Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome back to Divulgence. Today we are
Speaker 1: going to be talking about the JFK assassination with a
Speaker 1: JFK researcher, author podcast man. Thanks so much for your time,
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. How are things good?
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: All right, so yeah, welcome to Divulgence. Corey, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for being here. Before we jump into you know,
Speaker 1: JFK and the assassination and all that, can you just
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2: Sure? So, uh.
Speaker 4: Before I got into Kennedy Research, I was a cop
Speaker 4: for about eight and a half years. Before that, i'd
Speaker 4: gone through years and years of forensics training. I went
Speaker 4: to the first college program to offer a crime scene
Speaker 4: processing training program, and from there I went through the
Speaker 4: police academy and I was on the road for about
Speaker 4: eight and a half years. And when I left police work,
Speaker 4: I moved to Colorado, where I got into the weed
Speaker 4: industry for like three years, and then from there I
Speaker 4: kind of became a freelance writer in the cannabis space,
Speaker 4: and then from there, I don't even know how it
Speaker 4: morphed into history. And I've been on I'm doing History
Speaker 4: since twenty fifteen, and I've been on Kennedy since July
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, and that's pretty much what I do full time.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4: I got two books out, A Warning from History and
Speaker 4: Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White, and I have
Speaker 4: this year I'll have three three books out, volume two
Speaker 4: of Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White, and I'm
Speaker 4: putting out a two volume set of the second edition
Speaker 4: of A Warning from History in the same format as
Speaker 4: Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White, which shows all
Speaker 4: the documents and all the photographs and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's what I got going on.
Speaker 1: What what drew you into Kennedy? Like, I know, it's
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's a very lyric topic. There's so
Speaker 1: much to it, so many sub stories within this big
Speaker 1: kind of crop pod of of stories that may that
Speaker 1: make up you know, the the pre the the assassination
Speaker 1: and the post of the assassination. So what was it
Speaker 1: that that drew you into to start writing books and
Speaker 1: doing deep research on it?
Speaker 4: Well, it's the biggest mystery of all time. And I
Speaker 4: had always had interest, you know, going back to when
Speaker 4: I was a kid, like I was like twelve or
Speaker 4: something when the JFK movie came out, maybe I was
Speaker 4: like thirteen, you know, something like that, and like so,
Speaker 4: I I've been fascinated ever since and always wanted to know.
Speaker 4: And I'd always over the years, you know, when I
Speaker 4: wasn't really a researcher, I had read some books and
Speaker 4: I kind of, you know, I kind of I had
Speaker 4: a feel for what I call now the official conspiracy theory,
Speaker 4: because in all these historical events, you have the official story,
Speaker 4: then you have the official conspiracy, a conspiracy theory which
Speaker 4: is put out by the government also, and then you
Speaker 4: have the underlying truth, and then underneath that you have
Speaker 4: hidden truth, right, and so you have a lot of layers.
Speaker 4: And I knew that the layers and stuff we'd been
Speaker 4: given were total bullshit. And I had the time because
Speaker 4: I had started podcasting. I've been doing podcasts publishing for
Speaker 4: like ten years now. I've owned and managed multiple podcasts
Speaker 4: publishing companies, and so I was doing my podcast publishing
Speaker 4: and that doesn't really take a lot of time. When
Speaker 4: you're just managing other podcasts and stuff. So I had
Speaker 4: a lot of time on my hands, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: screw it, let me just start doing this, And so
Speaker 4: I did, and it became all consuming within about a month.
Speaker 4: The first month was like kind of casual, you know,
Speaker 4: I was just starting a sorting out where do I
Speaker 4: find documents and where do I you know. Once I
Speaker 4: actually started to read things, I was hooked and I
Speaker 4: was putting in like twelve hour days. I literally put
Speaker 4: in twelve hour days for like I can't even tell
Speaker 4: you how long years, because it was an obsession it was.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like a job. It was like I had
Speaker 4: to know this. And there were times I remember, like
Speaker 4: one night I fell asleep. I was laying in bed
Speaker 4: and I fell asleep with my laptop like on my
Speaker 4: fucking lap. And then the next morning I woke up
Speaker 4: and it had fallen over and I just got the
Speaker 4: laptop and I went right back to work right now.
Speaker 4: That was like my routine for years. I absorbed so
Speaker 4: many documents the first three years, I mean I probably
Speaker 4: had I had to have read something close to one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand pages of documents by the end of three years,
Speaker 4: and at that point I had a pretty goddamn good
Speaker 4: grasp on what was going on, because I was disgusted
Speaker 4: by the Kennedy research out there in the world, because
Speaker 4: it's just terrible. It all focuses on the CIA killed
Speaker 4: Kennedy over Vietnam, which is like the most elementary and
Speaker 4: easily rejectable, you know, reason for them to want to
Speaker 4: kill them. I mean, I'm sure that you have to think.
Speaker 4: There's multiple factions here involved, and each of them have
Speaker 4: their own reasoning for wanting to kill Kennedy, including the shooters.
Speaker 4: The guys who pulled the triggers have a different motivation
Speaker 4: than the guys who gave the order, right, right, So
Speaker 4: all the guys who pulled the triggers were mobsters and
Speaker 4: mercenary type guys from New Orleans, from that New Orleans
Speaker 4: circuit surrounding David Ferry and whatnot, you know. And so
Speaker 4: the mercenaries hated Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs and
Speaker 4: they thought he was a Communist and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: The CIA was upset over Vietnam and they were upset
Speaker 4: over the Bay of Pigs. Well, the Bay of Piggs
Speaker 4: is a complicated conversation and I don't think the real
Speaker 4: story the Bay of Pigs has ever been told. I
Speaker 4: think it was designed to fail so they could oust Kennedy.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty confident that's what the Beaya Pigs was really about.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But you have all these different factions involved.
Speaker 4: Everyone's got their own reasoning, and like I said, the shooters,
Speaker 4: their reasoning is different from everyone else's. Right, So everyone
Speaker 4: who participated in this down the chain of command had
Speaker 4: their own reasoning. But ultimately, when you get to the
Speaker 4: top of the pyramid, it comes back to the Israelis,
Speaker 4: and it comes back to a long history of Israeli
Speaker 4: involvement with the mafia and the CIA, going back to
Speaker 4: the nineteen forties. So the CIA, I'm sorry, the mafia,
Speaker 4: and the pre Israeli zi as I call them back then,
Speaker 4: they had a relationship prior to the CIA relationship with
Speaker 4: the State of Israel, the.
Speaker 2: State of Israelmanbount in forty eight.
Speaker 4: The pre Israeli Zionists started their relationship with the Los
Speaker 4: Angeles mafia in nineteen forty six. Nineteen forty seven, you
Speaker 4: have a direct relationship between Ben Gurion, who will be
Speaker 4: the first Prime Minister of Israel, and Mayor Lanski, who
Speaker 4: runs the US syndicate, the Mafia syndicate, and so that
Speaker 4: goes back to nineteen forty seven the Sonborn Institute, where
Speaker 4: David Ben Gurion and Rudolph Sonborn decided that since post
Speaker 4: World War Two, the United States government would not give
Speaker 4: the Israelis their World War two surplus, meaning the leftover
Speaker 4: weapons and arms and all that stuff from World War Two,
Speaker 4: because we wouldn't give it to them. They made the
Speaker 4: decision to go ahead and just steal from US. And
Speaker 4: so for a period of somewhere around twenty years, starting
Speaker 4: in around eeteen forty seven, the pre Israeli Zionists, along
Speaker 4: with a number of American Jewish traders, basically broke into
Speaker 4: and stole and pilford all the arms that were stored
Speaker 4: in bunkers across the country left over from World War iiO. Now,
Speaker 4: in the Kennedy story, a lot of people will tell
Speaker 4: you that all those arms and all the burglar bunker,
Speaker 4: the bunker burglaries, those were all related to funding the
Speaker 4: anti Castro Cubans so they could overthrow Castro.
Speaker 2: That's a complete lie. I've heard that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not true, that the anti Castro Cubans are
Speaker 4: a complete red herring. They have nothing to do with this.
Speaker 4: There was only two anti Castro Cubans involved in the
Speaker 4: actual shooting itself, and both of those guys worked for
Speaker 4: Carlos Marcelo, so they were not there on behalf of
Speaker 4: any kind of anti Castro activities. It's the biggest red
Speaker 4: herring in all of Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Okay, so they were there, Sorry, they were there on
Speaker 3: behalf of the.
Speaker 2: Mafia, right exactly.
Speaker 4: So you got a bunch of these guys, So you
Speaker 4: got to think the CIA and the mafia are working
Speaker 4: together for whatever reasons. The excuse of killing Castro I
Speaker 4: don't believe. With the exploding cigars, and we took out
Speaker 4: Iraq in a day, but we couldn't take out Castro
Speaker 4: in fifty years.
Speaker 2: Give me a break. There's something this story stupid. The
Speaker 2: whole thing is dumb.
Speaker 3: Stziah. Yeah, exploding starfis right.
Speaker 4: Right right, So if we wanted to kill him, it
Speaker 4: was like look what we did to Look what I know.
Speaker 4: It's like twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six, what
Speaker 4: we just did, like Venezuela, Like you tell me you
Speaker 4: can't do that in Cuba, Like give me a break.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was it was a red herring.
Speaker 4: We needed the Communist threat ninety miles off our coast
Speaker 4: to keep the Cold War alive and active, which makes
Speaker 4: Fidel Castro a proxy CIA ascid, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean?
Speaker 4: Right, so right, so as it's ridiculous, right, But really
Speaker 4: it ultimately boils down to the Israelis. And when you
Speaker 4: come to understand the Israeli relationship with the US mafia
Speaker 4: and the Israeli relationship with the CIA, it becomes obvious
Speaker 4: that in nineteen sixty three, the CIA, the Mafia, and
Speaker 4: the pre Israeli Zionists they're one organization.
Speaker 2: They're one, They're all Zionists.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: The Mafia, most people think, was run by Italians, and
Speaker 4: the Italians ran like the local syndicate. They ran New York,
Speaker 4: they ran Chicago, clear Eveland, you know, Miami, they had
Speaker 4: they had their cities. The gel that held the whole
Speaker 4: thing together was run by Jews Meyer, Lansky and all
Speaker 4: his guys. You got to think the biggest mobsters in
Speaker 4: the world ever, Mickey Cohen, Buggsy Siegel, Albert Anastasia Lepke,
Speaker 4: buck Alter, Mayor Lansky. These guys are all Jews, right,
Speaker 4: These guys are all and they ran the mafia basically
Speaker 4: all the way back from the early days.
Speaker 2: You know, Mayor Lansky.
Speaker 4: One of his first big things he did was probably
Speaker 4: the assassination of Mayor Anton Surmak in Miami. Sirmak and
Speaker 4: Roosevelt were on like a tour because Roosevelt was like
Speaker 4: running for reelection or something along those lines, and uh,
Speaker 4: Sirmak basically was in He's from Chicago, mayor of Chicago.
Speaker 4: He gets into this like turf war with the remnants
Speaker 4: of the Compone organization, particularly Frank Nitty and so Frank
Speaker 4: Knitty and there was another mobster called Roger Tuohe and
Speaker 4: Roger Touohi was the opposite on the opposite side, and
Speaker 4: he was partnered up with Sirmak. Right, So obviously those
Speaker 4: guys lost the war to the Chicago outfit run by
Speaker 4: Frank Nitti. At the time, they assassinate Sirmak down in Miami.
Speaker 4: There's even video of It's great, the whole thing is great.
Speaker 4: It's well documented. But the history books will tell you
Speaker 4: that that was an attempt on Roosevelt and that Cermak
Speaker 4: was caught in the crossfire.
Speaker 2: That is a blatant lie. It has a blatant lie.
Speaker 4: The full backstory on the assassination of Sermak in thirty
Speaker 4: what was a thirty three?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was thirty.
Speaker 4: Three that pretty much iced mafia control, the outfit control
Speaker 4: of Chicago. But there was most certainly some religious occultic
Speaker 4: shit going on. All these assassinations, all having occultic aspect
Speaker 4: to it, people showing up in elaborate robes or costumes
Speaker 4: or whatnot, who know in advance. And those people were
Speaker 4: there at the Anton Cermak assassination, just like they were
Speaker 4: at Kennedy. And therefore there was definitely some sort of
Speaker 4: Jewish involvement, and it was separate from the Chicago outfits
Speaker 4: actions on Sermac. So, going back to like the thirties,
Speaker 4: the mob was controlled by Jews. That is how it's
Speaker 4: always been, and movies like The Godfather just were intentionally
Speaker 4: created to promote the myth.
Speaker 2: Of Italian control of the mafia.
Speaker 4: Sure, so once you understand all these factors and you
Speaker 4: understand the relationships between these different groups, you realize it's like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, these guys are all working together like
Speaker 4: I never used to understand because it was always said
Speaker 4: that Jack Ruby was like working with like the Israelis.
Speaker 4: He was an FBI informant, he was a police informant,
Speaker 4: and he was a mobster.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, how do you do all that stuff?
Speaker 2: How does all that stuff like, how does that even
Speaker 2: gel at all?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: And there's no cohesion there. It took me years to understand. Yes,
Speaker 4: they're all the same team. Back in sixty three, they
Speaker 4: were all on the same team. The mafia, the CIA,
Speaker 4: the FBI. This is corruption at its finest, and that
Speaker 4: is what really gave birth to the world that we
Speaker 4: live in today. I mean, if you ask me, Kennedy
Speaker 4: was killing November twenty second, sixty three. United States of
Speaker 4: America ended on that day, and we've been controlled by
Speaker 4: these very forces that killed him ever since.
Speaker 3: So I mean they definitely their balls.
Speaker 1: Defafit dropped with Kennedy, right because, like you said, look
Speaker 1: at the world that was kind of born afterwards, and
Speaker 1: I mean his brother got it pretty quick afterwards, and
Speaker 1: you know MLK as well, and then I mean whatever
Speaker 1: other assassinations you want to throw into that pot, right,
Speaker 1: But it was the sixties, the late sixties, after Kennedy
Speaker 1: became pretty bloody and a lot of things happened with
Speaker 1: the outing of Kennedy as I'm sure you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, and it's it's interesting now that I mean,
Speaker 1: since a lot of a lot more people, I feel
Speaker 1: like are becoming more aware of you know, Israeli reach
Speaker 1: and their their ability to kind of control and kind
Speaker 1: of pop up everywhere. And it's just it's wild that
Speaker 1: you know, now you've done all this digging and you know,
Speaker 1: ding ding ding here they're popping up again now and
Speaker 1: then all the way back to the JFK assassination.
Speaker 4: Well, I have to emphasize that when you really come
Speaker 4: to understand, like for me, the study of the assassination
Speaker 4: starts in eighteen ninety six, like that's the birth of
Speaker 4: political Zionism. Theodore Herzel the first Congress in eighteen ninety
Speaker 4: seven in Basil, Switzerland. You know, this is a plot
Speaker 4: to take over the world. This is not a fucking
Speaker 4: plot to have some sort of Jewish homeland. This is
Speaker 4: a plot to take over the world. And I can
Speaker 4: tell you that with certainty because by like nineteen thirty three,
Speaker 4: Zionists had people on the Supreme Court, they had Henry Morgenthau,
Speaker 4: the Secretary of Treasury who wanted to basically murder every
Speaker 4: German after the war. So are these forces they got
Speaker 4: together starting around eighteen ninety five, in theory eighteen ninety six,
Speaker 4: in practice eighteen ninety seven, in their first meeting at
Speaker 4: the Congress.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's the plot to take over the world that has
Speaker 4: been unfolding ever since then. When you get into like
Speaker 4: World War one, War War two, it's obvious they were
Speaker 4: heavily involved in manipulating world events to lead to World
Speaker 4: War One and World War Two. Hitler never wanted war, right.
Speaker 4: Hitler submitted like seven or eight peace proposals. They weren't
Speaker 4: even acknowledged or they were just rejected right off the
Speaker 4: bat because they didn't want peace. They wanted World War two.
Speaker 4: It was a Jewish war against Hitler. This becomes obvious
Speaker 4: when you go back to like nineteen thirty three, when
Speaker 4: Hitler first came into power.
Speaker 2: You got people like.
Speaker 4: Rabbi Wise in New York City who used to put
Speaker 4: on all these Jewish marches down Park Avenue and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. They declared war on Germany because Hitler had
Speaker 4: been out for almost ten years at that point, about
Speaker 4: seven or eight years promoting anti Semitism. Right, So the
Speaker 4: boycott on Germany happened in thirty three. And then what
Speaker 4: Hitler actually was doing during the war was reclaiming lands
Speaker 4: that were stripped from Germany in World War One and
Speaker 4: in previous skirmishes. So when he goes in to take
Speaker 4: like the Rhine Land, and he goes to take Czechoslovakia,
Speaker 4: and he goes back to take the Danzig, this guy,
Speaker 4: all he was doing was reassembling a country that was
Speaker 4: once ripped from him that he wasn't going to allow
Speaker 4: to proceed. And so World War War War War two
Speaker 4: was about the destruction of Germany period to pave the
Speaker 4: way for the creation of the state of Israel. So
Speaker 4: Jews have been manipulating historic events, creating historical events, all
Speaker 4: in the name of Zionism. And once they got their country,
Speaker 4: was that good enough? No, now they have to have
Speaker 4: greater Israel. Do you think greater Israel is the end
Speaker 4: of it?
Speaker 2: No? Right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the Jewish conspiracy that Hitler warned us
Speaker 4: about one hundred years ago. That everyone wants to like, Oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know how this happened, Give me a break.
Speaker 4: We knew, We've known for a hundred years and people
Speaker 4: would like to deny that, but it's true.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, regardless of what you think, like they
Speaker 1: obviously have. Hitler has obviously been built into you know,
Speaker 1: the ultimate icon of evil, right, even though there were
Speaker 1: people that were quite literally just as bad, or some
Speaker 1: people might want to say worse, other people are worse,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's all it always there's just that joke, right,
Speaker 1: It always comes back to Hitler.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So you know, if if you're able to to take
Speaker 1: a second and actually do some thinking, you realize that, huh,
Speaker 1: I wonder why is it always Hitler that right? Like like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, was it because he was picking on the Jews?
Speaker 1: And it's because of the victim? Is is so important?
Speaker 3: Or what? What is it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: Well, well, the reality is when you start to really dig,
Speaker 4: you come to understand that the most of the the
Speaker 4: whole thing hinges on the Holocaust story, and the Holocaust
Speaker 4: story is blatant fiction. So the idea that there were
Speaker 4: gas chambers is so stupid. Like when you actually study
Speaker 4: the buildings that they claim were gas chambers, you claim,
Speaker 4: you look and see how they say the gas chambers
Speaker 4: functioned and all this, you come to realize there never
Speaker 4: were any gas chambers.
Speaker 2: Stupid. And then for the end the six million number.
Speaker 4: There was never more than three point seven million Jews
Speaker 4: in all of occupied Europe at its peak, at its peak,
Speaker 4: and that was before the war even started. By the
Speaker 4: time the war started, Hitler's occupied Germany, probably occupied Europe,
Speaker 4: probably had a million to million and a half Jews,
Speaker 4: maybe tops, you know what I mean, But we already
Speaker 4: we have the numbers. Basically, somewhere around three hundred thousand
Speaker 4: Jews died during this period of thirty nine to forty five,
Speaker 4: but that pales in comparison to like everybody else who suffered.
Speaker 4: Jews made up less than thirty percent of the population
Speaker 4: of the camps. And what were they just singling out
Speaker 4: the Jews in the camps to kill them? No, give
Speaker 4: me a break. The whole story is stupid. These camps
Speaker 4: were operationally most of them. Most of the camps they
Speaker 4: talk about the six camps in Germany where they alleged
Speaker 4: Holocaust happened, four of them were gone before the war
Speaker 4: even ended. Because they were mobile camps. They were moving
Speaker 4: with the front. And so you only really have two camps.
Speaker 4: You have Auschwitz and Madonic and that's it. And when
Speaker 4: you study Mydnic, you realize there were no gas chambers.
Speaker 4: The building they claim was a gas chamber was a
Speaker 4: bath and disinfection center because everyone was disgusting and the
Speaker 4: hygiene was poor, and they had lice, and so everyone
Speaker 4: who got to the camps had their head shaved.
Speaker 2: They had their clothes.
Speaker 4: Taken from them, just like prisoners when you go to jail,
Speaker 4: you don't get to wear your nikes. Okay, they take
Speaker 4: your clothes and they give you sandals and all. And
Speaker 4: this is all used as like, you know, evidence of
Speaker 4: mass murder, which ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You know, here's the problem.
Speaker 4: What happened during World War two in the Holocaust was
Speaker 4: actually a brutal system of slave labor.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 4: That's bad enough. Okay, they didn't need to make up
Speaker 4: all these stories. Implementing a system of brutal slave labor
Speaker 4: is bad enough.
Speaker 2: They didn't have to do it.
Speaker 4: But by making up all these stories, people are obviously
Speaker 4: going to research them over the years. And I find
Speaker 4: it his history across the board. When you're dealing with
Speaker 4: people back then, they did not just like we are
Speaker 4: very short sighted here in twenty twenty six. We don't
Speaker 4: know what kind of technology will be out in twenty
Speaker 4: five to fifty years, right, that could debunk that could
Speaker 4: have debunked the lies of today, but fifty years ago.
Speaker 4: It's funny because I've been running these these these moon
Speaker 4: landing photos through Grock, and every single one is coming
Speaker 4: back as fake. Every one of them is coming back
Speaker 4: as faith, you know, totally manipulated, not possible from the
Speaker 4: moon surface, all this stuff, right, And so they never
Speaker 4: had the foresight to know that we would have something
Speaker 4: like the Internet where I could go and look up
Speaker 4: everyone's life story, like if you like you think James
Speaker 4: Angleton ever knew that I'd be able to go on
Speaker 4: Internet and really find out enough information to write a
Speaker 4: book about the guy. Never, they had no conception of
Speaker 4: what we're doing with this internet technology today, and therefore
Speaker 4: they did a lot of stupid things that were very
Speaker 4: easily debunked in the modern era.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And so the shortsightedness of these conspirators is they're ultimately
Speaker 4: their downfall. And another thing in regards to like documents,
Speaker 4: I want to talk about this for a split second
Speaker 4: because the people I'm an expert on Kennedy I could
Speaker 4: sit here and talk to you about what Oswald had
Speaker 4: for breakfast that morning, right, So like we can sit
Speaker 4: here and talk about all these details, and I can
Speaker 4: tell you all these facts and circumstances and the implications
Speaker 4: of such I promise you the people in charge of
Speaker 4: releasing documents do not know what they're looking at. They
Speaker 4: don't understand, you know, Like if I'm looking to put
Speaker 4: David Ferry in a yellow car on one day just
Speaker 4: to fill in a gap in history, and then I
Speaker 4: come across a document that David Ferry is in a
Speaker 4: yellow car on this one day, that might fill my
Speaker 4: gap and be very significant, But the person who released
Speaker 4: that document doesn't understand the significance of David Ferry being
Speaker 4: in a r right, right. So That's what I'm finding,
Speaker 4: Like when you go back and you look at the
Speaker 4: best documents that we have were released post nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 4: like in the first couple of batches of the Kennedy really,
Speaker 4: because what happened was these fucking these Jews, man, I
Speaker 4: swear they made the Kennedy movie, aren't And Milkschan confessed
Speaker 4: Masad Spy produced the JFK film to put all the
Speaker 4: blame on the CIA to flect from Israel and all
Speaker 4: that stuff, right, And so these people go in there
Speaker 4: and they try to control the narrative and they What
Speaker 4: happened with the JFK film was that there was so
Speaker 4: much uproar over it that they it led to the
Speaker 4: JFK Records Act, which got all the JFK records, all
Speaker 4: of them were supposed to be released.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: We got a huge numbers of documents in those early days,
Speaker 4: and there's so much good information in those early documents
Speaker 4: because those people didn't know what they were releasing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Here's an example. David Ferry owns a light blue nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty one Mercury Comet station wagon. After the assassination, he's
Speaker 4: allegedly driving through like Houston and New Orleans and all
Speaker 4: this stuff, but half the records show that he was
Speaker 4: actually driving a light blue Ford Falcon station Wagon as
Speaker 4: opposed to a light blue Mercury Comet. Well, guess what.
Speaker 4: The light blue Mercury comment and the Ford Falcon station
Speaker 4: Wagon are identical vehicles with different branding, both made by Ford,
Speaker 4: and so when you go through the story, you're only
Speaker 4: supposed to have one light blue station wagon driven by
Speaker 4: David Ferry. But when you really dig through all the details,
Speaker 4: you end up with two, right, and I can place
Speaker 4: where they are in different places and all this stuff,
Speaker 4: and they're trying to say it's one, but it's not right.
Speaker 4: So these little right exactly, So these little things like
Speaker 4: whether the documents say it's a Mercury comment at the
Speaker 4: Ala Motel or whether it says it's a Ford Falcon
Speaker 4: station wagon down at the Driftwood Hotel, which is two
Speaker 4: hotels they stayed at, two different cars. It's clear to
Speaker 4: me that there were two different vehicles involved for two
Speaker 4: different purposes. The people who released those documents, they didn't
Speaker 4: have any idea the implications of releasing the fact that
Speaker 4: two different hotels said there were two different cars. See,
Speaker 4: that's a major piece of the puzzle for me on
Speaker 4: the whole post assassination wrap up. But the people who
Speaker 4: release documents, they don't know what they're doing, right, So
Speaker 4: I have no doubts that we will get I think
Speaker 4: the reason we don't get the good documents is because
Speaker 4: all the ones that are important are destroyed. There's a
Speaker 4: handful of guys who are involved in the assassination in
Speaker 4: Daly Plaza who are connected to David Ferry in New Orleans,
Speaker 4: particularly a guy named Lawrence Howard who's a big, fat
Speaker 4: Mexican guy, Lauren Hall, who's like a mercenary type, and
Speaker 4: William Seymour who's another scenary type. These three guys, there's
Speaker 4: practically no documents on at all, zero and they were
Speaker 4: responsible for laying the foundation for I'd say at least
Speaker 4: half of what we know in the Kennedy assassination story.
Speaker 4: So Oswald was being impersonated all over Dallas, New Orleans
Speaker 4: and places. They were setting him up in places he
Speaker 4: wasn't and William Seymour was one of the guys who
Speaker 4: was doing the impersonations of Oswald.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 4: When you go and you look and you find people
Speaker 4: who are important and significant in the storyline, and then
Speaker 4: you go and look for documents and there's like ten pages,
Speaker 4: you know you're onto something big. Another one of the shooters,
Speaker 4: the shooter from the Daltex building, was a guy named
Speaker 4: Milio Santana. He's one of the anti Castro Cuban guys
Speaker 4: working for Marcello. He gets arrested in Daily Plaza and
Speaker 4: it caused the whole efficient They had to fabricate stuff
Speaker 4: to happen in Daly Plaza to cover for the fact
Speaker 4: that they made an arrest. Okay, these little details when
Speaker 4: you get into like guys like Emelio Santana, some of
Speaker 4: these background characters, there's nothing. There's no documents at all.
Speaker 4: I know for fact, Jim Garrison arrested Emilio Santana, brought
Speaker 4: him into custody, interrogated him for five days straight before.
Speaker 2: Having to let him go.
Speaker 4: We don't have that transcript. Where's that Someone intentionally destroyed
Speaker 4: that document and why? Because they were covering for the
Speaker 4: fact that Emilio Santana was one of the shooters in
Speaker 4: Daily Plaza and they couldn't let the contrary I guarantee
Speaker 4: what happened in the interview was that Santana gave a
Speaker 4: bunch of contradictory information, right which an educated researcher would
Speaker 4: be able to be like, Okay, I see you know
Speaker 4: and put the pieces together based on his contradictions. That
Speaker 4: document doesn't exist. I mean five days, it's got to
Speaker 4: be a five hundred page document, six hundred thousand page document.
Speaker 4: What I wouldn't do to get that document so I
Speaker 4: could give you one hundred examples of things where I
Speaker 4: know there's like very specific documents that should be there
Speaker 4: that are just gone. And all these documents are connected
Speaker 4: to people who appear as like background characters in the story,
Speaker 4: but no, they're really important characters in the story. So uh,
Speaker 4: this kind of brings around to like the theme of
Speaker 4: my book, which are warning from History. I focused on
Speaker 4: the shooters because no one else does. Everyone's like, even
Speaker 4: James Dugenio, who claims to be like the world expert
Speaker 4: on this stuff, He's like, Oh, I don't care about
Speaker 4: the shooters. What you don't care about You don't care
Speaker 4: about the shooters. You know, these people who focus on
Speaker 4: the CIA and Angleton and all this stuff, this is
Speaker 4: what they want you doing, because you're never going to
Speaker 4: find any documents connecting Angleton to giving orders to kill
Speaker 4: Kennedy or any of these stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So, but all these Kennedy researchers are out there like
Speaker 4: digging into like stuff are never going to find, right,
Speaker 4: They're just never going to find stuff on these guys.
Speaker 4: This is the people up in the CIA at this
Speaker 4: level I call the conspiracy layer.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I can tell you who gave the order.
Speaker 4: I can tell you the guys at the top and
Speaker 4: the masade, how it trickled down to the Los Angeles mafia.
Speaker 3: And so give us a little bit of them.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I can definitely do that. But the point
Speaker 4: I'm making here is that when it comes down to
Speaker 4: when it comes down to the flow of how this goes,
Speaker 4: everyone is still focused on the damn CIA And I
Speaker 4: just put all this CIA talk the generics. I call
Speaker 4: it generic CIA talk, and I put it in this
Speaker 4: conspiracy layer category because it's ambiguous, it's vague. There's never
Speaker 4: gonna be any evidence connecting Dallas to the assassination. You know,
Speaker 4: these things that people expect to have on paper, we're
Speaker 4: just not gonna have on paper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. So right, it's exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like the closest thing we're gonna get to, like something
Speaker 4: being on paper documenting planning of the assassination is like,
Speaker 4: this is a guy named Perry Russo who was like
Speaker 4: an insurance salesman who just happened to bump into he
Speaker 4: was he just inadvertently got into Ferry circle through a
Speaker 4: woman named Sandra Moffett who he had been dating. And
Speaker 4: so there's a party. Perry Russo is at this party
Speaker 4: and This is featured in the JFK film. When they
Speaker 4: have the party, they introduce and Oswald goes. Oswald says
Speaker 4: something like, why what the hell is this guy doing here?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's all that's all fabricated. Oswald was never
Speaker 4: at that party.
Speaker 2: But Perry Russo.
Speaker 4: Perry Russo outlines in his testimony to Jim Garrison what
Speaker 4: was said at this party. And here David Ferry is
Speaker 4: talking about triangulation or crossfire, how everyone has to have
Speaker 4: an alibi where they should be, he should be where
Speaker 4: everyone can see them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So when it comes to like documents showing the planning
Speaker 4: of the assassination, this is as good as it's gonna get.
Speaker 4: Third party people who witnessed something, who brought that information forward,
Speaker 4: and the information put forth at the Perry Russo party,
Speaker 4: to me is some of the most important stuff because,
Speaker 4: number one, it eliminates the possibility that the guy was Oswald.
Speaker 4: De man he saw he thought was Oswald was actually
Speaker 4: a guy named Kerry Thornley. And we know this because
Speaker 4: he had met the guy in a couple of days
Speaker 4: leading up to the party, where he had a big,
Speaker 4: bushy beard, and then the day of the party he
Speaker 4: had shaved, and he had whiskers.
Speaker 2: He called it whiskers. It was like stubble. Right.
Speaker 4: Oswald was clean shaven all the time because he was weird.
Speaker 4: He was weird like that. His haircut, he always he
Speaker 4: got his haircut like twice a week. I mean, the
Speaker 4: guy was like clean.
Speaker 2: He was metro.
Speaker 4: He was like a metro sexual by like what today's
Speaker 4: standards were back then. So anytime I'm seeing the descriptions
Speaker 4: of Oswald where he's like got stubble, or he's got
Speaker 4: dirty fingernails or like any of these things, Oswald would
Speaker 4: never do, It's like, Okay, that was Kerry Thornley, right.
Speaker 4: So I was able to put Kerry Thornley in like
Speaker 4: six or seven places impersonating Oswald, not where he necessarily says,
Speaker 4: my name is Oswald. But one example is that he
Speaker 4: goes to rent in October of sixty three. He and
Speaker 4: this person and a pregnant woman and a kid, right,
Speaker 4: Marina and the kid.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: They go to this house owned by a woman named
Speaker 4: McGee in Baton Rouge and they talked to her about
Speaker 4: renting her place. And this person who I at this time,
Speaker 4: he didn't identify himself as Oswald. But he he said
Speaker 4: things like, oh I lived in the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: Oh I.
Speaker 4: You know, he started saying things like, oh I got
Speaker 4: a big gun collection. Is this place secure? I don't
Speaker 4: want anybody stealing my guns? And then he's like talks
Speaker 4: about communism, and then he talks about Kennedy coming to town.
Speaker 4: That was never Oswald. Okay, I'll wed never did any
Speaker 4: of that stuff. That was Kerry Thornley. Kerry Thornley impersonated Oswald,
Speaker 4: and that was just one of like a half a
Speaker 4: dozen incidents where he's there, doesn't necessarily give the name Oswald,
Speaker 4: but gives the Oswald story because the big part of
Speaker 4: what they did was they planted seeds for months leading
Speaker 4: up to the assassination, Guys like William Seymour and Carrie
Speaker 4: Thornley going places like the sports room, rifle range, you know,
Speaker 4: the Carousel Club, a whole bunch of places, and believing
Speaker 4: an impression. So like William Seymour goes to the sports
Speaker 4: room rifle range posing as Oswald. He never gives the
Speaker 4: name Oswald, but based on the descriptions, the things he
Speaker 4: talked about, you know, they're like they what they did
Speaker 4: was after the assassination. They had hundreds of people come
Speaker 4: forward and say, hey, this guy came into my store
Speaker 4: and he was talking about communism, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: it was that guy.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, this is great because when you study what's called
Speaker 4: identity transfer, which is what the CIA's program of doing
Speaker 4: body doubles is actually called, you come to understand that
Speaker 4: they they did this on purpose, Right, they did this
Speaker 4: on purpose. They had people plant these seeds to make
Speaker 4: it seemed like Oswald was this radical communist. And the
Speaker 4: point here is that you don't have to look identical, right,
Speaker 4: And they even say in their own CIA manuals that
Speaker 4: when the two subjects are not together and not scrutinized,
Speaker 4: it makes the probability of pulling off the identity transfer
Speaker 4: even greater, which means, like, let's imagine you're just going
Speaker 4: about your day. Let's say you go into a store
Speaker 4: and the guy at the counter in front of you
Speaker 4: buying something he might kind of look like Oswald. Maybe
Speaker 4: guy would have receding hairline, and but you overhear he's
Speaker 4: talking to the guy behind the counter about communism or
Speaker 4: shooting rifles or Kennedy or something, right.
Speaker 2: And then you just go about your day. And then
Speaker 2: three months later, this guy's on television, he shot Kennedy.
Speaker 2: He's talking about he's got used a rifle and they
Speaker 2: saying he's a communist, and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I think that's the guy I saw at the store
Speaker 2: three months ago. Right, Well, it didn't have to be identical.
Speaker 2: It only had to be close because the general form
Speaker 2: of what they would look like, and that's what they did.
Speaker 2: That's how they pulled this off.
Speaker 4: And I don't even believe for a split second Oswald
Speaker 4: worked at the depository.
Speaker 2: I have a mound of evidence going.
Speaker 4: Yes, every single statement about Oswald working at the book
Speaker 4: depository completely falls apart, starting in the morning with Buell Fraser,
Speaker 4: who gives him a ride to work that day. Buell
Speaker 4: Fraser's statements or bogus. They don't drive, He said. Oswald
Speaker 4: showed up wearing a gray more or less flannel wool
Speaker 4: type coat, not a jacket, which is kind of a
Speaker 4: lighter thing. A coat is a heavy thing, right, There's
Speaker 4: no coat like that that doesn't exist. So what is
Speaker 4: he talking about? His sister Lenny may Randall. She also
Speaker 4: acknowledged that Oswald had on a big, great coat, and
Speaker 4: so where's the coat. Oswald doesn't have that coat, the
Speaker 4: coat doesn't exist. Then you have the story of Oswald
Speaker 4: getting out of his Buel Fraser's truck with like curtain
Speaker 4: rods underneath his arms, right, and then he walks into
Speaker 4: the building with the curtain rods under his arms, and
Speaker 4: that's how he snuck the rifle in that story never happened.
Speaker 2: That was bunk.
Speaker 4: We have testimony from a guy named Ed Shields at
Speaker 4: the House Committee on Assassinations in nineteen seventies. He says
Speaker 4: that he heard he was he worked in the warehouse section,
Speaker 4: which was across Houston Street, but he's standing outside. He
Speaker 4: says that he sees Buell Fraser walking into the building
Speaker 4: and someone called out from the building, hey, Buell, where's
Speaker 4: your rider, And he tells him, hey, I dropped him
Speaker 4: off in front, meaning he dropped them off in front
Speaker 4: of the building. That's not the story about coming in
Speaker 4: from the railroad yards with the package under your arm.
Speaker 4: So we got two things in the morning that are
Speaker 4: totally bunked by Buell Fraser giving information that is absolutely impossible.
Speaker 4: And so Buell Fraser lied, Okay, that was number one.
Speaker 4: Then I realized he never drove anybody to work that day.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was made up.
Speaker 4: Then when you get into the sixth the second floor
Speaker 4: lunch room story with a coke, where like so Oswald
Speaker 4: allegedly kills the president, makes it down the stairs, not
Speaker 4: seen by anybody who's already on the stairs, and he
Speaker 4: gets to the lunch room, he buys a coke, and
Speaker 4: then Baker the cop, and then Roy Truley, who's his boss,
Speaker 4: they come in there and he identifies Oswald as an
Speaker 4: employee and then they continue up the stairs. Okay, that
Speaker 4: story never happened. That is a fiction that they create
Speaker 4: to cover numerous factors. The first factor is that Baker
Speaker 4: made an arrest in Dally Plaza directly in front of
Speaker 4: the book depository, probably around ninety seconds after the assassination.
Speaker 4: He arrested Emilio Santana, the shooter at the Dalteks. The
Speaker 4: shooter of the Dalteks was taken into custody. It's captured
Speaker 4: in Willis ten photo. The Willis ten photo shows a
Speaker 4: man dressed all in black with a rifle being taken
Speaker 4: into custody in front of the book depository. This debunks
Speaker 4: the notion that they entered the building and went and
Speaker 4: talked to Oswald ninety seconds after. Not only that, we
Speaker 4: have the statements of Robert McNeil, who is a reporter
Speaker 4: for NBC. He ends up going into the railroad yards,
Speaker 4: comes so hops over the fence. He ends up going
Speaker 4: into book depository. And yes, willis tent. Oh, this is
Speaker 4: a kind of fuzzy one, but you can see it
Speaker 4: right here, this little square right here is a cop
Speaker 4: and he's got a guy ben over and he's got
Speaker 4: one hand up on his collar and the right hand
Speaker 4: on is probably his right hand. He's taken somebody into custody. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is the exact moment that Oswald is supposed to
Speaker 4: be inside there drinking a coke, but that didn't happen.
Speaker 4: So and we know it didn't happen ninety seconds after
Speaker 4: because Robert McNeil, he will enter the book depository to
Speaker 4: make a phone call. He says, when he enters the
Speaker 4: book depository, there's only three men there. Those three men
Speaker 4: will be William Shelley, Billy Lovelady, and Buell Frasier. And
Speaker 4: his comment is the three men were exceedingly calm for
Speaker 4: the pandemonium going on around them. Oh weird, huh. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So they direct him to a phone. He goes over
Speaker 4: to pick up the phone. He makes his call to
Speaker 4: his New York News desk. Later on he gets the
Speaker 4: time stamp, but when he made the phone call, the
Speaker 4: phone call was at twelve thirty six pm.
Speaker 2: He will leave the building. When he leaves the building,
Speaker 2: he says, there are no one else's in the building.
Speaker 2: There's no cops have entered the building yet, and no
Speaker 2: cops entered before he did.
Speaker 4: So that conflicts with Baker's story about the coke and
Speaker 4: going up to the top of the building because according
Speaker 4: to Baker and truly, they go to the top of
Speaker 4: the building, they come back down, the building is flooded
Speaker 4: with cops. Okay, Robert McNeil makes his phone call at
Speaker 4: twelve thirty six, He leaves there's no cops in there.
Speaker 4: That means the cops they could not have entered the
Speaker 4: building period till twelve thirty seven, which then to me
Speaker 4: makes perfect sense. They go in, they go up the
Speaker 4: stairs in Baker's original report. This is funny because Baker
Speaker 4: does an interview on TV and he explains the coke story.
Speaker 4: We rushed in the building. We went to the second floor.
Speaker 4: A there he is with the coke. Well, that's not
Speaker 4: what his original notes say. That's not what his original
Speaker 4: handwritten report says. And that's not what the origin the
Speaker 4: original final type written report. And we have another document
Speaker 4: from Chief Curry who acknowledges the contradiction here. So in
Speaker 4: all of Baker's original notes, he straight up says they
Speaker 4: stop someone between the third and fourth floor. He never
Speaker 4: mentions the second floor, never mentions a coke.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 4: This report gets approved by the Chief Curry. Chief Curry
Speaker 4: then sends a memo to till I think the news agencies,
Speaker 4: and he explains how Baker stopped this guy on the
Speaker 4: stairs between the third and fourth floor, and that how
Speaker 4: and here is this document is great because this one
Speaker 4: document Curry identifies this man is Oswald, but it's clearly
Speaker 4: not Oswald because Oswald, remember he had to go home
Speaker 4: to get his jacket. The man stopped on the stairs
Speaker 4: by Baker and Trully, who was identified as Oswald by
Speaker 4: Chief Curry, is wearing a light brown jacket. Okay, Oswald
Speaker 4: didn't have a light brown jacket at work. End a story.
Speaker 4: The man he stopped it was not Oswald. It didn't
Speaker 4: happen in the lunch room. It happened on the stair well.
Speaker 4: And why did it happen at twelve thirty seven or
Speaker 4: twelve thirty eight? Well, because William Seymour. He'll flee out
Speaker 4: the back of the building when the assassination happens. He
Speaker 4: goes into Daily Plaza, where he's captured in the Robert
Speaker 4: Hughes film at one minute in thirty six seconds. From there,
Speaker 4: he will re enter the book depository. Why well, because
Speaker 4: he felt comfortable there. How is it this guy who
Speaker 4: is not supposed to work there, captured in the Robert
Speaker 4: Hughes film, is willing to walk back into the belly
Speaker 4: of the Beast, the book depository and then take the
Speaker 4: elevator to the sixth floor, which is exactly what he does.
Speaker 4: He's descending from the sixth floor when he stopped on
Speaker 4: the stairs between the third and fourth floor, after he's
Speaker 4: identified as an employee by truly and remember it's not Oswald,
Speaker 4: it's William Seymour, And I'll show you there, I got it.
Speaker 2: Run here somewhere. He lets him go, and then he
Speaker 2: walks down the stairs, and then what happens next, we
Speaker 2: have witnesses who say that Oswald left the side of
Speaker 2: the Book Depository at exactly twelve forty PM, ran down
Speaker 2: the little grassy slope, and then got into a green
Speaker 2: Nash Rambler station wagon, which then took off toward Oak Cliff.
Speaker 2: That's the official story.
Speaker 4: But at the exact same time, we got Oswald at
Speaker 4: twelve thirty six PM, allegedly leaving the book Depository going
Speaker 4: to catch a bus downtown, but the bus gets stuck
Speaker 4: in traffic, He gets off the bus, he goes and
Speaker 4: he takes the cab, and then the cab takes himTo
Speaker 4: the boarding house.
Speaker 2: Okay, So which is it? Now?
Speaker 4: We got two stories on how Oswald left Daily Plaza.
Speaker 4: We got Oswald leaving in a bus in a cab,
Speaker 4: and then we got Oswald fleeing down the side of
Speaker 4: the book the grassy slope and leaving in the Green
Speaker 4: Nash Rambler. Okay, which is it? It's neither okay, Because
Speaker 4: Oswald didn't work at the Book Depository. Every single incident
Speaker 4: of Oswald being seen, observed, whatever is easily explainable when
Speaker 4: you realize he was not only was he being personated
Speaker 4: at every place that we say he went the sports room,
Speaker 4: rifle range, all these places. Was he being impersonated? He
Speaker 4: was impersonated at the book depository also, And not only that.
Speaker 4: We have a great little contradiction here, and this kind
Speaker 4: of shows to me, this indicates Oswald was a spook,
Speaker 4: or at least some he adds some credence to the fact.
Speaker 2: That Oswald was a spook. So Oswald will.
Speaker 4: Oswald will give a statement to the district attorney Wade.
Speaker 4: He will tell him that yes, he works at the
Speaker 4: book depository, but he was not present on the day
Speaker 4: of the assassination. And then Wade relays this information to
Speaker 4: the reporters, and reporters are asking him questions, and the
Speaker 4: reporter goes, well, he works there, and then Wade hesitates.
Speaker 4: He hesitates before answering all these questions. He said yes,
Speaker 4: and then the reporter goes, but not that day. He goes,
Speaker 4: but not that day. He denied being there that day. Great,
Speaker 4: now we have some substantiation that Oswald was never there
Speaker 4: that day. However, later when Oswald's on TV and he's
Speaker 4: being interviewed by the reporters, they asked him, were you
Speaker 4: in that building? And he goes, naturally, if I worked
Speaker 4: in that building, right, So he says that he was
Speaker 4: in the building, right. So first he tells Wade he
Speaker 4: wasn't in the building. Then on TV he says he
Speaker 4: was in the building. This to me indicated he was
Speaker 4: sending a message to his handlers that he was maintaining
Speaker 4: his cover, because there's no way in hell he was
Speaker 4: there that day. So when you look at the shots
Speaker 4: were fired and allegedly at twelve thirty pm, he walks
Speaker 4: through the front door of the Texas Theater between one
Speaker 4: and one oh seven pm, giving him about thirty seven
Speaker 4: minutes to pull the trigger, ditch the rifle, get downstairs,
Speaker 4: fleet the depository in a third way that we don't
Speaker 4: know because it wasn't on the bus or the you know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't any of these things that we said, So
Speaker 4: we have no idea how he allegedly left there. From there,
Speaker 4: he goes to the boarding house. We have no idea
Speaker 4: how he gets there because he definitely didn't take the cab.
Speaker 4: That was somebody else who took the cab, which will
Speaker 4: not probably not cover to day because I'm still working
Speaker 4: on it. But ultimately he didn't do any of these things.
Speaker 4: He's being set up the whole time, and the timeline
Speaker 4: from when he would have pulled the trigger to well
Speaker 4: and he actually walked in the theater doesn't fit either.
Speaker 4: So the official story says that Oswald went to the
Speaker 4: Texas Theater at one thirty six pm. One thirty six.
Speaker 4: He stops at Hardy Shoe Store where he sees Johnny
Speaker 4: Brewer and a couple other guys in the shoe store.
Speaker 4: Then he walks in. Then the phone calls are made bringing.
Speaker 2: The to the cops.
Speaker 4: The cops show up about one fort The weird thing
Speaker 4: about the cops showing up at one forty is that
Speaker 4: I was a cop for a long time. I understand
Speaker 4: how dispatch works. You can have an emergency, top priority call,
Speaker 4: someone's getting shot right now, the process from which the
Speaker 4: call comes in, it goes to the dispatcher and then
Speaker 4: gets dispatched to the road.
Speaker 2: You're looking at two to.
Speaker 4: Three minutes, even in an emergency situation, two to three
Speaker 4: minutes before it's even getting dispatched at all. But people
Speaker 4: were showing up at the Texas Theater within like a
Speaker 4: minute of it being called in, right So I'm like,
Speaker 4: and it never went out over the radio. So this
Speaker 4: is the weird thing. So Julia Postal at the theater
Speaker 4: allegedly calls the cops, and then the cops show up
Speaker 4: and start their investigation. But they showed up at a
Speaker 4: time before that call was ever dispatched. The call was
Speaker 4: never dispatched. We have the transcripts of the radio and
Speaker 4: they don't the Dallas police, they don't even know of
Speaker 4: anything going on at the Texas Theater until the first
Speaker 4: cops show up at one point.
Speaker 2: So what's going on here?
Speaker 4: The phone call to the cops that bring them there
Speaker 4: is not what brought them there. They were tipped off somehow.
Speaker 4: Aside from that phone call, they knew to show up
Speaker 4: at the Texas Theater period. The whole thing was a
Speaker 4: planned meeting spot. So let me tell you what really
Speaker 4: happened with Oswald. The person that we know is Oswald
Speaker 4: shows up and enters the theater between one and one
Speaker 4: oh seven. He goes down to like near the front row,
Speaker 4: and as a guy sitting there named Jack Davis. Jack
Speaker 4: Davis is like an eighteen year old kid. He's wanting
Speaker 4: to see the movie. Oswald sits directly in front of him,
Speaker 4: and then after about a minute, Oswald gets up and
Speaker 4: then sits directly next to Jack Davis, like, you have
Speaker 4: a nine hundred seat theater and you got twenty five
Speaker 4: people in the theater, and he's sitting directly next to
Speaker 4: this guy he doesn't know, and Jack Davis is like,
Speaker 4: what's up at you?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: And so Oswald will then get up and he'll do
Speaker 4: it again. He sits down next to another person and
Speaker 4: then he gets up again. He does this like two
Speaker 4: or three times in the theater before he ends up
Speaker 4: sitting down next to a pregnant woman. He speaks with
Speaker 4: the pregnant woman for a couple of minutes, then the
Speaker 4: two of them leave to go to the lobby. The
Speaker 4: pregnant woman leaves. She is completely unidentified. I trust me,
Speaker 4: I've looked into who this is. I have some suspects.
Speaker 4: There's only three pregnant women in the story at the time,
Speaker 4: So but she leaves. Oswald will then at one point
Speaker 4: fifteen PM one one five, one fifteen, confirmed by Butch Burrows,
Speaker 4: the candy guy, he sells Oswald popcorn. Okay, The Tippet
Speaker 4: shooting documented is took place at one sixteen.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: The official story says Oswald shot Tippet at one sixteen
Speaker 4: not possible. The actual shooting is the place at one
Speaker 4: oh six, but Oswald was already in the theater by
Speaker 4: that time, so Oswald could have done the tip shitting.
Speaker 4: So he goes out, he buys the popcorn, and then
Speaker 4: he goes back and he sits in the theater. It's
Speaker 4: about one point sixteen one seventeen at this time. He
Speaker 4: will then sit there in the theater, eating popcorn, watching
Speaker 4: a movie for thirty minutes, thirty minutes before they storm
Speaker 4: in and grab him. This guy didn't have a clue
Speaker 4: what was going on. This guy had no idea. He
Speaker 4: probably meant he went. He went there to meet with
Speaker 4: his handler. He met with the pregnant woman, his handler.
Speaker 4: She probably told him everything's cool, just chill out and
Speaker 4: watch the movie, and so he did.
Speaker 2: He stayed to watch the movie.
Speaker 3: Oh movie was it? You know?
Speaker 2: War as Hell?
Speaker 4: War as Hell with Audie Murphy, which is kind of
Speaker 4: funny because Audie Murphy pops up in the story again
Speaker 4: later with a guy named Gary Ween who would take
Speaker 4: Audie Murphy on investigations with him, which it was really
Speaker 4: weird because Gary Ween provided some blockbuster testimony that Audie
Speaker 4: Murphy was with him when he observed a meeting of
Speaker 4: Jack Valenti and Kasper Weinberg and a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: these other guys two weeks before the assassination. And then
Speaker 4: Oswald gets pulled out of the theater with Audie Murphy
Speaker 4: on the screen. So I thought it was a weird,
Speaker 4: really interesting kind of coincidence there.
Speaker 3: That's a weird sink.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But after that, they'll bust in, they'll grab Oswald.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have a clue what's going on. At this
Speaker 4: exact same time, we have witnesses who put Oswald at
Speaker 4: a place called the Tidy Lady Laundry, which is in
Speaker 4: Oak Cliff, a couple of blocks up from the Texas Theater,
Speaker 4: and he basically they say, the man they believe is
Speaker 4: Oswald pulls in a light colored station wagon. It's the
Speaker 4: light green Nash Rambler station wagon that left Dealy Plaza.
Speaker 4: William Seymour pulls up in this thing.
Speaker 2: He goes in.
Speaker 4: He makes a phone call in Mexican, right, that's what
Speaker 4: they called it. They said he made a phone call
Speaker 4: in Mexican.
Speaker 2: So he calls. He speaks Spanish, obviously, he's talking to
Speaker 2: Lawrence Howard on the phone.
Speaker 4: The big Mexican guy, and then he walks south on
Speaker 4: North Clinton Street and that's the last we see of
Speaker 4: him there. Then a book comes out in the nineties
Speaker 4: or two thousands by a guy named Robert Vincent. Robert
Speaker 4: Vincent claims that he and I believe his story one
Speaker 4: hundred percent because it's totally verifiable. He claims that he
Speaker 4: got on a he was in where was he He
Speaker 4: was in, like Colorado Springs, I think, and he got
Speaker 4: on a plane. He was trying to head somewhere and
Speaker 4: they told him, hey, there's no planes available for you,
Speaker 4: but there's that plane over there. You can hop on
Speaker 4: that one. Those guys will take you right. And so
Speaker 4: he gets on this plane. He didn't recognize the markings
Speaker 4: on the tail. It was later determined to be a
Speaker 4: CIA plane. But he's getting on this plane. He's going home,
Speaker 4: and when the president gets killed, the plane turns around
Speaker 4: mid air, flies to Dallas and pulls off in like
Speaker 4: a dirt patch next to an aqueduct. And when they
Speaker 4: do that, two guys hop on. One is a big, large,
Speaker 4: husky Latin looking guy, Lawrence Howard, and the other one,
Speaker 4: he says, looks like Oswald.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So we have continued stories of sightings of Oswald after
Speaker 4: he's already taken into custody. Right, So, to me, it
Speaker 4: was clear that this sighting by Robert Vincent was Lawrence
Speaker 4: Howard and William Seymour, the two guys involved heavily in
Speaker 4: the setup of Oswald. Lawrence Howard one of the shooters
Speaker 4: on the sixth floor. They're fleeing Dallas in a CIA
Speaker 4: plane and they take a plane to New Mexico, which
Speaker 4: is very significant because New Mexico is once stayed over
Speaker 4: from Phoenix, which is where William Seymour and these guys
Speaker 4: were living. So that whole story to me, like when
Speaker 4: you really truly come to get a grip on the
Speaker 4: vast majority of like what's going on with the documents,
Speaker 4: none of the story makes any sense, as holes in
Speaker 4: it everywhere, and it becomes clear that they just made
Speaker 4: stuff up.
Speaker 2: They lied it was.
Speaker 4: It is the grandest conspiracy of them all, and I
Speaker 4: have no doubt there were probably hundreds of people in
Speaker 4: the know before it happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you just I mean, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't pull something like that off and keep it
Speaker 1: so under wraps for so long without the proper planning
Speaker 1: and having the proper people in place at the proper
Speaker 1: places everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yep. So the bulk of the shooters came from New Orleans.
Speaker 4: They were tied up with this mercenary group that were
Speaker 4: connected to David Ferry and Clay Shaw. And it's the
Speaker 4: obvious guys who we all know were shooters down who
Speaker 4: were mercenaries down in New Orleans. But then you can
Speaker 4: see it it was bigger than that, because then you
Speaker 4: have guys from the Cleveland Mob who were there, the
Speaker 4: Three Tramps, mostly from Cleveland. You got guys from the
Speaker 4: La Mob who were heavily involved in the setup of
Speaker 4: this thing. A guy named Jack Lawrence was a low
Speaker 4: level mob guy who was confirmed to have been in
Speaker 4: Dey Plaza that day. So it wasn't just New Orleans.
Speaker 4: And when you start seeing different factions of the US Mafia,
Speaker 4: you can tell the only person to control those is
Speaker 4: Mayor Lansky, right, So that's where you definitely say that
Speaker 4: you have mob involvement because there was some mob guys
Speaker 4: brought in to supplement these this New Orleans crew. So
Speaker 4: that's when you were and then when you start to
Speaker 4: realize that the mafia was working with the CIA and
Speaker 4: the Zionists, and you're like, dude, I get it now.
Speaker 4: This is one organization like all these law enforcement like
Speaker 4: our government, and we ended on November twenty second, sixty three.
Speaker 4: We're inn Israeli colony. They implanted their Jewish puppet lynd
Speaker 4: And Johnson, who basically handed them the keys of the kingdom.
Speaker 2: US has liberty.
Speaker 4: All that stuff happened, all policies geered toward Israel, APAC
Speaker 4: allowed to flourish. I mean, I was born without a country.
Speaker 4: I was born in seventy six. He died in sixty three.
Speaker 4: Our country was dead long before I ever got here.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I feel about the whole situation.
Speaker 4: And all of it has to do like it's never
Speaker 4: Kennedy has never been more relevant than it is today
Speaker 4: because of what's going on in Israel and Palestine and
Speaker 4: the Middle East and this bombing of Iran. This is
Speaker 4: the fruits of the labor of the Zionists who took
Speaker 4: over our country.
Speaker 1: When they kill Kennedy, right, they want to wipe Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they want the greater Israel.
Speaker 3: They want to start wiping out some of these countries, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all about but It's not about greater Israel.
Speaker 4: It's about the world, right, the Georgia Guidestone shit, the
Speaker 4: five hundred million population they want to rule over. You know,
Speaker 4: they've even said it in their own terms. The Jews
Speaker 4: want to have a world of their own, to rule
Speaker 4: over a population of mongrels who will serve them terrible.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: Why don't we talk a little bit about your your
Speaker 1: second book, your second set of books, Yeah, Oswald and
Speaker 1: Black and White.
Speaker 3: So you were.
Speaker 1: Telling me you have volume one out, you're working on
Speaker 1: volume two, which will be coming out this year, which
Speaker 1: is very exciting.
Speaker 3: So let's jump into that a little bit. Like you've I.
Speaker 1: Think you were saying, obviously there's more than one Oswald,
Speaker 1: I mean officially, unofficially how many were there kind of
Speaker 1: two main Oswalds or were there just a bunch of
Speaker 1: Oswald's or what?
Speaker 4: Well, let me explain the circumstances leading to what I
Speaker 4: believe is the origin of this whole thing, and then
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 2: Kind of judge for yourself a little. So.
Speaker 4: Oswald's born in October thirty nine, his father died two
Speaker 4: months before he's born, and it's kind of a weird,
Speaker 4: kind of gray area on where Lee and his mother
Speaker 4: were living between his birth and like early nineteen forty one.
Speaker 4: It's not really it's not clear. I mean, there's no
Speaker 4: real The addresses we have on file are not accurate.
Speaker 4: They don't they don't jive. Starting around this nineteen forty
Speaker 4: one time period stretching through April of forty four, what
Speaker 4: we have is a series of impossible circumstances and ultimately
Speaker 4: it revolves around Marguerite Oswald and her involvement with the
Speaker 4: US Navy.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 4: World War two is World War two is happening in Europe.
Speaker 4: We're not in the war yet. Starting around nineteen forty one,
Speaker 4: the US Navy starts to formulate a plan because all
Speaker 4: the men are going to go to war. They know this,
Speaker 4: so they have to replace thousands, tens of thousands of
Speaker 4: people to do. All the people who'd be working here
Speaker 4: in the military in America are now going to go overseas.
Speaker 4: So they got to replace those people.
Speaker 2: And what did they do. They created what's called the
Speaker 2: Navy Waves Program.
Speaker 4: It's basically the Women in the Navy program, and it
Speaker 4: created civilian positions for women when all the men were
Speaker 4: to be overseas. Right, So I've concluded beyond all doubt
Speaker 4: that Marguerite Oswald was part of this Waves program. You
Speaker 4: start to get lies popping up from Lillian Morrett. So
Speaker 4: Marguerite Oswald has a sister named Lillian Morett. Lilian Moret's
Speaker 4: Warren Commission testimony is so chocked full of lies, holes,
Speaker 4: contradictions it becomes brutally obvious she's covering something up. She's
Speaker 4: asked where in this period of nineteen forty one Oswald
Speaker 4: is putt in an orphanage. He's put in the Bethlehem
Speaker 4: orphanage with his two other brothers. Okay, So, Marguerite Oswald
Speaker 4: is a soociopath. She never loved her kids. I don't
Speaker 4: care what she said. She never loved her kids. She
Speaker 4: got rid of them every opportunity she could. I might
Speaker 4: be wrong, and she might have gotten rid of her
Speaker 4: kids on purpose because she was doing stuff in the Navy,
Speaker 4: which is a possibility. If that's not the case, then
Speaker 4: she's a.
Speaker 2: Horrible, horrible human being.
Speaker 4: So between forty one and forty four, the address is
Speaker 4: Marguerite Oswald gives, do not check out. She gives he
Speaker 4: had just twenty one thirty six Broadway and two twenty
Speaker 4: seven Atlantic Avenue. I grew up in Brooklyn. The split
Speaker 4: second I heard those street names, I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 4: New York. It's obvious. The FBI went and investigated, because
Speaker 4: there's actually Atlantic Avenue and a Broadway in New Orleans
Speaker 4: and in Algier's Louisiana. The FBI went and interviewed all
Speaker 4: the peoples around. She never lived at these addresses. Okay,
Speaker 4: so she gave bad addresses. Why would she give bad addresses?
Speaker 4: And if she joined the Navy Waves program, why would
Speaker 4: she try to cover that up? What's those top secret
Speaker 4: about her joining a program the whole world knows about, right,
Speaker 4: Why would that be something to hide?
Speaker 2: But they did. They hit it.
Speaker 4: Twenty one thirty six Broadway and two twenty seven Atlantic
Speaker 4: Avenue turn out to be within just a couple miles
Speaker 4: of the Waves training facility in the Bronx, up and
Speaker 4: up in.
Speaker 2: The facility was in the Bronx.
Speaker 4: The addresses in Manhattan and Staten Island were only within
Speaker 4: like fifteen miles of the of the Waves training facility.
Speaker 2: To me, it was brutally obvious.
Speaker 4: The lies and the obfuscation was the cover for the
Speaker 4: fact that she went into the Navy Waves program. After that,
Speaker 4: she Will Oswald during this time is two three years old.
Speaker 4: He's bouncing back and forth between living at Lillian Mourett's
Speaker 4: house and living at the Bethlehem Orphanage. So we have
Speaker 4: this major gray area between forty one and forty four
Speaker 4: that it's clear she was part of the Waves program.
Speaker 4: She even acknowledges it in a book. The woman we
Speaker 4: call Marguerite Oswald came out with a book in nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty six that she wrote with Gene Stafford, and it's
Speaker 4: called A Mother in History. And in that book she
Speaker 4: acknowledged that in nineteen forty two she was a switchboard
Speaker 4: operator at the naval station at the Naval base in Algiers.
Speaker 4: This is the one and only reference you'll ever see
Speaker 4: to her working at the navy base, and she admitted
Speaker 4: it herself in her own book. The woman who wrote
Speaker 4: that book was not the real Marguerite Oswald.
Speaker 2: But that's a whole other story.
Speaker 3: WHOA.
Speaker 4: Yes, So that woman right there, that's that's that woman
Speaker 4: right there. That is the woman we're told is Marguerite Oswald.
Speaker 4: That woman is not Marguerite Oswald. Oh yeah, that woman
Speaker 4: right there. I have tentatively identified as Amanth Voytier, who
Speaker 4: was Marguerite Oswald's first cousin.
Speaker 2: This is what I talk.
Speaker 4: About in Lee Harvey Oswald in black and white. This
Speaker 4: was an identity transfer operation. You see how she's wearing
Speaker 4: glasses and she has like a mole under her eye.
Speaker 4: I have, like, I've got like a hundred pictures of
Speaker 4: Marguerite Oswald, the real Marguerite Oswald, and there's no mole
Speaker 4: under her eyes. She never wore glasses. And this woman's
Speaker 4: teeth are mangled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 4: Bring up some of these Margarite cook on images this
Speaker 4: click on images up top. You've got a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of them. Let me see if I can pull out one.
Speaker 4: It's definitely not this. See, this is all the same one,
Speaker 4: and she's got glasses on in every picture. She has
Speaker 4: like a mole under her eye. Scroll down, I'll see
Speaker 4: if we can't find if any of the other contradicting ones.
Speaker 2: Keep scrolling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so none of these pictures here are of the
Speaker 4: real Marguerite Oswald. Yeah, this is the This is Margarite
Speaker 4: Osweld's first cousin. Her name is Ammon the Voytier. This
Speaker 4: is another thing they've covered up because this is the
Speaker 4: woman who everyone thinks is Marguerite Oswald. Do you see
Speaker 4: how mangled her teeth or look at that picture on
Speaker 4: the in ther her teeth are mangled.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me see.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to dig up a picture here real
Speaker 4: quick of Margarite, the real Marguerite Oswald, and it'll show
Speaker 4: you that that is totally a fake picture.
Speaker 2: Let me see desktop.
Speaker 1: So the like the high high majority, if not most
Speaker 1: of these photos we see online are not the real.
Speaker 2: Right right? Yes?
Speaker 4: So yeah, that that woman. If I as soon as
Speaker 4: I find a picture, let me Google search for it,
Speaker 4: because when you actually see the real Marguerite Oswald, you're
Speaker 4: gonna be like, oh, that's clearly not the same woman.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. HER's okay. And then there's yes, Mama Oswald.
Speaker 4: Okay, so here, I'm gonna screenshare this picture real quick.
Speaker 5: M hmm, okay, all right, it's sharing. I think it's
Speaker 5: you gotta click on a button or something.
Speaker 2: There we go. That woman right there, that's the real
Speaker 2: Marguerite Oswald. Okay.
Speaker 4: That woman is about five foot seven. Her husband there,
Speaker 4: that's Edwin Echdahl. Uh, he's about six foot one or
Speaker 4: six foot two. So she's a very tall, very thin woman,
Speaker 4: and you can't really see it in this picture, but
Speaker 4: her teeth are like perfect, yeah, perfect, It's like boop perfect.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's the best looking teeth I've ever seen. Okay,
Speaker 4: so then when you go back to then when you
Speaker 4: go back to one of those other pictures, it's it's
Speaker 4: not the same woman. And so it took me a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 3: So there I've found the yeah one. So yeah, her
Speaker 3: teeth look pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the teeth are perfect. I got four I have
Speaker 4: in my new book. I have four pictures of her teeth.
Speaker 4: They're perfect.
Speaker 2: This is not yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: This is her first cousin. This is amminth Voyta. A
Speaker 4: guy named Robert Duran came out with a book a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago that kind of came up with
Speaker 4: this hypothesis, and I kind of looked into his reasoning
Speaker 4: for his hypothesis and I kind of debunked most of it,
Speaker 4: but it got me thinking and researching ammanth Voytia. And
Speaker 4: so the biggest evidence in the world is no, there's
Speaker 4: no life history on ammonth Voyta. Her life comes to
Speaker 4: an end in nineteen fifty six and nineteen fifty six
Speaker 4: is a very significant year in Oswald's life because with
Speaker 4: this duel Oswald scheme, the real Oswald and the real Marguerite.
Speaker 4: When you look at the address history of Oswald, the
Speaker 4: first like seven ory addresses are all the real Oswald. Okay,
Speaker 4: the real Lee Harvey Oswald and the real Marguerite is
Speaker 4: the address record is accurate. That changes in nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 4: In nineteen fifty six, the official address history switches from
Speaker 4: the real Marguerite Oswald and the real Lee to this
Speaker 4: woman here, and from nineteen fifty six onward, this woman
Speaker 4: is Marguerite Oswald, the real Marguerite Oswald, and another is
Speaker 4: some more data to back it up.
Speaker 2: There are people who knew.
Speaker 4: Marguerite going back to the thirties who testify before the
Speaker 4: Warren Commission and gave testimony about her. They also testified
Speaker 4: that this woman, her name is Myrtle Evans, she actually
Speaker 4: bumped into Marguerite working at Lerner's department store in nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty one in New Orleans. That's not the official story.
Speaker 4: The official story has Marguerite Oswald being a nurse and
Speaker 4: working in Fort Worth and cities around text. This not
Speaker 4: being at Learner's department store in nineteen sixty one. Okay,
Speaker 4: so yeah, there you go. There's some that's probably from
Speaker 4: the two marquess probably from John Armstrong's work.
Speaker 1: Oh Harveing Lee, Yeah yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, the teeth are totally mangled compared
Speaker 4: to the real Marguerite.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the that's one of the things I'm gonna I
Speaker 4: don't really have it on my agenda, but at some
Speaker 4: point in time I have to dig into Ammath Voittier.
Speaker 4: I need to go to New Orleans really and I
Speaker 4: need to go and pull actual physical documents on this woman.
Speaker 4: Because Ammath Boittier her address history. She only has one
Speaker 4: address listed her entire life until nineteen fifty six, and
Speaker 4: then her and then she disappears off the world in
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty six. The same year at the address swap
Speaker 4: with Oswald happens at the Collingwood address in Dallas. Okay,
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to explain what took me years to
Speaker 4: understand in like five minutes. So it's kind of difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a great Okay, So I have to point something
Speaker 4: out here. Okay, so this is wrong. This is something
Speaker 4: that John got wrong.
Speaker 2: See that picture.
Speaker 3: This looks a little offs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the picture on the right. Okay, the picture on
Speaker 2: the right here.
Speaker 4: John Armstrong believed that that was a photo of the
Speaker 4: impostor Marguerite. He got that wrong. Okay, we kind of
Speaker 4: he kind of got it right. I'll tell you why.
Speaker 4: This is where it gets complicated. Between fifty five and
Speaker 4: fifty eight, I can put Oswald in three places at once,
Speaker 4: not two three, Okay, I mean fifty five and fifty eight.
Speaker 4: I can put Oswald in three different places at once,
Speaker 4: one in New Orleans, one in Philippines, and one in Natsugi.
Speaker 4: And so basically scroll up again. That woman on the
Speaker 4: right is one hundred percent unquestionably the real Marguerite's sister.
Speaker 4: This is Lilian Morrette on the right, Lillian Morette aside
Speaker 4: from Amminoittier. For some reason, she impersonated her sister between
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty five and nineteen fifty eight in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: I don't know why there was a guy named Palmer McBride.
Speaker 4: Now at a time in late fifty seven, early fifty eight,
Speaker 4: when Oswald is one hundred percent provably overseas in the military,
Speaker 4: we have a guy come forward named Palmer McBride, who
Speaker 4: worked for a company named Fister or Dental laboratory. He
Speaker 4: says he claims he worked with Lee Harvey Oswald between
Speaker 4: late fifty seven and April or March or April of
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty eight, and he gave John Armstrong such specific
Speaker 4: details about his relationship with Lee, it's undeniable. He talks
Speaker 4: about going to the opera with Lee. And then when
Speaker 4: John Armstrong cracked down the dates of when that opera
Speaker 4: was in town, it was only in town for two
Speaker 4: days during this time. It was like January of fifty eight, right,
Speaker 4: So Palmer McBride gave all this testimony that was all
Speaker 4: verifiable showing that Oswald was actually in New Orleans during
Speaker 4: this time.
Speaker 2: Simultaneously, I can prove Oswald was overseas.
Speaker 4: However, the woman who met Palmer McBride, who claimed to
Speaker 4: be Marguerite Oswald is this woman here on the right.
Speaker 4: And that picture of the woman on the right is
Speaker 4: clearly a picture of Lillian Morett. I have another picture
Speaker 4: of Lilian Morrett. It's clearly her. So why would Lillian
Speaker 4: Morrett be impersonating her sister between fifty five and fifty eight?
Speaker 4: And I say, between fifty five and fifty eight, because
Speaker 4: fifty five is when they allegedly worked for the Dolly
Speaker 4: Shoe Company. But when you study the Dolly Shoe Company,
Speaker 4: it turns out there's no way in hell it was.
Speaker 4: The descriptions of Oswald and his mother don't even match
Speaker 4: any of this stuff. To me, it was pretty clear.
Speaker 4: The description of the Marguerite Oswald working at Dolly Shoe
Speaker 4: is this woman on the right, who was Lilian Morett, right,
Speaker 4: but that picture on the left, that's the real Marguerite
Speaker 4: that was taken in nineteen fifty seven. Her teeth are great,
Speaker 4: good the moment. Yeah, yeah, what does he have on
Speaker 4: this page?
Speaker 2: Scroll down a little bit more? Yeah, that was taking
Speaker 2: it all. Yeah, this is great. This is the great comparison.
Speaker 4: Look at those teeth nineteen thirty seven, forty five, forty two,
Speaker 4: those are perfect teeth.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 4: Look at that picture here, that is that's gorgeous. I
Speaker 4: wish I had teeth like that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's amazing. And then you go when you look at
Speaker 4: Marguerite's teeth now and they're like.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So so what ultimately, what does this come down to?
Speaker 4: This comes down to the fact that Oswald and his
Speaker 4: mother were both part of naval intelligence. Going back to
Speaker 4: nineteen forty one. We have another diversion here forty one.
Speaker 4: We have on Oswald's application to the Marines. Oswald lived
Speaker 4: in New Orleans until April of forty four, that's a fact.
Speaker 4: But when he applied to the Marines, he put that
Speaker 4: he lived in Fort Worth from nineteen forty one onward,
Speaker 4: the same time period as this weird swaperus stuff going on.
Speaker 4: So what does this mean? Who is this other Oswald?
Speaker 4: So John Armstrong had kind of theorized that this other
Speaker 4: Oswald was like probably European Eastern Europeans, spoke fluent Russian
Speaker 4: as a child, plucked from a concentration camp, brought to America,
Speaker 4: raised as Oswald, and then defected back to the Soviet
Speaker 4: Union where he spoke fluent Russian. Okay, that is total bullshit.
Speaker 4: I have completely debunked that story. That was when John
Speaker 4: Armstrong died. That was a theory he was under and
Speaker 4: it's wrong. The reality is, we have numerous pieces of
Speaker 4: data which would indicate that these two boys are brothers.
Speaker 4: Actually I have a picture, just so the audience doesn't
Speaker 4: think I'm completely crazy. I'll bring up this one photograph
Speaker 4: just to make it brutally obvious.
Speaker 2: What was going on?
Speaker 3: When did when did John Armstrong die?
Speaker 4: You know, early two thousands, I think, I think like
Speaker 4: two thousand, two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: Four or five, something like that.
Speaker 4: So his work on Harvey and Lee is over thirty
Speaker 4: years old. He did it in the nineties. It's starting
Speaker 4: to have a recurrence. It's starting to come back. People
Speaker 4: are interested because it's just obvious. It's just so obvious
Speaker 4: that there was more shenanigans going on than they want
Speaker 4: to tell us.
Speaker 2: So here, I'll happy, here we go.
Speaker 3: I got it somewhere the book and the CD and everything.
Speaker 2: Is all right. I got here. Take a look at
Speaker 2: this picture best obvious as I guess.
Speaker 4: The top two pictures are the last two pictures ever
Speaker 4: taken of the real Lee Oswald. He was about five
Speaker 4: foot eleven, He probably weigh one hundred and seventy five
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty pounds, a distinctly different hairline from the
Speaker 4: guy that we know as Oswald. So Armstrong called these
Speaker 4: guys Lee and Harvey, and a lot of people think
Speaker 4: this is kind of They think it's kind of tongue
Speaker 4: in cheek, but it's not. When you go back through
Speaker 4: the record, and I document this in my book, Oswald
Speaker 4: all through his life introduced himself as Harvey. I even
Speaker 4: have documents showing that the Oswald we know, the guy
Speaker 4: who got arrested on November twenty second, ninety sixty three,
Speaker 4: he was introducing himself to Harvey as late as like
Speaker 4: October of sixty two, right when he met with his
Speaker 4: brother John Pick on Thanksgiving of nineteen sixty two. John
Speaker 4: Pick hadn't seen his real brother in over a decade.
Speaker 4: They tried to substitute the false Oswald for the real
Speaker 4: Oswald at this meeting with his own brother and his
Speaker 4: own brother, John Pick, he didn't buy it.
Speaker 2: He knew it was Oswald, he told John Armstrong.
Speaker 4: So John Armstrong questioned John Pick, and he's like, hey man,
Speaker 4: you told the Warren Commission that the guy who showed
Speaker 4: up for Thanksgiving dinner wasn't your brother. And then all
Speaker 4: John Pick would say to him was I stand by
Speaker 4: my statements. He wouldn't elaborate, He just stood by his statements. So,
Speaker 4: because there were two Oswald's and they were brothers, if
Speaker 4: you asked me, they were brothers. And how do I
Speaker 4: know they were brothers because in nineteen fifty three Oswald
Speaker 4: Harvey Oswald at the bottom here, he will be picked
Speaker 4: up for truancy in New York City. He will end
Speaker 4: up going to see a guy named Milton Currian. Milton
Speaker 4: Currian as a psychologist. Milton Curian says that Oswald made
Speaker 4: the following statement. He said, Oswald told him that when
Speaker 4: they moved around a lot. He said, when they would
Speaker 4: get to a new community, he had a lot of
Speaker 4: trouble attending school, and that knowing that he would ditch
Speaker 4: school often, his brother would go to school in his stead.
Speaker 4: That's what he told Milton curi And his brother would
Speaker 4: go to school in his stead, making it even more
Speaker 4: difficult for him to attend. Now this is mind boggling
Speaker 4: because his brother that we know about is Robert Oswald,
Speaker 4: who is six years older than him. And there's zero
Speaker 4: possibility a teenager who's sixteen or seventeen is going to
Speaker 4: be able to show up at school in place of
Speaker 4: an eleven year old. Never going to happen, never, So
Speaker 4: what brother is he talking about? What brother is he
Speaker 4: talking about? Well, he's obviously talking about the brother that
Speaker 4: we don't know about now. If he's his brother, what
Speaker 4: is the possibilities There's only two scenarios that could exist
Speaker 4: if they're brothers. One they're twins, and I'm kind of
Speaker 4: moving away from that. The more I the more I
Speaker 4: study this, the more I move away from that. As
Speaker 4: opposed to being twins, you come to understand Marguerite Oswald
Speaker 4: was kind of a hoe. Straight up, she was a hoe.
Speaker 3: She got around show.
Speaker 4: Faux show ho she cheated on. We have documentation she
Speaker 4: cheated on all of her husbands. Okay, so, and this
Speaker 4: guy's name is obviously the name Harvey. Where does the
Speaker 4: name Harvey come from? The name Harvey comes from. Robert
Speaker 4: Oswald's brother, Robert Oswald Senior had a brother named Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 4: Harvey Oswald is the one who signed the certificate of
Speaker 4: live birth.
Speaker 2: For Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 4: Because Lee Harvey Oswald doesn't have a birth certificate. He
Speaker 4: was born and the next thing we know is five
Speaker 4: days later we have two documents that are certificates of
Speaker 4: live birth, kind of like Obama had right no evidence
Speaker 4: of the original birth, but they swore Naff David that
Speaker 4: he was born in a date and time. So Harvey Oswald,
Speaker 4: the brother of Robert Oswald, was the man who signed
Speaker 4: off on Lee Harvey Oswald's certificate of live birth. So
Speaker 4: if they're not twins, the only other possibility is that
Speaker 4: this other Oswald is the actual son of Harvey Oswald
Speaker 4: and Marguerite, meaning she banged Robert's brother and had another kid,
Speaker 4: probably ten months or less than a year later.
Speaker 2: After Oswald was born. That's what I'm heavily leaning towards.
Speaker 4: That would explain why they look so much alike, but
Speaker 4: also explain the difference in height, because the guy who
Speaker 4: got arrested on November twenty second, he's only five foot nine.
Speaker 4: I have a stack of documents showing that when Oswald
Speaker 4: left the Marines he was five foot eleven. Right, so,
Speaker 4: and I don't think the Marines got it wrong. All right,
Speaker 4: what do we got here?
Speaker 3: I got a comment from the audience.
Speaker 2: At what school?
Speaker 4: Or he only went to two high schools? And there's
Speaker 4: some major contradiction in the alleged schools he went to.
Speaker 4: So we have contradiction over Oswald attending Warren Easton High
Speaker 4: School and he attended Arlington Heights. According to the official story,
Speaker 4: he attended each one for less than a month, but
Speaker 4: that's not true. The official story says that Oswald attended
Speaker 4: Warren Easton in fall of nineteen fifty five, and that
Speaker 4: he attended only for about three weeks and then he
Speaker 4: dropped out, and then he just worked at the docks
Speaker 4: until the next year, and then in what was October
Speaker 4: of nineteen fifty six, he then joins the Marines. Well,
Speaker 4: we have major contradictions in this story. We can say
Speaker 4: with certainty Oswald went to Arlington Heights where he's photographed
Speaker 4: in the yearbook, and that was taken in the early
Speaker 4: early weeks of the year in the nineteen fifty six
Speaker 4: school year, probably late September, early October, because by October
Speaker 4: twenty fourth he's in the Marines.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: The problem is that when Warren Easton High School sent
Speaker 4: their transcript from Oswald to Arlington Heights, it said that
Speaker 4: he had been there for over a year. It said
Speaker 4: he attended for over a year into the fifty six
Speaker 4: school year. Oswald also claimed this when he spoke on
Speaker 4: the Latin American Report radio show on WDS that he
Speaker 4: attended Warren Easton High School for over a year.
Speaker 2: But that's not true.
Speaker 4: It's not possible that timing of him being over a
Speaker 4: year would contradict with him being at Arlington Heights High School.
Speaker 4: And so we have this like three week overlap where
Speaker 4: Oswald is literally attending two schools at once. He's tending
Speaker 4: Arlington Heights. Yep, that's all. That's that is clearly Harvey Oswald,
Speaker 4: not Oswald the man who was arrested on November twenty second,
Speaker 4: the man arrested on August ninth and New Orleans when
Speaker 4: he was handing out the flyers.
Speaker 2: That's that guy.
Speaker 4: The profile photo is a match identically, but that does
Speaker 4: not match the other one. That does not match the
Speaker 4: other photographs of the real Oswalt. So and we know
Speaker 4: for a fact that Robert Oswald, Lee's brother is in
Speaker 4: on this thing. Because we have Robert Oswald associating with
Speaker 4: both of these Oswald's in their childhood growing up starting
Speaker 4: around nineteen fifty three. We can prove that he was
Speaker 4: interacting with both sets of Oswald's starting in fifty three. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: this this I would love to get a copy of
Speaker 4: that book. It pops up on eBay periodically for about
Speaker 4: a thousand bucks. Oh yeah, yeah, it's a good one
Speaker 4: to happen. I have a bunch of I got a
Speaker 4: bunch of yearbooks for Jack Valenti, who was one of
Speaker 4: the other shooters in Daily Plaza. I got his yearbooks
Speaker 4: from like the University of Texas and Harvard and stuff.
Speaker 4: So that stuff costs me a chunk of money. Yearbooks,
Speaker 4: I think are fascinating. There's a David Ferry yearbook on
Speaker 4: eBay right now for about two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 3: Oh really.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the story of the two Oswald is interesting because
Speaker 4: the real because this travel, this goes all the way
Speaker 4: through the Marines. So my book Lee Harvey Oswald and
Speaker 4: Black and White points out all the contradictions in the timeline,
Speaker 4: all the documents to prove that this contradictions in the timeline.
Speaker 4: Then my second volume is all about the Marines and
Speaker 4: him being in the Marines because all this contradiction in
Speaker 4: Oswald being in multiple places at once, it continues all
Speaker 4: throughout the Marines, like literally continues all throughout the Marines.
Speaker 2: So what does this tell you?
Speaker 4: It tells you that this dual identity is identity transfer
Speaker 4: operation that started with Oswald probably going back to nineteen
Speaker 4: forty one.
Speaker 2: The Marines Marine G.
Speaker 4: Two a defense intelligence agency, all these weird naval intelligence
Speaker 4: they were all aware of this dual Oswald scheme as
Speaker 4: he was going through the Marines, because they went to
Speaker 4: great lengths to try to keep them apart.
Speaker 2: Strange.
Speaker 4: I know it sounds crazy, and I sound crazy as
Speaker 4: I'm saying this story, but it's true. It's genuinely true.
Speaker 4: This is what identity transfer is. This is what the
Speaker 4: intelligence community does. They create spies right out in the open,
Speaker 4: and we just don't know what's going on. Oswald's marine
Speaker 4: record is wild, is really wild. Like I said, I
Speaker 4: can put him simultaneously in Atsuji, Japan, the Philippines and
Speaker 4: working at Fisterer Dental Lab, all in early nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 4: Explain that one I can't The person who I believe
Speaker 4: was impersonating Oswald in New Orleans in fifty five to
Speaker 4: fifty eight, I believe was his first cousin, the son
Speaker 4: of Lillian Morrett, because that woman who identified herself to
Speaker 4: Palmer McBride clearly identified herself as Marguerite Oswald. So who
Speaker 4: could possibly be the Lee Harvey Oswald that Parmer McBride
Speaker 4: was working with. It could not have been Harvey or
Speaker 4: Lee because they were both in the Marines at the time.
Speaker 4: And when you look at some of the photographs of
Speaker 4: the real Lee Oswald, he looks a whole lot like
Speaker 4: his first cousin, John Marshall Morett. So I'm kind of
Speaker 4: the of the impression that John Marshall Morett was impersonating
Speaker 4: Lee from fifty five to fifty eight, working at Dolly
Speaker 4: Shue and a couple other places. And why would you
Speaker 4: have some other teenage who's younger than Oswald impersonating him?
Speaker 2: Why would you do that?
Speaker 4: Because you're you're training him, You're teaching him the business
Speaker 4: of intelligence. Because Lilian Morrette I found just last year
Speaker 4: two documents I found her. I found travel documents of
Speaker 4: her flying to an Air Force base in nineteen fifty
Speaker 4: four in Bermuda. She was there for six days. I
Speaker 4: then found documents from nineteen fifty five of her flying
Speaker 4: to Cuba. None of this ever came up in the
Speaker 4: Warran Commission, not one time. Why would they overlook super
Speaker 4: duper important stuff like flight records to an Air Force
Speaker 4: base and flight records to and from Cuba. Why would
Speaker 4: they never bring that up. She's supposed to be a housewife,
Speaker 4: no job, nothing, housewife, but she's flying the Air Force
Speaker 4: bases and going to Cuba.
Speaker 2: Screw you. She's a spook, right, And.
Speaker 4: So obviously if you take into consideration the how they
Speaker 4: run identity transfer, the fact they bring kids into this
Speaker 4: identity transfer stuff, to me, it makes sense that she
Speaker 4: would have been training her kid to work in this
Speaker 4: field as an identity transfer.
Speaker 2: So why at Dolly Shoe? I don't know.
Speaker 4: The fifty five time period of Dolly Shoe doesn't make
Speaker 4: any sense to me at all. John Armstrong thought that
Speaker 4: Dolly Shoe stuff happened in fifty six, not fifty five.
Speaker 4: But a lot of his reasoning is just bad. I mean,
Speaker 4: John Armstrong got a lot right, but he got a
Speaker 4: ton wrong. So these are now now let me just
Speaker 4: point this out. I don't have this all figured out.
Speaker 4: This is like the depths of what I'm working through
Speaker 4: over the next couple of years, you know. Like, to me,
Speaker 4: this Oswald stuff is far more fascinating than the assassination itself.
Speaker 3: It is already. It is very interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: Because it leads you to it leads you to the
Speaker 2: greater intelligence world, you know, And what the hell were
Speaker 2: they doing? What was going on?
Speaker 4: Why have they got all these people impersonating people, and
Speaker 4: then you got like Mary Haverstick put out her book
Speaker 4: on June Cobb last year or the year before, and
Speaker 4: that whole book is about identity transfer, and June Cobb
Speaker 4: had a June Cobb had a body double named Jerry Cobb,
Speaker 4: and the whole book is about the relationship between June
Speaker 4: Jerry Cobb.
Speaker 2: One was a spy, one was not. They borrow.
Speaker 4: There's the thing, the identity transfer. There's a thing called
Speaker 4: an identity donor, and they'll take an identity donor and
Speaker 4: that person will give permission for their identity to be
Speaker 4: used in a dual identity operation. So yeah, this is
Speaker 4: just modus operandi. And it's just now getting to the
Speaker 4: American people here in twenty twenty six that they did
Speaker 4: body double stuff and that Oswald was a part of it.
Speaker 4: So this is why it's been so heavily rejected before.
Speaker 4: But my book is basically undeniable. When you read thee
Speaker 4: Harvey Oswald in black and white, that's it. A woman,
Speaker 4: I know, that's the book that talked all about this.
Speaker 3: Interesting. That sounds that sounds like you have you read that.
Speaker 2: I have it.
Speaker 4: I have it, but I Okay, so I'm not a
Speaker 4: big fan of how she writes. I've started reading in
Speaker 4: her writing style kind of puts me off, and I
Speaker 4: just I'm like, I'll get to it later. Sure so,
Speaker 4: but I have a bad tendency of using books as
Speaker 4: reference material as opposed to reading a book all the
Speaker 4: way through, you know, because I know what the book's
Speaker 4: about and where the things are, so I'll look for
Speaker 4: specific details. You know, I extract a lot of details,
Speaker 4: because almost every goddamn Kennedy book I read is full
Speaker 4: of a bunch of bullshit, Like people don't understand what happened,
Speaker 4: they don't understand the relationships that play here, and then
Speaker 4: when they start writing about it, they go off of
Speaker 4: false assumptions. So I got to kind of like, it's
Speaker 4: it's like the Kennedy world is a minefield of bullshit.
Speaker 2: Really it is. It's very hard.
Speaker 4: You got to be on this for years and take
Speaker 4: it seriously to be able to determine what's bullshit and
Speaker 4: what's not. And not that many people out there are
Speaker 4: you know, stupid as me to waste their life on
Speaker 4: something like this. You know, God, if I had done
Speaker 4: something else, I've made a whole lot more money. I'll
Speaker 4: tell you that much.
Speaker 3: Well, you gotta do what you like, right.
Speaker 2: That is true. That is true. If nothing else, I
Speaker 2: do what I like. Yeah, man, but I'm never gonna
Speaker 2: get rich doing this.
Speaker 4: I can tell you that much, unless someone wants to
Speaker 4: buy my rights to make a movie off of So yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, you never know that. You never say never. I
Speaker 3: would never say it never.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's interesting. I'll uh if I could find
Speaker 1: a like a cheap use copy, I'll check that out
Speaker 1: a woman. I know sounds interesting. But yeah, I I'm
Speaker 1: like you. I if the writing's bad, it really turns
Speaker 1: me off.
Speaker 2: So I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Before we go, I guess maybe I know you talked
Speaker 1: about it a little bit. I mean, we want to
Speaker 1: get into some of the stuff that you're going to
Speaker 1: be writing about in the second volume.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah Yeah, so sure. So I'm about fifty pages in.
Speaker 2: I've kind of hit a wall. Not because of a
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Writer's block is a real thing, and it has nothing
Speaker 4: to do with not having something to write. It has
Speaker 4: to do if you sit down and I go to
Speaker 4: the keyboard and I'm like and nothing happens right, nothing
Speaker 4: comes out right. For like a month, I've been in
Speaker 4: this dead zone, and I know what I got to write.
Speaker 4: I got the paragraphs in my head. I just go
Speaker 4: to sit down and doesn't come out. So as soon
Speaker 4: as that passes, this second volume really focuses on the
Speaker 4: contradictions within the Marines, and like it's right off the bat,
Speaker 4: right from day one, this controversy over Oswald, and so
Speaker 4: Oswald signs up for the Marines in Fort Worth on
Speaker 4: October twenty fourth. Two days later, on October twenty sixth,
Speaker 4: he's in San Diego where he start. It's boot camp.
Speaker 4: Nobody knows how to hell Oswald got to boot camp, okay.
Speaker 2: John Armstrong interviewed.
Speaker 4: John Armstrong interviews people on the train that took people
Speaker 4: to boot camp, and no one remembered we're seeing Oswald there. Okay,
Speaker 4: So we don't have any idea how Oswald gets from
Speaker 4: Fort Worth to boot camp. Then when he gets in
Speaker 4: boot camp, the official story has him on paper with
Speaker 4: like a whole bunch of guys, right, a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of guys who are said to be in his boot camp. Well,
Speaker 4: then you go and you find stacks of documents from
Speaker 4: people who say, oh no, Oswald was in my boot camp.
Speaker 4: I remember we did this and they give details about
Speaker 4: Oswald and it wasn't the class that were told Oswald
Speaker 4: was in. Oswald was allegedly in platoon twenty sixty, I believe,
Speaker 4: but I have three or four documents from people who say, no,
Speaker 4: I was with Oswald in this platoon over here, or
Speaker 4: I didn't know Oswald personally, but I saw him and
Speaker 4: he was over in this platoon ten sixty eight or
Speaker 4: ten sixty nine. He wasn't in twenty sixty. Right, So
Speaker 4: we have this right from the jump. From day one,
Speaker 4: controversy begins. Then we have a real major split because
Speaker 4: he goes to like Jacksonville to do a basic electronics course,
Speaker 4: followed by going to Biloxi, Mississippi, where he takes the
Speaker 4: Aircraft Aviation Control and Operator course, which is like a
Speaker 4: very rudimentary radar operator stuff. Because everyone says he was
Speaker 4: a radar operator, Oswald was not a radar operator. Okay,
Speaker 4: to be a radar operator you had to do a
Speaker 4: thirty three week course. Oswald took the six week course,
Speaker 4: so he was not a radar operator. He was most
Speaker 4: likely a plotting board operator or a guy who serviced
Speaker 4: mechanically fixed radar units. So the whole story about Oswald
Speaker 4: being a radar operator is bunk. So this is where
Speaker 4: we run into another major contradiction. Because Oswald we have
Speaker 4: a photograph of him graduating on June eighteenth, nineteen fifty seven,
Speaker 4: from Biloxi and a warning operator course. However, we got
Speaker 4: multiple statements from guys like Owen Dajanovich who are like, no,
Speaker 4: I graduated their aircraft warning operator course with Oswald, and
Speaker 4: we graduated a week later on the twenty seventh or
Speaker 4: whatever the date was right. So it never ends. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, it never ends. And every single place where
Speaker 4: people knew Oswald you got people who knew him somewhere else.
Speaker 4: This continues all throughout the three years three and a
Speaker 4: half years of the Marine Corps, and even on the documentation,
Speaker 4: Like I have two different copies of Oswald's initial enrollment form,
Speaker 4: so when you get to the Marines, you fill out
Speaker 4: the paperwork and they sign off on it. I have
Speaker 4: two different I have the same form done twice in
Speaker 4: two different handwriting.
Speaker 2: Where'd that come from? Why does that exist? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So, like it's just overwhelming the story. Never to duplicate
Speaker 4: Oswald stuff. Never seems to end.
Speaker 2: The last time.
Speaker 4: Like the picture I showed earlier was Lee's passport photo
Speaker 4: from nineteen fifty nine October September tenth, nineteen fifty nine,
Speaker 4: taken in Los Angeles, that's the last photograph we'll ever
Speaker 4: see the really Harvey Oswald. From what I can tell,
Speaker 4: the really Oswald is reassigned at that point, He's probably
Speaker 4: given a new identity, and the man who went to
Speaker 4: the Soviet Union unquestionably Harvey Oswald, the same man who
Speaker 4: was arrested on November twenty second, arrested in New Orleans
Speaker 4: on August the ninth, definitely the same man who was
Speaker 4: in that photograph from the high school.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So we have a clear distinct path of Harvey Oswald,
Speaker 4: going through what schools he went to, going to Arlington Heights,
Speaker 4: joining the Marines, all that stuff. At the same time,
Speaker 4: we have a second parallel track of the really Oswald
Speaker 4: that contradicts all that stuff his whole life up until
Speaker 4: up until that September tenth. Because after September tenth, fifty nine,
Speaker 4: everything we know about the person we call the Harvey
Speaker 4: Oswald is actually Harvey Oswald. The man who introduced himself
Speaker 4: is Harvey to everybody who is the brother of the
Speaker 4: really Harvey Oswald. I know it sounds crazy. It's not me,
Speaker 4: it's the government. They do this weird stuff, and they
Speaker 4: do it to why do they do it. They do
Speaker 4: it for a thing called plausible deniability, so they can
Speaker 4: deny that they had any active role in an operation.
Speaker 4: They can deny the Harvey Oswald was in certain places
Speaker 4: because he is documented as being over there.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's the whole purpose of this stuff. It's spycraft, is
Speaker 4: trade craft. It's more proof the government never tells us
Speaker 4: truth about anything. And then I got a friend who
Speaker 4: studies Lincoln and he's like, this body, double's all over
Speaker 4: the Lincoln is fascination. So I'm like, and let's long
Speaker 4: before the CIA. That's naval intelligence all day long, you know.
Speaker 4: So naval intelligence is the most insidious organization, way beyond
Speaker 4: the CIA, that no one ever talks about. I think
Speaker 4: CIA is kind of designed to bring attention away from
Speaker 4: naval intelligence, who does the real underground intelligence work.
Speaker 2: Crazy, Yeah, yeah, it is. That's wow.
Speaker 1: Well, Corey, I really appreciate your time, and it was
Speaker 1: it was a pleasure to finally meet you. Before before
Speaker 1: we go, though, can you let everyone know where they
Speaker 1: can find you podcast all that fun stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can go to Coreyhughes dot org. It's
Speaker 4: got all my links and stuff. What my podcast is
Speaker 4: core Hugh's Bloody History. It's a very Corey's Bloody History
Speaker 4: is very it's not a beginner level podcast.
Speaker 2: I just read documents.
Speaker 4: I got three hundred and something episodes of me just
Speaker 4: reading documents because then nobody can say no. Then nobody
Speaker 4: can have an excuse for not reading the documents because
Speaker 4: the ain't gonna have to read them anymore. They can
Speaker 4: just listen and they can get all the good stuff.
Speaker 4: So it's not really good for people who are new
Speaker 4: to the Assassination Study for it's expert level kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But I do a substack. It's five bucks a month
Speaker 4: for my substack, and it's all on World War two
Speaker 4: debunking the Holocaust. I read a lot of World War
Speaker 4: two books like my Lothrope, Stoddard and Murray Samuels and
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff, and that's all on my substack.
Speaker 2: So that's about it.
Speaker 4: I do Day zero on Sundays with Charlie Robinson and
Speaker 4: Lindsay Sharmon and pretty much Charlie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Charlie. That's awesome. Cool man.
Speaker 1: Well again, I appreciate your time, pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have you back, so let's touch Thanks
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