WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:15.519 You see something's going to happen. Question, what's gonna happen? What? 2 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:27.039 Hey, guys, what is happening? And what is up? 3 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.559 Hold out your glass because we are about to feel 4 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.840 it up. Welcome to the Prometheous Lens podcast, the place 5 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:36.359 where the conversations are always unlightened. 6 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:38.479 I'm your host, Doc Brown, and here we'd like to 7 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:39.960 use the allegory. 8 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:43.679 Of the Prometheus Lens to take a second look at everything. 9 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:46.439 Hey guys, if you new to the channel, welcome to 10 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:47.320 the Hero's Journey. 11 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:49.759 Be sure to hit that like button, hit that subscribe 12 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:52.280 button down below. 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Hey, guys, 20 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:19.239 With all that junk out of the way, man, let's 21 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:21.599 dive into the fun stuff and the meat of the matter. 22 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:24.599 I have a great conversation for you lined up today. 23 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:27.879 We're gonna take a hero's journey through the abyss. 24 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:28.439 Y'all. 25 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.359 Okay, Now, this is a man that had me on 26 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:33.680 his show a couple of times. We've had some really 27 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.959 great conversations, and he's been in the deep end of 28 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:40.079 the pool of a certain pool that I've not really 29 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:43.200 had much time in. So I got my life jacket, 30 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:46.040 I'm suited up sign, I'm ready to go, and I'm 31 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:48.519 excited to talk to this guy. But I'd like to 32 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:50.480 welcome to the show for the first time, hopefully the 33 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:54.200 first of many times, Nick from the Occult Rejects. Man, Nick, 34 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:55.640 thanks for coming hanging out with us today. 35 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:58.120 Brother, of course, no, thank you. I really appreciate you 36 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:00.599 having me on, man, And like you said, the times 37 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:03.159 that we've had you on have been great chats, awesome, 38 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:06.239 awesome discussions, so I'm sure this will be a good one. 39 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:08.159 Thank you, Bud. Yeah. 40 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:11.080 Man, Well, just for those that's not familiar with your 41 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:13.800 show or your channel or what you do, just give 42 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.280 us a little introduction, listen, a little bit about yourself 43 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:19.240 and background and your show and where they can find it, 44 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:20.719 and just give us a little background. 45 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:24.759 Awesome, Yeah, thank you. It's the Occult Rejects. It's been on. 46 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:26.680 It's been around for about a little bit over four 47 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:30.000 years now, the last year and a half, it's probably 48 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.240 come become like a conglomerate of like a bunch of 49 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.000 other shows. Originally it was just two people, so if 50 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.159 you listen to the old episodes, you definitely see a difference. 51 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:41.080 But for the most part, now in pretty much the 52 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.840 same thing that the channel always did, cover the occult 53 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:48.000 and true crime and some paranormal, but we definitely focus 54 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.560 a lot more on the occult, obviously because it's the 55 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:55.439 Occult Rejects, and mainly due to myself. Originally when the 56 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:57.639 show started, I was an ex member of the Auto 57 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.280 Temple Orientus and I was with somebody who was at 58 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.360 X Golden Dawn. So again, you know, cult rejects. We 59 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:07.439 both have experience in secret societies. I myself is you 60 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.400 know again, is the only X that I know of 61 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:11.960 ex secret society member in the Cult Rejects now, but 62 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:14.960 again I do have that, I guess as a part 63 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.680 of my resume. I was in the OTO, did a 64 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.840 couple of degrees and left, so but yeah, that's basically 65 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.919 what the O cult rejexes. Thank you. 66 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.400 Yeah, that's one thing I really enjoyed about your show 67 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:29.199 is because you you do. You always have a star 68 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:32.800 studded panel man with a lot of interesting, well educated 69 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:37.000 people trying with different diverse backgrounds. So you whatever subject 70 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.319 you're tackling, you're you're getting it for multiple angles and 71 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:42.520 multiple multiple perspectives. 72 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.039 Yeah. Yeah. And the lucky the great thing is too 73 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.240 is that everybody, even though they may not even look 74 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:49.039 at it the same way, they all get along, which 75 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:51.159 is amazing, you know what I'm saying. So it's like 76 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.159 actually like just very like you don't have to worry 77 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.680 about like hearing people argue or disagree on the topic. 78 00:03:56.800 --> 00:03:58.560 It goes really well, that's great. 79 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:03.280 Yeah, yeah, you can always respectfully disagree, yes exactly. 80 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:07.759 Yeah, yeah, I don't need to start throwing chants like. 81 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:13.800 Yeah, well man, if you don't care, because like you know, 82 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:17.079 we've had some private conversations and I've heard just little 83 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.680 lot of details. Uh but far as like the ot 84 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.480 O in the Occult and things like that, I am 85 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.639 completely ignorant, and I'm sure there's many people I will 86 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.079 still showed that or in the same boat you know, 87 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:32.439 so it's like, if you don't care, just you know, 88 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.199 explain a little bit to us, you know, what is 89 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:38.639 the ot ouh and just kind of how you got 90 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:41.240 involved in that, and just kind of dip our toes 91 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:41.959 in man. 92 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:45.759 Sure, what is the OTO? I mean on paper it's 93 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:47.800 supposed to be a secret society. What it really is? 94 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.279 I do sometimes questions if it's even like a CIA, 95 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:52.439 be totally honest with you, but I mean that's a 96 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:55.360 whole other other story. But uh, yeah, the Ordo Templary 97 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:59.120 orient this was a it's a free uh it's a 98 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.839 secret society that originally was a free Masonic order by 99 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:07.399 Theodore Russ and like one or two other dudes. Eventually 100 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:11.560 they came across Crowley's Book of the Law and said, 101 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:14.519 oh wow, you're putting our secrets out there. This is 102 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.920 the story, you know, And then they somehow get in 103 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.160 touch with him and they end up like handing over 104 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.399 the order to him, and he puts his Book of 105 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.199 the Law kind of like as their you know, I 106 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:28.120 guess religious text and changes the degrees, knocks them down 107 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.279 to like thirteen. There was like thirty something like Mason's 108 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.439 and you know, basically it kind of like it turned 109 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.959 it over to like a thlemic magic type thing. But yeah, 110 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:40.800 originally it was it was a Masonic order. 111 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:41.199 Uh. 112 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.839 Crowley took it over and again based on like Thelema. 113 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.680 They have the Nastic Mass, that was something that I 114 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:50.399 used to go to a lot. They have that. It's 115 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:54.519 like their version of church that's part of the the EGC, 116 00:05:55.079 --> 00:06:00.120 the Ecclesistic Gnostic Church, something like the Ecclesiastic and the 117 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:04.000 Catholica sometimes some shit like that. But uh, which is 118 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:05.920 interesting because if you think about it already telling you 119 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.639 that there is a part of Catholicism inside the OTO, 120 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:13.959 which is interesting, you know. And the Gnostic Mass is 121 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.759 even based off in the Russian Orthodox uh Church, so 122 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:21.439 I mean some of their rituals. So but uh, yeah, 123 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:23.199 it was a secret society started by hand. I know 124 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.000 a lot of people. You hear Alison Crowley, You're automatically 125 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.959 going to say, oh, sex magic if maybe Fortunately I 126 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.399 probably because of the people there, I never had to 127 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:34.439 really be exposed to any of that. That's that part 128 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.360 of my story. And I don't know if I really 129 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:38.439 wanted to have sex with anybody in that order anyway, 130 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:43.319 but uh, just unfortunately but I will say when it 131 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:46.519 comes to the Gnostic Mass my experience, that gives some 132 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:48.879 people some juicy stuff to talk about. I know, they 133 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:51.439 always love this stuff. Uh you will see titties, you know, 134 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:56.000 boobies will come out. So that was uh the first 135 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.199 time I went, and even the reason I got into it. 136 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:59.639 I guess maybe I should back up a little bit. 137 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.560 I was highly into conspiracy theories when I got into 138 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.600 you know, already around two thousand and ten. I started 139 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.279 getting heavy into that stuff, and I was huge into 140 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:16.480 like David I, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tassarian, who was the 141 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.680 other guy, Mark Passio obviously, all people who touch on 142 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:22.720 the occult a lot, you know, and symbolism. So I 143 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:24.519 think maybe just due to that and that stuff kind 144 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:26.839 of quote my attention, I went straight into like kind 145 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:28.720 of looking into that stuff as well. When it came 146 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.319 to conspiracy theories, you know, orders, what kind of magic 147 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:35.439 this and that, it was very intrigued by it. And 148 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.920 this is just for me. At one point, when you know, 149 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.120 I'm listening to this stuff for years now, I'm like, 150 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:43.199 I really still don't know what the hell magic is, 151 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.920 and I'm like I'm like chasing all these orders like 152 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:47.439 this one came from there, this one came from here, 153 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:49.120 this person was running it, this person was running that. 154 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:51.600 But I'm like, I still don't understand anything, like what 155 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:54.040 are they actually doing? And I was like, maybe I 156 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:56.079 can just like join one of these things and I'll 157 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.160 just find out for myself what the hell's magic. And 158 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:00.680 even at this point, once I thought it. Once I 159 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.040 thought of that, I started even buying books to start 160 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.279 learning to practice before I decided where it was going 161 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:10.160 to go. And I started to, Uh, basically, the books 162 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.160 that I had were very much kind of like Golden 163 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:16.160 dorn Athalmic influenced, and uh, that's you know, those are 164 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.800 like a little bit more structured. So that's I think 165 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.000 that's kind of why I was even you know, that 166 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.959 appealed to me. So my first thought was like, oh, 167 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.920 I'll just look for a golden doorn. There wasn't anybody me. 168 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.879 I knew a few freemasons, and they had told me 169 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:36.840 that if I wanted to practice magic, Freemasonry wasn't if 170 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:38.279 I wanted to do it right away, that wasn't the 171 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.039 place to come to. They said, you're gonna have to 172 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:41.799 wait a long time, and hope you even go up, 173 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:43.960 you know, in certain certain degrees to even get to 174 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.919 the I said, all right, screw that. I was like, yes, 175 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.360 I'll look for the OTO, and again, like I thought, 176 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.480 I'll put it this way. I I thought Crowley was 177 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:57.600 a cult genius. But again, I mean that guy who 178 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.320 knows if he was a degenerate. I mean, it's just 179 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:03.159 it's stories about them like that. So I wasn't really 180 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:05.080 because of that, and just wondering what kind of type 181 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:06.840 of people might be brought to the place. I just 182 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:10.320 wasn't too interested. But I was like, that's it's my 183 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.080 only option. When I googled and found out there was 184 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.360 one twenty minutes away, so I was like, I guess 185 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:18.840 that's my only choice. So I found them online. These 186 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.879 places are not hard to find at all. They all 187 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:25.080 have websites. They'll tell you where their lodges are, their temples, oasises, 188 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:29.200 or camps, and they'll somehow some I'll probably have some 189 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.559 sort of social media that will give you a scheduling 190 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:34.120 or let them let you know what's going on. And 191 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:36.720 there was two HOOTI lodgeses out in Queens, New York. 192 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:39.840 I found their site or whatever, and there was a 193 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.159 Gnostic mask coming up in a few weeks. So I 194 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:44.000 emailed them and told them I was interested in coming, 195 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:46.799 and they said, uh, yeah, the day of or what 196 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:48.480 are you know, closer to it because I was asking 197 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:50.720 for one weeks or weeks later. They said, we'll give 198 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.080 you directions and you can come come through. So all right, 199 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:59.360 so I hited them up, got directions, went there, and yeah, 200 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:02.320 I went to the nast masks, and again I said, uh, 201 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.600 everything was kind of normal. I thought everything because I 202 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:07.320 had already watched the Gnostic Mass too on YouTube, so 203 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:08.720 that was another thing. I was like, you know what, 204 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.120 I'll go to something I already knew what I was expecting, 205 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.519 kind of not thinking this is on YouTube, so there's 206 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:18.200 no boobies. So so when they came out, I was like, yo, whoa, whoa, 207 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:20.799 what's going on? I was like this, This wasn't the 208 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:25.240 one I watched this yo, And I shit, you not shits. 209 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:26.559 You know. The first thing to go through my head. 210 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:29.120 I was like, oh my god, I was watch I 211 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:31.559 was like, here we go. I was like, oh, if 212 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:33.840 anything else weird happens, I'm gonna be a bit and 213 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.559 I'm gonna leave. Yeah, like I'm out of here. Yes, sorry, 214 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.399 but it's not. This is what I thought I started 215 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.799 up for. And that was the only like it stopped there, 216 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:46.320 and I guess it was not bad enough to stop 217 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.039 me from coming. And I ended up probably going for 218 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:49.919 about another six years after that and did a couple 219 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.399 of degrees. But I will say the next thing I 220 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.480 went to was a class on candle making or candle magic. 221 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:57.559 It wasn't another Gnostic mass, yet I still had to 222 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.679 get over that initial shock. It sounds crazy, but it is. 223 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.799 I'll even say the whole time I was in the Order, 224 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.200 at one point I even started getting involved in the 225 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:10.039 mass where I was actually like participating in it. I'd 226 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:11.639 be one of the one of the childs that goes 227 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:13.559 around with like the incense or the water and the 228 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:17.159 soul you follow, you follow people. I would do that 229 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.759 because at the point when the priestess takes well for top, 230 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.240 I'm actually facing everybody else. I'm not even looking at her, 231 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.639 like I literally because I was like, this is still weird. 232 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:27.919 Years later, I was like, if I do the child 233 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:29.440 I don't have to look at her. I was like, oh, 234 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.759 will work, and and then I'm doing something in the 235 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.039 order and they'll get off my back, you know, so 236 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.879 it'll work. I worked out fine, so but uh yeah 237 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.200 and then and then yeah, that's how I got involved. 238 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:43.679 Yeah that sounds kind of like me my first time 239 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:47.039 going to like a full on Pentecostal church. You know, 240 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.200 I grew up, you know, Southern Baptist, you know, good 241 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:49.559 old boy. 242 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:51.159 Oh okay, yeah, I've gone to I've gone to the 243 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.519 Baptist church but a lot. Actually. Yeah. 244 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:56.120 And my ex wife she invited me to church when 245 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.559 we were dating, and I was like, well, yeah, sure, 246 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:00.000 you know, I so went to church. 247 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:02.039 Yeah. It was funny. 248 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:02.679 Uh. 249 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.000 I mean, looking back, it's funny at my reaction to 250 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.279 stuff because I was sitting there and all of a sudden, man, 251 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.000 people started running the pews and people some people over 252 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.679 here was talking in tongues. Some people's over here with 253 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.519 flags and doing like a whole you know, high school 254 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:23.600 flag thing, and uh, people just I mean it was 255 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:25.519 very charismatic, you know what I mean. 256 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:26.840 And I'm not used to that. 257 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:32.279 When the Saints go marching in, everybody marches in, sits down, 258 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:36.039 and it's quiet, you know. So uh but it was funny. 259 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:38.279 I remember I was like, oh my gosh, what's going 260 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.080 on here? And I kind of looked over Rebecca and 261 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:41.919 she just looks at me and grins, and she just 262 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:47.000 nods like, yeah, this is normal. Yeah, I had the 263 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.360 culture shocked tone. 264 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:49.879 That's great. 265 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:55.480 So this sounds like it's uh, it's not like freemasonry, 266 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.200 like how they say, uh, it's closed off and to 267 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.320 be one you have to ask one. Uh, like if 268 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.559 somebody was just walking down the street and just happened 269 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.240 to be having a service, so I might could just 270 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:07.799 walk right in and be welcomed dean. 271 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:12.600 Uh the oto Actually, uh, more of their things are 272 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:16.600 probably open to the public than closed. They do. Actually, uh, 273 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.919 the lodge that I went to was also a little 274 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.960 bit more active than probably the average. But uh, they 275 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:25.120 did probably two or three things a week, and for 276 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.159 the most part, they were always open to the public. 277 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.080 Every once in a while if they had a closed 278 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:32.039 If they had a closed thing, that still meant that 279 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.639 like if you were minerval again, you still had to 280 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.559 do an initiation, and that means like you're half in 281 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:40.080 and half out. You really didn't take your first degree yet, 282 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:42.799 but you're allowed to come to the closed meetings. You 283 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.360 could still go to those, but uh, every once in 284 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.480 a while they would if they did certain sometimes and 285 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:50.679 I think it was silly because like there's even people 286 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.919 in the order saying like this, should this really be 287 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.200 a closed meeting? But sometimes like uh, stuff on certain 288 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.399 rituals which really aren't. Like again, if you if you 289 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:01.399 were to like listen to me even read it, you'd 290 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.840 be like really, like you can't. I don't know. You know, 291 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:08.639 sometimes certain things on planetary magic, but uh, a lot 292 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:10.840 of it, believe it or not, is open to the public, 293 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.240 especially if you've got the five dollars. You know that 294 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:15.960 they're asking for a donation. I'm sure they'll let you. 295 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.559 There's a little box in there. You're a little five 296 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.000 or ten dollars in there if you don't mind. 297 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:27.639 Yeah, So, like how long did you go to these 298 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.200 meetings before you finally like pulled trigger, you know, and 299 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.440 you was like, okay, I want to be a member? 300 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:35.440 And what did that look like? 301 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.399 All right? When you first decide, I guess if you 302 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.039 want to become a member, you have to ask the 303 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.360 petition and they actually have to give you paperwork that 304 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:44.720 you were going to fill out, and then you have 305 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.720 to give to two other people there to say, yeah, 306 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.159 I think we should like let's give the guy a chance. 307 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:55.360 It wasn't the first one, even though the fucking priestest 308 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.600 that was there the first time was like, of course 309 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:00.120 approaches me and I'm like, this is just me And 310 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.240 ain't even more uncomfortable. You just had your fucking tits out. 311 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:05.039 Now you're talking to me. I'm like, I'm like, I 312 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:08.600 saw your tits before we even had a conversation. This 313 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:10.919 is just weird. Whatever it's right or wrong, I don't know. 314 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:15.919 It's just weird. And uh. And so like she was 315 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.159 like talking about like joining and like giving you the paperwork, 316 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:19.879 and like I was like, all right, yeah, I took it, 317 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.559 but I was I'm not worried about like asking anybody 318 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.000 right now. And uh, I think it was the next 319 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:26.759 time when I it was either the next time when 320 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.879 I went to the candle class or after that. I 321 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:31.120 was like, you know what, since there's other things here, 322 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.120 because they would even do like history classes on certain people, 323 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:36.600 So I'm saying this place actually did a lot of stuff. 324 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:40.000 I was like, you know what, I could try to 325 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:41.919 check it out, and there was there was a lot 326 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:43.799 of people there that I had noticed were into a 327 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:47.120 lot of different things. Now with the OTO and Thalma's 328 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:52.159 something I might add. You could be like to Norse, Egyptian, Sumerian. 329 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.159 I mean, you could be in just so many different things. 330 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.799 But as long as you kind of identify her uh 331 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.919 Crowley's ideas, I mean, you're you're welcome. I mean, even 332 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.000 if you don't, you can fake the fucking hang out anyway, 333 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:05.720 you know what I'm saying. But it's very open to 334 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.440 give you like your own beliefs. So there was a 335 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:09.879 lot of people there that practice many different things, and 336 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.039 I was like, this might be interesting for me to 337 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:14.399 hang around and just so I know I have people 338 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.159 to talk to and to learn from or to figure out, 339 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.480 like what's this and what's that? So, uh, I asked 340 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.120 for them ENRBAL paperwork. I got it signed by two people, 341 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.679 and even though it only takes about six months, they 342 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.559 say to wait. After that, it took me a fucking 343 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:29.240 year and a half. They made me wait to take 344 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.080 them minerval. Eventually I did. 345 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.679 Yeah, so, uh, now you said a mi nerval and 346 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.759 I was that the one you said that you're kind 347 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.879 of skipping the first step and it just gets you 348 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:42.240 into the closed meetings. 349 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.519 Is that wrong? Yeah, it doesn't it's not making you 350 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:51.039 an actual sibling, brother or sister. It doesn't make you 351 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.600 an actual member. It just like kind of yeah, like 352 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:57.159 that's how they worded your half and half out and uh, 353 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:00.200 you're welcome to closed meetings at that point. 354 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:06.880 So yeah, okay, Now now with that, you said there 355 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.839 was degrees and stuff. You said that once they adopted 356 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.440 Crowley's teachings, it knocked it down to like sixteen. 357 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:18.160 Thirteen, and that's twelve degrees counting minerval. You know what 358 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.160 I'm saying, because it doesn't have a number, but there's yeah, 359 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.599 there's minerval and then twelve of the degrees, so technically thirteen. 360 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:24.720 And if it's like any of the other I mean, 361 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.559 who knows. I'm sure you've probably heard thirty two degrees, 362 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.160 thirty three degrees. Now there's actually one hundred degrees. I 363 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:32.559 don't know how many degrees there are, but there's obviously less. 364 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:37.119 You know, definitely knocked it down. 365 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.599 And like you said, using it for about six years, Uh, ey, 366 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:41.640 get all the way to the end. 367 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:47.599 No, no, no, no, no. Unfortunately, even with degrees, I mean, 368 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:49.759 I guess it's probably fortunately because I might have kept 369 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:54.000 going until like it got really nuts. You have to 370 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.640 actually even wait in between degrees too, Like I was saying, 371 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.079 like you had to wait at least I think six 372 00:17:58.079 --> 00:17:59.920 months for them even dent the teeny from minerval. I 373 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:01.920 think after you took monarvel, you out to wait another 374 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:05.039 year to do the first degree, and I think between 375 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:06.440 the first and second it might have been a year 376 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:08.440 or a year and a half, and then the same thing. 377 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:09.720 Then it's like a year a year and a half 378 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:12.640 after that, and then something important to add. Once you 379 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:17.640 get to the fourth degree, you considered a perfect magician, 380 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.279 perfected magician. After that you have to be like shoulder 381 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:22.759 tapped as they would call it, or they have to 382 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:24.599 ask you if you would like to go any higher. 383 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:28.680 After that, you can't ask anymore, Okay, So I even 384 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:33.640 do think, yeah, and I think at that point there's 385 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.559 gonna be reasons why they pick you anything, you know. 386 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:39.960 I do think that there is certain beliefs. I don't 387 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:41.720 want to say gender because it gets a little you know, 388 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:43.920 it sounds crazy, but I do think there's they have 389 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.720 I think they have a mission, but that way, they 390 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.000 have something that they're trying to accomplish. If even if 391 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.640 it's just like weird science shit. I think it's a 392 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.880 little worse, but I do think that they have an 393 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:02.240 underlying mission that they're trying toccomplished, especially when you saw 394 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:04.599 looking at the higher up degrees, sounds like a lot 395 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:08.079 of like, in my opinion, like moonschild type stuff like 396 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.720 homo oculus playing with people's you know, the homo oculus 397 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.440 mm hmm. And you know again that to interrupt you 398 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:16.400 like real quick. But again, if you're the perfected magician 399 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:21.519 at four, you're a magician already. What's after that? This 400 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:24.640 is all add ons and what you're into and where 401 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:26.279