Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
Be Serious Podcast. Guys, I hope you enjoyed our last episode.
We are here today with a special guest, the real
KD himself, Kevin Davis. How's it going, Kevin, I'm da
thank y'all for having me.
Speaker 2: Hy as Charlie Fans.
Speaker 1: So, Kevin is a friend of mine. We had his
grandson whose name is Haylen. Yes that's right after Van Halen. Yes.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: He was wrestling at the same place that my kids
were taking wrestling lessons at and Kevin saw me at
a restaurant and was like, hey, you get kids your
wrestle and friendship was born at that moment because we
both started talking about rock songs and now we're here
getting to talk about it on our podcast.
Speaker 3: It's all right. Kevin's been a long time listener and
a contributor or Patreon to our podcast, to our efforts here.
If you want to be like Kevin, just go to
patreon dot com slash Shirly Podcast money We'll spend awesome.
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we are here today to talk about an
album of nineteen eighty eight because we're doing our Summer
of eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Before you do that, Before you do that, I just
want to do a quick recap. We've spent some time
in the summer of nineteen eighty eight and we are
about to come to its conclusion here. This summer, we've
covered the movie Big Yep. We've covered Living Colors Vivid
Album Yep. We've covered Poisons, Open Up and Say Oh
I'm both released on the same day, May third, nineteen
eighty eight. We've covered the Great Outdoors. We re released
the Dirty Dancing soundtrack, George Michael's Faith album in excessus
Kick album. We've got Long Cold Winter for you today.
We've got ou eight one to two by Van Halen
coming up next week. We've already done die Hard and
coming to America.
Speaker 1: Don't forget Twins.
Speaker 3: Twins was December of night.
Speaker 1: Yagadaec and we've also covered Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Speaker 3: You have to find that on the docum Base seventy
seven podcast. That's definitely heart of summer of eighty eight.
So we've got a pretty good Summer of eighty eight
thing going. And on our Worst Sequels of the eighties,
we will discuss a movie from the summer of eighty eight,
I promise.
Speaker 1: So we get the worst sequels of the eighties coming
up pretty soon. Yes, So that episode was inspired by
an episode we did with the pop Culture Yearbook, which
we covered the best sequels of the eighties and nineties. Right,
so go check that one out as well.
Speaker 3: That was fun.
Speaker 1: That's fun episode. It was like a draft.
Speaker 3: It was football draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a different format. Well, I liked it.
Speaker 3: Brad Pete and Giff Good Buddy's over at the pop
Culture Yearbook.
Speaker 1: Is Gift named out? No, he was my age, so
he wouldn't have been named after like the Kathy Lee Gifford. No,
I was thinking, wasn't Gift the name of Biff's character
in like part in Back to the Future Part two?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Griff, Griff?
Speaker 1: That's yeah Griff.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, cool. So we'll take a wish and a
prayer across our fingers because we always get by long
cold winner by Cinderella.
Speaker 1: Right. So, I was saying, I'm not taking you back
to eighty eight. I'm gonna take you back to eighty six.
But I'm not gonna take you back to nineteen eighty six.
I'll take you back to eighteen eighty six. I know
you love it what I do, which is when Lena
Blackburn was born. Lena was a professional baseball player, a manager,
and an inventor. And let me ask you this, is
there ever a situation where you want your balls to
be rough instead of being smooth? I can't think of you.
I think I'm going into a manscape pad.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: The answer to the question is you want them to
be rough whenever you are a baseball pitcher, because if
they're too smooth, it's too hard. Well, Lena Blackburn is
the guy who invented the mud that they could use
to rough up baseballs so that they were rough instead
of smooth. He did that in nineteen thirty eight when
he was a third base coach and one of the
umpires was complaining when they would rub him in the
dirt on the field that made them all dirty and ugly,
And so he found the perfect grain of dirt in
some New Jersey river.
Speaker 3: It's this hidden. It's like a secret in baseball. They
really knows where this is.
Speaker 1: It has been passed down from generation and relatives and friends,
and the guy still has it a secret. You know,
I go and I find this stuff, and if people
ask me about it, I'm like, oh, this is just
from my garden. You know, he will not tell and
he has to get about one thousand pounds a year
of it, So it's not that big of a deal.
But there's literally a Major League rule that says the
ball has to be properly rubbed so that the gloss
is removed. Andlena Blackburn is the guy who did this
in nineteen thirty eight. Now why am I telling you
about that?
Speaker 3: Why are you telling us much?
Speaker 1: Well, because Lena Blackburn was from Clifton Heights, Philadelphia, Okay,
which is where fifty years later, two guys who were
also from Clifton Heights recorded an album called Long Cold Winter,
and those two guys were Tom Keefer and Eric Brittingham.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: So those two guys being from the same place, same
place in Philadelphia's seb over Philadelphia, and they get together.
They'd been in bands before. Tom was in a band
where he would do cover songs. But he thought, you
know what, Stones they do their own songs. Zeppelin, they
do their own songs. I want to get together with
some guys and we're going to do our own music.
And so that's what he did.
Speaker 3: Do you know what His cover band was called, tell
Me Saints in Hell.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought that was kind of a clear name, creative.
Speaker 3: It's Saints in Hell.
Speaker 1: It's very bad medicine or love a bad name, all
those juxtaposed ideas.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's the Desmond child. Opposites go together.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, Unfortunately, he got kind of addicted to drugs and
alcohol when he was in high school and he almost
dropped out. Yes, but his mom made a deal with him,
if you get through high school, I will buy you
the pinnacle of guitars, a Gibson less Paul, which brings
me to our guest today, mister Kevin Davis, who has
created for me a less Paul like guitar. I gave
him one of my less Paul like guitars and I said, hey,
can you make this good? And he went, yeah, I
could do that. And then after a few weeks he
was like, that guitar is so crappy. It's just no way.
And then finally, after several weeks of frustration, he was like,
you know what, I've I've figured out how to make
it good. And I said, okay, good, and he goes
I'm buying you a new one. And so he bought
me a new one. And then after working on the
new one, it's like everything relaxed, and he fixed the
old one too. So my good friend made me two
guitars that are incredibly beautiful. If you guys have a
desire for a custom made beautiful whether less Paul style
or something else, hit us up at Shirleypodcast at gmail
dot com and I'll put you in touch with Kevin Davis,
who could make you some beautiful Thank you.
Speaker 3: Don't give you too much credit though, turns out Kevin
Ken paulish a turn exactly.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Well, wait a minute now, I want to I want
to stop you for just a second, because I'm not
a guitar guy. Tell me about the Gibson less Paul
because I know nothing. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Why is that important?
Speaker 1: Les Paul is kind of the guy who created the
standard for electric guitars.
Speaker 3: Okay, so is this a one hundred dollars guitar? Is
this one thousand dollars guitar?
Speaker 1: Probably at least a five thousand dollars guitar new Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4: The body style, the just the electronics and would they
use And the shape of it just has a very
unique tone to it that you cannot replicate with you know.
Speaker 1: A Fender.
Speaker 4: A Fender stratocaster is very very similar in a way
that the body, its body style in body shape and
electronics give it a unique style. But for rock musicians,
a lot of rock musicians prefer the less Paul. It
is the as de said, is the cream of the
crop for rock guitarist.
Speaker 1: So after high school he's got his less Paul guitar.
He's trying to make it as a musician, but that's
a difficult task. He has side jobs of walking horses
at racetracks and delivering film to developing outlets nice hey,
whatever it takes, right right, But eventually he and Eric
Brittingham get together. They get together with a couple of
guys named Michael Shermick and Tony Destra and they formed
the band Cinderella.
Speaker 3: Now, before you go any further, in nineteen eighty three,
Cinderella was discovered by a established rock star. Yeah, now,
nothing happened from this, but still, Gene Simmons of Kiss
was the first guy who said, you guys got to
be on a label. Somewhow Wait, you guys got to
be making albums. Let's get this going.
Speaker 1: This is not the first time we've heard this story. Interestingly,
we've heard this story before with Van Halen, who we
are comparing to Cinderella for this particular matchup. That's right,
how about that new version of van Halen, not the
old version of van Halen, but still Gene Simmons tried
with both bands to make something happen and couldn't convince
the A and R guys.
Speaker 3: He wanted to change them their name to Daddy Longlegs.
Speaker 1: That was van Halen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, though, another rock musician heard them playing at
the Empire Rock Club, and that is mister John bon Jovie,
who will come up here in a little while, I.
Speaker 3: Think, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: And he said, I saw Tommy Keefer on stage delivering
some pretty nifty, growling vocals, and then he whipped out
this less Paul and proceeded to lay into some astounding sounds.
The guy struck me as a star right then and there.
So he talks to his A and R man, Derek Shulman,
who's a fantastic guitarist himself, and Shulman's like, ah, I
don't know that they're ready to be signed yet. Let's
do like a six month development deal with them. But
they negotiated and ended up signing with PolyGram Records.
Speaker 3: So you know, bon Jovi, Jamo Jovi, and Richie Sambora
end up in the video for Somebody Save Me, and
so they kind of repay the favor. They're kind of
endorsing Cinderella, and they actually toured with bon Jovi on
the Slippery When Wet tour in nineteen eighty six. Hang on,
before we go any further, we have to talk about
Pat's Chili Dogs. Okay, this is gonna blow your socks off. Okay, ready,
all right, have you seen their first music video for
Pat's Chili Dogs? No, okay, before I show this commercial
to you, guys. So here's the story with this. So
there's a local business owner who had a chili dog store,
who is a fan and rock music, and it came
and in one night he saw Cinderella perform and he's like, Hey,
guess what, guys, I've got a chili dog stand and
I want you guys to make the commercial for me.
And he goes, here's the deal. I am a local
MTV advertiser, so it only shows here in the Philadelphia area,
but it will be shown on the channel that shows
music television. And so Tom Keefer is like, well, it's
not MTV, but it's pretty darn close. So let's do it.
Pat's Chili Dogs check it out.
Speaker 1: How about out that open twenty four hours when you're hungry,
We're ready.
Speaker 3: Tom keepers said that they were opened late and so
they got free food anytime they wanted, so after the
gigs they would always swing by Pat's Dogs and grab
chili dogs. I mean the life of a rock star, right,
free chili dogs.
Speaker 1: So we got to put this in. We gotta find
find our category to put this in because we've obviously
got Brian Johnson doing the Hoover vacuum commercial. Yeah, We've
got David Coverdale doing what was it Seltzer water commercials,
that's right, and now we've got Cinderella doing chili dog commercials.
Come on, it makes me want to have chila dog
eat and drink and clean up afterwards. That's great, man,
that's great.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, as I mentioned initially, the lineup included Michael Shermick
and Tony Destra. But in eighty five, just before they
sign they left the band.
Speaker 3: Sad they quote unquote left the band. Yeah, okay, So
here's the story. Derek Shulman, who was the talent guy
from PolyGram, John bo Jovi's talent guy, he came at
bon Jovi's request, watched him and he said, Okay, the
singer star, the guy with blonde hair really good. The
other two guys suck, right, Yeah, And so he went
to Tom Keefer and he's like, listen, you got to
get rid of these two guys. And so Tom Keefer said,
I saw him interviewed about this. He said, if I
didn't agree with what he said, I would have fought
for them. But I agreed with him. They weren't up
to par musically. So he had that hard conversation, said guys,
you got to go. So he kicked him out. But
he also said, to their credit, they went and established
themselves in another band, and that band is Britney Fox.
He freaking Fox.
Speaker 1: Tell me your favorite Britney Fox song easily long Way
to Long Way to Love Summer of eighty eight.
Speaker 3: And then, I mean everybody pretty much knows Girls School
that's probably the most famous one, but for me, it's
a long way to love. But I had that album.
I mean, they were created as a colone of Cinderella,
and you know what, it's dead on. It never occurred
to me, but they are a poor man's Cinderella.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I do recall that they did example Tom Keeper
a lot.
Speaker 1: So they end up replacing them. Guitarist becomes Jeff Lebar
and drummer becomes Jeff Dernick. Okay, and they record their
debut album Night Songs.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so you skip something that's really major.
I gotta tell you, I'm waiting to drop this bomb
on you. Okay. So I told you guys that there's
two major bands that were influenced by the formation of Cinderella.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So Tom Keefer fires two guys. They go on, they
create Brittany Fox. So that created a vacancy for a
drummer and a guitarist. So Tom Keeper's looking for guitarists.
He's also friends with John bon Jovi. John by Jovi's
not gonna givehim Richie sam Moora. But he does have
a friend who's a guitarist from the old neighborhood. Oh
no way, do you remember his name.
Speaker 1: So is this Dave Sable of skid Row.
Speaker 3: Dave Snake Sabo of skid Row was almost the guitarist
in Cinderell. Uh huh Okay, So here's the story. So
obviously bon Jovi's stepping in giving him a help, helping hand,
so they feel loyalty to John Well. John's friend is
Dave Snake Sabo, right, and they're like, Okay, we need
to look hard at this guy because he's friends with
John and you know he can play, and he's a
good singer, songwriter, whatever. And so it comes down to
him and Jeff Lebar and so they auditioned both guys
and here's the thing that that was the clincher. Snake
Sabo would not leave them alone. He called him like
every day like am I in, am I in, am
I in, am I in I mean, And they're finally like,
this guy's gonna wear us out. So they're like, we
can't have this guy. He's gonna drive us crazy. So
that is what caused them to say, Jeff Lebar, you're
in Sorry Snake Sabo, see you later, which he said
was the best thing in the world because at that
moment he's like, I was so desperate to get into
an established band. He's like, I realized I just need
to go start my own band, and that freaking gives
us skid row.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good story, dude, very nice. So they
do Night Songs. They roll through a few different guitarists
and drummers. One of the guys, Fred Curry, joins the band,
was in all of the music videos and the tours,
and then totally misses out on everything else.
Speaker 3: He's not on the album. That blows my mind, Like,
how do you get in a band and you're never
participating in the album. You know who was on the
album though, Denny Carmassi, who is the guy from Heart
and Cozy Powell, which we talked about in our White
Snake episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cozy is one of Jeff Buckley's favorites.
Speaker 3: So is Denny Kramasi. Yeah, Jase Buckley, there you go, buddy, drummers,
we're learning right.
Speaker 4: Has been with many established bands throughout the years. Yeah,
Bet Group, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, White Snakes.
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, Yeah, I mean he's a star drummer, right,
He's a star drummer exactly.
Speaker 1: So they end up touring to support Night Songs. They
tour with Poison and they're opening up for a Japanese
heavy metal band. Did you guys know this?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: They opened for them, and Poison open for a Japanese
heavy metal band called Loudness. They continue touring through eighty seven.
These guys love touring. I watched the video with them
and they were like, the saddest day of the tour
was the day we pulled into the last hotel at
the last show, because we knew this was this was
the end of it. Yeah, which is different. I mean,
most of the guys, like Van Halen, they were ready
to kill each other at the end of their tour,
right right, But these guys I love touring together. They
open for Loudness they did then end up opening for
David Lee Roth after that.
Speaker 3: How about that? It's crazy the Van Halen connection.
Speaker 1: And then they, like you said, they open for bon
Jovi on their Slippery When Wet tour. Then finally they
come back and they are ready to do their second album,
which is what we're here to discuss today, Boys and girls,
Long Cold Winner.
Speaker 3: Okay, before we get to Long Cold Winner, I got
to ask you, guys, did you hear the story with
David Lee Roth on tour for Night Songs. No Okay.
So Davily Roth has left van Halen, and of course
his ego is the size of you know, New York
City or whatever, and Cinderella is surging in popularity while
David Lee Roth is kind of a little stagnant, not
quite establishing himself that quickly off of Van Halen, and
so Cinderella starts to kind of pass him in popularity
as the opening band, and so David Lee Roth starts
to put all these restrictions on what they can and
can't do as the opening band. So one of them
was that you can't engage the crowd. And Tom Keefer's like,
what are you talking about, dude, Like this is nuts,
Like you can't go hey Cleveland, how are you guys
do it? Like you can't do that. This is the
type of weird craft that David Ly Roth with you, right, right.
So that was an interesting time. They learned a lot,
They learned what not to do as a headliner. Bon
Jovi treated them great, and so they try to treat
others well, unlike the way they were treated from Davily Roth.
Speaker 1: Nice well. So this this album, their second album, was
a definite turn from the first album. Right Night Songs
comes out and it is full glam metal. Right So
Tom Keefer said, this was new and exciting to us,
and basically when we heard what the polished recordings sound like,
we're blown away because our demos just sucked, you know.
So it was kind of this, Wow, this is amazing.
But after a few months and years go by, he's like, you,
I kind of want less polished. I don't want this,
you know, clean loud, full fat sound. I want it
more bluesy, more authentic, more raw. And you definitely get
that with Long Cold Winter, for sure. But I told
you guys, this was not an album that was in
my wheelhouse in nineteen eighty eight. Eighty eight is the
year that I started listening to all of the old
seventies stuff. I started listening to Zeppelin and Skinnered and
all these other things. And so I was familiar with
Cinderella because of MTV and because I don't know what
you got. But this was not an album in my wheelhouse.
And so when it was time to do this, I'm
sure you remember, I put I put it on, and
I first three songs, I called you up and I
was like this is fan freaking fantastic, fantastic. I was amazed.
I'm so glad that we were doing this because I
love this album.
Speaker 3: That's so great. I'm so glad to hear that. And
I could have called it, like I told myself, I'm like,
he's gonna love this album. Absolutely yeah. And in fact,
I think I know the song. There's one song on
this album. I'm like, Okay, that's off the Beaten track
and it's gonna blow these socks off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll.
Speaker 3: Get to we'll talk about it now, Kevin, Did you
own this album?
Speaker 2: I did first CD I ever owned, Is that right?
I did?
Speaker 4: I bought it the same day I bought my first
CD player. They didn't have much of a selection, but
they did have Long Cold Winter. I'd been a fan
of Night Song, so I bought the album, took it home,
put it in, and the song that you're about to
talk about is totally blew me away.
Speaker 1: You said you had roommates this time, right, I.
Speaker 4: Had two roommates and I put it on and cranked
it up, and they were in there saying, who's this?
This is great?
Speaker 3: So I mean, let's are we ready to dive it?
Speaker 1: I think that's the answer.
Speaker 3: That's a great interesting Yeah.
Speaker 1: Time to jump into the album, so stick it in
song number one.
Speaker 3: The song's called bad Seamstress Blues, or you might know
it has fallen apart of the scenes. I ain't got
no one to calm out.
Speaker 1: I say, I'm gonna win. I got just a little
bit old un all I got come on gone. So
I think that I probably felt the same way that
everybody who had heard Night Songs felt when they put
this in and listened to it the first time, and
we're like, what is this? What is this? Is this
Robert Johnson, what are we listening to here? This is
a dough bro. This is not a Gibson lest Paul.
This is not a hard Marshall stack. This is an
acoustic dough bro blues with a harmonica and a I
don't even know what the it's like mouth harp. Yeah,
Oh my gosh, I was My mind was blown.
Speaker 3: It blew my hair back, Like I'm like, what is
this coming out of my speakers? It's that slow build.
You got the slide guitar, you got the little tap
of the drums, you get the harmonica, and then you
start to get that that beat right, you just boom, boom, boom,
and then the guitar comes in. I just fell out
of my chair. It's freaking amazing.
Speaker 2: It's definitely how you start an album.
Speaker 1: That's right and if and if you know, I want
to do blue stuff, but I also want to speak
to the guys who bought whatever, fifty thousand night songs
a week for months on end. Then you say let's
go boys, and you come in with that blasting guitar.
Speaker 3: It's freaking amazing. It's blues, it's rock, it's hard rock.
But this whole album has got a very sort of
Mississippi blues feel to it and yet stays true to
its rock roots. So absolutely, the word that I saw
described best for this song, I thought it was a
word titanic. This is a kick in the teeth coming
out of the gate. I freaking loves a song.
Speaker 1: So this. You remember when we talked about Back in Black,
that last song on the album that I said, Hey,
this is the one that these guys do something different,
They do something varied, right. What I love about this
album is that this is varied right out of the
gate from what they had done before, but then they
still give you They give you little taste of the
blues and the beauty of his lyrics. I mean, he's
got some depth that I was expecting stuff like Poison
and Motley Crue were writing back then, not the deep
emotional lyrics. It kicks me in the teeth.
Speaker 3: Like you said, that might be the perfect comparison. So
rock and roll ain't noise pollution. This song's very asy dcye.
You know what a great comparison, you know.
Speaker 2: Very good.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: I love the song more the probably the most catching
song to me on the album. Very underrated, underappreciated, but
those that have heard it, I'm sure ninety percent of
the will love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have one small thing that bugs me about
this song. Okay, one small thing. Okay, what's the title
of the song? Is that bad seamstress blues? Or is
it falling apart of the seams?
Speaker 4: I think the intro is bad Seamstress blues. In the
once it starts rocking, it's falling apart at the same.
Speaker 3: Okay, that bugs me. Let's just call it one thing
and let's kick it in the teeth and go down
the road. You know.
Speaker 1: So I was Kevin when he was talking to me
about this album, said that he would listen to the
first three songs over and over again. And I think
you were saying you listen to bad Seamstress Blues Falling
Apart at the Seams and Gypsy wrote like that was
that was where one two like one, two and three
like one is really one and two.
Speaker 3: Right right right right, So I don't know, It's just
a little personal thing. Yeah, very much a tone setter
for the album too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one when it when it started going, it
took me back to some of the stuff that Jimmy
Page was doing when he was with led Zeppelin. That's
he would do a slide frequently, and this one definitely
he was jumping on that because I know that Keifer
is a huge led Zeppelins fan.
Speaker 3: You know, you talk about it. The producer of this
album is Andy Johns. Yeah, and I mean he worked
on led Zebelin four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he worked. He worked with led Zeppelin, Hero of Theirs,
Rolling Stones, Hero of Theirs. Now obviously he had been
with them already on Night Songs. He had produced that one, right,
but then after this album he goes on to produce
for Unlawful Carnal Knowledge and Live Right Here. Right now.
Speaker 3: So we're going to talk about that next week because
I definitely, yeah, I definitely think that. The Van Halen
Boys said we want an album. This sounds like long
cold winner, Yeah, and they hired Andy Johnson. By the way,
I couldn't find the story on this. Tom Keeper says
Andy Johns was brilliant, but he was nuts, like he
was crazy. He said, like we were worried about our
safety at times, okay, And I was like, man, I
gotta find out more about this. Couldn't find it. Huh So.
But he did tell them that everyone, at one point
or another that they all sucked, so sometimes you need that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you motivated people in different ways, right.
Speaker 3: He said. Andy Johns told him that during one take,
he you know, pressed the call button and said Thomas.
He called him Thomas, which I thought that was fine.
He said, Thomas. What we're going for here is when
they get to the end of the record, that they'll
want to pick up and start it over. They were like, okay,
thank you, Okay, we're done.
Speaker 5: With this one.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's move on to song number two.
Speaker 3: Song number two. This song is called Gypsy Road.
Speaker 1: Some fast Talking Mama for a dollar put a smile
on my face. Tell me that that is not borrowed
from Aerosmith. Oh yeah, I love it. This is a
great song about being on the road and missing being
home and not being able to go home. I'm always
on the road and never going home.
Speaker 3: Two songs in a row. My hair is blown back.
It's just blown me away. The strength of these songs
right off the bat.
Speaker 4: The song it still stands the test of time today.
It could come out today, but it's very reminiscent of Barrowsmith.
The song could have also easily been slid right onto
Night Songs and we'll put in with the songs of
that autum.
Speaker 1: It is definitely more of the metal sound than the
first song. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: So this was the first single, so I don't think
we said it. The album came out in July fifth
of nineteen eighty eight, so we're dead center summer of
eighty eight. Drop this video in this single first it
only reaches number fifty one, Are you kidding me? At
the peak of hair metal, only fifty I don't know
what they were looking for, but this song is deserves better.
It's underappreciated, Yes, sir. This was their opening track for
the muscow Piece Festival, and we've talked about that a
few times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's interesting. You can watch the video on YouTube,
but it's got this probably nearly two minute long introduction
that's not on the song, that is synthesizer strings playing
while Tom Kiefer is singing, and you've got this gigantic
stadium full of these Soviet citizens who are getting to
watch rock, real rock music for the first time, all
just banging their head even though it's like strings playing.
And then when the other guys come out and the
song begins with the full blast of the guitar and
the drums, get this aerial shot. You can see the
entire stadium fluctuate with passion as they're like, oh my gosh,
here it is, here's the rock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually rented that the night that it dropped.
We pay per viewed it and me and my friends
we pay per viewed the Muscopiece Festival and we loved it.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 3: So I gotta ask you, have you guys seen the
music video recently for Gypsy Road? Now, Okay, so it's
shot in and around Cantcu, Mexico.
Speaker 1: So the director of the video is a guy named
Nick Morris, he's done a ton of videos. The one
he did right before this one was Carrie by Europe. Yes,
and then he's like, hey, we're gonna go down to
kan Kun, which sounds like a great plan, except that
it's the middle of summer.
Speaker 3: It is one hundred and twenty degrees one hundred percent humidity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, it's okay because we're going to film
on like the cheech needs the pyramid, so it's gonna
be fantastic right right now.
Speaker 3: They get down there and they're like, no, you can't
film here. What are you talking about.
Speaker 1: You're like, you've got a contract.
Speaker 3: See the signature right here, see we sign it. Yeah, no,
can't do it. So while there the heads are working
it out, one guy grabs a camera and it's just
like gorilla filming, and so everything you see in the
video with Chitsanitza, it's one guy running with a camera
over here, Hey, grab your guitar, hand play real quick,
and they kind of stitch it together.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. So you guys distract him. We're gonna take
the good drummer and the bass player over here for
a few minutes.
Speaker 3: Hey, i've been to chits Aita and they don't want
you freaking touching that. I'll tell you that, No, they don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hot one I went to freaking out.
Speaker 3: Here's the interesting thing too, I've never really understood this,
but Nick Morris, the video director, was given ten days
to come up with two videos. So they fly to
Mexico shoot this, and then immediately they fly to northern
California to shoot the next song.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about far northern California. Yeah, like
where you've gone from one hundred and twenty degrees to
like zero degree.
Speaker 3: Like freezing your butt off.
Speaker 1: So that brings us to song number three, probably the
most famous song of the band, Don't know what you
got til it's gone. Heartagges come and go, and all
that's left are the wounds. If you happen to break
up with somebody between late eighty eight nineteen ninety one,
chances are this song came on the radio and you
started crying.
Speaker 3: This is definitely on the Makeout list of eighty eight man,
make Out, break Up, get Back Together list.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, so let me cheer up, just thinking
remember that girl, Hey.
Speaker 3: You remember Genie Alexander, our friend of the show Patreon.
Remember Jeanie Alexander said, if this is not on your
best of eighty eight, you're.
Speaker 1: Doing it Rockau.
Speaker 3: Remember we did our best of eighty eight list.
Speaker 1: Well, that was my fault. I should have had that.
I should have had this one on there. I don't
know how it I think. I think what I thought
was we're going to be covering the whole album soon,
and I'm going to leave it for that. But I
will say this, this is the song that I knew
from the album before listening to it for this episode.
I felt like maybe Seamstress Blues was going to overcome it.
But there's too much nostalgia. It's still my favorite song
on the album, but there are a whole lot of
songs that I am so happy that I know now
because of this episode. So yeah, awesome, Ken, What do
you think?
Speaker 2: I love this song?
Speaker 4: I thought it was a lyrically and musically it was
it gave you everything you wanted in the song, and
the video was pretty cool. Didn't realize it was in
northern California. Just recall him sitting with waves crashing.
Speaker 1: So in the in the tour after that, you know,
when they do their fourteen month long tour for this album. Afterwards,
they would start the show with him being lowered down
playing a white piano playing.
Speaker 3: This song lowered from the ceiling. Yeah, awesome. The eighties
were so freaking awesome.
Speaker 1: Nobody flies anymore.
Speaker 3: So sweet soul, full vocals. Right, you have the guitar solo.
That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Can we just talk for a second about the fact
that Tom Kuefort is so so good at the guitar,
and then he's got this voice, I mean, like Brian Johnson,
Like I said, like, that's what I think of is
Brian Johnson? Yeah, Yeah, he could have done any AC
DC song and I would have known the difference. But
he's at the time was able to go from that rough, rough,
screamy voice to these beautiful like you can't even tell
it's the same guy. It's so good. And then he's
also a blisteringly good guitarist.
Speaker 3: His guitar work is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ry talent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and bring the strings in anytime you add strings
to the rock ballad I want to cry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, breaks your heart.
Speaker 3: So this song was the second single. It peaked at
number twelve on the Hot one hundred What Yes, what
only number twelve would you like to hear the eleven
better songs than this?
Speaker 1: I gotta tell people. I gotta tell people this, right,
So I see number twelve and immediately my mind goes to, Okay,
Jason's gonna give us the eleven songs that were better
than song. So we got here today and You're like, oh,
I don't have my list, and Kevin's like I know them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that was awesome.
Speaker 1: I looked them up.
Speaker 3: Well, Kevin, do you want to go through the list?
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, all right.
Speaker 3: So number eleven, I Don't Want Your Love by Duran Duran.
Then number ten, we've got one moment in time. I'm
by Whitney Houston, I mean makes every n cuaa tournament.
Then you have look Away by Chicago. It's pretty good, right,
how can I fall?
Speaker 1: By Breathe?
Speaker 3: These are these are makeout songs? Right, Kissing the Fool
by George Michael. This is a lot of making That's
a d favorite right there.
Speaker 1: It is very jazzy, but I love it.
Speaker 3: We have Baby I Loved Your Way by Wilt Power
with the free Bird breakdown in the middle.
Speaker 1: Right, we when did we talk? We talked about that recently.
Speaker 3: What we did uh, what was that it was? It
was opened up and say, I think it was one
it was, yeah, one of those albums. Then you have
Kokomo by the Beach Boys, Deaf Dave's favorite song of
all time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Then you have Desire by You Two.
Speaker 1: Okay, these are I mean, these are some big hitters.
I'm not complaining yet, Okay.
Speaker 3: Locomotion by Kylie Minogue, well okay, Easy on the Eyes, yeah,
Wild Wide West by Escape Club one of these best
of eighty anal mentions. Yeah, and then Bad Medicine by Bonjovi.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean those are all really good. That
Doubt list, right, that is a strong list.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 1: There were songs on there that I don't like as
well as the song, but it's they're still prettying good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So just talking about the video shot at Golden Hour,
when you look at it, it's all gold and purples,
and so they talked about how they definitely always shot
at dawn and dusk. They also talked about how the
aerial shots they had a Vietnam bed who had access
to a helicopter that the first day when the helicopter
didn't work, he's like, no problem, we'll just jump it.
So they jump started the helicopter.
Speaker 1: Does that make you worry at all? You're about to
get on a helicopter and they're like, okay, get out
the jumper.
Speaker 3: Cable, he said. They were always like, is the helicopter
doing okay? And then of course the shoot was very,
very cold. Go from Cancun blistering hot to Monoway, California.
Speaker 1: Freaking freezing mont of Lake by the way, formed seven
hundred and fifty thousand years ago. Thank you just had
that bit of information in my head. Yeah, it is
known for its a lot of marine life, including Brian Shrump.
I don't know what are you talking about it. I'm
just telling you Mono Lake.
Speaker 3: Okay, Kevin, you got any kind of trivia on Mono Lake.
Speaker 2: Force, First time I've heard of it?
Speaker 3: All right? Three tracks in We've got Killer, Killer Killer,
Are we right?
Speaker 1: For track four?
Speaker 3: This fourth song on the album, This song is called
the Last Mile.
Speaker 1: Well, this one starts off with a theme that was
pretty popular in nineteen eighty eight, doing a twelve string
guitar intro to jump right into a nice heavy, crunchy
guitar arpeggio.
Speaker 3: Hey I've learned something. Yeah, it's a great This is
a great rock song. This is not as bluesy, but
this song's great too. This we're four tracks in. I'm
loving it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well this was a single, right it was. This reached
number thirty six one d. This is the third single
ken What do you think, man?
Speaker 2: I love the song. I don't have much to add.
Speaker 4: Always enjoyed listening to the song though.
Speaker 3: This song is about finding contentment on the road of life.
These guys are not really singing about boobs and girls
and drugs, and I mean they're different than their peers
in that aspect.
Speaker 1: I think. Well, one of the lines of the song
is monkey on.
Speaker 3: My back, but gotta find a better way, better way.
Speaker 1: Not a love affair with heroin.
Speaker 3: It's not a list of strip clubs like we saw
from so great song love It. This was released January
of nineteen eighty nine. The video for the Last Mile
is your standard eighties fair where it's concert and so
you get a peek behind the curtain and it's there
on the road and travel everybody had a traveling road video.
Well this is theirs.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this wasn't a skipper for you, No,
it wasn't. Okay, Yeah, is it.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 1: No, this one was good. I just remember him telling
me one of these songs is a skipper, and I
was trying to figure out if it was this one
or maybe the next one.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, here we go.
Speaker 1: So that brings us to the last song on side one,
back when things had sides. Yes, yes, this is second win. Okay,
So I like this song. Yeah, the sound made me
think of a Guns n' Roses song that would not
come out for another three years. Yeah, yeah, you could
be Mine from T two. And I'm sitting here and
I'm thinking this has the same kind of style to it.
Same And then I get about two minutes and forty
seconds into the song and it's got this little breakdown
right here, and I'm like, guns n' Roses totally stole
this song.
Speaker 3: Well you would think so, except they wrote you could
be Mine in eighty seven. Okay, that's a right. I
won't say that. No, I won't trash your theory. No,
that's fine, it's okay. Did they they almost put it
on Appetite, That's.
Speaker 1: Right, they did, so they had blows my theory. No,
that's fine. I like the I like that. That's fine.
We can keep it in there.
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, sorry, all right, Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know Maydie Cinderella heard guns and Roses. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's the breakdown that they didn't have in
the original version.
Speaker 3: There you go, now, Kevin, you're telling us this is
a skipper notes.
Speaker 4: If they put more thoughts into the lyrics, it would
be a better song.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Musically it's okay.
Speaker 1: Song okay, not your favorite, not my favorite, okay.
Speaker 4: My least favorite on the album, really okay, Okaydee, what
do you think.
Speaker 1: I'm more of a music guy anyway. So I'm still
digging this one, and I'm trying not to think about
Guns n' Roses. But uh but no, I dug it,
and I like that. I really like that breakdown in
the middle. I do. So this song second Wind is
the only song on the album that Cozy Powell did
not play the drum song. Oh really okay, yeah, maybe
that's why Kevin didn't like it.
Speaker 3: Maybe Dinny Camasi, yes, okay, okay, I've got a quick
story okay, adjacent to this song.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So this made the set list in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on
March of nineteen eighty nine. Okay, so there was song
number ten and they played it between Gypsy Road and
Nobody's Full from Night songs. Okay, so this was a
song they did play in concert. Now, then I've told
you know me pretty well. In March of eighty nine,
I was on a ski trip, but Cinderella played Tulsa,
Oklahoma this same week as I was supposed to go skiing,
and it was Cinderella and Winger and the Bullet Boys,
and I freaking love ski trips, but I literally was like, hmmm, Cinderella, Winger,
Bullet Boys.
Speaker 1: Or ski trip.
Speaker 3: I opted for the ski trip. But I the one
concert in my life that I missed that I could
have gone to was this one and still has a
little twinge in my heart because I missed it, little
pained regret. Yes, it was over spring break. It was
like I remember it because it was on spring break
in my high school year.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Sorry for you, I know.
Speaker 3: So I did not get to hear second Win played
at the tenth overall song on that.
Speaker 1: All right, well it's time for you to say it, Jason.
Speaker 3: Hit stop on your tape player, kick it out. Flip
it over for side two, and we kick it off
with the song called Long Cold Winter.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I mean, oh my gosh, let's start side
one with the blues from the Crossroads, and let's start
side to with this beautiful, soulful blues lead guitar that
just melts your freaking face.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 3: For the record, this was the song that I said
he's gonna love this song.
Speaker 1: You were right, Yes, yes, very very very good song
like this Bad Seamsress Blues Falling part of the Seams,
Don't Know What You Got Till It's Gone, and Long
Cold Winter are my top three on the album, and
they could find the top spot any day, depending on
my movie.
Speaker 3: Who Okay, Kevin, what do you think?
Speaker 4: Love this song musically and vocally remind me of Janis Jockey? Okay,
Just a very heartfelt blues song. Makes you feel the
pain that he's feeling.
Speaker 3: His vocals are blistering in this song.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, just the first lines of the song,
I've been down, I've been crying in the dead of night.
I've been trying. I've been trying to find the time
to make it right. If that's not blues, I don't
know what it is.
Speaker 3: That's the blues.
Speaker 5: Baby.
Speaker 3: Don't get out of here about paying the blues, you know.
I was, I was listening to this album today and
I thought to myself, if this song had been playing
in the background during the weird science scene where he's like,
that's been let me tell you my story, it would
have fit right, Yes, super bluesy during the concerts, it
would snow during this song.
Speaker 1: How did what?
Speaker 3: They would drop artificial snowflakes from the ceiling during this song?
All right, I mean, once again, concerts are not what
they were. They drop a freaking piano from the ceiling
and they make it snow during the song local Winter.
How cool is that?
Speaker 1: Beautiful?
Speaker 3: Okay? I thought maybe I'd just bring this up at
this moment. Jeff Lebar, who was the original not original
guitarist for Cinderella, the one we know from Night Songs on,
passed away July fourteenth of twenty twenty one, had a
long history of substance abuse and was one of the
main reasons why Cinderella had been inactive for a lot
of years. Tom Keefer actually his one of his his
left vocal cord was paralyzed. Yeah, and it wasn't something
he could really get over, so that was a major factor.
But Jeff Lebar had some heroin issues and after going
missing for three or four days, they discovered him in
his apartment in Nashville. It's kind of a sad, sad
thing that's treasure.
Speaker 1: So so this is the perfect sad story to tell
during this incredibly sad bluesy song. I don't want to
be done with this song, but we do have to
keep going.
Speaker 3: I am proud of myself though, for nailing the song
that you would love.
Speaker 1: On this album. All right. That brings us to song
number two on side to song number seven on the album.
This song is called if you Don't Like It. I
really want to hear Joe Perry and Steven Tyler cover
this song yeah, because I think they would kill it. Yes,
it has got a Joe Perry style lick to it.
It is got the rhythm that all of Steven Tyler's
songs have. I would love to hear them cover the
song that'd being said, this is not my favorite song on.
Speaker 3: The album, let me think him.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: I don't like the song as much as I like
others on the album. I don't think it's a bad song,
it's a better song.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I definitely would agree that there are better songs,
but this is a great song too. I enjoy this one. Yeah,
and his once again killing it vocally, you know, and
it's fun, you know the I just don't care, you know,
the squeal of his voice on that one. This kid's
radio play.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: It's not a Skippers, still a lot of funny. It's
hard when you compare it to Gypsy Road and don't
know what you got.
Speaker 2: So they set the bar high they did.
Speaker 3: By the way, I wanted to mention this. I forgot
to say this. So we've talked about how they sound
very Aerosmith. They sound very easy DC. There's some Zeppelin
in there, maybe some Rolling Stones, right. So I just
looked at the setlist for that concert in Tulsa when
I was in high school. They closed with jump a
Jack Flash and Sweet Home Alabama, and I'm like, dude,
that would have been a great, great ending to that concert.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I saw the end of their sets every
time they do Sweet Home Alabama and they would bring
out their opening acts, sing a song and play the
song with them. It was kind of like this group
show that we're gonna Hey, we're going to go with
a song that everybody loves. Right, But on the last
night of the last concert of the tour, the opening
band had left. They were gone. I don't know who
it was that they were gone. And so what they
did was they brought out the crew. They brought out
all the roadies and all the guys that were responsible
for getting everything put together and taking everything down. And
you've got a stage full of guys, I mean, who
never get to play guitar on stage up there playing guitar,
singing all sweet Home Alabama, arms around each other, just
you know, they're all happy and sad to be bringing
this incredible tour to an end.
Speaker 3: That is so cool that just puts us smile on
my face.
Speaker 1: I love that all right, And oddly enough, that brings
us to the perfect next song. This one is called
coming Home.
Speaker 5: I took the.
Speaker 2: Out Down, a song I was meant to stay.
Speaker 3: I see I'm spiking the football. This is my favorite
song on the album. Oh wow, I freaking love this song.
Nice Now I'm willing to admit that it has some
to do with that time in my life. Gosh, this
song just hits me right in the in the field.
So I'm not ready to say it's the best song
on the album, but.
Speaker 5: It's my favorite.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. I love it, I think him,
I love the song I.
Speaker 1: Always have once again bringing the twelfth string back in
and this is This exemplifies what I was talking about,
where he can go from that rolly scratchy to this
beautiful melodic voice. Like I hear this song and I
have the same reaction that I have when I hear
dream on for the first time in years, and I'm like,
is this really him? Because it doesn't even sound like
him until it hits that dream screaming dream On this one,
He's got this beautiful melody to his voice and the
chord progression and the rhythm. This is almost like a
country song. I mean, this is and the feels of
a country song of like I'm finally getting to go
back home, back where when we get home cooked food again.
This is a very country feel and their execution I
think is flawless on it.
Speaker 3: It's fantastic. It's the fourth single. This reached number twenty
on the Hot one hundred. I'm not going to go
through the nineteen better songs, but I absolutely love it.
Now the music video, have you guys seen it recently?
Speaker 2: Reach?
Speaker 3: Okay, So here's the deal. You have this guy who
rides his motorcycle and apparently he's involved romantically in this girl.
Somehow they get separated and he's on his way back home,
like he's headed back to see her, right, and there's
the memories of this girl. And when he gets all
the way back there, apparently there are no phones in
this universe. He gets all the way back to see here,
goes to the house that they spend all this time
in and it's boarded up, like the house is like empty,
boarded up, and he's like, oh no, what happened? And
then the girl walks in. It comes around the corner.
No kiss, no hug, no nothing. It's the weirdest video.
And first of all, he gets back home, it's boarded up,
she's moved out, but miraculously she happens to be there,
and then no kiss, no hug, there's no reconciliation at
the end. So not the best video I've ever seen
in my life. But the song is fantastic. Yeah, won't
be a sequel to that video? Yeah, no kids, No grandkids,
no nothing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this was a different director than the other videos.
This was a guy named Chris Painter, who I feel
like we've probably talked about before. But I'm glad that
I looked because, like I said to you, I was
surprised listening to this album because to me didn't feel
it all like the glam rock the bands that they
were with on the Moscow Peace Festival. I didn't feel
like that at all. It felt more like Tesla and
Black Crows, like all this blues feels well. Chris Painter
is the guy who directed all of the Tesla videos.
The love song signs, roll the Bones, all of those
are Chris Painter videos. My guess is he recorded the
first part and then they had another guy come in
because there's two, and then the second guy's named Mark Ryszewski,
who has done that much.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do we cover in Tesla D.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think the perfect matchup
is Black Crows, so we just got to figure out
how to make that happen, right.
Speaker 3: Tesla versus Black Crows. I am on board, Yeah, I'm
on board. Okay, moving on. Next song on the album
is called Fire and Ice.
Speaker 1: Okay, gentlemen. For me, this is the first skipper on
the album. This feels like filler to me, second to
last song on the album. First skipper, I agree, this
is a skipper. This is the one skipper for me. Kaef,
I agree.
Speaker 4: It's not a very good song. Every time I hear it,
I'm like hearing it for the first time.
Speaker 3: It doesn't stick with It's more rock, it's crunchy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I could see this being a concert song, you know,
with fire and ice, maybe like red lights and blue lights.
Speaker 1: And amp up the pyrotechnics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, except they didn't play it on their set list,
so this is not a great concert.
Speaker 1: They felt the same way about the song that we
didn't right, They're like, that was just a filler song.
We don't really care about that song.
Speaker 3: Skipper.
Speaker 1: It's so very good. That will move right along.
Speaker 3: Then moving on.
Speaker 1: Last song on the album, say it Ain't so. This
song is called take Me.
Speaker 5: Back Mississippi Queen.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I'm sorry, wrong song, wrong song. I got
a fever and the only prescription is more cow bells.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cow bell is the strongest part of this song next
to the lyrics. Lyrics are good. Cow Bell's good. Rest
of the song. I can see why Andy John's was like, guys,
we need to end better than this.
Speaker 3: Hey, I think this is a pretty good closer for
this album. It's it's middle of the road. It's not
a skipper. It's not fantastic, but for me, it closes
out the album nicely. It's a it's a feel good song.
Speaker 5: I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the song.
Speaker 1: That all you Got Miss zip A Queen whatever. Yeah, now,
I'm I mean it's I agree. It is not a skipper,
but it is it's not memorable either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's fine. Yeah, before we end this album,
I want I want to drop this on you real quick. Okay,
So this album sold. You know, I think I went
two times platinum in the US, so it sold a
bunch of copies. It peaked at number ten on the
Billboard two hundred. All right, d here are the nine
albums that finished ahead of it in total sales.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay?
Speaker 3: Number nine, Open Up and Say Ah covered by the
Shirley Can't Be Serious podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, what do we compare that to.
Speaker 3: Living Colors Vivid album?
Speaker 1: That's good comparison?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 3: Number eight Richard Mark's debut album.
Speaker 1: Well that was a big I was very big back then.
Speaker 3: We keep coming across this. We may have to cover
that sometimes. Number seven, oh you eight one two, which
we are comparing to this album, covering it next week.
Number six Faith Yeah, number five, he's the DJ. I'm
the rapper, you know, saying that one Fresh Prince spell there,
that's it DJ Jesse Jeff the Fresh Prince. Number four,
Roll with It by Steve Winwood. Number three Tracy Chapman's
debut album, Number two Appetite for Destruction, and number one Hysteria.
Speaker 1: So those are again, that's a heck of a list.
Speaker 3: That's a heck of a list, right, Yeah, So overall,
great album. I love so many songs on this album.
Speaker 1: Side note, Tracy Chapman just became the first African American
woman to have a song on the top of the
country charts because Luke Combs just covered Fast Car.
Speaker 3: Yeah really yeah, Well, good for her. That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: There you go. I got it, Like I said, these
pieces of information just floating around up in the bean there.
Speaker 3: Impressive yeah, impressive.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: Overall, Kevin, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Loved the album?
Speaker 4: I thought it was a good progression from their debut album.
Thought that you could see maturity and growth in the
right direction, and I was.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 4: I thought it was when it came out, I was
glad I bought it and were wore it out.
Speaker 3: D I'm really excited to hear what you think because
you didn't grow up with this like we did.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, this was I was. I'm very thankful for
getting to become familiar with this album. This will be
one that I bring into my rotation. I'm going to
be My youngest daughter is only eleven, but she absolutely
loves ac DC, and I'm like, she's going to love
this album. She's going to love Cinderella. I'm looking forward
to introducing it, introducing her to it.
Speaker 3: By the way her doors off with the first couple
of songs.
Speaker 1: By the way side note, I go to this local
restaurant all the time called Louise, which is where Kevin
and I will hang out frequently. And the first time
that he met my daughter, he thought that I had
said that it was her birthday, and so he went
and sang Happy Birthday to her, and it was not
her birthday. But it is now a running gag that
every time that he sees her or she sees him.
They tell each other Happy Birthday, and frequently he will
order a dessert for her.
Speaker 3: That is very very nice.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 3: Hey, here's what I think is so funny about that.
So you guys obviously frequent this restaurant a lot, because
we took Del Selby over there after we recorded Open
Up and say, ah, and we were looking for you,
where's Kevin?
Speaker 1: He was there? He was?
Speaker 5: He was there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh yeah, well I didn't see him.
Speaker 1: Well, he was at the bar and we were outside.
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. Shoot, sorry, next time, there we go. Okay.
Speaker 1: So this obviously was their biggest album. It was Yeah,
and then it took a couple of years and they
came out with Heartbreak Station, which went even further into
the blues style. And then it was another four years
before they finally came out with Still Climbing. And by
that time the music industry had changed substantially, right, And
as you mentioned earlier, Tom Keefer had a vocal cord
get paralyzed.
Speaker 3: Moraalysis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's I don't even know how you
go through that, but he he ultimately trained his voice
back up, had to relearn how to sing. But since
this time, they've gotten back together for one reunion tour.
It was the Cruise The Rock Isn't Dead or something
like that old eighties rock cruise ship type thing. But
then he started having trouble with his voice again and
they fell apart again. But he's still I mean, I
think a lot of these guys live in the same way.
They all live in Nashville, I thing they do. Yeah,
and so he kind of maintains it's not that the
band is dead. We still communicate, we still hang out,
we still play together. It's just we are kind of
on a hiatus because I've had these issues with my
voice and we have you know, we're not making anything
new at this point.
Speaker 3: It kind of bums me out. I mean, look what
they're capable of. Yeah, I will be anxious to hear
what you think about comparing this next week to Van
Halen's Oh You eight one two.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to cover it. And when we come back,
we will have a guest with us.
Speaker 3: Mister Jeff Johnson is coming over to talk Van Hagar
with us next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you might be asking yourself the question,
why did we pick Kevin, who's got his grandson named
after van Halen to do this album instead of the
van Halen album. Well, come back for our next episode,
where you will get final judgment from Jason for Me,
from Jeff Johnson, and from Kevin on which of these
two albums is the best.
Speaker 3: Kevin, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 5: We thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: I am pleasure just to meet you and get to
hang out with you a little bit. I'm so glad
to beat you.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed the program a lot. I listened to your
podcasts weekly and honor to be here.
Speaker 3: Cool did Jeff fun I had a great time.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Well, we will see you guys back here next week
when we talk about van Halen's Oh You eight one
two