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Speaker 1: Mhmm, what's up, good people? Touchdowns and Tangents here from Hawthorne, California.
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Speaker 1: Touchdowns and Tangents. I'm PD Camery and he is Ken James,
Speaker 1: and we are your Thursday night spot for NFL takes
Speaker 1: topical tangents for the culture used to be live but
Speaker 1: a shout out to speaker for messing that up.
Speaker 4: So should we say Thursday Night?
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're kind of recording a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1: Normally we'd be able to talk about the thunder game,
Speaker 1: but now it's happenings as we're recording. So outside of that,
Speaker 1: I mean, the news of the day is obviously Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers finally committing to a teams. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: people applying the move saying tomlin is that's what Tomin needs.
Speaker 1: A veteran quarterback, do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean it'd be interesting because they just gave him
Speaker 2: the playbook ahead of time. It's just like, yeah, Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers don't need to be a mini camp. You need
Speaker 2: to make who's gonna play left guard? Because honestly, I
Speaker 2: think they should just move Braxton Jones back to left
Speaker 2: tackle and Troy Fantano should should have been a right guard,
Speaker 2: a left guard out the gate the way they originally
Speaker 2: planned it. The right tackle situation I think is pretty good.
Speaker 2: They took two old linements back to back. So yeah,
Speaker 2: back to Jones because I think he's been playing left
Speaker 2: and right. But uh, I think he should just be
Speaker 2: the guy left tackle because I'm sorry towards a c
Speaker 2: L he's only like six to four damn near hair
Speaker 2: over six three, Like, bro you should you should be
Speaker 2: playing left guard and it would enhance the overall toive
Speaker 2: line because they already have their guy at at center
Speaker 2: and they got the skill players. I think you gotta
Speaker 2: bringing a guy like Karon Rodgers. Really it was just
Speaker 2: counting down. There shouldn't be any mistakes.
Speaker 1: My whole thing is, is this Pittsburgh team any better
Speaker 1: than the Jets last year? Even if the Jets might
Speaker 1: have been the best, if the Jets would have been
Speaker 1: operating at full capacity from week one to Week sixteen,
Speaker 1: I think they would have been better. And also if
Speaker 1: they would have had Adams earlier, I think they would
Speaker 1: have been better. So I don't know about that. They
Speaker 1: also playing a really tough division. I mean, we know
Speaker 1: what the Ravens and the Bengals are gonna bring. The
Speaker 1: Browns I think are still going to be real competitive.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know what to expect for Steeler fans,
Speaker 1: but I know they're gonna be excited. They're gonna be pumped.
Speaker 1: They're gonna spend money on jerseys and tickets and things
Speaker 1: of that nature, so good for them. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: annoying and talk shit, but that's what they do anyway.
Speaker 1: So I just don't know if it's going to be
Speaker 1: any better than I mean, even even last year's Pittsburgh team,
Speaker 1: like they made the playoffs, So what Rogers maybe makes
Speaker 1: a one game difference on that team. He had a
Speaker 1: whole turnover at skilled physicians. They're really just turning that
Speaker 1: whole offense over offen.
Speaker 4: Why I was injured.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's about the same situation except the head coach.
Speaker 2: So if Mike Tomlin could get them to the playoffs
Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, Aaron Rodgers can hold
Speaker 2: his own. He proved he had a great he had
Speaker 2: one of the best years.
Speaker 1: That's ironic. To win the Super Bowl against the Steelers
Speaker 1: and then win the Super Bowl with the Steelers.
Speaker 4: That'd be hilarious.
Speaker 2: And Tomlin might retire after that, but Aaron Rodgers could
Speaker 2: definitely retire after that. But honestly, they might end up
Speaker 2: trading TJ. Wak because that man wants to get paid.
Speaker 2: He hasn't even been at OTAs, So imagine trading TJ
Speaker 2: wat because you don't want to. But it's the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2: They just developed all pro air rushers no matter who
Speaker 2: they draft, who they signed, anything else.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about, anything else, we need to
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 2: Well, Frank Ragnall retired the Lion Center, All Pro, four
Speaker 2: time Pro Bowler. He retired after seven years about Arkansas
Speaker 2: and he helped usher in a new error for Lions football.
Speaker 4: He was everything that was bad.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised he didn't last a full ten years, but honestly,
Speaker 2: Andrews were really beating his body down. And for sinners,
Speaker 2: I feel like sinners take a lot of abuse and
Speaker 2: nobody really cares to talk about. And yes, I was
Speaker 2: a former center and tackle high school, played multiple spots,
Speaker 2: so I understand the beating of the Lions have a
Speaker 2: replacement on oh yeah, and they can also go sign
Speaker 2: old boy.
Speaker 4: The Raiders cut if they really needed a center. And Smith,
Speaker 4: Andre was Andre Miller. That's Andre. It was Andre Smith.
Speaker 1: We know we're talking about what's his name.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm Andre James, the Spencer James because
Speaker 2: you know, on all Americans that was horrible out running
Speaker 2: and Andre James was kind of horrible and some things.
Speaker 2: But whatever, crazy how he was a tackle in college
Speaker 2: and made his money as a center.
Speaker 4: But I could see, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing about playing center is it's a lot
Speaker 1: of stress on your knees. It's like being a catcher
Speaker 1: because you gotta be in your stands the longest, longer
Speaker 1: than anyone else.
Speaker 2: And people don't realize how flexible centers are, how how flexible, how.
Speaker 1: Strong they are. Look at Nigga Mango. I always think
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 4: Hand eye coordination to.
Speaker 2: Hand eye coordination for a center from snap to different
Speaker 2: people pressing their hands against your nether regions.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like the lines, the one thing
Speaker 1: they do is they always keep centering. Let's just sit
Speaker 1: there thinking about they always find into your linement.
Speaker 2: Think about the life of a center. Bro, Someone's like
Speaker 2: hitting you in the gooch a thousand times a game, like, bro, Like,
Speaker 2: that's why they have like the.
Speaker 4: Core muscle injuries.
Speaker 2: That's why these guys lose all that weight they have
Speaker 2: to you're gonna die like it effects. Like people don't
Speaker 2: really talk about the effects that playing offensive line has
Speaker 2: on the human body. And I'm not even like I know,
Speaker 2: like you know, we'd be laughing and joking to be stick.
Speaker 2: But no, as a former center, like playing tackle was
Speaker 2: so much easier on my body than playing center because
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, at tackle, it's a foot it's a
Speaker 2: foot knee thing.
Speaker 4: It's your feet and your knees.
Speaker 2: Do your feet in your knees work in unison, Okay,
Speaker 2: then then you'll be all right, you don't really get much,
Speaker 2: not gonna get a lot, maybe some hip injuries. But
Speaker 2: it also depends on you, know, how physical you play,
Speaker 2: the type of player you are. Some guys are all
Speaker 2: finessed with technique, and some guys will just start a
Speaker 2: fight at one end of a restaurant and end up
Speaker 2: in the parking lot.
Speaker 4: It just varies.
Speaker 2: But at center, it's just like, hey, you're at the
Speaker 2: center of a car crash.
Speaker 1: Every play, well, you're the start of the car crash.
Speaker 1: Everything starts.
Speaker 4: You're the car. You're actually the car.
Speaker 2: You're the one who's gonna get a hit at like
Speaker 2: seventy miles an hour by a blitzing linebacker that runs
Speaker 2: a four three forty and Vida Veya standing in front
Speaker 2: of you. So good luck with that, because getting hit
Speaker 2: that that's including was like getting hit in the chest
Speaker 2: with the slave Jamer even in high school.
Speaker 4: Bro like the beating a center takes.
Speaker 2: That's why like centers and fullbacks and de tackles just
Speaker 2: have special places in my heart.
Speaker 4: Because only the three of us.
Speaker 2: Really know how badly we fuck each other up, like
Speaker 2: we do destructive life altering damage to each other in
Speaker 2: the trenches, and we still manage to have a moral code.
Speaker 2: That's so it's like Frank Ragnall, one of the pro
Speaker 2: one of the truest professionals, one of the best Line,
Speaker 2: the best centers in Line's history, which is saying a
Speaker 2: lot because they've had a couple so you know, I'm
Speaker 2: glad he's retiring Joy's money, Joyce family, and he helped
Speaker 2: turn a franchise around, so good for him. But Dan
Speaker 2: Morgan Dan Campbell was like, we love Frank, but the
Speaker 2: goal is the goal.
Speaker 4: We gotta keep moving.
Speaker 2: Next man up, So it'll be interested to see if
Speaker 2: they go get Andre James though. I think that'd be
Speaker 2: ideal if they they got guys on that roster who
Speaker 2: can play multiple spots, so it would be interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Uh, moving on. I think this week's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lightning episode. But uh, college football, Kenny
Speaker 1: take it away.
Speaker 2: Uh, Well, the whole bowl schedule came out. The bowl
Speaker 2: schedule for this upcoming year came out. The Bahamas Bowl
Speaker 2: isn't gonna be playing in the Bahamas for like the
Speaker 2: third year in a row.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be pissed if I go to the Bahamas
Speaker 2: Bowl and weird in fucking Kentucky or something.
Speaker 4: I'm swinging on somebody.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: There is also.
Speaker 2: More talks, especially going to the media day, especially the
Speaker 2: SEC set of record in the College Baseball World Series
Speaker 2: for most teams eliminated in the first round or something
Speaker 2: like that, some crazy ass number.
Speaker 4: But yeah, back to college football.
Speaker 2: So people are already talking up Arch Manning, you know,
Speaker 2: so though he's gonna be the greatest thing since SI
Speaker 2: spread this year, and you know, people are kind of
Speaker 2: talking Tomack, especially when it comes to just the draft prospects.
Speaker 4: Like you can already see like the negative.
Speaker 2: I don't like the negative energy already around this next
Speaker 2: year's QB glass. I don't like it. It's like, so
Speaker 2: if Arch plays bad and still classic clarifiers for the draft,
Speaker 2: they'll still say he's the top pick, but been by
Speaker 2: way of maintaining his legitimacy, is the top pick.
Speaker 4: They're gonna shoot on every quarterback in the class, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, they Caleb Williams was a consensus go,
Speaker 2: but you have to you had to consider Michael Pennick Jr.
Speaker 2: All these other guys, you know, like you have to
Speaker 2: be like, hey, they actually might be really great too,
Speaker 2: and just the energy around that it's weird. People are
Speaker 2: just always acting weird around these top prospects.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the first college football game.
Speaker 2: Between Michael Vick and Deshaun Jackson, Uh, it got moved to.
Speaker 4: An NFL stadium.
Speaker 1: That's dope.
Speaker 2: That's dope, Norfolk State and uh Delaware State old HBCUs
Speaker 2: shout out to Travis Clark, who's he is the head
Speaker 2: coach at Delaware State under coach Jackson, it got moved.
Speaker 2: They're both Eagles teammates, so they're gonna reunite at Lincoln
Speaker 2: Financial Field because due to increased fan interest, they're gonna
Speaker 2: play that game October thirtieth in the Eagles Stadium. And
Speaker 2: it's crazy because VIC and De'shaun Jackson had pretty legendary runs.
Speaker 4: It's Eagles.
Speaker 2: I think Deshaun Jackson is one of the most explosive,
Speaker 2: probably arguably one of the top five players in Eagles history.
Speaker 2: Sehaun Jackson was that important to the Eagles. I put
Speaker 2: him above Held Carmichael, I put him above Shandy McCoy. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I think it's it's him. I think you kind of
Speaker 2: gotta say t o, but not really I'm gonna throw
Speaker 2: him at that. I'm ana throw McNabb, I say, McNabb, McCoy.
Speaker 4: Trying to think of.
Speaker 2: Eagles defensive players, it's kind of tough pretty much. You're
Speaker 2: talking about Vic Michael Viking to Sean Jackson because they're
Speaker 2: both former Eagles playing their first college game or whatever,
Speaker 2: playing in at Eagles Stadium, and it's like, okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Sean Jackson one of the greatest Eagles of all time,
Speaker 2: arkably top five.
Speaker 1: So now you're naming off the top Eagles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like McNab, McCoy, Vic, Brian Dawkins, No,
Speaker 2: those dudes aren't even top five.
Speaker 1: McCoy, I'm that's gonna like Jalen's in the top five
Speaker 1: now because you want to ring.
Speaker 2: Damn that's true. So are we taking McNab out completely.
Speaker 1: Nab might barely be. He's got to be in the
Speaker 1: top five.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's going to.
Speaker 2: Be one QB and there's Randall Cunningham too. Mccunningham never
Speaker 2: won a ring.
Speaker 1: It's it's her, it's her, and then.
Speaker 4: Mc georski's like fourth.
Speaker 2: I guess now, Vick is I don't see that's that's crazy, though,
Speaker 2: like that's really think about the top five players from
Speaker 2: the Eagles, and obviously Dawkins is up there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Trey Thomas has to be up there.
Speaker 1: And they had a bunch of other eighty eights and
Speaker 1: eighty nine players that you won't even remember. Had Troy
Speaker 1: Vincent Simon was eighty nine couple of years.
Speaker 4: John Curse that one year.
Speaker 1: T Yeah, Trent Cole was good for like two years.
Speaker 2: Arguably you kind of have you have to consider too,
Speaker 2: just because he literally was the first damn a knocked
Speaker 2: the hell out Graham.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brandon Graham's lane Johnson.
Speaker 2: So it's like, damn, we're gonna have to reconfigure that
Speaker 2: that that Eagles Mount Rushmore because Jayden's on it now.
Speaker 1: All right, well, this is college football.
Speaker 2: So also for the I'm pulling up the schedule because
Speaker 2: I was gonna I want to point out something. So
Speaker 2: the last game of it, the Cotton Bowl is going
Speaker 2: to be December thirty first, seven thirty pm Eastern time.
Speaker 2: The Orange Bowls, Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl are gonna be
Speaker 2: played January first. The Fiesta Bowl and the Peach Bowl
Speaker 2: are hosting the semifinals. They're gonna be played on January
Speaker 2: eighth and January ninth, and the National Championship game is
Speaker 2: January nineteenth. They're probably gonna move the rose ball up
Speaker 2: to five to.
Speaker 4: Two pm kickoff.
Speaker 2: And there's more concerns about Bill Belichick's girlfriend, slash hander
Speaker 2: Jordan Hudson. More and more stories keep coming out. He
Speaker 2: keeps saying everything's fine. People are like, she's controlling everything
Speaker 2: he does, and if the tar Hills aren't good, I
Speaker 2: don't know how he justifies keeping his job two years,
Speaker 2: like they can't be trashed, and yo, Broad is in
Speaker 2: here causing a stir. She has no qualifications.
Speaker 4: Even be in the position she's in.
Speaker 2: Likes some of the kids on this team are twenty
Speaker 2: four not kids, but shit, young man. And if if media,
Speaker 2: if she starts pisching off local media, something's gonna come out.
Speaker 2: This is a dangerous game that she's playing, a dangerous
Speaker 2: game that they're both playing.
Speaker 4: And I hope they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't really look like it. And then oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Dion made sure to talk about Uh. He's like, you know,
Speaker 2: people making up things about my son. He said, my
Speaker 2: son has six coordinate different coordinators, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: He shut up unprepared. He's the all time passing leader
Speaker 2: at two different schools. So I'm glad Dion calls shit out.
Speaker 2: So Villanold Football is exiting the CIA and they're gonna
Speaker 2: join the Patriot League. Michigan offered twenty twenty safety Charles
Speaker 2: Woodson Junior. Yes you heard me say that right. M
Speaker 2: Michigan just offered Charles Woodson Junior, a twenty twenty seven
Speaker 2: prospect a scholarship. Charles Woodson is his dad. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: We are living in the matrix, bro Like Charles Wilson,
Speaker 2: got a whole grown ass kid damn about to be
Speaker 2: a high school recruit. Mark Ingram cam Newton, r G
Speaker 2: Three and Dominance are on the Hall of Fame a
Speaker 2: college football Hall of Fame ballot.
Speaker 4: Who who do you think should be put on first?
Speaker 1: You mean?
Speaker 2: So the ballot got released seventy nine players and nine coaches,
Speaker 2: and those are some of the four people are just
Speaker 2: named mark Ingram cam Newton, Robert Griffith, the third, and
Speaker 2: the Dominance two. Three of those guys won the Heisman
Speaker 2: and two I think finished second and.
Speaker 1: Third in the high Schoo't they all get in?
Speaker 4: Because there's only a limited number who gets in, not
Speaker 4: everybody gets in.
Speaker 2: And then that College Football Hall of Fame changed the
Speaker 2: rule on winning percentage, making Mike Leak, Mike uh Mike
Speaker 2: Leach eligible for the Hall of Fame. Now they got
Speaker 2: to fix had ten year rules. So Pete Carroll can
Speaker 2: be eligible for the College Fotball Hall of Fame because
Speaker 2: he actually isn't oh Eric be enemies on the list,
Speaker 2: Des Bryant because Johnny Carter, Aaron Donald, Marvin Harrison, Josh Heipel,
Speaker 2: James Laernidis, Ryan Lee, Marshawn Lynch, Simeon Rice, Peter Warrick,
Speaker 2: Brad Banks is also on that list. Your boy Brad Banks,
Speaker 2: Larry Cocher, Gary Patterson, Chris Peterson and coaches. Those are
Speaker 2: just some of the three. Leech died in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: He had a He had a five sixty five ninety
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty eight wins hundred and seven losses
Speaker 2: at Texas, Texas Tech, Washington State, Mississippi State, and so
Speaker 2: they announced the eligibility criteria for coaches to be considered.
Speaker 2: So it went from a animum career winning percentage of
Speaker 2: six hundred to five ninety five starting in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 4: So that's why Mike Leags.
Speaker 2: Is eligible now because he has a five ninety six
Speaker 2: literally a thousandth yeah, thousandth of a point over the
Speaker 2: limit just to be there. And he went eighteen games
Speaker 2: against top twenty five opponents.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's a big gust.
Speaker 1: I feel like they should all get in. This is
Speaker 1: college football. Man cares no.
Speaker 4: It matters college football. Fame definitely matters.
Speaker 1: Not saying it doesn't matter. I'm just saying this, it
Speaker 1: really matter that much. Yes, some of your golts are
Speaker 1: in it. And if Brad Banks then you're gonna be
Speaker 1: really happy. Yeah, it'll be dope anything else. That's it.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to touchdowner and turnover. All right?
Speaker 1: The Ravens extended uh Rason Amen touchdown turnover touchdown three
Speaker 1: years thirty six point like two five or two nine million.
Speaker 2: Honestly, he played, he showed this year that he can
Speaker 2: play like a number one receiver. He showed he can
Speaker 2: he can be a threat in this offense, and with
Speaker 2: him being in the deep threat that he.
Speaker 4: Can be your intermediate receiver.
Speaker 2: You got DeAndre Hopkins, you got Ja Flowers, you got
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews, you got all these different receivers, and you
Speaker 2: got running backs and Derrick Henry and you know, Keith
Speaker 2: Mitchell and then Lamar himself. I think there's no reason
Speaker 2: why you don't want to break up that symmetry unless
Speaker 2: you knew you were gonna trade him for a better receiver.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying. Davronte didn't go to the Ravens, but
Speaker 2: I get it. And Hopkins is there, Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 2: she's yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think it's a touchdown
Speaker 1: for him. I don't know about the Ravens. Something about
Speaker 1: the Ravens. It's just where receivers go to. Plateau, not Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Zay Flowers is expected to be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent this year. They brought in the Hopkins. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got two elite tight ends. You got Lamar, who's
Speaker 1: a running thread. You got Henry back there. Did they
Speaker 1: draft another running back too? So there's only so many
Speaker 1: touches to go around. But in theory, it's a good
Speaker 1: value thirteen million for a dude who is, at the
Speaker 1: worst a solid number two receiver and potentially a number
Speaker 1: one receiver. And really he's been kind of the consistent
Speaker 1: one throughout all the changes they've had in that receiver
Speaker 1: room over the past few years. Yeah, man, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely a touchdown for him and get your bread, Like,
Speaker 1: why not? H Ice. Huff was officially traded to the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers this week. Touchdown or turnover?
Speaker 2: You, Mike touchdown for the simple fact that the Eagles
Speaker 2: weren't gonna pay him and he didn't really produce and
Speaker 2: they already have better addressers than him, and the Niners
Speaker 2: really need somebody outside of Bosa because Drake Jackson didn't
Speaker 2: work and you did take an head rusher and I
Speaker 2: think the first round or whatever. Oh yeah, this is
Speaker 2: Jaalen Walker. I think it doesn't help to have Bryce Huff.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, emergency had Drusher, stand up,
Speaker 2: edge guy.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to do? Touchdown? Turnover? If not,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on to take attention, all right, man.
Speaker 1: So Carl Nasib had his jersey place Nassive. Carl Nassive
Speaker 1: had his jersey featured at the Smithsonian this past week.
Speaker 1: He is the first actively active opening gay player to
Speaker 1: be featured. He retired, Yeah, he retired, but I guess
Speaker 1: this jersey he came out before he retired whatever. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, ye read it just as the headline
Speaker 1: said it. So I always said it must have been right,
Speaker 1: just saying but you gotta take your tangent on that.
Speaker 4: Uh. Great for him.
Speaker 2: I just do want to point out every time somebody
Speaker 2: allegedly makes history, they always give credit to the white dude,
Speaker 2: and nobody wants to bring Michael Sam anywhere. But whatever,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna acknowledge Carl nashif you have to acknowledge
Speaker 2: all the other gay players before him. And but I'm
Speaker 2: glad that episode of the Pivot came out because when
Speaker 2: he said, he's like, hey, stop runing those gas bootlegs,
Speaker 2: and then the whole Brown's off the lines like hey,
Speaker 2: we don't talk like that here.
Speaker 4: That's not cool.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, we've been ready, we got allies. Like,
Speaker 2: it's not that big a deal in locker rooms. People
Speaker 2: make it a point of contention elsewhere.
Speaker 4: But that's society.
Speaker 2: We make stuff that's not a big deal to people
Speaker 2: that it actually affects. Like we tend to kind of
Speaker 2: want to make everything an.
Speaker 4: Argument, sadly, but yeah, that's dope. I'm glad. I'm happy
Speaker 4: for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean once the Raider or is the Raiders
Speaker 1: so goddamn right. Good for him, good for the Silver
Speaker 1: and Black once again showing the culture of.
Speaker 4: Change for former Penn State defensive linemen.
Speaker 1: Moving on, take your tangent all the hype coming out
Speaker 1: of Raiders Camp. I mean, I think if you've been
Speaker 1: anywhere on social media, you've been seeing all the social
Speaker 1: media buzz with Pete Carroll and Silver and Black going
Speaker 1: out there playing QB wrestling in warm ups, rapping, doing
Speaker 1: all types of stuff and just really providing energy. All
Speaker 1: all the players have been really high on it, saying
Speaker 1: they can feel a noticeable difference. I think Austin Power
Speaker 1: Johnson said it's the best practices he's been in whatever.
Speaker 1: Power Jackson, Yeah. Max Crosby said he's loved it, but yeah, man,
Speaker 1: take her attention on Pete Carroll's coaching actists at seventy three.
Speaker 4: His coaching acumen. Yeah, shout out to.
Speaker 1: Jackson, Powers Johnson, Jackson Powers Johnson, Thank you JPJ.
Speaker 4: It helps.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen less talk about players looking like
Speaker 2: shit in practice. They show video where Gino Smith took
Speaker 2: a rep from Cam Miller to throw to Austin Gent
Speaker 2: Ashton genty and I.
Speaker 4: Just think they're.
Speaker 2: They definitely don't need hard knocks right now, but it
Speaker 2: would be interesting to see. Like, I think the energy
Speaker 2: in that building is like just on one side of
Speaker 2: the ball anymore like some sometimes on teams you're like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, only one side of the ball, Like only
Speaker 2: the defense brings the energy. Yeah, no, I only the offense.
Speaker 2: I think it's like no, no, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 2: really what his job is.
Speaker 1: I feel like he just kind of lets the other
Speaker 1: guys do the scheme and he's.
Speaker 4: Just make sure the effort is up effort and intensity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really crazy that he's still able
Speaker 1: to have that impact at his age and go out there,
Speaker 1: especially as someone who's just out here coaching kids, like
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of energy out of you, and
Speaker 1: the preparation that it takes to do it at that
Speaker 1: level is insane. So the fact that he's doing it
Speaker 1: at his age and doing it at such a high level,
Speaker 1: well makes were excited to be a Raider fan.
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, Bud Dupree, I guess he's only
Speaker 2: year twelve. He sorry signed one year deal up to
Speaker 2: six million with the Chargers.
Speaker 4: They also have col Mac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a touchdown.
Speaker 1: But my take is also that why wouldn't you bring
Speaker 1: him back? Everyone was raving about how great of a
Speaker 1: presence he was in camp and in practices, and he
Speaker 1: really gives you a third guy after Tuley and after
Speaker 1: mac mac has injuries or you want to slide to
Speaker 1: Lee inside, you can bring Dupree in as well. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot you can do with him. He's a
Speaker 1: great veteran presence. Why not?
Speaker 2: Did you call it a touchdown? And then he went
Speaker 2: on a tangent I would take but yeah, take a
Speaker 2: cool So I was like, what the hell, what the helly.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna say about it?
Speaker 4: Interesting? But he had six sacks, so it makes sense
Speaker 4: second on the team in sacks.
Speaker 2: Why not else he's gonna go. He's you know, David
Speaker 2: clown He can learn any thing or two from him.
Speaker 2: But I feel like they might end up signing Clowney though, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's what you got on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean really smart contract for the Chargers, third cheap, the.
Speaker 2: Fact that he's been in the league so long, Like
Speaker 2: he's been in the league so long. Josh Allen, who
Speaker 2: came in after him and also played a Kentucky broke
Speaker 2: his record for the most sacks. It's cool history because
Speaker 2: first it was Bud Dubree and then Zach Allen. I
Speaker 2: forget the extension to his last name.
Speaker 1: Uh. Von Miller says he still wants to play. You
Speaker 1: gotta take your attention on that.
Speaker 4: It might be over. I want you want to be
Speaker 4: a chief.
Speaker 1: Fuck it.
Speaker 2: He's been a Bronco fucky, maybe a raider fucking I'm
Speaker 2: down maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: Just maybe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hiking.
Speaker 1: Uh Pader, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're spots for him.
Speaker 1: People always need addressers. He still wants to play. Let
Speaker 1: them in play. He's in the right as long as
Speaker 1: it's his body allows him to at least, and he
Speaker 1: wants to man hold on back. All right, anything else, fair.
Speaker 2: Faid, Wait, Carl Sun is trying to actually bust out
Speaker 2: late ideas.
Speaker 1: All right, fair Fay. Cam Scataboo said, oh god, he
Speaker 1: hated Russell with Wilson when he was with the Seahawks
Speaker 1: because he was a forty nine er fan.
Speaker 4: You said, camp Scattaboo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now they're in the same backfield, is that? Fair faid?
Speaker 2: Cam's Cattibo's on the Giant. Oh yeah, shit, he's on
Speaker 2: the Giants. Damn, that's crazy. So he hated him.
Speaker 1: He hated him like he went on Twitter rats about
Speaker 1: him and dad. Why because he's a Niner fan.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's it from other California. I mean, yeah, rookie,
Speaker 2: don't fuck up, don't miss a blocking assignment.
Speaker 4: Better be best friends with Jamis. I just didn't like that
Speaker 4: cran Jass.
Speaker 2: Interview he did with I'm and Ra where he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I got some ghetto in me. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do you? Who are you attributing ghetto this to mhm,
Speaker 2: your black.
Speaker 4: Teammates or you.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people use words they they don't really mean to mean,
Speaker 2: like they don't mean to say. And I would just
Speaker 2: need that clarified if I'm the locker room, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: just because you got a fade or a taper and
Speaker 2: you like hip hop, white boy, don't mean don't don't
Speaker 2: get too comfortable, because the white boys get comfortable, then
Speaker 2: they slip out the nigga and it's like, all right now,
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta break your clasical because you wanted
Speaker 2: to be stupid.
Speaker 4: You just have to suck it up, but now he
Speaker 4: seemed cool.
Speaker 1: But you know, but is it fair for someone to
Speaker 1: hate you like that and then they're on your team?
Speaker 2: Like or yeah, I mean ship just people said hate
Speaker 2: a Lebron Yeah, but like he places to being a fan.
Speaker 2: Now he's an NFL player, Yeah for sure. So it's
Speaker 2: like Ron Rush has.
Speaker 4: Been in the league a long time. You kind of
Speaker 4: got to just laugh at that. All right.
Speaker 1: I need you to lock in.
Speaker 4: That's on energy.
Speaker 1: All right, you're ready. You gotta be ready locked in?
Speaker 1: I had one, but are you locked in?
Speaker 4: I'm stay locked in.
Speaker 1: Okay, then do yours because mine's gonna be a long one.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: It's rhevery good, bro, this is a week I gonna be.
Speaker 4: Fuck you made me forget. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: I had a good one anyways. Let's just go all right,
Speaker 1: So this is random. It's not random. Twenty four to
Speaker 1: seven Sports, No, I'm sorry. The letech ranked the sixty
Speaker 1: two far star quarterbacks of this century, one through sixty two.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you some of the rankings and you're
Speaker 1: gonna tell me if it's fair, wor it's fair, and
Speaker 1: then you want to librate you can if you wish
Speaker 1: for me to librate, I will. But outside of that,
Speaker 1: fair faid, are you ready? All right, well you don't
Speaker 1: have a mic. You're eating fat boy. They're just yeah,
Speaker 1: fix the chord, Fix the cord.
Speaker 4: You could have hurt. You heard me, put the hond down.
Speaker 1: I literally told you you lock in and pick you
Speaker 1: locked in?
Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, loud as hell off mic.
Speaker 1: So you heard me the first time because my voice.
Speaker 1: Are you ready number one? I'm waiting on you. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not even to give you number one. First. Let's
Speaker 1: let's go for the bout. Let's go from the bottom,
Speaker 1: say Drake, I wait, this ship might have a paywall.
Speaker 2: Wow, all this suspense, this is mens. This is a
Speaker 2: fade right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this website is a fade. I don't know what
Speaker 1: just happened.
Speaker 4: I got one.
Speaker 1: Look at this ship.
Speaker 4: I got one in the meantime.
Speaker 2: So what Your phone just caught the virus. Your phone
Speaker 2: just got limewires.
Speaker 4: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: Your phone got journalists made that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 2: All right, you have to you have to blacklist that
Speaker 2: phone now anyway, So Derek Carr, alright, go go go,
Speaker 2: Derek Carr said, he gave back the thirty million dollars
Speaker 2: retired because he would have felt like he was stealing money.
Speaker 1: Be a fair, fairfan. I mean, that's up to him.
Speaker 1: It's his money to give up, So I can't say it's.
Speaker 2: One couldn't say he was stealing money the whole time
Speaker 2: he was with the Saints, based on the expectations and
Speaker 2: the massive deal he signed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, killing him san chances were happy.
Speaker 1: Not his fault though he showed up.
Speaker 2: Chris's brother was like, hey man, get this quarterback away
Speaker 2: from my fucking brother. Michael Thomas came out and shipped
Speaker 2: on David Carr. So I have to ask this question,
Speaker 2: is it a fit? Is it fair or a faith
Speaker 2: for him to say that maybe you should have retired
Speaker 2: a year earlier. You put Chris Olave's career in jeopardy.
Speaker 2: He has like three concussions one season, you gave him
Speaker 2: hospital balls, a first round receiver at Ohio State with
Speaker 2: concussion problems.
Speaker 4: So so his brother came out and spoke on it.
Speaker 4: I think it's a fade. Bro. The way you played
Speaker 4: like trash last couple of years.
Speaker 2: You probably shouldn't be thrown around like if you retire,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be entied on to that money.
Speaker 1: So you're saying it's a fade that he gave.
Speaker 2: Money, he's a fact. No, it's a faith that he
Speaker 2: even said that. Like you could have just been like,
Speaker 2: you know, my body disagreed with me, and it'd be
Speaker 2: wrong to try to play through it.
Speaker 1: All right, bro, Well I'm on one percent, So can
Speaker 1: we get to my signment on you?
Speaker 4: Wait on you for twenty minutes?
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Number twenty sobby lock In, Damn, you're
Speaker 1: worse than the kid, all right, Number twenty. Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, This is what I'm talking about, lock In.
Speaker 1: I thought fair fave. Matthew Stafford, number twenty five, Star
Speaker 1: of the Century. The court is fine.
Speaker 2: I could hear you, okay, because I cant that shit
Speaker 2: went out on me. Honestly, I thought you were gonna.
Speaker 4: Read me all of them.
Speaker 1: No, listen, Matthew Stafford number twenty.
Speaker 4: That's kind of fair for quarterbacks. Yeah no, yeah, for
Speaker 4: was underwhelming.
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor number eighteen.
Speaker 2: That's respectful. That's quietly disrespectful. He did more for Virginia
Speaker 2: Tech than Andrew Luckton for Stanford. Chad Henny number seventeen,
Speaker 2: that he's should be lower. This is just for college.
Speaker 1: By the way, he should be way lower than Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford Braxton Miller number sixteen.
Speaker 4: That's not high enough in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Taj Boyd number fifteen.
Speaker 2: That's perfect for Taj Boyd. He helped, he helped create
Speaker 2: the Clemson dynasty. Torell Prior fourteen, he should be higher
Speaker 2: and they should let him back on campus at Ohio
Speaker 2: State's disrespectful.
Speaker 1: Fair fade, fair fade, keep it fair. So you think
Speaker 1: that's fair. Toreel Prior at fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yes, The only one I think is a fade is
Speaker 2: Chad Hitty being that high?
Speaker 1: All right? Chris Leek thirteen. Oh no, no, Chris Leak
Speaker 1: number thirteen. You're fine. You're gonna knock down the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Chris Leek.
Speaker 1: He almost just knocked down the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Sorry. Chris Leek at thirteen. Yes, I mean, honestly, as
Speaker 2: long as t Bow is not rated higher.
Speaker 4: Than him, I'm so I'm going to be angry.
Speaker 1: You're going to be angry, so JJ McCarthy number twelve.
Speaker 1: That's a fa I stopped they fade. Oh Nicks number eleven.
Speaker 4: That's even high, Bro, he didn't even win ship. Now, mad,
Speaker 4: why would you tell me?
Speaker 1: Bro Wild Williams number ten, that's fair, justin if they
Speaker 1: had a fucking Defensember nine, Bro, I will never forget
Speaker 1: where I was at that at that game, justin fields
Speaker 1: number nine, that's fair, Bryce Young number eight.
Speaker 4: He carried Alabama too. He carried Alabama.
Speaker 1: Who carried number seven?
Speaker 2: That's that's a fade, knowing what we know now, that's
Speaker 2: a fake bro Kyler Murray number six.
Speaker 4: Honestly, he carried out Oklahoma team too.
Speaker 1: That's that's fair. Name name never Laurence number five.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the way he beat that ship out of Alabama,
Speaker 2: that's that's justified.
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston number four for.
Speaker 2: Only freshman and only pure freshman to win. Yeah, kick
Speaker 2: top five number three honestly, Yeah, t Bow better not
Speaker 2: be higher than Cam Newton number two. Number two. Guess
Speaker 2: guess bat Vince Young.
Speaker 4: You're telling me Tim Tebow was about Vince. That's a
Speaker 4: racist list. That's nobody in the right, fucking bro.
Speaker 2: Cam even told Cam proved he was a better player
Speaker 2: than than fucking t Bow.
Speaker 4: He literally went to the Panthers and led them to
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. What are we talking, Bro?
Speaker 2: Tim Tebow's Southern fucking Baptist Dick Eaters, bron.
Speaker 1: Boys, talk to your boys at that Bro.
Speaker 4: T Bow was not that nice.
Speaker 1: He wasn't even that nice.
Speaker 4: Touchdowns from Jeff Dimps. Let's name all Chris Rainy, fucking
Speaker 4: e Manual Moody.
Speaker 2: How many running backs, nice ass running backs to Florida
Speaker 2: have he stole all their fucking touches. Dan Mullen literally
Speaker 2: just said, you're our running back playing quarterback, You're our
Speaker 2: Reggie Ball.
Speaker 4: But that's a ship list.
Speaker 1: I mean you liked like eighty percent of the list.
Speaker 2: It's a ship list. That's a ship list.
Speaker 4: Cam went to a juke.
Speaker 1: You see why I did it backwards because if I
Speaker 1: would have did it first, you would have just disregarded it.
Speaker 1: You're a fucker. I just want you to know that.
Speaker 1: So that's what I But you liked like eighty percent
Speaker 1: of it. There was just like.
Speaker 4: Tibo five Pishi Tebow, Where's Lamar? Where the fuck is Lamar? Oh?
Speaker 1: He wasn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, DeShawn was no. I think that Sean would have
Speaker 2: been a four well stars, five stars go. Taj Boyd
Speaker 2: was toaj Boyd on those four the teams would have
Speaker 2: been better.
Speaker 4: Fun out of here.
Speaker 1: Alright, like we really got it.
Speaker 4: Like there's a reason why they were tired his number,
Speaker 4: and I'm retired.
Speaker 1: Anything else.
Speaker 4: Percy Harvin was a better running back than t Bow was.
Speaker 1: All right, goes off the show. Unnecessary toughness.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe forget my point, forget what I was gonna Oh,
Speaker 2: I got it. No, this is the last one. Let me,
Speaker 2: let me, let me knock this out. Dereck Henery said
Speaker 2: he could be Lamar Jackson a foot race. I disagree
Speaker 2: with that. That's the fae.
Speaker 1: I think Lamar Jackson is one of the fastest players
Speaker 1: in the league, and Dereck Henry ran a four or
Speaker 1: five four.
Speaker 4: He bet a four or five four.
Speaker 2: Lamar literally only has run full speed like three times.
Speaker 1: Lamar m made a violent cut up field. Lamar might
Speaker 1: let him win. Lamar is the type of dude who
Speaker 1: can only un want his strew speed in Florida heat,
Speaker 1: probably barefoot, and then he'll run like a four to one.
Speaker 2: Bro. You're like, what the fuck just happened? He did
Speaker 2: lose the way he did. Put on twenty pounds and
Speaker 2: he lost it. I'm never gonna be that heavy again.
Speaker 2: So now we got Lamar, who knows he's just more
Speaker 2: athletic than you. He's quicker and faster.
Speaker 4: Than you, like, Bro.
Speaker 2: It's like people don't realize all these quarterbacks are fast now,
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow fast.
Speaker 1: Like table steaks. You have to be athletic. You can't
Speaker 1: just be a statue out there. Even the statues can
Speaker 1: move now for four sevens four eighths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Baker Mayfield can run just fast enough to get away,
Speaker 2: but he's quicker than he is fast. Where was Baker at? No,
Speaker 2: Baker wasn't a fire star never mind? Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Timo gets all the credit for those national titles,
Speaker 2: those national titles, and it's such bullshit because Cam would
Speaker 2: have done the same thing. I don't know Chris League
Speaker 2: was a five star either, but he definitely was the
Speaker 2: recent they won that national championship because Temo couldn't pass
Speaker 2: worth shit.
Speaker 1: He was just the can we move on?
Speaker 4: Can we move I'm done? That was Rent.
Speaker 1: You're just ranting about how much you hate Tim Deebo's
Speaker 1: I think everybody gets credit for every one guy.
Speaker 2: I've never seen one guy get more credit for multiple
Speaker 2: national championships.
Speaker 1: Man, m VP Bro I'm gonna have to eat a
Speaker 1: lot of crow because I was rushing the fuck out
Speaker 1: of him.
Speaker 2: By like thirteen, right, they were losing by lot.
Speaker 1: Oh it's talking about Dort.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the dude who just scored for the Pacers.
Speaker 1: No, Dort's on the thunder. Oh to do with the locks? Mhm,
Speaker 1: crazy work? All right, go ahead, Ran Kenny, since you're
Speaker 1: already so high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's June. June teenth is this month. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I really got to put together all the lists, the
Speaker 2: list of all the black restaurants that I've eaten that
Speaker 2: black on restaurants. I've eaten that in Inglewood and Hawthora
Speaker 2: and in the South Bay in general. It's a pretty
Speaker 2: well put together list. Like if I everybone has become
Speaker 2: a food influencer, you would just have to believe me.
Speaker 4: You just have to.
Speaker 2: So I might do that. I might just pivot it
Speaker 2: into being a food influencer.
Speaker 1: Fuck it?
Speaker 4: Why not? You would you? Would you be down to
Speaker 4: go test out food?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But I wouldn't trust your reviews because I know you.
Speaker 4: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: You see the bright side and all food?
Speaker 4: I see the bright side and all things.
Speaker 1: Maybe? All right, you got anything? Because h and that
Speaker 1: might have been in your weakest rant of all time
Speaker 1: in nine years. But yeah, shout us to us for
Speaker 1: going for nine years. Uh. Anyways, moving on, Uh me man,
Speaker 1: this coaching thing's been wrapping up and we're now going
Speaker 1: two days a week out there, working hard, grinding, pushing
Speaker 1: these kids. It's great to see how fast they grow.
Speaker 1: They really do. Like they pick it up so much
Speaker 1: faster than even high schoolers because they don't have the
Speaker 1: bad habits yet. But yeah, man excited. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it's gonna happen to me this season, or this
Speaker 1: year or this time, but just trying to take a
Speaker 1: day by day. Touchdowns, the Tangents, TD's underscore, Tangents on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, touchdowns and tangents dot Com. We're out peace.
Speaker 1: Some piece of that Vikings Dan who died and the
Speaker 1: Packers lineman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a receiver died too. They're walking their
Speaker 2: eighties and seventies.
Speaker 1: Peace