Speaker 1: It's the Internet. You're busy, let's do this. Welcome to
the Game Mesticides podcast. This is the podcast where we
decided everything about the world of games, so you never
have to think for yourself. I'm your too hot for
YouTube host Jeff Grobbin.
Speaker 2: With me is Mike.
Speaker 1: Today's episode Metal Gear has a release date cast. I
mean you could get in an announcement date, and Sony
is going to publish Katakawa Games also GTA six.
Speaker 3: I'm not delayed yet. Do a time though, keep my
time like.
Speaker 2: A you're hoping, so mister I counter picked it in
the Fantasy Critic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also truly believe.
Speaker 1: So, so talk about it. We'll talk about it absolutely.
How are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm good. We recorded our Game Ass Game Club discussion
on Indiana Jones and the Fantastic Circle as you say
before this, and my power went out named the mill
it uh, but we got back on It was probably
karma because we were talking about the Giza section and
I kept saying Gaza Gaza instead. Embarrassing, but you know,
we got through it. We made it happen. It's good,
so they get everyone who participated in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the God of Electricity comes first all in the
end for sure, right, Raydon Raid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we also don't know that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look it streussed me. It's not a problematic thing.
Any two words that sounds similar. I'm just gonna get
them mixed.
Speaker 3: Up, same constantly and forever. Mike. Yeah, So it's uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of like getting my feet underneath
me with like this week and then. But it's been
kind of non stop today specifically where it was like
I did I did the day job, and then I
tried got Colombo in real quick, and then back to
a meeting and then another thing after that, and then
the kid's doctor appointment went for forever tonight, and then
I had to take out the trash. Now we're doing
this and we're doing Columbos after this, so it's gonna
be a long day.
Speaker 3: And yet I'm feeling pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like accidentally took a nap when I told myself
I wasn't going to, so like I woke up like
five minutes before the Game Club in a panic. But
I'm glad I did because I like feel okay right
now and because you know, gosh, from Game Club through Columbros,
it's like five straight hours of podcasting, so it cand
you know, I love the podcast could be a lot
even for me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes exactly you earned your nap, I think. So I'm
glad you took that for sure. Yeah, I still want
to stop.
Speaker 2: Maybe I do this cycle every time where I'm like,
I should just start drinking coffee, and I tried doing it,
and I'm always like, I don't like the way this
makes me feel. And then I stopped doing that, so
I kind.
Speaker 1: Of you know, just caffeine, there's got to be some
I mean, either you like caffeine and other products.
Speaker 2: That's all right, That's what I don't get. I don't
understand why coffee specifically it makes me so freaking jittery
and kind of ad It probably.
Speaker 1: Just straight up is more caffeine than it's probably like
twice the amount of caffeine than what you're used.
Speaker 3: To, and that could be enough to do it, you
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listed there. All right, Mike, let's just get right into it.
What do you say?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's start with with GTA six. GT
six came up in the earnings report. I was like
talking to someone earlier today, like, Hey, what do do
you think it's going to get delayed like today? And
I was like, I personally was like, no, it wouldn't
happen to this earnings report because this is Q three
earnings report. So the next one will be Q four
where they can report what happened last year and then
they can give an outlook for the next financial year.
And I'm like, at that point they will have to
kind of say if they expect a lot of money
to come in in that financial year, they will have
to say something. So if they want, if they want
to decide to delay it, at that point, it'll make
a lot more sense. So I think that they have
still have some time and I think they still believe
this thing could come out. But even if it's like
gets delayed, you know, to early next year. That's still
within the financial years, So we'll see. We'll see if
they're going to be delaying it at all. But I'm
not surprised they didn't do it today.
Speaker 3: How about you.
Speaker 2: No, well, no, I'm not surprised. I mean, they did
reiterate that they're expecting it to come out this fall specifically.
I think I don't know. I'm still on a team.
I don't think the game is delayed, I mean, refreshment.
Is there a reason we think the game's getting delayed
aside from just the fact that it's a really big
game and Rockstar has delayed games before they specifically about
this game that makes it seem so delayed prone?
Speaker 1: No, I mean just other than you know, all those
other factors that you just seem to be discounting as
if they'll don't really.
Speaker 2: I don't feel particularly moved by them.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, always gets delayed at least once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point, You're right.
Speaker 1: Other than that, yeah, but always like every seven years
when it happens, and now it's been seven years, le's
see what.
Speaker 2: Happens this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not just Grand Theft Auto, like other similar
games of this size and scale, I just think there's
too much riding on it. They want to get it right,
and this thing has not had an official public delay yet,
so I think it gets one.
Speaker 2: But they waited a long time to announce this one, right,
It was a long time there. I think that they
were maybe more sure about the time when this. Now,
you're right, big video games, you throw a lot of
that out the window, and whenever a game gets delayed
does seem like a big deal. Plenty of games also
don't get delayed and do come out generally when they
are supposed to to. I don't know what. It'll be interesting.
We don't have to make up. We don't have to
make another big bet out of it, Jeff.
Speaker 1: But we already got something on the riding on the line, right,
the fantasy critic that's counterpicked it, So we already have something.
Speaker 2: And it'll be really funny. Oh god, it'd be so
great if you and Dan both lose just because of
bad counterpicks.
Speaker 3: Now, mine was.
Speaker 1: Mine's a decent counterpick, even better than dance like Dan, Well, no,
I mean mine was, like, I think, one of the
best options I had available to me in that moment.
Speaker 3: And it's only gonna be bad if things.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, picking it early when it doesn't
come out is also going to be equally bad if
it gets delayed.
Speaker 3: So it's like we just got to wait and see.
Speaker 1: But if it does come out, You're right, I definitely lose,
Like there's just no chance that I can win if
that then comes out. It's my counterpick. I can't like
drop it or anything like that. So yeah, it's it's
a rough situation. If it does come out, and you're right,
the thing is almost certainly like the one of the
reasons they waited to announce it for so long is
because they want to avoid a delay.
Speaker 3: But you know, we did think it was gonna come
out last.
Speaker 1: Fiscal year, the current fiscal year that is ending now,
because they originally did plan it for that internally, and
they never like said that publicly, but they said that
in their earnings Outlook previous so there has already been
like one stealth delay. So yeah, maybe this is really
when it comes out for sure. I just think the
way these things tend to work, Oh, you give a
developer a certain amount of time, they fill up all
that time, and then they need more time.
Speaker 3: That's just usually how it goes.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, and I just don't think it's also
it would be shocking if it's like, oh man, we
were going to release it in November and now we're
just gonna move it to February. We've seen that so
many times now that yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe it could also just be a short delay. It
could be there thinking September and now it's October November
or something like that. Even ye, right, so you.
Speaker 1: Said fall, So they got plenty of room to work
with already in that in that window.
Speaker 3: So we'll see.
Speaker 2: You are right that we'll have a better idea that
next quarter, right, yep, right, because yeah, then we'll see
how much money they expect to be making. Here. You know,
Dean from you know who I work with over at
games Bat. He always gets to talk to Strass sort
of as part of these earnings. It gets kind of
pre briefed on his trust, thank you. You know, he
asked he you know, you think he asked him about specifically.
You know, he says, look, you never say basically said
you never say never, like anything can happened. But no,
we're still expecting this game to come out when we
said we expected to. So uh, yeah, you can't read
too much into it. We don't know.
Speaker 3: Yep. I think they.
Speaker 1: I think right now they probably believe that game is
coming out this year, and I think that's completely fair
in this moment, and so it's something we'd have to
probably go wrong. It's just it's game development, so it's
easy to bet on something.
Speaker 3: Going wrong, all right.
Speaker 1: Metal Gear Solid Delta Snaky to release eight leaks via PSN.
It's been confirmed now they put out a video. It's
coming out August twenty eighth. Hey, okay, not super far away,
but not super close to either. People played this game
last year. Dan played this game last year. A lot
of people seem very impressed by it. You know, they're
promising a whole new way of playing it, like where
it's like you can control it essentially like Metal Gear
Solid five if you want, that's an option, and the
difficulty will scale. I'm pretty excited about this, Mike. I've
never full we really played this game. I tried it
a couple of times, most recently on three DS, enjoyed
what happened in it was like, man, I know that
that remake is coming, I should just wait for that.
Speaker 3: And now, yeah, really looking forward to it. How about you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love Melgar Solid three. It's probably my
favorite one in the series. I played through it a
couple of times now, so I'm just excited for an
excuse to go back to it. There's a part of
me it still feels like a little weird about the
one to oneness of it, especially with Silent Hill two
being such a good PS two game remake, and they
did take the opportunity to do some reimagining and changing
some things up, and I like that about it. I
think here, it's a tricky proposition because you would have
to do that without Dale Kajima, and that's just gonna
really stir the pot a lot if you do that.
So I get kind of playing it a bit more
safe here. So I have to really understand and it's fine,
and I will just be happy to have excuse to
uh to play the game again, and it'll be fun
to see people like you. I think, you know, Lucy
said she hasn't really playable, and even though it's Bouger
Solid three, this is chronologically the first game, so it's
a great place for a lot of people to jump in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I and you know, I've played Metal Gear Solid
one before and really love that. And I played Mental
Gear Solid five, so I got the book ends. I'll
just now be able to supplement with this one. Yeah, August,
we're not getting a ton of dates later this year
because of Grand Theft Auto six and that being an
unknown quantity. But I think Metal Gear Solid Delta will
be just fine. Whenever Grand Theft Auto comes out. This
game will be able to stand on its own.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, And you know, Sold Hill two did well,
and you have to imagine this is going to automatically
do better than that. At least it seems like it
can't really miss unless some something bizarre happens. Uh. You know,
I wonder if I don't. I don't know if I'm
gonna feel like this. I wonder some people are gonna
be like the kind of new shiny ear graphics kind
of lose some of the edge or some of the
appeal of the original. You know, some people say that
about Solid Hill two even and again I didn't really agree.
But I never had a problem with the way Middle
Gear Solid three looked before, right, But then again, I
am very old, So I think generally the refresh graphics
are going to be welcomed by most people.
Speaker 3: Yep, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, still at Konami, rumors are once again popping off
that a Castlevania game could get announced now now they're
saying could get announced this year and it would be
a big triple a Castlevania game. This is according to
Geeking Out Geeking Out, a Portuguese site. But we've heard
these rumors before, specifically from Andy over.
Speaker 3: At VGC was like saying that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: He was also pointing out that we were going to
get the Meddle Gear Solid three remake, and we were
going to get Silent Hill two stuff for Silent Hill
stuff across the board, and all that stuff came to fruition.
So when I started like hearing like little hints of
this stuff later, I'm like, well, this sounds like all
this stuff Andy heard, and he was right. So here
we are, Yeah, Castlevania.
Speaker 3: I am. I think I'm really ready for this.
Speaker 1: I personally am now getting my hopes up that it's
inspired by Fromsoft Games and the way that from Soft
games are inspired by Castlevania.
Speaker 3: Who knows, we'll see either way. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to I got you know, I love Castlevania.
I've been playing that Vampire Survivors DLC right and just
getting you know, I'm always in the mood for Castlevania.
I do wonder what this means. You know, I would
have been happy with a two D Metroidvania Castlevania. You
say triple A. I assume you don't mean that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my assumption as well.
Speaker 2: You mean a three D action game. And I know
Lord of Shadows has its fans and I'm not super
against it, but I don't necessarily want a take like that. Again,
I do think doing the Souls like approach makes a
ton of sense, because I would that would fit in
very nicely with a lot of Castlevania vibes asthetics. It's
a very boss fight focused series. Two anyways, it's very
weapon based series. Why wouldn't you take that approach? I mean,
if Final Fantasy did a Souls like I don't know
why Castlevania would it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like, I think you could even make
it like keep the metro vanyar roots even a little
bit harder. I mean front A lot of Dark Souls
games obviously have some like connected areas and making up
like discovering shortcuts, and some of the games inspired by
that go even harder with it.
Speaker 3: Jedi Fallen Order.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to have a three D Castlelvania
map that is the castle that you're exploring.
Speaker 3: That would be fantastic.
Speaker 1: And then you're going into these boss chambers with your
character build and they are just incredible boss fights that
feel like Souls Born games.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that is a really good fit.
Speaker 1: And the amount of time that it's kind of taking
for them to announce this thing, I think that there's
a chance that they really are going all out. The
question is just like who is who's making it, who's
developing it?
Speaker 2: Okay, here's an idea. I talked about Stranger Paradise. What
if Platinum Games is making Ninja Guide in four because
Team Ninja's making Castlevania.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess that's not impossible. They've done several
Souls Born games now, right, like two or three, like
three of.
Speaker 2: The Ronan whoa Loong Woa long Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so they've they've got some pedigree there and
that people do not hate any of those games, and
some people were huge fans of.
Speaker 3: Like Eo and Wuolong and things like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a possibility that that is the case,
and I would I would definitely welcome it, all right.
Nintendo reconfirms Pokemon Legends z A or Za. How are
you saying at Metro Prime four Beyond are coming in
twenty twenty five, and they're coming for the Switch one?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we didn't have much of reason
think that that wouldn't be the case other than they're
just taking a lot of time to give us more
information about these games, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what we're really curious about is, well, what
does a switch to experience look like for those games?
Is it just kind of bear both backward compatibility? Is
it enhanced you play it on switch to? Is there
just a separate switch to version of the game that
maybe you know, you have to buy again or get
an upgrade Path two at some point, you know when
it like, when are they coming out Metro Prime four
so to switch one game? Does that mean it's coming
out before the switch to is even a thing? Yeah,
there's a lot of questions there. There are still rumors
about a direct focused on Switch one games happening this month,
and I'm hoping it happens mostly just to get those answers.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I think That's where I'm at with you.
Speaker 1: Where Yeah, I expected that direct to happen here relatively
soon and we get answers about these games specifically. Well,
of course we'll get more information about Pokemon at Pokemon
Day coming up soon as well. But at the very least,
I think Nintendo knows they got to tell people what's
going on with these games now before the iron really
is hot. With the switch To, It's already is kind
of that way. But you know, I think they also
know they have a little bit more leeway here because
people will see these games and many people think I'll
just wait to play that on my switch To. And
I don't think Nintendo would hate if people reacted that.
Speaker 2: Way, right, No, I think they would be completely fine
with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Well, still they have
not announced a direct.
Speaker 1: They have not said when they have announced the direct
for April second for the switch Too, So it's like, Okay,
is this February one actually going to happen? Probably? I
bet it could be smaller, could be like a direct
mini something like that. I don't think it'd be a
partner direct. I do think Metroid would show up in it, so,
but it still could be much smaller.
Speaker 2: We just get like a Metroid Direct where they do
things like talk about a Metric Prime four and the
Metro Prime two and three masters, maybe put another game
on NS SO. I don't I can't remember there's any
more to even actually put on there. They they may
have had all the ones they can't do on nso there.
But yeah, there's plenty more Metroid out there they could do.
Give me Metroid Prime Pinball, damn it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wouldn't be impossible. I don't think a Metroid Direct.
Speaker 1: There are rumors that they might have like one last
Switch game, not anything massive, but one last Switch game
that they want to announce and treat like a big deal.
So maybe that leads them back to a standard direct,
but I would welcome a Metroid Direct.
Speaker 2: You still got to talk about Zeno play Chronicle z
X a little bit here, right, That's true, that's still coming, You're.
Speaker 3: Right, all right. Sony is going to publish kata Kawa games.
Speaker 1: Kata Kawa put out some financial news said what was
going on. They talked about their partnership with Sony and
how it's going to you know, Sony made a big
investment in them, and this is going to cross over
with anime.
Speaker 3: We talked about it a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Anime is a massive thing with kata Kawa, and Sony
will be deeply involved in that. But as part of this,
it also says Sony will publish some kata Kawa games
now right, people immediately said, hey, Bloodborne right, still know
still know the one thing, the one thing I'm able
to confirm. Anything else I say about this is speculation,
But the one thing I'm able to confirm is that
they still are not making or doing anything with Bloodborne
right now. So if that changes in the future, I
have no idea, but right now today.
Speaker 3: Still nothing happening with Bloodborne.
Speaker 1: So when Sony and Katakawa say they're doing that, that
is not what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: About.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't probably probably not, Like why
would they need help with because I mean that's band Namco, right,
So they're not going to not work with Bandynamico anymore
just because they are also working with Sony. So I
think this is like Sony being like, maybe we can
help bring some of these other franchises up out.
Speaker 3: Of anime and help you with those or something along those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like help me, Like what would that even be
because you know, I know kata Kawa has a relationship
with from Software somehow, but like I'm otherwise I'm not.
Speaker 3: Is like the parent company of from Software.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, I don't know if they own them completely,
but I think they own if not.
Speaker 3: If not completely, then they have a majority stake in
them or something along those lines.
Speaker 4: So yes, they there's like the one of the biggest
companies in Japan, so they own a lot of ship
So it's kind of hard to know what their involvement
is in all of this.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, yeah, I think you know, what like speculation I
would have about Bloodborne for people I know people are
always curious about it is, I'll just say the same
thing I've been saying for years. What I always heard
was that they Frumsoft needed to be involved if something
was gonna happen with Bloodborne, and they've been too busy.
And then a few weeks ago, sho Hey Yoshida said
the exact same thing and said it was his speculation,
said he was guessing that that's how he felt.
Speaker 3: I bet he wasn't guessing that.
Speaker 1: Again, that's just because I've heard that previously years ago,
So no new information there, but that that would be
My continual guess is that is the key problem that
prevents something like that from happening.
Speaker 2: Man, Like, like I get it a bit, but almost
people want is to play that game is sixty frames
per second on like PS five and PC like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, was that Monday? I'm sorry it felt like
a many weeks ago. Go ahead, Mike, I didn't mean to.
Speaker 2: That was but it's like, you know, like people don't
want some like big definitive edition with new content and whatnot. Really,
they just want this game sixty frames per second on
like PS five and PC right like it look like
it's great Measzaki is super busy of course, and it's great
that he wants to be involved, and you know, maybe
it can't be some way, but can't we can't we
kind of do this anyway, even if you don't necessarily
have the total bandwidth for it. Again, we just want
sixty frames per second. I don't know why we have
to be waiting like a decade after this game's original
release to get there, or probably already there. When did
Bloodborne come out twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen, eleven years? Cool?
It could be come on, come on.
Speaker 1: B Famer points out, other students are busy, blue Point
had to work on other stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh my god, oh my god, holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah again, it was never going to
be as easy again as far as I'm aware, to
like get Bluepoint to just do that because Fromsoft wants
to be involved. But in a perfect world where those
keys are just handed off to Blue Point, you could
see that just easily being something could do, you know,
without much trouble. Oh well, okay, last thing here, stay
of play probably next week.
Speaker 3: That seems to be the way things are going.
Speaker 1: You know, I mentioned recently I had not heard much
about this, starting to hear more about it when it
happens next week. I know there's like, you know, some
like Valentine's Like people are saying, hey, Valentine's Day, but
that's Friday, So I bet Wednesday, Wednesday before Valentine's Day,
I could see that happening. I don't know for sure
this is These are just kind of our rumblings out there,
So I think this is also going to be one
where it's like I do expect Sony to have to
come out and put some real bangers in this, not
massive bangers, but I hope would be.
Speaker 3: Hey, no, we understand where we are.
Speaker 1: At with how people feel about our games right now
after all the recent news about cancelations and live service stuff.
So let's see if we can reset the narrative. And
this is probably gonna be their chance to do that, right, you.
Speaker 4: Think they're gonna show Maraton and that kind of stuff,
like people, this is I don't think the mood is.
Speaker 1: For like, yes, they might not have a choice there,
right because Marathon is supposed to come out this year,
so it might they might have to just show it
because they have the asset ready to go and they
need to like get that going.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty curious what exactly they show you because
you know, there are whole studios that kind of were
working on projects that just got canceled, so they may
not have anything to show. Hopefully something from Insomniac, whether
that's Wolverine or Venom something like that would be nice
for them. We'll see more of Ghosts. I'm afraid to
say it now as they said it wrong before, yot Yota.
Speaker 1: Take me a long time to realize the e is
always mix an a sound yo.
Speaker 2: Right, right, So the Ghost of Yote would be nice
to see some more of that. I wond if they're
going to have some third parties involved. Maybe this is
where we can see the next resident Evil. That would
be super exciting, right mm hmm. Yeah, Belgersova will be
there too, right. Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: That feels like the date leaked and I guess that
they did they put out the trailer officially right eventually
or do they not do that?
Speaker 3: I don't know either way. You felt like that was.
Speaker 1: Originally spoke to kind of maybe pop off at this
state of play, but whatever, Yeah, Metal Gear Solid will
be there and that they'll think a lot of things
along those lines. NC and Chap asks or says like, well,
why would Sony care about any of this?
Speaker 3: What are people going to do? Get an Xbox?
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, i'man up to a point, but what
they're really worried about is PlayStation five hardware sales are
also down double digit percentage points year every year, and
they are looking for growth where they can get it.
So you know, they are also just they're competing against everything,
or not competing against Xbox anymore. That really is over
even for Sony. So yeah, I think Sony's feeling the
pressure to act. That's why there's been so much turmoil
internally and why they've had so much like the changing
of the guard a little bit, and they have been
doing layoffs like they don't want to be doing that stuff.
They want to be growing so they can hire more people,
so they can make more games and make more money
in the future. So yeah, they are definitely looking to
reset the narrative for those reasons, not because they care
about what Xbox is doing.
Speaker 2: That that's correctly. See anything else about out in Intergalactic?
Is that Naughty Dog's game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Intergalactic is Naughty dogs game Intergalactic? Can you
remember the subtitle.
Speaker 2: Herit or something? The Heretic prolog Heretic Circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Fantastic Heretics, the het the Heretical Circle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, that's it.
Speaker 2: It feels like the kind of game where the announced
we don't hear about it again for a while. Actually,
so I don't know if we do. You think we
see it right away again?
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, because I mean that was in
a the Jeff Kiey thing, right, and that was like
the one game in that whole ship. Yes, yeah, the
game Awards that didn't have any date attached to it.
A bunch of other stuff was like twenty twenty five,
elden Ring Night Rain twenty twenty five, but no no
date attached to Intergalactic and I think that's probably because
it's definitely not twenty twenty five. That amy Yeah right, okay,
a good point of comedy. We know what's going on
with Okami that is legit years and years away. They're
just starting on that. So yeah, I think this is
one where that's the asset they got ready to really
announce things, and then we'll hear about that thing probably
in more than a year when it's closer to coming out.
All right, I think that does it for us for
the headlines. Why don't we take a break. We'll come back,
we'll hit the super chats that have been coming in,
and then we got a Supermount Rushmore.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about.
Speaker 2: Supermount Rushmore first time ever. Baby, here we go.
Speaker 1: All right, we are back, Mike. I see a handful
of super chats have rolled in. Why don't you get
to reading those right now?
Speaker 2: Sure, super Plastics says I love you guys, thank you,
super Plastics.
Speaker 3: I super Plastics. Yeah, that's very nice thing to say.
Speaker 2: I love you as much as I can possibly love
somebody I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yes, I fuck with you.
Speaker 2: Adam Stein says, which is more likely to come out
this year? Meana the Hollower or Cairn need fancy advice.
I'll tell you what I mean of the Hollower in
my fancy critic last year that didn't work out great,
I think I did. I might have picked it up
again this year. Some thing. I'm like, well, it's got
to come.
Speaker 3: Out this year, but I think mean it comes out
this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen sometimes these indie games take a surprising
long time to come out.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: I played that game last year. I played Me and
Know the Hower last year. Actually I played it the
year before.
Speaker 3: That too, So man, that doesn't mean much. That said.
Speaker 1: Okay, never mind, I played Spoon Heaven. You never heard
of God? How many days? Okay, well, can you tell
people like around the general time that you played it,
so someone can in chat can calculate how many days
it's been played it.
Speaker 2: It was the last E three, so al must have
been E three twenty nineteen, so like July twenty nineteen
was when I played Holiday night silks On.
Speaker 1: Just pick one of the days that the show for
was opened, somebody and tell us how many days it's
been since.
Speaker 3: Mike played Spoon Heaven.
Speaker 2: I'd really like.
Speaker 3: To see that number. It's yeah, it's easily quad digits.
Speaker 1: That's incredible, incredible I had I probably still was bald,
but I probably didn't have many gray hairs at least.
Next up is from uh two bersas playing Metroy two remake.
Speaker 2: Great game, bad hardware. I assume they mean Metroid Samis
returns on the three DS and not another Metroid to remake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably yes, playing Metro to remake. Great? Yeah, great game,
bad hardware.
Speaker 2: Wait, like, what's the bad horror? The three DS?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The three What are you playing? I like the three DS?
Hit the three DS?
Speaker 4: Now, what's going on?
Speaker 3: I can't keep up with the kid. We thought the
kids are hating.
Speaker 4: Maybe they hit it Moto sixty four now and I was.
Speaker 2: It hurts, It hurts his hands, It hurts his hands. Okay,
well I must have superhands. They hurt sometimes, but generally
I never never had to get like one of those
cases from my switch with the extra grips or whatever.
I raw dog the switch all the time, it's completely okay,
it's kindly fine.
Speaker 1: I cannot say the same after my first time I
really had hand injury was eighty hours of dead cells
in a week on the switch, and I was like, oh,
I have hurt myself actually where I need to take
a break.
Speaker 3: So yep, would help me? Maybe just have tiny hands.
Speaker 4: Mike is just built different.
Speaker 3: I think he's just just different.
Speaker 2: I felt like I should play another Metroit two remake
at some point. Everyone likes that so much. Yeah, I
think some people like it more than Sami's Returns.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like it better than Sam's returns. Sam's Returns
is good, but uh yeah, it's another Metroit prime. Another
Metroit two remake is fantastic. Mike two thousand sixty seven days.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and sixty seven days since I've played Spoon
and Him, I barely even remember what it was like.
I remember there's some kind of a dive attack or something.
I remember that. Oh God, I'm glad that's the last
thing about gonna ever remember about E three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a good send off right there. Honestly know,
once that game comes out, it'll be a little bit
sad because it's like the last remnant of E three
is dying God.
Speaker 2: I couldn't arrow it down to the day because it
was definitely the last day of E three that year.
On the show floor, it was like the last thing
I did before leaving. Gosh, it's wild. Simon from Saskatchewan
says talking about our blightening around for Blake Club. Coming up,
there is Jeff's short game Da Katana sixty four. Jeff
was done dirty yesterday by Mike. Mike's a heel. Now
puck looked fun. Did you play the Gretzki sixty four
games or a few things ago here? I did not
do anybody dirty.
Speaker 3: I's no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Because I helped cause I was hoping that the slightest
nudge ever because I realized we need to beat this
game today because we can't do like a twenty minute
episode next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all I did, Like I am.
Speaker 1: There's definitely like when I think about Dai Katana and
Ride to Hell, I have shoot like, oh man, that
was rough stuff when I.
Speaker 3: Think about it.
Speaker 1: But I was working a little bit on that because
Mike was right, we needed to get that done. A
fifteen minute episode would have really sucked, and it would
have been weird to be like a fifteen minutes of
Dan playing one game and then me starting mine. That's
not a good way for us to do Blake clubs.
So we bet the bullet.
Speaker 3: We beat it. That's it made the most Say, uh.
Speaker 2: Did you ever play the Gretzky sixty four games?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not bad. It's actually a decent hockey game
on the N sixty four. There's not a ton of
like good or great sports games on the N sixty four,
but quite a good handful of arcade sports games on there.
Speaker 3: Blitz is fantastic on there.
Speaker 1: Gretzky is also probably the Blitz of hockey on that platform.
Speaker 2: Okay, next one, here's from Brian corliss Is sending a
super chat on a message thank you so much for
the message.
Speaker 4: Is on the comment sorry he forgot You can click
the comments in the chat.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, let's see that. Oh there we go. Do
you think Nintendo will release an official keyboard to slot
the joy Gone controllers too?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Actually, that's not like impossible. That's a fun thing. I
would like that, but probably not.
Speaker 2: The game cubetic keyboard.
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, game Cube controller, GameCube, keyboard controller. I
think it was like Hory made that or someone. Right,
I don't think Nintendo made it, No, because maybe segam.
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe Nintendo made it. Maybe I'm wrong,
maybe I'm completely wrong. Ask Asky sounds right. Yes, yeah,
it came out with because like it came out with
Fancy Star Online.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Aside from Saskatchewan's back sayings, I feel left out
with GTA six hype. Never could get into most Rockstar games.
I know they're loved and good, but not for me.
Has this ever happened with you?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean it happens with me with GTA uh.
As much as it's interesting to talk about and I
will play it, and I like other Rockstar games like
the Red Dead stuff, I never cared about GTA that much.
It's a little weird, like to have like the one
franchise I don't care about that much be the biggest one.
It's like, oh my taste bad? Like what like? What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: What on?
Speaker 2: I get here? But I you know, I kind of
understand a lot of it is just me and the kind
of things that I like and kind of things I
don't get out of Grand Theft Auto yeah.
Speaker 1: I For me, it's like I've had my time with
Grand Theft Auto Grant when Grand Theft Auto three came
out and we obsessed over that and passed the controller
back and forth. It was this massive cultural hangout game,
and I never really felt much of a need to
try to replicate that because it was so social the
way I played it and not socialised in like gay yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, the way exactly, the ways talking about the way
that Andrew Wilson means it exactly.
Speaker 1: So I've always been like, oh, I fully understand it,
and I do. I do, especially because it's like it's
culturally like in a game about a city, A modern
city is always going to be like have a way
of like reaching more people because it's just going to
appeal to more people than a lot of other kinds
of games. And I think that will hold true forever.
So I always get it. It's just I don't feel
the same. So I'm right there with you on GTA
where I'm interested in GTA six from an academic point
of view, and I will try it, and who knows,
I probably will end up liking it, but it's not
something I'm sitting around thinking about all the time.
Speaker 4: Mike, Mike, I can see you now. The D six
is gonna held the whole whole role playing thing. I
can see you playing. She t A six role play.
I don't know you're you're the the artsy theater kid.
I can see you do it.
Speaker 2: GT five had role playing right, He wasn't.
Speaker 4: He wasn't straight line.
Speaker 3: Mike, Sorry, Christian. Have you watched Mike.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like to make his own fun like that.
That's not you knows when I like be like, oh
I have to like figure no, come on, let me
give me a mission. Gives a man a mission.
Speaker 4: I thought, because he's a theater kid, he will have
that role in him, that role dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what theater. He's got this teenage mutant in
turtles caroling for that.
Speaker 2: That's right. I have other outlets for that. Funny Duddy
Cyber from Saskatchewan again Think as Much says, what would
be the best Nintendo franchise to have a metro Venia spinoff?
And sower has to be Mega Man? Right, Well, this
would be good fits. Yeah, they you know they've kind
of done with Mega Man with x x Z and
x Z advent Or is it zx Z x X advent.
They could have gone further with it, but there should
be the fact that Mickey Mouse has a metro Vanua,
right and they you know, you took Prince of Persia.
You just made that a metro Vanua and that worked.
Maybe that's what Beyond Good and Evil two should be.
Speaker 1: Actually, Diana, Uh mine is a Ken Griffy baseball, just
like kind of make it look like guacamele a little bit.
Just use the bat and ball as a weapon. You
can upgrade that stuff or whatever, find new versions of that.
Uh yeah, I want a Ken Griffy baseball. Metroidvania.
Speaker 2: Chris Pratt says, watching this Tim Apple show servants, man,
I wish they did this to me so my any
can experience stomping foot pass for the first time in
Mario Arcade like I did in a laundry as a kid.
P enis thank you, Chris Pratt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, that's the dream, right to just
have your any always work. But getting to play Mario,
I get it.
Speaker 2: Yep uh t g I f brahm bromalgia fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: What I'm not gonna pretend I know what fibromyalgia is.
I just hear it in commercials for prescription medication, Mike,
so I know how to say it as it plays
on a loop in my.
Speaker 2: Head that t G I F says, should I get
the Mega Man X or Mega Man zero Collection? Well,
so here's the thing. The Mega man X, questions is
actually two, and you would only really want that first
one because it has the two great games in the series,
Mega Man X one, Mega man X four and two
three or also good. All four zero games are good
and they're a bit more. I don't know, continuous. I don't.
You can't go wrong. Just don't get Mega man X
Collection two, Volume two unless you're a real Mega Man freak.
But gosh, maybe zero. Honestly, those zero games are really
really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can both.
Speaker 2: Mega man X is the best game of all the
Mega man X one is the best game out of
all that. But uh, you may have you maybe have
played Mega man X, right, I don't know. Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about Mega Man more recently cause you're like, Mike,
or you made the joke like I'm never being a
Mega Man I'm like, haven't. I?
Speaker 3: Oh, Man, you're right.
Speaker 1: I think I did beat Mega Man four, but I
don't remember it at all, so I'm like, I remember
having a good time with that one. I think my
problem is I always try to go to Mega Man
two or three, and I think I should just go
to like five or six, a weird one and beat that.
So I'm like completely removed from so much of the
talk around it and then just start doing so I'll
go back to one and kind of work my way
up at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, five, five I think is pretty approachable, Yeah for sure,
or even eleven. I think eleven a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, eleven best selling Mega Man game, two million copies.
Speaker 2: Two million copies. We did it, everybody, So who knows
how many sales to get there and how many years?
But uh it happened. Uh. Phill Up for Tuna says,
I'll be in Japan during EVO. Tickets are cheap. Never
watched it, but I've gotten into fighting games in the
last few years. Should I go double Penis because it's
it's Japan and Eva?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Is that as good as Las Vegas Eva? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really good. I mean yeah, all the I
feel like, oh, well, this is going to be a
little bit controversial. I think I think that the quality
of players like higher because the Japanese players can can
travel to Las Vegas, you know most of the good ones.
So I don't know, it's pretty good. I will as
a final fighting games, I would love to go to
EVA Japan and.
Speaker 3: Then you're in Japan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty cool. Well he's already gonna be in Japan.
That's happening it either way.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh yeah, I'll be in Japan during EVA.
Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, but if you're there and it's happening,
I would definitely go.
Speaker 2: Okay. Ep Idiot Box says he's if Mike is to
fight his black Queen, he's going to have to stop
slamming POGs. That Extinction Burst is going to really help
can get into Disney shape.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, Box is an expert.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, uh be Travin says, Elon Musk justin Royland
and Thomas Middle uh middle ditch, middle Ditch Rubert working
on an anti woke game.
Speaker 2: It's not the quit games journalism before the discourse. Oh
my god, no, what does that mean? An anti wol game?
Is it just Nukem Forever to Yeah?
Speaker 1: Basically, I almost certainly you're just gonna play well, and
it's Elon Musk right, and he didn't like Grand Theft
Auto because you shoot cops, so you're gonna play as
a heroic cop. It's gonna be a nightmare boy.
Speaker 4: With the AI.
Speaker 1: Of course, I cannot stand that the thing that finally
turned the gamers against Elon Musk was just cheating in games.
Speaker 3: That's the really couldn't handle.
Speaker 4: Because sounds actually is sacred. Brother, you don't understand this.
Motherfuckers had nothing. The only thing they have is that.
So the second you you break that, your your you're
dead to them.
Speaker 2: Yep, last one here, we got another one on. Tire
Wolf says I love you all, but I'm not looking
forward to when g t A six comes out and
everyone's having fun with you guys going you g t A.
I'm gonna play Missed instead. Oh hell yeah, Oh hell yeah.
I can't wait to make that my whole personality. That's
gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm gonna write, I'm gonna get a post
a note and remind myself to say that once.
Speaker 2: It's uh so yep. Soso Rosa says which Mario game
has the best overall slashop It's gotta be Peaches Castle right.
Speaker 1: For three d I think I I think I always
compare Overworld.
Speaker 3: To Super Mario World.
Speaker 1: Uh sure, in my every time I play a game,
I'm like, this is not as good, not as good
as the overall in the Super Mario World.
Speaker 3: So that's clearly up there for for me.
Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean the three D element and
actually be able to run around it and explore and
having the secrets that is better.
Speaker 2: Yes, between the soup. Not a big fan of spaceship
Marios much like Galaxy too. I'm like, what why is
why am I just flying around on a giant Mario face? Like,
why isn't it an actual spaceship? I think that would
be cooler.
Speaker 1: Yep, agreed, Yeah, I'm all of those games. I'm like,
just didn't do it quite as well as the originals.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it for now. If we got any more superchats,
everybody who want to send it more and we will
read them before the end of the show. Thank you
so much everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Bowser Sury is cheating h yeah, because that's
just the game. Sure, all right, thank you so much, Mike,
Thank you everybody for sending those in. We get more,
we'll read them until then. Though, let's take one more
break while we get set up for a super mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3: Mike, Actually, you explain it real quick and then we'll
take the break.
Speaker 2: We're picking eight things instead of.
Speaker 3: Four, okay, and what's the category best.
Speaker 2: Video game franchises? Back illis would just be like reading Tide.
The things that people would be mad at.
Speaker 1: Mayde the things we always say. We're seven, you and
ourselves all right back after this, everybody, all right, we're
back from break. I've got our list ready to go
to be filled in. We're doing a super Mount Rushmore
of video game franchisees eight instead of four, basically a
top ten less but who the hell are we to
do one of those? We just do Mount rushmoors around here,
Mike Manatti, where should we begin and are there any caveats,
any sort of definitions you want to throw out to
kind of establish the ground rules here?
Speaker 2: Well, no, Goku's right, It's always a good one for
this kind of thing. So, you know, not Star Wars,
not Star Wars, not Dragon Ball. You know, video game
franchise that started as video games, you know, they have
to be a franchise, and franchise.
Speaker 3: Is two games.
Speaker 2: Even a franchise, right, you know, I want you to
have a few games, and you know it's going to
be a bunch of factors. It's popularity, it's quality, it's
like kind of importance. All that's stuff matters here. Just
figuring out what are the eight both a uh kind
of important and hell, what's the word emblemic? That's not right?
Speaker 1: And emblematic emblematic emblematic videos to Okay, so let me
let me just give this as an example.
Speaker 3: I think we could probably I could argue.
Speaker 1: That while it only is going to have a handful
of games, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Be careful eleditoring.
Speaker 1: I think could make this, but I think it's also
maybe too new for me to actually want to argue
it on there.
Speaker 2: But you're saying you would be just be like not enough.
You're saying that, no, it's not enough. But you don't
think we can think of eight other videos I gif?
We think we can no, And that's what I'm saying.
That's why I'm not even gonna try to argue it
on there. I was just given it as an example.
So I think what we're just what we just said
there is we would have an argument about it. We
have an argument. We can talk about it. If you
like felt that strongly, I'll tell you why it's wrong.
We talk it out.
Speaker 3: I don't agree that it's wrong. It's not going to
make the list. So yeah, okay, all right, Mike start
us off. Mario, what do you think.
Speaker 2: This is why it has to be a because there's
a very obvious one, right, and I'm like, should we
just yeah, let's I mean legend of Zelda. Yeah's awesome,
we are Manzelda has gotta be there. No, it does
get a bit more interesting because you know, it feels
like my personal thing, absolutely Metroid, And I think Metroid
is very It's got the quality and the importance of
those others too. It's lacking a little bit and popularity,
but it's still very prolific right there.
Speaker 1: I think if a franchise has a pinball game, like
a video pinball game, then it has a pretty good
chance of being considered here. So yes, the Metroid so
not permanently like it's being considered. We just got we
really got Metroid Prime pinball in the mind today. Hell yeah, yeah, definitely.
Well shit, we gotta consider Pokemon now. I was gonna
say Sonic there, Yeah, there they are. Mario's already covered.
We're fine, and that one barely counts because fuck that game.
But yeah, okay, so so far as Super Mario Brothers,
The Legends helda Metroid, Pokemon, and Sonic Mike, we have
to stop being so old.
Speaker 3: We got to name something a little bit newer than
any of these. Well, yeah, I know it's hard.
Speaker 2: I don't know about newer, but it's not to tend
to at least what about a street fighter?
Speaker 3: Oh definitely, Oh.
Speaker 4: My kind of guy. I see who it is, let's
call the street fighter.
Speaker 2: Should probably consider it here for sure.
Speaker 3: Street fighter?
Speaker 1: Okay, I would be like, okay, like, what is the
shooter franchise?
Speaker 3: Is it Halo?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't personally want to put
Call of Duty on our list. It could be called duty.
Halo's kind of it's kind of in a down period,
right exactly.
Speaker 3: So it's like, also, gonna be tough to put it
up there.
Speaker 4: But we're still doom. Yeah, we're still doing well. Yeah,
Chatty is Clamory important?
Speaker 2: I don't wor I see him, I see you, chat okay,
and we all love Doom Pinball, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Of course I would Actually that'd be great, That would
be amazing. All right, so doom.
Speaker 1: Uh let's see, so so.
Speaker 3: Far we have seven already.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's gonna be a blood bath. We're gonna consider
some more like oh yeah, Resident Evil. Yeah, oh jesus,
absolutely needs to be considered gosh important series.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna put Dark Souls up there. I
think that. Yeah, that is kind of iconic of modern gaming.
For sure.
Speaker 2: I played all those games, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, you're my Dark Souls expert.
Speaker 2: Now Final Fantasy, oh jesus, yeah, do we do Dragon
Quest two or you think it's like Dragon Quest was first?
But I don't know. Maybe this is my Western JRPG
fan bias, but I'm still like foul Fancy, You're still
kind of more important today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we just do Final Fantasy.
Speaker 2: It's probably fine.
Speaker 3: I think, just globally.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that'll change, It could change over time,
but even like, just think about it globally, I think
Final Fantasy has just got a little bit more of
a hold. Uh you know, it's not like running away
with it. But this is gonna be a tough list,
so yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so someone said this and I like this,
and I wonder. I bet a lot of people gonna
roll their eyes, but ultimate.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like, I want to talk about all Yeah,
we can talk.
Speaker 4: About all the boss just kind of.
Speaker 2: I know, but look, I want to talk about it.
Got Warcraft or StarCraft and chats interes saying Warcraft's weird
because it's urts legacy seems almost completely irrelevant now except
for the fact that it led to Doda, which I
guess is pretty important. The MMO stuff's a bit insular
these days. Maybe Warcraft starcrafts a little bit of a
harder spin. It's two games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know Warcraft or StarCraft.
Speaker 3: You want to put one up there or what?
Speaker 2: Maybe just warcrafts okay? Uh oh yeah, Castlevania come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Castlevania's I think it might be tough for it
to make the list, but we got to consider it.
Speaker 2: Got to consider it. Here's an excellent question from beef
Hammer and to some other people. Is Tony Hawk a Goku?
Speaker 3: Oh man?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's like clearly like right there on the
border of potential Goku.
Speaker 2: I say, no, I don't think he's a go go right,
because I think franchise he's just a person, right.
Speaker 1: And also, like, I think I wouldn't feel that way if,
for some reason, we were talking about Tiger Woods Golf, Right,
if golf was like the most popular and important video
game franchise, I think I would be willing to consider
that as well. So, yeah, Tony Hawk's pro skater. We
haven't throw a metal gear on there yet, No metal gear?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean this is a weird one.
Speaker 2: Tetris Okay, what is that one?
Speaker 3: Just I don't know.
Speaker 1: For me, it's like Tetris is just the game Tetris.
I don't think of it as a franchise, you know me,
It's just keep they just keep releasing Tetris, right, that's
part I know it's weird.
Speaker 3: That's why it's weird.
Speaker 4: It's hard to improve perfection, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Yeah we didn't.
Speaker 2: We should talk about Grand Theft Ato probably.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, definitely Grand Theft Auto. And at this point,
it does look weird not to have Halo, So let's
put Halo in there to save ourselves about it. Okay,
let's Elder scrolls that one feels like it's been so
long since one that maybe it's been.
Speaker 2: A little long. I just don't think it. I don't
think it's in the that st here right now. Yeah, okay,
franchises for sure, quite there. You know, there's a few,
there's like a few, like like BioShock. That's three games.
It's been a while, you.
Speaker 3: Know, exactly. Yes, that's another good example that like Smash Brothers.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like Smash Pros a lot importance. It's
a poort attendo that's a little harder.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm asking that.
Speaker 1: I think these ones are like Monster Hunter, right, like
that one's clearly super important.
Speaker 4: But I mean it's important to me. But who cursed?
Speaker 2: Right? And I mean there's other friends that I really
like a lot that you know, uh mega man, I
love and I'm I'm you know, I'm not delusion all
about it. A half half Life is basically three games again,
and boy they're very important games. Though maybe half Life
is worth talking about. Okay, I can't believe. I can't believe.
I don't know if I'm getingntrolled by people say Mario Party,
Mario Party is not making it dioplo hmm.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, let's take a break. We can still
add more stuff. Here's what I want to do.
Speaker 2: Let's start gating rid of things.
Speaker 1: No, let's move over, like what would be just the
four for the normal Mount rush More and then see
what we have left to work with.
Speaker 2: Let's pretend it was must pretend it's a vanilla Mount
Rushmore for a moment here, right, and then it's.
Speaker 1: Like, in that case, I really do think it is
Mario and Zelda for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are very easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely those two.
Speaker 1: God, and then it prob I mean, honestly, it really
is Pokemon after that.
Speaker 2: I mean, the one thing with Pokemon is like it's
so multimedia. It's not a Goku for sure. No, it's
not a Goku for sure.
Speaker 1: Maybe a reverse gokup a little bit, it's like a
reverse Yeah, it's in an immediate Maybe it seems that
way to us, maybe because we got the game a
couple years later when the multimedia train was already rolling,
so we just got all of it at once.
Speaker 2: But it almost felt like this multimedia blast in a week.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it makes sense to me what you're saying.
Speaker 1: And someone Chad, stand, it's got the popularity, not the importance.
I mean, I don't know, I think it's clearly super
super important, but I just and not feeling it necessarily
having to be on there, especially after you've voiced that
maybe not on the first, maybe not on the normal
Mount rushmore right, right, right, Resident Evil.
Speaker 2: I think I was about to say Resident Evil. It's
talk about being around for a while and being very good.
Like people forget that the first Resident Evil is a
ninety six, like the same year as Maria sixty four.
It was also just an important early three D game
on top of everything else, and then you know, res
Evil four kind of invented, uh the third person shooters
like as they are today.
Speaker 1: Still, you know what it always reminds me of, like
franchises like that is it's Tom Brady. The thing about
that makes Tom Brady the goat and football is, uh,
he has like several arrows of his career that if
you compare them to like any other single quarterback, it's like, oh,
Tom Brady equaled everything John Elway did in these seven years,
and then everything like Dan Marino did in these seven years.
And Resident Evil is that kind of franchise where it
has had it's had arrows that are equivalent to so
many other franchise his entire careers. So yeah, I think
Resue will probably clear. It's because of that, all right,
then we we'd have one more spot left.
Speaker 3: And this is tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'll tell you what flies out to me
is Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Tony Hawk, Grand Theft, Auto,
Metal Gear.
Speaker 2: A lot metal Gear stuck out to me as well. Again,
a bit of a down period right now, we're about
to get a remake at least, But boy, Medle Gear
saw it especially was so freaking important. Is one of
the big you know, we had narrative games before, but boy,
that was kind of a big mainstreamification of that. In
a lot of ways, there's only a lot of games
felt like they had to up the presentation side of things, right, like, oh,
we had to actually hire voice actors now, like for
a while, there's like, oh, get meg Man eight from
Capcom and here's anybody in the office who happened to
know English is doing the right mm hmmm mm hmmm.
So like Metal Gear, maybe Doom sure was very very
very very important and it is still around and is good,
and there's eras of it for sure, but yeah, and.
Speaker 3: That a middle eras though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's like a big kind of middle gap
of sort of nothing. There's a reason why when they
first announced that that Doom reboot me and you were
dismissive of it.
Speaker 3: Yep, yes, for sure.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I mean okay, yeah, metal Gear.
Speaker 1: I just like something like Street Fighter pops off just
a little bit harder for me, Like when I think
about how how timeless that's been compared to maybe Metal Gear,
but only slightly.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm trying to like figure out like
what is the best to measure this idea that we
have here.
Speaker 2: And you know, street Fighter like invented the fighting genre.
Then it brought it back, right, it always helps kind
of keep it going. Things like if we consider Final
Fighter street Fighter game it, uh, you know, be gave
us the modern beat them up, which is still the
way beat them ups played today.
Speaker 1: Basically, Okay, well, you know, we we don't have to
actually just do four.
Speaker 2: We can just start heading up, like, well, why don't
we add Street Fighter for now? And then we can
because I think that's that. I think Street Fer's gonna
be in there so right, That's one of my question
is do I think Street Fighters going to be on
the Final thing. Absolutely, let's just put it in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree? And should we then? Should we do
the same thing with metal Gear?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Yeah, Gear is gonna make it, isn't it? I
think is gonna make it?
Speaker 3: I think, So why.
Speaker 2: Don't we do that? Why don't we start figuring out
maybe you delete them from that left calm, let's figure
out the ones that aren't going to make it.
Speaker 3: Sure, let's see there's that that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I've seeing a lot of people say Halo
needs to be there. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm convinced of that, right, Yeah,
I feel like Halo needs a renaissance to justify it.
Speaker 2: Halo just got rejected pretty hard recently.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean, listen, it's clearly very important games.
But that's it's not they are all these games are.
All these games are very important.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, even want of stuff about Seleccia of supportant,
like oh, those porks that established the Xbox which is
now a brand. That's kind of right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it definitely like established real first
person shooters on console. For as much as I love
GoldenEye and Perfect Dark like games, first person shooter games
still mostly play like they do in Halo. Obviously, Call
of Duty refined a lot of that and that's really
how they play now. But they mostly overall play like Halo,
and that's the largest genre in many ways across gaming.
So I get it. It is close, it is up
for consideration. It's right there on the short list.
Speaker 4: I feel if I feel like, if you're going to
put a fis, it should be at heart Life because
like this, this storytelling and everything was so so big
at that time kind of changed.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, if we're just being like, hey, a
first person shooter, it's call of duty. Like yeah, but
as like twenty five years uninterrupted of just being gaming
to most people, like come on that, that's that is
a mount rushmore of video games ties without a doubt.
Speaker 2: We're talking about what we're actually beats. It's kind of
hard not to say call of duty as much as
you know, as much as I'm not super thrown a
batter all the time.
Speaker 1: Right, I just yes, probably duty. I don't think Halo
gets on before college culture.
Speaker 2: I think call of Duty eight Halo's lunch in a
lot of big ways. Yep, I just do call of
duty right now. That's fine, okay, yeah, all right, we'll
get fight out for these last two slots here. Yeah,
we can probably we can probably get rid of Doom
and Halo and even half like Halfway's just not Halfways
is two very important games, and you know that the
VR game is very very good. If you con center
Portal a half Life game, it maybe gets a little
bit more interesting, right.
Speaker 1: I think I think you can, and I think that
does make it more interesting. I just don't think that's
enough to put it over goes.
Speaker 4: It's a culture strike also like a half Flight games, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. It's like a bunch of legacy
connected Yeah, you know, you think about how Halfway yeah
is also like the progenitor of counter Strike and Team
Fortress and Portal and all that other stuff. Gosh, even
like titan Fall's using that engine. Mm HMM's okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, but we have two slots left, yes, and I
don't know if Half Life clears Grand Theft Auto And actually,
when I look at it, Warcraft because Warcraft is yeah,
is those real time strategy games, Yes, but then you
talk about legacy of okay, Warcraft online, world Warcraft, excuse me?
And then also Doda if we're talking about like the
sort of spin offs legacies that in that sort of way.
Uh Doda starts in Rbstone Free Rstone, Yes.
Speaker 2: Workcout's pretty Yeah, it's heart.
Speaker 1: You know we talked about we were talking about like
Halo and how important that was like online gaming, right,
come on, World of Warcraft actually even a level above that,
because it like is a culture still to this day
that is.
Speaker 3: Absorbed by that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that's a compelling argument. The reason why let's
let's maybe let's get rid of some here. Sure to
help us out, I put Ultimate here because it, you know,
for a series that doesn't get talked about a lot anymore,
it like it helped invent computer RPGs, then it invented
the immersive sim then it kind of en the MMO
also with Ultimate line. So like all this incredibly important
stuff that it did forever. It's bizarre to me that
a franchise like that can just disappear.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that kind of shows that video
games actually have been around for a long time, that
something like that can come and have gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's gone.
Speaker 2: Sonic Sonic is Sonic is a fun franchise. I like
it a lot. It was definitely important for propelling competition
for Nintendo for the first time ever. The call body
has been all over the place. It even sales Like
sometimes I was kind of like Megan and You look
like actual Sonic games in you know, they never saw
a ton of copy, especially past that Genesis era. So
these song doesn't quite hang.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does it.
Speaker 1: And really like, if we start looking at it on
this list and try to like like compare it to things,
it's lesser Mario in some ways, really like for this list.
I don't mean that like game by game or anything
like that, but for like representing what this list means,
it would be a lesser version of something that's already there.
So we do have one, two, three, four, five, six. Okay,
Metroid does not hang.
Speaker 2: Don't think it hangs. Ah, It's it's so good and important.
Speaker 3: I agree, I love it.
Speaker 1: But it's like, if we're doing the Mount Rushmore a
video game franchise, is that people who are just fucking
into games love, Yeah, like game developers a video game franchise,
Mount Rushmore. Metroid is up there, but I don't. We
cannot put it up there before Pokemon. We can't put
it up there before Grand Theft, Auto Work Draft. Okay,
I think it's really those and Final Fantasy Now Okay,
I'm like right.
Speaker 3: There on the edge.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Even John's trying to trigger me saying nobody knows
what Metroid is. I know it's not as populously as
there are things, but people know.
Speaker 5: Okay, you're gonna call me out there, Mike, come on now,
you're dismissing Pokemon, but you're like Metro. I didn't get
out No, No, it's it's about importance. It's just like,
why is metal gear there? But I know gamers love
metal about it, but yeah, right, but why is it there?
Speaker 1: It's there because when I'm out in public, I hear
the metal gear phone ring like it reached the culture.
Speaker 2: Like it reached the culture it did.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I guess a lot of that was presentation and storytelling
becoming much more important with the advent of that. Maybe
the weakest one on the list right now, I think
for sure, maybe it's the one that falls off.
Speaker 5: Those reasons are also why a Pokemon should be considered
because millions and millions and millions of people got into
gaming because of the games like Sure, the TV show,
the card game all that stuff, but so many people
got into gaming because of Pokemon, and we may not
even have handheld gaming as we know without it. Yeah,
it was absolutely important.
Speaker 1: I think we're probably not gonna have this list without Pokemon,
like it, Pokemon probably.
Speaker 3: Makes this list.
Speaker 5: Like I get where you're coming from. Might trust me.
You know. I love METROI too, But it's about like,
what's you're talking.
Speaker 2: Important probably isn't making it. You're probably all right.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's like just importance, Like we
we are finding different reasons, but importance is just such
a heavy factor here because otherwise this becomes very difficult
to parse.
Speaker 2: And if Petrick doesn't make it, assume Castlevani is not
making it either, correct.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's yeah, all right, deleting those two.
Speaker 2: I think what you said before about Tetris, how it's
kind of not even really a franchise.
Speaker 3: Like it's like a sport, right It's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, just like football, like tennis again.
Speaker 1: And like there's they have different variations on it, but
it's like, yeah, that's Tetris again.
Speaker 3: Still.
Speaker 1: I know it's a weird feeling, but I think people
get what we're going for it.
Speaker 4: Which it's really too perfect for this list somehow stut.
Speaker 2: True, Yes, they'll see now's that now Coast trick game
veins are important, incredibly important. It's pretty much tons of
games that aren't even metro Venous took those aspects that
make their games better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, literally literally Earlier earlier in the podcast, when they
were describing a tree the Castle Vania, it was just
like a Dark Souls game.
Speaker 2: Dark Souls is like a metro Vina. Yes, absolutely, back
mark anyways, times postcare pot doesn't really hang at this
point right where we're at.
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a video game ass video game franchise,
but now it doesn't hang.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's even.
Speaker 2: Dark Souls, right, it's it's the cold Days.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's doing so well right now, there's still something kind
of very new about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, so for audio listeners, let's just kind
of let's take a breath. Here.
Speaker 1: The things that are on our new shorter list Super
Mario Brothers, Zelda, Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Metal Gear, Call
of Duty six games. We have five games left that
we're considering, Pokemon, Dark Souls, Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto
and Warcraft. Nothing is set in stone yet, but yeah,
I think when I kind of just all sam all
out loud, I man, Dark Souls, I think in another
ten years probably could make this. But right now I'm like,
I probably am not going to try to fight for
it to be on there.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of it's it's a bit of a
weird spot. It's kind of that halfway problem where like
the Dark Souls franchise is three games and there's like
this kind of from software franchise that actually matters if
we're talking about like that rest world developers right now
or something like that. Maybe, but it's a little strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, PEO haven't.
Speaker 2: Really talked about graft, Theft, Auto and Boy. As sure
as pop it is popular and important. It like, in
some ways I don't want it on there, and I
don't really have a good reason necessarily, right yeap, Like
I just don't like it that much. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think it probably is on there though, right, I
mean sells us billion copies. I mean, you know, inventing
the open world genre as we pretty much know it
was a huge deal. Reaching I mean talking about reaching
the culture. I mean, if there's and other games that
just is culture at a certain point. Yeah, Okay, I'm
moving Great Theft Auto over and I am gonna move
Pokemon over for now.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Uh Now, when that leaves with Dark Souls, Final Fantasy
and Warcraft, should we just delete Dark.
Speaker 2: Souls, Delete Dark Soul. We haven't talked about fant Fantasy
at all.
Speaker 1: Right, so Final Fantasy and Warcraft, and I think we
did mention that like metal Gear, I think even like
maybe street Fighter a little bit weaker considering some of
these other things they're going up against. Would we want
to replace either of those with Final Fantasy or Warcraft.
Speaker 2: I I think I would maybe replace metal Gear of
Found Fantasy because a lot of reasons. I was talking
about Mental Gear in terms of the presentation. I mean,
Fan Fantasy seven beat that by a year. Anyways, you know,
it was a big deal for uh jearity, especially in
the West. There's still so many of them chasing Fantasy Train.
It's gotten being up a little bit. But even then
that seems temporary because Fan Fantasy seven Rebirth has been
doing really well on Steam right faugh Fantasy fourteen, Giant
Hit of Course two Fahaci Time was a very very
important game for the early Days of the PS two
very Uh it's again a very prolific franchise, right yeah,
in the music alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think it's also it helps that Final Fantasy has
really made it work in a couple of different ways.
Between having a long running, you know, traditional j RPG series,
it's had two and one incredibly popular multiplayer a massively
multiplayer online RPG. I think kind of having those two
prongs maybe puts it over the top for me. And
like when I'm considering it against something like Metal Gear,
which has you know, I think the thing about Metal
Gear is it's cool and it has this sort of
every game is different in some ways but also continues
just the Kojua thread of being weird.
Speaker 3: I like all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But maybe that is not gonna make it onto the
Supermount rushmore of video game franchises, and probably it put
definitely puts it on like I think, coolest video game franchise.
Speaker 2: It kind of hurts a bit that, like, for a
while we were getting a lot of Metal Gear likes
and now we really don't, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, It's not something other people are like clamoring
to try to do anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, m hmm, okay.
Speaker 2: The same with Warcraft is like there was that like
five year period where World of Warcraft's cultural dominance was
absolutely insane, like like the era where the South Park
episode happened and things like that, and it's it's never
quite been there again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think the I was gonna like try to discount
the r r RTSs, but no, not really. They were
super important in their time. And uh again they spawned
off Doda, so like Doda one existed inside Warcraft three.
Speaker 3: So uh, I think it's close.
Speaker 1: I think it's very close for Warcraft, and I could
see it replacing some of these, but all of these
games deserved to be on this list. I guess if
I was going to replace anything, it probably would be
Final Fantasy and I think the or maybe Street Fighter
st Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the one thing she fighters is that
it is I mean it is just fighting games, and
you know, just fighting games, right, what does that mean?
But it's rough. Street Fighter was such a big deal.
I mean it was a giant hit. Especially she had
a very.
Speaker 3: Similar hold on culture in the nineties.
Speaker 2: It helped kind of relative arcades probably would have died
a lot earlier than they even did without it, right, and.
Speaker 5: Without Street Fighter, we would not have Mortal Kombat or
smashed to the biggest franchising game.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no the tree d fighting games too, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, street Fires got to stay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, it looks right on the list
to me.
Speaker 1: I get that Warcraft being off there doesn't look super ripe,
but there was always going to be some painful misses
on here, all right, So here is what we have
for the Supermount rushmore of video game franchises, Pokemon, Grand Theft, Auto,
Call of Duty, Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, the
Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Brothers.
Speaker 2: It is the most interesting thing is how you don't
even have to talk about Mario and Zelo.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think maybe people would have been
a little bit more short with us for Zelda before
Breath of the Wild, but after breatha the while, I mean,
the thing you said about that, it's just cementing its legacy.
Nintendo cementing their legacy with that game is so true,
but definitely for the Zelda franchise, it's like, Okay, this
thing has done it now several times, and this is
a new way of doing it.
Speaker 3: So yep, you don't even have to talk about them,
they just are. Okay. So that's our super mount Rushmore
of video game franchises.
Speaker 1: Throw this up on the skeeter for everybody to take
a look at and give.
Speaker 2: Us their thoughts.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the help of doing that,
Sean and Christian. Let's take another break. We'll come back.
We'll clean up some super chats after we talk about.
Speaker 3: What we've been playing right after this.
Speaker 1: All right, we are back and Mike, what have you
been playing Civilization seven?
Speaker 2: Quite a bit still? You know, I played the my
first game and lost mostly. You know, it's your first game.
I think you should lose. There's still kind of going on. Yep,
a lot you're getting figured out. Also, it seemed like
a lot of the players were going towards the same
cultural victory, and the way you do that is by
sending out archaeologists to find artifacts, and there's only so
many of them, so it's like, well, Benjamin Franklin got
to seven of them and I got to five of them.
I'm kind of I'm kind of screwed there. Even though
the game was like, oh, if you like overbuild, like
build something over an old building, you might get under
effect that way, and that never happened to me. So
but I I am liking it, Jeff, still quite a bit.
I think it's still very chill time, but it's still
a very pretty time. I kind of like the whole
ageous thing. I like that it switches up my gameplay
style a little bit, even if I am doing cultural
stuff in each age that means something different. In the
first age it's about mostly about building wonders, the second
age it's about religion. In that third age it is
about archaeology. For example, I think that the streamlining of
the way cities grow and are built up where it's
just you know that food, like you know, however much
food you're getting, then every so many turns you just
get the particular tie and immediately have that improvement on it.
You don't have to build a worker and then actually
send them out building this stuff and building the roads manually,
things like that. So yeah, I'm enjoying I'm you know,
it's a little surprising. I get it. Like people who
are really into sieve, they have some issues with it,
and I won't. Like I almost wanted to kind of
be like hoity toity about it, and then I try
to imagine when like the more casual Smash players come
to me and say, right, I'm like, yeah, that's what
that's what I am with SIEV Right. I will play
tens of hours of this game, not hundreds of hours
of it. So you know, if they if they're really
upset because they don't have an auto explore option on
a scalt bother me, see, I didn't even notice that's
that it. Yeah, Like I see a lot of people
complaining about the UI. That's like a really big complaint,
and I would that would not have occurred to me really,
So maybe I'm dismissing something there, but I don't know.
I'm having a good time with it. You're playing it.
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, I mean I think I am able to
kind of sit here and see it from a lot
of perspectives. I think this is a game that most
people are going to play the way you're playing it
and find a very enjoyable game that is very satisfying
to play. And then I'm like, Okay, but I think
some of the reasons it's satisfying are because of the
dopamine sort of machine, the skinner box, the the kind
of the clicker the idle game of it all of like,
I'm always working towards some goal, and the numbers are
going to get bigger, and then I have some new
goal to work toward, and that is just inherently satisfying
as any idle game is. And so it's like, are
the strategic decisions I'm making interesting? And I think that
they are on the border of being interesting. And I
think where I really end up with this game is
I have the easiest time seeing this sieve turning into
the good CIV that all CIB games eventually become, more
so than I did with CIV five and SIV six
when I when I kind of played a little bit
of SIV six, it was like, oh man, they got
a long way to go when I first played those games.
Early on this one, it's like, oh, I, they're gonna
get there. They're gonna get there very easily.
Speaker 3: With this one.
Speaker 1: They're gonna pick up a few things here and there,
nips and tucks, UI improvements.
Speaker 3: Of course that's gonna happen. I'm not even worried about that.
Speaker 1: So I think this is a fine game to pick
up now, and you're probably gonna enjoy it if you're
not too into this franchise, and if you're super into
this franchise, well you should have known this is how
you're gonna feel, because that's how they.
Speaker 2: Always feel, the same thing with CIVE six. Like I
was there, gandahalf right. I remember how everybody was like, NA,
just play SIV five with all the expansions, don't play
CIVI six. And I get that that's the other part
of it. And I said this before, like I kind
of like SIV when it doesn't have some of that
overgrowth that happens with the expansions, right where like when
I was paying SI six before SIF seven came out
for fun, there's like this whole u n aspect of it,
And I was constantly like proposing votes and everyonce in
a while to go vote. It just felt like something
that was interrupting my game that I didn't want to
do with, along with a few other things that were
added through previous expansions, one of them being natural disasters,
which is still here, doesn't seem to be quite as
prominent a thing that wasn't a giant fan of that
in the other game. Like you know, every once in
a while a volcano goes off, and now that's my problem, Like, great,
that's fun.
Speaker 1: And this in this game, it's like a volcano goes off,
you get a bunch of like food bonuses because of
all the.
Speaker 3: Ash dropping down and fertilizing the ground. And then like
one of.
Speaker 1: Your towns catches on fire a little bit and you
just spend one dollar to fix the extra.
Speaker 2: Right, it's nothing, So that's fine, little sorry sorry that.
Speaker 4: What civilisations are you playing like I'm doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's it's weird because you pick a leader
and that's what you have the whole game, and the civilization.
You also change each age and like the ones you
can be in further ages depends on your starting civilization
and your leader. So that's kind of interesting too. And
because of that, sometimes I don't necessarily remember exactly civilization
it is. Maybe do you kind of lose some of
that stronger identity with any in my mind? Like when
I picked Benjamin Franklin, I am like, I'm Team USA
this whole time. That's really what my civilization is to me.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like Humanity the other game where you
like didn't choose shirts, just let's pick randomly.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're What they're really trying to
do is just sprinkle in some grand strategy feelings into
this game and have some like continuity through the ages
that feels like, Okay, my civilization is changing and transforming
based on my decisions, and that stuff is just not
fully there yet, but it's uh. It does add flavor
to the game without a doubt, and kind of makes
it feel a little bit more interesting. And again, I
think it's all stuff that as they see what works
and what people players respond to what they don't like,
they will be able to edit this game very easily
and make it much better. Like over the next couple
of years, I played as the Egyptian lady whose name
I can never pronounce, have faced this or something like this?
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I can never say her name, but I always play
as her, and uh, then I started as the Mississippians,
and then I can't remember who I played him between,
but then I turned into the Japanese by the end.
Speaker 3: So real good time.
Speaker 5: It's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's outstanding. I will probably do
at least one more playthrough now, especially since it was
a lot of fun on the Steam Deck.
Speaker 3: It's a good Steam deck game.
Speaker 1: Uh, not too surprising because of course they made this
game for the switch after SIF six sold so well
on the on the switch proper.
Speaker 2: We should maybe, like if we we'd had to car
off a carve off a good amount of time for it,
but be fun. At least start a multiplayer game with me,
you and whoever else from Giant Bomb wants to try that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can always accelerate, like the turns and that
kind of stuff, you know what I mean, Like it
takes less turn to do stuff, so you want you want.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, just as song as you know something,
you get like the one player who's like they really
take their time with their turns. This is like when
you're playing a board game, right, You got that one
guy Monopoly is looking through all their lands every time.
Get going here a little?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fastest version of that all my multiplayer game
is pretty quick, So let's give it a shot.
Speaker 3: I think it'd be worth at least exploring.
Speaker 1: I've never really done that before. If I have, it's
been forever and don't really remember it.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like back when I played SIV rev,
which was like, you know, maybe that's why I have
like a more like I don't know, normy opinion a
civilization because that was my entry point, the Xbox three
sixty game. But that was a game like, yeah, I
would play with just like my brother. I thought of
that as more of a multiplayer thing, whereas you know,
the PC one. Since then, not necessarily caring too much
about multiplayer, I just play campaigns by myself.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly anything else, SpongeBob square Pants, Battle for Bikini
Bottom Rehydrated. You always just play the same kind of
games all the time, basically just SIV seven again, it's just.
Speaker 2: Since theeven again, you know you're you're probably you know
you hear the same thing. Everyone always talks about how
surprisingly goods Battle for Bikini Bottom was, which was like
originally a GameCube Xbox PS two platformer, and.
Speaker 1: I can tell you my assumption, Mike was, Oh, these
are kids who grew up with this kind of putting
this over in their mind, and it's probably.
Speaker 3: Not as good as all that.
Speaker 2: I love it. That's fantastic. I played the remake because
it's on game Pass. It's from my understanding, pretty one
to one like some things feel a bit different, but
it's you know, the same cut scenes, it's the same levels,
it's the same voice clips. Right, you still have the
fake mister Crab's voice actor for example. Didn't even bother
replacing that white. Yeah. I just thought it felt very,
very very good. I mean, it's exactly what I want
from that kind of collect the th on three D platformer. Uh.
You know, you're going around, you're always getting the little
bits as you're kind of very base currency. You can
use that to the golden spatulas, which is like the
stars or the Jiggy's in this game. The levels were
all fun. This was you know, done in prime SpongeBob time,
so the writing is still kind of you know, cute
and funny. Sometimes you have a nice stoling out of
abilities but not a ton of them, and you have
some character swapping stuff here, and it's not as overbearing
and I'm not just as Donkey Kong sixty four. It's
like in each level you can also sometimes be either
Patrick or Sandy and they have different abilities and different
spatulas that only they can access. It's not like they
have like the green bananas only they can get. It's
kind of it is, I says it before, and I
stand by it's better Donkey Kong sixty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really fascinating concept. I want to check
it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll play it on Steam.
Speaker 3: That guy I've always wanted to.
Speaker 1: I played a bunch of the other SpongeBob games, now,
I never really played this one.
Speaker 2: I thought, again, it's like all I ever heard was like,
it's surprisingly good, and even going into that, my takewaz
surprisingly good. All right, well it's not as good as
like the Marios, but you know, I might get killed
for this. Is it about as Banjo KAZOOI?
Speaker 4: Oh you was just cutting with fire Brother, like this.
Speaker 3: Is I gotta see for myself.
Speaker 2: Is it maybe as good as Jack and Texter one?
Maybe a little bit below? I don't think it's like
that wildly below it, honestly.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I definitely. I definitely have to come
to my own judgment on this one. So I'm gonna
check it out.
Speaker 3: I yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of sieve, a lot of lonely
Mountain of snow Riders. Recently that's been a nice kind
of chill out game. And then, as I mentioned on
nintend Dogs, just dicking around on the N sixty four
here and there, not much else, not nothing too serious
being my club. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to reacclimate myself exactly. No,
I actually haven't played it since you guys mentioned that's
my platform, so although I will, I would like to
do a stream this weekend of the N sixty four
so I can get that up and running. So hopefully
my my retro tink shows up and I can get
that all going, if not overnight something from Amazon and
try something cheap. I actually might have something laying around.
We'll see, okay either Mike, all right, Mike, Oh go ahead.
Speaker 4: Well have you played my from street Fighter six?
Speaker 2: So yes, I did. Actually I was playing as my
street Fighter six. I just did like her beginner and
intermediate combo tutorials and then I went through our cade mode.
She's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: She's fun. Yeah, characters like Terry. People say Terry is weak.
I don't care. He's just a lot of fun. And
I don't know how she is in the tier list.
I don't care either. She's a lot of fans. He's
just a lot of fun. Literally, you throw fans at people,
so like, yeah, he's just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of fun strings there and just yeah,
it's a it's a good time playing with her. I
I don't know if I'm going to like go online
and do a lot even our kboat like the last
couple of fights, like, oh, I'm kind of bad street
Fighter six again. Oh no, but I was sort of
picking up. I haven't played since that first wave. I
didn't touch it at all during season one or the
you know, season two before this, so uh, this is
kind of the one. You know, Terry seemed interesting to me,
but mine, I'm like, oh, this is this is this
is a lot of fun. Why not? And you know
they're cooking, they know what they're doing. They're doing there, I.
Speaker 4: Know what they're doing there. That level three gets some
mangled so sometimes and they're like, well, hopefully it's somebody
watching me playing this game. So we're yeah, no, she's
she's fine. She gets crazy when with her install her
Level one gives her like a buff where her fans
catch fire, well a bunch of her moves catch on fire,
and she becomes normally she is pretty good, but when
you got the level one installed, she is crazy good
because you get like weird shuggles, you get extensions, you
can do a combo that goes from one side of
the screen to the other side. So yeah, she's a
lot of fun. Super recommend Also sorry. We also added
a bunch of good quality of life improvements with dispatch,
Like you can jump into replace. That's huge if you're
like playing, if you're playing a lot, you're losing a lot,
jumping into the replace will like cool you down so
you don't keep losing. It's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool mechanic. There you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, more Masters tears, and now you unlock colors
for your character if you play rank it, which is
like crazy to them, like you have to give you
some reward for playing the video game that they didn't
have that and what else. It's just it's just really good.
They promised, they didn't promise. They said they're working on
more outfits, which is what this game needs.
Speaker 2: I feel like, so right, I get that casual my
outfit as an actual outfit.
Speaker 3: Yea, that will happen for sure.
Speaker 4: It's in the game already, got dam and like what's
going on?
Speaker 1: It's easy money, right, It's just they're gonna do it
without a doubt, all right, Mike super chats.
Speaker 3: Let's uh, let's polish the show off.
Speaker 2: Oh hey real quick? Uh wire land Force coming to
the Tento switch on Linux, bitch apec.
Speaker 3: He very cool. Yeah when I when I will need
it the most.
Speaker 2: All right, what okay? Where we leave off here? Oh?
Signed from Saskatchewan, says Mike. Where's the misstream? Dan and
Jeff help you? Uh?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I think both of them are banned Jeff maybe. Dad
definitely cannot be in a mystream. He's just gonna want
to like have some conversations not about the game. And
I envision a very chill, kind of quiet misstream where
we contemplate and solve puzzles and admire the world. That's
why I want to do it in the morning.
Speaker 1: I would also probably get like distracted, but I would
be very curious constantly about that weird deep missed lore.
I'm always fascinated about that. People who I've talked to
who are like deeply into that are strange. They can
talk about it for forever only there's like massive homes
that they've gone through reading this stuff. Yeah, just always
weird to me that that stuff is in missed. So
I would I'd be curious about that.
Speaker 3: Would love that explained to me?
Speaker 2: You know, I'd love to do it. I the problem
is that it's something and maybe i'd like to do
on Giant Bomb. I don't necessarily have the bandwidth to
have another thing going on Giant Bomb right now. Maybe
I could do my own personal streams, but I don't know.
I kind of like the idea of it being a
show there or something else. I have a lot of
plates spinning right now. Maybe if for if one less
plate stopped, and in this industry they always kid somehow
when I might get missed thing, But otherwise I don't know.
Tjif is back, Mike, what Dragon Quest character? Would you
do ay a hushka with ayahuasca? What's that?
Speaker 3: It's a drug that rich people do to have feelings?
Speaker 1: Again, Oh, I don't like drugs. Listen, if someone tells
you they're going to go do ayahuasca in like Costa Rica,
you don't want to be close to them.
Speaker 2: Definitely, right, red flat, Yeah, I'll do it, Dragon Quest character.
That's it's gotta be something from eleven. Uh probably Silvanda, Right,
that's gotta be the right answer. Yeah, I'll do drugs
with Silvando. I'll be safe. Silvano makes sure nothing bad
happens to me. Jeff, same question for.
Speaker 3: You though, but with pickmen?
Speaker 2: Right about Pickman? Yes, which Pickman character are you gonna
do this scary drug with?
Speaker 1: Clearly the rock Pickman, because it will be my rock.
It'll be something I can hold on to when I'm
exploring the deepest depths of my soul.
Speaker 2: Guy, I like it. Yep, when you hit rock.
Speaker 3: Bottom, when I yes, there you go.
Speaker 2: Fun Egar Marina says Halo was also an important land game.
Four is better. Glad it won, but land games were
cool for a while. But I mean, like, you know,
we don't. We don't do that no way.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but you like it led to online,
but it's also just not the land game. Yeah, it
was important for Land, but like land parties, we're not
talking about Halo. When we're talking about Land parties, we're
talking about bunch of people connecting their PCs together to
play all kinds of games.
Speaker 3: Like of course Halo was important for.
Speaker 1: Land for sure of consoles, especially on college campuses.
Speaker 3: I get it, but that's not the Land party that
we're talking about. And that quake was the Lamb game.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly, like I remember my brother and his
friends would actually do. They'd like bring their laptops and
one would use my dad's work computer and they would
do StarCraft Land games here stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Uh the uh there's that picture of the San Antonio
Spurs I think after they won the championship flying back
on the plane with the trophy sitting right next to
them while they were all face to face, four of
them had their laptops land together and they were playing
StarCraft duos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's like, yeah, that's the Land game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's it with the super chats.
Speaker 3: All right, excellent. Then I think we're ready to wrap
the show up and I'm gonna hit the music.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, but he four more likes? Everybody hit
that button? Please, all right, I get to one hundred, yer,
I'm mad.
Speaker 3: Don't make Mikey mad. Everybody. All right, you got any
plans for the weekend or anything like that, and anything
you want.
Speaker 2: To tell people, I'll probably stream at some point, that's
all I think. Well, you know, Twitch dot tv, slash tolkoto,
not that I beat SpongeBob, you know, I probably want
to stream some sieve I do. I have Kingdom Come
Deliverance too, and I I feel like I should try it.
I gotta see what it's about. I still like it's like,
I don't know why. I mean, I kind of know why.
It just feels so like I gotta play that. But okay,
let's play it. Let's see what it's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in the same boat. And like we said
one some other show at this point this week.
Speaker 1: Don't need a lot of reasons not to play something,
but this one's given me a lot of reasons to
play it. And I do not, like hold a grudge
against the game. It's not like that. It's not that simple.
It's just like you're right, I'm not. It's not sparking
joy when I think about playing it as all, and
maybe that'll change once I actually start.
Speaker 2: I've been on recordfore, I don't necessarily like a medieval
as a biome, right yep, yeah, necessarily my favorite thing.
So we'll try. It might be a lot of fun.
I could always go for a Skyrim like or whatever
it is. I suppose. I don't even really know, so yeah,
it could be fun, but no, hopefully chill weekend. What's
going on? A Giant Bump tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Yeah, yeah, we'll have a.
Speaker 1: We'll have the games mornings of course, but then we
are going to do a power Bomb cast.
Speaker 2: Are you going to be on the right, that's right something, Yeah,
I'll be there.
Speaker 1: Well, the power BombCast, and then we got to get
a upf up and running because Jane will be busy,
so I'll run that.
Speaker 3: Sean.
Speaker 1: Should we look and see if we could do Monster Hunters?
That help me figure out like how to do Monster
Hunter because I've not even looked into it at all,
And then don't warrant but it okay, all right, well,
no reason not to, Okay, it's this beta.
Speaker 2: Also going to you play through that stupid boring intro?
Speaker 4: Probably it's probably yeah, it's literally five minutes, Mike.
Speaker 2: Mike's right, all right, everybody.
Speaker 3: Oh we played Puck. I played that as well. That
was fun. Go watch that on Giant Bomb. Bye, everybody,
all right?
Speaker 2: The super Bowl that's right?
Speaker 1: Oh, super Bowl? Oh, also on Saturday. I will stream
Saturday morning. I'll be doing some more grub fandango, so yeah,
look out for that.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're out, We're clear.
Speaker 4: Uh, break break, break, yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, that the
we don't talk about the the not eatree because issues
boring ship people.
Speaker 2: Everyone's freaking out about that. That's just the beat to
be event. That's what game Speed does. They're doing our stuff.
Trust me, you don't care about it. Uh huh, that's
I mean if he means business to business, so yes,
just the execut net there are people networking.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: It's the Shadowy three that like actually was super important
to everything but did not require the giant. Uh they
pay me four million dollars for a place on this
floor sort of thing, and so like they and that
was really what paid the bills.
Speaker 3: So then the E three made it.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's gonna make it makes sense now somehow, but
it's not gonna make money like it wants.
Speaker 2: Fucking We can get back to it.
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 4: Uh give me a second, Mike, you two think just
crush and there we go. Let's go back super chat
then yeah.
Speaker 3: Yep, let's do it all right.
Speaker 2: We are break double rushmore.
Speaker 4: If you want to set up that, I'm going to
get it. Thank you, bro. That's I like that that.
I like middle and I'm so sorry that he went
down that. Yeah, he was, he was a path he was.
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Was he ass or did he do some stuff untowards.
Speaker 2: In the end?
Speaker 4: Plus he went like weird though, Okay, that's he was. Yes,
he was an asshole to like waitress and women in general.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 5: Okay, hold up, I missed dumb Truck today. I was
just editing it. Mike is the BBQ? What what the BBQ? Slamma?
Did you guys hear that?
Speaker 1: I was listening on and off and I did not
hear this? Should I just go listen?
Speaker 3: Or do you want to explain?
Speaker 5: Well, he's the big black queen slammer?
Speaker 1: Apparently, you guys getting up coming up with scenarios for
me that I just can't engage with without getting.
Speaker 2: I've got to sit here, okay, in trouble somehow or another.
I don't know how.
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean, you live your life, Mike, whatever makes
you happy.
Speaker 3: You're not judging, if that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Everything, Oh my god, I think so, Charlie is. I
thought he was beautiful black queen.
Speaker 3: But if you I mean, what's the difference between big
and beautiful?
Speaker 4: None, He's just like a nomenclature.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, okay.
Speaker 4: He's not denying it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course I'm not denying it. It would be
incredible going around talking in terms of slamming.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 5: This is while you're wider. You're so uncomfortable even thinking
about it.
Speaker 2: I am not a comfortable thing. Yes, I have a.
Speaker 5: Comfortable concept, the concept of like is saying it. I
can't say this. I can't get away with this. I'm
too Ohio for this.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Okay, uh all right, I think I well, let me
fix the gam.
Speaker 2: I just feel like if a lot of it's like
somebody else suddenly had a dick dave that was like
ethnic type and sex thing, they would be uncomfortable. Also,
I don't think this is bp weird.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know we have to be
so weird about it, Mike, this is.
Speaker 4: Just happened to you. I don't know how this just
happened to you.
Speaker 3: Mike. It's because it's very funny.
Speaker 5: He's a cartoon character. That's that's right.
Speaker 3: All right, I am set up ready to go, Mike.
You ready, You're.
Speaker 4: Gonna come up with the other presidents, the the you know,
the four.
Speaker 1: President Okay, yeah, yes, okay, yeah, William McKinley, Christ Benjamin Franklin,
all right, let's uh, let's do this.
Speaker 3: I'll bring us back in.
Speaker 4: Break break, Break break, all.
Speaker 5: Right, did these guys just make a good list for one?
Speaker 3: We got to do it over.
Speaker 5: This is the one time where I think it's like
anything you would swap in, like maybe Tetris, maybe Warcraft.
It's like hard to argue what you would even take off.
Speaker 1: So I wonder, I wonder who got Now that's the
problem is we had to we have enough room for everything,
so now we're not going to get the engagement.
Speaker 2: We should have just thought that. We should have just
made it four and we should have put Metrod in
with Mario and Celado. I should have posted that instead
of it should have been those three and Mega man,
that would have been hug, that would have been us.
Speaker 3: Oh man, that'd be fun. All right, I'm ready to
get into it. Let's go, yes, say okay, actually, let
me fix the camera quick.