Speaker 1: This is a noncore performance of Always in Fashion.
Speaker 2: This show is produced and hosted by Mark Webber. The
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Speaker 2: Who is Mark Weber. He's a self made business executive
Speaker 2: here to help you find your success. From the New
Speaker 2: York City projects to the Avenue Montaigne in Paris. His
Speaker 2: global success story in the luxury world of fashion is inspirational.
Speaker 2: He's gone from clerk to CEO twice. Mark is classic
Speaker 2: proof that the American dream is alive. And well, here's
Speaker 2: your host of Always in Fashion, Mark Weber. Mark Weber.
Speaker 3: I've been called a character. I've been called a character again,
Speaker 3: and it's your fault. Your fault because I have to
Speaker 3: entertain you. Now leave it to me to blame someone
Speaker 3: else for my own behavior. Wait, I hear something, Mark,
Speaker 3: I'm your conscience. I have some one in my head
Speaker 3: talking to me. My little conscience is talking me and saying,
Speaker 3: you can't blame any one but yourself. Mark, can't blame
Speaker 3: any one but yourself. If that's the way you are perceived. Oh,
Speaker 3: you don't have to agree. But there is a reason
Speaker 3: we don't like humans, and that's that little voice in
Speaker 3: my head, and I want to get it out of
Speaker 3: the way. I became a radio and podcast host and
Speaker 3: entertain and make no mistake about it, I have to
Speaker 3: hold your attention. My motives might be pure, get a
Speaker 3: lot of listeners, drive consumers to the sponsor's product, help
Speaker 3: the ratings for the station and the podcast network. But
Speaker 3: I decided on this personality. I came out from behind
Speaker 3: the curtain. I forego being a recluse. I picked this style.
Speaker 3: I have to live with it. Now. I guess that
Speaker 3: little voice isn't through with me yet. But here's the frustration.
Speaker 3: Forty years climbing the ladder to the top of the
Speaker 3: corporate world PVH president, board member, CEO, no one would
Speaker 3: have ever called me a character. I wouldn't have made
Speaker 3: it eight years at LVMH, a CEO, member of the
Speaker 3: executive committee in Paris. Never a character style. Yes, was
Speaker 3: a scene, yes that I have a point of view, yes,
Speaker 3: but a character. Never they would say I was a
Speaker 3: person of character. I wouldn't have been hired, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have lasted a week. You are how you package yourself?
Speaker 3: Where have I heard, then, hmm? Being called a character
Speaker 3: now because I'm entertaining, because I'm promoting a show, I'm
Speaker 3: now a character. That it's not fair, Mark fairs for kids,
Speaker 3: Mark perception is reality. Well I don't accept it. Let
Speaker 3: me see those detractors who's so quick to call me
Speaker 3: a character? Perform a radio show and podcasts with original
Speaker 3: content thirty two type pages preparing me for getting this
Speaker 3: stuff that organized, interesting and insightful, performed as well. Good luck. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm sure all of you out there are great at
Speaker 3: your jobs. I was great at mine, and if you're listening,
Speaker 3: you know I'm great at this third career. You have
Speaker 3: no idea how hard this is to do. Character few.
Speaker 3: I've lived a life of being underestimated. I went from
Speaker 3: a good looking guy in a suit to a mature lightweight, questionable,
Speaker 3: incapable yep, all the while climbing the ladder, the small
Speaker 3: running back running through the offensive line, scoring the touchdown.
Speaker 3: And yes, those people were offensive, but I enjoy looking
Speaker 3: at them in my rear view mirror. The truth is
Speaker 3: disrespectful is disrespectful, regardless of how you package it. Sometimes
Speaker 3: I'll give it. It's innocent, sometimes it's arrogant, and it's
Speaker 3: definitely not fair. But like so many things in life,
Speaker 3: managing disappointment could be your road to success, and I
Speaker 3: often looked at it as opportunistic. I was often disappointed.
Speaker 3: I questioned the behavior of my fellow humans. I never
Speaker 3: accepted anyone dissing me or downplaying my role in corporate America.
Speaker 3: I certainly never accepted anyone disrespect to me. But most importantly,
Speaker 3: I respected myself. I knew who I was, I knew
Speaker 3: what I knew. Being underestimated for me was a superpower.
Speaker 3: I'll accept good looking guy in a suit if I must.
Speaker 3: At least I was good looking, even though you didn't
Speaker 3: think I had anything to go with it. But I
Speaker 3: knew when I opened my suit jacket unbuttoned my shirt
Speaker 3: that big Superman uniform was underneath it. But my uniform,
Speaker 3: my custom, was a logo with a big sea for confidence.
Speaker 3: So call me what you will, call me a character.
Speaker 3: I'm happy doing what I'm doing. I'm always happy, and
Speaker 3: there are lots of people who've benefited from Mark Weber
Speaker 3: along the way. That's my boy, Mau. There we go.
Speaker 3: The voice in my head talking to me again tonight.
Speaker 3: I have some stories to explain. Can you imagine a
Speaker 3: forty year career of excellence. It can't possibly be summarized
Speaker 3: as he's a character. They don't get it. Can you
Speaker 3: imagine the finest sophisticated, luxury European company in the world
Speaker 3: putting up with a character that would be out of
Speaker 3: character for them. I would bet the last word to
Speaker 3: describe me in that organization would be that I was
Speaker 3: and always am a serious, well thought out businessman with
Speaker 3: a track record of minimal mistakes. I put my record
Speaker 3: up against anyone. I'm well thought out. I'm understated considering
Speaker 3: the unintended consequences, always regarding my decisions. I was tough,
Speaker 3: very but fair a character. H I'll admit I was
Speaker 3: never boring. I have a personality. I smiled more than most.
Speaker 3: I've lectured and tutored more than most as well. Where
Speaker 3: are the people who stand up and talk Mark Weber
Speaker 3: that way, I lived a life being underestimated. In hindsight,
Speaker 3: I'd haven't know the way, don't know if I would
Speaker 3: have made it if the people thought I was a
Speaker 3: person to be reckoned with Corporately, while the others killed
Speaker 3: each other off. They set up the blocking and tackling,
Speaker 3: and I found a way to run through the holes
Speaker 3: from the backfield. I certainly was not boring. You couldn't
Speaker 3: help but see me, Yeah, good looking guy in the suit.
Speaker 3: Nothing upstairs except for those special few who recognized the
Speaker 3: simplicity in my execution, my uniform, the perfect tailoring, subtle colors,
Speaker 3: and peccable quality. Not so much standing out but being
Speaker 3: seen still. Often when I was in the room, the
Speaker 3: initiated would wait for those who they thought were the
Speaker 3: decision makers. I'm standing. They never dreamed I had the substance,
Speaker 3: but as a young man, I often had a cadre
Speaker 3: of older executives that actually worked for me and took
Speaker 3: their direction from me. I was serious. I played to win.
Speaker 3: I played for all the marbles. Go figure. This is
Speaker 3: what I'm being said now, often after it was too late.
Speaker 3: Then they saw me coming. Now that I'm irrelevant, Now
Speaker 3: that I can't defend my place in history, Now that
Speaker 3: I become an entertainer, and now that I seek sponsors
Speaker 3: and sponsorships, now that I have to put out front
Speaker 3: rather than behind the curtain, I'm a character. It's your fault. Hey,
Speaker 3: I almost get it if I didn't have a history,
Speaker 3: and you wipe the slate cleaning. Yeah, I'm different. The
Speaker 3: people that actually listen closely to the stories on the show,
Speaker 3: the lessons and the helping hand I offer, they'll find
Speaker 3: my brilliance. I listen to you. I agree with every
Speaker 3: opinion you take. I get written to every week. Your
Speaker 3: tire show is about common sense. I never understood until
Speaker 3: I heard you say it. I read your book. I
Speaker 3: give it to my son to read. I give it
Speaker 3: to my daughter. She loved it. You say, once in
Speaker 3: your life you were brilliant. I hear brilliance every week.
Speaker 3: Where are those people, the quiet ones, the silent majority.
Speaker 3: I know how much it means to me to be appreciated.
Speaker 3: But when I hear from the others, the snobs, the elitists,
Speaker 3: the boring, the uninformed, and the unwilling to consider that
Speaker 3: maybe they're not so smart and maybe they're not even
Speaker 3: in on the joke, this character gets pissed off. I've
Speaker 3: been called lots of things, arrogant, ego, maniac, self promoting, wrong,
Speaker 3: but I live with it. You can't be a leader
Speaker 3: without being seen and heard. You have to have an ego.
Speaker 3: You have to drive forward for that which you believe in.
Speaker 3: Not easy for a guy who self defines himself as
Speaker 3: a recluse. I can tell you that when you hold
Speaker 3: him high rank, you must have character. You can be
Speaker 3: a character or a man of character. I chose the latter. Hmm,
Speaker 3: now a man of a peccable character. My lawyer, my
Speaker 3: co host, my son, Jesse Webber.
Speaker 4: Well, you sound like you're a shot right out of
Speaker 4: a cannon right from the get go. So someone says
Speaker 4: you're a character, and you just go off the rails, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what we're talking about here, because what
Speaker 4: it's worth, a character is not the worst thing to
Speaker 4: be called a character, is It can be a person
Speaker 4: with a unique.
Speaker 1: Approach to the world, to life. I like the term character.
Speaker 3: Then you live with it. I don't.
Speaker 1: It makes you distinctive, it makes you unique.
Speaker 3: Then call me distinctive and call me unique. Characters used
Speaker 3: as a slight and it's disrespectful.
Speaker 1: You know what, You're a real character.
Speaker 3: Funny, where are you.
Speaker 1: Going with this? Are you just going to talk about
Speaker 1: the whole show? How you're insulted that people called you
Speaker 1: a character?
Speaker 4: Maybe you seem a bit sensitive. I never seen anyone
Speaker 4: treat you other than with reverence. So what if they
Speaker 4: call you a character? It doesn't change how people talk
Speaker 4: about you.
Speaker 3: It's like the show. This is a great example. Truck
Speaker 3: driver wrote to Wor I came across Always in Fashion
Speaker 3: by accident while driving. I really had no interest in
Speaker 3: listening to a show about clothes, but I stuck with it.
Speaker 3: I was amazed how interesting this guy, Mark Webber was,
Speaker 3: and the show is really about life, not fashion. I'm addicted.
Speaker 3: Now that's a guy. In my opinion, a truck driver
Speaker 3: is smarter than any ceo I ever met. Yeah, a
Speaker 3: point of view, Yet he was open minded, gave it
Speaker 3: a chance, gets my respect. That's tonight. A character or
Speaker 3: of character? That's what I want to talk about, Jesse.
Speaker 3: You see the difference.
Speaker 1: I see the difference. I get it.
Speaker 4: It reminds me very much of that scene in Goodfellas.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, just a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a funny guy. I'm here to amuse you.
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? He never want to be
Speaker 1: taken seriously. I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4: But you have to admit you on the radio are
Speaker 4: very different than the Mark Weber in corporate life. I
Speaker 4: think there's something to be said there. Your personality has
Speaker 4: not changed, but been amplified. You're playing a different role.
Speaker 3: Then say it. Don't give me a broad brush. I
Speaker 3: know I'm not a broadbrush guy. You want to say
Speaker 3: he's a character in the radio, I'll live with that.
Speaker 3: But for my entire career to be summed up in
Speaker 3: one sentence he's a character doesn't work for me.
Speaker 4: By the way, you think this is actually going to
Speaker 4: stop people from calling you a character, No.
Speaker 3: But the reality is this character or this man of
Speaker 3: character is using this as a format to have an
Speaker 3: important discussion, which I'm ready to start if you want.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 3: After three years after I started my career, I left PVH.
Speaker 3: Phillipson Using company to work at a small private label
Speaker 3: shirt company called Capital Mercury. I would guess they did
Speaker 3: maybe one hundred million dollars worth of sales. They would
Speaker 3: make all those products that you'd see in Macy's called
Speaker 3: Alfani or bar three. Those are private label, their store labels,
Speaker 3: and they would either buy them themselves or they buy
Speaker 3: them from experts. In this case, Capital Murkey was an
Speaker 3: expert shirt maker and they can compete with anyone's price,
Speaker 3: and they would buy the Macy's label from Capitol Mercury,
Speaker 3: They'd sell to JC Penny, they'd sell to Nortchum. This
Speaker 3: celt in the entire community. The only difference was is
Speaker 3: that they weren't selling brands and if they were below
Speaker 3: the radar anyway, make a long story short. I had
Speaker 3: a very close friend business associated. He was the president
Speaker 3: of a button company. His name was bud Winstrel, and
Speaker 3: bud Winstrel was one of those guys who saw me
Speaker 3: beyond the suits. Because when the time came to negotiate
Speaker 3: for shirt buttons, and the fact that I would not
Speaker 3: tolerate buttons that broke, and the fact that he'd have
Speaker 3: to go back to his factory and recommend to me
Speaker 3: only those buttons, he should be sure of that when
Speaker 3: people send their shirts out to be laundered and get
Speaker 3: hit by a hothead master press in those cleaning stores,
Speaker 3: those buttons wouldn't crack from that intensive pressure. He learned
Speaker 3: what I was all about when we negotiated. One day
Speaker 3: he comes to me says to me, I have an
Speaker 3: opportunity for you. Capitol Murcury would like to talk to you.
Speaker 3: They have heard of you. I told them about you.
Speaker 3: They're looking for someone, and I think you would do
Speaker 3: well there. Why don't you go talk to him? I said,
Speaker 3: I love it here. I'm doing great here. He says,
Speaker 3: it's not about that. Mark. You're a young guy. You've
Speaker 3: been here three years. As you prove to the company
Speaker 3: you're good. I think you'd have a great career here.
Speaker 3: But I assure you, if you went to Capitol Merkeley,
Speaker 3: they need you more than PVH doesn't. They'll pay you
Speaker 3: for it. So I went to Capitol Merkeley, and sure enough,
Speaker 3: overnight they more than doubled my salary. And as a
Speaker 3: young guy relatively starting out, I doubled my salary. It
Speaker 3: meant a lot to my wife and I and I
Speaker 3: decided to join them. To my credit, when I announced
Speaker 3: my boss that I was leaving the company, a boss
Speaker 3: that thought the world of me, knew what I was
Speaker 3: capable of, was so disappointed that I was leaving. I said, look,
Speaker 3: I'm leaving for money, That's all there is to it.
Speaker 3: I recognize that you have a pay structure here that
Speaker 3: you can't pay me what these people are paying me.
Speaker 3: I will be back to this company this is where
Speaker 3: my home is. I want to come back, and as
Speaker 3: soon as it's feasible for me and for you to
Speaker 3: work that through, we'll work it out. Just look at
Speaker 3: me as taking a leave of absence, and however long
Speaker 3: you need me to stay before I leave, I'll do that.
Speaker 3: And I stayed more than a month. I stayed five weeks,
Speaker 3: giving them time to find my replacement. Is that a character?
Speaker 3: Was that a man of character? I ask you? So
Speaker 3: I went to this company, Capital Mercury, And the reason
Speaker 3: I'm telling the story is the obvious character versus not.
Speaker 3: There were two people that I came in contact with.
Speaker 3: One was a loud, boisterous seller, part owner in the company.
Speaker 3: Thought he knew everything about the world, that had no
Speaker 3: disrespect for anyone but his customers, and whenever I needed
Speaker 3: to talk to him, I dreaded it. He was always
Speaker 3: so unpleasant, always so talked down to me. I'll never
Speaker 3: forget one particular time I had designed. I was a
Speaker 3: designer at that time, a range of casual sports shirts.
Speaker 3: They were big shirts, that was the style at the time.
Speaker 3: Capitol Mercury had never ventured in to that area I
Speaker 3: had experienced with my formal life. I designed a handful
Speaker 3: of them. That sales team showed them to J. C. Penny.
Speaker 3: JC Penny wanted to buy one hundred thousand units of
Speaker 3: these things. We had were negotiating the price. I think
Speaker 3: we're twenty five cents off, and I had to go
Speaker 3: talk to the SALESMANA just guy. Penny's in the showroom.
Speaker 3: I walked to his desk. He's on the phone. I'm
Speaker 3: standing by his desk. He turns around, puts his back
Speaker 3: to me while I'm standing at his doorway, and I said,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt, and he puts his finger out
Speaker 3: of my faces. Don't you dare ever interrupt me when
Speaker 3: I'm on the phone. And who do you think you
Speaker 3: are standing out of my desk waiting for me like this?
Speaker 3: Get lost? That's so mean. It's not even mean, it's disrespectful.
Speaker 3: He had no idea that in the showroom, I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there with an order and the sales executives. So I
Speaker 3: had to go back to the showroom. I walked over
Speaker 3: one of the cell you have to excuse me. I
Speaker 3: pulled him out, and he went over and said to
Speaker 3: them blah blah blah. He came into the showroom shook J. C.
Speaker 3: Penny's hand, did the deal, and left and never apologized
Speaker 3: to me. You want to talk character or the lack thereof,
Speaker 3: that's a great example. And I won't mention him by
Speaker 3: name because I had only even I want to give
Speaker 3: him the glory of being on the show. However, there
Speaker 3: was another gentleman in that company, one of the founders
Speaker 3: and owners. His name was Donald Cooper. May he rest
Speaker 3: in peace. Donald Cooper was a gentleman. He was respected
Speaker 3: and revered by all. As a founder, he came up
Speaker 3: with the concept of how to build this company, and
Speaker 3: he and another partner built a hundred million dollar company
Speaker 3: on their own with good people. And I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: When the time came that I did want to go
Speaker 3: back to van Usen, I had to go in and
Speaker 3: resign to him. I asked for an appointment. They got
Speaker 3: me in to see me immediately. I said, thank you
Speaker 3: for seeing me. Mister Cooper said, Mark, sit down, let's talk.
Speaker 3: What can I do for you? I said, mister Cooper,
Speaker 3: I have to tell you that the entire stay that
Speaker 3: I'm here, I was there for three months, everyone has
Speaker 3: treated me brilliantly. I really respect the company. I really,
Speaker 3: really enjoy my time here. But I have to tell
Speaker 3: you that I missed the van using company. I should
Speaker 3: have never left. I considered it home when I left.
Speaker 3: They didn't want me to leave, and I miss it.
Speaker 3: I missed the people, I missed the brand, I miss
Speaker 3: everything about the company, and I decided to leave. Donald
Speaker 3: Cooper got up from his desk, walked around his desk.
Speaker 3: I stood up. I didn't know what he's going to do,
Speaker 3: and he shook my hand and said, I can't tell you,
Speaker 3: Mark how happy I am for you. I congratulate you
Speaker 3: on your decision, walked away back to his desk, sat
Speaker 3: down and looked at me and said, now, how can
Speaker 3: I convince you to stay? Now? When you want to
Speaker 3: talk about a man with character, that's a man with character.
Speaker 3: And I learned that lesson from him, and over the
Speaker 3: course of time anyone who's ever resigned, I behaved the
Speaker 3: same way he did. There's one other thing I learned
Speaker 3: along the way. You never want to leave people understanding
Speaker 3: where they are with you. And because of that, every
Speaker 3: interview I ever held with anyone I ever interviewed, at
Speaker 3: the end of the interview, I did a summary. I
Speaker 3: was not interested I told them, so they can move
Speaker 3: on and not go home and wait hopefully for something
Speaker 3: that wasn't happening. If I wasn't sure, I told them
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure, and of course, if I was interested,
Speaker 3: I negotiated to conclusion. This is a story tonight. I'm
Speaker 3: a character or I'm a person of character. I'll take
Speaker 3: a break back in a minute. Always in fashion, my
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Speaker 3: time bought that brand. The CEO of the company handed
Speaker 3: it to me and said, you better make it work.
Speaker 3: And I put everything in my career to make EYESOD work,
Speaker 3: and I fell in love with that brand, and to
Speaker 3: this day it is one of the most exciting endeavors
Speaker 3: I've ever gotten involved with. Isod is an incredibly strong
Speaker 3: golf brand. If you play golf, if you play tennis
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Speaker 3: allows you to stretch, and very often they are treated
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Speaker 3: always fit. They'll never tug on you. You put it
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Speaker 3: was created. The strategy behind that brand is brilliant. It's
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Speaker 3: I should tell you about the man's sportswear. ISOD wasn't
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Speaker 3: ISOD is affordable. Everyone listening to me talk about this
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Always in Fashion. Here's your host, Mark
Speaker 2: webber Well.
Speaker 3: I've been spurred onarm this week because not for the
Speaker 3: first time, I've been referred to as a character rather
Speaker 3: than of character, and it drives me crazy. It's not
Speaker 3: the way I expect to be identified. Nor do I
Speaker 3: think it's respectful. I think it's downright disrespectful, particularly the
Speaker 3: way that word is used as a weapon. There are
Speaker 3: no flukes in business I didn't get to where I
Speaker 3: got by being a character, a wise guy, whatever it means.
Speaker 3: I had a lot to overcome when I think back now,
Speaker 3: I had the worst Brooklyn accent in a world of
Speaker 3: preps graduates from all over the country. I had to
Speaker 3: lose as much as I could of that accent, so
Speaker 3: at least I sounded a little bit more worldly in
Speaker 3: a global company. Then, of course I kind of look
Speaker 3: good and suits, so right away I was typecast like
Speaker 3: a dumb blonde, with all due respect to dumb blondes.
Speaker 3: As a good looking guy in a suit, I was
Speaker 3: taken seriously except by a select few who work closely
Speaker 3: with me, who heard what I had to say, who
Speaker 3: watch my work ethic and understood how hard I was
Speaker 3: and how serious I was willing to be work and
Speaker 3: get the job done. They didn't underestimate me, but the
Speaker 3: rest of the world did, and I learned to live
Speaker 3: with it. Now having said it, I wouldn't have it
Speaker 3: any other way because nobody saw me coming and I
Speaker 3: loved it, and I as much as I would think
Speaker 3: it was an affront at times, I also thought it
Speaker 3: was cute that I could standing in a room and
Speaker 3: nobody knew who I really was.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised at you, you know, I am surprised at
Speaker 4: you because for a guy who always says he doesn't
Speaker 4: care what anyone thinks of him, I don't care what
Speaker 4: anyone thinks about me.
Speaker 1: The whole show is about people calling you a character.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I thought you could care less
Speaker 1: what people think of you.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're right, but I am older now, I am
Speaker 3: in a different place in my life. I have a
Speaker 3: career history that was proven, that provided for everyone, that
Speaker 3: people benefited in and out of the company's family benefit.
Speaker 3: And I think I'm deserved of a little respect at
Speaker 3: this stage of my career, not the way I care. No,
Speaker 3: I'm doing a show here to make a point. Okay.
Speaker 3: I went to New York Law School, gave a brilliant speech.
Speaker 3: I talked for an hour and a half without notes.
Speaker 3: I brought tears, I brought laughter, I brought hope. I
Speaker 3: brought the American dream to all of these people, and
Speaker 3: one guy called me a character. Afterwards. I wanted to
Speaker 3: strangle them. All right, that's not it. Wow, I can't
Speaker 3: believe what this guy did. And by the way, you
Speaker 3: go out and make an address for an hour and
Speaker 3: a half and entertained the people. You pompous anyway, all.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, mister sensitive.
Speaker 3: I have a great story to tell. You know, here's
Speaker 3: an example of character and being underestimated that I want
Speaker 3: to tell. Part one has to do with a chain
Speaker 3: of stores, a three billion dollar chain called the May Company.
Speaker 3: The May Company was ultimately bought by Macy's and all
Speaker 3: their stores were turned into Macy's stores. But there was
Speaker 3: a store called Robinson's on the West coast, O'Neill's, Kaufman's.
Speaker 3: I became a young president, very young president. When I
Speaker 3: was thirty four years old. I was president of the
Speaker 3: van Us and Shirt Company. I had one hundred salesmen
Speaker 3: working for me at that time. Because this was before
Speaker 3: all retails consolidated and moved all their offices to New York,
Speaker 3: to Seattle, to Texas, or to Little Rock, Arkansas, or
Speaker 3: even Charlotte, North Carolina. There were offices of these independent stores.
Speaker 3: O'Neills was in Ohio, Kaufman's was in Pittsburgh, and on
Speaker 3: and on. There were hundreds of different stores. So you
Speaker 3: need a big sales force, and my head of sales
Speaker 3: was a powerhouse. He had that personality. I would call
Speaker 3: him a character. You went out to dinner withinmmy wed
Speaker 3: go and introduce him to the chef, and you have
Speaker 3: chef make special dinners for all of us. He was
Speaker 3: an amazing guy. And one day he said to me,
Speaker 3: we have to get on a plane. We have to
Speaker 3: go to O'Neill's and make company store. And I said,
Speaker 3: who are we meeting with him? He said, we're going
Speaker 3: to meet the chairman of the board of O'Neill's. He
Speaker 3: wants to meet our president. You're new to the job.
Speaker 3: He wants to meet him. We do a lot of business.
Speaker 3: He wants to meet you. Son. Off we get We
Speaker 3: flew out there and we went to his office from
Speaker 3: his assistant sitting outside, big desk, big office, and we introduced ourselves.
Speaker 3: She knew my friend the sales manager exec VP, and
Speaker 3: she let us in and said to the boss, these
Speaker 3: the people from van Usen. He said, oh great. He
Speaker 3: kept writing on his desk. So we sat down head
Speaker 3: of sales, my guy, me and we had our regional
Speaker 3: sales manager there while this guy was doing his paperwork.
Speaker 3: So this is going on now for five minutes. It's
Speaker 3: getting close to ten minutes. And finally I said to
Speaker 3: the salesman, he asked, what's going on. What's going on?
Speaker 3: So he gets up, he says, mister chairman, we're here,
Speaker 3: We're ready to begin. And he looked and he said,
Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for your president to show up. And
Speaker 3: little did he know it was me. And I loved
Speaker 3: it now that I wore as a badge of honor
Speaker 3: because he was shell shocked to see a guy so
Speaker 3: young the president of the company. And I'd like to
Speaker 3: believe for my own Ah, I'm not gonna be humble.
Speaker 3: I know at the end of the conversation he understood
Speaker 3: why I was the president. We talked about deliveries. We
Speaker 3: talked about prices, we talked about positioning, we talked about
Speaker 3: the Asia and importing. We talked about all these things.
Speaker 3: And I knew it called that's why I was president.
Speaker 3: But the fact that he never even dreamed this guy
Speaker 3: in this suit in this case. It was cute, it
Speaker 3: was fun, it was non intentional, and I loved it.
Speaker 3: Going back a while, I remember within the company there
Speaker 3: was another independent entrepreneur, a guy named Danny Kaisman, who
Speaker 3: built a out ofwear factory in Vansville, Illinois. Wow, how
Speaker 3: do I remember that? Anyway, he asked my boss and
Speaker 3: I to fly out with him walk through the factory
Speaker 3: because he wanted to sell out ofwear even though he
Speaker 3: was owned by Phillips Venues in Corporation. He thought the
Speaker 3: van Us and Company could buy his out ofwear and
Speaker 3: sell a lot of it through our channel, so we
Speaker 3: would sell shirts and sportswear in his out ofwear. We
Speaker 3: went to look at his factory and it was impressive.
Speaker 3: I had been at this point to a number of factories,
Speaker 3: not very many in the United States because they were
Speaker 3: closing faster than wee can import. And here I was.
Speaker 3: We walked through. I knew the questions to ask, which
Speaker 3: sewing areas to walk up to ask questions of the sewers.
Speaker 3: I understood packaging. I was as I say now, and
Speaker 3: I'll always say, I don't know if I was smart,
Speaker 3: that's for others to decide, but I know I was
Speaker 3: well trained. And at the end of this, he was
Speaker 3: looking at me and he was saying to me, hmm,
Speaker 3: he's looking at me different. That night we had dinner.
Speaker 3: We were talking about a lot of things, and finally
Speaker 3: he looks at my boss and he says to my boss,
Speaker 3: you understand who this guy is. And my boss, Robert Solomon,
Speaker 3: who's one of my great mentors of all times, he said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know he is, but you didn't. He says, you're right.
Speaker 3: He said, I heard about him in the compare. I
Speaker 3: heard he was a decent guy. I heard he's smart.
Speaker 3: You know. I have to say, Mark, Yeah, good looking guy.
Speaker 3: You wear all these fancy clothes, I said, They're not
Speaker 3: really fancy if you look him, they're well made. I'm
Speaker 3: wearing a navy blue shuit, a white shirt, a navy tie,
Speaker 3: black shoes. Yes, I'm wearing French cuffs. You could say,
Speaker 3: but it's not fancy. It's just elegant. He says. You know, Mark,
Speaker 3: you're right, but he's That's what I want to say
Speaker 3: to you. I said, Now, I understand who you are.
Speaker 3: I understand that while everyone else is writing you off,
Speaker 3: while you're not being taken seriously, you're going to end
Speaker 3: up running this company someday. I am convinced of it.
Speaker 3: And I would just say to you, continue the way
Speaker 3: you're going, speak very softly, but carry that big stick.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was remarkable and I loved it
Speaker 3: as time went on. He was right. People weren't taking
Speaker 3: me serious. When they started to they realized there was
Speaker 3: someone to be reckoned with. They realized that I was serious,
Speaker 3: that I was willing to outwork anyone. More importantly than
Speaker 3: outworking anyone, I was learning everything that was to learn.
Speaker 3: If you were the head of information technology, when you
Speaker 3: showed up in a room or a corporate function, I
Speaker 3: would sit next to the head of information technology. Explain
Speaker 3: to me how our computer system works. Explain to me
Speaker 3: how we're going to ship and fill in inventory when
Speaker 3: we have basics on the floor. If you have a
Speaker 3: basic white shirt and you sell out in size fifteen
Speaker 3: and a half, how do I get it back on
Speaker 3: the floor. I was learning everything. Most people didn't even
Speaker 3: know the questions to ask, and yet I was asking them.
Speaker 3: And I was someone to be reckoned with. And I
Speaker 3: started to grow very rapidly at the expense of other people.
Speaker 3: There's no flukes in business. Those who people have to
Speaker 3: get to the top will get there. The system works.
Speaker 3: It's always been fair. I always found it. This is
Speaker 3: the American dream. Everyone's given a fair chance. Those that
Speaker 3: excel excel, And in spite of the fact that perhaps
Speaker 3: people wouldn't take me seriously. They had no alternative when
Speaker 3: they heard me speak, and they watched me work. As
Speaker 3: time went on, I'll never forget I was so young,
Speaker 3: you know again, I was thirty four years old. I
Speaker 3: was a president of big company. As time went on,
Speaker 3: I started to become a corporate executive and my boss,
Speaker 3: the president of the corporation, had decisions to make. And
Speaker 3: one day he looked at me and said, I'm never
Speaker 3: going to hire anyone who doesn't work for you. And
Speaker 3: no matter what their job is, no matter what their
Speaker 3: age is, Mark, They're going to report to you. They
Speaker 3: may not like it at first, but I am confident
Speaker 3: that once they're reporting to you, they're going to understand why.
Speaker 3: But you have to step up. You have to do
Speaker 3: the right thing. You have to be professional at every turn.
Speaker 3: You have to understand that these people's futures, in their
Speaker 3: livelihood and large part will depend on you if they
Speaker 3: work for you. You have to be tough or fair.
Speaker 3: You have to understand that they have lives, they have families.
Speaker 3: They have to be able to have time at work
Speaker 3: and time at home. They have to know when they
Speaker 3: walk in your office that they're going to be a
Speaker 3: serious guy sitting across the table helping them problems. But
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this and they'll never be a
Speaker 3: question ever again about who you are in this company.
Speaker 3: So I say to you after that, when I'm minding
Speaker 3: my own business, I'm on the radio, hopefully teaching you lessons,
Speaker 3: making you better. If you replay this show slowly for
Speaker 3: your significant other, your sons, your daughters, your father, your grandma,
Speaker 3: I don't care. There's a lot to be learned about
Speaker 3: what I just said. Now. It's cleverly disguised as a conversation,
Speaker 3: but if you're drilled down and listen, there's some real,
Speaker 3: real important stuff in this show. And of course I've
Speaker 3: been on for seven years, so give me a break.
Speaker 3: Don't call me a character. I'm a man of character.
Speaker 3: I'll take a break back in a minute.
Speaker 2: Always in fashion.
Speaker 3: Than a lifetime of my career building the Van eusten Brand,
Speaker 3: and I am so pleased that they're back with us
Speaker 3: now talking about suits, men were dressing up again, and
Speaker 3: it's because cool to wear a suit. Suits can be
Speaker 3: won on multiple ocasions, in multiple ways. You could wear
Speaker 3: a suit formally to go out at night or to
Speaker 3: an event, to wear a suit to the office with
Speaker 3: or without a tie. If you look closely, now fashion
Speaker 3: trends suits are being worn with turtlenecks or mark next.
Speaker 3: The choices are endless and every one of them looks right.
Speaker 3: You could really really look the part. I believe that
Speaker 3: in packaging yourself this is important. Does the products you
Speaker 3: package and wearing a suit is one of those things
Speaker 3: that make men look their best. Venues and invented a
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Speaker 3: it makes it perfect for all occasions. As we discussed
Speaker 3: just now, this new style of looking sharp while feeling
Speaker 3: cool and comfortable is amazing and I am so excited
Speaker 3: that the ven Using company involved in this new technology
Speaker 3: and is embracing the whole idea of dressing up. Let's
Speaker 3: not forget van Using made its name with dreads shirts.
Speaker 3: It's only proper that the soup business follows strongly in
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Speaker 3: stretch suits at Jacpenny or online at jcpenny dot com guys.
Speaker 3: They're great. You should go look at them.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Always in Fashion. Here's your host, Mark Webber.
Speaker 3: Tonight, I am discussing character. I suppose of character that
Speaker 3: I view myself as a person of character, a serious
Speaker 3: guy wants to do the right thing. But I got
Speaker 3: into someone calling me a character. He's a character, and
Speaker 3: that drives me crazy. I'm crazed over it that after
Speaker 3: everything I've accomplished in my career, this is what I'm
Speaker 3: being known for a character. Anyway, you probably haven't heard
Speaker 3: much about this from me, Jesse.
Speaker 1: No, I've always said it.
Speaker 4: I've only known you, like at the height of your career,
Speaker 4: the success of your career, when you already made it
Speaker 4: to the top. So the idea that you've been underestimated
Speaker 4: and people didn't think so highly of you, or they
Speaker 4: didn't realize who you were, what you were capable of.
Speaker 4: A lot of this is new stories to me. I
Speaker 4: learned a lot about you since you started the radio show,
Speaker 4: and we've been hearing all these stories. But what's interesting
Speaker 4: is that in my current career, I'm kind of feeling
Speaker 4: some of the things that you've been going through For me.
Speaker 4: I'm not a traditional broadcaster. I didn't go to journalism school.
Speaker 4: So when I'm trying to audition for these jobs as
Speaker 4: an anchor, or a reporter or a host, I'm met
Speaker 4: with such skepticism. I met with such Well, you know
Speaker 4: you didn't go you didn't start off in a local market.
Speaker 4: You didn't go to this school. I said, yeah, but
Speaker 4: I'm an attorney. I've been anchoring for the past seven
Speaker 4: years on law and crime and these other projects. Give
Speaker 4: me a shot, give me a shot, see what I
Speaker 4: can do. And every time I do something new, I
Speaker 4: always have to deliver and hit it out of the park.
Speaker 4: I have to prove people wrong. I say to them,
Speaker 4: give me the shot. I won't let you down. So
Speaker 4: it's this kind of underestimating because I didn't I don't
Speaker 4: have the traditional pedigree like other people.
Speaker 1: I always feel like an underdog.
Speaker 3: You know. It's funny throughout my career. When I became
Speaker 3: a vice president, I wasn't jumping up and down. I
Speaker 3: was proud, you know, Mommy and I was celebrated, and
Speaker 3: at one point she said, you don't look happy you
Speaker 3: just became a vice president. I said, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: I'm happy. I'm a vice president, but I should be
Speaker 3: a senior vice president and she's you know, I can't
Speaker 3: believe you. You're never happy. And throughout the entire course of
Speaker 3: my career senior vice president, executive vice president, president division,
Speaker 3: then until I got up to president of the company,
Speaker 3: till I got my board seat, I was never really satisfied.
Speaker 3: It was hard to enjoy because every step along the
Speaker 3: way was a fight and just the way it is.
Speaker 3: And sure you're seeing it, and it really bothers me
Speaker 3: to see you go through it. But it's part of
Speaker 3: life and you're doing just fine. So I guess that's
Speaker 3: pretty cool and of itself.
Speaker 1: Well, we're on this journey together, you and me.
Speaker 4: You're like my manager, So anytime I go through this stuff,
Speaker 4: you tell me how to think about it. We're in
Speaker 4: it together, trying to become successful in the broadcast media industry.
Speaker 3: I love watching your jaw drop when I talk to
Speaker 3: people and I give it to them.
Speaker 4: Well, I will say, I will say, there's so many
Speaker 4: things that you can say and do that I can't.
Speaker 4: I'm always like, this would be better coming from you.
Speaker 3: I want you to handle this.
Speaker 4: You just know how to say things in a certain way.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's an authority. Maybe it's the way that you
Speaker 4: break it down, but you always say things to.
Speaker 1: People in a way. I just can't do it, at
Speaker 1: least not at this point in my life.
Speaker 3: How about your car breaking down in the garage and
Speaker 3: me talking to the manager. You don't want to tell
Speaker 3: that story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my car broke down in the garage.
Speaker 4: I keep it in New York City, and it was
Speaker 4: a situation where okay, how do I get it started?
Speaker 1: And how do I bring it to a shop?
Speaker 4: And I was saying, all right, maybe I have to
Speaker 4: call Triple A and wait for them. And that becomes
Speaker 4: a whole headache. And so you said to me, well,
Speaker 4: why don't you ask the guy in the garage to
Speaker 4: jumpstart it? And I was told, well, he won't do
Speaker 4: it because they're afraid of damaging the car. They don't
Speaker 4: want to be responsible. You said, let me take care
Speaker 4: of it. You come down to the garage, you go
Speaker 4: to the manager. You go listen, my son's car is
Speaker 4: not working. I need you to jump start it.
Speaker 1: Take care of you.
Speaker 4: He said, listen, Sorry, I understand, but we don't want
Speaker 4: to be responsible. If we go in, we start the car,
Speaker 4: we damage something, We don't want to damage the internal
Speaker 4: computer of the car, the mechanics of it. We don't
Speaker 4: want to be responsible for that. And then you said, listen,
Speaker 4: I want to give you my word of honor. I've
Speaker 4: been a customer of this garage for years. I am
Speaker 4: telling you this right now.
Speaker 1: I will not.
Speaker 4: Hold you responsible if anything happens to the car. Just
Speaker 4: please get it jump started. I'll take care of you
Speaker 4: and we'll take it from there. And he was like okay,
Speaker 4: and took care of it. I don't think they would
Speaker 4: have done that for me.
Speaker 1: They did it free well.
Speaker 3: And on top of which, what I did for you
Speaker 3: is I found you a ranger over a dealership in Manhattan,
Speaker 3: called them, set up an appointment for you the first
Speaker 3: thing the next day, and boom, took care of business. Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm proud of that. You're my son. Anyway. That's why
Speaker 3: I object to being called a character, which is the
Speaker 3: theme tonight, versus a man of character. And I want
Speaker 3: to talk to you about my stay at LVMH. I
Speaker 3: can assure you that the finest luxury company in the world,
Speaker 3: with some of the smartest people who've went to the
Speaker 3: smartest colleges in the business world, to prepare them for
Speaker 3: a career at luxury at LVMH hired me and made
Speaker 3: me part of their team. You've heard, I've had all
Speaker 3: kinds of titles. They sat on the executive committee in Paris,
Speaker 3: I was a CEO in the States. They wouldn't have
Speaker 3: done it unless I came across the right way. And
Speaker 3: during the course of my time, it was really fascinating
Speaker 3: how I behave there and why I had what I
Speaker 3: thought it was and a great relationship. I went there
Speaker 3: for the honor of working there. My idea was whatever
Speaker 3: I could do to help them is what I wanted
Speaker 3: to do. It wasn't about what was good for me.
Speaker 3: I wasn't looking for money. I already had all the
Speaker 3: money I would need, and of course they were more
Speaker 3: than fair. But I wasn't about money. I also felt
Speaker 3: the responsibility of being an American executive. You know, in
Speaker 3: the past, I was an American executive. I traveled all
Speaker 3: over the world. I was an American. I walked into
Speaker 3: a room, I had that American smile, American swagger on
Speaker 3: my face. I did what I wanted to do as
Speaker 3: as a representative of an American company in the world.
Speaker 3: But here I was an American executive withinside a French company,
Speaker 3: and my responsibility was different now because I was representing
Speaker 3: Europeans and I had to change my divena and it
Speaker 3: was very, very aware that I had to play by
Speaker 3: European rules and by the way and the culture of
Speaker 3: the European company. And I did. And I'd like to
Speaker 3: tap myself on the shoulder because I was really smart
Speaker 3: about it and I knew what was important. Let's go
Speaker 3: back PDH. We had a management team of twenty six people.
Speaker 3: Of those twenty six people, this is not the board,
Speaker 3: this is the internal group of people. Of those twenty
Speaker 3: six people, I would say five maybe six were exceptional.
Speaker 3: At LVMH. I never met anyone who wasn't exceptional. It
Speaker 3: was an incredible group of people. And you should not
Speaker 3: be surprised when you consider again largest luxury company in
Speaker 3: the world. When I was there, they had sixty two brands.
Speaker 3: They have brands from making ships, they had newspaper brands,
Speaker 3: They have all the finest luxury brands, Viton Di Yorgovanci,
Speaker 3: they owned Sephora, they bought Tiffany. This is an incredible company,
Speaker 3: so you shouldn't be surprised at the caliber of people,
Speaker 3: and I was aware of it, and I tempered myself
Speaker 3: to be aware of it. I wanted them to see
Speaker 3: me as a man of character. I virtually never asked
Speaker 3: for anything of myself until it was funny. I'd been
Speaker 3: with the company three years, and in three years time,
Speaker 3: there was never a conversation about a raise. So one
Speaker 3: day I said to the managing director, the president of
Speaker 3: the company, you know, I never mentioned it to you,
Speaker 3: but if I had an executive that I really liked
Speaker 3: and was doing a good job and he was performing,
Speaker 3: I might want to consider giving him a raise. And
Speaker 3: he looked at me and he said, I've been here
Speaker 3: three years, I've never said a word. He laughed, and
Speaker 3: he says, you're right. And of course I got a raise,
Speaker 3: a nominal one. The French don't give money the way
Speaker 3: we do. But my relationship with them was based on
Speaker 3: recognizing what kind of company it was, what kind of
Speaker 3: people I was dealing with, and the fact that this
Speaker 3: was company of substance and of character. And on a
Speaker 3: week I'm discussing someone calling me a character. It has
Speaker 3: me incensed, but I'm calming down because I'm getting to
Speaker 3: tell you this story with that as a backdrop, I'll
Speaker 3: come back, is he a character or is he a
Speaker 3: person of character? Back in a minute.
Speaker 2: Always in fashion.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Always in Fashion. Here's your host, Mark Webber.
Speaker 3: Tonight, I'm discussing the difference between someone being called a
Speaker 3: character or someone of character. I love being surprised by people.
Speaker 3: Love it. I love it, love it, love it. I
Speaker 3: watched the New York Yankees. I watch Aaron Boone. I
Speaker 3: think of him as a blue collar kind of guy.
Speaker 3: He's manager of a baseball team. And then I watch
Speaker 3: him manage and I listen to it the way he
Speaker 3: has to say, and I listen how he takes every negatives,
Speaker 3: puts a positive spin. He tells the truth, yet he
Speaker 3: gives hope, and he gives information brilliantly. I've been watching
Speaker 3: the NBA Finals and someone called out on one of
Speaker 3: the shows Steve Kerr's conversation about in the huddle on
Speaker 3: the final game of one of the championships, he played
Speaker 3: alongside Michael Jordan. I want to play it for you now.
Speaker 1: When we call time out with twenty five seconds to.
Speaker 4: Go, we went into the huddle and Phil told Michael.
Speaker 1: He said, Michael, I want you to take the last shot.
Speaker 1: And Michael said, you know, Phil, I don't feel real
Speaker 1: comfortable in these situations, So maybe we ought to go
Speaker 1: in another direction.
Speaker 3: Why don't we go to Steve? So I thought to myself.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I gotta bail Mike ro out again.
Speaker 2: The shot went in.
Speaker 3: And that's my story and I'm sticking to it. And
Speaker 3: I love that line. That's my story and I'm sticking
Speaker 3: to it because it's it's real. We all get to
Speaker 3: do what we need to do, we all get to
Speaker 3: behave a certain way. I wrote two books, the serious books,
Speaker 3: always in Fashion, the name Sam Book, and yet people
Speaker 3: are calling me a character. Maybe it's just being on
Speaker 3: the radio and being a podcast. I don't know who
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan Joe Rogan? Is he a character? Jesse?
Speaker 4: He's got a very big personality, strong opinions, you know,
Speaker 4: believes in aliens, he does UFC, does comedy.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit of everything. I would say as
Speaker 1: a character.
Speaker 3: Well, what do you mean when you say he's a character?
Speaker 4: I say, somebody that stands out with a big personality
Speaker 4: and has a point of view and they're.
Speaker 1: Not a caricature but almost a caricature.
Speaker 3: Tucker Colson, is he a character? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, put it this way.
Speaker 4: I think a character is somebody that you could do
Speaker 4: an SNL impression of, would that be fair?
Speaker 3: Like Trump? Like Trump?
Speaker 1: Trump is a character?
Speaker 3: It's tonight's show. As I told you, I was called
Speaker 3: a character, and I am angry and at the same
Speaker 3: time recognize that perception's reality. The only problem I have
Speaker 3: with it is I'm being judged by being a radio
Speaker 3: personality right now, rather than on the substance that I
Speaker 3: put in the first forty years of my career. In
Speaker 3: my life. You know, in life, you get to choose you.
Speaker 3: You get to change if you want to. You can't
Speaker 3: control what's said about you. I dress well, I have
Speaker 3: impeccable tastes. I'm noticed when I walk into a room.
Speaker 3: I can be charming when I want to be, but
Speaker 3: I do it in spurts. I don't want to be
Speaker 3: very often. My favorite line is when I'm talking to someone,
Speaker 3: I've run out of charming, It's now time to leave you.
Speaker 3: I've worked odd, I've distinguished myself. I'm more unique than commonplace.
Speaker 3: I've treated people fairly and have helped many succeed. I've
Speaker 3: always made the companies i've worked for successful. I've made
Speaker 3: the moneymakers, and I've made the brand stronger for me
Speaker 3: being there. I have a close family, and I know
Speaker 3: I'm appreciated. If this is a character, so be it.
Speaker 3: I'm a character, but I do know I could put
Speaker 3: my head in the pillow at night and sleep soundly.
Speaker 3: Good night.