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Speaker 1: Welcome to that Bigfoot podcast, where we believe in free speech,

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open discussion, and having a laugh. If that offends you,

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well we're not sorry. We talk a lot and we

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stand by most of it, unless you're a snowflake, in

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which case just assume we didn't mean it. This podcast

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is a mix of truth, nonsense and humor, so buckle

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up and don't take it too seriously. Listener discretion is

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strongly advised.

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Speaker 2: Wayne, what's going on? Man, Brian?

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Speaker 3: Beautiful ass? What is going on?

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Speaker 4: I am hanging in like a hair in a biscuit.

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Another beautiful Wednesday as we record this. Our schedules have

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been off because you and I have been busier than

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one arm paper hangers, respectively, doing our own thing, been

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busy out content. The new shows have gotten me busier

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than ever. Disturbing History is doing fantastic. People are falling

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in love with that show, the true crime show, The

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Guilty Files is going strong. Just doing a lot of content.

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I am literally immersed every single day and doing content.

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People have reached out to me and said, dude, I

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have no idea if you ever sleep, do you rest

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at all? How do you get all this stuff done?

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And Honestly, I don't even know how I do it myself.

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It is such a labor of love. I think anybody

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who's a content creator, I know you are a full

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time content creator when you get into this and you

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start doing what you truly love to do. It's an

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old cliche, but it's really never worked for me. There

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are days when you've got something to do, and we

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have a show to go to tonight, so I have a

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very busy schedule. We're recording this. When Danny gets back,

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We've got to sit down and do our co hosted

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episode for Friday of The Guilty Files, and I've got

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to get all that stuff edited and turned around. But

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it's only the pressure that I put on myself that

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ever gets to me. But I truly I never feel

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like I work a day in my life.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel the same way about what you do?

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I know, outside of again those few moments here and

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there where a guest cancels or you have a hard

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time coming up with a show idea, But just in general,

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don't you feel like this is the greatest thing you

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could ever be doing with your life.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine doing anything else. I just I think

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back to all the times when I was punching the

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clock and worrying about a nine to five Monday through Saturday.

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Now I get up when I want, usually eight nine

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o'clock in the morning, hang out, do whatever, and then

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I can go into my office in the studio and

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work for a few hours. If I want to stop,

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go do something, I can do that and come back. Lately,

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I found that I've been trying to put a lot

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more content out over on the Bigfoot Report, so I've

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been working a little bit more. I'm a dad to

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Happy birthday to Scarlet. Today is her birthday. She turns

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forward today. Yeah, I've got her four days a week,

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so she puts a limit on it. But those other days, man,

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I love it. To answer your question, there's nothing I

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would rather be doing but to speak to you. Dude.

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I know you don't have any human kids, you got

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furry kids. But I don't know how the fuck you're

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doing it. Was it three four shows and one of

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those shows you put out three a week, dude, I

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don't know. Tiffany and I were talking about that. We

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just don't know how you're doing it, man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'll be honest some of the shows. I

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did a couple yesterday. The Disturbing History Show is a

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deep dive into these stories. Some of them are an

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hour and a half even longer. So it's a lot

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of narration. But I've gotten it down to a science

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where I can write an episode, get it together, put

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it down with few mistakes. You know what it's like

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to narrate things. It's not the easiest thing in the

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world to do. No, it's not somebody who left a

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comment or a review recently about the way I was

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reading the story or something, and I'm like, it's narration, dude,

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It's not like a conversation. I think I'm a decent narrator.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Of course, everybody always has something negative to say. You're

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not going to please everybody. In addition to doing your content,

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you also run a research organization, Manimal Research, And you

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guys just went out recently out to the land between

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the lakes and did a camp out for a couple

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Tell us what happened out there.

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so much so that one of the reasons we wanted

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to go out there to that area meet personally was

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I wanted to scout it for the squatch out that

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we have announced later this year. I talked a little

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bit more about that in a minute. But we went

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to this area, just fell in love with it. It's beautiful.

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and Saturday. We came home on a Sunday. I wasn't

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able to go until Friday because I had scarlet. But

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we get there Friday. It was raining the whole trip there.

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and lbl's on the Kentucky line, so I got to

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drive the entire length of Tennessee to get there. So

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I get there and the training and we a break

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in the weather. Nothing major, nothing goes on, really cook

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hang out with good people. Friday night comes. We just

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built our fire. There's eight or ten of us. We

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there and I got my phone out because we have

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service there, we can go live. So I decide I'm

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let's do an episode go live. I got a hold

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of Tiffany. She was on, I was on. We were

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on streamyard waiting three or four minutes before we go live.

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The fucking bottom falls out. It was the worst storm

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but to actually be outside while it's going on, it

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was frightening. It was lightning every half second, winds. I

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was in my jeep, and my jeep was swaying back

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and forth, so much so that mister David's again also

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known as Bigfoot Forensics, had a whole ass tree fall

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over onto his truck. If you follow me or if

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you're friends with me on Facebook or any of the

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animal people on Facebook, you saw the pictures. It was scary.

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I don't know if we caught the ass end of

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a tornado or those streamline winds, whatever they're called. But

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he was sitting in Thank god he wasn't in the camper,

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because he's got his truck just completely decked out just

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for this stuff. He's got cameras all the way around it.

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and these monitors where he can watch everything that's going

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on around him. He's a real techy guy. So thankfully

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he wasn't in the camper part. He and his dog,

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Murphy were in the cab. He said, for whatever reason,

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they come over him to put his seat belt on.

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belt and he put it on, and then felt his

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truck lifting up, and he says, he thought to himself,

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this is it. I'm about to be picked up. He

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leans over his dog and cradling his dog, and that's

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when they heard the crack. The tree came down and

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landed on the camper. And I was actually in my jeep.

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filming the storm. I've shared some of it so you

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can see I'm not exaggerating when I say lightning every

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half second. It's almost daylight. It's lightning so much. I

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didn't know it. But I went back a couple days

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later and I looked at that first film I took,

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and I actually caught on film Gary, which is Chris

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Blaylock's husband Gary Blaylock, running from their camper over to

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David's truck to check on him in this crazy storm

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that's going on, because he saw the whole thing, and

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then I caught him running back, So that's pretty cool footage.

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but wasn't able to. It was just out of frame.

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like that. Yeah, that first night that I was there

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was insane. Everybody was safe, though. There's a couple of

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younger people in Chris Blaylock that were there, all adults,

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early twenties. Chris's family came up and there's an outdoor

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like a restroom and it's concreted in like brick walls

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and stuff, and it's just one singular outhouse style toilet

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in there that they come and pump. But it's pretty secure.

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in the day that and talked a much about that.

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with everything he owned on the back of it. You

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have to pay for this place, for this spot, you

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reserve it it's yours. So he comes up and I

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guess he was hoping no one was there, but we

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were there, and he said, hey, you mind if I

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use the restroom, that's fine, and then that turned into

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I think I'm going to sleep there tonight. They're like, no, no,

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you're not. We paid for this. He knew that a

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storm was coming through, and he felt bad for the guy.

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and that's what ended up happening. We caught a ranger,

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and a ranger came and got and we're not completely heartless,

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but the point was we knew that the one was

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coming too, and we paid for it, and we have

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to use the restroom. We're not going to go in

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there with that man sleeping and take a dump. It's

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not going to happen. So we made sure he was safe.

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would have let him staying in there that would have happened,

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but would rather him not. Yeah, that's a whole lot

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to say about the first night, but it was insane.

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I'm so thankful that everyone made it out. Okay, no

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one was even injured. Really, David The only damage that

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to have to be replaced. But all of his equipment,

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thousands of dollars of equipment inside his struck, none of

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it was messed with a little bit of some stuff

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got wet because of the cracks in the shell and everything,

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but no damage to the truck at all. Everyone was safe,

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so that was great as far as the rest of

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the time. Yeah, we went up to the cemetery the

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next night. There was four of us that went and

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hung out up there and just sat for about an

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hour and a half and listen weird noises. You hear

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weird noises every time you're out there, and I'm in

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no way am I saying it was bigfoot or dog

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man or ghost or anything like that. Just stuff you

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can't really explain, So that's always interesting. We were able

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to get some pretty cool audio that we shared on

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a live show that we did. No sightings, no bigfoot sightings,

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anything like that. It's probably because there's not any bigfoot

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Speaker 4: Of course, there was no bigfoot there. I don't even

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know why you guys were there, because had you reached

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out to Pat over at Squatch Talk, Pat would have

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schooled you and said, look, dude, there's absolutely no way

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that there's bigfoot in the land between the Lakes.

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Speaker 3: He would have corrected me, and I appreciate that he

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did graciously offer on his show to talk to me

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and correct me. I replied, and I'll say it right here, Pat, buddy,

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I don't need to be corrected. I have never once

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claim that I've seen a bigfoot, a dog man, any

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kind of cryptid in the LBL not once. Have a

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never said it. I've only been there a couple of times.

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I don't need corrected. I guess the people that you

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need to correct are the hundreds, if not thousands, that

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have seen something or that claim that they have seen something.

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You were calling every one of them a liar. At

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the very least, you're calling them a liar. That's not cool.

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I don't see how bigfoot could be there. I might

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fucking respect you if you said something like that. Yeah,

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there's nothing wrong with that statement. You telling people that

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you will correct them and tell them why it's impossible

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for a creature to be there is laughable to me.

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I feel myself getting heeded, So I'm gonna stop and

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hundreds of thousands of people. So there's absolutely no way

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that anything like a bigfoot or a dog man or

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anything like that could exist. There's only one hundred and

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seventy thousand acres of hardwood forests. And here's the thing

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I didn't really understand, and we're talking about. Pap did

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his squatch Talk YouTube channel, where all two hundred of

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you guys have now watched this video of him pontificating

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for an hour and a half about what he believes

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to be true about Bigfoot and the bigfoot narrative. But

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just the fact that he refers to the LBL as

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a peninsula and he can't understand how anybody could see

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a bigfoot making its way into that area. How would

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it even get there. I'm going to go out on

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a limb and say, probably walk.

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Speaker 3: I've heard the heap legs, Brian.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen a flying bigfoot, so I assumed they

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would probably walk. I have heard stories of Bigfoot being

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able to swim and maybe even swimming from one area

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to another. In addition to talking about the land between

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the lakes, Pat went out on the limb on his show.

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I guess it's not a limb because it is fact

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according to Pat, that there are no bigfoot in Kentucky, Tennessee,

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and certainly not Florida. In addition to the LBL, there

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can't be any bigfoot in any of those areas, particularly

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the green swamp which you brought up, which, interestingly enough,

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there's a green swamp here in North Carolina as well.

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twelve point three eight million acres of forested land, which

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is forty eight percent of the total area of the

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state of Kentucky is covered in hardwood forest. Yep, just

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let that sit for a second, and let's talk about

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the green swamp. I'm gonna throw in North Carolina since

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Speaker 4: North Carolina has an estimated eighteen point seven million acres

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of forested land, and that makes up sixty one percent

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of the total state of North Carolina is covered in

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hardwood forest. But in addition to that, like I said,

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he mentioned the green Swamp specifically, and I'm assuming he

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wasn't talking about the Green Swamp Preserve here in North Carolina,

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which is approximately fifteen thousand acres here in North Carolina.

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which is also a preserve that encompasses five hundred and

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sixty thousand acres of property protected wildlife property. So I

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can see how it would be very difficult for something

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like a sasquatch or even a group of sasquatch to

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hide in say fifteen million acres or even five hundred

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and sixty thousand acres of property anywhere in the southeastern

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United States, because we know that's not possible at all. Right,

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So that said, there was a few things. I'm going

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to start by a green with Pat on something. Maybe

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not start, but I'm going to digress for a moment

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and agree with him on something.

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be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 4: Here's the one thing I do think Pat has right.

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I think that the Bigfoot narrative is skewed.

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Speaker 2: I think the bigfoot.

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Speaker 4: Narrative, frankly, is fucked at this point. You and I

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have talked about that openly.

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Speaker 3: Before, agree one thousand percent.

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Speaker 4: The phenomenon itself is what it is, but the narrative

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is skewed. To say the least one thing he mentioned

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was habituation or cohabitation sites that people claim to have

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where for forty years or fifty years, they're dealing with

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bigfoot on a daily basis, or they've got five or

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six Bigfoot that live on their property that they babysit

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the toddlers for. Yet there's absolutely no evidence to support

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any of those claims. Ten fifteen years of cohabitating with

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bigfoot and you can't have one clear photo and certainly.

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Speaker 2: No video and or audio.

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Speaker 4: It just happens, and we just take your story at

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face value. I will be the first to admit I

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think that's bullshit. If you make the claim, the extraordinary

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claim of having a group of bigfoot, I don't care

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if it's just one that cohabitates on your property, right

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Janis Carter? Fifty years with bigfoot, zero fucking pictures? Yeah,

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real quick, Brian, I don't want you to stop what

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you're doing.

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Speaker 3: But I do want to say that here. It's crazy

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we're talking about this because recently, in the last couple

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of weeks, I have re aired, like you did you

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took my interviews with Janis Carter a couple of years ago.

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I just did the same thing and I re aired him,

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and I have gotten so much email about people asking me,

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is this woman for real? It's fifty to fifty people

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say yeah, I believe, and othery's saying there's no way,

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but yeah, fifty years and no pictures. That's hard to swallow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. And the whole premise

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of this, we'll call it an air quote show that

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Pat did, was the fact that bigfoot, if they exist

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at all, or if they ever existed at all, they

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are elusive creatures. Right, Rare and elusive. Those are the

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two buzzwords here, rare and elusive. So his argument is,

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if they are so rare and elusive, then bigfoot researchers

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and I'll get to the research part of that in

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a minute, are all full of shit, because if they're

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rare and elusive by definition, then nobody, including me, you,

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or anybody who fancies themselves a bigfoot investigator or a

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Bigfoot researcher or Bigfoot novice, whatever, can go out in

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the woods and just simply interact with these things. He

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makes the comments like, you guys went out in the

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LBL and had you had experiences that people attributed to Bigfoot.

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He would say, that's bullshit, because if these things are

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so rare and elusive, why would they make vocalizations in

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tree knocks and come in close to your camp. That

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would be them engaging in engaging behavior, not being rare

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and elusive. Okay, can get down with that for a second. Right,

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If something is rare and elusive, like the wolverine, for example,

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or the black panther that exists here in North Carolina

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and other places like the United Kingdom around the world,

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not too many people have a lot of interactions with

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them because they are rare and elusive. However, if you

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go and google black panther right now, you're gonna find video, audio,

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and still photographs of black panthers across the country and

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literally around the world. It exists, just like Bigfoot. If

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you google Bigfoot, you're gonna see footage that people purport

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to be a sasquatch walking or a still photo whatever.

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and yet have encounters with people who put themselves in

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situations and areas like the land between the lakes or

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other places that would be a habitat that would support

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said animal. You can have rare and elusive and you

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can have interactions with them. And here's where I diverge

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from that. Here's where I divide my opinion on this.

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I think if you're dealing with a large hairy hominid

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that I believe Bigfoot to be, they are very close

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to human beings. We are, by nature curious. Yes, apes

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are curious, gorillas are curious, but nobos are curious. Spider

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monkeys are curious, chimpanzees are curious. Any ape or monkey

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are curious. By nature videos all the time. I laugh

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at them on YouTube. I laugh at them on Instagram

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where monkeys are coming in and tourist areas and slapping

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people on the face, stealing their phones, stealing their hats.

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and elusive. Right, there are rare and elusive breeds of monkey.

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Mountain gorillas are rare and elusive, but I can see

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fourteen videos right now on my Instagram feed because I

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follow a mountain Gorilla account that shows nothing but videos

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of people interacting with a mountain gorilla. You can find

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them and interact with them. They come to these people

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because they are curious. Sometimes these people put themselves in

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harmon way because these creatures grab them, because they're so

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curious about them. They want to groom them, they want

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to take them out in the woods and.

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Speaker 2: Play with them.

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Speaker 4: So all that to say rear and elusive does not

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mean that you can't have an interaction with these creatures.

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But one thing that I have a real problem with

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is Pat got on the documentary My Bigfoot Life, he

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started talking about that. Of course, he gets into the

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fact that this is after by the way, he admits

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that if bigfoot does exist, or ever did exist, it

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would exist in Canada and the Pacific northwest of the

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United States.

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Speaker 2: But yet he immediately.

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Speaker 4: Says the documentary that we filmed in Washington State, in

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a known bigfoot area where encounters have happened, where nests

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have been found. We can't go there filming a documentary

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and have any kind of encounter.

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Speaker 2: That's bullshit.

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Speaker 4: Even though he admitted if they exist at all, they

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would exist in the very place where I had my

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three encounters last summer. So that's a problem for me.

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He can say what he wants. He called it a

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Bigfoot elk. He's been on this kick about the thermal

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footage that we captured that night being an elk, by

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the way, thermal footage that Pat has never seen. Yeah,

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he's never seen one second of this documentary. He's never

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talked to anybody, including me who was a part of

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said documentary, who had.

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Speaker 2: Any of these encounters, never talked to us.

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Speaker 4: He's just made up his mind whole cloth that everything's

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bullshit because he doesn't believe Bigfoot exists. Therefore, his narrative,

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which I think is wrong and broken, is that anything

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that comes after that is bullshit because Bigfoot doesn't exist.

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That's where he's working from. That's his premise, and that's

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why it is flawed in the very beginning, because that's.

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Speaker 2: The way he's approaching the subject.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he has gone basically, and I definitely want

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you to stay where you're going with this, Brian, because

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it's important. So he's taking a step further when he

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says that there can't be anything in the LBL, all

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the states that you just read off the wooded area

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of each state. He didn't mention Georgia. He lives in Georgia.

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You know how many reports come out of North Georgia

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the mountains.

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Speaker 2: But I'm assuming if they.

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Speaker 3: Can't be in Tennessee or Kentucky or North Carolina, they

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had to have went through those states to get to Georgia.

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I'm assuming or that that's smart and they just took

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a scenic route and went through Alabama. I don't know,

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but he not only is calling everyone that has seen

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one in the LBL a liar, he is now calling

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everyone in the South. So we go from hundreds of

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people to potentially tens of thousands that have seen something

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in these states that Pat is now calling a liar,

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and that just don't sit well with me. I just

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wanted to throw that out there before you went on,

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because what you're about to talk about is probably the

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most important thing on the show.

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Speaker 4: Well, before I get to that important thing I want

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to talk about. He also mentioned researchers in general. He

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says that there are no bigfoot researchers at all. Literally,

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not one person in the world is a Bigfoot researcher.

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And if we could prove that they were a real

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Bigfoot researcher, they deserve their name on a Nobel Prize.

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Speaker 2: He says. Just go look up researcher, just google it.

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I did.

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Speaker 4: Here is the definition of research the systematic investigation into

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and study of materials and sources in order to establish

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facts and reach new conclusions. Huh, that ain't what we do,

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so I guess, and I've said this before, I don't

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think that most people that are into the Bigfoot phenomena

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are true researchers, and I stick by that. I think

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they're investigators. I think they're investigating the subject. But research

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is a step beyond, in my opinion. From investigation to

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researcher is another step.

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Speaker 3: I just want to touch on this. Researcher is a

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title that we choose to give ourselves. Nobody goes to

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Bigfoot school and earns that we choose to call ourselves

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a researcher. Just throw that out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Research is defined as the creation of new knowledge and

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or the use of existing knowledge in a new and

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creative way, so as to generate new concepts, methodologies, and understandings.

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So let me give you an example of that. I'll

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give you two examples. One would be Tom Shay in Kentucky.

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Tom Shay has been researching bigfoot for decades. Tom goes

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out and he puts out different things. He uses different

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techniques to capture footprints, to capture fingerprints. He's gotten literal

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handprints from these things sticking their hands inside of jars

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of peanut butter that Tom has put out in his

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research areas. That is the definition of using new methodologies

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and using new techniques to further the research. That's exactly

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what he's doing. Same thing with Jeff Harding from Pine

475
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:57,279
Island Research. Jeff has tried to collect fingerprints, the sebum

476
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,119
from these creatures fingers by going out into his research

477
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,759
area hours in a canoe or a kayak to hike

478
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,000
into his area where nobody else is, to put bouncy

479
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,440
balls out there that these things have picked up and moved.

480
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,920
I would consider that a research technique. I'm not doing

481
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,079
that on my property. You're not doing that. There's very

482
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:22,279
few people that are doing that. So not everybody in

483
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:23,480
this subject is a researcher.

484
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:24,759
Speaker 2: But by god, there's.

485
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: Two people I just named Pat, you need to get

486
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,920
on the horn to the Nobel Peace Prize people, and

487
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,559
you need to have their name put on a Nobel

488
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:34,599
Prize because they are researching and have been researching Bigfoot

489
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:36,160
for a lot of years. I'm not even going to

490
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,920
get into some of the things Doug Hi checking other

491
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,960
people have done with camera traps and other things that

492
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:45,079
furthered their research into audio. The whole nine yards, it's

493
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,319
just ludicrous to say that, right, Yeah, And of course

494
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:54,079
he had to start harping on the Paul Freeman footage.

495
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,960
Somebody brought it up, I think in his chat one

496
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,000
of the six people that were watching had something to

497
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,759
say about Paul Freeman, and so he read the comment

498
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,559
and starts talking about how Paul Freeman is a known hoaxer.

499
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,519
It's proven, it's a fact that he's a hoaxer. Still

500
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,160
not seeing the proof. Still haven't seen anything that proves

501
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,519
that to me beyond any shadow of a doubt. So

502
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,400
that statement, by itself, it's false. He names my show

503
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,240
he talks about Sasquatch Odyssy. Somebody got it confused with

504
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:26,839
Bigfoot Odyssey, and Pat says, no, I'm not talking about

505
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:29,440
Bigfoot Otssey, I'm talking about Brian at sasquatch Odyssy.

506
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk ill of the dead.

507
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 4: Because carry Arnold passed away a few years ago in

508
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,400
a car accident. But yet every time he gets an opportunity.

509
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,720
The last time I checked, Paul Freeman's been dead for

510
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,599
twenty five fucking years. But it's okay to talk shit

511
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,000
about Paul Freeman, who can't defend himself, calling him a

512
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:51,559
known hoaxer. I have a problem with that. And of course,

513
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,680
beyond that, Pat can't let it go.

514
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:55,079
Speaker 2: The more he drinks, the more.

515
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: He talks, And of course he had to talk more

516
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:01,240
about the documentary that I was involved in in and

517
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:05,559
talking about the fact that he caught us, all of

518
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,359
us involved in this film, in a lie because we

519
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,200
said that this film was being featured at Can's Film Festival,

520
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,279
one of the biggest film festivals in the world. Let

521
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:20,400
me cleue in on something. None of us had anything

522
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,680
to do with that. No, the people who filmed this,

523
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,319
the people who produced this eminem productions, great fantastic people.

524
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,200
Monica is one of my favorite people on Earth, A

525
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,240
lover to death. They put out a statement saying that

526
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,599
this film was being featured at Can's Film Festival.

527
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,279
Speaker 2: It was featured at the.

528
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 4: CANS Film Festival market where you can go.

529
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: I can go.

530
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 4: Any producer can go and take a film, a documentary

531
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,640
film or whatever kind of film that we made and

532
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,400
pay to have it shown at CANS for investors to

533
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,680
look at and possibly get into the film.

534
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: So that's the honest truth. That's what happened.

535
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 4: I don't know why they put out the fact that

536
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,039
it was featured there. I'll just be frank with you.

537
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,240
Monica's first language is not English. She lives in the

538
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,000
United Kingdom, but she's from a different country. Her first

539
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,839
language is not English. Does she mispronounce words? Does she

540
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,200
screw up sentences sometimes in the English language?

541
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:19,599
Speaker 2: Yes?

542
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:22,519
Speaker 4: Was that a simple oversight? Did she make a mistake?

543
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,200
It was not done to be deceitful.

544
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: It was not a lie.

545
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: But that's what Pat's calling it. He's calling it a lie.

546
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,559
He's basically calling this lady and her production company a lie.

547
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,759
Speaker 3: No problem calling anybody a liar. And that's my problem

548
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:38,160
with him.

549
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: And here's the thing in the Coalition group that he

550
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,400
did a post about that, and it was all about

551
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,720
the fact that we were being deceitful. We were stealing valor.

552
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,480
It literally was called stolen valor by somebody in the comments,

553
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,000
that we were stealing the valor of being featured at

554
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,759
Cannes Film Festival, because that's some big honor that should

555
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:03,559
be reserve for people who actually get it. Okay, fair enough,

556
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,440
if that's the way you want to look at it, fine,

557
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,599
But I can tell you I nor anybody else who

558
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,400
appeared in this film or had anything to do with

559
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,519
this film behind the scenes, had any intentions of ever

560
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,839
stealing anybody's valor of being featured at Can's Film Festival.

561
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,119
They were just simply excited about taking this film that

562
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,319
they love and showing it to the people at the

563
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,359
Cans Film Festival market.

564
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:27,599
Speaker 2: That's all it was.

565
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 4: I can't speak to what eminem Productions did with their announcement.

566
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,559
I can't say whether or not it was just a

567
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:39,200
simple misunderstanding and misuse of words. It happens to everybody.

568
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640
We've all said stupid shit on live shows or on

569
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,759
these shows that made it out to the world that

570
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,519
we didn't mean. We crossover words, we call things that

571
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:48,160
they aren't.

572
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:49,519
Speaker 2: It happened.

573
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,559
Speaker 4: But to call somebody a liar and to say that

574
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:56,759
they're being deceitful without any kind of receipt, I think

575
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,960
is very irresponsible and I have a real hard time.

576
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast. We will

577
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,680
be right back after these messages.

578
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,279
Speaker 4: I think that's a personal attack on people because I

579
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:15,160
don't personally like being called a liar. Here's the real

580
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,240
issue that it comes down to for me. If that

581
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:21,279
wasn't problematic enough, everything that Pat has said is problematic

582
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,519
in and of itself. Here's the real issue that I have,

583
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,039
and I'm going to issue a personal challenge to Pat.

584
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,720
I want you to really sit down and reflect if

585
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:30,720
you can remember what you said on the show, because

586
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,039
you appear to be drinking a little bit in the show,

587
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:34,960
and you'd slur in your words towards the end there.

588
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,000
So if you remember, if you don't, just rewind and

589
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:39,960
go back and listen to the part where you said

590
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,640
he calls Daniel Barnett. Daniel Lee Barnett, the kid who's

591
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,240
in this documentary. It's about him. It's about his life,

592
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,000
My Bigfoot Life featuring Daniel Lee Barnett. The kid is autistic,

593
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:57,279
and yet Pat has the audacity to get on his

594
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:05,160
live show and say Daniel exhibits no symptoms, He exhibits

595
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,640
nothing that would point to the fact that he's actually autistic.

596
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:16,279
Doctor Pat, how fucking dare you have the audacity to

597
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,000
talk about someone's condition when you have never had a

598
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:23,079
conversation with this kid, You've never spent a minute with him,

599
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,200
you've never met him. But to say that this kid

600
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,200
doesn't have something like autism is irresponsible and frankly, it

601
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,640
is slap ass bullshit. That is a lie, It is

602
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,799
a deception. And you have no idea what you're talking about.

603
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,440
So if you don't know what you're talking about, just

604
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,039
like the documentary that you've never seen, you've never seen

605
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,160
any of the footage that you reference all the time.

606
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:46,519
Speaker 2: Guess what.

607
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 4: I have the thermal footage that you're talking about on

608
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,319
my computer right now. I've watched it multiple times. You

609
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,480
nor anybody else can watch this thermal footage and tell

610
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:58,680
me what it is in the footage. It is a

611
00:31:58,839 --> 00:31:59,920
large heat signature.

612
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: That's it.

613
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,559
Speaker 4: I don't know where the fuck you got that. It's

614
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,000
an elk. I don't know if he's clairvoyant. I don't

615
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,559
know if he can somehow teleport his way into people's

616
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,039
computers and see this footage that he likes to refer

617
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,039
to that he hasn't seen. But it's just like the

618
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,039
autism thing. It's like coming out and saying somebody doesn't

619
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:23,240
have heart disease or somebody doesn't have diabetes. How the

620
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,160
fuck do you know? You don't, Pat, So shut the

621
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,960
fuck up. If you want to talk about Bigfoot, fine.

622
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,119
If you want to push your narrative, fine, If you

623
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,960
want to tear down the Bigfoot narrative, fine, but leave

624
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,000
the kid alone. He doesn't need to hear stuff like

625
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:43,720
that falling out of your fucking mouth. If you don't

626
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,920
know what you're talking about, just shut the fuck up.

627
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:48,880
You don't have the balls to have a conversation with me.

628
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,720
I've reached out multiple times publicly and privately, and you

629
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,960
still don't want to talk about anything other than on

630
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,480
your stupid ass show. Then nobody fucking listens to. You

631
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,720
want to shoot shots at me and then say things like, oh,

632
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,559
and Brian's going to get behind his big microphone and

633
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,319
he sends trolls after me. Dude, I've never sent a

634
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:12,000
fucking troll after anybody. Here's the thing, you Pat are

635
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:15,319
the fucking troll. You don't have anything to do with

636
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,519
any of this stuff that you're talking about. He even

637
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,799
said it multiple times on his show. I don't even

638
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,200
know why I'm doing this. I don't even fucking care.

639
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,920
I shouldn't even be talking about this. Pat, for once,

640
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960
you should take your own advice and just stop fucking

641
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,319
talking about shit that you have no idea about.

642
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's.

643
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: Not a good look for a grown ass drunk man

644
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,240
to go on YouTube and talk shit about a sixteen

645
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:40,759
year old autistic kid that you've never met and don't

646
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:43,319
know anything about. If you don't want to have a

647
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:47,200
conversation with me publicly on your show or mine, you

648
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,039
don't want to have it privately because you've had my

649
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,640
phone number, you don't call me. You just want to

650
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,599
tell me what I didn't see and what I don't

651
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,880
know and what the narrative says. But you want to

652
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200
do it on your show when it's just you and

653
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,839
your drink. That's not how I operate, Dude, Shut the

654
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,240
fuck up about the kid. Stick to what you do know.

655
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,039
If you want to say there's no big foot in

656
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,800
the LBL, fine, But if you want to say Daniel

657
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,559
is an autistic, fuck you, I don't know.

658
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: Pat all that personally used to like the guy. I'm

659
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,599
not saying that I don't like him now. I don't

660
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,280
like the way he acts, I don't like the way

661
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,119
he presents himself and talks about things. I'll just say

662
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,559
that I don't know him personally. We've talked about going

663
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,159
camping together a few times. Because he and I don't

664
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,679
live too far apart. I don't know if Pat has

665
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,119
any kids. It is the point I'm trying to make.

666
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,840
I don't know him well enough to know that that.

667
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,159
I tell you, man, you start talking about my kid

668
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,719
that has a disability and saying shit like that, we're

669
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,960
gonna have a problem. Buddy. Brian and I talked about

670
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,079
this a little bit before we came on, just because

671
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,719
Daniel and his dad live in the UK, They're over

672
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,880
here a lot. Just watch what you say about somebody's kid.

673
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,280
We're talking about a minor, a kid that can't take

674
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,599
up for himself physically, but his dady can't. And you

675
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:04,639
talk about somebody's kids as a man, you don't talk

676
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:06,480
about they're a woman, and you don't.

677
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,559
Speaker 2: Talk about the kids. Yeah, I just think it's sad.

678
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 4: Again, I don't begrudge anybody their opinion about anything related

679
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,800
to bigfoot or anything in this world. It's a free country.

680
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,519
You have the right to your opinion. You have the

681
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:21,000
right to express it, just like we do on this show.

682
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,760
I think the problem is when it gets personal, and

683
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,159
we got personal with Pat a year ago when we

684
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,519
talked about it on the show, I admitted that I

685
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,639
took it too far personally. That's why I'm not doing

686
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:34,079
that now. I'm sticking to the facts. And the fact

687
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,639
is you have no idea what you're talking about when

688
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,199
it comes to this documentary and when it comes to

689
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,880
Daniel as a kid period, you don't know anything. You

690
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,679
only know what you think you know, and you're putting

691
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,719
it out there as fact and it's bullshit. He even

692
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,800
joked at one point saying there's virtually zero possibility that

693
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,360
there's a bigfoot out there, and he has to say

694
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,719
virtually even though it's really zero. He has to say

695
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,559
virtually to cover his ass because people get onto him

696
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:06,840
for always saying there's no way, absolutely no way, dude.

697
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,719
Nobody really gives a fuck about your disclaimers because everything

698
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,199
that comes out of your mouth is bullshit because you

699
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,840
don't know what you're talking about. Again, you're entitled to

700
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,480
your opinion. You're just not entitled to your opinion about

701
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:20,159
shit you don't know anything about. When it comes to

702
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:26,000
the documentary and this kid's medical condition, he has autism,

703
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:28,679
plain and simple. He should not have to defend the

704
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,800
fact that he's autistic from people like you who want

705
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,440
to make stupid ass comments and say that he's not.

706
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,719
Before we get out of here, let's switch gears a

707
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,519
little bit and talk about something that's been on our

708
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:42,840
radar for quite a while, which is mister Todd Gatewood

709
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:50,199
and his Patterson Gimlin film restoration project. I sent you

710
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,199
something a couple of days ago that popped up on

711
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,400
my Facebook feed where Todd overnight, I think it was

712
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,000
like middle of the night, early in the morning, made

713
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:03,480
this weird host on his Facebook about the fact that

714
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,480
he had sold his copy of the Patterson Gimlin film

715
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,280
and basically, the Bigfoot community gets what they deserve.

716
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: Kind of cryptic. Interesting.

717
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,159
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to make of it, but it

718
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,519
sounded to me you and I were reading between the lines,

719
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,800
going back and forth via text saying what does this

720
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,079
mean if he sold his copy, is he not going

721
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,880
to be able to now do the restoration that he's promised.

722
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,760
What about the documentary that he's been talking about for

723
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,920
the last year on his YouTube channel and all these

724
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,119
podcast interviews, and he's now doing speaking events. I see

725
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,199
him popping up as a speaker at Bigfoot conferences, so

726
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,960
he's clearly talking about this. So what does that mean

727
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,360
if he sold the film, does he still have what

728
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,480
he needs to work with it is the person who

729
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:48,679
bought it, which is very cryptic, are they going to

730
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,760
allow him to do this? Funny enough, after that happened,

731
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,039
we waited two or three days, and lo and behold,

732
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,800
he makes another post on Facebook. I think it was

733
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,559
yesterday or the day before. While I it's back on folks.

734
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,199
He's been in negotiations with the new owner of his

735
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719
copy of the film and they are now going to

736
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,079
allow him to continue his restoration project. So it's still coming.

737
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,559
I really don't even know what to think at this point.

738
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:18,360
In the post that he did on Facebook, he actually

739
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,039
shouted out to me and Brett Eichenberger about watching Brent's

740
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,000
documentary films. Who did the Flash of Beauty film, and

741
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,360
he's done other documentaries on Bigfoot, and of course my

742
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,880
podcast content because we're great content creators. He's even went

743
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,119
back and liked some of my personal stuff on Facebook.

744
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,239
Over the last couple of days. It's been this weird

745
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,000
dichotomy because some of the last interactions we had were

746
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:44,079
not pleasant at all. I've read you some of those privately,

747
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:45,480
and I think I even talked a little bit about

748
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,480
it on the show. Flip the script on me. So

749
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,320
I don't know that I have anything personally against this dude.

750
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,760
I want to keep it to the point of I'm

751
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,679
just confused at this point. I'm so confused like I've

752
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,840
always been about if you don't own this film to

753
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,199
start with, because if you have a copy of it, sure,

754
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:08,440
I have a copy of about three hundred books, but

755
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:09,960
I don't own what's in the books.

756
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: I just own the book.

757
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 4: I can't take those books off the shelf and read

758
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,760
them on my show for content because I don't own

759
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,480
what's in the books.

760
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 3: And change the wording ground. You can't do that.

761
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,159
Speaker 4: It's the same thing with a copy of the Patterson

762
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:28,159
Gimblin film if you don't own the rights. Because I

763
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,920
believe somebody who's in the know actually sent me a

764
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,840
couple of messages about that when I shared his post

765
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,679
on Facebook that they had not seen, said, I think

766
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,639
Dehendon ended up and I'm probably screwing this up, so

767
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,400
forgive me if I do. But basically, in a nutshell,

768
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,920
Patricia Patterson got the rights to the video part of

769
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,559
the film, and I think Renee de Hendon, thus, after

770
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:54,800
his passing, Renee de Hendon's estate had the rights to

771
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,760
the still photographs or any still photographs that were taken

772
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,639
from any of the frames of the film. So even

773
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:06,320
that is separated, Like, Patricia Patterson by law couldn't take

774
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,039
steals from the Patterson Gimblin film and sell them to

775
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,639
anybody because she doesn't own the rights to them, even

776
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,760
though her husband filmed the fucking thing just the way

777
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,880
that it was done legally, and vice versa. De Hendon's

778
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,480
family after his passing, his sons or whomever now owns

779
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,599
that part of the film can't take the video and

780
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:29,119
sell it to somebody in a licensing deal. So again

781
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:32,039
it goes back to my confusion. How does Todd Gatewood

782
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,320
have a dog in any of those fights? How can

783
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,320
he do anything with the film that he doesn't own

784
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,559
the rights to do, Because if Patricia Patterson and her

785
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,639
estate owns the video rights, and de Hendon and his

786
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,639
estate owns the still version of the film's rights. I

787
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,320
don't hear Todd Gatewood in either of those scenarios. So

788
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,519
I've been confused from day one about how he can

789
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,119
do anything with the film outside of three fifty two,

790
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,239
which is we've talked about before. It's basically copy right

791
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,599
free because it's common use, because it's been seen by

792
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:06,679
millions of people for fucking fifty years. So I don't

793
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,679
understand even if this person that bought the copy of

794
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,639
the film, you have a copy of the film now,

795
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,079
but what can you do with it if you don't

796
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:16,639
own the rights to show it? I don't understand any

797
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,719
of it. It's really confusing to me. It seems like

798
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,119
some wishy washy, almost some grifting shit. I don't know

799
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,400
what he's doing here. I don't know what the play

800
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,880
here is, and I don't know how even if he

801
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,760
sold this film to whomever, if he sold the physical

802
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,199
canister with the film in it, sure, but what the

803
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:35,639
fuck are you gonna do with it? Are you as

804
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:37,320
confused as me? I can tell by your face that

805
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:37,679
you are.

806
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I can't answer any of those questions,

807
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,199
and I don't really know who can do. We need

808
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:48,960
to contact an attorney and ask them. It does not

809
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,039
make any sense to me. And I still want to

810
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:54,199
know where he got his copy if he Eden has

811
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,519
a dog in this hunt, because I can go on

812
00:41:56,559 --> 00:42:00,039
YouTube right now, in screen record the entire thing and

813
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:01,639
tell you I got a copy right here, everybody want

814
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,440
to buy it. I don't know how that works. I

815
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,639
have the feeling something big is gonna come around the corner.

816
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:08,880
Something's gonna happen.

817
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I have the interview scheduled with the person

818
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,960
who claims that Todd got his copy of the film

819
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,880
that he claims to have now sold to someone else.

820
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,159
We've got that scheduled. I think mid June is why

821
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,039
I'm doing that interview, so hopefully we'll get at least

822
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:26,840
that part of the story, and I leave it open

823
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,960
to Todd. I would gladly have Todd on the show,

824
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,920
either over here or Sasquatch Odyssey or both. I don't

825
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,239
care to have that conversation because I am confused. I

826
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,039
would love for him to sit down, uninterrupted, no script,

827
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,679
no agenda, and just explain himself. That's all I really want.

828
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,480
I just want to understand. Again, the guy may be

829
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,440
on the up and up.

830
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

831
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,559
Speaker 4: It just seems a little fishy to me that there

832
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,719
seems to be this back room deal, and from my understanding,

833
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,719
the way that he got his copy of the film

834
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,000
may not be entirely.

835
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,039
Speaker 2: The best way to go about it.

836
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,559
Speaker 4: Let's say yeah, yeah, and again, it's one side of

837
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:07,119
the story. I'm sure he has a different take on it,

838
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:09,639
so I'd love to hear that take. We're gonna get

839
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:11,800
that from the person who alleges that he got that

840
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,199
copy from, so at least we'll have that part of

841
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,480
the story. He may never come on and share his part,

842
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,159
but I challenge him to do that because I think

843
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:20,519
it would clear a lot of things up for a

844
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:24,079
lot of people. I would like to see what he's

845
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:26,199
doing with the film. If he truly is going to

846
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,280
restore it to the point where it's better than what

847
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,159
we've seen in the past, I am always down for that.

848
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: I just don't want it to be ai.

849
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,199
Speaker 4: I don't want things to be put into the film

850
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,800
that aren't originally there.

851
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:40,119
Speaker 2: And if he did it on the up and up.

852
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:42,039
Speaker 4: If he got his copy the right way, if he

853
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,320
has the ability and the right to do what he's doing,

854
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,039
and he's able to improve the evidence that we've lived

855
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:50,199
with since nineteen sixty seven. Look them all about it,

856
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,320
But there's something in my gut, there's something that sticks

857
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,039
deep in my craw that just says that may not

858
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,800
be entirely accurate. So I want to have that conversation,

859
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,840
pferably with Todd. Always leave that an open invitation to

860
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,280
anybody that we talk about on the show. I've done

861
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,400
it several times with Pat privately and publicly, given him

862
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,840
the opportunity to have a public conversation about some of

863
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,599
the things that he said about me, the film, Daniel,

864
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:16,679
all these things. Same thing with Todd. If Todd wants

865
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:19,079
to have a conversation, we'll be civil. We can have

866
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,679
a conversation, he can explain himself and maybe we can

867
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,199
move forward and maybe he is doing something that we've

868
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:27,840
never seen before with the film that will help us

869
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,719
maybe take this a step further. But I tell you,

870
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,840
there's just too many questions, these cryptid, weird I'm sorry

871
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,000
posts and saying things like the Bigfoot community got what

872
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:42,920
they deserved, but then just a few days later it's

873
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,719
back on it.

874
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: Just seems so weird to me.

875
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, didn't he delete that first one

876
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:49,679
like a few hours after?

877
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 4: No, somebody else said the same thing to me. But

878
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,639
I've pulled it up since then and it looks like

879
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,320
it's still there. I'm doing it in real time now.

880
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:57,519
Speaker 2: Just to see.

881
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 4: But somebody else said they were having a hard time

882
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,360
finding it.

883
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: No, it's right there.

884
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 4: It was from five days ago, the original post, and

885
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,039
the other one was one day ago, and he just

886
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,360
posted thirty three minutes ago about something else.

887
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,559
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We

888
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,880
will be right back after these messages.

889
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 3: You know, I was gonna say, if he did take

890
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,199
it down, we have all maybe had a little bit

891
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:29,679
too much to drink one night and just got on

892
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,119
social media and popped off, said some shit, we regretted,

893
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,719
and then when we sobered it up the next morning,

894
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,760
oh shit, take it down. So I didn't know if

895
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,000
it was a situation like that, But it's still up.

896
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,800
And I don't know why it's so important for him

897
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,920
to talk about it being an LLC or a corporation

898
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:49,280
owned by this, which is better than owned by this.

899
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,440
His family's attorney practice the oldest in the country. I

900
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,599
don't understand what any of that has to do with it.

901
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:58,239
That's what makes me wonder.

902
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 4: I'll read it because the first one from five days

903
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,639
ago is pretty short, so I'm just gonna read it verbatim.

904
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,480
There's a picture, it's just a black background in the

905
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,000
words I'm sorry, period, and the post is quote. A

906
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:14,440
corporation has purchased the Patterson Gimlin film that I own

907
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:18,960
the nineteen sixty seven film just transferred the ownership to

908
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:23,039
a C corporation and just sold it to a limited

909
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:26,599
liability corp in LLC, which sold it to a trust.

910
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,679
These details are hard to track, being in Oklahoma and

911
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,079
Indian Territory. The trust is privately owned. The trust is

912
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,480
registered in Nebraska. I cannot tell you when you will

913
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,599
see it, or who owns it, or where it will

914
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:47,880
be seen. Sorry Dot Bigfooters, Comma, you get what you deserve.

915
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:52,519
End quote. I think that speaks for itself. That's pretty cryptic.

916
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:56,239
There's a lot of what appears to be useless cryptic

917
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,000
information about it being sold to a SA corp that

918
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:00,840
sold it to an ll SC that sold it to

919
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,880
a trust. None of that shit makes sense to me,

920
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,039
and it seems to be completely irrelevant to anything that

921
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:10,400
would have to do with the film or his restoration project.

922
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:13,239
And then, of course he did a follow up from

923
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,800
just a day ago that's a little bit longer. I'm

924
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,199
not going to read that verbatim. If you want to

925
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,039
check it out, go check out Todd Gatewood's Facebook and

926
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,599
you can see it there. But yeah, it just seems

927
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,320
really weird to me. I would just like him to

928
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,039
explain man without double talk, without going out into left field,

929
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,480
without any shiny objects. Hey, look over here. You know

930
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:35,199
we're not on fucking RuPaul's drag race. Here, let's talk

931
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,000
about what the facts are. Where did you get your

932
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,280
copy of the film? How did you get the rights

933
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,719
to restore it and show any part of it in

934
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,199
a documentary? And then how did you have the right

935
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,039
to then turn around and sell those rights if you

936
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:49,599
did to somebody else.

937
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: They're pretty fucking straightforward questions that could easily get straightforward answers.

938
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,760
But as we've talked about in the past, and you

939
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,960
have put it many times, he has that ability to, hey,

940
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,559
look over here, to answer a question without even coming

941
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:06,679
close to answering the.

942
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 4: Question, Todd, where did you get your copy of the

943
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,800
Patterson Gimblin film. When I was sixteen, my first car

944
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,480
was a Buick Skylark, and I went to Johnson City

945
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,440
High School and I watched the Patterson Gimlin film once.

946
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:21,840
But I took Becky to the prompt. It's the same

947
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fucking thing over and over. The answer to the question

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never happens, and by the time he's done, you're thinking

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about twelve other things. It's classic used car salesman look

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over here tactics. And I just like him to be straightforward.

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So Todd, if you're listening, and I may reach out

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to him privately and just see if he's willing to

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come on and talk about it. I think he listens

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to podcast. I've heard him reference things in the past

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when we've talked about him before. Maybe that'll happen. You

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got stay tuned and see. But for now, I think

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that's about all the horses we can beat to death. Wayne,

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you get the last word on the show, my friends.

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Speaker 3: All right, everybody out there, thank you guys so very

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much for all of the continue and you'd support, please

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continue to rate and review the show. Those have slowed

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down a little bit. We would appreciate it. If you

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guys could do that, it helps us out more than

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anything else that you can do. Guys again, thank you

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for everything that you do sending those emails voicemails. We

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love hearing from you. Until we see y'all again, I'll

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take care of yourselves, take care of each other.

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Speaker 4: You build