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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, and welcome back to Divulgence. Today we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about the JFK assassination with a

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<v Speaker 1>JFK researcher, author podcast man. Thanks so much for your time,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for being here. How are things good?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're kind of going in and out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>But sorry, check one to check one two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're good, You're good.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sorry about that, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so yeah, welcome to Divulgence. Corey, thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for being here. Before we jump into you know,

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<v Speaker 1>JFK and the assassination and all that, can you just

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<v Speaker 1>tell us a little bit about yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? So, uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Before I got into Kennedy Research, I was a cop

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<v Speaker 4>for about eight and a half years. Before that, i'd

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<v Speaker 4>gone through years and years of forensics training. I went

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<v Speaker 4>to the first college program to offer a crime scene

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<v Speaker 4>processing training program, and from there I went through the

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<v Speaker 4>police academy and I was on the road for about

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<v Speaker 4>eight and a half years. And when I left police work,

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<v Speaker 4>I moved to Colorado, where I got into the weed

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<v Speaker 4>industry for like three years, and then from there I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of became a freelance writer in the cannabis space,

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<v Speaker 4>and then from there, I don't even know how it

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<v Speaker 4>morphed into history. And I've been on I'm doing History

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<v Speaker 4>since twenty fifteen, and I've been on Kennedy since July

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<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen, and that's pretty much what I do full time.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's pretty much it.

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<v Speaker 4>I got two books out, A Warning from History and

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<v Speaker 4>Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White, and I have

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<v Speaker 4>this year I'll have three three books out, volume two

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<v Speaker 4>of Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>putting out a two volume set of the second edition

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<v Speaker 4>of A Warning from History in the same format as

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<v Speaker 4>Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White, which shows all

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<v Speaker 4>the documents and all the photographs and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I got going on.

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<v Speaker 1>What what drew you into Kennedy? Like, I know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's it's a very lyric topic. There's so

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<v Speaker 1>much to it, so many sub stories within this big

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<v Speaker 1>kind of crop pod of of stories that may that

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<v Speaker 1>make up you know, the the pre the the assassination

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<v Speaker 1>and the post of the assassination. So what was it

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<v Speaker 1>that that drew you into to start writing books and

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<v Speaker 1>doing deep research on it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's the biggest mystery of all time. And I

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<v Speaker 4>had always had interest, you know, going back to when

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<v Speaker 4>I was a kid, like I was like twelve or

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<v Speaker 4>something when the JFK movie came out, maybe I was

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<v Speaker 4>like thirteen, you know, something like that, and like so,

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<v Speaker 4>I I've been fascinated ever since and always wanted to know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'd always over the years, you know, when I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't really a researcher, I had read some books and

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of, you know, I kind of I had

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<v Speaker 4>a feel for what I call now the official conspiracy theory,

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<v Speaker 4>because in all these historical events, you have the official story,

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<v Speaker 4>then you have the official conspiracy, a conspiracy theory which

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<v Speaker 4>is put out by the government also, and then you

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<v Speaker 4>have the underlying truth, and then underneath that you have

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<v Speaker 4>hidden truth, right, and so you have a lot of layers.

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<v Speaker 4>And I knew that the layers and stuff we'd been

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<v Speaker 4>given were total bullshit. And I had the time because

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<v Speaker 4>I had started podcasting. I've been doing podcasts publishing for

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<v Speaker 4>like ten years now. I've owned and managed multiple podcasts

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<v Speaker 4>publishing companies, and so I was doing my podcast publishing

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<v Speaker 4>and that doesn't really take a lot of time. When

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<v Speaker 4>you're just managing other podcasts and stuff. So I had

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of time on my hands, and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>screw it, let me just start doing this, And so

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<v Speaker 4>I did, and it became all consuming within about a month.

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<v Speaker 4>The first month was like kind of casual, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I was just starting a sorting out where do I

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<v Speaker 4>find documents and where do I you know. Once I

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<v Speaker 4>actually started to read things, I was hooked and I

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<v Speaker 4>was putting in like twelve hour days. I literally put

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<v Speaker 4>in twelve hour days for like I can't even tell

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<v Speaker 4>you how long years, because it was an obsession it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't like a job. It was like I had

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<v Speaker 4>to know this. And there were times I remember, like

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<v Speaker 4>one night I fell asleep. I was laying in bed

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<v Speaker 4>and I fell asleep with my laptop like on my

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<v Speaker 4>fucking lap. And then the next morning I woke up

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<v Speaker 4>and it had fallen over and I just got the

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<v Speaker 4>laptop and I went right back to work right now.

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<v Speaker 4>That was like my routine for years. I absorbed so

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<v Speaker 4>many documents the first three years, I mean I probably

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<v Speaker 4>had I had to have read something close to one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred thousand pages of documents by the end of three years,

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<v Speaker 4>and at that point I had a pretty goddamn good

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<v Speaker 4>grasp on what was going on, because I was disgusted

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<v Speaker 4>by the Kennedy research out there in the world, because

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<v Speaker 4>it's just terrible. It all focuses on the CIA killed

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<v Speaker 4>Kennedy over Vietnam, which is like the most elementary and

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<v Speaker 4>easily rejectable, you know, reason for them to want to

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<v Speaker 4>kill them. I mean, I'm sure that you have to think.

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<v Speaker 4>There's multiple factions here involved, and each of them have

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<v Speaker 4>their own reasoning for wanting to kill Kennedy, including the shooters.

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<v Speaker 4>The guys who pulled the triggers have a different motivation

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<v Speaker 4>than the guys who gave the order, right, right, So

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<v Speaker 4>all the guys who pulled the triggers were mobsters and

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<v Speaker 4>mercenary type guys from New Orleans, from that New Orleans

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<v Speaker 4>circuit surrounding David Ferry and whatnot, you know. And so

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<v Speaker 4>the mercenaries hated Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs and

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<v Speaker 4>they thought he was a Communist and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>The CIA was upset over Vietnam and they were upset

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<v Speaker 4>over the Bay of Pigs. Well, the Bay of Piggs

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<v Speaker 4>is a complicated conversation and I don't think the real

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<v Speaker 4>story the Bay of Pigs has ever been told. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was designed to fail so they could oust Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty confident that's what the Beaya Pigs was really about.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But you have all these different factions involved.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone's got their own reasoning, and like I said, the shooters,

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<v Speaker 4>their reasoning is different from everyone else's. Right, So everyone

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<v Speaker 4>who participated in this down the chain of command had

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<v Speaker 4>their own reasoning. But ultimately, when you get to the

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<v Speaker 4>top of the pyramid, it comes back to the Israelis,

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<v Speaker 4>and it comes back to a long history of Israeli

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<v Speaker 4>involvement with the mafia and the CIA, going back to

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<v Speaker 4>the nineteen forties. So the CIA, I'm sorry, the mafia,

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<v Speaker 4>and the pre Israeli zi as I call them back then,

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<v Speaker 4>they had a relationship prior to the CIA relationship with

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<v Speaker 4>the State of Israel, the.

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<v Speaker 2>State of Israelmanbount in forty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>The pre Israeli Zionists started their relationship with the Los

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<v Speaker 4>Angeles mafia in nineteen forty six. Nineteen forty seven, you

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<v Speaker 4>have a direct relationship between Ben Gurion, who will be

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<v Speaker 4>the first Prime Minister of Israel, and Mayor Lanski, who

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<v Speaker 4>runs the US syndicate, the Mafia syndicate, and so that

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<v Speaker 4>goes back to nineteen forty seven the Sonborn Institute, where

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<v Speaker 4>David Ben Gurion and Rudolph Sonborn decided that since post

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<v Speaker 4>World War Two, the United States government would not give

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<v Speaker 4>the Israelis their World War two surplus, meaning the leftover

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<v Speaker 4>weapons and arms and all that stuff from World War Two,

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<v Speaker 4>because we wouldn't give it to them. They made the

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<v Speaker 4>decision to go ahead and just steal from US. And

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<v Speaker 4>so for a period of somewhere around twenty years, starting

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<v Speaker 4>in around eeteen forty seven, the pre Israeli Zionists, along

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<v Speaker 4>with a number of American Jewish traders, basically broke into

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<v Speaker 4>and stole and pilford all the arms that were stored

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<v Speaker 4>in bunkers across the country left over from World War iiO. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>in the Kennedy story, a lot of people will tell

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<v Speaker 4>you that all those arms and all the burglar bunker,

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<v Speaker 4>the bunker burglaries, those were all related to funding the

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<v Speaker 4>anti Castro Cubans so they could overthrow Castro.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a complete lie. I've heard that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's not true, that the anti Castro Cubans are

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<v Speaker 4>a complete red herring. They have nothing to do with this.

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<v Speaker 4>There was only two anti Castro Cubans involved in the

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<v Speaker 4>actual shooting itself, and both of those guys worked for

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<v Speaker 4>Carlos Marcelo, so they were not there on behalf of

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<v Speaker 4>any kind of anti Castro activities. It's the biggest red

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<v Speaker 4>herring in all of Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so they were there, Sorry, they were there on

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<v Speaker 3>behalf of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Mafia, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So you got a bunch of these guys, So you

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<v Speaker 4>got to think the CIA and the mafia are working

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<v Speaker 4>together for whatever reasons. The excuse of killing Castro I

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<v Speaker 4>don't believe. With the exploding cigars, and we took out

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<v Speaker 4>Iraq in a day, but we couldn't take out Castro

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<v Speaker 4>in fifty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a break. There's something this story stupid. The

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Stziah. Yeah, exploding starfis right.

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<v Speaker 4>Right right, So if we wanted to kill him, it

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<v Speaker 4>was like look what we did to Look what I know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six, what

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<v Speaker 4>we just did, like Venezuela, Like you tell me you

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<v Speaker 4>can't do that in Cuba, Like give me a break.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing was it was a red herring.

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<v Speaker 4>We needed the Communist threat ninety miles off our coast

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<v Speaker 4>to keep the Cold War alive and active, which makes

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<v Speaker 4>Fidel Castro a proxy CIA ascid, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Right, so right, so as it's ridiculous, right, But really

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<v Speaker 4>it ultimately boils down to the Israelis. And when you

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<v Speaker 4>come to understand the Israeli relationship with the US mafia

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<v Speaker 4>and the Israeli relationship with the CIA, it becomes obvious

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<v Speaker 4>that in nineteen sixty three, the CIA, the Mafia, and

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<v Speaker 4>the pre Israeli Zionists they're one organization.

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<v Speaker 2>They're one, They're all Zionists.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>The Mafia, most people think, was run by Italians, and

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<v Speaker 4>the Italians ran like the local syndicate. They ran New York,

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<v Speaker 4>they ran Chicago, clear Eveland, you know, Miami, they had

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<v Speaker 4>they had their cities. The gel that held the whole

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<v Speaker 4>thing together was run by Jews Meyer, Lansky and all

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<v Speaker 4>his guys. You got to think the biggest mobsters in

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<v Speaker 4>the world ever, Mickey Cohen, Buggsy Siegel, Albert Anastasia Lepke,

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<v Speaker 4>buck Alter, Mayor Lansky. These guys are all Jews, right,

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<v Speaker 4>These guys are all and they ran the mafia basically

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Mayor Lansky.

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<v Speaker 4>One of his first big things he did was probably

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<v Speaker 4>the assassination of Mayor Anton Surmak in Miami. Sirmak and

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<v Speaker 4>Roosevelt were on like a tour because Roosevelt was like

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<v Speaker 4>running for reelection or something along those lines, and uh,

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<v Speaker 4>Sirmak basically was in He's from Chicago, mayor of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 4>He gets into this like turf war with the remnants

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<v Speaker 4>of the Compone organization, particularly Frank Nitty and so Frank

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<v Speaker 4>Knitty and there was another mobster called Roger Tuohe and

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<v Speaker 4>Roger Touohi was the opposite on the opposite side, and

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<v Speaker 4>he was partnered up with Sirmak. Right, So obviously those

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<v Speaker 4>guys lost the war to the Chicago outfit run by

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<v Speaker 4>Frank Nitti. At the time, they assassinate Sirmak down in Miami.

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<v Speaker 4>There's even video of It's great, the whole thing is great.

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<v Speaker 4>It's well documented. But the history books will tell you

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<v Speaker 4>that that was an attempt on Roosevelt and that Cermak

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<v Speaker 2>That is a blatant lie. It has a blatant lie.

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<v Speaker 4>The full backstory on the assassination of Sermak in thirty

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it was thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Three that pretty much iced mafia control, the outfit control

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<v Speaker 4>of Chicago. But there was most certainly some religious occultic

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<v Speaker 4>shit going on. All these assassinations, all having occultic aspect

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<v Speaker 4>to it, people showing up in elaborate robes or costumes

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<v Speaker 4>or whatnot, who know in advance. And those people were

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<v Speaker 4>there at the Anton Cermak assassination, just like they were

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<v Speaker 4>at Kennedy. And therefore there was definitely some sort of

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<v Speaker 4>Jewish involvement, and it was separate from the Chicago outfits

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<v Speaker 4>actions on Sermac. So, going back to like the thirties,

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<v Speaker 4>the mob was controlled by Jews. That is how it's

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<v Speaker 4>always been, and movies like The Godfather just were intentionally

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<v Speaker 2>Of Italian control of the mafia.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, so once you understand all these factors and you

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<v Speaker 4>understand the relationships between these different groups, you realize it's like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my god, these guys are all working together like

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<v Speaker 4>I never used to understand because it was always said

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<v Speaker 4>that Jack Ruby was like working with like the Israelis.

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<v Speaker 4>He was an FBI informant, he was a police informant,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was a mobster.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, how do you do all that stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>How does all that stuff like, how does that even

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<v Speaker 2>gel at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>And there's no cohesion there. It took me years to understand. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>they're all the same team. Back in sixty three, they

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<v Speaker 4>were all on the same team. The mafia, the CIA,

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<v Speaker 4>the FBI. This is corruption at its finest, and that

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<v Speaker 4>is what really gave birth to the world that we

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<v Speaker 4>live in today. I mean, if you ask me, Kennedy

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<v Speaker 4>was killing November twenty second, sixty three. United States of

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<v Speaker 4>America ended on that day, and we've been controlled by

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<v Speaker 4>these very forces that killed him ever since.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean they definitely their balls.

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<v Speaker 1>Defafit dropped with Kennedy, right because, like you said, look

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<v Speaker 1>at the world that was kind of born afterwards, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean his brother got it pretty quick afterwards, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know MLK as well, and then I mean whatever

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<v Speaker 1>other assassinations you want to throw into that pot, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But it was the sixties, the late sixties, after Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>became pretty bloody and a lot of things happened with

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<v Speaker 1>the outing of Kennedy as I'm sure you know. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy, and it's it's interesting now that I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>since a lot of a lot more people, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like are becoming more aware of you know, Israeli reach

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<v Speaker 1>and their their ability to kind of control and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pop up everywhere. And it's just it's wild that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, now you've done all this digging and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ding ding ding here they're popping up again now and

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<v Speaker 1>then all the way back to the JFK assassination.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I have to emphasize that when you really come

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<v Speaker 4>to understand, like for me, the study of the assassination

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<v Speaker 4>starts in eighteen ninety six, like that's the birth of

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<v Speaker 4>political Zionism. Theodore Herzel the first Congress in eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 4>seven in Basil, Switzerland. You know, this is a plot

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<v Speaker 4>to take over the world. This is not a fucking

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<v Speaker 4>plot to have some sort of Jewish homeland. This is

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<v Speaker 4>a plot to take over the world. And I can

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<v Speaker 4>tell you that with certainty because by like nineteen thirty three,

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<v Speaker 4>Zionists had people on the Supreme Court, they had Henry Morgenthau,

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<v Speaker 4>the Secretary of Treasury who wanted to basically murder every

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<v Speaker 4>German after the war. So are these forces they got

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<v Speaker 4>together starting around eighteen ninety five, in theory eighteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 4>in practice eighteen ninety seven, in their first meeting at

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<v Speaker 4>the Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the plot to take over the world that has

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<v Speaker 4>been unfolding ever since then. When you get into like

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<v Speaker 4>World War one, War War two, it's obvious they were

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<v Speaker 4>heavily involved in manipulating world events to lead to World

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<v Speaker 4>War One and World War Two. Hitler never wanted war, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Hitler submitted like seven or eight peace proposals. They weren't

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<v Speaker 4>even acknowledged or they were just rejected right off the

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<v Speaker 4>bat because they didn't want peace. They wanted World War two.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a Jewish war against Hitler. This becomes obvious

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<v Speaker 4>when you go back to like nineteen thirty three, when

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<v Speaker 4>Hitler first came into power.

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<v Speaker 2>You got people like.

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<v Speaker 4>Rabbi Wise in New York City who used to put

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<v Speaker 4>on all these Jewish marches down Park Avenue and stuff

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<v Speaker 4>like that. They declared war on Germany because Hitler had

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<v Speaker 4>been out for almost ten years at that point, about

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<v Speaker 4>seven or eight years promoting anti Semitism. Right, So the

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<v Speaker 4>boycott on Germany happened in thirty three. And then what

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<v Speaker 4>Hitler actually was doing during the war was reclaiming lands

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<v Speaker 4>that were stripped from Germany in World War One and

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<v Speaker 4>in previous skirmishes. So when he goes in to take

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<v Speaker 4>like the Rhine Land, and he goes to take Czechoslovakia,

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<v Speaker 4>and he goes back to take the Danzig, this guy,

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<v Speaker 4>all he was doing was reassembling a country that was

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<v Speaker 4>once ripped from him that he wasn't going to allow

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<v Speaker 4>to proceed. And so World War War War War two

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<v Speaker 4>was about the destruction of Germany period to pave the

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<v Speaker 4>way for the creation of the state of Israel. So

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<v Speaker 4>Jews have been manipulating historic events, creating historical events, all

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<v Speaker 4>in the name of Zionism. And once they got their country,

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<v Speaker 4>was that good enough? No, now they have to have

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<v Speaker 4>greater Israel. Do you think greater Israel is the end

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<v Speaker 4>of it?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Right now?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is the Jewish conspiracy that Hitler warned us

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<v Speaker 4>about one hundred years ago. That everyone wants to like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how this happened, Give me a break.

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<v Speaker 4>We knew, We've known for a hundred years and people

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<v Speaker 4>would like to deny that, but it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, regardless of what you think, like they

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<v Speaker 1>obviously have. Hitler has obviously been built into you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the ultimate icon of evil, right, even though there were

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<v Speaker 1>people that were quite literally just as bad, or some

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<v Speaker 1>people might want to say worse, other people are worse,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, it's all it always there's just that joke, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It always comes back to Hitler.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, if if you're able to to take

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<v Speaker 1>a second and actually do some thinking, you realize that, huh,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder why is it always Hitler that right? Like like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was it because he was picking on the Jews?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's because of the victim? Is is so important?

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<v Speaker 3>Or what? What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, well, the reality is when you start to really dig,

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<v Speaker 4>you come to understand that the most of the the

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<v Speaker 4>whole thing hinges on the Holocaust story, and the Holocaust

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<v Speaker 4>story is blatant fiction. So the idea that there were

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<v Speaker 4>gas chambers is so stupid. Like when you actually study

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<v Speaker 4>the buildings that they claim were gas chambers, you claim,

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<v Speaker 4>you look and see how they say the gas chambers

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<v Speaker 4>functioned and all this, you come to realize there never

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<v Speaker 4>were any gas chambers.

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<v Speaker 2>Stupid. And then for the end the six million number.

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<v Speaker 4>There was never more than three point seven million Jews

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<v Speaker 4>in all of occupied Europe at its peak, at its peak,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was before the war even started. By the

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<v Speaker 4>time the war started, Hitler's occupied Germany, probably occupied Europe,

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<v Speaker 4>probably had a million to million and a half Jews,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe tops, you know what I mean, But we already

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<v Speaker 4>we have the numbers. Basically, somewhere around three hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 4>Jews died during this period of thirty nine to forty five,

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<v Speaker 4>but that pales in comparison to like everybody else who suffered.

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<v Speaker 4>Jews made up less than thirty percent of the population

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<v Speaker 4>of the camps. And what were they just singling out

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<v Speaker 4>the Jews in the camps to kill them? No, give

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<v Speaker 4>me a break. The whole story is stupid. These camps

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<v Speaker 4>were operationally most of them. Most of the camps they

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<v Speaker 4>talk about the six camps in Germany where they alleged

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<v Speaker 4>Holocaust happened, four of them were gone before the war

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<v Speaker 4>even ended. Because they were mobile camps. They were moving

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<v Speaker 4>with the front. And so you only really have two camps.

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<v Speaker 4>You have Auschwitz and Madonic and that's it. And when

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<v Speaker 4>you study Mydnic, you realize there were no gas chambers.

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<v Speaker 4>The building they claim was a gas chamber was a

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<v Speaker 4>bath and disinfection center because everyone was disgusting and the

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<v Speaker 4>hygiene was poor, and they had lice, and so everyone

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<v Speaker 4>who got to the camps had their head shaved.

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<v Speaker 2>They had their clothes.

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<v Speaker 4>Taken from them, just like prisoners when you go to jail,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't get to wear your nikes. Okay, they take

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<v Speaker 4>your clothes and they give you sandals and all. And

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<v Speaker 4>this is all used as like, you know, evidence of

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<v Speaker 4>mass murder, which ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, here's the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>What happened during World War two in the Holocaust was

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<v Speaker 4>actually a brutal system of slave labor.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's bad enough. Okay, they didn't need to make up

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<v Speaker 4>all these stories. Implementing a system of brutal slave labor

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<v Speaker 4>is bad enough.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't have to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>But by making up all these stories, people are obviously

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<v Speaker 4>going to research them over the years. And I find

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<v Speaker 4>it his history across the board. When you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>people back then, they did not just like we are

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<v Speaker 4>very short sighted here in twenty twenty six. We don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what kind of technology will be out in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five to fifty years, right, that could debunk that could

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<v Speaker 4>have debunked the lies of today, but fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny because I've been running these these these moon

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<v Speaker 4>landing photos through Grock, and every single one is coming

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<v Speaker 4>back as fake. Every one of them is coming back

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<v Speaker 4>as faith, you know, totally manipulated, not possible from the

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<v Speaker 4>moon surface, all this stuff, right, And so they never

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<v Speaker 4>had the foresight to know that we would have something

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<v Speaker 4>like the Internet where I could go and look up

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<v Speaker 4>everyone's life story, like if you like you think James

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<v Speaker 4>Angleton ever knew that I'd be able to go on

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<v Speaker 4>Internet and really find out enough information to write a

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<v Speaker 4>book about the guy. Never, they had no conception of

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<v Speaker 4>what we're doing with this internet technology today, and therefore

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<v Speaker 4>they did a lot of stupid things that were very

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<v Speaker 4>easily debunked in the modern era.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the shortsightedness of these conspirators is they're ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>their downfall. And another thing in regards to like documents,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to talk about this for a split second

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<v Speaker 4>because the people I'm an expert on Kennedy I could

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<v Speaker 4>sit here and talk to you about what Oswald had

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<v Speaker 4>for breakfast that morning, right, So like we can sit

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<v Speaker 4>here and talk about all these details, and I can

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<v Speaker 4>tell you all these facts and circumstances and the implications

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<v Speaker 4>of such I promise you the people in charge of

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<v Speaker 4>releasing documents do not know what they're looking at. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't understand, you know, Like if I'm looking to put

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<v Speaker 4>David Ferry in a yellow car on one day just

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<v Speaker 4>to fill in a gap in history, and then I

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<v Speaker 4>come across a document that David Ferry is in a

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<v Speaker 4>yellow car on this one day, that might fill my

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<v Speaker 4>gap and be very significant, But the person who released

425
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<v Speaker 4>that document doesn't understand the significance of David Ferry being

426
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<v Speaker 4>in a r right, right. So That's what I'm finding,

427
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<v Speaker 4>Like when you go back and you look at the

428
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<v Speaker 4>best documents that we have were released post nineteen ninety two,

429
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<v Speaker 4>like in the first couple of batches of the Kennedy really,

430
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<v Speaker 4>because what happened was these fucking these Jews, man, I

431
00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.319
<v Speaker 4>swear they made the Kennedy movie, aren't And Milkschan confessed

432
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<v Speaker 4>Masad Spy produced the JFK film to put all the

433
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<v Speaker 4>blame on the CIA to flect from Israel and all

434
00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:13.519
<v Speaker 4>that stuff, right, And so these people go in there

435
00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.039
<v Speaker 4>and they try to control the narrative and they What

436
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:18.559
<v Speaker 4>happened with the JFK film was that there was so

437
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<v Speaker 4>much uproar over it that they it led to the

438
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<v Speaker 4>JFK Records Act, which got all the JFK records, all

439
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<v Speaker 4>of them were supposed to be released.

440
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<v Speaker 2>Right.

441
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<v Speaker 4>We got a huge numbers of documents in those early days,

442
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<v Speaker 4>and there's so much good information in those early documents

443
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<v Speaker 4>because those people didn't know what they were releasing.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Right.

445
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<v Speaker 4>Here's an example. David Ferry owns a light blue nineteen

446
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<v Speaker 4>sixty one Mercury Comet station wagon. After the assassination, he's

447
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<v Speaker 4>allegedly driving through like Houston and New Orleans and all

448
00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.720
<v Speaker 4>this stuff, but half the records show that he was

449
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<v Speaker 4>actually driving a light blue Ford Falcon station Wagon as

450
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<v Speaker 4>opposed to a light blue Mercury Comet. Well, guess what.

451
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<v Speaker 4>The light blue Mercury comment and the Ford Falcon station

452
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<v Speaker 4>Wagon are identical vehicles with different branding, both made by Ford,

453
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<v Speaker 4>and so when you go through the story, you're only

454
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<v Speaker 4>supposed to have one light blue station wagon driven by

455
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<v Speaker 4>David Ferry. But when you really dig through all the details,

456
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<v Speaker 4>you end up with two, right, and I can place

457
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<v Speaker 4>where they are in different places and all this stuff,

458
00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.279
<v Speaker 4>and they're trying to say it's one, but it's not right.

459
00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.480
<v Speaker 4>So these little right exactly, So these little things like

460
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<v Speaker 4>whether the documents say it's a Mercury comment at the

461
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<v Speaker 4>Ala Motel or whether it says it's a Ford Falcon

462
00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.599
<v Speaker 4>station wagon down at the Driftwood Hotel, which is two

463
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<v Speaker 4>hotels they stayed at, two different cars. It's clear to

464
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<v Speaker 4>me that there were two different vehicles involved for two

465
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<v Speaker 4>different purposes. The people who released those documents, they didn't

466
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<v Speaker 4>have any idea the implications of releasing the fact that

467
00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:35.880
<v Speaker 4>two different hotels said there were two different cars. See,

468
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<v Speaker 4>that's a major piece of the puzzle for me on

469
00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.680
<v Speaker 4>the whole post assassination wrap up. But the people who

470
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<v Speaker 4>release documents, they don't know what they're doing, right, So

471
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<v Speaker 4>I have no doubts that we will get I think

472
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<v Speaker 4>the reason we don't get the good documents is because

473
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<v Speaker 4>all the ones that are important are destroyed. There's a

474
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<v Speaker 4>handful of guys who are involved in the assassination in

475
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<v Speaker 4>Daly Plaza who are connected to David Ferry in New Orleans,

476
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<v Speaker 4>particularly a guy named Lawrence Howard who's a big, fat

477
00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:58.839
<v Speaker 4>Mexican guy, Lauren Hall, who's like a mercenary type, and

478
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<v Speaker 4>William Seymour who's another scenary type. These three guys, there's

479
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<v Speaker 4>practically no documents on at all, zero and they were

480
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<v Speaker 4>responsible for laying the foundation for I'd say at least

481
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<v Speaker 4>half of what we know in the Kennedy assassination story.

482
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<v Speaker 4>So Oswald was being impersonated all over Dallas, New Orleans

483
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<v Speaker 4>and places. They were setting him up in places he

484
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<v Speaker 4>wasn't and William Seymour was one of the guys who

485
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<v Speaker 4>was doing the impersonations of Oswald.

486
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<v Speaker 2>And so.

487
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<v Speaker 4>When you go and you look and you find people

488
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<v Speaker 4>who are important and significant in the storyline, and then

489
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<v Speaker 4>you go and look for documents and there's like ten pages,

490
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<v Speaker 4>you know you're onto something big. Another one of the shooters,

491
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<v Speaker 4>the shooter from the Daltex building, was a guy named

492
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<v Speaker 4>Milio Santana. He's one of the anti Castro Cuban guys

493
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<v Speaker 4>working for Marcello. He gets arrested in Daily Plaza and

494
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<v Speaker 4>it caused the whole efficient They had to fabricate stuff

495
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<v Speaker 4>to happen in Daly Plaza to cover for the fact

496
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<v Speaker 4>that they made an arrest. Okay, these little details when

497
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<v Speaker 4>you get into like guys like Emelio Santana, some of

498
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<v Speaker 4>these background characters, there's nothing. There's no documents at all.

499
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<v Speaker 4>I know for fact, Jim Garrison arrested Emilio Santana, brought

500
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<v Speaker 4>him into custody, interrogated him for five days straight before.

501
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Having to let him go.

502
00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:18.039
<v Speaker 4>We don't have that transcript. Where's that Someone intentionally destroyed

503
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.960
<v Speaker 4>that document and why? Because they were covering for the

504
00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.759
<v Speaker 4>fact that Emilio Santana was one of the shooters in

505
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<v Speaker 4>Daily Plaza and they couldn't let the contrary I guarantee

506
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<v Speaker 4>what happened in the interview was that Santana gave a

507
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:36.400
<v Speaker 4>bunch of contradictory information, right which an educated researcher would

508
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:37.680
<v Speaker 4>be able to be like, Okay, I see you know

509
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.640
<v Speaker 4>and put the pieces together based on his contradictions. That

510
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<v Speaker 4>document doesn't exist. I mean five days, it's got to

511
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<v Speaker 4>be a five hundred page document, six hundred thousand page document.

512
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<v Speaker 4>What I wouldn't do to get that document so I

513
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<v Speaker 4>could give you one hundred examples of things where I

514
00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:54.319
<v Speaker 4>know there's like very specific documents that should be there

515
00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.240
<v Speaker 4>that are just gone. And all these documents are connected

516
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<v Speaker 4>to people who appear as like background characters in the story,

517
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.079
<v Speaker 4>but no, they're really important characters in the story. So uh,

518
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:04.599
<v Speaker 4>this kind of brings around to like the theme of

519
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<v Speaker 4>my book, which are warning from History. I focused on

520
00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.400
<v Speaker 4>the shooters because no one else does. Everyone's like, even

521
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.839
<v Speaker 4>James Dugenio, who claims to be like the world expert

522
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.279
<v Speaker 4>on this stuff, He's like, Oh, I don't care about

523
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.680
<v Speaker 4>the shooters. What you don't care about You don't care

524
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.519
<v Speaker 4>about the shooters. You know, these people who focus on

525
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.680
<v Speaker 4>the CIA and Angleton and all this stuff, this is

526
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<v Speaker 4>what they want you doing, because you're never going to

527
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<v Speaker 4>find any documents connecting Angleton to giving orders to kill

528
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<v Speaker 4>Kennedy or any of these stuff.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Right.

530
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<v Speaker 4>So, but all these Kennedy researchers are out there like

531
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<v Speaker 4>digging into like stuff are never going to find, right,

532
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.039
<v Speaker 4>They're just never going to find stuff on these guys.

533
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:39.079
<v Speaker 4>This is the people up in the CIA at this

534
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<v Speaker 4>level I call the conspiracy layer.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I can tell you who gave the order.

536
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:45.400
<v Speaker 4>I can tell you the guys at the top and

537
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:49.839
<v Speaker 4>the masade, how it trickled down to the Los Angeles mafia.

538
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<v Speaker 3>And so give us a little bit of them.

539
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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I can definitely do that. But the point

540
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<v Speaker 4>I'm making here is that when it comes down to

541
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 4>when it comes down to the flow of how this goes,

542
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.920
<v Speaker 4>everyone is still focused on the damn CIA And I

543
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:10.599
<v Speaker 4>just put all this CIA talk the generics. I call

544
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:12.440
<v Speaker 4>it generic CIA talk, and I put it in this

545
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.359
<v Speaker 4>conspiracy layer category because it's ambiguous, it's vague. There's never

546
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:19.359
<v Speaker 4>gonna be any evidence connecting Dallas to the assassination. You know,

547
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:21.839
<v Speaker 4>these things that people expect to have on paper, we're

548
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:23.000
<v Speaker 4>just not gonna have on paper.

549
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I mean. So right, it's exactly. Yeah.

550
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:30.720
<v Speaker 4>Like the closest thing we're gonna get to, like something

551
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.559
<v Speaker 4>being on paper documenting planning of the assassination is like,

552
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.519
<v Speaker 4>this is a guy named Perry Russo who was like

553
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:39.240
<v Speaker 4>an insurance salesman who just happened to bump into he

554
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:41.960
<v Speaker 4>was he just inadvertently got into Ferry circle through a

555
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.720
<v Speaker 4>woman named Sandra Moffett who he had been dating. And

556
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.599
<v Speaker 4>so there's a party. Perry Russo is at this party

557
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.079
<v Speaker 4>and This is featured in the JFK film. When they

558
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.359
<v Speaker 4>have the party, they introduce and Oswald goes. Oswald says

559
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.039
<v Speaker 4>something like, why what the hell is this guy doing here?

560
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Right?

561
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:58.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like that's all that's all fabricated. Oswald was never

562
00:25:58.759 --> 00:25:59.799
<v Speaker 4>at that party.

563
00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:01.079
<v Speaker 2>But Perry Russo.

564
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Perry Russo outlines in his testimony to Jim Garrison what

565
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 4>was said at this party. And here David Ferry is

566
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 4>talking about triangulation or crossfire, how everyone has to have

567
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:13.480
<v Speaker 4>an alibi where they should be, he should be where

568
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:14.480
<v Speaker 4>everyone can see them.

569
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>You know.

570
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:17.759
<v Speaker 4>So when it comes to like documents showing the planning

571
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.640
<v Speaker 4>of the assassination, this is as good as it's gonna get.

572
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:24.200
<v Speaker 4>Third party people who witnessed something, who brought that information forward,

573
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:27.000
<v Speaker 4>and the information put forth at the Perry Russo party,

574
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.000
<v Speaker 4>to me is some of the most important stuff because,

575
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:32.680
<v Speaker 4>number one, it eliminates the possibility that the guy was Oswald.

576
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.400
<v Speaker 4>De man he saw he thought was Oswald was actually

577
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.640
<v Speaker 4>a guy named Kerry Thornley. And we know this because

578
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:37.839
<v Speaker 4>he had met the guy in a couple of days

579
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:39.440
<v Speaker 4>leading up to the party, where he had a big,

580
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:41.720
<v Speaker 4>bushy beard, and then the day of the party he

581
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 4>had shaved, and he had whiskers.

582
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.079
<v Speaker 2>He called it whiskers. It was like stubble. Right.

583
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.559
<v Speaker 4>Oswald was clean shaven all the time because he was weird.

584
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 4>He was weird like that. His haircut, he always he

585
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 4>got his haircut like twice a week. I mean, the

586
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 4>guy was like clean.

587
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>He was metro.

588
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:57.279
<v Speaker 4>He was like a metro sexual by like what today's

589
00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 4>standards were back then. So anytime I'm seeing the descriptions

590
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.799
<v Speaker 4>of Oswald where he's like got stubble, or he's got

591
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 4>dirty fingernails or like any of these things, Oswald would

592
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.279
<v Speaker 4>never do, It's like, Okay, that was Kerry Thornley, right.

593
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.319
<v Speaker 4>So I was able to put Kerry Thornley in like

594
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 4>six or seven places impersonating Oswald, not where he necessarily says,

595
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:20.200
<v Speaker 4>my name is Oswald. But one example is that he

596
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:24.720
<v Speaker 4>goes to rent in October of sixty three. He and

597
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.759
<v Speaker 4>this person and a pregnant woman and a kid, right,

598
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:29.759
<v Speaker 4>Marina and the kid.

599
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Right.

600
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 4>They go to this house owned by a woman named

601
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 4>McGee in Baton Rouge and they talked to her about

602
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:40.079
<v Speaker 4>renting her place. And this person who I at this time,

603
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 4>he didn't identify himself as Oswald. But he he said

604
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.640
<v Speaker 4>things like, oh I lived in the Soviet Union.

605
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh I.

606
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, he started saying things like, oh I got

607
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 4>a big gun collection. Is this place secure? I don't

608
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 4>want anybody stealing my guns? And then he's like talks

609
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 4>about communism, and then he talks about Kennedy coming to town.

610
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 4>That was never Oswald. Okay, I'll wed never did any

611
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 4>of that stuff. That was Kerry Thornley. Kerry Thornley impersonated Oswald,

612
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 4>and that was just one of like a half a

613
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 4>dozen incidents where he's there, doesn't necessarily give the name Oswald,

614
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:10.960
<v Speaker 4>but gives the Oswald story because the big part of

615
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.119
<v Speaker 4>what they did was they planted seeds for months leading

616
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.680
<v Speaker 4>up to the assassination, Guys like William Seymour and Carrie

617
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.680
<v Speaker 4>Thornley going places like the sports room, rifle range, you know,

618
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 4>the Carousel Club, a whole bunch of places, and believing

619
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 4>an impression. So like William Seymour goes to the sports

620
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 4>room rifle range posing as Oswald. He never gives the

621
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 4>name Oswald, but based on the descriptions, the things he

622
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 4>talked about, you know, they're like they what they did

623
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:39.519
<v Speaker 4>was after the assassination. They had hundreds of people come

624
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 4>forward and say, hey, this guy came into my store

625
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:44.440
<v Speaker 4>and he was talking about communism, and I'm pretty sure

626
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:45.000
<v Speaker 4>it was that guy.

627
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Right.

628
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 4>Well, this is great because when you study what's called

629
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 4>identity transfer, which is what the CIA's program of doing

630
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 4>body doubles is actually called, you come to understand that

631
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 4>they they did this on purpose, Right, they did this

632
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 4>on purpose. They had people plant these seeds to make

633
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 4>it seemed like Oswald was this radical communist. And the

634
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.839
<v Speaker 4>point here is that you don't have to look identical, right,

635
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.559
<v Speaker 4>And they even say in their own CIA manuals that

636
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 4>when the two subjects are not together and not scrutinized,

637
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 4>it makes the probability of pulling off the identity transfer

638
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.000
<v Speaker 4>even greater, which means, like, let's imagine you're just going

639
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 4>about your day. Let's say you go into a store

640
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:24.359
<v Speaker 4>and the guy at the counter in front of you

641
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 4>buying something he might kind of look like Oswald. Maybe

642
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 4>guy would have receding hairline, and but you overhear he's

643
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.400
<v Speaker 4>talking to the guy behind the counter about communism or

644
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 4>shooting rifles or Kennedy or something, right.

645
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 2>And then you just go about your day. And then

646
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:42.519
<v Speaker 2>three months later, this guy's on television, he shot Kennedy.

647
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>He's talking about he's got used a rifle and they

648
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 2>saying he's a communist, and you're like, oh my god,

649
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the guy I saw at the store

650
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 2>three months ago. Right, Well, it didn't have to be identical.

651
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>It only had to be close because the general form

652
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>of what they would look like, and that's what they did.

653
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>That's how they pulled this off.

654
00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 4>And I don't even believe for a split second Oswald

655
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:00.759
<v Speaker 4>worked at the depository.

656
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I have a mound of evidence going.

657
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:06.720
<v Speaker 4>Yes, every single statement about Oswald working at the book

658
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 4>depository completely falls apart, starting in the morning with Buell Fraser,

659
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 4>who gives him a ride to work that day. Buell

660
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 4>Fraser's statements or bogus. They don't drive, He said. Oswald

661
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:18.440
<v Speaker 4>showed up wearing a gray more or less flannel wool

662
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.519
<v Speaker 4>type coat, not a jacket, which is kind of a

663
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 4>lighter thing. A coat is a heavy thing, right, There's

664
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:26.400
<v Speaker 4>no coat like that that doesn't exist. So what is

665
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.920
<v Speaker 4>he talking about? His sister Lenny may Randall. She also

666
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.400
<v Speaker 4>acknowledged that Oswald had on a big, great coat, and

667
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 4>so where's the coat. Oswald doesn't have that coat, the

668
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 4>coat doesn't exist. Then you have the story of Oswald

669
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 4>getting out of his Buel Fraser's truck with like curtain

670
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 4>rods underneath his arms, right, and then he walks into

671
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.799
<v Speaker 4>the building with the curtain rods under his arms, and

672
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 4>that's how he snuck the rifle in that story never happened.

673
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 2>That was bunk.

674
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 4>We have testimony from a guy named Ed Shields at

675
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:58.519
<v Speaker 4>the House Committee on Assassinations in nineteen seventies. He says

676
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.200
<v Speaker 4>that he heard he was he worked in the warehouse section,

677
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 4>which was across Houston Street, but he's standing outside. He

678
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 4>says that he sees Buell Fraser walking into the building

679
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.200
<v Speaker 4>and someone called out from the building, hey, Buell, where's

680
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 4>your rider, And he tells him, hey, I dropped him

681
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 4>off in front, meaning he dropped them off in front

682
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.440
<v Speaker 4>of the building. That's not the story about coming in

683
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:16.400
<v Speaker 4>from the railroad yards with the package under your arm.

684
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 4>So we got two things in the morning that are

685
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 4>totally bunked by Buell Fraser giving information that is absolutely impossible.

686
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 4>And so Buell Fraser lied, Okay, that was number one.

687
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Then I realized he never drove anybody to work that day.

688
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:30.359
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing was made up.

689
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 4>Then when you get into the sixth the second floor

690
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 4>lunch room story with a coke, where like so Oswald

691
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.200
<v Speaker 4>allegedly kills the president, makes it down the stairs, not

692
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.759
<v Speaker 4>seen by anybody who's already on the stairs, and he

693
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 4>gets to the lunch room, he buys a coke, and

694
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 4>then Baker the cop, and then Roy Truley, who's his boss,

695
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 4>they come in there and he identifies Oswald as an

696
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:56.559
<v Speaker 4>employee and then they continue up the stairs. Okay, that

697
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 4>story never happened. That is a fiction that they create

698
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 4>to cover numerous factors. The first factor is that Baker

699
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 4>made an arrest in Dally Plaza directly in front of

700
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.680
<v Speaker 4>the book depository, probably around ninety seconds after the assassination.

701
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.079
<v Speaker 4>He arrested Emilio Santana, the shooter at the Dalteks. The

702
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 4>shooter of the Dalteks was taken into custody. It's captured

703
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 4>in Willis ten photo. The Willis ten photo shows a

704
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 4>man dressed all in black with a rifle being taken

705
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 4>into custody in front of the book depository. This debunks

706
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 4>the notion that they entered the building and went and

707
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 4>talked to Oswald ninety seconds after. Not only that, we

708
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 4>have the statements of Robert McNeil, who is a reporter

709
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 4>for NBC. He ends up going into the railroad yards,

710
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 4>comes so hops over the fence. He ends up going

711
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.720
<v Speaker 4>into book depository. And yes, willis tent. Oh, this is

712
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 4>a kind of fuzzy one, but you can see it

713
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 4>right here, this little square right here is a cop

714
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:51.759
<v Speaker 4>and he's got a guy ben over and he's got

715
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.880
<v Speaker 4>one hand up on his collar and the right hand

716
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 4>on is probably his right hand. He's taken somebody into custody. Okay,

717
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 4>this is the exact moment that Oswald is supposed to

718
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 4>be inside there drinking a coke, but that didn't happen.

719
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 4>So and we know it didn't happen ninety seconds after

720
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 4>because Robert McNeil, he will enter the book depository to

721
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 4>make a phone call. He says, when he enters the

722
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.599
<v Speaker 4>book depository, there's only three men there. Those three men

723
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 4>will be William Shelley, Billy Lovelady, and Buell Frasier. And

724
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 4>his comment is the three men were exceedingly calm for

725
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 4>the pandemonium going on around them. Oh weird, huh. Yeah,

726
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.039
<v Speaker 4>So they direct him to a phone. He goes over

727
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.640
<v Speaker 4>to pick up the phone. He makes his call to

728
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.759
<v Speaker 4>his New York News desk. Later on he gets the

729
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 4>time stamp, but when he made the phone call, the

730
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:39.039
<v Speaker 4>phone call was at twelve thirty six pm.

731
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 2>He will leave the building. When he leaves the building,

732
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.079
<v Speaker 2>he says, there are no one else's in the building.

733
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 2>There's no cops have entered the building yet, and no

734
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>cops entered before he did.

735
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:52.240
<v Speaker 4>So that conflicts with Baker's story about the coke and

736
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 4>going up to the top of the building because according

737
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:55.920
<v Speaker 4>to Baker and truly, they go to the top of

738
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 4>the building, they come back down, the building is flooded

739
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 4>with cops. Okay, Robert McNeil makes his phone call at

740
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.279
<v Speaker 4>twelve thirty six, He leaves there's no cops in there.

741
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.400
<v Speaker 4>That means the cops they could not have entered the

742
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 4>building period till twelve thirty seven, which then to me

743
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 4>makes perfect sense. They go in, they go up the

744
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 4>stairs in Baker's original report. This is funny because Baker

745
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 4>does an interview on TV and he explains the coke story.

746
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.159
<v Speaker 4>We rushed in the building. We went to the second floor.

747
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.400
<v Speaker 4>A there he is with the coke. Well, that's not

748
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.159
<v Speaker 4>what his original notes say. That's not what his original

749
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 4>handwritten report says. And that's not what the origin the

750
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.719
<v Speaker 4>original final type written report. And we have another document

751
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 4>from Chief Curry who acknowledges the contradiction here. So in

752
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 4>all of Baker's original notes, he straight up says they

753
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 4>stop someone between the third and fourth floor. He never

754
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.280
<v Speaker 4>mentions the second floor, never mentions a coke.

755
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Nothing.

756
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 4>This report gets approved by the Chief Curry. Chief Curry

757
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 4>then sends a memo to till I think the news agencies,

758
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 4>and he explains how Baker stopped this guy on the

759
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 4>stairs between the third and fourth floor, and that how

760
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 4>and here is this document is great because this one

761
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.719
<v Speaker 4>document Curry identifies this man is Oswald, but it's clearly

762
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 4>not Oswald because Oswald, remember he had to go home

763
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:06.320
<v Speaker 4>to get his jacket. The man stopped on the stairs

764
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.840
<v Speaker 4>by Baker and Trully, who was identified as Oswald by

765
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.400
<v Speaker 4>Chief Curry, is wearing a light brown jacket. Okay, Oswald

766
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.039
<v Speaker 4>didn't have a light brown jacket at work. End a story.

767
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 4>The man he stopped it was not Oswald. It didn't

768
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 4>happen in the lunch room. It happened on the stair well.

769
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.360
<v Speaker 4>And why did it happen at twelve thirty seven or

770
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 4>twelve thirty eight? Well, because William Seymour. He'll flee out

771
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.079
<v Speaker 4>the back of the building when the assassination happens. He

772
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 4>goes into Daily Plaza, where he's captured in the Robert

773
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.880
<v Speaker 4>Hughes film at one minute in thirty six seconds. From there,

774
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 4>he will re enter the book depository. Why well, because

775
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 4>he felt comfortable there. How is it this guy who

776
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 4>is not supposed to work there, captured in the Robert

777
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 4>Hughes film, is willing to walk back into the belly

778
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.199
<v Speaker 4>of the Beast, the book depository and then take the

779
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 4>elevator to the sixth floor, which is exactly what he does.

780
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.599
<v Speaker 4>He's descending from the sixth floor when he stopped on

781
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 4>the stairs between the third and fourth floor, after he's

782
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 4>identified as an employee by truly and remember it's not Oswald,

783
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Speaker 4>it's William Seymour, And I'll show you there, I got it.

784
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Run here somewhere. He lets him go, and then he

785
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>walks down the stairs, and then what happens next, we

786
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.039
<v Speaker 2>have witnesses who say that Oswald left the side of

787
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the Book Depository at exactly twelve forty PM, ran down

788
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 2>the little grassy slope, and then got into a green

789
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Nash Rambler station wagon, which then took off toward Oak Cliff.

790
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>That's the official story.

791
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.840
<v Speaker 4>But at the exact same time, we got Oswald at

792
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:26.119
<v Speaker 4>twelve thirty six PM, allegedly leaving the book Depository going

793
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.880
<v Speaker 4>to catch a bus downtown, but the bus gets stuck

794
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 4>in traffic, He gets off the bus, he goes and

795
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 4>he takes the cab, and then the cab takes himTo

796
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:33.480
<v Speaker 4>the boarding house.

797
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So which is it? Now?

798
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.760
<v Speaker 4>We got two stories on how Oswald left Daily Plaza.

799
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.639
<v Speaker 4>We got Oswald leaving in a bus in a cab,

800
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.079
<v Speaker 4>and then we got Oswald fleeing down the side of

801
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 4>the book the grassy slope and leaving in the Green

802
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.519
<v Speaker 4>Nash Rambler. Okay, which is it? It's neither okay, Because

803
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 4>Oswald didn't work at the Book Depository. Every single incident

804
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:55.800
<v Speaker 4>of Oswald being seen, observed, whatever is easily explainable when

805
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 4>you realize he was not only was he being personated

806
00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 4>at every place that we say he went the sports room,

807
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Speaker 4>rifle range, all these places. Was he being impersonated? He

808
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.360
<v Speaker 4>was impersonated at the book depository also, And not only that.

809
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 4>We have a great little contradiction here, and this kind

810
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 4>of shows to me, this indicates Oswald was a spook,

811
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:14.719
<v Speaker 4>or at least some he adds some credence to the fact.

812
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>That Oswald was a spook. So Oswald will.

813
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 4>Oswald will give a statement to the district attorney Wade.

814
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 4>He will tell him that yes, he works at the

815
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 4>book depository, but he was not present on the day

816
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 4>of the assassination. And then Wade relays this information to

817
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 4>the reporters, and reporters are asking him questions, and the

818
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 4>reporter goes, well, he works there, and then Wade hesitates.

819
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 4>He hesitates before answering all these questions. He said yes,

820
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 4>and then the reporter goes, but not that day. He goes,

821
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.039
<v Speaker 4>but not that day. He denied being there that day. Great,

822
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.760
<v Speaker 4>now we have some substantiation that Oswald was never there

823
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 4>that day. However, later when Oswald's on TV and he's

824
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:03.719
<v Speaker 4>being interviewed by the reporters, they asked him, were you

825
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.960
<v Speaker 4>in that building? And he goes, naturally, if I worked

826
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 4>in that building, right, So he says that he was

827
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.039
<v Speaker 4>in the building, right. So first he tells Wade he

828
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 4>wasn't in the building. Then on TV he says he

829
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.519
<v Speaker 4>was in the building. This to me indicated he was

830
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.559
<v Speaker 4>sending a message to his handlers that he was maintaining

831
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 4>his cover, because there's no way in hell he was

832
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:24.199
<v Speaker 4>there that day. So when you look at the shots

833
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 4>were fired and allegedly at twelve thirty pm, he walks

834
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 4>through the front door of the Texas Theater between one

835
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 4>and one oh seven pm, giving him about thirty seven

836
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 4>minutes to pull the trigger, ditch the rifle, get downstairs,

837
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.800
<v Speaker 4>fleet the depository in a third way that we don't

838
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 4>know because it wasn't on the bus or the you know,

839
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:46.239
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't any of these things that we said, So

840
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.639
<v Speaker 4>we have no idea how he allegedly left there. From there,

841
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:50.000
<v Speaker 4>he goes to the boarding house. We have no idea

842
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 4>how he gets there because he definitely didn't take the cab.

843
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.440
<v Speaker 4>That was somebody else who took the cab, which will

844
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:56.360
<v Speaker 4>not probably not cover to day because I'm still working

845
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.519
<v Speaker 4>on it. But ultimately he didn't do any of these things.

846
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.360
<v Speaker 4>He's being set up the whole time, and the timeline

847
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:03.800
<v Speaker 4>from when he would have pulled the trigger to well

848
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 4>and he actually walked in the theater doesn't fit either.

849
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.840
<v Speaker 4>So the official story says that Oswald went to the

850
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.320
<v Speaker 4>Texas Theater at one thirty six pm. One thirty six.

851
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 4>He stops at Hardy Shoe Store where he sees Johnny

852
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 4>Brewer and a couple other guys in the shoe store.

853
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 4>Then he walks in. Then the phone calls are made bringing.

854
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:22.559
<v Speaker 2>The to the cops.

855
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.880
<v Speaker 4>The cops show up about one fort The weird thing

856
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 4>about the cops showing up at one forty is that

857
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.039
<v Speaker 4>I was a cop for a long time. I understand

858
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 4>how dispatch works. You can have an emergency, top priority call,

859
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 4>someone's getting shot right now, the process from which the

860
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 4>call comes in, it goes to the dispatcher and then

861
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 4>gets dispatched to the road.

862
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 2>You're looking at two to.

863
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 4>Three minutes, even in an emergency situation, two to three

864
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 4>minutes before it's even getting dispatched at all. But people

865
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 4>were showing up at the Texas Theater within like a

866
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 4>minute of it being called in, right So I'm like,

867
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 4>and it never went out over the radio. So this

868
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 4>is the weird thing. So Julia Postal at the theater

869
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 4>allegedly calls the cops, and then the cops show up

870
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 4>and start their investigation. But they showed up at a

871
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.679
<v Speaker 4>time before that call was ever dispatched. The call was

872
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.519
<v Speaker 4>never dispatched. We have the transcripts of the radio and

873
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.400
<v Speaker 4>they don't the Dallas police, they don't even know of

874
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 4>anything going on at the Texas Theater until the first

875
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:17.840
<v Speaker 4>cops show up at one point.

876
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:20.559
<v Speaker 2>So what's going on here?

877
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 4>The phone call to the cops that bring them there

878
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.599
<v Speaker 4>is not what brought them there. They were tipped off somehow.

879
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.199
<v Speaker 4>Aside from that phone call, they knew to show up

880
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 4>at the Texas Theater period. The whole thing was a

881
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 4>planned meeting spot. So let me tell you what really

882
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.320
<v Speaker 4>happened with Oswald. The person that we know is Oswald

883
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Speaker 4>shows up and enters the theater between one and one

884
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:41.280
<v Speaker 4>oh seven. He goes down to like near the front row,

885
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 4>and as a guy sitting there named Jack Davis. Jack

886
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.440
<v Speaker 4>Davis is like an eighteen year old kid. He's wanting

887
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 4>to see the movie. Oswald sits directly in front of him,

888
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.280
<v Speaker 4>and then after about a minute, Oswald gets up and

889
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.440
<v Speaker 4>then sits directly next to Jack Davis, like, you have

890
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.559
<v Speaker 4>a nine hundred seat theater and you got twenty five

891
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 4>people in the theater, and he's sitting directly next to

892
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 4>this guy he doesn't know, and Jack Davis is like,

893
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 4>what's up at you?

894
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Right?

895
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 4>And so Oswald will then get up and he'll do

896
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.679
<v Speaker 4>it again. He sits down next to another person and

897
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 4>then he gets up again. He does this like two

898
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 4>or three times in the theater before he ends up

899
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 4>sitting down next to a pregnant woman. He speaks with

900
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 4>the pregnant woman for a couple of minutes, then the

901
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 4>two of them leave to go to the lobby. The

902
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.519
<v Speaker 4>pregnant woman leaves. She is completely unidentified. I trust me,

903
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 4>I've looked into who this is. I have some suspects.

904
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 4>There's only three pregnant women in the story at the time,

905
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.079
<v Speaker 4>So but she leaves. Oswald will then at one point

906
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 4>fifteen PM one one five, one fifteen, confirmed by Butch Burrows,

907
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 4>the candy guy, he sells Oswald popcorn. Okay, The Tippet

908
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 4>shooting documented is took place at one sixteen.

909
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

910
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.199
<v Speaker 4>The official story says Oswald shot Tippet at one sixteen

911
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 4>not possible. The actual shooting is the place at one

912
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:58.920
<v Speaker 4>oh six, but Oswald was already in the theater by

913
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 4>that time, so Oswald could have done the tip shitting.

914
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.159
<v Speaker 4>So he goes out, he buys the popcorn, and then

915
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:05.800
<v Speaker 4>he goes back and he sits in the theater. It's

916
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 4>about one point sixteen one seventeen at this time. He

917
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 4>will then sit there in the theater, eating popcorn, watching

918
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:18.400
<v Speaker 4>a movie for thirty minutes, thirty minutes before they storm

919
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.239
<v Speaker 4>in and grab him. This guy didn't have a clue

920
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 4>what was going on. This guy had no idea. He

921
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.239
<v Speaker 4>probably meant he went. He went there to meet with

922
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.440
<v Speaker 4>his handler. He met with the pregnant woman, his handler.

923
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.480
<v Speaker 4>She probably told him everything's cool, just chill out and

924
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 4>watch the movie, and so he did.

925
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:36.639
<v Speaker 2>He stayed to watch the movie.

926
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh movie was it? You know?

927
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 2>War as Hell?

928
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 4>War as Hell with Audie Murphy, which is kind of

929
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 4>funny because Audie Murphy pops up in the story again

930
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 4>later with a guy named Gary Ween who would take

931
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.000
<v Speaker 4>Audie Murphy on investigations with him, which it was really

932
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.920
<v Speaker 4>weird because Gary Ween provided some blockbuster testimony that Audie

933
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 4>Murphy was with him when he observed a meeting of

934
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 4>Jack Valenti and Kasper Weinberg and a whole bunch of

935
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 4>these other guys two weeks before the assassination. And then

936
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.280
<v Speaker 4>Oswald gets pulled out of the theater with Audie Murphy

937
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.360
<v Speaker 4>on the screen. So I thought it was a weird,

938
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 4>really interesting kind of coincidence there.

939
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 3>That's a weird sink.

940
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

941
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But after that, they'll bust in, they'll grab Oswald.

942
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't have a clue what's going on. At this

943
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 4>exact same time, we have witnesses who put Oswald at

944
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:25.199
<v Speaker 4>a place called the Tidy Lady Laundry, which is in

945
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.639
<v Speaker 4>Oak Cliff, a couple of blocks up from the Texas Theater,

946
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.119
<v Speaker 4>and he basically they say, the man they believe is

947
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Oswald pulls in a light colored station wagon. It's the

948
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 4>light green Nash Rambler station wagon that left Dealy Plaza.

949
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:38.239
<v Speaker 4>William Seymour pulls up in this thing.

950
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 2>He goes in.

951
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 4>He makes a phone call in Mexican, right, that's what

952
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 4>they called it. They said he made a phone call

953
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:42.599
<v Speaker 4>in Mexican.

954
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:45.119
<v Speaker 2>So he calls. He speaks Spanish, obviously, he's talking to

955
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Lawrence Howard on the phone.

956
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 4>The big Mexican guy, and then he walks south on

957
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.360
<v Speaker 4>North Clinton Street and that's the last we see of

958
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 4>him there. Then a book comes out in the nineties

959
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 4>or two thousands by a guy named Robert Vincent. Robert

960
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 4>Vincent claims that he and I believe his story one

961
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.920
<v Speaker 4>hundred percent because it's totally verifiable. He claims that he

962
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 4>got on a he was in where was he He

963
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 4>was in, like Colorado Springs, I think, and he got

964
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.519
<v Speaker 4>on a plane. He was trying to head somewhere and

965
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 4>they told him, hey, there's no planes available for you,

966
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 4>but there's that plane over there. You can hop on

967
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 4>that one. Those guys will take you right. And so

968
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:22.800
<v Speaker 4>he gets on this plane. He didn't recognize the markings

969
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 4>on the tail. It was later determined to be a

970
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 4>CIA plane. But he's getting on this plane. He's going home,

971
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.159
<v Speaker 4>and when the president gets killed, the plane turns around

972
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 4>mid air, flies to Dallas and pulls off in like

973
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:39.440
<v Speaker 4>a dirt patch next to an aqueduct. And when they

974
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 4>do that, two guys hop on. One is a big, large,

975
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 4>husky Latin looking guy, Lawrence Howard, and the other one,

976
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:45.280
<v Speaker 4>he says, looks like Oswald.

977
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Right.

978
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 4>So we have continued stories of sightings of Oswald after

979
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 4>he's already taken into custody. Right, So, to me, it

980
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 4>was clear that this sighting by Robert Vincent was Lawrence

981
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.400
<v Speaker 4>Howard and William Seymour, the two guys involved heavily in

982
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.159
<v Speaker 4>the setup of Oswald. Lawrence Howard one of the shooters

983
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:04.280
<v Speaker 4>on the sixth floor. They're fleeing Dallas in a CIA

984
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 4>plane and they take a plane to New Mexico, which

985
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.440
<v Speaker 4>is very significant because New Mexico is once stayed over

986
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 4>from Phoenix, which is where William Seymour and these guys

987
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.960
<v Speaker 4>were living. So that whole story to me, like when

988
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 4>you really truly come to get a grip on the

989
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 4>vast majority of like what's going on with the documents,

990
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.159
<v Speaker 4>none of the story makes any sense, as holes in

991
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:26.079
<v Speaker 4>it everywhere, and it becomes clear that they just made

992
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:26.559
<v Speaker 4>stuff up.

993
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.760
<v Speaker 2>They lied it was.

994
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.119
<v Speaker 4>It is the grandest conspiracy of them all, and I

995
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 4>have no doubt there were probably hundreds of people in

996
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:36.559
<v Speaker 4>the know before it happened.

997
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, you just I mean, you can't.

998
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:48.599
<v Speaker 1>You can't pull something like that off and keep it

999
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:53.119
<v Speaker 1>so under wraps for so long without the proper planning

1000
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 1>and having the proper people in place at the proper

1001
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 1>places everywhere.

1002
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Yep. So the bulk of the shooters came from New Orleans.

1003
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:03.679
<v Speaker 4>They were tied up with this mercenary group that were

1004
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.679
<v Speaker 4>connected to David Ferry and Clay Shaw. And it's the

1005
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.039
<v Speaker 4>obvious guys who we all know were shooters down who

1006
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 4>were mercenaries down in New Orleans. But then you can

1007
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 4>see it it was bigger than that, because then you

1008
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 4>have guys from the Cleveland Mob who were there, the

1009
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 4>Three Tramps, mostly from Cleveland. You got guys from the

1010
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 4>La Mob who were heavily involved in the setup of

1011
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.000
<v Speaker 4>this thing. A guy named Jack Lawrence was a low

1012
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:24.679
<v Speaker 4>level mob guy who was confirmed to have been in

1013
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.920
<v Speaker 4>Dey Plaza that day. So it wasn't just New Orleans.

1014
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 4>And when you start seeing different factions of the US Mafia,

1015
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 4>you can tell the only person to control those is

1016
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 4>Mayor Lansky, right, So that's where you definitely say that

1017
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.119
<v Speaker 4>you have mob involvement because there was some mob guys

1018
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:44.000
<v Speaker 4>brought in to supplement these this New Orleans crew. So

1019
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:45.400
<v Speaker 4>that's when you were and then when you start to

1020
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.599
<v Speaker 4>realize that the mafia was working with the CIA and

1021
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 4>the Zionists, and you're like, dude, I get it now.

1022
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.119
<v Speaker 4>This is one organization like all these law enforcement like

1023
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 4>our government, and we ended on November twenty second, sixty three.

1024
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.239
<v Speaker 4>We're inn Israeli colony. They implanted their Jewish puppet lynd

1025
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 4>And Johnson, who basically handed them the keys of the kingdom.

1026
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 2>US has liberty.

1027
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.840
<v Speaker 4>All that stuff happened, all policies geered toward Israel, APAC

1028
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:12.159
<v Speaker 4>allowed to flourish. I mean, I was born without a country.

1029
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.639
<v Speaker 4>I was born in seventy six. He died in sixty three.

1030
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.920
<v Speaker 4>Our country was dead long before I ever got here.

1031
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.559
<v Speaker 4>So that's kind of how I feel about the whole situation.

1032
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.400
<v Speaker 4>And all of it has to do like it's never

1033
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.519
<v Speaker 4>Kennedy has never been more relevant than it is today

1034
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.760
<v Speaker 4>because of what's going on in Israel and Palestine and

1035
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.360
<v Speaker 4>the Middle East and this bombing of Iran. This is

1036
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 4>the fruits of the labor of the Zionists who took

1037
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 4>over our country.

1038
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 1>When they kill Kennedy, right, they want to wipe Yeah,

1039
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 1>well they want the greater Israel.

1040
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 3>They want to start wiping out some of these countries, right.

1041
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's all about but It's not about greater Israel.

1042
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.679
<v Speaker 4>It's about the world, right, the Georgia Guidestone shit, the

1043
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 4>five hundred million population they want to rule over. You know,

1044
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 4>they've even said it in their own terms. The Jews

1045
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 4>want to have a world of their own, to rule

1046
00:47:56.679 --> 00:48:03.239
<v Speaker 4>over a population of mongrels who will serve them terrible.

1047
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is.

1048
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Why don't we talk a little bit about your your

1049
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>second book, your second set of books, Yeah, Oswald and

1050
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Black and White.

1051
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:18.679
<v Speaker 3>So you were.

1052
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Telling me you have volume one out, you're working on

1053
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.119
<v Speaker 1>volume two, which will be coming out this year, which

1054
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>is very exciting.

1055
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 3>So let's jump into that a little bit. Like you've I.

1056
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Think you were saying, obviously there's more than one Oswald,

1057
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean officially, unofficially how many were there kind of

1058
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.000
<v Speaker 1>two main Oswalds or were there just a bunch of

1059
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Oswald's or what?

1060
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 4>Well, let me explain the circumstances leading to what I

1061
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.320
<v Speaker 4>believe is the origin of this whole thing, and then

1062
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:51.719
<v Speaker 4>you can.

1063
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Kind of judge for yourself a little. So.

1064
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.599
<v Speaker 4>Oswald's born in October thirty nine, his father died two

1065
00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 4>months before he's born, and it's kind of a weird,

1066
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 4>kind of gray area on where Lee and his mother

1067
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 4>were living between his birth and like early nineteen forty one.

1068
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 4>It's not really it's not clear. I mean, there's no

1069
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.280
<v Speaker 4>real The addresses we have on file are not accurate.

1070
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 4>They don't they don't jive. Starting around this nineteen forty

1071
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 4>one time period stretching through April of forty four, what

1072
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:34.440
<v Speaker 4>we have is a series of impossible circumstances and ultimately

1073
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:39.920
<v Speaker 4>it revolves around Marguerite Oswald and her involvement with the

1074
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 4>US Navy.

1075
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:42.679
<v Speaker 2>And so.

1076
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:48.320
<v Speaker 4>World War two is World War two is happening in Europe.

1077
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.840
<v Speaker 4>We're not in the war yet. Starting around nineteen forty one,

1078
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 4>the US Navy starts to formulate a plan because all

1079
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.400
<v Speaker 4>the men are going to go to war. They know this,

1080
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.800
<v Speaker 4>so they have to replace thousands, tens of thousands of

1081
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Speaker 4>people to do. All the people who'd be working here

1082
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.760
<v Speaker 4>in the military in America are now going to go overseas.

1083
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:13.000
<v Speaker 4>So they got to replace those people.

1084
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 2>And what did they do. They created what's called the

1085
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Navy Waves Program.

1086
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:18.760
<v Speaker 4>It's basically the Women in the Navy program, and it

1087
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 4>created civilian positions for women when all the men were

1088
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.079
<v Speaker 4>to be overseas. Right, So I've concluded beyond all doubt

1089
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:32.320
<v Speaker 4>that Marguerite Oswald was part of this Waves program. You

1090
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:36.360
<v Speaker 4>start to get lies popping up from Lillian Morrett. So

1091
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:40.119
<v Speaker 4>Marguerite Oswald has a sister named Lillian Morett. Lilian Moret's

1092
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 4>Warren Commission testimony is so chocked full of lies, holes,

1093
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:49.440
<v Speaker 4>contradictions it becomes brutally obvious she's covering something up. She's

1094
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.440
<v Speaker 4>asked where in this period of nineteen forty one Oswald

1095
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.559
<v Speaker 4>is putt in an orphanage. He's put in the Bethlehem

1096
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.400
<v Speaker 4>orphanage with his two other brothers. Okay, So, Marguerite Oswald

1097
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.679
<v Speaker 4>is a soociopath. She never loved her kids. I don't

1098
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 4>care what she said. She never loved her kids. She

1099
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.840
<v Speaker 4>got rid of them every opportunity she could. I might

1100
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 4>be wrong, and she might have gotten rid of her

1101
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 4>kids on purpose because she was doing stuff in the Navy,

1102
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.800
<v Speaker 4>which is a possibility. If that's not the case, then

1103
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:13.159
<v Speaker 4>she's a.

1104
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:14.679
<v Speaker 2>Horrible, horrible human being.

1105
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 4>So between forty one and forty four, the address is

1106
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 4>Marguerite Oswald gives, do not check out. She gives he

1107
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.480
<v Speaker 4>had just twenty one thirty six Broadway and two twenty

1108
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.239
<v Speaker 4>seven Atlantic Avenue. I grew up in Brooklyn. The split

1109
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.119
<v Speaker 4>second I heard those street names, I'm like, oh, that's

1110
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:36.360
<v Speaker 4>New York. It's obvious. The FBI went and investigated, because

1111
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 4>there's actually Atlantic Avenue and a Broadway in New Orleans

1112
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.039
<v Speaker 4>and in Algier's Louisiana. The FBI went and interviewed all

1113
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 4>the peoples around. She never lived at these addresses. Okay,

1114
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.519
<v Speaker 4>so she gave bad addresses. Why would she give bad addresses?

1115
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.360
<v Speaker 4>And if she joined the Navy Waves program, why would

1116
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.840
<v Speaker 4>she try to cover that up? What's those top secret

1117
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 4>about her joining a program the whole world knows about, right,

1118
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 4>Why would that be something to hide?

1119
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:58.000
<v Speaker 2>But they did. They hit it.

1120
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.599
<v Speaker 4>Twenty one thirty six Broadway and two twenty seven Atlantic

1121
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:02.639
<v Speaker 4>Avenue turn out to be within just a couple miles

1122
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.880
<v Speaker 4>of the Waves training facility in the Bronx, up and

1123
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:06.960
<v Speaker 4>up in.

1124
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 2>The facility was in the Bronx.

1125
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:10.960
<v Speaker 4>The addresses in Manhattan and Staten Island were only within

1126
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.639
<v Speaker 4>like fifteen miles of the of the Waves training facility.

1127
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 2>To me, it was brutally obvious.

1128
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.119
<v Speaker 4>The lies and the obfuscation was the cover for the

1129
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 4>fact that she went into the Navy Waves program. After that,

1130
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.400
<v Speaker 4>she Will Oswald during this time is two three years old.

1131
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 4>He's bouncing back and forth between living at Lillian Mourett's

1132
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.599
<v Speaker 4>house and living at the Bethlehem Orphanage. So we have

1133
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.840
<v Speaker 4>this major gray area between forty one and forty four

1134
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.360
<v Speaker 4>that it's clear she was part of the Waves program.

1135
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.480
<v Speaker 4>She even acknowledges it in a book. The woman we

1136
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.679
<v Speaker 4>call Marguerite Oswald came out with a book in nineteen

1137
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 4>sixty six that she wrote with Gene Stafford, and it's

1138
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.719
<v Speaker 4>called A Mother in History. And in that book she

1139
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 4>acknowledged that in nineteen forty two she was a switchboard

1140
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.239
<v Speaker 4>operator at the naval station at the Naval base in Algiers.

1141
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.400
<v Speaker 4>This is the one and only reference you'll ever see

1142
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 4>to her working at the navy base, and she admitted

1143
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:08.239
<v Speaker 4>it herself in her own book. The woman who wrote

1144
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:09.800
<v Speaker 4>that book was not the real Marguerite Oswald.

1145
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 2>But that's a whole other story.

1146
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:12.039
<v Speaker 3>WHOA.

1147
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:18.199
<v Speaker 4>Yes, So that woman right there, that's that's that woman

1148
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 4>right there. That is the woman we're told is Marguerite Oswald.

1149
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:25.400
<v Speaker 4>That woman is not Marguerite Oswald. Oh yeah, that woman

1150
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 4>right there. I have tentatively identified as Amanth Voytier, who

1151
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.639
<v Speaker 4>was Marguerite Oswald's first cousin.

1152
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:32.960
<v Speaker 2>This is what I talk.

1153
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.960
<v Speaker 4>About in Lee Harvey Oswald in black and white. This

1154
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.519
<v Speaker 4>was an identity transfer operation. You see how she's wearing

1155
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 4>glasses and she has like a mole under her eye.

1156
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.159
<v Speaker 4>I have, like, I've got like a hundred pictures of

1157
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.719
<v Speaker 4>Marguerite Oswald, the real Marguerite Oswald, and there's no mole

1158
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 4>under her eyes. She never wore glasses. And this woman's

1159
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:51.440
<v Speaker 4>teeth are mangled.

1160
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here we go.

1161
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:54.639
<v Speaker 4>Bring up some of these Margarite cook on images this

1162
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:56.400
<v Speaker 4>click on images up top. You've got a whole bunch

1163
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:57.920
<v Speaker 4>of them. Let me see if I can pull out one.

1164
00:53:57.960 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 4>It's definitely not this. See, this is all the same one,

1165
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 4>and she's got glasses on in every picture. She has

1166
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.079
<v Speaker 4>like a mole under her eye. Scroll down, I'll see

1167
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.519
<v Speaker 4>if we can't find if any of the other contradicting ones.

1168
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Keep scrolling.

1169
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so none of these pictures here are of the

1170
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:21.440
<v Speaker 4>real Marguerite Oswald. Yeah, this is the This is Margarite

1171
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.800
<v Speaker 4>Osweld's first cousin. Her name is Ammon the Voytier. This

1172
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.320
<v Speaker 4>is another thing they've covered up because this is the

1173
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:28.199
<v Speaker 4>woman who everyone thinks is Marguerite Oswald. Do you see

1174
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 4>how mangled her teeth or look at that picture on

1175
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:31.559
<v Speaker 4>the in ther her teeth are mangled.

1176
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me see.

1177
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:33.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna have to dig up a picture here real

1178
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:36.199
<v Speaker 4>quick of Margarite, the real Marguerite Oswald, and it'll show

1179
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 4>you that that is totally a fake picture.

1180
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Let me see desktop.

1181
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.679
<v Speaker 1>So the like the high high majority, if not most

1182
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 1>of these photos we see online are not the real.

1183
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Right right? Yes?

1184
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.519
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that that woman. If I as soon as

1185
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:02.920
<v Speaker 4>I find a picture, let me Google search for it,

1186
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 4>because when you actually see the real Marguerite Oswald, you're

1187
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.280
<v Speaker 4>gonna be like, oh, that's clearly not the same woman.

1188
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. HER's okay. And then there's yes, Mama Oswald.

1189
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so here, I'm gonna screenshare this picture real quick.

1190
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 5>M hmm, okay, all right, it's sharing. I think it's

1191
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:44.840
<v Speaker 5>you gotta click on a button or something.

1192
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.360
<v Speaker 2>There we go. That woman right there, that's the real

1193
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Marguerite Oswald. Okay.

1194
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.119
<v Speaker 4>That woman is about five foot seven. Her husband there,

1195
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.440
<v Speaker 4>that's Edwin Echdahl. Uh, he's about six foot one or

1196
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.119
<v Speaker 4>six foot two. So she's a very tall, very thin woman,

1197
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:00.920
<v Speaker 4>and you can't really see it in this picture, but

1198
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:05.480
<v Speaker 4>her teeth are like perfect, yeah, perfect, It's like boop perfect.

1199
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.199
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's the best looking teeth I've ever seen. Okay,

1200
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 4>so then when you go back to then when you

1201
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.000
<v Speaker 4>go back to one of those other pictures, it's it's

1202
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:17.840
<v Speaker 4>not the same woman. And so it took me a

1203
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:18.400
<v Speaker 4>long time.

1204
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 3>So there I've found the yeah one. So yeah, her

1205
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:23.079
<v Speaker 3>teeth look pretty good.

1206
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:25.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the teeth are perfect. I got four I have

1207
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:27.519
<v Speaker 4>in my new book. I have four pictures of her teeth.

1208
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:28.719
<v Speaker 4>They're perfect.

1209
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.320
<v Speaker 2>This is not yeah, yeah.

1210
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.800
<v Speaker 4>This is her first cousin. This is amminth Voyta. A

1211
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:36.599
<v Speaker 4>guy named Robert Duran came out with a book a

1212
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:38.960
<v Speaker 4>couple of years ago that kind of came up with

1213
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 4>this hypothesis, and I kind of looked into his reasoning

1214
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:43.920
<v Speaker 4>for his hypothesis and I kind of debunked most of it,

1215
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 4>but it got me thinking and researching ammanth Voytia. And

1216
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 4>so the biggest evidence in the world is no, there's

1217
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.800
<v Speaker 4>no life history on ammonth Voyta. Her life comes to

1218
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:56.280
<v Speaker 4>an end in nineteen fifty six and nineteen fifty six

1219
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.719
<v Speaker 4>is a very significant year in Oswald's life because with

1220
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:04.360
<v Speaker 4>this duel Oswald scheme, the real Oswald and the real Marguerite.

1221
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.880
<v Speaker 4>When you look at the address history of Oswald, the

1222
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 4>first like seven ory addresses are all the real Oswald. Okay,

1223
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:14.760
<v Speaker 4>the real Lee Harvey Oswald and the real Marguerite is

1224
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:18.920
<v Speaker 4>the address record is accurate. That changes in nineteen fifty six.

1225
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 4>In nineteen fifty six, the official address history switches from

1226
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 4>the real Marguerite Oswald and the real Lee to this

1227
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.719
<v Speaker 4>woman here, and from nineteen fifty six onward, this woman

1228
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.639
<v Speaker 4>is Marguerite Oswald, the real Marguerite Oswald, and another is

1229
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 4>some more data to back it up.

1230
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.079
<v Speaker 2>There are people who knew.

1231
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:38.639
<v Speaker 4>Marguerite going back to the thirties who testify before the

1232
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:43.320
<v Speaker 4>Warren Commission and gave testimony about her. They also testified

1233
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.239
<v Speaker 4>that this woman, her name is Myrtle Evans, she actually

1234
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.039
<v Speaker 4>bumped into Marguerite working at Lerner's department store in nineteen

1235
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:54.440
<v Speaker 4>sixty one in New Orleans. That's not the official story.

1236
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.599
<v Speaker 4>The official story has Marguerite Oswald being a nurse and

1237
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:00.679
<v Speaker 4>working in Fort Worth and cities around text. This not

1238
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 4>being at Learner's department store in nineteen sixty one. Okay,

1239
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.679
<v Speaker 4>so yeah, there you go. There's some that's probably from

1240
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:08.440
<v Speaker 4>the two marquess probably from John Armstrong's work.

1241
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh Harveing Lee, Yeah yeah, okay, yeah.

1242
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:19.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's I mean, the teeth are totally mangled compared

1243
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 4>to the real Marguerite.

1244
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1245
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:24.320
<v Speaker 4>So the that's one of the things I'm gonna I

1246
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:25.840
<v Speaker 4>don't really have it on my agenda, but at some

1247
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:28.159
<v Speaker 4>point in time I have to dig into Ammath Voittier.

1248
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.239
<v Speaker 4>I need to go to New Orleans really and I

1249
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.800
<v Speaker 4>need to go and pull actual physical documents on this woman.

1250
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:37.599
<v Speaker 4>Because Ammath Boittier her address history. She only has one

1251
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:41.320
<v Speaker 4>address listed her entire life until nineteen fifty six, and

1252
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.000
<v Speaker 4>then her and then she disappears off the world in

1253
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.000
<v Speaker 4>nineteen fifty six. The same year at the address swap

1254
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:52.519
<v Speaker 4>with Oswald happens at the Collingwood address in Dallas. Okay,

1255
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.719
<v Speaker 4>So I'm trying to explain what took me years to

1256
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.400
<v Speaker 4>understand in like five minutes. So it's kind of difficult. Yeah,

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00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.599
<v Speaker 4>that's a great Okay, So I have to point something

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00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.119
<v Speaker 4>out here. Okay, so this is wrong. This is something

1259
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:05.199
<v Speaker 4>that John got wrong.

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00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 2>See that picture.

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00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:08.840
<v Speaker 3>This looks a little offs.

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00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the picture on the right. Okay, the picture on

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00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:11.199
<v Speaker 2>the right here.

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00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.239
<v Speaker 4>John Armstrong believed that that was a photo of the

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00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:19.199
<v Speaker 4>impostor Marguerite. He got that wrong. Okay, we kind of

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00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:21.000
<v Speaker 4>he kind of got it right. I'll tell you why.

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00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.360
<v Speaker 4>This is where it gets complicated. Between fifty five and

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00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Speaker 4>fifty eight, I can put Oswald in three places at once,

1269
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 4>not two three, Okay, I mean fifty five and fifty eight.

1270
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:32.760
<v Speaker 4>I can put Oswald in three different places at once,

1271
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.360
<v Speaker 4>one in New Orleans, one in Philippines, and one in Natsugi.

1272
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 4>And so basically scroll up again. That woman on the

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00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:45.000
<v Speaker 4>right is one hundred percent unquestionably the real Marguerite's sister.

1274
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 4>This is Lilian Morrette on the right, Lillian Morette aside

1275
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:56.320
<v Speaker 4>from Amminoittier. For some reason, she impersonated her sister between

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00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:58.920
<v Speaker 4>nineteen fifty five and nineteen fifty eight in New Orleans.

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00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:01.519
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why there was a guy named Palmer McBride.

1278
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.280
<v Speaker 4>Now at a time in late fifty seven, early fifty eight,

1279
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:08.079
<v Speaker 4>when Oswald is one hundred percent provably overseas in the military,

1280
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:10.679
<v Speaker 4>we have a guy come forward named Palmer McBride, who

1281
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.599
<v Speaker 4>worked for a company named Fister or Dental laboratory. He

1282
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 4>says he claims he worked with Lee Harvey Oswald between

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01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.519
<v Speaker 4>late fifty seven and April or March or April of

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01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:23.440
<v Speaker 4>nineteen fifty eight, and he gave John Armstrong such specific

1285
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:27.519
<v Speaker 4>details about his relationship with Lee, it's undeniable. He talks

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01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:29.880
<v Speaker 4>about going to the opera with Lee. And then when

1287
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.880
<v Speaker 4>John Armstrong cracked down the dates of when that opera

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01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:33.320
<v Speaker 4>was in town, it was only in town for two

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01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:37.679
<v Speaker 4>days during this time. It was like January of fifty eight, right,

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01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:41.519
<v Speaker 4>So Palmer McBride gave all this testimony that was all

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01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:45.039
<v Speaker 4>verifiable showing that Oswald was actually in New Orleans during

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01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:45.480
<v Speaker 4>this time.

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01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Simultaneously, I can prove Oswald was overseas.

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01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.320
<v Speaker 4>However, the woman who met Palmer McBride, who claimed to

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01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:55.679
<v Speaker 4>be Marguerite Oswald is this woman here on the right.

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01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 4>And that picture of the woman on the right is

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01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:59.960
<v Speaker 4>clearly a picture of Lillian Morett. I have another picture

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01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:03.800
<v Speaker 4>of Lilian Morrett. It's clearly her. So why would Lillian

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01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:07.679
<v Speaker 4>Morrett be impersonating her sister between fifty five and fifty eight?

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01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:09.800
<v Speaker 4>And I say, between fifty five and fifty eight, because

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01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.159
<v Speaker 4>fifty five is when they allegedly worked for the Dolly

1302
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:14.559
<v Speaker 4>Shoe Company. But when you study the Dolly Shoe Company,

1303
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.159
<v Speaker 4>it turns out there's no way in hell it was.

1304
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:18.840
<v Speaker 4>The descriptions of Oswald and his mother don't even match

1305
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:20.639
<v Speaker 4>any of this stuff. To me, it was pretty clear.

1306
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.159
<v Speaker 4>The description of the Marguerite Oswald working at Dolly Shoe

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01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.239
<v Speaker 4>is this woman on the right, who was Lilian Morett, right,

1308
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 4>but that picture on the left, that's the real Marguerite

1309
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.800
<v Speaker 4>that was taken in nineteen fifty seven. Her teeth are great,

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01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:37.440
<v Speaker 4>good the moment. Yeah, yeah, what does he have on

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01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:37.760
<v Speaker 4>this page?

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01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Scroll down a little bit more? Yeah, that was taking

1313
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:42.239
<v Speaker 2>it all. Yeah, this is great. This is the great comparison.

1314
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Look at those teeth nineteen thirty seven, forty five, forty two,

1315
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:47.639
<v Speaker 4>those are perfect teeth.

1316
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Look at that.

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01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:51.840
<v Speaker 4>Look at that picture here, that is that's gorgeous. I

1318
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:53.519
<v Speaker 4>wish I had teeth like that, you know, I mean,

1319
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:55.760
<v Speaker 4>that's amazing. And then you go when you look at

1320
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:57.239
<v Speaker 4>Marguerite's teeth now and they're like.

1321
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:57.960
<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about?

1322
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? So so what ultimately, what does this come down to?

1323
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:03.920
<v Speaker 4>This comes down to the fact that Oswald and his

1324
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:07.639
<v Speaker 4>mother were both part of naval intelligence. Going back to

1325
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:12.000
<v Speaker 4>nineteen forty one. We have another diversion here forty one.

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01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:16.559
<v Speaker 4>We have on Oswald's application to the Marines. Oswald lived

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01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:19.519
<v Speaker 4>in New Orleans until April of forty four, that's a fact.

1328
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.159
<v Speaker 4>But when he applied to the Marines, he put that

1329
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.559
<v Speaker 4>he lived in Fort Worth from nineteen forty one onward,

1330
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:27.760
<v Speaker 4>the same time period as this weird swaperus stuff going on.

1331
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.960
<v Speaker 4>So what does this mean? Who is this other Oswald?

1332
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:33.920
<v Speaker 4>So John Armstrong had kind of theorized that this other

1333
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:40.679
<v Speaker 4>Oswald was like probably European Eastern Europeans, spoke fluent Russian

1334
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:43.719
<v Speaker 4>as a child, plucked from a concentration camp, brought to America,

1335
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.360
<v Speaker 4>raised as Oswald, and then defected back to the Soviet

1336
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:50.800
<v Speaker 4>Union where he spoke fluent Russian. Okay, that is total bullshit.

1337
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.480
<v Speaker 4>I have completely debunked that story. That was when John

1338
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.199
<v Speaker 4>Armstrong died. That was a theory he was under and

1339
01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:59.360
<v Speaker 4>it's wrong. The reality is, we have numerous pieces of

1340
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:03.599
<v Speaker 4>data which would indicate that these two boys are brothers.

1341
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:06.480
<v Speaker 4>Actually I have a picture, just so the audience doesn't

1342
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.039
<v Speaker 4>think I'm completely crazy. I'll bring up this one photograph

1343
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:11.800
<v Speaker 4>just to make it brutally obvious.

1344
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:14.119
<v Speaker 2>What was going on?

1345
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.559
<v Speaker 3>When did when did John Armstrong die?

1346
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:20.719
<v Speaker 4>You know, early two thousands, I think, I think like

1347
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.440
<v Speaker 4>two thousand, two thousand and three.

1348
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Four or five, something like that.

1349
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:27.280
<v Speaker 4>So his work on Harvey and Lee is over thirty

1350
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.920
<v Speaker 4>years old. He did it in the nineties. It's starting

1351
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:36.079
<v Speaker 4>to have a recurrence. It's starting to come back. People

1352
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.360
<v Speaker 4>are interested because it's just obvious. It's just so obvious

1353
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:41.119
<v Speaker 4>that there was more shenanigans going on than they want

1354
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:42.519
<v Speaker 4>to tell us.

1355
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:46.159
<v Speaker 2>So here, I'll happy, here we go.

1356
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 3>I got it somewhere the book and the CD and everything.

1357
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Is all right. I got here. Take a look at

1358
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:56.480
<v Speaker 2>this picture best obvious as I guess.

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01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:58.519
<v Speaker 4>The top two pictures are the last two pictures ever

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01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.400
<v Speaker 4>taken of the real Lee Oswald. He was about five

1361
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.639
<v Speaker 4>foot eleven, He probably weigh one hundred and seventy five

1362
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:07.079
<v Speaker 4>hundred and eighty pounds, a distinctly different hairline from the

1363
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:11.960
<v Speaker 4>guy that we know as Oswald. So Armstrong called these

1364
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.599
<v Speaker 4>guys Lee and Harvey, and a lot of people think

1365
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:16.159
<v Speaker 4>this is kind of They think it's kind of tongue

1366
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:18.400
<v Speaker 4>in cheek, but it's not. When you go back through

1367
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:21.599
<v Speaker 4>the record, and I document this in my book, Oswald

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01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:25.480
<v Speaker 4>all through his life introduced himself as Harvey. I even

1369
01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:29.440
<v Speaker 4>have documents showing that the Oswald we know, the guy

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01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 4>who got arrested on November twenty second, ninety sixty three,

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01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:35.480
<v Speaker 4>he was introducing himself to Harvey as late as like

1372
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:39.719
<v Speaker 4>October of sixty two, right when he met with his

1373
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:47.360
<v Speaker 4>brother John Pick on Thanksgiving of nineteen sixty two. John

1374
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:50.559
<v Speaker 4>Pick hadn't seen his real brother in over a decade.

1375
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:53.840
<v Speaker 4>They tried to substitute the false Oswald for the real

1376
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Oswald at this meeting with his own brother and his

1377
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.079
<v Speaker 4>own brother, John Pick, he didn't buy it.

1378
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.079
<v Speaker 2>He knew it was Oswald, he told John Armstrong.

1379
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:05.079
<v Speaker 4>So John Armstrong questioned John Pick, and he's like, hey man,

1380
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.079
<v Speaker 4>you told the Warren Commission that the guy who showed

1381
01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:09.880
<v Speaker 4>up for Thanksgiving dinner wasn't your brother. And then all

1382
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:11.679
<v Speaker 4>John Pick would say to him was I stand by

1383
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:16.039
<v Speaker 4>my statements. He wouldn't elaborate, He just stood by his statements. So,

1384
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:18.599
<v Speaker 4>because there were two Oswald's and they were brothers, if

1385
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:19.960
<v Speaker 4>you asked me, they were brothers. And how do I

1386
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:24.880
<v Speaker 4>know they were brothers because in nineteen fifty three Oswald

1387
01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 4>Harvey Oswald at the bottom here, he will be picked

1388
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:29.280
<v Speaker 4>up for truancy in New York City. He will end

1389
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.239
<v Speaker 4>up going to see a guy named Milton Currian. Milton

1390
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:35.159
<v Speaker 4>Currian as a psychologist. Milton Curian says that Oswald made

1391
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 4>the following statement. He said, Oswald told him that when

1392
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:42.599
<v Speaker 4>they moved around a lot. He said, when they would

1393
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.960
<v Speaker 4>get to a new community, he had a lot of

1394
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:49.840
<v Speaker 4>trouble attending school, and that knowing that he would ditch

1395
01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 4>school often, his brother would go to school in his stead.

1396
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:56.920
<v Speaker 4>That's what he told Milton curi And his brother would

1397
01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:59.440
<v Speaker 4>go to school in his stead, making it even more

1398
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:04.519
<v Speaker 4>difficult for him to attend. Now this is mind boggling

1399
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:07.880
<v Speaker 4>because his brother that we know about is Robert Oswald,

1400
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:11.119
<v Speaker 4>who is six years older than him. And there's zero

1401
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:15.199
<v Speaker 4>possibility a teenager who's sixteen or seventeen is going to

1402
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:17.320
<v Speaker 4>be able to show up at school in place of

1403
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.519
<v Speaker 4>an eleven year old. Never going to happen, never, So

1404
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:23.760
<v Speaker 4>what brother is he talking about? What brother is he

1405
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.559
<v Speaker 4>talking about? Well, he's obviously talking about the brother that

1406
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:29.079
<v Speaker 4>we don't know about now. If he's his brother, what

1407
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:32.360
<v Speaker 4>is the possibilities There's only two scenarios that could exist

1408
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:36.920
<v Speaker 4>if they're brothers. One they're twins, and I'm kind of

1409
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:39.239
<v Speaker 4>moving away from that. The more I the more I

1410
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:41.079
<v Speaker 4>study this, the more I move away from that. As

1411
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:45.280
<v Speaker 4>opposed to being twins, you come to understand Marguerite Oswald

1412
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.719
<v Speaker 4>was kind of a hoe. Straight up, she was a hoe.

1413
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.519
<v Speaker 3>She got around show.

1414
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:54.639
<v Speaker 4>Faux show ho she cheated on. We have documentation she

1415
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:59.519
<v Speaker 4>cheated on all of her husbands. Okay, so, and this

1416
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:02.159
<v Speaker 4>guy's name is obviously the name Harvey. Where does the

1417
01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:05.280
<v Speaker 4>name Harvey come from? The name Harvey comes from. Robert

1418
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 4>Oswald's brother, Robert Oswald Senior had a brother named Harvey Oswald.

1419
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:13.159
<v Speaker 4>Harvey Oswald is the one who signed the certificate of

1420
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 4>live birth.

1421
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:14.559
<v Speaker 2>For Lee Harvey Oswald.

1422
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.000
<v Speaker 4>Because Lee Harvey Oswald doesn't have a birth certificate. He

1423
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.679
<v Speaker 4>was born and the next thing we know is five

1424
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:23.159
<v Speaker 4>days later we have two documents that are certificates of

1425
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:25.679
<v Speaker 4>live birth, kind of like Obama had right no evidence

1426
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:28.199
<v Speaker 4>of the original birth, but they swore Naff David that

1427
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:31.280
<v Speaker 4>he was born in a date and time. So Harvey Oswald,

1428
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.199
<v Speaker 4>the brother of Robert Oswald, was the man who signed

1429
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 4>off on Lee Harvey Oswald's certificate of live birth. So

1430
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:41.639
<v Speaker 4>if they're not twins, the only other possibility is that

1431
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:45.280
<v Speaker 4>this other Oswald is the actual son of Harvey Oswald

1432
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:49.599
<v Speaker 4>and Marguerite, meaning she banged Robert's brother and had another kid,

1433
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.239
<v Speaker 4>probably ten months or less than a year later.

1434
01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:55.480
<v Speaker 2>After Oswald was born. That's what I'm heavily leaning towards.

1435
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.599
<v Speaker 4>That would explain why they look so much alike, but

1436
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:01.159
<v Speaker 4>also explain the difference in height, because the guy who

1437
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:04.000
<v Speaker 4>got arrested on November twenty second, he's only five foot nine.

1438
01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:07.119
<v Speaker 4>I have a stack of documents showing that when Oswald

1439
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 4>left the Marines he was five foot eleven. Right, so,

1440
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:14.559
<v Speaker 4>and I don't think the Marines got it wrong. All right,

1441
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:15.320
<v Speaker 4>what do we got here?

1442
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:20.039
<v Speaker 3>I got a comment from the audience.

1443
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:22.199
<v Speaker 2>At what school?

1444
01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:24.279
<v Speaker 4>Or he only went to two high schools? And there's

1445
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 4>some major contradiction in the alleged schools he went to.

1446
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:31.479
<v Speaker 4>So we have contradiction over Oswald attending Warren Easton High

1447
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:37.800
<v Speaker 4>School and he attended Arlington Heights. According to the official story,

1448
01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.159
<v Speaker 4>he attended each one for less than a month, but

1449
01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:44.760
<v Speaker 4>that's not true. The official story says that Oswald attended

1450
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:48.520
<v Speaker 4>Warren Easton in fall of nineteen fifty five, and that

1451
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 4>he attended only for about three weeks and then he

1452
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.720
<v Speaker 4>dropped out, and then he just worked at the docks

1453
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:59.119
<v Speaker 4>until the next year, and then in what was October

1454
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.479
<v Speaker 4>of nineteen fifty six, he then joins the Marines. Well,

1455
01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:03.880
<v Speaker 4>we have major contradictions in this story. We can say

1456
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:09.079
<v Speaker 4>with certainty Oswald went to Arlington Heights where he's photographed

1457
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:11.199
<v Speaker 4>in the yearbook, and that was taken in the early

1458
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:15.159
<v Speaker 4>early weeks of the year in the nineteen fifty six

1459
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.279
<v Speaker 4>school year, probably late September, early October, because by October

1460
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:19.920
<v Speaker 4>twenty fourth he's in the Marines.

1461
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

1462
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:24.920
<v Speaker 4>The problem is that when Warren Easton High School sent

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01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:30.840
<v Speaker 4>their transcript from Oswald to Arlington Heights, it said that

1464
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:32.680
<v Speaker 4>he had been there for over a year. It said

1465
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.159
<v Speaker 4>he attended for over a year into the fifty six

1466
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:38.279
<v Speaker 4>school year. Oswald also claimed this when he spoke on

1467
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:41.000
<v Speaker 4>the Latin American Report radio show on WDS that he

1468
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:43.199
<v Speaker 4>attended Warren Easton High School for over a year.

1469
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:44.640
<v Speaker 2>But that's not true.

1470
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.159
<v Speaker 4>It's not possible that timing of him being over a

1471
01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:49.840
<v Speaker 4>year would contradict with him being at Arlington Heights High School.

1472
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.279
<v Speaker 4>And so we have this like three week overlap where

1473
01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:55.560
<v Speaker 4>Oswald is literally attending two schools at once. He's tending

1474
01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:59.520
<v Speaker 4>Arlington Heights. Yep, that's all. That's that is clearly Harvey Oswald,

1475
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.800
<v Speaker 4>not Oswald the man who was arrested on November twenty second,

1476
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.239
<v Speaker 4>the man arrested on August ninth and New Orleans when

1477
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:06.399
<v Speaker 4>he was handing out the flyers.

1478
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:07.520
<v Speaker 2>That's that guy.

1479
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:11.359
<v Speaker 4>The profile photo is a match identically, but that does

1480
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:14.800
<v Speaker 4>not match the other one. That does not match the

1481
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:17.720
<v Speaker 4>other photographs of the real Oswalt. So and we know

1482
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:20.439
<v Speaker 4>for a fact that Robert Oswald, Lee's brother is in

1483
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.760
<v Speaker 4>on this thing. Because we have Robert Oswald associating with

1484
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:27.560
<v Speaker 4>both of these Oswald's in their childhood growing up starting

1485
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.760
<v Speaker 4>around nineteen fifty three. We can prove that he was

1486
01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:35.399
<v Speaker 4>interacting with both sets of Oswald's starting in fifty three. So, yeah,

1487
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:39.119
<v Speaker 4>this this I would love to get a copy of

1488
01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:42.880
<v Speaker 4>that book. It pops up on eBay periodically for about

1489
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:46.560
<v Speaker 4>a thousand bucks. Oh yeah, yeah, it's a good one

1490
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:47.880
<v Speaker 4>to happen. I have a bunch of I got a

1491
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.760
<v Speaker 4>bunch of yearbooks for Jack Valenti, who was one of

1492
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:51.800
<v Speaker 4>the other shooters in Daily Plaza. I got his yearbooks

1493
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:54.239
<v Speaker 4>from like the University of Texas and Harvard and stuff.

1494
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:57.279
<v Speaker 4>So that stuff costs me a chunk of money. Yearbooks,

1495
01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:59.319
<v Speaker 4>I think are fascinating. There's a David Ferry yearbook on

1496
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:02.199
<v Speaker 4>eBay right now for about two hundred and fifty bucks.

1497
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:03.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh really.

1498
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1499
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.960
<v Speaker 4>So the story of the two Oswald is interesting because

1500
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:09.079
<v Speaker 4>the real because this travel, this goes all the way

1501
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:11.199
<v Speaker 4>through the Marines. So my book Lee Harvey Oswald and

1502
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Black and White points out all the contradictions in the timeline,

1503
01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:16.640
<v Speaker 4>all the documents to prove that this contradictions in the timeline.

1504
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.680
<v Speaker 4>Then my second volume is all about the Marines and

1505
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:22.000
<v Speaker 4>him being in the Marines because all this contradiction in

1506
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:24.800
<v Speaker 4>Oswald being in multiple places at once, it continues all

1507
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.880
<v Speaker 4>throughout the Marines, like literally continues all throughout the Marines.

1508
01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:28.720
<v Speaker 2>So what does this tell you?

1509
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:31.760
<v Speaker 4>It tells you that this dual identity is identity transfer

1510
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:34.239
<v Speaker 4>operation that started with Oswald probably going back to nineteen

1511
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:34.720
<v Speaker 4>forty one.

1512
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:37.039
<v Speaker 2>The Marines Marine G.

1513
01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:41.840
<v Speaker 4>Two a defense intelligence agency, all these weird naval intelligence

1514
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:44.960
<v Speaker 4>they were all aware of this dual Oswald scheme as

1515
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:46.600
<v Speaker 4>he was going through the Marines, because they went to

1516
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:48.159
<v Speaker 4>great lengths to try to keep them apart.

1517
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Strange.

1518
01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:52.479
<v Speaker 4>I know it sounds crazy, and I sound crazy as

1519
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:56.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying this story, but it's true. It's genuinely true.

1520
01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:58.880
<v Speaker 4>This is what identity transfer is. This is what the

1521
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:03.359
<v Speaker 4>intelligence community does. They create spies right out in the open,

1522
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.319
<v Speaker 4>and we just don't know what's going on. Oswald's marine

1523
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:10.520
<v Speaker 4>record is wild, is really wild. Like I said, I

1524
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:13.880
<v Speaker 4>can put him simultaneously in Atsuji, Japan, the Philippines and

1525
01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.800
<v Speaker 4>working at Fisterer Dental Lab, all in early nineteen fifty eight.

1526
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:22.199
<v Speaker 4>Explain that one I can't The person who I believe

1527
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:24.920
<v Speaker 4>was impersonating Oswald in New Orleans in fifty five to

1528
01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:27.079
<v Speaker 4>fifty eight, I believe was his first cousin, the son

1529
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:30.560
<v Speaker 4>of Lillian Morrett, because that woman who identified herself to

1530
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:35.159
<v Speaker 4>Palmer McBride clearly identified herself as Marguerite Oswald. So who

1531
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:37.479
<v Speaker 4>could possibly be the Lee Harvey Oswald that Parmer McBride

1532
01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:39.720
<v Speaker 4>was working with. It could not have been Harvey or

1533
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:41.720
<v Speaker 4>Lee because they were both in the Marines at the time.

1534
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:44.880
<v Speaker 4>And when you look at some of the photographs of

1535
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:48.159
<v Speaker 4>the real Lee Oswald, he looks a whole lot like

1536
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:51.399
<v Speaker 4>his first cousin, John Marshall Morett. So I'm kind of

1537
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:54.199
<v Speaker 4>the of the impression that John Marshall Morett was impersonating

1538
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.680
<v Speaker 4>Lee from fifty five to fifty eight, working at Dolly

1539
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.119
<v Speaker 4>Shue and a couple other places. And why would you

1540
01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:01.880
<v Speaker 4>have some other teenage who's younger than Oswald impersonating him?

1541
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Why would you do that?

1542
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:07.279
<v Speaker 4>Because you're you're training him, You're teaching him the business

1543
01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:11.279
<v Speaker 4>of intelligence. Because Lilian Morrette I found just last year

1544
01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.039
<v Speaker 4>two documents I found her. I found travel documents of

1545
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:17.880
<v Speaker 4>her flying to an Air Force base in nineteen fifty

1546
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:20.520
<v Speaker 4>four in Bermuda. She was there for six days. I

1547
01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:23.399
<v Speaker 4>then found documents from nineteen fifty five of her flying

1548
01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:25.479
<v Speaker 4>to Cuba. None of this ever came up in the

1549
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:29.800
<v Speaker 4>Warran Commission, not one time. Why would they overlook super

1550
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:32.720
<v Speaker 4>duper important stuff like flight records to an Air Force

1551
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.119
<v Speaker 4>base and flight records to and from Cuba. Why would

1552
01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:39.119
<v Speaker 4>they never bring that up. She's supposed to be a housewife,

1553
01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:43.800
<v Speaker 4>no job, nothing, housewife, but she's flying the Air Force

1554
01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:44.920
<v Speaker 4>bases and going to Cuba.

1555
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Screw you. She's a spook, right, And.

1556
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:52.520
<v Speaker 4>So obviously if you take into consideration the how they

1557
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.600
<v Speaker 4>run identity transfer, the fact they bring kids into this

1558
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.239
<v Speaker 4>identity transfer stuff, to me, it makes sense that she

1559
01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:01.079
<v Speaker 4>would have been training her kid to work in this

1560
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:02.800
<v Speaker 4>field as an identity transfer.

1561
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:05.560
<v Speaker 2>So why at Dolly Shoe? I don't know.

1562
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:08.000
<v Speaker 4>The fifty five time period of Dolly Shoe doesn't make

1563
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.079
<v Speaker 4>any sense to me at all. John Armstrong thought that

1564
01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:13.239
<v Speaker 4>Dolly Shoe stuff happened in fifty six, not fifty five.

1565
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:15.840
<v Speaker 4>But a lot of his reasoning is just bad. I mean,

1566
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:17.359
<v Speaker 4>John Armstrong got a lot right, but he got a

1567
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:21.199
<v Speaker 4>ton wrong. So these are now now let me just

1568
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:23.640
<v Speaker 4>point this out. I don't have this all figured out.

1569
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:25.880
<v Speaker 4>This is like the depths of what I'm working through

1570
01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:28.399
<v Speaker 4>over the next couple of years, you know. Like, to me,

1571
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:32.159
<v Speaker 4>this Oswald stuff is far more fascinating than the assassination itself.

1572
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.439
<v Speaker 3>It is already. It is very interesting stuff.

1573
01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Because it leads you to it leads you to the

1574
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:42.239
<v Speaker 2>greater intelligence world, you know, And what the hell were

1575
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:43.640
<v Speaker 2>they doing? What was going on?

1576
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Why have they got all these people impersonating people, and

1577
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.640
<v Speaker 4>then you got like Mary Haverstick put out her book

1578
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:52.479
<v Speaker 4>on June Cobb last year or the year before, and

1579
01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:54.920
<v Speaker 4>that whole book is about identity transfer, and June Cobb

1580
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:57.840
<v Speaker 4>had a June Cobb had a body double named Jerry Cobb,

1581
01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.000
<v Speaker 4>and the whole book is about the relationship between June

1582
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:00.640
<v Speaker 4>Jerry Cobb.

1583
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:03.560
<v Speaker 2>One was a spy, one was not. They borrow.

1584
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:06.359
<v Speaker 4>There's the thing, the identity transfer. There's a thing called

1585
01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:09.920
<v Speaker 4>an identity donor, and they'll take an identity donor and

1586
01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.920
<v Speaker 4>that person will give permission for their identity to be

1587
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:18.159
<v Speaker 4>used in a dual identity operation. So yeah, this is

1588
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:20.119
<v Speaker 4>just modus operandi. And it's just now getting to the

1589
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:22.279
<v Speaker 4>American people here in twenty twenty six that they did

1590
01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:24.600
<v Speaker 4>body double stuff and that Oswald was a part of it.

1591
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.079
<v Speaker 4>So this is why it's been so heavily rejected before.

1592
01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:29.960
<v Speaker 4>But my book is basically undeniable. When you read thee

1593
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:33.279
<v Speaker 4>Harvey Oswald in black and white, that's it. A woman,

1594
01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:35.359
<v Speaker 4>I know, that's the book that talked all about this.

1595
01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Interesting. That sounds that sounds like you have you read that.

1596
01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I have it.

1597
01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:44.319
<v Speaker 4>I have it, but I Okay, so I'm not a

1598
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.119
<v Speaker 4>big fan of how she writes. I've started reading in

1599
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:47.680
<v Speaker 4>her writing style kind of puts me off, and I

1600
01:15:47.720 --> 01:15:50.119
<v Speaker 4>just I'm like, I'll get to it later. Sure so,

1601
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.039
<v Speaker 4>but I have a bad tendency of using books as

1602
01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:55.399
<v Speaker 4>reference material as opposed to reading a book all the

1603
01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:57.159
<v Speaker 4>way through, you know, because I know what the book's

1604
01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:58.680
<v Speaker 4>about and where the things are, so I'll look for

1605
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:01.800
<v Speaker 4>specific details. You know, I extract a lot of details,

1606
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:04.800
<v Speaker 4>because almost every goddamn Kennedy book I read is full

1607
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:06.720
<v Speaker 4>of a bunch of bullshit, Like people don't understand what happened,

1608
01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:08.760
<v Speaker 4>they don't understand the relationships that play here, and then

1609
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:10.199
<v Speaker 4>when they start writing about it, they go off of

1610
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:12.520
<v Speaker 4>false assumptions. So I got to kind of like, it's

1611
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.079
<v Speaker 4>it's like the Kennedy world is a minefield of bullshit.

1612
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Really it is. It's very hard.

1613
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:18.800
<v Speaker 4>You got to be on this for years and take

1614
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:20.800
<v Speaker 4>it seriously to be able to determine what's bullshit and

1615
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:23.560
<v Speaker 4>what's not. And not that many people out there are

1616
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:25.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, stupid as me to waste their life on

1617
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:28.000
<v Speaker 4>something like this. You know, God, if I had done

1618
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:29.399
<v Speaker 4>something else, I've made a whole lot more money. I'll

1619
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:30.000
<v Speaker 4>tell you that much.

1620
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, you gotta do what you like, right.

1621
01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:35.880
<v Speaker 2>That is true. That is true. If nothing else, I

1622
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:38.520
<v Speaker 2>do what I like. Yeah, man, but I'm never gonna

1623
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:39.079
<v Speaker 2>get rich doing this.

1624
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:40.520
<v Speaker 4>I can tell you that much, unless someone wants to

1625
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:42.640
<v Speaker 4>buy my rights to make a movie off of So yeah.

1626
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:46.840
<v Speaker 3>Man, you never know that. You never say never. I

1627
01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:47.800
<v Speaker 3>would never say it never.

1628
01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that's interesting. I'll uh if I could find

1629
01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:55.479
<v Speaker 1>a like a cheap use copy, I'll check that out

1630
01:16:55.560 --> 01:17:00.239
<v Speaker 1>a woman. I know sounds interesting. But yeah, I I'm

1631
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:03.439
<v Speaker 1>like you. I if the writing's bad, it really turns

1632
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:03.880
<v Speaker 1>me off.

1633
01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:06.720
<v Speaker 2>So I don't like that.

1634
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Before we go, I guess maybe I know you talked

1635
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:12.760
<v Speaker 1>about it a little bit. I mean, we want to

1636
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:14.560
<v Speaker 1>get into some of the stuff that you're going to

1637
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:17.079
<v Speaker 1>be writing about in the second volume.

1638
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Of Yeah Yeah, so sure. So I'm about fifty pages in.

1639
01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I've kind of hit a wall. Not because of a

1640
01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1641
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.279
<v Speaker 4>Writer's block is a real thing, and it has nothing

1642
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:29.119
<v Speaker 4>to do with not having something to write. It has

1643
01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:30.560
<v Speaker 4>to do if you sit down and I go to

1644
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:34.439
<v Speaker 4>the keyboard and I'm like and nothing happens right, nothing

1645
01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:36.319
<v Speaker 4>comes out right. For like a month, I've been in

1646
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:38.439
<v Speaker 4>this dead zone, and I know what I got to write.

1647
01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:40.039
<v Speaker 4>I got the paragraphs in my head. I just go

1648
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:42.279
<v Speaker 4>to sit down and doesn't come out. So as soon

1649
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:45.399
<v Speaker 4>as that passes, this second volume really focuses on the

1650
01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:49.560
<v Speaker 4>contradictions within the Marines, and like it's right off the bat,

1651
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:53.159
<v Speaker 4>right from day one, this controversy over Oswald, and so

1652
01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Oswald signs up for the Marines in Fort Worth on

1653
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:58.640
<v Speaker 4>October twenty fourth. Two days later, on October twenty sixth,

1654
01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:00.720
<v Speaker 4>he's in San Diego where he start. It's boot camp.

1655
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.479
<v Speaker 4>Nobody knows how to hell Oswald got to boot camp, okay.

1656
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:06.920
<v Speaker 2>John Armstrong interviewed.

1657
01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:10.159
<v Speaker 4>John Armstrong interviews people on the train that took people

1658
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.840
<v Speaker 4>to boot camp, and no one remembered we're seeing Oswald there. Okay,

1659
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:15.199
<v Speaker 4>So we don't have any idea how Oswald gets from

1660
01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:17.960
<v Speaker 4>Fort Worth to boot camp. Then when he gets in

1661
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:21.119
<v Speaker 4>boot camp, the official story has him on paper with

1662
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:22.800
<v Speaker 4>like a whole bunch of guys, right, a whole bunch

1663
01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:25.039
<v Speaker 4>of guys who are said to be in his boot camp. Well,

1664
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:26.840
<v Speaker 4>then you go and you find stacks of documents from

1665
01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:28.920
<v Speaker 4>people who say, oh no, Oswald was in my boot camp.

1666
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:30.800
<v Speaker 4>I remember we did this and they give details about

1667
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:33.640
<v Speaker 4>Oswald and it wasn't the class that were told Oswald

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01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:37.920
<v Speaker 4>was in. Oswald was allegedly in platoon twenty sixty, I believe,

1669
01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:43.119
<v Speaker 4>but I have three or four documents from people who say, no,

1670
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:45.399
<v Speaker 4>I was with Oswald in this platoon over here, or

1671
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:47.760
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know Oswald personally, but I saw him and

1672
01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:49.760
<v Speaker 4>he was over in this platoon ten sixty eight or

1673
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:52.439
<v Speaker 4>ten sixty nine. He wasn't in twenty sixty. Right, So

1674
01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:55.079
<v Speaker 4>we have this right from the jump. From day one,

1675
01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:58.960
<v Speaker 4>controversy begins. Then we have a real major split because

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01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:02.079
<v Speaker 4>he goes to like Jacksonville to do a basic electronics course,

1677
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:05.279
<v Speaker 4>followed by going to Biloxi, Mississippi, where he takes the

1678
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:08.439
<v Speaker 4>Aircraft Aviation Control and Operator course, which is like a

1679
01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:11.760
<v Speaker 4>very rudimentary radar operator stuff. Because everyone says he was

1680
01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:14.439
<v Speaker 4>a radar operator, Oswald was not a radar operator. Okay,

1681
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.000
<v Speaker 4>to be a radar operator you had to do a

1682
01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:18.640
<v Speaker 4>thirty three week course. Oswald took the six week course,

1683
01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:20.640
<v Speaker 4>so he was not a radar operator. He was most

1684
01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:23.600
<v Speaker 4>likely a plotting board operator or a guy who serviced

1685
01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:26.800
<v Speaker 4>mechanically fixed radar units. So the whole story about Oswald

1686
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:28.880
<v Speaker 4>being a radar operator is bunk. So this is where

1687
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:31.039
<v Speaker 4>we run into another major contradiction. Because Oswald we have

1688
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:35.680
<v Speaker 4>a photograph of him graduating on June eighteenth, nineteen fifty seven,

1689
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:39.560
<v Speaker 4>from Biloxi and a warning operator course. However, we got

1690
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:42.279
<v Speaker 4>multiple statements from guys like Owen Dajanovich who are like, no,

1691
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.039
<v Speaker 4>I graduated their aircraft warning operator course with Oswald, and

1692
01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:49.079
<v Speaker 4>we graduated a week later on the twenty seventh or

1693
01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:52.159
<v Speaker 4>whatever the date was right. So it never ends. I'm

1694
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:55.079
<v Speaker 4>telling you, it never ends. And every single place where

1695
01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:59.520
<v Speaker 4>people knew Oswald you got people who knew him somewhere else.

1696
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.079
<v Speaker 4>This continues all throughout the three years three and a

1697
01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:06.119
<v Speaker 4>half years of the Marine Corps, and even on the documentation,

1698
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:10.279
<v Speaker 4>Like I have two different copies of Oswald's initial enrollment form,

1699
01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:11.840
<v Speaker 4>so when you get to the Marines, you fill out

1700
01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:14.239
<v Speaker 4>the paperwork and they sign off on it. I have

1701
01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:16.520
<v Speaker 4>two different I have the same form done twice in

1702
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:17.399
<v Speaker 4>two different handwriting.

1703
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Where'd that come from? Why does that exist? Yeah?

1704
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:24.159
<v Speaker 4>So, like it's just overwhelming the story. Never to duplicate

1705
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:25.800
<v Speaker 4>Oswald stuff. Never seems to end.

1706
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:27.119
<v Speaker 2>The last time.

1707
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:29.439
<v Speaker 4>Like the picture I showed earlier was Lee's passport photo

1708
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:35.119
<v Speaker 4>from nineteen fifty nine October September tenth, nineteen fifty nine,

1709
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:38.520
<v Speaker 4>taken in Los Angeles, that's the last photograph we'll ever

1710
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:42.399
<v Speaker 4>see the really Harvey Oswald. From what I can tell,

1711
01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:46.960
<v Speaker 4>the really Oswald is reassigned at that point, He's probably

1712
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:49.640
<v Speaker 4>given a new identity, and the man who went to

1713
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:52.720
<v Speaker 4>the Soviet Union unquestionably Harvey Oswald, the same man who

1714
01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:56.520
<v Speaker 4>was arrested on November twenty second, arrested in New Orleans

1715
01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.199
<v Speaker 4>on August the ninth, definitely the same man who was

1716
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.520
<v Speaker 4>in that photograph from the high school.

1717
01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1718
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:05.039
<v Speaker 4>So we have a clear distinct path of Harvey Oswald,

1719
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:08.079
<v Speaker 4>going through what schools he went to, going to Arlington Heights,

1720
01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:10.880
<v Speaker 4>joining the Marines, all that stuff. At the same time,

1721
01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:13.840
<v Speaker 4>we have a second parallel track of the really Oswald

1722
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:18.079
<v Speaker 4>that contradicts all that stuff his whole life up until

1723
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:21.840
<v Speaker 4>up until that September tenth. Because after September tenth, fifty nine,

1724
01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:24.680
<v Speaker 4>everything we know about the person we call the Harvey

1725
01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:27.479
<v Speaker 4>Oswald is actually Harvey Oswald. The man who introduced himself

1726
01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:29.880
<v Speaker 4>is Harvey to everybody who is the brother of the

1727
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:33.520
<v Speaker 4>really Harvey Oswald. I know it sounds crazy. It's not me,

1728
01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:36.520
<v Speaker 4>it's the government. They do this weird stuff, and they

1729
01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:38.960
<v Speaker 4>do it to why do they do it. They do

1730
01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:41.840
<v Speaker 4>it for a thing called plausible deniability, so they can

1731
01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:44.000
<v Speaker 4>deny that they had any active role in an operation.

1732
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:47.000
<v Speaker 4>They can deny the Harvey Oswald was in certain places

1733
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:48.960
<v Speaker 4>because he is documented as being over there.

1734
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:49.720
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean.

1735
01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.439
<v Speaker 4>That's the whole purpose of this stuff. It's spycraft, is

1736
01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:54.399
<v Speaker 4>trade craft. It's more proof the government never tells us

1737
01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:57.520
<v Speaker 4>truth about anything. And then I got a friend who

1738
01:21:57.520 --> 01:21:59.439
<v Speaker 4>studies Lincoln and he's like, this body, double's all over

1739
01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:02.920
<v Speaker 4>the Lincoln is fascination. So I'm like, and let's long

1740
01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:06.479
<v Speaker 4>before the CIA. That's naval intelligence all day long, you know.

1741
01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:11.119
<v Speaker 4>So naval intelligence is the most insidious organization, way beyond

1742
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:13.199
<v Speaker 4>the CIA, that no one ever talks about. I think

1743
01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:15.119
<v Speaker 4>CIA is kind of designed to bring attention away from

1744
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:18.239
<v Speaker 4>naval intelligence, who does the real underground intelligence work.

1745
01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Crazy, Yeah, yeah, it is. That's wow.

1746
01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, Corey, I really appreciate your time, and it was

1747
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>it was a pleasure to finally meet you. Before before

1748
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:36.119
<v Speaker 1>we go, though, can you let everyone know where they

1749
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:39.039
<v Speaker 1>can find you podcast all that fun stuff.

1750
01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:41.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you can go to Coreyhughes dot org. It's

1751
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:44.000
<v Speaker 4>got all my links and stuff. What my podcast is

1752
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:47.800
<v Speaker 4>core Hugh's Bloody History. It's a very Corey's Bloody History

1753
01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:51.800
<v Speaker 4>is very it's not a beginner level podcast.

1754
01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I just read documents.

1755
01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:55.279
<v Speaker 4>I got three hundred and something episodes of me just

1756
01:22:55.319 --> 01:22:58.479
<v Speaker 4>reading documents because then nobody can say no. Then nobody

1757
01:22:58.520 --> 01:23:00.520
<v Speaker 4>can have an excuse for not reading the documents because

1758
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:01.760
<v Speaker 4>the ain't gonna have to read them anymore. They can

1759
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:03.439
<v Speaker 4>just listen and they can get all the good stuff.

1760
01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:05.560
<v Speaker 4>So it's not really good for people who are new

1761
01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:09.079
<v Speaker 4>to the Assassination Study for it's expert level kind of stuff.

1762
01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:12.640
<v Speaker 4>But I do a substack. It's five bucks a month

1763
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:14.520
<v Speaker 4>for my substack, and it's all on World War two

1764
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:17.079
<v Speaker 4>debunking the Holocaust. I read a lot of World War

1765
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:21.439
<v Speaker 4>two books like my Lothrope, Stoddard and Murray Samuels and

1766
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:23.399
<v Speaker 4>a lot of that stuff, and that's all on my substack.

1767
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:26.600
<v Speaker 2>So that's about it.

1768
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.399
<v Speaker 4>I do Day zero on Sundays with Charlie Robinson and

1769
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:32.840
<v Speaker 4>Lindsay Sharmon and pretty much Charlie.

1770
01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love Charlie. That's awesome. Cool man.

1771
01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Well again, I appreciate your time, pleasure to meet you.

1772
01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to have you back, so let's touch Thanks

1773
01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:47.039
<v Speaker 1>to everyone in the audience, all the watchers and listeners. Please,

1774
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:51.119
<v Speaker 1>if you haven't already, please subscribe to the Divudenance podcast

1775
01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:55.159
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1776
01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:58.039
<v Speaker 1>well as Rumble Now. You can get the audio versions

1777
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:03.439
<v Speaker 1>on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts, so please

1778
01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.880
<v Speaker 1>check that out. And yeah, stay tuned. We've got more

1779
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:09.359
<v Speaker 1>stuff to come. And everyone take care.
