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Speaker 2: Wayne, what's going on? Man, Brian?
Speaker 3: Beautiful ass? What is going on?
Speaker 4: I am hanging in like a hair in a biscuit.
Another beautiful Wednesday as we record this. Our schedules have
been off because you and I have been busier than
one arm paper hangers, respectively, doing our own thing, been
busy out content. The new shows have gotten me busier
than ever. Disturbing History is doing fantastic. People are falling
in love with that show, the true crime show, The
Guilty Files is going strong. Just doing a lot of content.
I am literally immersed every single day and doing content.
People have reached out to me and said, dude, I
have no idea if you ever sleep, do you rest
at all? How do you get all this stuff done?
And Honestly, I don't even know how I do it myself.
It is such a labor of love. I think anybody
who's a content creator, I know you are a full
time content creator when you get into this and you
start doing what you truly love to do. It's an
old cliche, but it's really never worked for me. There
are days when you've got something to do, and we
have a show to go to tonight, so I have a
very busy schedule. We're recording this. When Danny gets back,
We've got to sit down and do our co hosted
episode for Friday of The Guilty Files, and I've got
to get all that stuff edited and turned around. But
it's only the pressure that I put on myself that
ever gets to me. But I truly I never feel
like I work a day in my life.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Do you feel the same way about what you do?
I know, outside of again those few moments here and
there where a guest cancels or you have a hard
time coming up with a show idea, But just in general,
don't you feel like this is the greatest thing you
could ever be doing with your life.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine doing anything else. I just I think
back to all the times when I was punching the
clock and worrying about a nine to five Monday through Saturday.
Now I get up when I want, usually eight nine
o'clock in the morning, hang out, do whatever, and then
I can go into my office in the studio and
work for a few hours. If I want to stop,
go do something, I can do that and come back. Lately,
I found that I've been trying to put a lot
more content out over on the Bigfoot Report, so I've
been working a little bit more. I'm a dad to
Happy birthday to Scarlet. Today is her birthday. She turns
forward today. Yeah, I've got her four days a week,
so she puts a limit on it. But those other days, man,
I love it. To answer your question, there's nothing I
would rather be doing but to speak to you. Dude.
I know you don't have any human kids, you got
furry kids. But I don't know how the fuck you're
doing it. Was it three four shows and one of
those shows you put out three a week, dude, I
don't know. Tiffany and I were talking about that. We
just don't know how you're doing it, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'll be honest some of the shows. I
did a couple yesterday. The Disturbing History Show is a
deep dive into these stories. Some of them are an
hour and a half even longer. So it's a lot
of narration. But I've gotten it down to a science
where I can write an episode, get it together, put
it down with few mistakes. You know what it's like
to narrate things. It's not the easiest thing in the
world to do. No, it's not somebody who left a
comment or a review recently about the way I was
reading the story or something, and I'm like, it's narration, dude,
It's not like a conversation. I think I'm a decent narrator.
Most people think I'm a decent narrator, so they're enjoying
the contents.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Of course, everybody always has something negative to say. You're
not going to please everybody. In addition to doing your content,
you also run a research organization, Manimal Research, And you
guys just went out recently out to the land between
the lakes and did a camp out for a couple
of days.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Tell us what happened out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a great time, A really fun time,
so much so that one of the reasons we wanted
to go out there to that area meet personally was
I wanted to scout it for the squatch out that
we have announced later this year. I talked a little
bit more about that in a minute. But we went
to this area, just fell in love with it. It's beautiful.
It was just amazing. We were there for Thursday, Friday,
and Saturday. We came home on a Sunday. I wasn't
able to go until Friday because I had scarlet. But
we get there Friday. It was raining the whole trip there.
It's like a four and a half hour drive for me.
I'm at the very bottom the south end of Tennessee
and lbl's on the Kentucky line, so I got to
drive the entire length of Tennessee to get there. So
I get there and the training and we a break
in the weather. Nothing major, nothing goes on, really cook
hang out with good people. Friday night comes. We just
built our fire. There's eight or ten of us. We
built our fire, got a good fire going. I'm sitting
there and I got my phone out because we have
service there, we can go live. So I decide I'm
let's do an episode go live. I got a hold
of Tiffany. She was on, I was on. We were
on streamyard waiting three or four minutes before we go live.
The fucking bottom falls out. It was the worst storm
I've ever been outdoors, and I've been through worse storms,
but to actually be outside while it's going on, it
was frightening. It was lightning every half second, winds. I
was in my jeep, and my jeep was swaying back
and forth, so much so that mister David's again also
known as Bigfoot Forensics, had a whole ass tree fall
over onto his truck. If you follow me or if
you're friends with me on Facebook or any of the
animal people on Facebook, you saw the pictures. It was scary.
I don't know if we caught the ass end of
a tornado or those streamline winds, whatever they're called. But
he was sitting in Thank god he wasn't in the camper,
because he's got his truck just completely decked out just
for this stuff. He's got cameras all the way around it.
The bed of his truck, he's got a camper show.
He has a mattress back there with a little generator
and these monitors where he can watch everything that's going
on around him. He's a real techy guy. So thankfully
he wasn't in the camper part. He and his dog,
Murphy were in the cab. He said, for whatever reason,
they come over him to put his seat belt on.
He wasn't driving. He used to over grabbed his seat
belt and he put it on, and then felt his
truck lifting up, and he says, he thought to himself,
this is it. I'm about to be picked up. He
leans over his dog and cradling his dog, and that's
when they heard the crack. The tree came down and
landed on the camper. And I was actually in my jeep.
I was about forty fifty yards away, and I was
filming the storm. I've shared some of it so you
can see I'm not exaggerating when I say lightning every
half second. It's almost daylight. It's lightning so much. I
didn't know it. But I went back a couple days
later and I looked at that first film I took,
and I actually caught on film Gary, which is Chris
Blaylock's husband Gary Blaylock, running from their camper over to
David's truck to check on him in this crazy storm
that's going on, because he saw the whole thing, and
then I caught him running back, So that's pretty cool footage.
I was hoping to catch the tree falling on it,
but wasn't able to. It was just out of frame.
Had I known that tree was going to fall, maybe
I would have, but there's no way of telling anything
like that. Yeah, that first night that I was there
was insane. Everybody was safe, though. There's a couple of
younger people in Chris Blaylock that were there, all adults,
early twenties. Chris's family came up and there's an outdoor
like a restroom and it's concreted in like brick walls
and stuff, and it's just one singular outhouse style toilet
in there that they come and pump. But it's pretty secure.
So they ran over and all got into that bathroom.
They got into a fight with a homeless person earlier
in the day that and talked a much about that.
This homeless guy came through and was pulling his cart
with everything he owned on the back of it. You
have to pay for this place, for this spot, you
reserve it it's yours. So he comes up and I
guess he was hoping no one was there, but we
were there, and he said, hey, you mind if I
use the restroom, that's fine, and then that turned into
I think I'm going to sleep there tonight. They're like, no, no,
you're not. We paid for this. He knew that a
storm was coming through, and he felt bad for the guy.
We offered, said can we call somebody get you somewhere,
and that's what ended up happening. We caught a ranger,
and a ranger came and got and we're not completely heartless,
but the point was we knew that the one was
coming too, and we paid for it, and we have
to use the restroom. We're not going to go in
there with that man sleeping and take a dump. It's
not going to happen. So we made sure he was safe.
And if it came down to it, I'm sure we
would have let him staying in there that would have happened,
but would rather him not. Yeah, that's a whole lot
to say about the first night, but it was insane.
I'm so thankful that everyone made it out. Okay, no
one was even injured. Really, David The only damage that
came to his truck was on the camper. It's going
to have to be replaced. But all of his equipment,
thousands of dollars of equipment inside his struck, none of
it was messed with a little bit of some stuff
got wet because of the cracks in the shell and everything,
but no damage to the truck at all. Everyone was safe,
so that was great as far as the rest of
the time. Yeah, we went up to the cemetery the
next night. There was four of us that went and
hung out up there and just sat for about an
hour and a half and listen weird noises. You hear
weird noises every time you're out there, and I'm in
no way am I saying it was bigfoot or dog
man or ghost or anything like that. Just stuff you
can't really explain, So that's always interesting. We were able
to get some pretty cool audio that we shared on
a live show that we did. No sightings, no bigfoot sightings,
anything like that. It's probably because there's not any bigfoot
in the LBL.
Speaker 4: Of course, there was no bigfoot there. I don't even
know why you guys were there, because had you reached
out to Pat over at Squatch Talk, Pat would have
schooled you and said, look, dude, there's absolutely no way
that there's bigfoot in the land between the Lakes.
Speaker 3: He would have corrected me, and I appreciate that he
did graciously offer on his show to talk to me
and correct me. I replied, and I'll say it right here, Pat, buddy,
I don't need to be corrected. I have never once
claim that I've seen a bigfoot, a dog man, any
kind of cryptid in the LBL not once. Have a
never said it. I've only been there a couple of times.
I don't need corrected. I guess the people that you
need to correct are the hundreds, if not thousands, that
have seen something or that claim that they have seen something.
You were calling every one of them a liar. At
the very least, you're calling them a liar. That's not cool.
It's not cool. Why is it so fucking hard for
you to say? In my opinion, given all these facts,
I don't see how bigfoot could be there. I might
fucking respect you if you said something like that. Yeah,
there's nothing wrong with that statement. You telling people that
you will correct them and tell them why it's impossible
for a creature to be there is laughable to me.
I feel myself getting heeded, So I'm gonna stop and
I'm gonna hand it back to you.
Speaker 4: The LBL is just a little bitty peninsula surrounded by
hundreds of thousands of people. So there's absolutely no way
that anything like a bigfoot or a dog man or
anything like that could exist. There's only one hundred and
seventy thousand acres of hardwood forests. And here's the thing
I didn't really understand, and we're talking about. Pap did
a live show a couple of days back over on
his squatch Talk YouTube channel, where all two hundred of
you guys have now watched this video of him pontificating
for an hour and a half about what he believes
to be true about Bigfoot and the bigfoot narrative. But
just the fact that he refers to the LBL as
a peninsula and he can't understand how anybody could see
a bigfoot making its way into that area. How would
it even get there. I'm going to go out on
a limb and say, probably walk.
Speaker 3: I've heard the heap legs, Brian.
Speaker 4: I've never seen a flying bigfoot, so I assumed they
would probably walk. I have heard stories of Bigfoot being
able to swim and maybe even swimming from one area
to another. In addition to talking about the land between
the lakes, Pat went out on the limb on his show.
I guess it's not a limb because it is fact
according to Pat, that there are no bigfoot in Kentucky, Tennessee,
and certainly not Florida. In addition to the LBL, there
can't be any bigfoot in any of those areas, particularly
the green swamp which you brought up, which, interestingly enough,
there's a green swamp here in North Carolina as well.
But let's take Kentucky for example. Kentucky has an estimated
twelve point three eight million acres of forested land, which
is forty eight percent of the total area of the
state of Kentucky is covered in hardwood forest. Yep, just
let that sit for a second, and let's talk about
the green swamp. I'm gonna throw in North Carolina since
I live here in North Carolina, I'm gonna throw that in.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 4: North Carolina has an estimated eighteen point seven million acres
of forested land, and that makes up sixty one percent
of the total state of North Carolina is covered in
hardwood forest. But in addition to that, like I said,
he mentioned the green Swamp specifically, and I'm assuming he
wasn't talking about the Green Swamp Preserve here in North Carolina,
which is approximately fifteen thousand acres here in North Carolina.
He was talking about the Green Swamp down in Florida,
which is also a preserve that encompasses five hundred and
sixty thousand acres of property protected wildlife property. So I
can see how it would be very difficult for something
like a sasquatch or even a group of sasquatch to
hide in say fifteen million acres or even five hundred
and sixty thousand acres of property anywhere in the southeastern
United States, because we know that's not possible at all. Right,
So that said, there was a few things. I'm going
to start by a green with Pat on something. Maybe
not start, but I'm going to digress for a moment
and agree with him on something.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Here's the one thing I do think Pat has right.
I think that the Bigfoot narrative is skewed.
Speaker 2: I think the bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Narrative, frankly, is fucked at this point. You and I
have talked about that openly.
Speaker 3: Before, agree one thousand percent.
Speaker 4: The phenomenon itself is what it is, but the narrative
is skewed. To say the least one thing he mentioned
was habituation or cohabitation sites that people claim to have
where for forty years or fifty years, they're dealing with
bigfoot on a daily basis, or they've got five or
six Bigfoot that live on their property that they babysit
the toddlers for. Yet there's absolutely no evidence to support
any of those claims. Ten fifteen years of cohabitating with
bigfoot and you can't have one clear photo and certainly.
Speaker 2: No video and or audio.
Speaker 4: It just happens, and we just take your story at
face value. I will be the first to admit I
think that's bullshit. If you make the claim, the extraordinary
claim of having a group of bigfoot, I don't care
if it's just one that cohabitates on your property, right
Janis Carter? Fifty years with bigfoot, zero fucking pictures? Yeah,
real quick, Brian, I don't want you to stop what
you're doing.
Speaker 3: But I do want to say that here. It's crazy
we're talking about this because recently, in the last couple
of weeks, I have re aired, like you did you
took my interviews with Janis Carter a couple of years ago.
I just did the same thing and I re aired him,
and I have gotten so much email about people asking me,
is this woman for real? It's fifty to fifty people
say yeah, I believe, and othery's saying there's no way,
but yeah, fifty years and no pictures. That's hard to swallow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. And the whole premise
of this, we'll call it an air quote show that
Pat did, was the fact that bigfoot, if they exist
at all, or if they ever existed at all, they
are elusive creatures. Right, Rare and elusive. Those are the
two buzzwords here, rare and elusive. So his argument is,
if they are so rare and elusive, then bigfoot researchers
and I'll get to the research part of that in
a minute, are all full of shit, because if they're
rare and elusive by definition, then nobody, including me, you,
or anybody who fancies themselves a bigfoot investigator or a
Bigfoot researcher or Bigfoot novice, whatever, can go out in
the woods and just simply interact with these things. He
makes the comments like, you guys went out in the
LBL and had you had experiences that people attributed to Bigfoot.
He would say, that's bullshit, because if these things are
so rare and elusive, why would they make vocalizations in
tree knocks and come in close to your camp. That
would be them engaging in engaging behavior, not being rare
and elusive. Okay, can get down with that for a second. Right,
If something is rare and elusive, like the wolverine, for example,
or the black panther that exists here in North Carolina
and other places like the United Kingdom around the world,
not too many people have a lot of interactions with
them because they are rare and elusive. However, if you
go and google black panther right now, you're gonna find video, audio,
and still photographs of black panthers across the country and
literally around the world. It exists, just like Bigfoot. If
you google Bigfoot, you're gonna see footage that people purport
to be a sasquatch walking or a still photo whatever.
So I argue that creatures can be rare and elusive
and yet have encounters with people who put themselves in
situations and areas like the land between the lakes or
other places that would be a habitat that would support
said animal. You can have rare and elusive and you
can have interactions with them. And here's where I diverge
from that. Here's where I divide my opinion on this.
I think if you're dealing with a large hairy hominid
that I believe Bigfoot to be, they are very close
to human beings. We are, by nature curious. Yes, apes
are curious, gorillas are curious, but nobos are curious. Spider
monkeys are curious, chimpanzees are curious. Any ape or monkey
are curious. By nature videos all the time. I laugh
at them on YouTube. I laugh at them on Instagram
where monkeys are coming in and tourist areas and slapping
people on the face, stealing their phones, stealing their hats.
Some people would say monkeys in certain areas are rare
and elusive. Right, there are rare and elusive breeds of monkey.
Mountain gorillas are rare and elusive, but I can see
fourteen videos right now on my Instagram feed because I
follow a mountain Gorilla account that shows nothing but videos
of people interacting with a mountain gorilla. You can find
them and interact with them. They come to these people
because they are curious. Sometimes these people put themselves in
harmon way because these creatures grab them, because they're so
curious about them. They want to groom them, they want
to take them out in the woods and.
Speaker 2: Play with them.
Speaker 4: So all that to say rear and elusive does not
mean that you can't have an interaction with these creatures.
But one thing that I have a real problem with
is Pat got on the documentary My Bigfoot Life, he
started talking about that. Of course, he gets into the
fact that this is after by the way, he admits
that if bigfoot does exist, or ever did exist, it
would exist in Canada and the Pacific northwest of the
United States.
Speaker 2: But yet he immediately.
Speaker 4: Says the documentary that we filmed in Washington State, in
a known bigfoot area where encounters have happened, where nests
have been found. We can't go there filming a documentary
and have any kind of encounter.
Speaker 2: That's bullshit.
Speaker 4: Even though he admitted if they exist at all, they
would exist in the very place where I had my
three encounters last summer. So that's a problem for me.
He can say what he wants. He called it a
Bigfoot elk. He's been on this kick about the thermal
footage that we captured that night being an elk, by
the way, thermal footage that Pat has never seen. Yeah,
he's never seen one second of this documentary. He's never
talked to anybody, including me who was a part of
said documentary, who had.
Speaker 2: Any of these encounters, never talked to us.
Speaker 4: He's just made up his mind whole cloth that everything's
bullshit because he doesn't believe Bigfoot exists. Therefore, his narrative,
which I think is wrong and broken, is that anything
that comes after that is bullshit because Bigfoot doesn't exist.
That's where he's working from. That's his premise, and that's
why it is flawed in the very beginning, because that's.
Speaker 2: The way he's approaching the subject.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he has gone basically, and I definitely want
you to stay where you're going with this, Brian, because
it's important. So he's taking a step further when he
says that there can't be anything in the LBL, all
the states that you just read off the wooded area
of each state. He didn't mention Georgia. He lives in Georgia.
You know how many reports come out of North Georgia
the mountains.
Speaker 2: But I'm assuming if they.
Speaker 3: Can't be in Tennessee or Kentucky or North Carolina, they
had to have went through those states to get to Georgia.
I'm assuming or that that's smart and they just took
a scenic route and went through Alabama. I don't know,
but he not only is calling everyone that has seen
one in the LBL a liar, he is now calling
everyone in the South. So we go from hundreds of
people to potentially tens of thousands that have seen something
in these states that Pat is now calling a liar,
and that just don't sit well with me. I just
wanted to throw that out there before you went on,
because what you're about to talk about is probably the
most important thing on the show.
Speaker 4: Well, before I get to that important thing I want
to talk about. He also mentioned researchers in general. He
says that there are no bigfoot researchers at all. Literally,
not one person in the world is a Bigfoot researcher.
And if we could prove that they were a real
Bigfoot researcher, they deserve their name on a Nobel Prize.
Speaker 2: He says. Just go look up researcher, just google it.
I did.
Speaker 4: Here is the definition of research the systematic investigation into
and study of materials and sources in order to establish
facts and reach new conclusions. Huh, that ain't what we do,
so I guess, and I've said this before, I don't
think that most people that are into the Bigfoot phenomena
are true researchers, and I stick by that. I think
they're investigators. I think they're investigating the subject. But research
is a step beyond, in my opinion. From investigation to
researcher is another step.
Speaker 3: I just want to touch on this. Researcher is a
title that we choose to give ourselves. Nobody goes to
Bigfoot school and earns that we choose to call ourselves
a researcher. Just throw that out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And here's the thing.
Speaker 4: Research is defined as the creation of new knowledge and
or the use of existing knowledge in a new and
creative way, so as to generate new concepts, methodologies, and understandings.
So let me give you an example of that. I'll
give you two examples. One would be Tom Shay in Kentucky.
Tom Shay has been researching bigfoot for decades. Tom goes
out and he puts out different things. He uses different
techniques to capture footprints, to capture fingerprints. He's gotten literal
handprints from these things sticking their hands inside of jars
of peanut butter that Tom has put out in his
research areas. That is the definition of using new methodologies
and using new techniques to further the research. That's exactly
what he's doing. Same thing with Jeff Harding from Pine
Island Research. Jeff has tried to collect fingerprints, the sebum
from these creatures fingers by going out into his research
area hours in a canoe or a kayak to hike
into his area where nobody else is, to put bouncy
balls out there that these things have picked up and moved.
I would consider that a research technique. I'm not doing
that on my property. You're not doing that. There's very
few people that are doing that. So not everybody in
this subject is a researcher.
Speaker 2: But by god, there's.
Speaker 4: Two people I just named Pat, you need to get
on the horn to the Nobel Peace Prize people, and
you need to have their name put on a Nobel
Prize because they are researching and have been researching Bigfoot
for a lot of years. I'm not even going to
get into some of the things Doug Hi checking other
people have done with camera traps and other things that
furthered their research into audio. The whole nine yards, it's
just ludicrous to say that, right, Yeah, And of course
he had to start harping on the Paul Freeman footage.
Somebody brought it up, I think in his chat one
of the six people that were watching had something to
say about Paul Freeman, and so he read the comment
and starts talking about how Paul Freeman is a known hoaxer.
It's proven, it's a fact that he's a hoaxer. Still
not seeing the proof. Still haven't seen anything that proves
that to me beyond any shadow of a doubt. So
that statement, by itself, it's false. He names my show
he talks about Sasquatch Odyssy. Somebody got it confused with
Bigfoot Odyssey, and Pat says, no, I'm not talking about
Bigfoot Otssey, I'm talking about Brian at sasquatch Odyssy.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk ill of the dead.
Speaker 4: Because carry Arnold passed away a few years ago in
a car accident. But yet every time he gets an opportunity.
The last time I checked, Paul Freeman's been dead for
twenty five fucking years. But it's okay to talk shit
about Paul Freeman, who can't defend himself, calling him a
known hoaxer. I have a problem with that. And of course,
beyond that, Pat can't let it go.
Speaker 2: The more he drinks, the more.
Speaker 4: He talks, And of course he had to talk more
about the documentary that I was involved in in and
talking about the fact that he caught us, all of
us involved in this film, in a lie because we
said that this film was being featured at Can's Film Festival,
one of the biggest film festivals in the world. Let
me cleue in on something. None of us had anything
to do with that. No, the people who filmed this,
the people who produced this eminem productions, great fantastic people.
Monica is one of my favorite people on Earth, A
lover to death. They put out a statement saying that
this film was being featured at Can's Film Festival.
Speaker 2: It was featured at the.
Speaker 4: CANS Film Festival market where you can go.
Speaker 2: I can go.
Speaker 4: Any producer can go and take a film, a documentary
film or whatever kind of film that we made and
pay to have it shown at CANS for investors to
look at and possibly get into the film.
Speaker 2: So that's the honest truth. That's what happened.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they put out the fact that
it was featured there. I'll just be frank with you.
Monica's first language is not English. She lives in the
United Kingdom, but she's from a different country. Her first
language is not English. Does she mispronounce words? Does she
screw up sentences sometimes in the English language?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Was that a simple oversight? Did she make a mistake?
It was not done to be deceitful.
Speaker 2: It was not a lie.
Speaker 4: But that's what Pat's calling it. He's calling it a lie.
He's basically calling this lady and her production company a lie.
Speaker 3: No problem calling anybody a liar. And that's my problem
with him.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing in the Coalition group that he
did a post about that, and it was all about
the fact that we were being deceitful. We were stealing valor.
It literally was called stolen valor by somebody in the comments,
that we were stealing the valor of being featured at
Cannes Film Festival, because that's some big honor that should
be reserve for people who actually get it. Okay, fair enough,
if that's the way you want to look at it, fine,
But I can tell you I nor anybody else who
appeared in this film or had anything to do with
this film behind the scenes, had any intentions of ever
stealing anybody's valor of being featured at Can's Film Festival.
They were just simply excited about taking this film that
they love and showing it to the people at the
Cans Film Festival market.
Speaker 2: That's all it was.
Speaker 4: I can't speak to what eminem Productions did with their announcement.
I can't say whether or not it was just a
simple misunderstanding and misuse of words. It happens to everybody.
We've all said stupid shit on live shows or on
these shows that made it out to the world that
we didn't mean. We crossover words, we call things that
they aren't.
Speaker 2: It happened.
Speaker 4: But to call somebody a liar and to say that
they're being deceitful without any kind of receipt, I think
is very irresponsible and I have a real hard time.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will
be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: I think that's a personal attack on people because I
don't personally like being called a liar. Here's the real
issue that it comes down to for me. If that
wasn't problematic enough, everything that Pat has said is problematic
in and of itself. Here's the real issue that I have,
and I'm going to issue a personal challenge to Pat.
I want you to really sit down and reflect if
you can remember what you said on the show, because
you appear to be drinking a little bit in the show,
and you'd slur in your words towards the end there.
So if you remember, if you don't, just rewind and
go back and listen to the part where you said
he calls Daniel Barnett. Daniel Lee Barnett, the kid who's
in this documentary. It's about him. It's about his life,
My Bigfoot Life featuring Daniel Lee Barnett. The kid is autistic,
and yet Pat has the audacity to get on his
live show and say Daniel exhibits no symptoms, He exhibits
nothing that would point to the fact that he's actually autistic.
Doctor Pat, how fucking dare you have the audacity to
talk about someone's condition when you have never had a
conversation with this kid, You've never spent a minute with him,
you've never met him. But to say that this kid
doesn't have something like autism is irresponsible and frankly, it
is slap ass bullshit. That is a lie, It is
a deception. And you have no idea what you're talking about.
So if you don't know what you're talking about, just
like the documentary that you've never seen, you've never seen
any of the footage that you reference all the time.
Speaker 2: Guess what.
Speaker 4: I have the thermal footage that you're talking about on
my computer right now. I've watched it multiple times. You
nor anybody else can watch this thermal footage and tell
me what it is in the footage. It is a
large heat signature.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: I don't know where the fuck you got that. It's
an elk. I don't know if he's clairvoyant. I don't
know if he can somehow teleport his way into people's
computers and see this footage that he likes to refer
to that he hasn't seen. But it's just like the
autism thing. It's like coming out and saying somebody doesn't
have heart disease or somebody doesn't have diabetes. How the
fuck do you know? You don't, Pat, So shut the
fuck up. If you want to talk about Bigfoot, fine.
If you want to push your narrative, fine, If you
want to tear down the Bigfoot narrative, fine, but leave
the kid alone. He doesn't need to hear stuff like
that falling out of your fucking mouth. If you don't
know what you're talking about, just shut the fuck up.
You don't have the balls to have a conversation with me.
I've reached out multiple times publicly and privately, and you
still don't want to talk about anything other than on
your stupid ass show. Then nobody fucking listens to. You
want to shoot shots at me and then say things like, oh,
and Brian's going to get behind his big microphone and
he sends trolls after me. Dude, I've never sent a
fucking troll after anybody. Here's the thing, you Pat are
the fucking troll. You don't have anything to do with
any of this stuff that you're talking about. He even
said it multiple times on his show. I don't even
know why I'm doing this. I don't even fucking care.
I shouldn't even be talking about this. Pat, for once,
you should take your own advice and just stop fucking
talking about shit that you have no idea about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's.
Speaker 4: Not a good look for a grown ass drunk man
to go on YouTube and talk shit about a sixteen
year old autistic kid that you've never met and don't
know anything about. If you don't want to have a
conversation with me publicly on your show or mine, you
don't want to have it privately because you've had my
phone number, you don't call me. You just want to
tell me what I didn't see and what I don't
know and what the narrative says. But you want to
do it on your show when it's just you and
your drink. That's not how I operate, Dude, Shut the
fuck up about the kid. Stick to what you do know.
If you want to say there's no big foot in
the LBL, fine, But if you want to say Daniel
is an autistic, fuck you, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Pat all that personally used to like the guy. I'm
not saying that I don't like him now. I don't
like the way he acts, I don't like the way
he presents himself and talks about things. I'll just say
that I don't know him personally. We've talked about going
camping together a few times. Because he and I don't
live too far apart. I don't know if Pat has
any kids. It is the point I'm trying to make.
I don't know him well enough to know that that.
I tell you, man, you start talking about my kid
that has a disability and saying shit like that, we're
gonna have a problem. Buddy. Brian and I talked about
this a little bit before we came on, just because
Daniel and his dad live in the UK, They're over
here a lot. Just watch what you say about somebody's kid.
We're talking about a minor, a kid that can't take
up for himself physically, but his dady can't. And you
talk about somebody's kids as a man, you don't talk
about they're a woman, and you don't.
Speaker 2: Talk about the kids. Yeah, I just think it's sad.
Speaker 4: Again, I don't begrudge anybody their opinion about anything related
to bigfoot or anything in this world. It's a free country.
You have the right to your opinion. You have the
right to express it, just like we do on this show.
I think the problem is when it gets personal, and
we got personal with Pat a year ago when we
talked about it on the show, I admitted that I
took it too far personally. That's why I'm not doing
that now. I'm sticking to the facts. And the fact
is you have no idea what you're talking about when
it comes to this documentary and when it comes to
Daniel as a kid period, you don't know anything. You
only know what you think you know, and you're putting
it out there as fact and it's bullshit. He even
joked at one point saying there's virtually zero possibility that
there's a bigfoot out there, and he has to say
virtually even though it's really zero. He has to say
virtually to cover his ass because people get onto him
for always saying there's no way, absolutely no way, dude.
Nobody really gives a fuck about your disclaimers because everything
that comes out of your mouth is bullshit because you
don't know what you're talking about. Again, you're entitled to
your opinion. You're just not entitled to your opinion about
shit you don't know anything about. When it comes to
the documentary and this kid's medical condition, he has autism,
plain and simple. He should not have to defend the
fact that he's autistic from people like you who want
to make stupid ass comments and say that he's not.
Before we get out of here, let's switch gears a
little bit and talk about something that's been on our
radar for quite a while, which is mister Todd Gatewood
and his Patterson Gimlin film restoration project. I sent you
something a couple of days ago that popped up on
my Facebook feed where Todd overnight, I think it was
like middle of the night, early in the morning, made
this weird host on his Facebook about the fact that
he had sold his copy of the Patterson Gimlin film
and basically, the Bigfoot community gets what they deserve.
Speaker 2: Kind of cryptic. Interesting.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to make of it, but it
sounded to me you and I were reading between the lines,
going back and forth via text saying what does this
mean if he sold his copy, is he not going
to be able to now do the restoration that he's promised.
What about the documentary that he's been talking about for
the last year on his YouTube channel and all these
podcast interviews, and he's now doing speaking events. I see
him popping up as a speaker at Bigfoot conferences, so
he's clearly talking about this. So what does that mean
if he sold the film, does he still have what
he needs to work with it is the person who
bought it, which is very cryptic, are they going to
allow him to do this? Funny enough, after that happened,
we waited two or three days, and lo and behold,
he makes another post on Facebook. I think it was
yesterday or the day before. While I it's back on folks.
He's been in negotiations with the new owner of his
copy of the film and they are now going to
allow him to continue his restoration project. So it's still coming.
I really don't even know what to think at this point.
In the post that he did on Facebook, he actually
shouted out to me and Brett Eichenberger about watching Brent's
documentary films. Who did the Flash of Beauty film, and
he's done other documentaries on Bigfoot, and of course my
podcast content because we're great content creators. He's even went
back and liked some of my personal stuff on Facebook.
Over the last couple of days. It's been this weird
dichotomy because some of the last interactions we had were
not pleasant at all. I've read you some of those privately,
and I think I even talked a little bit about
it on the show. Flip the script on me. So
I don't know that I have anything personally against this dude.
I want to keep it to the point of I'm
just confused at this point. I'm so confused like I've
always been about if you don't own this film to
start with, because if you have a copy of it, sure,
I have a copy of about three hundred books, but
I don't own what's in the books.
Speaker 2: I just own the book.
Speaker 4: I can't take those books off the shelf and read
them on my show for content because I don't own
what's in the books.
Speaker 3: And change the wording ground. You can't do that.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing with a copy of the Patterson
Gimblin film if you don't own the rights. Because I
believe somebody who's in the know actually sent me a
couple of messages about that when I shared his post
on Facebook that they had not seen, said, I think
Dehendon ended up and I'm probably screwing this up, so
forgive me if I do. But basically, in a nutshell,
Patricia Patterson got the rights to the video part of
the film, and I think Renee de Hendon, thus, after
his passing, Renee de Hendon's estate had the rights to
the still photographs or any still photographs that were taken
from any of the frames of the film. So even
that is separated, Like, Patricia Patterson by law couldn't take
steals from the Patterson Gimblin film and sell them to
anybody because she doesn't own the rights to them, even
though her husband filmed the fucking thing just the way
that it was done legally, and vice versa. De Hendon's
family after his passing, his sons or whomever now owns
that part of the film can't take the video and
sell it to somebody in a licensing deal. So again
it goes back to my confusion. How does Todd Gatewood
have a dog in any of those fights? How can
he do anything with the film that he doesn't own
the rights to do, Because if Patricia Patterson and her
estate owns the video rights, and de Hendon and his
estate owns the still version of the film's rights. I
don't hear Todd Gatewood in either of those scenarios. So
I've been confused from day one about how he can
do anything with the film outside of three fifty two,
which is we've talked about before. It's basically copy right
free because it's common use, because it's been seen by
millions of people for fucking fifty years. So I don't
understand even if this person that bought the copy of
the film, you have a copy of the film now,
but what can you do with it if you don't
own the rights to show it? I don't understand any
of it. It's really confusing to me. It seems like
some wishy washy, almost some grifting shit. I don't know
what he's doing here. I don't know what the play
here is, and I don't know how even if he
sold this film to whomever, if he sold the physical
canister with the film in it, sure, but what the
fuck are you gonna do with it? Are you as
confused as me? I can tell by your face that
you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I can't answer any of those questions,
and I don't really know who can do. We need
to contact an attorney and ask them. It does not
make any sense to me. And I still want to
know where he got his copy if he Eden has
a dog in this hunt, because I can go on
YouTube right now, in screen record the entire thing and
tell you I got a copy right here, everybody want
to buy it. I don't know how that works. I
have the feeling something big is gonna come around the corner.
Something's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I have the interview scheduled with the person
who claims that Todd got his copy of the film
that he claims to have now sold to someone else.
We've got that scheduled. I think mid June is why
I'm doing that interview, so hopefully we'll get at least
that part of the story, and I leave it open
to Todd. I would gladly have Todd on the show,
either over here or Sasquatch Odyssey or both. I don't
care to have that conversation because I am confused. I
would love for him to sit down, uninterrupted, no script,
no agenda, and just explain himself. That's all I really want.
I just want to understand. Again, the guy may be
on the up and up.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It just seems a little fishy to me that there
seems to be this back room deal, and from my understanding,
the way that he got his copy of the film
may not be entirely.
Speaker 2: The best way to go about it.
Speaker 4: Let's say yeah, yeah, and again, it's one side of
the story. I'm sure he has a different take on it,
so I'd love to hear that take. We're gonna get
that from the person who alleges that he got that
copy from, so at least we'll have that part of
the story. He may never come on and share his part,
but I challenge him to do that because I think
it would clear a lot of things up for a
lot of people. I would like to see what he's
doing with the film. If he truly is going to
restore it to the point where it's better than what
we've seen in the past, I am always down for that.
Speaker 2: I just don't want it to be ai.
Speaker 4: I don't want things to be put into the film
that aren't originally there.
Speaker 2: And if he did it on the up and up.
Speaker 4: If he got his copy the right way, if he
has the ability and the right to do what he's doing,
and he's able to improve the evidence that we've lived
with since nineteen sixty seven. Look them all about it,
But there's something in my gut, there's something that sticks
deep in my craw that just says that may not
be entirely accurate. So I want to have that conversation,
pferably with Todd. Always leave that an open invitation to
anybody that we talk about on the show. I've done
it several times with Pat privately and publicly, given him
the opportunity to have a public conversation about some of
the things that he said about me, the film, Daniel,
all these things. Same thing with Todd. If Todd wants
to have a conversation, we'll be civil. We can have
a conversation, he can explain himself and maybe we can
move forward and maybe he is doing something that we've
never seen before with the film that will help us
maybe take this a step further. But I tell you,
there's just too many questions, these cryptid, weird I'm sorry
posts and saying things like the Bigfoot community got what
they deserved, but then just a few days later it's
back on it.
Speaker 2: Just seems so weird to me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, didn't he delete that first one
like a few hours after?
Speaker 4: No, somebody else said the same thing to me. But
I've pulled it up since then and it looks like
it's still there. I'm doing it in real time now.
Speaker 2: Just to see.
Speaker 4: But somebody else said they were having a hard time
finding it.
Speaker 2: No, it's right there.
Speaker 4: It was from five days ago, the original post, and
the other one was one day ago, and he just
posted thirty three minutes ago about something else.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We
will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: You know, I was gonna say, if he did take
it down, we have all maybe had a little bit
too much to drink one night and just got on
social media and popped off, said some shit, we regretted,
and then when we sobered it up the next morning,
oh shit, take it down. So I didn't know if
it was a situation like that, But it's still up.
And I don't know why it's so important for him
to talk about it being an LLC or a corporation
owned by this, which is better than owned by this.
His family's attorney practice the oldest in the country. I
don't understand what any of that has to do with it.
That's what makes me wonder.
Speaker 4: I'll read it because the first one from five days
ago is pretty short, so I'm just gonna read it verbatim.
There's a picture, it's just a black background in the
words I'm sorry, period, and the post is quote. A
corporation has purchased the Patterson Gimlin film that I own
the nineteen sixty seven film just transferred the ownership to
a C corporation and just sold it to a limited
liability corp in LLC, which sold it to a trust.
These details are hard to track, being in Oklahoma and
Indian Territory. The trust is privately owned. The trust is
registered in Nebraska. I cannot tell you when you will
see it, or who owns it, or where it will
be seen. Sorry Dot Bigfooters, Comma, you get what you deserve.
End quote. I think that speaks for itself. That's pretty cryptic.
There's a lot of what appears to be useless cryptic
information about it being sold to a SA corp that
sold it to an ll SC that sold it to
a trust. None of that shit makes sense to me,
and it seems to be completely irrelevant to anything that
would have to do with the film or his restoration project.
And then, of course he did a follow up from
just a day ago that's a little bit longer. I'm
not going to read that verbatim. If you want to
check it out, go check out Todd Gatewood's Facebook and
you can see it there. But yeah, it just seems
really weird to me. I would just like him to
explain man without double talk, without going out into left field,
without any shiny objects. Hey, look over here. You know
we're not on fucking RuPaul's drag race. Here, let's talk
about what the facts are. Where did you get your
copy of the film? How did you get the rights
to restore it and show any part of it in
a documentary? And then how did you have the right
to then turn around and sell those rights if you
did to somebody else.
Speaker 3: They're pretty fucking straightforward questions that could easily get straightforward answers.
But as we've talked about in the past, and you
have put it many times, he has that ability to, hey,
look over here, to answer a question without even coming
close to answering the.
Speaker 4: Question, Todd, where did you get your copy of the
Patterson Gimblin film. When I was sixteen, my first car
was a Buick Skylark, and I went to Johnson City
High School and I watched the Patterson Gimlin film once.
But I took Becky to the prompt. It's the same
fucking thing over and over. The answer to the question
never happens, and by the time he's done, you're thinking
about twelve other things. It's classic used car salesman look
over here tactics. And I just like him to be straightforward.
So Todd, if you're listening, and I may reach out
to him privately and just see if he's willing to
come on and talk about it. I think he listens
to podcast. I've heard him reference things in the past
when we've talked about him before. Maybe that'll happen. You
got stay tuned and see. But for now, I think
that's about all the horses we can beat to death. Wayne,
you get the last word on the show, my friends.
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