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Speaker 1: Y'all.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, this is a man that had me on
Speaker 3: his show a couple of times. We've had some really
Speaker 3: great conversations, and he's been in the deep end of
Speaker 3: the pool of a certain pool that I've not really
Speaker 3: had much time in. So I got my life jacket,
Speaker 3: I'm suited up sign, I'm ready to go, and I'm
Speaker 3: excited to talk to this guy. But I'd like to
Speaker 3: welcome to the show for the first time, hopefully the
Speaker 3: first of many times, Nick from the Occult Rejects. Man, Nick,
Speaker 3: thanks for coming hanging out with us today.
Speaker 1: Brother, of course, no, thank you. I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: having me on, man, And like you said, the times
Speaker 1: that we've had you on have been great chats, awesome,
Speaker 1: awesome discussions, so I'm sure this will be a good one.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bud. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, Well, just for those that's not familiar with your
Speaker 2: show or your channel or what you do, just give
Speaker 2: us a little introduction, listen, a little bit about yourself
Speaker 2: and background and your show and where they can find it,
Speaker 2: and just give us a little background.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Yeah, thank you. It's the Occult Rejects. It's been on.
Speaker 1: It's been around for about a little bit over four
Speaker 1: years now, the last year and a half, it's probably
Speaker 1: come become like a conglomerate of like a bunch of
Speaker 1: other shows. Originally it was just two people, so if
Speaker 1: you listen to the old episodes, you definitely see a difference.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, now in pretty much the
Speaker 1: same thing that the channel always did, cover the occult
Speaker 1: and true crime and some paranormal, but we definitely focus
Speaker 1: a lot more on the occult, obviously because it's the
Speaker 1: Occult Rejects, and mainly due to myself. Originally when the
Speaker 1: show started, I was an ex member of the Auto
Speaker 1: Temple Orientus and I was with somebody who was at
Speaker 1: X Golden Dawn. So again, you know, cult rejects. We
Speaker 1: both have experience in secret societies. I myself is you
Speaker 1: know again, is the only X that I know of
Speaker 1: ex secret society member in the Cult Rejects now, but
Speaker 1: again I do have that, I guess as a part
Speaker 1: of my resume. I was in the OTO, did a
Speaker 1: couple of degrees and left, so but yeah, that's basically
Speaker 1: what the O cult rejexes. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one thing I really enjoyed about your show
Speaker 3: is because you you do. You always have a star
Speaker 3: studded panel man with a lot of interesting, well educated
Speaker 3: people trying with different diverse backgrounds. So you whatever subject
Speaker 3: you're tackling, you're you're getting it for multiple angles and
Speaker 3: multiple multiple perspectives.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And the lucky the great thing is too
Speaker 1: is that everybody, even though they may not even look
Speaker 1: at it the same way, they all get along, which
Speaker 1: is amazing, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: actually like just very like you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about like hearing people argue or disagree on the topic.
Speaker 1: It goes really well, that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can always respectfully disagree, yes exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't need to start throwing chants like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well man, if you don't care, because like you know,
Speaker 3: we've had some private conversations and I've heard just little
Speaker 3: lot of details. Uh but far as like the ot
Speaker 3: O in the Occult and things like that, I am
Speaker 3: completely ignorant, and I'm sure there's many people I will
Speaker 3: still showed that or in the same boat you know,
Speaker 3: so it's like, if you don't care, just you know,
Speaker 3: explain a little bit to us, you know, what is
Speaker 3: the ot ouh and just kind of how you got
Speaker 3: involved in that, and just kind of dip our toes
Speaker 3: in man.
Speaker 1: Sure, what is the OTO? I mean on paper it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be a secret society. What it really is?
Speaker 1: I do sometimes questions if it's even like a CIA,
Speaker 1: be totally honest with you, but I mean that's a
Speaker 1: whole other other story. But uh, yeah, the Ordo Templary
Speaker 1: orient this was a it's a free uh it's a
Speaker 1: secret society that originally was a free Masonic order by
Speaker 1: Theodore Russ and like one or two other dudes. Eventually
Speaker 1: they came across Crowley's Book of the Law and said,
Speaker 1: oh wow, you're putting our secrets out there. This is
Speaker 1: the story, you know, And then they somehow get in
Speaker 1: touch with him and they end up like handing over
Speaker 1: the order to him, and he puts his Book of
Speaker 1: the Law kind of like as their you know, I
Speaker 1: guess religious text and changes the degrees, knocks them down
Speaker 1: to like thirteen. There was like thirty something like Mason's
Speaker 1: and you know, basically it kind of like it turned
Speaker 1: it over to like a thlemic magic type thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: originally it was it was a Masonic order.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Crowley took it over and again based on like Thelema.
Speaker 1: They have the Nastic Mass, that was something that I
Speaker 1: used to go to a lot. They have that. It's
Speaker 1: like their version of church that's part of the the EGC,
Speaker 1: the Ecclesistic Gnostic Church, something like the Ecclesiastic and the
Speaker 1: Catholica sometimes some shit like that. But uh, which is
Speaker 1: interesting because if you think about it already telling you
Speaker 1: that there is a part of Catholicism inside the OTO,
Speaker 1: which is interesting, you know. And the Gnostic Mass is
Speaker 1: even based off in the Russian Orthodox uh Church, so
Speaker 1: I mean some of their rituals. So but uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a secret society started by hand. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people. You hear Alison Crowley, You're automatically
Speaker 1: going to say, oh, sex magic if maybe Fortunately I
Speaker 1: probably because of the people there, I never had to
Speaker 1: really be exposed to any of that. That's that part
Speaker 1: of my story. And I don't know if I really
Speaker 1: wanted to have sex with anybody in that order anyway,
Speaker 1: but uh, just unfortunately but I will say when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Gnostic Mass my experience, that gives some
Speaker 1: people some juicy stuff to talk about. I know, they
Speaker 1: always love this stuff. Uh you will see titties, you know,
Speaker 1: boobies will come out. So that was uh the first
Speaker 1: time I went, and even the reason I got into it.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe I should back up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was highly into conspiracy theories when I got into
Speaker 1: you know, already around two thousand and ten. I started
Speaker 1: getting heavy into that stuff, and I was huge into
Speaker 1: like David I, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tassarian, who was the
Speaker 1: other guy, Mark Passio obviously, all people who touch on
Speaker 1: the occult a lot, you know, and symbolism. So I
Speaker 1: think maybe just due to that and that stuff kind
Speaker 1: of quote my attention, I went straight into like kind
Speaker 1: of looking into that stuff as well. When it came
Speaker 1: to conspiracy theories, you know, orders, what kind of magic
Speaker 1: this and that, it was very intrigued by it. And
Speaker 1: this is just for me. At one point, when you know,
Speaker 1: I'm listening to this stuff for years now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I really still don't know what the hell magic is,
Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm like chasing all these orders like
Speaker 1: this one came from there, this one came from here,
Speaker 1: this person was running it, this person was running that.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I still don't understand anything, like what
Speaker 1: are they actually doing? And I was like, maybe I
Speaker 1: can just like join one of these things and I'll
Speaker 1: just find out for myself what the hell's magic. And
Speaker 1: even at this point, once I thought it. Once I
Speaker 1: thought of that, I started even buying books to start
Speaker 1: learning to practice before I decided where it was going
Speaker 1: to go. And I started to, Uh, basically, the books
Speaker 1: that I had were very much kind of like Golden
Speaker 1: dorn Athalmic influenced, and uh, that's you know, those are
Speaker 1: like a little bit more structured. So that's I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of why I was even you know, that
Speaker 1: appealed to me. So my first thought was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll just look for a golden doorn. There wasn't anybody me.
Speaker 1: I knew a few freemasons, and they had told me
Speaker 1: that if I wanted to practice magic, Freemasonry wasn't if
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it right away, that wasn't the
Speaker 1: place to come to. They said, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: wait a long time, and hope you even go up,
Speaker 1: you know, in certain certain degrees to even get to
Speaker 1: the I said, all right, screw that. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll look for the OTO, and again, like I thought,
Speaker 1: I'll put it this way. I I thought Crowley was
Speaker 1: a cult genius. But again, I mean that guy who
Speaker 1: knows if he was a degenerate. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: it's stories about them like that. So I wasn't really
Speaker 1: because of that, and just wondering what kind of type
Speaker 1: of people might be brought to the place. I just
Speaker 1: wasn't too interested. But I was like, that's it's my
Speaker 1: only option. When I googled and found out there was
Speaker 1: one twenty minutes away, so I was like, I guess
Speaker 1: that's my only choice. So I found them online. These
Speaker 1: places are not hard to find at all. They all
Speaker 1: have websites. They'll tell you where their lodges are, their temples, oasises,
Speaker 1: or camps, and they'll somehow some I'll probably have some
Speaker 1: sort of social media that will give you a scheduling
Speaker 1: or let them let you know what's going on. And
Speaker 1: there was two HOOTI lodgeses out in Queens, New York.
Speaker 1: I found their site or whatever, and there was a
Speaker 1: Gnostic mask coming up in a few weeks. So I
Speaker 1: emailed them and told them I was interested in coming,
Speaker 1: and they said, uh, yeah, the day of or what
Speaker 1: are you know, closer to it because I was asking
Speaker 1: for one weeks or weeks later. They said, we'll give
Speaker 1: you directions and you can come come through. So all right,
Speaker 1: so I hited them up, got directions, went there, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to the nast masks, and again I said, uh,
Speaker 1: everything was kind of normal. I thought everything because I
Speaker 1: had already watched the Gnostic Mass too on YouTube, so
Speaker 1: that was another thing. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll go to something I already knew what I was expecting,
Speaker 1: kind of not thinking this is on YouTube, so there's
Speaker 1: no boobies. So so when they came out, I was like, yo, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I was like this, This wasn't the
Speaker 1: one I watched this yo, And I shit, you not shits.
Speaker 1: You know. The first thing to go through my head.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I was watch I
Speaker 1: was like, here we go. I was like, oh, if
Speaker 1: anything else weird happens, I'm gonna be a bit and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave. Yeah, like I'm out of here. Yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: but it's not. This is what I thought I started
Speaker 1: up for. And that was the only like it stopped there,
Speaker 1: and I guess it was not bad enough to stop
Speaker 1: me from coming. And I ended up probably going for
Speaker 1: about another six years after that and did a couple
Speaker 1: of degrees. But I will say the next thing I
Speaker 1: went to was a class on candle making or candle magic.
Speaker 1: It wasn't another Gnostic mass, yet I still had to
Speaker 1: get over that initial shock. It sounds crazy, but it is.
Speaker 1: I'll even say the whole time I was in the Order,
Speaker 1: at one point I even started getting involved in the
Speaker 1: mass where I was actually like participating in it. I'd
Speaker 1: be one of the one of the childs that goes
Speaker 1: around with like the incense or the water and the
Speaker 1: soul you follow, you follow people. I would do that
Speaker 1: because at the point when the priestess takes well for top,
Speaker 1: I'm actually facing everybody else. I'm not even looking at her,
Speaker 1: like I literally because I was like, this is still weird.
Speaker 1: Years later, I was like, if I do the child
Speaker 1: I don't have to look at her. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: will work, and and then I'm doing something in the
Speaker 1: order and they'll get off my back, you know, so
Speaker 1: it'll work. I worked out fine, so but uh yeah
Speaker 1: and then and then yeah, that's how I got involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds kind of like me my first time
Speaker 3: going to like a full on Pentecostal church. You know,
Speaker 3: I grew up, you know, Southern Baptist, you know, good
Speaker 3: old boy.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, I've gone to I've gone to the
Speaker 1: Baptist church but a lot. Actually. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And my ex wife she invited me to church when
Speaker 3: we were dating, and I was like, well, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: you know, I so went to church.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was funny.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I mean, looking back, it's funny at my reaction to
Speaker 3: stuff because I was sitting there and all of a sudden, man,
Speaker 3: people started running the pews and people some people over
Speaker 3: here was talking in tongues. Some people's over here with
Speaker 3: flags and doing like a whole you know, high school
Speaker 3: flag thing, and uh, people just I mean it was
Speaker 3: very charismatic, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I'm not used to that.
Speaker 3: When the Saints go marching in, everybody marches in, sits down,
Speaker 3: and it's quiet, you know. So uh but it was funny.
Speaker 3: I remember I was like, oh my gosh, what's going
Speaker 3: on here? And I kind of looked over Rebecca and
Speaker 3: she just looks at me and grins, and she just
Speaker 3: nods like, yeah, this is normal. Yeah, I had the
Speaker 3: culture shocked tone.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 3: So this sounds like it's uh, it's not like freemasonry,
Speaker 3: like how they say, uh, it's closed off and to
Speaker 3: be one you have to ask one. Uh, like if
Speaker 3: somebody was just walking down the street and just happened
Speaker 3: to be having a service, so I might could just
Speaker 3: walk right in and be welcomed dean.
Speaker 1: Uh the oto Actually, uh, more of their things are
Speaker 1: probably open to the public than closed. They do. Actually, uh,
Speaker 1: the lodge that I went to was also a little
Speaker 1: bit more active than probably the average. But uh, they
Speaker 1: did probably two or three things a week, and for
Speaker 1: the most part, they were always open to the public.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while if they had a closed
Speaker 1: If they had a closed thing, that still meant that
Speaker 1: like if you were minerval again, you still had to
Speaker 1: do an initiation, and that means like you're half in
Speaker 1: and half out. You really didn't take your first degree yet,
Speaker 1: but you're allowed to come to the closed meetings. You
Speaker 1: could still go to those, but uh, every once in
Speaker 1: a while they would if they did certain sometimes and
Speaker 1: I think it was silly because like there's even people
Speaker 1: in the order saying like this, should this really be
Speaker 1: a closed meeting? But sometimes like uh, stuff on certain
Speaker 1: rituals which really aren't. Like again, if you if you
Speaker 1: were to like listen to me even read it, you'd
Speaker 1: be like really, like you can't. I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes certain things on planetary magic, but uh, a lot
Speaker 1: of it, believe it or not, is open to the public,
Speaker 1: especially if you've got the five dollars. You know that
Speaker 1: they're asking for a donation. I'm sure they'll let you.
Speaker 1: There's a little box in there. You're a little five
Speaker 1: or ten dollars in there if you don't mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like how long did you go to these
Speaker 3: meetings before you finally like pulled trigger, you know, and
Speaker 3: you was like, okay, I want to be a member?
Speaker 2: And what did that look like?
Speaker 1: All right? When you first decide, I guess if you
Speaker 1: want to become a member, you have to ask the
Speaker 1: petition and they actually have to give you paperwork that
Speaker 1: you were going to fill out, and then you have
Speaker 1: to give to two other people there to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we should like let's give the guy a chance.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the first one, even though the fucking priestest
Speaker 1: that was there the first time was like, of course
Speaker 1: approaches me and I'm like, this is just me And
Speaker 1: ain't even more uncomfortable. You just had your fucking tits out.
Speaker 1: Now you're talking to me. I'm like, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: saw your tits before we even had a conversation. This
Speaker 1: is just weird. Whatever it's right or wrong, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just weird. And uh. And so like she was
Speaker 1: like talking about like joining and like giving you the paperwork,
Speaker 1: and like I was like, all right, yeah, I took it,
Speaker 1: but I was I'm not worried about like asking anybody
Speaker 1: right now. And uh, I think it was the next
Speaker 1: time when I it was either the next time when
Speaker 1: I went to the candle class or after that. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, since there's other things here,
Speaker 1: because they would even do like history classes on certain people,
Speaker 1: So I'm saying this place actually did a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I could try to
Speaker 1: check it out, and there was there was a lot
Speaker 1: of people there that I had noticed were into a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. Now with the OTO and Thalma's
Speaker 1: something I might add. You could be like to Norse, Egyptian, Sumerian.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could be in just so many different things.
Speaker 1: But as long as you kind of identify her uh
Speaker 1: Crowley's ideas, I mean, you're you're welcome. I mean, even
Speaker 1: if you don't, you can fake the fucking hang out anyway,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But it's very open to
Speaker 1: give you like your own beliefs. So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of people there that practice many different things, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this might be interesting for me to
Speaker 1: hang around and just so I know I have people
Speaker 1: to talk to and to learn from or to figure out,
Speaker 1: like what's this and what's that? So, uh, I asked
Speaker 1: for them ENRBAL paperwork. I got it signed by two people,
Speaker 1: and even though it only takes about six months, they
Speaker 1: say to wait. After that, it took me a fucking
Speaker 1: year and a half. They made me wait to take
Speaker 1: them minerval. Eventually I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, uh, now you said a mi nerval and
Speaker 3: I was that the one you said that you're kind
Speaker 3: of skipping the first step and it just gets you
Speaker 3: into the closed meetings.
Speaker 1: Is that wrong? Yeah, it doesn't it's not making you
Speaker 1: an actual sibling, brother or sister. It doesn't make you
Speaker 1: an actual member. It just like kind of yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's how they worded your half and half out and uh,
Speaker 1: you're welcome to closed meetings at that point.
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, Now now with that, you said there
Speaker 3: was degrees and stuff. You said that once they adopted
Speaker 3: Crowley's teachings, it knocked it down to like sixteen.
Speaker 1: Thirteen, and that's twelve degrees counting minerval. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because it doesn't have a number, but there's yeah,
Speaker 1: there's minerval and then twelve of the degrees, so technically thirteen.
Speaker 1: And if it's like any of the other I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows. I'm sure you've probably heard thirty two degrees,
Speaker 1: thirty three degrees. Now there's actually one hundred degrees. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many degrees there are, but there's obviously less.
Speaker 1: You know, definitely knocked it down.
Speaker 2: And like you said, using it for about six years, Uh, ey,
Speaker 2: get all the way to the end.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. Unfortunately, even with degrees, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it's probably fortunately because I might have kept
Speaker 1: going until like it got really nuts. You have to
Speaker 1: actually even wait in between degrees too, Like I was saying,
Speaker 1: like you had to wait at least I think six
Speaker 1: months for them even dent the teeny from minerval. I
Speaker 1: think after you took monarvel, you out to wait another
Speaker 1: year to do the first degree, and I think between
Speaker 1: the first and second it might have been a year
Speaker 1: or a year and a half, and then the same thing.
Speaker 1: Then it's like a year a year and a half
Speaker 1: after that, and then something important to add. Once you
Speaker 1: get to the fourth degree, you considered a perfect magician,
Speaker 1: perfected magician. After that you have to be like shoulder
Speaker 1: tapped as they would call it, or they have to
Speaker 1: ask you if you would like to go any higher.
Speaker 1: After that, you can't ask anymore, Okay, So I even
Speaker 1: do think, yeah, and I think at that point there's
Speaker 1: gonna be reasons why they pick you anything, you know.
Speaker 1: I do think that there is certain beliefs. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say gender because it gets a little you know,
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy, but I do think there's they have
Speaker 1: I think they have a mission, but that way, they
Speaker 1: have something that they're trying to accomplish. If even if
Speaker 1: it's just like weird science shit. I think it's a
Speaker 1: little worse, but I do think that they have an
Speaker 1: underlying mission that they're trying toccomplished, especially when you saw
Speaker 1: looking at the higher up degrees, sounds like a lot
Speaker 1: of like, in my opinion, like moonschild type stuff like
Speaker 1: homo oculus playing with people's you know, the homo oculus
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And you know again that to interrupt you
Speaker 1: like real quick. But again, if you're the perfected magician
Speaker 1: at four, you're a magician already. What's after that? This
Speaker 1: is all add ons and what you're into and where
Speaker 1: you're going, what you're played working with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that was something that I recently, I
Speaker 3: think it was at a time of this recording, about
Speaker 3: two weeks ago, I had spoke with one.
Speaker 1: From the Oh yeah one, Yeah, loved one.
Speaker 2: You know he's he's mister Moulous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it for that, Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I got a crash course on the monculus from him,
Speaker 3: and oh that's really good alchemy.
Speaker 1: That's really good because I actually I had him on
Speaker 1: a minute ago for the homo oculous and I appreciate
Speaker 1: one because he does look at it a multiple different
Speaker 1: wa is you know it's not? Yeah, so good.
Speaker 2: Well you said you went in to learn magic, did
Speaker 2: you did you get what you're asking for?
Speaker 1: I got what I was asking for, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: what I thought it was. Put it down.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll elaborate on that. What was your expectations
Speaker 2: and what was the reality?
Speaker 1: Thing? I mean, I will even say and this even
Speaker 1: still today, and this is just for me. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying anybody else. Maybe you'll agree or identify with it,
Speaker 1: but uh, even for me, like if I'm doing, if
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work on spirituality or working towards something,
Speaker 1: my belief system is probably gonna change over time just
Speaker 1: doing to me, like learning things. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be drastic. I'm just saying I might start, you know,
Speaker 1: incorporating different ideas. So like even my idea of magic
Speaker 1: or what I was doing was changing over time. Originally
Speaker 1: when I joined it was more or less like I
Speaker 1: want to try to That sounds cheesy, but whatever, but
Speaker 1: I try to stay out of the matrix and out
Speaker 1: of like the other people's manipulation and just try to
Speaker 1: like you know, remove my own way and just have
Speaker 1: an easier life. And then I did think that like
Speaker 1: there was something there to maybe like help, uh I
Speaker 1: just you know, help get things or to help empower
Speaker 1: yourself at least and then eventually at some point I
Speaker 1: think more when I believed that when I started getting
Speaker 1: into the Kabbala, I got more into a lot more
Speaker 1: of like theorgy or actually God and thinking that it
Speaker 1: was much more of an inner thing to work on
Speaker 1: to to change myself, to change the world around me.
Speaker 1: So like it was a lot more believing, not more
Speaker 1: maybe like syco analytic, you know, why do why I
Speaker 1: have these habits, you know, praying to God, you know,
Speaker 1: asking this and that. So like I had at one
Speaker 1: point near the end before I started having magical experiences,
Speaker 1: I did think it was just like very more mental
Speaker 1: and just trying to have like a very powerful connection
Speaker 1: with God and living a better life and more balanced
Speaker 1: which then would bring you, you know, I guess, more
Speaker 1: fruitful things in your life. So I wasn't necessarily aiming
Speaker 1: at that. I was really more just focusing on myself.
Speaker 1: I was big into meditations, a lot of meditations. I
Speaker 1: meditated a lot. I did a lot of breath work
Speaker 1: throughout all these years, a lot of visualizations when I meditate,
Speaker 1: I would meditate certain you know, uh shapes with different colors,
Speaker 1: all things that have suggested as a magician to do.
Speaker 1: And I think these these small basic things, I think
Speaker 1: actually are really the most important, which is why I'm
Speaker 1: just mentioning a few of them. Again, I was very
Speaker 1: much into rituals. I did the I learned the Lesser
Speaker 1: banishing ritual of the Pentagram. I've done, the Greater hex
Speaker 1: the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram, the Lesser Ritual of
Speaker 1: the hex Hexagram, the Greater Ritual of the Hexagram, the
Speaker 1: star Ruby, labor rush. You know a lot of those
Speaker 1: things are in the Golden Dorn or like oto. I
Speaker 1: did a lot of that. But right before, my opinion,
Speaker 1: whenever I started having these magical experiences that I'll get into,
Speaker 1: these all happened just from meditating. Actually, I didn't do
Speaker 1: any rituals and I and I wasn't even smoking weed then.
Speaker 1: I didn't start smoking weed again until COVID happened because
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, if I gotta go and deal
Speaker 1: with these crazy motherfuckers, I gotta get stolen, Like I
Speaker 1: can't walk into the supermarket with like it's like dripping
Speaker 1: with anxiety. I gotta get blown out and just not
Speaker 1: paying attention. You know, I'm just like, I'm watching a
Speaker 1: guy walk down the aisle with a Master of a
Speaker 1: Puppet shirt on and a face mask on. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? Like? Yeah, even when
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I went up to the kid,
Speaker 1: I said, you realize what you're wearing? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny seeing people take like underwear.
Speaker 3: They would take underwear and got it and put the
Speaker 3: crotch over their mouth, you know. And I I even
Speaker 3: had friends talking about it, like it's a cotton mask.
Speaker 2: You're basically wearing paintings on your face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're on the heckage, hold the stink of
Speaker 3: a fart inside?
Speaker 2: How is it going to keep the world's most dangerous virus.
Speaker 1: Out all the stink of a fought it'side You're right shit,
Speaker 1: But back to it. But the reason I even mentioned
Speaker 1: the weed and the ritual again, I'm not no type
Speaker 1: of another person. Obviously I'm smoking weed now, But just
Speaker 1: from my experience, I didn't need to do rituals and
Speaker 1: I didn't have to use drugs. Something just happened. One
Speaker 1: day I was meditating. I had had a weird experience
Speaker 1: prior that I did do a ritual in but it
Speaker 1: was not as intense and it was more of just like, uh,
Speaker 1: I was like sitting there meditating in the middle of
Speaker 1: the ritual, and it just it's like some reason I
Speaker 1: had like this flash of this image before me of
Speaker 1: me like inside, I thought it was a pyramid, and
Speaker 1: it just seemed like to go on for a few
Speaker 1: seconds and then left. But it weirded me out, We'll
Speaker 1: be honest, So weirded me out enough to where that's
Speaker 1: why I didn't wasn't doing a ritual the next time.
Speaker 1: I smessed around because I was like, maybe I should
Speaker 1: chill out because I don't know what the fuck that was.
Speaker 1: But it was extremely realistic in my view, Like it
Speaker 1: was just like if I had my eyes closed and
Speaker 1: somebody turned the h D TV on inside my head.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, whoa, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and I was just like, again, this
Speaker 1: isn't what I was looking for. I didn't or I
Speaker 1: didn't know that that was gonna happen. So I was like,
Speaker 1: let me pump the brakes. You know, maybe something weird
Speaker 1: is going on, or I don't maybe I'm doing something
Speaker 1: weird to myself. And I was like, I'll just go
Speaker 1: back to the basics again. I'll just go to meditations.
Speaker 1: I'll play around with my chakras, you know, do some visualizations,
Speaker 1: you know, take it easy. Uh. And I think it
Speaker 1: was a couple of days later, maybe a week later,
Speaker 1: because like I said, it did weird me out. Actually,
Speaker 1: I went to go do some meditations and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in my chair and I have like different things that
Speaker 1: I would used to do. Sometimes it just visualize energy
Speaker 1: going you know, throw me into the ground or going
Speaker 1: back up up to the sky. Do stuff like that,
Speaker 1: move move stuff around, and then start focusing on chakras.
Speaker 1: And if anybody's big into chakras, like really big into it,
Speaker 1: some people say, and I will say it for myself.
Speaker 1: You can feel them like a little spinning Tasmanian doubles.
Speaker 1: And I would feel the one that's on my third eye,
Speaker 1: and I was you always hear about your third eyes.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm gonna push on it. That
Speaker 1: may sound crazy when you mean to push on it,
Speaker 1: but like I with the third eye, when you feel it,
Speaker 1: I feel like you can actually like focus on it
Speaker 1: and push on it. I had my eyes closed, and
Speaker 1: I was already meditating, probably for a minute now, so
Speaker 1: at this point, and I don't know if you meditate
Speaker 1: or people listening to meditate, you may understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like when you first close your eyes and so I meditating,
Speaker 1: if you get into a meditation ten to fifteen minutes later,
Speaker 1: the darkness is way darker than it was when you
Speaker 1: first closed your eyes. That may sound like weird, but
Speaker 1: it to me it is. So it was already dark,
Speaker 1: you know. I was already like kind of like everything
Speaker 1: around me. It was like I wasn't paying much mind
Speaker 1: to it. It was really with my eyes closed and
Speaker 1: pressing on my Pineo gliane because I could feel it.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, like it looks like
Speaker 1: like I guess, oil like coming up out of black pavement.
Speaker 1: Like it literally looked like the black was now oozing
Speaker 1: out even darker black, and around it almost looked like
Speaker 1: these fine lines of almost like ultra violet coloring like
Speaker 1: on my thermal cam or or I guess rainbow. But
Speaker 1: it was like these fine burning fluorescent like kind of
Speaker 1: different colors coming around it, and then like just all
Speaker 1: turns completely black, and I'm like, oh, I just getting weird.
Speaker 1: So I'm like I'm still holding it now, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I see this pin dot show up,
Speaker 1: like this little burning It looks like a old burning star.
Speaker 1: I've actually wondered if that's what the whole blazing star
Speaker 1: with all the cur is about, this one burning bright
Speaker 1: dot and it looks like it looks like and it
Speaker 1: actually feels like it's gonna be crazy. You have your
Speaker 1: eyes closed, but you swear, I swear you could feel
Speaker 1: like there was an actual distance, even though it's you're
Speaker 1: only in your head, Like it looks like it is
Speaker 1: like the actual distance and stuff in between. As crazy
Speaker 1: as that sounds, it almost looks like the darkness actually
Speaker 1: is dark matter around this burning thing, and it's it's
Speaker 1: like piercing. And then like I was like holding onto it,
Speaker 1: and then it's like if I kind of like let
Speaker 1: go of, like pushing a little bit, I noticed it
Speaker 1: would almost start to move or go away, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh wait, I almost realize I got to
Speaker 1: kind of like focus on it and push on my panial.
Speaker 1: Then at the same time, and at this point, I'm
Speaker 1: realizing and I have to do it every time you
Speaker 1: almost kind of go cross side where you're actually like
Speaker 1: pushing your eyes up towards your pineal gland and like
Speaker 1: focusing on this dot with my eyes closed, and it's
Speaker 1: like it it's like top gun. It locks into it
Speaker 1: and it just fucking holds it there like some heat
Speaker 1: seeking missile. And it starts to turn into this white
Speaker 1: dot and it starts coming closer and then eventually turns
Speaker 1: into an eclipse. This white dot looks like all this
Speaker 1: black stuff starts to swirl around into the middle and
Speaker 1: becomes like a black circle within a white one, and
Speaker 1: it looks like an eclipse. And then uh, after that,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it sucks. I'm pushing on it
Speaker 1: and I'm holding it. I'm like, oh, this is wild,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like crazy, thing is it's like to me,
Speaker 1: I'm just like I guess I'm like getting like some
Speaker 1: like free I'm thinking I'm actually I'm in my mind.
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking my brain is making all this up.
Speaker 1: So like I'm thinking like I'm just getting like a
Speaker 1: free show out of this. Like I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I actually wasn't thinking too deep with this, which could
Speaker 1: be another reason why I didn't freak me out at first,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't like, ah, this is, you know, no
Speaker 1: big deal. Because I have heard some people who actually
Speaker 1: get if they're telling the truth kind of had somewhere
Speaker 1: at the same experience as me. They get a little
Speaker 1: freaked out near the end. I don't know, but uh
Speaker 1: so for me, like I see this this eclipse, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it looks like explosions like
Speaker 1: around it, almost like and then they start to like
Speaker 1: turn wore red, and then they start looking like roses
Speaker 1: almost blooming, which is which is why I have that
Speaker 1: on my logo, the eclips with the roses around it,
Speaker 1: to take the image that I've seen. So now it
Speaker 1: starts to look like roses blooming, which is another thing.
Speaker 1: Real quick, you have to get off the topic. Alison Crowley,
Speaker 1: he had a girl named Rose. He has a book
Speaker 1: called The Vision and the Voice. The Vision in the Voice.
Speaker 1: The notes for that book before he published it is
Speaker 1: in a library in Texas. Lisa has from the Ecoregions
Speaker 1: has gone down there and actually looked at these handwritten
Speaker 1: notes and taking pictures of them. There's without a doubt
Speaker 1: there is proof in that book that that guy uses
Speaker 1: rose not for that girl's name. It shows you the
Speaker 1: jamatri and it shows you him even figuring out way
Speaker 1: to put it inside the sentence to add to other stuff.
Speaker 1: So I do wonder if the rose has anything to
Speaker 1: do with that, or even why the rosa Cruscians focus
Speaker 1: on this rose that you see. So you see this
Speaker 1: bigger clips and you see all these roses look like
Speaker 1: the first thing around it, and then those go away,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, like all this spiraling starts
Speaker 1: coming out of the four cardinal directions. And when it
Speaker 1: first starts, I will say it starts to it looks
Speaker 1: like a spinning swastick at first, and then it looks
Speaker 1: like all the lines spinning out start verberating, and it
Speaker 1: almost looks like a camera lens kind of you know
Speaker 1: how it has like the spiral those things so also
Speaker 1: look like that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: very well. Put Yeah, that might be a better way
Speaker 1: for me to explain the next time, especially with the abyss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like the reviberating water. Wow, that's wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So then I have that, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it will start going into like these geomat it
Speaker 1: looks like sacred geometry shapes. To me, it's just like
Speaker 1: all these different types of like things like spinning and
Speaker 1: flashing and like almost coming towards you, Like it's like
Speaker 1: a fucking video game or something. And then after that
Speaker 1: is this is where I have my logo. I had
Speaker 1: Mario designed the logo that we have for the Occult
Speaker 1: Rejects based on Mario from Symbolic Studies. Based on this vision. Uh,
Speaker 1: everything goes away from the eclipse. It's us to get
Speaker 1: a little bit closer, and then it starts to look
Speaker 1: like and I had him design it as like movie
Speaker 1: the movie movie cells, like from a movie reel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what it looks like to me that or if
Speaker 1: I was standing in like a subway or a train
Speaker 1: station and I had two trains passing me at the
Speaker 1: same time, or if there was movie reels coming but
Speaker 1: it's going slow and all you see is like either
Speaker 1: the car windows or the movie cells going past you
Speaker 1: real slow. It's like and it's all different visions, none
Speaker 1: of them the same. I'll be honest with you. I've
Speaker 1: I've looked into one and never I have this feeling
Speaker 1: I think you can go into it. And I know this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound crazy and sci fi and fantastical if
Speaker 1: you can. I wasn't gangster enough to do it, so
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sound cool by making this up.
Speaker 1: I do think that's possible, but like it to me,
Speaker 1: it's different scenes and some look like it's possibly the
Speaker 1: future the past. Now I don't know, but that when
Speaker 1: I did ever really pay attention to them, I did
Speaker 1: notice that. But and again like steel pictures, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing's moving, Yeah, nothing's moving. It almost looks like it
Speaker 1: looks like it and they're all in Sepia, all in
Speaker 1: Sepia color. That's another thing too. Whenever once I get
Speaker 1: to this, uh, that's like it's like if you ever
Speaker 1: see something where it looks like it has like they
Speaker 1: throw like a brown Tinge effect on it. Oh, just
Speaker 1: like your logo. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay. I was actually
Speaker 1: gonna say I use a lot on some of my
Speaker 1: thumbnails because of that reason.
Speaker 2: So age yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: When they did the Olympics, when they showed the uh
Speaker 1: the the air balloon over by the dock, it turned
Speaker 1: into Sepia and I was like, ah, that's right, because
Speaker 1: it's now. Uh but uh they yeah, they all have
Speaker 1: like a Sepia looks like sepia windows almost like it's
Speaker 1: like cellophane too. It's it's very I'm that again. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to like claim that I'm understanding what people
Speaker 1: are saying, but I have questioned if this is John
Speaker 1: Lennon's cellophane skies you talk about loosening this guy with diamonds,
Speaker 1: because it looks like the cellophane windows with all these
Speaker 1: different visions in them. And one time I was interested
Speaker 1: in it. And you know, again my view like I'm
Speaker 1: not there physically, I'm just it's like I'm watching something
Speaker 1: or I'm just witnessing something. And this one time I
Speaker 1: was somewhat interested in one of the things. Normally, it's
Speaker 1: like I see them go and I just really don't
Speaker 1: pay much mind. I'm so stuck on those clips. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Then normally I'm just like, whatever, what's happening next? You know?
Speaker 1: And uh so one of them, like I felt like
Speaker 1: I was interested in it, and like literally my view
Speaker 1: even changed where it's like I turned sideways and hovered
Speaker 1: towards it and I was looking in the window and
Speaker 1: I joke about it every time I say it. But
Speaker 1: like I'm being serious, it's like, you know, is that
Speaker 1: Arizona or like post you know, uh nuclear war? You know,
Speaker 1: just looks like desolation. And I'm thinking in my head,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this looks like a cool place
Speaker 1: to go to. And as soon as and this is
Speaker 1: another thing, as soon as I start thinking itself, I
Speaker 1: come right out of it. So as soon as I
Speaker 1: started thinking I don't think I want to go there,
Speaker 1: I woke up. Every time I get now when I
Speaker 1: go fall.
Speaker 2: Get them self conscious and aware, and.
Speaker 1: It separates me from the situation. Yes, so if I normally,
Speaker 1: these things will keep going and then eventually they'll fade away.
Speaker 1: And then that white that black sphere that's in front
Speaker 1: of the white one, starts to rise up just a
Speaker 1: little bit, and then it starts to look like, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, looks like the headdress on top of Tolt's head,
Speaker 1: and we'll love of that. It looks like this big
Speaker 1: smiley face, like the cheshire Cat's like smiling right at you,
Speaker 1: this big fucking shining grin, and then it starts to
Speaker 1: raise up more, and then you see the whole sphere
Speaker 1: of the black pull away from the white and this
Speaker 1: is this hovering white light. And now this whole time,
Speaker 1: I am pushing on my pineal gland. And at this moment,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I start feeling everything in my
Speaker 1: toes like it's like as if it's like disappearing. Like
Speaker 1: by that time time I feel a raise up to
Speaker 1: my knees. Below my knees, they're gone. I don't feel anything,
Speaker 1: and I start feeling it rising up even more and more.
Speaker 1: It still it feels like it's starting to like build up,
Speaker 1: like in my chest and in my head. And then
Speaker 1: at that moment, all of a sudden, like it starts
Speaker 1: to look like like it's like you look down the
Speaker 1: bower of a gun and someone pulled the trigger. This
Speaker 1: thing just goes and now me pushing really hard, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it feels like somebody just swung and
Speaker 1: punched me right in the fucking head, like it switched
Speaker 1: polarity or something. And then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: feel everything in my body go out the top of
Speaker 1: my head where you put a yamaka. Every time, it's
Speaker 1: always in that same spot. Uh. It almost feels like
Speaker 1: like you literally feel like you're slipping out, You're slipping
Speaker 1: out and and like everything is melting off of you.
Speaker 1: And then as soon as I come out, it's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like like a million butterflies. First thing, and
Speaker 1: getting pulled out like an old direction is the most
Speaker 1: weirdest and again the weirdest feeling. And I've only ever
Speaker 1: felt these feelings in this situation. That's another thing. I've
Speaker 1: never ever felt any of these feelings in my life
Speaker 1: before except for magic. Like the feeling of it coming
Speaker 1: out and all that energy never before, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's just like it literally, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: sound crazy. It's almost like as if you're in a
Speaker 1: NASA picture but you're not there, but you're actually just
Speaker 1: like witnessing everything you feeling like you're just getting pulled
Speaker 1: through it, like you like even all that that, those
Speaker 1: pink like roars and all that. I sounds corny as shit,
Speaker 1: but I saw that stuff out there, and it literally
Speaker 1: just feels like everything is just melting off of you.
Speaker 1: And listen, I've done drugs in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of crazy shit when I was younger.
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, no matter what drug
Speaker 1: I've ever done, no matter what the greatest sex I've
Speaker 1: ever had, this experience is magnified by that by a thousand.
Speaker 1: No matter how much love I've ever thought I've had
Speaker 1: for a parent, family member, girlfriend, wife, this is a
Speaker 1: feeling of love that is something that I just can't
Speaker 1: even measure. And it's like I'm just happy existing and witnessing.
Speaker 1: And as soon as they start thinking like oh where
Speaker 1: am I boom, so I just kept writing it. Man, get worried.
Speaker 1: Worried not the feelings, but the visuals.
Speaker 3: Sounds so much, you know, like people's drug experiences, but
Speaker 3: they don't get the feeling.
Speaker 1: They just get, you know, the visuals. You know.
Speaker 3: I mean I've not done you know, h d m
Speaker 3: T or anything like that, but I've done you know,
Speaker 3: I took lots of acid. I've ate lots of mushrooms.
Speaker 3: And but I've heard from friends that's done d MT,
Speaker 3: and all of them, without exception, talk about like going
Speaker 3: through this wormhole, this tunnel and everything going by like
Speaker 3: you're talking about the reels, oh.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then this big ball of line.
Speaker 3: And even one of my friends was saying that one
Speaker 3: time that he went through this wormhole tunnel and everything
Speaker 3: was streaming by, and there was this big light that
Speaker 3: he was streaming toward, he said, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: when I come through, he said, it's just like I
Speaker 3: was floating in space.
Speaker 1: Wait, you almost feel kind of stupid being because I
Speaker 1: still don't believe space is space. So for me to
Speaker 1: even come out and tell people that's where I felt
Speaker 1: like I was. I feel stupid, but like I'm thrill though, dude.
Speaker 1: That's why when I told people that side, I think
Speaker 1: it's a magical sight up because I saw stuff like
Speaker 1: that and magie. It's just weird. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then he said that he's seen like a dark shadow.
Speaker 3: He said, it's black. I'm in blackness, he said, but
Speaker 3: I see another darker blacker than black, he said. It
Speaker 3: stands out shadow apparition of a person, he said. But
Speaker 3: they're moving at me, he said, like a like a snake,
Speaker 3: he says, the only way I can describe it, he said.
Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, they come up from behind
Speaker 3: the light ball, he said, and they grabbed it, he said,
Speaker 3: And they started coming up to me, he said, And
Speaker 3: they got in front of me, he said. They voiced
Speaker 3: to me, he said, without words. It was like I
Speaker 3: could hear it. They had no mouth to speak, he said,
Speaker 3: But they said, and that's how you travel through the multiverse.
Speaker 2: And he was like, no, what what what? What do
Speaker 2: it again? I wasn't paying attention. I wasn't paying attention,
Speaker 2: he said. Then they took that ball, he said, and
Speaker 2: they hit me with it in the chest, he said.
Speaker 2: When they hit me with it, he said, like you're
Speaker 2: talking about the shotgun. He said, it just felt like
Speaker 2: something just boom hit me. He said, and then my
Speaker 2: eyes opened, he said. I was on the bed. My
Speaker 2: run was over, he said. I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: give me another hit, Give me another hit, he said,
Speaker 2: And I couldn't, he said.
Speaker 3: I never made contact again. And me, I mean, because
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a Christian.
Speaker 1: And I told him.
Speaker 3: I was like, I said, dude, I don't want to
Speaker 3: mention his name, but I was like, dude, I was like,
Speaker 3: you said it yourself.
Speaker 1: It was like a snake.
Speaker 3: Things slithered up to you, guys, like you know it
Speaker 3: talks about you know, Satan being, you know, the ancient
Speaker 3: twisting serp. And I don't know if what you experienced
Speaker 3: was good, bro, I.
Speaker 1: Have a sort any people like that that is is
Speaker 1: interesting how you said that A lot of common things
Speaker 1: right that already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard some people in my head as you
Speaker 2: was talking about it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's wild. That's great though at least it wasn't
Speaker 1: like totally crazy to you. I've heard some nd people
Speaker 1: have some similar things. But that's interesting. That's interesting that
Speaker 1: you've heard that from Iowa was and stuff. Wow all right, yeah? Interesting?
Speaker 3: And so with that, man, uh is this something that
Speaker 3: was this just like a one and done or maybe
Speaker 3: once or twice or is this if you do you
Speaker 3: can get there.
Speaker 1: I did that and then that did kind of weird
Speaker 1: me out for a while.
Speaker 2: Granted, yeah, yeah, it did.
Speaker 1: Me out for a while, and then eventually I was
Speaker 1: like a fuck it. I think like a week or
Speaker 1: two later, I did it like three times in like
Speaker 1: a week and a half. And I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: I ended up putting myself in the hospital because actually
Speaker 1: thought there was something wrong. Yeah yeah, And when I
Speaker 1: was there, uh, they did say this is the weird thing.
Speaker 1: I did have an issue with my blood. My hemoglobin
Speaker 1: was well like jacked up. So they actually had to
Speaker 1: give me a bag of blood and a bag of
Speaker 1: sailing because they said your blood is like syrup. And
Speaker 1: they're like, maybe you have this. They gave me some
Speaker 1: like health condition and they said, sometimes it just happens
Speaker 1: to people for no reason. And you know, I have
Speaker 1: to go and like get your blood filtered like once
Speaker 1: a month or no or something like that filtered, like
Speaker 1: you'd have to get a bag of blood or sailing
Speaker 1: or something. They're like, so you know, school get checked
Speaker 1: After this long story short, when I went and got
Speaker 1: checked out with the next two months, my levels were
Speaker 1: fine and they're like, yeah, this was probably a freak thing,
Speaker 1: and I've been fine since then. That's what I'm getting
Speaker 1: at is this is something that was just to that situation.
Speaker 1: I had that issue with my blood and every time
Speaker 1: I do fuck with the stuff. And I've even a
Speaker 1: long time ago, I even posted a picture of my
Speaker 1: eyes on Twitter. One eye will be pinned in the
Speaker 1: other wild on the I with the other eye will
Speaker 1: get bigger when I gets bigger and when I am small.
Speaker 1: Every time, even if I take myself too this is
Speaker 1: another thing. Sometimes I will take the meditation up until
Speaker 1: the point of the moving windows. If that starts to happen,
Speaker 1: I think of self and I pull myself out of it.
Speaker 1: But I am. I try to keep myself and just
Speaker 1: like hover and look at the eclipse, and it's some
Speaker 1: I do get in my opinion, I get some benefits
Speaker 1: out of that just from doing that. If I open
Speaker 1: up my eyes, my pupils are going to be screwed up.
Speaker 1: It will probably last about a day or two. The
Speaker 1: first time when I went to the hospital, that shit
Speaker 1: was like that for about a month because I went
Speaker 1: two weeks later to an eye doctor and it was
Speaker 1: it was originally full millimeters dilated. When I went about
Speaker 1: two weeks later, it was two millimeters still dilated. And
Speaker 1: lady even said, there's nothing wrong with your sight though.
Speaker 3: So it's obviously very taxing on your body to do this.
Speaker 1: And you know the interesting thing, and like I'm not
Speaker 1: promoting the OTO when I say this, it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I just wonder if these are like reasons why
Speaker 1: they come up with stuff. You know, technically, my eyes
Speaker 1: were in flight and fight mode at the same time,
Speaker 1: which is very horse like in my opinion. You know
Speaker 1: what you mean by that? With Horace, he's a flies
Speaker 1: and he's a warrior, and of Horace is with the
Speaker 1: ot oh Man, you see I'm speaking, is like maybe
Speaker 1: you understand all this O t O. They do believe
Speaker 1: we are going into the air and of horse and
Speaker 1: Horace is like their main dude. Okay, you know, so
Speaker 1: like again he's he's a warrior, and he's he's flies
Speaker 1: and he's a bird. So technically you are in flight
Speaker 1: and fight mode at the same time. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's exactly I talk about the I or something because
Speaker 3: how he uh, you know, yes, that is too right now, uncle,
Speaker 3: but goes into the abyss risk used his dead father
Speaker 3: and gives his dead father his eye that he had
Speaker 3: won back from from set and restores vision to his father.
Speaker 3: And I've heard Jordan Peterson talk about that. He said that,
Speaker 3: you know, like esoterically, you know, it's with the archetypes stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you have to face the dragon.
Speaker 3: You have to conquer your fears and go into the unknown,
Speaker 3: and that's the chase. And yeah, and then he said,
Speaker 3: but you have to restore vision, you know, to the father,
Speaker 3: and the father is the wisdom. So the son is
Speaker 3: the courageous youth, the explorer, but you also need wisdom.
Speaker 3: You have to rule with courageous, you know, And fearlessness,
Speaker 3: but you also have to rule with wisdom, so you
Speaker 3: have to go into the abyss and give your eye
Speaker 3: a part of your vision to wisdom.
Speaker 1: And even the Cabalistic Tree of Life even shows that
Speaker 1: on the bottom sphere, on the eat sphere where a
Speaker 1: tooth would fall whatever, you have the prince there. And
Speaker 1: then right directly across or from sphare eight six and
Speaker 1: four you have the king. So it's like you even
Speaker 1: and then you have a female princess over here and
Speaker 1: a queen. You do even have that whole story of
Speaker 1: in my opinion, even the hero's journey in there where
Speaker 1: the prince has to become the king. If you notice
Speaker 1: you have at one point, if you put tarot cars
Speaker 1: on the kabbala the way that they fall, you know,
Speaker 1: as you're going up the tree, I'll even have the
Speaker 1: chariot following you. I mean, it's a it is a
Speaker 1: it is a story that's even showing you the hero's
Speaker 1: journey in my opinion, with Tarot and the Kabalistic tree,
Speaker 1: and it's the object is to become the king and
Speaker 1: to have to have that second sight or knowing and
Speaker 1: wisdom and knowledge.
Speaker 3: And that's something honestly that I want to look into,
Speaker 3: because that's another thing that I just kind of have
Speaker 3: a very surface, you know, view on with the Kabbala
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I do know that, Uh, I got some books
Speaker 1: I can send you for sure, that would be very
Speaker 1: And there's no rituals in these things. That's another thing
Speaker 1: I just want to say real quick, when you start
Speaker 1: to study the Kabala, if you're just studying hermetic Kabala
Speaker 1: or even Kabala, it doesn't come with rituals. That's actually
Speaker 1: something you have to make up yourself instead applying it
Speaker 1: to it. So what I'm getting at it is I
Speaker 1: could give you some books that is just basic, you know,
Speaker 1: educational stuff if you yeah, that's me.
Speaker 2: I just I just like to know, you know, what
Speaker 2: they think exactly.
Speaker 3: That is and and uh, because like I read there
Speaker 3: was just a small little snippet in one of Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's book and he just, you know, kind of just
Speaker 3: casually mentioned some guy and he said he was his
Speaker 3: cabalistic teacher.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, that's right. I haven't heard somebody say that
Speaker 1: in a while. That's right, man, I forgot all about
Speaker 1: that one of his books. Yeah, he says that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like a lot of these guys, you know,
Speaker 3: and Jared Kushner, his son in law, you know, is
Speaker 3: a is a Jew, so maybe that's kind of maybe
Speaker 3: how he got introduced to this stuff. But a lot
Speaker 3: of you're rich and a lot of your powerful people
Speaker 3: are into this Kabbala. So I mean, whether it's true
Speaker 3: or not, I mean, I think it's important to to
Speaker 3: see what it is and what they believe, because I
Speaker 3: mean they're the ones pooling the strings, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I even think some people who identify
Speaker 1: as being Jewish it's more or less that they're into
Speaker 1: the Kabbala and they just claim that the Jewish mm hm.
Speaker 1: I mean if you some people, like I'll be totally
Speaker 1: honest with you, Most people I knew that are into
Speaker 1: the Kabbala know more about the Kabbala than the average
Speaker 1: Jewish person does. So I mean, you could you could
Speaker 1: fake the funk all day at that point. As being
Speaker 1: a Jew, you know what I'm saying, You're probably gonna
Speaker 1: know more about the religion than the Jewish person.
Speaker 3: Is, and it's more culturally accepted to because there's that
Speaker 3: taboo and that stigma attached to it. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: if you say you're Jewish, you know, hey, then nobody's
Speaker 3: gonna give you a second look.
Speaker 2: But you mentioned Kabbalah, They're like, oh this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, I'm just Jewish.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that's the cover up, that that's the gay
Speaker 3: man marrying the ugly friend from high school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that in a minute that yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well you had mentioned, you know that the hero's journey
Speaker 3: and the the Abyss, crossing the Abyss, and you even
Speaker 3: you know, kind of just casually mentioned that, I think
Speaker 3: on our first conversation went on your show, and because
Speaker 3: I just talked about my show, you know, I said,
Speaker 3: you know, I've kind of coined it the Hero's journey,
Speaker 3: and then you said, yeah, that that's kind of like
Speaker 3: crossing the Abyss. And I remember JJ was like, what,
Speaker 3: I don't know, how does that correlators up?
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah. That was like one
Speaker 1: of the few times that he actually heard that, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I was a little.
Speaker 3: Smith so uh and that, you know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: pretty much ignorant on that. So like with me, you know,
Speaker 3: my context of it is, you know, like Joseph Campbell,
Speaker 3: you know, conquering your fears, facing the dragon, uh and
Speaker 3: Jordan Peterson the whole you know.
Speaker 2: Like theology side of it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: So I know yours is coming from more you know,
Speaker 3: like h esoteric and ot O type end that. So
Speaker 3: I like to hear your opinion of that and what
Speaker 3: you mean by that when you.
Speaker 1: Say it, Oh, the hero's journey. I do think that
Speaker 1: is like kind of like the whole process of like
Speaker 1: kind of you know, crossing the abyss where it even
Speaker 1: could even start off with. In my opinion, this is
Speaker 1: just to me. I think a lot of it was
Speaker 1: very helpful for me to even make that happen. Is
Speaker 1: that you do have to do some sort of like
Speaker 1: inner work or shadow work to where I think you
Speaker 1: will even have to like kind of like shatter You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to destroy ways of thinking influences. You're really
Speaker 1: gonna have to like kill the demons in your own head.
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna have to slay those motherfuckers and
Speaker 1: become free of the things that are binding you away
Speaker 1: from having an experience with God. And I do think
Speaker 1: in a sense it didn't get too much into a
Speaker 1: prior but like I actually think that if you do
Speaker 1: really cross the abyss, you are technically kind of actually
Speaker 1: having that experience of death and rebirth like literally, you know,
Speaker 1: I do think there is pretty much a death involved,
Speaker 1: like literally, So I do think again like the Hero's journey,
Speaker 1: it's like the whole death and rebirth that like fighting
Speaker 1: to the end. Uh. A lot of times when you
Speaker 1: see people's like these heroes win, it's just as if
Speaker 1: they went against all odds or they should have actually
Speaker 1: have died, like you know, you shouldn't have left. But
Speaker 1: I do think it's it's very much, very much even
Speaker 1: the cheesy way, and it's not much of the hero's journey,
Speaker 1: but very much like Michael Myers or even Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 1: You're gonna to slay and kill everything that's that's that
Speaker 1: that's that comes in your way, even if it has
Speaker 1: to do with you dying at the end, you know,
Speaker 1: because you're going to have to give up the flesh regardless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're going to kill everything if you're if you're
Speaker 1: willing to technically know that you're giving up possibly your
Speaker 1: life to slip out of your meat skin. You are
Speaker 1: kind of, in my opinion, slaying all the things that
Speaker 1: are in your life that bind you to want to
Speaker 1: be here. Because if you know I may not come back,
Speaker 1: you have to give all that up. And in my opinion,
Speaker 1: that is like you're killing these things in your mind.
Speaker 1: They have no they no longer live in here and
Speaker 1: hold you here. Because for the Christian context, I mean,
Speaker 1: you even have that in the Bible. It talks about
Speaker 1: you know, sacrificing your flesh, yeah, you know, and Jesus
Speaker 1: talking about you know, you must be reborn. You know.
Speaker 1: My opinion, I think that's what and spirit I think
Speaker 1: Jesus chrusty abyss. I think that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 1: I think he was an og and he wanted to
Speaker 1: tell everybody else is you can have this experience to man's.
Speaker 1: But that's why, just why, I guess what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say is I don't knock Jesus either. I actually
Speaker 1: put them up in very high regards, even though I
Speaker 1: am an ocultist.
Speaker 3: M hm, well, I mean even just uh, you know,
Speaker 3: you have the physicality, then you have the spiritual side.
Speaker 3: And I say it a lot, you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of people want to say, well this is how it
Speaker 3: is on something. It's like no, no, no, all this
Speaker 3: stuff is multi layered like onions. Myself and I'm completely
Speaker 3: wrong and that so I mean it's it's it's a
Speaker 3: mixture of things. So like even just literal wise, you know,
Speaker 3: the text says that Jesus dies three days goes into shield.
Speaker 3: You know the abyss three days later comes out on
Speaker 3: the other side. So I mean, just from a literal standpoint,
Speaker 3: you know, he he died, resurrected, came back, and was reborn.
Speaker 3: But you can also, uh, that has multi layers. I
Speaker 3: mean you could definitely look at that on a metaphysical
Speaker 3: side and a spiritual side too.
Speaker 1: And just like you're saying.
Speaker 3: Us, you know, with a with a with a Christian context,
Speaker 3: it's like you are sacrificing your flesh daily. You're shedding
Speaker 3: these things like you said, that are binding you. And uh,
Speaker 3: I do I mean, I think that we are talking
Speaker 3: about the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's just from from different point of view perspectives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that. That is one of the
Speaker 1: reasons again why I bring a lot of people on
Speaker 1: the show, because I think a lot of us are
Speaker 1: going to be talking about the same thing, just from
Speaker 1: a different perspective. And you see that happen a lot.
Speaker 1: I do think there was some underlying truth involved, you know,
Speaker 1: in in old religions or you know, major texts. I
Speaker 1: think there is some little seed of truth that runs
Speaker 1: through all of them.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, and I think that too, you know.
Speaker 3: But it's like, and I'm different than than I'm not
Speaker 3: your traditional you know, Christian. I don't even like using
Speaker 3: that word honestly, because I think it's been kind of tainted.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a a.
Speaker 2: Follower of the way. I guess that could be, you know,
Speaker 2: a way to say it.
Speaker 3: But it's like, I think it's kind of pompous to
Speaker 3: to think that, you know, if God created the entire world,
Speaker 3: the universe, and all the people in it, uh, I
Speaker 3: think it's pretty pompous just to think that he was
Speaker 3: silent to his creation for thousands of years and then
Speaker 3: just chose one specific group to reveal himself to. I
Speaker 3: think that he gave hints of the truth and himself
Speaker 3: to all these other religions. You know, I'm not now
Speaker 3: me from my perspective, you know, you know, Jesus is
Speaker 3: the way, the truth and the life, you know, because
Speaker 3: all the religions you know pointed Jesus and say, you know,
Speaker 3: either he was a prophet or ascended master. You know,
Speaker 3: they all religions point to the man in acknowledging, but
Speaker 3: when you get to him, he points.
Speaker 1: To himself, you know.
Speaker 3: But so I'm not I'm not one of those all
Speaker 3: roads lead to heaven guys. But what I'm getting at is,
Speaker 3: like you said, there's hints of the truth and all
Speaker 3: these things, because I mean, there's a lot of common
Speaker 3: themes and similarities when you look at them.
Speaker 1: I definitely think so for sure, Well what got you out? Nick?
Speaker 1: Even so what Yah, this will get interesting if the
Speaker 1: first degree me getting naked didn't knock me out, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll throw that out there. And in the first degree
Speaker 1: you will have to actually take off your clothes and
Speaker 1: get naked in a in a blacked out room with
Speaker 1: like a candle. So I mean that makes it a little
Speaker 1: bit more comfortable. But uh no, I went up went
Speaker 1: a little bit more higher than that. But eventually after
Speaker 1: the second degree, not I don't think it was right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was right after actually, and I did
Speaker 1: them with I did it with two other people. They
Speaker 1: let you know, going forward, other degrees and maybe certain
Speaker 1: things that you can either do as a what's up
Speaker 1: where like volunteer and things that would be maybe needed
Speaker 1: for you to move on and take that degree. And
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was the seventh or eighth one. Well,
Speaker 1: at one point and I heard it for sure, what
Speaker 1: you're gonna sign over everything to the OTO. WHOA what?
Speaker 1: I'm like, looking at my boy Jordan, who just took
Speaker 1: the ship with me, I'm like, yo, this is a
Speaker 1: cult now, Like they just told this, this is a cult.
Speaker 1: Fucking great, dude, fucking spend years it just they just
Speaker 1: told me, now, this is a cult. If I stay
Speaker 1: that long. I mean I did stay a little bit
Speaker 1: longer knowing that this. Even at that point, I'll be
Speaker 1: totally honest with you, I really knew it wasn't a
Speaker 1: place for me to stay because I'm getting don't get
Speaker 1: into this bar too now is extremely left, far left
Speaker 1: m hm. And at the time it was run around,
Speaker 1: all that shit was popping with you, you know, let's burn
Speaker 1: everything down, BLM. George Floyd, COVID, all that craziness they started. Well,
Speaker 1: first off, when COVID came, they settled with the CD
Speaker 1: They fucking knelt to the CDC. Okay, we'll close. Well,
Speaker 1: Jesus has got his doors open, but fucking horse is
Speaker 1: too scared. What the fuck's going on here? You know?
Speaker 1: Then he whatever. Then they started doing Zoom meetings. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I haven't even been there in about
Speaker 1: six months. Anyway. I was like, yo, I'll go to
Speaker 1: a few Zoom meetings because they don't have to technically
Speaker 1: say anything. And you know, you know again COVID nothing
Speaker 1: as much was going on anyway, So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just jumping on a Zoom meeting and listen to
Speaker 1: them read a book or do this, do that. And
Speaker 1: like one day we got an email saying if we
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the whole George Floyd situation, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, first off, this has something to do
Speaker 1: with the magic. This isn't an OTO thing like the
Speaker 1: ot O literally is just like the AA. We have
Speaker 1: nothing to say about anything except for the the OTO. Well,
Speaker 1: fucking George Floyd has nothing to do with the ot
Speaker 1: unless he was in it, not claiming he was, but
Speaker 1: you know what I'm getting out, like, why are we
Speaker 1: talking about this? So I was like I gotta jump
Speaker 1: in on this thing just for shits and giggles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yo.
Speaker 1: It turned into like something like group therapy type thing
Speaker 1: where it's like talking about like how it was horrible,
Speaker 1: and everybody got to take their turn if they wanted
Speaker 1: and go around the room all this, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: the zoom and and tell your story about like your racism,
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with racism. And I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And then at the end they start to
Speaker 1: ask if people want to, like, uh, get together for
Speaker 1: like protests, Yeah, protests, and uh I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is the promoting the fucking left is Yo.
Speaker 2: It was just a degree was it?
Speaker 3: Was it a lot of nationalities or was it predominantly why.
Speaker 1: If that's even another thing. I'll be totally honest with you.
Speaker 1: There was two black motherfuckers out of that whole fucking lodge,
Speaker 1: and like one of them showed up awfully. The other
Speaker 1: one was like nuts and they were honestly didn't even
Speaker 1: like them too much either. But I was just like, so,
Speaker 1: first off, like what the like, where the fuck are
Speaker 1: we coming from with this? I'm just keeping it real.
Speaker 1: I'm literally just kid, but a real. You got one
Speaker 1: black dude in the whole fucking group and we got
Speaker 1: to talk about George Floyd racism incident, for an hour
Speaker 1: and the crazy thing is, so what I'm saying now
Speaker 1: is that now the rest of this whole group is
Speaker 1: all white. Motherfucker's going on about what this was silly?
Speaker 1: It was, there was something, it was something weird there.
Speaker 1: And then even another thing I had found out when
Speaker 1: I this was another thing I found out when they
Speaker 1: were talking about for the degrees, for the second degree,
Speaker 1: you could sign up for some sort of like volunteer
Speaker 1: thing or you talk to like the I think it's
Speaker 1: a beta. Fuck, I've already forgot the guy's name, Himus whatever.
Speaker 1: Tell you that was the head guy, the head of
Speaker 1: the OHO, the outer head. Uh, you talk to him.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be once a month and
Speaker 1: just give him updates. You go on Skype and give
Speaker 1: him updates about how the lodge is doing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is easy. I do something twelve times
Speaker 1: a year, and I did it for a year. That's
Speaker 1: that's my service, and you'll leave me the fuck alone.
Speaker 1: It's plain and simple. I was playing on the so
Speaker 1: I just want to go speak to the other person
Speaker 1: that's there who was doing it that their time was ending,
Speaker 1: and like, oh no, that's every week. I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what the hell does this dude need to know what's
Speaker 1: going on in this place every week? I'm like, this
Speaker 1: motherfuck is looking for something or you want, Like I'm
Speaker 1: my giving you, like you're basically reading the lodge for
Speaker 1: you and letting you. Like I just was just like,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: Fucking like you're the four h reporter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like you know, like data mining. Like
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, like I'm not doing it. So
Speaker 1: I like even sort of looking at that, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, between that and then what
Speaker 1: was going on there and then pushing all this stuff
Speaker 1: with the protest and the stuff at George Floyd and
Speaker 1: then crumbling to the CDC and then eventually this is
Speaker 1: crazy thing too. It's like I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: ever heard them, Like you was like, oh, ninety three
Speaker 1: or ninety three is always associated with the Limo and
Speaker 1: Alice the Crowley. Uh you know, it breaks down to
Speaker 1: a gape, you know, stuff like that. It's numerical value
Speaker 1: of stuff. Uh.
Speaker 2: They say it is like a Greek word for lone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: They're saying an email ninety three percent of the lodge
Speaker 1: isn't comfortable with people being unvaccinated, so due to that,
Speaker 1: we're everybody you're gonna have to be vaccinated to come in.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you're really using that fucking number too
Speaker 1: to fucking play some bullshit games with us, because the
Speaker 1: thing is, I hadn't left yet and I didn't get
Speaker 1: an email to ask my opinion on this, So where
Speaker 1: was this fucking vote, right, where's this ninety three percent
Speaker 1: coming from? Because you didn't get my fucking answer, and
Speaker 1: I'm guarantee you didn't get Jordan's anything to at Jason's
Speaker 1: because we all would have said fuck you, and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been at ninety three percent. It would have
Speaker 1: been higher already because it wasn't that many actual members
Speaker 1: who had to say that would at least been at
Speaker 1: least ten percent right there. So I know you're fucking lying.
Speaker 1: And you said this was in New York, right yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah queens, Yeah, and he's another dude. There's a plenty
Speaker 1: of dudes there that would have been like, no, that's
Speaker 1: fucking crazy to where that would not have been ninety
Speaker 1: three percent if we all got asked. So you fucking lied.
Speaker 2: I've been using the programming of that number.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that sounds so cool ninety three. I guess
Speaker 1: it was meant to be some fucking corny gass shit
Speaker 1: like that, because they're all easily manipulated libtards. I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, most of them were. Once I realized
Speaker 1: I didn't realize what I was. I do think that's
Speaker 1: part of it, and I think part of their agenda.
Speaker 1: Like I did say, people can look for it. I
Speaker 1: will tell you from the rituals that I did. From
Speaker 1: the most part, a lot of this book is on
Speaker 1: point secret rituals of the OTO. You can look up
Speaker 1: the PDF for it. One of the last rituals that
Speaker 1: does talk about fucking around with the homoculus and trying
Speaker 1: to put a demon back in there before the ego,
Speaker 1: putting a demon in there before the ego comes back.
Speaker 1: So I do think you're actually fucking around with like
Speaker 1: putting things into people's heads of their brains, like pulling out.
Speaker 1: Maybe if somebody had a magical experience, let me show
Speaker 1: something else in there before they come back. I don't
Speaker 1: trust that ship sounds like I'mkultra is something weird or
Speaker 1: people have a magical I'll have my magical experience at home.
Speaker 1: I don't need you motherfuckers around me. I don't know
Speaker 1: who the fuck you want. I don't trust that shit. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. A clip sitting.
Speaker 2: So that they're talking about injecting the demon into you
Speaker 2: while you're having this experience.
Speaker 1: It says, yeah, yeah, body experienced. I'm assuming that's what's
Speaker 1: going on in order to even do that, but it
Speaker 1: is talking about putting in you know, putting the demon
Speaker 1: into the homoculous before the ego takes form again comes back.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw that ship too, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I think I'm done with
Speaker 1: this place. I was like, I already I already wrote
Speaker 1: off like enough like bad rumors and stories like Alista
Speaker 1: Crowley himself, you know, to stay here. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think this is like enough now I think I
Speaker 1: can leave.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's not even ship that like you
Speaker 1: know again, I could be wrong, but for what I
Speaker 1: can say from my experience that the degrees that I
Speaker 1: took about ninety percent of those things were probably on point,
Speaker 1: and like them, some of the.
Speaker 2: Ear was ninety three. I had to you teed it up.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do do that too, if I ever use
Speaker 1: like a percentage, I will you'll say ninety three to
Speaker 1: see if anybody's you know, listen catches me. Well, now
Speaker 1: I'm in the clubs. Yeah, you got it out right.
Speaker 1: You mentioned ninety three on the show. I'll be in
Speaker 1: the chat. Yeah, yo, ninety three. I want to see
Speaker 1: that now.
Speaker 3: Well, like far as like your the initiations and stuff,
Speaker 3: which I don't know if you are comfortable talk, yeah,
Speaker 3: sure if you're allowed to. Well, does one of those
Speaker 3: look like because I know, like I've read a lot
Speaker 3: of books, you know on freemasonry how they come out,
Speaker 3: you know, with one arm rolled up, one pant leg,
Speaker 3: bose brass with the knife and you know the.
Speaker 2: Rituals that they do. What's what's one look like in the.
Speaker 1: O t O uh in the minerval, Like I said,
Speaker 1: you do keep your clothes on? Uh? That one you
Speaker 1: could the story takes place that you are heading to
Speaker 1: Heliopolis and you end up getting stopped by like uh
Speaker 1: like these like dudes that like I have like a
Speaker 1: camp and then like they take you a camp and
Speaker 1: there's a saladeen is there? Like they even use that
Speaker 1: that that person is in the uh is in the
Speaker 1: minerval first and second degree. The first three degrees are
Speaker 1: very much like kind of like telling the same story
Speaker 1: of you like traveling uh through Heliopolis. I think you are,
Speaker 1: you're traveling to Heliopolis. Whatever. The first one is a
Speaker 1: lot of like, uh, how does it start off? Sorry?
Speaker 1: There you come in, You do a lot of like
Speaker 1: believe or not. You will go around in circles. They'll
Speaker 1: be normally one person or two people running it, and
Speaker 1: then there's like three people considered like soldiers I think,
Speaker 1: or like kind of like you know, people guarding the camp.
Speaker 1: They take you to the camp, they start asking you, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you believe in this and that or
Speaker 1: if you want if you're interested into the Book of
Speaker 1: the Law and learning all this and that, and they
Speaker 1: ask you what's your will? What you're doing here? Why
Speaker 1: are you even passing? You know all this stuff. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then eventually you will go from one part of the
Speaker 1: the initiation to where there's it's like I guess like
Speaker 1: curtains kind of from like you know, uh, you're a
Speaker 1: movie theater. They pull it open. You go back there
Speaker 1: and now there's like everybody else from the lodge that
Speaker 1: came to even watch it too, U is back there
Speaker 1: and there's they give you the Book of the Law.
Speaker 1: You sit down and you're supposed to read the Book
Speaker 1: of the law way other people are doing the initiation,
Speaker 1: and they have have like uh like snacks. They have
Speaker 1: like like crackers, like oh, berries or nuts, like a
Speaker 1: lot of things that are actually grown on you know,
Speaker 1: like a grown like a nat you know, berries, uh raisins, nuts, figs.
Speaker 1: They'll have that, and then like cheeses, and they'll have
Speaker 1: people back there like playing like music on instruments and stuff.
Speaker 1: And you're supposed to just sit there and read the
Speaker 1: Book of the law where everybody else goes. And then
Speaker 1: they take you back out again. I mean again, this
Speaker 1: is a long time ago. I'm trying to give you
Speaker 1: somewhat of an idea. But like even in the in
Speaker 1: this ritual, and this is the most important thing that
Speaker 1: I would like to say actually about Minerval And I've
Speaker 1: even played this off in one of my logos. There
Speaker 1: is a tent.
Speaker 3: Then I was wanting to get at because when I
Speaker 3: was talking about the tabernacle and stuff, you mentioned this tint.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, they don't say anything about it. It's it's there.
Speaker 1: They don't nothing, they don't acknowledge it say anything. And
Speaker 1: at one point, when you're going through the whole thing
Speaker 1: and they start doing you will get a sign which
Speaker 1: I think it was like this, and then you act
Speaker 1: like you're cutting your waste from a nerval kind of
Speaker 1: almost look like you're like looking out, like you're looking out,
Speaker 1: and that's how I think. They even tell you to ilegally.
Speaker 1: And then you act like you slice yourself in half
Speaker 1: a down on two waists. I think that's that's either
Speaker 1: mi nerval the first one. And then there's like even
Speaker 1: a uh. And then there's a way to greet people
Speaker 1: that they will teach you too. This is all near
Speaker 1: the near the order, at near the end of the initiation.
Speaker 1: This one, you put out your thumb. The other guy
Speaker 1: will come up to it and pump it four times
Speaker 1: three times one two, three, four, one two through four
Speaker 1: one two, three, four and twelve for a total of twelve.
Speaker 1: They do that, and then they will tell you. The
Speaker 1: word that you are going to be told now is
Speaker 1: a word for God, and the name for that is
Speaker 1: on oh n Now. The tent, my opinion, is the
Speaker 1: optic nerve, which is one of the twelve cranial nerves
Speaker 1: and part of this initiation is you're actually watching how
Speaker 1: light perception that's coming from your eye out into this world.
Speaker 1: You're actually falling from inside your head out into the
Speaker 1: light of this world. That's why I think they're going
Speaker 1: with these degrees. But my important thing is I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get is that, in my opinion, that tent is
Speaker 1: the optic nerve, and they I do believe that, as
Speaker 1: silly as it sounds, I know makes Crowley sound a
Speaker 1: little bit more educated than he is. Do you think
Speaker 1: this dude was into the eyeballs in the brain and
Speaker 1: he does show that shit and stuff. And I think
Speaker 1: what I'm just trying to get at is, I do
Speaker 1: think that that tent looks a lot like the optic nerve,
Speaker 1: depending on how you look at it. And you pump
Speaker 1: they say on they're even the O n and then
Speaker 1: they pump your finger twelve times and it's one of
Speaker 1: the twelve cranial nerves. There is too many coincidences to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and whether you're right or not, I
Speaker 3: mean I mean something though, because I'm just exposed to it.
Speaker 3: But I do know that there's always these hidden meanings
Speaker 3: and esoteric layers, you know, like we talked about earlier,
Speaker 3: with all of these rituals. Uh, I even heard some
Speaker 3: similarities with the Masonic stuff because in that first degree,
Speaker 3: you know, they even uh put a lasso around their
Speaker 3: neck and someone.
Speaker 1: Yes they did that to me. Yes, they did that
Speaker 1: to me too.
Speaker 2: Crazy. Yeah they zipzagg you like you're getting lost.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they just yea, they just had me going
Speaker 1: around in circles. Yeah, that's even another thing too. I
Speaker 1: just even wanted to say, like at some point I
Speaker 1: even looked back at what I was doing and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I was walking around naked with a
Speaker 1: leash on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what the fund And they say that that they
Speaker 3: do that because it's like symbolic for the labyrinth and
Speaker 3: that you are stumbling in the dark, you're.
Speaker 1: Lost, and yeah, it still just looks up if you
Speaker 1: think about what you're.
Speaker 3: Doing, and you have to ask to be shown the light.
Speaker 3: And then in the east of the room they have
Speaker 3: the altar with the worshipful Master and you're led to
Speaker 3: the east the rising sun and lightened. And you talked
Speaker 3: about you're presented with the Book of the Law or
Speaker 3: there you're presented with their book. And they said, according
Speaker 3: to what religion you are determines what book that is.
Speaker 3: So if you're a Christian, one of the items they
Speaker 3: give you is the Holy Bible, you know. If you're
Speaker 3: a Muslim you get the Qoran, you know, or vice versa.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that so there was a.
Speaker 3: Lot of similarities there with those two organizations.
Speaker 1: That was kind of popping off in my head as
Speaker 1: you was telling Yeah, well again, I guess he may
Speaker 1: have lested maybe some of the some of the stuff
Speaker 1: from their earlier degrees and maybe just tweet them a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 3: Which he was a Freemason. Oh yeah, he incorporated some
Speaker 3: of that stuff. Same thing with the guy. Uh shoot uh,
Speaker 3: Heidi talks about the Mormons.
Speaker 1: Oh Joseph Smith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joseph Smith. A lot of their initiations
Speaker 3: and riots, had a lot.
Speaker 1: Of their weddings. Their weddings are highly massonic at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very well. Yeah, but uh yeah, so I mean, uh
Speaker 1: that that was like the first degree. Uh yeah, the
Speaker 1: second one. An interesting thing. Uh, this was the second one.
Speaker 1: I could tell you that. That was one of interesting
Speaker 1: things in that is that they have like it's like
Speaker 1: almost like a makeshift jacuzzi a tub that they Oh
Speaker 1: then the first one too. Sorry skip to skip this
Speaker 1: one and the first one. Besides walking around with the
Speaker 1: de lease and everything, they're gonna sticky into something and
Speaker 1: act like it's a coffin and they're fucking closing it
Speaker 1: up on you in the first one, and yeah, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to sit in there for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that is. I was like, oh, I've heard about
Speaker 1: this already, and I will even tell you this is
Speaker 1: another thing. I had that book, The Secret Richinds of
Speaker 1: the Oto, prior to any of the initiations, so none
Speaker 1: of this was a surprise to me.
Speaker 2: I'll just be honest, I already read accurate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm getting. Like, I knew before
Speaker 1: I got naked, I was gonna have to get naked.
Speaker 1: And I'll be totally honest with you, I almost didn't
Speaker 1: do it because I was really like, even though even
Speaker 1: reading it, you could tell if the lights are out,
Speaker 1: there's only like one candle, and I will be honest,
Speaker 1: even when I sat down and watched other people do it,
Speaker 1: you only see silhouettes. You don't see anything. But still
Speaker 1: it's fucking weird. Man. The people that are doing the
Speaker 1: initiation with you can definitely see you with that candle
Speaker 1: around you and all the girl reading the shit to me.
Speaker 1: You see me standing there with my fucking dick hanging
Speaker 1: out like Which was the same chick that was the
Speaker 1: priestess when I came in the first time.
Speaker 2: She showed you mine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, the same chick that slapped me into the
Speaker 1: DMCA when I fucking recorded episodes on the Initiations. I
Speaker 1: recorded episodes on the Initiations. The OTO actually took that
Speaker 1: hit down, legally took it down. Some spreaker bit shoot Rumble,
Speaker 1: fucking everywhere it came down. Nobody was safe. Bitchot and
Speaker 1: Rumble even sent me a letter, so but we have
Speaker 1: to take this down. They have like copy paste fucking
Speaker 1: letters because she's a lawyer too, this girl, she's also
Speaker 1: a lawyer. They have copy paste fucking things that they
Speaker 1: just send out to people whenever they want to slap
Speaker 1: them with. Oh, this is a copyright because that's the thing,
Speaker 1: believe it or not. As crazy as it sounds, this
Speaker 1: is how they get you for talking about the Initiations.
Speaker 1: It's copyrighted, Believe it or not. Somebody actually owns a
Speaker 1: real fucking book that has a copyright on this initiation,
Speaker 1: and that's how they hit you. You're reading copyrighted material.
Speaker 1: You can't do this. Oh wow, that shit is fucking copyrighted.
Speaker 1: So again, even to get that sometimes you might have
Speaker 1: to talk and code because you really don't want to
Speaker 1: say what the fuck is saying to even get the copyright,
Speaker 1: because certain laws are not gonna let you say certain
Speaker 1: shit in the book, so you may not know what
Speaker 1: the fuck you're even reading.
Speaker 3: When you're looking at it right, and then it makes
Speaker 3: you the ones that are out, if they're if they're accurate.
Speaker 3: You know, That's why I was asking you, you know,
Speaker 3: so the one you read was accurate because if they
Speaker 3: got control over it, obviously, if they wanted to, they
Speaker 3: could make it to where you know, they put out
Speaker 3: a false narrative or they allow a false narrative.
Speaker 1: Oh they didn't allow mine control it. Yeah, no, they
Speaker 1: definitely took that shit down. I was actually really surprised. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they You know. The funny thing is I had already
Speaker 1: applied to leave. That was another thing I left out,
Speaker 1: like in order to leave, believe it, I could just
Speaker 1: stop going and your name will still be on a list,
Speaker 1: which most people are okay with and at the time,
Speaker 1: I was so mad at the mom I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: fuck that, I want my name off the list. I
Speaker 1: was like, send me the paperwork. You have to actually
Speaker 1: ask for paperwork though without ahead has to send it
Speaker 1: to you. You fill it out, you send it back.
Speaker 1: I sent it back and I even got a lot
Speaker 1: of stating that, you know, it was good to go.
Speaker 1: And then when this copyright stuff happened about a month later,
Speaker 1: and it was right after I start, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: some motherfucker must have been checking this show to see
Speaker 1: for a face, because I didn't start showing my face yet,
Speaker 1: just because like honestly lack of technology. I think I
Speaker 1: was like literally like speaking into like a microphone into
Speaker 1: my computer, and that was it. When I first came out,
Speaker 1: I started showing my face. A couple of weeks after that,
Speaker 1: I got hit with a personal email from to Hoody
Speaker 1: Lodge telling me due to my breaking you know, the
Speaker 1: oats or whatever and talking about the initiations on the
Speaker 1: Di Cult Rejects podcast or the n White Patriot podcast. Uh,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to pass this up to like the
Speaker 1: higher ups, and you're gonna have to be put on
Speaker 1: like probation for now and they're gonna have to decide
Speaker 1: what they want to do. And then a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks letter I get a letter in the mail saying
Speaker 1: that I've been kicked out of the order. I was like,
Speaker 1: I thought I was already gone, your fucking retodd the yo.
Speaker 1: They didn't even spell lodge right log Yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: they said to hoody loaje. I was like yo. And
Speaker 1: then the crazy thing is is the guy signs it
Speaker 1: with like a handwritten mencil sigil at the bottom. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, fuck you, I'll toss that shit out. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like high school when you send your girlfriend's about
Speaker 3: to break up with you.
Speaker 2: No, no, I want to break up. No, I was
Speaker 2: gonna break up with you.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, what is this? Come on? I
Speaker 1: was like whatever. Yeah, but yeah, so uh yeah that
Speaker 1: had that experience, oh man, yeah but yeah. So but
Speaker 1: they did take it down, Yes they did, So there
Speaker 1: must have been like again, like like I had said,
Speaker 1: that's how they do it. It's it's copyrighted. And what's
Speaker 1: even unfortunate is, like I was saying about all that
Speaker 1: stuff that that Lisa went and had, I mean, we
Speaker 1: have gigs and gigs and gigs of like just pictures
Speaker 1: of his handwriting. Yo, this dude is dropping the M
Speaker 1: bomb and saying stuff about gay people. I so badly
Speaker 1: want to like post that stuff on Twitter and like
Speaker 1: tag all like the far left, Oh to yo motherfucker's
Speaker 1: and be like, what do you think about your Lord
Speaker 1: and Savior now saying this shit about these people? He
Speaker 1: wasn't a fucking left hard either, you all you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: you can't show it because the same chick that slapped
Speaker 1: me the DMCA is in charge of that book's copyright
Speaker 1: fucking laws. I'm like, fuck, I can't ask this chick
Speaker 1: so tell me. Even if I want to cover it
Speaker 1: in a good sense, she probably wouldn't even let me,
Speaker 1: you know, just as educational, you know, because and but
Speaker 1: the same thing is, there's so much stuff in there
Speaker 1: that you would you'd be able to see, like what
Speaker 1: he's thinking about when you're writing that stuff, And it's
Speaker 1: a little bit deeper than I think most people would think.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give the guy credit, but like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you see pages of him doing math and
Speaker 1: putting words there and trying to figure it out. Telling
Speaker 1: the editor I want this letter, uh, this letter of capitalized.
Speaker 1: I mean he's even like, you know, capitalizing letters in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere for reasons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, esoteric kidding messages and jumatria and stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's probably what you learn once you get up to
Speaker 3: like the toilfth degree and all that. He was huge
Speaker 3: model that know that know this code because he's telling
Speaker 3: somebody something.
Speaker 1: In the Book of the Law. He tells you some
Speaker 1: sort of cipher that I do think there's something in there.
Speaker 1: He does tell you some sort of cipher in the
Speaker 1: Book of the Law. There's people I think it were
Speaker 1: called psychonouts or some people that I don't I might
Speaker 1: be wrong, but there's a like Alan Greenfield I think,
Speaker 1: like I think he might be one of them. I
Speaker 1: think there's some people out there that actually think that
Speaker 1: they kind of have figured out that like that cipher
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't know how truthul it is.
Speaker 3: But so with this oto, like in your opinion, is
Speaker 3: it kind of like like I talked about with the Kabbalah?
Speaker 3: Do you think that this is something that has uh
Speaker 3: influence on people of power of money, you know, superstars,
Speaker 3: and do you think maybe because you kind of hinted
Speaker 3: at it, but alm a dummy, you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: spill it out on me.
Speaker 1: I was too.
Speaker 3: So it's just like a you know, you think possibly
Speaker 3: like a controlled opposition, see I.
Speaker 2: Kind of mocking bird.
Speaker 3: They're creating this, you know, opposed opposition and getting their
Speaker 3: feelers out for this far left movement and kind of
Speaker 3: using this organization to.
Speaker 1: To some ends. Yeah. I think now at this point,
Speaker 1: I my opinion, I can even say just I know
Speaker 1: for a fact that at one point the FBI was
Speaker 1: inside the two Wooty lodge. They even know that, m
Speaker 1: and if they did their job right, you think they
Speaker 1: left and they didn't.
Speaker 2: When you say in the lodge, do you mean like they.
Speaker 1: Were they I don't know if exactly a member, but
Speaker 1: I was told by people that, like actual people who
Speaker 1: have like positions in there. They were talking that like
Speaker 1: it was after the thing and there's just some of
Speaker 1: us left over just bullshitting and I think we're actually
Speaker 1: bullshiting about conspiracy stuff, and like they were playing it
Speaker 1: off like this is how it came out again. The
Speaker 1: FBI even had somebody here for a while, coming and
Speaker 1: watching and they realized there was nothing. I don't know
Speaker 1: why believe it or not. A lot of them motherfuckers
Speaker 1: there thought that that ship wasn't really entertained. Like as
Speaker 1: we look at it as like the people running the
Speaker 1: world are into this shit, they actually believe it or
Speaker 1: not a lot of them didn't think that. So they're
Speaker 1: actually saying, how like silly that they actually it was
Speaker 1: more of like playing around, like oh yeah, the FBI
Speaker 1: even came here and realized like there's nothing much here,
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing with this stuff. I'm like, yo, you
Speaker 1: think they left m they may still be here, oh
Speaker 1: you know, fucking Kevin is and we seem to just manulate.
Speaker 1: It's to infiltrate, you know, because that's what they do.
Speaker 1: They infiltrate these biker gangs, all these different you know, organizations,
Speaker 1: because it's it's, uh, what's the word, I'm looking for
Speaker 1: a mole, you know, it's it's an access line to
Speaker 1: these organizations in the very least, just to monitor and
Speaker 1: observe and know what they're up to in the very least.
Speaker 1: You know. I even question though, sometimes even from a
Speaker 1: inception as soon as Crowley took it over, because like
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say it, but I mean,
Speaker 1: he was. He had a huge hand in giving us
Speaker 1: scientology as well, So you have to really start to wonder,
Speaker 1: like what he was. I do wonder if he was
Speaker 1: just into handing people's sy ups in a sense. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of something else that he was
Speaker 1: involved in too that was actually really shady. But I
Speaker 1: mean him and Jack's Parsons and were hugely influential with
Speaker 1: al Ron Hubbard with scientology, right, So I mean you
Speaker 1: have to even look at that. It's just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just my opinion. It may have been
Speaker 1: something at one point, but I do think, unfortunately, just
Speaker 1: my opinion, I do think it might be ran by well,
Speaker 1: you know, the Three Letter Agency. Now at this point,
Speaker 1: I think it might be very mk ultists or kind
Speaker 1: of like at least data mining, like just looking at
Speaker 1: people's behaviors and what they believe, how they act. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Very I don't I don't trust it because the thing is,
Speaker 1: after I had a magical experience, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: the vision that that place emulates matches a magical experience.
Speaker 1: If anything. I feel like, and again this could even
Speaker 1: be the people in the order itself. They highlight the handcuffs.
Speaker 1: So this makes no sense to me. You know, people
Speaker 1: like instead of like battling their demons, they look for
Speaker 1: reasons to like feed them in the Otoh, I'm working
Speaker 1: with my dark so you're fucking feeding into it. You're
Speaker 1: enjoying this shit. This is a very opposite direction of
Speaker 1: where I was going. And it's just like, is that
Speaker 1: all really natural? Or is this by design? You know?
Speaker 1: And like again when you hear you gotta start signing.
Speaker 1: This is another weird thing. I had a guy that
Speaker 1: was on my show that was like pretty much around
Speaker 1: to who he lodged from Inception, which I think was
Speaker 1: like in the seventies. He knew James Wasserman, who was
Speaker 1: the guy who started it. I had him on my
Speaker 1: show and he had even said, I don't know how
Speaker 1: high up he got and maybe for Allly Knowlwa's freestyle,
Speaker 1: and he said, I told him that I had somebody
Speaker 1: that was on my show that it was like an
Speaker 1: x tenth degree from the OTO. I gotta mentioned think, Oh,
Speaker 1: call Abrahams or whatever, it doesn't matter. He was on
Speaker 1: my show twice. I actually suggests people to listen to
Speaker 1: this show because I really didn't. I wasn't badgering him
Speaker 1: when he came on to talk about a book. But
Speaker 1: he actually admits some really weird fucking shit. So go
Speaker 1: go look, listen to this guy show. We'll be like
Speaker 1: cal Abrahamson. It was one of his It was on
Speaker 1: one of his books. Yeah, the guy actually talks about
Speaker 1: working with the dude from the Processed Church Genesis p Orge,
Speaker 1: trying to make non binary people with surgery and rituals.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yo, you just said what you know,
Speaker 1: because it was like you had to think like he
Speaker 1: was on for a book. I know he's in a cultist,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't coming at him like a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, you know, you're another occultist.
Speaker 1: Just talk about your book, you know. And so when
Speaker 1: he I guess he probably felt like, you know, totally
Speaker 1: open or whatever, and he just started saying that shit,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, Brody, like that shit's really I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: you just said that, you know what I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people look at that like we all think
Speaker 1: that's real, that we all think that shit happens, But
Speaker 1: like somebody just fucking told me it's real. Now I'm
Speaker 1: just like wow, yeah, and you see it was like
Speaker 1: nothing to him. Oh yeah, I was just like, whoa me.
Speaker 1: At least we're both like y they we're like both
Speaker 1: trying to like ask more questions about it without acting
Speaker 1: like we're like being nosy now because we're just like,
Speaker 1: what the did you just have no idea? Along? Yeah? Wait,
Speaker 1: you know what you're talking about a little more.
Speaker 2: What was your opinion?
Speaker 1: But I forgot. So what I'm getting is this guy
Speaker 1: Paul tells me that if you're the tenth he's like,
Speaker 1: I find out how to believe he left cause he's like,
Speaker 1: if you become a tenth degree member, he's like, then
Speaker 1: you actually start splitting everything that everybody's put into the
Speaker 1: lodge with the people in the tenth degree. He's like, so,
Speaker 1: why would you want to give that up when you
Speaker 1: actually started getting a piece of the pie? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so, oh, I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: But if you go up to the tenth degree supposed
Speaker 1: to lead now everything that you've handed over in the
Speaker 1: seventh or eighth everybody who went higher and stayed lower,
Speaker 1: you own their ship now. Usually everybody like a partner
Speaker 1: in the organization. Yeah, became a pyramid scheme.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, but do you just talk about that transgender stuff,
Speaker 3: he said, and he mentioned that, you know a lot
Speaker 3: of people think that's something new. That ain't nothing new, man.
Speaker 3: I mean if you go read like the ancient texts
Speaker 3: and stuff, the the temple prostitutes like Anna and a
Speaker 3: lot of these fertility gods and goddesses and stuff. They
Speaker 3: had the eunuchs. I mean they were, you know, men
Speaker 3: were snipping their balls off and becoming these transgenders and
Speaker 3: doing these transitions back in ancient times.
Speaker 2: You know, nothing new, right, Well, they're.
Speaker 1: Doing any Game of Thrones. Yeah no, but you're right,
Speaker 1: that is that is They've been doing that for a
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah. Yeah. Then that guy that I had
Speaker 1: on I think the thing he had a book because
Speaker 1: he did end up meeting Anton Levy, Genesis Perege, and
Speaker 1: uh there was some other person like well known, huge
Speaker 1: of cold this he got to like actually meet all
Speaker 1: these people like he had to be up there, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right. Oh the other guy from uh
Speaker 1: oh man, the Typhoon, the typhony in order, Kenneth Grant,
Speaker 1: I mean like he met all Yeah, that was that
Speaker 1: was like his book was like I met all these
Speaker 1: three people and like, this is my story. So like
Speaker 1: when like the book company hit me up and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, this actually sounds interesting. I'll get
Speaker 1: them on. He drops that ship about Genesis p Origin
Speaker 1: trying to make non in binary people. I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Yeah, damn dude, how was it ready? People?
Speaker 1: Gotta watch the video. You probably see Lisa's face like
Speaker 1: whoa like and like what do I say? Now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's that phrase you used?
Speaker 2: Fake the stink?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got I had to fake the funk
Speaker 1: on that one. Yeah, yeah, fake the fuck. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, don't switch over to Conspiracy THEORI this morning
Speaker 1: and be like what the fuck you just said? I'm
Speaker 1: just interviewing them about the book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I just felt settling in that
Speaker 3: groove and just nod your head and smile.
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh. I'm like, how much longer do
Speaker 1: I have to wait to try to come back to
Speaker 1: that tonight? Make it look obvious I'm interested. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you you know, you'd probably understand what would be
Speaker 1: going on through you there.
Speaker 3: A few times, Yeah, it's over my head and just
Speaker 3: be like, okay, I'll play it cool. And then I
Speaker 3: was just lightly probe for the people watching it maybe
Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking about because you go a
Speaker 3: little deeper. Yeah, I'm told all myself. Guys, now, if
Speaker 3: you've heard you say that on the episode, I was
Speaker 3: out of my depth.
Speaker 1: Cool, So I'm sure we all have her.
Speaker 2: I blamed it on you, the listener.
Speaker 1: Oh that is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Nick man, i'd really appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, I had all.
Speaker 2: Your time and stuff, but but i'd love to.
Speaker 1: Have you back, of course. Yeah, we gotta get you
Speaker 1: pick your brain.
Speaker 3: On some more of this stuff, you know, And honestly,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind to dive into some of those characters
Speaker 3: that you talked about, and because that's just once again,
Speaker 3: that's something I have a very surface level view on.
Speaker 3: And if I can take a shortcut and pick your
Speaker 3: brain who's done the deep dives and knows all this stuff,
Speaker 3: you can save me a lot of time and read.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want to know. Brother, Just let me know.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it great time.
Speaker 3: Hey before we go, just hell, let everybody know where
Speaker 3: they can find your show websites. Anything you want to
Speaker 3: plug and where they can find your stuff, and I'll
Speaker 3: be sure to have that in the description.
Speaker 1: Also, oh awesome, thank you. I have everything on one
Speaker 1: link tree. We do have the ocult Rejects on YouTube,
Speaker 1: rumble Bit, Shoot and all major podcasts, and we do
Speaker 1: have if you like to read, we have a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff on a cult Research Institute dot org that
Speaker 1: has a lot of occult rejects and even some people
Speaker 1: that are a part of the occult Rejects, like Symbolic
Speaker 1: Studies and a couple of other people. We have a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff up there like Jamatra ty Cabala Science
Speaker 1: I mean, and then we have like lists of other
Speaker 1: occultists from the past and even some episodes up we've
Speaker 1: done on the occult rejects we have turned to like
Speaker 1: took our notes and basically made posts on them. It's
Speaker 1: got tons of different stuff's on there by tons of
Speaker 1: different people. It's totally free. Go check it out. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're into reading, there's definitely stuff they'll learn. Occult
Speaker 1: Research Institute dot org. That's it, thank you brother. Awesome. Well,
Speaker 1: I know you do a lot of lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have like a set schedule that you can
Speaker 3: let them know what days to get day, tune into
Speaker 3: the live and interact with you.
Speaker 1: That is true. Yes, I was gonna say no, but
Speaker 1: I forgot Fridays. That is obviously on every Friday. I
Speaker 1: do have Fridays where that's me and we've had you
Speaker 1: on there before. Me and jj Vans from Operation GCD
Speaker 1: we do a show together on Fridays and Thursday nights.
Speaker 1: I normally do something with Headless that could be anywhere
Speaker 1: between seven and eight thirty at night on Thursday nights,
Speaker 1: we do If anybody's got any interesting, weird, strange, power,
Speaker 1: normal occult stories, you can send him to Headless Giant
Speaker 1: Podcast at gmail dot com and we'll read about it
Speaker 1: on the show. And then we also cover like two
Speaker 1: glypts or a sigil like one each, real basic talking
Speaker 1: about five minutes. He was like a sigil, some weird
Speaker 1: of cult alphabet or something that maybe people don't know about.
Speaker 1: This is who made it, this is what it means.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, And that's a short, informational and weird bill.
Speaker 1: Check it out Thursday nights. Thank you, nice, awesome, awesome check.
Speaker 3: Out Nick stuff because I mean Nick knows his stuff
Speaker 3: and you can like I was saying, you take a
Speaker 3: shortcut and save yourself a lot of time and reading
Speaker 3: and you can just pick these guys brains and stuff.
Speaker 3: And Nick's an awesome guy. He's been so good to me.
Speaker 3: We always talking on the Instagram and stuff, and he's
Speaker 3: had me on his show twice. And he actually, you know,
Speaker 3: has a rotation of Christians and stuff come on his show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he said, hot, he love on there.
Speaker 3: He's had Brandon Wallace from Truth and Shadow, so you know,
Speaker 3: he's you know, rotating a lot of Christian views and
Speaker 3: stuff round table. So, oh, guys would enjoy the show.
Speaker 1: I will even say, you know again, I come from
Speaker 1: a Christian Catholic background. I very much still go back
Speaker 1: to that, you know, So I'm we're very open to
Speaker 1: all views and we have yes, we do have Catholics
Speaker 1: and Christians on our show all the time actually, so
Speaker 1: we're all accepting.
Speaker 3: So thank you. Yeah, well, guys, be sure to check
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Speaker 3: next time, guys, just remember the difference between the known
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