Speaker 1: All right, our number two, and we know what that means.
Speaker 1: It means that we're gonna have a lot of talk.
Speaker 1: We got reffing down here. We got moments to get
Speaker 1: into these kinds of things. Bart is bringing them to
Speaker 1: the table. So I will be intrigued as to what
Speaker 1: is on Bart's mind when it comes to reffing down here.
Speaker 1: Very very busy weekend on a bunch of different fronts.
Speaker 1: Women's national team, men's national team, Gold Cup. And as
Speaker 1: we talked about with A Gordon, our number one, be
Speaker 1: careful what you wish for, you might get it. You
Speaker 1: point your finger at Canada and you go, ha ha ha.
Speaker 1: Wasn't so funny, now, was it. Now we're bringing Bart
Speaker 1: Keeler from the soccer for us PO D. What is up, sir?
Speaker 1: Oh you went back to your background?
Speaker 2: I did? I did.
Speaker 1: Sorry, no worries, No, it's it's I'm just you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he went back to his background.
Speaker 2: We're in the process of re not decorating, recalibrating, reconfiguring
Speaker 2: the office room. So it's a mess behind me because
Speaker 2: I'm trying to up pile things up. Then I throw
Speaker 2: away John. I threw away a printer, which at first
Speaker 2: off the shock is that the millennial here had a printer,
Speaker 2: but it was old, so we had to get rid
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Understood, absolutely understood. I guess we could kind of start
Speaker 1: with this. We'll go we'll go ahead, and we'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and go here before we get everything all gassed
Speaker 1: up for the weekend. Sorry buddy for Britzio Romano has
Speaker 1: come in this morning, thanks ropes. And it appears Malik
Speaker 1: Tilman to Bayer Levercusan. Here we go, here we go.
Speaker 1: Verbal in place between all parties involved, transfer feever around
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty million euro total package. Long term
Speaker 1: deal agreed with Tilman Byron have a buy back clause,
Speaker 1: but lever Cusan now considers the verbal agreement done, so
Speaker 1: Malik Tilman to buyer lever Cusan as a here we
Speaker 1: go from f Ritzio Romano this morning.
Speaker 2: You know, I think this is a potentially great move
Speaker 2: for Tillman. He has balled out at PSV for a
Speaker 2: couple of years now. You know, I think the one
Speaker 2: knock you could have is he obviously got hurt last year,
Speaker 2: so he didn't have that full season. But he's been
Speaker 2: really good for PSV and Leverkusen needs someone to fill
Speaker 2: the gap of uh, you know, Flora Florian verts firts
Speaker 2: as I'm saying that correctly. I think I'm not a
Speaker 2: German expert, but you know, his departure leaves a hole
Speaker 2: in that attacking set up for Leverkusen, and and maybe
Speaker 2: Tillman can feel that. I don't know if he is
Speaker 2: fully that guy, but I think he can be part
Speaker 2: of that solution. But hey, good move for him.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we like it when there are good moves
Speaker 1: involving US players with heavy with heavy and hefty price
Speaker 1: tags to anything and everything. Where would you like to start?
Speaker 1: You want to start with the women's the men's team,
Speaker 1: you want to start with Gold Cup in general? Where
Speaker 1: do you want to go?
Speaker 2: I want to start actually with a little bit about
Speaker 2: this weather conversation because it does fall into roughing down here, John, Yeah, uh,
Speaker 2: And I kind of just want to continue that because
Speaker 2: I think, first off, and this is just another example
Speaker 2: of the European mind not being able to comprehend anything
Speaker 2: that's outside of Europe. And you know, the pearls are
Speaker 2: clutched because something goes on differently than it does in Europe. Yes, Look,
Speaker 2: I think that there are legitimate concerns about playing a
Speaker 2: competition where you do have so many delayed games because
Speaker 2: of weather. What I don't think these people understand is
Speaker 2: these are not weather delays out of you know, thin air.
Speaker 2: I mean, actually they kind of are, because that's how
Speaker 2: weather appears a lot of times in the US, and
Speaker 2: you know it's not going to happen. It's not going
Speaker 2: to fix itself. Because you maybe play in New York
Speaker 2: or Philly, you know they can have these types of
Speaker 2: storms just as well. And I think that is a
Speaker 2: tarn because as a tournament organizer and then as a
Speaker 2: referee on the field, I'll start kind of locally at
Speaker 2: that where for me as a referee at this level
Speaker 2: and usually when you're on the field as a referee
Speaker 2: in this case is very different like at that pro
Speaker 2: tournament level. But at my level I am and I
Speaker 2: tell maars, if we think that there's possible weather coming,
Speaker 2: hey be looking at the sky and if you see something.
Speaker 2: And I've had to do it many times as an ar,
Speaker 2: I've had ars do it for me. You gotta put
Speaker 2: flag up and let me know. Because the thing that
Speaker 2: I don't think they understand, and that all of us
Speaker 2: in this chat in this country, understand is lightning is
Speaker 2: not something to be tested. And there's a reason electricity
Speaker 2: was vented as it was invented here. It's because Vendamin
Speaker 2: Franklin had free and readily access to lightning. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm if the fable goes the way we think it goes,
Speaker 2: and so that type of volatile weather is just definitely
Speaker 2: not something they deal with necessarily in Europe, and so
Speaker 2: they don't understand that. The reason we have, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what their radius is, but ours
Speaker 2: is at least five miles, sometimes up to ten, because
Speaker 2: you don't know what that weather can bring, and you
Speaker 2: don't know how quickly it can shift. You don't know.
Speaker 2: Also with lightning specifically, it can move and start here
Speaker 2: but then move, you know, down from the sky. And
Speaker 2: as a referee, your job first and foremost is player safety,
Speaker 2: and John one of the biggest threats to player safety
Speaker 2: is gonna be weather, especially like this, and so I
Speaker 2: think FIFA and the local organizing committee need to kind
Speaker 2: of come up with a better plan to deal with it.
Speaker 2: I think it's fair, but the problem is the plan
Speaker 2: is don't get struck by lightning. Yes, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, the other plan could just be built a
Speaker 2: billion dollar stadium with a roof on it and you
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about it. But I am not
Speaker 2: a multi billionaire David Tepper, so what do I know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So here's the rundown, just for folks for twenty six.
Speaker 1: As to what it looks like, Estadio Mexico City. Not
Speaker 1: a roof, met Life, not a roof, at and T roof,
Speaker 1: GI Hot, not a roof, nr G roof, Mercedes Benz roof,
Speaker 1: so far roof lumen, not a roof, but not really
Speaker 1: a place for thunderstorm.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it. Rain possibly, but even then
Speaker 2: not that.
Speaker 1: Much, right Levi's rain, but not thunderstorms. Yeah the link
Speaker 1: I would defer to Rich Ransom in this case, but
Speaker 1: I would say rain maybe heat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think thunderstorm is a possibility in Philly they
Speaker 2: did have a delay I think there, but like not
Speaker 2: as not as possibility as Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Yes, hard rock, no roof, but somewhat covered for fans
Speaker 1: Gillette weather, but not maybe necessarily. It is the random
Speaker 1: thunderstorm BC place covered Studio BBVA. I can't think of
Speaker 1: any weather. Really that's a texted one today because of altitude,
Speaker 1: Studio Acron and Guadalajara same bemo weather, but not thunderstorms.
Speaker 1: The venues for twenty six are there and kind of
Speaker 1: you know, sift your way through them. But remember also
Speaker 1: that you're dealing with Gold Cup venues in addition to
Speaker 1: having to host you're hosting two tournaments simultaneous country. So
Speaker 1: you're not getting maybe the venues that you're hunting for
Speaker 1: or you're.
Speaker 2: Let's just be frank John. Also, the Gold Cup has
Speaker 2: not had these issues, no, and part of that reason
Speaker 2: is we're not starting games at noon or three pm.
Speaker 2: And that is the unfortunate reality of the World Cup
Speaker 2: is when you have forty eight teams and despite having
Speaker 2: multiple okay, you're going to be playing it a lot, right,
Speaker 2: You're gonna have multiple time slots. And because again the
Speaker 2: European audience can't dare to stay up later or wake
Speaker 2: up early, we have to play games in time slots
Speaker 2: that work for them. You know, personally, I would say
Speaker 2: you have games at three, at six, at nine, and
Speaker 2: then you have maybe one that is a midnight kickoff
Speaker 2: because those are your West Coast games, and I know
Speaker 2: that's crazy, but you know if it allows you to
Speaker 2: play some three pm games in those covered stadiums, right,
Speaker 2: and then you have for midnight, you have those kickoffs,
Speaker 2: which would be nine local, which is a perfectly acceptable
Speaker 2: start time. I think for World Cup matches also going
Speaker 2: to be a lot cooler. Yeah, you know, for maybe
Speaker 2: the Mexico and specifically California.
Speaker 1: Then you'd end up with the breakfast In Europe.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I'm saying, is that the worst
Speaker 2: thing is if they have to wake up at five,
Speaker 2: six pm or am to watch the game. We have
Speaker 2: to do it all the time. So again I'm just
Speaker 2: asking the Europeans to understand that, believe it or not,
Speaker 2: the soccer world does not revolve around you. What you
Speaker 2: might have to make some concessions. So I would say
Speaker 2: you start at three and play those games in your
Speaker 2: domed stadiums, So Atlanta, Dallas, Houston or you know, you
Speaker 2: can do those in and I know it's going to
Speaker 2: be hot, but Toronto, Boston, you know, you find ways
Speaker 2: to make those kickoffs work. Your six pm can be anywhere,
Speaker 2: you know, central or East coast. And then your nine
Speaker 2: and midnight kicks, which are these are my local times
Speaker 2: are or eastern times are more west coast, and that
Speaker 2: would just be the Again, they need to This is
Speaker 2: FIFA's inherent problems. They think they know how to soccer
Speaker 2: better than anyone else and the reality is the people
Speaker 2: on the ground who have been literally planning tournaments and
Speaker 2: matches throughout these countries kind of do know better and
Speaker 2: they need to have some input in that because if not,
Speaker 2: you are going to deal with some rain delays. I mean,
Speaker 2: we do have delays in MLS, right, we were aware
Speaker 2: of that. We do have times where a thunderstorm rolls through.
Speaker 2: I do think with a lot of a seven thirty
Speaker 2: kicks we haven't had that many and we know why.
Speaker 2: It's because usually that weather has rolled through. So anyway,
Speaker 2: the point is as a referee, as a tournament organizer,
Speaker 2: you are beholden to laws of both physics and nature,
Speaker 2: and I think FIFA needs to try to do a
Speaker 2: little bit better to respect those laws of physics and nature.
Speaker 1: Yes, so, because as we all know, there are two
Speaker 1: folks undefeated and it's Father Time and Mother Nature. Okay,
Speaker 1: so where would you like to go? First, women's national team.
Speaker 2: Let's start women's national team because it's the least to
Speaker 2: talk about, but is probably the most fun to talk about.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, it was a couple of friendlies
Speaker 1: and they basically tcped their way through them both.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think Ireland is a decent enough opponent
Speaker 2: where you have to try, but you don't have to
Speaker 2: try too hard, which gives Emma a lot of opportunities
Speaker 2: to try out some new faces. And I think that
Speaker 2: was really the best part of what we saw was
Speaker 2: especially a player like Jordan Bug who I was. I
Speaker 2: thought she played really well in the couple of times
Speaker 2: you know, she played most of the match yesterday I
Speaker 2: got at an appearance on Thursday. I thought that was
Speaker 2: really positive. You know. I think some of the others
Speaker 2: maybe not great. But what I saw specifically yesterday with
Speaker 2: the much more experimental lineup, I think is fair to
Speaker 2: say certainly with a lot of players that haven't played before,
Speaker 2: is there is a lot of talent and ability, but
Speaker 2: they have to learn what it means to play at
Speaker 2: the international speed because they were a little slow, and
Speaker 2: it felt like times they were playing at like I
Speaker 2: don't know, point five speed, point seven five speed, and
Speaker 2: they just need to pick up that tempo and they
Speaker 2: need to figure out how to play quicker, especially a
Speaker 2: lot of times they were getting caught on the turn
Speaker 2: or they weren't passing the ball quick enough. Because Ireland
Speaker 2: is a good team, those gaps close quickly, right, And
Speaker 2: that is what I saw yesterday. But then you bring
Speaker 2: on players like Lessa Thompson and that tempo of that
Speaker 2: speed gets increased, and so I think that's a learning curve.
Speaker 2: But the fact that you still put together a four
Speaker 2: nil win despite again playing a little bit on the
Speaker 2: slow side is probably the best takeaway is there's still
Speaker 2: a lot of very good talent out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the number that was posted all eleven starters
Speaker 1: on Sunday play in the NWSL, Yes, seventy seventh time
Speaker 1: that had occurred in a USW and T starting eleven,
Speaker 1: the first time since January of twenty three. So you're
Speaker 1: talking two and a half years since the last time
Speaker 1: you had all INWSL starting eleven. Just so folks know
Speaker 1: what the starting eleven was. In net you had Man
Speaker 1: mc glenn from Utah Defense, Emily Sam's Orlando her fifth cap,
Speaker 1: Jordan Bugs second cap from Seattle, Tara McEwan Washington Spirit,
Speaker 1: number seven, seventh cap. Izzy Rodriguez her first cap and
Speaker 1: UH for her from Kansas City, current midfield Sam mesa
Speaker 1: first cap ever, Seattle Croy Bethune fourth cap, Washington Spirit,
Speaker 1: Olivia Moulton.
Speaker 2: Where is she from though? Where's she from? Though?
Speaker 1: I believe the believe it would be from like you
Speaker 1: know here, from here, Olivia Moultrie, Portland ninth, ninth cap. Forwards,
Speaker 1: Emma Sears Racing Louisville her seventh, Lyndby Endelo her eighty second.
Speaker 1: He has been rock for eleventh. Subs Sam Coffee from Portland,
Speaker 1: Ali Center from Utah, Claire Hutton from Kansas City, Alista Thompson,
Speaker 1: Angel City, Rose Lavelle Gotham. So that's what you're staring
Speaker 1: at isz Rodriguez becomes the twenty fourth player to score
Speaker 1: on her w uswn T debut, first so as a
Speaker 1: starter since Kristen Press scored against Scotland in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah again. I thought this lineup was it
Speaker 2: was interesting for a couple of things. One, this is
Speaker 2: the first time we've seen i'm a really trought out
Speaker 2: a true three back system. Obviously she's put four defenders
Speaker 2: out there a lot of times, but kind of had
Speaker 2: someone stay home. This was a true like those are
Speaker 2: all three center backs. I thought Emily Sam struggled a
Speaker 2: little bit, which goes against my agenda that she should
Speaker 2: be starting next to Naomi Germa, but you know, she
Speaker 2: was playing as a right center back. It was a
Speaker 2: little bit different. I think Tara mccoon is still not
Speaker 2: she's she's just not there for me yet and maybe
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing it. I know her passing is pretty decent,
Speaker 2: but again it's just not the defensive solidity that I
Speaker 2: think we might want. But then I also, you know,
Speaker 2: see that that midfield was very inexperienced, even if you
Speaker 2: want to talk about Moultrie, who has I mean, she's
Speaker 2: got seventeen years of experience and professional soccer at the
Speaker 2: age of seventeen. It just felt like it wasn't quite
Speaker 2: as get as quick as it needed to be. They
Speaker 2: were not moving off the ball as sharply as they needed.
Speaker 2: But again, you kept a clean sheet, you got four goals,
Speaker 2: and congrats to Izzy for getting her first goal. I
Speaker 2: mean that was it wasn't like she had to do
Speaker 2: a whole lot, But I'll just say that the finish
Speaker 2: itself was great. Great little volley there and the fact
Speaker 2: that she was there in position to clean up after
Speaker 2: you know, a good build up play that then got
Speaker 2: spoiled is the positive because the US is going to
Speaker 2: create a lot of opportunities, a lot of chances, and
Speaker 2: you need your kind of Sam Coffee esque midfielders, which
Speaker 2: is what Izzy was kind of doing in this game,
Speaker 2: being in and around the top of the box ready
Speaker 2: for the to clean up the trash. And that was
Speaker 2: that was good to see you bring on the subs John,
Speaker 2: And look, Alyssa Thompson is I mean, she might be
Speaker 2: the starter now and I know we have the obvious
Speaker 2: caveat that Triple Espresso is not here. Obviously some of
Speaker 2: the other European players on here, specifically like Kat Maccario
Speaker 2: not here. I think it's possible that Alissa Thompson has
Speaker 2: supplanted malpw on that Mouse wantson excuse me on that
Speaker 2: possibly even soph Smith that she's gonna plan lest like,
Speaker 2: I think she has worked herself as into the starting position.
Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of thoughts from David that I wanted
Speaker 1: to have you address. Still struggling to see what Alie
Speaker 1: Senter brings off sidele that it seems like an ash
Speaker 1: Hatch type finds ways to get goals, but against a
Speaker 1: tougher competition gets lost. Thompson's a real deal. She can
Speaker 1: feel a triple Espresso.
Speaker 2: She yeah. I think the Sentineur is one of those
Speaker 2: where is she in the conversation? If everyone is healthy,
Speaker 2: she might not be on that roster, right because if
Speaker 2: you're looking at again and at twenty twenty seven, you
Speaker 2: hopefully have back Sam Wilson or soph Wilson, Male Swanson, Uh,
Speaker 2: maybe Trinity is back healthy. You know, those are three
Speaker 2: that we're talking about the triple Espresso. So that puts
Speaker 2: a player like who I think has been good yeas,
Speaker 2: I mean Ryan down the list obviously, Trinity, Alyssa Thompson
Speaker 2: down the list. That's five wingers right there. Are you
Speaker 2: bringing sint Nor as a sixth winger when you also
Speaker 2: want to bring in a Cat Maccario and possibly a
Speaker 2: Jaden Shaw as an attacker. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 2: that looks like, but that is the question for sent Nor.
Speaker 2: She's kind of playing to just be part of that
Speaker 2: winger group. At the same time, I think sent Nora
Speaker 2: is good enough and learning enough. And again we have
Speaker 2: two years into the World Cup, so that's really what
Speaker 2: we're building toward here. I mean, we have a year
Speaker 2: and a half until qualifiers, which is I ranched about
Speaker 2: that on Twitter the other day. That's what we're building
Speaker 2: to hers. So if she's not great now, but you
Speaker 2: can see sparks of it, I'm fine with keeping her
Speaker 2: because she's gonna score. She loves to score a banger
Speaker 2: and I'm here for that, and I think we need
Speaker 2: to if you're telling me David that, like, hey, Sentineor
Speaker 2: is on the bench, because if you need to go
Speaker 2: in the seventy fifth minute on I love it because
Speaker 2: she's going, she's going to try to score, and that
Speaker 2: you have to have those types of players in your team.
Speaker 2: But again, is she top five winger if everyone's healthy.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know to say that the
Speaker 2: girl isn't better than you know, automatically replacing. So for
Speaker 2: mal Or, trend isn't a knock on her.
Speaker 1: Yep. And then the follow up on McEwan line splitting
Speaker 1: past is terrible short passes defending, she concerns me long
Speaker 1: term as a defender.
Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent. I mean, I think her passing
Speaker 2: accuracy and line breaking passes is very good. But I
Speaker 2: don't think she's a good enough one be one to
Speaker 2: or in space defender to really be relied upon, and
Speaker 2: that's kind of the concern. But again, Jordan Bud getting
Speaker 2: a debut is great. I think she looked pretty good.
Speaker 2: And again we're talking twenty twenty five, John. We do
Speaker 2: not have to win meaningful games until November twenty twenty six, right,
Speaker 2: and even then we talked about group stage of a
Speaker 2: CONCACAF W Championship. It's not like we're you know, we
Speaker 2: just have to make sure we win our group or
Speaker 2: get out of our group in that tournament. So I'm
Speaker 2: not super worried. But for me, McCowen is just dropping
Speaker 2: down the list every time he's here to play, because I agree,
Speaker 2: her defensive solidity is just not it's not there.
Speaker 1: Hey, Jared, good morning. Where it is eight twenty yeah,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it is the ten o'clock hour to Monday,
Speaker 1: and we have blown through our women's national team discussions,
Speaker 1: so we can talk about the men's national team and
Speaker 1: how much fun they are to watch in the Gold Cup.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's fine for me because again it's two hours behind,
Speaker 3: so like those seven pm primetime games are five o'clock
Speaker 3: for me. Like that's like, oh, we're gonna go grab
Speaker 3: a bite to eat, sit outside and watch the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know, Jared, You're watching these
Speaker 2: on tape delay basically, But like, how does.
Speaker 3: That because what's happening.
Speaker 2: I mean you're watching this, I mean some of these
Speaker 2: Club World Cup games, you're still eating breakfast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great again, highly recommended. Also, like Wednesday night,
Speaker 3: I was done with it Landy and I at nine thirty.
Speaker 3: This is fine. Seven thirty. I was done seven thirty
Speaker 3: and I was like, bro, still got time to catch
Speaker 3: a movie. This is great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You see how he's wired the Mountain time zone.
Speaker 3: So uh, it's great out here. Actually, thank you very much. Yes,
Speaker 3: every everyone lied to us about coming out here. First
Speaker 3: of all, plenty of good restaurants, plenty of like diverse
Speaker 3: restaurants that are tasty and that are not just bland nothingness,
Speaker 3: and plenty of fun things to do. So I feel
Speaker 3: like I was lied to by people who just by
Speaker 3: a bunch of people who just watched Bravo and watch
Speaker 3: one trash ass reality TV show and decided to build
Speaker 3: their entire existence on an entire city based on one
Speaker 3: trash ass show instead of experiencing a place, God forbid,
Speaker 3: God forbid we ever go outside and experience the world
Speaker 3: outside of our own front door.
Speaker 2: I mean, a trash TV show based on people who
Speaker 2: live in tax brackets.
Speaker 3: Will never imagine, never imagine, not not even not even
Speaker 3: getting close to bud. But it did give me a
Speaker 3: fun thing yesterday where you know, grab lunch and watch
Speaker 3: Jesse Marsh fall into an open manhole cover. Because there's
Speaker 3: a few things I enjoy more than watching Jesse Marsh
Speaker 3: fall into an open manhole cover. After spending over a
Speaker 3: year being this trolling ass try hard who is absolutely
Speaker 3: and look, the US national team deserves to be trolled
Speaker 3: and ridiculed at plenty of times. It does a lot
Speaker 3: of things that deserve that one Bart John and I
Speaker 3: have sat here and done that many times and lamented
Speaker 3: the US national the men's national team's entire existence. But
Speaker 3: Jesse Marsh sitting over here for the last god since
Speaker 3: he didn't get hired for the job, sitting in the
Speaker 3: corner firing off one liners like the guy who got
Speaker 3: turned down by the girls going to prom and then
Speaker 3: decided to make it his entire personality to troll that girl.
Speaker 1: So so Jared, you mean to discuss this particular moment
Speaker 1: that happened yesterday courtesy of our friends at two DNA.
Speaker 1: Provided it hits.
Speaker 2: The bend, then Jersey's baro by.
Speaker 3: Bravn' bravnn barow such a bigod after this bo.
Speaker 2: Juan de malla qua malla.
Speaker 3: Ma ben di no man man dino man and yours
Speaker 3: a quesz quate mala guate de mala.
Speaker 1: Lea that moment, that call, and I will say this
Speaker 1: once again thanks to our friends at two day.
Speaker 3: Shout out to usl legend Rubio Rubin too.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the whole call of the tail end, like
Speaker 1: the last three minutes. Two to NA posted the full
Speaker 1: three minutes and it's moments like that that are universal
Speaker 1: and that's why I pulled like that forty second clip
Speaker 1: because you literally have play by play guys crying in
Speaker 1: the booth as Guatemala makes it to the Semis for
Speaker 1: the first time in twenty nine years. That was That
Speaker 1: was a fun listening and a fun watch to see
Speaker 1: their reactions and when the goal was scored and we'll
Speaker 1: get back to Shaffelberg. I guess is a part of
Speaker 1: reping down here. You know, you get the moment with
Speaker 1: the equalizer. From that moment on, with thirty minutes to go,
Speaker 1: going through PKS, the two d NA broadcast was off
Speaker 1: the rails. I mean it was yelling and screaming and
Speaker 1: crying as it should have been. It was great. It
Speaker 1: was a great watch, and uh yes, I felt compelled
Speaker 1: to pull that last forty seconds. So so much for
Speaker 1: that date, huh Bart.
Speaker 2: But I mean, listen, we were supposed to get a
Speaker 2: doubleheader USA Canada on Wednesday and lo and behold, Josh
Speaker 2: you Marsh screwed it up, and you know listen it it?
Speaker 1: Uh sir?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I so, I I don't know where to
Speaker 2: start with this, John, I want to. I want to
Speaker 2: just bring up the fact that I sent John a
Speaker 2: text like after they lost in this of a of
Speaker 2: a meme basically, But it's as Jarrett alluded to before
Speaker 2: the tournament, he was talking mad crap about how none
Speaker 2: of his players turned down a call. The quote is
Speaker 2: not one guy called me and said, coach, I don't know,
Speaker 2: spen a long year. Maybe I don't come to the
Speaker 2: Gold Cup and then after the match John he says,
Speaker 2: if I'm on as we're missing half our group, well, buddy,
Speaker 2: which one is it? Because that's the problem is if
Speaker 2: you want to go bravado and macho and vodacious, you
Speaker 2: can't get knocked out on the quarterfinal again, by the way,
Speaker 2: because you did it last time as well. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing here Canada, as you talk all this crap
Speaker 2: and you have yet to back it up, not once
Speaker 2: have you actually backed up any real trash talk. You
Speaker 2: claim the stupid little made up trophy you had of
Speaker 2: winning the group in World Cup qualification. What happened to
Speaker 2: you in twenty twenty two? So why don't you sit
Speaker 2: down and be humble for a second. I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: pull out an early Holland reference, but holy cow, go
Speaker 2: do something before you start talking all this crap.
Speaker 1: And so Jacob Shaffelberg with a one mill lead, Shaeffelberg
Speaker 1: is given his second yellow early second half, and we're
Speaker 1: talking forty ninth minute and I've been looking at it
Speaker 1: a couple of times and I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, is this incidental contact? Is this
Speaker 1: is this elbow and forearm up. What are you looking
Speaker 1: at with this?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this definitely falls under the idea
Speaker 2: of a reckless foul. And to just be honest, he's
Speaker 2: he's late, he is going in at a speed that
Speaker 2: is dangerous and very much looks like a guy who
Speaker 2: is not concerned with the health and safety of the
Speaker 2: player he's playing against. Right, I can see why this
Speaker 2: is a reckless foul and that therefore it's a yellow card.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I mean, I'm sorry, this is gonna color
Speaker 2: my analysis on this a little bit, but this is
Speaker 2: not new for Jacob Schaffelberg. The dude does not exactly
Speaker 2: a nice player, and he's been known to do over
Speaker 2: the top.
Speaker 1: Fouls you know about stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to call it stupid, but it's
Speaker 2: it's over the top, it's unnecessary, it's it's intentionally intentionally reckless,
Speaker 2: you know. And I think that's the problem he got
Speaker 2: himself into when he, you know, committed a yellow card
Speaker 2: foul in the first half. So, you know, I think
Speaker 2: it's fair to say that Canada got a little I
Speaker 2: don't think either yellow card is like, oh wow, it's
Speaker 2: a yellow card, but they were both reckless fouls that
Speaker 2: he did with pretty much full intent. And you know
Speaker 2: we don't judge intent on that, but looking at how
Speaker 2: fast he was running and how little he tried to
Speaker 2: slow down, and then you know, it does maybe look
Speaker 2: like he tries to throw a shoulder or a forearm
Speaker 2: into the guy's at least chest, if not his throat area.
Speaker 2: Right that he sent me for you. Sorry, don't do stupid,
Speaker 2: don't do don't do this, and you won't have to
Speaker 2: worry about being in position to get a second yellow card.
Speaker 2: I mean that's really what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so Schaffelberg ends up getting the second yellow.
Speaker 1: Canada is down to ten. They hang on for a while.
Speaker 1: Then for the final thirty it was chaos personified.
Speaker 2: Jared.
Speaker 1: I mean I know that you will see so if Jared,
Speaker 1: if Jared was watching Canada and Guatemala, I mean, shoot,
Speaker 1: it's middle of the afternoon for you watching this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. It's great again to highly would recommend
Speaker 3: live your best life. Yes, because Jesse Marsh trying too, yes,
Speaker 3: and not always succeeding, but he's trying. No, I don't know,
Speaker 3: man like you, and this this is this is this
Speaker 3: one goes out also to the people who keep up
Speaker 3: with England better. It seems like there comes a point
Speaker 3: in the Jesse Marsh experience where people get tired of it,
Speaker 3: where it wears thin.
Speaker 1: Half life.
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't know where that rubacon is.
Speaker 3: I don't know where it exists.
Speaker 2: Well, the conversations they had on T said last night
Speaker 2: they might be approaching it.
Speaker 3: Wow, But we had it at leads, We've had it
Speaker 3: in other stops. But yeah, it feels like there is
Speaker 3: this point where it starts to like the antics start
Speaker 3: to wear thin. And yeah, you want to sit there
Speaker 3: and troll the US men's national team again, we do
Speaker 3: it all the time and necessarily we can get into
Speaker 3: the US national team talking just a minute, because they
Speaker 3: they showed cohone is last night. Give them, I'll give
Speaker 3: them that.
Speaker 2: But also showed some stupidity last night.
Speaker 3: Oh they showed a lot of that. But yeah, man,
Speaker 3: like this is the thing is Canada is also as
Speaker 3: much as we talk about and I think they were twelvemned.
Speaker 3: The whole thing was, Like I was as guilty as
Speaker 3: anybody about calling it the Golden Generation.
Speaker 1: I think it was him.
Speaker 3: It might have been Alexi.
Speaker 1: Sure, but the same amount, different amount.
Speaker 3: But Canada is also in that conversation. Canada is also
Speaker 3: supposed to be in their Golden Generation. H Jonathan David
Speaker 3: is worth more than Guatemala's roster, pretty sure. And that's
Speaker 3: not to say Guatemala's roster is terrible. It's to say
Speaker 3: that Jonathan David is a special talent. And yeah, Canada's
Speaker 3: crowning achievement with this quote unquote Golden Generation so far
Speaker 3: is winning the the Octagon, which doesn't put hardware in
Speaker 3: your in your trophy. Can They tried, Yeah, but it's
Speaker 3: like I feel like it's it's like getting yourself a
Speaker 3: special ring because you you know, it's like we went
Speaker 3: and got rings made because we won. You know, the
Speaker 3: Popeye is Bahamas Ball. Yeah, not to be smirk, the
Speaker 3: Popeye is Bahamas Ball. But you're supposed to be in
Speaker 3: your goald generation too, and you haven't done anything with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As much as we talk about the US kind of
Speaker 3: giving those away and having you know, psychological issues and
Speaker 3: having a soft team mentally, so often, Canada can't get
Speaker 3: over the hump either. Man. Then to your point, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it feels like it might be wearing Vin Bud.
Speaker 2: It just is one of those situations where I think
Speaker 2: it's fair to say that they did not have their
Speaker 2: first choice guys, right. I think that is okay to
Speaker 2: say one of those first choice guys that was unavailable
Speaker 2: because Jesse, you heard them, and Bro, that's sign you.
Speaker 2: But you still had your start, your first choice starting riker,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean you had, if not your first
Speaker 2: choice winger. You know, you had players who are way
Speaker 2: more first choice, if you will, than what the US
Speaker 2: has at its availability for this particular tournament. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it's also fair to say Canada does not
Speaker 2: have the depth the US has, and that's I think
Speaker 2: absolutely true. But you have Jonathan David. You know, we
Speaker 2: have Patrick Agaman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, and big Pat might be hidden
Speaker 1: to U to the either the championship or the low
Speaker 1: level of premiere.
Speaker 2: Hey listen, if I'm Charlotte, I'm taking that money asap
Speaker 2: because you've taken it in this running this idea that
Speaker 2: oh we're gonna wait for the right offer. Bro, you
Speaker 2: ain't go and get money for him after this year,
Speaker 2: just saying wow.
Speaker 3: And the weird thing is I really I really liked
Speaker 3: what he did last year. Like it hasn't trends later
Speaker 3: over the like I thought he was going to jump
Speaker 3: this year, Like I.
Speaker 2: Thought a question for you, because I'm with you. People
Speaker 2: have been saying, oh, well, Brandon Vasquez hasn't had a
Speaker 2: good year either. Okay, Brandon Vasquez has scored one less
Speaker 2: goal and has more assists than Agumon. So where are
Speaker 2: we trying to like? And he's on a worse team
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how much people watch Austin. Every
Speaker 3: time I have watched them, I've watched that dude leave
Speaker 3: like two goals on the field of game. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. Obviously, news out of Charlotte, by the way,
Speaker 1: from my buddy Willie P. Pet bl has signed an
Speaker 1: extension on his loan through the end of the twenty
Speaker 1: five season.
Speaker 3: Okay, great performance. You know, an extension is not it's
Speaker 3: not a full time deal. And if you do not, Charlotte,
Speaker 3: you have look it. Considering we are based in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: I know the the idea is, you know, throwing throwing,
Speaker 3: throwing rocks and glass houses when Atlanta's house is basically
Speaker 3: made of a fabergeg At this point, Charlotte, this is
Speaker 3: a hell of a bag fumble if you do not
Speaker 3: lock this man down, because a lot of what you
Speaker 3: do has hinged on him being absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 1: According to Willie p Dial has performance incentives that will
Speaker 1: trigger a purchase option for twenty six. Based on the salary,
Speaker 1: it seems it would make him a DP. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a D for them.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, though, Jared, when I mean, I think
Speaker 2: Charlotte's entire makeup is bl being good and Kaleina saving
Speaker 2: your ass on a game by game basis.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have, I have.
Speaker 2: It's not the worst strategy in m LS.
Speaker 3: But no, but I've told Jason and I talked about
Speaker 3: this before and I told him, I said, the second
Speaker 3: Polina stops performing above expectations, Charlotte has problems. And hey,
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody's seen, Charlotte has been like
Speaker 3: shipping goals in the last MM ever four or five weeks,
Speaker 3: ever since they were top of the East. They just
Speaker 3: went into a spiral and now they are sitting there.
Speaker 3: I think they are at the last playoff spot or
Speaker 3: second the last playoff spot right now. Again, this is again,
Speaker 3: this is not like, this is a completely separate conversation
Speaker 3: from the fact that Atlanta is in the longest psychological
Speaker 3: ward right now. Yeah, but yeah, man, it's mhm.
Speaker 2: In the month of May, they gave up three or
Speaker 2: more goals in all but three games. M hm, No,
Speaker 2: two games. They give up four goals in three games,
Speaker 2: five games. Holy cow, Yeah, you're right. I wasn't it.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't put that together there, Jared. I
Speaker 2: was enjoying their slide after being in the top of
Speaker 2: the East. But holy cal they are.
Speaker 3: The only difference you want to know something, if you
Speaker 3: want to break it down numbers or the only difference
Speaker 3: between Charlotte and Atlanta in the mid this last week
Speaker 3: is that Charlotte found a second goal in the second
Speaker 3: half and Manuel Latte Lot missed a one on one,
Speaker 3: which is a which is another Again, another conversation about
Speaker 3: guys not performing to the twenty plus million dollars you
Speaker 3: paid for them.
Speaker 1: Maybe not paying twenty plus million dollars for a dude
Speaker 1: for the championship, Charlotte.
Speaker 3: I still I still maintain Jovolitch was right there. Guys
Speaker 3: doing great in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Charlotte, by the way, is three points out of
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They're tend love to see it.
Speaker 3: But but the only difference between what it likes because
Speaker 3: Charlotte gave up three first, three ugly first half goals
Speaker 3: to Chicago. The only difference between them and Atlanta is
Speaker 3: that Atlanta only found one goal in the second half
Speaker 3: when game state basically allowed them to just cook. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I found two.
Speaker 1: Yes, I I know the original.
Speaker 2: I get a last can I get a last thought
Speaker 2: on the Canada Guatemala game?
Speaker 1: Sure before we go into the game, before we.
Speaker 2: Go into Okay, so this is not for smirching the
Speaker 2: great Brad Guzan, but I think we all know that
Speaker 2: the writing is on the wall that this will not
Speaker 2: be his or this will be his final year. It's
Speaker 2: like for Atlanta, I felt like the Guatemala goalkeeper might
Speaker 2: be a duo that we could probably get to for
Speaker 2: Hella cheap, and why not just see what he can
Speaker 2: do if you bring him in as at least a
Speaker 2: guy competing for the spot. I think it might be fun.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, and I know that Jared will bring
Speaker 1: j Hibbert er but okay, yes, no.
Speaker 2: I'm not a racing I'm saying, if you're free, Cohen,
Speaker 2: are Cohen Hibbert and Navarro.
Speaker 3: I don't know everybody. Everybody wanted to tell me that
Speaker 3: that that Cohen was like the the like the be
Speaker 3: all end all when he got here when we hadn't
Speaker 3: seen him perform. And it's this thing that we do
Speaker 3: in this in in Atlanta, and it pisses me off
Speaker 3: to no end because we did it with Eric Lopez
Speaker 3: is like the poster child of this. Is people like
Speaker 3: to crown somebody without ever seeing them play and set
Speaker 3: these and in doing so, what you end up doing
Speaker 3: is setting these incredibly unrealistic expectations where a guy really
Speaker 3: can't only fail unless he turns into to uh, unless
Speaker 3: he turns into joseph mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Like I'll tell you that. I mean, I think Cohen
Speaker 2: was overhyped, but I think I think it was more
Speaker 2: of a oh please, someone saved from Bradbury's Anne, And
Speaker 2: that's just the reality of the mentality at that point
Speaker 2: in time.
Speaker 4: So he's coming off of blown Achilles. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: to be fair, he's coming off a blown Achilles. But
Speaker 4: he's almost forty years old.
Speaker 2: You don't know. But the reason that I would want
Speaker 2: from Coca Calf is Orlando Musqueta from Panama, but he's
Speaker 2: playing in the Saudi League, and I don't know what
Speaker 2: he's actually making, and who knows if he's actually reporting
Speaker 2: what they're actually making on a real level, so you know,
Speaker 2: who knows, But I don't know. The Navarro guy impressed
Speaker 2: me last night to the point of, hey, Atlanta, we
Speaker 2: need a goalkeeper next year. Let's at least give I
Speaker 2: don't imagine he's making a ton of money down there
Speaker 2: in uh. I think he's playing in Guatemala, So you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's it's an interesting it's it's an interesting
Speaker 3: question that Atlanta's going to have to address though, because
Speaker 3: you have, yeah, to your point, like, you have a
Speaker 3: goalkeeper who is probably in his swan song right now,
Speaker 3: and then you have Donaldson who's incredibly good but incredibly raw,
Speaker 3: and a teenager Hibbert who h John O.
Speaker 1: Ransom.
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, you have JOHNO Ransom who is in the
Speaker 3: same category, a little bit older but still a very
Speaker 3: raw youth national team goalkeeper. Hibbert's ceiling is I think
Speaker 3: incredibly high, and maybe you ride with that, but you
Speaker 3: have those guys, do you go get I guess my
Speaker 3: question is do we do you go get someone and
Speaker 3: do kind of what Columbus did with Eloy Room a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, where Hey, I'm gonna bring you in.
Speaker 3: You're in your prime, maybe a little late in your prime. See,
Speaker 3: you can give me for three or four years and
Speaker 3: then I'll see what I can do.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's I think the key to winning in
Speaker 2: MLS is having goalkeeper who can save your butt a
Speaker 2: few times a game. Yeah, absolutely, because you're gonna Look,
Speaker 2: we know this league is not known for its defensive stability,
Speaker 2: and I think volatility would be the best way to
Speaker 2: describe MLS. Having a goalkeeper who can save your butt
Speaker 2: a few times a game.
Speaker 3: It's probably ineptitude also would not be the worst thing
Speaker 3: to call it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, so are we are?
Speaker 2: We are?
Speaker 1: We locked into the notion, at least for today, that
Speaker 1: Matt Freeze is your number one keeper for the US
Speaker 1: men's nation.
Speaker 2: No, but because no one's the number one right now.
Speaker 2: But I will say that he did make up for
Speaker 2: what he did in that final group stage match. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: it was a bad moment, a bad pass. I still
Speaker 2: maintain I don't think Tim Riam should have passed in
Speaker 2: the ball, Yes, but he made up for it. He
Speaker 2: also can I don't know if he's to Jared, I'd
Speaker 2: love your opinion on this. That goal we conceded in
Speaker 2: the second half, a lot of people I saw saying, oh, well,
Speaker 2: Freeze has got to do better there. I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: he took a shot from like four yards away and
Speaker 2: blocked it, you know, Like, I, yes, you should maybe
Speaker 2: not put it in the penalty area, like right in
Speaker 2: front of your goal mouth. But I don't know. I
Speaker 2: felt like that was a little harsh to be, like, Hey,
Speaker 2: your two defenders get split and a guy runs in
Speaker 2: and takes a shot from four yards away from you,
Speaker 2: and how dare you not catch it? I don't know,
Speaker 2: But penalty kick performance was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you in that, Like I think
Speaker 3: it's it's one of those things where like, we do this,
Speaker 3: we do this. It's one of my favorite unhinged things
Speaker 3: we do in sports. We did the same thing in
Speaker 3: baseball where it's like, oh, why didn't he just turn
Speaker 3: on that fastball that was coming in at ninety miles
Speaker 3: an hour that had like late life to it, Like
Speaker 3: he makes the same like ideally you would love to
Speaker 3: see him turn that deflection towards the inline. More he's
Speaker 3: also getting shot at from like four meters away at
Speaker 3: like the dude puts his laces through it from like
Speaker 3: four meters away. And that's not easy for anyone to
Speaker 3: deal with, No, especially mortals who don't see like that
Speaker 3: in practice literally every day like professionals do. I would
Speaker 3: prefer my defender. It's like I would prefer my defenders
Speaker 3: not get split, including my fullback who was sloppy on
Speaker 3: both goals, gave up a penalty, then got split like
Speaker 3: he was the gates at a super g event in
Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics, and then yeah, I mean ideally, yeah,
Speaker 3: I would love to see him turn that that deflection
Speaker 3: towards the in line. But at that pace, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna sit here and tell you he sucks because he
Speaker 3: didn't like turn it super quick.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's how I.
Speaker 2: Feel about and how further say that and goalkeeper union
Speaker 2: here we're talking about it. But the guy who scored
Speaker 2: ran past about two defenders and no one picked him up.
Speaker 2: So yes, that's another thing.
Speaker 3: I may also think about the movie Mighty Ducks three
Speaker 3: when they go to the prep school and Gordon Bombay
Speaker 3: leaves and the new coach comes in and teaches them
Speaker 3: about cleaning up the trash and making sure that you
Speaker 3: get the puck slash ball out of the danger zone.
Speaker 3: And they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so the lineup, well, actually you get
Speaker 1: goals from Luna and Arston four minutes apart. Francisco Calvo,
Speaker 1: who why do I have a moment with a garbage can?
Speaker 1: In his time at Minnesota United stuck in my head
Speaker 1: thirty two thousand plus. They did not open the top
Speaker 1: level at US Bank, but they played at indoors at
Speaker 1: US Bank. North of thirty two thousand were there. Matt
Speaker 1: Freese got the start, defense, Alex Freeman, Chris Richards, Tim Ree,
Speaker 1: Max Arston, Midfield Berhalter, Tillman, Tyler Adams, Diego, Luna, Luca
Speaker 1: de la Torre and it was big pad up top
Speaker 1: to start your subs Damien Downs, John Tolkien and uh
Speaker 1: no ratings from our friends at Soccer America just because
Speaker 1: it was a cup of coffee for Jack McGlenn and
Speaker 1: Brian White. US remains unbeaten against Costa Rica in the
Speaker 1: Gold Cup seven one and one, which means they now
Speaker 1: face Guanatemala Wednesday night at the Pink Stadium in Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: I got a wild hair in the last night saying,
Speaker 2: oh should we drive up there? That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I don't want to try to hours to Saint Louis
Speaker 2: on a Wednesday, but I do want to talk. Jarrett
Speaker 2: mentioned it because if you look at the ratings on
Speaker 2: FOP mob and I'm sure others, Arston is man of
Speaker 2: the match right because he got an and assist technically
Speaker 2: and he scores the goal. But Jared Man the first goal, Look,
Speaker 2: it's a naive challenge. He doesn't need to make it,
Speaker 2: but I think it's indicative of he's not a good
Speaker 2: defend He just straight up not a good defender. He's
Speaker 2: not he is. I don't know why he's making that
Speaker 2: challenge there and why he feels like he needs to lunch,
Speaker 2: just whatever. The second goal is just straight up bad.
Speaker 2: It's not the first time that he has just let
Speaker 2: a dude walk by him with the ball and it's
Speaker 2: a problem. So if you want to give praise for oh,
Speaker 2: well he got an assistant a goal, but not recognize
Speaker 2: that he is also like, I mean, he had four
Speaker 2: goal involvements, which is a great game for most people,
Speaker 2: but probably not the way he wanted it to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say he was involved four goals.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's a way to praise it, especially.
Speaker 2: The second goal. Look the first skull, the penalty kick
Speaker 2: is they're coming John?
Speaker 3: Are you it's the US national team police?
Speaker 2: Yes, Unfortunately I think it's probably. Again, I live next
Speaker 2: door to a live across the street from a senior
Speaker 2: living apartment complex, and unfortunately we get we get some
Speaker 2: visits from the fire department on daily. Anyway, when you
Speaker 2: look at Arpsten, you are looking at a guy who
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say is not a true
Speaker 2: left back, which again begs the question of why he's
Speaker 2: playing left back so religiously in this tournament. Feels like
Speaker 2: he's not a great defender. He just doesn't. And again
Speaker 2: I think my problem with him continues to be his
Speaker 2: The volume of play that goes through him that doesn't
Speaker 2: really lead to anywhere is frustrating. The assist he gets
Speaker 2: to Diego Luna. It's not not an assist, but I
Speaker 2: mean he doesn't exactly give Luna a great pass to
Speaker 2: then set up a shot. Luna has to kind of
Speaker 2: work some of his magic to get a shot off
Speaker 2: that you know, then you had the fact that it
Speaker 2: was deflected, it was on frames. I still think maybe
Speaker 2: you know he scores anyway, but look, if you're going
Speaker 2: to give that an assist, fine, but you've got to
Speaker 2: ding him for the multiple just bad defensive errors he's
Speaker 2: made in this game and throughout the tournament. And I
Speaker 2: don't understand why Pochettino loves him so much, except for
Speaker 2: maybe he thinks he's the most like for like for
Speaker 2: Jedi in this group. But I just go back to
Speaker 2: the fact that, Bro, you did not have to pick him.
Speaker 2: There are other left backs who exist the right. And
Speaker 2: if you're telling me you're gonna sit here and tell
Speaker 2: me that Caleb Wiley isn't good enough or is somehow
Speaker 2: behind Max Arsten right now, then I'm gonna call you crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, he was behind John Tolkien, who.
Speaker 2: Also hasn't like. Yeah, I think I don't understand why
Speaker 2: people aren't.
Speaker 3: The US program is okay, I swear to go on
Speaker 3: that it's it's it's this thing we do where like
Speaker 3: certain guys come out of certain academies and they get
Speaker 3: the push nationally. It's like it's like a WWE thing.
Speaker 3: It's like some guy, It's like during the Vincement Man era.
Speaker 3: It is just some dudes get the push, and then
Speaker 3: some dudes do not. Tolkien came out of Red Bulls Academy.
Speaker 3: Everyone fawns of a Red Bulls Academy, more so a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago than right now. But like Tolkien
Speaker 3: came out of there, you'd have thought he could do
Speaker 3: no wrong. Sam Vines came out of Colorado, You'd have
Speaker 3: thought he could do no wrong.
Speaker 2: Some dudes just get that.
Speaker 3: Push from the local and national media in this country,
Speaker 3: and it's for me, it's really hard to figure out
Speaker 3: how that gets decided. Because some of those guys live
Speaker 3: up to the hype. Look at you, all the fonds
Speaker 3: of babies, brilliant, we love you, get healthy, we miss you.
Speaker 3: But some dudes, just like Findes, just kind of petered out.
Speaker 3: Bellow petered out. Although Bellows I think trying to rebuild
Speaker 3: his career.
Speaker 2: I actually think Bellow is another option that could have
Speaker 2: been considered. I think he has rebuilt his career in
Speaker 2: a league that's at least comparable to the MLS. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
Speaker 2: Austrian League is better than MLS. That's that's untrue.
Speaker 1: But George Bellow needs playing time and consistent playing time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. You know who else needs consistent playing
Speaker 3: time or they're not going to see the field. Matt
Speaker 3: Turner just signed to go play for a team that's
Speaker 3: getting relegated to the second division of free after being
Speaker 3: at multiple clubs where he wasn't getting consistent minutes. And look,
Speaker 3: he's no longer the US number one.
Speaker 2: Not Turner is an interesting one, Jared, because I agree.
Speaker 2: I actually think this is a good move for him,
Speaker 2: because Leon should still be able to assemble a team
Speaker 2: that is going to do quite well.
Speaker 3: And assuming they can pay them. Sure, but well at
Speaker 3: this point they're owned by the same guy who owes
Speaker 3: it Landy United twenty plus million dollars.
Speaker 2: I think Text is gonna having a on. He's just
Speaker 2: going to be stuck with Botafogo.
Speaker 3: Texture is gonna end up disappearing because of the batava
Speaker 3: in Brazil, because the one thing you don't do is
Speaker 3: screw over those Brazilian clubs looking at you text Her
Speaker 3: and look at you Foster Gillette.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Texture is going to end
Speaker 2: up having to selly On by the end of the summer,
Speaker 2: which actually is a pretty decent buy if you're someone
Speaker 2: looking to buy a soccer team, because.
Speaker 1: And Michelle Kangle do it on pennies on the dollar
Speaker 1: and it'll be run the right way.
Speaker 2: Well we'll see, I mean she yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: if she wants to get into Mends soccer that way.
Speaker 2: She might be able to find someone who she knows
Speaker 2: to come in and step in and buy that. But yeah, uh.
Speaker 2: This I think that though, underlines the problem right now
Speaker 2: with the US. And this is where when you look
Speaker 2: beyond this game, because you can look at this game
Speaker 2: and go this felt good. You beat Costa Rica, historically
Speaker 2: pretty decent team in Conca calf. You know, you beat
Speaker 2: them in a Gold Cup knockout game. The penalty kick
Speaker 2: shootout was fun. But this game, in this tournament does
Speaker 2: not matter in the grand scheme of things unless you
Speaker 2: find a guy or two who can help you come
Speaker 2: next summer. And that continues to be the question. I
Speaker 2: think there are exactly three guys on this roster who
Speaker 2: have kind of played themselves into that spot. One of
Speaker 2: those is Matt Freeze. Now, because look, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: Matt Freeze is the number one, but I agree with
Speaker 2: Jared that Matt Turner is no longer the number one
Speaker 2: in the sense that, like I think it's fair to
Speaker 2: say that no one holds that title right now. It
Speaker 2: is a very open competition. And Freeze did himself a
Speaker 2: lot of good in this game to save three. Do
Speaker 2: you know how hard it is to save a penalty
Speaker 2: kick in today's game? Let alone three?
Speaker 3: And dude, he can get say hey.
Speaker 2: He gets wrong on one, right. He faced a total
Speaker 2: of seven penalty kicks in this game. Yeah, because we
Speaker 2: went through six and he had the one in the
Speaker 2: in the game, guest right on six of the seven,
Speaker 2: got hands to five of the seven because he got
Speaker 2: a hand on the one in the game. You got
Speaker 2: a hand on one of the other ones in the
Speaker 2: penalty kick shootout. Just couldn't keep it out because it
Speaker 2: was hit too hard. That's something.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's something, and it's it's it is hard to save
Speaker 2: a penalty kick in today's age where you have so
Speaker 2: many restrictions on you.
Speaker 3: Thirty eight year old Kaylor Novice also was there's a
Speaker 3: great shootout from.
Speaker 2: Him signed tailor Navias. That's what that's, you know, he's
Speaker 2: got what four years left in him? According to.
Speaker 3: Well, like there's a couple. There's a couple in that shootout,
Speaker 3: or I told I told the I told the sth
Speaker 3: crew there's a couple in that shootout where where I went, like, man,
Speaker 3: three years And I told another friend of mine who's
Speaker 3: living in Costa Rica, I was like, three years ago.
Speaker 3: Ka Navias saves two or three more of those. He's
Speaker 3: just thirty eight now. Yeah, and it was an amazing
Speaker 3: shootout from a goalkeeper's perspective, because yeah, Freeze was amazing.
Speaker 3: Jaylen Amis was great and almost like mental terrorist level
Speaker 3: like Tim Melia in his prime. When Tim Melia, if
Speaker 3: you ever watched like Kansas City and shootouts, it was
Speaker 3: kind of a fore gun conclusion. Tim Meiley was going
Speaker 3: to say at least two because he was just so good.
Speaker 3: But he was also emotionally crippling every striker who stepped up.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I do want to if we want to
Speaker 2: run through the team. You said Soccer in America didn't
Speaker 2: put out rankings or they.
Speaker 1: Did, No, they did. I was just blown. I was
Speaker 1: just blowing.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to talk because there are
Speaker 2: some individual performances in this game that stand out and
Speaker 2: need to be talked about, because this is the time
Speaker 2: in the tournament where you need to start standing out.
Speaker 2: All right, hit me, well, you got the Soccer America rankings.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Frieze gets an eight, Alex Freeman of five,
Speaker 1: Chris Richards a six, Tim Riemafourmax Arson a six.
Speaker 2: See this is gonna bother me. Why is Arsen getting
Speaker 2: a six? Is it because he scored? Because defensively he
Speaker 2: was bad the rest of the game. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: just the reality. And we don't need to give him
Speaker 2: points for scoring a goal when we don't recognize the
Speaker 2: fact that he is at fault for two other goals and.
Speaker 1: So coaster.
Speaker 3: There's nothing that we love in this country more than
Speaker 3: when we have found a player that we've decided is
Speaker 3: like game changing and worthy of our time and emotional investment.
Speaker 3: There's nothing we love in this more than hyping up
Speaker 3: that player, getting excited when they do great things and
Speaker 3: dismissing anything that they do. Is that is bad and
Speaker 3: it is not unanimously applied to players across the board.
Speaker 2: It's just again, I think the problem for me is
Speaker 2: Max Arsen. To me, does not translate above this level.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: I agree with me. If you told me you brought
Speaker 3: them like emergency depth, I'm fine with that. You told
Speaker 3: me you brought him to the World Cup because we
Speaker 3: have a Hey, I need someone who can play back there,
Speaker 3: and you are like my fifth guy on the bench,
Speaker 3: and I just I need a warm body out there.
Speaker 3: Maybe he'll do something.
Speaker 1: So ours I mean Coasta Rica, but left back Max
Speaker 1: Arsten under pressure early after he blocked across at the
Speaker 1: edge of the penalty area, turned around with a wild
Speaker 1: swing that whacked down Kenneth Vargus Calvo Berry the penalty kick.
Speaker 1: Arston then redeemed himself fantastically by assisting on Diego Luna's
Speaker 1: equalizer scoring.
Speaker 2: Now, oh no, he did not, Sorry, John Stop. He
Speaker 2: crossed a ball blindly to the area that happened to
Speaker 2: find Diego Luna, caused Diego Lunar to have to turn
Speaker 2: away from goal. Diego Luna just happens to be him, right,
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry. I'm not falling for that propaganda because
Speaker 2: this is like, I think, no offense to Alexi because
Speaker 2: he should have had about seventeen other assists. But like
Speaker 2: there's been a couple of times where Alecti just happened
Speaker 2: to pass the ball to a dude. No, it was
Speaker 2: last year. I remember this. Last year, Alexi hit a
Speaker 2: banger of a left foot shot and brooks Lennon got
Speaker 2: the assist because he just like passed the ball three yards.
Speaker 3: To It's like, yeah, that is Never forget the fact
Speaker 3: that the last Miguel Almronge goal for Lane United was
Speaker 3: actually brooks Lennon shooting a ball so poorly that it
Speaker 3: looked like a perfect pass right to the point where
Speaker 3: I was convinced he hit it so perfectly and thread
Speaker 3: the needles.
Speaker 1: Oh what did Jared do? I'm guessing somebody like I
Speaker 1: was convinced it was actual lee ye a pass and
Speaker 1: it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Look I'm just saying, are that calling that a brilliant.
Speaker 3: Is wrong?
Speaker 1: But continue well and and then the the wrap on
Speaker 1: Arston Day took another downturn though, and more beat him
Speaker 1: to set up Costa Rica's second goal to too, So
Speaker 1: that was, yeah, that's your defense. Midfielders Burholter is six,
Speaker 1: Milak tilman A seven, Adams Is six, Diego Luna seven,
Speaker 1: Delatories six and Jared apparently was hang on. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: go for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody, somebody like Spam called me and nuke my connection.
Speaker 3: Go through those numbers again.
Speaker 1: John, Okay, Yeah, Midfield Burholter is six, Malik Tillman a seven,
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams is six, Diego Luna is seven. Delatorious six.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Malik Tillman, by the way, suffered six fouls in the
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 3: Lea yeahen was good. Millie Tillman almost won you the
Speaker 3: game in the eighties. You know, like he had a
Speaker 3: bald laid off to him.
Speaker 2: He didn't.
Speaker 3: You're plitting the upper ninety.
Speaker 2: Milie Tillman deserves an eight in this game. And I'm
Speaker 2: just I think part of that, Jared, you said, Look,
Speaker 2: he caused a lot of problems. You know, he got
Speaker 2: the assist on Arsen's goal, which again it's not like
Speaker 2: he did a whole whole lot, but he did. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to beg him too bad.
Speaker 3: For the miss penalty.
Speaker 2: And here's why he hit post and had Navas beat.
Speaker 2: You know, he just put it, you know, three inches
Speaker 2: to why I didn't hit the post, he still missed it.
Speaker 2: I don't argue that, but that man was the focal
Speaker 2: point of everything. Costa Rica tried to do defensively and
Speaker 2: was still causing them hell. And Diego Lunar deserves an
Speaker 2: eight because Diego Luna is can do no wrong in
Speaker 2: my eyes. So that's my bias.
Speaker 3: Because there was a minute there where I wasn't sure
Speaker 3: they were going to do it, and Diego Luna was
Speaker 3: going to go to Mexico and Diego Luna was going
Speaker 3: to score brace gets the U S it's in a
Speaker 3: gold couch.
Speaker 2: He just man, he would have been their next puthanma
Speaker 2: Blanco of like just this little dude who breaks havoc
Speaker 2: on everyone because he just man, he wants it more
Speaker 2: than anyone else. But I think those are incredibly low
Speaker 2: ratings for Luna and Tillman, that's all. Richard's got a
Speaker 2: low rating as well. By the way, I thought Richards
Speaker 2: had a great game and giving him a six is
Speaker 2: a little that's weird.
Speaker 3: No, I don't want Diego Luna to get a move
Speaker 3: soon because I'm going to be living like fifteen minutes
Speaker 3: away now for I want to go enjoy watching him
Speaker 3: while I can't give me another year to enjoy this
Speaker 3: because I don't know is going to survive the year.
Speaker 3: So they're they're they're they they're actually like five un
Speaker 3: beaten now, but.
Speaker 2: I've turned it around a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They also they also need ownership to spend more money.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is also true. Let's see, uh forwards, big Pat,
Speaker 1: he got a six.
Speaker 2: Okay, fucking Charlotte. All right, Fine, we're gonna hype again.
Speaker 2: We're hyping. We just chose Pat to hype up for
Speaker 2: no reason other than we think.
Speaker 3: That he literally just talked about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time I talk about him, I feel like
Speaker 2: i'mdumping on him, because I have nothing against the man personally.
Speaker 2: He seems like a nice guy. He just doesn't do socker. Well.
Speaker 3: I can't tell if it's I can't tell if it's
Speaker 3: the system in Charlotte or what. Because Yeah, he burns
Speaker 3: up in ls next pro, he burns into the ground.
Speaker 3: He does exactly what he should do. He burns in
Speaker 3: the LUs next pro to the ground and salts the
Speaker 3: earth two years ago. Great job, did exactly what he
Speaker 3: should have done, got a chance with Charlotte, and then
Speaker 3: showed those flashes where you're like, oh, he is big,
Speaker 3: he is fast. In the right system, he could be
Speaker 3: an absolute problem. I don't know if it's Dean if
Speaker 3: it's like Dean Smith's system or what, or if it's
Speaker 3: like just to disconnect with him and b L and Zaha,
Speaker 3: who is also kind of been in this year, like
Speaker 3: it just man like, yeah it hasn't I hadn't been there.
Speaker 3: But I expected him to be more. I expected this
Speaker 3: to be like his Darryl DK year when DK was
Speaker 3: in Orlando before he went.
Speaker 2: Back to Jarrett. That is what people wanted, is a
Speaker 2: the next Darryl DK, and DK, I think is a
Speaker 2: perfect corollary because unfortunately for him, his lack of realization
Speaker 2: is just down to being hurt every week. But you
Speaker 2: could see DK had just better soccer ability and that's
Speaker 2: what I'm like, I'm not buying that from agamong and
Speaker 2: I'm not try like I'm trying to be measured about it.
Speaker 2: But it's just like he doesn't really even use his
Speaker 2: body to gain the levers that he needs to do
Speaker 2: all that much either.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that for me, I am disappointed
Speaker 1: in where pat Ajumong is concerned. I think that the
Speaker 1: Dean Smith system I think I think has slowed his
Speaker 1: growth as a as a power forward. And you see
Speaker 1: the frustration with Zaha. You see the frustrate well, you
Speaker 1: see the frustration with Zeha. Dean Smith yells and yells
Speaker 1: at clouds about everything going on if something goes wrong.
Speaker 1: But I think that there's some kind of a disconnect
Speaker 1: in what Dean Smith is trying to do in trying
Speaker 1: to get Zaha integrated, and it leaves Ajumunk out of
Speaker 1: the discussion. So you have pet Bl, You've got will Saha,
Speaker 1: and everybody is drawn to that power forward that is
Speaker 1: pat Agumon and it's like, okay, if we deny him,
Speaker 1: then we can frustrate pet Bl and Zaha and then
Speaker 1: their offense goes sideways. And if you stop the striker,
Speaker 1: then you focus on the midfielders and you bracket Agimong
Speaker 1: and then you get no goals scored on you. And
Speaker 1: then the back line, which is proving itself to be
Speaker 1: somewhat of an age issue and just trying to find
Speaker 1: the holes there, staying away from Milanda, going to the
Speaker 1: down the defensive left hand side, attacking on the right
Speaker 1: and you're getting all those holes and Christian Kalena is
Speaker 1: proving to be human. You know, you can only stop
Speaker 1: so many when you're getting so many thrown at you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Brad go again. I think Brad Guzan
Speaker 3: leads a league in goals allowed by a goalkeeper, but
Speaker 3: also leads the league in saves. Yes, because you're just
Speaker 3: in a shooting gallery every week. Yeah, And I mean, look,
Speaker 3: Atlanta could have given up six Wednesday night in Columbus. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you gave up three, and Brad made three or four
Speaker 3: huge saves where you just got big and just did
Speaker 3: the job. And to your point, in the same I
Speaker 3: think it right now. Foreshart, what's the same thing with Kleena,
Speaker 3: where you're giving up three goals a game, he's also
Speaker 3: making like three saves a game where you're like, how
Speaker 3: the hell do you do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, uh so let's see. And then the two
Speaker 1: subs Bart, just because it was cups of coffee, Damien
Speaker 1: Down's got a six and Tolkien got a five.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I'm gonna get props the Downs for finishing
Speaker 2: his penalty kick, which John Tolkien didn't do. Yes, so Tolkien,
Speaker 2: I will say, hit a good penalty kick, but you
Speaker 2: can't telegraph where you're gonna put the ball against kaylor Navice, No, no.
Speaker 3: And then he gets then he gets the leap like
Speaker 3: those legs turned back the clock five years. The reach
Speaker 3: across the body was just, oh my god, like that.
Speaker 3: Dude's so good. Dude still has those world class moments
Speaker 3: where you're like, man, I need the rest of the
Speaker 3: world to respect kaylor Novice the way they did, the
Speaker 3: way they would if his national team card said like
Speaker 3: Spain instead of Costa Rica on it.
Speaker 2: M hm yeah, and that's that's been the unfortunately for
Speaker 2: navas his thing his whole career. I mean, the dude
Speaker 2: has as a Champions League winner mh. But they were
Speaker 2: trying to replace him the entire time. They're on this
Speaker 2: run to the Champions League and he's bailing them out
Speaker 2: game after a game.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. Tim rem ran down a guy nearly
Speaker 1: half his age.
Speaker 2: He did. Tim Ring had a shaky game. He did
Speaker 2: that though, which was nice to see.
Speaker 1: Okay, just checking was I was kind of focusing with
Speaker 1: the the audio off or the audio that I was
Speaker 1: listening to was to day in a so it might
Speaker 1: have been lost in my uh in my schedules. Oh
Speaker 1: by the way, Niko Leafy, who is kind of keeping
Speaker 1: an eye on us this morning, can't can't handle on
Speaker 1: sec scan.
Speaker 3: It's the entire damn club World Cup and all of
Speaker 3: Europe can't handle sec weather, Paul, and it just the heat.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Did y'all have y'all talked about the
Speaker 3: fact that these clubs are like hanging out in the
Speaker 3: locker room instead of sitting on the bench because it's
Speaker 3: too hot for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't talked about that. We talked about Zomuresca
Speaker 1: saying that the weather was a joke. But the German
Speaker 1: clubs who are who are saying it's too hot and
Speaker 1: so they're just sitting inside.
Speaker 3: So what I'm hearing here is don't put the well,
Speaker 3: what I'm hearing here is don't put a single damn
Speaker 3: dime on Germany in the World Cup next year.
Speaker 1: No, I could see that, or.
Speaker 2: They're doing the whole thing of we're just being smarter,
Speaker 2: you know, work smarter, not harder, and it knows.
Speaker 3: I guess, like, yeah, my whole like the weather thing
Speaker 3: is fascinating to me. Where like we're complaining about, like, oh,
Speaker 3: like all these stoppages because of weather. I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: the United States man, Like a very very large chunk
Speaker 3: of this country exists in in a in an area
Speaker 3: where at least two natural disasters can happen every year,
Speaker 3: m h. Whatever they mean, whether whether that's hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, wildfires,
Speaker 3: the large trunk of this country is natural disaster prone
Speaker 3: and we have the most unhinged weather patterns on the planet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry, and as we learned last year, a lot of
Speaker 2: those places can have both of them happened to them.
Speaker 1: Absolutely true. All right, So we barely get to touch
Speaker 1: reffing down here, so we can put that to the
Speaker 1: side for later. We talked about Shaffelberg, we did, okay,
Speaker 1: So what's going on with the soccer for USPOD.
Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna record whenever we get done with the
Speaker 2: Gold Cup, we will record and talk about that. We'll
Speaker 2: probably throw some women's national team chat in there, because
Speaker 2: we do get a game against Canada on Wednesday, which
Speaker 2: should prove to be an actual evaluation game if you will.
Speaker 2: To Ireland, they're fine, but they're not up to the
Speaker 2: level that you can truly make takeaways other than hey,
Speaker 2: we won, that's good, so we will see what we
Speaker 2: look like on Wednesday, which again we got two games
Speaker 2: for the US going on Wednesday, game at seven and
Speaker 2: seven thirty, so some split screening will be necessary.
Speaker 1: Absolutely true. And if you are local and uh watching
Speaker 1: at a particular establishment, you might have to have a
Speaker 1: lot of carbs heading into the building one of those
Speaker 1: yeah man, uh uh huh yeah, yeah, you score four
Speaker 1: and a lot of folks are partaking in in.
Speaker 2: Luckily, we did not have a women's national well I
Speaker 2: w U likeily we didn't have a women's national team
Speaker 2: party last yesterday because uh, you know, we did have
Speaker 2: two matches and felt like being at a bar for
Speaker 2: six hours was probably a little too much even for
Speaker 2: a degenerate.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know, we're not norm unfortunately as much as he
Speaker 2: is my idol, you know. Yeah, uh yes, be careful,
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
Speaker 1: All in the pacing as always, my friend. Great to
Speaker 1: see you, and I know we went extra time hopefully
Speaker 1: we didn't get you into any trouble on a Monday.
Speaker 2: And successfully answered work email as well work well talking.
Speaker 1: To you you see there you go, all right, so
Speaker 1: we will catch up with you on the flip side
Speaker 1: of all this stuff. And as always, uh you know
Speaker 1: the way to crash as you drink from your Carolina core.
Speaker 2: At the same where you just wanted to shout them
Speaker 2: out real quick, because hey.
Speaker 1: Yes they're in the footprint. Yes they're in the footprint,
Speaker 1: absolutely true. All right, be good, Bart, we'll see you.
Speaker 2: Y'all have a wonderful Monday.