Speaker 1: Segety Kilsey, what's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Well, folks,
Speaker 1: we have the affid David, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: waste anybody's time with any kind of opening here or
Speaker 1: winging or anything like that. We're going to get right
Speaker 1: into this Avid David, and we're going to read it together.
Speaker 2: I haven't read it yet. We're going to read it
Speaker 2: together right.
Speaker 1: Here for the first time on air without commentary, by
Speaker 1: the way, and then later on we'll go through the
Speaker 1: articles one by one that are dealing with each of
Speaker 1: these issues. So with that said, let us just get
Speaker 1: right to it. Exhibit A statement of Brett Pain. The
Speaker 1: blow information is provided by Brett Pain, who is a
Speaker 1: duly appointed, qualified and acting peace officer within the County
Speaker 1: of Leta, State of Idaho. Brett Pain is employed by
Speaker 1: Moscow Police Department in the official capacity or position of
Speaker 1: corporal and has been trained and qualified peace officer for
Speaker 1: approximately four years. Corporal Pain is being assisted by members
Speaker 1: of the Idaho State Police and agents of the Federal
Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation. On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, at
Speaker 1: approximately four pm, Moscow Police Department, Sergeant Blaker and I
Speaker 1: responded to eleven twenty two King Road, Moscow, Idaho, hereafter
Speaker 1: the King Road Residence to assist with scene security and
Speaker 1: processing of a crime scene associated with four homicides. Upon
Speaker 1: our arrival, the Idaho State Police forensic team was on
Speaker 1: scene and was preparing to begin processing the scene. MPD
Speaker 1: officers Smith, one of the initial responding officers to the incident,
Speaker 1: advised he would walk me through the scene OFC. Smith
Speaker 1: and I entered the King Road residence through the bottom
Speaker 1: floor door on the north side of the building OFC.
Speaker 1: Smith and I then walked up States to the second
Speaker 1: floor OFC. Smith directed me down the hallway to the
Speaker 1: west bedroom on the second floor, which I later learned
Speaker 1: through Xana's driver's license and other personal belongings found in
Speaker 1: the room was Xana Kernodles. Hereafter Kernodle's room. Just before
Speaker 1: this room, there was a bathroom door on the south
Speaker 1: wall of the hallway. As I approached the room, I
Speaker 1: could see a body later identified as Kernodles laying on
Speaker 1: the floor. Kernodle was deceased with wounds which appeared to
Speaker 1: have been caused by an edged weapon. Also in the
Speaker 1: room was a male later identified as Ethan Chapin hereafter Chapin.
Speaker 1: Chapin was also deceased with wounds later determined autopsy report
Speaker 1: provided by Spokane and that is redacted here in this document.
Speaker 1: We have about two pages here that are redacted, so
Speaker 1: we won't get that obviously in this Affidavid just yet
Speaker 1: followed OFC. Smith upstairs to the third floor of the residence.
Speaker 1: The third floor consisted of two bedrooms and one bathroom.
Speaker 1: The bathroom on the west side of the floor was
Speaker 1: later determined to be Kaylee Gonsalves. Hereafter Gonsalves room. I
Speaker 1: later learned from review of Officer Nunia's body camera there
Speaker 1: was a dog in the room when Moscow police officers
Speaker 1: initially responded, the dog belonged to Gonsalves and her ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend Jack de cor I found out from my interview
Speaker 1: with Jack decr on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, that
Speaker 1: he and Gonsalves shared the dog OFC. Smith then pointed
Speaker 1: out a small bathroom on the east side of the
Speaker 1: third floor. This bathroom shared a wall with Madison Mogan's
Speaker 1: hereafter Mogan's bedroom, which was situated on the southeast corner
Speaker 1: of the third floor. As I entered this bedroom, I
Speaker 1: could see two females in one single bed in the room.
Speaker 1: Both Gonsalves and Mogan were deceased with visible status. I
Speaker 1: also later noticed what appeared to be a tan leather
Speaker 1: knife sheath lying on the bed next to Mogan's right
Speaker 1: side when viewed from the door. The sheath was later
Speaker 1: processed and had k bar USMC and the United States
Speaker 1: Marine Corps Eagle globe and anchor insignia stamped on the
Speaker 1: outside of it. The Idaho State Lab later located a
Speaker 1: single source of male DNA suspect profile left on the
Speaker 1: button snap of the knife sheath. As part of the investigation,
Speaker 1: numerous interviews were conducted by Moscow Police Department officers, Idaho
Speaker 1: State Police detectives, and FBI agents. Two of the interviews
Speaker 1: included BF and DM. Both BF and DM were inside
Speaker 1: the King Road residence at the time of the homicides
Speaker 1: and were roommates to the victims. Bf's bedroom was located
Speaker 1: on the east side of the first floor of the
Speaker 1: King Road residents. Based on numerous interviews conducted by IMPD officers,
Speaker 1: ISP detectives, and FBI agents, as well as my review
Speaker 1: of evidence, I have learned the following. On the evening
Speaker 1: of November twelfth, twenty twenty two, Chapin and Kernodle were
Speaker 1: seen by BF at the Sigma Kai House on the
Speaker 1: University of Idaho campus at seven thirty five nez Percy
Speaker 1: Drive from approximately nine pm on November twelfth to one
Speaker 1: forty five am on November thirteenth. BF also estimated that
Speaker 1: at approximately one forty five am, Chapin and Kernodle returned
Speaker 1: to the King Road residence. BF also stated that Chapin
Speaker 1: did not live in the King Road residence but was
Speaker 1: a guest of Kernodle. Gonsalvas and Mogan were at a
Speaker 1: local bar, the Corner Club, at two zero two Main
Speaker 1: Street in Moscow. Gonsalves and Mogan can be seen on
Speaker 1: video footage provided by The Corner Club between ten pm
Speaker 1: on November twelfth and one thirty am on November three, thirteenth.
Speaker 1: At approximately one thirty am, Gonsalves and Mogan can be
Speaker 1: seen on video at a local food vendor called the
Speaker 1: Grub Truck at three eighteen South Main Street in downtown Moscow.
Speaker 1: The grub Truck live streams video from their food truck
Speaker 1: on the streaming platform Twitch, which is available for public
Speaker 1: viewing on their website. The video was captured by law Enforcement.
Speaker 1: A private party name Reed Acted, reported he provided a
Speaker 1: ride to Gonsalves and Mogan at approximately one fifty six
Speaker 1: am from downtown Moscow in front of the grub truck
Speaker 1: to the King Road residence. DM and BF those are
Speaker 1: the surviving roommates. By the way, both made statements during
Speaker 1: interviews that indicated occupants of the King Road residence were
Speaker 1: at home by two AM and the sleep or at
Speaker 1: least in their rooms by approximately four AM. This is
Speaker 1: with the exception of Kernodle, who received a door dash
Speaker 1: order at the residence at approximately four am. Law Enforcement
Speaker 1: identified the door dash delivery driver who reported this information.
Speaker 1: DM stated she originally went to sleep in her bedroom
Speaker 1: on the southeast side of the second floor. DM stated
Speaker 1: she was awoken at approximately four AM by what she
Speaker 1: stated sounded like Gonsalves playing with her dog in one
Speaker 1: of the upstairs bedrooms, which were located on the third floor.
Speaker 1: A short time later, DM said she heard who she
Speaker 1: thought was Gonsalva say something to the effect of there's
Speaker 1: someone here. A review of records obtained from a forensic
Speaker 1: download of Caernodle's phone showed this could have been Kernodle,
Speaker 1: as her cellular phone indicated she was likely awake and
Speaker 1: using the TikTok app. At approximately four to twelve am,
Speaker 1: DM stated she opened her door a second time when
Speaker 1: she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kernodle's room.
Speaker 1: DM then said she heard a mel voice say something
Speaker 1: to the effect of it's okay, I'm going to help you.
Speaker 1: At approximately four to seventeen am, a security camera located
Speaker 1: at eleven twelve King Road, a residence immediately to the
Speaker 1: northwest of eleven twenty two King Road, picked up distorted
Speaker 1: audio of what sounded like voices or a whimper followed
Speaker 1: by a long thud. A dog can also be heard
Speaker 1: barking numerous times starting at four am four to seventeen am.
Speaker 1: The security camera is less than fifty feet from the
Speaker 1: west wall of Kernodle's bedroom. DM stated she opened her
Speaker 1: door for the third time after she heard the crying
Speaker 1: and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a
Speaker 1: mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her.
Speaker 1: DM describes the figure as five foot ten or taller
Speaker 1: mail not very muscular but athletically built with bushy eyebrows.
Speaker 1: The mail walked past DM as she stood in a
Speaker 1: frozen shock fase. The mail walked towards the backsliding glass door.
Speaker 1: DM locked herself in her room after seeing the mail.
Speaker 1: DM not state that she recognized the mal This leads
Speaker 1: investigators to believe that the murderer left the scene. The
Speaker 1: combination of DM's statements to law enforcement, review of forensic
Speaker 1: downloads of records from BF and DM's phones, and video
Speaker 1: of a suspect video as described below, leads investigators to
Speaker 1: believe the homicides occurred between four AM and four to
Speaker 1: twenty five am. During the processing of the crime scene,
Speaker 1: investigators found layton shoeprint. This was located during the second
Speaker 1: processing of the crime scene by the ISP forensic team
Speaker 1: by first using a presumptive blood test and then amino black,
Speaker 1: a protein stain that detects the presence of cellular material.
Speaker 1: The detected shoeprint showed a diamond shade pattern similar to
Speaker 1: a pattern of Van's type shoe sole just outside the
Speaker 1: door of DM's bedroom located on the second floor. This
Speaker 1: is consistent with dm statements regarding the suspects path of travel.
Speaker 1: As part of the investigation, an extensive search commonly referred
Speaker 1: to in law enforcement as a video canvas was conducted
Speaker 1: in the area of the King Road residence. This video
Speaker 1: canvas was to obtain any footage from the morning hours
Speaker 1: of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in the area of
Speaker 1: the King Road residence and surrounding neighborhoods in an effort
Speaker 1: to locate the suspect or suspect vehicle traveling to or
Speaker 1: leaving from the King Road residence. This video canvas resulted
Speaker 1: in the collection of numerous surveillance videos in the area
Speaker 1: from both residential and business addresses. I have reviewed numerous
Speaker 1: videos that were collected and have had conversations with other
Speaker 1: MPD officers, ISP detectives, and FBI agents that were similar
Speaker 1: that were also reviewing footage that was obtained. A review
Speaker 1: of camera footage indicated that a white Sedan hereafter suspect
Speaker 1: vehicle number one was observed traveling west bound in the
Speaker 1: seven hundred block of Indian Hills Drive in Moscow at
Speaker 1: approximately three twenty six am and westbound on Steiner Avenue
Speaker 1: in Idaho State Highway ninety five in Moscow at approximately
Speaker 1: three twenty eight am. On this video, it appeared suspect
Speaker 1: vehicle number one was not displaying a front license plate.
Speaker 1: A review of footage from multiple videos obtained from King
Speaker 1: Road neighborhood showed multiple sightings of suspect vehicle number one,
Speaker 1: starting at three twenty nine am and ending at four
Speaker 1: to twenty am. The sidings show suspect vehicle makes an
Speaker 1: initial three passes by eleven twenty two King Road residents,
Speaker 1: then leaves via Wallenta Drive. Based on my experience as
Speaker 1: a patrol officer, this is a residential neighborhood with a
Speaker 1: very limited number of vehicles that travel in the area
Speaker 1: during the early morning hours. Upon review of the video,
Speaker 1: there are only a few cars that enter and exit
Speaker 1: this area during this timeframe. Suspect vehicle one can be
Speaker 1: seen entering the area of fourth time approximately four four am.
Speaker 1: It can be seen driving eastbound on King Road, stopping
Speaker 1: and turn and around in front of five hundred Queen
Speaker 1: Road number fifty two, and then driving westbound on King Road.
Speaker 1: When suspect vehicle number one is in front of the
Speaker 1: King Road residents, it appeared to unsuccessfully attempt to park
Speaker 1: or turnaround in the road. The vehicle then continued to
Speaker 1: the intersection of Queen Road and King Road, where it
Speaker 1: can be seen completing a three point turn and then
Speaker 1: driving eastbound again down King Road down Queen Road. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: Suspect Vehicle number one is next scene departing the area
Speaker 1: of the King Road residents at approximately four to twenty
Speaker 1: am at a high rate of speed. Suspect Vehicle one
Speaker 1: is next observed traveling southbound on will lent A Drive.
Speaker 1: Based on my knowledge of the area and review of
Speaker 1: camera footge in the neighborhood that does not show suspect
Speaker 1: vehicle one during that time frame, I believe that suspect
Speaker 1: vehicle number Suspect one likely exited the neighborhood at Polue
Speaker 1: River Drive and Conestoga Drive. Polue River Drive is at
Speaker 1: the southern edge of Moscow and proceeds into Whitman County, Washington.
Speaker 1: Eventually the road leads to Pullman, Washington. Pullman, Washington is
Speaker 1: approximately ten miles from Moscow, Idaho. Both Pullman and Moscow
Speaker 1: are small college towns and people commonly travel back and
Speaker 1: forth between them. Law enforcement officers provided video footage of
Speaker 1: suspect vehicle number one to forensic examiners with the Federal
Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation that regularly utilized surveillance footage to identify
Speaker 1: the year, make, and model of unknown vehicles that is
Speaker 1: observed by one or more cameras during the commission of
Speaker 1: a criminal offense. The forensic examiner has approximately thirty five
Speaker 1: years law enforcement experience, with twelve years at the FBI.
Speaker 1: His specific training includes identifying unique characteristics of vehicles, and
Speaker 1: he uses a database that gives visual clues of vehicles
Speaker 1: across states to identify differences between vehicles. After reviewing the
Speaker 1: numerous observation of suspect vehicle one, the forensic examiner initially
Speaker 1: believed that suspect vehicle number one was a two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven through twenty thirteen Honda A Lantra. Upon further review,
Speaker 1: he indicated that it could also be a two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven through twenty sixteen Honda A Laantra. As a result,
Speaker 1: investigators have been reviewing information on persons in possession of
Speaker 1: a vehicle that is a two thousand and eleven through
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen white Hondai Lantra. Investigators were given access to
Speaker 1: video footage on the Washington State University Campus located in Pullman, Washington,
Speaker 1: to review a video indicated that at approximately two forty
Speaker 1: four AIS on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, a white
Speaker 1: Sedan which was consistent with the description of the white
Speaker 1: Lantra known as Suspect Vehicle one, was observed on WSU
Speaker 1: surveillance cameras traveling north on southeast Nevada Street at Northeast
Speaker 1: Stadium Way. At approximately two fifty three am, a white Sedan,
Speaker 1: which is consistent with the description of the white Alantra
Speaker 1: known as Suspect Vehicle one, was observed traveling southeast on
Speaker 1: Nevada Street in Pullman, Washington, towards State Routes two seventy.
Speaker 1: State Route two seventy connects Pullman, Washington to Moscow, Idaho.
Speaker 1: This camera footage from Pullman, Washington was provided to the
Speaker 1: same FBI forensic examiner. The forensic examiner identified the vehicle
Speaker 1: observed in Pullman, Washington as being a twenty fourteen through
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Hondai Elantra.
Speaker 2: With lucky landsligns you can get lucky.
Speaker 1: At approximately five twenty five am, a white Sadan, which
Speaker 1: was consistent with the description of suspect vehicle number one
Speaker 1: was observed on five cameras in Pullman and on Washington
Speaker 1: State University campus campus cameras. The first camera that recorded
Speaker 1: the white Sadan was located at thirteen hundred Johnson Road
Speaker 1: in Pullman. The white Sudan was observed traveling northbound on
Speaker 1: Johnson Road. Johnson Road leads directly back to West Polouse
Speaker 1: River Drive in Moscow, which intersects with Conestoga Drive. The
Speaker 1: white Sudan was then observed turning north on Bishop Boulevard
Speaker 1: and northwest on State Route two seventy at approximately five
Speaker 1: to twenty seven am, The white A Lantra was observed
Speaker 1: on cameras traveling northbound on Stadium Way at Nevada Street,
Speaker 1: Stadium Way at Grahames at Grimes Way, and Stadium Drive
Speaker 1: at Wilson Road and Stadium Way at Cougar Way. On
Speaker 1: November twenty fifth, twenty twenty two, MPD asked law enforcement
Speaker 1: agencies to be on the lookout for the white Honda
Speaker 1: A Lantra in the area. On November twenty ninth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, at approximately twelve twenty eight, a m Washington
Speaker 1: State University Police officer Daniel Tiengo queried white Lantra registered
Speaker 1: at WSU. As a result of that quarry, he located
Speaker 1: a twenty fifteen white Alantra with a Pennsylvania license plate
Speaker 1: LFZ eight six four nine. This vehicle was registered to
Speaker 1: Brian Cohberger. Hereafter Coburger residing at one six three zero
Speaker 1: Northeast Valley Road, Apartment two oh one in Pullman, Washington.
Speaker 1: Sixteen thirty Northeast Valley Road is approximately three quarters of
Speaker 1: a mile from the intersection of Stadium Way and Cougar Way.
Speaker 1: Last camera located that picked up the white Lantra. That
Speaker 1: same day at approximately twelve fifty eight am, Washington State
Speaker 1: University officer Curtis Whitman was looking for white Honda A
Speaker 1: Lantras and located a twenty fifteen white HONDEI Lantra at
Speaker 1: sixteen thirty Northeast Valley Road and Pullman in the parking
Speaker 1: lot sixteen thirty Northeast Valley Road is an apartment that
Speaker 1: houses Washington State University students. Officer Whitman also ran the
Speaker 1: car and a returned to Coburger with a Washington tag.
Speaker 1: I reviewed Coburger's Washington State driver license information and photograph
Speaker 1: This license indicates that Coburger is a white male with
Speaker 1: a height of six foot and weighs one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty five pounds. Additionally, the photograph of Coburger shows that
Speaker 1: he has bushy eyebrows. Coburger's physical description is consistent with
Speaker 1: the description of the mail DM saw inside the King
Speaker 1: Road residence on November thirteenth. Further investigation, including a review
Speaker 1: of Leyta County sheriff A Deputy Corporal Duke's body camera
Speaker 1: and reports, showed that on August twenty first, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: ti two, Brian Coeberger was detained as part of a
Speaker 1: traffic stop that occurred in Moscow, Idaho, by Corporal Duke.
Speaker 1: At the time, Coburger, who was the sole occupant, was
Speaker 1: driving a white twenty fifteen HONDEI Lantra with Pennsylvania plate
Speaker 1: LFZ eight six four nine, which was set to expire
Speaker 1: on November thirtieth of twenty twenty two. During the stop,
Speaker 1: which was recorded via a law enforcement body camera, Coburger
Speaker 1: provided a phone number as redacted eight four five eight.
Speaker 1: Hereafter the eight four to five eight phone as his
Speaker 1: cellular telephone number. Investigators conducted electronic database queries and learned
Speaker 1: that the eight four to five eight number is a
Speaker 1: number issued by AT and T. On October fourteenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, Brian Coberger was detained as part of a
Speaker 1: traffic stop by a Washington State University police officer. Upon
Speaker 1: review of that bodycam footage and report of the stop up,
Speaker 1: Coburger was the sole occupant and was driving a white
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen Hondai Elantra with the same license plate. On
Speaker 1: November eighteenth, twenty twenty two, According to Washington State Licensing,
Speaker 1: Coburger registered the twenty fifteen white Lantra with the washing
Speaker 1: with Washington and later received the Washington plate CFB eight
Speaker 1: seven zero eight. Prior to this time, the twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: Alantra was registered in Pennsylvania, which does not require a
Speaker 1: front license plate to be displayed. This was learned through
Speaker 1: communication with a Pennsylvania officer who is currently certified in
Speaker 1: the state of Pennsylvania. Based on my own experience and
Speaker 1: communications with Washington law enforcement, I know that Idaho and
Speaker 1: Washington require front and back license plates to be displayed.
Speaker 1: Investigators believe that Coburger is still driving the twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: white Alantra because this vehicle was captured on December thirteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, by a license reader in Loma, Colorado,
Speaker 1: information provided by a query to a database. Coburger's Alantra
Speaker 1: was then queried on December fifteenth, twenty twenty two by
Speaker 1: law enforcement and Hancock County, Indiana. On December sixteenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, at approximately two twenty six pm, surveillance video
Speaker 1: showed Coburger's Ailantra in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. The sole occupant of
Speaker 1: the vehicle was a white male whose description was consistent
Speaker 1: with Coburger. Coburger has family in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. Learned through
Speaker 1: a TLO search and locate tooled database query based on
Speaker 1: information provided on the Washington State University website. Coburger is
Speaker 1: currently a PhD student in criminology at Washington State University.
Speaker 1: Pursuant to records provided by a number of the interview
Speaker 1: interview panel for Pullman Police Department, we learned that Coburger's
Speaker 1: past education included undergraduate degrees in psychology and cloud based forensics.
Speaker 1: These records also showed Coburger wrote an essay when he
Speaker 1: applied for an internship with Pullman Police Department. In the
Speaker 1: fall of twenty twenty two. Coburger wrote in his essay
Speaker 1: he had interest in assisting in rural law enforcement agencies
Speaker 1: with how to better collect and analyze technological data in
Speaker 1: public safety operations. Coberger also posted a Reddit survey, which
Speaker 1: can be found by an open source Internet search. The
Speaker 1: survey asked for participants to provide information to understand how
Speaker 1: emotional and psychological traits influenced decision making when committing a crime.
Speaker 1: As part of this investigation, law enforcement obtained search warrants
Speaker 1: to determine cellular devices that utilized cellular towers in close
Speaker 1: proximity to the King Road residents on November thirteenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, between three am and five am. After determining
Speaker 1: that Coburger associated to both the twenty fifteen Whitelantra and
Speaker 1: the eight four to five eight phone, investigators reviewed these
Speaker 1: search warrant returns. A query of the eight four to
Speaker 1: five eight number in these returns did not show the
Speaker 1: eight four to five eight number utilizing cellular tower resources
Speaker 1: in close proximity to the King Road residents between three
Speaker 1: and five am. Based on my training experience and conversation
Speaker 1: with law enforcement officers, that specialize in the utilization of
Speaker 1: cellular telephone records as part of an investigation. Individuals can
Speaker 1: either leave their cell phone at a different location before
Speaker 1: committing a crime, or turn their cellular telephone off prior
Speaker 1: to going to a location to commit a crime. This
Speaker 1: is done by subjects in an effort to avoid alerting
Speaker 1: law enforcement that a cellular device associated with them was
Speaker 1: in the particular area where a crime is committed. I
Speaker 1: also know that on numerous occasions, subjects will surveil an
Speaker 1: area where they attend to commit a crime prior to
Speaker 1: the date of the crime. Depending on the circumstances, this
Speaker 1: could be done a few days before or several months
Speaker 1: prior to the commission of a crime. During these types
Speaker 1: of surveillance, it is possible that an individual would not
Speaker 1: leave their cell phone telephone at a separate location or
Speaker 1: turn it off since they do not plan to commit
Speaker 1: an offense on that particular day. On December twenty third,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, I applied four and was granted a
Speaker 1: search warrant for historical phone records between November twelfth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, and at twelve am and November fourteenth at
Speaker 1: twelve am for the eight four to five eight number
Speaker 1: held by the phone provider AT and T approximately twenty
Speaker 1: four hours proceeding and following the times of the homicides.
Speaker 1: On December twenty three, twenty twenty two. Percent to that
Speaker 1: search warrant, I received records for the eight four to
Speaker 1: five eight phone from AT and T. These records indicated
Speaker 1: that eight four to five eight phone is subscribed to
Speaker 1: Brian Cohberger at an address in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, and the
Speaker 1: account has been opened since June twenty third, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: These records also included historical cell site location information for
Speaker 1: the eight to four to five eight phone. After receiving
Speaker 1: this information, I consulted with an FBI Special Agent that
Speaker 1: is certified as a member of the Cellular and Analysis
Speaker 1: Survey Team. Members of CASTE are certified with the FBI
Speaker 1: to provide expert testimony in the field of historical CLSI
Speaker 1: and are required to pass extensive training that includes both
Speaker 1: written and practical examinations prior to becoming certified with CASTE,
Speaker 1: as well as the completion of yearly certification requirements. Additionally,
Speaker 1: the FBI CASTE essay that I consulted with over fifteen
Speaker 1: years of federal law enforcement experience, which includes six years
Speaker 1: with the FBI. From information provided by Caste, I was
Speaker 1: able to determine estimated locations for the eight four to
Speaker 1: five eight phone from November twelfth, twenty twenty two to
Speaker 1: November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, the time period authorized by
Speaker 1: the court. On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, at approximately
Speaker 1: two forty two am, the eight four to five eight
Speaker 1: phone was utilizing cellular resources that provide coverage to the
Speaker 1: sixteen thirty Northeast Valley Road, Apartment G two zero one, Pullman, Washington,
Speaker 1: hereafter the Coburger Residence. At approximately two forty seven AM,
Speaker 1: the eight four to five eight phone utilized cellular resources
Speaker 1: that provide coverage southeast of the Coburger residence, consistent with
Speaker 1: the eight four or five eight phone leaving the Coburger
Speaker 1: Residence and traveling through Pullman, Washington. This is consistent with
Speaker 1: the movement of the wait Alantra At approximately two forty
Speaker 1: seven AM. At eight four five eight phone stops reporting
Speaker 1: to the network, which is consistent with either the phone
Speaker 1: being in an area without cellular coverage or the connection
Speaker 1: to the network is disabled. Such as putting the phone
Speaker 1: in airplane mode or the phone is turned off. The
Speaker 1: eight four or five eight phone does not report to
Speaker 1: the network again until approximately four to forty eight am,
Speaker 1: at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide coverage
Speaker 1: to id State Highway ninety five south of Moscow, Idaho,
Speaker 1: near Blaine, Idaho, north of Genice. Between four fifty am
Speaker 1: and five twenty six am, the phone utilizes cellular resources
Speaker 1: that are consistent with the eight four five eight phone
Speaker 1: traveling south on Idaho State Highway ninety five to Genese, Idaho,
Speaker 1: then traveling west towards Unitown, Idaho, and then north back
Speaker 1: into Pullman, Washington. At approximately five point thirty am, the
Speaker 1: eight four to five eight phone is utilizing resources that
Speaker 1: provide coverage to Pullman, Washington and consistent with the phone
Speaker 1: traveling back to the Coburger residence. The eight four to
Speaker 1: five eight phones movements are consistent with the movements of
Speaker 1: the white Lantra that is observed traveling north on Stadium
Speaker 1: Drive at approximately five twenty seven am. Based on a
Speaker 1: review of the eight four five eight phones estimated locations
Speaker 1: in travel, the eight four to five eight phones travel
Speaker 1: is consistent with that of the White Lantra. Further review
Speaker 1: indicated that the eight four to five eight phone utilize
Speaker 1: cellular resources on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two that are
Speaker 1: consistent with the eight four five eight phone leaving the
Speaker 1: area of the Coburger residence at approximately nine am and
Speaker 1: traveling to Moscow, Idaho. Specifically, the eight four to five
Speaker 1: eight phone utilize cellular resources that would provide coverage to
Speaker 1: the King Road residence between nine twelve am and nine
Speaker 1: twenty one AM. The eight four to five eight phone
Speaker 1: next utilized cellular resources that are consistent with the eight
Speaker 1: four to five eight phone, traveling back to the area
Speaker 1: of the Coburger residence and arriving to the area at
Speaker 1: approximately nine thirty two am. Investigators found that the eight
Speaker 1: four to five eight phone did connect to a cell
Speaker 1: phone tower that provides service to Moscow on November fourteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, but investigators do not believe the eight
Speaker 1: four or five eight phone was in Moscow on that date.
Speaker 1: The eight four to five eight phone was not connected
Speaker 1: to any towers that provide service to Moscow since that date,
Speaker 1: based on my training and experience and the facts of
Speaker 1: the investigation. Thus, far I believe that Coburger, the user
Speaker 1: of the eight four to five eight phone, was likely
Speaker 1: the driver of the white Alantra that is observed a
Speaker 1: parting Pullman Washington, and that this vehicle is likely suspect
Speaker 1: vehicle number one. Additionally, the route of travel of the
Speaker 1: eight four or five eight phone during the early morning
Speaker 1: hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, and the lack
Speaker 1: of eight four five eight reporting to AT and T
Speaker 1: between two forty seven and four to forty eight a
Speaker 1: m is consistent with Coburger attempting to conceal his location
Speaker 1: during the quadruple homicide that occurred at the King Road residence.
Speaker 1: On December twenty third, twenty twenty two, I was granted
Speaker 1: a search warrant for Coburger's historical CSLI from June twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, to current prospective location information and a
Speaker 1: pen register trap and trace on the eight to four
Speaker 1: to five to eight phone in aid in efforts to
Speaker 1: determine if Coburger stalked any of the victims in this case.
Speaker 1: Prior to the offense, conducted surveillance on the King Road residence,
Speaker 1: was in contact with any of the victims or associates
Speaker 1: before or after the alleged defense any locations that may
Speaker 1: contain evidence of the murders that occurred on November thirteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the location of the white Alantra registered
Speaker 1: to Coburger, as well as the location of Coburger on
Speaker 1: December twenty third, twenty twenty two. Pursuant to the search warrant,
Speaker 1: I received historical records from the eight four to five
Speaker 1: eight phone from AT and T from the time the
Speaker 1: account was opened in June twenty twenty two. After consulting
Speaker 1: with Caste Essay, I was able to determine estimated locations
Speaker 1: for the eight four to five eight phone from June
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to present, the time period authorized by
Speaker 1: the court. The records for the eight four or five
Speaker 1: eight phone show the eight four to five eight phone
Speaker 1: utilizing cellular resources that provide coverage to the area of
Speaker 1: eleven twenty two King Road on at least twelve occasions
Speaker 1: prior to November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. All of these occasions,
Speaker 1: except for one, occurred in the late evening and early
Speaker 1: morning hours of their respective days. One of these occasions
Speaker 1: on August twenty first, twenty twenty two, the phone eight
Speaker 1: four five eight utilized cellular resources providing coverage to the
Speaker 1: King Road residents from approximately ten to thirty four pm
Speaker 1: to eleven thirty five PM. At approximately eleven thirty seven pm,
Speaker 1: Coburger was stopped by Leyta County Sheriff's Corporal Duke. As
Speaker 1: mentioned before, the eight five to four to eight phone
Speaker 1: was utilizing cellular resources consistent with the location of the
Speaker 1: traffic stop during this time Farm Road and Pullman Highway.
Speaker 1: Further analysis of the cellular data provided showed that eight
Speaker 1: four to five eight phone utilized cellular resources on November thirteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, consistent with the phone traveling from Pullman,
Speaker 1: Washington to Lewiston, Idaho, via US Highway one ninety five.
Speaker 1: At approximately twelve thirty six pm, the eight four five
Speaker 1: eight phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to
Speaker 1: Kate's Cup of Joe coffee stand located at a ten
Speaker 1: Port Drive, Clarkston, Washington. Surveillance footage from the US chef
Speaker 1: Store located at eight twenty Port Drive, Clarkston, Washington and
Speaker 1: at Jason to Kate's Cup of Joe showed a white
Speaker 1: Lantra consistent with suspect vehicle number one. Drive pay passed
Speaker 1: Kate's cup of Joe at a time consistent with the
Speaker 1: cellular data from the eight five four to eight phone
Speaker 1: at approximately twelve forty six PM. The eight four to
Speaker 1: five eight phone then utilized cellular data in the area
Speaker 1: of an Albertson's grocery store at four hundred Bridge Street
Speaker 1: in Clarkston, Washington. Surveillance footage obtained from the Albertsons showed
Speaker 1: Coburger exit the white Lantra consistent with suspect vehicle number
Speaker 1: one at approximately twelve forty nine PM. Interior surveillance cameras
Speaker 1: showed Coburger walked through the store, purchased unknown items at
Speaker 1: the checkout, and leave at approximately one o four PM.
Speaker 1: Coburger's possible path of travel is depicted below. Additional analysis
Speaker 1: of records for eight four five eight phone indicated that
Speaker 1: between approximately five point thirty two PM and five thirty
Speaker 1: six PM, the eight four to five eight phone US
Speaker 1: utilized cellular resources that provide coverage to Johnson, Idaho. The
Speaker 1: eight four to five eight phone then stops reporting to
Speaker 1: the network from approximately five thirty six PM to eight
Speaker 1: thirty PM. This is consistent with the eight four to
Speaker 1: five eight phone being in the area that the eight
Speaker 1: four to five eight phone traveled in the hours immediately
Speaker 1: following the suspected homicides that occurred. On December twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Pennsylvania agents recovered the trash from the
Speaker 1: Coburger family residents located in Albrightville, Pennsylvania. That evidence was
Speaker 1: sent to the Idaho State Lab for testing. On December
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, twenty twenty two, the Idaho State Lab reported
Speaker 1: that a DNA profile obtained from the trash and the
Speaker 1: DNA profile obtained from the sheath identified a Mail as
Speaker 1: not being excluded as the biological father of suspect profile.
Speaker 1: At least ninety nine point nine nine nine eight percent
Speaker 1: of the Mail population would be expected to be excluded
Speaker 1: from the p possibility of being the suspects biological father.
Speaker 1: Based on the above information, I am requesting a warrant
Speaker 1: be issued for Brian C. Cohberger for burglary at eleven
Speaker 1: twenty two King Street in Moscow, Idaho, and four counts
Speaker 1: of murder in the first degree for the murders of
Speaker 1: Madison Mogan Kaylee Gonsavas, Santa Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. I declare,
Speaker 1: under the penalty of perjury pursuant to the law of
Speaker 1: the State of Idaho, that the foregoing is true and correct.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy, folks, there you have it. There
Speaker 1: is a lot of process there, and it's gonna take
Speaker 1: me a little time to go through it all and
Speaker 1: see what we have. But my initial reaction is Brian
Speaker 1: Coohberger is as good as cooked. All right, folks, that's
Speaker 1: gonna do it for this one. If you'd like to
Speaker 1: contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kopuci at
Speaker 1: ProtonMail dot com. That's bo b b Y c apu
Speaker 1: Cci at proton dot com. You can also find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Bobby underscore cap Ucci. The link that
Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box. You one,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Now that we've all
Speaker 1: had a little bit of time to let the Affid
Speaker 1: David digest a little bit and to go through it
Speaker 1: a little bit more, there are a few things inside
Speaker 1: of that Afid David that are going to be very,
Speaker 1: very difficult for Brian Cooberger and his defense to argue now,
Speaker 1: of course, there are going to be hurdles for the
Speaker 1: prosecution as well, and there is no doubt that Coburger's
Speaker 1: defense team is going to look to punch holes in
Speaker 1: every little thing that the prosecution brings to the table.
Speaker 2: The question is will they have enough.
Speaker 1: To work with to make a jury believe that Brian
Speaker 1: Coberger is not the man responsible, or at the very
Speaker 1: least that the prosecution doesn't have enough evidence to convince
Speaker 1: a jury beyond the reasonable doubt that Coburger is the
Speaker 1: man responsible. So today we have an article from Law
Speaker 1: and Crime talking about this a little bit and about
Speaker 1: how strong the evidence is in the Affidavid and some
Speaker 1: of the hurdles that both sides might face. Headline Idaho
Speaker 1: murder suspect Brian Coberger's Affidavid is full of bad facts
Speaker 1: for his lawyers and some gaps for the state, experts say.
Speaker 1: This article was authored by Adam Klassfeld. In the defense bar,
Speaker 1: attorneys have a phrase to describe information that isn't helpful
Speaker 1: to their clients. They're bad facts, And a federal public
Speaker 1: defender who represented thousands of clients say they are all
Speaker 1: over the recently unsealed affid David in the case of
Speaker 1: Idaho quadruple murder suspect Brian Coberger, and it certainly doesn't
Speaker 1: look good for mister Coberger.
Speaker 2: With the evidence that we have here.
Speaker 1: However, if you have a competent lawyer, they can punch
Speaker 1: holes in just about anything. So it's going to be
Speaker 1: very interesting to see what sort of strategy is employed
Speaker 1: here by Brian Coohberger's defense moving forward, because we know
Speaker 1: already that he plans on fighting these charges at least
Speaker 1: as of now. So we're gonna get discovery, we're going
Speaker 1: to get to the trial phase, and we're gonna hear
Speaker 1: a whole lot more about what happened. Some are bad
Speaker 1: facts that could get better, and some are bad facts
Speaker 1: that couldn't get worse. Long Crime Network host and federal
Speaker 1: public defender Brian Buckmeyer said in an interview. Authorities believe
Speaker 1: that Coburger was the man who killed four University of
Speaker 1: Idaho's students, Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Kaylee Gonsalvez, and Madison Mogan.
Speaker 1: The students were stabbed to death on the second and
Speaker 1: third floors of an off campus house in the small
Speaker 1: rural college town on November thirteenth of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: the unsealed affid David revealed that Moscow Police Department Corporal
Speaker 1: Brett Payne found a tan leather knife sheath laying on
Speaker 1: the bed next to Mogen's right side, stamped with US
Speaker 1: Marine Corps k bar and related insignia. So when they
Speaker 1: were talking about the knife right from the beginning, they
Speaker 1: weren't messing around, right, It was a kbar knife allegedly,
Speaker 1: and they found that sheath with his DNA on it,
Speaker 1: and the DNA that was found on it was touch
Speaker 1: DNA basically skin coming off of your finger. So pretty
Speaker 1: hard evidence here that Brian Koberger was in possession of
Speaker 1: this knife at least at some point. That's what the
Speaker 1: prosecution obviously is going to argue. However, there is no
Speaker 1: murder weapon.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 1: Now, you don't need a murder weapon and you don't
Speaker 1: need motive to get a conviction for murder. But it
Speaker 1: does go along way. If you can find that weapon
Speaker 1: and it has DNA on it, that leads you directly
Speaker 1: directly to the killer. Now, having that sheath that was
Speaker 1: housing that weapon, that's pretty significant as well. From there,
Speaker 1: authorities found a single source of male DNA, and they
Speaker 1: recovered DNA from Coburger's father from the family residence in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: At least ninety nine point nine nine nine eight percent
Speaker 1: of the male population would be expected to be excluded
Speaker 1: from the possibility of being the suspect's biological father. The
Speaker 1: affidavit said, so, according to this science, it's pretty much
Speaker 1: indisputable that Brian Coburger's DNA is on the sheath of
Speaker 1: this knife. The defendant's father was not excluded. Authorities, however,
Speaker 1: do not have the suspects DNA yet. Now where it
Speaker 1: could go depends on when ultimately they get Brian Coberger's DNA.
Speaker 1: Buck Meyer noted, I'm guessing that that's already occurred now
Speaker 1: that he's been in the lock of Right. Once you're
Speaker 1: you know, arrested, you have to give up DNA and
Speaker 1: shit like that, don't you. Another bad fact flagged by
Speaker 1: experts came in the form of AT and T phone
Speaker 1: records scrutinized by law enforcement between two forty seven am
Speaker 1: and four forty eight AM on the night of the slayings.
Speaker 1: Authority say Coburger turned off his cell phone to conceal
Speaker 1: his location during the quadruple homicide that occurred at the
Speaker 1: King Road residence, and why anyone would bring their cell
Speaker 1: phone to commit a crime is absolutely beyond me. And
Speaker 1: trust me when I tell you I'm certainly no arch criminal.
Speaker 1: I am terrified of going to prison or jail or
Speaker 1: anything that has to do with me being detained against
Speaker 1: my will. But if you're going to commit a crime,
Speaker 1: probably a good idea A not to use your own
Speaker 1: whip and b to leave your cell phone at home.
Speaker 1: Before his arrest, had been pursuing his PhD in criminology
Speaker 1: at Washington State University, about ten miles away from the
Speaker 1: Idaho crime scene. Buck Meyer noted that the rural area
Speaker 1: where the stabbings took place wasn't exactly brimming with cell
Speaker 1: phone towers. If we have two cell phone towers that
Speaker 1: are tracking from nine to ten miles apart, him being
Speaker 1: pinged on two different cell towers doesn't mean anything. He added,
Speaker 1: That's why former federal prosecutor Mitchell Elepner said flatly that
Speaker 1: the government would hope to have much more evidence than
Speaker 1: is a parent in that affid David before any trial,
Speaker 1: and that's significant right to hear from these prosecutors saying
Speaker 1: that while the affid David does have strong evidence, they
Speaker 1: would hope that the government has a little bit more
Speaker 1: than that when it comes to trial time. And I
Speaker 1: can get on board with that. Look, you want to
Speaker 1: have as much evidence as possible when it comes to trial.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that it's a slam dunk
Speaker 1: or the closest thing too that you can get. But
Speaker 1: a lot of times when we're dealing with criminal trials,
Speaker 1: especially ones like this, there's all kinds of twists and
Speaker 1: turns in the road and all kinds of hiccups for
Speaker 1: both the defense and the prosecution. Social reaction is I've
Speaker 1: seen people convicted on less evidence, said Epner, a partner
Speaker 1: at the firm Rottenberg Litmann Rich PC. But I would
Speaker 1: not want to go to trial if that was my
Speaker 1: only evidence. If a jury is predisposed to believe Coburger
Speaker 1: is the killer, Epner said, the DNA and the location
Speaker 1: data would be sufficient if admitted. I mean, the son
Speaker 1: of Sam was basically caught because of a parking ticket,
Speaker 1: Epner said, referring to the serial killer David Berkowitz, who
Speaker 1: reach taboc over New York City in the summer of
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven. No jury would be overturned for convicting
Speaker 1: on that basis. So look, with the digital evidence that
Speaker 1: they have, and with all of the evidence that we
Speaker 1: have seen in the Affid David. Look, folks, it's very strong, right,
Speaker 1: it is very strong evidence. But the question is is
Speaker 1: it enough to convict? Beyond that? Epner noted, some of
Speaker 1: the additional evidence is murky. The Affid David refers to
Speaker 1: a footprint from a Vans type show a shoe sole
Speaker 1: without explicitly saying it's Coburger's. Some of the evidence suggests
Speaker 1: Coburger may have stopped the victims, but Epner says that
Speaker 1: could have ready made defense, though perhaps one that's not
Speaker 1: flattering to the accused. You could also think this is,
Speaker 1: you know, a loser who was socially awkward, who lived
Speaker 1: in a university town, who was obsessed with a couple
Speaker 1: of attractive young women, Epner said, And that certainly could
Speaker 1: be the excuse, that could be the reasoning why he
Speaker 1: was at this house. Oh, I was infatuated with one
Speaker 1: or more of the girls. I was over there because
Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't work up the courage to talk
Speaker 1: to them. Whatever kind of nonsensical bs he comes up with,
Speaker 1: But there's going to be some kind of defense of this.
Speaker 1: The reliance upon the knife sheath recovered from the crime
Speaker 1: scene points to the absence of what it holds the
Speaker 1: murder weapon. Now, again, you do not need the murder
Speaker 1: weapon to get a conviction, although if you have the
Speaker 1: murder weapon, it obviously makes your case that much stronger,
Speaker 1: especially if it has that DNA on it. The affidavit does, however,
Speaker 1: contain plenty of evidence of the participation in the investigation
Speaker 1: by the FBI, which is mentioned eight times in the document.
Speaker 1: The FBI definitely was a key component here for catching
Speaker 1: a suspect and bringing Brian Koberger into custody. Now, are
Speaker 1: the charges going to stick? Is he going to be convicted?
Speaker 1: We don't know that yet. But the FBI played a
Speaker 1: crucial role in building this case, collecting this evidence, surveilling him,
Speaker 1: and then arresting him when they had the probable cause
Speaker 1: and the warrants all ready to go. So it was
Speaker 1: a master class by the FBI in surveillance and intelligence gathering.
Speaker 1: But like I said from the beginning, that's what they
Speaker 1: excel at. If the FBI would just stick to that
Speaker 1: and get away from the rest of the nonsense they
Speaker 1: get involved in. They would serve themselves so much better. Epner,
Speaker 1: who previously led intake for sex trafficking cases in the
Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office District of New Jersey, said he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if the federal government eventually took over the case,
Speaker 1: giving the interstate travel that ultimately led to Colberger's capture
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Now I have no idea who will take
Speaker 1: you know, providence here, the federal government, or if it'll
Speaker 1: stay in Idaho. Obviously this gentleman mister Epner, would know
Speaker 1: more about that sort of thing than me, But it
Speaker 1: seems more likely that Idaho is going to be the
Speaker 1: ones who try this case and the people of Idaho
Speaker 1: are going to be the ones who administer the justice.
Speaker 1: I would think that that would be the right way
Speaker 1: to go here, But if it goes federal, then I
Speaker 1: guess that's just another curveball we'll have to deal with
Speaker 1: at that time. For buck Meyer, whatever evidence Idaho authorities
Speaker 1: either may have or disclosed is outweighed by the weight
Speaker 1: of the facts proffered in the document. As many times
Speaker 1: as I can try and pull holes in his Affid David.
Speaker 1: It's still probably one of the strongest Affid Davids that
Speaker 1: I've seen in a very, very long time, buck Meyer added,
Speaker 1: if accepted by the jury, the evidence Tyan Coberger to
Speaker 1: crimes alleged would reflect mistakes he would be singularly trained
Speaker 1: to recognize as a criminology student, but buck Meyer noted
Speaker 1: that goes to the nature of the criminal mind. It's
Speaker 1: not just the intelligence of someone who commits a crime,
Speaker 1: it's the arrogance, buck Meyer said, alluding to the suspect
Speaker 1: allegedly bringing his cell phone to the scene and returning
Speaker 1: to the site twelve times. I know that it may
Speaker 1: be new for some people to see the idea of
Speaker 1: intelligent criminals. Intelligent criminals happen all the time, buck Meyer noted,
Speaker 1: But it's the arrogance of a criminal that really trips
Speaker 1: them up. And that's really what it comes down to
Speaker 1: for a lot of these so called mastermind criminals, right
Speaker 1: they get arrogant, they get brazen, and they start acting
Speaker 1: the full Look.
Speaker 2: At a guy like Israel Keys, he was very cautious.
Speaker 1: He would plan out his murders and then eventually his
Speaker 1: nonsense got the best of him. He snatches a girl
Speaker 1: who lives near him and it leads to his arrest.
Speaker 1: And that's how it usually works for these people. They
Speaker 1: think they're the smartest man in the room until they're not.
Speaker 1: All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
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