogan. Dude, what did

3824
03:22:06,200 --> 03:22:08,040
he have a nephew? Nephew Horace Hogan?

3825
03:22:08,159 --> 03:22:14,879
Speaker 2: And yeah, oh man, just fucking we talked about We

3826
03:22:14,959 --> 03:22:17,040
talked about Rusty Brooks for the one and only time

3827
03:22:17,079 --> 03:22:19,559
because he's in a coliseum wrestling Hulk Hogan in a

3828
03:22:19,920 --> 03:22:22,760
ten second TV match before Randy Savage jumps Hulk, and

3829
03:22:23,399 --> 03:22:26,040
Greg writes two things about Rusty Brooks. One, the WWF

3830
03:22:26,040 --> 03:22:28,159
often booked him on Florida shows because he provided or

3831
03:22:28,200 --> 03:22:29,399
rented out the ring to them.

3832
03:22:29,479 --> 03:22:31,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's interesting. Wow.

3833
03:22:31,319 --> 03:22:33,479
Speaker 2: And he also portrayed a Mario character in i w

3834
03:22:33,680 --> 03:22:37,600
CCW called super Duper Mario. Oh no, and that those

3835
03:22:37,639 --> 03:22:39,760
are some unfortunate YouTube videos if you can find them,

3836
03:22:39,840 --> 03:22:43,079
let me tell you that. Oh the ladies and gentlemen.

3837
03:22:43,159 --> 03:22:47,920
Rusty Brooks, Okay, we've definitely checked that box Rus Brooks.

3838
03:22:48,040 --> 03:22:50,879
Rustin is exactly washer wonders. Has there ever been a

3839
03:22:50,920 --> 03:22:53,479
more different contract two gimmicks in the same body as

3840
03:22:53,520 --> 03:22:57,319
laps dance bivey and lapsed Whale and Mercy Aby lapsed

3841
03:22:57,360 --> 03:22:59,319
dolely and lapsed Doly.

3842
03:23:00,200 --> 03:23:04,280
Speaker 1: That's that's that is definitely true. So that's definitely true.

3843
03:23:05,200 --> 03:23:07,000
Speaker 2: But you know who isn't kind of two faced and

3844
03:23:07,920 --> 03:23:10,920
who comes off consistently in just exactly one way every

3845
03:23:10,959 --> 03:23:12,600
single time, no matter what you say to him?

3846
03:23:13,000 --> 03:23:15,719
Speaker 1: Who Zach brought it to us?

3847
03:23:17,159 --> 03:23:22,879
Speaker 3: This is w w E Hall of Famer Tito Santana

3848
03:23:24,079 --> 03:23:28,799
giving a shout out to Jack as me by Zach.

3849
03:23:30,079 --> 03:23:34,680
Speaker 4: So you're right back in the nineties the body Jesse

3850
03:23:34,879 --> 03:23:40,479
Ventura used to say, I used to sell tacos in Tijuana. Well,

3851
03:23:41,239 --> 03:23:44,840
Jesse was a great commentator and a great wrestler who

3852
03:23:44,920 --> 03:23:49,520
did say that? Plus a bunch of other stuff, But no, Jack,

3853
03:23:49,719 --> 03:23:51,280
I was born in Mission, Texas.

3854
03:23:52,440 --> 03:23:55,559
Speaker 1: I was a migrant. I worked in the fields. I

3855
03:23:55,680 --> 03:23:58,399
wish I was a good cook. I wish I could

3856
03:23:58,479 --> 03:24:01,360
cook in Schilada's like my mom, But I can't.

3857
03:24:02,920 --> 03:24:07,079
Speaker 3: My mom, Mexican mom, wouldn't let the boys do anything

3858
03:24:07,159 --> 03:24:10,479
in the kitchen. She did everything for us.

3859
03:24:11,040 --> 03:24:12,239
Speaker 1: May she rest in peace.

3860
03:24:13,520 --> 03:24:19,479
Speaker 4: So you're right, Jesse, the body which ends up to

3861
03:24:19,559 --> 03:24:21,040
be a really good friend of mine.

3862
03:24:21,879 --> 03:24:24,520
Speaker 1: I hope I answered your question, Jack, I.

3863
03:24:26,200 --> 03:24:28,040
Speaker 2: Can only what I like to do is like reverse

3864
03:24:28,079 --> 03:24:30,159
engineer what the questions were, because I see the answers

3865
03:24:30,159 --> 03:24:32,639
before I see the questions. Yes, and he must have

3866
03:24:32,719 --> 03:24:35,719
asked him like, did you did you grow up in

3867
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:36,879
Mexico selling tacos?

3868
03:24:37,200 --> 03:24:38,600
Speaker 1: Were you ever a taco vendor?

3869
03:24:39,120 --> 03:24:39,239
Speaker 3: Esse?

3870
03:24:39,520 --> 03:24:45,719
Speaker 1: Jesse Ventura clanned? And can you make uncolentary Enchiladas? I

3871
03:24:45,799 --> 03:24:49,120
guess are very good? I guess that's a great question. Really.

3872
03:24:49,159 --> 03:24:51,479
I mean, if there's one thing I didn't know about you?

3873
03:24:51,879 --> 03:24:54,440
So do you make? Do you make Enchilada's? Big fan

3874
03:24:54,559 --> 03:25:07,319
of Enchilada's since I started living down in Mexico. Hey, Hey, Hey, Chico. Hey,

3875
03:25:07,719 --> 03:25:15,280
now wait just a minute, now, wait, just you're gonna

3876
03:25:15,440 --> 03:25:21,159
tell me. You're gonna tell me Chevani that Chico Santana

3877
03:25:21,319 --> 03:25:29,079
never sold tacos in Tijuana. I wasn't born yesterday. I

3878
03:25:29,200 --> 03:25:32,360
wasn't I wasn't born in Mexico, but I do live there.

3879
03:25:37,120 --> 03:25:41,639
William says, sids epidermous fluid contains baby oil, vienna juice warmed,

3880
03:25:41,719 --> 03:25:43,959
not gelatinous, as if it was heated in the microwave,

3881
03:25:44,520 --> 03:25:52,719
round up and infield dirt. I mean it's round round

3882
03:25:53,079 --> 03:25:55,840
is a tough, tough one that one hits I I

3883
03:25:56,559 --> 03:25:59,239
you know, and I also think part of it is

3884
03:25:59,280 --> 03:26:02,760
to of Sid's skin. You know, when you cook a

3885
03:26:02,840 --> 03:26:04,879
hot dog a little too long and then you let

3886
03:26:04,959 --> 03:26:07,360
it sit out and it gets all shrivey and like

3887
03:26:07,559 --> 03:26:12,719
tough and crunchy. Gross. Right now, that's part of it

3888
03:26:12,879 --> 03:26:15,479
right there, that Sid.

3889
03:26:16,040 --> 03:26:18,479
Speaker 2: So they are from Tito Santana, thank you very much.

3890
03:26:18,520 --> 03:26:21,000
Always good to hear from I think I think we

3891
03:26:21,280 --> 03:26:24,959
can say, boss, it's always good to hear from Tito, right, yes,

3892
03:26:25,040 --> 03:26:28,840
it is always, especially when it's unexpected. Christopher says, I

3893
03:26:28,879 --> 03:26:31,440
feel like I'm having a coliseum colonoscopy and I'm not

3894
03:26:31,520 --> 03:26:37,200
saying stop, I'm just saying more Miralaxe, and he said, fascinatingly,

3895
03:26:37,520 --> 03:26:40,440
write this one down for the upcoming the complete Hull Cogan.

3896
03:26:40,680 --> 03:26:43,760
Hogan did challenge for the Intercontinental.

3897
03:26:43,159 --> 03:26:50,239
Speaker 1: Title outside of the Wrestlmini six match in nineteen eighty one.

3898
03:26:51,399 --> 03:26:56,440
Whoa against two Pedro Morales and none of Wow than

3899
03:26:58,040 --> 03:26:59,399
look at that? Can we deal with that?

3900
03:27:00,239 --> 03:27:00,280
Speaker 3: No?

3901
03:27:01,200 --> 03:27:01,879
Speaker 1: No, I cannot.

3902
03:27:02,920 --> 03:27:05,639
Speaker 2: Andrew noticed the lapsed editor article for the mailbag. Hello,

3903
03:27:05,760 --> 03:27:09,920
I formally submit the attached article from the Atlanta Constitution, Atlanta, Georgia, Sunday,

3904
03:27:09,959 --> 03:27:12,360
October twenty second, nineteen seventy eight, just around the time

3905
03:27:12,399 --> 03:27:15,479
Hogan would have arrived down there, with the following excerpt. Today,

3906
03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:18,399
the sport of kings has become rosslin, as practiced by

3907
03:27:18,440 --> 03:27:21,120
the National Wrestling Alliance and other similar federations of promoters

3908
03:27:21,159 --> 03:27:23,559
throughout the country. Wrestling today is considered by many to

3909
03:27:23,639 --> 03:27:28,760
be more theater than sport. You ready for the quote

3910
03:27:28,799 --> 03:27:33,239
from Atlantic Constitution Executive Sports editor Paul Body, please, As

3911
03:27:33,280 --> 03:27:36,120
the paper notes, echoing the policies of numerous newspapers, the

3912
03:27:36,239 --> 03:27:40,879
quote is we don't cover it because it's a feature event.

3913
03:27:41,600 --> 03:27:47,600
It's a set script the promoters already know what the

3914
03:27:47,680 --> 03:27:53,239
outcome will be. Oh, yes they do, Yes they do.

3915
03:27:55,120 --> 03:27:59,120
Speaker 1: Putting that quote in an article just amazing. I have

3916
03:27:59,280 --> 03:28:01,399
no problem with it shadows whatsoever.

3917
03:28:01,079 --> 03:28:04,440
Speaker 2: To Andre who took the time to make a image

3918
03:28:04,559 --> 03:28:08,479
of what the Dance Spivey book we suggested might look like.

3919
03:28:09,120 --> 03:28:11,520
I don't know if you remember the title we suggested, Boss,

3920
03:28:11,559 --> 03:28:13,920
but I don't put it in the chat while you

3921
03:28:14,120 --> 03:28:15,559
just you just said the word right there. I need

3922
03:28:15,600 --> 03:28:25,280
to take a good look at what a score one

3923
03:28:25,319 --> 03:28:25,879
for a I R.

3924
03:28:25,959 --> 03:28:32,920
Speaker 1: On this one. I have to say, tell him, tell

3925
03:28:33,000 --> 03:28:33,680
him what you're.

3926
03:28:33,559 --> 03:28:42,280
Speaker 6: Saying, tell him what you see. It got fucking wail

3927
03:28:42,360 --> 03:28:47,280
and mercy dance Spiby sitting with his elbows on his.

3928
03:28:47,360 --> 03:28:51,239
Speaker 1: Knees, his his his his hands clapped together, and his

3929
03:28:51,680 --> 03:28:54,440
like leaning on it with his chin behind him. Is

3930
03:28:54,520 --> 03:28:59,040
the word don't underneath don't. This is the book title.

3931
03:28:59,079 --> 03:29:02,200
Don't is this book tip? And the subtitle is long

3932
03:29:02,319 --> 03:29:09,959
Strides and Low Ambition. Dan Spivey guy has no chance

3933
03:29:10,719 --> 03:29:14,680
showing up on that tape when he did, no chance. None. Listen,

3934
03:29:14,760 --> 03:29:19,479
it's totally fucked all right. Fucking shirt too. That that

3935
03:29:19,680 --> 03:29:22,000
shirt is hilarious. I mean I'll tell you this is

3936
03:29:22,159 --> 03:29:24,559
this is what AI is all is all about. Yeah,

3937
03:29:24,639 --> 03:29:27,280
all right to me, this is what AI needs to be.

3938
03:29:27,920 --> 03:29:31,520
It's this or or what you know Tim's shirt and

3939
03:29:31,719 --> 03:29:39,399
I do. We'll text each other, you know, something will

3940
03:29:39,559 --> 03:29:43,479
something will spawn some topic and we'll start sending each other. Yes,

3941
03:29:44,079 --> 03:29:51,159
AI images of film composers wrestling. Oh, I can see that.

3942
03:29:51,280 --> 03:29:54,000
I'm like John Williams, like, of course, trying to make

3943
03:29:54,319 --> 03:29:57,920
trying to make Hans Zimmer submit in order they have

3944
03:29:58,040 --> 03:30:00,719
a ladder match, and it's just like, it's just fucking

3945
03:30:02,200 --> 03:30:06,559
it's so, it's just it's crazy, it's absurd. But that's

3946
03:30:06,639 --> 03:30:10,000
that's what AI is good for. Yeah, stop taking jobs.

3947
03:30:11,200 --> 03:30:15,159
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it. You know what, TKO isn't good

3948
03:30:15,159 --> 03:30:19,159
for wrestling? According to Josh from Knoxville, Tennessee, I'd like

3949
03:30:19,239 --> 03:30:23,239
you to share his well well phrased sentiments with the

3950
03:30:23,280 --> 03:30:24,200
Solar System boss.

3951
03:30:25,360 --> 03:30:33,760
Speaker 1: There you go, okay, dear CoA chairman. Since the TKO merger,

3952
03:30:33,920 --> 03:30:36,399
WWE has become less of a wrestling company and more

3953
03:30:36,440 --> 03:30:40,440
of a branded content wasteland designed by people who wouldn't

3954
03:30:40,479 --> 03:30:43,959
know a wristlock from a wristwatch. It's not storytelling. It's

3955
03:30:44,239 --> 03:30:49,959
corporate LARPing. What's LARPing? I don't know LARPing. I think

3956
03:30:49,959 --> 03:30:53,079
it's like carping. Oh okay, let me let me take

3957
03:30:53,079 --> 03:30:55,959
a look. Actually I don't know. And and not the

3958
03:30:56,079 --> 03:31:01,600
fun kinda oh I see, oh I see. I uh,

3959
03:31:01,719 --> 03:31:05,000
and not the fun kind. This is excel sheet wrestling,

3960
03:31:05,200 --> 03:31:09,159
booked by market analysts and delivered in digestible chunks for

3961
03:31:09,360 --> 03:31:12,840
board executives who think kay sahebe is a sushi role.

3962
03:31:14,760 --> 03:31:18,200
I do like spreadsheet wrestling. That actually, yes, that that's

3963
03:31:18,319 --> 03:31:21,319
that is tremendous. That's really clearly brilliant. I like I

3964
03:31:21,559 --> 03:31:25,600
like that they're booked by market analysts. Yes, I love that.

3965
03:31:25,760 --> 03:31:28,639
That's what it is. It's like you have stock stock

3966
03:31:28,760 --> 03:31:31,479
market analysts who are saying, well, you know, I think

3967
03:31:31,600 --> 03:31:34,239
this this one would really kind of boost the numbers.

3968
03:31:34,280 --> 03:31:35,520
Oh my god. Yeah.

3969
03:31:35,520 --> 03:31:38,239
Speaker 2: And they used to laugh people off the investors calls

3970
03:31:38,639 --> 03:31:40,719
that used to talk about the storylines, and now like

3971
03:31:40,920 --> 03:31:43,879
right right, those people, it is basically deciding what direction

3972
03:31:44,000 --> 03:31:44,520
it all takes.

3973
03:31:45,200 --> 03:31:49,639
Speaker 1: And yet, like a fool, I keep showing up. It's correcting, praying, needing,

3974
03:31:49,879 --> 03:31:54,200
but not wwe Oh no, I need the co chairman

3975
03:31:54,280 --> 03:31:58,360
in my ass like WW needs another grifter YouTuber overreacting

3976
03:31:58,399 --> 03:32:01,120
to another Paul Hayman promo. I need it the way

3977
03:32:01,239 --> 03:32:04,600
Triple H needs to treat every post pl E press

3978
03:32:04,680 --> 03:32:07,959
conference like a super Bowl winning coat. You are the

3979
03:32:08,040 --> 03:32:10,799
only ones reminding me that it used to mean something.

3980
03:32:11,280 --> 03:32:14,239
You're my tether to win. This business was still run

3981
03:32:14,360 --> 03:32:18,680
by sociopaths and not spreadsheets. And that's it. You know what,

3982
03:32:18,760 --> 03:32:21,280
do you prefer sociopaths or spreadsheets? That's a good t

3983
03:32:21,399 --> 03:32:27,479
shirt right there. Sociopaths over spreadsheets? Is that some That's

3984
03:32:27,520 --> 03:32:29,239
about the sum of it, you know. There it is

3985
03:32:29,879 --> 03:32:34,360
when a worked shoot meant something, when Danger and Carnie

3986
03:32:34,479 --> 03:32:38,360
Magic lived under every turnbuckle. Now Cody finishes the story

3987
03:32:38,399 --> 03:32:42,719
and it still feels like page one. Roman's off on

3988
03:32:42,920 --> 03:32:48,920
PTO La Knights catchphrases have been focus grouped into oblivion

3989
03:32:49,799 --> 03:32:52,520
and logan Paul Asmo become one of the most protected

3990
03:32:52,559 --> 03:32:57,239
workers on the roster, which tells me everything I need

3991
03:32:57,319 --> 03:33:03,559
to know about the target demographic. Right not me, It's

3992
03:33:03,639 --> 03:33:06,159
just it's not just creative. WWE n R TKO has

3993
03:33:06,200 --> 03:33:11,239
become a content farm, not a wrestling company. Everything is monetized,

3994
03:33:11,319 --> 03:33:19,559
clipped packaged and forgotten. Listen, you want moments, we get

3995
03:33:20,319 --> 03:33:25,200
metrics and the kicker. They've taken the fans completely out

3996
03:33:25,239 --> 03:33:28,000
of the question. WWE has become a product for partners,

3997
03:33:28,559 --> 03:33:32,879
shareholders and international media rights fans. We're the ones they

3998
03:33:33,040 --> 03:33:37,319
fleece with fanatics hoodies and CGI lighting lightning bolts. And

3999
03:33:37,399 --> 03:33:39,879
if you're not compliant with the narrative, you're not the

4000
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:43,959
target demo anymore. Ingo, So I come to you, Jack

4001
03:33:44,000 --> 03:33:47,000
and JP. Keep me warm, keep me lapsed, keep me prolapsed,

4002
03:33:47,399 --> 03:33:50,239
keep me deep in that audio documentary goodness, because if

4003
03:33:50,239 --> 03:33:53,000
I have to watch WWE, pretend it's prestige television for

4004
03:33:53,079 --> 03:33:58,760
another quarter. Oh wait till the fucking unreal show comes out.

4005
03:33:59,280 --> 03:34:01,760
Oh man, wait for that. You know, they think they're

4006
03:34:01,799 --> 03:34:04,200
doing the they're basically think they're doing the f one

4007
03:34:04,520 --> 03:34:07,559
racing thing, right, like the behind the scenes, like listen,

4008
03:34:07,879 --> 03:34:11,559
nobody cares all right, like nobody think.

4009
03:34:11,760 --> 03:34:13,680
Speaker 2: There was a quote I read from a Netflix guy,

4010
03:34:14,000 --> 03:34:15,719
or I think the guy who directed it for Netflix,

4011
03:34:15,760 --> 03:34:17,399
because it is kind of an outside person that did

4012
03:34:17,440 --> 03:34:19,879
this project and he thinks like this is going to

4013
03:34:19,920 --> 03:34:22,239
hook new people into WW when they realize how it

4014
03:34:22,319 --> 03:34:22,719
all works.

4015
03:34:22,760 --> 03:34:27,319
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes. No, no, they're not. It's it's gonna

4016
03:34:27,360 --> 03:34:29,399
turn What it's gonna do is it's gonna turn people

4017
03:34:29,399 --> 03:34:33,399
who were on there on the last threads away. No,

4018
03:34:33,479 --> 03:34:35,600
one's gonna fucking wat Why why would I want to?

4019
03:34:37,319 --> 03:34:45,559
It's like, I mean, okay, because it's like having a

4020
03:34:45,680 --> 03:34:52,879
weekly television show of a movie being made and then

4021
03:34:53,079 --> 03:34:54,680
you go see the movie when it comes out, Like,

4022
03:34:55,000 --> 03:34:58,120
I don't care. Listen, I'm fascinated by that stuff, and

4023
03:34:58,200 --> 03:35:00,639
I would want to. I would want to, I would

4024
03:35:00,680 --> 03:35:04,239
want to experience it, but I'm not gonna watch it.

4025
03:35:06,040 --> 03:35:10,360
It's fucking stupid. Like, if anything, they should have made

4026
03:35:10,399 --> 03:35:13,719
this a fictional show. Well, you know that's that would

4027
03:35:13,760 --> 03:35:16,799
be funny. It will be I mean, right, that's the thing.

4028
03:35:16,840 --> 03:35:18,639
It will be, guys, like help it work if a

4029
03:35:18,680 --> 03:35:20,399
camera's on in the room. It's it's just you know.

4030
03:35:20,920 --> 03:35:24,040
Speaker 2: I know because I remember talking to Court Bauer about

4031
03:35:24,079 --> 03:35:28,200
this years ago, because I I did a hit on

4032
03:35:28,239 --> 03:35:30,920
Wrestling Observer Radio with Dave and Bryan one time because

4033
03:35:31,680 --> 03:35:34,239
we were talking. I was talking about how this idea

4034
03:35:34,520 --> 03:35:36,920
would I think be a way to drive subscriptions to

4035
03:35:36,959 --> 03:35:37,319
the network.

4036
03:35:37,360 --> 03:35:39,680
Speaker 1: By the way, just kind I asked them to think

4037
03:35:39,719 --> 03:35:42,319
about this. Did you ever think back in like two

4038
03:35:42,360 --> 03:35:46,639
thousand and two that you'd ever be like, you know,

4039
03:35:47,079 --> 03:35:52,000
doing shit with Dave? Well not, No. I corresponded with

4040
03:35:52,079 --> 03:35:53,840
him regularly, and I interviewed him a bunch of times.

4041
03:35:53,879 --> 03:35:56,799
But not when you were in college just reading me

4042
03:35:56,879 --> 03:35:58,840
the observer. No, like, did you ever think you would

4043
03:35:58,879 --> 03:36:01,639
like collaborate or whatever. No, no, no, no, no, not

4044
03:36:01,760 --> 03:36:03,639
the odd just calling into his radio show and like

4045
03:36:03,760 --> 03:36:07,079
emailing them and stuff. Yet right now, that's that's true. Yeah,

4046
03:36:07,159 --> 03:36:08,920
we can't lose sight of that ten years on. You

4047
03:36:09,000 --> 03:36:11,920
know how he came into the fold in those early

4048
03:36:11,959 --> 03:36:14,799
WrestleMania and Star Kate episodes, and that's pretty wild to

4049
03:36:14,840 --> 03:36:15,239
think about.

4050
03:36:15,879 --> 03:36:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. But we were just talking

4051
03:36:17,600 --> 03:36:20,239
about like in those earliest days in the network, when

4052
03:36:20,239 --> 03:36:22,200
it was just run by WW there was no peacock,

4053
03:36:22,239 --> 03:36:24,440
there was no guaranteed money. They were sweating every single

4054
03:36:24,520 --> 03:36:26,879
month the subscriber number and what they'd have to report

4055
03:36:26,920 --> 03:36:28,399
to Wall Street at the end of the quarter. They

4056
03:36:28,440 --> 03:36:30,600
were pulling all kinds of gammicks. Remember like if you

4057
03:36:30,920 --> 03:36:33,360
oh yeah, you get you lock in a cheaper price,

4058
03:36:33,440 --> 03:36:35,680
if you agree not to cancel for six months, and

4059
03:36:35,760 --> 03:36:38,000
it's like, you have no control of where whether someone

4060
03:36:38,079 --> 03:36:40,440
cancels or not. You can't do that to people, right,

4061
03:36:40,559 --> 03:36:43,079
You can't insist that they paid for something every month

4062
03:36:43,159 --> 03:36:45,559
that they unless you make them sign an anual contract.

4063
03:36:46,120 --> 03:36:48,040
But they never really wanted to do that because they

4064
03:36:48,079 --> 03:36:50,000
were so stuck on that nine to ninety nine numbers,

4065
03:36:50,079 --> 03:36:54,639
this like psychological thing, and they were just like constantly

4066
03:36:54,719 --> 03:36:57,280
touting how many total hours of footage they had on

4067
03:36:57,399 --> 03:37:01,760
there and playing all these games ye and I was like, well,

4068
03:37:01,840 --> 03:37:05,399
what if they just, you know, what if a way

4069
03:37:05,680 --> 03:37:07,639
to get all the people who watched Raw, which was

4070
03:37:07,680 --> 03:37:09,959
in the millions compared to the hundreds of thousands that

4071
03:37:10,040 --> 03:37:13,120
had the network, or at least the Nielsen ratings gave

4072
03:37:13,200 --> 03:37:14,840
us the sense that it was in the millions anyway,

4073
03:37:16,079 --> 03:37:18,319
if you gave them sort of like follow on shoulder

4074
03:37:18,360 --> 03:37:21,239
programming where they actually could see how the episode of

4075
03:37:21,440 --> 03:37:24,639
Raw that they just saw came together. Because there was

4076
03:37:24,760 --> 03:37:28,120
so much it was becoming so clear that the network

4077
03:37:28,360 --> 03:37:32,879
was hitting primarily people who you know, had enough of

4078
03:37:32,920 --> 03:37:35,360
a familiarity and affinity for WW It was their core

4079
03:37:35,559 --> 03:37:38,280
core base. It was people who might actually be interested

4080
03:37:38,399 --> 03:37:40,680
in kind of pulling back the curtain a little bit,

4081
03:37:40,959 --> 03:37:42,959
and I thought it would generate a lot of mainstream publicity.

4082
03:37:43,079 --> 03:37:45,520
WW pulls back the curtain. I thought the stories wrote themselves,

4083
03:37:45,559 --> 03:37:48,239
you know, the WWE's letting the audience into the room

4084
03:37:48,319 --> 03:37:51,879
and stuff. Yea, all these years later, they're actually doing it.

4085
03:37:52,399 --> 03:37:55,360
And one of the things I always wondered about as

4086
03:37:55,399 --> 03:37:56,840
far as how to get around it is kind of

4087
03:37:56,879 --> 03:37:59,879
like what you're saying, Like when you think about seeing

4088
03:38:00,159 --> 03:38:02,159
someone making a movie and then going to watch the movie,

4089
03:38:02,639 --> 03:38:06,840
that doesn't that doesn't really sound that intriguing. But if

4090
03:38:06,879 --> 03:38:09,440
you see it after the movie comes out, like you

4091
03:38:09,440 --> 03:38:11,639
would see a making a documentary.

4092
03:38:11,600 --> 03:38:16,000
Speaker 1: But that's that's one off thing. Yeah, one one off

4093
03:38:16,079 --> 03:38:19,799
thing for one movie. That's a one off thing. Like you, yes,

4094
03:38:19,879 --> 03:38:23,239
of course listen, I I I always love features and

4095
03:38:23,680 --> 03:38:26,159
and and what I've always loved that like and one

4096
03:38:26,200 --> 03:38:28,479
of my favorites of all time is the is in

4097
03:38:28,600 --> 03:38:32,479
the The Gladiator Extended edition that came out in like

4098
03:38:32,600 --> 03:38:35,639
two thousand and five or whatever. They had a three

4099
03:38:35,719 --> 03:38:39,959
hour documentary and listen, that's great. But also the difference

4100
03:38:40,040 --> 03:38:42,159
is too is that there were real stakes actually involved,

4101
03:38:42,879 --> 03:38:45,280
whereas like and I get that there are real stakes here.

4102
03:38:45,360 --> 03:38:46,879
But you know, there's a lot of drama that what

4103
03:38:47,239 --> 03:38:51,520
happened on in that particular movie, And I just I

4104
03:38:51,680 --> 03:38:55,440
just don't think a weekly television show is what the is?

4105
03:38:55,479 --> 03:38:58,079
What the answer is A one off thing is different.

4106
03:38:58,559 --> 03:39:01,440
If they did a two hour documentary, I think that

4107
03:39:01,479 --> 03:39:04,000
would be interesting, Yeah, but I think having a weekly

4108
03:39:04,159 --> 03:39:09,520
television program about how they create the fake wrestling is like,

4109
03:39:10,559 --> 03:39:11,680
I don't know, he listened.

4110
03:39:11,760 --> 03:39:13,879
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong. I think there's a way to wrong

4111
03:39:13,879 --> 03:39:16,200
to do it, but I don't know. The reason to

4112
03:39:16,319 --> 03:39:17,719
the core Pauer about it was because he used to

4113
03:39:17,719 --> 03:39:19,040
be in the writing team. We've had him on the show.

4114
03:39:19,079 --> 03:39:21,000
He talked about Art of War Games. You used to

4115
03:39:21,000 --> 03:39:23,520
be MLW Bookern was there. He said they were working

4116
03:39:23,600 --> 03:39:25,760
on something like that. At one point they were kind

4117
03:39:25,799 --> 03:39:27,239
of messing around with the pilot, and he said one

4118
03:39:27,280 --> 03:39:30,000
of the things, if I'm remembering correctly, at hate to

4119
03:39:30,040 --> 03:39:32,000
be misquoting him, but it was sort of like what

4120
03:39:32,120 --> 03:39:34,079
happened was people on the writing team, especially once he

4121
03:39:34,159 --> 03:39:36,959
used to be you know, wrestlers or television personalities, they

4122
03:39:37,079 --> 03:39:39,520
just immediately just started trying to become the star of

4123
03:39:39,559 --> 03:39:42,159
the show. And you actually didn't end up all getting

4124
03:39:42,799 --> 03:39:46,399
a reflection of the organic creation process, because what's really

4125
03:39:46,520 --> 03:39:49,000
key about that whole thing is that the real decisions

4126
03:39:49,239 --> 03:39:52,319
are made after the meeting's over, the one to one

4127
03:39:52,760 --> 03:39:55,600
little conversations in the hallway, right, you know, where everyone's

4128
03:39:55,639 --> 03:39:57,840
k favoring each other in the room. So I do

4129
03:39:58,000 --> 03:40:00,920
look forward to them pretending that the big conference table

4130
03:40:01,000 --> 03:40:03,239
is where the real winners and losers get picked, when

4131
03:40:03,319 --> 03:40:06,079
in reality, it's just like that's the consensus and then

4132
03:40:06,120 --> 03:40:09,399
everyone goes in politics one to one afterwards to make

4133
03:40:09,520 --> 03:40:11,719
last minute changes not I don't know. I don't know

4134
03:40:11,719 --> 03:40:14,040
if Triple Ah is receptive to that or not. But

4135
03:40:14,200 --> 03:40:17,159
we're going to see. And the idea that they the

4136
03:40:17,280 --> 03:40:18,920
idea I think is going to drive new fans, is

4137
03:40:19,159 --> 03:40:21,879
pretty hilarious to me. I've seen stranger things I've seen.

4138
03:40:22,239 --> 03:40:25,680
I've seen Total Bella's drastically increase the amount of women

4139
03:40:25,719 --> 03:40:26,200
watching RAW.

4140
03:40:26,280 --> 03:40:28,959
Speaker 1: It's I mean, I mean yeah, I mean listen, I'm

4141
03:40:28,959 --> 03:40:31,040
not I'm not saying that it's not going to happen.

4142
03:40:31,079 --> 03:40:34,280
I just I just don't see how that would do

4143
03:40:34,399 --> 03:40:36,239
the trick to me. It just I just can't I

4144
03:40:36,319 --> 03:40:38,840
can't picture it. I don't see it, Yeah, and maybe

4145
03:40:38,879 --> 03:40:41,680
it will maybe maybe you will do everything you know

4146
03:40:41,879 --> 03:40:44,399
that they're that they're fucking talking about, But it just

4147
03:40:45,600 --> 03:40:48,559
I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it at all.

4148
03:40:49,959 --> 03:40:52,200
Speaker 2: It's very I look forward to seeing how they present

4149
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:54,360
it because it's something I've thought about what it would

4150
03:40:54,399 --> 03:40:56,399
look like for a long time. I thought it was

4151
03:40:56,399 --> 03:40:58,239
going to be a lot more interesting when Vince was around,

4152
03:40:58,280 --> 03:41:01,520
because everyone always so you really want to know what

4153
03:41:01,639 --> 03:41:03,399
I really thought the value would be, honestly, is to

4154
03:41:03,440 --> 03:41:06,159
be able to study the look on Vince's face and

4155
03:41:06,239 --> 03:41:08,639
the tone of his voice when he discussed his individual talent,

4156
03:41:09,079 --> 03:41:11,319
like that means yeah, because that to me get talent

4157
03:41:11,440 --> 03:41:14,040
over like if people suspected from watching a show like

4158
03:41:14,120 --> 03:41:16,280
this that Vince wasn't giving a guy affair shot, or

4159
03:41:16,360 --> 03:41:20,280
Vince had blinders on regarding a certain talents upside because

4160
03:41:20,280 --> 03:41:21,920
this was during the time you gotta remember, I'm talking

4161
03:41:21,959 --> 03:41:26,559
like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, pre aew pre evenknew Japan's resurgence.

4162
03:41:26,639 --> 03:41:28,360
This was the time when people were just like, why

4163
03:41:28,799 --> 03:41:32,120
are these great wrestlers getting absolutely no chance when there's

4164
03:41:32,159 --> 03:41:34,239
only one place to really go in the entire business

4165
03:41:34,280 --> 03:41:37,200
to make a real living, and everybody was there, you know,

4166
03:41:37,639 --> 03:41:37,840
and that.

4167
03:41:37,959 --> 03:41:38,639
Speaker 1: Was kind of what I thought.

4168
03:41:38,680 --> 03:41:40,479
Speaker 2: The upshot of it was was like it's almost like

4169
03:41:40,520 --> 03:41:43,360
a way to get to Vince in his mindset because

4170
03:41:43,360 --> 03:41:45,000
of how big a hit him being on the Stone

4171
03:41:45,040 --> 03:41:47,600
Cold podcast was, and what he said about John Moxley,

4172
03:41:47,639 --> 03:41:49,760
what he said about Czarro, what he said about a

4173
03:41:49,799 --> 03:41:51,840
handful of wrestlers. That really stuck with you because it

4174
03:41:51,920 --> 03:41:54,440
was that rare opportunity to really get a pulse check

4175
03:41:54,479 --> 03:41:57,360
from Vince on what he thought about the wrestlers right right.

4176
03:41:58,000 --> 03:41:59,559
And I don't know, I just thought that would be

4177
03:41:59,600 --> 03:42:02,360
fascinating now that it's now that it's like t KO

4178
03:42:02,520 --> 03:42:04,719
and stuff and all these guys, all these guys are

4179
03:42:04,719 --> 03:42:06,639
workers and shirts and they're not like they're not.

4180
03:42:06,680 --> 03:42:07,399
Speaker 1: The old cabal.

4181
03:42:07,680 --> 03:42:09,520
Speaker 2: I used to like that idea, you know, of like

4182
03:42:09,920 --> 03:42:14,159
the Jerry Briscoes and those kind of guys, the Patterson

4183
03:42:14,319 --> 03:42:15,920
sitting around tapping the desk.

4184
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:16,159
Speaker 3: You know.

4185
03:42:16,239 --> 03:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it would be I think it would

4186
03:42:18,040 --> 03:42:20,280
be drobendous if you go, you know, and making these

4187
03:42:20,319 --> 03:42:24,680
little political uh suggestions back and forth. But now they

4188
03:42:25,159 --> 03:42:28,520
they they do production meetings and they have these expensive

4189
03:42:28,600 --> 03:42:31,079
conference rooms and that's not really what I mean, you know,

4190
03:42:31,600 --> 03:42:35,639
but right, and yeah, maybe they can capture more than that.

4191
03:42:35,760 --> 03:42:38,200
Maybe maybe they can capture more because they're kind of

4192
03:42:38,200 --> 03:42:40,280
playing it up like we're gonna take you through how

4193
03:42:40,440 --> 03:42:43,879
Rock Cody all that went down, and there's like there

4194
03:42:43,920 --> 03:42:47,440
were cameras and these key moments where changes in direction

4195
03:42:47,559 --> 03:42:49,920
were being communicated to people backstage. There's like a lot

4196
03:42:49,959 --> 03:42:55,079
more film than we realize. Okay, I mean, whatever, Rock's

4197
03:42:55,120 --> 03:42:56,440
gonna have something to say. These are the kind of

4198
03:42:56,520 --> 03:42:59,440
Rock is such a documentary mark like, oh, of course

4199
03:42:59,479 --> 03:43:03,280
he's gonna like micromanage every frame that he's in on

4200
03:43:03,360 --> 03:43:05,319
a show like this. Gouda protoct the perception. You know,

4201
03:43:06,040 --> 03:43:10,079
it's gonna have a just the gaudiest Versaci shirt you've

4202
03:43:10,079 --> 03:43:11,879
ever seen in every.

4203
03:43:11,760 --> 03:43:16,360
Speaker 1: Oh God list. I wouldn't expect anything less. Okay, I

4204
03:43:16,440 --> 03:43:17,920
would not expect anything less.

4205
03:43:18,200 --> 03:43:19,920
Speaker 2: Zach Alson makes a good point. He says, you know,

4206
03:43:20,040 --> 03:43:22,639
when tapes were sixty dollars, You're right, no one questioned

4207
03:43:22,959 --> 03:43:25,719
that's what they were worth. But I also didn't know

4208
03:43:25,799 --> 03:43:27,719
of anyone who had very many tapes because it was

4209
03:43:27,760 --> 03:43:29,920
such a premium to actually buy one. If someone bought

4210
03:43:29,959 --> 03:43:32,879
all three tapes in eighty six from Coliseum Video would

4211
03:43:32,879 --> 03:43:34,920
have roughly been the same cost as buying a Nintendo

4212
03:43:35,079 --> 03:43:35,959
Entertainment says.

4213
03:43:36,479 --> 03:43:39,760
Speaker 1: It's true. It is very true. I don't know how that,

4214
03:43:41,799 --> 03:43:46,040
you know, I never I never bought, you know, I copied,

4215
03:43:47,319 --> 03:43:49,120
I rented and and I copied.

4216
03:43:48,799 --> 03:43:54,360
Speaker 2: And people still made bajillions of dollars off distributing vvhs

4217
03:43:55,159 --> 03:43:56,120
and no one complained about it.

4218
03:43:56,159 --> 03:43:58,120
Speaker 1: I was alive. No one complained about tapes being that much.

4219
03:43:58,159 --> 03:43:58,760
No one complained.

4220
03:43:59,559 --> 03:44:01,239
Speaker 2: But then course, like everything else, it becomes a race

4221
03:44:01,280 --> 03:44:03,000
to the bottom from a price perspective. What if we

4222
03:44:03,079 --> 03:44:05,360
made it twenty dollars, Oh yeah, well, we'll make it eighteen,

4223
03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:08,239
we'll make it fourteen, we'll make it twelve, and then

4224
03:44:08,239 --> 03:44:09,719
pretty soon it's just like, what are we doing here?

4225
03:44:10,120 --> 03:44:11,120
Speaker 1: We'll make it my mom.

4226
03:44:11,120 --> 03:44:12,959
Speaker 2: Right, making my mom exactly, and then we've know how

4227
03:44:13,040 --> 03:44:17,719
that goes. And now everything it's not even worth two

4228
03:44:17,840 --> 03:44:21,239
million movies on Netflix aren't even arguably worth fourteen ninety

4229
03:44:21,280 --> 03:44:24,360
nine a month. It seems, I know, how did we

4230
03:44:24,399 --> 03:44:29,399
get here? How did we so thoroughly devalue an individual

4231
03:44:29,559 --> 03:44:32,319
unit of entertainment? How did we do this to ourselves? Well,

4232
03:44:32,399 --> 03:44:35,239
were we chasing how stupid.

4233
03:44:35,719 --> 03:44:41,680
Speaker 1: Because it became about it became because you know, just

4234
03:44:41,799 --> 03:44:46,639
kind of like what they're talking about. It changed. It

4235
03:44:46,760 --> 03:44:53,040
became more about instead of about creating entertainment or art

4236
03:44:53,239 --> 03:45:02,360
or whatever, it became about you know, when Netflix streaming okay,

4237
03:45:02,559 --> 03:45:09,239
and it became about, well, how can we maximize membership? Yep,

4238
03:45:10,600 --> 03:45:12,840
And that's just like what we're talking about with w

4239
03:45:13,159 --> 03:45:16,639
how can we get more people to sign up? And

4240
03:45:16,760 --> 03:45:18,920
then it and it became about more and more and

4241
03:45:19,040 --> 03:45:20,760
more and more and more and more and more, and

4242
03:45:20,879 --> 03:45:24,040
now we're overloaded with stuff. I mean, you know, there's

4243
03:45:24,399 --> 03:45:26,760
it's funny, you know. You know, my my parents always

4244
03:45:26,840 --> 03:45:29,079
just my mom and my grandma would always say you

4245
03:45:29,719 --> 03:45:31,920
you don't have time to watch all the videos that

4246
03:45:32,000 --> 03:45:36,239
you own. It's like, well I did, actually now I don't.

4247
03:45:37,639 --> 03:45:41,120
Now there's no time, right because like there's so much

4248
03:45:41,120 --> 03:45:44,159
shit out there. Because there's sixty prestige shows at a

4249
03:45:44,239 --> 03:45:46,680
time that everyone tells you that you have to watch, right,

4250
03:45:46,959 --> 03:45:49,680
I'm not watching any of them, guys, when I say

4251
03:45:49,959 --> 03:45:51,799
I am not going to watch a single one of them,

4252
03:45:52,479 --> 03:45:57,920
not one, because they're sixty. If there were two, like

4253
03:45:58,000 --> 03:46:02,040
Sopranos Game of Thrones days even yep, yep lost. Yeah,

4254
03:46:02,079 --> 03:46:04,680
I was there. I was fine participating in the office

4255
03:46:04,719 --> 03:46:07,399
on NBC. Yeah, I was watching every week and I

4256
03:46:07,479 --> 03:46:08,399
was fine with it because there.

4257
03:46:08,360 --> 03:46:12,959
Speaker 2: Weren't eighty shows that I had to watch and had

4258
03:46:13,040 --> 03:46:15,120
to you know what I mean, But I had to. Yes,

4259
03:46:15,840 --> 03:46:18,639
it's just not working. It's not working for anybody.

4260
03:46:19,079 --> 03:46:22,280
Speaker 1: It's harder. I mean, this is and and I mean

4261
03:46:24,000 --> 03:46:28,239
it's the market's oversaturated. It's have you seen the Happy

4262
03:46:28,239 --> 03:46:33,440
Almore sequel? No, I'm a little bitter about it. Okay,

4263
03:46:33,559 --> 03:46:36,319
well I think that that was why I asked you.

4264
03:46:36,440 --> 03:46:38,239
But well, I know, I know, I know, well I know,

4265
03:46:38,440 --> 03:46:39,680
but I don't even if I told you, you know,

4266
03:46:39,719 --> 03:46:43,280
I was. I was. I was on hold for like

4267
03:46:43,440 --> 03:46:45,079
two or three parts. I'm not sure you told me

4268
03:46:45,120 --> 03:46:48,040
that before. Yeah, they were gonna exa. I don't usually

4269
03:46:48,040 --> 03:46:50,040
talk about it until well after things are done. Yes,

4270
03:46:50,920 --> 03:46:53,719
but uh, breaking news here, folks. Yes, this is what

4271
03:46:53,799 --> 03:46:57,559
you get by listening deep into the mailbag. Right. So,

4272
03:46:57,840 --> 03:47:03,399
I I auditioned for a role and they put me,

4273
03:47:03,879 --> 03:47:05,520
put me on hold. They were going to use me,

4274
03:47:06,159 --> 03:47:10,959
and they then let me go from that role, but

4275
03:47:11,040 --> 03:47:12,760
then put me on hold for another role, and they

4276
03:47:12,760 --> 03:47:14,719
were like, we're gonna use like we want to use him,

4277
03:47:15,920 --> 03:47:18,920
you know, And so I was on hold. And then

4278
03:47:18,959 --> 03:47:20,840
I found out that MJF was in the movie and

4279
03:47:20,840 --> 03:47:24,319
I was like, oh my god, two movies jflets because

4280
03:47:24,440 --> 03:47:27,840
fucking cool. But then they never called me back. I

4281
03:47:27,959 --> 03:47:32,639
never I never worked. I think I think he might have.

4282
03:47:32,719 --> 03:47:33,719
Speaker 2: You know, he might have said no, no, no, no,

4283
03:47:33,959 --> 03:47:35,520
fucking hire that that's the guy he used to know

4284
03:47:35,600 --> 03:47:37,879
about wrestling on the last movie. I did, No, he's

4285
03:47:37,920 --> 03:47:42,360
not anywhere, get stop it, stop it. He he doesn't listen.

4286
03:47:42,479 --> 03:47:44,200
I asked him if he watched my TV show. He

4287
03:47:44,239 --> 03:47:46,799
said he he said to me that that he that

4288
03:47:46,959 --> 03:47:49,680
I that I was the guy who he would watch wrestling.

4289
03:47:50,639 --> 03:47:52,280
You know, I could make him watch wrestling again. And

4290
03:47:52,360 --> 03:47:55,799
then he say doesn't watch, So fuck him. He knows

4291
03:47:55,840 --> 03:47:58,079
too much. I don't doubt. I don't doubt that happened.

4292
03:47:58,120 --> 03:48:01,399
I don't doubt that happened for a second. And Becky

4293
03:48:01,520 --> 03:48:02,079
was on the movie.

4294
03:48:02,159 --> 03:48:05,879
Speaker 1: You know, I saw that. You think I'm gonna work

4295
03:48:05,920 --> 03:48:13,360
with the lapsed fat guy on the set. But okay,

4296
03:48:13,440 --> 03:48:14,120
so now I can go in.

4297
03:48:15,280 --> 03:48:23,319
Speaker 2: Yeahs an explosion of boardroom strategy in the form of

4298
03:48:23,360 --> 03:48:28,200
a two hour movie, just trying to shoehorn every fucking

4299
03:48:28,360 --> 03:48:31,120
person who does over a million views on reels into

4300
03:48:31,159 --> 03:48:34,120
a movie. I've never seen anything like it. These, you know,

4301
03:48:34,239 --> 03:48:36,600
they set up this whole conceit where like everyone's watching

4302
03:48:36,680 --> 03:48:39,319
this big final showdown golf show, so they have all

4303
03:48:39,399 --> 03:48:42,319
these podcasters watching like they're watching it live so they

4304
03:48:42,360 --> 03:48:43,600
can fit them into the movie.

4305
03:48:44,520 --> 03:48:46,760
Speaker 1: Am I scrolling Instagram here? Or is this supposed to

4306
03:48:46,760 --> 03:48:47,920
be a feature phone one?

4307
03:48:47,959 --> 03:48:48,440
Speaker 3: Am I? You know.

4308
03:48:50,200 --> 03:48:54,120
Speaker 2: My phone is my phone and I accept certain formats

4309
03:48:54,120 --> 03:48:56,680
of entertainment on my phone. Why is why is the

4310
03:48:56,760 --> 03:48:58,600
television obsessed with coming off.

4311
03:48:58,520 --> 03:49:01,879
Speaker 1: Like my phone? Why is every commercial vertical video? Why?

4312
03:49:01,959 --> 03:49:04,600
Speaker 2: Why is every cosmetics ad trying to convince me it's

4313
03:49:04,639 --> 03:49:05,559
actually a snapchat?

4314
03:49:05,680 --> 03:49:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm, I'm infuriated. Hor about the thought, the

4315
03:49:10,479 --> 03:49:18,559
the people, the people who liked introduced vertical video. You know,

4316
03:49:18,920 --> 03:49:21,479
that's when it started. That's when that's when we started

4317
03:49:21,559 --> 03:49:22,920
losing the battle. I swear to God.

4318
03:49:23,879 --> 03:49:26,000
Speaker 2: Remember people used to get made fun of a vertical video?

4319
03:49:26,040 --> 03:49:29,639
Remember that, Yes, because we still had an idea of

4320
03:49:29,799 --> 03:49:31,200
like what you appropriate You.

4321
03:49:31,239 --> 03:49:34,120
Speaker 1: Know that in in when I When I get an audition,

4322
03:49:34,440 --> 03:49:38,760
it has to be specified, like casting directors specified, do

4323
03:49:38,920 --> 03:49:42,200
a fucking horizonal video. Do not do a vertical video

4324
03:49:42,239 --> 03:49:43,079
for your audition.

4325
03:49:42,799 --> 03:49:44,120
Speaker 2: Because they're just going to look at it. They're just

4326
03:49:44,159 --> 03:49:45,520
going to look at it on their phone while they're

4327
03:49:45,680 --> 03:49:47,399
having a thirty dollars cappuccino.

4328
03:49:48,000 --> 03:49:49,959
Speaker 1: Because the fucking like you got to do a fucking

4329
03:49:50,079 --> 03:49:52,639
you have to do a horizonal video, you cannot do vertical.

4330
03:49:53,200 --> 03:49:56,959
They get fucking pissed. And and I just like it

4331
03:49:57,120 --> 03:50:00,600
was lazy people who were just filming shit, you know.

4332
03:50:01,440 --> 03:50:07,399
And it's like I've never I have never voluntarily like

4333
03:50:07,479 --> 03:50:10,239
when I before, you kind of you know, had to

4334
03:50:10,440 --> 03:50:15,120
now because if you if you, if you shoot horizontal

4335
03:50:15,559 --> 03:50:18,879
for social media, they don't allow it. Basically you have

4336
03:50:19,000 --> 03:50:21,159
to have these giant you know, the giant black bars

4337
03:50:21,239 --> 03:50:24,840
has a fit basically a yes, you have to. It's

4338
03:50:24,959 --> 03:50:29,879
so annoying. But I used to like say, what are

4339
03:50:29,920 --> 03:50:31,959
you doing, Like why are you filming you know, oh,

4340
03:50:32,000 --> 03:50:33,760
someone's getting beaten over there? Why are you filming it

4341
03:50:33,879 --> 03:50:37,639
that way? Film it's you know, horizontal, like a fucking movie.

4342
03:50:38,000 --> 03:50:40,239
Speaker 2: That's that gets to the idea. And I was about

4343
03:50:40,280 --> 03:50:42,559
to say this None of these choices that we've made

4344
03:50:42,639 --> 03:50:46,239
in terms of how we shoot entertainment has been done

4345
03:50:46,399 --> 03:50:52,399
with artistic goals in mind. It's all been dictated by

4346
03:50:52,760 --> 03:50:56,319
the technology. The technology should figure out.

4347
03:50:56,600 --> 03:50:59,200
Speaker 1: But it's but it's also lazy. It's also laziness. It's

4348
03:50:59,239 --> 03:51:02,680
the fact that people didn't want to you know, people

4349
03:51:02,760 --> 03:51:05,079
were scrolling in their phones and something happens, They're just like, oh,

4350
03:51:05,159 --> 03:51:06,639
let me get this, and they just fucking put their

4351
03:51:06,799 --> 03:51:09,600
put their their phone up there instead of you know,

4352
03:51:09,680 --> 03:51:11,000
doing what I would have done, which is like, oh,

4353
03:51:11,040 --> 03:51:11,760
I got to do it for the.

4354
03:51:11,760 --> 03:51:13,319
Speaker 2: Reason you just said, if they don't shoot it in

4355
03:51:13,559 --> 03:51:16,159
in vertical, then they cannot do it to social But.

4356
03:51:16,319 --> 03:51:19,280
Speaker 1: But but before that was a thing. Yeah, before before

4357
03:51:19,399 --> 03:51:22,920
social made it made it the requirement, that's what people

4358
03:51:22,959 --> 03:51:26,840
were doing. Like, people were always sending me videos vertical.

4359
03:51:26,879 --> 03:51:29,680
I'm like, what are you doing? Like, do you do you?

4360
03:51:29,760 --> 03:51:32,239
Have you ever watched TV like this? Exactly? Well, that's

4361
03:51:32,239 --> 03:51:35,159
the thing. They don't care about the TV screen anymore.

4362
03:51:35,399 --> 03:51:37,760
They Well, I know, but but I'm talking about before that,

4363
03:51:38,079 --> 03:51:41,680
before this, Why did you do this? Why did people

4364
03:51:41,959 --> 03:51:44,760
before it became the fad, before it became the thing

4365
03:51:44,879 --> 03:51:46,840
you had to do. Why did you do this to

4366
03:51:46,920 --> 03:51:49,879
begin with? Why aren't you filming like a fucking adult?

4367
03:51:51,399 --> 03:51:54,639
Why are you filming like an ignorant, fucking piece of shit?

4368
03:51:58,040 --> 03:52:01,639
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that wins out right, It wents

4369
03:52:01,680 --> 03:52:05,200
out because all people care about is that we're evolving.

4370
03:52:05,360 --> 03:52:11,440
Speaker 1: We're devolving, Okay, that we are. Listen, when you start

4371
03:52:11,600 --> 03:52:17,239
filming shit vertical, you're losing the battle and you're just you're, you're, you're, you're,

4372
03:52:17,440 --> 03:52:21,920
you're dumbing everybody down, oh very much. So you're dumbing

4373
03:52:22,120 --> 03:52:24,680
everybody down. You're doing it, and you're also making them

4374
03:52:24,760 --> 03:52:27,239
lazy because then they don't have to work to fucking

4375
03:52:27,319 --> 03:52:31,959
get it to be a fucking horizontal thing. And it

4376
03:52:32,040 --> 03:52:34,479
gets back to they're not making a movie to create art.

4377
03:52:34,479 --> 03:52:37,879
Speaker 2: They're making a movie to create a social sensation that

4378
03:52:37,959 --> 03:52:40,319
they're metrics. They're trying to click back, they're trying to

4379
03:52:40,360 --> 03:52:44,239
click their own video into the hopeless addiction that they

4380
03:52:44,360 --> 03:52:48,440
have to vertical video scrolling. That's that's when we lost

4381
03:52:48,479 --> 03:52:51,399
the battle, folks. You can point to a million societal things,

4382
03:52:51,479 --> 03:52:54,000
you can point to a million political things, you can point.

4383
03:52:53,799 --> 03:52:54,520
Speaker 1: To whatever you want.

4384
03:52:54,799 --> 03:52:58,639
Speaker 2: We lost the battle when life became about flicking upwards

4385
03:52:58,879 --> 03:53:03,000
on your phone, and it just doesn't ever fucking end.

4386
03:53:03,479 --> 03:53:08,559
It doesn't TikTok never ever ends. And if it has

4387
03:53:08,600 --> 03:53:12,600
the slightest hint, the slightest hint that you may be

4388
03:53:12,719 --> 03:53:16,239
even somewhat interested in content that will drive you to

4389
03:53:16,319 --> 03:53:20,440
an early grave, it will not stop showing it to you. Yeah,

4390
03:53:21,120 --> 03:53:23,680
I don't understand. You know, we did it to ourselves,

4391
03:53:23,959 --> 03:53:27,479
and we shoot our entertainment, working ourselves backwards from these

4392
03:53:27,639 --> 03:53:31,680
arbitrary technology decisions that have nothing to do with faithfully

4393
03:53:31,840 --> 03:53:35,559
and interestingly representing the subject of the video or the picture,

4394
03:53:35,639 --> 03:53:37,799
or whatever the case may be. We literally just do

4395
03:53:38,040 --> 03:53:41,680
things because that's the way Samsung and Apple decided everything's

4396
03:53:41,719 --> 03:53:44,799
going to be displayed, two companies full of people that

4397
03:53:45,399 --> 03:53:48,360
would wouldn't know art. If they were trapped in an

4398
03:53:48,440 --> 03:53:50,479
art gallery for thirty years, they wouldn't be able.

4399
03:53:50,319 --> 03:53:50,639
Speaker 1: To find it.

4400
03:53:51,159 --> 03:53:52,639
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying everything has to be art, but

4401
03:53:52,799 --> 03:53:58,879
fucking movies, no TV shows, I mean, come on, folks, photographs.

4402
03:53:58,959 --> 03:54:04,760
Speaker 1: Right, there's just there's just I mean, I remember I

4403
03:54:05,639 --> 03:54:10,200
read I read something there was somebody who said, you know,

4404
03:54:10,600 --> 03:54:13,120
I think it's time we have movies. You know why

4405
03:54:13,159 --> 03:54:15,280
don't we have a movie films vertically? Exactly what are

4406
03:54:15,280 --> 03:54:17,319
we doing? We can just sell out inventory. We got

4407
03:54:17,399 --> 03:54:19,280
it because it would look because it would look stupid.

4408
03:54:19,600 --> 03:54:22,479
How about that. That's why, because it would look fucking

4409
03:54:22,680 --> 03:54:27,159
stupid and you would be labeled a moron. That's why

4410
03:54:27,280 --> 03:54:33,079
you don't fucking film a movie vertical. We're just old

4411
03:54:33,159 --> 03:54:35,000
fuddy duddies, I know exactly.

4412
03:54:35,239 --> 03:54:35,399
Speaker 3: You know.

4413
03:54:35,840 --> 03:54:37,840
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, people can't watch a video for more than two

4414
03:54:37,879 --> 03:54:40,319
and a half minutes without having a panic attack as

4415
03:54:40,360 --> 03:54:40,799
they're bored.

4416
03:54:41,440 --> 03:54:43,559
Speaker 1: Right, and yet there's a fucking pro wrestler in the

4417
03:54:43,600 --> 03:54:44,520
goddamn White House.

4418
03:54:45,799 --> 03:54:48,479
Speaker 2: Paul says, Yeah, our local store treated the tapes like

4419
03:54:48,600 --> 03:54:49,920
the gold they were.

4420
03:54:50,319 --> 03:54:52,479
Speaker 1: That's right. You take care of those tapes or you

4421
03:54:52,559 --> 03:54:57,159
pay a stiff penalty. Physical media hard stop. Physical media

4422
03:54:57,559 --> 03:55:03,760
things are better. Ephemeral digital media things are worse. I

4423
03:55:04,040 --> 03:55:09,000
I well, yes, i'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

4424
03:55:09,360 --> 03:55:14,680
I liked both. Yes, I liked. I liked the days

4425
03:55:15,879 --> 03:55:19,360
when you could buy I'd go buy a Blu Ray.

4426
03:55:19,440 --> 03:55:21,799
I liked the idea that I was forced to go

4427
03:55:21,920 --> 03:55:25,200
buy a blue ray. Ask me too, and I would

4428
03:55:25,239 --> 03:55:28,799
get the digital copy with it. Sure, see that that

4429
03:55:29,120 --> 03:55:32,000
was something that I liked doing. Now I don't buy

4430
03:55:33,360 --> 03:55:35,799
any anything, any Blu rays because I'm not going to

4431
03:55:35,840 --> 03:55:37,440
watch a Blue ray. And this is another I'm going

4432
03:55:37,520 --> 03:55:40,799
to watch a digital thing, you know, like yes, they're

4433
03:55:40,879 --> 03:55:44,920
they're you know, because everything you know, I watching it

4434
03:55:45,040 --> 03:55:46,680
on you know, Apple TV. And once I got an

4435
03:55:46,680 --> 03:55:49,319
Apple TV, it was game over, you know, goodbye, good

4436
03:55:49,360 --> 03:55:52,840
bye discs. I'm sorry, I loved you. I still have

4437
03:55:53,000 --> 03:55:55,239
some forgot to have my office. I still keep a collection,

4438
03:55:55,760 --> 03:55:57,079
you know, like their fucking antiques.

4439
03:55:57,239 --> 03:55:59,399
Speaker 2: And the amount of people who stopped getting paid when

4440
03:55:59,440 --> 03:56:02,239
you stop buy those DVDs is infinite.

4441
03:56:03,239 --> 03:56:09,399
Speaker 1: It's it's listen, it's it's way. It's it's true. It's true.

4442
03:56:09,559 --> 03:56:13,360
And the only reason the only reason why I allowed

4443
03:56:13,440 --> 03:56:17,479
myself to kind of shift completely over into buying is

4444
03:56:17,559 --> 03:56:23,360
because I was able to yes, correct, It wasn't necessarily

4445
03:56:23,399 --> 03:56:25,959
a choice, it was a well shit, I don't need

4446
03:56:26,000 --> 03:56:27,879
to do that anymore. Yeah, yeah you do.

4447
03:56:28,040 --> 03:56:31,200
Speaker 2: You definitely don't make that shift with any evil intentions.

4448
03:56:31,479 --> 03:56:34,239
And look, the things people always get twisted about these

4449
03:56:34,319 --> 03:56:37,399
kind of commentaries is that we somehow are suggesting that

4450
03:56:38,200 --> 03:56:40,479
somebody is at fault for making a poor choice along

4451
03:56:40,559 --> 03:56:42,959
the way. No, what we decry is that we had

4452
03:56:43,040 --> 03:56:43,520
no choice.